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Speaker 1: Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by room filled with heroes,
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what a lot
Speaker 1: of football To'll talk about today, some good football, some
Speaker 1: bad football, some man football. But Thursday night, Greg and
Speaker 1: I are in the studio and we're talking about how
Speaker 1: great the Steelers looked and how all right for me anyway,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm getting a little juiced up now
Speaker 1: about this idea that the a f C has a real,
Speaker 1: uh powerhouse potential to go up against the Pats. And
Speaker 1: then Sunday today happens, and yeah, the Steelers are not
Speaker 1: in the picture today, but we have two other teams
Speaker 1: that we were kind of hoping would make a move
Speaker 1: that are going in the wrong direction. And increasingly I
Speaker 1: know the this is on your radar, Mark more than ever. Uh.
Speaker 1: It is really a two team race in the a
Speaker 1: f C right now. Stop hoping. It's it's exhausting to
Speaker 1: keep wanting this conference to be something that it's not.
Speaker 1: It's if it's a one year thing, that's fine, but
Speaker 1: it is this week thing where we we try to
Speaker 1: spin mediocrity into something special to observe as a football
Speaker 1: fan is a disservice to football fans. It is what
Speaker 1: it is at best, it's a two team AFC at best.
Speaker 1: Speaking of spinning, just wait until next week when Greg's
Speaker 1: consecutive week stretch of trying to spin the Patriots opponent reaches.
Speaker 1: It's when they the Dolphins always playing the Patriots toff
Speaker 1: that's coming up. I said this week, I thought they'd
Speaker 1: win comfortably. And it's a really poor e f C
Speaker 1: right now. Thirteen teams are four and six are better.
Speaker 1: So like the entire conference is basically alive at four
Speaker 1: and six if you wanted to make a case, but
Speaker 1: there's only two good teams that that's happened sometimes. But
Speaker 1: I think selling the I think it's telling the Steelers
Speaker 1: Shore at some point it's like, what do you want?
Speaker 1: The team's eight and two and has more talent those
Speaker 1: two teams two titanic teams, and you know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a surprise if they don't face I think you're
Speaker 1: being You've been a little to me overly generous of
Speaker 1: the Steelers all year, because that even on Thursday is
Speaker 1: the first time they even scored thirty points. They had
Speaker 1: been kind of a disappointment on some level. Uh, but
Speaker 1: now they're really rolling and scoring points. Now I'm really excited.
Speaker 1: But to Mark's point, it's gonna be hard to really
Speaker 1: talk yourself into one of these other teams. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get through it all, and maybe we'll end up being
Speaker 1: wrong because we're wrong all the time. Uh, That's that's
Speaker 1: just the way it works. That's what it's like being
Speaker 1: a member of the football cognoscenti. And then if you
Speaker 1: are wrong, will you go back and and feel bad
Speaker 1: and take back all of this anger and wish that
Speaker 1: you know you didn't need to do it because Blake
Speaker 1: Portles was gonna win the one. So I simply don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with my stance at the moment. If
Speaker 1: someone is overtly becomes a third team to respect, then
Speaker 1: it's my job to respect them. I will. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what else we're that we're dealing with some technical
Speaker 1: difficult these right now with the Mike's this studio, I
Speaker 1: think they spent like ten million dollars to renovate it.
Speaker 1: Take a couple of zeros off that and a million
Speaker 1: or you know, it was a very expensive job. Put
Speaker 1: it that way. I don't know the price tag. I'm
Speaker 1: not probably of those things. We have all sorts of
Speaker 1: audio issues. Mark's not happy with his box over there,
Speaker 1: and I got a feeling that's gonna come through in
Speaker 1: today's show, and I think I feel like it already is,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about that. As long as someone else
Speaker 1: other than myself benefits, everything is in line. We talked
Speaker 1: about the a f C. Let's start though the NFC,
Speaker 1: the game that was the marquee game on paper between
Speaker 1: UH two seven to two teams going into it, the
Speaker 1: Rams and the Vikings in Minneapolis. Let's talk Keenum shotgun
Speaker 1: takes the snap, big flits by the Rams, so keenom
Speaker 1: passes left fifty Chase Keen just shot a decker right
Speaker 1: through the heart of Team Oh. Put it on the list, Yes,
Speaker 1: Paul Allen k f X and with the call and
Speaker 1: shout out sorry that I don't have uh I don't
Speaker 1: have your name right now. Somebody on Twitter gave me
Speaker 1: a heads up, Hey, check out Paul Allen's Adam Theland
Speaker 1: touchdown call and that was a winner. That's fire right there.
Speaker 1: We like that top ten calls. It's always the first
Speaker 1: show after the Super Bowl. Who will win the coveted
Speaker 1: award this year? Guests who just punched himself a ticket
Speaker 1: into the Top ten? Pauli Allen, nicely done. He's there
Speaker 1: every year. Um. Yes, Adam Theland turned on the Jets
Speaker 1: on that sixty five yard touchdown. Uh. Latavius Murray rushed
Speaker 1: for two touchdowns ninety five yards and the Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 1: shut down the league's best offense in a seven win
Speaker 1: over the Rams. Greg The Rams entered this game averaging
Speaker 1: close to thirty three points per game. They left Minneapolis
Speaker 1: another victim of the new Purple people eaters with them
Speaker 1: over the New Trade market, Baby trade market. They they
Speaker 1: are such a solid defense, and this is Mike Zimmer's
Speaker 1: perfect team come to life. And yet I came out
Speaker 1: of this game really more impressed with their offense on
Speaker 1: some level because they go into halftime, it's a very
Speaker 1: evenly played game. They come out a halftime and they
Speaker 1: win the yardage battle after halftime to eight to fifty seven.
Speaker 1: And before the game Mike Zimmer told the Fox broadcasters,
Speaker 1: we think we're gonna be able to lean on this
Speaker 1: lightweight Rams front line and it's gonna pay dividends over
Speaker 1: the course of the game. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line was fantastic, really just mowed down the
Speaker 1: Rams defensive line. And then when you flip to the
Speaker 1: other side, the Rams just didn't have the ball that
Speaker 1: much in the second half because they forced a couple
Speaker 1: three and ounce on both sides when you needed to
Speaker 1: get a yard or when you need to get two yards.
Speaker 1: The Vikings are gonna get it with ease and Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley and the Rams were not getting it at all.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line getting pushed around, and uh, you're gonna
Speaker 1: win the game in the trenches when you're the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 1: they say, in this crazy two thousand and seventeen in
Speaker 1: which many things are beyond our control, here's something you
Speaker 1: can you can control. Vote for Adam Feeling for the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. And if you are a writer with an
Speaker 1: All Pro vote, consider him opposite Antonio Brown. This guy
Speaker 1: is deserving of an All Pro. I I think he
Speaker 1: he might be the non quarterback m v P of
Speaker 1: the league right now. That's that's that touchdown, by the way,
Speaker 1: and if you haven't seen it, you will eventually, I
Speaker 1: would think, because Luik goes along like that is the
Speaker 1: type of touchdown that makes a quarterback your best friend,
Speaker 1: where you may do all the work and and Case Kingdom,
Speaker 1: who again that job is not going anywhere. Case serves
Speaker 1: to continue to be this team's quarterback. As much as
Speaker 1: we love Teddy Bridgewater story, but he takes the ball,
Speaker 1: he takes stuff and does that's the dagger play of
Speaker 1: the game. If you're Adam feeling, you're on pace to
Speaker 1: have a better campaign than all but two of Randy
Speaker 1: Moss's seasons and one by Jake Reid. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's he is that legitimate receiver. And all these teams
Speaker 1: that have that that end up with their stadium hosting
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and you always get this thing if
Speaker 1: they get out to a quick start, Oh there's a
Speaker 1: chance Team X could show up in their own home
Speaker 1: stadium for the big game. They no, No. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that it usually flames out
Speaker 1: pretty hardcore by by around now, if not much earlier.
Speaker 1: This time around, it's completely legit have a chance they
Speaker 1: have a very good chance. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: thing that coming out of this game, we were gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about one of two things, Minnesota and their
Speaker 1: defense or the Rams in their offense able to continue
Speaker 1: with their pace, and it's the opposite. It's the Minnesota
Speaker 1: side because their defense is a super Bowl worthy defense
Speaker 1: and the feeling he keeps drives going. There was a key, tough,
Speaker 1: close third down catch where he kept the drive going
Speaker 1: they end up scoring. There was an overthrow kind of
Speaker 1: by case Keenum on a play that was wide open,
Speaker 1: schemed beautifully, which Pat Shermer, their offensive coordinator, has done
Speaker 1: all year, or wasn't. Case Keenum his best throat feeling
Speaker 1: makes a great play to catch that to keep it going.
Speaker 1: So he's been incredible. And then you flip it to
Speaker 1: the other side. It was not like this look like
Speaker 1: a one side of game, certainly not for the first half.
Speaker 1: And you look at Cooper cups day and it was
Speaker 1: really just two plays. But they just didn't have the
Speaker 1: ball that much, and these two plays made all the difference.
Speaker 1: He fumbled the ball on the one yard line, a
Speaker 1: nice play by the Vikings defense to force the fumble,
Speaker 1: and he dropped what would have been about a thirty
Speaker 1: yard catch going into the red zone in the second
Speaker 1: half when they still had a chance, and those two
Speaker 1: plays was the margin for error because the Vikings defense
Speaker 1: and their offense was playing too well. One thing I'll
Speaker 1: say that this this the win here was the table
Speaker 1: was set on Wednesday. We're gonna get to a team
Speaker 1: where a team panicked and made a quarterback decision that
Speaker 1: imploded on them. But in this case, Mike Zimmer and
Speaker 1: experienced head coach, made the right decision by not flipping
Speaker 1: the switch at quarterback when it was not deserved to
Speaker 1: be made on Wednesday. If that, if that happens down
Speaker 1: the road, maybe so not yet. Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: your theory that this will happen naturally. If it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: you don't need to force a quarterback change right now.
Speaker 1: There will be a time to do it. And one
Speaker 1: more thing on Adam Feeling, you're talking about what number
Speaker 1: one receivers do, and you mentioned he moved the chains.
Speaker 1: He also beats double coverage, makes plays down the field,
Speaker 1: makes plays in the red zone, and he's the only
Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL with at least five catches in
Speaker 1: every game this year. Let's keep an eye also on
Speaker 1: the Rams. Now we've had obviously still a very good
Speaker 1: season at seven and three. They are the team of
Speaker 1: a t L for a reason. We believe in them.
Speaker 1: But now they get the Saints at home at Arizona
Speaker 1: home against Eagles at Seattle. They gotta put up some
Speaker 1: winds still here to keep the train going. I hope
Speaker 1: we did. I hope we didn't drink them because we
Speaker 1: mentioned how they've had great injury luck on Thursday's show
Speaker 1: and they had two cornerbacks go out in this game,
Speaker 1: and after that happened, including that feeling play. It was
Speaker 1: on one of the replacements for their two cornerbacks that
Speaker 1: went out, and you know the whole they get him back.
Speaker 1: News alert. We don't hold that power. But I don't
Speaker 1: think fans are feeling sorry for them right now. No,
Speaker 1: probably not. Let's move on to another big NFC matchup.
Speaker 1: Will Loots caps his right foot, most puts it down,
Speaker 1: lets has it on its way, and the Saints wins.
Speaker 1: Will Loots berries the field goal, an epic collapsed by
Speaker 1: the Redskins, and an epic comeback by the Saints results
Speaker 1: in their eight straight victory jim Henderson w w L
Speaker 1: with the call. The Saints wiped at a fifteen point
Speaker 1: deficit in the final six minutes of the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: then ended the game with h chip shot field goal
Speaker 1: in overtime to top the Redskins thirty thirty one at
Speaker 1: the Superdome. Chris Westling, that's as we heard from Jimmy Henderson.
Speaker 1: Eighth straight wins for the Saints, who are in control
Speaker 1: of the NFC South. Uh. How did the change? How
Speaker 1: did the game change its trajectory so quickly? It didn't
Speaker 1: happen until last three minutes. Drew Brees hit on eleven
Speaker 1: straight completions to close out regulation, including two touchdowns, and
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara had a juggling touchdown and a two point
Speaker 1: conversion in there. Um And really, Kirk Cousins really missed
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson when he went out, especially on the last
Speaker 1: drive and regulation. That's his sidecar and the shotgun, and
Speaker 1: you're playing instead with a rookie like somag Priyan who
Speaker 1: dropped the ball in overtime. Uh, it's a shame that
Speaker 1: people are gonna watch this game after they turned on
Speaker 1: UM whatever other games they were watching in the early
Speaker 1: time slot. And they're gonna see Kirk Cousins come up short.
Speaker 1: In that final drive. He had I think maybe my
Speaker 1: favorite quarterback game of the season. For fifty nine minutes.
Speaker 1: He stood tough in the pocket, took hit after hit,
Speaker 1: made the turkey hole throws down the sideline, took a
Speaker 1: helmet the helmet shot Jay Gruden, then pulled off a
Speaker 1: fake punt on fourth and one deep in his own territory.
Speaker 1: Cousins led them down the field, got clabbered by a
Speaker 1: blitz and hit Ryan Grant for a forty yard touchdown
Speaker 1: at one point when they took a big lead, and
Speaker 1: they just showed a toughness for fifty nine minutes. It's
Speaker 1: a shame that they crumbled down the stretch, UH with
Speaker 1: injuries and I think they just got tired. But this
Speaker 1: was the inverse of that Seattle game that the Redskins
Speaker 1: had where Cousins made those two big throws after a
Speaker 1: whole game of not being able to move the offense,
Speaker 1: and this game he came up short at the end
Speaker 1: after having just a phenomenal game for fifty nine minutes.
Speaker 1: Devastating loss for the Redskins, who fall to four and
Speaker 1: six and in a hyper competitive NFC. Uh, we might
Speaker 1: have to be, you know, taking out the forks at
Speaker 1: the very at the very least, they're gonna come up
Speaker 1: over Danas and the NFC. If they were in the FC,
Speaker 1: I'd give them a pretty decent change, but they are
Speaker 1: not in the FC. They're in the NFC. So the
Speaker 1: Redskins and then you have to sit and choo on
Speaker 1: this one mark because this game is there, and just
Speaker 1: think if they close out this game like they will,
Speaker 1: well according to the win probability tweets that I saw
Speaker 1: nine point seven percent chance they we're gonna win this
Speaker 1: game with six minutes to play, and they're and they're
Speaker 1: at five and five and coming off a huge road win.
Speaker 1: But everything blew up and the redsin is gonna stick
Speaker 1: with him for a while. Well, in credit to the Saints,
Speaker 1: because they now are rolling with extreme confidence that whatever
Speaker 1: situation they are in, and they've done it enough times
Speaker 1: this year to believe it that they can win no
Speaker 1: matter what what they're facing. And today what impresses me
Speaker 1: is you look up that five hundred and what fifty
Speaker 1: plus yards for the Saints, much of it through the air.
Speaker 1: Where we were just talking about how dominant they've been
Speaker 1: on the ground and the Drew Brees is sort of
Speaker 1: fading into the background in a very appropriate and friendly
Speaker 1: way if you're a Saints fan. But then today obviously
Speaker 1: made some huge throws down the stretch. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: big done the stretch, and you have to credit mark Ingram,
Speaker 1: who was running as well as anyone in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Right now, I would love to see a side by
Speaker 1: side comparison of Mark Ingram and DeMarco Murray entering a
Speaker 1: hole with one defender to beat. Ingram makes that guy
Speaker 1: miss every time, and Murray never makes that guy miss.
Speaker 1: It's wold. Komara is averaging to combine with Ingram a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen yards from scrimmage in the six games
Speaker 1: since Adrian Peterson was traded, with five touchdowns, and Ingram's playing,
Speaker 1: as you said, maybe as well as any running back
Speaker 1: in the league. That Peterson trade, just getting rid of
Speaker 1: him was like the trade the trade of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ingram's averaging a hundred and thirteen yards or no, Kamara
Speaker 1: has averaging thirteen since then. Ingram's our averaging over. Let's
Speaker 1: move up, man, he takes the snap that bring pressure,
Speaker 1: He's gonna lob one down the left sideline. In the past,
Speaker 1: it's caught at the three like Lewis that was he
Speaker 1: contacted down. There's a flag on the plane. Pass interferents
Speaker 1: with touchdown one or the other. Look at this catch.
Speaker 1: He was interfered with. What a catch, Bob Papa there
Speaker 1: with the call he was interfered with. Roger Lewis made
Speaker 1: the catch was not in not a touchdown, but put
Speaker 1: the Giants at the goal line, chip shot field goal
Speaker 1: and that was all she wrote. The New York Giants
Speaker 1: a twelve nine win over the Kansas City Chiefs at
Speaker 1: the meadow Lands. Uh. And man, you know this is
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs five and oh once point a time
Speaker 1: the Chiefs for five and oh. Kareem Hunt was an
Speaker 1: m VP candidate in addition to a Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Year lock. Uh. They put four fifty yards on the
Speaker 1: Patriots in Week one, had the tiebreaker there, and you
Speaker 1: were thinking that, you know, the road to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl might go through k C. Six weeks later they've
Speaker 1: lost four or five and this game, really, obviously, when
Speaker 1: you only score nine points tells you something. But the
Speaker 1: Giants had given up eighty two points in their previous
Speaker 1: two games. There was a mutiny of foot. Their defense
Speaker 1: had been a total total disaster and disappointment this season.
Speaker 1: So for the Chiefs inability in this game, um greg
Speaker 1: to score a touchdown through four quarters through overtime. Uh,
Speaker 1: they did not score very well in their game coming
Speaker 1: but going into the by they they have scored no
Speaker 1: touchdowns and I think we're getting in fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 1: possessions now for the Chiefs, and this is a totally
Speaker 1: different look than the team that was shocking the world
Speaker 1: in September. That Steeler's loss set them back. They haven't
Speaker 1: been the same offense since then. They had a pretty
Speaker 1: good night against Oakland, which they ended up losing. Offensively,
Speaker 1: weren't great against Denver, weren't great against Dallas, weren't great
Speaker 1: against the Giants. They were counting on, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: yard place seventy yard plays. They were on a historic
Speaker 1: play pace of big plays week after week. Suddenly when
Speaker 1: you can't scheme up big plays. And I think Andy
Speaker 1: Reid came into this season with a lot of great
Speaker 1: ideas and maybe it's his offensive coordinator, Matt Naggy was
Speaker 1: getting a lot of of pub as a possible head coach.
Speaker 1: They came up with so many exciting ideas teams all
Speaker 1: around the league. We're stealing them. But five weeks into
Speaker 1: the season, I think defenses started catching up and figuring
Speaker 1: out how to defend those plays. And now the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are just kind of another team. And seven touchdowns and
Speaker 1: last five games, So that's what we're talking about. And
Speaker 1: if they're increasingly the offense is looking like that annoying
Speaker 1: Alex Smith Chief's offense that has you know, kind of
Speaker 1: gotten on everyone's radar in past years. And what led
Speaker 1: to talk in the summer about when is Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: get played? And I don't know if that's something that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen this year. But now the doors open a
Speaker 1: little bit if this continues, because and we'll get to
Speaker 1: the Raiders. The Raiders didn't do their job today. So
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are still okay in the a f C West,
Speaker 1: but you have to wonder what's gonna happen. I mean
Speaker 1: the other thing, Andy Reid West, you know this that
Speaker 1: everybody knows the stet famously great coming out of his
Speaker 1: by sixteen and two, so to come out of the
Speaker 1: by against one of the worst teams in the league,
Speaker 1: and still Benner, something is wrong and Cannaggie and read
Speaker 1: figure it out before it's too late. That's the question.
Speaker 1: I take back everything I said on Thursday when I
Speaker 1: said the Chiefs were still one of the absolute titans
Speaker 1: of the a f C and a true contender. And
Speaker 1: you know, all these years we didn't give them enough
Speaker 1: credit and now they deserve the ben off the doubt.
Speaker 1: They burned me against against the dog Giants, the laying
Speaker 1: dog Giants. They burned me against that team. The last
Speaker 1: time we saw a team fall to the gilt, the
Speaker 1: are you Chiefs? Do you know what West has been
Speaker 1: through this year? The last time we saw a team
Speaker 1: fall like this to the Giants, the Broncos haven't won
Speaker 1: a game since then. If you lose to the Giants,
Speaker 1: you're dead. To me. I will play the Greg role
Speaker 1: for a minute, though, and let you know that if
Speaker 1: you're Kansas City no no, no, yes, dashing handsome Swift,
Speaker 1: I would say this, you have the Bills, Jets, Raiders, Chargers, Dolphins,
Speaker 1: and Broncos left on your schedule. It's this is one
Speaker 1: of the most disappointing swoons because suddenly we had the
Speaker 1: Chiefs team. We thought that they had finally shed their
Speaker 1: snake skin and become something else, and they were right
Speaker 1: back where we started with this whole thing. But record
Speaker 1: wise in terms of their schedule, if they can't get
Speaker 1: into a topic, yeah, you Otherwise the a f C
Speaker 1: is truly as a game, like you wonder like how
Speaker 1: messed up they are right now? And I you know,
Speaker 1: and I will say because there there could be some
Speaker 1: some Chiefs fans that come after me on Twitter and like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you're not talking about the condition. Conditions at the Medal Ends,
Speaker 1: it was very windy and that is not conducive to
Speaker 1: throwing the ball down field. But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you can completely wipe out the effort and say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just because of the wind. And that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs, and in a sense of desperation at
Speaker 1: six six, with seven minutes of playing the game again
Speaker 1: on a wind swept day at the Medal Lands, have
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey throwing a forty yard bomb down field that
Speaker 1: gets intercepted, when if you just played smart and maybe
Speaker 1: matriculated down the field, you can kick a field goal
Speaker 1: and go home. But instead this is the story of
Speaker 1: the Chiefs right now. Everything that was working, all the
Speaker 1: quick strikes, all the all the cute and stuff, that's
Speaker 1: all out the window now. And they're a boring team
Speaker 1: and a boring off because can also conditions treat two
Speaker 1: teams equally. It was blustery when the Giants run offense
Speaker 1: as well, and Roger Lewis, Yeah, still made that catch.
Speaker 1: I mean that catch was unbelievable. It kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of last week Sterling Shepard made a one handed
Speaker 1: catch and like both of those catches, this a little
Speaker 1: off top both those catches. If they happened in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, that would have been like the best catch
Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties, Like the most athletic. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Is how good yea ragel? You ever seen? Right?
Speaker 1: What you're talking about? My friend Jerry Rice, that is
Speaker 1: maybe the most useless quote you remember had on this.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, watch this during Shepherd, watch this listening. People
Speaker 1: weren't making One of my point is we're taking for
Speaker 1: granted these athletics one handed No, it wasn't happened. I
Speaker 1: would say this, go go back in a time machine
Speaker 1: to the eighties when you were three years old, and
Speaker 1: watch any ten minute ticker game with Jay Rice in
Speaker 1: Montana's Niners. They were doing this every week stuff ten
Speaker 1: times more sensational. Missing you should have get so upset.
Speaker 1: West and Mark, you're off there with the three year
Speaker 1: old comment. Greg was born at thirty two. West Chandler
Speaker 1: made those plays on a weekly basis. Plus Town Liver
Speaker 1: off in a big spot. Could you make any better
Speaker 1: a reference? Let's move on and another disappointing a FC team.
Speaker 1: Let's put down Grundy Cook's touchdown. New England Patriots Amando
Speaker 1: Ko Fox. Yes, Yes, the throne of ease does travel south.
Speaker 1: The Patriots are in cruise control. I said, the throne
Speaker 1: of ease travels down south. Lindsay m VP favorite Tom
Speaker 1: Brady through three touchdown passes, including that fifty, including that
Speaker 1: deep ball to Brandon Cooks, and the Patriots coasted to
Speaker 1: a thirty three to eight win over the Raiders. Greg
Speaker 1: Gonner the days when there was a legitimate worry about
Speaker 1: upon the throne of ease. The Pats look like them,
Speaker 1: say Elves, which means they're basically unstoppable. It it's the
Speaker 1: best offense in the league. It's obviously, in my mind,
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league. He now has fifty
Speaker 1: and fifty touchdowns and four interceptions since the start of
Speaker 1: last season. I mean those that those are just preposterous numbers.
Speaker 1: And a couple of the touchdowns today where he's going
Speaker 1: to his second or third read, where he's scanning all
Speaker 1: across the field, where he's got he's starting left, and
Speaker 1: then at the last second he goes to his right.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy how he can see the entire defense
Speaker 1: and knows what's gonna happen before it happens. And him
Speaker 1: having a big day against the Raiders, who might be
Speaker 1: the worst defensive league was about as predictable as the
Speaker 1: NFL gets. Can we put to bed the most tired
Speaker 1: storyline in this entire season, which is every game including today,
Speaker 1: the announcer talking about the yardage spilled against New England's defense.
Speaker 1: They haven't allowed seventeen plus points since Week four. It
Speaker 1: is an exhausting narrative. Their defense is back on track
Speaker 1: enough concern over that it's absolutely on track and holding
Speaker 1: the Raiders down like this, uh is a great sign.
Speaker 1: I mean they and they don't have like I don't
Speaker 1: know what we're gonna learn about the Patriots. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean every game is gonna beat this easy, but other
Speaker 1: than the week fifteen game at Pittsburgh, they don't. They've
Speaker 1: had They've got a lot of luck in terms of
Speaker 1: the schedule lately. You thought I was kidding Dan when
Speaker 1: you were talking about gradual decline, and I said he
Speaker 1: was just hitting his prime. Yeah, he was just hitting you.
Speaker 1: Hear quarterbacks talk about if only I could keep my
Speaker 1: physical skills when mentally I was on top of my game.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's done. He's kept all of his
Speaker 1: physical skills. He did it five years ago, but since
Speaker 1: then he's recaptured them to his hard working credit and
Speaker 1: mentally well, hold on, So what does it say about
Speaker 1: our society that all anyone does is make fun of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady for his regime, his diet X Y and
Speaker 1: Z film the blank. He it's it's a he's a
Speaker 1: laughing stock on the level because of it. People point
Speaker 1: fun of it, but then he's actually doing it in
Speaker 1: the field. Well, the answer to the question is it's
Speaker 1: not just everyone. You have to respect that what he's
Speaker 1: been able to do with his own body. But he's
Speaker 1: trying to turn himself into an empire. And then some
Speaker 1: people will point out people dismiss people, dismiss has diet entirely.
Speaker 1: You know, people that go after Tom Brady go after
Speaker 1: him more. I think because he's trying to sell people
Speaker 1: on a lifestyle that's probably not attainable for the average joe,
Speaker 1: what he can do and the what he has access to.
Speaker 1: And then some of the claims that his trainer makes
Speaker 1: about different like what watered in taking some of that
Speaker 1: stuff smells like maybe a bit of a sky. I
Speaker 1: agree with some of it, but I'll say this, I
Speaker 1: don't know if a scam, I wouldn't use the word scam,
Speaker 1: but I would say this, there are at least thirty
Speaker 1: one other NFL quarterbacks with the means to give it
Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah, and I think a lot of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's all across sports. I mean,
Speaker 1: Lebron James is basically the Tom Brady of NBA at
Speaker 1: this point, and I think sport you know, that's part
Speaker 1: of sports science, and that's amazing. And the fact that
Speaker 1: the biggest edition, not only with the nutrition, is that
Speaker 1: he has Bill Belichick on his side. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got Bill Belichick, who's now undefeated against Jack del Rio
Speaker 1: going up against Ken Norton. He's got Josh McDaniels, he's
Speaker 1: got a system that he's been in. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a million different things going right. And then I'm a
Speaker 1: Raiders fan. I'm watching that game and I think, like,
Speaker 1: this is not a well coached team. No team struggles
Speaker 1: to get the snap off more than the Raiders week
Speaker 1: after week. It's like they either take delays the games,
Speaker 1: or they have to call time outs, or they're struggling
Speaker 1: to get snaps off, or there's miscommunications in the backfield.
Speaker 1: It's not a well coached team. I think they are
Speaker 1: now the leader for me, and the biggest disappointment of
Speaker 1: the season that the rate they weren't even competitive in
Speaker 1: a very important game for them today, and they've just
Speaker 1: been a bad team basically since Week three and zero identities.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be a super Bowl contender this year.
Speaker 1: In my mind, they haven't been in the wild card
Speaker 1: race for a few few weeks. And it's because of
Speaker 1: what you said. They're not a good team. So I
Speaker 1: don't care what their record is. You can watch them
Speaker 1: play and they've got one of the worst secondaries we've
Speaker 1: seen and instead of the offense making up for that,
Speaker 1: the offense has gotten much worse. So I just watched
Speaker 1: and play and I don't worry about them in the wild.
Speaker 1: By the way, get ready for a month full of
Speaker 1: US propping up. This week fifteen Steelers Patriots game, New
Speaker 1: England wins by twenty the Raiders. The Raiders got the
Speaker 1: running game going today, but the receivers have have killed
Speaker 1: them week after week. Before we move on, I do
Speaker 1: want to give a little shout out to our listeners
Speaker 1: in Mexico who showed up strong at a Stadio Secca.
Speaker 1: The atmosphere there was incredible and the energy. I wish
Speaker 1: they had gotten a better game when the when the
Speaker 1: two teams came out and they showed some footage of
Speaker 1: this for the pregame introduction, this long, crazy walk down
Speaker 1: because the locker room is so far and it's elevated
Speaker 1: that the crowd was going wild. I mean it was
Speaker 1: during the pregame too. It was like an unbelievable performance,
Speaker 1: mostly by Raiders fan but a lot of Patriots fans.
Speaker 1: How is how is Tony Romo in a vast blowout
Speaker 1: that they were fun him and him and nancw for
Speaker 1: everybody was bored. They we're watching the game if you're
Speaker 1: calling the games. Two vastly different critiques. Romo was good, though,
Speaker 1: I mean they did fist at his desk. Loose Cannon
Speaker 1: was sending out a bunch of tweets. Dan is now
Speaker 1: more disappointed when the Patriots lose than when I mean
Speaker 1: when the Patriots whin than when the Jets lose. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many Loose Cannon gifts of what's her name is
Speaker 1: drinking a gigantic glass of wine. I like that, that's
Speaker 1: like her own meme. Now you know what I want, No,
Speaker 1: you know what I want, Greig. If the Patriots are
Speaker 1: going to be involved with high profile games, give me
Speaker 1: something that's fun to watch, because great nothing is not
Speaker 1: fun to I mean, greatness should be fun on some level.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's only you better learn to appreciate him now.
Speaker 1: They also announced they're staying there till they're coming back
Speaker 1: every year. Game nice um. Last word from Rob Gronkowski.
Speaker 1: It was just a fiesta all over the field. Man
Speaker 1: snapped Peterman Fade's back and he slings to the form
Speaker 1: offt and accepted a bunch m Williams. He brings us
Speaker 1: up the fort he gets knocked down there. That's five
Speaker 1: interceptions for Nathan Peterman and the Chargers half their defense
Speaker 1: to the end zone. Anybody know that voice? That is
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith, the voice raised by this podcast from
Speaker 1: a see yes, the voice of the Chargers, and that
Speaker 1: money Smith. Nate Peterman through five interceptions in the first
Speaker 1: half of his first ever career start, oh my goodness
Speaker 1: motto and a career beginning apocalypse that prompted an awkward
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor relief appearance as the Chargers laughed their way
Speaker 1: to a fifty four to win over the Bills at
Speaker 1: the stub mark, the Chargers are pretty damn good? Uh
Speaker 1: five and six or the four and six or and six.
Speaker 1: The Bills meanwhile, embarrassed themselves up and down the food
Speaker 1: chain over the last five days, culminating with Sunday's meltdown.
Speaker 1: Lot of finger pointing to go around in Western New
Speaker 1: York after this one. It starts with Peterman. If you
Speaker 1: want to talk about on the field, the first pick
Speaker 1: bounced off the hands of his full back, and I
Speaker 1: went back and I missed that and went I want
Speaker 1: to make sure it's his fault that wasn't. The next
Speaker 1: four were. They were awful throws. And this guy, what
Speaker 1: are you asking a rookie to do to come in
Speaker 1: cold like this. He's not seeing the field and you're
Speaker 1: dealing with Joey Bosa all over you. I mean, the
Speaker 1: first three interceptions had Joey Bosa's fingerprints all over them,
Speaker 1: even though they weren't officially sacks. He's in the there
Speaker 1: was no pocket for Peterman to throw from. That said,
Speaker 1: the real finger pointing is a team that totally panicked
Speaker 1: to the reverse of what we talked about with Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You for some reason where no one's calling Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 1: a top five talent, but you flipped the switch. You
Speaker 1: put in Peterman with the season still, we still have
Speaker 1: a winning record, You're five and four everything. Now you
Speaker 1: have a lot of explaining to do. If you're Sean
Speaker 1: mcdern in a Coach of the Year candidate weeks ago
Speaker 1: to your locker room, you have to explain to them
Speaker 1: why this looked like a good decision to you, and
Speaker 1: the fall out I think could be pretty fierce. McDermot
Speaker 1: he was asked about the meltdown by his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to set well, it wasn't what
Speaker 1: he had hoped for or or we had hoped for. Um,
Speaker 1: you know he at the same time, I you know
Speaker 1: when you when you put a young player out there,
Speaker 1: a young quarterback, that there's gonna be some ups and downs,
Speaker 1: and this is part of it. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of It's very easy West to be an armchair
Speaker 1: uh coach or whatever and be like, well, it didn't
Speaker 1: make sense, uh to put this fifth round rookie on
Speaker 1: the road against the fearsome pass rush like the Chargers.
Speaker 1: But in this case that was exactly the truth, and
Speaker 1: everybody else could see it. How did the Bills and
Speaker 1: not see that this? Nobody thought it could go this bad,
Speaker 1: but they left themselves wide open and hurt the kid
Speaker 1: in the process. Well, you know that coaching staffs are
Speaker 1: taking a ton of time and watching all the film,
Speaker 1: and these are informed decisions. And it's understandable that you
Speaker 1: had reached the conclusion that Tyrod Taylor is not your
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Totally understandable. What's not understandable to me is
Speaker 1: that you would prime your rookie quarterback and put him
Speaker 1: into this first career game on the road against the
Speaker 1: best pass rushing tandem in the NFL. To me, that
Speaker 1: was I I think it's okay to say, okay, Tyrod
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor is not the answer, but the time even
Speaker 1: of the move was headscratched. Well right, and this isn't
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, It's a fifth round pick. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why Tyrod Taylor is making sixteen million dollars,
Speaker 1: why Andy Dalton's making that much, why brock Oswiler got overpaid,
Speaker 1: because average starting quarterbacks is worth a lot. Because the
Speaker 1: difference between average, which is Tyrod Taylor and just kind
Speaker 1: of like a rookie starting his first game or a
Speaker 1: replacement level is a massive difference. Well, I think that's
Speaker 1: why you see teams when they give up on a season.
Speaker 1: It usually happens in mid December, not mid November, especially
Speaker 1: when they're by records, still in the race. Now, quarterback
Speaker 1: is not the only problem with this team. They're very
Speaker 1: much in the race. I mean, they're they're tied in
Speaker 1: the same way the Raiders are in the team. I
Speaker 1: would think they'd bring back Tyrode next week. He would
Speaker 1: not answer that question after the game. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you don't you're not that you're the Chiefs next week.
Speaker 1: By the week on the road in Kansas City, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing again. He wouldn't He wouldn't answer.
Speaker 1: He said he would consider Peterman, but he had to watch.
Speaker 1: It's a tricky spot because, well, you've put yourself in
Speaker 1: this position, But Nathan Peterman, if you like him, you
Speaker 1: want to give him another chance to to wash the
Speaker 1: taste out of his mouth of this game. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, yeah, you are five and five still
Speaker 1: and still in the playoff mix. I mean, they shot
Speaker 1: themselves on the foot. And again, if you're a Bills fan,
Speaker 1: it's got to be so frustrating because three weeks ago
Speaker 1: everything was great and and now you're kind of a
Speaker 1: laughing stock. And this is a humiliating performance. The Chargers
Speaker 1: had about three hundred yards with twelve minutes left in
Speaker 1: the third quarter. So this Bill's defense, which is Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott's defense and got a lot of love, has collapsed
Speaker 1: as much as the offense, if not more. They weren't
Speaker 1: gonna win this game no matter what because of the quarterback,
Speaker 1: but the defense is not playing to a level that
Speaker 1: they're gonna go anywhere, win any games anywhere, because you
Speaker 1: can talk early that the short field killed the Bills
Speaker 1: over and over on defense, but it's the it's the
Speaker 1: ground game in the weeks two weeks previous to this
Speaker 1: that let them down. It happened through the air. Today.
Speaker 1: I think Rivers played one of his best games. Had
Speaker 1: a lot to do with Buffalo's defense, though the Bill's
Speaker 1: defense has allowed more points in the last two weeks
Speaker 1: than the Jaguars have allowed in the last eight weeks.
Speaker 1: Chargers not dead yet. They're the one, four and six
Speaker 1: team where you're like, they should probably know, but we
Speaker 1: can say that about all these a FC teams from
Speaker 1: now until the Chargers. Chargers are actually a pretty decent
Speaker 1: Chargers in the Ravens are the ones. The two ones
Speaker 1: we said on this podcast last week. We're like, well,
Speaker 1: those teams actually are okay, right, they can beat bad teams.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem, and you guys are right, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. But they're the Chargers and what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do is blow another couple of games. That's gonna kill
Speaker 1: them because they do it. That's what the Chargers do.
Speaker 1: I hope not, because at least they can be frisky
Speaker 1: when they get hot like they did today. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the Bills, to West's point, have given up a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty five points in the last three games. That's
Speaker 1: a team record. And in heartless Rota World headline news
Speaker 1: Peterman wets bed and first start with five I N
Speaker 1: T s. That's pretty rough? Are they wrong? They're not
Speaker 1: wrong at all. You won't find that headline on NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. That would not be allowed out of the gate.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a picture I believe is Mike Daniels
Speaker 1: number seventy six for the Packers, whoever, whoever seventy six
Speaker 1: there there's a picture of him circulating around. He literally
Speaker 1: wet his pants today on the field. Some surprise. That
Speaker 1: doesn't happen war in the I think it does. But
Speaker 1: they were wearing those like baize sort of Packers color.
Speaker 1: He's a tan on the piece game. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a three year old and a one year old boy,
Speaker 1: so I'm so used to men wedding themselves now it's
Speaker 1: not even a big deal. Final find age five, final
Speaker 1: final note. But for me on this game, Kelvin Benjamin,
Speaker 1: do you think he misses the Panthers oh and three?
Speaker 1: Since he got traded there and he jacked up his
Speaker 1: knee on his first and only catch of the day.
Speaker 1: What a nightmare it's been for that guy. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Humble takes the snap and rolls to his left, not
Speaker 1: it was right, sets up in wobbles one to the
Speaker 1: and it's intercepted again. Eric Weddell intercepted it. That's two
Speaker 1: possessions and two interceptions for Brett Huntley, Jerry Sandusky w
Speaker 1: b A L with the call. The Ravens D Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're the real deal. Baltimore forced five Packers turnovers a
Speaker 1: twenty three zero win. I stumbled over that because sometimes
Speaker 1: I think real broadcasters don't like to say nothing. And
Speaker 1: I just said I was trying to be a pro
Speaker 1: there and I said zero, and that didn't feel right.
Speaker 1: That didn't feel right at all. I think you can
Speaker 1: say nothing. I think nothing's cool. That's win over the
Speaker 1: Packers at lambeau Field. We now welcome and Nick Shook,
Speaker 1: who is looking refreshed after a podcast by in week ten.
Speaker 1: Although we know he wasn't resting. He's getting his pump
Speaker 1: out Chuck, Like I said, Hey, Chuck, how are you fantastic?
Speaker 1: I'm playing a little hurt today, But you're a warrior, um,
Speaker 1: and we we are not going to hold it against
Speaker 1: you that you're wearing a Rich Eysen podcast well long
Speaker 1: sleeve T shirt right now. This was a freebe and
Speaker 1: I have yet to receive a freebee from the around
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's a fair retort. Fair retort. Anyway. Five
Speaker 1: turnovers to the Ravens. That is their third shut out
Speaker 1: of the season, and they suddenly have the look of
Speaker 1: a team that could could be and maybe should be
Speaker 1: playing in January, especially again in this conference. You want
Speaker 1: to put a lot of this on Brett Hunley, and
Speaker 1: you can because he's not a good quarterback. But Baltimore's
Speaker 1: defense brought so much pressure in this game that he
Speaker 1: was he was fighting uphill battle almost from the word
Speaker 1: go um, you know, every time it seemed he dropped
Speaker 1: back either he was getting rushed from the middle, he
Speaker 1: was getting rushed from around the edge. Darrell Suggs had
Speaker 1: a great day, Matt Judon had a great day. They
Speaker 1: forced a lot of turnovers. Hunley had three himself, two
Speaker 1: interceptions in one strip, sack for a fumble, and the
Speaker 1: Packers couldn't get going for a lot of this game.
Speaker 1: It was Hey, one team gets in the red zone,
Speaker 1: turns the ball over. The other team gets in the
Speaker 1: red zone, turns the ball over, goes back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth. But eventually Baltimore was able to capitalize
Speaker 1: enough to pitch the shut out and come away with
Speaker 1: a three score win. West. Do you think this is you?
Speaker 1: When Huny entered the lineup, you said, the Packers no
Speaker 1: reason to panic. They've been building this guy up. This
Speaker 1: has to be seen for that organization is a failure.
Speaker 1: That that bred Hundley has come in and kind of
Speaker 1: shipwrecked their season. It doesn't seem like they have a
Speaker 1: chance with him right now. Yeah. I think the day
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers got hurt, I came on this podcast
Speaker 1: and said, you'll see that the talent on the Packers
Speaker 1: offense isn't that good. They're just not that good. The
Speaker 1: offensive line been banged up, oh year, they don't have
Speaker 1: speedy wide receivers. But that that said, I have no
Speaker 1: problem going with the guy you've been developing for three
Speaker 1: years and other teams wanted to trade for on draft weekend.
Speaker 1: But undeniably the results have been catastrophic for catastrophic for them.
Speaker 1: It's just been bad resolves. They've been bred. Hudley has
Speaker 1: been awful. This is the Ravens recipe because they weren't
Speaker 1: any better on offense. They had two nineteen yards it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not say teams win games very often
Speaker 1: with two nineteen with that low of a yardage figure,
Speaker 1: much less win a game twenty three to nothing. I
Speaker 1: saw an interesting tweet that listed the Ravens last six games,
Speaker 1: and then it was compliment with the comment of defense
Speaker 1: good enough to win all six, offense bad enough to
Speaker 1: lose all six. They they've told us who they are
Speaker 1: this year. We know who the Ravens are. They absolutely
Speaker 1: pulverize bad quarterbacks and bad offenses and they lose two
Speaker 1: good teams. I mean, it's another shutout for them. So
Speaker 1: maybe this is the team I think in the a
Speaker 1: f C that's gonna not sneak in because you're not.
Speaker 1: There's no one's sneaking into the playoffs. You're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna get dropped in backwards out of like an open
Speaker 1: plane door into the back end of the a f C.
Speaker 1: You know, playoff situation. But do you trust them shook
Speaker 1: to do anything more than to go in and lose
Speaker 1: a playoff game. No, they they they're last year's Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 1: except they have a better defense, because I don't expect
Speaker 1: them to get out of the wild card round if
Speaker 1: they do make it. But they do, and I'm not
Speaker 1: and I'm not ticketing them. I've been saying they're my
Speaker 1: pick for the six C two, but I mean they're
Speaker 1: five and five there are bad enough to lose any
Speaker 1: game too. The thing that they have is a nice
Speaker 1: looking schedule overall, where you can see them getting to
Speaker 1: nine wins and I kind of think that will be enough.
Speaker 1: Defense travels and if if they go on the road
Speaker 1: in a playoff game, if they who would they face,
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs or something. Is it that crazy if
Speaker 1: they could win it? I'm not, And it doesn't get
Speaker 1: me pumped up, Like I'm not like jumping up and
Speaker 1: down with excitement at the idea of the Ravens and Jags,
Speaker 1: for instance, uh, going into the playoffs as wild card teams.
Speaker 1: But I could get behind that game kind of fun enough,
Speaker 1: all right, Maybe it would be in kind of like
Speaker 1: defensive struggle type way, but just to see who could
Speaker 1: set the turn of a record at quarterback. So maybe
Speaker 1: there is something to that. Anything else from this game
Speaker 1: shook that jumped out to you, Wait a second, I
Speaker 1: locked it up. I's going on with your tank? I was,
Speaker 1: I'm struggling. But the Jets there are Yeah, the Jets
Speaker 1: right now there are stronger forces than me. And it
Speaker 1: was the football gods punishing the NFL and NBC for
Speaker 1: putting Brett Huntley, and in prime time they said, you
Speaker 1: know what, you put Brenton Huntley in hindim We're gonna
Speaker 1: have him scored zero points the week before while Ram
Speaker 1: Saints is stuck at checks out. That checks out by
Speaker 1: two quick points. I love Alex Collins. If I had
Speaker 1: to pick a running back from a team that's not
Speaker 1: the one I follow closest, who I really wanted to wish,
Speaker 1: who I wish it would be on my team be
Speaker 1: Alex Collins. I love the way he runs. He runs hard,
Speaker 1: good day today. The two point five yards per that's
Speaker 1: the thing. But when he does run the ball, I
Speaker 1: just like the way he looked necessarily that he's putting
Speaker 1: up numbers wise, And Mike Wallace had a big play
Speaker 1: one hand catch for a touchdown that wasn't that was
Speaker 1: I think the catch of the day. Potentially it was
Speaker 1: a beautifu good thing in playing in the eighties, he
Speaker 1: never would have been him now that was different. What
Speaker 1: I was saying was a pure show of athleticism, like
Speaker 1: a poor Lawrence Taylor, who was who was he to
Speaker 1: be an athlete in the eighties. This has the ring
Speaker 1: of a back in my day. We walked uphill both
Speaker 1: ways to Greg. In the eighties, everyone was just like
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes. And you know, basically, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: exactly I don't know him saying that the athleticism like
Speaker 1: the NBA in the fifties where George Mike was just
Speaker 1: or the NBA in the eighties. I mean, here we
Speaker 1: come on the next topic. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people would agree with me. Just not to just catch
Speaker 1: you up. Greg said there was not really any athletic places.
Speaker 1: That is not true. What everybody made good catch What
Speaker 1: I said was, and of course I was exaggerate. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean it's like definitely the best play ever. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like the one handed catch from
Speaker 1: Shephard last week, or the catch from Roger Lewis last week,
Speaker 1: like those would have maybe been the best most athletic
Speaker 1: catches tired decades, so why are we back into this?
Speaker 1: But you know, that's how good it was. Greg greg
Speaker 1: never saw the montage that they play at the beginning
Speaker 1: or end of each NFL game in the eighties where
Speaker 1: they play I'm just saying, we take these insane catches
Speaker 1: weekly for granted. Now it's just like a first then,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it was like a caveman times. All right, Now,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the next game. Let's we got
Speaker 1: cess and shook together. That's good because we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the Browns. Kaiser dropped the throat. He is gonna
Speaker 1: be hit again. That falls out again and got quite
Speaker 1: hitting that time. Dante Fowler tries to fall on it.
Speaker 1: Football is in the end zone. Jacksonville has fallen on
Speaker 1: it for a touchdown. They're not gonna take that one away.
Speaker 1: Telvin Smith in the end zone from the score and
Speaker 1: that'll finish it all. Frank Frangie w j x L
Speaker 1: with the call uh Blake Bortles through a touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: Telvin Smith recovered that fumble for a touchdown with just
Speaker 1: over a minute to play, and the Jaguars beat the Browns,
Speaker 1: help keeping the Browns winless. In nineteen seven victory UM.
Speaker 1: The win, combined with the Titans loss on Thursday, puts
Speaker 1: the Jaguars in sole possession of first place in the
Speaker 1: a f C South. Uh Mark Cecil will start with
Speaker 1: you here, Uh do you expect that Jaguars to stay there? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do. I think they have much more identity than
Speaker 1: any other team in that division right now. And today's game,
Speaker 1: which was a sneaky good defensive performance by the Browns,
Speaker 1: and they've done that before this season. This is how
Speaker 1: you could look at the Jaguars team and say they
Speaker 1: can win a playoff game because Blake Bortles totally shut
Speaker 1: down for large portions of this game. Leonard for not
Speaker 1: for net got going later on, but essentially Jacksonville did
Speaker 1: very little on offense but their defense Jalen Ramsey, a
Speaker 1: J boy A, the rest of this crew, Telvin Smith
Speaker 1: making plays all over the place. They can do this
Speaker 1: to one of the big boys. I really do believe that.
Speaker 1: In in the in the on the right Sunday they
Speaker 1: have and they could do it to Pittsburgh, and they
Speaker 1: could do it to New England potentially for parts of
Speaker 1: the game. I don't know how you hold down New
Speaker 1: England's offense. You're playing the Browns today, but they couldn't
Speaker 1: have played a more perfect game on defense. And it's
Speaker 1: not the first time they've done that. What's wild about
Speaker 1: you know, what we talked about earlier is can can
Speaker 1: Baltimore go into a wild card game and and win
Speaker 1: a playoff game? This is a Jacksonville team that I
Speaker 1: could see in a snowy setting, much like the last
Speaker 1: time they're in the playoffs with David Gerrard a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Instead rely on their defense in their ground game and
Speaker 1: have to rely on Blake Bortles to win a game
Speaker 1: because when they needed him to throw the ball today,
Speaker 1: it didn't work. Again, it hasn't really worked all year.
Speaker 1: But luckily, you know, the Browns made enough mistakes and
Speaker 1: they forced enough mistakes with their defense to then come
Speaker 1: away with the two score win. Again, that was way
Speaker 1: closer than it looked. You can look look at it
Speaker 1: two ways. One, they're winning games where Blake Bortles throws
Speaker 1: two picks in the final two minutes when they're trailing,
Speaker 1: like last week or this week, where they have the
Speaker 1: Browns under a hundred yards very late in the game,
Speaker 1: and it was still a game or you could look
Speaker 1: at it like that's a regular season thing that's not
Speaker 1: gonna work. Like yeah, like you need to put a
Speaker 1: team like the Browns away much earlier when you've absolutely
Speaker 1: shut them down. All I would say is that of
Speaker 1: all these outer a FC teams, I think that Jacksonville
Speaker 1: is the one that I'd be most excited to see
Speaker 1: in the paper. And they have they have. Their defense
Speaker 1: is so legitimate, it is so powerful that I think
Speaker 1: they can disrupt. They can disrupt in January. The they
Speaker 1: feel so boom or bust for me though, just because
Speaker 1: of the fact that they rely so much on their
Speaker 1: defense and don't the team overall they have, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they have to avoid falling behind or else they're done. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: five turnovers, I just I just can't shake that feeling.
Speaker 1: We can uh So the Browns had five turnovers and
Speaker 1: are now two and thirty five in their past. My
Speaker 1: question hard to do? How how did we get here?
Speaker 1: A massive tear down of a roster that already didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent. I remember that free agent
Speaker 1: class exiting first day of free agency, the Browns lose
Speaker 1: Mitchell Schwartz, uh Travis Benjamin into Shaun Gibson today. One
Speaker 1: of those three played against them into Shaun Gibson, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately they went from being a bad team to then
Speaker 1: going way below that and have struggled to come back
Speaker 1: up to a bad team to where they can then
Speaker 1: build forward. But to that point there comes the optimism
Speaker 1: and that's why we love having shook. While everybody in
Speaker 1: Cleveland's gonna call for jobs there they do every week.
Speaker 1: It's it's hashtag matt on line. But what is it
Speaker 1: mad online? As in, you are online and you're angry
Speaker 1: and you need to let it out somehow, So you're
Speaker 1: gonna call for somebody's job on Twitter because we see
Speaker 1: it every week with a lot of bad teams. Let
Speaker 1: this regime ride it into year three. Yeah, what's the point?
Speaker 1: There is no point you go nowhere. You gain nothing
Speaker 1: by firing those in charge right now? Really, really, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks are you gonna pass up? I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna look at the quarterback right now, and I'll point
Speaker 1: to the positives first and then I'll address that. What
Speaker 1: I mean, I would be fine if if you stayed
Speaker 1: the course with the right regime, but I know there's
Speaker 1: no sign that this is the right regime. Defensively, the
Speaker 1: picks that they've made outside of Myles Garrett have been
Speaker 1: pretty good for the most part. And we point to
Speaker 1: a game like today where they had Miles Garrett's looks great.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and that's just a layup. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: so anybody can make that pick. You keep your defensive regime.
Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do with Hugh Jackson who's
Speaker 1: bungled the quarterback situation all year? And it's Joe no
Speaker 1: signs of being able to fix this offense, which is
Speaker 1: a specialty. I think you need to get an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and then you kind of hope that maybe they'll
Speaker 1: move from there. Did they're still devoid of talent. This
Speaker 1: is a draft that comes coming up and they have
Speaker 1: to spend a lot. It's been an endless stream of
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks and D minus grade quarterbacks starting. And that
Speaker 1: leads to that channels back to Cleveland passing on Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and I'm gonna make less of a big deal
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson because nobody was talking about Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: as a number two or number one overall pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. And honestly, the Wentz thing to me is
Speaker 1: the guy that fit Cleveland. I don't think we would
Speaker 1: be getting Philadelphia's Carson Wentz if he were in Cleveland
Speaker 1: right now, but it would have been the right pick
Speaker 1: two and thirty five. It's just insane. By the way,
Speaker 1: a bunch of those games, there are some wacky stuff
Speaker 1: happening in these games too. Talent shouldn't be that different
Speaker 1: to lose that much. As there's like witchcraft happening at
Speaker 1: points in some of these rounds games, there really are.
Speaker 1: I don't think that this happens without some of that
Speaker 1: happening in two thousand seventeen NFL. But it also is
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes that they have to look at
Speaker 1: themselves and say, where the reason for give me a
Speaker 1: seven and thirty you know, give me an eight and
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Those teams to this my god shook um.
Speaker 1: Thank you for playing her today, and we will look
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Speaker 1: that that will fit your frame, but I will h
Speaker 1: work with Lindsay behind behind the scenes to see if
Speaker 1: we can get you an honorary around the NFL podcast
Speaker 1: pull over like the one Chris Weston's wearing right now.
Speaker 1: Some might ask quider. Are so many free rich eyes
Speaker 1: and T shirts floating around this entire building, and I
Speaker 1: don't see anyone wearing around the NFL podcast T shirt.
Speaker 1: I think we need to work on brand management there, sweatshirts,
Speaker 1: let's say push them. Why Why isn't this coming from
Speaker 1: the top. Damn just rain down the merch upon the
Speaker 1: people in this building. Just like in Buffalo, it's a
Speaker 1: major referendum on the entire brain trust. Where is our merch?
Speaker 1: It's a fair question. Let's move on. First half. Texans
Speaker 1: at the airs on a thirty four yard line top
Speaker 1: Savage hands off to deante form and running to the
Speaker 1: right side. Has I see for dead? Five rock and
Speaker 1: roll touchdown? I love an old dad say rock and roll?
Speaker 1: What does that have to do with anything? It's rock
Speaker 1: and roll dead, I don't. I mean the rock and
Speaker 1: roll he's referring to is definitely probably dead. But just
Speaker 1: the fact that he said rock and roll, what is
Speaker 1: that about? I don't even know. I'm almost tempted to
Speaker 1: nominate it, just because it kind of it's kind of
Speaker 1: wacky to me. I will block. You're gonna block the nomination,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Well, you know who said that. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you said it and you can take it up with him.
Speaker 1: Dave pash Katie a r with the call, rookie Deanta
Speaker 1: Foreman two fourth quarter touchdowns and the Texans and a
Speaker 1: three game losing streakin over the Arizona Cardinals. Greg, Uh,
Speaker 1: we don't spend too much time on this one. But
Speaker 1: Tom Savage was I don't know, like proficient today. Oh no,
Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta take the bat at football
Speaker 1: part off for tonight. You don't. He's an NFL. He's
Speaker 1: an NFL player who had absolutely terrible protection today. Uh
Speaker 1: why does the protection always looks so much worse for him? Well,
Speaker 1: it looks terrible for what Watson too. Watson could do
Speaker 1: something about it for once today. Savage could do something
Speaker 1: about it too. Made a beautiful throw on the run
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, made a couple of nice vertical plays,
Speaker 1: didn't make too many mistakes. Yeah, they scored thirty one points.
Speaker 1: If nothing, if nothing else, If Tom Savage doesn't ever
Speaker 1: win another NFL game, he'll always have this game. Bruce
Speaker 1: arians blamed himself. Why why did he blame himself at
Speaker 1: this long? Because he that, you know, because coaches do
Speaker 1: that it's sort of a coach speak, but he was.
Speaker 1: He's a nons so he was referring. He was referring
Speaker 1: specifically to going for it on fourth and short in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Uh, when it was a three point game,
Speaker 1: and you know, Adrian Peterson got stuffed, Like Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: got stuffed the entire game. And I don't put that
Speaker 1: on Bruce Arians. I think he was coaching aggressively to win,
Speaker 1: and his offensive line and his running back weren't up
Speaker 1: to the test. Today, Houston was better. Uh. Tough season
Speaker 1: for the Texans, but a bright spot as Jadavean Clowney,
Speaker 1: who continues to build his cab. He was dominant two sacks,
Speaker 1: five tackles, three for losses in three quarterback. He's the
Speaker 1: best run blocking defensive end in the league, or outside line, breck,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. There is no one
Speaker 1: better at breaking open or running game than him. He's incredible.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Dropped back to Roll Fitzpatrick looking through
Speaker 1: the ball toward the Angel cock ball touchdown, Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: Sean Jackson, nobody, audience, and the Dolphins make a horrible mistake.
Speaker 1: His number eleven is wide open. That Fitzpatfrick sawd and
Speaker 1: threw a strike for a four yard touched own. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Jean decker Hoff w x TB with the call. Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick through for two seventy five yards two touchdowns. Pat
Speaker 1: Murray thirty five yard field goal of four seconds to play.
Speaker 1: Somehow I didn't see this, uh, just being completely honest
Speaker 1: with the audience. Somehow they scored another touchdown. Greg, you
Speaker 1: said it was a tie game, Well, it was like
Speaker 1: four seconds ten points in four seconds, right, because time
Speaker 1: was pretty cool off the clock and the Dolphins attempted
Speaker 1: it was a kick return, I believe, and they did
Speaker 1: a lateral that was fumbled trying to get anything seconds.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like an Let's engineer to drive that, you know,
Speaker 1: Ate up the clock becomes thirty just in five seconds
Speaker 1: of game time anyway, Mark um Uh. Though history will
Speaker 1: remember Nate Peterman as the I n T King of
Speaker 1: Week eleven. J Cutler certainly gave it his best, well,
Speaker 1: I mean yes, until he was concussed and left the
Speaker 1: game midway through, bringing Matt Moore back into our lives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but before the concussion came three grizzly interceptions. Am I mistaken. No,
Speaker 1: you are correct, it was. It was The Dolphins are
Speaker 1: put in a terrible position by Cutler's turnovers, and I
Speaker 1: believe also Jarvis Landry had a fumble and you do
Speaker 1: to do that against the Bucks there, you know, the
Speaker 1: Bucks are very vulnerable. But Ryan Fitzpatrick to me seemed,
Speaker 1: uh seems to be the better quarterback right now over
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston. I'm I'm trying to recover from a very
Speaker 1: strange bell. Listen, what was that? I don't know. That
Speaker 1: was actually my wedding ring, which I fiddle around with.
Speaker 1: You know, it's on the floor and fell and hit something.
Speaker 1: You sabotaze Mark, and he's not gonna do it with
Speaker 1: his voice, so do it with his fad with his wedding.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can't survive, if you take it
Speaker 1: from here, Greg, if you can't fight through that, you know,
Speaker 1: come on. I did my best. It was a very
Speaker 1: business sound, was it not. I mean all everyone's suddenly
Speaker 1: everyone's talking, everyone's looking around, and it's like, keep mining
Speaker 1: on with your Bucks, Dolphins. Point I done it? Hit
Speaker 1: this come through on the audiolieve it? Um? Great? H
Speaker 1: that was a good rundown, Mark, anything else from the game.
Speaker 1: These are two teams that we've forked. I'm one of
Speaker 1: those weird people who hated the word literally, especially the
Speaker 1: misuse of it. I saw a tweet that day was
Speaker 1: literally incredible. I possibly believe it. Armando saw Garrow with
Speaker 1: Miami Harold said it was it was probably the dolphins
Speaker 1: worst half of football the first half of this season,
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins have had most of the worst halfs
Speaker 1: of football I've seen this year. Um surprising from a
Speaker 1: turnover ankle. He might be right, but they but I've
Speaker 1: seen worse from them, including the Ravens game. They put
Speaker 1: up four hundred and fifty yards, including a ton in
Speaker 1: the first quarter. So I've seen some uglier Dolphins. I
Speaker 1: want to just throw this out there because yes, um,
Speaker 1: Mr Cutler suffered a concussion and we we hope it
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any long summer efects for him. But
Speaker 1: three more interceptions and the the Dolphins are out of it.
Speaker 1: Uh in the a f C and another lost season.
Speaker 1: And I'm the one game I'm not saying in these teams,
Speaker 1: I'm saying they're not out of it. They're out of it.
Speaker 1: The terrible I would contract the entire conferences, Dolphins are forked.
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler was terrible again and now he's hurt. And
Speaker 1: I just want to put it on everybody's radar because
Speaker 1: I think we've all, despite our issues with him as
Speaker 1: a player, on balance, have kind of enjoyed Jay Cutler
Speaker 1: the experience, even if it's Jay Cutler the punching bag
Speaker 1: um I saw. I asked Lindsay to help me put
Speaker 1: together a final retrospective of what could have been J
Speaker 1: Cutler's final game could have been this third out at
Speaker 1: seven from the NYE. He's got time and this pass
Speaker 1: is going to be intercepted by Chucklin Evans receivers Cutlers
Speaker 1: at sevening it has picked off by Claude Alexander Manson
Speaker 1: Parker and Robert McLean has the interception marked disgusted by
Speaker 1: this bill No, I mean I the assumption going in
Speaker 1: was that we have all enjoyed this final J Cutler
Speaker 1: go around. I found it in particularly painful this season,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if he regrets making this decision when
Speaker 1: he could have been up in the announcer's booth trying
Speaker 1: to go punch or punch with Roma. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: This will be a forty six yard or trying to
Speaker 1: tie this game. Here we go, there's the snap spot
Speaker 1: kick away, it is up and it is no good.
Speaker 1: He missed it. He pushed it to the right and
Speaker 1: the Lions survive and we're walking out of here with
Speaker 1: their third straight victory. Dan Miller w j R. With
Speaker 1: the call. Connor Broughts forty six yard field goal attempt
Speaker 1: started wide wide, wide right and stayed that way, allowing
Speaker 1: the lines to escape Soldier Field with four win over
Speaker 1: the Bears. Um Matt Stafford through two touchdowns uh and
Speaker 1: three hundred yards, Matt Prator drilled a fifty two yard
Speaker 1: field goal like guy's a good kicker, Um with one
Speaker 1: thirty five to play, and once again, despite there being
Speaker 1: a little touch and go there for the Lions against
Speaker 1: a bad team, they get the job done. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what what. I'll tell you what. We
Speaker 1: don't love the Lions around here as a team to
Speaker 1: take seriously in the NFC, but I'll give them a
Speaker 1: little credit. They are for the first time, uh ever
Speaker 1: since the divisions of realigned, they won their every division
Speaker 1: road game. A little bit of toughness there. We say
Speaker 1: they're not a tough team it's a nice job by them,
Speaker 1: and and they are, you know, in the mix, taking
Speaker 1: care of these games that they should win even if
Speaker 1: they're not dominant efforts. We're gonna start handing a lollipops.
Speaker 1: Now that was a bit from a few years ago.
Speaker 1: I remember that the lollipop time. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what you are saying. Yeah, then the Lions fans
Speaker 1: are on my nerves because of mediocrity and how much
Speaker 1: they demand respect for it. And this team is a
Speaker 1: mediocre team that's gonna ball just shot of the playoffs. Well,
Speaker 1: they have the Vikings defense on Thanksgiving and the reward
Speaker 1: for that is to play the Ravens defense the week after,
Speaker 1: So we'll find out where they were after them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know, they beat the Vikings in in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: At the time, you thought, well the case Keenan was
Speaker 1: the starter, No big whoop. But that's proved to be
Speaker 1: a very defficult game. They're not out of they're not
Speaker 1: out of the NFC North if they won that game.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily expect them to win that game. But
Speaker 1: certainly crazier things happen every week in the NFL than
Speaker 1: them beating the Vikings at home. All right, I amend
Speaker 1: my statement looking at the standings. Now there's a chance
Speaker 1: to slide into a wild card spot and then lose
Speaker 1: the first game like they normally. Uh. And although I
Speaker 1: will say together the lines credit that year, that last
Speaker 1: year they had in Dominan Sue and they had Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1: They got jobbed in that game. They were ter than
Speaker 1: the couch should have won that game, and they got
Speaker 1: job That was the best Lions team of my life.
Speaker 1: Not there There haven't been a lot of great candidates,
Speaker 1: but that was it that that it was a top
Speaker 1: six or seven team in the NFL. The Bears are
Speaker 1: now three and seven oh and four in their Division
Speaker 1: one and seven against NFC teams. The John Fox farewell
Speaker 1: Tour is very similar to the Jeff Fisher farewell Tour tour.
Speaker 1: Is a a well known coach. It just seems like
Speaker 1: now the writings on the wall, it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of time. Uh. The Lions, meanwhile, keep themselves in the mix.
Speaker 1: Let's move forward. You know the thing about him, because
Speaker 1: he's like a great heavyweight fighter. Great heavyweight fighters the
Speaker 1: ones I know at least could take a punch. Joe
Speaker 1: Fraser could take a punch. Rocky pop Ball could take
Speaker 1: a punch. It's Chris Spielman, by the way, speaking of
Speaker 1: who I like that he talks through his audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's mixed in fictional character real boxers. You know there
Speaker 1: are plenty of heavyweight fighters through the decades that you
Speaker 1: could sig eight is being able to take a punch.
Speaker 1: Rocky Belboa was not a real person. Goes to faith
Speaker 1: Boxer with second reference. Uh, let's move on, he's got
Speaker 1: it line for Bengals touchdown twenty nine yards Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: to Alex Ericson for his first touchdown catch in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Alex x Ericson yes one of three touchdown passes from
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and the Bengals winning game over the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati built a double digit lead uh in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: then their defense was able to close it out of
Speaker 1: the end. Get to stop against brock Oswiler, and that
Speaker 1: gave West. I know, even though you divorced the Bengals,
Speaker 1: you are historically knowledgeable of the team. This is their
Speaker 1: first win in Denver since throughout a year probably in Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's see, it's gotta be like the seventies or eighties,
Speaker 1: back when the NFL was a shadow of what it
Speaker 1: is now. I'll go eighty eight four. N Greg, you
Speaker 1: want to get at nineteen. WHOA, that's a long time anyway, Wes.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something in the dreary a f
Speaker 1: C the west of his stream isn't dead. It's not dead,
Speaker 1: and you can't say it is. That's true. It's not dead.
Speaker 1: But this team is fatally flawed by their offensive line
Speaker 1: and ground attack, and they managed just twelve first downds
Speaker 1: all game. They won this game because uh, Drake Kirkpatrick
Speaker 1: had a one hundred one yard interception return that led
Speaker 1: to a one yard touchdown and Vantes Burfick forced to
Speaker 1: fumble in the fourth quarter on C. J. Anderson when
Speaker 1: the Broncos were driving to tie the game. Uh. Those
Speaker 1: two turnovers were the difference in the game, and Asweller got,
Speaker 1: I thought he might build on last week's game, in
Speaker 1: which he played much better than the final score would suggest.
Speaker 1: He made some throws last week. I thought it was
Speaker 1: probably the best game I've seen Oswaer playing at least
Speaker 1: two years. And today he got a chance for a
Speaker 1: two minute drill, took a bad sack on second down,
Speaker 1: then couldn't find Emmanuel Sanders on fourth down. He had
Speaker 1: a chance. And the weirdest part of this game to
Speaker 1: me was the halftime. Jamie heard all that the sideline
Speaker 1: reporters said that even though Ostwaller was playing with a
Speaker 1: sore shoulder and wasn't playing well, Paxton the Vance Joseph
Speaker 1: told her Paxton Lynch was not an option in the
Speaker 1: second half. He just wasn't and he wasn't gonna We
Speaker 1: weren't gonna see him in the second half. Vance Joseph
Speaker 1: should send a thank you card to Sean McDermott for
Speaker 1: taking the heat off his uh sketchy quarterback decisions the
Speaker 1: last few Why why was brock Oswader starting this game necessarily?
Speaker 1: Why aren't you making a change like this? This AFC
Speaker 1: is still open in theory I don't even know, like
Speaker 1: a game where the opponent has a D nine cards
Speaker 1: and you lose at home. Well, okay, so Vance Joseph
Speaker 1: is not handled it well, but he inherited this quarterback room.
Speaker 1: When at some point does anyone point to John Elway
Speaker 1: and say, whether it comes to scouting Paxton Lynch, who's
Speaker 1: he has been absolutely a nonentity so far, and it
Speaker 1: looked bad in the preseason, totally outplayed by Trevor Simeon,
Speaker 1: who has now been benched for Brock Osweiler. When does
Speaker 1: it fall in always feet for post maiden Manning not
Speaker 1: finding a quarterback for this team to that point, Trevor
Speaker 1: Simeon inactive as we're three rookie draft picks today, D'Angelo Henderson,
Speaker 1: de Marcus Walker and Isaiah Mackenzie. So if you're looking
Speaker 1: for why is this season gone south? And it has
Speaker 1: gone south by the way six straight losses. That's their
Speaker 1: longest losing streak in twenty seven years. They're not getting
Speaker 1: h impact play from some of these guys that have
Speaker 1: come into the organization, and the quarterback room is a mess.
Speaker 1: Well they there's some report out there about, you know,
Speaker 1: concerns with the play calling, and I feel like those
Speaker 1: reports usually come from from high up in the Broncos organization.
Speaker 1: I think always fatal flaw has been the offensive line
Speaker 1: because they just can't run. They're not they don't have
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, but this line doesn't give any quarterback
Speaker 1: a chance. Does. The offensive line has been more problem
Speaker 1: It's been even more problematic than the quarterbacks, right, Simeon
Speaker 1: could have well, who knows. I mean, I'll die on,
Speaker 1: but I would say hanging with what you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: had brought him back these last two weeks or this
Speaker 1: week at least, it's like, I think you could have
Speaker 1: won this game. At least it's not like something else
Speaker 1: is going on. Why is Brock Oslar still playing games
Speaker 1: when Simeon is recently as a month ago? I mean
Speaker 1: Oswayler was a second round pick by by John Elway.
Speaker 1: So he I think he believes in Brock Austen. Oh,
Speaker 1: come on, he can't. He offered him sixteen million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. He brought it back to the organization. Well
Speaker 1: to him, though it's the same guy and it's a
Speaker 1: young player. It makes me wonder how much anyone believes
Speaker 1: in Paxton Lynch. That's fair. Let's move up. I want
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Speaker 1: this one Uh. The Eagles now nine and one, running
Speaker 1: away with the NFC East, and now they put the
Speaker 1: Cowboys on life support. Wow, what a performance. Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: after halftime played an absolutely perfect thirty minutes of football.
Speaker 1: I think you could say that about the entire Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles team. I mean right, they went into halftime down
Speaker 1: nine seven, They outscored thirty to nothing after halftime in
Speaker 1: the first half. At one point, the Cowboys defense had
Speaker 1: slowed down the Eagles better than any team had all year.
Speaker 1: They had five drives at one point that had total
Speaker 1: thirteen yards. They were stopped on seven straight possessions. And
Speaker 1: then it was like they just flipped the switch and
Speaker 1: the Eagles team we've seen all year came out. And
Speaker 1: when they are rolling and it's the running game as
Speaker 1: a big foundation and a GI you got off and
Speaker 1: La Garrett Blunt got off and Clement got off. They
Speaker 1: are a joy to watch. They're kind of like the
Speaker 1: most unstoppable looking team in the NFL when they get
Speaker 1: going like that. Yeah, and it's like you look at
Speaker 1: the box SCORESMA all morning. If you didn't watch this
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight yards passing for Carson Wentz, you think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they slowed him down the opposite He was a magician.
Speaker 1: And at one point in early and you know, it
Speaker 1: was nine to seven at halftime, and really in the
Speaker 1: third we were asking where's this Eagle's rushing attack, where's Jaji?
Speaker 1: And then he rips off a seventy one yard run
Speaker 1: that I think really started the landslide on the flip side.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott again running for his life. They got a
Speaker 1: little bit more from the running game. But this Eagles defense,
Speaker 1: which is overshadowed by Carson Wentz every week in the offense,
Speaker 1: has half the story here, you know, and all credit
Speaker 1: due to the Eagles defense. They've they've been showing up
Speaker 1: all season and that's how you get to nine and one.
Speaker 1: It's just not one side of the ball, but Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys needed their quarterback to step up and play
Speaker 1: a good game, and Alfred Morris ran the ball. Well
Speaker 1: he's not Zike Elliott, of course, who's now in the
Speaker 1: second game of suspension and the Cowboys are winless during
Speaker 1: that absence. Alfred Morris won sevent for ninety one and
Speaker 1: was able to move the ball. Dak Prescott did nothing
Speaker 1: in this game. He had one of his the worst
Speaker 1: games of his career and a big game. I got
Speaker 1: really tired of the Wentz Dak back and forth this week.
Speaker 1: You know, I think they're both gray. I think it's
Speaker 1: hard to pick between the two of them right now.
Speaker 1: Wentz clearly has a deeper and better team around him.
Speaker 1: But this was a perfect performance by Wentz in the
Speaker 1: second half. I mean, he was just incredible. And Doc
Speaker 1: had one of his worst games of the year. And
Speaker 1: I think he's been struggling a little bit the last
Speaker 1: few weeks trying to hold up that offense and I
Speaker 1: and I mentioned it on Thursday, but I want to
Speaker 1: hit it again. Des and Cole Beasley were the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of their passing game. They don't have a passing game,
Speaker 1: whether it's all it's certainly not all Doc. It's the protection,
Speaker 1: it's the receivers, it's everything. But they don't really have
Speaker 1: a passing game that can hold them up. And so
Speaker 1: tonight Des gets fourteen targets for sixty three yards and
Speaker 1: Beasley gets four targets for seven yards. And those were
Speaker 1: their two main guys last year, and they're two of
Speaker 1: the least efficient receivers when you're throwing it to them
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, and it's back to back turnovers in
Speaker 1: the second half, one a fumble touchdown for Dallas I
Speaker 1: think completely turned this game from potentially they had a
Speaker 1: chance to come back in the fourth quarter, two completely
Speaker 1: out of reach. And people looked at that Eagles Broncos
Speaker 1: game and said, oh, it's an aberration for Ver's defense
Speaker 1: and that's not really what Denver's defense is about. And
Speaker 1: you know what, that's what the Eagles are. They do
Speaker 1: that to every team they play. This game had a
Speaker 1: lot of share DNA in the second half with that
Speaker 1: romp over Denver because suddenly they just let the run
Speaker 1: game completely overpower the tire defense they're facing. This is
Speaker 1: how they are built to go deep, if not the
Speaker 1: deepest team in the NFC, right to the superman. I
Speaker 1: think you love that you don't have to play j J.
Speaker 1: I is not even their main running back. He's just
Speaker 1: one of three guys. That's a nice little luxury they got.
Speaker 1: And now the Cowboys turned around and they have a
Speaker 1: game in four days against the Chargers at home, their
Speaker 1: season on the line, and it's already in grave danger
Speaker 1: at five and five, and you put them, uh if
Speaker 1: if you say a coin flip to make the playoffs
Speaker 1: that might even be at this point. Being kind to
Speaker 1: they've gotten Yeah, they've got a lot of spot now
Speaker 1: and in fact, there if you look at the seating
Speaker 1: right now, they're the tenth seed. They have a ton
Speaker 1: of work. Their schedule does ease up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you don't have Zeke Elliott. You hoping to get
Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith Beeck. We'll talk about that game on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: won't Oh yes, let's talk about a different week um
Speaker 1: for the Around the NFL podcast. So yeah, we'll have
Speaker 1: our standard show Tuesday in terms of the timing of it,
Speaker 1: but that will act as our week twelve preview. So
Speaker 1: we'll go through all the week twelve games and then
Speaker 1: on Thursday night for the first time. What makes us different, Mark,
Speaker 1: I guess we're grinders. Everybody else's passed out on the couch.
Speaker 1: We will be in the studio Thursday night, uh mini
Speaker 1: pod going over all three Thanksgiving games, including the Thursday
Speaker 1: night affair between Mark the Giants and the Redskins. Nice. Nice,
Speaker 1: I thought i'd get you on that one. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do a Thursday Night Thanksgiving mini pod going over
Speaker 1: those games and then of course the Sunday flagship show.
Speaker 1: Uh so that's our schedule. That's a major league grit,
Speaker 1: right there, some hustle, some grit. We certainly know that
Speaker 1: our wives and children they appreciate the dynamic. Yeah, children
Speaker 1: will be asleep where they come, they'll be fine. All right,
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's that's as Sundays show. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot. That's right. Chris Wesley cannot pick up his
Speaker 1: lock mark you this time. I am now three and
Speaker 1: two in lockoffs, and uh, you know, losing to West
Speaker 1: as a noble loss. I have no issues there. I
Speaker 1: I went out under limb here you see the subtext
Speaker 1: d and losing to us would not be a noble
Speaker 1: loss like West he respects. But yeah, I've picked that up.
Speaker 1: That's not where I was going. I don't respect myself
Speaker 1: on picking the Cowboys in the sif that was a
Speaker 1: surprise pick um, it was an onion hanger. Did not
Speaker 1: work out in your favor. Greg picks up a game
Speaker 1: and and we are flying in the race for second
Speaker 1: place the season. Yes, so we'll be back Tuesday, flying
Speaker 1: into the side of a building. Thank you to everybody
Speaker 1: that for listening. Uh, you're the best. Let's get out
Speaker 1: of here this Dan hands a signing off four quiet
Speaker 1: storm the mailman, and I've at you all. Shut up,
Speaker 1: neck shuck. He's strong, the old boss, and lendsy baltd
Speaker 1: is behind the glass till Thursday