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Speaker 1: And if you're even remotely a soccer fan, you probably
Speaker 1: took in at least some of the UEFA European Football
Speaker 1: Championship earlier this summer. It's a more commonly known to
Speaker 1: a lot of people as the Euro twelve Championship, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty much the world's biggest soccer tournament after the
Speaker 1: World Cup. Did you watch some of it? I did
Speaker 1: watch some of it. Well, I did the whole DVR thing,
Speaker 1: which isn't the best way to watch it now with
Speaker 1: Facebook and everything, everybody always reveals the scores. But I
Speaker 1: did my best. But if like me, all you did
Speaker 1: was tune in now and again to cheer for your
Speaker 1: favorite team. You may not have heard about a little
Speaker 1: pre tournament controversy involving euro co host the Ukraine and
Speaker 1: a new movie called The Match. So just to give
Speaker 1: you some background on the movie. It tells the legendary
Speaker 1: story of a soccer match that took place in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty two and not the occupied Kiev, between a team
Speaker 1: of skilled Ukrainian players and a team of German players,
Speaker 1: and according to the classic version of events that was
Speaker 1: generally accepted for a very long time, the Ukrainian team
Speaker 1: was warned that essentially it would be in their best
Speaker 1: interest to lose the match, but they decided to not
Speaker 1: give in to the threats and just to play good soccer,
Speaker 1: which was a move that won them the match, but again,
Speaker 1: according to legend, lost them their lives. Some say that
Speaker 1: all eleven players were lined up and shot by German
Speaker 1: troops after the match. Hence this became known as the
Speaker 1: death match or match of Death, depending on what source
Speaker 1: you're looking at. So, the movie The Match was supposed
Speaker 1: to be released in April in the Ukraine, but the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian film officials originally tried to block its release. They
Speaker 1: ended up changing their minds though, but when the film
Speaker 1: finally came out later that month, it was met with
Speaker 1: anchor and protests from a lot of Ukrainians. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about a little bit more about why
Speaker 1: the film got that reaction later in the podcast. But
Speaker 1: as you might have already guessed from the episodes title,
Speaker 1: our main goal here is going to be to talk
Speaker 1: about the deathmatch itself and all of the myths, all
Speaker 1: of the markiness surrounding it. And because while the legendary
Speaker 1: soccer game we just related to you is a dramatic story,
Speaker 1: it makes for a pretty great story to tell. Honestly,
Speaker 1: most people today except that a story is all it
Speaker 1: really is. It's it's just a legend, at least in part.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's generally accepted that a soccer game did
Speaker 1: take place in between Ukrainians and Nazison occupied Kiev, but
Speaker 1: the details are still up for debate. So we're going
Speaker 1: to take a look at the story and try to
Speaker 1: separate myth from fact like we sometimes do, and also
Speaker 1: try to understand why this myth came to be in
Speaker 1: the first place, how did it come about? But before
Speaker 1: we get too much into the soccer, you'll need an
Speaker 1: idea of what was going on in World War Two
Speaker 1: at the time, at least as much as it relates
Speaker 1: to the Ukraine. Yeah, So to give you some background
Speaker 1: on these events, Hitler's troops invaded the Soviet Union on
Speaker 1: June twenty sick and nineteen forty one in Operation Barbarossa,
Speaker 1: and less than three months after that, on September nineteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one, they made their way into the capital
Speaker 1: of the Ukraine, which was Kiev. So that invasion was
Speaker 1: followed up almost immediately by mass executions at a ravine
Speaker 1: on the city's outskirts called bobby Are, and between September
Speaker 1: twenty nine and September about thirty three thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy one people were killed at that ravine, including
Speaker 1: almost all of the Jews who lived in Kiev, men,
Speaker 1: women and children, and in the following years who It
Speaker 1: wasn't like things ended after that. In the following years,
Speaker 1: thousands of more people were killed there as well. Yeah. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: according to an article by James Rearden in the journal
Speaker 1: Soccer and Society, more Ukrainians died in the war than
Speaker 1: any other single nation, which is something that I didn't
Speaker 1: know before. It was something like ten to fifteen million
Speaker 1: people total. And that's largely because, as Reardon points out,
Speaker 1: the Nazis viewed people of Slavic descent to be unter
Speaker 1: mentioned or subhuman like the Jews. According to Defiance the
Speaker 1: Story of FC Start, which is a short ESPN documentary
Speaker 1: on the death Match, many Ukrainians were taken prisoner right
Speaker 1: away and thrown into camps, where some of them soon
Speaker 1: died of disease and starvation. But about six months into occupation,
Speaker 1: a lot of these POWs were released and ended up
Speaker 1: living like refugees on the streets of Kiev. They existed
Speaker 1: off of food rations that were at times cut to
Speaker 1: two hundred grams of bread per week, and this was
Speaker 1: said to be about the size of about a matchbox,
Speaker 1: so not very much at all, and so people had
Speaker 1: to resort to eating things like dogs, rats, crow's bark,
Speaker 1: and even kal dung. So we're gonna be starting our
Speaker 1: story basically with one of these POWs among those who
Speaker 1: were released in return to Kiev. According to an article
Speaker 1: by Johnny Kay Lee in Soccer in Society, where a
Speaker 1: few Ukrainian soccer players who had played for the local team,
Speaker 1: the Dynamo Kiev before the Nazi invasion, and Lee points
Speaker 1: out how soccer was really at its height kind of
Speaker 1: that it gained popularity in the Soviet Union during the
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, maybe as a way to escape from the
Speaker 1: harsh realities of being ruled by a totalitarian government. And
Speaker 1: Russia had a couple of pretty well known teams, but
Speaker 1: the Dynamo Kiev was considered one of the best of
Speaker 1: these soccer teams in Europe. Yeah, Anti Dugan, the author
Speaker 1: of Dynamo Triumph and Tragedy and Nazi Occupied Kiev said
Speaker 1: in that ESPN documentary that we mentioned quote, the way
Speaker 1: that Kiev played was revolutionary. They played tremendously attacking football.
Speaker 1: At the time, all the low coals knew who the
Speaker 1: players were, and they would talk about games for days
Speaker 1: after their celebrity. Indeed, but of course Nazi occupation changed
Speaker 1: all that, and the Dynamo Kiev players who were released
Speaker 1: as POWs had to struggle like everybody else did. However,
Speaker 1: one of them, Nikolaicha Savic, who had been the team's goalkeeper,
Speaker 1: upon his return to the city managed to land a
Speaker 1: job at the Kiev Bakery Number three, which, if you're
Speaker 1: getting rations that our match book sized with the pretty
Speaker 1: great opportunity. So how he got that opportunity had to
Speaker 1: do with his soccer playing past. The Kiev born manager
Speaker 1: of the bakery had been a huge Dynamo fan and
Speaker 1: he recognized to Savitch and brought him on, hired him,
Speaker 1: making sure that he had shelter and food and This manager,
Speaker 1: whose uh name some sources list as eosph Cordic, also
Speaker 1: had German ancestry, so he had a relatively privileged position
Speaker 1: in the city. At this time. He managed to convince
Speaker 1: the Kiev governor and the Reischkomi Star for the Ukraine
Speaker 1: that there should be an amateur football tournament in the
Speaker 1: city to raise the morale of the Germans. Of course,
Speaker 1: that was how he presented it, so some organized development
Speaker 1: of soccer teams was allowed to go on. Besides this,
Speaker 1: According to Carol Berkhoff's book Harvest of Despair, Life and
Speaker 1: Death in the Ukraine, under Nazi rule, organized sports were
Speaker 1: pretty much suppressed because the Germans were afraid that sports
Speaker 1: would encourage Ukrainian solidarity. So this was really almost a
Speaker 1: coup that he was able to convince them to stage
Speaker 1: this and go through with it. Yeah, in a way,
Speaker 1: the bakery manager encouraged to save it, to put together
Speaker 1: a team and save it. Managed to track down some
Speaker 1: of his old teammates and some players from the Locomotive
Speaker 1: Kiev team who were also given jobs at Bakery Number three.
Speaker 1: They called their team FC Start, which Lee suggests may
Speaker 1: have been symbolic of a new beginning. So by June
Speaker 1: of ninety two, the soccer tournament that the bakery manager
Speaker 1: was hoping for was finally organized, and it took play
Speaker 1: at the Zenit Stadium in Kiev and reared and describes
Speaker 1: it as a eurostyle competition where FC START played teams
Speaker 1: representing the various occupying powers so Hungary, Romania, Italy, Germany
Speaker 1: and nationalist Ukrainians. And from the beginning it was FC
Speaker 1: Start that just dominated the tournament. So, for example, they
Speaker 1: beat Hungry six to two, they beat the Romanian team
Speaker 1: eleven to zero, and they just continued to steamroll everyone,
Speaker 1: just go on undefeated throughout the summer. And that may
Speaker 1: not be too surprising when you think of the team's makeup.
Speaker 1: So FC START players were, after all, very skilled, professional
Speaker 1: level athletes who had been competing at the highest levels
Speaker 1: in their sport even before the Nazi invasion. Other teams
Speaker 1: might have been made up more of mostly military military folks.
Speaker 1: You know, they weren't professional soccer players. But at this
Speaker 1: point the Ukrainian team was also malnourished, they were tired
Speaker 1: from working hours, they didn't have proper equipment. They shouldn't
Speaker 1: just think of them as a team of highly conditioned
Speaker 1: professionals either FC starts wins, though especially considering the origins
Speaker 1: of the teams, that they were winning again started to
Speaker 1: really boost the morale of locals in Kiev. People would
Speaker 1: pay high prices, maybe higher than they can necessarily afford,
Speaker 1: for tickets to come out and see FC Start beat
Speaker 1: these teams that represented occupying forces. According to Lee's article,
Speaker 1: the Germans realized that this morale boosting was going on.
Speaker 1: They started to to to sort of come to know
Speaker 1: this that they were dealing with a type of resistance here,
Speaker 1: that they and their allies were being humiliated basically by
Speaker 1: what they considered to be a team of you know,
Speaker 1: sub human Ukrainians. So they decided that it was time
Speaker 1: to do something about it wasn't boosting their mora It
Speaker 1: wasn't boosting their morale at all. So on August six,
Speaker 1: a game was set up between FC Start and a
Speaker 1: recently formed German team called fluck Elf. According to an
Speaker 1: article in The New York Times by Drey Longman and
Speaker 1: Andrew larn, the name flock Elf suggested that the German
Speaker 1: team was made up mostly of people who manned anti
Speaker 1: aircraft guns around Kiev. Flock Elf had apparently pummeled the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian Nationalist team prior to this match, so they felt
Speaker 1: that they were easily going to come in and dominate
Speaker 1: FC Start too. But Start ended up winning five to one.
Speaker 1: That was not a problem for Flock Elf. They just
Speaker 1: scheduled a rematch for only three days later. And Lee
Speaker 1: also notes, of course, that the Germans controlled the local newspapers,
Speaker 1: so no reports about that original Ukrainian victory were getting out,
Speaker 1: and they were probably hoping that FC Start would be
Speaker 1: so tired. You know, we already mentioned they were malnourished
Speaker 1: and um not in the best physical shape. They would
Speaker 1: just be so tired from that previous match. And um,
Speaker 1: they working, and they didn't get like a three day
Speaker 1: vacation before the rematch exactly. They figured they would be
Speaker 1: really tired from that match during the rematch, and um,
Speaker 1: they were also planning on coming out with a possibly
Speaker 1: reinforced team of their own, so they would be new
Speaker 1: and improved while their opponents would be worn down and tired.
Speaker 1: So the rematch, the one that would become known as
Speaker 1: the Match of Death, took place on August nine, two,
Speaker 1: and according to that New York Times story we mentioned,
Speaker 1: there was said to be about two thousand spectators and
Speaker 1: Zeena Stadium was surrounded by s S officers and police dogs,
Speaker 1: though some say that that actually wasn't the case. Tickets
Speaker 1: to the game where five rubles apiece, which according to
Speaker 1: that ESPN documentary, would have been about half a person's
Speaker 1: a monthly salary at the time. One of the Start players,
Speaker 1: Makar Goncerenko, later said that an s S officer came
Speaker 1: to the FC Start dressing room before the match started,
Speaker 1: told them that he was their referee and then asked
Speaker 1: them to follow the rules and to greet their opponents
Speaker 1: in quote our fashion before the start of the match,
Speaker 1: which meant that he wanted them to give the Nazi salute,
Speaker 1: and they agreed to us in the moment. But when
Speaker 1: they went out there, instead of shouting Kyle Hitler, they
Speaker 1: were said to have yelled feats could Hurrah, which was
Speaker 1: a Soviet slogan that means fitness culture hurrah. So, according
Speaker 1: to the account of the game given by Gunturenko in
Speaker 1: a nineteen oral history, it was a really rough match
Speaker 1: and all of the calls went to the Germans. Drsavitch,
Speaker 1: who was the goalkeeper, was said to be kicked in
Speaker 1: the head and knocked out in the first half, and
Speaker 1: in Gunturenko said that this led FC start to fall behind,
Speaker 1: understandably losing it's it's best player like that. But in
Speaker 1: n he changed his story and he said that rather
Speaker 1: they were inspired by Rosavitch's injury and they were actually
Speaker 1: winning at halftime. The latter story would tend to drive
Speaker 1: better with the legend, at least as we related it
Speaker 1: in the beginning of this podcast, the one in which
Speaker 1: the s S officer slash referee comes into FC star
Speaker 1: Its dressing room at halftime and warns them against winning
Speaker 1: them right. Uh. The author that we mentioned, Dugan, told
Speaker 1: The New York Times that he thought that this was
Speaker 1: possible that the halftime ultimatum did take place, though in
Speaker 1: Reardon's article he says that the referee was actually a
Speaker 1: Ukrainian nationalist, that's what he his research came up with,
Speaker 1: and not a member of the Gestapo, is some believe,
Speaker 1: and that the ultimatum actually never took place. So, as
Speaker 1: you might have guessed by now, pretty much everything about
Speaker 1: how this game went down is up for debate. And
Speaker 1: while we just said it was a rough match and
Speaker 1: the Germans played dirty. Reared in whose research included interviewing
Speaker 1: sons of two Start players and eyewitness and the Ukraine
Speaker 1: Sports Museum curator, says that it was tough but a
Speaker 1: fair match, and that both sides in fact played roughly,
Speaker 1: not just the German side. And there's some examples of
Speaker 1: that too, aren't there of of pretty bold moves? Say?
Speaker 1: There are in Dugan's book, and eyewitness says that FC
Speaker 1: Start player alexeac Alimenko made a saucy move at the
Speaker 1: end to pretty much embarrass the Germans. Further, he dribbled
Speaker 1: all the way down to the mouth of the Germans
Speaker 1: goal and then instead of scoring, he kicked the ball
Speaker 1: back up field, as if to say, I don't need
Speaker 1: that goal. Yeah, exactly. So, regardless of the details, it's
Speaker 1: generally accepted that FC Start went on to win the
Speaker 1: match five to three. So we know there was a match,
Speaker 1: we know they won to five to three, but then
Speaker 1: all these other details. Yeah, we've given you various options
Speaker 1: on still though, I mean, what you're probably most interested
Speaker 1: in is the legend of what happened to the players
Speaker 1: after the match, where they really taken out and shot.
Speaker 1: That's the myth that we mentioned uh, and it was
Speaker 1: taken pretty much as gospel for about fifty years, just
Speaker 1: lined up and shot right after the match. And this
Speaker 1: is obviously untrue since Contrenko lived on to tell the tale.
Speaker 1: He died at age eighty six, But there have been
Speaker 1: other versions of the story that trast quite sharply with
Speaker 1: this has the players shaking hands, posing for a photo together,
Speaker 1: and going home. That's what Reardon's eyewitness, who was sixteen
Speaker 1: years old at the time of the match, told him.
Speaker 1: Interesting though, there is a photo that supposedly shows players
Speaker 1: on both teams standing together and smiling after the game,
Speaker 1: but according to an article in The Guardian by Jonathan Wilson,
Speaker 1: this photo was probably taken at an entirely different game
Speaker 1: because the correct mix of people aren't pictured there, and
Speaker 1: the Germans were reported to be wearing a completely different uniform,
Speaker 1: so it's something else entirely another just bizarre aspect of
Speaker 1: this another twice. In Gonzarenko's account, he said that the
Speaker 1: players were all apprehensive afterward, but they just showered and
Speaker 1: went home. By some accounts, FC START players were arrested
Speaker 1: at the bakery on August tenth, the day after the rematch,
Speaker 1: and Gestapo agents came hunting for them by name, came
Speaker 1: in actually with a Dynamo Kiev poster. I've read and
Speaker 1: matched him up and tried to match him up. But
Speaker 1: by other accounts, the team played one more match on
Speaker 1: August sixteen, which they won eight to zero, and then
Speaker 1: they were arrested a couple of days later, on August eighteen.
Speaker 1: There are also alternate reasons though, why they were arrested, though,
Speaker 1: and at least one of these arrests had absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: to do with soccer. So again, according to Reardon's article,
Speaker 1: someone added ground glass to the bread that was coming
Speaker 1: out of Bakery Number three and the bread that was
Speaker 1: specifically intended for German officers. And according to the New
Speaker 1: York Times story, the players might have also been suspected
Speaker 1: of having ties to the n k v D, which
Speaker 1: was the Soviet secret police, and at least one player
Speaker 1: was said to have been killed for this reason, So
Speaker 1: it might not have been They might not have gotten
Speaker 1: in trouble because they were such fantastic soccer players, but
Speaker 1: because they had all of these other ties and other
Speaker 1: suspected activities going on. Right, Lee writes that these ten
Speaker 1: players were sent to a labor camp at Surettes, and
Speaker 1: about six months after the match, three players were shot
Speaker 1: to death, and those were Trasavich Klemenco and Ivan Kuzmenko,
Speaker 1: and Lie suggests that these players deaths actually didn't really
Speaker 1: have much to do with the fact that they won
Speaker 1: a soccer game, or at least they didn't have everything
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that they won a soccer game.
Speaker 1: He believes that their fates were just the same as
Speaker 1: so many other Soviet people who died during this time,
Speaker 1: and Gondurenco himself kind of agreed with the statement. He
Speaker 1: said something sort of similar in the interview um. He said,
Speaker 1: a desperate fight for survival started, which ended badly for
Speaker 1: four players. Unfortunately, they did not die because they were
Speaker 1: great footballers or great Dynamo players. They died like many
Speaker 1: other Soviet people, because two totalitarian systems were fighting each
Speaker 1: other and they were destined to become victims of that
Speaker 1: grand scale massacre. The death of the Dynamo players is
Speaker 1: not so very different from many other deaths. Dugan, however,
Speaker 1: told The New York Times that he does believe the
Speaker 1: Start players were killed on purpose, because it seems to
Speaker 1: coincidental that it was three of the best players that
Speaker 1: were shot first. So according to Lee, though at least
Speaker 1: three players, including Concurenco, did manage to escape and to
Speaker 1: hide out in Kiev until the city was liberated by
Speaker 1: the Soviets in November ninety three. But it's not like
Speaker 1: things started looking up for the soccer players from there
Speaker 1: on either. After Stalin took control of the Soviet territories again,
Speaker 1: anybody who had had contact with the Nazis during their
Speaker 1: occupation was arrested and questioned as a suspected collaborator. And
Speaker 1: because the sc start players had competed in these sports,
Speaker 1: uh you know, a sports event with the occupiers competed
Speaker 1: in games against them, that was considered pretty close contact,
Speaker 1: pretty close collaboration. Eventually, though, word about the supposed deathmatch
Speaker 1: started to get out and articles were published, and at
Speaker 1: first Soviet authorities didn't really want to promote it because
Speaker 1: it wasn't something that had been sponsored by them, But
Speaker 1: eventually they really adopted this story. They spun it to
Speaker 1: their own advantage, so it became something like Soviet propaganda
Speaker 1: in a way. And this is probably why the more
Speaker 1: extreme version of the Match of Death exists today, because
Speaker 1: it did serve a purpose at the time, right According
Speaker 1: to the New York Times article. This is probably also
Speaker 1: why Gontranco story changed over time, because he was initially
Speaker 1: afraid of being seen by the Soviet government as a
Speaker 1: Nazi collaborator, but then in later interviews, those that took
Speaker 1: place after the fall of the Soviet Union, it was
Speaker 1: a different story. Maybe he felt like he could finally
Speaker 1: tell the truth. Who knows. Incidentally, in the sixties, the
Speaker 1: Soviet government actually gave I think posthumously, they gave the
Speaker 1: four who had died medals, and they gave they tried
Speaker 1: to give the living players medals as well, but I
Speaker 1: think one of the players actually refused to take a
Speaker 1: medal because he was like, I don't want to be
Speaker 1: part of a lie. Wow. But this controversy involving the
Speaker 1: new movie The Match that we mentioned and an intro
Speaker 1: to this episode is sort of all wrapped up in
Speaker 1: kind of similar attentions to not exactly the same. But
Speaker 1: it's a Russian made film, and some Ukrainians feel that
Speaker 1: it depicts Ukrainians as Nazi collaborators who would be better
Speaker 1: off sticking with Russia. So it's still kind of all
Speaker 1: about the Ukrainians feeling like the Russians want to keep
Speaker 1: them in their sphere of influence. I guess well, and
Speaker 1: we should mention too that after the collapse of the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union, other accounts of the deathmatch really started to emerge,
Speaker 1: and that's how some of the alternate versions of details
Speaker 1: you've heard today came about. You know, that's why this
Speaker 1: story seems so sketchy in a way. And like you
Speaker 1: said earlier, all we know, really there was a soccer match,
Speaker 1: they won. What else happened? Yeah, all this other research
Speaker 1: started to come out later, but it was difficult in
Speaker 1: the nineties because I mean, Gondarenco was the one who
Speaker 1: lived the longest I think, and he lived until so
Speaker 1: there's really no one to ask anymore who was part
Speaker 1: of the game. There may be still eyewitnesses and things
Speaker 1: like that, but you know, with the differing stories and
Speaker 1: stuff exactly, we're still left to wonder what the exact
Speaker 1: story is. But many agree that even if the match
Speaker 1: wasn't quite as dramatic as the myth that was perpetuated
Speaker 1: for so many years, the FC Start players were still
Speaker 1: significant and heroic in a way because they boosted morale
Speaker 1: and they gave people hope during a really dark time.
Speaker 1: Reardon calls it quote a brief moment of human decency
Speaker 1: provided by football in the maelstream of war. That reminds
Speaker 1: me a little bit about some of those quotes surrounding
Speaker 1: the First Olympics too, about how sports can be inspiring
Speaker 1: and show that competition can be something that's peaceful and organized. Yes,
Speaker 1: today there's still a monument at Dynamo Stadium honoring the
Speaker 1: four start players who died in the months after the deathmatch,
Speaker 1: So what these men did is still remembered and even celebrated,
Speaker 1: regardless of the exact details. So I think you know,
Speaker 1: what you're saying about the Olympics is also a good
Speaker 1: tie in It's it's in general. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: be inspired what people with, what people do, and what
Speaker 1: they can accomplish in sports, even if it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: an act of heroism, as you might well. It also
Speaker 1: shows just how charismatic sports stars can really be and
Speaker 1: how much they can grip a country's attention. Even during
Speaker 1: a time when there was clearly so many other things
Speaker 1: to be thinking about and worrying about, they could still
Speaker 1: have a sports figure that you followed and cared about
Speaker 1: and paid half of your monthly salary to go see
Speaker 1: And well, I think it all comes back to that
Speaker 1: idea of hope and um, you know how that can
Speaker 1: be an active heroism in itself, just providing that for
Speaker 1: people sometimes no matter what the medium, I guess, but
Speaker 1: a very sad story about also one that's really interesting
Speaker 1: and when the you know we may continue to find
Speaker 1: out more about over the years, is maybe more details emerged.
Speaker 1: So if you know of any other I know that
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other side and theories and
Speaker 1: parts to the story that we didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to cover today, and if you want to share any
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