Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast wants to throw the ball
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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Jansas
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Speaker 1: for now, we have to talk about football in Week
Speaker 1: six and uh a week that will be remembered and
Speaker 1: defined by what we lost with the Packers. Lost with
Speaker 1: the NFL, lost with their fans. Lost Aaron Rodgers injury,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to that in just a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes. But Greg, other than the Rogers injury, this
Speaker 1: was a fun week on h on a slate of
Speaker 1: games that wasn't so so hot, let's face it, but
Speaker 1: the games were pretty hot. Now. The matchups on paper
Speaker 1: looked like the worst Sunday of the of the season,
Speaker 1: and yet there was a lot of wild things going on.
Speaker 1: To seventeen nothing comebacks, the Saints Lions game which had
Speaker 1: almost a forty five to ten come back and overtime
Speaker 1: game and check, there was just a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and yeah, we're gonna just about to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But Aaron Rodgers and a span of seven days Mark
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers J. J. Watt, Odell Beckham all wiped away
Speaker 1: Rogers probably for the rest of the season, though we
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. I don't know how many more
Speaker 1: big names we can afford to lose. I mean, it
Speaker 1: changes the scenery of the season completely. Hey, we lost
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and we survived. Now these teams have to
Speaker 1: figure out why to survive them. Well, he's back, He's
Speaker 1: been in the mix. He's gonna be honest, is gone.
Speaker 1: But we did lose him for a large port. We
Speaker 1: had to play hurt. We had to play her like
Speaker 1: the Packers are gonna play her. But the good news
Speaker 1: for us is that West is going to be back
Speaker 1: in this studio. And the use of the word word
Speaker 1: could be out for the season from Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: the Packers releasing that during the game felt like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's probably out for the season. Like you said, they're
Speaker 1: setting expectations with their fan base. Yeah, they're letting them know.
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be a seven week situation. It's on
Speaker 1: his throwing shoulder. It's different than the last time he
Speaker 1: got hurt. Once upon a time, Aaron Rodgers said, h relax,
Speaker 1: do not relax, Packers fan freak out. Let's get it
Speaker 1: going and uh talk a little bit about the game
Speaker 1: in which Aaron Rodgers play aid perhaps his last snapped
Speaker 1: to Rogers steps up, scrambles right, buying time, dumps it
Speaker 1: up and benetrock set in completely was wide open just
Speaker 1: outside the fifty yard line number on the right side.
Speaker 1: Another drop for Mark Slow to get off the land
Speaker 1: and he's down. Rogers down on his back back here
Speaker 1: the thirty yard line. Now they've got him sitting up.
Speaker 1: I'm out on the rail court entered player looked like
Speaker 1: it was Anthony Barr hitting them. Aaron Rodgers just now
Speaker 1: getting up. Wayne Larvey and Larry mccaron of w t
Speaker 1: MJ with the call. The Packers are gonna make another
Speaker 1: Super Bowl run this season, will have to do it
Speaker 1: without Aaron Rodgers. The star quarterback, suffered a broken collar
Speaker 1: bone in the first half of Green Base ten loss
Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings. The Packers announced the injury and
Speaker 1: added ominously that Rogers could be out the remainder of
Speaker 1: the season, which makes it a different field than the
Speaker 1: first time Rogers broke his collar bone back during the season. Now,
Speaker 1: joining us on the phone today is the mailman, Chris
Speaker 1: Westling Uh, just speaking about the Great West. Um, buddy,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Okay? Alright? Good? So this was
Speaker 1: devastating news for Rodgers and the pack and let's face
Speaker 1: a bet news from football fans too. I think if
Speaker 1: you I was thinking about this, you could look back
Speaker 1: and say, in the twenty one century, this is the
Speaker 1: most ruinous injury we've seen, considering what the expectations were
Speaker 1: how Rogers was playing. This is the most confident I've
Speaker 1: ever heard Mike McCarthy about his offense in all the
Speaker 1: years he's been in Green Bay. And they go from being,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the Super Bowl favorites and NFC to
Speaker 1: a team now that we'll be lucky to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I think the vikings have to be seen. Is the
Speaker 1: clear favorites even if case Keenum is their starter for
Speaker 1: a while. It is crazy. It's it's very reminiscent of
Speaker 1: the Patriots losing Tom Brady coming off of a sixteen
Speaker 1: and the season that that season was just starting. And
Speaker 1: you're right, getting to watch Rogers these last coup for
Speaker 1: weeks and getting that feel and I think we all
Speaker 1: had it that he was about to have a special season.
Speaker 1: Somehow makes it more painful. And then you watch this
Speaker 1: game closely, West, I don't feel like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of hope that this team can have a fun, magical
Speaker 1: run without him, which they have done in the past.
Speaker 1: They've won some games without Aaron Rodgers before. Well, let's uh,
Speaker 1: and this is just to jump in it for a
Speaker 1: second here, the fun magical run that probably isn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's because of just nine words that will live in
Speaker 1: infamy for Packers fans. This from Mike McCarthy after the game.
Speaker 1: As far as a quarterback position, Bret Henley is my quarterback.
Speaker 1: Joe Cowahan's a backup. That's the direction we're going, that
Speaker 1: is the focus, and um, that's where we are. That
Speaker 1: was more than nine words, but you get the point.
Speaker 1: Wes Uh do you see any chance of magic? I do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to react to today when both starting
Speaker 1: tackles and Lane Taylor, their guard who has play a
Speaker 1: lot of tackle because of injuries. All three of those
Speaker 1: guys were out for the second half. So what we
Speaker 1: saw of Brett Hunley today, I think you can take
Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt, and I don't blame
Speaker 1: the Packers for looking in house. Brett Hunley is a
Speaker 1: guy who's been in the office offense for three years.
Speaker 1: He drew trade interest at that during the draft for
Speaker 1: good reason. I think he's one of the high upside
Speaker 1: backups in the NFL. So I do. I do think
Speaker 1: there's a chance that he can keep the team afloat,
Speaker 1: but they're obviously gonna have to get more out of
Speaker 1: the running game and hope that those offensive line injuries, Uh,
Speaker 1: they have a buy in two weeks, so maybe by
Speaker 1: week nine they're back to full strength. And I don't
Speaker 1: understand the alarm that they would go with Hunley. You've
Speaker 1: spent years developing them. Why they why? Why? Yeah? Why
Speaker 1: would you have come to the point in any season
Speaker 1: where he would be your backup if you weren't comfortable
Speaker 1: with him stepping into this situation? This this concept that
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to get Tony Romo or pull some
Speaker 1: veteran off the couch. No, go with Hunley. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna put Tony Romo behind an offensive line missing three starters. No,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. I agree with you totally.
Speaker 1: This is exactly why you have you draft and develop
Speaker 1: a Hunley for exactly the situation. Ye, any Romo talk
Speaker 1: is nonsense. It's like, hey, Tony, can you come out
Speaker 1: of retirement even though you're getting rave reviews in your
Speaker 1: new job. Try to save the Packers and then there's
Speaker 1: a chance Rodgers comes back, and then you get to
Speaker 1: watch the playoffs from the sideline for the second straight year.
Speaker 1: Come right. I don't think the Packers would be interested
Speaker 1: in it either. I mean, this is Tounley's third year,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of a perfect scenario in terms of
Speaker 1: having him ready. He played a lot in this preseason.
Speaker 1: I think he was a little up and down. He
Speaker 1: certainly showed a lot in his rookie preseason. But you're
Speaker 1: right West that the rest of the team needs to
Speaker 1: step up, and I don't know if they felt like
Speaker 1: they did that today, But this is a This was
Speaker 1: a tough spot being on the road against such a
Speaker 1: good defense. I mean, they were lucky from just looking
Speaker 1: at the box score to get the ten points they had.
Speaker 1: All ten points are off turnovers on on short fields.
Speaker 1: I wonder how good the rest of the team is.
Speaker 1: I when I watched Rogers the first five weeks, he
Speaker 1: covered up for mistakes and injuries more than any quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league. They don't have fast wide receivers. They
Speaker 1: don't have really a speed element on their offense outside
Speaker 1: of Aaron Jones. What's that you're not buying? He's lost
Speaker 1: the steff and I think he has a great rapport
Speaker 1: with Rogers, but he's not fast. What about before we
Speaker 1: move on West, on the Viking side in the game itself,
Speaker 1: any other takeaways that you had. Well. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I was writing about Aaron Rodgers for a lot of this,
Speaker 1: but also a lot of Keith Keenum was more game
Speaker 1: manager this week than he's been, as Greg knows he's been.
Speaker 1: He's been quite a good playmaker, but definitely a game
Speaker 1: manager mode. There was a really nice screen pass that
Speaker 1: Jerick McKinnon went for a touchdown. Um and Adam Pheland
Speaker 1: had a good game, but it was mostly about this defense.
Speaker 1: Guys like Everson Griffin and Harrison Smith are having all
Speaker 1: Pro year. Harrison Smith was phenomenal with a sack and
Speaker 1: a half and one of the most spectacular diving interceptions
Speaker 1: you'll see. I mean, they had thirteen quarterback hits today
Speaker 1: and at one point in the game late they're down
Speaker 1: thirteen points three twenty to go nineties six yards to
Speaker 1: get a touchdown, and Mike McCarthy calls two straight runs
Speaker 1: to the call start that drive, And that to me
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, Packers fans, here's life without Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: were running the ball down thirteen with three to play.
Speaker 1: But I think the reason he did it is because
Speaker 1: his quarterback was getting absolutely killed because pressured from wall
Speaker 1: to wall. Uh and one and West one one last
Speaker 1: note to you, and I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: bearer of bad news, but hardly can get on West.
Speaker 1: You know, Aaron Rodgers breaking his collar bone. But there
Speaker 1: was West's lock of the week, the results, the results. Sorry, Wes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I think I'm gonna put an
Speaker 1: asterisk next to that one, but I mean because I
Speaker 1: did that with the Patriots victory today, So you could
Speaker 1: do that, Football World to not be able to watch,
Speaker 1: and Rogers didn't need to miss a lot. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: fair perspective. It's true. Alright, West, we're gonna keep going. Uh,
Speaker 1: why don't you go back to whatever you're doing, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure is sexy? All right later West, All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Roethlisberger from the gun, takes the snap,
Speaker 1: books left, Rose left at it's deflicted. Hey touts Brown's
Speaker 1: got it along the sidelines, HiT's on the ten five
Speaker 1: touchdown stillers fifty one yards. How about that? That's impossible, impossible,
Speaker 1: but possible because it happens, So it wasn't impossible. That's correct.
Speaker 1: Bill Hargrove and uh touch Ilkin with w d V
Speaker 1: with the call Antonio Brown stole away a sure interception
Speaker 1: and turned it into a touchdown, and levy on Bell
Speaker 1: ran for a hundred and seventy nine yards and a
Speaker 1: touchdown to lead the Pittsburgh Steelers to a nineteen thirteen
Speaker 1: win over the Chiefs, who have now liked the rest
Speaker 1: of the NFL, tasted bitter defeat. This was a hugely
Speaker 1: important road win for the Steelers, Mark Sessler, and one
Speaker 1: that has the potential to finally get their season into gear.
Speaker 1: Which wasn't even a bad condition to start with. There
Speaker 1: now foreign too, but now you wonder if they could
Speaker 1: really catapult themselves off this win. It wasn't in terrible condition,
Speaker 1: but it was a team that it's unusual for this
Speaker 1: to be. The way Pittsburgh scene was. I think for
Speaker 1: you two, sort of a drama magnet where you've got
Speaker 1: the quarterback saying stuff that's generating headlines, bickering with his
Speaker 1: wide receiver, seemed like on a week to week basis,
Speaker 1: Big Ben's calling someone else out. There were all sorts
Speaker 1: of things going on. And now after today you can
Speaker 1: put all that in the rear view mirror because you've
Speaker 1: taken out what was seen as the best team in
Speaker 1: the A f C and the Steelers are back in
Speaker 1: the conversation to do whatever we thought they would have
Speaker 1: done before the year well, and they did it in
Speaker 1: the exact same way they did it in January last year.
Speaker 1: So as big as a win as this is for
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and it is, they're now back in first
Speaker 1: place all by themselves for the a f C North,
Speaker 1: I think it's a bigger loss for the Chiefs. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they're in fine shape, but they just got
Speaker 1: man handled at home by the exact same team that
Speaker 1: man handled them at home in the playoffs last year.
Speaker 1: And I know that game was close, but if you
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, these two games were striking lee
Speaker 1: similar where the Steelers out gained the Chiefs by about
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty yards, where they had the ball
Speaker 1: for thirty five thirty six minutes, held it the whole time.
Speaker 1: You have James Harrison getting the key defensive play of
Speaker 1: the game late with the sack against Eric Fisher. It's
Speaker 1: all the same stuff. It was domination. Yeah, and everything
Speaker 1: that we've been hearing for five weeks so far this
Speaker 1: season would make you think that this game wouldn't play
Speaker 1: out in a similar way and yet it did. So
Speaker 1: you have to wonder what the Chiefs are thinking inside
Speaker 1: their locker room after this game and as they drive home.
Speaker 1: And um, that's the thing. Though, the Steelers badly, badly
Speaker 1: outplayed the Chiefs. Uh For I would say of this
Speaker 1: game to the point where the Chiefs I think at
Speaker 1: twenty five yards of offense total with about three and
Speaker 1: a half minutes to play in the third quarter, and
Speaker 1: the Steelers were missing opportunities, uh to put put some
Speaker 1: distance between them, and it almost came back to haunt them.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs had the ball around midfield with a chance
Speaker 1: to steal the game with one point victory, and they
Speaker 1: could not close it out. James Harrison with a huge sack,
Speaker 1: A guy that hasn't even been active lately comes up
Speaker 1: with the massive sack there. I thought it was a really,
Speaker 1: really important win for the Steelers and one that the
Speaker 1: Chiefs probably now a little humbling for them. Yeah, think
Speaker 1: how huge this is because let's say they get locked
Speaker 1: with the same record in a pretty lousy a f
Speaker 1: C where there isn't a dominant team. Huge win for
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh on that front and the a f C North.
Speaker 1: We'll get to some of these teams later is a
Speaker 1: bad division right now, right, it's a bad division that
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh suddenly looks completely different than the other two teams,
Speaker 1: if not all three. Well, you get a vintage Levan
Speaker 1: Bell game, hundred and seventy nine yards, thirty two attempts.
Speaker 1: This that's the third game, by the way, this season
Speaker 1: that Bell has gone over thirty touches. So I think
Speaker 1: they need to be a little concerned about that. That's
Speaker 1: a lot to ask out of him. And you also
Speaker 1: got a little more confidence in Ben Roethlisberger by the
Speaker 1: end of the game. Uh. This is a postgame quote
Speaker 1: and I want you guys to interpret this for me.
Speaker 1: He said this, He said this, Okay, cowboy got a
Speaker 1: little something left in him. Well, I do think that
Speaker 1: Big Ben likes attention, and it's it's sort of just
Speaker 1: every week it's something like this with him. Well, I
Speaker 1: have a little bit of an issue with with Robin
Speaker 1: and the Steelers. He's definitely not a cowboy. First of all,
Speaker 1: he's a guy from Ohio. Um this idea that it's
Speaker 1: like they like to get on a high horse and
Speaker 1: say things like, hey, you media guys, you take the
Speaker 1: ball and you run with it. And then we have
Speaker 1: to deal with the wreckage and all this. Like I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: but like this general idea. And then wait, so that's
Speaker 1: not a direct quote, not a direct quote, but more
Speaker 1: like the spirit of what they try to say, both
Speaker 1: Tomlin and Roethlisberger and whoever else. And then he says
Speaker 1: things like that, it's like, all right, so we're just
Speaker 1: you're supposed to say that stuff, and then we're just
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, okay, move on. I mean, of
Speaker 1: course we've got to try to interpret it what it means.
Speaker 1: I guess it means he thinks he's still like a
Speaker 1: John Wayne figure in the NFL. But my one thing
Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh is, don't try to convince me that they're
Speaker 1: impervious to, even seven days from now, a total letdown.
Speaker 1: They still have that in their DNA. But one thing
Speaker 1: that I love about this team this year that is
Speaker 1: different than last year. It is a better defense. We
Speaker 1: talked all offseason about how they have more playmakers on
Speaker 1: this defense, and I think that showed up Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: nine carries for twenty one yards. I mean, they are
Speaker 1: the first team to shut down Kareem Hunt. Uh. They
Speaker 1: the Chiefs really didn't get it going passing. By the way,
Speaker 1: they have a Thursday night game this week and Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill An Sarchandric West we're both concussed in this game,
Speaker 1: so that's a quick turnaround and they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: try to get a division win against the Raiders. I
Speaker 1: re killed, didn't it seem like he knew where he
Speaker 1: was on the sideline after his kick return? And I
Speaker 1: and I just my final thought about the game is just,
Speaker 1: you know, sports are funny like that, because the Steelers
Speaker 1: were the better team in this game, and yet they
Speaker 1: needed luck to win, because this game is twelve ten
Speaker 1: uh midway through the fourth quarter, and I remember thinking
Speaker 1: myself because the Chiefs had finally scored a touchdown and
Speaker 1: they had actually bypassed the field goal earlier and went
Speaker 1: for it on fourth, fourth and two from the four
Speaker 1: and not gotten it, so they still got within two.
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, this is a big cut, gut
Speaker 1: check moment for the Steelers. And then Big Ben's sales
Speaker 1: went to the sideline that should have been picked, went
Speaker 1: through the defender's hands, and then went for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Because s Antonio Brown's a special player, so the Steelers
Speaker 1: got a little lucky despite also being the better team.
Speaker 1: Sports are funny. That's my point. Sports could be cruel,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, they can be funny. A very solid point. Sports, um,
Speaker 1: and that's why you would like them. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Oh before we move on, I think I think I
Speaker 1: locked that one up. How about that? I know you
Speaker 1: just want to like, move on, Dan, It was like,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good look. That was a good lock up.
Speaker 1: Was on the road against the five and o team.
Speaker 1: That was a pivotal and a noticeable lock up by you.
Speaker 1: You couldn't have asked for anyone to do a better job.
Speaker 1: Patriotize me. Let's move on. Ryan from them fires downfield
Speaker 1: for seven. We're shocked, all right? This guy the first
Speaker 1: interception of the year for the Lives defense and it
Speaker 1: couldn't have come in a better time. That ball was
Speaker 1: right on target the receiver. How did this bread basket?
Speaker 1: And then Landry took it away? Wow, I think we
Speaker 1: read basket. We gotta put that one on the list.
Speaker 1: Let's mark that one off. Lindsay Jimmy, uh jeez, I
Speaker 1: wish I knew how to pronounce his last names. It's
Speaker 1: really unprofessional. Cephalo. Okay, Jimmy Cephalo and Bob Greasy with
Speaker 1: it called w q a M. On the day that
Speaker 1: the seventy two Dolphins, Uh, pop the corks on the
Speaker 1: champagne again. Get over it, guys. The Dolphins had a
Speaker 1: really big win where Shot Jones picked off Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: putting the finished finishing touches on a dramatic seventeen win
Speaker 1: over the Atlanta Falcons. Uh. This was a Dolphins team
Speaker 1: that found a way to win despite falling behind seventeen
Speaker 1: nothing at the half against the defending a NFC champions.
Speaker 1: Then Mark Sessler, I don't think I I said this
Speaker 1: during our Sky Sports hit and I'll say it again here.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us expected to see j
Speaker 1: Cutler and Gutty comeback in the same sentence this year,
Speaker 1: not at all. And we just talked about the Steelers
Speaker 1: as a team that has somehow escaped a month of drama.
Speaker 1: Talk about the Dolphins, you're three and two. They were
Speaker 1: talked about as a team that was, you know, the
Speaker 1: the ship was completely sinking, totally of messy franchise organization,
Speaker 1: things going the wrong way, and it looked that way
Speaker 1: again at the end of the first half. The down
Speaker 1: seventeen nothing, and right away it looked like the Falcons
Speaker 1: were going to come out and dominate even more than
Speaker 1: they did in terms of the score. Miami's defense, though,
Speaker 1: as much as Jay Cutler he he he kind of
Speaker 1: strung together what I would say probably his two best
Speaker 1: quarters in the second half of the season, which isn't
Speaker 1: sane much. But this Dolphins defense, when they also can
Speaker 1: run the ball of J J. I. E. That's the
Speaker 1: formula for them to get through the a f C
Speaker 1: with another winning record like last year, because the defense
Speaker 1: this time around is very legitimate. Kiko Alonso. You know,
Speaker 1: they lose bands Joseph who goes to Denver, but the
Speaker 1: defense has been better. Kiko Alonso is playing really well.
Speaker 1: Lawrence Timmins after he came back from his departure, has
Speaker 1: has kind of solidified that linebacker group where which was
Speaker 1: really a big time weakness last year. But to come
Speaker 1: back from seventeen nothing in Atlanta, to me is the
Speaker 1: most surprising results of the NFL season. Before this, it
Speaker 1: was the Redskins totally shutting down Oakland for me, But
Speaker 1: now in hindsight, that wasn't that crazy. Everyone shows shuts
Speaker 1: down Oakland after watching a month of Jake Cutler, and
Speaker 1: what we mentioned on Thursday was the number one offense
Speaker 1: in terms of yards per drive. For them to blow
Speaker 1: a seventeen nothing lead at home. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: want to bring up the Super Bowl or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but that is about as bad as at home loss
Speaker 1: as you're gonna have, and especially when there were no
Speaker 1: hints in the first half that this was coming. And
Speaker 1: by the way, not a lot happened on offense for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. They they'd strung enough together to make this thing,
Speaker 1: you know, to get the win in the end. But
Speaker 1: there was one key moment I thought, you will get
Speaker 1: these kind of comebacks and what's like the colonel. And
Speaker 1: there was a play where Cutler in the third quarter
Speaker 1: through an interception and I think would have absolutely provided
Speaker 1: an onslaw. Atlanta could have just stored from there, but
Speaker 1: Grady Jarrett, the Falcons defender, had a roughing the passer
Speaker 1: penalty that reversed the interception. The Dolphins went on to
Speaker 1: score and pull within, you know, to pull much closer.
Speaker 1: That changed everything from there was that your comeback? Colonel? Uh?
Speaker 1: That was my Colonel of the week by Orville. I'm
Speaker 1: still work shopping the name for that segment. Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like comeback Colonel is pretty good. Um, you say, Greg,
Speaker 1: that that the what was the game the Raiders loss
Speaker 1: was at the time, At the time, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the most like that day, I was shocked by what
Speaker 1: what about Patriots Chiefs? No, alright, at least the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are a reality, my point being. My point being is
Speaker 1: that the Falcons have been on my radar a little
Speaker 1: bit this season. Um, of course, they started three and oh,
Speaker 1: and everybody thought, oh, they're they're just gonna keep cruising.
Speaker 1: But if you really examine these games that they played in,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go crazy, but they couldn't be
Speaker 1: They could be one and four with a little less luck.
Speaker 1: And now you could say that about any team and
Speaker 1: all that, but really, in their case, if you examine
Speaker 1: the end of a couple of those wins in September,
Speaker 1: you could easily make that case. They don't have that
Speaker 1: they might be able, they might be moving the ball.
Speaker 1: Market maybe you could tell me if they were moving
Speaker 1: the ball. Well, I know it doesn't seem like they
Speaker 1: were in the second half, but they're not scoring as
Speaker 1: many points. Matt Ryan is not nearly as productive when
Speaker 1: you look at his numbers this year. So this is
Speaker 1: not the same Falcons team as last year. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how much of that goes on the offense
Speaker 1: coordinator change or what, but there's some problems in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I think it just was a lot to expect them
Speaker 1: to duplicate what happened during a very special season last year.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of two years ago,
Speaker 1: the first year under col Shanahan, where Matt Ryan got
Speaker 1: caught into too many turnovers, and that happened again today
Speaker 1: and over their final five drives they produced zero points. Alright,
Speaker 1: So and then the Palkins and Patriots next week. So
Speaker 1: we'll see how they recover after what had to be
Speaker 1: a stunning loss for this team. Let's move on. Shotgun staff,
Speaker 1: a twisted off front and actually Russia for the Jets
Speaker 1: to throw down the middle by Ronkowski fifteen climbed down
Speaker 1: at the touch high stuffing to a touchdown Patriots and
Speaker 1: the big boy cuts it, steps through it takes it
Speaker 1: in Bob Soci and Scott Zolak. There is w b
Speaker 1: Z with the call. Rob Gronkowski scored two touchdowns and
Speaker 1: the Patriots wiped out an early two touchdown deficit in
Speaker 1: win over the Jets at the meadow Lands. Uh. This
Speaker 1: was some classic throwne of these stuff right here. The
Speaker 1: Patriots got some help from the NFL's arcane rule book
Speaker 1: in the form of a Austin Safarian Jakets touchdown that
Speaker 1: was overturned into a touch back midway through the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a talking point. Um. If I wasn't,
Speaker 1: if I didn't have this Jet season and some perspective,
Speaker 1: I would have lost my in the newsroom today, like
Speaker 1: potentially get fired lost. There's no way to look at
Speaker 1: that replay and not be completely baffled as I was emotional.
Speaker 1: If if I if I thought the Jets had playoff
Speaker 1: aspirations or a play or a real team, I would
Speaker 1: have been furious about this. Um. We have the call
Speaker 1: from the Jets radio network of the announcement. I'm sure
Speaker 1: the officials will listen. They are taking a look on
Speaker 1: the replay just to make sure that the Faerie and
Speaker 1: Jenkins did get in get lost the ball again. Therefore
Speaker 1: the bubble into the end song results in the town.
Speaker 1: The result of the review is the Jets just lost
Speaker 1: the football. They lost the touchdown and they lost the ball,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine their sideline might go ballistic. Unbelievable,
Speaker 1: I mean it was, it would have. It was a
Speaker 1: game where they were of fourteen. Nothing went down fourteen.
Speaker 1: This would have made with a about five or six
Speaker 1: minutes to play. And I gotta say something like, I
Speaker 1: understand that the the rule book, the officials, according to
Speaker 1: the rule book, interpreted this, I suppose correctly. I have
Speaker 1: a statement that you know they sent the referee. Tony
Speaker 1: Currente had this statement to the pool reporter after the game.
Speaker 1: I want I want to read this to you, and
Speaker 1: you guys could tell me if this is a acceptable explanation.
Speaker 1: The final shot that we saw from the end zone
Speaker 1: that showed New York Jets runner, will call him a runner.
Speaker 1: At that point, with the football starting to go toward
Speaker 1: the ground, he lost the ball. It came out of
Speaker 1: his control as he was almost to the ground. Now
Speaker 1: he re grasps the ball and by rule, now he
Speaker 1: has to complete the process of a recovery, which means
Speaker 1: he has to survive the ground again. So in recovering it,
Speaker 1: he recovered hit the knee started to roll and the
Speaker 1: ball came out a second time, so the ball started
Speaker 1: to move in his hands. This way, he's now out
Speaker 1: of bounds in the end zone, which now created a touchback.
Speaker 1: So he didn't survive the recovery, and he didn't survive
Speaker 1: the ground during the recovery. Is what happened here? Holy God,
Speaker 1: there was Now watch the play and tell me if
Speaker 1: what that one and fifty word explanation, if that actually
Speaker 1: made sense, because he never lost the ball, it was
Speaker 1: it juggled in his hand hand momentarily he he regained possession,
Speaker 1: got tackled through the end zone, hitting the pylon, and
Speaker 1: we get this explanation. And a river Ron's gonna be
Speaker 1: on NFL Total Access on Tuesday and there it's the
Speaker 1: first thing they're gonna ask him about, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: say that this was called properly, But what our river
Speaker 1: ron should be doing, al you should be saying, you
Speaker 1: know what, everybody, I understand that this is not being
Speaker 1: interpreted correctly by the rule book. My officials did the
Speaker 1: right job, but I understand that my officials will be
Speaker 1: put being put in a bad position by and overturning
Speaker 1: a huge play like that. I want to talk to
Speaker 1: the rules committee, and I want to get this straightened
Speaker 1: out because this is not in the best interest of
Speaker 1: the game or my official, my officials. I know he's
Speaker 1: not gonna say that because he's the official. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the one deciding all of this. Did the New
Speaker 1: York Office stands behind this call completely because they made
Speaker 1: the call right, that's because he did. They called it
Speaker 1: to the letter of the rule book. But the rule
Speaker 1: book is wrong, and that's why somebody has to have
Speaker 1: a conversation now. It was called a touchdown initially. I
Speaker 1: think the argument that makes the most sense to me
Speaker 1: is was that really indisputable evidence, which they've usually been
Speaker 1: sticking by this year, Like, is that indisputable evidence? There's
Speaker 1: a couple of things. There's that which I don't I
Speaker 1: don't quite understand, and then there's number two, which is
Speaker 1: I've said for a long time, the fumble the ball
Speaker 1: through the end zone that means that the other team
Speaker 1: gets a touch back rule makes no sense. It's one
Speaker 1: of the most illogical rules in sports, and it's hurt
Speaker 1: team's time. And again, you fumble anywhere else on the field,
Speaker 1: and the team that fumbles keeps the ball. So even
Speaker 1: if you said that that he fumbles. I never really
Speaker 1: understood why does the other team get the ball in
Speaker 1: not scenario? I feel like that can change. Let's push
Speaker 1: for that to change. We got the goal, we got
Speaker 1: the uprights raised, let's change. That's all good. But I
Speaker 1: want everyone else look at that play and tell me
Speaker 1: if that's a fumble and should be a turnover, You're
Speaker 1: not You're not alone. I think a lot of people agree.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's you come out where there's the story
Speaker 1: of the day is injuries, and it's a call like
Speaker 1: this that is too baffling to football fans to look
Speaker 1: at and say any sense was made of this play.
Speaker 1: You know who wasn't happy about this, Keith Hans. His
Speaker 1: name is Keith Dan. He'll doubt about it. He's a
Speaker 1: big Jest fan. Well does he go to say game
Speaker 1: to say? Well, does he go to game six? Figures
Speaker 1: that Jets would be playing the first place and playing
Speaker 1: the Patriots. And I'm telling you, after watching this game
Speaker 1: and getting jobbed on that play, on that touchdown reversal,
Speaker 1: it's just a damn shame that they, you know, came
Speaker 1: out of this for the loss. Uh. The Jets came
Speaker 1: out storming fourteen nothing, then give up twenty four where
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball it seemed to disappear
Speaker 1: and then they came back. But it's just a damn
Speaker 1: shame what happened at the end there on that reversal.
Speaker 1: So Jets played tough, but you know that it's just
Speaker 1: a ridiculous loss and that that play is going to
Speaker 1: be reviewed for a long time. On the Patriots side,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady won his seventh regular season game, now the
Speaker 1: all time leader amongst quarterbacks. I should point out um
Speaker 1: other things in this game. Todd Bowles was the first
Speaker 1: to say, one play does not, you know, decide the
Speaker 1: whole game. We didn't lose the game just because of
Speaker 1: one play that the Jets did get the ball back
Speaker 1: even with a chance to tie it late, and and
Speaker 1: they didn't get it done. They blew the fourteen nothing
Speaker 1: lean give up so many extra doesn't doesn't make any
Speaker 1: of the calls any better. I mean, the fact that
Speaker 1: the Patriots are giving up four hundred yards to the
Speaker 1: Jets should be extremely concerning for their defense as ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, so there are a lot of things to
Speaker 1: worry about if you're the Patriots, but the Jets also
Speaker 1: we're down in that spot, giving the ball back to
Speaker 1: the Patriots, up three with under five minutes to go.
Speaker 1: I would I would expect the Patriots to find a
Speaker 1: way to win in that scenario anyway, So would I.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of you already up against it
Speaker 1: when you're putting the Patriots, and when you feel like
Speaker 1: you get robbed that way, it hurts. Let's move on
Speaker 1: second and ten from the one yard line of the Lions,
Speaker 1: and since the Lions don't go on to center, Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford is again in the gun, calling her the football
Speaker 1: shants coming off the edge, the ball is popped up
Speaker 1: in the air that are centered by Cam Jordan for
Speaker 1: the touchdown. Weird, his first score in the NFL. Weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just weird. This is a weird,
Speaker 1: weird game. That's Domith Callistar along with Jim Henderson of
Speaker 1: w w L, the State's ray de On Network, mark
Speaker 1: Ingram and Alvin Kamara combined from two thirty seven yards
Speaker 1: from scrimmage and that Saints events five turnovers, they scored
Speaker 1: three times, including that Cam Jordan's pick six in the
Speaker 1: end zone. That was weird, and uh, the Saints finished
Speaker 1: a finished off a fifty two to thirty eight win
Speaker 1: over the Lions. Greg it was a very weird game.
Speaker 1: But let's let's not boil the ocean here. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what that means good corporate talk. Though the
Speaker 1: Saints have won three in a row. It's wild. I mean,
Speaker 1: everything is weird, everything is upside down. It's weird. The
Speaker 1: Saints are a run first team. That's weird. Deuce, I
Speaker 1: mean Douce. Douce remembers what it's like to be a
Speaker 1: run for Saints team. They ran about twenty times waiting
Speaker 1: for another weird day. Weird. Keep them coming, Lin, It's
Speaker 1: all weird. The Saints are were almost like a defense
Speaker 1: first team for this game. I mean, yes, you looked
Speaker 1: at the Lions scored thirty eight points, but the Lions
Speaker 1: scored two touchdowns of their own between their d defense
Speaker 1: and their special teams, including a punt return. So there
Speaker 1: was five defensive or special teams touchdowns in this game,
Speaker 1: eight turnovers. And then we even mentioned the score was
Speaker 1: forty five to ten midway through the third quarter. This
Speaker 1: is like, this isn't early in the game. This ten
Speaker 1: midway through the third quarter. Fast forward to Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: has the ball down only one score. That's when they
Speaker 1: got that final pick six which put the game away.
Speaker 1: But at that point Matthew Stafford had the ball with
Speaker 1: a chance to go tie it after being down, which
Speaker 1: would have been one of the greatest, weirdest comebacks ever
Speaker 1: because it wasn't even really their offense, it was their defense,
Speaker 1: it was their special teams. It was It was crazy
Speaker 1: and a defense that's had one defensive touchdowns since I
Speaker 1: know they've not been a good defense, but that's almost
Speaker 1: impossible for a team to produce one and then have
Speaker 1: three today. And the fact the fact that they got
Speaker 1: three touchdowns is ultimately flukey on some level. But they
Speaker 1: were up in Matthew Stafford's kitchen and playing great the
Speaker 1: whole game. He had eleven batted pass or twelve batted
Speaker 1: passes in this game, which Fox believes it was only
Speaker 1: two short of the NFL record. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that is a record, but they were just in his face,
Speaker 1: hitting him all game, and so the turnovers made some sense.
Speaker 1: That the Lions got the balls seventeen different times in
Speaker 1: this game to start a drive, that is a ton.
Speaker 1: They only had eighteen first downs, so they were basically
Speaker 1: shut down for most of this. Well, I know Stafford
Speaker 1: has been banged up, and they said I read somewhere
Speaker 1: that he took every single snap out of shotgun or
Speaker 1: the pistol. And this is not a mobile Matthew Stafford today.
Speaker 1: Did that contribute to the batted passes in the havoc? Yes? See,
Speaker 1: they were predictable with the short pass. I mean they
Speaker 1: he's banged up. They lose Golden Tate in the second half,
Speaker 1: they lose both their tackles at various points, They lost
Speaker 1: a couple of Glover Quinn, their safety. I mean they
Speaker 1: they had a rough game in the Saints. This was
Speaker 1: a game they kind of needed to take care of.
Speaker 1: And Cam Jordan's their defensive end who had two sacks
Speaker 1: in a monster game. East having the best season of
Speaker 1: what's been a really good career. He was the best
Speaker 1: player today. So the Saints are on track. Detroit now
Speaker 1: scuffling a little bit. Uh So we'll see how they
Speaker 1: bounced back. It was a weird game. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Hogan calls to the ball against the snap, has got
Speaker 1: some time, throws right side of it's picked off. Joan
Speaker 1: Joseph up the left side of the field, but fifties,
Speaker 1: the forty j Joe, the thirties. That's way ted five,
Speaker 1: pick six Johnathan Joseph. Deshaun Watson continues to make it
Speaker 1: look easy. The dynamic rookie through for two five yards
Speaker 1: and three touchdowns to leave the Houston Texans to an
Speaker 1: easy thirty three seventeen win over the still winless Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: Let's now welcome in Native Ohio, in Ohio, end Ohio,
Speaker 1: in Okay, uh and two thousand nineteen Mr Universe Nick
Speaker 1: Shook to talk about the game. Shook, it's only October
Speaker 1: fift and we've already come to expect star performances from
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. Yeah, and he put another one on Sunday.
Speaker 1: But you know, you kind of have to take this
Speaker 1: one with a grain of salt because you're playing the Browns,
Speaker 1: and for as well as their defense has played in
Speaker 1: spurts throughout the first six games, today was not one
Speaker 1: to write home about. Deshaun Watson did a lot of
Speaker 1: what he's done well in the last few games. He
Speaker 1: has as many touchdown passes in his time in Houston
Speaker 1: as Rock Osweiler did in his entire and he leads
Speaker 1: Watson leads the NFL and touchdown passes process that the
Speaker 1: guy didn't even start playing until week two. And he
Speaker 1: leads the NFL and touchdown Yeah. Yeah, And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: for the most part, he was just as excellent as
Speaker 1: he's been all season. There were a couple of drives
Speaker 1: with the Browns defense did actually step up and force
Speaker 1: him into some mistakes. He still showed some of the
Speaker 1: signs of being a rookie, you know, uh, escaping clean pockets,
Speaker 1: running himself into pressure, that kind of thing. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, Houston dominated this game. And there's you know,
Speaker 1: last week, I came in here and said rock bottom
Speaker 1: the Browns had met last week. This might just be
Speaker 1: an a state. It's new rock bottoms with every new week.
Speaker 1: And it's honestly, last year was tough to swallow for
Speaker 1: Browns fans. This feels darker and much more depressing than
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah. I think partially because they had all
Speaker 1: the hope that they had in this season sucked out
Speaker 1: of them when uh, Deshaun Kaiser was replaced by Kevin
Speaker 1: Hogan and he was horrible today. I mean, I hate
Speaker 1: to say they'll go back to Kaiser. Oh it sounds
Speaker 1: like they might. Well, the tone Hugh Jackson took before
Speaker 1: this week was that what Kaiser had shown was that
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be on the field anytime soon,
Speaker 1: that he would show that he still needed a lot
Speaker 1: of development and learning and everything else. But Kevin Hogan
Speaker 1: was so bad this week. And I still think that
Speaker 1: that was a move that was made for him to
Speaker 1: try to preserve his jobs. And I think Kevin Hogan
Speaker 1: was so bad. You gotta go back and remember no J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: no merciless uh And still they had no problem my
Speaker 1: you know, I know the Kernel of Truth segment. Is
Speaker 1: that what it's called Mark your new Week, Colonel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he would either needs to be a comeback.
Speaker 1: But okay, so that that's that has promised. But I
Speaker 1: think my new this is strangely on Mark's radar, and
Speaker 1: I my my new favorite weekly segment. I mean, unfortunately
Speaker 1: for for you, Nick is Nick Shook. Riley accepts his
Speaker 1: fate as a Cleveland just resignation as he recounts the
Speaker 1: latest Browns game. We were, you know, we were I
Speaker 1: am in with each other briefly because there's not much
Speaker 1: to say of the third quarter you're you're you're younger,
Speaker 1: you're optimistic. I feel like you've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: junk happen with Cleveland, but there's something about you being
Speaker 1: from Cleveland that you're the last bastion of hope that
Speaker 1: I see as a Browns fan. In your language to
Speaker 1: me today was took on a different tone. I'll never
Speaker 1: stop fighting, but I messaged Mark today. It's not disappointment,
Speaker 1: it's not sadness, it's not even anger. It's imprisonment. We
Speaker 1: are stuck in the world of being a brown Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that that all checks out in the in the
Speaker 1: Texans are now three and three, and we'll try to
Speaker 1: for John without what it's good for first place. Now
Speaker 1: it's good for first place. And with Watson at the controls,
Speaker 1: it feels like anything's possible. And what's a weird season
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Weird? Let's move on Cozins of the
Speaker 1: shotgun and so I give no keeps it on the
Speaker 1: outrec Kirk at the five that he is in. Cousins
Speaker 1: touchdown all the keeper. That makes it a two score
Speaker 1: kid touchdown baby with three to play. What a call
Speaker 1: by Jake Bruton. Kirk Cousins ran for a score through
Speaker 1: for two touchdowns overall and uneven performance, but still it
Speaker 1: was just enough as the Washington Redskins held off the
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners twenty six to twenty four. The
Speaker 1: O and six Niners have now lost their last five games.
Speaker 1: By everybody, pay attention to this. Three two, three, three
Speaker 1: and two points? Fifteen points? Is that right? Does that
Speaker 1: add up to fifteen? That? I cannot confirms that the
Speaker 1: county you were doing before. I didn't lock that up.
Speaker 1: Thirteen points, five losses, that's almost impossible, Shook. This is
Speaker 1: what I imagine hell is like. Yeah, just repeated close losses. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Early in next game, it didn't look
Speaker 1: like it. It looked like the Residents are gonna run
Speaker 1: away with it. And then Kyle Shanahan pulled Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: wisely and turned to the rookie C. J. Bethard, who
Speaker 1: he gained the job in a half of football. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't even close. The comparison between the two, it
Speaker 1: was night and day, and he just didn't have enough
Speaker 1: to bring that bring them all the way back. They
Speaker 1: were close at the end and couldn't finish the job.
Speaker 1: But pretty encouraging. For Yeah, you can look at these
Speaker 1: losses and say it's hell or there's the DNA of
Speaker 1: something developing here and building. Would you rather be the
Speaker 1: team we just talked about or a team that's taking
Speaker 1: each game down to the final possession or two. It's
Speaker 1: it's a tough result, but that third was a really
Speaker 1: prizing third round pick, and then he had a really
Speaker 1: surprisingly good preseason that people were pretty impressed by, and
Speaker 1: now he it felt when I saw that Hoyer was pulled,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that feels like a you know,
Speaker 1: ten games of C. J. Bethard feels like a lot
Speaker 1: because I I kind of assumed Hoyer was pulled for good.
Speaker 1: But maybe Kyle Shanahan, it's his hand picked guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: he can find a little magic. Not like he's the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future, but just like that, he's someone
Speaker 1: to help build, like a Kirk Cousins like he did
Speaker 1: in Washington. I've never been a fan of Iowa quarterbacks
Speaker 1: just because their style of offense is not really conducive
Speaker 1: to appropriate running the ball. Yeah yeah, yeah, all they
Speaker 1: do is hand the ball off. So I wasn't really
Speaker 1: that high on him, but he did have a you know,
Speaker 1: a good preseason and and he showed today. I mean
Speaker 1: he proved it to me. He threw them right back
Speaker 1: into that game and they were not in that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously there's credit goes their defense, which you know, shut
Speaker 1: things down for Washington the second half. They only allowed
Speaker 1: nine points in the second half. Um. But yeah, Bethard,
Speaker 1: he's the guy. He he makes watch. You know, Shanahan
Speaker 1: would have love to stick it to the Redskins who
Speaker 1: fired him by coming back from seventeen nothing with Beether
Speaker 1: that would have been a pretty embarrassing loss. And the
Speaker 1: son of Bobby bet too, and his name's up in
Speaker 1: FedEx Field, and he could stick to them next year
Speaker 1: by stealing Kirk Cousins Jesse. I want everyone to sound intelligent.
Speaker 1: It's pronounced beat hard. Okay, thank you, Thanks. Any other
Speaker 1: thoughts on this game? Nick? Uh? Not really other than
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson has been the go to guy in the
Speaker 1: rushing and the passing game, which was somewhat of a
Speaker 1: surprise and explains why you're not seeing big numbers from
Speaker 1: other Redskins receivers. I feel like with Aaron Rodgers injured,
Speaker 1: like almost any NFC team can try to convince themselves
Speaker 1: that why not like an NFC contender, and in theory,
Speaker 1: the Redskins bet a lot going to go against them
Speaker 1: so far and could get better there three and two.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they really missed Rob Kelly Chocolate, I
Speaker 1: mean really miss We were the best three teams in
Speaker 1: the NFC last or the top four Seattle, Green Bay,
Speaker 1: Dallas in Atlanta. All of them have had issues or
Speaker 1: major injury issues, suspension issues. And then you have all
Speaker 1: these other teams where it feels like a season where
Speaker 1: everyone could potentially finish eight and eight. Like the NFC
Speaker 1: is wild. I mean, I think the whole league is
Speaker 1: wide open as we try to look ahead towards January.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and if you're Watchington, you couldn't have lost
Speaker 1: this one because the Eagles are surging. You gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta try to hang with them. All right, Let's do
Speaker 1: one more with two thousand nineteen through two thousand twenty two. Mr,
Speaker 1: Your universe, universe, He's gonna win it four times in
Speaker 1: a row. Do you realize how strict of a life
Speaker 1: I would have to lead to do that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're there, You're halfway there. You're gonna get a good
Speaker 1: pump in after today, right, like a twelve hour work day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what we do out to work. Please,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be nearly as healthy. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got a pump in mark, not tonight. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on from the nearest side. Will bring it out
Speaker 1: to the end zone. Your side numbers ten beers to
Speaker 1: his right. The public now has to back down to
Speaker 1: your sideline. Forty midfield. Pharrell Cooper, Hey in the Jack's territory,
Speaker 1: fifty turn touchdown. That's how you start the game right there, JB.
Speaker 1: Long and there's our boy, Maurice Shoans Drew of KSPN,
Speaker 1: the Rams Radio Network. Phararell Cooper returned the opening kickoff
Speaker 1: a hundred and three yards, So after the entire season
Speaker 1: h there had not been a kickoff return for a score.
Speaker 1: There were two today, um anyway, so Cooper scored a
Speaker 1: hundred and three yards out, one of two special teams
Speaker 1: touchdowns that helped the Rams top all the Jaguars seven
Speaker 1: to seventeen UM in Jacksonville. Oh yeah, oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: take your curse and you stick it up your ace.
Speaker 1: By the way, this proves the you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the word is how wise it is to
Speaker 1: have the two loss in a row rule before you
Speaker 1: break out team of a t hell because I think
Speaker 1: it would have been embarrassing had you broken out. Well,
Speaker 1: some people would say that, and although I still want
Speaker 1: to break it out the next time they lose. Since
Speaker 1: coming out shook the Rams of four and two for
Speaker 1: the first time since two thousand six, today was an
Speaker 1: example of why they should be taken seriously in the
Speaker 1: suddenly wide open NFC. They could beat you in different ways.
Speaker 1: The suddenly wide open NFC that Greg Rosenthal wrote about
Speaker 1: on NFL dot COM's Greg Rosenthal Yeah, big, big, big
Speaker 1: three bigs, not one, not to three bigsbut a weird
Speaker 1: Rams weird, a little weird. Yeah, uh really A game
Speaker 1: that exploded from the start with that kick return touchdown
Speaker 1: for Ferrell Cooper, which was immediately followed by a seventy
Speaker 1: five yard Leonard for Net touchdown run, and then came
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt in the second half. A combined
Speaker 1: six points between the two teams in the second half,
Speaker 1: both field goals and not much else thanks to the defenses.
Speaker 1: Klai's Campbell had two sacks. The Rams sacked Blake Boards
Speaker 1: five times, and it really served as an example of
Speaker 1: a how well the Rams could potentially play and be
Speaker 1: how the Jaguars have to not play in order to
Speaker 1: win because they can't fall behind, and especially when he
Speaker 1: gets to the fourth quarter, not with Blake Bortles at quarterback,
Speaker 1: you just simply can't do it right. The numbers don't
Speaker 1: look that terrible for Blake Bortles, but just from what
Speaker 1: I've heard in the game, like his accuracy leaves a
Speaker 1: little something to be desired. It that's not that's not
Speaker 1: a new trend. Now there's in the NFL that misses
Speaker 1: on an incomplete pass like Blake Bortles. His touchdown was
Speaker 1: basically a checkdown. I don't know if his design player checkdown,
Speaker 1: but he got it to Chris Ivory, who did all
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting on the play. It's still a Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles world. And Jacksonville and Leonard Fournette went down with
Speaker 1: an ankle injury and look for a second, like a
Speaker 1: non contact knee injury, and you're thinking yourself, could anything
Speaker 1: more happen on this Sunday Takeaway Rogers and four net
Speaker 1: in the same day, But luckily the Jacksonville announced that
Speaker 1: he was okay to come back in the game, but
Speaker 1: they held him out as a precaution, so that was
Speaker 1: good news. But yeah, Jacksonville is gonna I think shook
Speaker 1: hit on it. If if they can get ahead with
Speaker 1: four net and that defense, they can win gay But
Speaker 1: you put them in a hole, they're not going to
Speaker 1: dig themselves out. Well. Greg brought it up last week.
Speaker 1: Talvin Smith's having a really good year and he had
Speaker 1: to play today. That could have turned the tide if
Speaker 1: the offense could have taken advantage of it. But you know,
Speaker 1: you can only run Leonard so many times in a
Speaker 1: row in so many weeks and not expect a defense
Speaker 1: to stack the box to stop it. I mean, other
Speaker 1: than that touchdown run, he averaged something under three yards
Speaker 1: a carry. I mean, that's a pretty good defense from
Speaker 1: the ring. And that happened against Pittsburgh last week. Two
Speaker 1: from the second into the third quarter for Nett was
Speaker 1: not going crazy and then he got the best of
Speaker 1: them down the stretch late in the game. And you
Speaker 1: know what you can do when you play the Jaguars
Speaker 1: is you can play so that conservative in the second
Speaker 1: half where they ended up running the ball thirty six
Speaker 1: times to only twenty one throws. I mean they won
Speaker 1: a game where they got only add twenty four yards
Speaker 1: from Jared Goff. And I think they probably were comfortable
Speaker 1: running girly that much because because they were thinking, all right,
Speaker 1: come back on us, Blake Bortles. In the meantime, we'll
Speaker 1: let Gurley, who's the best guy on our offense, just
Speaker 1: get the ball. And if we don't score a lot,
Speaker 1: so be it. And unlike last year when they needed
Speaker 1: those carries from Todd Gurry late in the game and
Speaker 1: that that turned up the yards that got the first
Speaker 1: downs they got them from. What do we got today? Uh?
Speaker 1: We got some back and buys today, or we need
Speaker 1: to hit arms. I didn't hit arms. And if you
Speaker 1: look at a lot of work to do in those arms,
Speaker 1: the total package. Some guys, what do they call it?
Speaker 1: What's the lingo inside? The guys that go beach muscles
Speaker 1: and they don't work the legs, the glamor muscles. Glamor muscles.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a leg pump in soon enough to yesterday.
Speaker 1: There you go? Who I mean, honestly, who what? What
Speaker 1: else do you want to hear? The dude is doing
Speaker 1: a Saturday leg day, A lot of people won't do that.
Speaker 1: They're either taking the day off or they're going with
Speaker 1: the glamour muscles on Saturday because they got the day.
Speaker 1: At the end of the night, this guy's working as
Speaker 1: quads and the glutes. That's a butt, all right, Nick Shook,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. As always, Greg just flabbergasted by that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's dan could not be objectifying Shook's physical box anymore.
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm a little uncomfortable with it. Know,
Speaker 1: he's just another member of the Shield softball team. He
Speaker 1: puts on his softball pants to one leg at a time,
Speaker 1: last leg first, then right for sure, Nick Shook off,
Speaker 1: he goes to the gym, get a pump in. He
Speaker 1: won't be alone. Mark also getting a pump in later tonight.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not true. Definitely a pump has happening tonight. Let's
Speaker 1: move on, Palmer, hands off Peterson and get up the middle,
Speaker 1: and he's got the first down in more at Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson's heading for the end zone. Touchdown, Cardinals. What a
Speaker 1: debut by all day? Well, you're better believe all day.
Speaker 1: A little chump, cut, a little shippy and then a
Speaker 1: burst through the hole. Touch doll. You can tell Dave
Speaker 1: Passion Ron Wealthy, they needed this. Hopefully they've they've they've
Speaker 1: needed this. Katie are what they call. Adrian Peterson rush
Speaker 1: for two touchdowns and a hundred and thirty four yards
Speaker 1: in his debut UH in Arizona and the Cardinals held
Speaker 1: off a comeback attempt by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, led
Speaker 1: by Fitz Magic of all people. But in the end
Speaker 1: it was a thirty eight to thirty three win for
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, who, um, you know we were talking leading
Speaker 1: into this game, how pretty much there was nobody uh
Speaker 1: in the NFC that was looking as bad as Arizona,
Speaker 1: and and yet with Adrian Peterson, they looked like a
Speaker 1: new team. Mark reports of Adrian Peterson's demise of premature.
Speaker 1: It seemed to make everyone better, it really did. The
Speaker 1: game took on a strange tone in the second half
Speaker 1: when the comeback occurred, but I really saw an Arizona
Speaker 1: team that took its foot off the gas and kind
Speaker 1: of just let the second half play out. They were
Speaker 1: so incredibly dominant early on, taking a thirty one and
Speaker 1: nothing lead at one point, and Peterson ran in a
Speaker 1: way that our boy Chris Wesleyan said he would he
Speaker 1: people writing him off. He just never really fit with
Speaker 1: that Saints team. They let him basically owned the game
Speaker 1: from the first minute, looked great. You know, he ended
Speaker 1: up with a hundred and thirty four yards that doesn't
Speaker 1: include a forty one yard run they got called back
Speaker 1: by penalty. He was physically dominant, beautiful cuts here and there,
Speaker 1: and it opened up the passing game. It's the first
Speaker 1: game all year where Carson Palmer played most of the
Speaker 1: game completely upright. Second half things got a little haywire,
Speaker 1: but it completely opened up the passing game in terms
Speaker 1: of bringing Larry Fitzgerald into the mix in a way
Speaker 1: that he hasn't this season yet. Also, it was a
Speaker 1: phenomenal game frame. It looked like the Cardinals from two
Speaker 1: seasons ago basically. And if you think about it, with Peterson,
Speaker 1: we didn't really know. I know, he didn't have a
Speaker 1: productive short stay in New Orleans, but we really didn't
Speaker 1: know if he had any juice left. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if there was a chance, when would he
Speaker 1: ever be more motivated than this game, knowing he was
Speaker 1: going to get the ball times, knowing everybody was gonna
Speaker 1: see if he was if he had a fork sticking
Speaker 1: out of his back. So I was impressed, but not
Speaker 1: but not surprised by this performance. I want to see
Speaker 1: what he's like more in the long term, but today
Speaker 1: I think he had to be a very gratifying performance.
Speaker 1: It's still awesome, even if the rest of his tenure
Speaker 1: in Arizona is just okay for him to give that,
Speaker 1: you know, one great last moment after what he was
Speaker 1: through last year off the field, I mean, not not
Speaker 1: playing and coming back from the injury and everyone saying
Speaker 1: he's washed to have kind of an epic you thought
Speaker 1: I was done, but I'm not done performance Again. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what Adrian Peterson is known for. And I
Speaker 1: think it's one of those games like, well, we'll remember
Speaker 1: this game when you think about his career. I agree,
Speaker 1: very memorable and you know, again, I cannot stress if
Speaker 1: it's sticks how much it changed this offense, which was
Speaker 1: Unwatchablupko Carson Palmer opens fourteen and fourteen. It was not
Speaker 1: a coincidence. The play action takes on a completely different
Speaker 1: tone when you actually buy the running book of the
Speaker 1: guy who replaced Chris Johnson, who had a really nice
Speaker 1: career but he was done and Greg just quick aside.
Speaker 1: You said washed, I know that seems to be gaining
Speaker 1: a foothold. What happened to watched up? Is that being
Speaker 1: phased out? It's more efficient if you're washed. It seems
Speaker 1: hipper to guys, definite washed. Well, what happened? I think
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be very tired and about two months.
Speaker 1: I'm very tough. I think they're both I think they're
Speaker 1: both fine. I mean, I I was stunned by this,
Speaker 1: which should be obvious, because I got I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: a big fat sad horn for locking this one up.
Speaker 1: And that was only because I was just picking against
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I didn't. I didn't. I don't even like
Speaker 1: this Bucks team right now. The way they're playing their
Speaker 1: defense has been inconsistent. Jamis Winston, who went out with
Speaker 1: a shoulder injury, which might have been the biggest story
Speaker 1: in the NFL, uh if not for Aaron Rodgers. Now
Speaker 1: it feels like an afterthought. He's getting an m r
Speaker 1: R Monday. He's optimistic he'll be able to play. He
Speaker 1: was warming up at one point. You never know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: he came back in brief as well, and that exit again.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing, what what Buck fans don't
Speaker 1: want to hear. Is that Ryan Fitzpatrick flat out out
Speaker 1: played him. Wow, it wasn't perfect, But Winston has not
Speaker 1: been a solution for this offense necessarily. I just didn't
Speaker 1: think this Cardinals team had this game in them. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been one of the worst teams in the NFL
Speaker 1: that seven and football outsiders going into thirtieth. I believe
Speaker 1: going into today like they're point differential for the season
Speaker 1: even after today is worse than the forty. Niners haven't won.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a little it's a little flukey, and
Speaker 1: they almost lost, right they have. They have not been
Speaker 1: a good team this year, But I don't know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: teams can change if you've got enough talent. There three
Speaker 1: in two. This whole NFC West is above five right
Speaker 1: now except for Greg You're wild your locks record now
Speaker 1: it's getting Browns in So there's got to be head
Speaker 1: towards week seven? Is there a little bit where's your
Speaker 1: piece scale? Let's say one is my under pants of fine,
Speaker 1: no worries can go out in public and not even
Speaker 1: think about it and tend being oh my goodness, everyone's
Speaker 1: looking at me. I need to get a change in
Speaker 1: my underpants and fresh pants. I'm just soaked all the
Speaker 1: way through it. You are deep in the narrative. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go one then, because I don't think anyone in
Speaker 1: the public is looking at me and thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to, say, like Starbucks in the
Speaker 1: you know? I mean I want to, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to turn it around here, but we're all struggling
Speaker 1: as a group. We are. Don't try to do that.
Speaker 1: We're under five hundred. I'm just saying the locks haven't
Speaker 1: haven't lived up to their name. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to have been to nied service
Speaker 1: at an eater or a or a coffee shop because
Speaker 1: of your lock record? Is anyone anywhere noticed at all? Now,
Speaker 1: I've never mentioned it. I believe I'm either three. I
Speaker 1: think I might be three and three. But this is
Speaker 1: the same thing when you like you casually like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone on the podcast is so short and like, I
Speaker 1: don't have the hottest bod. But the one thing I'm
Speaker 1: not as short. You're trying to group bad at locks.
Speaker 1: It's the same. It's the same type of thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing poorly in locks, you're doing doing Poorlyan three
Speaker 1: and three is very poorly. I would it is very poor.
Speaker 1: I would say, are you even worse like last year?
Speaker 1: I think we're probably a percent or so. There is
Speaker 1: a distinction between three and three and one in five
Speaker 1: or oh and six. I'm not I don't even show
Speaker 1: what your record is. I'm just saying you seem to
Speaker 1: be making some excuses and trying to shield or change
Speaker 1: or shift their narrative, which tells me it bothers you,
Speaker 1: and that's why I love it. Let's move on. Oh,
Speaker 1: one more thing I want to because we love hearing
Speaker 1: from uncle brucey Um. Let's listen to Um, the head
Speaker 1: coach of the Cardinals, Bruce Arians, talking about his new addition.
Speaker 1: Obviously a day for old guys. I know how to
Speaker 1: coach old guys. I love Bruce Arians. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: In overtime, left to right kick far left hash a snack,
Speaker 1: a little tall, and the spot clean. The right footed
Speaker 1: kick has the leg of a kick. It's good. Connor
Speaker 1: Barth nails it from forty yards out and the Bears,
Speaker 1: who blew us seventeen to three lead beat the Ravens
Speaker 1: in Baltimore twenty seven, twenty four in overtime Jeff Johnny
Speaker 1: ac W B B M with the call. Connor Barths
Speaker 1: forty yard field goal of two minutes and eight seconds
Speaker 1: to play in overtime was the difference as the Bears
Speaker 1: UH beat the Ravens twenty seven to twenty four. Jordan
Speaker 1: Howard had a really nice game, rushing for a hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty seven yards UH. Tere Cohen, who had kind
Speaker 1: of disappeared in the last couple weeks through its touched
Speaker 1: down and got the ball a lot. Greg Mitch Drabinski
Speaker 1: picked up his first career win UH, and the raven
Speaker 1: season has taken a turn for them a cob These
Speaker 1: two teams are very similar. There's not much separating these
Speaker 1: two teams though they looked like kind of the same team.
Speaker 1: Hey we need we need a running back to throw
Speaker 1: a touchdown if you're the Bears. UH. For the Ravens,
Speaker 1: I mean, their offense scored six points. They only they
Speaker 1: only came back in this game because they had a
Speaker 1: seventy seven yard punt return. UH. They had another score
Speaker 1: set up by a turnover. Basically, they were reliant on
Speaker 1: their defense and special teams. They also had a ninety
Speaker 1: six yard kickoff return. That's the only reason they were
Speaker 1: even in this game, and it was this John Fox's
Speaker 1: dream right here. They ran the ball fifty four times
Speaker 1: to seventeen passes. They were, I mean fifty four times,
Speaker 1: and that's not that's not like, hey, we gotta lead
Speaker 1: early and let's run it. They ran the ball twenty
Speaker 1: one times to six throws for Drabinsky in the first half.
Speaker 1: It was all run all the time, don't let Robisky
Speaker 1: do anything. And it completely wipes away Baltimore's encouraging win
Speaker 1: over Oakland last week, where it looked like maybe the
Speaker 1: Ravens on offense, we're opening up the passing game, able
Speaker 1: to run and turning things around. They seem unwatchable on offense.
Speaker 1: They could run the ball a little bit, but they
Speaker 1: can get run on too. I mean, how many yards
Speaker 1: to how many yards did the Bears have rushing two
Speaker 1: hundred thirty yards to the Ravens awesome defense? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think five weeks of the NFL. I think Mark's
Speaker 1: only one one lock this year too, and West is
Speaker 1: oh and two or something like that. They sent us
Speaker 1: the standings on just so it's pretty pretty rough. Well,
Speaker 1: my three and three looks like almost seventy two Dolphins
Speaker 1: ish when compared to the rest of the Then they
Speaker 1: they the a t N locks crew who's not happy
Speaker 1: with me. You should check them out on Twitter lock
Speaker 1: it up because they sent our overall records and we're
Speaker 1: in last year we barely lost any of them. Because
Speaker 1: that's the whole point is it's supposed to be locks.
Speaker 1: It's not a good thing. If I think it was
Speaker 1: fair enough right now that we're well under five hundred,
Speaker 1: well you guys are I just want to like you
Speaker 1: have been along with the height, Dan is very happy
Speaker 1: with like mediocrity. He's like, yeah, I'm right at average.
Speaker 1: Don't get at me, you know not, I'm a little
Speaker 1: above average and height and you know at in my
Speaker 1: walks anything else. Mark for regarding you. I do want
Speaker 1: to give I do want to give Wesleyan's boy Travisky
Speaker 1: a little bit of love. Even in a game where
Speaker 1: he only had a hundred and thirteen yards, two players
Speaker 1: really stood out and helped them win this game. His
Speaker 1: touchdown throw on the run was a thing of beauty.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of what he's known for right now.
Speaker 1: And then another play where they threw the ball on
Speaker 1: a snap over his head. He had to be pretty
Speaker 1: athletic to go run and get the ball, run away
Speaker 1: from the defense and throw it away. And in a
Speaker 1: game like this that that athleticism sort of felt like
Speaker 1: the difference. I think they're still very happy he's the
Speaker 1: guy over Mac Mike Lennon for sure. The Ravens mccob scenario, Mark,
Speaker 1: I like it. It handals back to the origin of
Speaker 1: that team. All right, let's move on. It will be
Speaker 1: a thirty two yard attempt. They moved back a little bit.
Speaker 1: Two knees, Nick, No back on, snap hold, kick us
Speaker 1: up and it is good. Chargers win. Chargers Win seventeen sixteen.
Speaker 1: They defeat the Raiders. That money Smith with the call
Speaker 1: k l a C Charges Radio Network. Nick, you notice
Speaker 1: anyone attached to our show outside of us Matt money
Speaker 1: Smith going on to become a weekly play by play
Speaker 1: guy for an NFL Connie Fox, completely blowing us away
Speaker 1: from a career perspective. At this point, on like twelve
Speaker 1: TV shows, everyone attached to the show Soaring except for us.
Speaker 1: Homecoming at b y U, which is like her dream job.
Speaker 1: We might have some more news along this front of
Speaker 1: people getting great opportunities later this week. That's what's called
Speaker 1: the teas in the business. Also, well, that's interesting. Also
Speaker 1: Gonzo just got a full time position at the ringer
Speaker 1: except for us, but we are still here. Nothing has
Speaker 1: changed for the group. For this is the group you're
Speaker 1: attaching yourself to. Lindsay, Oh, she'll be producing, you know,
Speaker 1: Game Day Morning Lives. He's gonna replace like Gelman on
Speaker 1: Live with Kelly and Straight Hand or whatever. No way,
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm with you guys for the long haun
Speaker 1: way to go alright with the current reference there, I
Speaker 1: think Gelman does still produce. Gelman has been there for
Speaker 1: decades anyway. So uh yeah, Novac made that kick and
Speaker 1: and the Chargers beat the Raiders seventeen sixty and the
Speaker 1: free falling Oakland Raiders Greg Derek Carr returned to the lineup,
Speaker 1: but Oakland remains stuck in the mud at all. Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: you have to give him a little some credit for
Speaker 1: fighting through the toughness of a back injury. That that's problematic.
Speaker 1: I do think there were some signs of the impact
Speaker 1: of that back injury in this game. Maybe his movement
Speaker 1: not as great as it usually is. And then more importantly,
Speaker 1: they just didn't throw the ball down the field. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's an injury or not, but
Speaker 1: his two interceptions really came from inaccurate throws. And they
Speaker 1: didn't really try to go down the field much in
Speaker 1: this game. So it just when you watch them, it's
Speaker 1: not the same Raiders team that we saw a year ago. Well,
Speaker 1: they're boring on offense, Yeah, I wouldn't say they're particularly
Speaker 1: exciting on defense either. It's a fair point into cars credit. Look,
Speaker 1: it looked like they had maybe won this game with
Speaker 1: a fourth quarter touchdown drive. I mean that's coming through
Speaker 1: in the key spots, but they gave the ball back
Speaker 1: to Philip Rivers and he ends up. This time it's
Speaker 1: the Chargers with the ball bleeding the clock, Melvin Gordon
Speaker 1: with his second straight strong game, running the ball through
Speaker 1: the Raiders defense, and they just could not get a stop.
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry finally woke up, especially on this last drive
Speaker 1: in in this game, and the Raiders just couldn't get
Speaker 1: the ball back and set up that game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: If you're Oakland, you are two and four and having
Speaker 1: to now go deal with the Chiefs in a short week,
Speaker 1: your season could be essentially over by next weekend, They're
Speaker 1: a total messer. I'm wondering. I'm wondering if you know,
Speaker 1: if Derek Carr's not right, if you're saying you think
Speaker 1: he might, I don't know. He didn't have a good game.
Speaker 1: Let's just say he's probably not, which he probably isn't.
Speaker 1: It was like a two to six week injury. And
Speaker 1: he came back into why is Marshawn Lynch only getting
Speaker 1: the both thirteen times? If there was ever a time
Speaker 1: to give Lynch the ball like they did in the
Speaker 1: old days, give it to him twenty five times and
Speaker 1: ride the game that way, why not do it? And
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna do it? He was effective, he
Speaker 1: was running hard. I think he's been fine. It really
Speaker 1: is the offensive line, which we gave a lot of
Speaker 1: credit to before the season, has not been opening up polls.
Speaker 1: Cordel Patterson had a forty seven yard touchdown. That's what
Speaker 1: gave them the lead. He ended up giving the biggest
Speaker 1: play in the running game. He's like the only thing
Speaker 1: exciting on the team. He it's a It's a great
Speaker 1: point by Mark and it's partly because of a myths
Speaker 1: extra point which happened on a bad snap that they
Speaker 1: could be staring at two and five that Thursday night
Speaker 1: game is huge, And for the Chargers, they now have
Speaker 1: a home game next week against the Broncos, where I
Speaker 1: don't know, at least they're gonna feel like, maybe we
Speaker 1: can get back in this thing if we can win
Speaker 1: one more game, win three in a row if you're
Speaker 1: the Chargers. This was their first road win in the
Speaker 1: division in three years, which is pretty wild. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's also the first time the Saints are over five
Speaker 1: hundred's and two. Everything's happened embarrassing by the way. You
Speaker 1: think we're done, but we're not going to the Sunday
Speaker 1: night game just yet. We got a little bit of
Speaker 1: breaking news Dan all Right. NFL media insider Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: reports that Martavis Brian has requested a trade from the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. Apparently his displeasure with his spot on the
Speaker 1: team not a surprise to a lot of those around
Speaker 1: the teams. Interesting. I mean, that was the coming off
Speaker 1: a week where they were talking about de emphasizing him
Speaker 1: in the office, and now that might be permanent. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I saw that earlier in the show, and I was like,
Speaker 1: Area cry baby wants out because he's not on the
Speaker 1: field enough. I could wait till Tuesday, That's what I was.
Speaker 1: That's a big you know, why why wait? Were he
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. They're not going to trade him
Speaker 1: at least not fits well with the you know, the
Speaker 1: ten minutes we spent talking about how Pittsburgh's overcome all
Speaker 1: this drama and they're not a drama magnet anymore. Willias
Speaker 1: you are? I I would I don't know, Well, well,
Speaker 1: we will talk about it then, But I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that crazy to trade a mal content that's not producing,
Speaker 1: especially when you can possibly get something for him. He's
Speaker 1: a guy. It would be quite a gamble by whoever
Speaker 1: got in business with Martinos Bryant. Yeah, he'd be on
Speaker 1: my radar as as a different front office right now
Speaker 1: trying to I could see the Browns. You know, they
Speaker 1: brought in Sammy Coates next time. I don't even try it.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of Kenny Britten, mart Davis Bryant
Speaker 1: with Josh Gordon waiting in the wings of Johnny Manzel
Speaker 1: clap it along, which takes us to Sunday Night Football
Speaker 1: Sunday Simmy and takes the shotgun snap and he's back
Speaker 1: to throw. He throws it underneath shot by Jack Robbins.
Speaker 1: He's the thirty ten five touchdown Giants forty four yard
Speaker 1: for Jack Robin Bob Papa with the call Jack Rabbit
Speaker 1: is do we remember who Jack Rabbit is? All the
Speaker 1: usage that they're in that setting, But okay, awfully comfortable
Speaker 1: and familiar using Jack Rabbit instead of Genoros. But he
Speaker 1: likes it, Genaries Jenkins, he likes it. He likes playing
Speaker 1: against Trevor Simeon and the Broncos because he took it
Speaker 1: back to the house, gave the Giants a big lead
Speaker 1: going into the half and they never looked back. The
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants finally get a win twenty three
Speaker 1: ten over the Broncos in Denver, and what has to
Speaker 1: be uh Greg Rose with all one of the biggest
Speaker 1: surprises of the season. I don't, I can't. I spent
Speaker 1: all week having fun at the Giants expense, saying of
Speaker 1: this would never there would never be a more defined
Speaker 1: blowout in one team favor and then the Giants basically
Speaker 1: blew up the Denver Broncos in primetime, I mean earlier
Speaker 1: on this very program. I I said, how the Dolphins
Speaker 1: had the most surprising win of the season, and then, uh,
Speaker 1: the Giants, you know, as the kids said, hold my beer.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Uh yeah, what a crazy game.
Speaker 1: I think we just lost Greg for a second there. Mark,
Speaker 1: how about you your thoughts in this game? Well, it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's baffling. At the same time, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: done being stunned by results to any of these games,
Speaker 1: because it's well, most of these teams. It feels to
Speaker 1: me that about nine percent of the NFL is a
Speaker 1: week to week proposition. With these teams, and tonight, how
Speaker 1: do you how do you map this one out? We do?
Speaker 1: We spend all week doing these pick shows and you
Speaker 1: try to come up with a logical conclusion. Well, what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen? You take away essentially all of New York's
Speaker 1: receiving corps and instead Orleans Dark while blows up for
Speaker 1: a hundred and six starters. On top of that, it's
Speaker 1: it's absurd to me. And then and the way the
Speaker 1: game unfold it, I mean, Denver, their formula has been
Speaker 1: when they're successful, member that were not many weeks removed
Speaker 1: from them dominating the Dallas Cowboys in a game that
Speaker 1: made me think, this is a team with Super Bowl
Speaker 1: type d n A and they can't run the ball
Speaker 1: tonight and they now have a ton of injuries of
Speaker 1: their own. Well, I got out of there. I got
Speaker 1: out of there quick. That Denver, though, has an offensive problem.
Speaker 1: You know they can play from the lead. That Dallas
Speaker 1: game was an anomaly. We now have a three week
Speaker 1: sample size where they scored sixteen, sixteen and ten. Right,
Speaker 1: So this is an offense that plays better from ahead.
Speaker 1: You don't want Trevor Simeon uh throwing the ball fifty
Speaker 1: times like he did tonight. But you also give have
Speaker 1: to give the Giants some credit. Not only did they
Speaker 1: get Orleans dark Wad seventeen yards on the ground, they
Speaker 1: have two game changing defensive players who are among the
Speaker 1: highest paid players players in the league. JPP had three
Speaker 1: sacks and contributed to that line stand right at the
Speaker 1: end of the game that really cemented it and generics Jenkins,
Speaker 1: who was getting picked on essentially early in the game.
Speaker 1: Jack Rabbit. Jack Rabbit fights back not just with the
Speaker 1: pick six, but with some great plays in the second half,
Speaker 1: and he was part of that stop on the goal line.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was playing very tough tonight. This was
Speaker 1: the Giants defense. We thought we would see. A couple
Speaker 1: thoughts about Denver. They have now scored in their last
Speaker 1: three games sixteen sixteen and ten points. Uh hashtag team
Speaker 1: Trev little shaky right now, Greg after a great start,
Speaker 1: not rubbing an in, just pointing out that the offense
Speaker 1: is not moving in the starting quarterback it falls on
Speaker 1: him most of the time the running game. He's not
Speaker 1: getting any help, at least this week. He didn't Jamal
Speaker 1: Charles five for nineteen, c J Anderson nine for seventeen,
Speaker 1: and on the Giant side of the ball, Mike Sullivan
Speaker 1: quietly took over play calling duties from Ben McAdoo. They
Speaker 1: they pulled the old ol a on the media, didn't
Speaker 1: let anyone know all week. And then Al michaels Um
Speaker 1: who had some nice bits on Sun Day night. Um,
Speaker 1: he announced it right at the beginning of the game.
Speaker 1: So it's a nice start for Mike Sullivan. Ben McAdoo
Speaker 1: could use a game like this, um, and probably will
Speaker 1: be um sleeping better this week, so I'm sure he
Speaker 1: hasn't done it much this year. Yeah, And if you're Denver,
Speaker 1: you you had a bye week to prepare for a
Speaker 1: game that everyone thought you should have taken care of.
Speaker 1: Now you have to go on the road for three
Speaker 1: straight games to deal with the Chargers, the Chiefs, the Eagles,
Speaker 1: then the Patriots. Their schedule is brutal down the stretch.
Speaker 1: They they have to be worried about the offensive line play.
Speaker 1: So that's what's been the same throughout the season. That
Speaker 1: Dallas game was an exception. Trevor Trevor simmeons gotten hit
Speaker 1: all season long. I don't think the line is particularly
Speaker 1: any better right now this season than they were before.
Speaker 1: And then you lost Emmanuel Sanders in this game to
Speaker 1: an ankle injury that did not look pretty. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is very valuable because they have two great wide receivers,
Speaker 1: but it's very thin after that. And if they lose
Speaker 1: Sanders for an extended period time, which it sure looked
Speaker 1: like they would like that, that is a major major loss.
Speaker 1: Um Al Michael's before the game started, uh, and what's
Speaker 1: felt like a desperate cell of a bad game for
Speaker 1: NBC said Hey, it's the NFL. Anything can happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what happened. But they still didn't get
Speaker 1: a good game. Alan, Chris and Michelle are still looking
Speaker 1: for a good game on Sunday Night. Maybe will happen
Speaker 1: next week, Mark when Sunday Night Football pits what two
Speaker 1: teams in a Super Bowl rematch, the Patriots that was
Speaker 1: well played. Um anyway, so that's it. Everyone's gonna go
Speaker 1: eight and eight now that the Giants happening here, that will.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the Brown's gonna do it, but
Speaker 1: I think everything else is in play. Giants have a
Speaker 1: long way to go. And and don't think that that
Speaker 1: mcadoo's not gonna take back this play calling. He's he's
Speaker 1: he remembers how he got the job. It's from he
Speaker 1: got the job from being the offensive coordinator that had
Speaker 1: a night word if you if if this goes too well,
Speaker 1: I think he takes it right back. Um, total dysfunction.
Speaker 1: All right, We'll be back on Tuesday, UH with our
Speaker 1: recap of Monday Night Football, which Mark features a game
Speaker 1: between the Cults and the Titans. Are on listen. I
Speaker 1: know I did start to know. Now these questions are
Speaker 1: gonna come at me. So yeah, you check us out Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and we'll have a very special guest at the end
Speaker 1: of the show hopefully so that will be good. But
Speaker 1: that's it for tonight. Stan Hands the signing off for
Speaker 1: Quiet Storm. The mailman Nick Shook, He ain't shook the
Speaker 1: old Boston. There she has Lindsay Fault behind the glass. Tuesday,
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