Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from House top
Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline,
Speaker 1: Pat and Kristin. Today we are talking about something that's
Speaker 1: related to Kim Kardashian some other celebrities on Instagram, and
Speaker 1: something that's really actually a little uncomfortable to talk about,
Speaker 1: mainly because it's literally uncomfortable. It's it's waste training. Yeah, whearing. Course,
Speaker 1: it's while you work out. Yeah, there's nothing about that.
Speaker 1: It sounds great. I'm a very heavy exercise breather. Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm embarrassing. I'm it's it's embarrassing for me and
Speaker 1: everyone around me, Like on the treadmill when I'm running,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how much worse it would be if
Speaker 1: I were wearing like a restricting garment around my middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that you would get too far on
Speaker 1: that treadmill. It sounds like if I just pass out,
Speaker 1: you need a fainting couch, perhaps next to the treadmill,
Speaker 1: so that you could gracefully fall in my modern day courset. Yes,
Speaker 1: and Caroline, I've been wanting an excuse to learn more
Speaker 1: about waste training, not because I am interested in training
Speaker 1: my waist um. But because I've been seeing billboards around
Speaker 1: Atlanta for waste trainers. Oh yes, I've seen some billboards,
Speaker 1: and some girlfriends of mine have mentioned it, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm aware of Kim Kardashian and I may or may
Speaker 1: not follow her on Instagram because that's that's just what
Speaker 1: you do. And she and her sisters take selfies every
Speaker 1: now and then of them wearing these waste trainers, and
Speaker 1: it has partially things to Kim, but also two stars
Speaker 1: like Jessica Alba and Amber Rose. A lot of other
Speaker 1: women have turned to waste training, and it's also become
Speaker 1: one of those cottage industries like selling scented candles or
Speaker 1: perfumes or tupperware out of your home. I'm serious, where
Speaker 1: women are now selling them too to their friends. So
Speaker 1: it's a whole little little industry that's bubbled up. That's
Speaker 1: really interesting because unlike tupperware, which actually does keep your
Speaker 1: food fresh, waste training does not actually help you get
Speaker 1: in shape. Oh but waste trainers would beg to differ,
Speaker 1: and they may beg that I will decline. Well, this
Speaker 1: is going to be is be a highly heated conversation.
Speaker 1: It sounds like heated, because well, you gotta work up
Speaker 1: a sweat to burn off. I am literally sweating in
Speaker 1: my corset. Are you wearing a corset right now? Just
Speaker 1: a mental the mental bombs. Well, this is true, Caroline,
Speaker 1: that if you wear a corset it will change the
Speaker 1: shape of your waist. It absolutely will. Now, of course,
Speaker 1: when you take off that corset after a while, it's
Speaker 1: a different case. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Um.
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, the nose and of waste training is something
Speaker 1: that women have been doing for a long time ever
Speaker 1: throughout the history. Of course, it's this was more technically
Speaker 1: referred to as tight lacing, of lacing your corset and
Speaker 1: wearing it in such a way to achieve a smaller
Speaker 1: and smaller looking waist. Yeah, whereas today refers particularly to
Speaker 1: exercising wearing a a sort of a belly band type
Speaker 1: waste trainer. New ag that sounds like it's en yea
Speaker 1: and enny of course that you're you're an Enya courset.
Speaker 1: It's so so peaceful. But the one that that I
Speaker 1: saw Kim Kardashian wearing in a lot of pictures, it's
Speaker 1: not like she's wearing, you know, the silken whalebone corset
Speaker 1: that victorians were donning in in the course, it's popular age.
Speaker 1: She's wearing something that's it's like, it's like a sporty corset.
Speaker 1: It's a sporting course, but a lot of them are
Speaker 1: still steel bone and restrict your mobility. And for intensive
Speaker 1: waste trainers, you not only wear them to exercise, but
Speaker 1: it's also recommended that you wear them four to six
Speaker 1: hours a day during your daily routine. If you're really
Speaker 1: intense about it. You'll even sleep in the thing if
Speaker 1: you can manage to sleep in it. Yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: supposedly wearing this corset, whether you're working out in it,
Speaker 1: sleeping in it, or all of the above, is it's
Speaker 1: supposed to promote water weight loss around the midsection and
Speaker 1: make it almost impossible to eat a regular sized meal.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're feeling super constricted and
Speaker 1: your stomachs pulled in and you feel like your whole
Speaker 1: rib cage is kind of getting sucked in, I've been
Speaker 1: eating like a big cheeseburger dinner, isn't going to feel
Speaker 1: like it's the best idea. Yeah, you can't make it
Speaker 1: physically impossible to stuff yourself. Yeah, And so anatomically speaking,
Speaker 1: the whole goal is to narrow that space between your
Speaker 1: hips and your rib cage. And expert corset maker and
Speaker 1: where Autumn atom speaking to wracked swears by not only
Speaker 1: the way slimming effect of wearing a corset more of
Speaker 1: corset than a Kim Kardashian style waste trainer, but also
Speaker 1: just the impact of standing up straight. Well, I can
Speaker 1: see that you want a posture posture helper, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the pot But when you sit up straight, it
Speaker 1: naturally causes you. As my MoMA taught me growing up,
Speaker 1: it teaches you to hold in your stomach. You naturally
Speaker 1: constrict those abdomen muscles a little bit more. Um. But
Speaker 1: it is important, as we're talking about waste trainers and
Speaker 1: corsets to not confuse fitness oriented waste training with fetish
Speaker 1: oriented tight lacing, because when it comes to modern corsetry,
Speaker 1: some people will wear corsets as we think of them
Speaker 1: in the more Victorian Edwardian context, for historical garb, but
Speaker 1: some also will wear them for fetish purposes. You really
Speaker 1: enjoy that kind of tight lacing. It can be a
Speaker 1: form of bondage. And Kelly Lee Decay is someone who
Speaker 1: knows a lot about this and does not want to
Speaker 1: be associated with wasted training. Yeah, she has a teeny
Speaker 1: tiny waist when she puts on her corset, it's just
Speaker 1: sixteen inches, and she is no newbie to this whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's been wearing this teeny tiny corset for
Speaker 1: seven years or more. She says, I'm not a waste trainer.
Speaker 1: I'm a tight laser. I'm a corset fetishist, and my
Speaker 1: tight lysing goes beyond vanity. I love the artistry in
Speaker 1: the construction of the corset and the people who are
Speaker 1: a part of that culture. So no, Kim Kardashian and
Speaker 1: Kelly Lee Decay are not pursuing the same end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in that interview with Cosmopolitan, Decay goes on to
Speaker 1: clarify how, yes, she's also a feminist, that this is
Speaker 1: part of her body image and expression and her sexuality
Speaker 1: and it's all part of the same thing. So um
Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting to see all of the
Speaker 1: conversations that crop up any time any sort of course
Speaker 1: a tree is mentioned. Yeah, she definitely mentions the whole
Speaker 1: the whole choice politics thing in her feminism of you know,
Speaker 1: you might not agree with this. You might not like this,
Speaker 1: but you don't really get to tell me what to
Speaker 1: do with my body. I enjoy having a sixteen inch waist,
Speaker 1: so that's that's how that is. And she claimed it's
Speaker 1: very comfortable, which probably after seven years of wearing a corset,
Speaker 1: you you get used to it. And as expert corset
Speaker 1: makers will tell you, if you have one that is
Speaker 1: fitted properly to your body, it shouldn't be as uncomfortable
Speaker 1: as we would imagine. Yeah, a lot of course. It
Speaker 1: makers really hammer home having an understanding of anatomy because
Speaker 1: ideally your organs would not be squished or or malformed
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um. So hopefully when you're buying
Speaker 1: your corsets, you're buying up from somebody who knows what
Speaker 1: they're doing. But there is always the advice to buy
Speaker 1: one first off the rack before you get one specialty made,
Speaker 1: because your waist just nips in so fast and I
Speaker 1: think the course it's too stretch out to a degree,
Speaker 1: I guess unless they're steel boned. Yeah, maybe that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing of buying it off the rack first, see
Speaker 1: how you like it, and so if it does stretch out,
Speaker 1: you can just toss it. If you just throw it
Speaker 1: away with all your braws, just burn, burn the course,
Speaker 1: burn the course. That's what Victorian feminists were doing. Well,
Speaker 1: we speaking of course, it's we need to give a
Speaker 1: little bit of corset history, because while waste training is
Speaker 1: a new exercise fad, it isn't anything new this idea
Speaker 1: of using this kind of specific shape where to alter
Speaker 1: our feminine silhouette. Yeah, women in Crete about three thousand
Speaker 1: years ago are actually thought to be the first women
Speaker 1: to don these corset like body shaping garments that covered
Speaker 1: the waist and hips. So not exactly what you would
Speaker 1: think of when you think of that stereotypical Victorian corset,
Speaker 1: but still a body shaping garment nonetheless. But speaking of
Speaker 1: Victorians and their course, it's we did get a lot
Speaker 1: of great perspective from articles at our own website, how
Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com, but also Collector's Weekly, which we've
Speaker 1: cited a number of times on the podcast, and a
Speaker 1: lot of course IT fans as well. As these articles
Speaker 1: do point out that there are a lot of sort
Speaker 1: of courset wearing myths out there. Yeah, the notion that
Speaker 1: Victorian women had their ribs removed in order to achieve
Speaker 1: tinier waste is complete myth because ay, the medical technology
Speaker 1: at the time would have made that a very high
Speaker 1: mortality rate kind of operation. Um. And of course it's
Speaker 1: though we're a lot of times worn, particularly for wealthier
Speaker 1: young girls from an early age, and in that case
Speaker 1: they might permanently bend the rib cages because if you
Speaker 1: think about the growing developing body, if you're wearing this
Speaker 1: kind of shapewear in the same way that you might
Speaker 1: think of foot binding, yeah it can it can alter
Speaker 1: that anatomy as well. But no one was pulling a
Speaker 1: god in the garden of Eden and like ripping out
Speaker 1: a rib here and there, pulling the god pull it
Speaker 1: always pulling a god on well, I mean yeah. We
Speaker 1: read this thesis by Katherine Marie Clingerman called Binding Femininity
Speaker 1: and Examination of the Effects of tight Lacing on the
Speaker 1: Female Pelvis, and Clingerman does mention that both girls and
Speaker 1: boys wore these sort of binding garments for a while
Speaker 1: in childhood because it was associated so strongly with proper development,
Speaker 1: and so not only was the course that part of
Speaker 1: proper attire for a lot of girls and women, but
Speaker 1: it was considered part of normal, healthy development. Making sure
Speaker 1: you grew up tall, straight and strong um and scolios
Speaker 1: is in a lot of cases, according to Clingerman, was
Speaker 1: blamed on not being properly laced up into your shaping garment. Well,
Speaker 1: and these days, if you do develop scoliosis, a lot
Speaker 1: of times you will wear a corset like back brace,
Speaker 1: which is not the same thing as a waste trainer,
Speaker 1: right exactly. And speaking of today and waste training, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of good opinions of it when you
Speaker 1: when you ask the doctors about the topic. For instance,
Speaker 1: Leslie Heinberg, who's the director of Behavioral Sciences for the
Speaker 1: Bariatric and Metabolic Institute of the Cleveland Clinic, explained that, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, if a woman wants to wear spanks to
Speaker 1: get a smoother look, that's understandable, But wearing a course
Speaker 1: it isn't a good choice for weight loss intervention or
Speaker 1: even physiologically. Not a lot of doctors on the side
Speaker 1: of waste training. Yeah. Doctor Caroline Apovian, who's a professor
Speaker 1: of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine and a
Speaker 1: spokesperson for the Obesity Society, has been pretty outspoken against
Speaker 1: waste training. She told Health Dot com in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's complete nonsense. And other doctors as well, like Nicole Florence,
Speaker 1: who's the co director of Memorial Weight Loss and Wellness
Speaker 1: Center at Memorial Medical Center, highlight how even though you
Speaker 1: might be seeing a different, more I pleasing shape on
Speaker 1: the outside, the reshaping that is going on on the
Speaker 1: inside isn't so good. Um. And Dr Florence, speaking to
Speaker 1: Ebny magazine highlights how restricting that movement in your mid
Speaker 1: section can also restrict your lungs, which can lead to
Speaker 1: lung problems, as well as restricting your bowels, which can
Speaker 1: cause constipation, Which makes me think, are we trading a
Speaker 1: smaller looking waist temporarily for not being able to poop
Speaker 1: well and lung infections? But I'm not being able to
Speaker 1: poop and not being able to poop. Yeah, So you're
Speaker 1: you're slimming things down just so that when you take
Speaker 1: it off, things are a little bloated. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and on top of that, there's a possibility of bruising
Speaker 1: and rib pain. Um. And yeah, I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily breaking any ribs to do this, and um. Old
Speaker 1: myths about wearing corset's like misshaping your liver and giving
Speaker 1: people tuberculosis aren't true, but it's still not very healthy
Speaker 1: overall if you're wearing them every day for the recommended
Speaker 1: four to six hours. Oh and by the way, if
Speaker 1: you want to get real results, then go ahead and
Speaker 1: sleep in it too. And one thing in reading about
Speaker 1: all of this, it was in the back of my
Speaker 1: mind the whole time, was the issue of like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you've got this outside force supporting your middle all
Speaker 1: the time, does that not just make the muscles that
Speaker 1: are meant to do that anyway get weaker? And I
Speaker 1: was really concerned about this fact, and I looked it
Speaker 1: up in there. There is some stuff on on like
Speaker 1: the very atric belly band websites about like if people
Speaker 1: are using that those types of of cinctures for non
Speaker 1: approved medical use, and they use them for too long,
Speaker 1: then it can cause some of those muscles to get weaker.
Speaker 1: Because that's what your core is. Your your core, your
Speaker 1: natural courset is to to hold you up and and
Speaker 1: make sure that you are sitting up straight well. And
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be more challenging to strengthen that natural core,
Speaker 1: Caroline if you develop something like oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a hiatus hernia, which at one point was a certain
Speaker 1: type of it linked to tight lacing in the Victorian era,
Speaker 1: was named for Dr Samuel Thomas von Summering, who warned
Speaker 1: against the health dangers of tight lacing and finally got
Speaker 1: a hernia named after him, so he got that, He
Speaker 1: got that that feather in his cap. It can also
Speaker 1: cause Glennard's disease, which comes about if you are a
Speaker 1: long term tight laser, and it is marked by that
Speaker 1: muscle atrophy. But not only that, it's marked by a
Speaker 1: shifting of the organs away from their natural position. That
Speaker 1: sounds horrifying. I want my organs to stay where they are,
Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be. I know me too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm area. I already have no idea what's going on
Speaker 1: in there, and that weirds me out enough to imagine
Speaker 1: them moving around, because I mean, you've already think about
Speaker 1: You've already got your uterus floating around, and so it's
Speaker 1: already pushing the organs around. Crystal. Well, speaking Caroline, this
Speaker 1: is a total side note, But speaking of your wandering
Speaker 1: womb guys, back in the Victorian era, a lot of
Speaker 1: them actually weren't huge fans of course a treat because
Speaker 1: tight lacing was a thought to be a cause of hysteria.
Speaker 1: So if you're if you're squeezing, you're crazy, yout around crazy,
Speaker 1: you too tightly, excuse me, then it might make you crazy.
Speaker 1: But isn't that funny though? Isn't that funny that? Yes,
Speaker 1: that's an extreme exam bull but so many things that
Speaker 1: women do to sort of fit what society tells them
Speaker 1: they're supposed to look like, in this case literally fitting
Speaker 1: like literally tying a corset around themselves to fit. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what waste training is today, and
Speaker 1: it's what we've been doing for hundreds of years now,
Speaker 1: just wearing different kinds of shapewear and moving our bodies
Speaker 1: or not moving our bodies in certain kinds of ways
Speaker 1: in order to emulate an ideal. And right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: think about the kinds of more quote unquote bombshell silhouettes
Speaker 1: that are in vogue. It is Kim Kardashian, Indeedavanti's and
Speaker 1: Christina Hendrix and Nicki Minaj, and absolutely nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: those women being seen as sex symbols. The question is
Speaker 1: how far are we going to go to try to
Speaker 1: look like them? And when we come back from a
Speaker 1: quick break, we'll talk about more ways in which that
Speaker 1: waste training really doesn't work. So if you go into
Speaker 1: Instagram and search the hashtag waste training, you will get
Speaker 1: so many photos, Caroline, I sat there for a good
Speaker 1: let's just say five minutes, which is a whole minute.
Speaker 1: It's a long time to look at waste training photos
Speaker 1: and videos, and there are so many selfies. That's the
Speaker 1: whole thing too, is that this waste training fat is
Speaker 1: not just about working out on your own. It's a
Speaker 1: very public performance as well, because you've got to do
Speaker 1: the selfie. Compared to ashion as a selfie, so you
Speaker 1: got to take the selfie. And of course also if
Speaker 1: you are one of those people selling waste trainers, then
Speaker 1: you definitely got a selfie to show off. Hey, ladies,
Speaker 1: look at me and my trainer. Don't you want to
Speaker 1: look like me? Let me sell you one if it,
Speaker 1: if it really worked, would would you need so many selfies?
Speaker 1: Well that's an excellent question. But I also think that
Speaker 1: it's just part of the entire fad and our entire
Speaker 1: culture today because think about fitspiration, workout selfies in general.
Speaker 1: I mean the times that I have necessarily seen photos
Speaker 1: of snooky weightlifting. It's so far are you following fucking Caroline?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I have my indulgences on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Thank you, I like, I like, I like, I like.
Speaker 1: It better to imagine that you're just like being bombarded
Speaker 1: with like snooky workout pictures, like wherever you go, just
Speaker 1: like pops up. You just can't avoid them. It's all
Speaker 1: pop up ads all the time. But in real life
Speaker 1: they pop up on the sidewalks, in the bathrooms, in
Speaker 1: my closet. Um. But but it's true though, like there
Speaker 1: are those particular kinds of celebrities in quotes or fit
Speaker 1: mis Instagram stars who who are constantly posting photos of
Speaker 1: themselves working out. Does Kim legitimate question? Does Kim Kardashian
Speaker 1: have her own brand a voice trainer? No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: But I have a pet theory that the Kardashian sisters
Speaker 1: initially got into just kind of testing the waters of
Speaker 1: this whole waist training thing, because of course it's with
Speaker 1: a k is a Kardashian product waiting to happen. What
Speaker 1: I wonder if the case would be backwards, like somehow,
Speaker 1: I don't know how that would work somebody who does logos.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could figure it out. Are we already
Speaker 1: working at the logo for Kardashian corsets with a K? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I want to get on on this on the ground floor. Well, Caroline,
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say, if we want to beat
Speaker 1: them to the punch CEE and see see C C C.
Speaker 1: Christen and Caroline's corsets. But yeah, no, yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: how those things are really spelled. So yes, but actually
Speaker 1: it's just a pizza shape like a corset. Help, but
Speaker 1: treat yourself, you know. Well, okay, so the people are
Speaker 1: dying to know, and I'm a little curious too because
Speaker 1: I am such I'm I'm one step beyond skeptic, which
Speaker 1: is a poop o er. I think a professional pooper.
Speaker 1: I think it's hashtag disdain. So so I need I
Speaker 1: need to know, and the people need to know if
Speaker 1: these things actually work. Well, here's the thing. Okay, there
Speaker 1: are other people that I have talked to who still
Speaker 1: swear up and down waste trainers work. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have Jessica Alba, who famously told some tabloids sometime that
Speaker 1: right after she had a baby, she wore a waste trainer,
Speaker 1: and it shrunk her uterus back to its pre baby size.
Speaker 1: And here are the waste training myths that we need
Speaker 1: to debunk because listen, listeners, I waste anytime in our
Speaker 1: lives wearing an uncomfortable corset and getting just sweaty stomachs.
Speaker 1: It's hard enough for me to our pants. I know
Speaker 1: it's true. So the fact of the matter is that
Speaker 1: waste trainers just compress your stomach and push fat around.
Speaker 1: They don't actually get rid of the fat, right, Because
Speaker 1: what gets rid of fat eating healthier, eating less fat,
Speaker 1: eating less exercising, getting active, burning those calories, working that core,
Speaker 1: working that core. Well, there was that trainer talking to
Speaker 1: Harper's Bizarre magazine that we read, saying it's not just
Speaker 1: about wearing it, it's about exercising while you wear it
Speaker 1: to help spot reduce the stomach. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When it comes to spot reducing, that is not actually
Speaker 1: it's not possible. That is not how our bodies work.
Speaker 1: If your stomach gets really, really really sweaty, as it
Speaker 1: does when you wear this thing, or when I'm wearing pants,
Speaker 1: like Caroline is wearing your trash bag pants every day
Speaker 1: to work, it is very loud switches all around. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that your stomach is the only thing that's
Speaker 1: going to right right right. I mean, we we touched
Speaker 1: on that concept in our in our episode on cankles,
Speaker 1: and that you you can't. There is aerobic exercise and
Speaker 1: strength exercise and stretching exercises that you can do for
Speaker 1: your whole body that will benefit your health overall and
Speaker 1: might shrink address size or whatever. But you're not going
Speaker 1: to spot reduce an ankle or spot reduce a stomach.
Speaker 1: Sure you can do all the sit ups and crunches
Speaker 1: and ad work in the world, but you still have
Speaker 1: You're still gonna have if you have fat, you have fat.
Speaker 1: It's not just like going to be like we're going
Speaker 1: to migrate to the arms and the legs instead, let's
Speaker 1: go fat shells. Here we go, because it's straight to
Speaker 1: your boobs. We're not wanted. Let's go else, Let's go
Speaker 1: straight to your But you're welcome. If only that is
Speaker 1: how it works, if you just kind of I think
Speaker 1: our little impression of fatsils just made me like them
Speaker 1: a little more. Hey Caroline, Hey just gotta hang out here, Okay,
Speaker 1: stay in the boots, don't go anywhere else, stay put.
Speaker 1: And the thing to keep in mind is too, if
Speaker 1: you do wear a waste trainer and you're exercising and
Speaker 1: you're saying, all of a sudden, my body is so
Speaker 1: much slimmer, it has to be that thing about how
Speaker 1: much you're eating. Yeah, you can't eat as much when
Speaker 1: you wear these things. So yes, your body will very
Speaker 1: much change, probably change shape in some way or another
Speaker 1: by virtue of wearing these, but it's not the healthiest
Speaker 1: way to do it. And when it comes to that
Speaker 1: post pregnancy weight loss factor, the uterus shrinks in its
Speaker 1: own time. Squeezing it back down is not how that
Speaker 1: works well. And we should mention too that there are
Speaker 1: medical reasons why some people might wear a corset like garments.
Speaker 1: Yeah we mentioned earlier, wearing a brace for scoliosis to
Speaker 1: help straighten the spine, or wearing non surgical lap bands
Speaker 1: for people who have had bariatric bypass surgery. Um I
Speaker 1: mean scoliosis. Braces are designed to actually support your bones,
Speaker 1: they're not meant to reshape anything internal. And you also
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that bariatric patients are also
Speaker 1: adhering to specific dieting regiments. It's not like people are
Speaker 1: just handed some sort of band or support device and
Speaker 1: like magically they're better or thinner or whatever. Um, there's
Speaker 1: more that needs to happen to change your body. Well.
Speaker 1: I wonder though, if part of the waste trainer appeal
Speaker 1: is how where in it when you go to work
Speaker 1: out you do look thinner. Maybe it's psychologically tricks you
Speaker 1: into wanting to work out more because you're instantly seeing
Speaker 1: results in quotes, Yeah, I mean total placebo effect. Perhaps
Speaker 1: we've seen that with compression garments too, with for for athletes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And speaking of compression garments, there's also increasing research that
Speaker 1: that kind of apparel that ostensibly improves blood flow during
Speaker 1: workouts is also placebo effect. It might be good to
Speaker 1: wear after a workout to reduce swelling, but unless your
Speaker 1: doctor has recommended that you wear those calf compression socks
Speaker 1: or the arm bands, I mean, you can feel like
Speaker 1: you can get like a whole head to toe suit,
Speaker 1: the scuba suit if you really want one. Now they're
Speaker 1: so popular that it's really just our minds tricking us
Speaker 1: into thinking that we're getting more bang for our work
Speaker 1: out book. Yeah, because the study we read about that
Speaker 1: NPR reported on they gave compression garments to a bunch
Speaker 1: of athletes and told them to go work out or
Speaker 1: go work out without them. See how your workouts affected
Speaker 1: And the only people who actually performed better with the
Speaker 1: compression garment where the people who already believed that those
Speaker 1: garments would help them. Is it a little like Emperor's
Speaker 1: New clothes going on? It is? But like super like
Speaker 1: more more sassy, more sassy, and so expensive and yeah,
Speaker 1: a little shiny, Yeah, and shapewear, all of spanks are
Speaker 1: not off the hook either. No, wearing spanks is not
Speaker 1: the same as wearing a waste trainer. But if you
Speaker 1: wear shapewear, especially super super tight shapewear that it's probably
Speaker 1: too small for you, for hours and hours at a time,
Speaker 1: is not doing your insights any favors either. No. And
Speaker 1: I just think about those interviews I've read with celebrities
Speaker 1: on the red carpet who are like, I'm wearing too
Speaker 1: pairs of spanks to really suck it in, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: can you feel your toes? Can please tell me? Can
Speaker 1: you feel your extremities? Are you okay? Well, here's the thing, Caroline.
Speaker 1: My answer would be no, because I prefer to wear
Speaker 1: the spangs on my toes to really get that slim,
Speaker 1: slender look, you know for sandal season, right to to
Speaker 1: really get those finger toes. My toe love handles are
Speaker 1: out of control. But you gotta wear blousy shoes. The
Speaker 1: puppy shoes are so forgiving. The route right really hides
Speaker 1: hides the curve. Yeah, and in a in a nice
Speaker 1: zebra print you you won't even see him. But no,
Speaker 1: for reals, um that whole shapewear thing, wearing it for
Speaker 1: extended periods of time, Like Chris and said, well, it
Speaker 1: may not be as serious an effect as wearing a
Speaker 1: corset wearing a waste trainer, it's still going to have
Speaker 1: an effect. It's still going to result in a compressed stomach,
Speaker 1: possibly compressed intestines and colon. You also could experience things
Speaker 1: like indigestion and shallow breath. I can vouch for the
Speaker 1: shallow breath thing of putting one of those things on,
Speaker 1: like those suckers, and you've gotta like, you gotta give
Speaker 1: yourself an extra three hours to get ready, just so
Speaker 1: you can lie down and pull it up so it
Speaker 1: gets like right under your boobs because you still want
Speaker 1: to be wearing just like a pretty bra over your
Speaker 1: your freak is shapewear. And by the time you finally
Speaker 1: get that sucker on your sweating and you're like, I,
Speaker 1: I want to take a deep, refreshing, rejuvenatory that's not
Speaker 1: a word breath, but I can't because I'm being sucked
Speaker 1: in and my colon who knows where that went? Well?
Speaker 1: And then Caroline, if you start to feel tingling, numbness
Speaker 1: or pain in your thighs, it's probably due to peripheral
Speaker 1: nerve compression, which is also related to wearing shapewear for
Speaker 1: extended periods of time, which you can also lead to
Speaker 1: blood clods. So great, and you mentioned being sweaty and
Speaker 1: this being covering a large portion of your body, Folks,
Speaker 1: Shapewear also leads to yeast and bacterial infections because it's
Speaker 1: not very breathable. You're getting some moisture in there, and
Speaker 1: follicles can get clogged. I believe foliculitis is one of
Speaker 1: the most common conditions that dermatologists are now seeing among
Speaker 1: women in particular who wear shapewear every day. Your skin's
Speaker 1: gotta breathe, Your skin's gotta breathe. That's the largest organ
Speaker 1: in your body. And yes, I don't know if we
Speaker 1: just blew anybody's mind that you can get yeast infections
Speaker 1: and yeast colonies on your skin that are not just
Speaker 1: in the vaginal area. And for people who experience irritable
Speaker 1: bowel syndrome but wear shapewear because especially due to that
Speaker 1: intestinal compression that happens, it can be it can throw
Speaker 1: that that balance off even more. And when it comes
Speaker 1: to our urinary tract health, a lot of times when
Speaker 1: women wear spanks, they report existing the urge to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom because you don't want to have to
Speaker 1: take that whole thing off and then have to put
Speaker 1: it back on again. And so we hold our pe
Speaker 1: to put it scientifically, which can promote U t eyes.
Speaker 1: Oh mine had a hole really yeah? Mine mine were
Speaker 1: open crotch like much like Queen Victoria, but so much tighter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's still awkward because you still don't want to
Speaker 1: pee in them because it's not like it's just fully
Speaker 1: open and there's a lot of kind of wrangling and
Speaker 1: maneuvering that has to happen. And so well, yes, in
Speaker 1: the pair that I possessed you might have been able
Speaker 1: to pee, It's not like it was completely unimpeded, and
Speaker 1: so you might still end up holding it unimpeded. I
Speaker 1: was unintentional. I mean doctors say that. Listen, They're fine
Speaker 1: for special occasions, if you need to walk the red
Speaker 1: carpet where your banks like we do all the time,
Speaker 1: or whatever brand of shape where you prefer. But wearing
Speaker 1: it every day and wearing it super duper tight is
Speaker 1: just hands down not great for your body. And circling
Speaker 1: back to waste training. With all of this, the best
Speaker 1: thing that you can do for your body is exercise,
Speaker 1: strengthen your core, work those muscles, and eat healthily if
Speaker 1: you can. And you know what if as you're doing that,
Speaker 1: your body shape does not conform to the hour glass
Speaker 1: that is popular right now. First of all, weight five
Speaker 1: ten years and another shape is going to come in style.
Speaker 1: And second of all, it is perhaps time for us
Speaker 1: to reevaluate how these aspirational body types can really wreck
Speaker 1: our own body images and our own health. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: this isn't the first time on the podcast that we've
Speaker 1: said that it's probably not a great idea to think
Speaker 1: of bodies as trends. Everybody is a different body and
Speaker 1: that's all right. And you know, as long as you're
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself, you know, I think you can
Speaker 1: leave the waiste trainer behind and awesome that people who
Speaker 1: are waste training are exercising, that's fantastic. Just take the
Speaker 1: waist trainer off because even if you might see results immediately,
Speaker 1: if you stop wearing it for a few days a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, your body will resume it's pre waste
Speaker 1: training shape. So it's just like crash dieting. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I mean, Kristen, you know, I I bet before too long,
Speaker 1: when you when you log into your Instagram account, uh,
Speaker 1: you won't even see Kim Kardashian wearing that or snook
Speaker 1: Eer whoever is bombarding you with their exercise images. It
Speaker 1: will be something else, like in a year from now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I will say one other disturbing thing about this
Speaker 1: is that it's not just women doing it. Teenagers are
Speaker 1: doing it as well. Right, we just don't waste train please.
Speaker 1: We did read that one article from the doctor who
Speaker 1: saw the young girl who had developed all of this
Speaker 1: numbness because she in addition to her entire soccer team,
Speaker 1: we're wearing shapewear under their soccer uniforms. No, it's not
Speaker 1: worth it. We need to love our bodies, especially especially
Speaker 1: if you're already using it to be active and athletic.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no need for shapewear on the soccer field,
Speaker 1: and there are ways to wear and enjoy corsertry and
Speaker 1: even shapewear, Like we said, special occasions totally fine, we
Speaker 1: get it, but it's reaching this like fever pitch that
Speaker 1: is a little concerning, to say the least. So we
Speaker 1: I know there's got to be at least some waste
Speaker 1: trainers in the audience, and I really want to know
Speaker 1: from you what you think about all of this, or
Speaker 1: if there are any corset fans who are so tired
Speaker 1: of people confusing corsetry as you wear it with waste training.
Speaker 1: Let us know all of your thoughts. Mom Stuff at
Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com is our email address. You
Speaker 1: can also tweet us at mom Stuff podcast and messages
Speaker 1: on Facebook, and we've got a couple of messages to
Speaker 1: share with you right now. Well, I have a letter
Speaker 1: here from Nicole in response to our Electronic Women episode.
Speaker 1: She says, well, I'm no longer active in the scene.
Speaker 1: I used to be heavily involved in electronic music in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties and into early two thousand. I was
Speaker 1: one of the few women, to my knowledge, who was
Speaker 1: actively writing and releasing electronic music at the time in
Speaker 1: the scene I was involved in. I ran my own
Speaker 1: studio full of SyncE and Mac based sequencing and recording programs,
Speaker 1: a record label, and released electronic music here in the
Speaker 1: States as well as in roup in Japan. Go Nicole,
Speaker 1: I want to clarify some terminology you brought up in
Speaker 1: addition to expanding some ideas about what electronic music is today,
Speaker 1: I noticed you all used the term DJ to speak
Speaker 1: of modern electronic music. DJ, of course, is for disc jockey,
Speaker 1: and while I was creating music, DJs were typically the
Speaker 1: people who were behind the turntables spinning music other artists created. Usually,
Speaker 1: and this wasn't always the case, they were not the
Speaker 1: ones creating the music themselves. When I was composing music
Speaker 1: using synths and computers, I never called myself a DJ,
Speaker 1: even while I worked with some of them on occasion
Speaker 1: creating music in their shows. DJ was a label that
Speaker 1: did not show the scope of what I and many
Speaker 1: of my contemporaries were doing at the time, Square Pusher,
Speaker 1: a f X Twin, Richard Divine, and many others. Well.
Speaker 1: Much of the work we were all doing in this
Speaker 1: intelligent dance music scene had an element of dance music.
Speaker 1: It was more complicated and nuanced than what was coming
Speaker 1: out in clubs and raves, thus the term intelligent being
Speaker 1: used to describe it. So I believe electronic musician might
Speaker 1: be a more appropriate term to use to distinguish between
Speaker 1: those who spin and those who compose music that DJs
Speaker 1: use in their shows, in addition to the other types
Speaker 1: of music they create that arn't for the dance floor. Also,
Speaker 1: it would have been great to bring up the role
Speaker 1: of electronic music in today's film scoring. There's a scarcity
Speaker 1: here of women, sadly, but I think that by relegating
Speaker 1: electronic music today to existing only in the dance music scene,
Speaker 1: it's controlled by DJ's, it's limiting composers, especially for small
Speaker 1: budget films, rely heavily on the use of electronic equipment
Speaker 1: to sequence, orchestrate and score the pieces they do for films.
Speaker 1: I hope this helps expand some of the concepts you
Speaker 1: all brought up. Thank you, Nicole, and obviously the ten
Speaker 1: hour podcast that we did on women in Electronic Music
Speaker 1: could expand to fill a month, and so we are
Speaker 1: so appreciative of people like you who are sending us
Speaker 1: in all of wonderful extra information. Well, speaking of expanding
Speaker 1: our insights, I've got an email here from alexand Andrea
Speaker 1: about our podcast on Dolora Suerta a little while back.
Speaker 1: She writes, I've been listening to your podcast for a
Speaker 1: few years now and I love it. I bet you
Speaker 1: get tired of hearing that and ps, Nope, we never do. Um,
Speaker 1: she writes, I do have some comments regarding your Dolora
Speaker 1: square To episode of some time ago. Yes, she is
Speaker 1: a strong Latina woman. Yes what she did had a
Speaker 1: profoundly positive effect on our country. And yes, as a
Speaker 1: transplanted New Mexican, I'm even more proud and even a
Speaker 1: little bit ashamed that her students aren't taught who she is. However,
Speaker 1: there is a long, very long history of strong Latinas
Speaker 1: throughout the Southwest in Mexico. Two examples that come to
Speaker 1: mind are the women of the Silver City Minor Strike
Speaker 1: and the Solda Datas. The Silver City Minor Strike in
Speaker 1: the early fifties would not have been successful without the
Speaker 1: hard work and dedication of Latinas who took the men's
Speaker 1: places in picket lines and even struck for improved living conditions.
Speaker 1: The Solda data, while sometimes worst into what amounted to
Speaker 1: slave labor, or a group of strong Latinas who cooked, cleaned,
Speaker 1: and took care of men in every imaginable way, including
Speaker 1: fighting alongside them. I guess what I'm saying is is
Speaker 1: that this s say, pointy attitude is something that is
Speaker 1: a characteristic we see in Mexican and Mexican American women
Speaker 1: throughout history. Dolora Squerta's work is and has been wonderful,
Speaker 1: but she comes from a long, long line of hard
Speaker 1: working Latinas who know how to pull their own weight
Speaker 1: and the weight of their entire family, men included. Keep
Speaker 1: up the great work, Alexandra, and thanks so much for
Speaker 1: highlighting those women. Alexandria. And if you listeners have women
Speaker 1: you'd like to highlight or waste train notes you'd like
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