Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never told You From House Supports
Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline
Speaker 1: and I'm Kristin, and welcome to put two of our
Speaker 1: year and review. The year has been so chock full
Speaker 1: of fabulous things and stuff that it it's actually taking
Speaker 1: two episodes to review it. But we do have a
Speaker 1: special surprise for this particular episode. That's right, Caroline, we
Speaker 1: have not one, but two special guests in the studio today,
Speaker 1: returning guests, I should say the stuff I've never told you,
Speaker 1: And actually I think these are our first returning guests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like series regulars now and they're high fiving. Let's
Speaker 1: just like not introduced right now, keep talking about that.
Speaker 1: I love this mystery. But we are being joined by
Speaker 1: two of our fantastic, hilarious, smart co workers he at
Speaker 1: how Stuff works. Ladies, will you introduce yourselves please? Hi.
Speaker 1: I am Raquel Willis. I am a digital publisher and
Speaker 1: I am so glad to be back. This is amazing, Raquel.
Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you back. I will have
Speaker 1: that I get to be in the studio with Raquel
Speaker 1: for the first time ever. So I'm Holly Fry I'm
Speaker 1: the co host on Stuff you miss some history class
Speaker 1: and an editor here, and I promise that none of
Speaker 1: the stuff I have to talked about today involves underpants. Ah, well,
Speaker 1: you can just leave now. Well, we're so excited to
Speaker 1: have Raquel and Holly on because the thing is, there's
Speaker 1: just no way as much work as Kristen and I
Speaker 1: do and as much research as we do throughout the year,
Speaker 1: there's no way we can possibly cover everything. There's so
Speaker 1: much fabulous information out there specific to ladies that has
Speaker 1: happened over and we haven't possibly been able to cover
Speaker 1: all of it, which is why we wanted to get
Speaker 1: some additional perspectives in here. So what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: for the this Year in Review slash Lady Friend Party
Speaker 1: is go around the podcast studio table and talk about
Speaker 1: our high points and low points for women pop culture
Speaker 1: and all the things that just caught our attention throughout
Speaker 1: the year, and talk about it and just kind of
Speaker 1: see what we were all thinking about and tweeting about
Speaker 1: and screaming about. Sometimes we're so in the same wave length.
Speaker 1: All right, well, recal, do you want to get us started? Sure?
Speaker 1: So much pressure, You're right, So I have a few. UM, definitely,
Speaker 1: and this is probably the most recent, UM, but Serena
Speaker 1: being on Sports Illustrated as the sports Person of the
Speaker 1: Year like that was amazing. I think she's the first
Speaker 1: woman in over a decade, I leave, and by herself
Speaker 1: the first woman since like the eighties, I think. So
Speaker 1: that was really amazing. When UM, of course is Kaitlyn
Speaker 1: Jenner's Vanity fair cover, I have a lot of thoughts
Speaker 1: about that, conflicting thoughts. UM as a trans woman, Viola
Speaker 1: Davis one Best Actress in a Drama UM Emmy this year,
Speaker 1: So that was a really amazing when her speech was
Speaker 1: so amazing, and it was so cute that her daughter
Speaker 1: dressed up for her as Halloween and held her a
Speaker 1: little in me. I don't know if this is a
Speaker 1: highlight or low light, but definitely, Nicki minaj Is Miley
Speaker 1: was good. Was definitely a moment um in lady pop
Speaker 1: culture this year. UM. And the whole conversation of all
Speaker 1: of I guess really just women and the music industry
Speaker 1: and UM just kind of having that dialogue about intersections
Speaker 1: of identities. That was a good conversation. I don't quite
Speaker 1: agree with how it happened, UM, but it happened the
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton Lena Dunham interview. I thought was interesting. Did
Speaker 1: you guys see that? I did not see that. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it either. God, what's wrong with us? Underinformed
Speaker 1: humans or kills bringing the heat and we're just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know which cool. I live on social media,
Speaker 1: so it's just like that my life. Um. Well, they
Speaker 1: they had like a short interview, um, probably like two
Speaker 1: months ago, so you didn't mess it by like much. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, there was part of me that was thinking,
Speaker 1: because I can appreciate Lena Dunham and I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of Hillary Clinton, but there was a part of me
Speaker 1: that was like I literally dismissed it with the thought
Speaker 1: in my brain of it's probably just gonna be real softball.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably gonna be like galpal buddy buddy,
Speaker 1: which is what we're doing right now in this room.
Speaker 1: But I was like, well, I just thought I would
Speaker 1: go back and watch it later. I would rather be
Speaker 1: more informed about like news ear interviews. And then I
Speaker 1: just never watched it. So what's my problem? I don't know. Soerkell,
Speaker 1: what impressed you about the interview? I think from me
Speaker 1: like I get the Hillary Clino if I'm us, like,
Speaker 1: I get that she falls into mainstream UM feminist politics.
Speaker 1: For me, I really want to see her talk to
Speaker 1: feminists that may not look necessarily like her come from
Speaker 1: kind of similar background, UM, particularly as a black woman.
Speaker 1: That's always like a conversation that we have in our
Speaker 1: community is like, should we vote for her because she's
Speaker 1: a woman, or you know, does she talk enough about
Speaker 1: intersectionality and race and stuff like that? So it was cute.
Speaker 1: I mean I it showed like a human side to
Speaker 1: Hillary that we don't always get to see because she
Speaker 1: has to be like, you know, this politician and and
Speaker 1: um beyond her peas and ques. So I have a
Speaker 1: podcast recommendation for you though, where she is talking to
Speaker 1: women who do not look like her and that isn't
Speaker 1: just softballs UM. For fans of Buzzfeeds, another round, Heaven
Speaker 1: and Tracy interview Hillary Clinton in the episode Madam Secretary,
Speaker 1: What's Good? It's episode number twenty eight, and I highly
Speaker 1: recommend everybody listen to it because they do, you know,
Speaker 1: get into joke ear lighthearted questions, but for a while
Speaker 1: they really hold her accountable. Two issues around Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: a legislation that Bill Clinton passed during his administration and
Speaker 1: how that impacted black communities, and I was really impressed
Speaker 1: with the whole thing. To me, it was like one
Speaker 1: of the best conversations that she's had, and she actually
Speaker 1: came across as not just minding her p's and queues
Speaker 1: and following a script and talking points. I agree, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I and I definitely listened for that. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: that was an awful moment. Thank you for bringing that up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of just want to go back to the
Speaker 1: Caitlin and Enhumanity Fair yea, because that looks like hude.
Speaker 1: I think when I first saw it, I think I
Speaker 1: actually was on the way to the office, um, because
Speaker 1: it dropped like in the morning, and a little bit
Speaker 1: of me on the inside was, um like kind of
Speaker 1: like yes, like this is awesome, like representation and visibility,
Speaker 1: you know. And also I kind of felt for her
Speaker 1: being in the spotlight and people putting an identity on
Speaker 1: her before she was really ready to like say anything.
Speaker 1: So I really felt for her for being thrust into
Speaker 1: the spotlight. But I mean I definitely think her kind
Speaker 1: of taking on this role as a spokesperson for the
Speaker 1: trans community. Um. And I guess just a spokesperson in
Speaker 1: general has been very problematic over the past few months.
Speaker 1: As we've seen, um, well, the most recent stuff, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are unhappy with how she was phrasing
Speaker 1: some things. Yeah, can you talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about what what you mean by problematic? Well, I guess
Speaker 1: to start UMM being an activist and actually doing like
Speaker 1: trans advocacy work. It's been a little difficult to to
Speaker 1: completely see it for her because she hasn't really been
Speaker 1: connected to the community, right, Like, she really wasn't really
Speaker 1: connected to the community until after she came out and
Speaker 1: and said that she was trans um to the world
Speaker 1: UM and and in a lot of ways, I think
Speaker 1: it didn't necessarily erase but it kind of spoke over
Speaker 1: a lot of the work that had been done by
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have been in the media
Speaker 1: UM specifically people like of course Verne Cox and Janet
Speaker 1: mock and and others, people who actually like have made
Speaker 1: it their mission to infuse their identity and to their
Speaker 1: work and be very open and authentic. UM. I think
Speaker 1: that that's something she wants to do, but I think
Speaker 1: it takes more than just saying your spokes for person
Speaker 1: like it's hard work to be a public speaker on transitiones,
Speaker 1: like you have to do research, you have to read,
Speaker 1: you have to be in community with other people, and
Speaker 1: and have these hard discussions you know before you you know,
Speaker 1: just taking upon yourself. Um. But the other thing that
Speaker 1: too is I think I don't want to put this
Speaker 1: on her, but a lot of times it feels like,
Speaker 1: because of where she is in her transition, UM, that
Speaker 1: she has a lot of essentialist ideas about gender UM.
Speaker 1: And I get the part of her being a media figure,
Speaker 1: but when it comes to basing your womanhood or at
Speaker 1: least talking about your womanhood purely from an aesthetic standpoint
Speaker 1: or purely from UM, this kind of I have to
Speaker 1: be hyper feminine because that's the only way I can
Speaker 1: be respected is somewhat damaging to the community that has
Speaker 1: a growing population of non bind arian gender queer individuals
Speaker 1: who don't necessarily fall within the gender binarya of uh
Speaker 1: woman or man strictly. UM. So I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the one of my maids or critiques. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: in the interview, this was with Time Magazine right in
Speaker 1: early December, she says, what I call my presentation, I
Speaker 1: try to take that. Seriously, I think it puts people
Speaker 1: at ease if you look like a man in address.
Speaker 1: That makes people uncomfortable. And it was those words in
Speaker 1: particular that people were like, are you Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Like you haven't been a part of this community visibly
Speaker 1: or supporting this community, and you're just gonna come out
Speaker 1: and say things like this that are so focused on appearance.
Speaker 1: And in a letter an open letter to Caitlyn Jenner,
Speaker 1: Bryan Tannehill, who's SPARTAT Director of Advocacy, said, you're coming
Speaker 1: to accept yourself. That's cool, but before you can be
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the community, you need to learn to
Speaker 1: accept and empathize with the community at large. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: path you are traveling will make learning that empathy and
Speaker 1: gaining that cultural knowledge so much harder in length here,
Speaker 1: which is why, with all the love and respect I
Speaker 1: have for you as a sister, I believe you should
Speaker 1: take a step backwards or at least sideways. What you're
Speaker 1: doing doesn't seem to be working. And Caitlyn Jenner did
Speaker 1: come out and release a statement being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do have a little bit to learn well, and
Speaker 1: I mean, is there any conflict as well? Over the
Speaker 1: fact that her politics are very conservative to not that
Speaker 1: you can't be a transgender Republican, but it does seem
Speaker 1: like some of her some of it is at odds
Speaker 1: in terms of her what her platforms definitely, and I
Speaker 1: actually I I tweeted about this um probably last week.
Speaker 1: UM Mike addicted to Twitter now for some reason. But
Speaker 1: the tweet was saying that, you know, it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: for you to be a spokesperson for a community if
Speaker 1: you don't even ide to fire with them politically. And
Speaker 1: when I say politically, like I mean in terms of
Speaker 1: LGBTQ issues, right, Like you can't because she in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways says that she's a spokesperson for the
Speaker 1: entire LGBTQ community, like oftentimes she doesn't even necessarily like
Speaker 1: specify just the trans community. But I think moments like
Speaker 1: on Ellen when she was talking about gay marriage or
Speaker 1: same sex marriage and saying how she didn't really like
Speaker 1: agree with it and and really backpedaled a lot around it.
Speaker 1: It was very difficult because we are still having so
Speaker 1: many conversations within the LGBTQ community about whether trans people
Speaker 1: should even be included right, And people have had like
Speaker 1: the drop the t campaign on change dot Org and
Speaker 1: all of these different kind of conversations. So it's really
Speaker 1: opening a lot of wounds and a lot of conversations
Speaker 1: that we need to have, but in a very kind
Speaker 1: of hap hazard and just deal with that kind of way. Well,
Speaker 1: it strikes me one. I think there's a weird double
Speaker 1: edged sort at play right in terms of her visibility
Speaker 1: both before and after she came out as a trans woman.
Speaker 1: That one, she's in a universe that is very esthetics driven,
Speaker 1: so there's this weird layer to the onion of like,
Speaker 1: of course you would say that she's been conditioned in
Speaker 1: the you know community that she's been in and you know,
Speaker 1: reality television, etcetera like, But then there's this other thing
Speaker 1: where because she has this fame, there's like a double
Speaker 1: play there where people are sort of like, of course
Speaker 1: you're going to be an advocate. You're so visible and
Speaker 1: this is your But I feel like somebody skipped the
Speaker 1: media training portion for her, where I'm like, you could
Speaker 1: be this is a really great opportunity and you could
Speaker 1: say like I am new and I am learning and
Speaker 1: you can learn with me. But instead there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like weird bombs coming out where you're like wait,
Speaker 1: oh please, no, oh, please be quiet, just from somebody
Speaker 1: tell her the not just the media training, but also
Speaker 1: maybe the history lesson to like there's it seems it
Speaker 1: feels like from the outside, there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: missing context going into some of these conversations. And I
Speaker 1: think it's very difficult for the public to tease a
Speaker 1: part that nuance, right, um, because people see her narrative
Speaker 1: as in a lot of ways as that singular trans narrative. Now, um,
Speaker 1: just because she has the loudest voice, she has the
Speaker 1: biggest platform. And I think it's even more damaging because
Speaker 1: people can't tease out that just because your trans, that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're superficial. And that has been a
Speaker 1: trope for the longest time is that trans women in
Speaker 1: particular base their womanhood based off of how they look
Speaker 1: and how much they can quote unquote path or half
Speaker 1: passing privilege, or what they wear and what they play
Speaker 1: with as a kid. And and the truth is a
Speaker 1: lot of trans women don't For a lot of trans women,
Speaker 1: they don't even have access to those things because of
Speaker 1: the barriers economically and socially. A lot of trans women
Speaker 1: will never be able to afford hormones, will never be
Speaker 1: able to afford the surgeries that they may or may
Speaker 1: not want. Um. And it's just it's really sad that
Speaker 1: how this media moment has perpetuated a lot of those stereotypes.
Speaker 1: So do you think overall that was a good year
Speaker 1: for trans issues or kind of not so much. That's
Speaker 1: a very difficult question. It's yeah, it's hard to put
Speaker 1: it like an either or on that, right, Like, at
Speaker 1: least now like I can be like, hey, I'm transgender
Speaker 1: and people will be will kind of know, like it's
Speaker 1: it's not like nine out of him people being like
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Are you like a mechanic or
Speaker 1: something or or something weird? Um? Like now I think
Speaker 1: at least like four out of ten people though, But
Speaker 1: so I I think it has been a mixed bag.
Speaker 1: I think visibility is at an increase um And but
Speaker 1: also with that that hyper visibility, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of violence that we are seeing. I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: if there's been more violence. People have been saying that,
Speaker 1: but I think it's hard to say that because now
Speaker 1: that we're actually covering the violence that it will probably
Speaker 1: seem like there's more violence, but really there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of violence the whole entire way. People just didn't
Speaker 1: know that it was because people were trans So yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so my first one. It's gonna sound like I'm plugging
Speaker 1: our show. I'm not. It's just super exciting to me.
Speaker 1: Um So the United States Chief Technology Officer Megan Smith
Speaker 1: earlier this year, she and her team sort of put
Speaker 1: together this really cool initiative based on the fact that
Speaker 1: she is also a history buff and one of the
Speaker 1: first things she did when she got into her position
Speaker 1: was to go to the National Archives and say that
Speaker 1: she wanted to see the Declaration of Sentiments, which is
Speaker 1: the first women's rights document ever drafted at Seneca Falls
Speaker 1: in and the archivist was like, I can't help you.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that, but they didn't have it. And
Speaker 1: it was kind of pre when like the National Archives
Speaker 1: was was doing all of that sort of like maintaining
Speaker 1: and documenting of all things. So we don't know where
Speaker 1: this document is. Nobody knows where it is. Like archivists
Speaker 1: throughout the United States and the world have all been
Speaker 1: trying to work together to find out if anybody has
Speaker 1: this document. No one does, so um Megan and one
Speaker 1: of her colleagues, Lindsley Host, kind of started a crowdsourcing
Speaker 1: approach to it of like, Okay, let's make this like
Speaker 1: a treasure hunt for everyone, because somebody has a connection
Speaker 1: to this document somewhere. I mean many people do. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of us that live in the United States
Speaker 1: probably have grandmothers or great grandmothers or great great grandmothers
Speaker 1: there were somehow related to people that were there. Um,
Speaker 1: So what they're doing is they're having people who might
Speaker 1: know anything about the Seneca Falls Convention, any little piece
Speaker 1: of history that slipped through the cracks. It could be
Speaker 1: a clue anything that is maybe lost in terms of
Speaker 1: women's history. To share that on social media with the
Speaker 1: hashtag find the Sentiments. I just think this is the
Speaker 1: coolest thing. It's the smartest way to approach, uh, this
Speaker 1: sort of history that's sort of a little bit lost.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know what they said, we have reproductions
Speaker 1: of it, but we don't have the original. And along
Speaker 1: the way, there are so many other beautiful little details
Speaker 1: that are coming out about other things like little lapel
Speaker 1: pins that were made for it, and and all of
Speaker 1: this great stuff. And I feel like in terms of um,
Speaker 1: you know, for women in I wish it had greater visibility.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm like the proselytizer on this because
Speaker 1: I have not stopped talking about it since they reached
Speaker 1: out to our podcast about it, um and we're doing
Speaker 1: some other stuff around it here how stuff works. But
Speaker 1: I just what a smart way to like, actually get
Speaker 1: people involved, get people excited about history, get people excited
Speaker 1: about women's history, and they do a lot to connect,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't just for women, it's this was a
Speaker 1: document that was not only women were there, not only
Speaker 1: women signed it. It's really a big part of American
Speaker 1: history and really world history. Because heads up for anybody
Speaker 1: that reads that document. Uh, those rights that they claim
Speaker 1: we need, we don't have them yet the hundred and
Speaker 1: sixties seven years ago and we're still fighting for a
Speaker 1: lot of these. Uh So that's pretty fascinating. My other one,
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna sound crack pop, but you have
Speaker 1: to come with me on this one. It's Star Wars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because ever since Kathleen Kennedy was named president of Lucasfilm
Speaker 1: and if you don't know her, you do know her. Um,
Speaker 1: she has produced pretty much every film that shaped you
Speaker 1: as a child, like et Raiders Jurassic Park. She's worked
Speaker 1: with Spielberg forever, She's worked with the Mechas on a
Speaker 1: kajillion projects. She is amazing, and she really takes into
Speaker 1: account her leadership position and how it can be used
Speaker 1: to mentor others. And one of the things as people
Speaker 1: they know, uh, is that Star Wars, This new Star
Speaker 1: Wars film, The Force Awakens, has a much more diverse
Speaker 1: cast than any previous one, and a lot of that
Speaker 1: is putting women into roles that they previously haven't had.
Speaker 1: There's a great, great, great great article in l A
Speaker 1: Times from recently about the women of Star Wars. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that really like spoke to me,
Speaker 1: I mean almost like in that way that you catch
Speaker 1: your breath and you're like, holy crap, I never thought
Speaker 1: about it that way is Gwendolyn Christie talking about meeting
Speaker 1: with Kathleen Kennedy and Kathleen Kennedy saying, hey, have you
Speaker 1: ever googled um movie heroin to see what comes up?
Speaker 1: And Gwendeln Christie was like no, and She's like, let
Speaker 1: me do it for you, and it was all like
Speaker 1: exactly what you kind of think of like women in
Speaker 1: skimpy outfits, and and she was like, you and I
Speaker 1: are the people that can help change this conversation. And
Speaker 1: she's trying to like without she's not one of those
Speaker 1: people that gets She's got this beautiful way about her
Speaker 1: where she can kind of push these these things around
Speaker 1: a little bit and get some movement in there and
Speaker 1: get women in there without it being like I'm making
Speaker 1: this a women's issue. She's just trying to make the
Speaker 1: movies look a little bit more like the real world.
Speaker 1: It's very beautiful to me and very cool. And I
Speaker 1: just aprey, like I've never been more excited or proud
Speaker 1: to be a Star Wars fan to know that, like
Speaker 1: we're in this whole new era. And I love all
Speaker 1: of the movies, but I just feel like this is
Speaker 1: a really cool time when you consider Variety just put
Speaker 1: out an article that Star Wars right now, which we're
Speaker 1: recording this opening weekend has sold more tickets already than
Speaker 1: any movie ever of all time in its run. Really,
Speaker 1: so like that's pretty important when you think about, like
Speaker 1: the star of the film is a woman, and she
Speaker 1: is a pilot, which is historically the revered position in
Speaker 1: star Wars and it's important and it's good to know
Speaker 1: that lots of people are going and they're getting eyeballs
Speaker 1: on this, and why are they're conscious of it or not?
Speaker 1: They're seeing women in ways that they have never seen
Speaker 1: in sci fi before. How maybe never? I don't want
Speaker 1: to be too broad, but how has the Star Wars
Speaker 1: fan base at large reacted to all of the focus
Speaker 1: on women in this movie, because I'm thinking about the
Speaker 1: backlash too, things like the all female Ghostbusters, like, don't
Speaker 1: you don't have to you know, pigeonhole women in here,
Speaker 1: you're ruining it. Uh. There are definitely some crabby patties
Speaker 1: in the herd, but I mean there's gonna be any
Speaker 1: time you like shift the balance in anything that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. There were people that were angry when the
Speaker 1: first teaser trailer came out and John Boyega was the
Speaker 1: first thing they saw and they were like a black
Speaker 1: man in Star Wars, that's a stormtroopers. Stormtroopers are clones, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you think that you need to
Speaker 1: brush up, but clone troopers are cloned. Stormtroopers are recruited.
Speaker 1: They're now they're because I just rewatched all six nice episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I had the same thought of like, well, like
Speaker 1: it's great that this guy is a Stormtrooper, but here
Speaker 1: they're cloning this like guy from New Zealand or something. Well,
Speaker 1: they don't all stay Maori forever. They diversified later on
Speaker 1: when they could because later because I was like, well,
Speaker 1: the Stormtroopers are white and gee count briefly and it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a spoiler, not about the new
Speaker 1: movie but about the things outside of the movies. But
Speaker 1: in the cloning facility got damaged, got destroyed at one point.
Speaker 1: Um that's the very short version. But so they couldn't well, okay,
Speaker 1: this is it all makes sense. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there have been some people and there has been some backlash.
Speaker 1: There have also been some gay characters introduced in the literature,
Speaker 1: and people have gotten really hored about that. But in
Speaker 1: the most subtle way, it's so funny. It's almost like
Speaker 1: if you read all of that criticism first and then
Speaker 1: you go in and you read it, you're like, this
Speaker 1: isn't really It's like the most casual throwaway mentions. It's
Speaker 1: not a big deal. But so with women, I mean,
Speaker 1: the female fans are excited beyond measure, because it's like
Speaker 1: a big myth that chicks haven't been into Star Wars proof, Hello,
Speaker 1: where does that even come from? I think just because
Speaker 1: it's this space that I don't know, sci fi has
Speaker 1: historically been the realm of boys and men, even though
Speaker 1: not really. I mean I was always reading that stuff
Speaker 1: as a kid, and now it's just exciting to see
Speaker 1: it look a little bit more like my world. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why that was a myth, but it
Speaker 1: is pretty exciting. We're still working on the toy thing,
Speaker 1: you know, they still haven't evened out in that arena,
Speaker 1: but uh, I think most fans are pretty excited. Certainly
Speaker 1: female fans are really excited, and most of my I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't think of any of my friends that are
Speaker 1: male that are troubled by but they probably wouldn't be
Speaker 1: my friends if they were. So I know a few
Speaker 1: people who I who have never really delved into Star
Speaker 1: Wars but watched the whole thing just because of this
Speaker 1: one ye, And I think part of it is that
Speaker 1: diversity piece of like just seeing themselves in it. Um,
Speaker 1: because there there was never anything about Star Wars that
Speaker 1: didn't say that it wasn't for everyone, but I think
Speaker 1: seeing those faiths on poster different things have been like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, this this is kind of for me too.
Speaker 1: I did have to laugh sort of related around h
Speaker 1: So you know, Lapitte and Nyongo is in it plays
Speaker 1: a CG character. And someone said something to j j
Speaker 1: Abrams about during their big press junket a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago about it's such a pity she's so beautiful,
Speaker 1: and he said, would it be okay if she were
Speaker 1: an ugly woman? He was like, what are you like?
Speaker 1: And it was just one of those moments. Viously, thank
Speaker 1: you for pointing out that like, pretty women should of
Speaker 1: course be on camera and ugly women should not. Like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not it's stunts creativity to think that way, And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very excited in that campus saying the
Speaker 1: right things. JJ did make a weird thing about Star
Speaker 1: Wars used to be for boys and Leader came back.
Speaker 1: It was like, that was stupid wording. What I meant
Speaker 1: is that that's always been the perception. But overall, the
Speaker 1: message coming out of lucasfilm has been so cool lately
Speaker 1: about like, no, we know you're out there, ladies, we
Speaker 1: want to bring you into the fold if you're not
Speaker 1: already here, and if you are here, we want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that you've been here. I love it. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up watching Star Wars on laser disc.
Speaker 1: I have it on my dad. Yeah, so to see
Speaker 1: my dad has a here laser disc collection. And the
Speaker 1: thing is, it's the originals. It's not like well with
Speaker 1: all the nineties edits added to it, and so I've
Speaker 1: wanted to go back and rewatch them, but I think
Speaker 1: my father would have to probably clean out his roommber
Speaker 1: the garage where the big screen TV and laser displayers
Speaker 1: before I could actually do that. I'm not sure where
Speaker 1: LaserDisc player is right now, Holly, Well, because we don't
Speaker 1: use it very often. No, I know that's shocking, and
Speaker 1: we moved at one point, so it's somewhere but the
Speaker 1: other and then I'll be done with Star Wars, I promise.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I've really enjoyed void And everybody's
Speaker 1: talked about how hilarious and fun Carrie Fisher has been
Speaker 1: on this press junket, but I really feel like she
Speaker 1: is doing this wonderful thing because she's acknowledging, like, hey,
Speaker 1: people have been dogging me because I don't look like
Speaker 1: I looked when I was twenty, and like, guess what,
Speaker 1: you get older and stuff happens, and like this is life.
Speaker 1: And she's really kind of like not letting people forget
Speaker 1: that this is a jacked up situation where people just
Speaker 1: judge women on their appearance and they don't allow them
Speaker 1: to age. And I just love her because she just
Speaker 1: you know, she always says she thinks in her mouth,
Speaker 1: like it really does just all right out and you
Speaker 1: don't always know where it's going. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: a wonderful conversation starter, I think, to have someone that
Speaker 1: blunt and honest about it just blurt it out at
Speaker 1: every possible point where a microphone is in her face,
Speaker 1: like someone's at least opening this particular Pandora's box. Well,
Speaker 1: you mentioned something about it being revolutionary to include diverse
Speaker 1: cast of characters both in terms of gender, race, ethnicity,
Speaker 1: uh whatever, in Star Wars, and I think that that
Speaker 1: holds true for another uh special show that came out
Speaker 1: this year, which is Jessica Jones. How revolutionary it was
Speaker 1: the fact that so many women we're on screen. I
Speaker 1: was watching and there was one particular scene where people
Speaker 1: are running through a hospital and there's cops and there's
Speaker 1: doctors and nurses and all sorts of people like average
Speaker 1: patients and whatever. And I looked at my boyfriend. I
Speaker 1: was like, all those people are women. Look at all
Speaker 1: those people, they're women. People like that. That police officer,
Speaker 1: that's a woman. That doctor over there, that's a woman too.
Speaker 1: And this this wonderful, fabulous, completely flawed, angry, heavy drinking
Speaker 1: heroin also a lady person. Yeah. Uh there was a
Speaker 1: male journalist. Oh and I'm forgetting who it was. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm sorry who tweeted something really beautiful where he said
Speaker 1: something in the effect of I'm watching Jessica Jones and
Speaker 1: the guys are all relegated to being sex objects or wait,
Speaker 1: is this how women feel all the time? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you are awesome. Uh. Yeah, it's exciting to see a
Speaker 1: show that really puts its money behind the idea that,
Speaker 1: you know, a female driven sort of superhero property can
Speaker 1: do just fine. So, but how funny would say a
Speaker 1: black Widow movie wouldn't make buck I think you're fools. Well,
Speaker 1: how funny though that we have to even talk about
Speaker 1: this in terms of revolutionary but literally like using the
Speaker 1: word you're like, oh my god, like a black stormtrooper
Speaker 1: and like a woman in the lead role. Like revolutionary.
Speaker 1: Oh I hate that it's well about to now and
Speaker 1: that we're still talking about just making a cast of
Speaker 1: characters in a movie look like real life. That that's revolutionary. So, Caroline,
Speaker 1: what was your high point? Um? Probably back in June
Speaker 1: with same sex marriage getting through the Supreme Court. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was one of those days where it's like everything stopping.
Speaker 1: I'm stopping everything, I'm going to do nothing but obsessively
Speaker 1: look at social media and posts like rainbow flag pictures
Speaker 1: and pictures of people waving rainbow flags and hugging and
Speaker 1: and it was just so special that that whole day
Speaker 1: felt so special, And driving around in my car later
Speaker 1: that night and being at a red light and I
Speaker 1: remember just going people can get married. Everyone can get married,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like we we finally. It doesn't feel real,
Speaker 1: like people can finally marry the person that they love.
Speaker 1: And and there's no like ifs answer butts. Obviously, there's
Speaker 1: still workplace discrimination issues that need to be worked out,
Speaker 1: and and there's some still some very serious issues of
Speaker 1: discrimination that need to be worked out in rep presentation.
Speaker 1: But the fact that like, oh, people can just get married,
Speaker 1: that too feels such a small thing of like I
Speaker 1: am marriage whatever, I can get married, or I won't
Speaker 1: get married or whatever. That is revolutionary too, and it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful thing to witness. Did you spend all
Speaker 1: day like I did, watching the courtroom video feeds of
Speaker 1: like just hundreds of couples getting married, one after another,
Speaker 1: em bawling at your desk. I didn't. I wasn't looking
Speaker 1: at any feeds. I was just refreshing lots of articles,
Speaker 1: looking at pictures, and just getting weepy, honestly as people
Speaker 1: kissed after they signed all of the paperwork and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just got a little weepy. I get choked up
Speaker 1: just thinking about it, you know, because I can't it's
Speaker 1: so hot, especially because I'm hetero and so I have
Speaker 1: never had to deal with the concept that, like I
Speaker 1: couldn't go to like a regular munday like chain restaurant
Speaker 1: and hold the person I loved hands. But when you
Speaker 1: think about it in those terms like that, like you know,
Speaker 1: don't act like you're actually with the person you're with,
Speaker 1: and put that's horrifying to think about to me, and
Speaker 1: it would just be like the most painful life to live.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that there are steps happening. We're still
Speaker 1: not all the way there, but we're That was a
Speaker 1: huge one. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was amazing as
Speaker 1: someone who grew up as a little gay boy, or
Speaker 1: I thought I was a little gay boy. Um it
Speaker 1: I was in bed, it was I was working from
Speaker 1: home that day, so I had just had my computer
Speaker 1: in front of me and I checked the Huffings and
Speaker 1: Post of all things, um, and it was just like
Speaker 1: I can't remember the headline, but I just remember on
Speaker 1: the end side just being like no way, no, no.
Speaker 1: I think I also like close the browser and then
Speaker 1: I opened it back up just to like make sure
Speaker 1: that it actually happened. Um. And it was so cute
Speaker 1: because my mom like texted me at like a couple
Speaker 1: of hours after that and she was like, did you
Speaker 1: hear about the news? And I was like, you mean
Speaker 1: the same sex marriage passed and she was like yes,
Speaker 1: isn't that amazing? And as someone who like struggled with
Speaker 1: my parents over like them understanding and this sapping and
Speaker 1: all that for years, like, it was just that amazing
Speaker 1: kind of like full circle moment of like, look at this,
Speaker 1: good can happen? Right, Like, I just felt so much
Speaker 1: happier about the future, and I still think about it
Speaker 1: sometimes and I'm like, everyone can get married. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is an amazing thing. There's so much more work
Speaker 1: to be done, but that's an amazing thing. Caroline. That
Speaker 1: was my high point too. We did not plan this,
Speaker 1: We didn't. It's like how we're always dressed alife. We're
Speaker 1: both just in footie pajamas right now. It's really adorable
Speaker 1: covered in tampons. You know, weird. It's weird that we
Speaker 1: both picked the tampon pajamas today. Actually not weird. But
Speaker 1: I did pull an excerpt from Justice Kennedy's opinion because
Speaker 1: it was so beautifully written and should I read it?
Speaker 1: You want to here a little? Okay? So he wrote,
Speaker 1: no union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies
Speaker 1: the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family.
Speaker 1: Informing a marital union, two people become something greater than
Speaker 1: they once were. Their hope is not to be condemned
Speaker 1: to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization's oldest institutions.
Speaker 1: They asked for equal dignity in the eyes of the law,
Speaker 1: and the Constitution grants them that right. And I just
Speaker 1: got chills reading it. It's so exciting. It's still so exciting.
Speaker 1: And um also just great to remember that that happened,
Speaker 1: because recent months have been filled with all sorts of
Speaker 1: just political nastiness. So it's nice to have something to
Speaker 1: look back on to say, hey, Okay, we did something
Speaker 1: good America in UM. And I also want to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to the Women's World Cup and the
Speaker 1: U S team because that was a great moment for
Speaker 1: women women in sports. UM. That finals game was the
Speaker 1: highest rated soccer event ever ever men's women's UM. So
Speaker 1: it was just it was such a cool moment and
Speaker 1: we want back just retired and she's a total badass.
Speaker 1: And of course it also raised issues of Turk disparities
Speaker 1: and gender discrimination and uh wage gaps. But it started conversations,
Speaker 1: important conversations and gave a whole generation of girls role
Speaker 1: models and you know, like adult podcast or ladies too.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I'd take offense at being called an adult.
Speaker 1: Not comfortable with that language. UM well, okay, speaking of
Speaker 1: things were not comfortable with. Thank you for the for
Speaker 1: the segue Holly, Yeah, you didn't realize you're doing that,
Speaker 1: do we did? You guys have any like low points
Speaker 1: of the year that maybe stuck out to you that
Speaker 1: you want to harp on or maybe quickly brush over
Speaker 1: because they suck so bad. There's kind of a creeping lowness,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? There's because we are in,
Speaker 1: as Christian just mentioned, like a gross political time. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion of lady parts and legislation around them.
Speaker 1: But what troubles me most is that we are in
Speaker 1: this weird, divisive time as a country where instead of
Speaker 1: like hearing someone who disagrees with you and we've all
Speaker 1: been guilty, I'm not you know, throwing under anyone under
Speaker 1: the bus or judging. It's like the reaction is always
Speaker 1: a little bit defensive and as a consequence, like I'm
Speaker 1: a little concerned, Like when I see someone bring up
Speaker 1: an idea of like, hey, you know, this image is interesting,
Speaker 1: but I it vibes a little sexist to me, and
Speaker 1: I really and when I see women jump in and
Speaker 1: go no, it's not it's a joke. You're being ridiculous,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you guys, just wait just hang on,
Speaker 1: chill for a minute, hear what they're saying. Like you
Speaker 1: may or may not agree, but they have a point
Speaker 1: of view that is, you know, informed by their life,
Speaker 1: and if they're seeing that, it's worth at least considering
Speaker 1: in a thoughtful way rather than just shouting everything down,
Speaker 1: which is happening across every possible topic right now. But
Speaker 1: it does trouble me when someone brings up like hey,
Speaker 1: I think this might be sexist, and women really jump
Speaker 1: right in to defend it. Now. Granted, there's always situations
Speaker 1: where people are a little cookie and that's fine too,
Speaker 1: but I just the the attack mode all the time
Speaker 1: is very troubling to me. And I think that's sort
Speaker 1: of that perpetuating creep that I feel this year has
Speaker 1: been really fraught with. Yeah, I mean, I think we're
Speaker 1: at a point where it seems politically like you you
Speaker 1: have to almost be one thing or another and be
Speaker 1: angry about it and be almost yelling at somebody who
Speaker 1: has a differing opinion. It seems like there is that
Speaker 1: lack of listening, lack of understanding, and it also seems
Speaker 1: like as many great things happened this year, they also
Speaker 1: come with thing negative, So I mean, you have all
Speaker 1: of these terrible debates over um, the Confederate flag and
Speaker 1: it's heritage not hate. We should still be able to
Speaker 1: fly it, and and all of these disgusting arguments around it.
Speaker 1: And you have the violence in Charleston where innocent people
Speaker 1: were killed. Um, But then you have someone like Brenewso
Speaker 1: who climbs the flagpole at the Capitol Building in Columbia,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, and it was such a beautiful I mean,
Speaker 1: talk about another moment where I got like Tiria and
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, look at this woman.
Speaker 1: If she is superhero, she's just because I went to
Speaker 1: school my freshman year in Columbia, South Carolina, and I
Speaker 1: remember going by the state House and being like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Like it was two thousand two, you know,
Speaker 1: people are still it's two thousand two, people who are
Speaker 1: still flying the Confederate flag? Are you kidding me? And
Speaker 1: so to see it finally come down, but come down
Speaker 1: because a woman was just like, screw all all, I'm
Speaker 1: getting up there and I'm taking it down. It was
Speaker 1: such a beautiful moment. But all of that was paired
Speaker 1: with such awfulness and hurt and pain at the same time. Well,
Speaker 1: what I loved especially about her that kind of illustrates
Speaker 1: the point I was being earlier is that when she
Speaker 1: came down, she was very cooperative. She's like, I understand
Speaker 1: it broke the law. That's fine, arrest me. I'm good.
Speaker 1: It's like she was hearing their point of view, but
Speaker 1: she was like, I just want to show you mine
Speaker 1: in a very big way. I loved it. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: like the real Jessica Jones. Yeah, we have less alcohol problems.
Speaker 1: Maybe some not so much with the addiction and violence
Speaker 1: issues in her life, but with the bad exactly. You
Speaker 1: can't make an omelet without breaking it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think my um slow creative. This maybe completely missing
Speaker 1: mark with this question, but um, I've been talking a lot,
Speaker 1: of course about politics with friends, and a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends are like, Hilary is definitely gonna win the election.
Speaker 1: And for me, I think the thing that I worry
Speaker 1: most about that is I've been kind of thinking about
Speaker 1: how people are going to talk about feminism and gender equality,
Speaker 1: you know, if she does win, right, because we've seen
Speaker 1: with Barack Obama and the whole idea of a pulse
Speaker 1: racial society and racism doesn't exist, and then it's like, well,
Speaker 1: look at like racism is alive and well, like guest
Speaker 1: starring on every feature this year. But I just think about,
Speaker 1: you know, what will that mean because people will say,
Speaker 1: you know, she is in the highest position of the
Speaker 1: free world. I hate that term, um, and and that
Speaker 1: that means that women don't really have it that hard,
Speaker 1: right and that gender is irrelevant now and and so
Speaker 1: I wonder what that conversation will look like. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: so if we're looking at Okay, we have a black
Speaker 1: president finally, um, and if people were claiming that we
Speaker 1: were in a post racial society because of that, they're
Speaker 1: certainly not claiming that anymore. But I mean at the moment,
Speaker 1: you also have Black Lives Matter going on in protests
Speaker 1: after protests going on across this country. So clearly we
Speaker 1: have issues that we still have to address there in
Speaker 1: terms of race. And I think it would be no
Speaker 1: different if if Hillary were to become president. Great, we
Speaker 1: finally have a woman in the White House, like this
Speaker 1: is amazing, But at the same time, we're still having
Speaker 1: the planned parenthood violence. We're still having clinics getting bomb
Speaker 1: doctors being killed, women being harassed. Um, whether they're seeking
Speaker 1: abortions or not. We just for making choices about their bodies.
Speaker 1: Um And so, I mean I would argue that that's
Speaker 1: sort of the parallel about like, black president doesn't mean
Speaker 1: post racial society. We're still we still have open wounds
Speaker 1: in this country. We still have policies that need to shift,
Speaker 1: we still have things we need to fix. Same thing
Speaker 1: if we had a woman president, obviously there's still, you know,
Speaker 1: this ongoing war on women and their choices about their bodies,
Speaker 1: about their families, and about their lives. And I think,
Speaker 1: if anything, the having a black president has only made
Speaker 1: racism in America even more visible, and if we have
Speaker 1: a female president, it will only make sexism, misogyny, and
Speaker 1: the outright hatred of women even more visible. I think
Speaker 1: it only will intensify, and partially because of social media,
Speaker 1: because everybody can yell and um, control your comments. Um. So,
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of anticipate things getting worse rather
Speaker 1: than better in a way in terms of that whole
Speaker 1: environment when she is elected. If she's elected, excuse me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: We'll check back with you and see if you are
Speaker 1: the master predictor. I hope that it you know, somehow
Speaker 1: magically dawns on people that oh, look, this is this
Speaker 1: is great. Quality is a wonderful thing. Let's hold hands.
Speaker 1: But I doubt it. You know, you got to go
Speaker 1: through that horrible sort of trial by fire portion and
Speaker 1: then sometime down the road that will have blazed that path,
Speaker 1: so there it will calm down. But I think, yes,
Speaker 1: it's going to be horrifying for a while. Well, it's
Speaker 1: also just been interesting, even within more liberal circles this
Speaker 1: year to kind of have all these conversations around political
Speaker 1: correctness going on, in questions with that of like, at
Speaker 1: what point is all of this you know, awareness and
Speaker 1: calling out of things like just too much? And are
Speaker 1: we impinging on free speech and enough with trigger warnings already.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of, uh, it's definitely caught my attention
Speaker 1: how these conversations are happening across the board, and I
Speaker 1: think across you know, the whole political spectrum um. And
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of patients for PC um argument,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think we're all kind of grappling with
Speaker 1: a lot of things, and a lot of it is
Speaker 1: for a good reason that we I mean, I think
Speaker 1: people are forced to pay attention to intersectionality and be
Speaker 1: held accountable for them um in ways that they haven't
Speaker 1: been been before, largely thanks to social media. And that's
Speaker 1: I think where you get the kicking and screaming. It's
Speaker 1: people who are finally confronted with like, hey, like you've
Speaker 1: got to include other people. We don't live in a
Speaker 1: world where it's just white men. We live in a
Speaker 1: world that is so colorful and so multifaceted, and it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be anything but that. It should only be colorful
Speaker 1: and multifaceted, and other people's voices are just as important
Speaker 1: and other people deserve to be heard. And so I
Speaker 1: think there is an element of the population that nothing
Speaker 1: is being taken away from them, but they feel that
Speaker 1: just because other people are finally getting a platform and
Speaker 1: a voice and using their megaphones, They're like, you're you're
Speaker 1: taking away my comfort zone level and you know that,
Speaker 1: And that feels like something's physically being taken away from
Speaker 1: them just because other people are talking. And it's not
Speaker 1: just straight white dudes who are having those issues either too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's you get down across the
Speaker 1: board talk about conversations and feminism. White feminism is a
Speaker 1: big issue this year. Yes, well, and as we com
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, in the LGBTQ community, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, different factions developing, and they do not always agree,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of stuff going on there that
Speaker 1: is the same thing, just gonna. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't have the magic everybody be cool, wand but I
Speaker 1: wish I did. Let I'll hear it out, like one
Speaker 1: person's speech doesn't diminish your opportunity to speak. And I
Speaker 1: think some people, like sometimes the most dangerous people are
Speaker 1: the people who have been impressed, right because they felt
Speaker 1: like they're absolved from this idea that they can impress
Speaker 1: other people. Um and and I guess particularly when we're
Speaker 1: talking about privilege and that like sliding scale, like as
Speaker 1: a black woman, like it's so hard you know to
Speaker 1: talk about white feminism sometimes in feminist spaces to talk
Speaker 1: about black hyper masculinity and and how you know, black
Speaker 1: women often don't have a space even within the black community.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's really difficult to bridge that gap of like, yes,
Speaker 1: you can oppress people and be oppressed at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I do it too, you know, like I have
Speaker 1: my privileges. There's no tone Paul at all. Well, and
Speaker 1: I think you've sort of highlighted part of the problem
Speaker 1: is that there is a lot of subtlety and range.
Speaker 1: So part of the vehemence issue that's going on that
Speaker 1: we're talking about, I think is that it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to peel those onions, like you can't always see all
Speaker 1: the angles, and people often make verbal missteps just out
Speaker 1: of you know, kind ignorance. They're not meaning to say
Speaker 1: the wrong things, but it's like we've reached this point
Speaker 1: where everyone is so tired of trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out that they'll just yell instead, like it's easier to
Speaker 1: just pick one talking point and go hold hog with that,
Speaker 1: like they're just gunning it. I think that's part of
Speaker 1: like the seed of this ongoing problem we have of
Speaker 1: lack of communication and kind of just yelling your point
Speaker 1: of view rather than wanting to hear anyone else's crying.
Speaker 1: While we're on killing that a lot of people crying.
Speaker 1: If everyone could just get in a podcast studio, sit
Speaker 1: around a friendly table, have a friendly conversation with Holly's
Speaker 1: wand be cool. Just be cool, that's that's really asked,
Speaker 1: that it would be cool one I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: wield power. That's what I love about it. Just be cool,
Speaker 1: mis and dress right. I called back yesterday. It haven't
Speaker 1: been a while. What mom did it or do you
Speaker 1: want to go into it? I don't even remember. I
Speaker 1: always have people on my mentions on Twitter like I
Speaker 1: just I give up for this week. She gets up
Speaker 1: for right the second, but a couple of seconds from now. Well,
Speaker 1: Holly and Raquel, thank you so much for coming to
Speaker 1: talk to us today. You know you're always welcoming to
Speaker 1: stuff I've never told the studio. It's a delight. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna start stomping in in the middle of your record.
Speaker 1: What's up? I think about Star Wars totally or Queen
Speaker 1: Victoria Vick girl. I'll just shimmy in the background. I've
Speaker 1: been known to inspire people with my shimming. Of course,
Speaker 1: we'll just have like a glitter kid and we come
Speaker 1: in with periodically be cool ones and and inspirational shimmying.
Speaker 1: Thank you, so, Riquel. Where can people find you on
Speaker 1: the internet. You can find me on Twitter at Raquel
Speaker 1: Willis Underscore. You can find me on I G. The
Speaker 1: Graham Instagram at Raquel Underscore, Willis you can find me
Speaker 1: pretty much anywhere. And also Raquel Willis dot com. I
Speaker 1: actually launched that like about a month ago. I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of it. So yeah, and for the shimmying, I
Speaker 1: think it's really I should do a guift of me
Speaker 1: to send ye oh my god. And I can illustrate
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