Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom never told you. From House to
Speaker 1: Folks not Colored. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline and Caroline. We've talked a lot
Speaker 1: before about women in Hollywood. We did an episode not
Speaker 1: too long ago on the Bechdel Test, for instance, and
Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about women in Hollywood and
Speaker 1: probably women that a lot of listeners have seen in
Speaker 1: lots of films but don't know that they've seen them. Right,
Speaker 1: we're talking about stunt women, the tough ladies who perform
Speaker 1: all those crazy gags, you know, like jumping off buildings
Speaker 1: or moving vehicles or whatever. No biggie, Yeah, no big
Speaker 1: deal there. And thanks to the listener who suggested this topic.
Speaker 1: We've been getting so many great listener requests, by the way, lately,
Speaker 1: and this is one of them, stunt women. So to
Speaker 1: kick things off, let's just go over the occupational outlook
Speaker 1: for a stunt performer. Obviously they have to at some
Speaker 1: point do things like jump off of buildings and catch
Speaker 1: on fire, et cetera. But what about the nuts and
Speaker 1: bolts of how the actual stunt industry works. Well, to
Speaker 1: start it off, I guess we should mention the fact
Speaker 1: that there are fewer stunt opportunities for women than for men.
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of a basic given considering if
Speaker 1: you look at your average action movie, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot more male people jumping off of things and
Speaker 1: getting set on fire than female people. That's true, very true. Um,
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. To the the I didn't know this, the
Speaker 1: stunt performers are actually considered on par with actors, are
Speaker 1: all considered principal performers, and they are unionized. If you
Speaker 1: want to be a stunt person, you need to get
Speaker 1: your SAG card for the Screen Actors Guild. That's right.
Speaker 1: Stunt performers are overseen by SAG AFTRA, which merged the
Speaker 1: Screen Actors Guild in the American Federation of Television and
Speaker 1: Radio Artists together. And the pay is not too shabby. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know. I don't jump off
Speaker 1: of anything for a living, so maybe it is shabby.
Speaker 1: Someone tell me I would probably need to get paid
Speaker 1: a lot um so that. The Bureau of Labor Statistics
Speaker 1: reports that the starting daily pay for a stunt performer
Speaker 1: is eight hundred and fifty nine dollars, with a weekly
Speaker 1: starting rate of thirty two hundred dollars, which ladies and
Speaker 1: gentlemen is slightly more than the starting weekly rate of
Speaker 1: about two thousand, nine hundred seventy nine for actors. And
Speaker 1: all of that is more than podcasters make. No, not
Speaker 1: our podcast. Maybe we should get SAG cards. Do you
Speaker 1: think I could get us more money? Well, let's make
Speaker 1: a commercial or get into podcast stunts. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it works. What awfully small studio for that. It's true. Um,
Speaker 1: and even though these stunt performers are doing all of
Speaker 1: these incredible feats, there is no oscar for stunt work
Speaker 1: that I learned, although the tauruss World Stunt Awards are
Speaker 1: referred to as the Oscars of stunt work. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I found out that the Taurusts Stunt Awards also offers
Speaker 1: financial support to injured stunt people. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: a really nice, all around supportive organization. Yeah. And from
Speaker 1: what we've read, the actual stunt community is a pretty
Speaker 1: close knit one because obviously they have shared interest of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, doing physical types of activities, and there really
Speaker 1: aren't that many of them, especially, like we said, if
Speaker 1: you are a female, and it's not just the jumping
Speaker 1: off of buildings and diving into waterfalls, etcetera that stunt
Speaker 1: performers are paid for. They're also paid to meticulously research
Speaker 1: how to mimic actors appearances and body languages while in character,
Speaker 1: which was something that I really didn't think about beforehand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just have to make sure to get it all
Speaker 1: down perfectly so it's not completely jarring for the viewer
Speaker 1: to see somebody who doesn't even look at all like
Speaker 1: the star running around. Yeah, it's such a different mindset.
Speaker 1: If you think about in Hollywood, probably a lot of
Speaker 1: people want to be on you know, they want to
Speaker 1: be stars, they want to have that camera time, they
Speaker 1: want to have the face recognition. But it's the complete
Speaker 1: opposite with stunt performers, where they're trying to blend in
Speaker 1: as much as possible. And we've mentioned before diving off
Speaker 1: of buildings and into waterfalls, et cetera. Caring what are
Speaker 1: the major stunt categories? Okay, we have fighting, falling, riding
Speaker 1: and driving, agility and strength and water. None of those
Speaker 1: I want to participate in. Yeah, I was gonna ask
Speaker 1: what you think your best stunt category would be? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not a very strong swimmers and not water. I'm
Speaker 1: not agile or strong, so not that. Um, I'm a
Speaker 1: crazy driver perfect. I have mastered the streets of Atlanta,
Speaker 1: particularly here in Buckhead where our studio is, which is
Speaker 1: total crazy town for drivers. So uh yeah, I would
Speaker 1: like to do driving stunts because maybe I could unleash
Speaker 1: some of that pent up aggression. I could totally see
Speaker 1: stunt driving. I'm imagining you in one of those helmets
Speaker 1: in a in a cool car, going really fast. I
Speaker 1: think that mine would be fighting, not because I'm a
Speaker 1: pugilistic person, but I have a lot of lower body strength,
Speaker 1: really strong in my thighs from jagon in yoga, and
Speaker 1: I think that if trained, I could whoop some tail.
Speaker 1: So let's go back and let's look at the beginning
Speaker 1: of stunt work with actors like Buster Keaton Keystone Cops,
Speaker 1: who were kind of considered the first stuntman. Buster Keaton
Speaker 1: in particular, performed a stunt where a front of a
Speaker 1: house falls on him but he's left standing unharmed. So
Speaker 1: that was that was some serious measuring and some serious
Speaker 1: standing in place and some serious comedy. That's me um.
Speaker 1: But it didn't take too long though, for women to
Speaker 1: get involved bit by bit into stunt work because around
Speaker 1: nineteen ten, we have audiences developing a taste for serial
Speaker 1: action movies in the rise of Westerns. And really it's
Speaker 1: with Westerns that we see the first use of dedicated
Speaker 1: stunt people who were doubling for actors in dangerous scenes,
Speaker 1: which is why, as we'll learn, a lot of the
Speaker 1: first female stunt performers started out as cowgirls. That's right.
Speaker 1: This is coming from the PBS film Stunt Women Then
Speaker 1: and Now, and they talk about that in the silent era,
Speaker 1: actresses either performed their own stunts or men would just
Speaker 1: dress stuff as women for uh, for stunt work. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Kristen said, a lot of these stunt
Speaker 1: women started out as cowgirls. And that includes um from
Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen Rose Helen Winger, who became Helen Gibson. She
Speaker 1: was a trained rodeo writer who double for actress Helen
Speaker 1: Holmes in the series The Hazards of Helen. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of Helen's going on in one paragraph. Um, and
Speaker 1: she eventually took over the lead of that show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she was a stunt performer turned starlets, you could say.
Speaker 1: And well, another thing I like to note about her
Speaker 1: is uh this Helen in particular Rose Helen Winger becoming
Speaker 1: Helen Gibson. She was actually able to open her own
Speaker 1: production company, uh from you know, becoming famous off of
Speaker 1: that show, which can you imagine being a woman opening
Speaker 1: your own production company in the nineteen nineteen thirties in Hollywood?
Speaker 1: Now that's quite a gal. Moving forward a little, but
Speaker 1: we have Polly Burston who was a rodeo actress who
Speaker 1: then head out for Hollywood in ur and she doubled
Speaker 1: for such names as Lucille Ball for any I love
Speaker 1: Lucy fans out there, And in nineteen fifty one she
Speaker 1: became the first woman to become a stunt coordinator while
Speaker 1: she was working on the film Westward the Women, and
Speaker 1: the stunt coordinator is sort of like a director, I
Speaker 1: guess for all of the stunt performers. They set up
Speaker 1: the stunts or gags as they're called, and oversee how
Speaker 1: those happened on the set. Yeah, And you know, many
Speaker 1: stunt women around this time who were actual like skilled
Speaker 1: cow girls, did double for smaller male actors, and Polly
Speaker 1: Burston was one of those. So it wasn't just men
Speaker 1: dressing up as women. To perform stunts. It did work
Speaker 1: the other way around too. We have Kitty O'Neil, who
Speaker 1: is a world record setter for water skiing, which I
Speaker 1: think is awesome. Um. And then we have Lila Finn,
Speaker 1: who was, according to The New York Times, one of
Speaker 1: Hollywood's first and respected stunt women. Yeah, you might have
Speaker 1: seen her if you have ever seen Gone with the Wind,
Speaker 1: because she doubled for Vivian Lee in that starting role.
Speaker 1: And she was also the founding president of the Stunt
Speaker 1: Woman's Association, which was established in nineteen sixties seven. And
Speaker 1: then finally we have Martha Crawford Cantorini, who was yet
Speaker 1: another horsewoman turned stunt performer who wrote an autobiography all
Speaker 1: about her experience called Fall Girl, My Life as a
Speaker 1: Western Stunt Double. Yeah. She this. This lady is super
Speaker 1: passionate about horses. Let me tell you. I started to read,
Speaker 1: I read an interview with her, and then I started
Speaker 1: to read like the introduction of her book, and man,
Speaker 1: she loves horses, just some great stories. But I mean
Speaker 1: like some of the things she did, Like she performed
Speaker 1: a stunt where the horse was jumping over a car
Speaker 1: or something, and she felt that it wasn't going right,
Speaker 1: and she ended up tumbling off, but she wasn't really hurt,
Speaker 1: neither was the horse, and she just kept on writing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have any of the specific actor names in
Speaker 1: front of me, but she did talk about in her
Speaker 1: interview how some stars were really friendly, but for others
Speaker 1: they wanted nothing to do with their stunt double. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she well, she even mentioned that she looked better in
Speaker 1: one of the costumes and the actual star did, so
Speaker 1: it started not like that. Well, so one really really
Speaker 1: super famous uh stunt double that we have to mention
Speaker 1: is Genie Epper, whom Entertainment Weekly called the greatest stunt
Speaker 1: woman who ever lived. This woman is incredible and she's
Speaker 1: actually from a very very long line of Epper stunt
Speaker 1: performers that started back in the thirties. Yeah, Steven Spielberg
Speaker 1: referred to the upper family as the flying wall Lendas
Speaker 1: of film, and there have been as many as fifteen
Speaker 1: Epper stunt performers since, as you said, the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: And oh, fun fact, the killer's hand who stabs and
Speaker 1: Lee and Psycho in that famous shower scene, that's the
Speaker 1: hand of an Epper, not the hand as you might
Speaker 1: be led to believe by watching the recent film Hitchcock.
Speaker 1: It's not Hitchcock's hand, that's an Epper hand. Well. Epper
Speaker 1: was actually mentored by Polly Person who we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: and she did her first pro ston at age nine,
Speaker 1: riding a horse bare back down a cliff. And you
Speaker 1: might know her from one of her more famous roles
Speaker 1: as the stunt euble for Linda Carter and Wonder Woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a great photo of Linda Carter being held in
Speaker 1: her Wonder Woman costume by Genie Epper, who was also
Speaker 1: wearing the Wonder Woman costume, and Epper talked about how
Speaker 1: for that role in particular, she really struggled to maintain
Speaker 1: her weight because as a stunt woman it's especially challenging
Speaker 1: physique wise, because you need to be incredibly strong but
Speaker 1: not look incredibly strong, right, and she she even says
Speaker 1: she had to audition in a bathing suit. So mean
Speaker 1: women are you know? We think actresses and models being
Speaker 1: held up to these ridiculous standards will stunt women. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be this incredibly strong, fit, athletic human being,
Speaker 1: but you can't look too strong or athletic. You still
Speaker 1: have to look waify like some of the leading actresses exactly.
Speaker 1: And talking about occupational hazards, not only are you going
Speaker 1: to be doing all of these stunts that put you
Speaker 1: in harm's way, you're not going to have the luxury
Speaker 1: of wearing padding that male stunt performers might be able
Speaker 1: to wear under their bagyar guy clothes because you very
Speaker 1: well maybe doing stunts in heels and tighter, more revealing clothing. Right.
Speaker 1: But I think two more important things to note about
Speaker 1: miss epper uh Christen. In nine she and twenty other
Speaker 1: women formed SWAMP, which is the Stunt Women's Association of
Speaker 1: Motion Pictures. And she was actually the first woman to
Speaker 1: receive Taurus's Lifetime Achievement Award, the Taurus Award that we
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. But unfortunately, um, she has hit some bumps
Speaker 1: in the road as she's gotten older, because as you
Speaker 1: can imagine, you know, unattainable beauty standards for actresses, they're
Speaker 1: unattainable strength and beauty standards for stunt doubles well. And
Speaker 1: the incredible thing is, though she's so frustrated about not
Speaker 1: finding work as a stunt performer, and she's in her
Speaker 1: late sixties by this point, she's got over a hundred
Speaker 1: films under her belt and still wants to work, even
Speaker 1: though I can only imagine the wear and tear that
Speaker 1: she's put on her body. But she is relentless, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So you know, Epper might be struggling to find work
Speaker 1: as she gets older, but it's not like this is
Speaker 1: a unique problem just for her. This is a problem
Speaker 1: that many stunt women face. You know, they often transition
Speaker 1: to stunt coordinating or directing, but few actually receive that
Speaker 1: opportunity because there are such slim pickens for stunt people
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, can only Shannon Murphy, who has doubled
Speaker 1: for Cameron Diaz among other people, who's a younger stunt
Speaker 1: woman than someone like Jeanie Epper said quote, Obviously, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a man's world talking about this realm of
Speaker 1: stunt work. There's fewer movies you see of women doing action,
Speaker 1: and they're more movies of men doing action. Though I
Speaker 1: think that's starting to even out, and there are more
Speaker 1: women doing action movies that center just on them. So really,
Speaker 1: this isn't just you know, an issue of uh oh,
Speaker 1: we don't have that many roles for stunt women. You've
Speaker 1: got to take that back and say, well, why is that. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's because of the fact that you know, the men
Speaker 1: are usually the heroes. Action movies usually focused on men.
Speaker 1: We've talked before about how I think we've raised this
Speaker 1: in the Wonder Woman episode on how all of those
Speaker 1: Marvel comics, like the comic book movies that have come out,
Speaker 1: they haven't done one focusing on female superheroes, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So that all filters down to not having that many
Speaker 1: roles for stunt women. But I mean just thinking about
Speaker 1: what it takes if you have the determination to want
Speaker 1: to go out to Hollywood be a stunt woman, and
Speaker 1: the physical investment that you have to put into it,
Speaker 1: because again it's incredible because these women have to say
Speaker 1: so strong and still so fit, but still maintain a
Speaker 1: slim physique and not bulk up right and being strong
Speaker 1: is obviously super important. The Stunt Women's Association says that
Speaker 1: most stunt people have backgrounds in sports like gymnastics, martial arts,
Speaker 1: horseback riding, motorcycle racing, race car driving, etcetera. They not
Speaker 1: only keep those skills in top shape, but also train
Speaker 1: in the areas where they may have less experience, so
Speaker 1: that they can be more well rounded stunt performers. So
Speaker 1: women today, like the stunt women today, you know, you
Speaker 1: might be good like like me, that's a crazy atlant
Speaker 1: of stunt driving. But you should also work to be
Speaker 1: like Kristen and strong with the lower body fighting strong guys.
Speaker 1: Everybody get my strong guys to be well rounded. So
Speaker 1: so let's let's give you a short rundown of some
Speaker 1: of the more prominent um stunt women of today who
Speaker 1: have dedicated themselves to it. Yeah, one of the main
Speaker 1: people is Zoe Bell, who I didn't know her name,
Speaker 1: but I've definitely seen her in a lot of movies
Speaker 1: because she's Quentin Tarantinos go to stunt woman who also
Speaker 1: used to double for Zena Warrior Princess, and she's now
Speaker 1: even making a transition into some acting as well. She's
Speaker 1: become such a top dog in the stunt industry. Interesting.
Speaker 1: She's also one of the stars of the documentary Double Dare,
Speaker 1: which followed her and Jeanie Epper for actually a couple
Speaker 1: of years as they struggled to find new work. Kind
Speaker 1: of Zoey Bell's experience after Zena ended an Epper experience,
Speaker 1: as she's you know, getting older. Um. We also have
Speaker 1: Renee Moneymaker, awesome name. She's Jennifer Lawrence's double and Hunger
Speaker 1: Games and a former gymnast. And one of the things
Speaker 1: she said, as far as like how can you even
Speaker 1: do all this scary stuff, she just says, look, developing
Speaker 1: the ability to shut off that fear is important. And
Speaker 1: to that, I say, I can't. Well, if you've seen
Speaker 1: Zombie Land or the newest Indiana Jones movie. There's stunt
Speaker 1: performer Lucy Steele Romberg who described her fitness routine to
Speaker 1: Fitness magazine, and she works out six days a week
Speaker 1: and her routine involves free running, which is just running
Speaker 1: from place to place in like jumping over things, almost
Speaker 1: parkour style, also including martial arts, jump rope, and just
Speaker 1: some CrossFit. But she don't have one down day every week, Caroline,
Speaker 1: So you know one day, well, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: if that's your job, like it kind of it kind
Speaker 1: of is crippling to think about, like trying to have
Speaker 1: a job and do that, But then you know, I
Speaker 1: guess that's better if just exercising is basically your job.
Speaker 1: Then there's also April Wheed in Washington. She is one
Speaker 1: of only six black stunt women out of thirty five
Speaker 1: who works steadily on major motion pictures and TV productions.
Speaker 1: She's double for people like Halle Berry, Vanessa Williams, Regina King,
Speaker 1: and Gabrielle Union, among many others. Yeah, and uh Weheden
Speaker 1: Washington has said that she's really proud to be a
Speaker 1: stunt woman because she's quote breaking the tradition of white
Speaker 1: men in wigs and makeup doubling for black actresses. So
Speaker 1: that and that struck me as so strange because I
Speaker 1: mean that's essentially stuntman going in blackface to play black actresses.
Speaker 1: So wheed and Washington is really hoping to inspire a
Speaker 1: new generation of other black stunt women to also come
Speaker 1: up in the ranks as well. Um. And then there's
Speaker 1: also Crystal Santo, who is a rare Latina stunt woman
Speaker 1: who's doubled four actresses like Rosario Dawson and Roslyn Sanchez.
Speaker 1: And because she is one of few Latinas who are
Speaker 1: in stunt work, she's also gotten some acting roles on
Speaker 1: top of them. Well, good for Crystal. Um, we have
Speaker 1: Sandy Gimple. She is a stubbleman in her early seventies
Speaker 1: who has worked in the industry for forty years. She
Speaker 1: says that I've been really, really lucky. I've broken a
Speaker 1: couple of ribs and they say that's just wear and tear,
Speaker 1: it's not from anything specific. And she also developed the
Speaker 1: stunt Blasters work out and a Google imaged Sandy Gimple,
Speaker 1: And it is really fun to see pictures of a
Speaker 1: seven year old woman doing high kicks. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you need a little inspiration, ladies, google Sandy Gimple,
Speaker 1: because she is still going. She's not stopping. She's not stopping.
Speaker 1: She and Jeanie Epper, I'm glad we're sitting down because
Speaker 1: I'm a often just thinking about this. It's true. So
Speaker 1: if you out there are thinking about following Kristen and
Speaker 1: me into our new careers as stunt women with our
Speaker 1: incredible driving and lower body skills, um, you might have
Speaker 1: to be willing to work at places like Disneyland and
Speaker 1: Medieval Times to hone basic stunts. That was advice from
Speaker 1: from one stunt woman, because it's not like you can
Speaker 1: just pick up and go to California and magically end
Speaker 1: up in a movie. You really do have to kick
Speaker 1: and claw your way up. Yeah, and many stunt performers
Speaker 1: also start out as extras, are working on film crews,
Speaker 1: so that's one way to get into the biz. And
Speaker 1: if you want to be a Hollywood stunt woman, you
Speaker 1: gotta be a member of the Screen Actors Guild. So
Speaker 1: I mean, you really do have to pick up and
Speaker 1: move out there and make this a whole lifestyle. But
Speaker 1: from the anecdotes three read from the women who are
Speaker 1: you know in the movies today, it does sound like
Speaker 1: they are a pretty tight knit community who go running
Speaker 1: together a lot. Really, Yeah, they like to go. I
Speaker 1: mean they're in l A, you know, so there's all
Speaker 1: the different the varied terrain, so they can go to
Speaker 1: the beach and go surfing or go free running in
Speaker 1: the mountains. Interesting. Yeah, So it's pretty incredible, And I'm
Speaker 1: glad that the listeners suggested that we check out stunt
Speaker 1: women because it was really a side of Hollywood that
Speaker 1: I had never looked into. I wonder, I do wonder,
Speaker 1: and I hope somebody writes in and and talk to
Speaker 1: us about it. I do wonder how you even get
Speaker 1: interested in that, Like do you begin? I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: some of the original ones were cowgirls, you know, they
Speaker 1: knew how to ride horses and and do scary things anyway,
Speaker 1: but I wonder, like, you know, are our women out there,
Speaker 1: like are they just athletes and they get into it?
Speaker 1: Are you a boxer and you get into it? Like?
Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to hear from anybody who knows, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the career path for that? Because one thing
Speaker 1: that the Stunt Women's Association stressed was that they aren't
Speaker 1: just a pack of dared bowls. The stunts that are
Speaker 1: set up are rigorously devised to make it as safe
Speaker 1: as possible. And safety has been an issue in the past,
Speaker 1: although we weren't able to track specific numbers for you know,
Speaker 1: statistics on injury risk or risk of death, but they've
Speaker 1: definitely been people who have died in the line of
Speaker 1: stunt work. Um, but yeah, what makes you want to
Speaker 1: pursue that? Speaking of dangerous stunts, I almost forgot to
Speaker 1: mention one thing. I had no idea that Genie Epper
Speaker 1: is connected to one of my favorite movies of all time?
Speaker 1: Oh which which movie? Genie Epper is the woman who
Speaker 1: is sliding down the hill in the mud slide in
Speaker 1: Romancing the Stone with Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas. Wow,
Speaker 1: that is her. And so I read this thing about
Speaker 1: how the day they were trying to rig that stunt up,
Speaker 1: they you know, she's supposed to be swinging from a vine,
Speaker 1: and they rigged some things up to a tree and
Speaker 1: then have been raining so much that day that the
Speaker 1: tree completely pulled out of the ground by its roots
Speaker 1: and fell down into the canyon below. And she was like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I just prayed about it and then
Speaker 1: just went and did it. It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're amazing. Tuny Upper. I love that movie. I watched
Speaker 1: it all the time. Yeah, as someone with a certifiable
Speaker 1: fear of heights, I have a lot of respect for
Speaker 1: these women. I don't know if I have a fear
Speaker 1: of heights so much. It's just like a baseline fear,
Speaker 1: just just unless you're in the car. Let's set in
Speaker 1: the car and you better watch out. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to tell you what I drive because I want to
Speaker 1: maintain the element of surprise. Well, folks who want to
Speaker 1: hear from you, if you know any stunt people, if
Speaker 1: you are a stunt person, if you have a favorite
Speaker 1: stunt woman that we didn't mention, let us know all
Speaker 1: of your thoughts. Mom Stuff at Discovery dot com is
Speaker 1: where you can email us. You can also send us
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Speaker 1: And we've got a couple of letters about lady farts
Speaker 1: to share right after we come back from this quick
Speaker 1: break and now back to our letters. Well, I have
Speaker 1: an email here from someone who is just going by
Speaker 1: a satisfied listener because sometimes when you talk about farts,
Speaker 1: you just would like to remain anonymous, and we respect that.
Speaker 1: So the subject line is farts on a second date.
Speaker 1: Satisfied listener writes, add that I listened to your podcast
Speaker 1: on female flatulence just before my roommate got home from
Speaker 1: his second date with a lovely young lady. He told
Speaker 1: me about the great time he had with her, but
Speaker 1: was put off at how comfortable she was to fart
Speaker 1: on him as they spooned on the couch watching a movie.
Speaker 1: At first, I thought my own roommate was one of
Speaker 1: those crazy women don't fart or poop guys, but she
Speaker 1: admitted to it and he excused her. Sadly, the act
Speaker 1: irked him. He explained how he was okay with her fart,
Speaker 1: but was put off that she would bring it out
Speaker 1: so early in the dating period. We both saw it
Speaker 1: as a sign that she wanted the relationship to move
Speaker 1: at a quicker pace than he wanted to. Essentially, my
Speaker 1: friends date skipped the fantasy no farting stage and jumped
Speaker 1: to the second stage of being in love and being
Speaker 1: comfortable with your partner's cute parts. I agreed with him,
Speaker 1: it's an actus reserved for a couple at least a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks or months into the relationship. I feel
Speaker 1: glad to leave my date because I can rip a
Speaker 1: big one in peace, out of harm's way. What do
Speaker 1: you think, Caroline, what if it was a mistake, No,
Speaker 1: not a mistake, because she admitted to him and apparently
Speaker 1: these were multiple toots. I agree, I kind of think that.
Speaker 1: I think it's because, especially because she was farting on him,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to get farted on in the second day, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I would want to own up to it,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know. Or she could just
Speaker 1: be really cool and laid back maybe and Gassie moving
Speaker 1: on laid back and Gassie it's my nickname, that's my
Speaker 1: vanity plate um. I have a letter here from Haley. Haley,
Speaker 1: I just really love how you set this email up
Speaker 1: though anyway, she says. First, a fart story. Once I
Speaker 1: was in the car with a few friends as we
Speaker 1: arrived at our destination. One of my guy friends farted
Speaker 1: and it was awful. We all immediately jumped out of
Speaker 1: our car. We went on our way, laughing, but mostly
Speaker 1: forgot about it. Two hours later we arrived back at
Speaker 1: the car and the fart was trapped in the car
Speaker 1: and it's still smelled. Secondly, some fart history. My mother,
Speaker 1: much like Caroline's father, hated the word fart, and instead
Speaker 1: we used the term wind to use it in a sentence.
Speaker 1: Did somebody do win? It was a term that if
Speaker 1: I ever used it outside the home, I was teased
Speaker 1: for it because it sounds so lame. It kind of does,
Speaker 1: but that's okay um. As such, Now in my twenties,
Speaker 1: I use the word fart like a swear word. I
Speaker 1: never used it around my mother, although to be honest,
Speaker 1: it doesn't come up that often, and I often used
Speaker 1: fart like the effort if I dropped something or stub
Speaker 1: my toe. You know, actually, Haley, that's a really good tip.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start saying a fart because f bombs. Yeah
Speaker 1: at work. Thirdly, she says farting and marriage. I have
Speaker 1: been with my husband for seven and a half years
Speaker 1: and married for eighteen months. We have never farted in
Speaker 1: front of each other. If we're talking about gendering farts,
Speaker 1: I assumed at some point in the relationship he would
Speaker 1: be the one to break the fart silence, but never did.
Speaker 1: I always leave the room or whatever if I must.
Speaker 1: But we are still very much in the stage one,
Speaker 1: but still happily married. I might add, that's amazing, Haley.
Speaker 1: I love your stories. I love your three party email.
Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious that you and your husband have
Speaker 1: not farted in front of each other, and I think
Speaker 1: that must be some sort of world record. Yeah, that's incredible.
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