Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how
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Speaker 1: I'm Sair Dowdy and I'm delaying a chocolate boarding and
Speaker 1: today we're going to be talking about a very famous
Speaker 1: children's book and the author of that book, and Tonto
Speaker 1: Sante Superry and his most famous work. Of course, The
Speaker 1: Little Prince starts off with a pretty funny, memorable scene
Speaker 1: involving a boa and thwarted artistic talent. But from there
Speaker 1: it quickly cuts to the main action of the story.
Speaker 1: There's a pilot narrator and he's crash landed in the
Speaker 1: Sahara Desert. He's all by himself, and he has an
Speaker 1: engine to fix, and he only has one week's worth
Speaker 1: of water. And we're going to pick up with a
Speaker 1: little quote from that scene. The first night, then I
Speaker 1: went to sleep on the sand, a thousand miles from
Speaker 1: any human habitation. It was more isolated than a shipwrecked
Speaker 1: sailor on a raft in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 1: That's you can imagine my amazement at sunrise when I
Speaker 1: was awakened by an odd little voice. It said, if
Speaker 1: you please draw me as sheep? What draw me as sheep.
Speaker 1: That's the little Prince. Of course. Actually It'stublinos it playing
Speaker 1: the little print, playing the part of the little Prince.
Speaker 1: And luckily for our story, Um, the book, in addition
Speaker 1: to being part extraterrestrial, because the Little Prince is not
Speaker 1: from planet Earth, he's from an asteroid. Um, the book
Speaker 1: is also part autobiographical. And Santa Zuperi really did crash
Speaker 1: land In fact, he crashed landed quite a few times,
Speaker 1: most famously in the Libyan desert. Um. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that adventure and a few
Speaker 1: other things too. Yeah, his career is a male pilot
Speaker 1: and his mysterious disappearance over the Mediterranean. Because for all
Speaker 1: the simplicity and the gentleness of the Little Prince, its
Speaker 1: author was actually a very reckless man. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: up with him eventually unfortunately. Um. But we'll start at
Speaker 1: the beginning. He was of the minor nobility and born
Speaker 1: kind of impoverished minor nobility. I mean, the perfect beginning
Speaker 1: for a story like this. I'd say. His name was
Speaker 1: Antoine Marie Rogier de Sante Zuberi, and he was born
Speaker 1: June twenty nine, nineteen hundred, in lyon and um. As
Speaker 1: a side note, this was a listener suggested topic. Somebody
Speaker 1: named Mike brought it up to us, and he and
Speaker 1: his email. He mentioned that he thought that Exuberi was
Speaker 1: about the coolest name anybody could have, and Santa Zuberi
Speaker 1: barely thought so himself. He called it unbolnom, which means
Speaker 1: a lovely name, and he even tried to prevent other
Speaker 1: female family members who shared the names, such as his
Speaker 1: wife and his sister, from publishing under it, which they
Speaker 1: did anyway. So sorry, So he at least has the
Speaker 1: self esteem of nobility, if not the wallet's not the money.
Speaker 1: He missed World War On service by literally one day
Speaker 1: because he came with age one day after armistice, but
Speaker 1: he still really yearned his whole life for a military career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he failed his entrance exam. Heve not a very
Speaker 1: good student. He failed his entrance exam to the Navy
Speaker 1: school and instead entered a light cavalry regiment as a
Speaker 1: civilian conscript. And it's interesting, but from there he ended
Speaker 1: up flying. And it doesn't it doesn't seem like the
Speaker 1: easiest path in any way. He really really wanted to fly.
Speaker 1: He'd been flying in planes for about as long as
Speaker 1: a person could fly in planes at this point. His
Speaker 1: first ride was in nineteen twelve in a Bertode Robolowski
Speaker 1: metal monoplane. I tried to find more information about that
Speaker 1: plane and pronunciations as well, but um, I think it's
Speaker 1: a pretty rare early plane. Indeed, but according to an
Speaker 1: article in aviation history, the French weren't allowing civilian conscripts
Speaker 1: without previous experience to train his pilots. So this is
Speaker 1: where his position as minor and nobility comes in. Someone
Speaker 1: had to pull some strings for him and actually managed
Speaker 1: to get sane SUPERI flying lessons with an ex pilot
Speaker 1: from the German Army who hadn't really even trained a
Speaker 1: student before, so it was private, private flying lessons. Indeed,
Speaker 1: this is all while he was in service too, so
Speaker 1: that's you know, yeah, he he actually went over to
Speaker 1: the civilian side of the airfield to take his private
Speaker 1: pilot's lessons so he could get around this restriction. And
Speaker 1: he does, you know, start to build up hours and
Speaker 1: learn how to fly, and he became a military pilot.
Speaker 1: He flew fighter planes, and he got transferred to Morocco
Speaker 1: as an official flight trainee. And kept practicing. There he'd
Speaker 1: fly solo over the desert to Casablanca, and I mean
Speaker 1: that's sort of his first time on these long solo
Speaker 1: flights where I mean that sort of defines who he is.
Speaker 1: That if you, if you read many of his works
Speaker 1: or look at his biography, much long stretches of solitude
Speaker 1: flying over the desert. But by nine two he's earned
Speaker 1: enough hours to get his pilot's license. And it seems
Speaker 1: like up until this point it's been kind of unconventional,
Speaker 1: but pretty auspicious too. You know, he certainly had luck
Speaker 1: on his side. Seems like a good beginning for a
Speaker 1: life spent in the air, but that doesn't last very long.
Speaker 1: Within a year, he has his first big crash outside
Speaker 1: Paris while flying a plane that he wasn't even rated
Speaker 1: to fly. He was grounded temporarily after that, but then
Speaker 1: something else happens. His fiance decides to make this a
Speaker 1: more permanent arrangement and convinces him to quit flying, which
Speaker 1: he does, although unfortunately the relationship doesn't last. It ends
Speaker 1: pretty soon after that, but Sonic Superi ends up working
Speaker 1: odd jobs. He works as a bookkeeper, a mechanic, a
Speaker 1: traveling salesman for a truck manufacturer, does a bit of
Speaker 1: writing too, but basically not flying for a time. He's
Speaker 1: not flying, And just a note before we move on
Speaker 1: from her. His fiance was actually Louise Laveck de Villema,
Speaker 1: who was a future novelist still at this point, and
Speaker 1: she wrote Madame Do, which is kind of awkward to
Speaker 1: say out loud, that title imagine ellipses after Madame de Um,
Speaker 1: but that was of course adapted into the film ear
Speaker 1: Rings of Madame de also ellipsies say, which is a
Speaker 1: really cool movie if if um, any of y'all are
Speaker 1: looking for something new on your Netflix que, It's an interesting,
Speaker 1: kind of disturbing movie, and I think it's cool. She
Speaker 1: had a connection to Santa Zuberi. Yeah, but as we said,
Speaker 1: that connection doesn't last. So by he is back up
Speaker 1: in the air, this time as a commercial pilot, though
Speaker 1: hoping to be one. Hoping to be one, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: it was and no one really wants to fly at
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, it's kind of terrible. It's dangerous and cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so air mill was a better business to be in.
Speaker 1: So Santic Superi is hired by a former fighter pilot
Speaker 1: to work for a company that's called Aero Pastel eventually
Speaker 1: called eventually called Aero Pastel, even though he doesn't really
Speaker 1: have that much experience. So he starts out as a
Speaker 1: mechanic and starts working his way up the ladder. He
Speaker 1: works his way up to piloting, and he starts pioneering
Speaker 1: routes in Northwest Africa, South the South Atlantic, and South America.
Speaker 1: In Africa he works as station chief, and then in
Speaker 1: Patagonia he becomes operations director. So you know, so I mean,
Speaker 1: working his way up. He's doing well for himself. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting that even though some of those sound a
Speaker 1: little more like desk jobs, and maybe they could have
Speaker 1: been operations director. I don't know. He's still always in
Speaker 1: the air. I mean he always takes time to fly
Speaker 1: and and again. All those hours flying over the desert,
Speaker 1: flying over the mountains, I mean things that really add
Speaker 1: to his mystique and give him fodder for later books too.
Speaker 1: I mean, all that time spent looking at things and thinking. Uh.
Speaker 1: In fact, his first novel, which was published in nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty nine and its English title as Southern Mail, was
Speaker 1: about an airmail pilot, and his second book, published in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty called night Flight was about just sort of
Speaker 1: the glamorous but risky life of pilots, and he did
Speaker 1: embrace those risks still too. I mean you'd think that
Speaker 1: with this new responsibility, new amount of responsibility he has,
Speaker 1: he might tone it down a little. Um, not the
Speaker 1: same santic Zuberi who was flying planes he wasn't rated
Speaker 1: to fly in. He's still reckless. According to again that
Speaker 1: article in aviation history, mechanics really liked him. They liked
Speaker 1: hanging out with him, reading his stuff, talking with him,
Speaker 1: playing cards with him, but they preferred not to fly
Speaker 1: with him. When you know, lots were drawn or whatever.
Speaker 1: Who was going to go with santic Zuberi. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: really says it all. But rather than getting better, I
Speaker 1: guess getting less reckless, it only gets worse when he
Speaker 1: leaves Ara Pastile eventually because the company goes bankrupt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes to work. I think Air France spies a
Speaker 1: little bit of Ara pas Stile and he works as
Speaker 1: a test pilot for Air France and then as sort
Speaker 1: of a pr guy for the airline because he has
Speaker 1: had successful publications and he's a well known pilot by
Speaker 1: this point. Um, he even does the work as a reporter.
Speaker 1: But it's in nineteen five that he embarks on his
Speaker 1: next really bold enterprise, and it's an enterprise that helps
Speaker 1: inspire his next major book, which is the nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: nine National Book Award winner Wins, Sand and Stars, and
Speaker 1: even later inspires that that scene we opened with in
Speaker 1: The Little Prince, Um, it's not a good um, not
Speaker 1: a good scene though, not one you'd really want to
Speaker 1: live out in real life. No, it's rather scary. Actually.
Speaker 1: He gets ahold of another monoplane, This one is a
Speaker 1: Cadrone Simon, which Simon means sandstorm, and he attempts to
Speaker 1: set a record by flying from Paris to Saigon, and
Speaker 1: the prize for this would be a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand francs. Somehow, though, on this incredible journey, he ends up,
Speaker 1: along with his navigator mechanic Andre Provo, crashed in Libya.
Speaker 1: So Libya, I mean, come on, pretty yeah, pretty bad situation.
Speaker 1: They don't have provisions or anything like that. Um, just
Speaker 1: a little bit of wine, think yea or something like that.
Speaker 1: Not much at all. Luckily, though, they're rescued by bad Wins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and only three years later he crashes yet another one
Speaker 1: of these little planes in Guatemala. While he's trying to
Speaker 1: fly the length of North and South America. He starts
Speaker 1: somewhere in North America that is, is nowhere near the
Speaker 1: length of the continent. But anyways, I mean, your record
Speaker 1: is not going to hold if you if you crash
Speaker 1: land anyway, so um, you know, those kind of experiences
Speaker 1: just again fuel his his legend and his fame a
Speaker 1: little bit. Even though that second crash, the one in Guatemala, badly,
Speaker 1: badly injures him. I guess the first in Libya wasn't
Speaker 1: quite as bad because they crashed into a sand dune. Um,
Speaker 1: but he was a little more battered on the second one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: neither of them sound pleasant, but the second one actually
Speaker 1: ended his flight career, for his commercial flight career. He
Speaker 1: does rejoy the French Air Force briefly before the Nazis
Speaker 1: occupy the country, but luckily St. Suberi escapes. But where
Speaker 1: does he settle? New York City, of all places, And
Speaker 1: this is a secret that's kept for him by the
Speaker 1: War Department. He wanted actually at that point to join
Speaker 1: the US Air Force, but he's rejected because of his age.
Speaker 1: He's getting up in years at this point forty years old,
Speaker 1: not really a common age for a fighter pilot. Um,
Speaker 1: but he has a comfy founding life in New York City.
Speaker 1: I mean it. I'm amazed that that he doesn't end
Speaker 1: his days there. But he and his wife Kensuelo lived
Speaker 1: there from January nineteen forty one to April nineteen forty three,
Speaker 1: and they worked on drumming up support for the war.
Speaker 1: He was really trying to get the United States involved
Speaker 1: and um milling about with the Lindberghs, you know, having
Speaker 1: a pretty glamorous life. And it's even possible that the
Speaker 1: Lindbergh's son, who was a little blonde boy named Land,
Speaker 1: was the inspiration for the Little Prince character. And um,
Speaker 1: the Santa Zuperis were living too forty Central Park South Penthouse,
Speaker 1: so comfy digs. He liked the penthouse because he's way
Speaker 1: up in the air, and he likes New York too.
Speaker 1: He apparently really enjoyed going to the Empire State Building
Speaker 1: and tossing little scraps of paper off the top or
Speaker 1: out the windows or something and watching them float down. Um,
Speaker 1: he's having a good time. Sounds like a great life.
Speaker 1: But even to had away from Manhattan. Sometimes he and
Speaker 1: his wife stayed as guests at the Bevan House in
Speaker 1: Asharoke in Long Island, and that's where he wrote The
Speaker 1: Little Prince. And he also painted and studied English. Um,
Speaker 1: which I physically hung out. I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: a surprise to a lot of people. It was a
Speaker 1: surprise to me that The Little Prince was written in
Speaker 1: the United States. And I even found an interesting article.
Speaker 1: And then he heard times about Antoine Slant Exubery literary
Speaker 1: tours because in a way he is a New York writer,
Speaker 1: because his famous, most famous work was written here and
Speaker 1: or not here in the United States. Um. I think
Speaker 1: that's so cool to have somebody like that. You can
Speaker 1: go to New York and and see little spots he visited.
Speaker 1: Not someone you associate with New York at all. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. But after he finished the book, he
Speaker 1: ends up leaving. And I know, you can't believe the Sarah.
Speaker 1: He leaves this wonderful dream of a life he has
Speaker 1: in New York, hanging out in his penthouse, throwing pieces
Speaker 1: of paper off the entire State Building, and he rejoins
Speaker 1: the French Free Air Force. He really wants to get
Speaker 1: involved in the war and help out with the war effort.
Speaker 1: Patriotic and he loves flying exactly. So he joins up
Speaker 1: with the French Air Force in North Africa and he
Speaker 1: starts a free French air the Free French Air Force.
Speaker 1: We have the v SHE regime going on in France exactly,
Speaker 1: and he starts flying reconnaissance missions for the Allies. At
Speaker 1: this time, he's forty four years old, he's overweight, and
Speaker 1: he's just really beaten up from the crashes that he's endured. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think of all of the different crashes
Speaker 1: and the toll that would take on a middle aged man.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has trouble even getting into a plane
Speaker 1: at this point, let alone spending hours all stiff and
Speaker 1: buckled in in a in a cold cabin, and um,
Speaker 1: it really took the full power of his fame and
Speaker 1: influence to get him back in the cockpit. And I
Speaker 1: mean he's had strings pulled for him for his entire career.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think this is the big one
Speaker 1: here that gets this guy back in a plane. But
Speaker 1: he he does, you know, and he does start flying again.
Speaker 1: And on July thirty one, nineteen four, he takes off
Speaker 1: from Corsica on this photo mapping mission. He's in a
Speaker 1: lockeed P thirty eight lightning and he never comes back,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where our big mystery starts. He's
Speaker 1: of course presumed dead, and for many years there were
Speaker 1: a lot of theories about what exactly happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: after after Amelia Earhart. This is probably one of the
Speaker 1: big aviation mysteries of our time. Yeah, definitely, there were
Speaker 1: several possibilities. Could have been suicide. He did go through
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble to be in this dangerous situation,
Speaker 1: and he was known to be depressed, so there's some
Speaker 1: chances that maybe this was just an elaborate suicide attempt.
Speaker 1: Some people think that it's also possible that he may
Speaker 1: have mishandled the plane or perhaps miscalculated how much fuel
Speaker 1: he had and just crashed. He could have also maybe
Speaker 1: passed out some lack of oxygen unlikely scenarios unlikely since
Speaker 1: oxygen was the one thing Sonic Supery was famously very
Speaker 1: careful about. I think that's kind of funny to um
Speaker 1: not in this situation, but that he was so careful
Speaker 1: about oxygen and reckless about everything else. UM And then
Speaker 1: of course there's the possibility that he was shot down.
Speaker 1: So for years and years after his death, this is
Speaker 1: sort of what we were left with, figuring out what
Speaker 1: it could have been, and knowing that we probably would
Speaker 1: never know. Then in new clues started trickling in, and
Speaker 1: it started when fisherman off of Marseilles found a silver
Speaker 1: bracelet with his name engraved on it in a scrap
Speaker 1: of his flying suit, and divers started checking the area nearby,
Speaker 1: you know, looking for for anything else, and they found
Speaker 1: remains of a lackeyed P thirty eight lightning and there
Speaker 1: was no body inside, nobody anywhere near. But the serial
Speaker 1: number of the plane matched that of the plane Sonic
Speaker 1: Xuberi was known to be flying. Yeah, but it was weird.
Speaker 1: There was no evidence of bullet holes or bent propeller
Speaker 1: or any other sign that it had been shot down.
Speaker 1: So a little bit of a discovery, little big discovery,
Speaker 1: but still mystery. We didn't exactly know what happened. So
Speaker 1: in two thousand five there was another interesting discovery. Two
Speaker 1: divers decided that they had noticed this wreckage nearby the
Speaker 1: Scent Exuberi crash site a few years earlier, and they
Speaker 1: decided okay, let's get check that out. And after going
Speaker 1: through a bunch of red tape getting permits and everything,
Speaker 1: they finally do and they and they dive and and
Speaker 1: see what's down there, and interestingly, there is another plane
Speaker 1: down there. Yet what they found down there was a
Speaker 1: Damler Benz V twelve aircraft engine that, when reviewed by
Speaker 1: experts in Munich, turned out to be part of a
Speaker 1: measure Schmidt flight fighter lane flown by Prince Alexis von
Speaker 1: Bentheim muhn Steinfurt. And this was a twenty two year
Speaker 1: old German pilot shot down by Americans in ninety three
Speaker 1: when he was on his first solo flight, Prince a
Speaker 1: prince of all things, I mean, a young prince. So
Speaker 1: one of the divers who helps lift out this engine,
Speaker 1: named Leno von Gartzen, runs with this new clue and
Speaker 1: starts hitting the archives, working with the staff of a
Speaker 1: magazine for Luftwaffa vets and find truest to find pilots
Speaker 1: who flew with the Prince. Yeah, and he makes one thousand,
Speaker 1: two hundred calls to these Luftwaffa vets and to their
Speaker 1: families because of course the surviving wins they're in their
Speaker 1: eighties and many have have died since then. Um. And
Speaker 1: finally he contacts the former pilot, Horst Rippert, and Rippert
Speaker 1: tells him, quote, you can stop searching. I've shot down
Speaker 1: Sante Exuberi. This is amazing. I mean, this is an
Speaker 1: amazing revelation. But there's no proof of that it actually happened,
Speaker 1: since the German flight logs didn't make it through the war,
Speaker 1: usually a losing side. Of course, this late in the
Speaker 1: war too, they're not keeping really great records, right. But
Speaker 1: actually it's not that outrageous a tale, right, not really,
Speaker 1: because I mean his story he said, I didn't see
Speaker 1: the pilot. I never could have seen the pilot. But um,
Speaker 1: he does have a story that that adds up pretty much. Um.
Speaker 1: His fighter squadron had been alerted to a group of
Speaker 1: reconnaissance planes in the area, and he found a Lackey
Speaker 1: P thirty eight with with a French with French colors
Speaker 1: on it and shot it down. He didn't see the pilot, um,
Speaker 1: but he did note and remember these strange evasive loops
Speaker 1: that the pilot made trying to get away from him.
Speaker 1: And then a few days later he heard that Antoine
Speaker 1: de Sant exuper he was missing, and he had this
Speaker 1: horrible thinking suspicion that he might have killed him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he is the really sad part about that. He
Speaker 1: also admits that Sonic Superi had been his hero, a
Speaker 1: writer that he read in school and the person who
Speaker 1: inspired him to fly in the first place in his
Speaker 1: early twenties. When this happened. He even said, according to
Speaker 1: Sonic Supery's great nephew and family spokesperson, that if he
Speaker 1: had known what he was doing, he never would have
Speaker 1: done it. So, I mean, a very sad and an
Speaker 1: interesting story. And maybe, you know, I guess again, we're
Speaker 1: never going to know for sure, but it's certainly, um,
Speaker 1: certainly a fascinating conclusion for now to this mystery and
Speaker 1: at least an interesting possibility out there well. And to
Speaker 1: know that at the very least, this man who shot
Speaker 1: down a P thirty eight in ninet is haunted and
Speaker 1: has been for his entire life by the idea that
Speaker 1: he might have killed his his hero. It's tragic, it
Speaker 1: is so Sonic Supery. We now know he died at
Speaker 1: age forty four, just as a little prince once described
Speaker 1: seeing forty four sunsets in one day, and the book
Speaker 1: went on to become by far his most famous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably most of you have read it, whether as kids
Speaker 1: are in class or maybe to your own kids, or
Speaker 1: at least looked at the pictures. I mean that, I
Speaker 1: think that's always been my favorite part of The Little Prince,
Speaker 1: the Bay of Bob's and the boas and the rose.
Speaker 1: Of course. Um, today, this is kind of interesting. I
Speaker 1: was just reading a New Yorker article about asteroid strikes
Speaker 1: potential asteroid strikes on Earth, and there is a private
Speaker 1: foundation that is dedicated to protecting the Earth from asteroid strikes,
Speaker 1: and appropriately enough, it is named the B six twelve Foundation,
Speaker 1: after the Little Prince's home asteroid where's he's cleaning out
Speaker 1: as volcanoes every day? That's pretty cool. Just to end
Speaker 1: it off here, there's a quote that we have from
Speaker 1: Anne mar limp for on her friend Sonic SUPERI, and
Speaker 1: she says, how is it possible that he kept his
Speaker 1: mind on the gas consumption while pondering the mysteries of
Speaker 1: the universe? How can he navigate by stars when they're
Speaker 1: to him the frozen glitter of diamonds? And I think
Speaker 1: I really like his appreciation of of solitude, And um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just flying over the desert alone and
Speaker 1: having all that time to to think and ponder, not
Speaker 1: having radar and all these instruments and things. Um. One
Speaker 1: of his biographers, Stacy Chef, even mentioned that it's kind
Speaker 1: of difficult for any biographer of his to to look
Speaker 1: at his life completely because it's quite possible that the
Speaker 1: most important hours and moments were spent thousands of feet
Speaker 1: above earth and nobody can really touch that, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder what he would have written he
Speaker 1: had lived. Yeah, I think so. So. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that about wraps it up for Antointo sant Exubery. I'm
Speaker 1: kind interested in going out and looking at some of
Speaker 1: his other books. Now. I've only read the Little Prints,
Speaker 1: and I'd be interested to read some of his more
Speaker 1: memoir type writings, especially The wind Sandon Stars. Same here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one. I think it was. National Geographic rated
Speaker 1: him very high or rated that book very high, like
Speaker 1: three very least top ten for best adventure books. So
Speaker 1: that sounds right up my alley for for some fun
Speaker 1: springtime reading. And um, if you have any sent x
Speaker 1: SUPERI recommendation things you have read by him or any
Speaker 1: other author. Biography recommendations. After all, this was a listeners suggestion.
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