Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You From House Supports
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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. And Caroline, there's um something I've been
Speaker 1: needing to tell you. Oh, you know, just I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know that if you're out on
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Speaker 1: to do is call on me and I'll be there
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Speaker 1: Oh hey, friends, it's a Gilmore Girls episode. If you
Speaker 1: couldn't guess if you haven't turned the podcast, abeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure people are loving it. No one has turned
Speaker 1: it off. This is one of the most hotly anticipated
Speaker 1: Stuff Mom Never Told You episodes of And we also
Speaker 1: timed this episode to publish the week of Thanksgiving because
Speaker 1: I know all the Gillies out there are giving thanks
Speaker 1: for the reboot. Yeah, the reboot production starts in and
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna premiere around the same time that the
Speaker 1: full House reboot premieres. As well, who cares. I know,
Speaker 1: I was never into full House as a child. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not going to do the stuff mom never told
Speaker 1: you analysis of full health. We could talk about their
Speaker 1: hair for a long time, but I don't really know
Speaker 1: how relevant that would be to our brand. How I
Speaker 1: do like to say that, though, So that's right. Netflix
Speaker 1: is picking up Gilmore Girls yet again, with Amy Sherman
Speaker 1: Palladino writing it, and it's going to come out not
Speaker 1: like a whole new season, but they're going to do
Speaker 1: four ninety minutes segments, so they're sort of giving it
Speaker 1: the what hot American summer treatment times for Yeah, which
Speaker 1: everybody's really excited about because something that I had no
Speaker 1: idea about because I'm gonna well, let me admit something first,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the majority of Gilmore Girls. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I know, I just heard a lot of heavy size
Speaker 1: or I'm projecting, I don't know. But season seven, the
Speaker 1: last season of Gilmore Girls, was apparently, according to the
Speaker 1: Internet and fans, a huge disappointment. A lot of that
Speaker 1: had to do with the fact that head writer what
Speaker 1: she's the what the writer, the producer, director, like the magician. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she created the whole thing. Yeah, The show
Speaker 1: creator Amy Sherman Palladino took her leave after season six
Speaker 1: because the show producers wouldn't give her more writers. There's
Speaker 1: some other technical glitches going on behind the scenes, so
Speaker 1: she and her husband, fellow writer Dan Palladina said, see
Speaker 1: you later. Hit the road. Season seven happens. Lauren Graham,
Speaker 1: who plays Laurela, had much more of a say. Other
Speaker 1: actors had much more of a say in the writing
Speaker 1: of the show, in the direction of some characters, and
Speaker 1: people were not not so pleased at the direction the
Speaker 1: show took. And so there are a lot of cheers
Speaker 1: and size of relief that the actual original show creators
Speaker 1: are coming back to reboot the show. And regardless of
Speaker 1: how the seventh season disappointed a number of hardcore fans,
Speaker 1: there's still so much enduring love and nostalgia for the
Speaker 1: Gilmore girls. And it holds a lot of personal nostalgia
Speaker 1: for me because Rory and I were the same age
Speaker 1: and we both had brown hair, and we were starting
Speaker 1: new scary rich people, private schools and ninth grade and
Speaker 1: we're bookworms. Now. She was a lot more successful with dating,
Speaker 1: I will say, and don't know Kristen. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. I'll save that. I'll save that for later.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had no Dean. I wanted a Dean.
Speaker 1: We all want a Dean, but we are so wrong.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and then I'm so happy down the road
Speaker 1: that I didn't have a Dean. But um, it felt
Speaker 1: like a very relatable show to watch when I was fifteen,
Speaker 1: and it was also one of the only uh w
Speaker 1: B slash c W shows that my mom and I
Speaker 1: would watch together, so it was parentally sanctioned show. It
Speaker 1: wasn't something like Dawson's Creek that I had to sneak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched. I watched the Creek. I was I was
Speaker 1: big into the Creek. I loved Jen h slash what's
Speaker 1: her name is? Shell? William uh Felicity. I watched all
Speaker 1: of us debut B shows as a as a young
Speaker 1: high school student. Yeah, the w B was good. And
Speaker 1: with the Frog it's got a top hat and the
Speaker 1: little dance that's love. Well, Caroline, we have a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about. We got a lot of stars, hollow
Speaker 1: history to cover, characters to discuss in plot twists that
Speaker 1: no one ever saw coming. Yeah, Tag's secret children, No oh,
Speaker 1: my god, I know so like as I revealed about myself,
Speaker 1: I have not u watched most of the Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: I've seen enough to sort of know what happens, you
Speaker 1: know that gist. But anyway, I was reading. I'm standing
Speaker 1: next to Kristen at our standing desks, and I'm reading
Speaker 1: like plot summaries and character rundowns from Gilmore Girls, and
Speaker 1: Kristen just keeps hearing me go like what what? Wait?
Speaker 1: She married? Who? Who had an illegitimate shop child? Who
Speaker 1: are all these children floating around? What's happening? And so yeah,
Speaker 1: today I have learned so much about the drama of
Speaker 1: Stars Hollow. Well, let's back up for a little Stars
Speaker 1: Hollow one oh one, because I have a feeling that
Speaker 1: that not everyone is has all of their Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: knowledge readily at hand. So love her. Pats Amy Sherman
Speaker 1: Balladino uh created Gilmore Girls, which debuted in two thousand
Speaker 1: and lasted four seventh seasons, with that infamous seventh season
Speaker 1: that ended in May two thousand seven. And I did
Speaker 1: not know this. She got her start writing on Rosanne,
Speaker 1: and the whole Gilmore Girls pitch, as she recalled to
Speaker 1: a V club, was just off the top of her head.
Speaker 1: She had no idea about stars Hollow and all these
Speaker 1: quirky characters. She was at the tail end of a
Speaker 1: pitch meeting, people were getting kind of tired, and she
Speaker 1: just kind of came up with this idea, threw it
Speaker 1: out about a mother daughter relationship where they are more
Speaker 1: best friend than parent child. Yeah, she said that everybody
Speaker 1: was really excited about the idea. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they were just excited to go to lunch so they
Speaker 1: were like, yes, let's great, do that one. But I'm
Speaker 1: really impressed that in that two thousand dish or late
Speaker 1: nineties era, people were willing to go for that the
Speaker 1: whole mother daughter thing. I feel like, you know, anything
Speaker 1: that's feminine tends to be poop pooed in the media.
Speaker 1: So I'm very pleasantly surprised now in retrospect that these
Speaker 1: TV execs were like, Yeah, feature a mother and daughter
Speaker 1: and have it be all about their relationship. I think
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah. I mean, well, meanwhile, over in Dawston's
Speaker 1: Creek you did have Pascy having sex with a teacher
Speaker 1: on the desk. So this was just playing it safe
Speaker 1: by w B terms of the time. Um, but the
Speaker 1: whole stars hollow angle of it came together when she
Speaker 1: went on a fateful trip ladies and gentlemen to see
Speaker 1: Mark Twain's house, and she stayed in a quaint little
Speaker 1: inn in a quaint little town called Washington Depot, Connecticut,
Speaker 1: and she realized that this was kind of the setting
Speaker 1: of where this mother daughter pair should live. And she
Speaker 1: even went to a Luke's Diner type of establishment where
Speaker 1: everyone seemed to know each other, and at one point
Speaker 1: one of the customers got up and went to behind
Speaker 1: the counter to serve themselves coffee because it was just
Speaker 1: that kind of small town. It was no big deal.
Speaker 1: The waitress was busy, so it just got up and
Speaker 1: serve himselves and she was like, this is amazing. Something
Speaker 1: needs to happen in a town like this. Well, she
Speaker 1: she also talks about how when you take this storyline
Speaker 1: of Laurela the mother getting pregnant sixteen with Rory, who's
Speaker 1: the daughter, uh you know where where she was saying,
Speaker 1: what I want to run to that is safe, that's welcoming,
Speaker 1: non judgmental, warm. It takes a village all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Because Laurela and her parents were very wealthy
Speaker 1: in the show are from Hartford, Connecticut, and so driving
Speaker 1: through this little town in real life, Sherman Palladino, uh
Speaker 1: no ites like, oh this is great. She's not running
Speaker 1: off to the big city. She's not running off to
Speaker 1: New York or Chicago or something. She's She's going to
Speaker 1: a place that's a little bit safer and more supportive
Speaker 1: where she can build her life with her daughter, and
Speaker 1: Rory and Laurela did build a life together with Amy
Speaker 1: Sherman Palladino's guidance for six seasons, and then David Rosenthal
Speaker 1: took over in the period that shall not be named um.
Speaker 1: But ever since then, though, she's been carrying around her
Speaker 1: ideal final four words for the show. And even when
Speaker 1: she was talking to a v club about the show
Speaker 1: back in two thousand five, so before she made her exit,
Speaker 1: it was clear that she kind of knew the writing
Speaker 1: was on the wall, that she wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: there for the whole thing, and she even said that
Speaker 1: if she was an't able to stay on for the
Speaker 1: final season that she would never want to watch it.
Speaker 1: I don't think, and still to this day, I don't
Speaker 1: think that she's seen it, although of course people have
Speaker 1: filled her in on what's happened, and she um said
Speaker 1: how amazed she was that, in contrast, Aaron Sorkin, after
Speaker 1: he left the West Wing, was still able to watch
Speaker 1: the show because she was like, no, no, no, once
Speaker 1: I leave, like, how how could I possibly watch my
Speaker 1: baby being raised by someone else named David? Yeah? Well yeah,
Speaker 1: And she does have a couple of of what I
Speaker 1: imagined to be like comments with raised eyebrows about like,
Speaker 1: oh I've heard things. Oh yeah, I mean And we'll
Speaker 1: get to what the actual final words of the existing
Speaker 1: last episode of Gilmore Girls is was will always be Um.
Speaker 1: But back to stars Hollow. It's obviously a fictional town
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Ps though it's just a Warner Brothers back
Speaker 1: what yeah, scar on, it's not really a blaze. Even
Speaker 1: the one thing I always enjoyed and my mother especially
Speaker 1: enjoyed about the show was how they created this whole
Speaker 1: fake history for stars Hollow as well. So if you
Speaker 1: go along the Stars Hollow like a Bedia page, you
Speaker 1: can learn all about it's uh historic lore and it's
Speaker 1: founding in seventeen seventy nine, and why it's called stars
Speaker 1: Hollow and all controversy around like one street that was
Speaker 1: named like boil and stores Lane. I don't know, you
Speaker 1: can get deep into some knowledge, you really can't get
Speaker 1: deep into some knowledge. So when I was doing some
Speaker 1: background searching on Emily Gilmour, who is Lauraa Gilmore's mother.
Speaker 1: She's the matriarch, the grandmother. Uh, you know, I'm reading
Speaker 1: all about her entire character arc, her entire plot arc.
Speaker 1: And at the end of this website, at the end
Speaker 1: of this page, there's a bunch of trivia and it's
Speaker 1: things like, you know what she's interested in, who her
Speaker 1: friends are. But then it gets like it goes like
Speaker 1: super deep uh and says that, uh, we know that
Speaker 1: she's a Protestant and if her family had been and
Speaker 1: this is this website saying, is if her family had
Speaker 1: been in Connecticut since they arrived in America, she's very
Speaker 1: likely Lutheran or Anglican. Which, yeah, that's some deep fandom,
Speaker 1: like going to the history of the actual literal state. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got a little fun trivia as well. Um So,
Speaker 1: in real life, Lauren Graham a Laura la Gilmore, and
Speaker 1: Alexis Bladdell Rory are fourteen years apart, so their age
Speaker 1: range pretty much squares up if you round up a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Whereas Keiko Againa, who plays Rory's best friend, Lane,
Speaker 1: was twenty seven years old when the show started, socause
Speaker 1: she was much closer in real life to lauralized age
Speaker 1: than Rory's age. So fun with ages. I'm always curious
Speaker 1: to know, especially in shows where women are playing teenagers,
Speaker 1: whether they're actually teenagers or if they're like thirty Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then but some other Lane related trivia was that? Okay?
Speaker 1: So in the show, she ends up with her guitar player,
Speaker 1: right or in the band marries the dude in the band.
Speaker 1: In real life she did too. In real life she
Speaker 1: ended up marrying her roommate, who was a guitar player. What,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Just I'm blowing somebody's mind. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Probably not, I don't know. You guys are like super
Speaker 1: fans if you're listening. So, if we were described to
Speaker 1: describe what The Gilmore Girls is about, obviously it's about
Speaker 1: a single mom and her daughter and then both sort
Speaker 1: of growing up. But it's about so much more, Caroline.
Speaker 1: It's about class, it's about snobs, obviously single motherhood, but
Speaker 1: also just motherhood in general. Especially when you get into
Speaker 1: the generations of Gilmore women, and it's about daughterhood by
Speaker 1: virtue of that small town life, going to college, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I mean, like there's a reason why a lot of
Speaker 1: people our age feel like they grew up with the show.
Speaker 1: And it's also about community, which is that that aspirational
Speaker 1: bent of like watching these people be so just so
Speaker 1: supportive of one another. I feel like anytime a small
Speaker 1: town is typically portrayed on screen, there's always something nefarious
Speaker 1: going on, like uh, Texas chainsaw massacre style, all the
Speaker 1: way down to just people being jerks and snobs and
Speaker 1: unwelcoming to outsiders and things like that. Stars Hollow is
Speaker 1: like the Pinterest version of small town living. And in
Speaker 1: the very very very last episode of the series, you know,
Speaker 1: Rory has graduated from college and they throw her you know,
Speaker 1: not to give too much away, if just go for it, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they throw her a graduation party, and it's so like
Speaker 1: I found myself almost getting choked up at one point,
Speaker 1: but I didn't because my boyfriend was sitting next to
Speaker 1: me and he was like, what this is weird. Uh,
Speaker 1: they throw her graduation party and it's like so heartwarming.
Speaker 1: Because everybody just loves her so much. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, obviously these people love these two Gilmore
Speaker 1: win been enough to go through all this trouble to
Speaker 1: throw them this huge party in the rain. Roy was
Speaker 1: their stars citizen. They adored her, And it's such a
Speaker 1: twist obviously on how we typically think of single mothers
Speaker 1: being shunned. Yeah, you know, stars Hollow had nothing but
Speaker 1: love for the most part. For Laura La everyone knew
Speaker 1: that she was a little bit wild and away, but
Speaker 1: she was never she was never snubbed by virtue of
Speaker 1: being an unwed mother. Yeah, and it was never Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was never really a thing. It was just about people.
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily about their circumstances. Well, speaking of people,
Speaker 1: should we go down the main players, because really, even
Speaker 1: though I'm sure that a lot of people listening are
Speaker 1: familiar with the cast of the Gilmore Girls, just consider
Speaker 1: this a moment to just play the montage in your
Speaker 1: head of all of your all of your favorite characters.
Speaker 1: So if we start with the Gilmore family of horses Laura, Lae,
Speaker 1: and Ror, but then you have Richard and Emily, who
Speaker 1: are loauralized parents who start out like really stuffy, and
Speaker 1: they're in their mansion and they have servants who bring
Speaker 1: the food. Um. But of course they warm up and
Speaker 1: they become actual people. And yeah, and we can't forget
Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy's character Suki st James, who it's interesting to
Speaker 1: note Amy Sherman Palladino originally intended to be a gay character,
Speaker 1: but that was just not going to fly in the
Speaker 1: two thousand, so she ends up meeting and falling in
Speaker 1: love and marrying the character Jackson. And you've also got,
Speaker 1: as Kristen mentioned, Rory's best friend Lane Kim, who a
Speaker 1: little bit more Lane Kim trivia for you. Uh. This
Speaker 1: character was inspired by Sherman Palladino's real life best friend,
Speaker 1: Helen Pye, who was also a producer on the show
Speaker 1: and also had a band. Uh. So like, basically, Lane
Speaker 1: Kim is Amy Sherman Palladino's best friend. And then we
Speaker 1: have the nemesis turned bff, Paris Keller. And I remember
Speaker 1: almost any time Paris would come on screen, especially in
Speaker 1: the early seasons when she was just very nasty to Rory.
Speaker 1: Anytime she would say something, my mother would go, oh Paris, oh, Paris,
Speaker 1: no patience for Paris. I always sympathized with Paris because
Speaker 1: she even when I was younger watching the show, and
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't in therapy at uh. There was
Speaker 1: always something about her that made me feel so sorry
Speaker 1: for her that she was so unnecessarily stressed out about
Speaker 1: things in such a perfectionist speaking of our perfectionism episode,
Speaker 1: which we weren't, but there it is. Uh. I always
Speaker 1: just felt like, God, poor Paris. She just feels like
Speaker 1: she has to prove herself and be the queen bee Paris.
Speaker 1: But she's not like the pretty mean girl. She doesn't
Speaker 1: quite fit in with them. She's not popular, but she's rich,
Speaker 1: so her family is friends with all of the popular
Speaker 1: kids families. It was a Paris in my high school.
Speaker 1: Her name rhymes with s Meredith. And then, of course
Speaker 1: there are the men I had. I had to google this,
Speaker 1: google all of the men. Yeah, even Luke. Surely your Luke.
Speaker 1: No I remembered Luke, but go on. So there's Max Medina,
Speaker 1: who was Rory's teacher at Chilton, who is Laura I's
Speaker 1: first boyfriend and the first guy we see proposed to her.
Speaker 1: Laura Lee collects proposals just left and right. In this show.
Speaker 1: And then of course there's Luke, who is the proprietor
Speaker 1: of the diner that ultimately ends up with Laura Lee
Speaker 1: because we knew from the very first episode, didn't we
Speaker 1: that they were going to end up together. And then
Speaker 1: there is Rory's biological dad, Christopher Hayden, who Laura I
Speaker 1: Mary's for a hot second, and that is one reason
Speaker 1: people hate season seven. Well, yeah, it was such a
Speaker 1: complicated layer cake of dad. I feel because she's in
Speaker 1: love with Luke, he won't get his act together in
Speaker 1: a lope with her. He she ends up falling into
Speaker 1: the arms of Christopher, who's her daughter's father. Uh. She
Speaker 1: wakes up the next day, she's discussed it with herself.
Speaker 1: Luke shows up. He's like, I've figured my life out.
Speaker 1: I love you, I'm ready to marry you. And she's like,
Speaker 1: oh crap, I slept with Christopher last night. And he
Speaker 1: drives away silently, and so then she and Christopher decided
Speaker 1: to get married I think in Paris, right, And then
Speaker 1: they come back and she and Luke aren't speaking, but
Speaker 1: then he needs her help to deal with his mystery
Speaker 1: daughter that he's kept from her, and there's all this
Speaker 1: drama with his baby's mama, and then she realizes, oh,
Speaker 1: I still have all these feelings for Luke and says
Speaker 1: she and Christopher have to get divorced. What yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but Christopher always was kind of left out as an
Speaker 1: option for her. They always had you know, there's always tension. Well,
Speaker 1: l Lauren Graham talks about how for season seven, she's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't just want it to be so we we
Speaker 1: and she didn't want it to be so obvious that
Speaker 1: Luke would be the end choice, but of course he
Speaker 1: had to be. Of course. There was one boyfriend of
Speaker 1: hers though, that I completely forgot about because he was
Speaker 1: so wretched. It was a snobby guy named Jason who
Speaker 1: was a like business competitor with her dad, and I
Speaker 1: think she knew him growing up and he was just awful,
Speaker 1: and I think I just intentionally forgot about him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to google all of those guys, minus Luke
Speaker 1: and Christopher, and then I also had to google a
Speaker 1: bunch of Rory's boyfriends to You've got Dean Forrester. He's
Speaker 1: in the pilot episode. She meets him at school like
Speaker 1: right as she's like, I'm going to go to the
Speaker 1: fancy private school and where a whereas pleaded skirt. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so amazing. And she meets Dean and that
Speaker 1: starts this whole drama with her mother of like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to transfer schools. I'm in love with this
Speaker 1: bad boy with a butt cut um, And he does
Speaker 1: turn out to be bad boy number one. Oh, wasn't
Speaker 1: such a bad boy though he's ultimately a bad boy.
Speaker 1: I thought he was just kind of like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you see the stars hollow version of a bad boy
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit. The only the bad boy moment
Speaker 1: came when they fell asleep in his car together and
Speaker 1: she didn't come home, and Laura La was like, she's
Speaker 1: repeating my mistake. So no, yeah, well that's that is
Speaker 1: definitely I mean, that is a literal conversation that happens
Speaker 1: in season one, episode one of Laura La being like,
Speaker 1: who is this boy? Who is this man friend of yours?
Speaker 1: This walking butt cut? I know, such a bad haircut.
Speaker 1: We've also got Tristan Um and he that was that
Speaker 1: Chad Michael Murray. Yes, talk about a w B star.
Speaker 1: We have the squinty face, uh, and then there's the dangerous, dark,
Speaker 1: handsome Jess who These are episodes that I definitely caught
Speaker 1: because I remember watching it with my mother too and
Speaker 1: being like, he is so handsome, but he was a
Speaker 1: bad boy too. Write Jess was definitely a bad boy.
Speaker 1: He wrote a motorcycle Caroline and had brown hair versus
Speaker 1: versus Tristan who was blond. Well, and Tristan, I don't
Speaker 1: know that they even ever dated. He just always tried
Speaker 1: to come between her and Dean. And there was a
Speaker 1: second when you were like, are you going to date
Speaker 1: that guy? Oh? No? Well, and then Marty, which is
Speaker 1: the college guy. This is in college, right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: Marty just had like a sustained crush on Rory and
Speaker 1: She's like thanks, no, thanks, Yeah. She was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're just friends. Um, even though like that was finally
Speaker 1: a relationship where she kind of got quote unquote relationship
Speaker 1: where she finally got to be herself right, Like she
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about being screwed over like she was with Jess.
Speaker 1: She had to hang up Marty to watch movies neat popcorn,
Speaker 1: but she just wasn't into him. Um. And then of
Speaker 1: course Logan, who everybody loves to hate, hates to love,
Speaker 1: he of the very wealthy family. He didn't start out
Speaker 1: being the good guy, but by the endle are like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I can kind of threw them together. And then he proposes,
Speaker 1: and she says, no, Logan was always a cheese ball.
Speaker 1: He bothered me. But I think it was because when
Speaker 1: I was in like late high school, early college, whenever
Speaker 1: that would have been, I was just jealous that a
Speaker 1: guy who looked like Logan wasn't talking to me. He's
Speaker 1: also blonde. Yeah, yeah, I mean, if we're if we're
Speaker 1: trying to go off like a parent stereotype, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like Rory has a particular type. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was. So there was this h chapter in the
Speaker 1: book Gilmore Girls in the Politics of Identity by Molly McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: and she had a major bound to pick with Rory's
Speaker 1: romantic choices. I thin to the point of saying that
Speaker 1: because you know a lot of people um enthusiastically who
Speaker 1: loved Gilmore Girls say it's a feminist show because you've
Speaker 1: got a single mom pulling herself up by her bootstraps,
Speaker 1: raising a strong, intelligent, independent daughter, all that stuff on
Speaker 1: and on, and McCaffrey's like, uh. She goes so far
Speaker 1: as to say it's not only like no, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily call it feminists, but that it's not feminist because
Speaker 1: of Rory's poor romantic choices, which I feel like it
Speaker 1: is very harsh because I am someone who is a
Speaker 1: feminist and b has made terrible romantic life decisions. But
Speaker 1: McCaffrey writes about how uh she's controlled by logan and
Speaker 1: in that relationship ends up falling back on gender roles
Speaker 1: and concerns about money, that really she just secretly wants
Speaker 1: to live the life of Emily and Richard, her grandparents,
Speaker 1: rather than the independent life of principles that her mother lives,
Speaker 1: and that she goes so far as to say that
Speaker 1: Rory has no agency, that she's only ever throughout the
Speaker 1: series pursued by men, but does know pursuing that she
Speaker 1: is superficially perfect judging by her intelligence and her appearance,
Speaker 1: but that underneath it all, she just wants to be
Speaker 1: a traditional kept woman. Oh so many were sponses to that.
Speaker 1: I had hit me with some. Okay, so, first of all,
Speaker 1: portraying a girl who's like eighteen too, so she graduates
Speaker 1: college of the end of the show, so she's twenty two.
Speaker 1: She's twenty two the end of the show, Um, so
Speaker 1: portraying a very young woman as exploring all of these
Speaker 1: kinds of gender role choices, whether it is something that's
Speaker 1: more free wheeling like Laurela or more traditional and d
Speaker 1: a r like Emily Gilmore. Why is that an inherently
Speaker 1: unfeminist because she should can? Is there no room I'm
Speaker 1: struggling even with my words. Is there no room for
Speaker 1: exploration and identity seeking within the idea of gender equality?
Speaker 1: That's That's exactly what I came away from that chapter with,
Speaker 1: um just feeling like whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa. Hey,
Speaker 1: we've all made like bad love life choices. I mean,
Speaker 1: who among us has always stated the perfect person? Obviously
Speaker 1: we would have been married years ago if we had
Speaker 1: data the right person from the beginning. Um, And yeah,
Speaker 1: like even I've been in relationships where I have been
Speaker 1: controlled to a degree, But you get out of those
Speaker 1: ideally and you learn and you grow and you go
Speaker 1: on to find your perfect person. And so yeah, I
Speaker 1: was really sort of taken aback about McCaffrey's intense stand
Speaker 1: on on Rory's character as a whole being a reason
Speaker 1: why the show isn't feminist. Yeah, I mean, I can
Speaker 1: I can see arguments of the show revolving too much
Speaker 1: around just their relationships with men as being a strike
Speaker 1: against its feminism. But it's also I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: drama on the w B, sure, but the core, the
Speaker 1: core never shifts. The core is still the women's relationships
Speaker 1: with each other. Yeah, and that goes to not only
Speaker 1: a Rory and Laura Lae, but also their best friendships
Speaker 1: with Lane and Suky, with their you know, Laura and
Speaker 1: her mom. All of these kinds of female relationships being
Speaker 1: really driving the show. Well. How wonderful too, though, to
Speaker 1: see representations of female friendship like that, that there's no
Speaker 1: cattiness with Suki or with Lane, that these women are
Speaker 1: there to support each other. And sure they might fight
Speaker 1: or disagree or whatever, but the core, like I said,
Speaker 1: the core is still the strength of their relationships. Oh
Speaker 1: and I still remember in the first season when Rory
Speaker 1: starts dating Dean and she's all about Dean and Lane
Speaker 1: feels really left out, And how during that time that's
Speaker 1: so resonated with those high school experiences of your super
Speaker 1: tight girl friendships being invaded Suddenly by high school dating,
Speaker 1: which of course is like can just take up all
Speaker 1: of your time as opposed to middle school dating in
Speaker 1: quotes when like you're just like talking on the phone
Speaker 1: for five minutes. Um, so should keep talking about feminism,
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is something that's I think an
Speaker 1: appeal for a lot of stuff. I've never told you
Speaker 1: listeners to the show because S. C. Smith, who we've
Speaker 1: started on the podcast before, would completely disagree with the
Speaker 1: idea that it is unfeminist. So over the Daily Dot,
Speaker 1: she wrote that it was and is a feminist show
Speaker 1: without being explicitly feminist, making it appealing to a wide
Speaker 1: base of viewers who fell in love with characters like Emily,
Speaker 1: Paris Rory, and Laurelai without realizing they've been suck or
Speaker 1: punched by social progressivism until it was too late. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that goes back to what I was saying earlier
Speaker 1: about simply presenting these characters, these lives, these stories without
Speaker 1: having to be like, hey, hey she's a single mom.
Speaker 1: Hey that means she had sex when she was a teenager.
Speaker 1: There's no like, there's nothing preachy about it. There's nothing
Speaker 1: preachy about whether it's the feminist aspect or the girl
Speaker 1: power aspect, or or really any of it. That it's
Speaker 1: just a show about really real people, minus perhaps how
Speaker 1: fast paced and hyper intelligent all of their conversations are.
Speaker 1: And we should also note too, how the whole relationship
Speaker 1: between Rory and Laura La kind of starts off on
Speaker 1: a feminist foothold because Rory is short for Laura La.
Speaker 1: Laura La named her after herself, and she also gave her,
Speaker 1: notably Gilmore, her last name, and not Christopher's last name. Well,
Speaker 1: that occurred to me too, being a thirty one year
Speaker 1: old person watching this show. Rewatching this show, I was like, wait, Gilmore, girls, Gilmore,
Speaker 1: that's Laureli's last name. It was her parents last name.
Speaker 1: She didn't name her after Christopher, and not of course
Speaker 1: that there's anything wrong with that, I mean whatever, It
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, this is totally She's giving her
Speaker 1: her full name and Laura La mom Laura Lai herself
Speaker 1: was named after Richard's mother, Laura La tricks quote unquote
Speaker 1: tricks Um, and in the pilot episode, Rory says to
Speaker 1: Dean about her having the same name as her mom.
Speaker 1: She was lying in the hospital thinking about how men
Speaker 1: named boys after themselves all the time. She says her
Speaker 1: feminism just sort of took over personally. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of dem or all went into that decision. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there you have, right out of the gate. I mean,
Speaker 1: Amy Sherman Palladino and Dan Palladino were making intentional choices
Speaker 1: with all of this, sure, but notably according to a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of things we read, that is the first
Speaker 1: of I think two or three times the word feminism
Speaker 1: has ever uttered in the show. But I can't be
Speaker 1: too critical of that for several reasons. But also, if
Speaker 1: Amy Sherman Palladino and Dan Palladino are writing this show
Speaker 1: in a time period when it was not okay for Sookie,
Speaker 1: one of the main characters, to be gay, then they're
Speaker 1: probably not going to wave the feminist flag too literally either,
Speaker 1: And so I can't fault them for writing in that environment.
Speaker 1: But Sherman Paladine has gone on the record more recently
Speaker 1: as saying like, well, nowadays, they'd all be gay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd all be talking about feminism and they'd all be gay.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's just a different time now. Well, I
Speaker 1: think they snuck the feminism, and more subtly as s. E.
Speaker 1: Smith noted whether it was just the basic premise of
Speaker 1: the single working mom taking care of her daughter in
Speaker 1: a very well adjusted and healthy kind of way and
Speaker 1: not demonizing her for it. But also you have all
Speaker 1: of the book references throughout. I mean, one of the
Speaker 1: things that I personally loved about Rory and so many did,
Speaker 1: was that she was such an avid reader. And one guy,
Speaker 1: Patrick Lenton in Australia went through and painstaking lee noted
Speaker 1: every single book reference in the whole series and tied
Speaker 1: up three hundred thirty nine titles and some feminists standouts
Speaker 1: include Gender Trouble by Judith Butler to Simone de Beauvoir
Speaker 1: titles Second Sex and Memoirs of a Dutiful Daughter and
Speaker 1: A Room of One Zonne by Virginia Woolf. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's the feminist special, just sneaking them in well.
Speaker 1: And you know what's so funny because the show is
Speaker 1: so notable both for its fast paced dialogue but also
Speaker 1: all of these pop culture references and literary references. But
Speaker 1: I had watched just the very first pilot episode when
Speaker 1: I read this article about this guy compiling the list
Speaker 1: of books and to give you an idea of how
Speaker 1: many literary references are squeezed into each episode. As I
Speaker 1: was scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling down this list,
Speaker 1: I was like, that was mentioned in episode one, that one,
Speaker 1: that one was mentioned that one. She and Dean talk
Speaker 1: about that book. So like, there is a lot going
Speaker 1: on in every episode. So it's no surprise that you
Speaker 1: hear a lot from fans online who were like, it
Speaker 1: was such a treat to get the DVD to watch
Speaker 1: it first too, then get the DVDs and now have
Speaker 1: it come back on Netflix. Because the older you get,
Speaker 1: the more life experience you get, the more of those
Speaker 1: references that previously went over your head are caught. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and there is literally so much packed into
Speaker 1: each episode by virtue of the dialogue. It's very unique,
Speaker 1: rapid fire style of dialogue, the likes of which I
Speaker 1: didn't see again until watching Scandal, which as a similar
Speaker 1: like staccato, really quick monologue style. Well yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin shows right, very true. Um, but thanks to
Speaker 1: mental flaws, we know that a page of Gilmore Girl's
Speaker 1: script accounted for just five seconds of talk, as opposed
Speaker 1: to typically a page of dialogue and a screenplay would
Speaker 1: account for one minute, and Sherman Palladino and and Palladino
Speaker 1: her husband. We're very painstaking about the scripts, like they
Speaker 1: would all pass through their hands just to make sure
Speaker 1: that they maintain the exact same tone because it's so
Speaker 1: I mean, it's mistakable the way these characters talk to
Speaker 1: each other. And Lauren Graham and Alexis Blodell had to
Speaker 1: have like speech coaches just to be able to get
Speaker 1: all of the words out fast enough and do the
Speaker 1: back and forth dialogue. Well yeah, and then people had
Speaker 1: to go back and review the shots to make sure
Speaker 1: that there were no dropped words because if you're just
Speaker 1: talking super fast and you don't have cute cards and
Speaker 1: it's not like you have a teleprompter or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And also they had to nail everything. There was no improvisation.
Speaker 1: According to Keiko Againa, who was talking to I think
Speaker 1: it was BuzzFeed. Uh, she had this list of like
Speaker 1: amazing Gilmore Girls trivia that you never knew or whatever,
Speaker 1: and one of those things was like, no, this was
Speaker 1: not oh we're chattering because we're going off script and
Speaker 1: where you know, we're kookie and we're just chatting. No,
Speaker 1: it was like this was all very specifically written in
Speaker 1: this style by those two writers. Well, in addition to
Speaker 1: the Gilmore Girls dialogue being one of those love it
Speaker 1: or loath it aspects of the show, can we also
Speaker 1: talk about their appetites? Because I feel like any time
Speaker 1: we post something Gilmore Girls related, if someone hates the show,
Speaker 1: there will be a comment on how they hate how
Speaker 1: much they eat and yet stays slim. And this was
Speaker 1: something that I was thinking about a lot, especially after
Speaker 1: reading the essay passed the pop Tarts. The Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: is Perpetual Hunger by Susannah B. Men's and Leah E. Men's,
Speaker 1: who really analyze their eating in the show, and they
Speaker 1: made some notable observations about how as much as Laura
Speaker 1: line Rory talk about food and especially junk food and
Speaker 1: pizza and ice cream and all of their favorite greasy delights,
Speaker 1: you never see them eat it. You only see the
Speaker 1: what will be eaten and then the aftermath, yeah, or
Speaker 1: what they're eating it like the grandparents House and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, where they will only like pick at
Speaker 1: the food. And Lauren Graham has said that the food
Speaker 1: that was served during those scenes was disgusting. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe this was like a mercy role for
Speaker 1: the actors that Okay, we're not going to literally make
Speaker 1: you sit here and eat pizza. But that's beside the point.
Speaker 1: But they read all of the symbolism though into their
Speaker 1: food habits um writing that quote their flaunted proclivity for
Speaker 1: junk food is also a stand in for sexuality. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean they wrote it. I mean, I know, but
Speaker 1: do you think that? Do you? What do you think? No?
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think that any human.
Speaker 1: Palladino was like, we can't show how much they really
Speaker 1: want to have sex and want to indulge in, so
Speaker 1: they're just diverting it into food. I think it was
Speaker 1: a hallmark that she created of their relationship. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's part of that slumber party aspect. These people
Speaker 1: are very specifically written to be sort of bff beyond
Speaker 1: just mom and daughter, and part of that is like, hey, girlfriend,
Speaker 1: you feeling bad? You want some ice cream? Do you
Speaker 1: want to hang out? Do want pizza? Pizza is easy,
Speaker 1: we can just call we both work, we both go
Speaker 1: to school, Like, let's let's eat some pizza. Well, and
Speaker 1: in a very Carrey Bradshaw kind of way. Uh. There's
Speaker 1: also the intentionality of Laurea la disdain for cooking, and
Speaker 1: she does not cook. The only thing that is made
Speaker 1: really in the Gilmore kitchen is coffee. Also, I, even
Speaker 1: in high school, is concerned about Rory's caffeine and take. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Luke is super concerned about that. Yeah. There's a scene
Speaker 1: where Lane with her drumsticks, walks up to Rory and
Speaker 1: Laurel and it's like, hey, Laura, can I practice drums
Speaker 1: on your pots and pants later? And of course Laura
Speaker 1: makes the crack of like, well, they're not getting used
Speaker 1: for anything else. But yeah, very very like I love
Speaker 1: Lucy Ish, not that Lucy didn't cook or whatever, but
Speaker 1: Laurelize to me very much seems like the modern day
Speaker 1: sort of Lucy. But she's not the only mom and
Speaker 1: the show who doesn't cook, because think about it, when
Speaker 1: they go over to the mansion, Emily is not cooking. No,
Speaker 1: she's got made something exactly Who bring the food that
Speaker 1: no one's all that interested in? Um, And I do
Speaker 1: like though, how the cook and a caregiver in the
Speaker 1: more traditional sense of the word is Luke. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: dude wearing a you know, constant stubble and backwards baseball cap.
Speaker 1: I know he looks at very much like dude roommate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got that, like the plaid shirt and acid washed
Speaker 1: jeans where they asked, now, I'm just picturing acid washing
Speaker 1: jeggings for some reason on Luke, and then I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: That's quite an image. My mom also, I think, had
Speaker 1: a little quiet crush on Luke. Could not know actually
Speaker 1: Luke was not my type. Not a baseball cap. No,
Speaker 1: well no, but aside from the baseball cap and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, I mean, what's not to like about, you know,
Speaker 1: the quiet that's all silent type, Caroline. Yeah, yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of the tall, silent type. Like he's sensitive underneath all
Speaker 1: of that. He struggles the whole show with figuring out
Speaker 1: how to love and how to express his emotions, and
Speaker 1: so it's it's kind of nice and in a very
Speaker 1: like I'm watching a TV show way of seeing a
Speaker 1: guy who's struggling with how to deal with his emotions
Speaker 1: and how to express emotion and all that stuff, but
Speaker 1: without being a jerk, because so often I feel like
Speaker 1: culturally and in the media, if somebody doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to deal with their emotions. They might be mean or
Speaker 1: abusive or vitriolic or anything like that, but Luke is
Speaker 1: very much just the gentle giant almost. And I appreciate
Speaker 1: how they allow the friendship between Luke and Laureli to develop. Well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and Sherman Palladino talked about that too, saying like
Speaker 1: I was not going to rush anything, whether it's Luke
Speaker 1: and Laureli or pretty much any other plot development. She
Speaker 1: wade about how she just wanted to let things develop
Speaker 1: and take their time, and when the time was right,
Speaker 1: she would have it happen. So is there me room
Speaker 1: for critique on The Gilmar Girls? Is it a perfect
Speaker 1: television product? Well? Of course not nothing on TV is perfect. Man.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people take issue, for instance,
Speaker 1: with the diversity thing that there's not really a range
Speaker 1: of uh well, sexual orientation for one, We've already talked
Speaker 1: about that how that wasn't going to fly with the producers,
Speaker 1: but also race and ethnicity. I mean, you've got Lane
Speaker 1: and her family who are Korean. You've got French Michelle,
Speaker 1: who a lot of people are like, is he French
Speaker 1: or gay? And Amy Sherman Palladino has said, and yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep using her full name. Oh I do too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just Amy sounds too casual. It sounds too casual. But
Speaker 1: she has said that they quote unquote went on the
Speaker 1: record early in the show by having him say something
Speaker 1: about liking women or something. But she's like, we never
Speaker 1: really went back and addressed it, because what's the point, Like,
Speaker 1: you can think about him whatever you want to think
Speaker 1: about him. And the actor who played Michelle uh uh
Speaker 1: swore on his mother's head apparently that he never asked
Speaker 1: the show runners what Michelle's sexual orientation was because it
Speaker 1: just wasn't important. Again, it was another aspect of the
Speaker 1: show that was like, we don't need to hit anyone
Speaker 1: over the head with anything. We can just have the
Speaker 1: characters be characters. But again, I'm like going back into like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so wonderful. Oh wait, that there was not really
Speaker 1: any diversity, I know, aside from the Kims, who some
Speaker 1: people have criticized as being too stereotypical, particularly Mrs Kim,
Speaker 1: but you have you and I Kristen read so many
Speaker 1: things from Asian American writers who were like, that was
Speaker 1: my mother, you know, that was me trying to sneak
Speaker 1: out of the house and put on the band shirt
Speaker 1: and listen to rock and roll. Where my very traditional
Speaker 1: mother was, you know, telling me I was going to
Speaker 1: get in trouble for all of that stuff. So so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I can't speak to that personally,
Speaker 1: being someone who did not grow up in a Korean
Speaker 1: American household. Shockingly, wait what, I know the things you
Speaker 1: learned about me, but that really is the extent of
Speaker 1: their diversity. I mean I cannot name a black character
Speaker 1: who named black character on the show for instance. Um.
Speaker 1: And also when it comes to how the show reflects
Speaker 1: real life in terms of laurelize situation as a single mother,
Speaker 1: I mean, she really is living in a utopia because
Speaker 1: if we look at the real world situation for single moms,
Speaker 1: like American single moms are living in poverty. Very few
Speaker 1: are able to have a massive two story home in
Speaker 1: a gorgeous town in Connecticut where everyone is ready to
Speaker 1: help you, and you have the fallback of your very
Speaker 1: wealthy parents who can help send your very smart daughter
Speaker 1: off to a private school. And then Yale. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: they didn't. They never really kind of delved into the
Speaker 1: whole money thing. Yeah, there there would be times when
Speaker 1: Laurel I was short on cash, and especially when she
Speaker 1: was opening the Dragonfly in but it would just be
Speaker 1: a temporary obstacle that would very quickly be solved so
Speaker 1: we could get back to the relationships exactly. Who wants
Speaker 1: to talk about money? That's so tacky? And then of
Speaker 1: course there are concerns about Rory and Laurelized relationships of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this healthy or are they just straight up codependent? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I I thought about that a lot, because it's natural for,
Speaker 1: you know, parents to be close with their children, and
Speaker 1: then the kids start to get older and they rebel
Speaker 1: and break away, and then you know, even if they
Speaker 1: do fix the relationship with their parents and stay close,
Speaker 1: they're still their own person. They're still independent. But you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know it from from this show. There's no there's
Speaker 1: no breaking away. There's definitely like we're best friends. We
Speaker 1: never fight. And I was like, God, they never fight?
Speaker 1: How do they never fight? They have a couple of fights,
Speaker 1: but basically they never fight. Compared to my mom and
Speaker 1: I and I school, they never fight. Yeah, um, and
Speaker 1: I half expect after the credits role on the final
Speaker 1: episode for Laura I to hop in her jeep and
Speaker 1: high tail it to the Obama bus to track down Rory.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, like, but but that's just part
Speaker 1: of that's the show. I mean, that's the whole thing
Speaker 1: is is their intense close relationship. Well, it's it's like
Speaker 1: you've put an Instagram filter on real life. And that's
Speaker 1: what Gilmore Girls is, the stars hollow filter. It should exist. Um,
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling that one of the biggest
Speaker 1: criticisms of the show at this point are the final
Speaker 1: words for a show that was built on dialogue, the
Speaker 1: final words where I guess so. Yeah, Roy was talking
Speaker 1: about how she wasn't going to wear the world's Greatest Journalist,
Speaker 1: had that Laura I got her, and Laura I says,
Speaker 1: how will people know that you're the world's greatest journalists?
Speaker 1: I guess they'll just have to read your articles and
Speaker 1: find out. Rory says, I guess so, and the camera
Speaker 1: pans back from their table at Looke's and the screen
Speaker 1: cuts to credits. Yeah. So, but those were not shockingly uh,
Speaker 1: those three words were not the four words that Amy
Speaker 1: Sherman Palladino had him mine the whole time the show
Speaker 1: was going what do you think the four words are?
Speaker 1: I love you too? No, I don't know. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a good guest. Yeah, that's what immediately thought of. And
Speaker 1: it's Rory saying that to Kirk, like, no, impossible, he's
Speaker 1: an awkward He looks like the bizarro version of Chris
Speaker 1: Hardwick to me, Kirk, Yeah, I could see that nervous
Speaker 1: fans because I kept looking at him and I was like,
Speaker 1: what else is this guy in? Like why do I
Speaker 1: recognize him? Oh? You don't? You just think he looks
Speaker 1: like Bizarro? You don't host at midnight, You're just Kirk Um.
Speaker 1: And I do enjoy when I see characters like Kirk
Speaker 1: pop up now on other shows. He's talked up on something.
Speaker 1: I forget what it was, but it's always fun to
Speaker 1: see a Gilmore Girls cameos somewhere else. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: that those actors hate that they buy people like me
Speaker 1: or just considered Gilmore Girls cameos while they're on other shows.
Speaker 1: But well, so do you think that? I mean, Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls has been off the air for a while now
Speaker 1: and it is coming back on Netflix. People are excited
Speaker 1: about everybody's talking about it. Do you think that Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls will go down in television history as one of
Speaker 1: one of the better ones. Yeah, I think it already has.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that you just can't deny that
Speaker 1: a show that focuses so closely on women's relationships with
Speaker 1: each other was not and and for so long and
Speaker 1: in such a unique kind of way, isn't great television?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it is. Despite what my
Speaker 1: fiance might say about The Gilmore Girl whatever, our significant
Speaker 1: others can go watch like die Hard or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like I can understand why people don't like
Speaker 1: the dialogue sometimes, but I think it's fantastic. I think
Speaker 1: it's fantastic too. Um, I'm a little envious because they pack.
Speaker 1: I just get so jealous that they've got all these
Speaker 1: pop culture references that I'm like, I can only catch
Speaker 1: so many of these. But those aren't our final words
Speaker 1: for this episode, are they, Caroline, No, for sure not.
Speaker 1: We would be remiss to not talk to some of
Speaker 1: the internet's foremost Gilmore Girls experts. Yeah, the Gilmore Guys,
Speaker 1: The Gilmore Guys, Kevin Porter and demi Ata gig Bay
Speaker 1: who listeners. If you're not familiar with the Gilmore Guys,
Speaker 1: the whole shut up is that Kevin is a long
Speaker 1: time fan of The Gilmore Girls. He watched it religiously
Speaker 1: when it was out and since, and Demi is brand
Speaker 1: new to the show and they're watching it sequentially. In
Speaker 1: each episode of the Gilmore Guys talks about the next episod,
Speaker 1: so that Kevin has seen for the zillionth time and
Speaker 1: Demi has seen for the first time. So yes, that
Speaker 1: means Demi hasn't even seen all the Gilmore Girls haven't
Speaker 1: even seen season seven yet. Don't ruin it. I know, Demmi,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast, we spoiled so much
Speaker 1: for you, um. But we had such a great time
Speaker 1: talking to them about why they love the Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: and also just their journey podcasting. Um. And one of
Speaker 1: my favorites to learn was which stars Hollow character they
Speaker 1: would be. So thanks so much to Kevin and Demi
Speaker 1: for talking to us. And here's our convo about the
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls with the Gilmore Guys. Folks. We are so
Speaker 1: excited to introduce the Gilmore Guys to you too. Gilmore Guys,
Speaker 1: could could you introduce yourselves to our lovely listeners? Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Porter and I'm DEMI did you wee big
Speaker 1: where the Gilmore Guys we we did a little bit
Speaker 1: differently on our show. I was wondering if you guys
Speaker 1: were going to say that say it in in Unison
Speaker 1: Gilmore Guys in Unison. Um. I also felt like Caroline,
Speaker 1: I should be doing like the la la melody in
Speaker 1: the background as we introduce you. There's so many things missing.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry we don't. We don't have all of
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles. Instead, we just have despair well
Speaker 1: for stuff I've never told you. Listeners who aren't familiar
Speaker 1: with your podcast, what is this Gilmore Guys? Sure so.
Speaker 1: Gilmore Guys is a podcast where we go through every
Speaker 1: single episode, including including season seven, of Gilmore Girls, and
Speaker 1: talk about it with special guests, with comedians and actors
Speaker 1: and and writers and people who are big fans of
Speaker 1: the show, and we just get into it and talk
Speaker 1: about every single aspect of Gilmore Girls. And I like
Speaker 1: that you went ahead had mentioned that it does include
Speaker 1: season seven. Yes, well, I mean we've been getting that
Speaker 1: because I think in the very early days of the
Speaker 1: show we said like, oh, maybe we won't do season seven,
Speaker 1: and we keep getting emails about it from people who
Speaker 1: are catching up there, like you need to do it,
Speaker 1: So I just want to put the word out there, yes,
Speaker 1: we are for sure doing it. Well, early on in
Speaker 1: the pilot, actually, both of you seemed a little daunted
Speaker 1: by just the scale of this project, and you even
Speaker 1: mentioned that you might be skipping some of the episodes
Speaker 1: just to make it all the way through. So what changed?
Speaker 1: How long did it take me to hit your stride
Speaker 1: and what have been your secrets to your success? Well,
Speaker 1: arguably we haven't hit our stride yet. We're still waiting.
Speaker 1: We're still waiting on that. Well, Demmi can speak to
Speaker 1: that maybe as someone who would like never even watched
Speaker 1: the show before, what it was like to start it.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest daunting thing for me was just
Speaker 1: that I've never ever watched a show for seven seasons
Speaker 1: live like and it felt like that was what it
Speaker 1: was gonna be, having to watch a show like this
Speaker 1: week to week and not really being able to binge
Speaker 1: on episodes as much as I was accustomed to at
Speaker 1: that point. So doing something like that and then not
Speaker 1: even knowing if I would like the show from the
Speaker 1: very early points would be a bit of a struggle,
Speaker 1: But I think when we hit our stride was when
Speaker 1: I realized I liked the show, and once we realized
Speaker 1: people were listening. And I think that getting feedback and
Speaker 1: knowing we're not just screaming into a void about the
Speaker 1: show was really instrumental in having us figure out that
Speaker 1: this is something that we could keep up as long
Speaker 1: as we sort of took it a less scholarly approach
Speaker 1: and sort of made it our own thing and made
Speaker 1: it sort of brought out the comedy of the podcast
Speaker 1: and focused on what it was that we loved about
Speaker 1: doing a podcast and bringing that into what we loved
Speaker 1: about the show. So, Demmi, what was your turning point
Speaker 1: that transitioned you from this podcast host to a straight
Speaker 1: up gilly. I wish I could remember. I feel like
Speaker 1: it was definitely something in the early seasons. I was
Speaker 1: never too down on the show. I never thought this
Speaker 1: is an awful thing to watch, but I do remember
Speaker 1: thinking early on in the show that there were definitely
Speaker 1: some episodes that ran a bit slower than others, and
Speaker 1: I wasn't wondering how long would take the show to
Speaker 1: hit it stride, But I think it was around Rory's birthday,
Speaker 1: Parties episode six of the first season to get to
Speaker 1: that one, but it's a very good episode if you
Speaker 1: haven't yet become accustomed to the world of Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: I think that's the episode that sort of sinks into
Speaker 1: it because it brings all the characters into a central
Speaker 1: location around a central event, and you kind of get
Speaker 1: the feel that it's more than a show about three
Speaker 1: generations of women arguing all the time. You know, oh, well,
Speaker 1: then we have to ask the question of what, according
Speaker 1: to the Gilmore guys, is the Gilmore Girls about? Then
Speaker 1: in our own words, yes, well, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: three generations of women arguing that don't know what to
Speaker 1: say I would say, I mean, gosh, it would be
Speaker 1: hard to condense it all, but essentially, uh, it is
Speaker 1: a uh whimsical examination of female relationships the end. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could speak and I have spoken paragraphs about like
Speaker 1: what the show is and what it means to me
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah, But essentially I would
Speaker 1: say that like it's just about it's a drama. It
Speaker 1: is a family drama that takes female relationships seriously. Is
Speaker 1: what I would like, like would be the most concise
Speaker 1: way of putting it, although I don't feel like that
Speaker 1: communicates how funny the show is either. How would you
Speaker 1: put it, Demi, I don't know. I feel like I
Speaker 1: would just say it's a very funny drama that shows
Speaker 1: life in a small town as viewed through the lens
Speaker 1: of three generations of a family. Because I feel like
Speaker 1: focusing on the female relationships part of it sort of
Speaker 1: undermines the fact that they don't really try to play
Speaker 1: as like, yeah, it's drama, but also there are women.
Speaker 1: They don't really lean on the fact that they're women
Speaker 1: all too often in the show, which is one of
Speaker 1: its highlights. I think the name Gilmore Girls sort of
Speaker 1: oversells the idea that this is something that only women
Speaker 1: will understand and relate to, and really it's just it's
Speaker 1: just like a lot of other shows on television. The
Speaker 1: characters just happened to be women. Well, so hallmarks of
Speaker 1: the show that a lot of people, even if they
Speaker 1: haven't watched much of Gilmore Girls, the hallmarks that people
Speaker 1: are familiar with are all of the pop references, the
Speaker 1: rapid fire dialogue, and of course, the instatiable junk food appetites.
Speaker 1: So what would you describe as the hallmarks of your show,
Speaker 1: the Gilmore Guys. I think music drops is one big
Speaker 1: hallmark of our show. We do a recurring thing where
Speaker 1: every time we have to give a prediction as to
Speaker 1: some sort of romantic happenstance, we drop a room five
Speaker 1: Q and we have to hit by a certain point
Speaker 1: the climax of the prediction. So that's one. Um. A
Speaker 1: lot of our hallmarks I think are more hard hallmarks
Speaker 1: we do of things out of comedy rather than hallmarks
Speaker 1: of I mean, I guess that's what hallmarks of the
Speaker 1: show are too, But I would say stuff like that
Speaker 1: sort of going off on tangents that are less related
Speaker 1: about Gilmore Guys than less relevant to this show than
Speaker 1: relevant to our personal lives and what we just want
Speaker 1: to talk about. I guess, um, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of recurring bits that we do. What would you say
Speaker 1: our other hallmarks, Kevin? I would say that, And then
Speaker 1: uh certain getting obsessed with certain clips from the show
Speaker 1: and certain bits of dialogue that we just play over
Speaker 1: and over and over again to the point where it
Speaker 1: becomes hypnotic or musical and just in out, such as
Speaker 1: uh Dean in season one saying nice chicken or right now.
Speaker 1: We're obsessed with this clip in season five of Roy's saying,
Speaker 1: is that a new shirt? Because I like it? And
Speaker 1: she just says that in a very high pitched voice,
Speaker 1: and we just play that over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: almost like to the obnoxious point of being like a
Speaker 1: Morning Zoo Crew DJ jay or something, but hopefully telling
Speaker 1: that line. Well. And guys, guys, you can't downplay the
Speaker 1: precision of your fashion insights. Oh of course the fashion report, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, to two guys who know so much about fashion,
Speaker 1: as you can tell from the pictures we take for
Speaker 1: our show. Uh, just really getting into like all the
Speaker 1: details of we have no idea what we're talking about
Speaker 1: with fashion. That started as like a joke. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the show too. It started as a
Speaker 1: joke and now it's just become yeah, kind of a
Speaker 1: cornerstone segment. Um and then it's something I would other
Speaker 1: I would say as well, would be a segment of
Speaker 1: the show. It's just like making sure we're having a
Speaker 1: conversation with the audience, with the audience of the TV
Speaker 1: show on our podcast, because we just try to do
Speaker 1: we always do Twitter Q and a question answer and
Speaker 1: any anytime people have questions about the show or about
Speaker 1: the particular episode, always try to get to those. What
Speaker 1: we answer everyone's male who mails in? And we do, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a whole episode, whole episodes just dedicated to
Speaker 1: answering people's emails and whatnot. So so those would be
Speaker 1: some other hallmarks well. And just as a podcast host
Speaker 1: to a podcast host, I am curious about how much
Speaker 1: time both of you put into the show because you
Speaker 1: also put out a lot of shows. You have such
Speaker 1: um consistent fan engagement, like you're talking about, and you're
Speaker 1: also doing live events, right, So I mean it's different
Speaker 1: than prepping, you know, it's the time that we spend
Speaker 1: prepping the show before we record is very different than
Speaker 1: what would be normally required of a comedy podcast, just
Speaker 1: because we want to really do our homework and do
Speaker 1: our research and prepare the right clips and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and so I would I would estimate we put in
Speaker 1: about like six hours of prep work just to make
Speaker 1: sure all of our bases are covered. That's before we
Speaker 1: even turn on the mics, so you know, and just
Speaker 1: examining like, oh, what did people say about the episode
Speaker 1: when it came out, how was they received, what were
Speaker 1: the ratings, what else was on w B at the time,
Speaker 1: what were the promos that they were airing for those episodes,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Uh. So, you know, we
Speaker 1: spend a good amount of time doing that and then
Speaker 1: also on the post and on the post production and
Speaker 1: just making sure it sounds as good as it possibly
Speaker 1: can be and cutting out stupid stuff that we say. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the most entertaining things to listen to throughout
Speaker 1: the podcast is how sort of the hints and wishes
Speaker 1: wistful longings for the second seventh season to be redone
Speaker 1: or reboot of some sort. And obviously that's happening now
Speaker 1: to some extent with the Netflix deal and Demi you
Speaker 1: wrote about this recently in The Guardian and kind of
Speaker 1: asked this question of whether the show could work in
Speaker 1: the context of and obviously that was more about like
Speaker 1: the show picking up from where it left off. But
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know y'all's perspective on whether just the
Speaker 1: entire show itself, if we plopped Stars hollow and picked
Speaker 1: back up with Rory when she was in ninth grade,
Speaker 1: if the show could still work because there are so
Speaker 1: many facets of culture that would just seem out of place,
Speaker 1: especially technology, even outside of the technological aspect of having
Speaker 1: to update things to sort of fit in the scope
Speaker 1: of two fifteen and the technology we use and this
Speaker 1: sort of different way that drama plays out. I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but I don't think show like this
Speaker 1: could exist nowadays because it's too it's too placid, nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing big happens. It's not event television. It's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that would maybe run as a mini series
Speaker 1: and then get nominated for a lot of awards, but
Speaker 1: it's not really dramatic enough to see a teenager's life
Speaker 1: play out in a frankly a fairly calm way for
Speaker 1: seven years, and that's it's lovely to see. But it
Speaker 1: was also lovely to see in a time when that
Speaker 1: sort of television was all over the air waves. But
Speaker 1: now it's it's not there as much anymore unless it's
Speaker 1: got a sort of hook to it, Like even the
Speaker 1: podcast we do doesn't work without the hook of us
Speaker 1: being guys. So I think that for a show like Gilmore,
Speaker 1: where the whole idea is that it doesn't need a hook,
Speaker 1: it's just a very nice television show to watch is
Speaker 1: not as much of a draw in a world where
Speaker 1: every sort of television show has something to pull itself
Speaker 1: by the reins. I think Demmi is right in that
Speaker 1: most TV shows that are on now have to be
Speaker 1: some sort of concepts, So it's taking a thing and
Speaker 1: putting it somewhere else. So, you know, like the c W,
Speaker 1: which was you know, formerly the w B and Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls season seven was on the c W. Now almost
Speaker 1: everything they do is some sort of genre thing, like
Speaker 1: a zombie Icily is doing zombie stuff, Jane the Virgin
Speaker 1: is a play on Telenovela's Crazy Ex Girlfriend is a
Speaker 1: musical romantic comedy. Uh, and then of course all their
Speaker 1: superhero shows and stuff. So I don't know if it
Speaker 1: couldn't exist at all. It just I don't think it
Speaker 1: could exist for sure a network TV. I think it
Speaker 1: would be a very specific sort of home. It would
Speaker 1: have to find on something like Cable, maybe even something
Speaker 1: like ABC Family, which of course Bunheads was on afterwards,
Speaker 1: but even then that got canceled after one season because
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't high concept enough. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that sort of show could thrive. I
Speaker 1: think the closest uh parallel we could see too it
Speaker 1: also starting lawn Graham would be Parenthood, which is the
Speaker 1: only drama I can recall on network TV of the
Speaker 1: last like five five to eight years that was just
Speaker 1: the logline was, oh, it's a family and they go
Speaker 1: through stuff and they have conflicts being like and it's
Speaker 1: not and they're also werewolves or something like that. It's
Speaker 1: just that low concept of a thing. And Parenthood survived
Speaker 1: for you know, five or six seasons however long it was,
Speaker 1: So could guild more again, I'm not sure, But as
Speaker 1: far as like, and that's just like from a network perspective,
Speaker 1: like from a content perspective, I think definitely. I think
Speaker 1: the stories they tell sometimes they hinged on uh you know,
Speaker 1: an achronistic technology to us now and Roy has lines
Speaker 1: like oh I didn't get your page or something. But
Speaker 1: otherwise the core of the stories they're telling couldn't those
Speaker 1: conflicts couldn't be solved with like a tweet or a
Speaker 1: text message or something. So I think the core if
Speaker 1: they like remade a quote unquote for a new generation
Speaker 1: in I think the core of it would be the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like it kind of reminds me of the
Speaker 1: show Awkward a little bit, like Awkward seems kind of
Speaker 1: like a little bit of an update minus minus the lore,
Speaker 1: like character, actually minus the whole like female relationship. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: and then again Awkward is like that's MTV. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: and that's like that. I don't know if Awkward could
Speaker 1: make it in a in a network television model that
Speaker 1: we have. Now, you know, well, do you guys consider
Speaker 1: the show to be feminist? Do you think it's a
Speaker 1: feminist show? Uh? You know, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: for us to say, especially it's like two guys like
Speaker 1: this is feminist and this isn't feminist, But I would
Speaker 1: say that there's definitely strong female relationships, strong female characters
Speaker 1: are independent, and a metric that a lot of people
Speaker 1: apply I to see how a TV show or a
Speaker 1: movie is treating its female characters is something called the
Speaker 1: Bechtel test. Have you guys heard of this? So what
Speaker 1: we found in for your listeners who may not have
Speaker 1: heard of it. It's essentially you just ask yourself a
Speaker 1: couple of questions about a movie or TV show. Are
Speaker 1: you know question number one? Are there two or more
Speaker 1: female characters? In the movie or TV show. Number two,
Speaker 1: do they talk to each other? Number three? Do they
Speaker 1: talk to each other about something that's not a man
Speaker 1: or the male main character, et cetera. And what we
Speaker 1: found in doing the first season um was that it
Speaker 1: kind of failed the reverse Bechtel test, you know Moore
Speaker 1: Girls did in that two males didn't talk to each
Speaker 1: other until like episode five, which is actually like not
Speaker 1: something like Damie was saying. It's not saying they emphasize
Speaker 1: and like we're women, but you know, it's not a
Speaker 1: focal point of the show. But it's just one of
Speaker 1: those things that's that's in a in a strange way,
Speaker 1: almost casually progressive, if that makes sense, and that like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, let's just have all the lead most all
Speaker 1: the leads to be female, and that they talked to
Speaker 1: each other, if that makes sense. So I think there's
Speaker 1: definitely some feminist value to it. Of course, Lorela is
Speaker 1: like an amazing strong character, and they're all like human characters.
Speaker 1: I think would be the best way to put it, like,
Speaker 1: regardless of this is what a woman should be or
Speaker 1: shouldn't be or blah blah blah. That Amy Sherman Palladino
Speaker 1: took care to create these well rounded, nuanced, flawed, amazing
Speaker 1: people that happened to be women. I think is the
Speaker 1: main strength of the show. Well, you mentioned casually progressive.
Speaker 1: Now stars Hollow is a pretty straight white town. Do
Speaker 1: you think do you think that their lack of diversity
Speaker 1: detracts from it from the show at all? I don't
Speaker 1: think it detracts from an as much as it does
Speaker 1: paint the idea that this is a very uh, very
Speaker 1: specific view of a small town. It doesn't try to
Speaker 1: make a point about its lack of diversity, doesn't really
Speaker 1: try to make a point of the few black characters
Speaker 1: it does have. And I don't think that's necessarily a
Speaker 1: huge flaw of the show as much as it is
Speaker 1: just kind of this a real reflection of the show
Speaker 1: creators sort of life like it's not you know, she
Speaker 1: is a white a straight white woman, and she's writing
Speaker 1: a show about straight white women, and and it's sort
Speaker 1: of I wouldn't say it's a criticism of the show
Speaker 1: that it doesn't have too many minority characters, but it
Speaker 1: does sort of limit the stories they can tell, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't really it's one thing that they don't kind
Speaker 1: of delve into in the sense that they don't really
Speaker 1: delve into stories that are so female specific at times,
Speaker 1: or make a point about female relationships in the show.
Speaker 1: They can't do like I think they so much don't
Speaker 1: want to get pointed about the drama they have. They
Speaker 1: want to keep it general that they don't even see
Speaker 1: the idea that general conflict can apply to portraying the
Speaker 1: conflict of other races as well, or other sexualities, or
Speaker 1: even uh, the conflicts that anyone different than the characters
Speaker 1: they portray would experience. You know. They just want to
Speaker 1: present conflicts and stories that are applicable to people of
Speaker 1: literally every creed, which means not doing something that is
Speaker 1: so specific to women, or to men, or to white people,
Speaker 1: or to gay people or anyone. It's just here's a
Speaker 1: story that applies to a person, and we just have
Speaker 1: we just happen to have given the avatar for that
Speaker 1: person to a female white woman. That was a lot
Speaker 1: of rambling. I don't know if that made sense, that
Speaker 1: made total sense. Um. Since everyone is now asking YouTube
Speaker 1: about the Netflix reboot, I am curious to know if
Speaker 1: each of you, could, you know, put a bug in
Speaker 1: Amy Sherman Palladinos here and be like you must do this.
Speaker 1: I want to see this. Is there anything do you
Speaker 1: have any kind of like wishless? I mean also for
Speaker 1: you to me, you haven't even seen the entire show yet, right,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's still so much. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: is there is there anything that that you would especially
Speaker 1: like or something I don't know, a character you wouldn't
Speaker 1: mind never seeing again. Well, I'll assure you that we
Speaker 1: have no power, influence and control over what Amy Sharman
Speaker 1: Paladina decides to do. And uh, I mean as far
Speaker 1: as what I want to see, I don't really have
Speaker 1: any expectations for it, truthfully, of like, they need to
Speaker 1: hit this point and they need to do this with
Speaker 1: Luke and then Jess needs to blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: then Rory's got a dada because especially to like in
Speaker 1: the age of like the reboot and the revival and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, it seems like setting yourself up to
Speaker 1: be disappointed by walking in with too much of that baggage.
Speaker 1: So and maybe that's the politicians answer is like I
Speaker 1: want them to do whatever they want to do. But
Speaker 1: that is truly my answer. If anything. You know what,
Speaker 1: here's one thing I would love to see. I would
Speaker 1: love to see Kirk's successful uh in successfully running his
Speaker 1: own business of some sort. That is like just a
Speaker 1: crazy the uh success story and just he's huge and
Speaker 1: and uh and he's a millionaire now. That would be great.
Speaker 1: That's really sweet. Um. One one thing I'm curious to
Speaker 1: get y'alls take on is do you think Suky will
Speaker 1: be and the Netflix reboot? I mean, Melissa McCarthy obviously
Speaker 1: is like so huge now and has been kind of
Speaker 1: absent from all of the reunion stuff. I think if
Speaker 1: they do, it will kind of be what they did
Speaker 1: with Bradley Cooper and What American Summer, where he's just
Speaker 1: kind of there for one or two days filming all
Speaker 1: of his scenes, and maybe we hear Sukie's voice off
Speaker 1: screen saying things to suggest that she's in the room,
Speaker 1: but we don't see her as much as we'd like to,
Speaker 1: or there are a lot of stand in shots. And
Speaker 1: that's even just the best case scenario, because in my mind,
Speaker 1: it's a foregone conclusion that Melissa McCarthy will not be there, like,
Speaker 1: which is a shame, but it's also I think it's understandable,
Speaker 1: and I like to imagine that even though everyone would
Speaker 1: love to see it and can't imagine the show without Suki,
Speaker 1: she is not one of the central for like the
Speaker 1: central characters of the show, and I think that they
Speaker 1: could rewrite or they could write this sort of finale
Speaker 1: to the show without her being there more than a
Speaker 1: few episodes. Like even in the show as we're watching now,
Speaker 1: she's not in too many episodes. She doesn't have too
Speaker 1: many main stories, especially when she gets pregnant. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of touch and go when she comes into deliver
Speaker 1: a few quips, and I think that's exactly what it
Speaker 1: would be for the new season. But her Risotto, magic Risotta,
Speaker 1: magic Rosta. You could just make a risotto and then go, hey,
Speaker 1: I made a risotto. Just played that clip in every episode,
Speaker 1: just coming around. Yes, what a brilliant solution. Um One.
Speaker 1: One final question I have for YouTube is could you
Speaker 1: which Kevin which stars Hollo character would Demi be and Demi?
Speaker 1: Same to you for Kevin, oh dang uh? For Demi, well,
Speaker 1: Demi is uh loyal and thoughtful and contemplatives, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Luke. Demmi would be Luke, which is
Speaker 1: funny because I was gonna go with Taylor because you
Speaker 1: keep the whole show running. Yes, I'm very much the
Speaker 1: Taylor in the bad way. Well, guys, those are all
Speaker 1: of our questions. Are there any parting thoughts on the
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls or the Gilmore Guys that you would like
Speaker 1: to leave our listeners with that we haven't asked you about. Uh,
Speaker 1: you can just check out our show Monday and Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: It's on iTunes and SoundCloud and wherever you can find
Speaker 1: podcasts and and check our website Gilmore Guys Show dot
Speaker 1: com for tour dates and we'll be hitting the road
Speaker 1: again in January, doing some dates up in the Pacific
Speaker 1: Northwest and Portland and Seattle and hopefully come into a
Speaker 1: town near you. So thanks again so much to Kevin
Speaker 1: and Demi. I loved talking with them because I am
Speaker 1: just impressed by such passion and dedication to the Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls honestly, and I mean it's it's a passion and
Speaker 1: dedication that so many of our listeners have. So I
Speaker 1: hope you guys really enjoyed our chat with them and listeners.
Speaker 1: Now it's your turn. We want to know what you
Speaker 1: all think about the Gilmo Our Girls, What are your
Speaker 1: favorite episodes, who are your favorite characters, what do you
Speaker 1: want to see happen in the Netflix reboot? And do
Speaker 1: you think season seven is as bad as everyone else thinks?
Speaker 1: Because oh, you know, I think there are some redeeming
Speaker 1: qualities And do you think it's a feminist show? Mom
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Speaker 1: can send us all your Gilmore Girls thoughts, and you
Speaker 1: can also tweet us at mom Stuff podcast and messages
Speaker 1: on Facebook. And huge thanks to those of you who
Speaker 1: sent us some audio letters of the things that you
Speaker 1: love about the Gilmore Girls. So the listener mail segment
Speaker 1: of this episode is going to be a little bit different,
Speaker 1: and we're going to share a few of your letters
Speaker 1: and Gilmore Girls reminiscences with you right now. Hi, Christine, Caroline,
Speaker 1: this is Anna. I'm from Saratoga Springs and a member
Speaker 1: of a very large family of Sminty listeners. I was
Speaker 1: really excited to see you both work covering Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 1: which is quite possibly my favorite TV show. Um In
Speaker 1: terms of favorites from that show, I would say my
Speaker 1: favorite moment has to be was in TJ's wedding. For
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, the Renaissance aspect definitely being one
Speaker 1: of them, but the first dance two sand Pulp's reflecting
Speaker 1: Light was definitely has to be my favorite moment in
Speaker 1: the series, um, just because watching Luke and Lorely dance
Speaker 1: was really interesting. You see they start off, you know,
Speaker 1: with a lot more space between the two of them
Speaker 1: and a little awkward in their steps, and by the
Speaker 1: end of the song, you see they're just physically closer
Speaker 1: and moving smoothly, and you see them get comfortable, which
Speaker 1: for me is kind of what their whole relationship arc was. Um. So,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was intentional, but that was something
Speaker 1: I always noticed and really enjoyed when watching that scene.
Speaker 1: So U keep sharing all the awesome shows. I listened
Speaker 1: to y'all every week, and I'm constantly converting other people
Speaker 1: to listen. Have a great day, So thanks for that, Anna,
Speaker 1: And next up we have Liz, who shared her Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls thoughts and in a follow up email, she wrote,
Speaker 1: I think something about having four brothers and no sisters
Speaker 1: growing up reinforced my attraction to a show full of
Speaker 1: female influence. I also got the rare opportunity to visit
Speaker 1: the set back when they were filming on a w
Speaker 1: B studio tour. Flip the f out as I stood
Speaker 1: in their doorway and walked on Emily's driveway and wandered
Speaker 1: around the gazebo. Total fangirl moment. And here's what else
Speaker 1: lived at to day. I am a huge Gilmore Girls fan.
Speaker 1: I love the wit of the show. I love the humor,
Speaker 1: I love the intelligence of strong female characters. I'm I
Speaker 1: think it's creative and fan since it first came out
Speaker 1: back in two thousands. Um, what's kind of weird. But
Speaker 1: I recently realized is it came out in two thousand.
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, the character Greorious sixteen now just a
Speaker 1: few months out from World returning thirty two, which is
Speaker 1: the same age as the lore like character when the
Speaker 1: show first starts. Um, it's just kind of um interesting
Speaker 1: to me that the show is still such Um, you know,
Speaker 1: a piece of my pop cultural reference and things that
Speaker 1: I that I think about in relation to my life. Um,
Speaker 1: it's definitely show that I keep coming back to. You know,
Speaker 1: almost every life transition I go through, I end up um,
Speaker 1: you know, doing sort of new binge watch of Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: And as I've done that over my life. It's been
Speaker 1: interesting to see how you know, obviously the show hasn't
Speaker 1: actually changed, but my viewing of it has. And when
Speaker 1: it first started, I was very much he Rory in
Speaker 1: terms of which character I would vote or I would
Speaker 1: identify with most. So you know, as a as a teenager,
Speaker 1: I also worked to a private school. I also, you know,
Speaker 1: more uniform every day. I had a lot of similar
Speaker 1: experience as a the Rory character. And then in college,
Speaker 1: I think I started to identify more with the overlye character. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, she was like doing more dating and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And now as I approached the aide red lie Is
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show, I find myself identifying
Speaker 1: more with Emily in the show. So it's just kind
Speaker 1: of this weird influence on my life that I also
Speaker 1: kind of love because it's such a strong show and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's something that people kind of are
Speaker 1: like fiercely attached to it, and I'm I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: hear that it's um, you know, supposed to be be coming
Speaker 1: back for a short revived bowld To and the show
Speaker 1: properly with the original writers. And finally, Lindsay shared with
Speaker 1: us her favorite episode Kurik's movie. Enough said, so thanks
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