Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how
Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm to blame a chalk reboarding and I'm fair Dowdy,
Speaker 1: and this episode is about a character who almost needs
Speaker 1: really no introduction. He's one of our most requested topics
Speaker 1: and probably one of the most gruesome stories that ever
Speaker 1: gets requested. It gets requested around Halloween a lot, a lot. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: especially this Halloween, because we did Bell Gunnists, which is
Speaker 1: sort of a similar Tarle story. So of course I'm
Speaker 1: talking about H. H. Holmes, whose crimes and murderous exploits
Speaker 1: were featured in Eric Larson's best selling book Devil in
Speaker 1: the White City, which is kind of a chronicle of
Speaker 1: what was going on in Chicago at the end of
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, particularly as it pertained to the World's
Speaker 1: Columbian Exposition, also known as the Chicago World's Fair. The
Speaker 1: time of the World's Fair is often thought of as
Speaker 1: a kind is kind of the height of holmes mental activity,
Speaker 1: which is why he fits into that story. And he's
Speaker 1: also often called America's first serial killer, although we now
Speaker 1: know from previous podcasts that others like Bell Gunnists may
Speaker 1: have been close on his heels, But I think what's
Speaker 1: really interesting about the home story isn't that the bone chilling,
Speaker 1: gruesome nature of his crimes. It's how he how he
Speaker 1: really pulled them off. I mean, that's what interests you too,
Speaker 1: I think to blame it absolutely. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: learn his story, you find yourself asking over and over again,
Speaker 1: how did he not get caught? Why did people fall
Speaker 1: for his schemes and fall into the traps that he
Speaker 1: sat And why didn't more people report all of the
Speaker 1: suspicions they were feeling exactly So it's kind of similar
Speaker 1: to the Bell Gannist story in that way, because I
Speaker 1: think you sort of ask yourself those kind of questions
Speaker 1: whenever you how did it get so far? Yes, and
Speaker 1: there are some ideas about why he was able to
Speaker 1: get so far literally get away with murder for so long,
Speaker 1: And we'll take a look at those as we tell
Speaker 1: the story of his crime spree and the sort of
Speaker 1: house of horrors that he built in Chicago in the
Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds, which came to be known as Murder Castle.
Speaker 1: But first we're going to take a look at his
Speaker 1: early days and take a look a little bit about
Speaker 1: what the childhood of a serial killers like so. Holmes
Speaker 1: was born Herman W. Mudget May sixteenth, eighteen sixty one
Speaker 1: in Gilmanton, which was a small farming village in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: He had a brother and a sister, and his father, Levi,
Speaker 1: was a farmer and a postmaster. His mother was a
Speaker 1: very religious woman, and both parents were devout Methodist, but
Speaker 1: the father was especially strict, and he doled out harsh
Speaker 1: punishments for even minor misbehavior and his children. Consequently, Little
Speaker 1: Herman Mudget was beaten quite a lot as a child,
Speaker 1: and according to a History magazine article by Phil Jones,
Speaker 1: Mudget's father would even use kerosene vapor on the children,
Speaker 1: sometimes to make them be quiet when they were being
Speaker 1: too noisy. As a child, Mudget spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time on his own inventing things like a wind powered
Speaker 1: device to scare birds off his family farm. A lot
Speaker 1: of sources also suggest that another early pastime of his
Speaker 1: was experimenting on animals, both dead and alive, which of
Speaker 1: course basically mounted to torture, though Larsen's book suggests that
Speaker 1: this might have just been speculation on the part of researchers.
Speaker 1: His only childhood friend was a kid named Tom, who
Speaker 1: died in a fall when they were playing in an
Speaker 1: abandoned house. Obviously, this was considered an accident at the time,
Speaker 1: but after learning what You're about too and the rest
Speaker 1: of this podcast, it might seem more like Mudget's first
Speaker 1: victims suspicious. So Mudget graduated from school at age sixteen
Speaker 1: and initially went to work as a teacher in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: And while he was teaching, he met a woman named
Speaker 1: Clara A laver Ling who he just totally won over
Speaker 1: with his charm. And that's something important to consider for
Speaker 1: these podcasts. To the sort of power he had over
Speaker 1: women is really a recurring theme throughout this story. They
Speaker 1: found him very good looking, of course, he had dark
Speaker 1: brown hair and blue eyes and a thick mustache popular
Speaker 1: at the time. But his manner too, was charming. He
Speaker 1: was affectionate. He had a way of making them feel
Speaker 1: like they were really the only women in the world,
Speaker 1: and so he'd get close to them and not just um,
Speaker 1: not just in a like charming them kind of way.
Speaker 1: He would actually touch them and that wasn't exactly appropriate
Speaker 1: at the time. But instead of being offended by this behavior. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of women who he met seemed excited by it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've all met someone like that,
Speaker 1: that person who just sort of really hangs on every
Speaker 1: word you say, maybe touches your arm when you're having
Speaker 1: a bad day and you're telling about it, and just
Speaker 1: kind of makes you feel like you're the only person
Speaker 1: in the world, or potentially creeps you out. Depends actually
Speaker 1: creeps you out on how far they take it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, depending on how observant you are. But and
Speaker 1: I mean I can see I can see him crossing
Speaker 1: that line with with some people. Apparently he didn't cross
Speaker 1: the line too much. A lot of women were taken
Speaker 1: with him and Mudget and Claire married on July four,
Speaker 1: seventy eight, when Mudget was about eighteen years old, and
Speaker 1: they had one child together, a son, But it didn't
Speaker 1: take long for the romance here to die out. Mudget
Speaker 1: started going away for long periods of time and then
Speaker 1: finally just left, even though the two were still legally married.
Speaker 1: Then Mudget decided he wanted to study medicine, and so
Speaker 1: he went to college at age nineteen. He started out
Speaker 1: at the University of Vermont and Burlington, where, according to
Speaker 1: Jones article, he paid tuition with Claire's inheritance, so we
Speaker 1: can see maybe a motive for marrying her in the
Speaker 1: first place here. But after about a year he transferred
Speaker 1: to the University of Michigan Medical School in ann Arbor,
Speaker 1: which was, according to Lawcen's book, known for its emphasis
Speaker 1: on dissection, picking a program that fit his strong fuits.
Speaker 1: So Mudget wasn't remembered as an especially stellar student, though,
Speaker 1: and this might have been because his mind was occupied
Speaker 1: by a lot of other things, one of which was
Speaker 1: making money. So according to an article in biography by
Speaker 1: David Goldman, it was while he was at the University
Speaker 1: of Michigan that Mudget took his first stab at insurance fraud.
Speaker 1: So he'd steal cadavers from the anatomy lab at school
Speaker 1: and then disfigure them so that they couldn't be recognized.
Speaker 1: Then he would take out insurance policies on the cadavers,
Speaker 1: setting them up as some kind of fictional family members,
Speaker 1: and of course naming himself as the beneficiary. And then
Speaker 1: he'd staged these accidents in various locations to make it
Speaker 1: look like the cause of the accident caused the cadaver's death,
Speaker 1: and then he'd collect on the insurance policy and get
Speaker 1: the cash. After leaving college, and there's actually some question
Speaker 1: I think about whether he actually graduated or not. Some
Speaker 1: sources say yes, others say that he was expelled when
Speaker 1: his cadaver ever stealing was discovered. But after he left,
Speaker 1: Mudget traveled to various cities for the next six years,
Speaker 1: basically scamming people wherever he went, trying to make a
Speaker 1: buck however he could, even if it came down to
Speaker 1: skipping out on lodging bills without paying. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was really trying to get out of paying every last
Speaker 1: dollar if he could. In Philadelphia, when he was working there,
Speaker 1: a child died after taking medicine from a drug store
Speaker 1: that he worked at, so he fled the city soon after.
Speaker 1: So by six Mudget had landed in Chicago, and once
Speaker 1: he was there, he started looking for a job in
Speaker 1: a suburb of growing suburb Englewood, which was south of Chicago,
Speaker 1: and since he had had that whole issue with the
Speaker 1: child dying from the medicine, he changed his name. He
Speaker 1: started going by the alias H. H. Holmes and went
Speaker 1: into a drug store that was owned by an elderly
Speaker 1: woman named This Holton, asking if she needed anybody to
Speaker 1: help in her store. Basically, he told her his credentials,
Speaker 1: which him pretty impressive, and he used that a magnetic
Speaker 1: charm we talked about earlier that he'd used on young
Speaker 1: women when he was flirting with them, and um, Mrs
Speaker 1: Holton ended up opening up to him, you know, telling
Speaker 1: him that her husband, who lived with her in the
Speaker 1: apartment upstairs, was very ill. He was dying. She really
Speaker 1: needed somebody like Holmes to come in and help her
Speaker 1: out with the store, so she ended up hiring him,
Speaker 1: and he eventually took over operation of the store pretty
Speaker 1: much completely. After Mr Holton died, Holmes offered to buy
Speaker 1: the store and to allow Mrs Holton to keep living
Speaker 1: in the apartment upstairs. He got the money to buy
Speaker 1: the place in a pretty shady way, though he did
Speaker 1: it by mortgaging fixtures and merchandise from the store itself.
Speaker 1: He also agreed to make payments of one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a month to Mrs Holton to cover the balance. According
Speaker 1: to both Jones and Goldman's articles, though Holmes eventually stopped
Speaker 1: making these payments and Mrs Holton filed a wall suit
Speaker 1: against him before it could go very far, though, she
Speaker 1: just disappeared. So loyal customer, you know, this lady has
Speaker 1: been an institution in this neighborhood for a while. Loyal
Speaker 1: customers started asking where's Mrs Holton, and Holmes just told
Speaker 1: them that she'd gone out to California visiting a relative.
Speaker 1: Uh and then well, lo and behold she decided to
Speaker 1: stay in California to move there, but he couldn't give
Speaker 1: them any kind of forwarding address. Meanwhile, though Holmes was
Speaker 1: proving a bit of an institution himself. He built up
Speaker 1: a following. People, especially female customers, really liked this charming
Speaker 1: young single doctor who had taken over the drug store
Speaker 1: and was running a pretty successful business. So not long
Speaker 1: after buying the store, Homes started a courtship with Murda Belknap,
Speaker 1: who he'd met before when he was living in Minneapolis
Speaker 1: for a little while. He drew her in with that
Speaker 1: charm that we keep mentioning, and with the allure of
Speaker 1: the big city of Chicago. I mean, to a girl,
Speaker 1: I guess the Minneapolis wasn't as hot a ticket as
Speaker 1: Chicago was at the time, so she was really attracted
Speaker 1: to the idea of living here in the big city,
Speaker 1: intriguing Cancelman, and they got married on January seven, and
Speaker 1: of course he didn't tell her that he was already
Speaker 1: married to somebody else under a different name. But apparently
Speaker 1: he did try at this time to petition for divorce.
Speaker 1: He filed a petition with the Supreme Court of Cook County, Illinois,
Speaker 1: claiming that his first wife had been unfaithful, so he
Speaker 1: was going to totally destroy her reputation in the process.
Speaker 1: But he never followed up on that petition, so it
Speaker 1: was eventually dismissed. Meanwhile, Murda did come to Chicago and
Speaker 1: lived and worked in the store with Holmes, and at
Speaker 1: first everything was okay, it themed, but she started to
Speaker 1: get jealous of the way the female customers flirted with Holmes.
Speaker 1: They would, for instance, often ask for him specifically, and
Speaker 1: eventually Murder became more possessive and also pregnant, and so
Speaker 1: Holmes asked her to manage the stores books, which got
Speaker 1: her out of the store and upstairs into the office
Speaker 1: all day. And it's interesting seen the way this described,
Speaker 1: It's not as though he was angry with her for
Speaker 1: being possessive. He just saw her as kind of an
Speaker 1: obstacle to what we're trying to do exactly. So she
Speaker 1: was unhappy being stuck up in this office and ended
Speaker 1: up going to live with her parents and will met
Speaker 1: in Illinois where her daughter where she had her daughter
Speaker 1: with Holmes Lucy, and Holmes would sometimes visit them and
Speaker 1: bring money for them and gifts to his daughter, and
Speaker 1: he'd even play with his daughter Lucy and seemed to
Speaker 1: dote on her while he was there. When he was there,
Speaker 1: he seemed like the perfect husband. That's how he acted.
Speaker 1: But his visits started to become few and far between.
Speaker 1: So by this point Holmes a k a. Mudget had
Speaker 1: abandoned to families and he was running this booming business
Speaker 1: and that was clearly the foremost thing on his mind.
Speaker 1: So in the summer of thinking about expanding business even more,
Speaker 1: he bought a whole block of land across the street
Speaker 1: at the intersection of sixty three and Wallace in Inglewood,
Speaker 1: which is undeveloped at this point, and he started sketching
Speaker 1: out some ideas for a new building that he wanted
Speaker 1: to put there was going to be a mixed use
Speaker 1: development that's probably what people would call it now, But
Speaker 1: he had some strange ideas about how he was going
Speaker 1: to build it. To say the least, he did. And
Speaker 1: we should mention why he was designing this place himself,
Speaker 1: why he was doing the sketching. He didn't want to
Speaker 1: work with an architect because then he would have to
Speaker 1: reveal all of the secrets of the structure and its
Speaker 1: intended purpose. It was very mixed use if you think
Speaker 1: about indeed, and he needed to avoid this situation at
Speaker 1: all costs, so he designed the whole thing himself. And
Speaker 1: the plan was for the first floor to have retail
Speaker 1: shops and the second and third floor to have apartments,
Speaker 1: and that would include holmes own flat and his office,
Speaker 1: which would be in a corner of the second floor.
Speaker 1: And the apartments he was planning weren't exactly normal apartments either.
Speaker 1: They weren't normal. In fact, they were really creepy and weird.
Speaker 1: He planned, for example, to have a secret wooden shoot
Speaker 1: that would stretch from the second floor to the basement.
Speaker 1: That's unusual, not like a laundry shoot or a trash shoot.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, and he planned to oil the shoot too,
Speaker 1: that's weird. He also wanted another room fitted with a
Speaker 1: large walk in airtight vault that had asbestos coated iron walls.
Speaker 1: Some of the rooms were also designed to be windowless
Speaker 1: and have and to have gas jets installed, the controls
Speaker 1: to which were to be in homes office. There were
Speaker 1: also plans for a hidden staircase or several hidden staircases
Speaker 1: and passageways, and the large basement that it had was
Speaker 1: intended to contain more hidden chambers and a sub basement.
Speaker 1: So Holmes really seemed to like planning this building. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a delight for him, but actually getting
Speaker 1: it built with a really big challenge, because like an architect,
Speaker 1: construction workers could just as easily become familiar with the
Speaker 1: scope of his project. You know, start really, I think
Speaker 1: secret staircases, shoots, airtight vaults, all of that, putting it
Speaker 1: together and make some assumptions. So he wanted to keep
Speaker 1: all of these suspicious details as secret as possible. So
Speaker 1: he addressed this problem just as he had acted like
Speaker 1: his own architect. He acted as his own contractor and
Speaker 1: hired lots of different carpenters and other workmen to come
Speaker 1: in and build little parts of the structure just by
Speaker 1: putting ads in the paper for for guys to come
Speaker 1: help him out, but when the workers would come to
Speaker 1: collect their pay after finishing whatever small project they were
Speaker 1: involved in, he'd act like he was displeased and tell
Speaker 1: them they had done a bad job, even if their
Speaker 1: work was fine, and fire them on the spot. Ironically,
Speaker 1: it fulfilled another demand of Holmes, which was penny pinching.
Speaker 1: It did. It helped him save money, and he was
Speaker 1: able to continuously cycle through different workers so that no
Speaker 1: one person knew the layout of the entire thing. So
Speaker 1: one person would maybe install part of the gas jet
Speaker 1: or something and then be fired, and another person would
Speaker 1: maybe start the wooden shoot, and you know, a third
Speaker 1: person would finish it or something. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: think this is the first part where it surprises me
Speaker 1: that word didn't get out. Not so much that this
Speaker 1: is a really strange construction project that's going on, but
Speaker 1: that don't go work for doctor Holmes because he never
Speaker 1: pays his workers. Yeah, it is surprising that word never
Speaker 1: got out. I guess that's the advantage of hiring individual
Speaker 1: random workers rather than going with a company or a
Speaker 1: group I suppose though. But also he supposedly would test
Speaker 1: certain workers and asked them to do these really deplorable
Speaker 1: things for extra cash. Yes. In his book, Larson mentions
Speaker 1: a particular bricklayer named George Bowman. For example, Holmes apparently
Speaker 1: pointed out a man to Bowman once and asked him
Speaker 1: to drop a stone on the man's head for fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: He said the man was his brother in law and
Speaker 1: that they didn't get along, and that was sort of
Speaker 1: his reasoning for asking Bowman to do this. So it's
Speaker 1: also possible, of course, I mean, we're not sure. It
Speaker 1: might have been that Holmes had an insurance policy on
Speaker 1: the brother in law, the supposed you know, quote unquote
Speaker 1: brother in law, But it might have just been a test,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned. But Bowman ultimately he didn't do it
Speaker 1: and he left the job soon after. But he was
Speaker 1: really creeped out by the situation, but again didn't go
Speaker 1: tell anyone about it. There were a few guys, though,
Speaker 1: who passed these weird tests that Holmes would set up,
Speaker 1: and over time they became his accomplices. One was a
Speaker 1: man named Patrick Quinlan, who ultimately became the caretaker of
Speaker 1: the murder House. Another was Benjamin Pitzell, who was a
Speaker 1: carpenter who Holmes once posted bail for and he becomes
Speaker 1: pretty important later in the story in the second episode.
Speaker 1: So one disadvantage to working this way, to working rotating
Speaker 1: through workers, I guess um and never working with the
Speaker 1: same crew for the for ant extended period of time,
Speaker 1: was that it just was really slow. The whole building
Speaker 1: process was really slow, so homes building took years to complete.
Speaker 1: It was finally done in about May of eighteen nine,
Speaker 1: and Homes sold his drug store across the street, and
Speaker 1: he apparently told the new owner, the person who bought it,
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't have to worry much about competition in
Speaker 1: the area. He'd probably assumed to me, don't worry, I
Speaker 1: won't reopen my drug store. Yes, But of course then
Speaker 1: he went across the street to his new building and
Speaker 1: immediately opened another drug store, so I guess the joke
Speaker 1: was on the new guy. He also opened several other
Speaker 1: businesses on the building's first floor, including a restaurant and
Speaker 1: a barbershop. But we're going to focus more on all
Speaker 1: of those apartments that the second and the third floors
Speaker 1: of Holmes This building. They had about seventy rooms initially,
Speaker 1: but then as talk of the eight World's Fair started
Speaker 1: to heat up, Holmes decided that he wanted to turn
Speaker 1: his building into kind of a hotel for the fair,
Speaker 1: and the Fair at that point was set to be
Speaker 1: located conveniently right down the street from Homes Building, so
Speaker 1: perfect location. Making this change, though from apartments to a
Speaker 1: World's Fair hotel, would not only allow him to get
Speaker 1: a better fire insurance policy, you know Holmes always after
Speaker 1: the best insurance deal, but it would also attract more
Speaker 1: clients to his building. So in eighteen e one, acting
Speaker 1: again as his own architect, he planned the necessary adjustments
Speaker 1: and employed his usual method of rotating through workers so
Speaker 1: no one person would really catch on to the overall
Speaker 1: planned what he was doing. But even though he was
Speaker 1: still managing to keep his labor costs low by constantly
Speaker 1: firing workers, he still needed some more cash to get
Speaker 1: his project completed. So he took advantage of visiting his
Speaker 1: second wife, Murder, who's still living in will met with
Speaker 1: her parents when her rich uncle Jonathan Belknap comes to visit.
Speaker 1: While Belknap is there, Holmes comes and he brings gifts
Speaker 1: for everyone, and he makes this big show of being
Speaker 1: a great husband, even though of course we know that
Speaker 1: he's an absentee husband. Belknap was initially suspicious of Holmes
Speaker 1: because he knew he and Murder had had a rocky relationship,
Speaker 1: but over the course of a few days Holmes does
Speaker 1: manage to win him over a bit. So when Holmes
Speaker 1: later asked him to endorse a note for two thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars which he claimed he'd used toward a
Speaker 1: new house for him and Murder, Belknap complied, I mean,
Speaker 1: he looks at this and he thinks, hey, maybe them
Speaker 1: living together in their own house will be a good
Speaker 1: thing for their marriage, and finally had his act together.
Speaker 1: Holmes wasn't planning on building a house, though in Casey
Speaker 1: didn't guess that, He went back to Englewood and forged
Speaker 1: belknap signature on a second note to put toward construction
Speaker 1: of his new hotel, and not long after that he
Speaker 1: asked Uncle Belknap himself to come visit Englewood and see
Speaker 1: his building, and Belknap couldn't quite put his finger on
Speaker 1: why that he was really wary about holmes offer. For
Speaker 1: some reason. He didn't want to offend him or offend
Speaker 1: his niece, though, so he agreed to go ahead and
Speaker 1: visit the new place. Once he arrived, he got this
Speaker 1: full tour from Homes of all the shops on the
Speaker 1: first floor and then the rooms upstairs. Belknap didn't really
Speaker 1: have a great impression of the whole thing. He thought
Speaker 1: it was gloomy and weird, which is a sense that
Speaker 1: we'll also get from others who visit this place later. Finally, though,
Speaker 1: Holmes invited Belknap to go on the roof of the building,
Speaker 1: and Belknap just at this point did not feel good
Speaker 1: about this offer at all. Yeah, I mean, part of
Speaker 1: it is he just doesn't really like home still, even
Speaker 1: though he wants to try for the sake of his niece.
Speaker 1: But he also thinks the situation is kind of strange, strange,
Speaker 1: getting stranger by the minute, So he makes an excuse,
Speaker 1: saying that he's too old to take on that number
Speaker 1: of steps, and Homes just keeps trying though, and trying
Speaker 1: to convince some bragging about the view up there and
Speaker 1: so forth, and telling and he can check out the
Speaker 1: construction better from there, but Belknap wouldn't budge. So then
Speaker 1: Holmes invited Belknap to spend the night. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to do this either, um. He finally agreed with him though,
Speaker 1: just because he figured I'm refusing so much, I'm really
Speaker 1: going to offend him at this point. So to keep
Speaker 1: things um just sort of you know exactly, he decides, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll stay the night. So that night, after Holmes shows
Speaker 1: him to his room on the second floor, Belknap locks
Speaker 1: his door. He still has that sort of uneasy feeling,
Speaker 1: and after what happens later on, we find out that
Speaker 1: he'll be really glad that he did that. So that's
Speaker 1: it for part one of this podcast. But next time,
Speaker 1: of course, we're gonna see what happens with Belknap's fate.
Speaker 1: But of course we're going to check out some more
Speaker 1: details also on holmes reign of terror during the World's Fair,
Speaker 1: his eventual flight from Chicago, and we're going to discuss
Speaker 1: how he ultimately gets caught, which is an interesting story
Speaker 1: in itself, and the fate of the Murder Caspital too.
Speaker 1: Don't forget that. Oh yeah, I mean, the Murder Castle
Speaker 1: is like a character in itself and this whole story,
Speaker 1: so we will absolutely find out what happens with that.
Speaker 1: Until then, though, you'll have to enjoy some listener mail.
Speaker 1: So we have an awesome postcard here from listener Lana,
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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work, all the best. So her
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Speaker 1: I think Deblena and I looked pretty close. We were
Speaker 1: trying to see the line, but I think it's something
Speaker 1: you must have to be there in person. I can't.
Speaker 1: I've been staring at it a while and now I
Speaker 1: feel like I can see it, But I think I
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