Speaker 1: Failing and everybody else takes a nasty hit. Car jumps
Speaker 1: to his feet and Donald Pinn said, I didn't like
Speaker 1: the way you treated my quarterback. Marshall Wish actually got
Speaker 1: his hands on an official Oh boy, he's gonna get
Speaker 1: tossed at Lynch's night is over. Here we go third
Speaker 1: and twelve, Smith, I'm lone said, and it's the deflection
Speaker 1: by Wilson for the touchdown. Did that just happen? More
Speaker 1: time to decide and now for the win? Hondo to
Speaker 1: snap at the kids betio it all wives, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, what a game. Derek cars touchdown past
Speaker 1: Michael Crabtree with no time on the clock, capping a
Speaker 1: five yard drive in the final two minutes and seconds,
Speaker 1: a drive that included multiple crazy, insane things happening. Uh,
Speaker 1: basically thinking of the game was over like four separate times. Uh,
Speaker 1: in the last five minutes. One of the craziest games
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Dan Hans is here along with Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthali around the NFL podcast. We're gonna get to all
Speaker 1: of the week's seven games, previewing them uh in a moment,
Speaker 1: But first we got to talk about this game. Greg
Speaker 1: a game the Oakland Raiders desperately needed, and they may
Speaker 1: have saved their season against the Chiefs with his thirty
Speaker 1: one to thirty win, and it is a game that
Speaker 1: we will all remember for a very long time. I
Speaker 1: feel like the season started tonight. I mean, this was
Speaker 1: like the game that felt like when that drive started.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't the only one to make the point
Speaker 1: I wrote, I've feels like the biggest drive of the
Speaker 1: whole season for any team, because this is a team
Speaker 1: that we expected to be in the mix at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, and they needed to go make
Speaker 1: that drive to save this game. And it was a
Speaker 1: crazy fifty nine minutes in thirty seconds leading up until
Speaker 1: those last plays. But ultimately, I think all we're gonna
Speaker 1: remember years from now, as you mentioned, are those five plays.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Raiders want it three different times, they
Speaker 1: want it twice and celebrated it, and the Chiefs won
Speaker 1: it twice that got turned over by penalties, both of
Speaker 1: which I think we're good calls, but that I've never
Speaker 1: seen an ending like that, Not sure we ever will. Yes,
Speaker 1: there were seven lead changes in this game, so most
Speaker 1: of all year, you know, So yeah, before the game
Speaker 1: ended in that dramatic fashion with the touchdown and then
Speaker 1: the point after the game had already swung six different times,
Speaker 1: and then there were real quickly we have to go
Speaker 1: through this. There were four separate, uh, game turning moments.
Speaker 1: So they go down the field, including converting a fourth
Speaker 1: and long near bi field. UH. They run a very
Speaker 1: strange I don't know if it was a busted play
Speaker 1: or the same typical kind of route twice where they
Speaker 1: bunched two receivers and then kind of through almost like
Speaker 1: a hell. Mary Carr puts it on the money, UH,
Speaker 1: and Jared Cook brings it in. It looks like they
Speaker 1: won the game. He's marked down correctly at the half
Speaker 1: yard line upon review. UH. Next play and that play
Speaker 1: just for a second, I mean, Cook, that was an
Speaker 1: unbelievable catch. It seems like Cook only makes like steven
Speaker 1: season saving catches. He did it for the Packers to
Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys. He did it on that fourth and
Speaker 1: eleven midway through the that drive, which kept their season going.
Speaker 1: And then this was justin a remarkable play that was
Speaker 1: correctly you know, marked down at the half yard land
Speaker 1: as you mentioned. And then suddenly there's only eight seconds left,
Speaker 1: right and there was eighteen and then it gets marked
Speaker 1: down the ten second runof because OKL didn't have any
Speaker 1: time out. So imagine if they got Detroit Lions in
Speaker 1: that spot it would have been horrible. Next play, Derek
Speaker 1: Carr targets Michael Crabtree game when he touchdown again, No,
Speaker 1: it's ruled offensive past interference. Now they're pushed back to
Speaker 1: the eleven and you think, oh, now they're screwed. They
Speaker 1: run another play with no time on the clock. Uh
Speaker 1: incomplete Uh caught out of bounds in the back of
Speaker 1: the ends of no defensive holding. The game goes on.
Speaker 1: They run another untime play again an incomplete passed, this
Speaker 1: one those Derek Cook's hands, but another defensive holding call.
Speaker 1: And then finally Derek Carr takes the snap, um, moves
Speaker 1: to his left and puts a dart right on the
Speaker 1: money to crab Tree. You crashes down in the front
Speaker 1: corner of the end zone. A perfect throw and a
Speaker 1: great catch, and then to Vecchio hits the extra point,
Speaker 1: which is a little close for comfort. Uh. Game over
Speaker 1: thirty one thirty and the Raiders. Uh, we talked about
Speaker 1: this Greg going into this game, how important this game.
Speaker 1: They're three and four. Now the case Chiefs are still okay,
Speaker 1: they are five and no, now they're five and two.
Speaker 1: I think they could have put the Raiders away and
Speaker 1: now you know they'll survive this. But the Raiders needed
Speaker 1: this and they got it. And I'm really impressed. I
Speaker 1: I am. It was. It's a devastate being loss for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I think there's no right now, I am.
Speaker 1: And the good thing is all those calls were correct.
Speaker 1: Certainly the ones against the Chiefs were correct. I think
Speaker 1: the crab Tree call maybe they should have won the game,
Speaker 1: but it would have, you know, ended some drama even earlier.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad. And Derek Carr made a really interesting
Speaker 1: point on the NFL Network set after the game that
Speaker 1: they had practiced that play over and over, the two
Speaker 1: of them all week, except it was a sprint, right.
Speaker 1: But you know who's on the right side of the
Speaker 1: Chiefs defense, Marcus Peters, who they did go to a
Speaker 1: couple of plays before. But that's that's their money cornerback.
Speaker 1: And he he asked the coach, no, let's let's run
Speaker 1: it to the left. Let's just flip it. Let's run
Speaker 1: it to the left, until he got Crabtree on Terrence Mitchell.
Speaker 1: I think it's really telling in those two plays on
Speaker 1: the goal line with the season on the line, he's
Speaker 1: trusting Michael Crabtree, maybe not a Mari Cooper in that spot.
Speaker 1: They're looking to the veteran Crabtree to make the play
Speaker 1: for him and he does it. What a moment. Crat
Speaker 1: wins the game. He had three catches including the game
Speaker 1: or Mark Cooper Welcome to the NFL in two thousand,
Speaker 1: seventeen eleven for two ten and two scores and at
Speaker 1: three killer drops. He could have closed in on three
Speaker 1: yard game if he played a perfect game. But who's
Speaker 1: going to complain when you go eleven for to ten
Speaker 1: and two. Uh. And finally, before we get out of here,
Speaker 1: we could talk about this game for an hour to
Speaker 1: be I mean, Marshall and Lynch got kicked out, talked
Speaker 1: about the Marshall Lynch Alex Smith had a touchdown that
Speaker 1: bounced off of defender's hands. I mean, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of crazy. Marshawn Lynch gets ejected and um in
Speaker 1: the midway through the second quarter for running onto the
Speaker 1: field after Marcus Peters had a late hit on Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: and then there was question because he's also real tight
Speaker 1: with Marcus Peters, who's an Oakland guy. Of what he
Speaker 1: was even running on the field about, was it to
Speaker 1: defend his quarterbackers? Was to help out Marcus Peters? I
Speaker 1: think it was to separate Dion Sanders. Theory was it
Speaker 1: was to separate everything and save his boy, Marcus Peters.
Speaker 1: That's what it appeared to be. It didn't look like
Speaker 1: you could dig into the din commentary on things. I
Speaker 1: don't something, but like anyway, So he he then grabs
Speaker 1: an official gets tossed from the game. We'll see how
Speaker 1: this all plays out. Initially, it was reported that he
Speaker 1: left the stadium. That was gonna be a major story tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but it turns out he was in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Omar Ruise of NFL Network had the shot in the
Speaker 1: locker rooms. Who beast one? Was there? A crazy game? Uh,
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable games. One of the craziest
Speaker 1: NFL games I've ever seen. So it really was. And
Speaker 1: the fact that that the stars all showed up. I
Speaker 1: think I don't think it should be lost that Khalil
Speaker 1: Mack makes a huge sack to get the ball back.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs, who are an offensive team, had the chance
Speaker 1: to win the game, to put the game away with
Speaker 1: two different drives late in the fourth quarter, and the
Speaker 1: Raiders defense, which has been terrible this year and wasn't
Speaker 1: really very good in this game, did get two key stops,
Speaker 1: including a three and out there at the end. You
Speaker 1: gotta give him some love. Given Derek Carr a chance
Speaker 1: to save this Raider season. We're gonna give the Raiders
Speaker 1: love we got. We gotta tell a sad story about
Speaker 1: Greg though. Well it was worth it. It was. I've
Speaker 1: given it up. Just keep losing these locks if we
Speaker 1: can get games like this, baby and Ladies and Gentlemen
Speaker 1: tracking at home. Yes, the old zuser did pick the
Speaker 1: Raiders to win the game, the only person in the room. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Enough of that, enough of that naval gazing. Let's move
Speaker 1: on and get to the rest of the week seven games.
Speaker 1: There's no way they're gonna be able to match this,
Speaker 1: but let's hope that they can even approach it. Let's
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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast
Speaker 1: presents to my Head and Shoulders. My name is Dan
Speaker 1: Hansis and I am joined by room filled with some heroes.
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler to my left, Greg Rosenthalt of my right.
Speaker 1: What's up boys? Happy Thursday? How are you? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Sounds like a happy Thursday coming from you, buddy. I
Speaker 1: like a little passive aggressiveness just to get the show going.
Speaker 1: Sprinkle it in like a little. We were very excited
Speaker 1: to appear on NFL network and they canceled it on
Speaker 1: us as we were sitting in our chairs, cameras hot.
Speaker 1: They just they bagged our second second straight week. So
Speaker 1: we are becoming kind of the Matt Damon to the
Speaker 1: NFL Networks Jimmy Kimmel. Right, Only that's a bit and
Speaker 1: this is a real thing. This is a flashy show
Speaker 1: of disrespect. And as Greg pointed out um earlier in
Speaker 1: the show, there was like a bit about suits that
Speaker 1: the people on the show that we got people that
Speaker 1: can afford suits. Yeah, they were going on about this
Speaker 1: guy's suit looks like this, and that guy's suit looks
Speaker 1: like that, and Greg, what were you thinking? And it
Speaker 1: was it was prescient. I was thinking, well, you know,
Speaker 1: that might they might not have time for us after
Speaker 1: all this suit talk. So I'm sure the viewers were like, well,
Speaker 1: we lost the podcast guys. But it good. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of viewers out there just like
Speaker 1: waiting waiting for us to come on. Baby. Look, I mean,
Speaker 1: Greg have some self respect. There were people that were waiting.
Speaker 1: We have a nice little audience, and people were excited.
Speaker 1: He you know, Greg would probably have been contacted over
Speaker 1: email from various fans, except that Greg's email has been
Speaker 1: short circuited because he is in a standoff with NFL
Speaker 1: Media's I T department over not completing you know, required
Speaker 1: training training that Dan and Mark and and West and
Speaker 1: others have diligently completed. It's not a standoff. I was
Speaker 1: unaware of all these training emails, you know, going out
Speaker 1: and uh yeah they shut off the email. Do you
Speaker 1: know who doesn't have to worry about that stuff? Like
Speaker 1: if you're Michael Irvin, you could blow off the the
Speaker 1: data software encryption warning, uh short videos. But if you're Greg,
Speaker 1: it's a little different. Thank you very much here with
Speaker 1: NFL dot COM's Greg Enthal dot com dot com dot com.
Speaker 1: I think in general Greg is has a really good
Speaker 1: career and a bright future ahead of him. But it's
Speaker 1: good to finally get that that seal of approval from dance.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't. It does feel like that these little
Speaker 1: slaps on the wrist that gets sent in your way specifically,
Speaker 1: that you can kind of connect the dots a little bit,
Speaker 1: that they are sending a message. Occasionally, I do not
Speaker 1: think this is sending a message. I have heard people
Speaker 1: all over the building that I've gotten uh similar uh
Speaker 1: in fractions in many areas because they wouldn't because they
Speaker 1: don't read every email that comes across that you gotta
Speaker 1: do a ten part in you know, we don't see that.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say how many people got blocked out
Speaker 1: of their email that were sent to camps and did
Speaker 1: live NFL network hits with other former pro football talent,
Speaker 1: got sent overseas for the London games and did live
Speaker 1: hits with Steve Washington for Into Big Ben, Like, how
Speaker 1: many other people are getting that treatment from you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little it's a little you know different, you're
Speaker 1: saying that, Yeah, there, it's a cast system scenario. They're
Speaker 1: putting you back into a certain cast all right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is the week seven preview episode. Of course, one
Speaker 1: game is already in the can the Chiefs and Raiders.
Speaker 1: You just heard Greg and I recap that, but we
Speaker 1: got a lot more to get to, so we should
Speaker 1: not delay anymore unless we want to do a little
Speaker 1: suit talk. But we don't want to do that. No
Speaker 1: need to boil the ocean with the suits. Let's get
Speaker 1: into the game. Sounds like a good idea. Let's do it, okay,
Speaker 1: let's start. Ladies and gentlemen listening at home, and men
Speaker 1: behind the glass and Lindsay Fulton, who's a woman. There's
Speaker 1: no men behind the glass today? Is that true that
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Speaker 1: the men and the women that we do well. We're
Speaker 1: getting there. We're getting there. Very happy to have Lindsay
Speaker 1: aboard again as a full time Uh. Prettys are very
Speaker 1: exciting times for the show. Let's get into the first
Speaker 1: game marks. Also the Tampa Bay Buccaneers traveling to Orchard
Speaker 1: Park to face the Bills. And this is an interesting
Speaker 1: game mark because, first of all, we don't know for
Speaker 1: sure as of taping time if Jamis Winston's playing, but
Speaker 1: he's scheduled to be practicing on Friday. That feels like
Speaker 1: a good sign. So let's kind of work under the
Speaker 1: assumption that he probably will start. But you could see
Speaker 1: fits magic. But there's problems here. The Bucks who were
Speaker 1: a preseason darling two and three, and now they go
Speaker 1: to Buffalo to play Bills team that is three and
Speaker 1: two coming off a bye, so they're fresh and they
Speaker 1: are genuinely frisky on defense. Yeah, this is one of
Speaker 1: those games that all those off season shows they appear
Speaker 1: on our network too, that go through the schedule and say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's it's it's me, let's try to predict what happens. Oh,
Speaker 1: and the Bills are gonna be an easy out, so
Speaker 1: chuck that up as a w for the Bills opponents.
Speaker 1: Not at all. This is a dangerous game for the Bucks,
Speaker 1: who are two and three and play the Panthers and
Speaker 1: Saints after this. The Bucks team you want to talk
Speaker 1: about coaching dealing with Arizona last week, They weren't ready
Speaker 1: for Adrian Peterson. They weren't ready for anything, completely caught
Speaker 1: off guard and massacred in the first half and couldn't
Speaker 1: do enough to get back in it in the second.
Speaker 1: And the Bill's defense is legitimate. It's crazy this a
Speaker 1: FC East was dismissed outside of New England. It's New
Speaker 1: England's defense that's up a piece of junk right now,
Speaker 1: the Jets, Dolphins, and Bills all sporting better defenses, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of that was aggressive. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Bills are favored in this game. I would imagine
Speaker 1: at this point the Buccaneers get a lot of focus
Speaker 1: for Jamis Winston in the offense not being quite as
Speaker 1: good as we expected. And we'll find out if Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston plays in this game. He is gonna fully uh
Speaker 1: practice on Friday, which is a good sign after missing
Speaker 1: those two days of practices. But whether it's Tim or Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the offense that gave up three touchdowns right
Speaker 1: quick order. I mean they had had two offensive series
Speaker 1: when Jamis Winston got back on the field with an injury,
Speaker 1: and the score was twenty one nothing. So if you've
Speaker 1: had two offensive series and you didn't score but they
Speaker 1: moved the ball up, you expected to be about three nothing,
Speaker 1: seven nothing, maybe nothing. That thing's twenty one nothing. The
Speaker 1: game's over. And it was something I talked about way
Speaker 1: back in the off season. It got me in trouble
Speaker 1: um with Brent Grimes. Is this what you call the Panthers? Now?
Speaker 1: This was this was the Buccaneers. Second, what I said
Speaker 1: was this secondary is very thin, counting on Brent Grimes
Speaker 1: to be that good again at his age, and then
Speaker 1: nothing behind him is troubling. Now, Brent Grimes has been
Speaker 1: that good at this age. He's having a great season,
Speaker 1: but the rest of the secondary is a nightmare. It's
Speaker 1: not like Carson Palmer was making tough throws last week.
Speaker 1: Guys were opened by ten fifteen yards. Mike Smith, who
Speaker 1: I was a little worried about watching on All or Nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seemed like he was a candidate to
Speaker 1: be one of those coaches that has to take a
Speaker 1: leave because he's too stressed. I mean, he just seems
Speaker 1: a little too stressed out when he was you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like like a worrisome I think he's
Speaker 1: pretty stressed. Right. Do you take anything from tam Abey
Speaker 1: in the second half of that Cardinals game shutting down
Speaker 1: Arizona finally, I mean, I don't know. I mean that's
Speaker 1: the way the game out um and the Bill's defense.
Speaker 1: To the point when I set it up with you, Mark,
Speaker 1: is that uh. I got this from the NFL Media
Speaker 1: Research Notes, which ah great work, and you can check
Speaker 1: out the Wednesday piece on the end around. They are
Speaker 1: first and points per game, their second passer rating allowed,
Speaker 1: their fourth and takeaways per game. They are first and
Speaker 1: touchdowns allowed per game, and their second in opposition red
Speaker 1: zone touchdown percentage. UH. This is the best Bills defense
Speaker 1: right now since which is also the last time they
Speaker 1: won UH ten games, by the way, and last time
Speaker 1: they made the playoffs. So it could be a tough
Speaker 1: situation for the Bucks, who have not gotten their act
Speaker 1: together yet. Let's move on and talk about the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 1: who are traveling to Chicago to face the Bears. The
Speaker 1: Panthers have a you know, a little extra time to
Speaker 1: get healthy after playing Thursday night UH and losing to
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Luke kik Ley suffered a concussion in that game,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if he gets cleared in time to
Speaker 1: play in this game. And then you have a Bears
Speaker 1: team start number three Greg for Mitch Drabinsky. Well, let's
Speaker 1: let's start using Mitchell Drabinsky a little more. I know
Speaker 1: they're protecting him, UH, but last week they almost seemed
Speaker 1: afraid to use him, and I don't think you need
Speaker 1: to go that far. I think this is a game
Speaker 1: though that now the Bears look at is Kelvin Benjamin
Speaker 1: gonna play in this game? It's it sounds like there's
Speaker 1: a decent chance he doesn't. And so when you take
Speaker 1: away Kelvin Benjamin from a team that has had zero
Speaker 1: running game over the last two weeks, they've essentially turned
Speaker 1: into a passing team. And I think you saw some
Speaker 1: of the limitations in that against the Eagles. Maybe the
Speaker 1: Bears think we don't need to pass. This is another
Speaker 1: game that we can keep close without throwing the ball
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, they ran the ball fifty four times.
Speaker 1: The one thing that concerned me with Mitchell Trobinsky and
Speaker 1: it's it's not on him because you I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned this one play Greg on Sunday Night where the
Speaker 1: snap went shot over his head and the athleticism and
Speaker 1: his you know where with all to get the ball
Speaker 1: out it was in the end zone, it would have
Speaker 1: been a safety or potentially even a touchdown. Great moved
Speaker 1: by him. But there was a lot of action with
Speaker 1: Baltimore where they were effective, getting right up through the
Speaker 1: heart of that offensive line and getting too trabissl on blitzes.
Speaker 1: And it's like, this is that matchup concerns me a
Speaker 1: lot with with Carolina's defense. They did blitz a lot
Speaker 1: in the past. They weren't a team that normally did,
Speaker 1: but they did quite a bit on Philadelphia, and they've
Speaker 1: got the talent to do it. You try to scramble
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback, and Cam Newton came down to earth.
Speaker 1: He got scorching hot there leading into that Thursday night
Speaker 1: game and then I thought played a pretty bad game,
Speaker 1: very sloppy um And now we get to see him again.
Speaker 1: The Bears defense isn't that bad at least statistically this season,
Speaker 1: ranks sixth overall, and I want to see what happens
Speaker 1: if Cam Newton is stuck in a situation again like
Speaker 1: it was last week where they have nobody moving the
Speaker 1: ball at the running back position and it's all on
Speaker 1: Cam again. They gotta find a way to move the
Speaker 1: ball on the ground. This Bears team is gonna I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be a tough out in general. I
Speaker 1: know they're you know, starting Tray McBride and Tanner gent
Speaker 1: Gentry at wide receiver, so there's some limitations, but I
Speaker 1: think it's a very good offensive line. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: they've been blowing open holes for their running backs. For
Speaker 1: the most part, they passed protected well, it's really was
Speaker 1: the blitzes and the running backs and the tight ends
Speaker 1: that we're getting trabisky in trouble. This is a dangerous
Speaker 1: game for for Carolina. I think I think the Bears
Speaker 1: are pretty frisky. John Fox, well, there are another team
Speaker 1: that you look at that people had left for dead
Speaker 1: in August and it's not the case. Yeah, they're putting
Speaker 1: up a fight. I don't know if we'll be enough
Speaker 1: to save John Fox's job. He's gonna have to win
Speaker 1: some games. But yeah, I keep an eye on the Panthers,
Speaker 1: who had thirty two yards of rushing in the last
Speaker 1: two weeks combined from their running backs. I am sure
Speaker 1: that they use that extra time to work on this
Speaker 1: running game because they that that has to be driving
Speaker 1: round rivera crazy moving on. The Tennessee Titoons are coming
Speaker 1: off a Monday Night win over the Colts where they
Speaker 1: got it going on offense a little bit, scored over
Speaker 1: thirty points. Marcus Mariota was limited with the leg injury,
Speaker 1: but still passed the ball very well. And now they
Speaker 1: get the Cleveland Browns, who, of course are O and six,
Speaker 1: not even compared it of uh most weeks. So it
Speaker 1: feels like a good spot for the Titans um Mark,
Speaker 1: who get to go into their by after this, which
Speaker 1: sets them up to let Mariota get healthy. All they
Speaker 1: gotta do is take care of business against Yeah Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tennessee are the Titoons. I don't know what we're calling
Speaker 1: Cleveland at this point, because the Browns actually kind of fits.
Speaker 1: That's already it's already packed in there. I guess it's
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I watching Cleveland and kind of they're
Speaker 1: just they're They're tough to deal with week to week
Speaker 1: on game pass. But I feel like two of the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that really took them to town, Deshaun Watson last
Speaker 1: week and Jacoby Brissette had a field against them, throwing
Speaker 1: the ball but also running. I don't think that Greg
Speaker 1: Williams in this defense, which has in games or at
Speaker 1: least for for portions of games, looked different than previous
Speaker 1: Brown's defenses, and it just hasn't altogether been there. But
Speaker 1: they don't seem to do well against mobile quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: I think that this is a good matchup for Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariota and it's just flat out a much better team.
Speaker 1: I mean, is he going to be a mobile quarterback?
Speaker 1: Though that's the other part to this. We'll have to see.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but even through the air, Cleveland secondary
Speaker 1: has had this all sorts of issues. You're Bill Pepper's.
Speaker 1: Pepper's is a great athlete, but I don't think they've
Speaker 1: quite figured out how to use him in that. They're
Speaker 1: an easy defense to prepare for. I think there is
Speaker 1: a next gen stats that you know, they blitzed I
Speaker 1: think the least of any I don't even know if
Speaker 1: that's the next gen stat Does that count? You know,
Speaker 1: there the next gen stats rights holders might come after
Speaker 1: me for that. Enough blitzing really counts. But they don't
Speaker 1: blitz much. Yeah, most of their stats are about going
Speaker 1: on that. No, that's being disrespectful. I'm sorry they I
Speaker 1: think they blitzed less than any team in the entire
Speaker 1: Cleveland NFL Cleveland. So, but they're an easy team to
Speaker 1: prepare for, and you would think this is a week Mariota.
Speaker 1: I really doubt he's gonna be able to run at all,
Speaker 1: based on what we saw the other night, and he
Speaker 1: showed that maybe doesn't really need to. Yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only the only bright spot if you
Speaker 1: want to talk about pastors. Miles Garrett over two games
Speaker 1: has absolutely looked like the real deal. But you get
Speaker 1: this week, you have Taylor Lawan Jack Conklin. It's a
Speaker 1: tough offensive line to I would consider benching DeMarco Murray
Speaker 1: for this game. He has not looked right the entire season.
Speaker 1: You gotta buy coming up, You're facing the Browns. You've
Speaker 1: got a great back up in Derrick Henry. Why not
Speaker 1: just sit him? And I'm also saying, before we get
Speaker 1: out of here, this is a game that the Browns
Speaker 1: could win. You get Kaiser on the We haven't even
Speaker 1: mentioned Sean Kaiser starting this game. He's back in the
Speaker 1: starting lineup. The Titans are one of the worst pass rushers,
Speaker 1: one of the worst defenses. Kaiser has not had time.
Speaker 1: If ever, there's a game where he has some time
Speaker 1: to throw the ball. This is it. You're facing a
Speaker 1: limited quarterback. I'm just saying the Titans are the question.
Speaker 1: But yes, a little too much brown stock. Alright, well
Speaker 1: win a game and then sorry, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I think I came with a little too strong last week.
Speaker 1: But and Greg, you set it downstairs last a little
Speaker 1: annoyed by how bad the Browns are. I believe me,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Let's move on the New Orleans Saints. Uh,
Speaker 1: now hit the road riding a three game winning streak
Speaker 1: and face the Green Bay Packers. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about good timing the Packers Without Aaron Rodgers, you couldn't
Speaker 1: be in a better situation. Uh if you were the
Speaker 1: Saints and Sean Payton and the Saints defense that is
Speaker 1: riding high all of a sudden and Drew Brees is
Speaker 1: just as good as ever. And it goes back to
Speaker 1: that old thing with the Saints. If you just have
Speaker 1: an okay defense and Drew Brees, you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: But there's been the defense has been better than okay,
Speaker 1: Greg the last three weeks, last few weeks they have
Speaker 1: been I mean they have. It's only six weeks, so
Speaker 1: I we get a little ahead of this, but so
Speaker 1: far through six weeks, Cam Jordan's would be in my
Speaker 1: top five or so for defensive players of the year.
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lattimore, I think it reminds me a different sort
Speaker 1: of cornerback. But like Jalen Ramsey, a rookie cornerback who
Speaker 1: is coming out and making an instant impact where you think, wow,
Speaker 1: this guy could be an elite top five guy for
Speaker 1: a long time. I hope we're not getting ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 1: And then you've got an offense which reminds me a
Speaker 1: little bit of the Cowboys U in the year that
Speaker 1: they controlled the ball so well with Tony Romo and
Speaker 1: last year Drew Brees is not lading up this year.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a ball control. Let's keep short passing,
Speaker 1: let's run the ball, let's possess it, keep our defense
Speaker 1: off the field. Maybe the defense can make some big plays.
Speaker 1: It's a nice little recipe they got going. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: at their defense extends to watching that game against the Lions,
Speaker 1: guys like Alex Okaffer, Craig Robertson. They are aggressive, they're
Speaker 1: stopping the run. They made life absolutely miserable for Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford and I just I can't remember the last time
Speaker 1: I would go watch a Saints game and it's the defense.
Speaker 1: You come away thinking, this is why they have a
Speaker 1: real chance in the NFC. If you look at their
Speaker 1: numbers through two weeks, they were last or next the
Speaker 1: last in almost every relevant UH statistical measure for defense,
Speaker 1: and now they're basically in the top five in the
Speaker 1: last three weeks, and again very small sample size, but
Speaker 1: and and the schedules kind of played to their their liking,
Speaker 1: and even this game is gonna play into their hands
Speaker 1: unless Hunley breaks out and we should get to Huntley.
Speaker 1: But the Saints, there's reason to be a little bit
Speaker 1: excited and wide open NFC. It made a huge difference
Speaker 1: by the way that they got left tackle to our
Speaker 1: armstead back last week. That is an all Pro and
Speaker 1: it suddenly kind of stabilized the whole team. We are
Speaker 1: what are we thinking about Hunley in his first start?
Speaker 1: Do we think he can do something here? Well? I
Speaker 1: want to wipe away kind of everything that we saw
Speaker 1: last week because a week of preparation and practice could help.
Speaker 1: I actually think Hunley is going to be serviceable, I
Speaker 1: really do. The one thing that I see a difference,
Speaker 1: such a drop off from Aaron Rodgers was last week
Speaker 1: there were a couple of sacks and hits he took
Speaker 1: where it just never would have happened Eric Honley. It
Speaker 1: never would have happened Aaron Rodgers. His ability to kind
Speaker 1: of see behind him and to extend plays Hunley, you
Speaker 1: just it takes a while, if if ever, and they
Speaker 1: kind of see that way through the kitchen sink a
Speaker 1: him Mike Zimmer and I would expect Dennis Owen and
Speaker 1: the Saints to do the same in terms of just
Speaker 1: really shown him a lot of crazy pressures. But he
Speaker 1: made a few nice passes and we always here. And
Speaker 1: I've been saying this to Ted Thompson, great general manage,
Speaker 1: a great eye for town, nice dry It's kind of
Speaker 1: like Apovich type, right, common yea common answer, you know,
Speaker 1: when you say, like, who are three guys in the
Speaker 1: world I'd want to have dinner with? Ted Thompson comes
Speaker 1: up quite a bit. Zack Morris, Right, that's the body
Speaker 1: that's a weird con continues to uh to creep us
Speaker 1: out just just a little bit. Dan, Yeah, because in
Speaker 1: the way it's kind of saying I want to return.
Speaker 1: This is, of course, is if you haven't listened, Dan,
Speaker 1: if you could choose anybody in the world would want
Speaker 1: high school version of Zack Morris. Well, let's clarify. September October,
Speaker 1: Mark Paul Gospel, who played before. When I'm like saying, like,
Speaker 1: I want to return to my high school days too,
Speaker 1: I don't know, so well, then you would be in
Speaker 1: a largely successful acid rock group. Then you'd be wearing
Speaker 1: black makeup and and long hair, and it would be
Speaker 1: a different time for you. Again, it would be it
Speaker 1: would be a different time by everyone getting on me
Speaker 1: about the underage aspect of it, which he's not. He's
Speaker 1: definitely legal, Zach Morris. At that stage, Connie Fox says
Speaker 1: Jazz and I looked it up Jasmine from that Disney
Speaker 1: movie fifteen years old, so, you know, throwing it out
Speaker 1: there and she can't defend herself. I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: She does not get off Scott Free. She in fact
Speaker 1: has gone somewhere even darker than you. You know who
Speaker 1: doesn't get up Scott Free. I forgot what I what
Speaker 1: let us into this. We hear a lot about Ted Thompson.
Speaker 1: We hear a lot this point completely necessary, it's totally necessary.
Speaker 1: We hear a lot of Mike McCarthy and offensive mine.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's see it. This is a test
Speaker 1: that like, let's see the other players that Ted Thompson
Speaker 1: has brought into this organization, Kenny Clark and Mike Danielson.
Speaker 1: Everyone on this team needs to step up. If Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is a great offensive mine. Make it work with
Speaker 1: Brett Hunley that that would prove, that would prove their
Speaker 1: bona fide. Who do you got in this game? Mark?
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm just curious. It's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go New Orleans come back when no. By
Speaker 1: the way, I did uh throw out a theory before
Speaker 1: we move on to the next game. I'll just throw
Speaker 1: hits her up. QB hits are up in the last
Speaker 1: ten years, it's been steadily rising. It's the worst possible
Speaker 1: situation for the NFL. I throw out a theory. Tell
Speaker 1: me how crazy this is? What if you brought I'm
Speaker 1: being serious, the red jersey, non contact jersey into real
Speaker 1: games for quarterbacks. But you have to figure out you
Speaker 1: have to hit one of these qualifiers. Okay, you win
Speaker 1: an m v P red jersey, have you earned multiple
Speaker 1: All Pro selections? You get a jersey. Have at least
Speaker 1: twelve years of NFL experienced time, get a red jersey.
Speaker 1: Protect those vital natural resources in the league. Well, if
Speaker 1: you have to earn it, that's a very interesting idea.
Speaker 1: But if you a it's it completely destroys competitive balance.
Speaker 1: But if you're someone who's tired of seeing Tom Brady
Speaker 1: thrive for a million years and you in the same
Speaker 1: two or three teams with these top tier quarterbacks. It's
Speaker 1: just going to extend that annoyance. Yeah, but it pays
Speaker 1: the bills, It keeps us employed. But quarterbacks keep the
Speaker 1: lights on. But how do you how do you develop?
Speaker 1: You know, younger stars if they're kind of have a
Speaker 1: bigger target on their back. I mean I don't have
Speaker 1: a bigger target. They're just vulnerable to me that I
Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, you know, Carson Wentz. Those
Speaker 1: guys are just as valuable. R Will Wilson has a
Speaker 1: red contact jersey. He's got a Super Bowl Okay, I
Speaker 1: think it's in general, just get it. You have to
Speaker 1: earn it. That adds the kind of level to it.
Speaker 1: It makes a guy even more valuable. How about this
Speaker 1: adding to that one more full the worst team in
Speaker 1: the league each year, the entire offense, where's a red
Speaker 1: contecture or they wear no pads, they get punished. It
Speaker 1: adds a little, It adds a little too much importance
Speaker 1: into the m v P and All Pro voting. Where
Speaker 1: that's Bobby Wagner gets an m v P vote, give
Speaker 1: me a break. Okay, let's move on. The Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 1: are three and three. Uh. They could not take care
Speaker 1: of business last week against the Rams, and now they
Speaker 1: travel to face the cults and uh, bad bad news
Speaker 1: for the Colts. Jake Brisket has done a nice job
Speaker 1: on balance with that team, um, especially considering when it
Speaker 1: came into the program right before the season began. He's
Speaker 1: done a nice job overall. But Andrew Luck got shut
Speaker 1: down in his um throwing and basically his ramping up
Speaker 1: his activity to try to make a comeback. And now
Speaker 1: we're in a situation here, guys where we don't know
Speaker 1: if we're going to see Andrew Luck at all. Feels
Speaker 1: like a very real possibility now that Andrew Luck season
Speaker 1: is over right, Yeah, and and I would say this,
Speaker 1: I think if anything, if there's any sort of residue
Speaker 1: off of the Jacoby Brissette's success, is that they're I
Speaker 1: don't know, is this a super Bowl team? There's no.
Speaker 1: You don't have to rush to bring Andrew Luck back.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I I really know not. In I
Speaker 1: question if he will even play this shop they keeps it. No, No,
Speaker 1: of course, I'll be playing. Of course he'll you know,
Speaker 1: we're not putting him on I R. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: getting closer to that being a reality. I I originally
Speaker 1: wrote down on this game, it's kind of like the
Speaker 1: does Andrew Luck Matter Bowl, because they're running out of
Speaker 1: games that I think they have a good chance to
Speaker 1: win there in since next week there and here this
Speaker 1: is a home game, it's a division opponent, Like each
Speaker 1: one of these wins gives a chance for Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: to matter. But now that he was shut down and
Speaker 1: he was at least a few weeks away already, you
Speaker 1: have to almost assume he's he's a month away. They
Speaker 1: have a week eleven by. I think you still play
Speaker 1: him if he's healthy enough to play and he's more
Speaker 1: than cleared. I don't care what the record is. I
Speaker 1: to me, it's like it's a it's a football team,
Speaker 1: and like you you see, you're very careful. But if
Speaker 1: he's a hundred percent ready to go, So Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: who is the future of the franchise. He's the face
Speaker 1: of the franchise. He's I believe, the highest paid player
Speaker 1: in the league, if not close. If they go into
Speaker 1: their buy at three and seven. We're gonna bring him
Speaker 1: out anyway for December, I think so for the this
Speaker 1: is one of those games that Jaguar I mean, they've
Speaker 1: they've gotten lucky. I would bring him in. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not judging. I'm just like, I don't know. If
Speaker 1: I would, I would probably say to myself, this is
Speaker 1: already a lost year. Let's get this guy a pent
Speaker 1: for the off season program next year. The Jaguars have
Speaker 1: to be pumped to get this matchup up right now.
Speaker 1: I mean they can. Every win that they get that
Speaker 1: they get a little more of a feeling that they matter.
Speaker 1: They're not used to being so relevant and near five
Speaker 1: at this stage of the season. But just watching them,
Speaker 1: it makes me even more annoyed about the whole Blake
Speaker 1: Border's decision in the off season. It's almost like they're
Speaker 1: winning has insulated them from criticism of what they did
Speaker 1: at quarterback. But if anything, it makes me more annoyed
Speaker 1: because this a f C South is there for the
Speaker 1: taking and if they had just done anything at quarterback,
Speaker 1: this is a team that could go to the playoffs
Speaker 1: and that would mean a lot for this franch That said,
Speaker 1: I know a few Jaguars fans and I think there
Speaker 1: are got to be top three in the last you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen years of just pure suffering and feeling like constantly
Speaker 1: being ripped on. I look at this season. Every year
Speaker 1: get a team like this that does this, they're kind
Speaker 1: of learning how to win. They flip flop wins and losses,
Speaker 1: and when they do things well. The Jaguars do things
Speaker 1: very well on defense to playoff defense, I think so too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something what We're gonna start to
Speaker 1: build momentum. We're gonna get out of this just flip
Speaker 1: flopping wins and losses, gonna win this week. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go into your body. We can. You're gonna take it
Speaker 1: to the Bengals two weeks now. I'm locking it up. Okay,
Speaker 1: not fearless, but okay. I think it's an underwhelming response.
Speaker 1: They're on the road. It's a road game that we
Speaker 1: that listened by, a road game with a quarterback that
Speaker 1: nobody buys. Now that you definitely you're expecting the room.
Speaker 1: You're expecting the room. Are they gonna need to come
Speaker 1: back to do it? No? No, let's move on. Talk
Speaker 1: about the Arizona Cardinals and Los Angeles Rams, not an
Speaker 1: interesting matchup because people are flying high now um about
Speaker 1: the Cards because Adrian Peterson came to town and made
Speaker 1: them look like a totally different unit. And so now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're five. Despite as bad as
Speaker 1: they've been. We talked about how they were the worst
Speaker 1: two and two team in the league. They're not three
Speaker 1: and three. They're still okay, and they they probably have
Speaker 1: a lot more confidence now they go to face the
Speaker 1: Rams on the road, A big, big game here, Mark four.
Speaker 1: Both teams, but especially of the Cardinals, who could build
Speaker 1: off that game. Yeah, they're They're one of the most
Speaker 1: intriguing teams heading into this week because their identity completely
Speaker 1: changed last Sunday, and and the Rams are a team
Speaker 1: that you can you can run on. I mean they
Speaker 1: They've got absolutely taken to town by the Redskins and
Speaker 1: Dallas Jacksonville ran on the Rams. So it's a it's
Speaker 1: if if. If the script plays as it did last
Speaker 1: week for Arizona, it's a nice set up for them.
Speaker 1: I feel like I look at this Rams team though,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's the team Bruce arians would
Speaker 1: love to have right now. A lot of elements in
Speaker 1: place that he would and it's it's this is the
Speaker 1: game of the week. To me, this is fascinating. Well, London,
Speaker 1: you know, not finally, but it's nice to see London
Speaker 1: get such an intriguing game. They get Adrian Peterson for
Speaker 1: the second time this year, except this time he's coming
Speaker 1: into the game with juice. I don't need to right,
Speaker 1: I don't need to see I don't need to see
Speaker 1: more to to think that he's for real. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna block well for him, if the
Speaker 1: offense is gonna be good. But he's making people miss
Speaker 1: last week, he's showing vision. He's running people over like that.
Speaker 1: It's not you can trust what you see. He's got
Speaker 1: the juice, Danny, Okay, I like the juice. I like
Speaker 1: the juice squeeze in the Jets and players older than
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, I know how to coach all guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: they are the they're the the oldest team in the league,
Speaker 1: basically playing one of the youngest, the Cardinals. The Cardinals,
Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry over the rom over Sean McVeigh that
Speaker 1: you kind of had a senior moment there didn't this
Speaker 1: guy in the room, I'd be a little worried if
Speaker 1: I'm the Rams about some of the offensive struggles the
Speaker 1: last two weeks go away. How about both of you
Speaker 1: leave the room. Yeah? Is it hard for you because
Speaker 1: because West, you know, our our good buddy Chris Wesley
Speaker 1: not here for this show. Um, you guys are closer
Speaker 1: in age, and Dan and I are so much younger.
Speaker 1: Like does that. I spend a lot of time, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know watching over a seven and six year old
Speaker 1: at home, and the dynamic is no different here. I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna go Yeah, I got a six
Speaker 1: and a seven year old in keeps me young man.
Speaker 1: You know they they show aspects of maturity that the
Speaker 1: two of you could big point. Hey, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: By the way, in case people forgot the Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Rams are the team of a t L and uh
Speaker 1: forget about the Cardinals. Everybody calmed down one game all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Now they're great. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna disrespect him, and I'm gonna stand by the Rams,
Speaker 1: even though I've seen some things that I don't love
Speaker 1: about Jared Goffe the last couple of weeks. I love
Speaker 1: that the defense again, uh balled out and took over
Speaker 1: that game last week. And that's why, gentlemen, you gotta
Speaker 1: get behind the team of a t L. I am
Speaker 1: looking at up lock up them Rams a vaguely respectful
Speaker 1: move by you. Aaron Donald has been an absolute nightmare
Speaker 1: in the last few weeks. I mean, just playing at
Speaker 1: at a level as well as he has ever played.
Speaker 1: And I think they need to win games in that
Speaker 1: that different sort of way. They've only scored twenty three
Speaker 1: points on offense last two weeks. In other word, skip
Speaker 1: training camp. Whether you are in the league or cover
Speaker 1: the league, you know what, I trust, son of bum
Speaker 1: to scheme something up to confuse old man Palmer and
Speaker 1: have Adrian Peterson running into the line over and over again.
Speaker 1: Like a little concerned about Sammy Watkins at this point,
Speaker 1: I like I'm starting to wonder does he get a
Speaker 1: long term contract there? Like he is their third receiver
Speaker 1: right now behind Woods and cup Let's move on a
Speaker 1: f C East rematch. Only week seven, but the Jets
Speaker 1: and Dolphins are closing out their home and home. The Jets,
Speaker 1: of course, back in Week three, dominated Dolphins. It was
Speaker 1: twenty nothing until the last play of the game, a
Speaker 1: twenty six Jet win that put them on a three
Speaker 1: game winning streak, got them going toward that. But now
Speaker 1: they're coming off a loss of tough loss of the Patriots.
Speaker 1: They got jobbed by the NFL rule book. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. They probably would have lost the game anyway. Also,
Speaker 1: but whatever, Moving on the Dolphins on the other side
Speaker 1: of the ball, Uh, feeling great. They've got to be
Speaker 1: feeling great, um Mark because excuse me, Greg, because what
Speaker 1: you have here is a team that was dead in
Speaker 1: the water against the defending NFC champions on the road
Speaker 1: and then they scored twenty straight points and win. What
Speaker 1: a bizarre game that was. They have to have real
Speaker 1: confidence when they're close late in games. They're close to
Speaker 1: setting the all time NFL record for winning one score
Speaker 1: games without losing one. I mean, and most levels that
Speaker 1: it just feels flukey, but it's what got them to
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. And I'm not saying their offense
Speaker 1: is gonna be great, but if their offense can just
Speaker 1: going into the year, wouldn't have been crazy to think
Speaker 1: they're the twentie best offense in the league. They have
Speaker 1: been so bad, so you know, with the Browns or
Speaker 1: any other team as one of the worst that if
Speaker 1: they could just get respectable, which they were for a half,
Speaker 1: it wasn't much to go off, then they could have
Speaker 1: a good team because the defense is playing so well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think of Keith Hans as your dad who grew
Speaker 1: up you know you were This is about the time
Speaker 1: you probably were stepping into your Jets fandom. But these
Speaker 1: old Jets Dolphins matchups would grace the cover of s
Speaker 1: I every time they have because they'd be these sort
Speaker 1: of fifty to forty four overtime shootouts with Dan Marino
Speaker 1: and Kenny O'Brien. What a totally different pair of teams.
Speaker 1: And Miami's defense is absolutely legitimately for real. And I
Speaker 1: think when you talk about their offense, Greg, like last
Speaker 1: week Jag I plugged back in and was an anchoring
Speaker 1: for someone that could count on. They It is so
Speaker 1: critical that that happens for they have any shot to
Speaker 1: score points. I definitely worry about a big j GI game, uh,
Speaker 1: in this matchup on the road. I think the Jets
Speaker 1: that are really nice job bottling up a GI the
Speaker 1: first time, and Jay Cutler looked about forty five years
Speaker 1: old in that game. I can't The Dolphins are hard
Speaker 1: team to make sense of because they were so bad
Speaker 1: in the first half of that game, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the um I don't want to take
Speaker 1: anything away from that comeback victory, but the Falcons just
Speaker 1: fell on their face also in that second half, just
Speaker 1: did everything wrong, whether it was turnovers or very similar
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, yeah, fumbles. It was just it
Speaker 1: was clear like they just were in their own heads.
Speaker 1: But lot to do with Miami though. Sure, no, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Hey, hey, Dolphins, respect, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: the Falcons did their Falcons thing again. So I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if I believe the Dolphins of the real deal.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think. I think the Jets are
Speaker 1: going to go in there and get a win. You
Speaker 1: in handsome hand, Kevin wags on this, No wagers, but
Speaker 1: I am in the kind of a war with his
Speaker 1: seven year old son. Yeah, so we're gonna we'll go
Speaker 1: back and forth. Well on in the NFL Pick Him Show,
Speaker 1: which everyone should check out on Saturday three different times.
Speaker 1: I believe go go for six, two and eleven Eastern.
Speaker 1: I believe that you can figure it out. Dave Damn
Speaker 1: a check showed the disrespect to the Jets by picking
Speaker 1: the Dolphins as his survivor pick. Just to me was
Speaker 1: completely bizarre because this Dolphins team is not trustworthy in
Speaker 1: that way, and you gotta give a little love to
Speaker 1: old John Morton. I think John Morton's name has ever
Speaker 1: been mentioned on American media yet outside in New York,
Speaker 1: where you better clarify who he is. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: who he is. He's the offensive coordinator of a team
Speaker 1: that's getting Josh McCown to make some plays and has
Speaker 1: turned Austin Safari and Jenkins into it. Must start right
Speaker 1: now in fantasy leagues. Lead in the NFL among tight
Speaker 1: ends and receptions since he's been back. He's a pretty
Speaker 1: good playmaker, like they are no Ka offense. He was
Speaker 1: doing a nice little job. I mean, this podcast, to
Speaker 1: your point, was always eyes wide open towards John Morton.
Speaker 1: Every every show we talked about him. Uh yeah. I
Speaker 1: think the Jets, if they could have run the ball
Speaker 1: against the Patriots, would have won that game. So if
Speaker 1: the Dolphins can shut down the running game the way
Speaker 1: the Patriots did, Josh mccount could be exposed. We'll see
Speaker 1: if they can do it. Hard to figure out the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: All right? Moving on? Oh who do you? Who do
Speaker 1: you got in the game? Mark in that game? I
Speaker 1: will take the Dolphins. Do you think they'll need to
Speaker 1: come back to do it? I think they will come back.
Speaker 1: Curls excess come bas Colonels Mark excess come Colonels with
Speaker 1: barks come back. Colonels with bars come back, colonels with
Speaker 1: bars sss come back, colonels with barccess come back. It
Speaker 1: could have been twenty seconds, potentially shorter, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you make it as long as you can, very
Speaker 1: like they might be giants. Vibe there. It was truly
Speaker 1: a colonel. All I said was yes, there was literally
Speaker 1: no one else's attached to it, and big Popcorn, I
Speaker 1: know you're out there listening that is currently unattached in
Speaker 1: terms of a sponsorship. That's where're right now. We're just
Speaker 1: having to create our own hits. I like them. Moving on,
Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens are three and three. Just lost to
Speaker 1: the Bears for Christ's sake. Now they traveled to Minnesota
Speaker 1: to face the Vikings. Of Vikings team that is gotta
Speaker 1: be all sorts of pumped up because now they look
Speaker 1: at the NFC NFC North Greg and they say, we
Speaker 1: can win this damn thing. They should have their rights
Speaker 1: far in this NFC. Why not, why not have some
Speaker 1: home playoff games? Why not have a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1: They could be the best defense in the league. Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus has them ranked as the best defense in
Speaker 1: the league. And they're doing it kind of in an
Speaker 1: old school way with continuity, not a lot of substitutions,
Speaker 1: not a lot of things that are gonna trick you.
Speaker 1: Of their eleven starters, all eleven have been with the
Speaker 1: team for at least three years, which is outrageous. They
Speaker 1: run the same two personnel groups for nine six percent
Speaker 1: of their play so guys aren't coming on and off
Speaker 1: the field. It's just the same eleven guys. And you
Speaker 1: have just guys being able to play fast right now.
Speaker 1: Xavier Rhads one of the best cornerbacks in the league,
Speaker 1: Harrison Smith, one of the best safety is Everson Griffin,
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive ends. You've got different makers
Speaker 1: at every level, and then you're facing a team like
Speaker 1: the Ravens and you kind of think it's game over.
Speaker 1: Like when the Ravens face a halfway decent defense, it's
Speaker 1: game over because unlike some of the bad offenses that
Speaker 1: has young players, they're old and depressant watch and they
Speaker 1: can't score on anyone. The Ravens are they're poorly built
Speaker 1: on right now, they're not any fun, and Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: is quietly having a disastrous season. And on the Vikings.
Speaker 1: To your point on defense, I love when you're Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 1: You're the old school defensive backs coach, defensive coordinator, when
Speaker 1: the identity of your team matches the talents of your
Speaker 1: head coach and why they hired him, and they truly do.
Speaker 1: But I also like this offense, which last year was
Speaker 1: impossible to watch. Adam Feeling is such a really reliable
Speaker 1: emerging wide receiver. And beyond emerging, he's obviously he's He's
Speaker 1: basically like a star player at this point, and we
Speaker 1: were just sort of discovering him last season. They were
Speaker 1: fine last week without Stefon Diggs for the most part.
Speaker 1: I think they missed him. They they were gonna miss him,
Speaker 1: but they got by. And Jerick McKinnon, who I did
Speaker 1: not think was an impressive player before this season, I
Speaker 1: think he's done a nice job stepping in for Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 1: He can catch the ball, he's fast. They They've got
Speaker 1: a lot going on on offense. Even with case keen
Speaker 1: and was starting. Who's gonna play the s week? It
Speaker 1: sounds like, can you imagine if Dalvin Cook was still
Speaker 1: on this team, you you would really I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying now they can't make a deep run in
Speaker 1: the playoffs or make the playoffs, but you get really
Speaker 1: excited about him. And I like also the idea of
Speaker 1: and I know case Keendom has done a nice jop.
Speaker 1: What gets me excited about a potential like special Viking
Speaker 1: season is if Teddy Bridgewater gets his shot and does
Speaker 1: some things and ends up being the guy that takes
Speaker 1: this team in the playoffs, then then you have a
Speaker 1: whole narrative, set up, an amazing comeback story, and you
Speaker 1: got the super Bowl in Minneapolis. That would be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I've seen, so it's very possible. We've
Speaker 1: seen Stefan Dick is one of the best receivers in
Speaker 1: the league. He didn't practice on Thursday. This offense was
Speaker 1: I thought more limited last week. Keenum did not have
Speaker 1: a great game overall, And if to me it's a
Speaker 1: coin flip game, I give Minnesota an edge because it's
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. If the Ravens defense is is it all
Speaker 1: special or that's kind of their identity. Go win a
Speaker 1: game against case Keenum, against a team that's missing their
Speaker 1: number one receiver and their number one running back. Go
Speaker 1: in a game Ravens defense, I have that. I could
Speaker 1: also see Minnesota hammering Baltimore in this game. I have
Speaker 1: a bit of a sessler here. I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: my Justin Tucker wins a game by himself game and
Speaker 1: he's been very quiet and has been his fault. The
Speaker 1: offense has been brutal. Had a nice little game last
Speaker 1: week in his first fifty yard or I think he's
Speaker 1: got a couple in him this week, and it might
Speaker 1: not take a lot of points to win this game.
Speaker 1: Come on, Justin, do it for me. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Here's what was the best best rivalry of the nineteen nineties?
Speaker 1: Uh now we not not the best rivalry of the
Speaker 1: What is this? Well, they don't meet in the playoffs
Speaker 1: like the teens. They probably only meet every three years period. Well,
Speaker 1: they used to every year in the regular season too.
Speaker 1: In the old days, it would be it was like
Speaker 1: the NFC title Dallas in San Francisco every year, thousand tens.
Speaker 1: I could call it the tens the TENSA. I do
Speaker 1: like odds. I like that odds caught on kind of
Speaker 1: big on the odds anyway, you don't even know they're
Speaker 1: ninety years to wait to get back into that frame
Speaker 1: of mind. Well, I enjoyed it, and I've enjoyed looking
Speaker 1: back on it using that word. The Cowboys are two
Speaker 1: and three coming out of there by, and the big
Speaker 1: news around the Cowboys the continual continued legal wrangling UH
Speaker 1: involving Zeke Elliott in his six game suspension. UM it
Speaker 1: is now once again it's been put back on hold
Speaker 1: UH this week at flip Flop over the last two
Speaker 1: weeks where the the suspicion suspension got put back into
Speaker 1: play and everyone started turning their attention to who's gonna
Speaker 1: be Alfred Morris, Darren McFadden, blah blah blah. But now
Speaker 1: he's back in the lineup. I can't even begin to
Speaker 1: snow or try to figure out. I don't even really
Speaker 1: want to when the when will be the next shoot
Speaker 1: to drop with us. But for the time being, Zeke's
Speaker 1: back in the lineup, and that's big UH for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: who need a win against the windless Niners. It sounds
Speaker 1: like he's safe for two more weeks, although there's been
Speaker 1: a report that a potential settlement could happen, so who knows.
Speaker 1: It's very which makes sense because I get a certain point.
Speaker 1: If the Cowboys really have aspirations about winning a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: they have to be careful to not let this thing
Speaker 1: back into the back end of the season, and potentially, well,
Speaker 1: right if it's if it happens after he plays two
Speaker 1: more games and knocks him out for six weeks, that
Speaker 1: takes him into the middle of December. So so you'd
Speaker 1: be in trouble. I mean, this is a game they
Speaker 1: should be able to win with anyone at running back.
Speaker 1: They can't blow this. And what was a little lost
Speaker 1: in their two game losing steak before the break was
Speaker 1: their offense was back. It was all the way back.
Speaker 1: I mean, they scored practically every possession against against the
Speaker 1: Packers and the Rams, they scored over thirty points in
Speaker 1: both of those games. They controlled the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a little different, more improvisational stuff from Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: but the the offense look great before they went on
Speaker 1: thereby Yeah, and the Fortys have been sort of one
Speaker 1: of these anomalies with these super close games. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's no other team in the NFL, and I believe
Speaker 1: the history of NFL has done what they've done with
Speaker 1: these little two point losses and stuff week after week.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is where that all comes crashing down. I
Speaker 1: will say, I think I thought c J. Batard, you
Speaker 1: know the idea, you have to go in fresh and
Speaker 1: play an NFL game off the bench and do what
Speaker 1: he did. Showed much more chemistry than Hoyer did at
Speaker 1: the beginning of that game. I thought that guys like
Speaker 1: Pierre Garson Aldrick Robinson kind of came to life when
Speaker 1: he came in there. I don't know ultimately, once you
Speaker 1: get a tape on him, what we're gonna have. But
Speaker 1: not a bad not a bad player. From what I saw,
Speaker 1: it seems like a poor man's Hoyer or cut after
Speaker 1: wyer Man's Hoyer is is not a good scenario. I mean,
Speaker 1: if c J. Beathard has Brian Hoyer's career, makes the
Speaker 1: same amount of money, starts the same amount of games,
Speaker 1: I think that would be a big win for c. J. Beathard.
Speaker 1: I was I would just stick with him that, so
Speaker 1: I there's I like it. They're clearly going to go
Speaker 1: out in front another quarterback, but maybe this is your
Speaker 1: longest this is an easy matchup for him. But I
Speaker 1: was not that impressed. I mean, he's a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: What do you expect. He was very lucky not to
Speaker 1: have a couple of interceptions. And this defense, which we
Speaker 1: were kind of excited about, really doesn't have much juice
Speaker 1: right now. They lost Rick Armstead not for the season,
Speaker 1: which is a big loss. And um, Cowboys, if you're
Speaker 1: worth a dem go win this game. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear anything, and I don't want to two point
Speaker 1: win and give the Niners more misery. They've lost their
Speaker 1: last five games at thirteen point combined. Go go in
Speaker 1: there and win by a couple of scores and get
Speaker 1: back to fives back. So that's big for them. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. The Denver Broncos are coming off um
Speaker 1: a sit down be humble lost to New York Giants
Speaker 1: on Sunday night where they just look dreadful, uh and
Speaker 1: every facet of the game. And now they're gonna try
Speaker 1: to get back on track with a trip here to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to face the Chargers, who have finally figured
Speaker 1: out how to start winning uh some close games. Greg Rosenthal, Um,
Speaker 1: any concerns now about let's start with Team Trev, Greg,
Speaker 1: because you are the conductor here. You're shoveling the colon.
Speaker 1: Any concerns about Team trev, Let's start here. He's gonna
Speaker 1: go through ups and downs. He's definitely been erratic with
Speaker 1: his decisions. He didn't seem very act. He wasn't accurate
Speaker 1: last week, and he just seemed a little scrambled. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was what the Giants were showing him defensively. I
Speaker 1: don't think you should have those sort of problems this week.
Speaker 1: But they're a limited offense and that I don't really
Speaker 1: trust them to pass protect, and they're not deep at
Speaker 1: wide receiver. And you lose Emmanuel Sanders for this game.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a huge loss because it's just you're
Speaker 1: going to Benny Fowler and receivers that you really don't
Speaker 1: trust that much. So they got to be able to
Speaker 1: run the ball in this game. I mean, Joey Bosa,
Speaker 1: he's back all the way, he looked great last week.
Speaker 1: And Trevor Simmons is not the same guy when he's pressured.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that's where the mistakes start to come.
Speaker 1: And so I you can you can run on San Diego,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Los Angeles, if you're, if you're, if you're
Speaker 1: any opponent, basically week after week, But which C J.
Speaker 1: Anderson are we gonna get? I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: it's a week tweek proposition with him. This is and
Speaker 1: even though the Charges have won these last two games
Speaker 1: and they've showed a little bit of rhythm on offense,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I went away from those two
Speaker 1: games thinking like, oh, this is the Chargers team I
Speaker 1: expected to see, Like you, yeah, you're seeing Hunter Henry's
Speaker 1: finally get into mix. Hunter Henry is so unbelievably good.
Speaker 1: He needs to, I think, be a focal point of
Speaker 1: this offense. What took them so long? Though? That's a
Speaker 1: that's weird coaching in my book. His I mean, his
Speaker 1: boss skills and just his movement are incredible. But Mike Williams,
Speaker 1: their number one draft pick was back keenan out. They
Speaker 1: still have the pieces on paper. Dan, it's not over
Speaker 1: for this Chargers theme. I know you're you're always gonna
Speaker 1: say that because you love Phil rivers. Um. First thing,
Speaker 1: I want to see this team's oh and three at home,
Speaker 1: and you figure, oh, they're due to get a home
Speaker 1: win and this would be a really nice win. But
Speaker 1: this place is going to be filled with Broncos fan.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a coincidence they started winning
Speaker 1: on the road. I think it's a tough spot. And
Speaker 1: so I kind of like the I kind of like
Speaker 1: the Chargers in this game. Um, maybe it's just because
Speaker 1: how bad the Broncos looked on Sunday, But um, at
Speaker 1: the same time, I wonder if it plays head games
Speaker 1: with them, when that crowd is gonna be roaring and
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be wearing orange in the stands, how does
Speaker 1: it not affect me? What is the nature of home,
Speaker 1: of playing in your own stadium. Everything that's happening to
Speaker 1: them is against the nature of that, And I want
Speaker 1: to see what the Broncos defense. I mean, the most
Speaker 1: shocking aspect of that Broncos loss was the fact that
Speaker 1: Orleans dark wa is running all over them, Wayne Gallman's
Speaker 1: running all over them. So they were the best run
Speaker 1: defense in the league before, you know, getting gash of
Speaker 1: the Giants, which is shocking. Now you face Melvin Gordon,
Speaker 1: who's kind of getting getting it going. I mean, old
Speaker 1: spice Rack was apologizing for his Melvin Gordon take a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. I'm like, give it time. This guy
Speaker 1: six in the league and yards from scrimmage. Well and
Speaker 1: one lass again. We spent six months telling everyone the
Speaker 1: a f C West is by far the best division
Speaker 1: in football, nothing close. The Raiders are a mess. The
Speaker 1: Broncos are up and down. The Chargers are junk. Come on,
Speaker 1: it's a big game. They get back in, they win
Speaker 1: this game, and they're back in the mix. One last night.
Speaker 1: The Chargers aren't the No. One's struggling worse than the
Speaker 1: chart well, mother than the Browns. I guess Niners at home.
Speaker 1: Everyone's having issues, it seems because the league as a
Speaker 1: whole is at home this season. I know you were
Speaker 1: mentioning that that the baseball playoffs were showing such a
Speaker 1: different trend in terms of home field advantage, But I
Speaker 1: saw a stat last night that two years ago, I
Speaker 1: think home teams in the playoffs were sixteen and eighteen.
Speaker 1: So I think this stuff just normal base value. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that but that was your point that it was
Speaker 1: so different. Yeah, it would just happened that particular series.
Speaker 1: My Yankees are one game away from the panic. Greg.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're paying attention to that, probably not,
Speaker 1: but um, and I'm aware of the final scores. Evan
Speaker 1: been the you know watching it. The home team has
Speaker 1: won the first UM five games of the a LCS
Speaker 1: and the Yankees are six and over all at homes.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I like the Yankees. Let's move on and
Speaker 1: talk about the Seattle Seahawks and the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: And the Seahawks are coming out of there by their
Speaker 1: three and two, they're kind of a hard time team
Speaker 1: to figure out right now, but they do have two
Speaker 1: straight wins going into there. But the Giants, we just
Speaker 1: talked about it. They finally woke up and um got
Speaker 1: a big win on the road in Denver. Uh is
Speaker 1: it gonna save their season? Mark? What do you think? Well?
Speaker 1: I have an announcement. Yes, I am boycotting any discussion
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks Giants game. Why why? I will tell
Speaker 1: you why? No, Greg, because I do not respect the
Speaker 1: New York based franchise choosing to playfully adopt the nickname Giants.
Speaker 1: I get it for many using the name Giants is
Speaker 1: nothing more than a tag attached to various football and
Speaker 1: baseball teams across the country, and yet all the while
Speaker 1: it completely ignores the culture of ancient Samaria, which mingled
Speaker 1: not only with earth roaming and Anuki giant beans, but
Speaker 1: also cunning extraterrestrial cultures to mesh Palladian assertion and Eloheim
Speaker 1: deep space DNA strains with human beings, forever altering our
Speaker 1: genetic coding and an effect making us prisoners on Earth
Speaker 1: and subject to a silent, always watching big brother in
Speaker 1: the sky. At this point in time, we must come
Speaker 1: to grips with our disturbing ancient origins. Therefore, I am
Speaker 1: boycotting this New York First Seattle game discussion and hopes
Speaker 1: that listeners will comprehend our new human reality is. Is
Speaker 1: this what the Heating Light podcast is? I'm not discussing
Speaker 1: anything else during this segment. Oh oh, you're completely out
Speaker 1: on the segment. Okay, out, all right, we'll come back
Speaker 1: to you then, Greg, your thought about the Seahawks, Let's
Speaker 1: start with that. It's hard to pivot off of that
Speaker 1: because I'm wondering what happened to the last six years
Speaker 1: of podcast that we talked about the right, and then
Speaker 1: anybody who's wondering, oh, Mr Flame, he doesn't have an
Speaker 1: active role in the show, how will Mark go down
Speaker 1: those roads? Mark will find those ways. He will find
Speaker 1: his ways down those Dusty Rhodes. As as to answer
Speaker 1: your question about the Seahawks, I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: great matchup for them. I know, No, there's no reason
Speaker 1: we just talked about that to believe that the Giants
Speaker 1: would be able to run the ball last week. There's
Speaker 1: no reason that to believe that they'll be able to
Speaker 1: run the ball this week against Seattle. They're getting healthy,
Speaker 1: I think on defense. But it's slipped under the radar
Speaker 1: a little bit that Cliff April has been out for
Speaker 1: multiple weeks and then he went on injured reserve with
Speaker 1: a neck injury. He's considering retirement. I mean, Cliff April
Speaker 1: might be the number one most underrated Seahawk of this
Speaker 1: entire run. Like he could have won a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: MVP that year. Uh. He him and Bennett just kind
Speaker 1: of to me the guts of the thists and Bennett
Speaker 1: I don't feel like has been quite the same this year.
Speaker 1: In April's out for the year, so that that's a
Speaker 1: pretty big time concern. I'm a little if I'm a
Speaker 1: Seahawks fan, I'm a little bit nervous that I missed
Speaker 1: that wide open window with the Giants where they're falling
Speaker 1: over themselves and finding ways to lose games. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I know they still they don't have Odell Beckham, so
Speaker 1: they're not a real I mean, they are missing their
Speaker 1: entire receiver. Still a mess. But here's here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The defense, which has been a huge disappointment from most
Speaker 1: of the season, finally woke up in Denver. And if
Speaker 1: they have another good game. The Seahawks don't travel too well,
Speaker 1: especially the last couple of years. Would I be stunned
Speaker 1: if this game is ten seven one way or the
Speaker 1: other midway through the fourth quarter, not even a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I don't think this is an easy win for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks by any stretch. And I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised at all off the Giants. One know, if they
Speaker 1: can get Olivia Vernon back, JPP finally had a big game.
Speaker 1: I mean you would expect that this is a game
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is going to have to do his like
Speaker 1: out in a pocket crazy thing to to make some plays.
Speaker 1: One final thing on the Giants is just that the
Speaker 1: receiver's being gone is only gonna highlight Evan ingram more.
Speaker 1: But I didn't need the receivers to be gone to
Speaker 1: know that Evan ingram Is was a great pick and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a really good Giant for a long time.
Speaker 1: Seems like a home run right there. There you go. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's move on and now we welcome welcome Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: back to be around the NFL podcasts. Are doing buddy,
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I thought it was a little rude
Speaker 1: to smoke a cigarette, you know, while we were providing out. Well,
Speaker 1: it was my time, it was my personal time. Let's
Speaker 1: now move on and talk about This is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite games because I always like this matchup a
Speaker 1: bad blood. There will be blood. I like all that stuff.
Speaker 1: In the Cincinnati Bungals and the Pittsburgh Steelers. They don't
Speaker 1: like each other, and a lot of times everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: these guys, these two teams, they don't like each other.
Speaker 1: These teams literally don't like each other. In fact, in
Speaker 1: the past few years, there's no matchup that elicits more
Speaker 1: personal foul penalties, roughing the passer late hits, you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Munschak ripping a guy, dreads out concussions, running into tunnels,
Speaker 1: Bengals screaming at their television. Why did you do that?
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis? God? What was that? Mark? Well, Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: is an idiot that seems a little strong and our
Speaker 1: new media environment. Not sure that I want to be
Speaker 1: tagged to that comment, but I did say it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I love this game because I really the steal the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals have a great, great opportunity here to go
Speaker 1: into Pittsburgh and out of nowhere, go from oh and
Speaker 1: three to three and three and then be if things
Speaker 1: break the right way, mark a half game out in
Speaker 1: the NFC North before Halloween despite starting oh and three.
Speaker 1: This is a great opportunity. It is, and I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get it done. I I am so
Speaker 1: impressed with Pittsburgh's defense, and everyone talks about Ryan Schizier
Speaker 1: and they should, but I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 1: play because I don't think he practiced. But Vince Williams,
Speaker 1: their other inside linebacker, what a That is a star
Speaker 1: duo right there. Guys like Mike Hilton week after week
Speaker 1: keeps showing up on tape. They've got a lot. Finally
Speaker 1: they've got depth on defense, and they're punishing. You saw
Speaker 1: it against Kansas City, and I just don't like this
Speaker 1: scenario for Andy Dalton one bit. And it to me,
Speaker 1: it starts for them with Cam Hayward and Stefan to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were an Alex Smith's face literally on
Speaker 1: the first snap and then on the last snap, and
Speaker 1: those two guys who they've paid a lot of money
Speaker 1: to are, to me kind of the reason this defense
Speaker 1: is so good that guys a little bit towards the
Speaker 1: end of not towards the end of their career, but
Speaker 1: right in their primes, are playing the very best football
Speaker 1: they've ever played. I also looked at what Levi on
Speaker 1: Bell did last week. I know he's had bigger games
Speaker 1: numbers wise, but I don't know if I've ever seen
Speaker 1: him run as beautifully as he did last week. He
Speaker 1: had a major run called back with the most incredible
Speaker 1: run of the day was called back by penalty. But
Speaker 1: he is entirely rounded into shape again. I don't know
Speaker 1: what there was some some rustiness early on. It's gone
Speaker 1: mart Tavis Bryant, who reportedly asked for a trade, then
Speaker 1: said that never happened. But either way, he has not
Speaker 1: been a big part of this offense, which I think
Speaker 1: is surprised a lot of people. Um Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: he gets more snaps. He's getting more snaps, and he's
Speaker 1: been involved with them on a weekly week basis. I'm
Speaker 1: looking for Big Ben to continue to kind of come
Speaker 1: out from that that what is he called He's got
Speaker 1: the old cowboys, got a couple of shingles left something
Speaker 1: like that. What did he say it was about that?
Speaker 1: You know, he sold cowboys got a couple of shingles left.
Speaker 1: I think that was a Terry Bradshaw at uh. I
Speaker 1: think he'll play well, as I'm gonna say, and I
Speaker 1: think Roethlisberger um is not done and I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna play really well. I don't think Cincinnati gets this done.
Speaker 1: Let's pick this. So I do think the Steelers will
Speaker 1: take care of business. I think this is a tougher
Speaker 1: game for them. I mean, the Bengals are ranked third
Speaker 1: in Football Outsiders on defense and Levy on Bell played
Speaker 1: played great last week. But I think Ben Roethlisberger really
Speaker 1: didn't do anything different than what he's done all year.
Speaker 1: I kind of like the Bengals to get back in
Speaker 1: this division. Um. And one final note Mike Mitchell, who
Speaker 1: had a hit Alex Smith from behind. He intended he
Speaker 1: was pushed on a low hit on Alex Smith. This
Speaker 1: is when the going viral goes wrong. UM. I sent
Speaker 1: out a tweet during that game, like a slow motion
Speaker 1: replay that ended up being retweeted. Umtred times got six
Speaker 1: six thousand likes, which I would say, like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: way to be part of the conversation, bro, But it
Speaker 1: turned out I got caught in the middle of this
Speaker 1: like fierce war between Bengals fans and Steelers fans that
Speaker 1: went on to this day all week. My mentions are
Speaker 1: dead and then it started with everyone. I sent it
Speaker 1: out and I had an opinion when I put that's
Speaker 1: about his dirties against Mike Mitchell. Initially everyone agreed with me,
Speaker 1: and then the story started to evolve with Mitchell saying
Speaker 1: I was pushed, and then all the all the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: fans started like burying me for being like a piece
Speaker 1: of garbage and and like you're some journalists like bro,
Speaker 1: I just tweeted out a video with an opinion, not
Speaker 1: journal work anyway, So a little lesson. He did get fined,
Speaker 1: by the way, the league week for you, Dan, and
Speaker 1: we we recognized that the league decided that he was dirty.
Speaker 1: So anyone anyone arguing give me a break, he's like,
Speaker 1: he didn't get suspended, and check out his sizzle reel
Speaker 1: of pastor fractions. This guy is not the cleanest player. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Sunday Night football, the rematch of
Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty one. Mark Sessler and the Patriots are
Speaker 1: the home team, and the Falcons are going into this game.
Speaker 1: You wonder where their heads are at after an outright
Speaker 1: collapse in the second half at home against the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: losing that game seventeen after going into the half at
Speaker 1: seventeen nothing. Are the Patriots catching the Falcons at a
Speaker 1: moment of personal crisis? No, I mean, that's that seems
Speaker 1: like we're not going a little far there, But it's
Speaker 1: like so depressing I think for Falcons fans. Like some
Speaker 1: Super Bowl rematches, if you're if you're the loser and
Speaker 1: you're flying high the next season and you can go
Speaker 1: in and drop a bomb on the team that knocked
Speaker 1: you out in the Super Bowl, this Falcons team is
Speaker 1: coming off one of the most disgusting losses seventeen nothing
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins and the offense gets man handled in
Speaker 1: the second half. I don't know, you let Jake Cutler
Speaker 1: beat you. I mean, it's not a must win. That's
Speaker 1: a bit strong. But if they lose this game, it's
Speaker 1: been a really rough fourteen days. And how do you
Speaker 1: put last year? They say last year's behind you, but
Speaker 1: last year's team was defined by losing fourth quarter leads.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the Super Bowl. They lost the seventeen
Speaker 1: point fourth quarter leads to the Chargers. They lost four
Speaker 1: or fourth quarter leads. They lost a halftime leave at
Speaker 1: home this year to the Bills. So I think they
Speaker 1: gotta they gotta prove themselves just to get the questions away.
Speaker 1: This is such a big game for them. The Patriots
Speaker 1: cluse this game and people will be all fired up
Speaker 1: in Boston about it, But ultimately, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it matters that much in the long run. Totally different
Speaker 1: for Land, and it wouldn't It wouldn't shock me if
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, like I kind of put the over under
Speaker 1: in terms of Falcons points in this game at thirty seven,
Speaker 1: like I'm expecting Matt Ryan to go up and down
Speaker 1: the field on this team. Have we really seen that
Speaker 1: from the Falcons show, but we've seen it from basically
Speaker 1: every Patriots opponent, right, Well, that's certainly fair, um, but
Speaker 1: I do I do definitely put stock into you some
Speaker 1: of the things that are going on, probably in the
Speaker 1: heads of the Thousland's just because that's second half against
Speaker 1: the Donalds. I couldn't get over it watching that game.
Speaker 1: The sacks, the penalties, the special team's misc used, the
Speaker 1: interception to end it. I'd be a holding call to
Speaker 1: take you out of field, Gore. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl. It was. It was like an
Speaker 1: instant replay. So like, you never want to have a
Speaker 1: loss like that, But to have that loss and then
Speaker 1: the next game is it arguably the worst loss in
Speaker 1: NFL history, certainly the worst loss in franchise history. You
Speaker 1: just wonder where their headspace is at. I really really
Speaker 1: don't like the Patriots personally. I might have shared that
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but I really really think this will
Speaker 1: be a good Sunday night for the Throne of vis
Speaker 1: This is tough for you, Atlanta to you know, from
Speaker 1: a higher up thing. They played the Bills and Dolphins,
Speaker 1: two very good defenses. But now you're on the road
Speaker 1: three straight games, starting with New England, then the Jets,
Speaker 1: the Panthers, then the Cowboys at home, and then Seattle
Speaker 1: on the road. It's a rough month for Atlanta. If
Speaker 1: you don't take this thing. I'm not sure what happens
Speaker 1: to them a months from now. Their defense needs to
Speaker 1: get off the field, and this is a tough you know,
Speaker 1: a tough offense to do it against. You know, Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: It's almost like we take it for granted right now.
Speaker 1: How well he's playing. Now that Rogers out, he's he's
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league. He's he's forty, and
Speaker 1: as someone who's watched all his games, I think he's
Speaker 1: played as well since the start of last season through
Speaker 1: now then he then he did at any point. I
Speaker 1: never quite bought into the greatest of all time arguments
Speaker 1: until kind of the end of his career, because his
Speaker 1: career is so different than anyone else's. Well, that's how
Speaker 1: he separated right that. The back half has been better
Speaker 1: than the front half. Rob Gronkowski is not as explosive
Speaker 1: as he used to be, doesn't get as open, but
Speaker 1: he's still just such a beast to deal with. He
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be open and West's boy Dion Lewis.
Speaker 1: I think if he's a he's probably not available in
Speaker 1: fantasy leagues at this point. But I think he's run
Speaker 1: really well and he's gonna be a big factor for
Speaker 1: the Patriots the rest of the season. Let's pick this game.
Speaker 1: I've already gone out and said I think the Patriots
Speaker 1: will win by double digits. What are your thoughts. I
Speaker 1: think Atlanta is gonna take this game. Really yep. I'm
Speaker 1: not of all the issues we just mentioned or there,
Speaker 1: but a little guy named Marvin Hall, I think it
Speaker 1: is going to have a big play. Another one I've
Speaker 1: never dan, but I have never picked against the Patriots
Speaker 1: on this podcast anywhere else. Very smart And I want
Speaker 1: to say one last thing, and I know Josh mcamn
Speaker 1: through for three yards. Last week. The Patriots had a
Speaker 1: bad first half. They really did put it together for
Speaker 1: the most part in the second half, and they were
Speaker 1: completely neutralized the Jets run game. The week before against
Speaker 1: the Bucks, well, they look good against the Bucks and defense.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you take out to six of
Speaker 1: their last eight quarters, I feel like the Patriots defense
Speaker 1: has shown signs of life. Uh so, we'll see if
Speaker 1: that continues. If it does, the Falcons could be in
Speaker 1: deep trouble. Finally, Monday Night Football, the Washington Redskins travel
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia to face the Eagles. Big NFC East showdown. Greg,
Speaker 1: you know I love NFC East football. Runs me and
Speaker 1: my late grandfather, Poppy sitting on like big brown couch
Speaker 1: with his root beer watching the Giants, yelling at Phil Simms.
Speaker 1: Oh so he he his The rest of his family
Speaker 1: is a f C East fans. Come on, this is
Speaker 1: the other side of the family. I I yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no sense to get too deep into it. But Poppy
Speaker 1: loved the Giants rest in peace. He would have loved
Speaker 1: to watch this game because it's a slobber knocker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they played a really entertaining game in Week one.
Speaker 1: Like the Dolphins and Jets, they're getting their season series
Speaker 1: out of the way early. We're getting another game where
Speaker 1: John Gruden like gets very quiet whenever his brother makes
Speaker 1: a big timeward. You got to enjoy that coaching mistake.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think the Eagles have to feel very
Speaker 1: good about the timing of this game. Jonathan Allen the
Speaker 1: Redskins first rund draft pick is now out for the season.
Speaker 1: Josh Norman is very uncertain to play in this game.
Speaker 1: We don't know as we're taping this. They might be
Speaker 1: without breathing. And Tori Smith got deep against Washington a
Speaker 1: couple of times wide open, and Wentz missed him both
Speaker 1: times last uh time they played. I don't think he
Speaker 1: could keep missing him. And I think the secondary is
Speaker 1: ready and ripe to be taken apart. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's not something that I expected, But the Eagles feel
Speaker 1: like the favorites in the NFC right now, certainly in
Speaker 1: this division, I would say in the division. To me,
Speaker 1: they're just another team in the NFC. I know they're
Speaker 1: five and one and there, and I like, I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna have stay in power and I think they'll
Speaker 1: have a home playoff game. But I wouldn't put them
Speaker 1: up ahead of any of those NFC South teams or
Speaker 1: the Seahawks or anything like that, or even I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a water down NFC at this point. If if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do what they should um this week in
Speaker 1: San Francisco and the Redskins go to Philly and get
Speaker 1: a win, NFC East is wide open, so I'm not
Speaker 1: I think that Philly is certainly showing themselves so far
Speaker 1: to be the most balanced team, but we know how
Speaker 1: this stuff can shift as the season progressed. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a massive game for the Redskins because you
Speaker 1: would fall what two and a half games back, Annual
Speaker 1: have already gotten swept in terms of the season series.
Speaker 1: You got J Gruden this week talking about Wentz saying
Speaker 1: he thinks Wentz is already one of the top quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. Quite frankly, I don't know how he
Speaker 1: got better so fat I've never seen a quarterback progress
Speaker 1: at that sort of rate. Well, and he's and I
Speaker 1: don't know how he got to Philadelphia. It's a little
Speaker 1: shot at your Browns. Well, okay, like I need you know,
Speaker 1: thank you? Is it is it? Um? Because I'm just curious, Mark,
Speaker 1: is it really frustrating when they have these primetime showcases
Speaker 1: and guys like Ruten cans out by the way, not
Speaker 1: John j And yes it is, but I would imagine
Speaker 1: but I'd say at this point, and Wentz is the guy. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if I Deshaun Watson was never on my radar pre
Speaker 1: draft because we're not draft guys necessarily, but Wentz was
Speaker 1: and I really thought that Wentz passing a Wentz felt
Speaker 1: like passing on Big Ben. And it's all playing out
Speaker 1: too if you're a Browns furm to an annoying script,
Speaker 1: but they deserve that christmasticism right now. Listen to Washington schedule,
Speaker 1: by the way, I was just going to mention a
Speaker 1: brutal slog starting at Philly and primetime that stuff home
Speaker 1: to Dallas is going to be a battle at Seattle,
Speaker 1: home to Minnesota, and at New Orleans, which all of
Speaker 1: a sudden looks like a very tough game, and then
Speaker 1: you come home and face the Giants, which won't even
Speaker 1: be a game. So this this is there are no
Speaker 1: games on that schedule, and this is a big game
Speaker 1: for them. They've over achieved on defense and and now
Speaker 1: that they're missing a few players, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep doing it in the In the real
Speaker 1: football heads that that study the film are very impressed
Speaker 1: with how Carson Wentz has been changing the plays and
Speaker 1: getting the teams set up for a second year player.
Speaker 1: I think that's what J Gruden might be talking about there,
Speaker 1: that he's showing some of the ability of a veteran
Speaker 1: quarterback to get the team in the right plays and
Speaker 1: all that. That's a good sign. And three straight games
Speaker 1: for the Eagles at home. So you got the Redskins
Speaker 1: severences Denver. They are well set up. I think this
Speaker 1: division could be over by mid November. So you are
Speaker 1: all in on the Eagles. Yeah, but that fly, Eagles fly.
Speaker 1: My predictor machine is like basically been broken for three years.
Speaker 1: Put that in your put that in your podcast, Cell Sessler,
Speaker 1: NFC East over by November, um mid November by myself.
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