Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how
Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Dowdy and I'm Deblane chokerate boarding. And around
Speaker 1: this time last year, Katie and I did an episode
Speaker 1: on the artist michel Angelo. And it's a given that
Speaker 1: michel Angelo, he's one of the most famous artists in history.
Speaker 1: But according to the art historian Peter sim michel Angelo
Speaker 1: has been surpassed and at least one head to head competition,
Speaker 1: um and again at least in terms of what's being
Speaker 1: written about him. Nobody's looking at the art show, attendance
Speaker 1: or something here. But that raises the question who is
Speaker 1: the upstart? Interestingly, it's another michel Angelo, except this one
Speaker 1: who's named michel Angelo Maurice and he's better known as
Speaker 1: Caravaggio and some who works at the University of Toronto.
Speaker 1: He has studied books, catalogs and Scott Lili papers about
Speaker 1: the two men published in the last fifty years, everything
Speaker 1: kind of in that time range. And over time the
Speaker 1: Caravaggio related work did in fact outpaced the writings on Michelangelo,
Speaker 1: especially since the mid nineties or so. Yeah, so Caravaggio
Speaker 1: is apparently quite popular right now, and um, if the
Speaker 1: obsession has been growing for the past fifty years, it's
Speaker 1: really reached new heights this year and last year, which
Speaker 1: was the four hundredth anniversary of the artist's death. But
Speaker 1: so far we've had to art world controversies. This is
Speaker 1: in the past year too, art world controversies which have
Speaker 1: played out in really dramatic headline fashion. We're going to
Speaker 1: just read off a few of these headline counterheadlined selections
Speaker 1: for you. One is from the BBC Vatican reveals Caravaggio
Speaker 1: painting found in Rome and then later Vatican paper dismissed
Speaker 1: his own Caravaggio claims it's a little embarrassing. We have
Speaker 1: another one from the BBC Church Bones quote belonged to Caravaggio,
Speaker 1: researchers say, but also unearthing doubts about Caravaggio's remains. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about that one a little bit
Speaker 1: more because obviously it's an exhimission of related point for that. UM.
Speaker 1: There have also been two big exhibits though on the
Speaker 1: artists in the past year and this year as well.
Speaker 1: One was of Caravaggio's art at the Scutieri Quirinale, and
Speaker 1: the other was of his police trail at the Italian
Speaker 1: State Archives. And that's really the catch of this episode
Speaker 1: and probably the appeal of Caravaggio in general. He's not
Speaker 1: just a compelling figure because he's so masterful an artist,
Speaker 1: and he's not just compelling because he has this realist
Speaker 1: style that is well before his time. And he's not
Speaker 1: just interesting because he almost seems more like a photographer
Speaker 1: than a painter who lived centuries ago. He's he's a
Speaker 1: really bad guy. He's a bad boy. That's a good
Speaker 1: way to describe him. And the documents relating to his
Speaker 1: life are police documents and court documents, legal statements, things
Speaker 1: like that. He did leave quite a paper trail, and
Speaker 1: it does not really paint with pretty picture. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I guess that new paper Trails will focus on
Speaker 1: the most But first we'll go back to the beginning.
Speaker 1: He was born in fifteen seventy one, and he was
Speaker 1: the son of an architect and a majordomo for the
Speaker 1: Marquis of Caravaggio. He was apprentice later at age eleven,
Speaker 1: to painter Simone Patrezano in Milan, and it was sometime
Speaker 1: in his teens when he was sent off to Rome,
Speaker 1: and that's where he settles into this bohemian underworld. He's
Speaker 1: really poor and working for painters at that time who
Speaker 1: were less able than him. They're less talented. Yeah, definitely struggling.
Speaker 1: And these are kind of the lost years as far
Speaker 1: as his record goes, which I guess with Caravaggio that's
Speaker 1: a good thing, um, But they're not lost years as
Speaker 1: far as his work goes. He painted about forty pieces
Speaker 1: during this period, including Boy with a Fruit Basket and
Speaker 1: the Young Bacchus. Those are probably two of his most
Speaker 1: famous works. And finally in fift works like that must
Speaker 1: have caught the attention of certain eyes because he sets
Speaker 1: out on his own and he's brought to the attention
Speaker 1: of Cardinal Francesco Damonte, who was a big shot in
Speaker 1: the papal court. So this is his inn into the
Speaker 1: more elite world of Rome, and he's soon invited to
Speaker 1: live at the cardinals palace and uh, he's got room
Speaker 1: and board and all these commissions, and by fifteven he
Speaker 1: has a commission to decorate the Contrally Chapel in Rome,
Speaker 1: which really puts him into the big league. He's only
Speaker 1: twenty four years old, so he put in his his
Speaker 1: difficult years early. Yeah, and it's not a really totally
Speaker 1: smooth road all the way though. His work for the Chapel,
Speaker 1: which included scenes from the life of St. Matthew, they
Speaker 1: cost quite a stir at the time, and it's because
Speaker 1: these scenes he painted, they weren't idealized in any way.
Speaker 1: Matthew basically looks like a laborer off the street, a
Speaker 1: common person, not a very pretty saint. Yeah. And from
Speaker 1: there on out though, he does stick with these religious
Speaker 1: subjects though that's mostly what he's working on. But um,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you mentioned, the Matthew thing gives a
Speaker 1: pretty good foreshadowing of this. His his work isn't pretty,
Speaker 1: it's violent, and it's dark. Stylistically, he supposedly would use
Speaker 1: a lantern hung in a dark studio to achieve this
Speaker 1: really dramatic lighting effect. I mean, if you've I'm guessing
Speaker 1: probably most of you if you're listening to this episode,
Speaker 1: you've seen Caravaggio paintings, but they often look like a
Speaker 1: photo where there's a big, strong beam of light shining
Speaker 1: on the subject from one direction. Um. And another thing
Speaker 1: he would do is pick poor models, so maybe St.
Speaker 1: Matthew was right off the street. Um. He would use
Speaker 1: laborers and and just people he ran into, perhaps even prostitutes,
Speaker 1: which obviously it's gonna sometimes caused some trouble for him,
Speaker 1: and sometimes his work was consequently rejected by its original commissioner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Caramel Lites, for example, thought that his death of
Speaker 1: the Virgin looked a little too common and also a
Speaker 1: little too dead. Yeah. They didn't want her to look
Speaker 1: like a normal woman who had just died. They wanted
Speaker 1: her to be shooting straight up to heaven. And this
Speaker 1: kind of rejection, though, didn't really hurt Caravato's reputation. You
Speaker 1: would think that that having your commissions rejected would be
Speaker 1: a bad thing, but private buyers were very eager to
Speaker 1: snatch up the rejected pieces, and his success really continued
Speaker 1: to grow. He was moving and mingling in the highest
Speaker 1: circles of Roman society, hanging out with cardinals, hanging out
Speaker 1: with princes. So it seemed like he had risen above
Speaker 1: that rough and tumble bohemian life that he started out in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he never really totally left that hard knock life
Speaker 1: behind either. It said that he was given to wrath
Speaker 1: and riot, and probably the best way to understand him
Speaker 1: might be to first look up some images of his
Speaker 1: art and then take a look at his police record,
Speaker 1: which we're going to get into a little bit right now,
Speaker 1: is pretty ridiculous. Yeah, it's kind of crazy actually. May fourth,
Speaker 1: for example, he's arrested for carrying a sword without a
Speaker 1: permit between two and three am. November nineteen six hundred,
Speaker 1: he's sued over beating a man with a stick and
Speaker 1: cutting the guy's cape with his sword at a three
Speaker 1: am brawl. Then October two, sixteen oh one, he's accused
Speaker 1: of attacking a man with a sword and insulting him,
Speaker 1: adding insult to injury. April sixteen o four, he was
Speaker 1: accused of attacking a waiter over an artichoke related dispute, which,
Speaker 1: because I kind of love that one so much, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about it a little more in a
Speaker 1: second October nineteenth, sixteen o four, arrested for pelting policemen
Speaker 1: with stones. That's never good. May sixteen o five, he's
Speaker 1: arrested for carrying a sword and a dagger to this
Speaker 1: time without a permit. July sixteen oh five, he's accused
Speaker 1: by a Vatican Notary of striking him with a weapon
Speaker 1: from behind. So pretty good idea of the kind of
Speaker 1: shenanigans that Caravaggio was up to. And um the documents
Speaker 1: on view of the archives actually give us a closer
Speaker 1: look at some of these incidents. I mentioned the artichoke one.
Speaker 1: We have the waiters statement, which it'll let you know
Speaker 1: that a lot is based on tone. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to tell here what exactly happened, but here
Speaker 1: it goes. About seventeen o'clock lunchtime, the accused, together with
Speaker 1: two other people, was eating in the Moor's restaurant where
Speaker 1: I work as a waiter. I brought them eight cooked artichokes,
Speaker 1: four cooked in butter and four fried in oil. The
Speaker 1: accused asked me which were cooked in butter and which
Speaker 1: fried in oil, and I told him to smell them,
Speaker 1: which would easily enable him to tell the difference. That's
Speaker 1: where tone is important. He got angry and without saying
Speaker 1: anything more, grabbed an earthenware dish and hit me on
Speaker 1: the cheek at the level of my mustache, injuring me slightly.
Speaker 1: And then he got up and grabbed his friend's sword,
Speaker 1: which was lying on the table, intending perhaps to strike
Speaker 1: me with it, but I got up and came here
Speaker 1: to the police station to make a formal complaint. So
Speaker 1: you know a guy who's who's easy to anger, I
Speaker 1: guess yeah. He seemed to get riled up pretty easily.
Speaker 1: He was even accused of throwing stones at his landlady's
Speaker 1: window after she sued him for cutting holes in the
Speaker 1: ceiling to make his painting. That's the best part. So
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is obnoxious behavior, violent, um,
Speaker 1: potentially lethal behavior, and carrying illegal swords around is not
Speaker 1: a good way to stay out of trouble. But he
Speaker 1: reached a new level May sixteen or six when he
Speaker 1: killed a man. He can't really take that back. And um,
Speaker 1: the circumstances behind this murder are kind of interesting. Uh.
Speaker 1: The deceased was Rernuccio Toomassini, and he was murder on
Speaker 1: a tennis court in Rome, And so you've probably heard
Speaker 1: that because the location was a tennis court, the dispute
Speaker 1: was somehow related to a game of tennis, or some
Speaker 1: historians have suggested that it was related to a dispute
Speaker 1: over a woman. But either way, something that happened in
Speaker 1: the heat of the moment um, you just let your
Speaker 1: passions get to you and get into a fight, and
Speaker 1: then Renuccio is suddenly dead. But court documents from the
Speaker 1: time show that it really looked a lot more like
Speaker 1: an organized war, not just this argument that started suddenly. Right.
Speaker 1: For one thing, it's not exactly a tennis court where
Speaker 1: this happens. It's a Palacorta court in the Campo Marzio area,
Speaker 1: which was Caravaggio's neighborhood. Paul Acorta is kind of like tennis,
Speaker 1: except there's somehow string involved. We're not really sure how
Speaker 1: it works. Like an explanation of Palacorta for any still
Speaker 1: practicing sport enthusiasts. Yes, email us. The other thing was
Speaker 1: there were eight men who participate hated in this fight,
Speaker 1: and they were chosen ahead of time. They weren't just
Speaker 1: random onlookers. So, as you said, it wasn't just in
Speaker 1: the heat of them homet It wasn't people who got
Speaker 1: mad about something that happened to a game and decided
Speaker 1: to become part of this. It was planned. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Caravaggio himself was there with three other guys. One was
Speaker 1: a captain in the Papal Army again showing he does
Speaker 1: have friends in high places. And one of his friends
Speaker 1: was also badly injured and arrested after the fact. And
Speaker 1: it's during this guy's trial where it comes out that
Speaker 1: the fight was probably started over a gambling debt, so
Speaker 1: something that they could mull over for a little while
Speaker 1: and get their friends together. But Caravaggio is injured in this,
Speaker 1: but he escapes. He's not injured bad enough that he's arrested.
Speaker 1: He gets out of Rome. He's terribly concerned about what
Speaker 1: will happen to him, and rightly so, because he's condemned
Speaker 1: to death in absentia by Pope Paul the fifth. So
Speaker 1: the first place he goes is to the estate of
Speaker 1: the marquis of Caravaggio's relative so Um, a friend of
Speaker 1: his dad's friend. Essentially, from there he goes to Naples
Speaker 1: in early sixteen and seven, and he starts painting again.
Speaker 1: And just remember, throughout his entire flight he's still painting,
Speaker 1: which I think is so interesting. I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 1: partly to make a living, but that you would still
Speaker 1: have it in you when you're running for your life, right,
Speaker 1: and he has to keep moving. He moves on from
Speaker 1: Naples to Malta, where he not only keeps painting, but
Speaker 1: he's received into the Order of Malta, which is kind
Speaker 1: of confusing because it's something that requires papal permission. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Pope has just condemned him to death. I
Speaker 1: think that's interesting. And of course, all the while his
Speaker 1: friends back in Rome were working to get a papal dispensation.
Speaker 1: That's the only way he could be pardoned. But I
Speaker 1: would kind of want those files to be handled in
Speaker 1: reverse order, I think, and and get my life spared
Speaker 1: before I received into the Order of Malta. But either way,
Speaker 1: he's expelled from the Order of Malta not that long after,
Speaker 1: and he's jailed. He escapes from jail and goes to
Speaker 1: Syracuse in Sicily in October sight, and from there he
Speaker 1: goes on to Messina and then to Palermo, all the
Speaker 1: while still working. And it's kind of interesting. Art historians
Speaker 1: have commented on this work because obviously you're going to
Speaker 1: look at at anything done under such for circumstances, but
Speaker 1: apparently he really simplifies things and scales it down, but
Speaker 1: it's still just as skilled and well executed as ever.
Speaker 1: The only way for him. To really get arrest is
Speaker 1: to get the pope's pardon at this point, but Caravaggio
Speaker 1: has friends in high places, like we mentioned, so they've
Speaker 1: been working on this. Seems like a pardon might actually
Speaker 1: be on the horizon. Finally, Caravaggio ends up moving to
Speaker 1: Naples again, but when he's there, he's attacked at the
Speaker 1: door of an inn and horribly disfigured on his face,
Speaker 1: and people even get reports that he's dead. By July
Speaker 1: sixteen ten though, he's finally well enough to sail again,
Speaker 1: so he sails for Rome, but he's arrested along the
Speaker 1: way and the boat with all his stuff leaves him
Speaker 1: behind while he's in jail, so he's trying to chase
Speaker 1: down this boat. He gets as far as Porto Ricole,
Speaker 1: where he dies at thirty eight, so he never reaches
Speaker 1: the boat, never gets his pardon while he's alive. He
Speaker 1: is actually pardoned three days later. After three days later,
Speaker 1: so um, yeah, that's that's sad to say the least,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting though, but the circumstances around his death
Speaker 1: are appropriately controversial too. He's often believed to have died
Speaker 1: alone on the beach, which is terribly depressing and probably
Speaker 1: seems plausible, right, But his first biographer, Giovanni Biony, sort
Speaker 1: of made things even worse. He painted a picture um
Speaker 1: saying quote, finally having arrived in a place on the beach,
Speaker 1: he was put in bed with a high fever and
Speaker 1: having no human help. Within a few days he died
Speaker 1: as miserably as he had lived. I think that makes
Speaker 1: it worth It makes it seem like, not only does
Speaker 1: he die alone on the beach, somebody puts him in
Speaker 1: bed and then leaves him and then abandons him. Then
Speaker 1: he dies alone, definitely taking it up a notch. But
Speaker 1: his death was really not quite that dramatic. Records from
Speaker 1: the Archives exhibit show that Caravaggio was found delirious on
Speaker 1: the beach, but then he was taken to the hospital
Speaker 1: and he died there two days later, presumably not entirely
Speaker 1: abandoned by everyone at the hospital. Um. It's still unclear
Speaker 1: though what killed him, right, Maybe it was malaria, could
Speaker 1: have been not maybe the Knights of Malta, or maybe
Speaker 1: even the pope. I mean, during his successful, the very
Speaker 1: stressful career on the run, he was kind of afraid
Speaker 1: that Papal hitman were after him. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: concern of Caravaggios at least, But we also have to
Speaker 1: address those bones that were supposedly Carrathaggios and identified as
Speaker 1: his last summer um. First of all, though, why would
Speaker 1: this even be an issue here? You know, presumably an
Speaker 1: artist is famous as Caravaccio would have a monument and
Speaker 1: a marker set up immediately after his death. But even
Speaker 1: though it's pretty hard to believe, after Caravaccio's death, he
Speaker 1: faded into obscurity almost immediately. I mean, he had an
Speaker 1: influence on later artists, but people pretty much forgot who
Speaker 1: he was until he had this big resurgence at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the twentieth century. So that's why we knew
Speaker 1: he definitely died in Porto Coole, but we didn't know
Speaker 1: exactly where he was in Silvio Vincetti, who is the
Speaker 1: president of a private organization that seems to go around
Speaker 1: and I d the remains of illustrious deceased Italians, which
Speaker 1: as Dante announced that his team had identified bones of
Speaker 1: Caravaggio from the Porto Coole crypt. Yeah, and you may
Speaker 1: be asking how did they do this? So here's a
Speaker 1: little bit about their method. They examined eleton's at the crypt,
Speaker 1: eliminating ones that didn't fit Caravaggio's specs. Basically, they carbon
Speaker 1: dated things down to one skeleton, and then they tested
Speaker 1: that sample against the DNA from families who were named
Speaker 1: MAURICEI or Mauricio from Caravaggio. So they did this basically
Speaker 1: because Carvaggio didn't have any kids of his own, and
Speaker 1: the committee couldn't find his actual descendants, his siblings descendants,
Speaker 1: I should say, so they kind of had to take
Speaker 1: their best guests. Yeah, and that's one thing that makes
Speaker 1: people a little uncomfortable with this finding. But the group
Speaker 1: also concluded that the presumed Caravaggio skeleton had suffered from
Speaker 1: lead poisoning, which would would also add up for an
Speaker 1: artist at the time had suffered from syphilis and had
Speaker 1: died from sunstroke. But art historians have been really, really
Speaker 1: skeptical of this claim, to say the least. The New
Speaker 1: York Times article that we mentioned earlier had quote from
Speaker 1: quite a few art historians with varying tone of dismissal,
Speaker 1: but I included one trim Tamaso Montinari of the University
Speaker 1: of Naples, who said, quote in the four hundredth anniversary
Speaker 1: of Caravaggio's death. This committee has concocted a compelling discovery,
Speaker 1: thinking it will attract tourists. It's all very depressing. Yikes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so're not very confidence inspiring. No, not at all. So
Speaker 1: I guess I'm hoping that we'll find out more in
Speaker 1: the four hundred and first anniversary of Caravaggio's death, because
Speaker 1: I don't like my my exlamations to be depressing in
Speaker 1: up in the air. Yeah, you don't want your exclamations
Speaker 1: to be disproved and almost immediately. No, No, I'd like
Speaker 1: there to be solid evidence behind them. So that about
Speaker 1: wraps it up for this illustrious yet troubled painter. I'm
Speaker 1: sure lots of you, especially those of you who frequently
Speaker 1: request that we cover more art his story, have favorite
Speaker 1: Carcaggio stories, or maybe some of you have even gotten
Speaker 1: to go to these exhibits in Rome and you can
Speaker 1: tell us a little more about him. Apparently the art
Speaker 1: exhibit was lit very dramatically, with a dark room with
Speaker 1: spotlights on each canvas, so if you saw that, let
Speaker 1: us know how it was. Sounds interesting, um, and I
Speaker 1: guess that brings us to listener mail. This one's from
Speaker 1: Daniell in Canada, and I'm very sorry if I just
Speaker 1: muspronounced your name, She says, I just finished listening to
Speaker 1: the podcast on seventeenth century Dutch tulip Mania, and it
Speaker 1: made me think of another story about tulips. I live
Speaker 1: not far from Ottawa, which is the capital of Canada
Speaker 1: and located in Ontario, and one of the things that
Speaker 1: Ottawa is known for is their annual Tulip Festival. The
Speaker 1: history of the Tulip Festival is that it started as
Speaker 1: a way of recognizing Canada's role in liberating the Dutch
Speaker 1: during World War Two, and specifically for providing safe harbor
Speaker 1: for the Dutch royal family. The Tulip Festival's website does
Speaker 1: a much better job of explaining this, and she gives
Speaker 1: it to us here. It's www dot Tulip Festival dot
Speaker 1: c a. But essentially, during World War Two, the Canadian
Speaker 1: government temporarily declared a room at the Ottawa Civic Hospital
Speaker 1: to be Dutch territory so that Princess Marguerite could be
Speaker 1: born a Dutch citizen on Dutch soil as a thank
Speaker 1: you the people of the Netherlands and the new Princess's mother,
Speaker 1: Princess Juliana, sent many gifts to Canada, including a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand tulip bulbs. The festival is now almost sixty years
Speaker 1: old and it's the largest tulip festival in the world,
Speaker 1: and the tulip is Ottawa's official flower, which, as the
Speaker 1: event site notes, makes Ottawa the tulip capital of North America.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought that was a really sweet story,
Speaker 1: and actually a few people sent it to us. We
Speaker 1: got a similar story from Christina and Toronto and John
Speaker 1: who also told us about a Tulipmania board game, which
Speaker 1: sounds awesome. Um, definitely want to check out. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love games about commodity. What if the notities involved
Speaker 1: were tulips? That would be so much fun. Um. I
Speaker 1: just have one more of these Tulip or Holland related
Speaker 1: emails to share, and this one is from Yost. Initially,
Speaker 1: he emailed to let us know that the Kingdom of
Speaker 1: the Netherlands does not consist of the Antilles anymore, since
Speaker 1: they were dissolved on October tenth. And I was really
Speaker 1: shocked to see that information because after doing the most
Speaker 1: of the big research on the tool of episode, I
Speaker 1: looked at to make sure I knew exactly what the
Speaker 1: Netherlands were, and I looked on the official website of
Speaker 1: the Netherlands Board of Tourism and Conventions, which apparently is
Speaker 1: not updated yet. I sent them an email after I
Speaker 1: got this this correction, alerting them out of awkward. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a little awkward to do now that you mention it.
Speaker 1: But he also shared a really interesting story and I
Speaker 1: kind of like it because it has the pronunciation in
Speaker 1: it that no one no one can fault us for
Speaker 1: for mispronouncing. But here it goes. During the German occupation,
Speaker 1: the Allied bombers and accompanying fighters had to fly over
Speaker 1: Holland to reach Germany. As a result, a lot of
Speaker 1: plans were shot down over Dutch ground. If the pilots
Speaker 1: were lucky enough to survive and not get caught by
Speaker 1: Germans going to the crash site, they fell into the
Speaker 1: hands of the resistance and were smuggled back to England. Obviously,
Speaker 1: they were disguised as normal Dutch citizens during their transport.
Speaker 1: When German patrols encountered people they felt were not true Dutch,
Speaker 1: they would order them to say, shinkafigan, that's my best approximation. Um,
Speaker 1: this is the name of a Dutch coastal town. For
Speaker 1: non native Dutch speakers, it is almost impossible to make
Speaker 1: the truck sound the way a Dutch would, since it
Speaker 1: is a sound distinguished to our language. If the persons
Speaker 1: would fail the test, Germans knew they were dealing with
Speaker 1: British or Americans, and the proper action was taken. So um.
Speaker 1: I listened to a few different pronunciations of this word,
Speaker 1: and the best I can tell, it's sort of a
Speaker 1: combination of the t an s sound from a snake
Speaker 1: in an s h like chicaf andingen. But I don't
Speaker 1: think I would pass this test unfortunately, So it's good
Speaker 1: I was not a pilot flying over Holland in World
Speaker 1: War Two. In many ways, in many ways, but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, I thought that was a really
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