Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how
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Speaker 1: I'll Fry and I'm Won. Today we are going to
Speaker 1: resume our talk about X Murderer, Yes, part two of
Speaker 1: our American horror story Kevin inspired episode. Yeah. I'm actually
Speaker 1: pretty glad that something else came up, because a suit
Speaker 1: like the soon as Kevin premiered, people were tweeting at
Speaker 1: us and writing on our Facebook and stuff saying can
Speaker 1: you please, please please do something about the history of
Speaker 1: the show, And we were like, well, past hosts have
Speaker 1: already covered the history that is Marie Laveau. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: they're already episodes about that in archive, and so I
Speaker 1: was sort of like, well, if they have something else
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about before, then sure. Well. And I
Speaker 1: remember during the second season of the show, I got
Speaker 1: really excited when I found out they were gonna use
Speaker 1: some historical happenings to inspire things, but they kind of
Speaker 1: abandoned them or they changed them so much that it
Speaker 1: really wasn't worth making the connection. Yeah. Well, in the
Speaker 1: second season of it was also so much more scattered
Speaker 1: and all of the different elements of things that we're
Speaker 1: sort of disparate weird things happening at the time. This
Speaker 1: one is much more focused on New Orleans and horror. Uh. So,
Speaker 1: in case you missed our intro in the last episode
Speaker 1: when they introduced the act Man of New Orleans, and
Speaker 1: we have when we're recording this, he has only appeared
Speaker 1: in one episode. We'll see what happens and how completely
Speaker 1: out of whack it gets in terms of history. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're already out of whack in terms of history with him. Uh.
Speaker 1: But the way they introduced that character is very rooted
Speaker 1: in reality and in an event that actually happened in
Speaker 1: New Orleans in the early nineteen hundred's, So we are
Speaker 1: picking up kind of in the middle of his crimes
Speaker 1: free uh on March tenth of nineteen nineteen, which is
Speaker 1: yet another incident of an attack. So because there had
Speaker 1: been this pause in attacks, the last one that we
Speaker 1: talked about was towards the inh of nineteen eighteen. Now
Speaker 1: we were getting into the early part of nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: UM the nation had kind of turned its eyes instead
Speaker 1: to the end of the fighting of World War One,
Speaker 1: although the war didn't formally end until later in the year.
Speaker 1: So the next axe attack took the city a little
Speaker 1: bit by surprise. This incident actually took place in Gretna, Louisiana,
Speaker 1: which is across the Mississippi River from uptown New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And at that point it was kind of an immigrant
Speaker 1: suburb of New Orleans. Yeah, and Gretna is still there,
Speaker 1: but it's changed significantly obviously. Um. And so on March
Speaker 1: tenth of nineteen nineteen, UH Orlando Jordano. Just in case
Speaker 1: anyone's curious, it is not Orlando. There is an eye.
Speaker 1: At the beginning, UH heard screams from his neighbor's house
Speaker 1: and he went to render aid, and that is how
Speaker 1: he discovered the next uh ax man's victims. And these
Speaker 1: were grocer Charles Courtemiglia and his wife and daughter. This
Speaker 1: is when I started to go, God, what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you have against grocers? We'll talk about that
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, it's really at this point though,
Speaker 1: I think we're on grocer number three, right, Ah, that
Speaker 1: sounds correct. Um that I kind of go, okay, this
Speaker 1: is a weird grocery store pattern. So when Orlando arrived,
Speaker 1: Charles was unconscious and Rosie was cradling their two year
Speaker 1: old daughter, who had been killed by a blow to
Speaker 1: the back of the head. Rosie said the family had
Speaker 1: all been asleep in the same bed when the killer
Speaker 1: attacked them, and the attacker had once again entered through
Speaker 1: a chiseled away door panel, had not taken him in
Speaker 1: anything of value, and had left a bloody axe behind.
Speaker 1: So while young Mary had died at the scene, her
Speaker 1: parents were both alive, although they both had serious skulf fractures,
Speaker 1: and they were admitted to the hospital. When Rosie had recovered,
Speaker 1: she clearly named her attacker as her neighbor, Orlando Jordano.
Speaker 1: Both Orlando and his son Frank, who were business rivals
Speaker 1: of the Cortemiglia's, were arrested. Whether or not Charles corroborated
Speaker 1: her story is actually a matter of some debate. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some accounts say that he challenged her version of the story,
Speaker 1: and others say that he actually accused the son, Frank Jordano. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's also a pretty significant discrepancy as to what exactly
Speaker 1: happened to Charles after all of these accusations took place.
Speaker 1: In some versions of the story, he divorced Rosie after
Speaker 1: the trial, and in others, he died of his wounds
Speaker 1: and didn't live to trial time. And some of the
Speaker 1: tellings of this story just seemed to abandon Charles because
Speaker 1: it becomes much more about Rosie and her version of
Speaker 1: the story. And while I found the death record for
Speaker 1: their daughter Mary in Louisiana's online government database of death,
Speaker 1: I did not find Charles's, so I couldn't confirm or
Speaker 1: negate any of those different timeline accounts of his death.
Speaker 1: I love that you were crawling through the death database
Speaker 1: to try to pin that down. It's a sobering thing
Speaker 1: to crawl through. Just to look at that many death
Speaker 1: records is uh not the most uplifting way to spend
Speaker 1: your day, but it is super fascinating. Yeah. So, even
Speaker 1: though Orlando was an older man, he was sixty nine
Speaker 1: years old, he was apparently unlikely to have been strong
Speaker 1: enough to pull off these murders. Um and Frank was
Speaker 1: much too big to fit through the opening that the
Speaker 1: killer had made in the door. That Jordanos were found
Speaker 1: guilty based on Rosa's testimony, the older received life in
Speaker 1: prison and the Sun got a death sentence. Eventually, However,
Speaker 1: sometime down the road, uh like a year later, Rosie
Speaker 1: actually confessed that she had falsely accused the Giordano's Uh,
Speaker 1: and thankfully before the death sentence had been carried out,
Speaker 1: so they were released UH and all counts against them
Speaker 1: eradicated for the record. Three days after this attack, on
Speaker 1: March fourteenth, nineteen, the editor of the New Orleans Times
Speaker 1: picking received a letter which has become the most famous
Speaker 1: piece of the axe Man puzzle, and also will be
Speaker 1: familiar to people who watch American horror story. They printed
Speaker 1: this letter in its entirety, and here it is UH.
Speaker 1: This letter is dated Hell March nineteen nineteen, so the
Speaker 1: day before the editor received it, and it says esteemed mortal.
Speaker 1: They have never caught me, and they never will. They
Speaker 1: have never seen me, for I am invisible, even as
Speaker 1: the ether that surrounds your earth. I am not a
Speaker 1: human being, but a spirit and a demon from the
Speaker 1: hottest Hell. I am what you are, Lenians and your
Speaker 1: foolish police call the axe in. When I see fit,
Speaker 1: I shall come and claim other victims. I alone know
Speaker 1: whom they shall be. I shall leave no clue except
Speaker 1: my bloody acts, besmeared with blood and brains of he
Speaker 1: whom I have sent below to keep me company. If
Speaker 1: you wish you may tell the police to be careful
Speaker 1: not to rile me. Of course, I am a reasonable spirit.
Speaker 1: I take no offense that the way they have conducted
Speaker 1: their investigation in the past, in fact, they have been
Speaker 1: so utterly stupid as to not only amuse me but
Speaker 1: his satanic majesty Francis Joseph, etcetera. But tell them to beware,
Speaker 1: Let them not try to discover what I am, for
Speaker 1: it were better that they were never born than to
Speaker 1: incur the wrath of the axe man. I don't think
Speaker 1: there is any need of such a warning, for I
Speaker 1: feel sure the police will always dodge me, as they
Speaker 1: have in the past. They are wise and know how
Speaker 1: to keep away from all harm. Undoubtedly you are Lenians
Speaker 1: think of me as a most horrible murderer, which I am.
Speaker 1: But I could be much worse if I wanted to.
Speaker 1: If I wish, I could pay a visit to your
Speaker 1: city every night at will, I could slay thousands of
Speaker 1: your best citizens. For I am in close relationship with
Speaker 1: the Angel of Death. Now to be exact, at twelve
Speaker 1: fifteen earthly time on next Tuesday night, I am going
Speaker 1: to pass over New Orleans in my infinite mercy. I
Speaker 1: am going to make a little proposition to you people here.
Speaker 1: It is I am very fond of jazz music, and
Speaker 1: I swear by all the devils in the nether regions
Speaker 1: that every person shall be spared in whose home a
Speaker 1: jazz band is in full swing at the time I
Speaker 1: have just mentioned. If everyone has a jazz band going well,
Speaker 1: then so much the better for you people. One thing
Speaker 1: is certain, and that is that some of your people
Speaker 1: who do not jazz it on Tuesday night, if there
Speaker 1: be any, will get an ax well. As I am
Speaker 1: cold and crave the warmth of my native Tartarus, and
Speaker 1: it is about time I leisure earthly home. I will
Speaker 1: cease my discourse, hoping that thou wilt publish this, that
Speaker 1: it may go well with thee I have been am
Speaker 1: and will be the worst spirit that ever existed, either
Speaker 1: in fact or realm of fancy. Signed the x Man.
Speaker 1: That is quite a note to dash off, it is.
Speaker 1: And if you imagine that there was lots of jazz
Speaker 1: playing in New or New Orleans after this, that would
Speaker 1: be right. By all accounts, there was basically jazz everywhere,
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, there were no murders, although There's
Speaker 1: always been some debate about whether the letter was truly
Speaker 1: from the X men or just a prank. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I have to wonder if you know, Tracy as
Speaker 1: a site director not quite the same thing as lead
Speaker 1: editor on a newspaper. If you got like a bizarre
Speaker 1: warning like that that was like published this and warned everyone,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how I would feel. I would
Speaker 1: call the police, well, of course, and freak out a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I would probably have shaky hands handling
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I would freak out and call the
Speaker 1: police with my handshaking. Uh. And While the next several
Speaker 1: months passed without incident, uh, and some began to believe
Speaker 1: that the axe man had somehow been appeased or moved on. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the late summer saw a return of the familiar brutality.
Speaker 1: But we're going to pause for a moment before we
Speaker 1: get into those attacks and talk about our sponsor. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now back to uh, the more serious subjects of
Speaker 1: AX murders murdering grocers. Another Italian grocer as the next victim.
Speaker 1: On August ten, Steve Boca was attacked while he slept,
Speaker 1: and the assailant escaped into the night, and Boca made
Speaker 1: a full recovery, but he couldn't recall any details of
Speaker 1: the attack. Once again, there was a panel chiseled from
Speaker 1: the door, and the chisel was found next to the door,
Speaker 1: and the axe was left in the kitchen and nothing
Speaker 1: was stolen. The next incident happened a little less than
Speaker 1: a month later, a few weeks later, on September three.
Speaker 1: Uh and Sarah Lawman was a nineteen year old woman
Speaker 1: who was living alone in New Orleans, and so she
Speaker 1: was attacked on September three. Because the city had been
Speaker 1: kind of in the throes of this horrible series of attacks,
Speaker 1: some nay bors went to check on her because they
Speaker 1: knew she was a young woman alone, and that's when
Speaker 1: they discovered her unconscious on her bed, with several head
Speaker 1: wounds and teeth missing from a blow to the face.
Speaker 1: Like Steve Boca, she recovered, but she didn't have any
Speaker 1: memory of the assault. A bloody axe was found either
Speaker 1: outside the window or in the front lawn, depending on
Speaker 1: the source of the account. However, in the departure from
Speaker 1: most of the previous incidents attributed to the axe Man,
Speaker 1: Uh there was not a chiseled door panel. It's believed
Speaker 1: that the assailant in this instance had come in through
Speaker 1: a window. And she also wasn't a grocer, was she no?
Speaker 1: And not a man? No, So again we wonder it
Speaker 1: does call into question whether these should really all be
Speaker 1: grouped under the same killer or not, or the same
Speaker 1: attacker or not. Right next came in October of nineteen nine,
Speaker 1: and this was the last known assault committed by the axeman,
Speaker 1: or at least attributed in to him. On the night
Speaker 1: of October twenty, even after hearing noises in her husband's room, Uh,
Speaker 1: the wife of Mike Peppertoni hurried in to find a
Speaker 1: fleeing assailant and her husband's inert body one of their
Speaker 1: six children. Some of the police who found an ax
Speaker 1: outside the back door and a panel chiseled away from
Speaker 1: the door. And Mrs Peppatoni had actually claimed that there
Speaker 1: were two large men in the house. So a little
Speaker 1: bit different, uh than any other accounts that we had
Speaker 1: had heard up to that point. Yeah, there's also some
Speaker 1: suspicion in the accounts of this because Mrs Peppertoni seemed
Speaker 1: very calm as she talked to the police about her
Speaker 1: husband's murder. Uh. Yeah, she didn't seem particularly distraught. There
Speaker 1: is one version of the story that suggests that when
Speaker 1: the police got there, she basically was like, well, he
Speaker 1: was killed by the axe Man and just very matter
Speaker 1: of fact about it, so which calls, you know, into
Speaker 1: question other suspicious things. Uh. And While that was the
Speaker 1: last of the murderers that are attributed to the Axe Man,
Speaker 1: there are still plenty of questions about the whole series
Speaker 1: of incidents. Yeah. One of the big questions is whether
Speaker 1: some previous murders were also the work of the axe Man.
Speaker 1: From January of nineteen eleven to April of nineteen twelve,
Speaker 1: there was another large series of ax murders that claimed
Speaker 1: the lives of forty nine victims in Louisiana and Texas,
Speaker 1: and in these cases, entire families were savagely killed in
Speaker 1: their beds. Uh. In one instance in early nineteen twelve,
Speaker 1: where a family of five had been slain, a note
Speaker 1: had been left behind with the words, when he maketh
Speaker 1: the inquisition for blood, he forgetteth not the cry of
Speaker 1: the humble human five. Sort of a weird bizarre note. Uh.
Speaker 1: And justice with the New Orleans killings, nothing was taken
Speaker 1: in any of these crime scenes. There was also another
Speaker 1: series of murders in nineteen eleven that similarly targeted Italian grocers.
Speaker 1: There were three of the incidents and all of them
Speaker 1: were unsolved. The idea that only Italian businessmen were being
Speaker 1: targeted caused some citizens to speculate that there was a
Speaker 1: mafia tie into the nineteen eleven killings. So the speculation
Speaker 1: was that these victims had not made good on the
Speaker 1: protection arrangements that they had with organized crime. But according
Speaker 1: to a detective working on the Axe Man crimes, UH,
Speaker 1: the mafia wouldn't really target women, but the Axe Man
Speaker 1: clearly did that. Yeah, and children too. Um So there
Speaker 1: there many people who really like the uh the mafia
Speaker 1: tie into this story and think that that's really the
Speaker 1: key to who the X Man was. But there's that
Speaker 1: whole women and children thing that's problematic, so some discount
Speaker 1: based exclusively on that. So UH tying into the mafia
Speaker 1: hit man idea is another story that um some dismisses
Speaker 1: an urban legend and in this tale, a man named
Speaker 1: Joseph Mumphrey was shot and killed in December of Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: US and the killer was Mike Peppertoni's widow, and this
Speaker 1: tale appears to have first surfaced in Robert Talent's book
Speaker 1: Murder in New Orleans, and others who were researching these
Speaker 1: stories jumped on this idea, and at some point it
Speaker 1: was pointed out that Mumfrey was actually imprisoned during the
Speaker 1: gap between nineteen eleven and nineteen eighteen, which suggests that
Speaker 1: his incarceration and freedom fit the timeline pretty well. It
Speaker 1: doesn't match up perfectly, uh, and Mumfrey had also been
Speaker 1: theorized as a mafia hit man. However, if you look
Speaker 1: at the Encyclopedia of Serial Killers in the early two thousand's,
Speaker 1: a researcher named William Kingman was doing some digging and
Speaker 1: he actually got a notification from the California State Registrar
Speaker 1: that there had been no record of a Joseph Mumphrey
Speaker 1: dying in the state during this time, so that sort
Speaker 1: of detracts it, and he, the author of the Encyclopedia
Speaker 1: of Serial Killers, makes the argument that this whole thing
Speaker 1: had been a fabrication, although I will say, having crawled
Speaker 1: through Louisiana records, not all of these people that are
Speaker 1: in the center pretty much accounted for. In the newspaper
Speaker 1: show up in those death records either, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: We know that at this point in time, things like
Speaker 1: that would fall through the cracks, not everything was noted perfectly.
Speaker 1: So in the last century there have been numerous theories
Speaker 1: put forth about the Axe Man's identity, but there's never
Speaker 1: been conclusive evidence for any of them. So this legend
Speaker 1: really lives on because of the inconsistencies in some of
Speaker 1: the attacks. It could easily be that there were multiple
Speaker 1: assailants involved, either working together or sort of mistakenly grouped
Speaker 1: under the same header of the Axe Man. There's also
Speaker 1: the prospect that some of these killers, as we said earlier,
Speaker 1: we're just copycats. But because there was some mediocre handling
Speaker 1: of evidence early on in these cases, uh that you know,
Speaker 1: presumably in the first instance with the Maggios, and in
Speaker 1: even in the second one, I don't know that the
Speaker 1: police were thinking serial killer. Uh. Fingerprinting had been available
Speaker 1: during this time, but they didn't really use it, so
Speaker 1: conclusive forensic evidence has really been lost to time at
Speaker 1: this point. Which is also this pesky issue of pretty
Speaker 1: small openings in the doors that the axe Man seemed
Speaker 1: to pass through, Like if you imagine a door that
Speaker 1: has panels that you could knock out with the chisel.
Speaker 1: It's not a very big hole. No. Um. This has
Speaker 1: led some people to say that he was really a
Speaker 1: demon or other supernatural entity, including him or whoever wrote
Speaker 1: the letter to the paper and American Horris Story Eric
Speaker 1: Norris story. Um, Yeah, that's an interesting thing. I only
Speaker 1: found one instance where they mentioned specifically that they had
Speaker 1: to have gone through the door panel and it was
Speaker 1: not a case of them popping that open and then
Speaker 1: reaching up to unlock the door, because all the doors
Speaker 1: were found still locked. But I only found that mentioned
Speaker 1: in one place, so I don't know how accurate that was.
Speaker 1: So here we go, we reach up and unlock it,
Speaker 1: and then we reach up and kind I mean that
Speaker 1: was my thinking. That's not conclusive one way or the
Speaker 1: other either. Uh. So it's interesting because while the X
Speaker 1: Man is not a huge story, I think in American
Speaker 1: serial killer mythology, it has come up a lot in
Speaker 1: various um media. American Horror Story maybe the most recent
Speaker 1: fiction to use it for inspiration, but is definitely not
Speaker 1: the first. Yeah. And in cartoonist and illustrator Rick Geary
Speaker 1: published a horror comic about the X Man as part
Speaker 1: of the Treasury of twentieth century Murder, and brief mention
Speaker 1: of him is also made in Chuck Pollini's book Haunted,
Speaker 1: which is a great read. I'm a huge fan of
Speaker 1: his uh and it's shown up in many other places
Speaker 1: as well. There have been bands that have been named
Speaker 1: albums after it and songs based on it. There was
Speaker 1: actually a song written in in a jazz song inspired
Speaker 1: by the events. Yeah, I've read, you know a lot
Speaker 1: about serial killers when I first discovered the Internet and
Speaker 1: discovered that there were websites that had basically everything about
Speaker 1: every serial killer. Ever, we're spending a lot of time
Speaker 1: reading these serial killer stories, and I had not ever
Speaker 1: heard of this particular one until American Horror Story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had heard of it, uh, primarily because of the
Speaker 1: Chuck Politic book, And I was like, wait, what is that?
Speaker 1: And I happened to do a quick search and discovered
Speaker 1: that it was a real thing. Yeah. As soon as
Speaker 1: I tell you, hey, people are asking us can we
Speaker 1: talk about this? You were like, is that a real thing? Yes?
Speaker 1: Real things? Uh. So there's shockingly real thing and bizarre
Speaker 1: and unfortunately it is, even though it is not so
Speaker 1: far back it's less than a hundred years ago. There's
Speaker 1: still so much story and lore that's grown around it
Speaker 1: that there are often, as we talked about in the
Speaker 1: Babush Lady, like eyewitness accounts even aren't even aren't al
Speaker 1: as accurate. So even at the time when people that
Speaker 1: were near the scene, we're saying things, fear was sort
Speaker 1: of you know, making their stories embellish in certain ways,
Speaker 1: and we can't count on the act received any of it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and when you think about, like with today's forensic methods,
Speaker 1: it's still I mean, it's not a rare occurrence for
Speaker 1: somebody to be exonerated through DNA evidence. I it's amazing
Speaker 1: to me that anyone was ever identified and and correctly
Speaker 1: imprisoned before all of those forensic methods really existed and
Speaker 1: like evidence handling procedures and that kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know that was fingerprints were available, but they
Speaker 1: were not where they're at now. I think they were
Speaker 1: first used. I'm I'm completely doing this off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. I think the first case they were
Speaker 1: conclusively used in within nineteen eleven, so we pretty knew
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, within within a decade of when
Speaker 1: they were being used for actual investigation in court cases
Speaker 1: and evidence, so you can understand why they would not
Speaker 1: have necessarily fingerprinted the scene. So that is the scoop
Speaker 1: on the x Man of New Orleans. And already I
Speaker 1: can tell you that American horror story has diverged because
Speaker 1: in their version, uh, you know, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: spoiler it in case anybody's waiting to vertically view the
Speaker 1: whole thing, but it diverges pretty significantly well. And the
Speaker 1: letter is included in him passing through New Orleans on
Speaker 1: that night wanting lots of jazz, and then it gets
Speaker 1: very different. Okay, well, and then that when we started
Speaker 1: getting the AxMan requests, I think that it's like, so
Speaker 1: I haven't watched last night episode yet, but apparently there's
Speaker 1: some kind of ax Man. So there you go. And
Speaker 1: now we will go on too. Listener mail. So I
Speaker 1: have two bits. One is an actual email, one is
Speaker 1: just a very funny message we've got on Facebook. The
Speaker 1: first one is from Allison and she says, hello, Hollee
Speaker 1: and Tricy, Greetings from Juneo, Alaska. I just finished listening
Speaker 1: to your podcast about and probably effective Holocaust rescuers, and
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised when you mentioned miss Irene good
Speaker 1: up Dike, as I feel she has often overlooked. Miss
Speaker 1: Opticke came to my high school in southern California to
Speaker 1: talk about her experiences during the war. While Miss Opticke
Speaker 1: did mention being captured by Russian soldiers, she mainly focused
Speaker 1: on her experience at the club and the villa, including
Speaker 1: becoming Major Rudemer's mistress. When a student asked why she
Speaker 1: became his mistress, I recalled that Miss Optike responded that
Speaker 1: she had more than her life to protect. There were
Speaker 1: many lives at stake, and although her talk lasted only
Speaker 1: one hour, it made quite an impression on me. Her
Speaker 1: talk was part of what inspired me to join the U. S.
Speaker 1: Coast Guard and to get my master's in public health,
Speaker 1: which I am now completing in order to assist those
Speaker 1: in me. I've attached a copy of the brochure that
Speaker 1: was handed out by Miss optics those who attended the
Speaker 1: talk at my high school, since I thought it might
Speaker 1: interest to you, and it did. It's very cool and
Speaker 1: it's neat to have. We always learned people right in
Speaker 1: where they have a direct connection to a piece of history.
Speaker 1: That we've talked about, and I know that she did
Speaker 1: do a lot of lectures and outreached, so love it.
Speaker 1: Our second note comes from our listener Russ and he
Speaker 1: wrote to us on Facebook and he says, Hi, ladies,
Speaker 1: I love the podcast to keep things informative yet light
Speaker 1: and fun. But the Babushka Lady podcast give me some
Speaker 1: concern and suspicions. Okay, when I read that, I got
Speaker 1: a little scared. But I was like, Oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be somebody that really studies the assassinations and they're
Speaker 1: gonna yell at me for some reason. Well, and I
Speaker 1: think you and I both when we get an email
Speaker 1: or Facebook message or whatever that starts. I really love
Speaker 1: the podcast, but there's a bracing for impact that happened.
Speaker 1: But Rust goes on to say, probably mentioned a couple
Speaker 1: of times that she is quote not in the CIA,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what she would say if she were
Speaker 1: in the CIA. This may need to be looked at
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Speaker 1: Thanks Ray show. That makes my horrible commute much more
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Speaker 1: He hasn't raised any red flags. You all are on
Speaker 1: the same row and frequently late into the evening and
Speaker 1: chattering with each other, two of you on that row,
Speaker 1: and then no one and then me. Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: would know if I were suspicious. I think I'm too
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Speaker 1: really lovely. You know it's dangerous though, because then I
Speaker 1: want to make copies or things inspired by all with them,
Speaker 1: and I already have a list eight emails. When I
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