Speaker 1: Must old play fag gonna roll west walking. Now he's
Speaker 1: gonna roll back to the white side, still looking hero
Speaker 1: West looks now he grows downfield like Catt We trying
Speaker 1: to figure nine? Are you Steve rabel k I r
Speaker 1: O with the call? If Russell Wilson continues his career
Speaker 1: trajectory and ends up in the Hall of Fame one day,
Speaker 1: they will play that pass, that that escape, that completion
Speaker 1: to Doug Baldwin, the most important play of the game
Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks on Thursday Night football. Here in
Speaker 1: week ten, Ay two to sixteen win over the Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 1: but a costly win for the Seahawks. Dan Hans is
Speaker 1: here along with a great Mark Sessler. What's up, Sizzler?
Speaker 1: How are you? We watched the rest of this game,
Speaker 1: of the second half of this game together, I should say.
Speaker 1: And right after we met, the play occurred. Richard Sherman
Speaker 1: going down. He had been on the injury report with
Speaker 1: an achilles injury, and it came full circle. It looks like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know the full report, but it looked like
Speaker 1: he mouthed the words I tore it, I tore it,
Speaker 1: And that is a devastating blow. If you look at
Speaker 1: the statistics about how the legionna boob and what's left
Speaker 1: of it. When they're together, their record is pristine as
Speaker 1: a team, the whole team, and when one even one
Speaker 1: of them is missing, whether it's Earl Thomas or Sherman
Speaker 1: or Cam Chancellor, everything starts to spin down and crumble
Speaker 1: out from there. Yeah, to see to lose Sherman, uh,
Speaker 1: And it certainly looks at this time like they have
Speaker 1: his body language and all that. Uh would be crushing
Speaker 1: for this team already playing without Earl Thomas. And we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens to the Seahawks long term. It really
Speaker 1: could be um a crushing blow, just like all these
Speaker 1: other huge injuries. He's that much of an important part
Speaker 1: of that team. They did get the job done in
Speaker 1: this game. This was an interest game in the sense
Speaker 1: that it was a long game. Yes, it went on
Speaker 1: and on, and there were injuries, and they were penalties
Speaker 1: and and some it was just a sloppy game. I
Speaker 1: didn't think it would ever end. The Cardinals showed up
Speaker 1: to play, and I know the Cardinals are not a
Speaker 1: good team and they're probably not going to be playing
Speaker 1: meaningful January football, but they came to play, especially on defense.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, with Drew Stanton
Speaker 1: involved and Chris Collins with did a nice job calling
Speaker 1: it out. Um, he missed some throws that if he
Speaker 1: just hits on some of these, Let's be honest, in
Speaker 1: this game, gimme throws for a quarterback, a proficient quarterback,
Speaker 1: this game might be totally different. But Stanton couldn't get
Speaker 1: the job done. And you wonder how much longer, uh,
Speaker 1: Bruce arians is gonna go with it. I don't get
Speaker 1: why they don't put Blaine Gabbert, a more athletic quarterback
Speaker 1: who extends plays, who can do stuff with his feet.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's Blaine Gabbert. But it's not the Jacksonville
Speaker 1: Jaguars version of Blaine Gabbert. He has been much better. Uh,
Speaker 1: he looked great in the preseason. He certainly looked better
Speaker 1: than Drew Stanton. And you know, so when you lose
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman. The Seahawks have Shack Griffin who looks very good,
Speaker 1: a young, good, young rookie cornerback. And you've got Jeremy Lane.
Speaker 1: But how do we know tonight what that really means?
Speaker 1: When you've got standing missing receivers by ten fifteen yards.
Speaker 1: It was an abysmal offensive performance and bottom line, if
Speaker 1: you're if you have any shot, and it came last
Speaker 1: week for the Cardinals, you need Adrian Peterson and Agan
Speaker 1: running back to unleash for you. Tonight twenty one carries,
Speaker 1: twenty nine yards and a lost fumble on the very
Speaker 1: first possession that I think you just can't make those
Speaker 1: mistakes like that early against the Seahawks. He it's it's
Speaker 1: good that he got out of New Orleans because that
Speaker 1: just was a bad fit from day one. But he's
Speaker 1: just as awkward to fit in Arizona. I know he's
Speaker 1: had two good games, but in general, he's stuck on
Speaker 1: a bad team where he's supposed to be the bell
Speaker 1: cow of that offensive and everything just kind of feels
Speaker 1: a little bit depressing about it. Um. So the Cardinals
Speaker 1: they are what they are. I think you could stick
Speaker 1: a fork and the personally, um and we're gonna see
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen to the Seahawks, who who again got
Speaker 1: great play from Russell Wilson. I mean that play that
Speaker 1: you heard at the top when he spun away from
Speaker 1: the pass rush. You get used to it with him,
Speaker 1: but that play in particular, it was so special. And
Speaker 1: then to find Doug Baldwin the way he did that
Speaker 1: set up the score of the second touchdown to Jimmy Graham, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, to me, now he's back. In terms
Speaker 1: of who are the best red zone tight ends in
Speaker 1: the NFL, I think you put him in Gronk one too.
Speaker 1: However older you want probably Gronk one. But I think
Speaker 1: Graham in the past six games or so is back
Speaker 1: to being that type of red zone threat. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: using him that way. And in the second touchdown he
Speaker 1: had is what you used to see with the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints where they would just allow him to go
Speaker 1: one on one with obviously a smaller cover man and
Speaker 1: he would just rest the ball away and like a
Speaker 1: that he was just pure power on that second touchdown,
Speaker 1: and what a win. The Seahawks could not have dropped tonight.
Speaker 1: They go to six and three. But listen to what's
Speaker 1: happening with their schedule next week is a Falcons team
Speaker 1: that we feel is vulnerable, and then you have the
Speaker 1: forty nine. Say that's schedules easy, But then it goes
Speaker 1: to the Eagles. The Jaguar ares the Rams and the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So it is a tough it's sort of a playoff
Speaker 1: stretch drive for them right in the middle of November
Speaker 1: and December before we throw it back to the rest
Speaker 1: of the guys, including our friend Chris Westling, who's with
Speaker 1: us or I just want to say sometimes on these
Speaker 1: Thursday games, I'm in a car, I'm driving to the office.
Speaker 1: Uh So instead of watching the CBS telecast, I'll be
Speaker 1: listening to on my serious package the local radio calls.
Speaker 1: I was listening to the Cardinals local call on what
Speaker 1: is it? Uh m V p k m V p
Speaker 1: Ron wolf Lee, Ron Wolfle, you were doing the same
Speaker 1: thing I was. We were listening and uh and Mark,
Speaker 1: I'll let you set this up because before we throw
Speaker 1: it to the guys. Uh Ron Wolfley, he's a king
Speaker 1: and we're gonna christ went off. We will And what
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley who who I remember from when I was
Speaker 1: very much younger, and he was a fullback for multiple teams.
Speaker 1: So what was the brown seed? A famous quote he said,
Speaker 1: if you need a yard, I'll get you a yard,
Speaker 1: and if you need three yards, I'll get you a yard.
Speaker 1: Like he was not a prolific running back. But tonight
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson, who's not a pass catcher, caught a ball
Speaker 1: in the backfield and rumbled for a first down. And
Speaker 1: this this was Ron Wolfley's interpretation standing back the throw
Speaker 1: short pass, It is caught by Peterson and he gets
Speaker 1: a first down inside the thirty five down to the
Speaker 1: thirty three. First of all, Peterson caught the ball, which
Speaker 1: is rare, but then he stayed in bounds got thirteen yards.
Speaker 1: How about that he broke the tackle of camp Chancellor
Speaker 1: by the way, shook him off like a little winter
Speaker 1: snow on a sunlit, moonlit evening. That was weird, right there,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. You think, like what I was listening to,
Speaker 1: this might drive win. I thought, you know, if we ever,
Speaker 1: if we're ever down a couple of fellows on the podcast,
Speaker 1: he might fit right a Lindsay Falton. Let's clip that
Speaker 1: off for top ten calls of the year on a
Speaker 1: mundane reception out of the backfield. All right, enough of that,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks win, but they also might have lost a
Speaker 1: key member of the legion of boom. So that's the
Speaker 1: big story on Thursday Night football. Let's look ahead to
Speaker 1: the rest of Week ten, Take it away, Boys, shook
Speaker 1: him off like a little winter snow on a sunlit
Speaker 1: moonlit teving the Around the NFL Podcast as twice as
Speaker 1: many heroes as Moved the Sticks. You better believe it.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by Head and Children's. My name is Dan Hansus,
Speaker 1: and I'm joined by a room filled with heroes and
Speaker 1: I mean it. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg ros
Speaker 1: it All. I'll say, what's up? Boys, Hey, Dan, hit
Speaker 1: me with it, Lens, and don't confuse this with celebration
Speaker 1: by Lionel Richie. This is only kind of like celebration.
Speaker 1: It is a poor man, poor man's version of cool
Speaker 1: in the Gang celebration. Oh cool and the Gang. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That was more in your seventies wheelhouse. Yeah, that's called facts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are your your teen years. Also, by the way,
Speaker 1: we have we don't have double more than Move the
Speaker 1: Sticks heroes. They don't have any heroes. We have infinity.
Speaker 1: What it is not to what is two times zero?
Speaker 1: I was gonna not say anything, but yeah, yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you guys, Wes. Welcome back to the show. It's been
Speaker 1: too long. We're so happy to have you here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had cleared up a few things with our HR department,
Speaker 1: and I hope to be back on on a fairly
Speaker 1: regular basis. Now, voices sounding crisp good. I lose it
Speaker 1: on chemotherapy days, but it's been bouncing back without injections,
Speaker 1: So that's that's progress. I know that. I know the
Speaker 1: listeners will probably wondering, and they certainly asked us, so
Speaker 1: just how how are you feeling in general? How how's
Speaker 1: it going right now? I feel great today. This has
Speaker 1: been a good week. Uh. As rough as it has
Speaker 1: been physically with the chemotherapy, I think mentally it's been
Speaker 1: even more of it's just been the walls closing in
Speaker 1: with the cabin fever and no no structure or routine
Speaker 1: without without working and and podcasting, it's just been and
Speaker 1: total inability to put on anyway. I weigh now when
Speaker 1: I weighed probably when I was a sophomore in high school.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's been hard. It's been. As Dusty
Speaker 1: Rhodes would say, big seas putting hard times on. Your
Speaker 1: beard looks great. Hasn't gotten in the way of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a manly looking beard. You got it's
Speaker 1: quite gray. I wasn't sure it was going to be
Speaker 1: this gray when um, yeah, West is with us, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's always great when the four horsemen are
Speaker 1: all together. To use another wrestling term in the past.
Speaker 1: I just saw that Rick Flair for thirty for thirty
Speaker 1: h I saw that too, Lindsay Faulton, you're a big
Speaker 1: wrestling fan. Did you check out the Rick Flair thirt
Speaker 1: you think about it? I mean, it was great, but
Speaker 1: it was also kind of sad. It was a little
Speaker 1: overly sad. Yeah, it was really sad that his life
Speaker 1: just ended up in such a dark place and it
Speaker 1: seems like he's still you know, he's supposedly had it all,
Speaker 1: and it still was never enough. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: wrestlers have very ugly fates, right, but Flair Flair was
Speaker 1: like the number. It was like if West never left
Speaker 1: Tybee Island, that you would have been Rick Flair. Basically.
Speaker 1: I would say that the saddest part for me and
Speaker 1: his son dying was sad and a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but the fact that a seventy year old man has
Speaker 1: the outlook still of like a sophomore in high school
Speaker 1: and what he prioritizes and the macho kind of posturing
Speaker 1: that he puts out to the world. Yeah, um, all right,
Speaker 1: but we're not here to talk about Rick Flair, who
Speaker 1: is a legend. Uh. But we have so much to
Speaker 1: get to today. You heard at the top of the
Speaker 1: show a little Seahawks Cardinals Thursday Night Football, a little
Speaker 1: uh Sesson Zeus edition. How exciting that was. But we
Speaker 1: got a lot to get to. Only four teams one
Speaker 1: by this week, down from six, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna do the math because I've gotten
Speaker 1: so used to do in the sixth math and I
Speaker 1: felt confident I'm not going to ruin it by trying
Speaker 1: to do the four maath. Don't frazzle your mind exactly. Yes,
Speaker 1: but so so many games to get to. So let's
Speaker 1: get to it and we'll start. Usually fall back the
Speaker 1: old Kurt Ton. Usually I like to go in order
Speaker 1: of the game, so the early games, then into the
Speaker 1: late afternoon games. It's called left or right on NFL
Speaker 1: dot com if you ever wanted to find out. Absolutely
Speaker 1: the Sunday night game and then the Monday night football game.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna move up one of the late games
Speaker 1: Cowboys at Falcons and why why are we gonna do that?
Speaker 1: Because we have more, ever more news on Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: who has now been suspended, unsuspended, suspended, unsuspended, suspended, unsuspended,
Speaker 1: and now suspended once more. The Second US Circuit Court
Speaker 1: of Appeals on Thursday denied Zeke Elliott and the players
Speaker 1: Union's request for an injunction pending appeal in Elliott's case.
Speaker 1: The running back is now set to begin serving that
Speaker 1: six game band Sunday against the Falcons. Tom Palicero reported, Uh,
Speaker 1: this almost certainly, this is what we're being told again
Speaker 1: almost and Mark will give us more of a detailed
Speaker 1: look at it because he taught Gabe Feldman everything he knows.
Speaker 1: That literally was terrified when I thought you were gonna
Speaker 1: throw this Nigel brief to me, almost certainly keeps Elliot
Speaker 1: off the field for the next six games and he
Speaker 1: would not be eligible to return till Christmas Eve. How
Speaker 1: about that? For you people that are more uh not
Speaker 1: into the whole uh Jesus thing, that's December. Well, there
Speaker 1: is an appeal set to be argued December, and so
Speaker 1: I asked for clarification on while there That means he's
Speaker 1: certainly suspended, you know, until then. And my the answer
Speaker 1: I got back is he is suspended until he's not,
Speaker 1: which is which is ominous, but it really sounds like, yes,
Speaker 1: at the very least, he's suspended until December one, and
Speaker 1: the expectation is that he's going to serve these six games.
Speaker 1: Why an appeal in December. Sure, it's a system snap food,
Speaker 1: but I mean I know that the courts. Obviously we
Speaker 1: dealt with Kathy f who went on vacation to lay in.
Speaker 1: The first you have to bring is your love for everything.
Speaker 1: But I mean you have to be somewhat in lock step,
Speaker 1: whether you're at Mountary Lodge or you sent it off
Speaker 1: to another judge to be with the With the NFL
Speaker 1: timeline here December one, I can't figure it out. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's annoying. It's a really bad look for
Speaker 1: the NFL. Uh in terms of UH They're all they're
Speaker 1: trying to do is get this stuff figured out. And
Speaker 1: you know, you have all the issues that have led
Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones being upset off this. It's a big
Speaker 1: mess and they just want everyone. If you're football thing,
Speaker 1: you just want this decided one way or the other
Speaker 1: Nobody likes this well it I'm sure the NFL's league
Speaker 1: office would disagree, but I thought the NFL would have
Speaker 1: been better off as a sport if they had suffered
Speaker 1: the legal setback on Thursday and found out that this
Speaker 1: the can had been kicked until the off season. Because
Speaker 1: this season has been defined by great players being taken
Speaker 1: off the field, and doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve
Speaker 1: to be suspended. That's a separate argument. It's just that
Speaker 1: now this season is going, This Cowboys team is kind
Speaker 1: of rolling, and it's another player who's going to be
Speaker 1: taken off the field, for instance, on Sunday Night Football
Speaker 1: a week after this for Eagles, Cowboys or Al Chris
Speaker 1: and Michelle. They can't catch a break this year. I
Speaker 1: think the lesson that the NFL has learned over this
Speaker 1: season and maybe with the Flake it is the attention
Speaker 1: has to be on the field. After the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, the attention from fans has to be on
Speaker 1: the field. And let's put the attention on the field
Speaker 1: here and get to the Cowboys Week ten game because
Speaker 1: they're playing and let's not forget extremely well over the
Speaker 1: past three weeks out of there by beating everybody up
Speaker 1: by at least ten points, and they were basically looked
Speaker 1: like the best version of the Cowboys last year. And
Speaker 1: now they travel to Atlanta and facing a Falcons team
Speaker 1: that just cannot get its act together. Another tough loss
Speaker 1: last week. UM so let's start with you Mark on this.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the Cowboys now? Alfred Morris,
Speaker 1: we're hearing is the first man up, but hardly is.
Speaker 1: That's not the end game there. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: give everyone a look. The Falcons have a much better
Speaker 1: shot now, don't they. Well, I mean you're taking the
Speaker 1: best player that Dallas has on offense off the field.
Speaker 1: They looks like they They might also not have Tyrone
Speaker 1: Smith and left tackle, which is a big loss as
Speaker 1: well for an offensive line that is really jailed over
Speaker 1: the past month. They look like last year's Cowboys. Dazz
Speaker 1: is beat up to it sounds like he will play.
Speaker 1: But the defense as well, which it was so easy
Speaker 1: in August to the Smitt doubt and dismiss Dallas because
Speaker 1: the assumption that the defense would collapse. You have DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: David Irvine has been on fire since he's returned the
Speaker 1: pass rushes for real, They're giving up much less points
Speaker 1: per game. They're they're able now to control the game
Speaker 1: on offense, but that was with the Zekil Elliott too,
Speaker 1: So it's a It does throw the whole game into
Speaker 1: a bit of a blender situation. But does Falcons team
Speaker 1: to me, part of their almost they can't get out
Speaker 1: of their own way. They just can't get out of
Speaker 1: their own way. And I don't know if if this
Speaker 1: I see this game that differently than I would have
Speaker 1: before the Zeke announcement. I think before their Super Bowl run,
Speaker 1: my biggest complaint with the Falcons was they had no
Speaker 1: backbone on defense. They could not stiffen against the run
Speaker 1: when they needed to. And they're back. You know, they
Speaker 1: signed on Tarry Poe, They're supposed to have all these
Speaker 1: speedy linebackers now and they're back to where they were.
Speaker 1: They cannot stop running games and the worse, I would
Speaker 1: argue this season, which is crazy with such a young
Speaker 1: promising team. Yeah, and this would be a good matchup
Speaker 1: because I think over the last month, with Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: cooling off and Leonard Fournette missing games, Zeke has been
Speaker 1: right there with Levan bell Is the best running backs
Speaker 1: in the NFL and Tyrone Smith's a huge loss. Now,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith has not been probably at his top level
Speaker 1: this year, I think because he's been playing through this injury.
Speaker 1: But that that's a huge loss. That changes them because
Speaker 1: I think it's such a terrible matchup for Atlanta because
Speaker 1: of what you said, because the Cowboys can just lean
Speaker 1: on such a lightweight group. That's how the Patriots beat them,
Speaker 1: was just six offensive linemen really playing power football, and
Speaker 1: they took care of him. Now, you know, maybe without
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, without Zeke Elliott, like you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think they've been a terrible team. The Falcons, they just
Speaker 1: can't finish out games. But the difference is the Cowboys
Speaker 1: I think win this game because they are more balanced.
Speaker 1: I think they're a better team than they were a
Speaker 1: year ago. Like a week ago, they only gave up.
Speaker 1: They only scored once in their first five possessions, and
Speaker 1: they were still leading at that point. Like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offense was not playing well and yet they were holding
Speaker 1: the very good Chiefs offense down. And I don't think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys team from a year ago. Everyone it does.
Speaker 1: That's all past tense though, because they're a different team
Speaker 1: without his z e u Oi and we talked on
Speaker 1: our last episode, we we four teams. I nominated the
Speaker 1: Falcons because I just don't think they have it this year.
Speaker 1: They would think with their backs against the wall at
Speaker 1: home against the Cowboys team without Zeke Elliott, they would
Speaker 1: rise up. I don't think it's gonna happen. I think
Speaker 1: the Rough go to Seattle next week, so they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to beat one of these two. This is kind
Speaker 1: of the two thousand sixteen Superpowers all facing off against
Speaker 1: each other in next couple of weeks. Nice cell bro alright,
Speaker 1: moving on, let us move just I mean j N. Sell.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. The snake oil salesman of the Whenever
Speaker 1: they get in danger, they just lean on Greg. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Talk about oh, the hottest team in football.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Cowboys are playing the best any of any
Speaker 1: team heading into this week. But the Saints, now winners
Speaker 1: of six in a row, travel to Orchard Park to
Speaker 1: face the Buffalo Bills, who uh Chris Westling did not
Speaker 1: look like they had their act together against the Jets
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night Football. They get a mini buy now
Speaker 1: to get right at home, but they're facing a Saints
Speaker 1: team that's for real or are they your thoughts? West?
Speaker 1: I bought in on the Saints. They're for real. I
Speaker 1: think with their defense you can say how much of
Speaker 1: it is the luck of the draw when four out
Speaker 1: the five dancing. I've never heard West buy on the Saints.
Speaker 1: I like this. Four other past five games are against Cutler, Hunley, Trabiski,
Speaker 1: and an inch injured Jameis Winston. So I calmed down
Speaker 1: on anointing their defense, but their offense is for real.
Speaker 1: I know moved the sticks has already uh, he's already
Speaker 1: paid attention to their draft class. But credit to Sean
Speaker 1: Payton and and Mickey Loomis, who has been a whipping
Speaker 1: boy on this podcast. Two of the best free agent
Speaker 1: twinings have been Tech gin In Alex Okra for a
Speaker 1: Gain has been a revelation, and Alvin Camara has been
Speaker 1: everything Christian McCaffrey was hyped to be and more right.
Speaker 1: If you did the draft again today, who's getting taken first?
Speaker 1: Camara or McCaffrey, I think it's Camera. I think I
Speaker 1: guess that's obvious. Is that obvious? What more could you
Speaker 1: want from Camara? We just talked about the Falcons and
Speaker 1: Freeman and Coleman last year had about twenty hundred yards
Speaker 1: and t d s. Ingram and Camara on pace for
Speaker 1: twenty dred from scrimmage. They they are both on pay
Speaker 1: for more than hundred yards apiece and eight or ten
Speaker 1: touchdowns of piece, which is wild. And you know, here's
Speaker 1: the name that I don't know. Maybe he wasn't even
Speaker 1: around when the Around the NFL podcast start. It's been
Speaker 1: a while, Jeff Ireland. That's the guy who's actually supposedly
Speaker 1: the one making the picks here because Mickey Lois, Yeah Lois,
Speaker 1: Vicky Louis is off cousins or I don't know. He
Speaker 1: cannot hanging out at Smoothie Ge cannot turn points on
Speaker 1: this podcast no matter what he game. But he came
Speaker 1: so close today. I mean, I look at this Bills team.
Speaker 1: They're at home. That's fine. Gave up a hundred nine
Speaker 1: yards to the Jets last week. That's fine. On the well, no,
Speaker 1: because it's I they haven't lost at home, and that's that.
Speaker 1: I think that's a nice advantage for them to not
Speaker 1: have to go into the Superdome. But they what they
Speaker 1: were dominated by the Jets, to line a scrimmage in
Speaker 1: a game, and I think going in people would have said,
Speaker 1: I thought the Bills were like one of the best
Speaker 1: coach teams in the NFL going into Thursday night football.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just an aberration. It was a one week
Speaker 1: thing that seems to happen in today's NFL. But I
Speaker 1: thought it was for me, a red flag on the Bills.
Speaker 1: I used the way they did to the Jets. I
Speaker 1: think that the Jets dominated them. There's no doubt in
Speaker 1: that game. I wonder I don't know if I believe
Speaker 1: always in the idea of a trap game, but if
Speaker 1: if there is such thing as a trap game in
Speaker 1: a short week, I kind of think it could have happened.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a total indictment of the Bills,
Speaker 1: more of like a bad week. Eleems are weirdly similar
Speaker 1: a lopsided matchup. The Saints are clearly better. I was
Speaker 1: going to lock it up, but I have a role
Speaker 1: in the lock game because I respected so much these days.
Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good segment the lock up,
Speaker 1: saying oh you're in yeah, but love it. One of
Speaker 1: my top rules is you never pick against the Bills
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, And you know what, there's a good reason
Speaker 1: for that, because they're very good at home. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you another thing. The old Zeuser, since you brought
Speaker 1: it up, is on the doorstep of history. Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: as the record for seven straight locks in a row
Speaker 1: closing out past regular season Suster is at six in
Speaker 1: a row. He's put serious distance between the field. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I thought. It was an aberration
Speaker 1: in the medal ends last week. I still like this
Speaker 1: Bills team. I respect the Saints and think they're a
Speaker 1: good team, but I think they're due for a loss.
Speaker 1: And I know the Bills are pissed after what happened
Speaker 1: in Jersey. They go home and they take care of business,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm locking it up. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: let me say one thing. This hype job about the
Speaker 1: fact that my creek was ended because the regular season ended.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that ended my lock streak. Didn't
Speaker 1: we do the playoffs? I am going to reverse lock
Speaker 1: it up. We're going at each other. Your streak is
Speaker 1: gonna end. Now. Your thoughts on West saying he didn't
Speaker 1: take the Saints out of respect for the lock, I
Speaker 1: respect Wes I'm making my own decision here. It's a
Speaker 1: lock off, lock off, Let's have a lock off. How
Speaker 1: are we not aware of this streak or anything last
Speaker 1: I have to stay until it was tweeted during the middle.
Speaker 1: I don't remember winning two times in a row last year,
Speaker 1: like apparently I went back and looked that I was
Speaker 1: ahead in the locks last year. I guess I finished ahead,
Speaker 1: but that was we never wearded that we were awful
Speaker 1: last year, and then I found out that I won
Speaker 1: seven in a row. So you don't remember that because
Speaker 1: you don't remember anything. I remember specifically that Greg mark,
Speaker 1: you were doing very poorly in the locks last season,
Speaker 1: then caught on five fire. I don't remember we did
Speaker 1: playoff locks, though I don't remember that. This is like
Speaker 1: baseball in eighteen fifty eight. Nobody bothered to keep stat
Speaker 1: yet and the pictures were still underhanded, So that's why
Speaker 1: we didn't know it. All. Is once again Greg trying
Speaker 1: to dress down the segment because he's performed so poorly
Speaker 1: this season. I was just bringing up that. I just
Speaker 1: thought it was noticeable that when the host started doing well,
Speaker 1: the records were brought up. No one's brought up that technically,
Speaker 1: I was a defending champion. Apparently you you do a
Speaker 1: nice job of making us aware of your successes exactly.
Speaker 1: So let's calm down with that a little bit. Let's
Speaker 1: move on and talk about the Green But you could
Speaker 1: still get back in it. There's still I already told
Speaker 1: you that we're rebuilding for next year. I know you're
Speaker 1: having it, but we're trading away picks and we're thinking
Speaker 1: about the draft, but a disguise moving out. The Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers are four and four. They've lost three straight.
Speaker 1: They look dead in the water without Aaron Rodgers. Sad
Speaker 1: to say, but it's true. Now they travel to Chicago,
Speaker 1: the Bears coming off a bye week. Uh. Two offenses
Speaker 1: that do not move the ball, not explosive at all. Greg,
Speaker 1: give us a reason why you want to check this
Speaker 1: game out, because I think Mitchell Robinsky, coming off of
Speaker 1: bye week, maybe we'll be giving a few more responsibilities.
Speaker 1: He did throw the ball a little more at the
Speaker 1: end of the Saints game with to some good effect.
Speaker 1: I liked when they did a hurry up. I think
Speaker 1: when you watch the Bears, they do have a little
Speaker 1: bit of an identity up front. Achem Hicks has been
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive tackles in the league. Leonard
Speaker 1: Floyd's pretty frisky. Eddie Goldman, my Jewish brother, also very
Speaker 1: good at nose tackle. Like that, they've got something to them,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the Packers have. So they've
Speaker 1: got a little something. I know what I say to
Speaker 1: the Packers, Welcome to earth Green Bay. The last time
Speaker 1: the Bears face Last time the Bears face the Packers.
Speaker 1: First of all, you do have an edge, and I
Speaker 1: like it. The pause for effect was nice there, I
Speaker 1: liked it. Thank you for the broadcasting kudos. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something, this is how these Packers fans. They
Speaker 1: want to talk about their bone crushing playoff losses, all
Speaker 1: the heart break. I am exhausted by it, from head
Speaker 1: to toe. The last time they faced the Bears, who
Speaker 1: haven't had a quarterback in a million years with anyone
Speaker 1: other than Brett Favor Aaron Rodgers, was Week fifteen of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety Effing one and the quarterback Mike tom Zack.
Speaker 1: A Bears re tread, you've had it easy, and now
Speaker 1: you're finding out that when you don't have Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and you have to go win games with someone that's
Speaker 1: just come off. Basically, Brett Honley barely played. Suddenly everyone's
Speaker 1: on the coach, They're all over the defensive coordinator, the
Speaker 1: team looks human, and suddenly Packers fans are panicky. Welcome
Speaker 1: to how one through the league feels all the time.
Speaker 1: I tweeted that on Monday night because there seems to
Speaker 1: be a sentiment out there on Twitter. It was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I feels so bad for Packers fans that have to
Speaker 1: watch us. Are you kidding me? Come back to us.
Speaker 1: This is fine. You can. You could swallow this medicine
Speaker 1: and wallow and misery, and then when Week one comes
Speaker 1: around next year, you got the best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: planet on your team again, just like you've had excitement
Speaker 1: for decades. Just deal with it. Take your medicine, Peter
Speaker 1: pan I mean I think they. I think it's fair
Speaker 1: for Packers fan to miss the most exciting player in
Speaker 1: the league, or one of the best players from a
Speaker 1: place of holy anger. Yes, once you dropped the Mike
Speaker 1: Tom Zack line, I knew we were deep travel so
Speaker 1: this is an awful matchup to But yes it is.
Speaker 1: I mean Greg mentioned a Keem Hicks, whom you can
Speaker 1: find on my mid season All Proteins NFL dot Com
Speaker 1: slash All pro Teams. Matt Harmon and I kind of
Speaker 1: he did next gen stats. I did some film and
Speaker 1: we compared. That's cute, but a Keem Hicks made the team.
Speaker 1: The outside of the Jaguar and West had more vanity.
Speaker 1: You were u r l s from home than than
Speaker 1: any of us at here pulling that off Bank, I'll
Speaker 1: leave on pury Um. Let's move on the Cleveland Brown
Speaker 1: outside of the jack. Yes, the Bears have the best
Speaker 1: past defense in football with Floyd coming off the edge
Speaker 1: of Hicks freaking havoc. They have a ball hawking secondary
Speaker 1: to the extent that hit it up the Bearsley who
Speaker 1: stares at the pass rush and doesn't look down the field.
Speaker 1: He's got happy feet. He's seeing ghosts in the pocket
Speaker 1: and the Bears defense is going to swallow. If the
Speaker 1: Bears have a really good pass rush, that means the
Speaker 1: Packers are in trouble because that man holds the ball.
Speaker 1: Let's move on, all right, Wow, we got a lot
Speaker 1: of locks early, and we wait with bated breath. What
Speaker 1: will Greg come up with? I have to do that, Greg,
Speaker 1: We get it a good game for you to lock up.
Speaker 1: And I also like the idea of Greg tanking. He'll
Speaker 1: probably start getting some right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It'll be a good thing, all right. Moving on to
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns oh and eight uh and now they travel
Speaker 1: to Detroit to face the Lion's team that once again
Speaker 1: getting people excited with that effort in Green Bay. Yes,
Speaker 1: no Aaron Rodgers, but that offense Mark looked pretty saucy.
Speaker 1: Yes it did. And if you're the Browns, I just
Speaker 1: I don't see how you come out of this game
Speaker 1: with a chance to win. I watching what happened with
Speaker 1: Detroit on Monday night. That was the night correct Monday night.
Speaker 1: Yes it was days ago. It's a it's all a
Speaker 1: haze to me. But I mean, I do think Cleveland
Speaker 1: recent weeks has shown a little bit of strength on defense.
Speaker 1: They get Miles Garrett Pack, I don't think it's enough
Speaker 1: on any level. Though Matthew Stafford is playing the best
Speaker 1: football I feel like we've seen in years and years
Speaker 1: from him, maybe ever, Golden Tate, Marvin Jones. There's no
Speaker 1: way to shut this thing down, and they continue on
Speaker 1: the pace. If if what happened after they're buying who
Speaker 1: they are the last couple of weeks. Is who they're
Speaker 1: gonna be down the stretch. In terms of the air game,
Speaker 1: I think they're very dangerous. Golden Tate and Marvin Jones
Speaker 1: on pace for a thousand yards, and yet they disappear
Speaker 1: so often. David not Tate, not as much this year.
Speaker 1: Tate's having a great seasons, Like every this was. I
Speaker 1: think Will Brinson said it on Twitter that he's like,
Speaker 1: now he's the most underrated receiver in league. It's like
Speaker 1: every three or four years Golden Tate just becomes the
Speaker 1: most underrated receiver in the league. Again, it's like a
Speaker 1: poor man's Percy Harvin, um mart that's rude. How about
Speaker 1: like a point, he's had a much better career that
Speaker 1: how about a more reliable but less uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: spectacular version of Percy Harvin. Alright, I mean, how about
Speaker 1: well give him this. He can stay on. Percy Harvin
Speaker 1: would play every one and one, every twenty six game
Speaker 1: or something, and then Brown's got some players to watch.
Speaker 1: You're excited. You think maybe they might make a little
Speaker 1: run here when they get Gordon and no, but I
Speaker 1: got I said I said in a in a way
Speaker 1: that in to to mess up what could be that
Speaker 1: they will probably allow two or three teams to pick
Speaker 1: ahead of them if they won one or two late
Speaker 1: season affairs that are meaningless in the end, you got
Speaker 1: in JOKEO, you got little Miles Garrett back in the mix.
Speaker 1: There are teams I enjoy watching less than the Browns.
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. I did a that doesn't
Speaker 1: too much. Yes, I was tooling around um p F yesterday.
Speaker 1: The lowest ranked player on the Browns is Jamie Collins.
Speaker 1: According to Chris Collinsworth p F. What have you seen
Speaker 1: from him? I mean, I see the whole defense, you know,
Speaker 1: but him specifically, I just jumped out to me. He's
Speaker 1: not jumped out as doing something special, But I to
Speaker 1: be honest, like the Browns are team that I don't
Speaker 1: think Jamie Collins alone can save, and he certainly doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like that's where he's had his in his career
Speaker 1: to begin with. All right, let's move on. The Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers are six and two. They lead the a f
Speaker 1: C North uh. They are coming off a by all
Speaker 1: good news for the Steelers and the riding a three
Speaker 1: game winning streak. And now Chris Westling they get the
Speaker 1: Cults who um just by the way, cut Vante Davis,
Speaker 1: who was their best cover corner of the last few years,
Speaker 1: was having a down year obviously had fallen out with
Speaker 1: the team. Needs groin surgery, I believe, but they cut
Speaker 1: him right before the groin surgery. Just there was an
Speaker 1: argument heard or not right, whatever it is. They wash
Speaker 1: their hands. Now they're going, what was it one time?
Speaker 1: The number one corner? So things keep on getting more
Speaker 1: and more grand for the Cults. Steelers feel like they're
Speaker 1: in a great spot here right, Well, you're playing against
Speaker 1: the Colts team without their quarterback one without their running back,
Speaker 1: to without their best guard, without their best defensive end,
Speaker 1: without their best outside linebacker, without their best cornerback, and
Speaker 1: without their two best safeties. So that's outrageous. You're getting
Speaker 1: a already bad Colts team which is depleted by injuries,
Speaker 1: and the Steelers have the most talented roster in football.
Speaker 1: Henry Anderson, who has probably been their best defensive lineman
Speaker 1: went out for the season. What's your favorite type of frog? Well, Chris,
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta getting a little deeper this offseason's for
Speaker 1: Chris Ballad. They are literally free of their entire two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen starting lineup on defense they have No
Speaker 1: that's a good thing, but I guess, but no, they
Speaker 1: would like Henry Anderson and Vante Davis for instance, to
Speaker 1: be playing in this game, because you know those are
Speaker 1: NFL players, and I don't know they don't have that. Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I take Japaul Shared, he's been good. Your
Speaker 1: boy John Simon maybe back, he's been injured. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: is the type of spot though that Pittsburgh's found a
Speaker 1: way to blow and Jacoby for sets playing pretty well
Speaker 1: out not this time. I don't think. I think what
Speaker 1: happens here and this is this has been a chaotic
Speaker 1: season and especially chaotic week or two for the Cults.
Speaker 1: On top of the stuff you mentioned, there's whispers that
Speaker 1: ownership and Andrew luck or not eye to eye at
Speaker 1: this well here, I think number one, I think when
Speaker 1: they brought that Chuck Pagano, that was a let's try
Speaker 1: to keep continuity, let's try to keep this thing going.
Speaker 1: And that might have been the mistake right there for me.
Speaker 1: You go, you let's say they get whitewashed by the
Speaker 1: Steelers here they go three and seven into their by
Speaker 1: I think Pagano's gone. It seems like also Pagano is
Speaker 1: maybe a flawed coach, and maybe you should have been
Speaker 1: gone last year. You could go all the way to
Speaker 1: the top of the chain in Indianapolis. I think when
Speaker 1: you're looking for problems and what's going on with this
Speaker 1: franchise and how Luck was both handled and both how
Speaker 1: the message about Luck was communicated with the media, it's
Speaker 1: just been a bad look all the way around for
Speaker 1: that franchise. This defense, this Cults defense, no team in
Speaker 1: the league is giving up bigger pass plays than them,
Speaker 1: And I think what we saw from Juju Smith Schuster.
Speaker 1: You've also never had a Steelers rookie receiver of two
Speaker 1: hundred yard games in a row. Maybe that happens if
Speaker 1: if he's a major factor each week, which he was
Speaker 1: obviously on their last game before the bye, like that
Speaker 1: changes their offense. That would be a big deal for them.
Speaker 1: Oh so Martevis Bryant taking first team snaps again. So
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can get Martevis Briant even close
Speaker 1: to what he was two years ago, I think they're
Speaker 1: the best team in football right now. The Eagles would
Speaker 1: give you a pretty good argument. Yeah, I I'd go Eagles.
Speaker 1: But but two teams from p A, and I think
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh's I know they're not they're different type of
Speaker 1: offense now, but I think they're kind of overdue for
Speaker 1: one of those games or Big Bend fills up the
Speaker 1: stat sheet and has a total wipeout. Might be very
Speaker 1: close to that happening. I think it's happening on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Los Angeles Chargers. Uh, their
Speaker 1: three game winning streak was snapped last week in New England,
Speaker 1: and now they get the jack Sinville Jaguars. Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: very very good matchup for the Jags. It is I
Speaker 1: you know, I did the studying and the analytics, and
Speaker 1: I came up with that this is, in fact my
Speaker 1: ten AM game of the week that I'm going to
Speaker 1: request to cover from David. Really, is that sponsored by anyone?
Speaker 1: We're looking for a sponsor. The game actually was going
Speaker 1: to be covered, Unfortunately, market it typically requires Mark to
Speaker 1: have to shift gears, change his Sunday responsibilities to appease. Okay, Greg,
Speaker 1: see now you're a piece my former boss and my
Speaker 1: current boss. You're playing. Now you're all getting in each
Speaker 1: other's face, and I don't care what game. I come.
Speaker 1: You're playing for the cameras here. Because I heard that
Speaker 1: from David Eally, I was like, oh, hey, I want
Speaker 1: to cover this game. Is because Mark Mark already has that.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I guess I'll take it. And
Speaker 1: I picked a different game. It wasn't that big deal.
Speaker 1: It's not story. You're like, oh please, because I don't
Speaker 1: want to come on this show and hear about it.
Speaker 1: Look what margia Velli did. He didn't get Jags Chargers,
Speaker 1: so he goes, I'll take the bran knowing that Mark
Speaker 1: is a Browns fan. You don't know what you're doing. Greg,
Speaker 1: and you, guys, what it is dangerously transparent. You give
Speaker 1: it a little too much credit on that front. I
Speaker 1: was excited to watch um about this game, by the way,
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars. It's a great spot for a great defense,
Speaker 1: a historically great defense potentially if things continue the way
Speaker 1: they've been. All their all their stats are incredible across
Speaker 1: the board. Um, Jalen Ramsey, by the way, Um, I
Speaker 1: just want to hit on this is from last week
Speaker 1: of course, Uh the aj Green fight where they went
Speaker 1: at it and they both got kicked out of the
Speaker 1: game I have very rarely or it's been a long time. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe you have to go back to Steve Smith and
Speaker 1: I keep to leave ice up son for a player
Speaker 1: to just so devastate another member or a colleague the
Speaker 1: way it was done by Jalen Ramsey. This listn't it
Speaker 1: his thoughts on a J Green A lot receivers down
Speaker 1: Um physically and mentally. I get in their mind, Um,
Speaker 1: get on today's skin. I talked, I talked my talkt um.
Speaker 1: Whatever I'm gonna say, it's it's rumors out there that
Speaker 1: I said like some some deep, some personal stuff and
Speaker 1: let you know that's not true. Off rip um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I get out there. I do my thing. I talked,
Speaker 1: but I don't go personal. Don't talk about nobody. Why
Speaker 1: even nobody, kids, nobody, family, don't do that. Um, So
Speaker 1: that's that's untrue. That's not true at all. I think
Speaker 1: he even said that though it was nothing that I said. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't say nothing, got it go like that, But
Speaker 1: you feel me. I told him, I told him almost
Speaker 1: every place that he was weak and the saw that
Speaker 1: demonstrate facts. He just came hand the truth these facts.
Speaker 1: UM told him that his time almost shut told him
Speaker 1: that was easy, which it was. He had one catch
Speaker 1: for six yards. I was just out there spare facts
Speaker 1: to him. So he got mad um and then people
Speaker 1: trying to talk about the push. I mean I pushed them,
Speaker 1: every single player. We can go back and look at
Speaker 1: him push the podcast A rund player. Don't even put
Speaker 1: your hand on me. So he put his hand me.
Speaker 1: I pushed him again. He just felt because because he weak.
Speaker 1: Mean what I'm saying, it wasn't It wasn't a late push.
Speaker 1: It was during the whist. The whistle hadn't blown it. Um,
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna get flagged for that push because it
Speaker 1: was during the play the flags that no flag came
Speaker 1: out until he grabbed me. Y'all can go back and
Speaker 1: look at that on the tape too. So it wasn't dirty.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a cheap shot. It was not a lot longer.
Speaker 1: This is like a philipbuster in action. Almost done it.
Speaker 1: He's about happening alright. I mean, I've listened to like
Speaker 1: a monologue everybody from Jalen Ramsey. I'd make him one
Speaker 1: of the late night host if he could always bring
Speaker 1: that fire. I got my phil it out over we'll
Speaker 1: see you next week. But I mean a J. Green
Speaker 1: is he is a brand name. And when you call
Speaker 1: him soft and weak, I mean that is that's some
Speaker 1: real fire to drop in the player for Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the way he balls and it works.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like Michael Jordan's level psychosis on taking
Speaker 1: a man's manhood away from him. Yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: do with your J. Green? When you here like you
Speaker 1: can't do anything. It's not like basketball or whatever where
Speaker 1: you get another chance in a couple of weeks. It's
Speaker 1: just you gotta sit on that. And that's somebody messing
Speaker 1: with your reputation. Maybe not the kids, maybe not your wife,
Speaker 1: your girlfriend or whatever, but that's your reputation when you're
Speaker 1: saying the guys soft. And we also said his career
Speaker 1: is over and he's at the end and he's like
Speaker 1: leading the league and receiving. So I think you can
Speaker 1: take some of some of it with a grain of salt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's backing it up. This defense is I look at this,
Speaker 1: I wonder if this could be the beginning for Jacksonville
Speaker 1: where they start to take off in the South, because
Speaker 1: after this year, have after this Charger's gaming of the Browns,
Speaker 1: Cardinals and Cults, and down the road you've got the
Speaker 1: Texans and forty nine Ers. The Texans have been stripped
Speaker 1: literally nothing. So Jacksonville just has to handle their own business.
Speaker 1: They're dealing with a Chargers team that cannot stop the run.
Speaker 1: That's their strength. I do like, what's what the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles did in the second half against the Patriots on defense?
Speaker 1: There were missfield goals by Gustkowski, but New England was
Speaker 1: held to six point. Drives were stalled and it gave
Speaker 1: the offensive chance to win. But they're an incomplete team.
Speaker 1: Like we've been waiting for the Jaguars to break out,
Speaker 1: Like you know, we kind of joked out there the
Speaker 1: off season. It's like, this is it. It's happening. It's happened.
Speaker 1: They've won five games by a minimum of sixteen points.
Speaker 1: They this is the team. It's here. Blake Bortles has
Speaker 1: been managed closely enough. I don't think he's playing great,
Speaker 1: but he's he's a little more accurate and repeatable on
Speaker 1: short passes. And they have the best defense in the league. Like,
Speaker 1: it's it's here. We've got the Jaguars breakout season, Like
Speaker 1: they're winning ten or eleven games there, let's see streak
Speaker 1: for the first time the season, so they gotta stack
Speaker 1: some wins here. I am not personally going to buy
Speaker 1: into Blake Bortles. I'm not either, but I think for
Speaker 1: the first time in two years, a reasonable Jaguars fan
Speaker 1: can get his hopes up a little bit and think
Speaker 1: that Bordles might not single handedly sink the ship because
Speaker 1: he's improved a little bit. He's got better mechanics, he
Speaker 1: gets rid of the ball faster, he's more elusive in
Speaker 1: the pocket, he doesn't take sacks, and he eliminates his
Speaker 1: mistakes compared to what he was doing in the first
Speaker 1: month of the sea, and I think he's shown some
Speaker 1: improved One thing that jumped out to me watching their
Speaker 1: Cincinnati game was they were up seven and the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter and Borders was throwing the ball, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a little sign that maybe Dug Bron has a
Speaker 1: little bit more trust than him than maybe earlier in
Speaker 1: the season. Teams are begging them too, even when it
Speaker 1: was Chris Ivory in the backfield, just the way they're
Speaker 1: lining up in the lack of talent, they about why
Speaker 1: they're begging him too. But that's gonna this is the
Speaker 1: game though, where Bosa and Ingram haven't. They could very
Speaker 1: well send boordles back regressing for a few weeks. And
Speaker 1: I think that the Charges showed some things offensively overall
Speaker 1: getting a little bit better. It's a really interesting match.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jaguars fans have not been in first place
Speaker 1: this late, or two games over this late, since two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, Like that's a that's a long time.
Speaker 1: Probably haven't even been in second place. Is that people
Speaker 1: are trusting the Jaguars are hearing in the studio right now.
Speaker 1: Win this game, though, Win this game at home, you're
Speaker 1: a better team. Win the game. Let's move on. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a Fitzpatrick Bowl in Tampa. The four and five
Speaker 1: New York Jets, coming off that impressive win over the
Speaker 1: Bills on Thursday Night Football, they get the Mini by
Speaker 1: and now they get the Bucks, who are riding a
Speaker 1: five game losing streak there without their starting quarterback Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston who has been shut down with that shoulder injury,
Speaker 1: without Mike Evans, who has been suspended UH for his
Speaker 1: cheap shot against Lattimore, New Orleans, and Bryan Fitzpatrick, who
Speaker 1: is a notable figure in Jets history led them to
Speaker 1: that um. Listen if you're a Jets fan, it was
Speaker 1: a magical ten and five record before it all fell
Speaker 1: apart in Buffalo on the last day of the season.
Speaker 1: They signed him, uh, and then he had a miserable
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen season, and then both sides could not
Speaker 1: get away from each other soon enough. So I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it's nasty blood, but the way it ended, in
Speaker 1: a way the contract talks went, things kind of went south.
Speaker 1: So this will be an interesting game. And Mark with
Speaker 1: the Jets never looked past anybody, uh and including uh
Speaker 1: the Tava Bay Bucks at this state. Uh No. But
Speaker 1: I want to say what I mentioned on our on
Speaker 1: our pick um hit, and someone else can say when
Speaker 1: pick them airs, I never have any idea. It's three
Speaker 1: times on Saturday d v R. It's also Sunday at
Speaker 1: six am. You can find it. Find it, just put
Speaker 1: up the old guide and press. It's out there. But
Speaker 1: I mean we this game to me is the symbol
Speaker 1: of we spend four or five six months in the
Speaker 1: offseason convincing ourselves of things without games being played. And
Speaker 1: it's a dangerous hobby and it's why I think of
Speaker 1: football even more dangerous profession it is. That's why I
Speaker 1: think a lot of times football reporters in the old
Speaker 1: days would go cover a different sport because sitting around
Speaker 1: and talking about a sport when it's not being played
Speaker 1: for six months, you're connecting hot air dots that mean nothing.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit ridiculous. And the Jets and the
Speaker 1: Bucks are the are the absolute symbol of that to me,
Speaker 1: because we all talked about the Bucks as this NFC
Speaker 1: darling that was gonna bloom into a playoff flower when
Speaker 1: the division potentially go maybe even to the NFC title game.
Speaker 1: Oh and then there's the Jets that told us all
Speaker 1: summer long, we're not tanking. Stop saying that about us.
Speaker 1: Coaches said it, GM said it, Matt Forte, ten other
Speaker 1: players said it. Everyone just laughed them off, because that's
Speaker 1: the power we have. And then they're about to go
Speaker 1: five and five, they take two Chris Westling specifically, right,
Speaker 1: we all nonsense. We all thought the I still maintain
Speaker 1: he was lying. He was lying through his teeth. Of course,
Speaker 1: they were rebuilding, he said, we are not rebuilding. Where
Speaker 1: the games and guess what there four and five and
Speaker 1: playing to get back to five. We are all equally
Speaker 1: guilty for assuming that they were tank job material that
Speaker 1: was gonna win a best one or two games. People
Speaker 1: talking about the worst offense ever, we all had it wrong.
Speaker 1: I can't go find someone that said they'd be five
Speaker 1: and five. Your point is great, and the Jets everyone
Speaker 1: counted out. The Bucks where some people are talking about
Speaker 1: the top of the NFC type thing. This is like
Speaker 1: the Reversal Bowl, Bingo Reverse and the Fitzpatrick Bowl. But
Speaker 1: I also think like our predictive value from now moving
Speaker 1: forward is just as bad as it would be in
Speaker 1: the off season. Everything right, we are frauds. No ever,
Speaker 1: and I and I think at this point the Bucks
Speaker 1: kind of like the Giants. I mean, when you they
Speaker 1: have absolutely nothing going for him where you don't question
Speaker 1: an effort, but there's obviously just a stink where it's
Speaker 1: all bad. Where even the players that are on the
Speaker 1: field that we thought would be good, a lot of
Speaker 1: them aren't. You know, Kawan Alexander, maybe he's not, but
Speaker 1: he's not the same guy, like Noah Spence isn't really
Speaker 1: doing a lot like they have, Like Brent Grimes hasn't
Speaker 1: been on the field they don't really have anything that
Speaker 1: you look at your playing Peyton Barber at running back.
Speaker 1: There's no Mike Evans this week. I was thinking pretty
Speaker 1: hard that I should lock this game up for the Jets,
Speaker 1: and then I see you guys are in my head.
Speaker 1: Then I thought you were gonna say that I'm just
Speaker 1: being a stinky Davis and trying to do some sort
Speaker 1: of reverse things. So I'm backing off of that, but
Speaker 1: I really would be surprised if the Jets don't win
Speaker 1: this game, d Jalen Ramsey and you're you've confused. You've confused,
Speaker 1: you end um. And by the way, the A t
Speaker 1: N subread at which everyone should sign up around the NFL,
Speaker 1: they are now doing a lock of the Week collective
Speaker 1: for them, and they decided to the Jets were the
Speaker 1: lock of the week. And all I can say is
Speaker 1: be careful because this franchise has made a living for
Speaker 1: the past forty years of blowing games just like that.
Speaker 1: The Bucks fans are probably under the radar because they
Speaker 1: won that that Super Bowl out of nowhere, as some
Speaker 1: tortured fans because they had a pretty bad stretch for
Speaker 1: a while, and then you forget that you know who
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback was last time they were in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: it was Sims. It was Jeff Garcia. I believe was
Speaker 1: I thought Sims played that season. At least they might
Speaker 1: have it. Sims and Garcia. Garcia started a playoff game
Speaker 1: for every team in the NFL. So it's like, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's insane, that's insane. As much as I enjoyed
Speaker 1: your detailed dissection of eating the w the other day,
Speaker 1: James Winston is on my radar for it for a
Speaker 1: different reason. Tell us why it was the right Magnipico
Speaker 1: from last week, the rat boy move, the Weaselman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to go up and poke somebody in the back of
Speaker 1: the head. You know every draft these Nolan Rocky's coming
Speaker 1: out of We're with with the Rocky bomb, with the
Speaker 1: unnamed GM or scout calling people in Eddie Haskell, Javis
Speaker 1: Winston did not Eddie Haskell. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: that means. The be a reference. Eddie Haskell was a kid.
Speaker 1: When other parents were around, he was on his best behavior,
Speaker 1: but then he'd be a weasel all the other times,
Speaker 1: and when nobody's watching. Jamis Winston is a weasel. And
Speaker 1: this goes back to his Florida State days. By the way,
Speaker 1: my uh, he hands his favorite show growing up, Leave
Speaker 1: It to Beaver. So I've seen many many episodes and
Speaker 1: if you want to get out somebody who's being the
Speaker 1: stinky Davis, that's where Eddie haskell. That's that's the same
Speaker 1: vein of DNA similar exactly. I'm now really glad I
Speaker 1: didn't lock this up or else I would have been
Speaker 1: thrown in with these and there do wells Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's move on the last yep. I'm not writing them off.
Speaker 1: He's still gonna have a good career. I just think
Speaker 1: he's got some He's got some Stinky Davis in him.
Speaker 1: Moving on. Remember Mark during the a t L Debate
Speaker 1: Club days when we had Richard Sherman on the show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I asked him if he was the NFL Stinky
Speaker 1: Davis and he almost got really offended and then gave
Speaker 1: me a pass. The thing I remember about that interview,
Speaker 1: because he was that was that would be fair for
Speaker 1: him to get some I mean, you used to play along,
Speaker 1: but that's when he was coming into like full stardom.
Speaker 1: That one season where there was a clear pr effort
Speaker 1: to after the Brady incident he had read. He said
Speaker 1: that he had read everything that you and I had
Speaker 1: written about him, which concerned me a lot because it
Speaker 1: was a lot of Richard Sherman says, x Y and
Speaker 1: Z had Jim Brown. A couple of weeks later, what
Speaker 1: happened to the how like the five Star guests, it
Speaker 1: was all wiped off the database here too. Let's move
Speaker 1: on the Cincinnati ben Gals. Oh my goodness, Uh did
Speaker 1: we fork them? We forked them? They forked team. I
Speaker 1: was too afraid of of Mark to to not for
Speaker 1: game very well. I didn't realize you still have this
Speaker 1: immense belief in them, But I think that they will.
Speaker 1: They will be fork material by Sunday Night. Didn't fork um,
Speaker 1: because remember Gregg safe them. We did fork them. We
Speaker 1: forked the Bengals. I was. I was too afraid of
Speaker 1: he almost did a lot. A lot of my decision
Speaker 1: making really comes down to what I fear, will anger
Speaker 1: Mark or not? Well, that's that is your issue. I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't take responsibly get vouchback for that. Dating
Speaker 1: back to your management days. Um, yes, I'm the only
Speaker 1: person that Greg managed that was a difficult individual to
Speaker 1: deal with. Well, I wouldn't say that, but it was
Speaker 1: a little bit Mark, wasn't it. I should get out
Speaker 1: of this the Cincinnati Bengals, that's precious. Stand by the way,
Speaker 1: they are three and five coming from you and listen,
Speaker 1: just let's move forward. Uh. And now they travel to
Speaker 1: face the Titoons. They've won three straight there, five and three.
Speaker 1: Talk about stacking wins, Chris Westling, Titoons in a good
Speaker 1: spot to keep winning. They are in a good spot,
Speaker 1: and they are in a very lucky spot. I think
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans are the luckiest team in the NFL
Speaker 1: this year and three, and while injuries have ravaged some
Speaker 1: other teams like the Colts, the Texans, the forty Niners,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, all those teams are still remaining on the
Speaker 1: Titans schedule. And the Titans injuries have been hamstrings, which
Speaker 1: had kept people out for a few weeks but not
Speaker 1: ruined their season. So they sit here at five and
Speaker 1: three after going through Corey Davis injuries, Mariota's hamstring, DeMarco
Speaker 1: Murray playing through a hamstring. They sit here at five
Speaker 1: and three with a tremendously easy schedule, and and there's
Speaker 1: no reason to think he won't keep going. I mean,
Speaker 1: how the luck goes even further. Marcus Ham, I mean,
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota gets hurt and they get the two worst
Speaker 1: teams in the league right after that, who they get
Speaker 1: to barely win. And maybe I'm just hopeful. And I'm
Speaker 1: watching Mariota throw some dimes down the field up to
Speaker 1: seem to uh Delaney Walker, which is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players in the NFL right now, those two, I
Speaker 1: really I just love the way that Delaney Walker's kind
Speaker 1: of made his career in Tennessee and I and I'm
Speaker 1: starting to see maybe the running games coming together a
Speaker 1: little like I think this is one of those teams
Speaker 1: I keep talking about that can as they teams away,
Speaker 1: but they can improve as they go, like they can
Speaker 1: improve as they go. And I and ultimately, as much
Speaker 1: as we're knocking them there five and three, and this
Speaker 1: is a home game against a team that's really struggling,
Speaker 1: and they should get to six and three, it's like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in it. It's gonna be a fun
Speaker 1: race with them in the Jaguars. No, I'm not even
Speaker 1: knocking them. I'm saying they've been lucky, They'll continue to
Speaker 1: be lucky and they'll probably find themselves playing in January.
Speaker 1: I don't put them and I don't put them like
Speaker 1: at the equal the Jaguars or the Jaguars are a
Speaker 1: bit of an enigma two on some level. But you
Speaker 1: can if you like the ground game, you can run
Speaker 1: on Cincinnati right now. I think that that you could.
Speaker 1: For a while. I pointed to Cincinnati's defense as like
Speaker 1: the outposts that I still respected on some level with
Speaker 1: that team, but they are the last in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And turnovers they're not general. These teams that are surprising us,
Speaker 1: the Bills, the Saints, they are they're protecting the ball,
Speaker 1: and I think that I look at Cincinnati and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh again, another offseason thing. John Ross, Joe Mixon. And
Speaker 1: there was a lot of reasons to like Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: His tape was incredible and even his preseason stuff look good.
Speaker 1: But it is not happened. John Ross has not happened.
Speaker 1: This offense is unwatchable. Here's here's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: Because you have Mariota at number nine, and your QB
Speaker 1: index should do a nice job with every week, and
Speaker 1: I respect eight or nine to fifteen or sixteen are
Speaker 1: all about the same let's start there. Well, just hear
Speaker 1: me out. I think for him to be a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback, I think for a QB index exercise, I
Speaker 1: want to see the Mariota from whatever it was like
Speaker 1: week four, week five through week fourteen last year, that
Speaker 1: guy that got really hot. I feel like we haven't
Speaker 1: seen that guy where he's dominating on the field that way. Well,
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things. They have no
Speaker 1: running game right now, right and they're supposed to be
Speaker 1: a running team, so he's not getting that benefit. For
Speaker 1: the last month, he hasn't been able to run, and
Speaker 1: that's a big part of his game looked a little
Speaker 1: bit big part of their offense. And they didn't have
Speaker 1: Corey Davis, so they had nothing going down the field,
Speaker 1: and now they have a down the field element. Before
Speaker 1: before we move on, I do want to mention this
Speaker 1: is pac Man Jones is returned to Nashville after eleven
Speaker 1: years away, and you're laughing like, oh, this isn't that
Speaker 1: big a deal. But maybe it's because I was covering
Speaker 1: the NFL then. Pacman Jones was the biggest story in
Speaker 1: the NFL in two thousand six. It's almost crazy to
Speaker 1: think how innocent. The times were that his off field
Speaker 1: behavior was the NFL's biggest problem. Think of how low
Speaker 1: that would be on the list of things that are
Speaker 1: a problem for the NFL. Him and Vince Young together,
Speaker 1: and the way he came in and was just a sensation.
Speaker 1: And then what happened in the strip clubs and everything
Speaker 1: that you call it an innocent time. The man got
Speaker 1: shot in the back. Now, that wasn't That wasn't innocent.
Speaker 1: That was not innocent. But I get your overall point.
Speaker 1: My point was like he was the largest family if
Speaker 1: they were podcast list, and here he is eleven years later,
Speaker 1: returning to Nashville, and uh, I just feel like karma.
Speaker 1: There's no way he comes back there and wins. And
Speaker 1: so that's why I'm gonna lock up the title. That
Speaker 1: was the oddest route to a lock I've ever Well,
Speaker 1: you're locking up at home playing Cincinnati, a team we
Speaker 1: forked on our last podcast. I don't know. I wanted
Speaker 1: to lock up the Jets. Okay, you freaked me out
Speaker 1: on it ruined his return of the pack bit. Just
Speaker 1: an update. I just checked the audio. You guys, Greg
Speaker 1: did save I know you you. There was like a
Speaker 1: part where I talked about it for a little bit
Speaker 1: and saving then and then I ended up landing on no.
Speaker 1: Of course we are agreeing now that there if anything
Speaker 1: was conflating about Tuesday, I'll play the sound in here.
Speaker 1: But okay, um, let's shot down respect that. Like Greg,
Speaker 1: none of us are in position to judge you. It's
Speaker 1: only only the man that can look in the mirror.
Speaker 1: What's the problem? I think you think you think the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, who, by the way, or five and three,
Speaker 1: three straight wins and you have top ten quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league. At home we get decimated Cincinnati team that
Speaker 1: we all agree stinks, and then they're they're injured and
Speaker 1: they're not playing well all year and you're locking up
Speaker 1: the home team. I'm just I was honestly looking for
Speaker 1: a point spread under ten with the remaining games, and
Speaker 1: that was like that was one of the I'm not
Speaker 1: aware of what that. Let's move on. The Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 1: are six and two, they're feeling good. They got four
Speaker 1: wins in a row. By the way, we did talk
Speaker 1: to me. Can I switch it to the Jets? Then
Speaker 1: I think I'll leave it to the kissing Cousins. Is
Speaker 1: it okay for I'm fine with any Listen, We're not
Speaker 1: saying you can't do that. I'm not blocking you from
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean, do whatever you want. Honestly, haven't
Speaker 1: go on. You have until the end of the show
Speaker 1: to switch. Okay, okay, West rules, and I stand by that.
Speaker 1: Uh So, the Vikings have won four in a row.
Speaker 1: Last Tuesday, we said that it was a possibility it
Speaker 1: had reported that Sam Bradford was heading to ir That
Speaker 1: has indeed happened. Now Teddy Bridgewater is the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: for Case Keen, and we'll see how long that last,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. The Vikings travel to Washington to face a
Speaker 1: Skins team that just had a huge win in Seattle.
Speaker 1: See how that continues? Yeah, can they keep winning games shorthanded?
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins had two of the best throws of his career,
Speaker 1: really back to back. H I think this is a
Speaker 1: game which maybe says a little bit about the strength
Speaker 1: of the NFC in terms of what's the defense going
Speaker 1: right now, because I don't think of Vikings team would
Speaker 1: have let happened to them what the Seahawks defense did
Speaker 1: at the end of that game, Because I think the
Speaker 1: Vikings defense is to sound and can get too much
Speaker 1: pressure on you. And if they don't have their offensive
Speaker 1: line back in good shape, and it looks like they
Speaker 1: really won't that the Vikings are not going to give
Speaker 1: enough points up in this game to lose one thing.
Speaker 1: In Seahawks defense, they were playing without Earl Thomas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that you know, I would I wouldn't take that
Speaker 1: away from them. But I agree that this is a
Speaker 1: bad matchup for a Redskins team with a her offensive
Speaker 1: line and Jordan Reid nursing a hamstring injury. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long afternoon for any tackle. When
Speaker 1: you're facing Everson Griffin, that's a long afternoon. And then
Speaker 1: you've got the Neil Hunter and Lin Paul Joseph just
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna blow up the Redskins offensive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Cousins up until that final drive, that offense
Speaker 1: was absolutely neutralized. Cousins was and he took six sacks.
Speaker 1: And now you're dealing with a defensive front that is
Speaker 1: just as saucy, and I don't like that matchup for Washington.
Speaker 1: But I something about this Redskins team. I find them
Speaker 1: extremely watchable. I like I like tracking their games, and
Speaker 1: I think that they're going to continue. They have a
Speaker 1: toughness to them. There is there every other game it is.
Speaker 1: It surprised you and they're only I don't want to
Speaker 1: count them out of this game either, because I could
Speaker 1: see them winning. The way they've done with is something
Speaker 1: completely unscripted that we're not expecting to happen. And some
Speaker 1: of the Skins are back in the playoff picture on
Speaker 1: about NFC East playoff, I'm with you on that. In fact,
Speaker 1: I did think about whether to lock up the Redskins
Speaker 1: this week because I and then I came down on
Speaker 1: the Vikings defense has just been too good. So it
Speaker 1: is probably not a smart lock. But it'd be different
Speaker 1: if the Redskins were healthy. Yeah they're they're not, But
Speaker 1: I just I guess I put more into the idea
Speaker 1: of momentum. I think that can be a potentially season
Speaker 1: swinging win in Seattle and seeing them coming home against
Speaker 1: the Vikings team that is maybe due for a loss.
Speaker 1: On some level, I thought it kind of set up
Speaker 1: well for Washington. I would like to see this The
Speaker 1: last four quarterbacks Minnesota's faced Mitch Robinsky, Brett Hunley, a
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco who looks like a high school quarterbook right
Speaker 1: now and Deshon Kaiser fair point when in case Key
Speaker 1: and him is starting this game, and you do wonder
Speaker 1: how many weeks he will continue to start. I think
Speaker 1: that's a week to week proposition. By listening to the coaches,
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that they didn't want Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater to start this game. But he's active, so we
Speaker 1: could see Teddy Bridgewater on the field in theory this weekend.
Speaker 1: I feel like he has he's earned enough rope where
Speaker 1: if they have a bad game, he'd stay in the lineup.
Speaker 1: But if they lose like two out of three or
Speaker 1: something or two in a row, I could see that
Speaker 1: swhich happening. Let's move on to Houston. Texans decimated on
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. No fun to watch. I mean,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe Tom Savage is back in our life.
Speaker 1: By the way, true, Well, just that's a life here.
Speaker 1: That little laugh at the end of he's enjoying the
Speaker 1: scenario too much. They traveled now to Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: they get the Rams. Who um, wow, you one thing
Speaker 1: Mark that I totally uh space done. I knew they
Speaker 1: were playing really well on offense, but then the NFL
Speaker 1: Media Research notes that do such a great job. Our
Speaker 1: research department, the Rams, they have the same UH points
Speaker 1: per game average, is the greatest show on turf right now.
Speaker 1: They are just like lighting teams up this season at
Speaker 1: a level that I don't think anybody could have predicted.
Speaker 1: It's one of the biggest surprises of the season. And
Speaker 1: they certainly did a great job adding less need added
Speaker 1: parts that changed this offense. The coaching staff changed this offense.
Speaker 1: But you're still looking at a team that has a
Speaker 1: lot of similar players from last year. And it's an
Speaker 1: absolute indictment on Jeff Fisher and everything that happened under
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher in Los Angeles and St. Louis. It is
Speaker 1: to me, at least, I don't you can tell me
Speaker 1: you have spoken on that. Yeah, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: going out on a limb. It's like, go on, and
Speaker 1: I'm not alone in this territ I mean. And and
Speaker 1: it also it helps sometimes as the season moves along,
Speaker 1: if you want to keep this momentum going. You know,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with a Giants team last week and utter chaos,
Speaker 1: and now you're getting into Texas team that we just
Speaker 1: talked about going from Aaron Rodgers to Brett Huntley. I
Speaker 1: see an absolutely similar change, and we all do going
Speaker 1: from Deshaun Watson where that offense was one that we
Speaker 1: talked about. And I feel this way that they snuck
Speaker 1: into the playoffs in any position one through six in
Speaker 1: the a f C. With de Shaun Watson, I think
Speaker 1: they could have gotten on a run and beating anyone,
Speaker 1: no matter all their flaws aside. Now they are dead
Speaker 1: in the water and they're gonna get taken out big
Speaker 1: time by the Rams. This sets up well for Son
Speaker 1: of Bump to have another great game. By the way,
Speaker 1: the defense no one wants to talk about the defense
Speaker 1: last month has been fantastic. Well, that would require literally
Speaker 1: zero human courage. So fitting that Tom Savages uh comeback
Speaker 1: attempt ended in a strip sack because he is a
Speaker 1: strip sack waiting to happen, by the way, every time
Speaker 1: he dropped it too. But I mean he by the
Speaker 1: left tackle that they let Dwayne Brown go and it's
Speaker 1: the guy behind him that gave up. He he just
Speaker 1: is so not accurate. It's crazy. I mean, because everything
Speaker 1: up for grabs, gets his receivers and compromising positions. It's
Speaker 1: it's crazy. The turnaround is one of the great coaching
Speaker 1: jobs in history through through eight games. They got to
Speaker 1: do it through eight more. For instance, Football Outsider has
Speaker 1: been keeping track of their you know, efficiency metrics since
Speaker 1: eighties six, and at this point, if they kept it up,
Speaker 1: the Rams are the most improved team in the last
Speaker 1: twenty one years in total, which doesn't which doesn't like
Speaker 1: surprise me. Not only the Rams were bad like last year,
Speaker 1: but they were They were worse than the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: since about nine since about two thousand and five in
Speaker 1: terms of their record, in terms of lacking playoff appearances,
Speaker 1: like they had a worse record than any team in
Speaker 1: the league. And they come in and they make it
Speaker 1: so that as good as Jared Goff is playing, I
Speaker 1: think his job has been so easy because he gets
Speaker 1: protected well, they're not asking him to do much and
Speaker 1: that's great coaching. Like Robert Woods, who he laughed about,
Speaker 1: he's their number one receiver and it's all just like
Speaker 1: it's all taken care of for him. It's almost too easy.
Speaker 1: They got Sammy Watkins involved last week, finally, two big catch.
Speaker 1: The coaching has been phenomenal, But what's the biggest injury
Speaker 1: They've had their mop up duty running back is nursing
Speaker 1: an m c L injury. But they they are the
Speaker 1: healthiest year in the NFL. They they have been lucky
Speaker 1: in that way. But then they take guys like Ogletree
Speaker 1: and he is in a three or four defense somehow
Speaker 1: better I think than he was last year. They take
Speaker 1: a guy like John Johnson, I've never heard of a
Speaker 1: fifth round safety third round, replace him with a longtime veteran.
Speaker 1: Cut the veteran mid season, and John Johnson's making a
Speaker 1: huge difference. And one thing like the previous regime tried
Speaker 1: to create good press for itself by essentially confirming its
Speaker 1: own draft pick by resigning Tavon Austin that big contract
Speaker 1: he was never used. Well, I'm not in love with
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin still, but you're seeing him actually finally be
Speaker 1: minor le productive more than ever before, as like a
Speaker 1: fun gadget player, which maybe he isn't worth being paid
Speaker 1: one of the highest salaries of a wide receiver, but
Speaker 1: he's useful for sure, especially people that know um how
Speaker 1: to run an offense. What about the idea you you
Speaker 1: just put it in my mind, Mark, and I know
Speaker 1: you've privately talked to me about this idea a small
Speaker 1: business wondering, Um, you know the gentleman's club that you've
Speaker 1: always wanted to launch. You know that is not But
Speaker 1: if you called it the strip club, I mean, excuse me.
Speaker 1: If you call it the strip sack, how about that?
Speaker 1: That is? That sounds that would conjure many images that
Speaker 1: people would not need. I think, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: put me in a position here, good name or a
Speaker 1: bad name. Let's let's back the truck up here. I
Speaker 1: never proposed this business to you or anyone. I don't
Speaker 1: have any capital, and it's not really what I would
Speaker 1: put capital into. Secondly, the name does not check out
Speaker 1: for me. History will decide if you really were looking
Speaker 1: to open this type of business. History has already decided.
Speaker 1: Talk about Stinky Davis, all right, admission Mark does not
Speaker 1: plan on opening a strip club. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: major breaking headline to anyone who thought in their hearts otherwise.
Speaker 1: I just I don't want you to assume me Mark.
Speaker 1: The New York Giants are one in seven, one of
Speaker 1: the four teams in the league. Oh, it's the Fork Bowl.
Speaker 1: But between the Giants and the Niners, don't have to
Speaker 1: spend too much time on this one West, But I
Speaker 1: do want a touch on Ben McAdoo, who Now there
Speaker 1: was sources of people inside the Giants locker room who
Speaker 1: are saying that Ben macdoo has lost the team. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is Ray Hanley all over again. You've been telling
Speaker 1: us and it looks like he is out of here.
Speaker 1: And the Giants have a lot of work to do,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna start with finding a new head coach
Speaker 1: in January. It's the same city that former Knicks guard
Speaker 1: Michael Ray Richardson once said about their season. The ship
Speaker 1: be sinking, and that's the Giant seven is sinking. Has
Speaker 1: to go. I did not know what Ben McAdoo gives
Speaker 1: this team. I never saw it with him and an
Speaker 1: uncomfortable haircut, the whole persona. I don't I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he was hired in the first
Speaker 1: It is a little different. I was banging the drum
Speaker 1: of like maybe they'll be patient because he went to
Speaker 1: the playoffs in one of his two seasons. But it
Speaker 1: is a little different because he was in the building
Speaker 1: for a couple of years before becoming head coach, and
Speaker 1: maybe somehow that's part of the equation and it's gotten ugly.
Speaker 1: Steve's bagnolah who by the way, Oh here we go.
Speaker 1: He been waiting for this go ahead. I mean he
Speaker 1: hasn't been covered himself and glory this season. Can we
Speaker 1: agree without the considering the tale here that the players
Speaker 1: are not happy? He questioned. Today he told the reporters
Speaker 1: that they're anonymous sources were made up. Uh, he just
Speaker 1: he just decided that their anonymous sources were made up.
Speaker 1: And then Eli Apple, I thought interestingly, came up. The
Speaker 1: reporters came up and asked him about the anonymous sources,
Speaker 1: and he just said, oh, I don't know anything about that,
Speaker 1: and then he brought a media person over, and then
Speaker 1: the media handler told him Eli will not be speaking
Speaker 1: to the media. It's like that that famous gift of
Speaker 1: Homer Simpson, like going back into the hedges to hide
Speaker 1: by the rams to your spags hate. Which is a
Speaker 1: good time for you to bring it back. They scored
Speaker 1: eight out of the first nine possessions against the Giants,
Speaker 1: and that third and thirty three Robert would touchdown. I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. It is basically a checked
Speaker 1: down pass and he never got touched. Bod I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that I watch it again. No one touched him.
Speaker 1: He went right through the defense. It looks to me
Speaker 1: like a team that really has you see this one
Speaker 1: or two times a year, or if not more, a
Speaker 1: team that's given up on the coach. I will say
Speaker 1: this about the Mannings. What giving quarterbacks? You are? That
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning could tell his time in Indianapolis was potentially
Speaker 1: winding to a close. So a health issue creeps up,
Speaker 1: the team goes into the total tank. Can they get
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck? Now, you're Eli Manning. Your career is over
Speaker 1: after this season. The Giants are going to sneak in
Speaker 1: and get the number one pick, and they're gonna have
Speaker 1: They're gonna be another one of these teams. But forty
Speaker 1: two straight years of a franchise quarterback who made a break, Well,
Speaker 1: this is a big game for the number one pick.
Speaker 1: We I know we got to move on. But if
Speaker 1: the forty Niners don't on this one, I mean, Mark
Speaker 1: just almost impaled me. I was not aimed at you.
Speaker 1: I just threw my pen across the room. I'm tired
Speaker 1: of it. If the forty Niners don't win this, I
Speaker 1: think the O N sixteen watch is real because this
Speaker 1: is the game where you figure, Okay, maybe the forty
Speaker 1: Niners have been playing hard, they get a win, but
Speaker 1: they've lost just in the last couple of weeks. Pierre Garson,
Speaker 1: George Kittle, uh Taylor who was their slot receiver, to
Speaker 1: Quis Guitar, Jimmy Ward, like this was a team that
Speaker 1: was bad already and they're losing pretty much all their
Speaker 1: and they might be starting C. J. Beathard over Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo again, it looks like he's gonna start. He will this,
Speaker 1: but they go into their by and and and yesterday
Speaker 1: Shanahan made it sound like he was very He said
Speaker 1: they were excited to see Garoppolo sooner than later. So
Speaker 1: after the bye week we got Jimmy gotta wa um
Speaker 1: and I do have a Sessler and I wrote about
Speaker 1: it in the Research notes piece this week. Eli Manning
Speaker 1: not gonna get benched. They won't do that to him.
Speaker 1: How about a little Eli Manning Tom Coughlin reunion in
Speaker 1: the off season, I like, I mean, how about the
Speaker 1: Jaguars find a young quarterback to groom? What is I
Speaker 1: had that as a trade deadline thing, but it's like
Speaker 1: you can do both. Believes Eli has some left in
Speaker 1: the tank. He's the perfect fit for them if he
Speaker 1: plays I like pry and with the group, with someone
Speaker 1: groom under him. Not not gonna say he's gonna be
Speaker 1: here for five years so he can be a game manager.
Speaker 1: What do you want Manning does before the snap is
Speaker 1: something that Jaguars need? All right, Let's move on Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football. The New England Patriots six and two, and
Speaker 1: you want to talk about throne of ease. Coming out
Speaker 1: of there bye week, the Packers decide they don't want
Speaker 1: bart Martelli spending around anymore. It just did not work
Speaker 1: and and he had some type of phantom injury, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to get money back apparently from the
Speaker 1: signing bonus. Who makes a waivers claim on Martell S
Speaker 1: Bennett New England Patriots And who's going to have some
Speaker 1: big catches down the stretch for the New England Patriots
Speaker 1: this season. I guarantee you have Marty Bennett's going to
Speaker 1: Congratulations Greg. This was a nice big move because the
Speaker 1: Duane Allen trade. While the trade was has been misunderstood.
Speaker 1: They basically gave up nothing for him. It was a
Speaker 1: salary dump. His spot and his salary he's the sixth
Speaker 1: highest paid player on the team. Has been a disaster
Speaker 1: for them. He has had no impact whatsoever, and they
Speaker 1: could really use a too tight end offense, and Marty
Speaker 1: b should bring that to them when he gets I
Speaker 1: remember the last time this happened, Steelers had no use
Speaker 1: for la Gary Blunt. So the Patriots just picked him
Speaker 1: up at one A title. It's too obvious. So the
Speaker 1: Patriots now they I don't think they left Marty beaut
Speaker 1: it this week, but uh, he will be back soon,
Speaker 1: I guess and making plays from They now traveled to
Speaker 1: Denver to face the Broncos. As we know Tom brady
Speaker 1: career in Denver, it has not gone very well. Three
Speaker 1: and seven overalls, his lowest winning percentage against any team
Speaker 1: in any city. Blah blah, blah, blah blah. Literally the
Speaker 1: only team is even under five hundred again, But Mark,
Speaker 1: do you do you put something into that or is
Speaker 1: it just feel like a Denver team that's so beat
Speaker 1: up and playing poor defensively as well as off Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played a lot of good Denver teams over the years,
Speaker 1: some of those in the playoffs as well. But I
Speaker 1: I look at this team if the Patriots and I know, Greg,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you felt like this might have been
Speaker 1: the kind of game that New England could tumble in,
Speaker 1: and all I'd say is, if that happens, I really
Speaker 1: would be suspicious of the of the Patriots because we
Speaker 1: all know about the brock Os Swidler offense and where
Speaker 1: that's at right now, but the defense as well, since
Speaker 1: weeks six is the worst scoring defense in the NFL. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of that is because the offense is giving
Speaker 1: the ball up on a short field, and some of
Speaker 1: that I put. There's still a good defense, almost all
Speaker 1: of it. Other than last week, I would say they've
Speaker 1: been a great, one of the best defense in league
Speaker 1: except for last week where they got there. All I
Speaker 1: would say is that Eagles game, to me, was an
Speaker 1: absolute exposure of Denver's entire roster. Now they can bounce back,
Speaker 1: but that was an embarrassing loss for the Bronco That
Speaker 1: to me was a coaching loss. They got they got
Speaker 1: schooled by an offense it's tough to prepare for and
Speaker 1: just had what like they schematically It wasn't like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna beat you one on one. It was like
Speaker 1: they got they got confused by what everything Philly was
Speaker 1: sending them and maybe maybe in New England will be
Speaker 1: able to do it. Now you're dealing with Bill Belichick Philly.
Speaker 1: Philly has a pretty unique offense. They have shown over
Speaker 1: the years that they know how to handle Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick, including last year, by the way, when
Speaker 1: the Patriots went into Denver and one, but they had
Speaker 1: one touchdown in the game. It wasn't like they went
Speaker 1: and had a great offensive Profess, why are we seeing
Speaker 1: brock oswa for another week? Vance Joseph got desperate and
Speaker 1: you see this every year. Coaches get desperate and lose
Speaker 1: their minds. You never go full Offsweiler. I feel so
Speaker 1: much better with him playing instead of Simeon. I know
Speaker 1: Simeon struggling, but I think that would give them a
Speaker 1: better chance. I he he gave simmey in a mental
Speaker 1: break because he knows that Simeon wasn't the problem. But
Speaker 1: he if you look at his comments, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to ruin Trevor Simeon's career. So come back this week
Speaker 1: against a pretty bad defense. They think Trevor Simeon is
Speaker 1: salvageable as their quarterback, but they don't want to use
Speaker 1: him right now behind that offensive line. So to me,
Speaker 1: this game is the primary example why all off season
Speaker 1: and even early season schedule analysis is a waste of
Speaker 1: hot air. They are playing against Brock Osweiler, that's all
Speaker 1: you need to say. So you're saying those exercises where
Speaker 1: people go through an entire schedule and tick off wins
Speaker 1: and losses, it's maybe not totally scientific, Like it's like
Speaker 1: the Rams Texans matchup this week too, Like that's a
Speaker 1: game me now, it's like wee weeks ago, that's you
Speaker 1: might write. And at the beginning of this season it
Speaker 1: was a it was a good matchup for the Texans.
Speaker 1: Like dandel analysis is a waste of time, Dan, step
Speaker 1: into the office here, Um, that's our number one ratings
Speaker 1: grabber in August. Are here at the network. And if
Speaker 1: you ever speak down upon the schedule prediction ever again,
Speaker 1: you're out of this industryalking about this this company, they
Speaker 1: will erase you. Like how this Patriots backfield's coming together? Hinally,
Speaker 1: do you I have one question? Sorry, do you actually
Speaker 1: think that the Patriots gonna lose this game? You mentioned
Speaker 1: once Brock was starting. That makes me feel a lot better.
Speaker 1: I think, I think their defense can give the Patriots
Speaker 1: a lot of problems, and I think it will be close. Finally,
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, the Miami Dolphins at four and four,
Speaker 1: losers of two straight travel to Charlotte to face the
Speaker 1: Panthers six and three. By the way, speaking of Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and Cam Newton, a reporter asked Cam on Wednesday
Speaker 1: about the idea of Tom Brady being forty and still
Speaker 1: being great. Does he imagine he could still play at
Speaker 1: a high level at forty. Here's what Kim had to say,
Speaker 1: A bout Tom Brady and Brady's how does he forty?
Speaker 1: Don't know? He may be Benjamin Buttons, man, He's just
Speaker 1: like a g Q model stel right. God, I ain't
Speaker 1: seen no Gray. Ain't seen that now. Hell I look
Speaker 1: at d A now he full of gray already, the
Speaker 1: two or three kids. Man, So oh no, I gotta,
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta. As a matter of fact, shout
Speaker 1: out to Tom Brady sent me one of his book,
Speaker 1: so I am sending. I am reading up on that,
Speaker 1: trying to find out that the cheek codes of pliability. Cam,
Speaker 1: don't take the concussion advice. You know that that the
Speaker 1: hydrated is going to help Benjamin Buttons. Buttons. He has
Speaker 1: a pluralize. It's like a child's magician. He didn't see Titanic.
Speaker 1: He apparently did see that movie. Yeah, the Tanic steel
Speaker 1: has to go. That's interesting and I can vouch for that.
Speaker 1: I was going gray before I had kids. But once
Speaker 1: you have multiple little boys at all, it all goes downhill.
Speaker 1: The multiple US presidencies exactly. Shout out to my boy,
Speaker 1: Harry Hansons, who turned one year old today. Boy. Alright,
Speaker 1: so the here the Panthers at six and three and
Speaker 1: Mark Uhlfin we didn't fork him, got west mad at
Speaker 1: me as he was listening to the show. I was
Speaker 1: frothing at the mouth. There's still alive. I basically only
Speaker 1: did not fork them because I didn't fork him last year.
Speaker 1: Was just doing some type of weird continuity. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: regret it as soon as Monday night. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been shut out twice and one of them was
Speaker 1: an unbelievable forty to nothing lamb basting. It is tough,
Speaker 1: no matter how bad you are, to get shut out
Speaker 1: twice in one NFL season, and their offense has looked
Speaker 1: that should have been three times, and their offenses looked
Speaker 1: that bad week to week. The j color game last
Speaker 1: week was the one performance where I thought he came
Speaker 1: out and played well. Finally, but I don't trust this
Speaker 1: Dolphin team, and I find that the Panthers, for me
Speaker 1: on game pass, I do not enjoy watching their games,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I just do not. It's mostly because
Speaker 1: of their offense. But their defense is tight. Their defense
Speaker 1: is really good at and I considered this game unlockable
Speaker 1: because the Dolphins are one of the worst teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL. They are a few players away from being
Speaker 1: oh and eight right now. I agree to see in
Speaker 1: Lindsay Can confirmed this was originally my lock and then
Speaker 1: I realized, way, this is too much. The Dolphins are
Speaker 1: a bad, bad football team. They legitimately could be oh
Speaker 1: and eight right now with just a few plays going differently,
Speaker 1: and they are in over their heads in this game.
Speaker 1: The Panthers are so much better. I like what I
Speaker 1: saw out of the running game last week. It was
Speaker 1: almost like, let's try let's stop trying to be a
Speaker 1: like a quote unquote NFL offense, and let's just go
Speaker 1: back to some of the creative, crazy running stuff that
Speaker 1: we did back in two thousand in fifteen and even
Speaker 1: back to two thousand thirteen, the team that we kind
Speaker 1: of fell for and was our team of around the
Speaker 1: league back then. This team is not that different. I mean,
Speaker 1: things go right a little bit. They have a top
Speaker 1: one or top two or three defense. If they're lucky,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to run the ball. Like I
Speaker 1: think this this Panther seem hasn't been fun to watch,
Speaker 1: but I think they can be in the mix. But
Speaker 1: I think they are in the middle. I mean I
Speaker 1: thought about it. I think they can. Like if you're
Speaker 1: if someone tells me like they're playing in the NFC Championship,
Speaker 1: like that doesn't that wouldn't shock me right now. I
Speaker 1: think they have enough go All I'd say is that
Speaker 1: to me just in terms of fun, Like you'd be
Speaker 1: removing either the Eagles, the Rams or the Saints to
Speaker 1: have the Panthers in there, and I just don't see
Speaker 1: it happening. They gotta get better, but I think they're
Speaker 1: in position to. All Right, let's see what the Panthers
Speaker 1: do on Monday Night Football. That is the Week ten preview.
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Speaker 1: Mark another spirited Mark performance acting performance. I I feel
Speaker 1: like an Emmy could be coming your way. Mark. I'm
Speaker 1: getting out all real. What you see it's not acting,
Speaker 1: it's what we're really doing. Well, that's what that's what
Speaker 1: the great say. They say, you put yourself in it,
Speaker 1: and it's not. You're not acting. You put yourself into
Speaker 1: that role. That's right. You're a method actor. Your method actor.
Speaker 1: That's what I was see. That's why it's great. Evan
Speaker 1: West around he's like Val Kilmer over here. You're like,
Speaker 1: pay me like Val Kilmer. Then how about that, You're
Speaker 1: like Jared Letto in the Prefontaine movie. That's my that's
Speaker 1: that's his performed. I don't like the Kilmer reff better
Speaker 1: than the Letto reff. Well, if you once you see
Speaker 1: the segment, it'll make more sense. That was the industry
Speaker 1: when they put two Prefontaine movies out at the same
Speaker 1: exact time, needed it and they got it all right,
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's it for today's shows. Dan
Speaker 1: Hanson signing off for Clide Storm, the Great Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: the Mailman uh, the old Boss Ncy Bolton behind the
Speaker 1: glass Still Sunday that