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Speaker 1: This is our week eight recap episode, the flagship program
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast, And what a what
Speaker 1: a week indeed, well, yeah, it's good week with a
Speaker 1: couple of great games, including maybe the game of the
Speaker 1: year and or at least in the conversation Greg and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to it in a minute, the game
Speaker 1: of the year of the week, Russell Wilson in Seattle
Speaker 1: holding off the Shawn Wats. We needed that game this week,
Speaker 1: we didn't. They had a little juice and we got
Speaker 1: some juice in Seattle, so we got that game to
Speaker 1: get to uh so every Sunday matchup, and then of
Speaker 1: course will end with the Sunday night football matchup between
Speaker 1: the Steelers and Lions. Um, you know, we're just holding
Speaker 1: We're trying to hold things together here in the NFL
Speaker 1: media universe. After one of the most stunning, stunning lunch
Speaker 1: orders ever chili dogs ordered for the entire media group.
Speaker 1: How does that even? How does that even happen? Who
Speaker 1: is beyond beyond behind the order, Who decided that an
Speaker 1: entire newsroom would want that? And who and this is
Speaker 1: the most important part, did not think ahead? Do you
Speaker 1: want to be feeding a group chili dogs three hours
Speaker 1: into like a twelve hour shift. It's just it's not
Speaker 1: a good thing. Well, these these it's very nice of
Speaker 1: them in theory to order these lunches, so let's start there.
Speaker 1: But they typically come very clearly from an area restaurant
Speaker 1: of out and I just don't I cannot identify, uh
Speaker 1: in in l a restaurant that would have created this meal.
Speaker 1: It feels where was it made at? In a school
Speaker 1: kitchen potentially somewhere in in in Cardo card Over, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess what I'm saying, Greg is Daddy
Speaker 1: feeling great right now, Daddy? Okay, that's right. I thought
Speaker 1: you were when you were saying like that. You know,
Speaker 1: we're strugg we're fighting through things. How can we do?
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about the absence of Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: who we we clearly miss, you know, on this program.
Speaker 1: But now you're bringing it back to the Chili Dogs. Well,
Speaker 1: the bigger See the Chili dog fiasco of a Sunday weekend.
Speaker 1: Now we have the little See, the Big Sea, and
Speaker 1: then the grand Daddy Sea Chili Dogs. Let's get into
Speaker 1: the Sunday games. Starting Yes at the clink, tight formation,
Speaker 1: Seattle trying to take the lead. Wilson roll into his right,
Speaker 1: has a man touchdown, HiT's Jimmy grab. Seattle takes the lead.
Speaker 1: Thirty three, thirty one, Okay, I r o the call there.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's last minute touch down connection with Yes Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham sent Century Link Field into hysterics, empowered the Seahawks
Speaker 1: to a forty one to thirty eight win and one
Speaker 1: of the best NFL games in the season. I mean
Speaker 1: offense galory game in which the two quarterbacks, the Shawn
Speaker 1: Watson and Russell Wilson, through for almost five hundred yards
Speaker 1: or a thousand yards combined. That type of game and
Speaker 1: Mark Watson uh was incredible in this game, four touchdowns
Speaker 1: through for four hundred ran for sixty five more, but
Speaker 1: Houston got conservative in the final minutes and ultimately they
Speaker 1: paid a heavy price. I mean, it's so unusual to
Speaker 1: have a game where a quarterback is throwing for four
Speaker 1: hundred and something yards and putting the team entirely on
Speaker 1: his back. In this game, both quarterbacks did that. Four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two yards for Russell Wilson with four touchdowns,
Speaker 1: most of that coming in an in a heroic second
Speaker 1: half performance by him and Deshaun Watson, who right away
Speaker 1: made it clear that Seattle's legion of but he could
Speaker 1: not have showed any less fear of rich Richard Sherman
Speaker 1: in firing the ball right at him. DeAndre Hopkins finishes
Speaker 1: this game with an incredible two hundred and twenty four
Speaker 1: yards I mean, making will Fuller had two touchdowns in
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five yards. This offense is a
Speaker 1: fascinating watch and and they they were the headline for
Speaker 1: much of this game until Russell Wilson basically said, uh, Well,
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is neither of these teams have a
Speaker 1: traditional running game. I mean, the Sea the Seahawks haven't
Speaker 1: have nothing. Now, I mean it's crazy they can't continue
Speaker 1: to try to win games like Russell Wilson won this
Speaker 1: game despite getting three yards from his running backs, despite
Speaker 1: not really having much of an offensive line. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, his team gave up thirty eight points.
Speaker 1: So as great as Watson was, and he was great,
Speaker 1: Wilson had that one interception that was under three minutes
Speaker 1: to go. Watson had a few more mistakes in the
Speaker 1: game that was kind of the difference, and ultimately Seattle's
Speaker 1: defense did get the stop they needed on the third
Speaker 1: and two where if Texans pick it up late, they
Speaker 1: get the first down and they win. It was third
Speaker 1: in four, and it was it looked like it was
Speaker 1: an option play where Watson could have held on to
Speaker 1: it or handed off, handed off to Lamar Miller who
Speaker 1: got to And it made me think about a few
Speaker 1: weeks back where all they need to do is get
Speaker 1: what it was a third and one or third and
Speaker 1: two against the Patriots. That's right. They stuck in Lamar
Speaker 1: Miller's gut that time, and it didn't work that time either,
Speaker 1: and then they got beat uh in the final second.
Speaker 1: So this time, to me, the Patriots game was frustrating,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they thought they
Speaker 1: could get the yard they didn't get this time. It
Speaker 1: was overly conservative. And then it's almost as if the defense,
Speaker 1: which had done their very best Marcus Williams, who was
Speaker 1: a former Jet who got cut picked up, that should
Speaker 1: have won the game. They just need a couple of
Speaker 1: first downs and the game's over, and instead they went
Speaker 1: back on the field Houston, it looked like they weren't
Speaker 1: even prepared, and by the end of the game, the
Speaker 1: last play, Jimmy Graham just wanders down the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, untouched, unmolested, and scores the touchdown. It was
Speaker 1: a crazy, how to be a deeply disappointing way, a
Speaker 1: crushing way for Houston to lose because they had come
Speaker 1: so close. That said, they're three and four, and you
Speaker 1: easily could flip that record or say they'd even have
Speaker 1: potentially five wins if things have gone a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: But if I'm a Texans fan, I come out of
Speaker 1: this incredibly hopeful about the future. You have a star
Speaker 1: quarterback and you're in a division forget the record right now.
Speaker 1: There's a long way to go in this season. I
Speaker 1: never called this the mid the midpoint after Week eight.
Speaker 1: There's so much football to be played, and they can
Speaker 1: climb out of the current record and fight on. And
Speaker 1: I think they are a legit threat in the a
Speaker 1: f C if they get hot and get into a
Speaker 1: playoff position. Is fighting for a playoff spot right now,
Speaker 1: I'm a bunch of junk. Everyone else has major problems.
Speaker 1: That Division's got three teams that are all gonna be
Speaker 1: fighting for that division alone. But the Texans fans, you know,
Speaker 1: when they lost and Merciless, they probably you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this team had a chance to compete
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl this year. Anyways, this season
Speaker 1: is all about the Shawn Watson, So I don't care
Speaker 1: if they end up going six and ten. If he
Speaker 1: keeps playing at this level, they have found a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: For the first time. Watching these two guys, I was thinking,
Speaker 1: what if you could show a tape of this game too,
Speaker 1: maybe a ten year old Mark Sessler in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: Like it would have blown your mind to watch two
Speaker 1: of the greatest quarterbacks ever in terms of being able
Speaker 1: to evade the rush and improvise and run around like
Speaker 1: it's just they're playing football in a different way. These
Speaker 1: two back to back. It's insane. Uh two more points one,
Speaker 1: Greg skinn of your teeth. Congratulations ends the losing streak.
Speaker 1: Big victory for you as well as the Seahawks and
Speaker 1: also the Texans with the backdrop of this game was
Speaker 1: outrageous as well, of course, was with a team owner,
Speaker 1: Bob McNair, the comments that leaked out from the owners meetings,
Speaker 1: where he was quoted as saying that the inmates running
Speaker 1: the prison situation going on and and it led to
Speaker 1: a lot of Texans players kneeling during the anthem, any
Speaker 1: of them. So you don't you didn't know if they
Speaker 1: were gonna show up for this game. Mentally, they certainly
Speaker 1: showed up. They just didn't get it done. But don't
Speaker 1: discount that being an ongoing issue around this team that
Speaker 1: could affect their season. It's remarkable. If anything, it it's
Speaker 1: interesting that they essentially didn't practice Friday. You know, Hopkins left.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. You know, the rookie Deanty
Speaker 1: Foreman was also one of the players that did leave.
Speaker 1: He traditionally this season has had a big role splitting
Speaker 1: carries with Lamar. Miller did not have a touch in
Speaker 1: this game. Alfred Blue got the carry, so I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: connected or not. Clearly they weren't gonna sit DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: in this game, but I don't know. Pretty strong statement
Speaker 1: by the players, let's move up. But boy, the running
Speaker 1: back Taylor's been over across the football practical point and stopped.
Speaker 1: What a job by the Raiders And now they're saying touchdown?
Speaker 1: What the labeable they're saying Taylor broke the plane. Andrew
Speaker 1: Catalan of CBS with the call, he got it right. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor put the game out of reach with the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter scoring plunge, and Matt Mulatto put the Bills
Speaker 1: ahead for good in the second quarter with a forty
Speaker 1: yard fumble return as Buffalo cruise to a thirty four
Speaker 1: to fourteen win over the Raiders and or Chard Park
Speaker 1: greg The Bills are on the rise while the Raiders
Speaker 1: appear to be fading. That play, that call from Catalan
Speaker 1: felt bad for him. There's typical of well, no, I
Speaker 1: looks like, make sure you cut the Catalan failing. I
Speaker 1: love it when an announcer as a as a moment,
Speaker 1: it is a major subplot. Sitting near Greg every Sunday,
Speaker 1: cut to Catalan sitting in business class, listening to our
Speaker 1: pot of the tier. Yeah, I'm sure he's listening to.
Speaker 1: That was a play that was decided just by a
Speaker 1: hair that it could have gone either way, and that's
Speaker 1: how the call got messed up. It looked like he
Speaker 1: might have fumbled it, but no one ended up being
Speaker 1: ruled a touchdown. And to me, that's kind of what
Speaker 1: this Bills season has been all about. I really admire
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I think they're playing hard, they're playing
Speaker 1: great team defense. But watching this game and they won
Speaker 1: the turnover battle for to nothing. They're now leading the
Speaker 1: NFL in turnover margin at plus fourteen. I believe every
Speaker 1: time the ball bounces up in the it's like there's
Speaker 1: a Bills linebacker to take it the other way for seven,
Speaker 1: or a tipped pass that dere a card through today
Speaker 1: which gets you know, picked off for an interceptions. Just
Speaker 1: one of those years that everything is going their way
Speaker 1: and they're also making their own luck and not making mistakes.
Speaker 1: These are the teams that a year later, when they
Speaker 1: try to figure out who's gonna slide back to the
Speaker 1: pack win loss wise, it's these teams that are dominating
Speaker 1: turnovers because that barely duplicates itself. But there's something else
Speaker 1: that happened from today lea Shawn McCoy, who I think
Speaker 1: he's ran well all season, but statistically a little stuck
Speaker 1: in the mud. And you mentioned that they went back
Speaker 1: to some concepts they used last year and it unleashed
Speaker 1: him for a hundred and fifty one yard Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. I feel like the Bills are
Speaker 1: more sustainable because McCoy is ripping off big time runs
Speaker 1: now in back to back weeks, and they're playing a
Speaker 1: team the Raiders, who can't get stops. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Raiders have a huge weakness. They have not at a
Speaker 1: defense for a couple of seasons now. Whereas Buffalo, you
Speaker 1: look at who they were missing today, Jordan Poyer, who's
Speaker 1: played really well, another starting cornerback he Diggens. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, they traded the guy they gave a
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contract to Marcel Darius. They didn't miss him.
Speaker 1: They stuffed the Raiders in the running game, it's like,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who's out there, they played pretty well on
Speaker 1: team defense. It's a bad situation for the Raiders, who
Speaker 1: came off that dramatic um potentially you would think season
Speaker 1: altering win over the Chiefs, and then to have this
Speaker 1: happened where the Bills missing the two defensive backs, Darius
Speaker 1: isn't there, they still can't move the ball on offense.
Speaker 1: So all this, all this greatness that you got out
Speaker 1: of the end of that game, that's all kind of
Speaker 1: wiped away now and then when the dust clears, and
Speaker 1: again we were just talking about the Texans and you
Speaker 1: look at the the a f C playoff picture, the
Speaker 1: Bills look to be in great position in five and
Speaker 1: two and the Raiders they're clinging just to hope. It
Speaker 1: looks like now to maybe get the sixth seed. So
Speaker 1: a lot of things have changed, and not in a
Speaker 1: good way. Well there in Oakland's record is no fluke.
Speaker 1: This is this is really a team that just seems
Speaker 1: to completely be absent of last year's strength. And who
Speaker 1: would have thought when you looked at this schedule in
Speaker 1: August and you saw the Jets and Bills kicking off
Speaker 1: next week's action on Thursday Night football. You think, how
Speaker 1: dare you put that game on national television for us
Speaker 1: to deal with in early November? Instead, it is a
Speaker 1: fascinating game of the week, almost all right. Tony Romo
Speaker 1: called it a game of the week, and I think
Speaker 1: that the Jets are interesting. Romo finally got something wrong,
Speaker 1: the Jets of lust three in or. I just think
Speaker 1: it's for here's it as relative to how meaningless people
Speaker 1: thought it would be, it is the opposite. I wanted
Speaker 1: to cover this game because I thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of one of those two ships passing in the playoff
Speaker 1: race night, like which way are these two teams gonna go?
Speaker 1: And the final score is misleading. But ultimately the Raiders
Speaker 1: are set up in a way that their offense needs
Speaker 1: to be special. It's not special. It's just Okayvious Waite
Speaker 1: shuts down to Mary Cooper. You couldn't really run the ball.
Speaker 1: They haven't been able to do that all season. Let's
Speaker 1: move on hand off Elliott pushing on the right shot
Speaker 1: and he'll walk it in touchdown. Prowdos Elliot's shutt end
Speaker 1: of the game. Game for the second week in a
Speaker 1: Roan and Frank you Tyroan Crawford at Orlando Standrick for
Speaker 1: that school k r LD Byron Jones is twenty one
Speaker 1: yard interception return for a touchdown. That was the exclamation
Speaker 1: point for the Cowboys, who went into saggy FedEx Field
Speaker 1: came out with an important thirty three to nineteen win
Speaker 1: over the Redskins, who have now lost to H to
Speaker 1: UH division foes in a span of six days. Not good.
Speaker 1: And now we welcome back Nick Shook swollen as hell
Speaker 1: wearing a nineteen nineties throwback Calves shirt. One of the
Speaker 1: worst logos that I can remember in the nineties. It's
Speaker 1: literally a basketball that goes through a net and it
Speaker 1: says calved and blue. There's nothing to logo is simply
Speaker 1: here's the goal of the sport. Still better than the
Speaker 1: Brandy close but close anyway? Swallow he swallow as hells
Speaker 1: trying to get out who cares anyway? Uh? Nick Shook,
Speaker 1: swall as hell. You don't give a damn about standard
Speaker 1: fitness expectations. And he's about to talk about another big
Speaker 1: performance from Zeke Elliott and what could be his last
Speaker 1: game for a while. I'm trying to get past what
Speaker 1: standard fitness expectations are. But anyways, it's just like having
Speaker 1: like a standard good bod. You blew past that and
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean jack s to you, Like You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the almost distractingly jacked body. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, like so big that it's always like, well,
Speaker 1: is he like, is it actually hard for him to
Speaker 1: move around? Like what's his orf jr? And if you
Speaker 1: are wondering, yes, Dan obviously spends many minutes, potentially many
Speaker 1: hours thinking about your physique while not on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is the question all
Speaker 1: of us are wondering, but only the old zeuser can
Speaker 1: ask it. Are you getting too big for for your
Speaker 1: own good? I actually was asked that in the newsroom today.
Speaker 1: What's it like, big arms? It's hard to buy a
Speaker 1: T shirt? Well, that's not what I was asking anyways. Well,
Speaker 1: let's go to Cowboys redskins by the other mail uh
Speaker 1: execular It was he this. I wrote in the in
Speaker 1: the postgame recap that this is really encouraging for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys because the running game earlier in the season for
Speaker 1: them was not good. Zeke looked a step slow. We
Speaker 1: had talked about that on here and um In the
Speaker 1: last couple to three weeks, he's turned that around. He's
Speaker 1: back to Zeke of last year. The lines starting to
Speaker 1: gel with the new pieces that they've got there, and
Speaker 1: they took advantage of that today in what was a
Speaker 1: steady downpour. He rushed thirty three times for a hundred
Speaker 1: fifty yards and two touchdowns. It should have been three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: but one got called back on a bogus holding call
Speaker 1: on Tyrn Smith. And you know, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting to see because right now, if Zeke wasn't facing
Speaker 1: a potential suspension, I got a lot of stock in
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. It's moving up. But with that, you know,
Speaker 1: still being out there is the biggest game day of
Speaker 1: the season for the Cowboys. It's so strange, but you know,
Speaker 1: that's the day we're supposed to hear from the court
Speaker 1: in New York that we believe will finally decide either
Speaker 1: the suspension starts next week or he should be clear
Speaker 1: for the huge for the whole NFC. Right absolutely, because
Speaker 1: right now, the way the Cowboys are playing, and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna give too much credit to the Redskins because
Speaker 1: I think they have a lot of problems and it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a big, big statement win for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but the way they're playing in back to back weeks,
Speaker 1: they're really putting it together. And this game changed um
Speaker 1: late in the second quarter. The Redskins are in control
Speaker 1: of the game for most of the first half, and
Speaker 1: they come out on the field up thirteen seven, attempting
Speaker 1: a field goal Nick Rose. The attempt gets blocked Orlando
Speaker 1: Scandrick scoops it up, runs eighty six yards, setting up
Speaker 1: the Elliott touchdown in the second quarter. So instead of
Speaker 1: being sixteen seven going into the half, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden blake and it's fourteen thirteen and the Cowboys never
Speaker 1: trailed again. So when you look at this looking at
Speaker 1: the score, oh, the Cowboys took care of business in
Speaker 1: this game. They were a better team, but it did
Speaker 1: not look like that for most of the first half. Well,
Speaker 1: they played a pretty sloppy first half overall. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were really lucky to be going into halftime at
Speaker 1: the one point lead. They didn't they didn't deserve that lead,
Speaker 1: but they earned it. In the second half. With the
Speaker 1: way that they played, you still wonder if they have
Speaker 1: enough on the outside or just in general in the
Speaker 1: in the passing game, the Cowboys that is, I wonder
Speaker 1: that and that's why I do think they're a team
Speaker 1: a team to watch this week with the trading deadline,
Speaker 1: whether they would want to pick up some sort of
Speaker 1: receiving to talk at Martevis Bryant, marts, but there's other
Speaker 1: receivers possibles. T Y Hilton first reports that like their
Speaker 1: teams have inquired about Martevis Brian and I think that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys make sense culturally and sort of just who
Speaker 1: they are and my kind of player. A lot of
Speaker 1: teams would saying teams would say no way to Martavis Bryant,
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys consistently, uh you know field risky players,
Speaker 1: they'll take it over and over, sending your nightmare headache.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory agrees with you. Yeah, um, any other thoughts
Speaker 1: The Redskins again, you know, the conditions, let's be fair,
Speaker 1: shook bad for everybody, but again the Redskins they just
Speaker 1: don't have it. And there's something like that annoyed me
Speaker 1: about that last picks that it was just a checkdown pass,
Speaker 1: like floated in the middle of field, no time outs.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is going on with this team right now.
Speaker 1: They are a team that has been decimated by injuries,
Speaker 1: and especially on the offensive line. They're throwing guys in
Speaker 1: there who arrived this week and we're blocking for them
Speaker 1: and not doing a very good job. I might add,
Speaker 1: there's a guy who used to block in Minnesota. His
Speaker 1: name's t J. Clemings. He plays tackle. He was a
Speaker 1: he who was in addition to the Redskins this year,
Speaker 1: and he was bad before he got hurt. He got
Speaker 1: ran over and then gave up. Uh. He allowed Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins ge hit and actually a touchdown passed from you know, ironically.
Speaker 1: But they can't protect the quarterback and they're suffering injuries
Speaker 1: in all parts of their team. And mett I and
Speaker 1: I who had He's had a pretty good year so far,
Speaker 1: especially against the running the interior defensive tackle. He fractured
Speaker 1: his hand. Jordan Reid left with a hamstring injury, Niles
Speaker 1: Paul had a concussion. This is just today, well, he
Speaker 1: said in the off season this season could be decided
Speaker 1: for them on what dots and and Trrell Prior does
Speaker 1: and if they came up today. They combined for five
Speaker 1: targets and one yard, one ye one touchdown. But it
Speaker 1: was only because on the play prior Dots and got flagged,
Speaker 1: or well, the cornerback covering Dots and he drew a
Speaker 1: flag for a passenger ference the end zone. That was
Speaker 1: kind of a gift. And four and you have Seattle
Speaker 1: Minnesota in the Saints, you get the Giants after that,
Speaker 1: then you have a Dallas again. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean they I find the Redskins fun to watch
Speaker 1: when they're kind of cooking when they're clicking. Schedule is well,
Speaker 1: they need to get healthy first. Bottom line. Let's move
Speaker 1: on your Hello, that's five or row? Mm hmm, it's
Speaker 1: five and row. Greg can't make up ground on me
Speaker 1: this week. I mean, I'm looking forward to the street
Speaker 1: ending because then we'll just stop talking about the standings
Speaker 1: in general. No one will actually find out if this ends.
Speaker 1: Greg still struggling with being in last place. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on five arrow babies. The running back Ted
Speaker 1: Ken Jr. Goes in motion. They clip it to the
Speaker 1: near side. Chimera trying to turn the corner horse and
Speaker 1: the boundary and he's gonna scall Are trubs off a
Speaker 1: tackle at the two and ducks on the end zone
Speaker 1: for the score that was w w L with the call,
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara and mark Ingram both rush for touchdowns, Drew
Speaker 1: Brees through yards and the Saints top the Bears twenty
Speaker 1: to twelve at the super Dome. Greg another week, another
Speaker 1: conquest for the Saints, who have won five straight. Get excited,
Speaker 1: Mr Tulane, I mean, I'm excited. Saints fans should be
Speaker 1: excited because they're winning games in different types of ways.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees said after the game that he doesn't even
Speaker 1: feel like that the passing game is really has it
Speaker 1: all together, and he's right. This was the game he
Speaker 1: only had five in completions, but they could have put
Speaker 1: it away earlier. They didn't need to. That was the
Speaker 1: perfect clip to pick because Camara, to me, is the
Speaker 1: key to the team. On one drive, you know, he
Speaker 1: beats you get they just get him in good lineup
Speaker 1: and good matchups where he's beating a linebacker on a
Speaker 1: deep sideline route. You just don't see running backs do that.
Speaker 1: And then on the next play he's lined up in
Speaker 1: the slot and he's beating a zone and it's just
Speaker 1: like if it wasn't for two mark Ingram fumbles when
Speaker 1: they were position to score twice late in this game,
Speaker 1: it would not have been as close as And that's
Speaker 1: an aberration for Ingram because I don't think he's had
Speaker 1: two fumbles in a game ever in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: he I mean, they're running game for the most part
Speaker 1: today was bottled up. You gotta give Chicago a little
Speaker 1: bit of credit. Keem Hicks is playing some steps from Trabinsky,
Speaker 1: a nice deep shot down field, a big run at
Speaker 1: the end. I mean, are they used They use him
Speaker 1: in a in a different through the ball thirty two times.
Speaker 1: They're not doing much with him, by the way. I
Speaker 1: know he doesn't have a lot of stuff around it,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of big talk about him in
Speaker 1: his first game. Uh, he's not really moving the ball
Speaker 1: with him, is he? Well, I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: team that just had to make a move for a
Speaker 1: receiver this week and a receiver that right, if they're
Speaker 1: in a weird spot, I did right very early, Like,
Speaker 1: how are they going to respond to being down to
Speaker 1: nothing or they going to kind of get out of
Speaker 1: what they do? They didn't. They didn't really. They stayed
Speaker 1: pretty run heavy, and I think we partly saw why. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: he completed less than half of his passes. I think
Speaker 1: he's and this is true of almost every rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think he's just a beat or too slow getting
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands, and and that's that's
Speaker 1: something get better at as he plays. Yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: agree with that. However, there were some moments, um adam
Speaker 1: or excuse me, Zach Miller went down with an unfortunate
Speaker 1: leg injury that was really gruesome. But it was a
Speaker 1: great ball, a great pass from Trawhisky to him that
Speaker 1: would have been a touchdown if we could have the
Speaker 1: game might have been little What it catches? Is this
Speaker 1: a catch fiasco? Fiasco? Yeah? You know. Basically what happened
Speaker 1: was Zach Miller catches the ball, he proceeds to dislocate
Speaker 1: his knee, and then as he goes down to the ground,
Speaker 1: feels the pain, realizes something's wrong with his leg, drops
Speaker 1: the ball, and that right there is not complete the
Speaker 1: process of the catch. And it was well after it
Speaker 1: really felt like there was nothing that you saw I was.
Speaker 1: I was really surprised, and I shouldn't be surprised anymore.
Speaker 1: I was surprised by that one. Yeah, every week you
Speaker 1: get one of these, let's move on shot, got all
Speaker 1: the tight end, back goes both he fires and I
Speaker 1: tells the moves tell the love song. He cucks buck
Speaker 1: at the fifteen he was undering across the fields. He
Speaker 1: cuts the pluck, he puck back, he carett moves W
Speaker 1: I P on the call. There, Carson Wentz through two
Speaker 1: touchdown passes h including that one to Jalen Mills of
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, glided past the San Francisco forty Niners
Speaker 1: thirty three to ten. Shook. The Eagles were fully expected
Speaker 1: to take care take care of business here, and that's
Speaker 1: what they did. Yeah. Uh. And you know, here's the
Speaker 1: weird thing about this game. And much like I've given
Speaker 1: the Browns credit in the past, and I've given the
Speaker 1: Bears some credit recently for their defense, the Niners defense
Speaker 1: kept this a game until the last two minutes of
Speaker 1: the first half, and everything just fell apart. I mean,
Speaker 1: in a in a world when there was that pick six,
Speaker 1: and then there was right before that, there was a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass from Wentz to zach Ertz which completed like
Speaker 1: a six or seven play drive, and it went from
Speaker 1: being an Eagles three nothing lead in another rainy game
Speaker 1: to suddenly being, you know, seventeen to nothing and the
Speaker 1: Eagles in complete control. I mean they they brought the
Speaker 1: house at Wentz with the Jason Peters industry and injury
Speaker 1: and and they got seven hits, they got three sacks.
Speaker 1: But it's it's c J. Beathard and Dan, that's your boy.
Speaker 1: C J. Beat Hard. He week after week is taking
Speaker 1: a beating and I don't understand he's taking a hard
Speaker 1: beating big time. If you're Kyle Shanahan, you need to
Speaker 1: get a wind. Yes, I did, Dan, and it was
Speaker 1: mildly humorous. So why are you sticking? Are you going
Speaker 1: to stick with that for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: This is not the quarterback of the future. This is
Speaker 1: not the humor that I like. Well, I'm mox Cla Mark.
Speaker 1: Dan's not gonna hear any of our points for the
Speaker 1: rest of the shows are just going to be mildly, mildly,
Speaker 1: mildly impossible a possible show to make a point. How
Speaker 1: about die? There you go, That's what I was looking for.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with Beth beat Hard. Is Brian Hoyers
Speaker 1: worse than him still And it's not necessarily his fault.
Speaker 1: When he's protected, he makes some good throws. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Niners here, We're not talking about
Speaker 1: He's not a franchise quarterback. You're right, they need to
Speaker 1: find somebody else in the future, but right now it's
Speaker 1: gotta be Bethard over Hoyer. Their problem again, much like
Speaker 1: the Redskins in the last game, is they can't protect him.
Speaker 1: The thing. The thing though, with a rebuilding team that's
Speaker 1: oh and eight with a new coach, you want to
Speaker 1: be excited about identifying some players for the future, and
Speaker 1: I don't see that at all with this forty Niners team.
Speaker 1: I see their best running back as Carlos Heider is
Speaker 1: not gonna be on the team. Uh you know they're
Speaker 1: leading receivers today was a running back Mark Matt Brita,
Speaker 1: who which was You got Trent Taylor and Garrett Selling
Speaker 1: And these are guys are just here and they're not
Speaker 1: gonna be If the forty Niners ever get good again
Speaker 1: on offense, it's not gonna be with any of these guys.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to get excited. Yeah, no, I feel
Speaker 1: I think the one point maybe is that maybe Trent
Speaker 1: Taylor could stick like your fourth or Fisher that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But Yeah, from especially on the this offense
Speaker 1: mostly two thousand seventeen, you've identified your fourth or fifth
Speaker 1: target on offense, nailed it, moving on, checks out, takes
Speaker 1: the snap, drops back to pass, has a little bit
Speaker 1: of time, steps up with the pocket bros for the
Speaker 1: back of the ENDZ So for Rudolph, He's got it
Speaker 1: high in the air and comes down two feet in.
Speaker 1: It's a four yard touchdown pass to Kyle Rudolph KF
Speaker 1: xcent with the call case Keenum throw two touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: including that victory ensuring toss to Kyle Rudolph and Kai
Speaker 1: for Bath Guys, Kai Guys gonna be Kai made four
Speaker 1: field goals. The Vikings beat the Browns thirty three to
Speaker 1: sixteen at Twickers. That's the final game that will be
Speaker 1: held in Britain this year. We cannot We just couldn't
Speaker 1: get him one couldn't get him a game. And we
Speaker 1: were at sky him Bath. We got him Kai. Kai
Speaker 1: is gonna be Kai. We were on Sky Sports with
Speaker 1: Neil Reynolds earlier today, Greg and I and we promised
Speaker 1: him any game they wanted next year. Yeah, better, he
Speaker 1: requested Tom Brady, Carson Wentz and we've got the type
Speaker 1: of polls, which is we're going to you certainly have
Speaker 1: the power to make that happen. I mean, case Keenum
Speaker 1: has played in I believe two thirds of the games
Speaker 1: ever played at Twickenham Stadium. Half they got goose bumps. Anyway,
Speaker 1: greg Um, this is your classic take care of business
Speaker 1: game for the Vikings. But you know, the probs, they
Speaker 1: made him earn it. It was a good game for
Speaker 1: two and a half quarters, or at least a competitive game.
Speaker 1: I just saw the Browns do things that bad teams
Speaker 1: do though. I mean they gave They gave away about
Speaker 1: ten free points when the game was actually close, with
Speaker 1: a missed field goal with Hugh Jackson totally botching the
Speaker 1: time out situation at the end of the first half,
Speaker 1: and then another penalty which led to fumbling the first
Speaker 1: play the second half, which led the three more pas.
Speaker 1: Just like here, here's ten points for you, and it's
Speaker 1: tough to win. They on the flip side of Kai
Speaker 1: for Bath to Zane Gonzales, Cleveland's rookie kick or that's had.
Speaker 1: He's had a tough season and you know he's not along.
Speaker 1: Greg greg you witnessed my deep passion for this Browns
Speaker 1: team this morning and before our early England hit. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's that's true. Like Mark, Mark in the past has
Speaker 1: said that he's let go of the Browns a little bit,
Speaker 1: I think in this in this case he really is
Speaker 1: pretty pretty tuned out on this team. Smart Nick, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, still still has that in his I
Speaker 1: do engage with people on Twitter after the Browns of
Speaker 1: Austin's game this morning about why they don't need to
Speaker 1: fire everybody right now and how it's going to set
Speaker 1: them back. It's week eight. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to fire everyone either, but I
Speaker 1: think the takeaway here is more the Vikings that they
Speaker 1: this is a game that if they were lesser Vikings
Speaker 1: team or last year's Vikings team that started out five
Speaker 1: and oh and then crumbled, they're doing the opposite things
Speaker 1: this year. They they got stuck in a tough first
Speaker 1: half and mind their way out of it. What do
Speaker 1: you want them to do? Nick Shook? Then if if
Speaker 1: like are you saying now is not too early, this
Speaker 1: aren't making some change, I think you retain your coaching
Speaker 1: staff and you consider some front office changes just because
Speaker 1: they don't seem like they're necessarily on the same page
Speaker 1: in the long run. But bringing you back to the Vikings,
Speaker 1: I also had to defend Case Keenum on Twitter today.
Speaker 1: He's had a pretty solid season, talked about that is
Speaker 1: this idn't you're doing. I didn't wake up this morning
Speaker 1: and think I'm gonna have to defend Hugh Jackson and
Speaker 1: Case Keenum in the same conversation. He made some plays
Speaker 1: on his own, but Adam feel and makes him look good.
Speaker 1: And I feel for Keenum because he's been in a
Speaker 1: lot of different situations. And I could be wrong about this,
Speaker 1: but if you read Mike zimmers quotes after the game
Speaker 1: when they asked about Teddy Bridgewater and he said, I
Speaker 1: hope I have a decision to make. You know, Cases
Speaker 1: played well, but we'll see what happens there. I I
Speaker 1: really just just it's just the guess. I really think
Speaker 1: Teddy bridge Road is going to be the starter after
Speaker 1: the bye, and he's going to be the one that
Speaker 1: possibly takes this team into the playoff. Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: you know, they're winning games, so this is a good
Speaker 1: position to be regardless unless you make the change in
Speaker 1: the wheels fall off. Wait, so what's the same Bradford
Speaker 1: situation where are we now? That is so strange. Right
Speaker 1: now he's in the Maleys, he's sort of he's a
Speaker 1: bit disinterested, and I think they're just not his injury.
Speaker 1: Seems like he has no timetable. It's something where he's
Speaker 1: kind of cleared where he can do football activities, but
Speaker 1: he clearly just the most important football to be playing
Speaker 1: on SUN. I think there's something serious going on there
Speaker 1: where like you're worried about his long term future playing
Speaker 1: the sport. I think that's the vibes that is he football,
Speaker 1: Brandon Roy degenerative needs is this? It could be that situation.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, bro, have a timetable, but
Speaker 1: now you're making me think, wait, he could be facing
Speaker 1: a career threatening situations. You read between the line a
Speaker 1: dash of sensitivity, if you're between the lines of what
Speaker 1: the insiders and what the medical people there have said.
Speaker 1: Like that's sort of the vibe you're getting on Bradford
Speaker 1: that they don't know about his future at all. Interesting,
Speaker 1: all right, Nick, one of these days we're gonna have
Speaker 1: you on the show and you're gonna talk about a
Speaker 1: Brown's win that is not today. It's funny. I did
Speaker 1: a preview, um so another Twitter um with somebody in
Speaker 1: London and Twitter bit he goes, He goes, what's the
Speaker 1: goal for the Browns? And I was just like, win
Speaker 1: a game, any game, it doesn't matter, just one would
Speaker 1: be perfectly fine. Perhaps all right there he goes, Shook
Speaker 1: off to now defend Manuel Noriega on Twitter this seven
Speaker 1: and a nice doesn't know who there he goes off
Speaker 1: to the gym. Get that pump in? Is that a
Speaker 1: Taska soapo refer in a big spot back and buy
Speaker 1: his day? What if after all this time Shooks actually
Speaker 1: just been wearing one of those gigantic like halloween asque
Speaker 1: like bodies that you blow up and he has his
Speaker 1: actual body. Is like Mike Lennon esk, sure that would
Speaker 1: be awesome. I wouldn't say it would be like the
Speaker 1: biggest NFL scandal of the year, but it would be
Speaker 1: up there. It would rock the news room. Maybe the
Speaker 1: thing is NFL scandal of this room for sure. Let's
Speaker 1: move on, mat Bosher to pump, right to left, Jeremy
Speaker 1: curly return, Aman staff shot in the air, directionally wobbling
Speaker 1: to the far side, hard backpedal, retreating and losing the football.
Speaker 1: The fift eight Falcons falling upon it currently lost the ball,
Speaker 1: the Falcons pounds a yard line a giant special team
Speaker 1: staff food. Alright, that was w ZG with the call.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Curly's fourth quarter fumble sucked the light out of
Speaker 1: the medal ends and led to the insurance points. The
Speaker 1: Falcons needed U twenty win for Atlanta, which snapped a
Speaker 1: three game losing streak. The Jets, meanwhile, they've lost for
Speaker 1: the third time in as many weeks. And um, we'll
Speaker 1: start with the Falcons. They are the winners, and uh,
Speaker 1: not a perfect effort by any stretch, and the only
Speaker 1: reason they won this game, and it was this game
Speaker 1: also in a very soggy day across the east coast
Speaker 1: of this country, reigning the entire game, pouring for for
Speaker 1: large swats of the game. But I will say this, Um,
Speaker 1: of the swats of the game, Um, Matt Ryan lost
Speaker 1: three fumble in this game, two turnovers, a failed two
Speaker 1: point conversion attempt. And I don't want to be too negative,
Speaker 1: but Austin Cooper dropped a short touchdown. They had six
Speaker 1: red zone trips and had two touchdowns. They had a
Speaker 1: punt return touchdown wiped out by a penalty still they
Speaker 1: were good enough to beat the Jets because the Jets
Speaker 1: are uh just good enough to lose every week. I
Speaker 1: think the Jets are the um best bad team in
Speaker 1: the league and the Falcons are the worst good team
Speaker 1: in the league. When those two teams square off, what
Speaker 1: happens and narrow win for the worst good team. That's
Speaker 1: what happened today. I couldn't have said it any better.
Speaker 1: The announcer used the term snaffhoo, and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys know what it stands for, but it reminds me
Speaker 1: when I once was at a wedding and quiz. My
Speaker 1: friend and I quizzed roughly a hundred and twenty people
Speaker 1: if they knew what IBM stood for. I thought nine
Speaker 1: would know, and roughly maybe thirty people knew what IBM
Speaker 1: stood for, which was stunning. I b M is not
Speaker 1: I've been moved a old IBM Dad's would use back
Speaker 1: in the day. Your dad is an IBM and they
Speaker 1: would move you all around the country all the time.
Speaker 1: So your dad worked there he did for a stretch.
Speaker 1: Is it like integrated business movements or something? I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you. I don't, I don't care, but like I'm
Speaker 1: wrong yes or no, I'm not gonna say so anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Falcons were sloppy, but they were good enough. In fact,
Speaker 1: this is the first international business machine, which is I
Speaker 1: didn't know, which is a clunky name for a company clunky.
Speaker 1: Uh so the Yeah, the Falcon's inn play a perfect game.
Speaker 1: That the Jets are they'll just drive you nuts. I
Speaker 1: mean at one point in the game you were like,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite bad Jets team ever. I feel
Speaker 1: like they have got even though you're you're at peace
Speaker 1: with like, Okay, they're not going to be a playoff
Speaker 1: team this year. Necessarily, they keep getting your hopes that
Speaker 1: the fact that they're losing from a head each week
Speaker 1: is frustrating. Yeah, it's certainly frustrating. It has reached the
Speaker 1: point though where you kind of feel it coming because
Speaker 1: they've now take can leads in four straight games and
Speaker 1: lost the last three and had a gift to win
Speaker 1: in overtime against Jacksonville. Uh so they just had there's
Speaker 1: something going on. Um, I think our boy um Johnny
Speaker 1: Morton has done a nice job on balance as their
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. They've scored a touchdown for the third straight
Speaker 1: week in their first possession, which speaks to, you know,
Speaker 1: the scripted plays and and they're doing something right in
Speaker 1: terms of studying their opponents and and finding the right plays.
Speaker 1: Josh McCown continues to look very good in spurts, but
Speaker 1: in the second half for the third straight week. And
Speaker 1: now why their season is essentially close to over now
Speaker 1: is they have no idea how to close out a game.
Speaker 1: The defense is what it is. The defense can have moments,
Speaker 1: but is not not a great unit by any stretch
Speaker 1: um despite there being some players that can that are
Speaker 1: really promising. The offense is dying out in the second half.
Speaker 1: And Matt and Forte, he was not a guy that's
Speaker 1: known to complain, Uh, did complain after this game. He
Speaker 1: only had four carries. Uh, And he said, in a
Speaker 1: pouring rainstorm, why am I only getting four carries? Which
Speaker 1: is a fair thing to say, saying that the plan
Speaker 1: was to to run the ball more and they went
Speaker 1: away from it. They did a lot of passing in
Speaker 1: that in those conditions, and and that's that's the struggle
Speaker 1: with the Jets right now, closing games. They still can't
Speaker 1: do it. I'm not giving up on the Falcons, though
Speaker 1: they needed a game like this. I know It's not
Speaker 1: like a huge comeback win, but they were down. It's
Speaker 1: on the road, it's bad weather, They're not They're not
Speaker 1: great right now, but they have a running game and
Speaker 1: they have a roster. I think that if a few
Speaker 1: things can go right, that their season can turn around.
Speaker 1: But they got to find a way to win some
Speaker 1: of these ugly games in the middle, and well, until
Speaker 1: they do, they have the Panthers, the Cowboys, and the
Speaker 1: Seahawks next, I mean the Falcons. Something just has seemed
Speaker 1: off from the start. And yet you're exactly right in
Speaker 1: that division in the NFC, they have time to fix it.
Speaker 1: And as for as great as the Jets, But like
Speaker 1: in all these games where they blow the lead, they
Speaker 1: get outgained significantly. Not in in all of these games
Speaker 1: the other team has outgained them, and it's probably deserved
Speaker 1: to win. It's not. It's not like that that they've
Speaker 1: had bad luck or anything. That's why I've never been
Speaker 1: sucked in if you watched them on a snap a
Speaker 1: snap base, as they are a very flawed team. And
Speaker 1: he's shot to beat the Bills on Thursday night, where's
Speaker 1: the game it is in New York? I have a shot, sure,
Speaker 1: is New York big home field advantage for the Jets
Speaker 1: right now, I'm just asking. I don't yes, compared to
Speaker 1: their road I don't think they have a home problem,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing going on there just isn't his you know.
Speaker 1: So let's let's see what Keith Hans has had to
Speaker 1: say about this Jets loss. Keith a very hopeful Jet fan,
Speaker 1: my dad. But the losses and the manner of the losses,
Speaker 1: it's gonna start grinding on my old man. I know
Speaker 1: it now. His name is Keith. He's danced. He'll doubt
Speaker 1: about it. He's a big Jets fan. Well does he
Speaker 1: go to say game? To say? Well, does he go
Speaker 1: to Jeff Falcon's game? Today? Another frustrating loss as a
Speaker 1: Jet fan to watch the Jets come out and be
Speaker 1: very strong offensively again and then just fade again totally. Um.
Speaker 1: It was just just another example of the team that
Speaker 1: shows that it can win, but then in a long run,
Speaker 1: when it comes down to making the big plays at
Speaker 1: the end, the biggest thing that comes down is that
Speaker 1: they just cannot finish, which is frustrating watching this team. Uh.
Speaker 1: I know they're young, but still it's another game that
Speaker 1: was winnable and another tough loss. It's a weird season,
Speaker 1: but at least they're making the games entertaining. They're not
Speaker 1: embarrassing themselves. But it could be fresh. There were weeks
Speaker 1: that we were a little shorthanded on the on the
Speaker 1: news side downstairs, Would your dad be interested in maybe
Speaker 1: writing a few Jets recaps. I really enjoy his his analysis.
Speaker 1: He's retired, and I think one of the things about
Speaker 1: being retired that's really beneficial is you don't have to
Speaker 1: work anymore. So I don't think he's gonna do that.
Speaker 1: That doesn't but that's very kind of you to reach
Speaker 1: out to Keith, and I will talk to him privately.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Alan angles the punt right and left
Speaker 1: for the sideline drop by back returns for the end.
Speaker 1: On the Patriots call, it appears is rolling that he
Speaker 1: got out sence as Brandon Kang and Matthews layer, we're down.
Speaker 1: Benjamin curling to the right side, dropped the poll and
Speaker 1: he circled back and he's tackled for a safety. Stupid
Speaker 1: is what stupid does. What the hell just happened? The
Speaker 1: well that that was stupid is what stupid does. I
Speaker 1: guess if if you have a punt return that's returned
Speaker 1: into the end zone for a safety, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a weird call. That does happened too often in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was bizarre is that Zolak was. He's
Speaker 1: popping off, failing himself. It sounds like Bernie Kozar during
Speaker 1: a preseason No, no, no, he is much more organized
Speaker 1: than Scott Zolak. Hey Zolak pulled together? Stupid is you know,
Speaker 1: calm down, buddy, that's on my radar. That was That
Speaker 1: was maybe one of the the ugliest special teams plays
Speaker 1: of the right. I'm not It's not too often you
Speaker 1: see a punt returner run backwards ten yards and take
Speaker 1: a safety. That's a that's that's experience I have never
Speaker 1: I would like to see the stats on that, but
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that's that's happened too often in NFL history.
Speaker 1: He might have set the record for running backwards on
Speaker 1: a punt return before experienced pun returner too. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he really must trust his ability to have you know,
Speaker 1: escaped that jam and it didn't happen. You know what
Speaker 1: else doesn't happen often? A professional broadcaster calling a player stupid.
Speaker 1: I hear you. Stupid is what stupid does. Where's the
Speaker 1: race as I need my radar back where as stupid
Speaker 1: does he's officially eleven yards. He that he ran backwards.
Speaker 1: Give me my radar, lindsay you're on the radar. It
Speaker 1: shows some respects, like he's been on your radar for
Speaker 1: like roughly half a decade. But on balance, I liked
Speaker 1: all actypically. But you know, anyway, Tom Brady through for
Speaker 1: three and thirty three yards and a touchdown. Uh. And
Speaker 1: the Patriots, with the help of uh Travis Benjamin, Uh,
Speaker 1: they got win over the Chargers at Foxboro Mark. The
Speaker 1: Pats offense was not instellar form on Sunday, but again
Speaker 1: the defense rose to the occasion. Yeah, the defense played
Speaker 1: a nice game. And I had to give the Chargers
Speaker 1: defense credit to because there were multiple moments, especially towards
Speaker 1: the end of the first half, where I thought they
Speaker 1: had fifteen points in the second quarter, New England are
Speaker 1: up fifteen and seven, that they're gonna blow this game
Speaker 1: wide open, and Los Angeles found a way to hold
Speaker 1: them to field goals down the stretch. Only six points
Speaker 1: in the second half for the Patriots and Stephen Donkowski
Speaker 1: so reliable, typically kept this thing close with two botched
Speaker 1: field goals of his own the start of last season.
Speaker 1: He's a heath an average. His career is essentially about
Speaker 1: to end. I think, is what what what we're trying
Speaker 1: to tell you? But no, I mean it's it's this
Speaker 1: was just the Patriots scramble recovery. No. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I'm pff on this guy's kicker kicking this season.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, he's Yeah, he's been not
Speaker 1: too good. I'm just saying he's he's on Patriots fans radars.
Speaker 1: To put it a different way, I like what New
Speaker 1: England did in this game. Yeah, they had a nice
Speaker 1: game today, It really did so. But this reminded me
Speaker 1: a little bit of how New England attacks Seattle and
Speaker 1: their pass rush out of the gate in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl two Super bowls ago, when they three Super Bowls ago,
Speaker 1: when they basically used their running backs to a high
Speaker 1: degree on quick release things to to to kind of
Speaker 1: offset Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram who did there. Brady
Speaker 1: was under a lot of heat, but he showed once
Speaker 1: again with his footwork and he kind of can obviously
Speaker 1: just sort of see stuff coming from behind him. He
Speaker 1: evaded what I think another quarterback would have taken a
Speaker 1: lot more punishment than he did well this game. And
Speaker 1: really this trend for the Patriots is now not just
Speaker 1: one week. I think they're trying to play complementary football
Speaker 1: by controlling the ball. They had what fifty plays in
Speaker 1: the first half something like that can end up with
Speaker 1: over eighty plays, and they're trying to play complementary football
Speaker 1: where you where you keep that defense off the field.
Speaker 1: And it kind of reminded me of the a f
Speaker 1: C Championship game with the Chargers where it felt like
Speaker 1: it was really one sided and that the Patriots should
Speaker 1: have control. It was almost the exact same final score,
Speaker 1: but in the end, the Chargers are in that game
Speaker 1: to the very end, and Philip Rivers, you know, gets
Speaker 1: the ball with a chance to try to win it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one difference for me because I think last few weeks
Speaker 1: we've seen that was two thousand eight a f C Championship.
Speaker 1: For your young listeners, way back, we get that ever
Speaker 1: existed Hunter Henry who has been so involved in late
Speaker 1: two catches for eleven yards, like that to me when
Speaker 1: they when without him being sort of an integral part
Speaker 1: of the game. They lost out through the air. But
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon had the best game of his of his
Speaker 1: whole season today when you know eight it was eight
Speaker 1: seven yard touchdown right out of the gate, which is
Speaker 1: a franchise heard in a career long for him. But
Speaker 1: they this offense to just I don't know. This has
Speaker 1: got to be another You want to talk about Jets
Speaker 1: losing in a way, the Jets lose. This is another
Speaker 1: Los Angeles defeat where they could have pulled this thing
Speaker 1: off had things been a little bit different on the stretch.
Speaker 1: I am that this was well, this was a lock
Speaker 1: that I lost, But I don't feel I'm proud that
Speaker 1: I picked I went this way because it almost happened.
Speaker 1: Are you proud? You know they didn't even cover here?
Speaker 1: Look at they didn't cover What do you mean coming
Speaker 1: I don't remember themselves in glory? Yeah, according to the league,
Speaker 1: I don't operate on that front. Slipping back into the abyss,
Speaker 1: I could feel it. We need to talk to after
Speaker 1: the show, um, one guy. I want to just mention
Speaker 1: real quick they get saved for Thursday. I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Keenan Allen not having a
Speaker 1: big impact on this team this year, who was basically
Speaker 1: uncoverable when he wasn't injured, finally healthy now for half
Speaker 1: the season and is not putting up near the same
Speaker 1: production with a healthy Philip Rivers. I'm just so surprised
Speaker 1: about It's interesting. And they're a team I expected to
Speaker 1: have so many different ways to attack you that they
Speaker 1: could be different, you know, each and every week, and
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not really a dangerous offense. And whereas
Speaker 1: the Patriots, you know, I know they're not quite at
Speaker 1: two thousand, seventeen or sixteen levels, but it's like some
Speaker 1: weeks they can come out like this and James White
Speaker 1: and Rex Burkhead can combine for twelve catches in a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards and that's their offense, and it's
Speaker 1: like they can hit you different ways. The twenty seven
Speaker 1: first downs that is kind of vinage Patriots in terms
Speaker 1: of moving it up and down the field. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: move on empty backfield, shotgun, snap upa or and he
Speaker 1: runs it in for a Cincinnati touchdown and w E
Speaker 1: b N with amazing play. Can I just hear the
Speaker 1: color guys are actually get that? Guys the master of
Speaker 1: his domain line. That lineman Carlos dune Lap, he knocked
Speaker 1: Jake Briskets passing there, grabbed it, took it to the
Speaker 1: end zone sixteen yards. Uh and it was a game
Speaker 1: changing touchdown just being that guy rally rallying the Bengals
Speaker 1: to win over the Indianapolis Cults. Mark Uh. Cincinnati averted
Speaker 1: disaster at home to keep themselves in the a f
Speaker 1: C playoff picture at the midway point. I can't quite
Speaker 1: understand what those those commentators are so excited about watching
Speaker 1: this Bengals team, because, well, that was a great play
Speaker 1: the micro level, that's fine to win the game in
Speaker 1: the fourth. I'm just saying, this Bengals team, to me,
Speaker 1: barely outlasted a dead on arrival Cults operation. And I
Speaker 1: cannot take Andy Dalton and the Bengals seriously anymore this season.
Speaker 1: They go on the road for the next three weeks
Speaker 1: and they're gonna come back out of the playoff picture entirely.
Speaker 1: This was a game that simply was about which quarterback
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton or Jacobe Prisette is going to make the
Speaker 1: key era at the end of the game. That's all
Speaker 1: I came down to. This was a. This was not
Speaker 1: an inspiring win for the Bengals. I don't care what
Speaker 1: anyone says. Mark is the sport of footballs on your
Speaker 1: radar right now. Football did some good things today the Bengals.
Speaker 1: You know, as you were, you were really hoping the
Speaker 1: Bengals were gonna lose. You wanted to bury them their
Speaker 1: division rival, and you wanted to just say, hey, let's
Speaker 1: cross them. Offers not a division rival. It's we're at
Speaker 1: the time of year where if you're a pretender, get
Speaker 1: out I can't deal with. And had they lost this game,
Speaker 1: it would have been one another another nail in the grave.
Speaker 1: This is to this team is not this team is
Speaker 1: going nowhere. I love mid season Mark, because the league
Speaker 1: is it is a tad water down and this Bengals
Speaker 1: team that's still mathematically hanging around their three and four
Speaker 1: I will not tolerate them again. Does that mean I
Speaker 1: will not cover them again this season? You're not putting them.
Speaker 1: It was this game that I had to watch on
Speaker 1: the background while the Patriots Chargers game was on, and
Speaker 1: it was an eyesore. Alex uh Wow. It's it's troubling
Speaker 1: that they could that they were out gained and maybe
Speaker 1: out played for both of the game by the Colts
Speaker 1: and and surprising they are in a position where who
Speaker 1: knows if they can play better. But Joe mix and
Speaker 1: eleven carries eighteen yards is kind of an answer. And
Speaker 1: he had a huge catch and made a big difference
Speaker 1: as a receiver. That was play right, That was a
Speaker 1: terrific play. But it kind of is an answer to
Speaker 1: the people who have been saying, like you just got
Speaker 1: to hand it over to to Mixing, like their their
Speaker 1: problems on offense, start up front, whether it's the running
Speaker 1: game or the passing game, like those are the problems.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was very fitting that this game
Speaker 1: essentially ended with Jake Briskett, you know who I love,
Speaker 1: but holding the ball a little too long on a
Speaker 1: fourth down, you know, play before getting rid of it,
Speaker 1: you know, And because that that has been the problem
Speaker 1: for him, and and I do wonder if this team
Speaker 1: is gonna be a little different next week. The Colts
Speaker 1: think they could be a team that could be trading
Speaker 1: one last thing, your boy, Frank Gore, nice game, Frankie,
Speaker 1: He's he's, he's he's close to five yards to carry
Speaker 1: over the last month, Mark and Mark, I believe you
Speaker 1: have one more common about Cincinnati. Well, Marvin Lewis, who
Speaker 1: is an idiot. Let's move on Stewart in the backfield,
Speaker 1: tight line splits. Newton turns hands to Stewart, who leaps touchdown.
Speaker 1: Yes he did, Yes he did. Indeed, Cam Newton three
Speaker 1: through for a hundred fifty four yards UH touchdown to
Speaker 1: Calvin Benjamin. Jonathan Stewart had a touchdown. The Panthers defense
Speaker 1: did the rest a seven team three win over the
Speaker 1: sleepwalking Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Sunday in Tampa. Gentlemen, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, Let's let the Tampa Bay Bucks.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the Panthers in a second. Let the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers be the latest and perhaps strongest reminder
Speaker 1: not to fall for the hard knocks team. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying the season's over, but at the midway point
Speaker 1: for them, they're three games bad of the Saints. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the midway point of the season. I know they
Speaker 1: played seven games because they had the week went by. Um,
Speaker 1: they got a big fat f from me in terms
Speaker 1: of UH expectations. Uh, in terms of everything we thought
Speaker 1: we knew about kind of the the chemistry and the
Speaker 1: vibe around that team and hard knocks. It was all
Speaker 1: kumbai yah in August, and now everybody's upset about something.
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston had a really bad game, uh today and
Speaker 1: and and what was an important game? I thought, Greg
Speaker 1: because and I'll point to one one sequence that happened
Speaker 1: in the second half. Um, the Bucks have their backs
Speaker 1: against the wall. I wish I could tell you the
Speaker 1: exact score, but I could tell you that, Uh, Winston
Speaker 1: missus an open Mike Evans streaking down the sideline would
Speaker 1: have been a touchdown. This is that pass, and then
Speaker 1: the next play throws it over the middle, sales it
Speaker 1: over his intended receiver. Luke Kickley intercepts it. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking myself, that was the most important possession of
Speaker 1: the season for Tampa and the quarterback could not have
Speaker 1: come up any more small. Uh. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: the state of the Bucks right now, a team with
Speaker 1: a lot of potential but not even coming close to
Speaker 1: reaching that potential. And the standings tell the story well.
Speaker 1: Kurt Dirk Cutter had an interesting week where he insisted
Speaker 1: to the media that Jamis Winston suffered no setback despite
Speaker 1: sitting him for the first two practices. The week this
Speaker 1: week where then he was on a serious show on
Speaker 1: Friday night and he admitted that Jamis Winston reinjured his
Speaker 1: shoulder against the Bill. So I'm not saying that is
Speaker 1: explains away the Bucks season obviously doesn't. Winston played great
Speaker 1: last week, but his shoulder, I don't know if today
Speaker 1: was a problem. He certainly wasn't throwing it very accurately today.
Speaker 1: And this was the type of game where the thing
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me was Mike Evans after the
Speaker 1: game saying we're not as good as we thought, Like
Speaker 1: this is what we keep hearing about the books, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's two thousand seventeen, Like our team
Speaker 1: is really falling for the their own like preseason hype
Speaker 1: that much. The Giants have been saying this too, that
Speaker 1: like we're not as good as we thought we were.
Speaker 1: We thought we were great. We thought all the preseason
Speaker 1: height meant something. By the way, when we say the
Speaker 1: Bucks may not be done well, they have a long
Speaker 1: way to go. There's only one team, and that's the
Speaker 1: Giants in the NFC with fewer wins right, and there's
Speaker 1: three teams in their division that are above five hundred,
Speaker 1: including a five and two Saints teams, so it's a
Speaker 1: long it's a long climb out And on the Panthers side,
Speaker 1: they had a nice drive early in the game. Didn't
Speaker 1: do a ton on offense, but didn't really need to.
Speaker 1: And you know, shout out to their defense, who once
Speaker 1: again are looking good. Yes, they lost seventeen three last week,
Speaker 1: they won seventeen three this week, but they only gave
Speaker 1: up three points on defense last week. There were two
Speaker 1: defensive scores that that submarine them in that game. So
Speaker 1: the defense is playing great. Um, so that's not what
Speaker 1: their problem is. And they still seem to be Carolina
Speaker 1: despite them being up and down. The team with to
Speaker 1: me that has the highest ceiling in that division. I
Speaker 1: think New Orleans agamma run for their money, but we're
Speaker 1: just not used to seeing that from the Saints. But
Speaker 1: the Panthers, like, I mean, they've had some they've had
Speaker 1: some rough weeks, and somehow they sit at five and
Speaker 1: three right now, so they're totally in the picture. And
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart didn't really run like they still didn't have
Speaker 1: a running game like that. The second they have a
Speaker 1: running game, then I'll start buying them. Is that going
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know. I mean, you never know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like it's gonna happen, not right now anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, Mark, Um, you have some dad work to do,
Speaker 1: that's correct? Yes, is daddy ever coming back? Yeah? It
Speaker 1: is my child Luke's seventh birthday. Did celebrate it a
Speaker 1: bit yesterday? Seven years old old? Where does the time go? Mark? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it goes quickly. I don't even if
Speaker 1: I could answer that question I could. What did you
Speaker 1: do to celebrate? On Saturday? Went out to brunch, opened
Speaker 1: up about forty eight boxes of Legos that arrived in
Speaker 1: the mail from various family and individuals, and numbers and
Speaker 1: uh cake and lots of sweets and so what this
Speaker 1: was in a situation because your son's I'm not sure
Speaker 1: which one actually pressed the button. They famously once ordered
Speaker 1: they goes through Amazon on their own somehow through yet
Speaker 1: click ordering. It was amazing. Yes, they had credible iPad
Speaker 1: skills and somehow ordered a I guess sort of a
Speaker 1: non registered kind of no longer sold Ghostbusters Haunted House
Speaker 1: that cost four hundred and seventy dollars and it showed
Speaker 1: up at our house and We were totally stunned. They
Speaker 1: almost pulled it off. They almost did it. Who is
Speaker 1: Luke the ring leader with the iPad? Or they equal
Speaker 1: parts like criminal parts. It's Ebb and flow scenario. Very interesting.
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, Well, you do your dad? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Prioritized family over the podcast again for the final eight
Speaker 1: minutes of their of their being awake today, I will
Speaker 1: suddenly be in the picture, all right by Mark Well?
Speaker 1: All right, before we get to the last game, I
Speaker 1: have a question, Greg, Wow waiting to hear this one.
Speaker 1: Was it a comeback? Is that the question? That's what Mark? No,
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Speaker 1: stands in the sam zone. We're two projectives. He's back,
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Speaker 1: to run. Sir foot Price thirty five thirty Steelers touchdown
Speaker 1: yards officially nineties seven yards. Jujuice Smith Schuster with the
Speaker 1: play of the game. His touchdown in the third quarter
Speaker 1: gave the Pittsburgh Steelers all the points they would need
Speaker 1: on Sunday in Detroit, a win over the Lions, who
Speaker 1: just have to be sick uh in the locker room
Speaker 1: right now, Greg Rosenthal, because they had five opportunities in
Speaker 1: the red zone against the Steelers, Uh tonight in their
Speaker 1: building in a very important game, and scored zero count
Speaker 1: of zero touchdowns. They had four hundred and eighty two
Speaker 1: yards in this game that when you see a number
Speaker 1: like that, you're thinking teams in the thirties, maybe the forties.
Speaker 1: You only end up with fifteen points. That's the third
Speaker 1: most yards by an offense in NFL history without a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And this dying season would be so different if they
Speaker 1: could pick up a second one or a third and one.
Speaker 1: This is not a one game problem. This has been
Speaker 1: a season long problem. They'd have two or three more
Speaker 1: wins if they could do it. Oh my goodness. I
Speaker 1: mean Matthew Stafford, He's now done this twice in his career,
Speaker 1: which is insane. He's thrown for four hundred yards and
Speaker 1: not a touchdown. Four hundred and twenty three yards. He
Speaker 1: averaged nine point four yards per attempt. Uh, he did
Speaker 1: not throw an interception, drop some dimes tonight, some very
Speaker 1: nice passage. He was certainly not the problem. But you know,
Speaker 1: and the thing I was thinking Greg, and we talked
Speaker 1: about it while we're watching this game. There's you could
Speaker 1: point to any of those red zone possessions that were
Speaker 1: kind of a mess. And the one while I'll go
Speaker 1: with here is the last one where they had a
Speaker 1: chance to take the lead late in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: It's first and ten from I believe, either eleven or twelve,
Speaker 1: and they get it down, you know, inside the five,
Speaker 1: and then it's third down, and then it's fourth down,
Speaker 1: and you're looking at you're looking at that roster and
Speaker 1: you're saying, all right, who's gonna step up and make
Speaker 1: the play. They have some nice players on that roster,
Speaker 1: skill player, but there's nobody that I really trust in
Speaker 1: that spot. And as much as the running games a
Speaker 1: problem to me, a true lack of a number one receiver,
Speaker 1: that's a big issue too. That that's a huge problem.
Speaker 1: Cal friend Kevin Patra, you know, famous Lions fan. He
Speaker 1: says they lost because Jim Bob called the horrific game
Speaker 1: in the red zone. I think that's part of it,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it is they can't run the
Speaker 1: ball straight ahead to pick up a yard or two,
Speaker 1: and you just need to be able to do that
Speaker 1: as a team. And you gotta give some love to
Speaker 1: the Steelers. For instance, on that last fourth down, they
Speaker 1: only rushed three and Shazir I believe it was rushing
Speaker 1: up the middle and dupri on the left side made
Speaker 1: Stafford get rid of the ball. And when when you're
Speaker 1: dropping eight like that, the best you're hoping for is
Speaker 1: just to waste a lot of time and kind of
Speaker 1: improvise and someone gets open late, and they made sure
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. So on a bad day in theory
Speaker 1: for the Steelers defense, they made all the big place.
Speaker 1: And there's been some talk out there that perhaps the
Speaker 1: Steelers are too reliant on uh they're two big playmakers,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and Levy on Bell. Uh. So consider this
Speaker 1: a good sign that not a great left Bell game,
Speaker 1: who had seven more touches but didn't really do much,
Speaker 1: did score a touchdown. But Juju Smith Schuster, the guy
Speaker 1: that just seems to be in the middle of everything.
Speaker 1: And you know, Martavis Bryant, uh inactive in this game,
Speaker 1: is sick watching Juju go for ninety seven yards and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. And then I have a whole choreographed act
Speaker 1: on the sideline which I loved with putting the chain
Speaker 1: on the bike and having having fun all all of
Speaker 1: the teammates. He locked it up in a big spot.
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster first seven he sure did so. Juju Smith
Speaker 1: Schuster going seven for one? How about that? Um so? Uh?
Speaker 1: He almost he almost doubled this total yard is for
Speaker 1: the season. It feels like Juju Smith Schuster has been
Speaker 1: everywhere because we were you know, he's gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of run here with this bike routine, with the mark
Speaker 1: Tavis Bryant back and forth. It's like Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: it's all about him right now in Pittsburgh. And the
Speaker 1: only ad about two yards going into this game. He's
Speaker 1: a fun player to watch. And Antonio Brown, you know
Speaker 1: that's getting at him too, He's like, how much? How
Speaker 1: come my bits aren't getting traction like that? And one
Speaker 1: one last note from me, greg Um, I have I
Speaker 1: had a legitimate Sessler. Sometimes we we joke around on
Speaker 1: the show about having Sessler's or we don't actually have
Speaker 1: I had a legitimate Sessler. A vision even of Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster that first Sunday in February in Minneapolis, right
Speaker 1: in that now famous bike on the field with confetti everywhere,
Speaker 1: and his team or teammates all wearing white T shirts
Speaker 1: and caps, and all the NFL film crew following Juju
Speaker 1: on his bike. After of course he has a nice
Speaker 1: game there, two scores, a touchdown, and a Steelers super
Speaker 1: Bowl win. Just just a Sessler had checks out for me.
Speaker 1: You've been telling me all season, Oh well, I even
Speaker 1: play out the season the Patriots will end up there. Well.
Speaker 1: I had the Steelers in the super Bowl going into
Speaker 1: this season, and their previous two games I thought were
Speaker 1: the most impressive two games by any a f C
Speaker 1: team all season, back to back. And they're not gonna
Speaker 1: be that good every week. In the end, they get
Speaker 1: a road win here to put them at six and two.
Speaker 1: They're in a great, great position right now in the
Speaker 1: f C. I didn't believe until I have that vision everything.
Speaker 1: Now you're on board. All right. That's it for the
Speaker 1: Sunday edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. We'll be
Speaker 1: back on Tuesday with our next show. And as we
Speaker 1: teased or revealed in our mail bag last Tuesday, we
Speaker 1: are gonna stick a fork in some teams and that's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. Greg, It's not gonna be I know
Speaker 1: you're not looking forward to because it's a tough assignment,
Speaker 1: especially in a strange, topsy turvy season such as this. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm all about you know, unpredictable, unpredictability raining. You know that,
Speaker 1: you know you never count out anything. I'm not counting
Speaker 1: out this Lions team just because they're three and four. Alright,
Speaker 1: I like it. So Mark will be back, Uh, Connie
Speaker 1: Fox will be with us, and we'll have a good time.
Speaker 1: So thank you everybody for listening. Uh. That is it
Speaker 1: for today's show, And with that, the stand hands signing
Speaker 1: off for Mark Sesler, the Sizzler in absentia, Uh, the
Speaker 1: old Boss Lindsay Foulton behind the glass. We will see
Speaker 1: you Tuesday, m