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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: Podcast presented by Headed Shoulders. My name is Dan Hansens
Speaker 1: and I am joined by room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf and Gregg Roseatal. What's up people? Hey? Hey, hey, hey, hey? Nice?
Speaker 1: What's up? Oh yeah? Very special edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast? Why Greg? For the overseas listeners, let
Speaker 1: them know why this week is a little bit different. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a holiday here in the United States called Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: and to celebrate that, I've surprised you guys by cooking
Speaker 1: an entire turkey that we're gonna eat during the show.
Speaker 1: You should have. Wow, that's so nice to you. Greg.
Speaker 1: Just just play along the audio. Whoa starving? So yeah?
Speaker 1: I would love to eat a full hour of sounds
Speaker 1: of people eating and nightmat that Mark's name listener is
Speaker 1: not happy right now. Yes, Thanksgivings on Thursday, So we
Speaker 1: have a lot of things to get to today. The
Speaker 1: Tuesday show is gonna be our big preview episode for
Speaker 1: the upcoming week. Um, and then you're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: us again Thursday night. Thanksgiving night here in the States,
Speaker 1: and we're going to recapy to the Thanksgiving games, UM,
Speaker 1: and then do our standards Sunday Show, Today's show. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a good one. It's a saucy one. We first
Speaker 1: will finish up week eleven. And what do we do
Speaker 1: to finish up week eleven? We're gonna break down the
Speaker 1: great sacrifice? Now, okay, well, well, usually a primetime game
Speaker 1: is a ritual sacrifice this season, but not this week.
Speaker 1: A fun game, high scoring affair between the Falcons and
Speaker 1: Seahawks at the clink. Uh. And we'll talk about that game.
Speaker 1: Then we will get into the previews, starting with the
Speaker 1: three UM Thanksgiving games, uh, and then going through all
Speaker 1: the rest of the week twelve games Week twelve, Mark,
Speaker 1: and guess what Thanksgiving? And once you get to Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: you're going down hill. Yeah, I mean teams started life wise,
Speaker 1: us personally, or or the league. The season it's okay,
Speaker 1: you know, look at the season like you're on a
Speaker 1: bike and you're going straight, straight, straight, straight, and flat
Speaker 1: ground and then all of a sudden, right around week eight,
Speaker 1: you're going up a hill. Basic and you got eight, nine, ten, eleven.
Speaker 1: Don't enough gear, not enough gears? Either once you get
Speaker 1: to Thanksgiving straight down and then before you know it,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler's on the Beach were months from that occurring play.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift Marks on the Beach and it's Camcoon and
Speaker 1: he's somehow once again negotiated a solo vacation from his wife,
Speaker 1: kids and Pinot Cleod. He's got a solo Thanksgiving this
Speaker 1: week first. But then well, that's that's not your choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the unfortunate. You know, the working man way
Speaker 1: you must, you must toil on in your offices and
Speaker 1: in your home offices. But just think now, they're going
Speaker 1: downhill right, Yeah, you've found a way to pack in
Speaker 1: a negative narrative about my family life in there, which
Speaker 1: I don't agree with on any level. But Downhill used
Speaker 1: to make it sound negative. I think we're coasting. The
Speaker 1: season to me has gone faster than any NFL season
Speaker 1: I've ever agree. Well, it's all subjective. It's the longest season,
Speaker 1: all right, Well it's not been fun necessarily for depending
Speaker 1: what teaming root for been. Um, that was not a
Speaker 1: negative family narrative. It's a reality. You have been able
Speaker 1: to work this into your life, and we are all
Speaker 1: in awe every year that you do it. It's pretty
Speaker 1: I I think that when you're married, like you need
Speaker 1: a little bit of alone time, Like I mean, you
Speaker 1: know Greg's wife leaves with children out of the country
Speaker 1: for in a full month a year, correct, yeah, two
Speaker 1: and a half weeks. You're right, they're gonna go for
Speaker 1: New Year's this year. And since I and Hank spends around,
Speaker 1: like you know, he's got roughly three of these type
Speaker 1: of scenarios built into his college and Gonzo cruised through
Speaker 1: a long distance relationship, it didn't seem like either some
Speaker 1: was like itching to be in the same thing. There
Speaker 1: are no rush like to get back together. I don't
Speaker 1: think codependency is a super positive trait in relationship, and
Speaker 1: it's not a super positive trait in my day to
Speaker 1: day relationship. Good explanation. All right, let's start the Let's
Speaker 1: start the work, because we do the work here. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we'll start by going over Monday night football. Fifty
Speaker 1: two yard before the time kicks up long enough and
Speaker 1: now it's short, it's short, just but it's the crossbar
Speaker 1: he misses. Yes, Blair Walsh missed a fifty two yard
Speaker 1: field goal attempt as time ran out. Uh, and the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons survived thirty four thirty one against the Seahawks
Speaker 1: in Seattle. A huge one for the Falcons to move
Speaker 1: to six and four, and I'm sure a huge when
Speaker 1: internally confidence wise, going on the road in prime time
Speaker 1: and holding up the Seahawks, who looked like Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: that they were primed to make another late heroic comeback
Speaker 1: and steal a game, but this time they couldn't finish.
Speaker 1: They've done so many of those this season, and they
Speaker 1: just couldn't get quite close enough for Walsh, who I
Speaker 1: don't think Pete Carroll would have ever wanted. Initially they didn't,
Speaker 1: they didn't send him out that they wanted to maybe
Speaker 1: try to run another play or something. Then they said,
Speaker 1: all right, we gotta go with Walsh. To me though,
Speaker 1: outside of the fact that the Falcons I think got
Speaker 1: their confidence back, the one that with Gruden spending all
Speaker 1: week with the Falcons coaching staff, he mentioned it over
Speaker 1: and over that Sarkasian has the confidence of this team.
Speaker 1: They feel that the offense was getting closer and closer
Speaker 1: to us. To the naked eye reading up until last night,
Speaker 1: we just were not seeing that for the most part
Speaker 1: in terms of points. But this to me that along
Speaker 1: with that happening, this was the script when the Seahawks
Speaker 1: get bumped from the playoffs. If they make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: it's going to be this kind of game. How much, though,
Speaker 1: do you think it had to do with the fact
Speaker 1: that they didn't have Cam Chancellor out there or Richards
Speaker 1: a lot and they have these guys out there, I
Speaker 1: mean Byron Maxwell who they just signed off the street
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Lane, who they basically traded and thankfully he
Speaker 1: failed a physical. Well, they're they lost Shack Griffin too
Speaker 1: right away, starting cornerback. I don't expect the Seahawks to
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs at this point. They were my,
Speaker 1: you know, preseason Super Bowl pick, but with the injuries
Speaker 1: that they've had in the schedule that they have, in
Speaker 1: the depth of the NFC and teams like the Falcons,
Speaker 1: who I do think are starting to play their best
Speaker 1: balls still concerned about their defense. But Matt Ryan's been
Speaker 1: one of the three or four best quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: league the last month. And if you don't believe that,
Speaker 1: you just watch that game. It's not gonna be as
Speaker 1: as fancy as some other quarterbacks. But he's been so solid,
Speaker 1: really making good decisions. He was accurate all night. He
Speaker 1: deserved to win that game, and and that's huge. This
Speaker 1: has been one of the best regular season games of
Speaker 1: the year two straight years. I like this matchup. He's
Speaker 1: I think he's playing a lot better now, Ryan, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna lift everybody up. And I think
Speaker 1: this loss is on Pete Carroll. I thought Carol had
Speaker 1: a bad game. What was that fake punt? Well, you
Speaker 1: have the fake field goal tempt at the end of
Speaker 1: the half yeld goal, which was very strange, just the
Speaker 1: timing of it all, the fact that it was kind
Speaker 1: of an all or nothing type play to ask your
Speaker 1: second tight end to rush twenty yards or thirty yards
Speaker 1: and with seven seconds left in the half and you
Speaker 1: do a jet sweep type pitch to Luke. Although Grady
Speaker 1: Jarrett deserves a lot of credit. I we watched that
Speaker 1: a lot of times just to get a look. If
Speaker 1: Grady Jarrett, who is the only player that's aware of
Speaker 1: what's going on in that play, doesn't beat his block
Speaker 1: and just destroy the play, I think he does score
Speaker 1: a touchdown there there's no one on that side of
Speaker 1: the field. They have two blockers for basically one guy
Speaker 1: and they would have a shot. So sometimes we we
Speaker 1: judge the result. It ended up blowing up in their face,
Speaker 1: of course, but I'm giving credit to the the other
Speaker 1: team for making a great play. Yeah, he did a
Speaker 1: great job being in the right spot. But I guess
Speaker 1: the point was you take the field goal. I think
Speaker 1: it was a thirty five yard field goal and rather
Speaker 1: than risk it to actually score a touchdown with the
Speaker 1: tight end Wilson like that just seemed overly risky. And
Speaker 1: then uh in the second half, and that's such a
Speaker 1: great home crowd obviously, but it seemed like the home
Speaker 1: crowd actually go did carol into what was a silly
Speaker 1: challenge of the Doug Baldwin reception where they're trying to
Speaker 1: keep a driver alive. Uh in the second half. And
Speaker 1: then they ended up, yes, not only losing by three
Speaker 1: points when they essentially gave away three points in the
Speaker 1: end of the second quarter, and then not having that
Speaker 1: time out that if they had, maybe they could have
Speaker 1: gotten closer for Blair Walsh, who was a fundamentally flawed
Speaker 1: kicker at this point. And my other my final point
Speaker 1: on this is if you if you signed Blair Walsh.
Speaker 1: Expect bad things to happen, because that's what this guy's
Speaker 1: career is about. Now. It's sad, but that's how the game.
Speaker 1: I'm the kicker guy, and I'm saying that there aren't
Speaker 1: thirty two kickers in this league. Number one, there are
Speaker 1: a couple of positives for Seattle. I think what they've
Speaker 1: done with Dion Jordan over the past couple of weeks
Speaker 1: is impressive. Eldon Richardson had a big game. Bobby Wagner,
Speaker 1: to me, is a Defensive Player of the Year type candidate.
Speaker 1: Every single week with the Seahawks. This guy's blowing teams up.
Speaker 1: They they botched it, though. Russell Wilson botched it too,
Speaker 1: and Pete Carroll botched the Russell Wilson had an unbelievable game.
Speaker 1: He's not He's one of the best three or four
Speaker 1: players in the league, and he was incredible all night.
Speaker 1: I think he would admit in his heart of hearts
Speaker 1: that they botched it. They had the ball at the
Speaker 1: forty nine yard line with forty six seconds left, and
Speaker 1: he takes two straight short passes over the middle that
Speaker 1: kills the clock and I and you just can't do that.
Speaker 1: You don't you would not see a lot of veteran
Speaker 1: quarterbacks make those throws. So they burned basically forty seconds
Speaker 1: there to get you know, fifteen more yards on three plays.
Speaker 1: Like you just can't make those throws. You need to
Speaker 1: be able to have more plays. And that was a
Speaker 1: huge mistake. And Carroll Blue two time outs. It wasn't
Speaker 1: even just one time. I blew two of them. I
Speaker 1: just say, what Wilson, you're what you're saying is fair,
Speaker 1: But they're not even in that game. If he isn't
Speaker 1: doing his rustle a Wilson thing, he's going off in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. He was incredible. I mean he was
Speaker 1: even better than Matt Ryan maybe in that game. They
Speaker 1: were both great. I mean he deserved it every week
Speaker 1: though there too relying on him. They're gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: neutralize him at some point, you can't. They're not. This
Speaker 1: is not a deep January type team. The last thing
Speaker 1: to keep in mind here, the Seahawks are six and four,
Speaker 1: which is not terrible obviously, but now they lose the
Speaker 1: tiebreaker with the Falcons, who are also six and four.
Speaker 1: They're the projected six seed right now, so they got
Speaker 1: to get a game ahead of the Falcons to beat
Speaker 1: them out, not to mention also the Panthers involved. So
Speaker 1: a big, big loss for Seattle and a huge one
Speaker 1: for Atlanta. Let's now move on and get into the
Speaker 1: previews of week twelve, starting with the Thanksgiving games. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving turkey is so good, by the way, Greg,
Speaker 1: thank you, Breg you've done it again two days making.
Speaker 1: Did you bought a new deep prior yet? How giving
Speaker 1: of you couldn't have? And and some people say it's
Speaker 1: dangerous using a deep friar to make a turkey, But
Speaker 1: you're just so talented in the kitchen that not even,
Speaker 1: like Russell Wilson said in his interview on the bus
Speaker 1: with Gruden, not even a glimpse of fear. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: just kind of like a bad boy, just living life
Speaker 1: on the edge. Uh. You do drink that concussion water
Speaker 1: and that's why you've never had any health issues. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the first game in Detroit. Always the
Speaker 1: first game I remember all through my youth watching games
Speaker 1: in Detroit. I remember nine when Third Eye Blind played
Speaker 1: at halftime. These are the Thanksgiving memories I had it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders, Tor Cleveland, a new one. Um. So now
Speaker 1: the Vikings. The Vikings come to town, and we all
Speaker 1: know the Vikings are playing excellent football at eight and
Speaker 1: two and the lines are six and four. They're hanging
Speaker 1: around there. And we'll start with you on this one,
Speaker 1: mark Um, do you believe in the Vikings? This is
Speaker 1: like a number two seed by type team because if
Speaker 1: this game, you know, they were our team of at
Speaker 1: L last year, which was mocked by the time we
Speaker 1: got to the end of the season. I viewed as prophecy,
Speaker 1: not a mistake. And I'll tell you something. Watching this
Speaker 1: case keen and performance against the Rams, I love it. It
Speaker 1: It was my favorite quarterback performance of the entire season.
Speaker 1: I did not I don't think I've seen a quarterback
Speaker 1: want to win the game more than case keenan one
Speaker 1: deep six the Rams. He put that kind of effort
Speaker 1: into it. He did a lot of things that I
Speaker 1: think case Keenum of old could not have done. Physically,
Speaker 1: He's seen the better the field better than he has
Speaker 1: in the past. I really like Howletavius Murray has stepped
Speaker 1: up for them in the ground game. He was like,
Speaker 1: he looks to me, he don't think he was healthy
Speaker 1: at all in the earlier part of the year. He
Speaker 1: seems healthy to me, he's running hard. They really chasms
Speaker 1: to run through there. The other think I was gonna
Speaker 1: say their offensive line played the game of the year,
Speaker 1: the way that they shut down that Rams defense. It's
Speaker 1: like this was their achilles heel last year, the old line,
Speaker 1: and they didn't go out and fix it with a
Speaker 1: million people. But they have fixed it and it looks great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Riley if he's gonna be playing a Thanksgiving game as
Speaker 1: a Viking for the first time, and like, I think
Speaker 1: he's played four games with the Lions there, but the
Speaker 1: Lions allowed two and twenty two rushing yards. They haven't
Speaker 1: done that in five years. Like the games back to
Speaker 1: back weeks that they exactly so, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: again it's gonna happen this week too. The Vikings were
Speaker 1: really shut down by Detroit the first time they played.
Speaker 1: I know that was early in the season. Uh. I
Speaker 1: thought Keena played very well despite the score. It was
Speaker 1: a fourteen seven win for the Lions in Minnesota. Like
Speaker 1: the Lions have the juice on a short week at home.
Speaker 1: They've been very good on Thanksgiving with Matthew Stafford that
Speaker 1: like it wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me if they win
Speaker 1: this game. But you mentioned the offense, I mean Rick Spielman,
Speaker 1: their GM. They're winning with guys other teams didn't want.
Speaker 1: No one wanted Latavious Murray, no one wanted Reef, no
Speaker 1: one wanted Mike Remers. They have two new tackles, they
Speaker 1: have a rookie center like. They've allowed one second five
Speaker 1: games and one more point in this game. The Detroit
Speaker 1: the Vikings. Everybody said they're in great position eating two,
Speaker 1: and they are. Detroit wins this game. Find a way.
Speaker 1: Not only are they just one game out, they then
Speaker 1: sweep the Vikings and have the tiebreaker. So that's something
Speaker 1: to track. Let's move on to the second game. The
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers, coming off a dismantling Oh my god,
Speaker 1: was it Grizzly of the the Bills now travel to
Speaker 1: Big D to face the Dallas Dallas Cowboys. Connie Fox
Speaker 1: will start with you here. Uh, the Cowboys in a
Speaker 1: must must win SEP situation? What about this? Let's let's
Speaker 1: not let's get the fok nominees. Let's let's bring the
Speaker 1: Danish out right here. The Turkey aside, move everything aside,
Speaker 1: get that stuffing out of the way. Oh, here comes
Speaker 1: some some yams. Anyway, let's let's nominate the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Um uh for the fork at five and five. Maybe premature,
Speaker 1: and maybe we want to get a look at the
Speaker 1: in this week. But College Colleen, your thoughts about forking
Speaker 1: them or the or the game, okay? Uh? I think
Speaker 1: we gotta wait one more week before we forked them.
Speaker 1: I think that Tyron Smith he said that he expects
Speaker 1: to play this week. I don't think he'll be one percent,
Speaker 1: which is bad news because of the pass rushing Duoyron
Speaker 1: Smith will be better. He's better than Byron Bell and
Speaker 1: Chaz Green or whoever they have out there. So I
Speaker 1: think that we have to wait and give them one week.
Speaker 1: I'm not for everybody cool. I'm very cool with that.
Speaker 1: I need another bad Cowboys performance to convince me yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to I want them to be
Speaker 1: in the mix. Although these are two teams, I am
Speaker 1: rooting for both of them, which is, you know, that's
Speaker 1: impossible one of these teams. This is kind of like
Speaker 1: a loser goes home game. It's a it's a sneaky
Speaker 1: I know, that's not the way that Fox necessarily wanted
Speaker 1: this game in terms of two teams right around five hundred.
Speaker 1: But as a football fan, I think they're very watchable teams,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot at Steak is a lot of
Speaker 1: desperation because I feel like the team that loses here,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to see them really making a run,
Speaker 1: and yet if they win, they both have enough talent
Speaker 1: to make that run. I just have a feeling kind
Speaker 1: of about this game. What's your feeling? Just it's kind
Speaker 1: of feeling, you know, I've been I've been thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and for some reason, every time I look at this matchup,
Speaker 1: I just think the Chargers are gonna win, and I'm
Speaker 1: locking it up. Guys. Whoa, Yeah, wait a second, first,
Speaker 1: never locked Wait a second. This is becoming an epidemic.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Smith back in the line, uh,
Speaker 1: Cowboys back against the wall. Dak Prescott coming off a
Speaker 1: bad game, and he's too good a player to drop
Speaker 1: another egg, especially at home Thanksgiving of all days. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look up the that's a lock off? Another off? Whoa?
Speaker 1: You cannot hide your excitement over. I was confused. I
Speaker 1: was confused because I didn't under stand what was going
Speaker 1: on with the lockoff. I thought you were on the
Speaker 1: same side for a little whilst. I love it now
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this so I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: be involved with I'm so glad you are too. That's great.
Speaker 1: The other thoughts on this game, I thought Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: last week he got the Keenan Allen that we needed
Speaker 1: for a long time with his team and the defense.
Speaker 1: You listen, you Nate Peterman made things much more escalated
Speaker 1: than they needed to be. But the defense is not
Speaker 1: just Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram like. They're able to
Speaker 1: generate turnovers, and the Cowboys eight points a game without
Speaker 1: Smith in the lineup. They gotta do better with him
Speaker 1: back in. All right, let's move on to the final
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving game. This is the prime time affair on the
Speaker 1: five year anniversary of the butt fumble. I don't like
Speaker 1: to talk about it, but I'm a professional, so I
Speaker 1: bring it up in historical context. Personal feelings shoved aside
Speaker 1: as roll on being a memory of the butt FuMO
Speaker 1: kind of over shadows at this point. The twenty four
Speaker 1: points and I think like four minutes that the Patriots
Speaker 1: scored in that game. That was the was amazing game.
Speaker 1: It was like suddenly, that's happened like twelve times since.
Speaker 1: But fumble not. Uh yeah. So here is another New
Speaker 1: York team, though, playing in primetime on Thanksgiving, the New
Speaker 1: York Giants who are traveling to Washington to face the Redskins.
Speaker 1: And the Redskins, of course, had their hearts ripped out
Speaker 1: in the Superdome last Sunday. And Greg, we'll start here.
Speaker 1: The Giants got that win against Casey, well, they they're
Speaker 1: messing up their draft standing and what a nice job there.
Speaker 1: But the Redskins, how about that at four and six
Speaker 1: after that crushing loss, are we gonna put a fork
Speaker 1: in them? I'm ready to fork them. Bring the four
Speaker 1: committee back out. Get this turkey off the tip. I
Speaker 1: got the Danish in the coe. I need to keep
Speaker 1: the sweet potatoes and the Locks keep them there. I
Speaker 1: think they're one of the best four and six, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe the best four and six team in the league
Speaker 1: if they were in the a f C. I think
Speaker 1: maybe they get that six spot. They've got a lot
Speaker 1: of toughness, the schedule isn't too bad. We've done a
Speaker 1: poor job forking the Redskins, I believe twice before that.
Speaker 1: They've included when they were three and six, three and
Speaker 1: six in the RG three years, so crazier things have happened.
Speaker 1: But the injuries and tough way they love. I mean,
Speaker 1: losing Chris Thompson is tough. Tarrell Briars now and I
Speaker 1: are that's not a big deal for them. I think
Speaker 1: they win this game, but I'm still fine forking them.
Speaker 1: I'm fine too. I will say they've not given up
Speaker 1: on j Gruden at all. That's a good I think
Speaker 1: it's a good sign for him coming back next year.
Speaker 1: A lot of the Scott McLuhan players are that guy
Speaker 1: needs to be a GM again. I don't care what
Speaker 1: the Redskins did here. A lot of his players have
Speaker 1: proven to play well. It feels like even though they
Speaker 1: lose Thompson and you lose Prior every day like it's
Speaker 1: Ryan Grant new guys. Keep wrote one of the best
Speaker 1: games a Cousin's career. It was, but I think he's
Speaker 1: proved this year more than any other. To give him
Speaker 1: a little love. I think he's earned that long term contract.
Speaker 1: If you were on the fence before, now you've taken
Speaker 1: away his running game, You've taken away a lot of
Speaker 1: offensive lineman you've taken raised receivers and you know what,
Speaker 1: he's still standing there playing pretty well. He's kind of
Speaker 1: proven that he took he's above the Dalton is. He
Speaker 1: took some shots and got right back up. Other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: would not have. And you lose Chris Thompson, Oh we
Speaker 1: after you lose Rob Kelly and you don't have Jordan
Speaker 1: Read out there still. I know he didn't practice on Monday.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about as of Tuesday today when we're
Speaker 1: taping if he practiced or not. But he's doing it
Speaker 1: with who Vernon Davis out there. I mean, Josh Stotson
Speaker 1: is looking good. Yeah, he's coming on. Forgive me if
Speaker 1: they get the name wrong. So R J. P Ryan
Speaker 1: he played very well against the Saints. So I think
Speaker 1: maybe at the very least they have a guy that
Speaker 1: is not gonna be as dynamic as Thompson was, but um,
Speaker 1: he could do some things. One thing, mccluan. The issues
Speaker 1: have never been about his football acumant. It's been there
Speaker 1: off the field. Well yeah this time though, this time
Speaker 1: around that's probably the case. But I mean there was
Speaker 1: also I think that the remnants what's left in that
Speaker 1: front office is not exactly people with a massive track
Speaker 1: record of excellent decision makings. Let's move on, people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's move on. We gotta keep moving the tenant. Now
Speaker 1: we're out of Thanksgiving here, I'm not doing again. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: back of the Tennessee titoons off that humbling Thursday night loss.
Speaker 1: Uh now, no, they gotta they getta lay up. They
Speaker 1: got a lay up, they go to Indie or is
Speaker 1: it a lay up? Mark Seessler? I disagree. I don't
Speaker 1: see it as a lay up at all. I don't
Speaker 1: see any of these games as a layup for the Titans.
Speaker 1: They look at the Cults are they They will be
Speaker 1: an utter mess one week? But it's easy to forget
Speaker 1: because they were on their by. They played the Steelers tough,
Speaker 1: they lost by three, dominated for three courts exactly. And
Speaker 1: I don't think I think that this this Cults team
Speaker 1: is weird and Tennessee Dan, it's another one of these
Speaker 1: games for the Titans. What kind of game is it is?
Speaker 1: You know what it used to be. We needed to
Speaker 1: see the Titans go prove it against some of these
Speaker 1: teams that were you know, first, second, third, fourth seed
Speaker 1: type material. How about now just show us you can
Speaker 1: string to some wins together. I'm losing my respect for
Speaker 1: this team quickly. And you know, we massively overpraised the
Speaker 1: Steelers at times this season. I guess so the number
Speaker 1: two seed, but this Cults team nearly took him down.
Speaker 1: Come on, Titan, you just got wiped up Pittsburgh. No,
Speaker 1: because I I've chosen Pittsburgh for the Super Bowls pass
Speaker 1: and what I picked. I don't pick the Steelers for
Speaker 1: the last four years before this year to make the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for the f C, I've never got burned.
Speaker 1: I would have joined you this year. Probably Again, it's
Speaker 1: not that I don't believe that they're different there. Uh
Speaker 1: we thought their defense would get a lot better. And
Speaker 1: you know what, they're top five defense. They're the only
Speaker 1: team that you know, Minnesota right now is the only
Speaker 1: team that's top five in offense and defense. But to me,
Speaker 1: if Pittsburgh is right, they're the only team I think
Speaker 1: that can be at that level on both sides because
Speaker 1: the defense has absolutely made the leap. We got one
Speaker 1: right on, But then what are we doing with I
Speaker 1: don't know why we're talking about because because why are
Speaker 1: they barely beating the cults who we think that are
Speaker 1: going to roll. It's football and the Colts. Let's give
Speaker 1: the Colts a little credit. I think the Colts win
Speaker 1: this game, and they've the last three weeks they played.
Speaker 1: They dominated Cincinnati. They were very unlucky to lose that game,
Speaker 1: but they dominated it, really dominated. Houston played very well
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh. For the most part, this team is playing
Speaker 1: pretty hard. Jacobe set it's playing very well. I think
Speaker 1: people wrote him off because he had that one terrible game,
Speaker 1: but for the most part he's been fantastic. I think
Speaker 1: he's a future starter. And bad team, yeah, like the
Speaker 1: best really bad yeah, because people think of them as
Speaker 1: this kind of a total lost cause, and I think
Speaker 1: if they had had a few bounces, you know, go
Speaker 1: their way. They're not that much different than the Titans
Speaker 1: and their home. Like they're really a game last week
Speaker 1: too or two weeks ago so, and that kind of
Speaker 1: wanted tightens and five. If they lose this things wrong,
Speaker 1: if we yeah, if this room has turned on the
Speaker 1: Tytoons now and you don't want them involved with the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you're definitely for the cults here. People love this. Jake Brisket, though,
Speaker 1: I tell you what Jake Brisket gonna find a way
Speaker 1: to get to another place. He's now just gonna go
Speaker 1: back behind its valuable. There's unless someone came with a
Speaker 1: godfather offer, which I can't imagine that either, Like what
Speaker 1: you can't trade away a quality backup when you have
Speaker 1: no idea what you're getting. Let's see if Andrew luck
Speaker 1: is still round next year at this time. All right,
Speaker 1: let's that's supposed to be. It's got I just staying no, no,
Speaker 1: not a cessel. Just they're telling you that, just you know,
Speaker 1: keep a beat on it. He's got some chirping talk.
Speaker 1: You think he's gonna end up with the Browns or
Speaker 1: something talked to me months from now when I've when
Speaker 1: I've filled out this narrative in my mind further with
Speaker 1: the zero proof behind it. One of your sparrows, Frank Signetti,
Speaker 1: didn't he tell you about that guy's deep in the
Speaker 1: wilderness and Franks Signetti cleaning up the streets of Brooklyn? Alright?
Speaker 1: Moving on, the Cleveland Browns are over ten. Now they
Speaker 1: travel to Cincinnati to face the Bengals who resurrected let's
Speaker 1: let's just call it what it is. Their hopes for
Speaker 1: West of this with a win over the Broncos, Yes,
Speaker 1: and that only got them to forty six, but four
Speaker 1: and six. But now, um, Colleen, they get the Browns,
Speaker 1: so they should be able to get them the five
Speaker 1: and six unless something bad happens. They should the Bengals
Speaker 1: though right now that offensive line might be one of
Speaker 1: the worst in the league. And the first time that
Speaker 1: the Bengals played the Browns, they brown didn't have Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett out there, and Myles Garrett has been playing so well,
Speaker 1: so that's something to look at. And they can't run
Speaker 1: the ball either, the Bengals at all, so they're not
Speaker 1: maintaining drives. They're not sustaining drives at all. So I
Speaker 1: think when when I look at this game, like you
Speaker 1: have a j Green going up against Jason mccordy. Jason
Speaker 1: mccordy has been good this year. He's the number two
Speaker 1: cornerback in the league, carding a profit by focus, and
Speaker 1: people won't talk about that because it's the Browns. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that this is like a total gimme
Speaker 1: for the Bengals be competitive. You mentioned the Cincinnati running game.
Speaker 1: One of my more stubbornly uh stubbornly stupid decisions in
Speaker 1: my fantasy career aim this season, I just have not
Speaker 1: let I won't let go of Joe Mixon, and I
Speaker 1: keep waiting for Joe Mixon to break out. And now
Speaker 1: he's become the man in that backfield if you look
Speaker 1: at like the touches compared to him and Joe Bernard
Speaker 1: now Cincinnati saying okay, Joe, now be the man, be
Speaker 1: the man. And yet every week you look at the
Speaker 1: box score at least and it's just it's just not
Speaker 1: he's not putting it all together right now. It's the
Speaker 1: line though, it's the line right And it's taken me
Speaker 1: too long, I think, to realize that. So, you know,
Speaker 1: running back stats for the most part, are just like
Speaker 1: quarterback stats and quarterback wins, like it's all a function
Speaker 1: of the team around you. Joe Mixon was on the Vikings,
Speaker 1: he'd be lighting it up. This is a guy, I
Speaker 1: have no doubt about that. Yeah, And it's easy just
Speaker 1: to look right past the Browns week after week in
Speaker 1: this exercise. But their run defense has been ever accused
Speaker 1: as to that. Well I know, now, Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: think in general in terms of things, who's gonna win
Speaker 1: or lose? Cleveland's Cleveland's terrible. They're gonna get wiped out.
Speaker 1: The defense has some pieces. They played competitive against Jacksonville's
Speaker 1: offense last week. They did lose Emmanuel Ogba, where I
Speaker 1: think when you had Agba and Garrett off the edge,
Speaker 1: you had something there. And they've lost Jamie Collins. There's start.
Speaker 1: The injuries are starting to mount. Jamie Meeters gone as
Speaker 1: a very winnable game. It is. I think this is
Speaker 1: the game. This is by how much we'll give me
Speaker 1: a score seven to ten. I'm I think they're gonna wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the Cincinnati game, where I am remotely
Speaker 1: impressed with Cincinnati. Yeah, I haven't seen I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Like they're very consistently bad team. They're not a team
Speaker 1: that's up and down. They're a team that you look
Speaker 1: at him think, yeah, I don't know. I am so
Speaker 1: agitated by what I've heard. I'm gonna have to make
Speaker 1: a switch. Lindsay Bensey called my other law. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what my regular season record is. I'm locking
Speaker 1: up Cleveland here comes to win. I feel so guilty.
Speaker 1: It is all your fault, but I'm all right with it.
Speaker 1: They I do think honestly, they've just been getting a
Speaker 1: little bit closer in games. Good has here and there
Speaker 1: are good quarters. I'm not saying they're a good team,
Speaker 1: got a long way to go. But the Bengals, who
Speaker 1: we forked weeks ago, they are a bad to have
Speaker 1: to promise that this will be the last time Marvin
Speaker 1: lewis playing as the Browns. He's going out with a law.
Speaker 1: I think Mark might get this one. You have to
Speaker 1: if if things go sideways for the Browns again is
Speaker 1: happened ten straight weeks, that you won't be in a
Speaker 1: bad mood if they let you down. Because because if
Speaker 1: I were to be in a bad mood about the Browns,
Speaker 1: it would happen at one point over the past. You
Speaker 1: know you've done a wrap on balance separate. I've no emotion.
Speaker 1: A lock is not going to change that. I was
Speaker 1: nervous about it now, No, because I I don't think
Speaker 1: I take the lock as competitively as some may believe,
Speaker 1: like I like just I don't think you take it
Speaker 1: competitively like a huge Yeah you go for it? Um,
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. WHOA the Browns got locked up?
Speaker 1: Didn't you lock him up earlier this season? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: I did. All right, let's uh move on the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. They've been playing better with Ryan Fitzpatrick and
Speaker 1: they won a couple of games in roads too late,
Speaker 1: of course, and now they go to Atlanta, Greg to
Speaker 1: face the Falcons. We just talked about at the top
Speaker 1: of the show. This looks like a good spot for
Speaker 1: the Falcons at home to start stackingson wins themselves. They
Speaker 1: should they and they have a home loaded schedule down
Speaker 1: the stretch, so that should help them get to seven
Speaker 1: and four this week. They have a lot of tough
Speaker 1: games too. But if you're the Falcons, I think it's
Speaker 1: a plus that you have the Saints two more times.
Speaker 1: It's a plus that you still have the Panthers like
Speaker 1: they are playing the teams around this NFC South, It's
Speaker 1: taken a while for it to kind of come together,
Speaker 1: but in the end we've got three pretty compelling teams.
Speaker 1: They're playing each other all down the stretch. I still
Speaker 1: am very worried about the Falcons defense because the some
Speaker 1: do not equal like the parts. The parts are good, gritty,
Speaker 1: Jared's having a great season. Dion Jones, I think is
Speaker 1: the only player in the league that makes that tackle
Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson when he scrambled. I think he is
Speaker 1: the fastest linebacker in the league. Desmond Truffon is playing
Speaker 1: well like Tach McKinley has been coming on. But then
Speaker 1: when you watch them, they just give up yards and
Speaker 1: points every week. So I don't I don't count them
Speaker 1: as a lock in any type of game, but you
Speaker 1: would think they take care of this. I agree that
Speaker 1: you want if you're them and you want to say, listen,
Speaker 1: we are playoff team. You want to play those teams
Speaker 1: in your own division, mens him up and get into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. So that's what you have to be your Lanta.
Speaker 1: But if they lose this to Tampa Bay, you go
Speaker 1: to six and five and you have the and the
Speaker 1: Saints exactly like you. The case close, you gotta take
Speaker 1: care of in the box. I've went two straight. But
Speaker 1: let's be real. They played the Jets at home, played
Speaker 1: good defensively, not a good offensive game, and then you
Speaker 1: beat the offense, you might be the worst team in
Speaker 1: the week. I like former first round pick Adrian Claiborne
Speaker 1: going back to Tampa Bay revenge game. Claiborne, who by
Speaker 1: the way, had another and then he almost had a
Speaker 1: huge sack. He just he just missed that. Adrian Claiborne's
Speaker 1: the difference maker in the NFL right now. Um, I'll
Speaker 1: just throw this out there and for then it Bucks
Speaker 1: Bucks fans listening, including my boy shellin there. Four and six,
Speaker 1: I'll just throw it out there. Let's say they beat
Speaker 1: the Falcons and they get to five and six, and
Speaker 1: then they have the tidebreaker in Atlanta, and then you
Speaker 1: look at some of those teams in the as as
Speaker 1: good as the NFC is in terms of compared to
Speaker 1: the a f C. They have a pulse. You've lost
Speaker 1: me on that one. They're like someone that in like
Speaker 1: an old ancient war, got speared while riding a horse
Speaker 1: and they're on the ground, the wars happening around them,
Speaker 1: and they're still they'll be dead very soon. If you
Speaker 1: won this game, you're you're you have a major wound,
Speaker 1: you're lying on the battlefield, but you're not dead. And
Speaker 1: and they as bad as they've been this year, there's
Speaker 1: a reason every and liked them so much in the
Speaker 1: beginning of the ear If then somehow something happened and
Speaker 1: they started stringing some more games, I don't know, everyone
Speaker 1: loves starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yeah, but isn't Winston coming
Speaker 1: back sooner rather than later? It sounds is that a
Speaker 1: huge up? Right? It sounded this week like maybe that's
Speaker 1: not as certain, just the tone that they use that
Speaker 1: he's definitely out this week at least, and it sounded
Speaker 1: like maybe they're just gonna Patrick for a little bit
Speaker 1: and game and just to clarify, it's all predicated on
Speaker 1: them somehow winning in a level the week, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that will happen. Now let's move on, Oh,
Speaker 1: to the throne of these What a great greg as
Speaker 1: you eat your turkey and you have some mash mash
Speaker 1: potatoes there and some stuff, and Colleen won't even give
Speaker 1: up the yams. Now, um, these are some good times
Speaker 1: to be on the throne of these. Not only are
Speaker 1: they looking the Patriots looking not they pro now and alert,
Speaker 1: the Patriots looking dominant on both sides of the ball. Now,
Speaker 1: now you have one of the worst teams in football
Speaker 1: coming into your building. What a party it's going to
Speaker 1: be at the mall in Foxboro. I like, I'd rather
Speaker 1: see them play a competitive team that's some thrown of
Speaker 1: these stuff. You know this Dolphins team. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not watching this game live. There's there should be
Speaker 1: some better, better games. What about you? What do you
Speaker 1: have to say about this game? Well, I just wonder
Speaker 1: if the Patriots, who have been through so much this season, God,
Speaker 1: remember all those yards the yards up now you're giving up,
Speaker 1: you know, twelve and a half points per game, could
Speaker 1: you possibly find a way at home? It's a tall
Speaker 1: order to take care of the most unwatchable offense in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL and and get on back on track
Speaker 1: to that plucky fourteen and two mark that we expect
Speaker 1: you to have at the end of the year. Do
Speaker 1: we know who the quarterback is going to be for
Speaker 1: this one? No, Jake Cutler is still in the I
Speaker 1: think I think the Patriots are gonna go with Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: He's playing well. Get Hoyer has gotten some playing times
Speaker 1: back to back to back weeks. One. One thing that's
Speaker 1: been under the radar for them is like Chris Hogan's
Speaker 1: not even been playing lately. So they're doing this without
Speaker 1: Edelman without and I mean without Edelman, without Hogan. Malcolm
Speaker 1: Mitchell is on injured reserve. He might be coming back
Speaker 1: to the books, so that That is another thing that
Speaker 1: I'm Brandon Cooks though, played the game of of of
Speaker 1: the season. That's been a great move that he has
Speaker 1: given them everything they could have asked for and more.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they haven't always been great bringing in veteran wide receivers.
Speaker 1: This guy was a perfect fit for them, and and
Speaker 1: Dion Lewis is starting to get a little little more
Speaker 1: national love. There really are a few hundred and nine
Speaker 1: poundbacks in NFL history that run inside like Dion Lewis.
Speaker 1: They are counting on him as their primary back. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this can last forever, but I love
Speaker 1: watching that guy play. How much of a blowout is
Speaker 1: it's going to be? They are huge, huge favorites. I
Speaker 1: mean you would you would think they've been blowing out
Speaker 1: teams lately. This is one they should if this is
Speaker 1: if they win by less than twenty points, it would
Speaker 1: be a disappointment for people like, well, they're just rolling there.
Speaker 1: They've won two games by twenty five plus points in
Speaker 1: a row, and they haven't done that three of three
Speaker 1: a row, I think since two thousand and five. And
Speaker 1: suddenly this feels like the team that can do all
Speaker 1: these things. The page, the offensive it's I think it's
Speaker 1: the best offense in the league, and Marty b is
Speaker 1: adding a little bit to the mix. Not gonna have
Speaker 1: ton of snaps. Another part for us to embrace. Oh,
Speaker 1: it gives me chill just thinking about his comeback, defeating
Speaker 1: the odds and the evil Green Bay Packers team doctors
Speaker 1: and the team that invested in multimillion dollar contract in him.
Speaker 1: The positive side of spen you when you get older
Speaker 1: and you're thinking back, and you'll, I think you'll wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, why didn't I appreciate the greatest run any
Speaker 1: NFL team did appreciate that greatness. Appreciate it plenty. Thank you.
Speaker 1: And what speaking of like overcoming so much all those
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia gifts in the first couple of weeks when
Speaker 1: they were struggling, Listen, they backs up against the wall
Speaker 1: and to see the way the way it is, that's
Speaker 1: really I think they have. I think they have legit
Speaker 1: weaknesses on defenses, but they don't have on defense. Just
Speaker 1: look at the roster and without Malcolm Brown, the run defense,
Speaker 1: all this stuff, but they're not playing any opponents that
Speaker 1: can take advantage of it. Really for the rest of
Speaker 1: the season, other than Pittsburgh, and there's not the teams
Speaker 1: in the a f C on offense that you can
Speaker 1: really see doing it's all in the NFC Lucky fourteen
Speaker 1: and two. Let's move on the Chicago Bear. A lot
Speaker 1: of the theme of this week, by the way, the matchups,
Speaker 1: it's a crappy team against a okay, too good, too
Speaker 1: great team. It's not a lot. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of actual good games. That's when you're looking out A
Speaker 1: lot of win on Yeah, a lot of two teams
Speaker 1: with the winning record. That's why the Lions Vikings is sneaky.
Speaker 1: The second best game of the week wild, so colle
Speaker 1: and we have the Bears traveling to Philadelphia to play
Speaker 1: your Eagles, and I guess speaking while we're talking throwing
Speaker 1: the vs. Obviously Greg exists in his own plane. But
Speaker 1: as an Eagles fan now, no, no Lombardi trophies in
Speaker 1: the team headquarters a lot, but there's some championships back before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course sixty definitely no throwing. But you are you
Speaker 1: getting to the point now as an Eagles fan. Uh?
Speaker 1: And I only experienced this once myself and nine de
Speaker 1: eate with the Jets where they start rolling through teams
Speaker 1: and it's like so fun to watch them do that.
Speaker 1: They still didn't get to the Super Bowl. Are you
Speaker 1: super confident that every week now they're just gonna roll? No? No,
Speaker 1: Because I've been hurt so many times by this team.
Speaker 1: It's like I can't. It's hard for me to trust them.
Speaker 1: And they look so good, and I keep saying myself,
Speaker 1: are they really this good? The Eagles are good? This
Speaker 1: is weird. I don't. I don't feel comfortable. I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for fear, like a major tropic injury. I'm so afraid
Speaker 1: of a massive and if that's your biggest fear, then
Speaker 1: you're in a great You're not saying, like I sneakily,
Speaker 1: I don't love their run defense. It's a great quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that come down to earth or like they have so
Speaker 1: much stuff, like they're they're running back so ridiculous. They
Speaker 1: had they rushed for how many yards? Over two hundred
Speaker 1: yards I think in this game, and nobody had over
Speaker 1: a hundred tell us. It's like it's listen and the
Speaker 1: fact that Jason Peters went down and it's not really
Speaker 1: affecting that hasn't killed them because the other four spots
Speaker 1: are good. Should should we should we talk about what
Speaker 1: Colleen was dreaming about, how amazing the Eagles are. I
Speaker 1: stole the yams. Oh yeah, you want had I need more?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Colleen. Should we talk about it? Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Let's talk about it the uh, Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Gang Green. Let's talk about Gang Green, because you
Speaker 1: guys talking about the black mark on no I wrote,
Speaker 1: I wrote on my neck this morning on the way here.
Speaker 1: I was actually I was trying to take notes during
Speaker 1: our conference fall meeting Gang Green, UM the Eagles. I
Speaker 1: think a player on the defense, Jalen Mills, made up
Speaker 1: some T shirts UH and Gang Green and then some
Speaker 1: It was like a cartoon of like the defense, and
Speaker 1: that's how it got on my radar. That apparently the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and this is not the first time in the team's
Speaker 1: recent history, UM, they have been trying to us co
Speaker 1: opt Gang Green as their own where if you're a
Speaker 1: Jets fan, if you're an NFL fan, of course the
Speaker 1: Jets are Gang Green. That is their nickname. It has
Speaker 1: been and I've been doing research. I have contacts in
Speaker 1: the New York newspaper business that I've been working the
Speaker 1: phones this week because I want to write about the
Speaker 1: late eighties, Buddy Ryan, Reggie White years and the research
Speaker 1: will will back up everything I'm saying is that what
Speaker 1: my research is telling me right now is that Gang
Speaker 1: Green was a connection, a creation of the New York
Speaker 1: tabloids in the late seventies early eighties around the advent
Speaker 1: when the New York Sack Exchange started to come in,
Speaker 1: and they were known as Gang Green. The first usage
Speaker 1: that I'm seeing by the Eagles is Reggie White, which
Speaker 1: was about a decade later. And by the way, while
Speaker 1: we're here, the Eagles have also tried to steal bird Gang,
Speaker 1: which is a Cardinals thing. Oh my god. And so
Speaker 1: there's everybody's course on birds. And if you go back
Speaker 1: to the eleven season, not that long ago, they try
Speaker 1: to steal dream team. The Eagles are thieves. I would
Speaker 1: steal your own body trophy if you had one, but
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't get Gang Green. That Jets don't
Speaker 1: have much. But we do have that kind of bad nickname.
Speaker 1: That's ours, I mean cool, you can keep the nickname.
Speaker 1: The Eagles are still way better. So Greg's hope everybody
Speaker 1: get out of this. If you show without eight straight
Speaker 1: minutes on the Jets has been I like latin. I
Speaker 1: just remembering, wasn't it the Jets just this season who
Speaker 1: tried to steal the no fly zone? Yes, but of
Speaker 1: course nobody is pure. Here's the thing the Jets. You know,
Speaker 1: you say everyone knows their Gang Green. I mean Jalen
Speaker 1: knows doesn't know they're Gangreen. They gotta win some game,
Speaker 1: they gotta like get in the mix. No one's saying
Speaker 1: Gang Green lately. Those players they never knew that nine
Speaker 1: you could take it just because the team. I think
Speaker 1: they did say it on Sunday Night Football, though. I
Speaker 1: think Michael's Michael's he went with Gang Green? You did?
Speaker 1: That's a bad Michael's starting to get a little older.
Speaker 1: That's you're starting to get pulled away from the Jets.
Speaker 1: They don't care what happened in nineteen seventy seven. They've
Speaker 1: had to reincorporate everyone. When when you come after Gang Green,
Speaker 1: well he's you know, so anyway, yeah, let us have that.
Speaker 1: Why do you have to take that? I mean, talk
Speaker 1: to Jalen Mills about it, talk to Gang Green about it.
Speaker 1: I mean teams incorporated their play like a Jet with
Speaker 1: their fill in the blank names. You know, so you
Speaker 1: the Jets have been stolen from that to media day
Speaker 1: and Dan just walking around grumbling asking all the why
Speaker 1: do you take Green? No fly zone is actually abdicated
Speaker 1: because um, they changed their name to the Rocky Mountain Avalanche.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that, all right, let's move on speaking
Speaker 1: of Gang Green. They are hosting the Carolina Panthers, uh
Speaker 1: this week, and here we go, Greg, the Panthers. Um,
Speaker 1: you gotta love the Panthers right right right there, like
Speaker 1: the NFC team that's not getting the love of these
Speaker 1: other quote unquote juggernauts in the conference. They're not because
Speaker 1: they've been kind of an ugly team offensively for most
Speaker 1: of the season. They're also coming off of a bye
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, who have gotten the top twelve of of
Speaker 1: my QB Index this week. So overall it's been good
Speaker 1: because he's had about three games as as good as
Speaker 1: any quarterbacks played all year, but he's also had some
Speaker 1: terrible game. I mean, it's been an up and down team,
Speaker 1: kind of like their quarterback. But it feels like they're
Speaker 1: coming together and they've been the same defense week after week,
Speaker 1: and now that they've got the running game going, like
Speaker 1: I I think that the Saints should not just assume
Speaker 1: they're winning this NFC South Saints have a tough schedule.
Speaker 1: They're in l A this week, and I think Carolina
Speaker 1: might end up winning this division and that the Saints
Speaker 1: have the Panthers next week, so the Panthers have to
Speaker 1: take care of business this time around. And I think
Speaker 1: it's fair to say, why was no one paying attention
Speaker 1: to Carolina watching all their games up until that Monday
Speaker 1: night destruction to Miami were like because Miami. Yeah, their
Speaker 1: identity flipped though, and they became what they wanted to become.
Speaker 1: They were one of the more boring teams to watch
Speaker 1: on offense, that seemed a bit confused about what they are.
Speaker 1: They're not confused now. No greg Olsen, he'll be back
Speaker 1: to out from the boot. You're getting grind Khalil back
Speaker 1: most likely you're getting Greg Olsen back. So that's two
Speaker 1: of your Green's gig challenges. I don't think they're going
Speaker 1: to compete in this game. I think the Panthers are
Speaker 1: gonna keep rolling and that Saints come back against the Redskins.
Speaker 1: That looms large huge right now because if not, they're
Speaker 1: tied right now. Uh, and that gives them a little
Speaker 1: bit of cushion, because I think the Panthers are gonna
Speaker 1: keep winning this week. Worried about the Jets offensive line.
Speaker 1: The Jets offensive line six sacks against the But well,
Speaker 1: but a week ago you were very into them. It
Speaker 1: was really one one game. It was which was their
Speaker 1: worst game of the season. They had their best game
Speaker 1: of the season and then probably the worst game of
Speaker 1: the season back to back. I told you I never
Speaker 1: thought they were a great team. They're either the best
Speaker 1: bad team or the worst good team, and so that
Speaker 1: they can go either way. But the Panthers are legitimately
Speaker 1: good to him, So I don't see this working out
Speaker 1: well for my team. Let's move on. The Seahawks travel
Speaker 1: to San Francisco to face the Niners. Mark Sessler um
Speaker 1: uh At At this time, we're not hearing anything about
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, whether he'll make his debut for San Francisco.
Speaker 1: But Seattle, you feel like this is a good spot
Speaker 1: for them in the sense that they they're desperate for
Speaker 1: a win in San Francisco. Is there to be had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like Kyle Shanahan before the draft, tried to tell
Speaker 1: reporters over and over that he was not you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't feel pressure to draft a rookie quarterback that season,
Speaker 1: you know, and put it right in the lineup. And
Speaker 1: when they when they got Jimmy G, they said, we
Speaker 1: don't feel pressured to play him right away. And I
Speaker 1: didn't buy that either. And I think that maybe we
Speaker 1: don't see Jimmy G this week, and maybe you nearing
Speaker 1: a sound like that. It's early in the week we're
Speaker 1: taping this, but there's weird. There's no whispers around it,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I guess, I guess maybe you wait
Speaker 1: until you get to a little bit softer part of
Speaker 1: the schedule than Seattle. But Seattle themselves, we taught Greg
Speaker 1: mentioned the rough slate they have if they lose this game,
Speaker 1: well win or lose. After this, you have the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, the Rams, and the Cowboys with Zekiel Elliott back.
Speaker 1: So you're already in your playoffs stretch stretch up your Seattle.
Speaker 1: You need to go in here and you can't. You
Speaker 1: just need to take care of business. Once again, it's
Speaker 1: nothing these teams that you've got a good again, good team,
Speaker 1: bad team slip up here, the cost will be high
Speaker 1: and the run game for the Seahawks, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: been such an issue because Russell Wilson has been doing everything.
Speaker 1: But it looks like Mike Davis is probably going to
Speaker 1: be out for this game too, So then they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to go back to Eddie Lacey and it's around
Speaker 1: around we go. They look pretty good last night too.
Speaker 1: They they have so many weaknesses, they have too many.
Speaker 1: To me, they're not a playoff team. When Seattle, yeah
Speaker 1: they have great they have some great players, but they
Speaker 1: the secondary would make up for a lot of what
Speaker 1: was going on, and that's no longer a strength. The
Speaker 1: defensive line, which used to be great, is okay, it's
Speaker 1: solid now. I don't think it's been Michael Bennett's best season.
Speaker 1: You don't have Cliff Aviril anymore. You have a great
Speaker 1: linebacker group, but you've got no offensive line, no running game.
Speaker 1: It's like that's too many weaknesses with this type of schedule.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're a lot to win any game
Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, c J. Beathard, if he starts,
Speaker 1: maybe one of the reasons is he played great the
Speaker 1: last time they played. I mean, he lit up the
Speaker 1: Giants and everyone think, okay, there was a giant he
Speaker 1: made some really good throws in that game, and they
Speaker 1: went up and down the field all four quarters. And
Speaker 1: maybe they think, I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the thought is. The Garoppolo think kind of weirds me.
Speaker 1: I with you, because I thought he would I thought
Speaker 1: this would have been the week after apply where you
Speaker 1: put him in there. You're gonna if you're who cares,
Speaker 1: so you're playing if you're on this team, you have
Speaker 1: to play the Seahawks twice a year every year and
Speaker 1: all these other times. If they don't play Garoppolo this week,
Speaker 1: it's becoming clear that they're not even gonna view this season.
Speaker 1: And some people thought after the trade, oh, they get
Speaker 1: to evaluate him. It feels like they're gonna fly blind
Speaker 1: and pay him a ton of dough next year. You
Speaker 1: think you said him for the rest of the year. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like all bets are off of It hasn't
Speaker 1: happened now with a three or four weeks in um.
Speaker 1: But if they really do, or they've decided internally he's
Speaker 1: the guy, maybe there is there is a good reason
Speaker 1: they don't want to put him behind this team at
Speaker 1: this time. They didn't mention that it's it's one of
Speaker 1: the harder offenses to learn on the fly and jump in.
Speaker 1: But it's I wonder if they just don't want it
Speaker 1: to go poorly and then everything gets There's something weird
Speaker 1: about that because there's a rookie from Iowa who's back
Speaker 1: there playing, so it's like it's also been getting killed
Speaker 1: back there until this past game. Um, all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Now it is time all you know what
Speaker 1: time it is. Shoulders of greatness presented by head in
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Speaker 1: we focus on are always focus on a Thursday night
Speaker 1: football game, said, now we're gonna focus on the best
Speaker 1: game of the week, Colleen Wolf. The New Orleans Saints
Speaker 1: coming off, yes, that incredible comeback against the Redskins to
Speaker 1: hold on to sole possession of first place in the
Speaker 1: NFC South, and now they travel to here to face
Speaker 1: the Rams, who got a sit down, be humble moment
Speaker 1: against the Vikings last week. How do you think they
Speaker 1: bounced back from that? I don't know how the Rams
Speaker 1: are gonna do in this one. I actually like the
Speaker 1: Saints in this game. The Rams run defense, that's their
Speaker 1: biggest weakness, and we saw what Latavious Murray, and I
Speaker 1: know a lot of that came late in the game,
Speaker 1: but the Vikings were able to get some big runs there,
Speaker 1: and I think the Saints obviously that's their bread and butter.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ingram and Camara. Amazingly, they're on pace right
Speaker 1: now for over three thousand yards from scrimmage. That is
Speaker 1: a crazy stat. But the Saints they did lose Alex
Speaker 1: Oka for in this game, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: a big loss for them because having him and cam
Speaker 1: Jordan's together that Saints def that was a big part
Speaker 1: of having the Saints defense kind of come back from
Speaker 1: where it was last year. So it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: an easy one. It's definitely gonna be the best game
Speaker 1: of the week. The Rams also lost two cornerbacks in
Speaker 1: this game, so I don't I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: going to be coming back or not. I thought on
Speaker 1: the Saints side watching the game yesterday that Drew Brees
Speaker 1: this is exactly kind of when we talked about why
Speaker 1: this is such a fun interesting offense for the Saints
Speaker 1: is that they have this great running attack, but then
Speaker 1: they still have this all time quarterback you can still
Speaker 1: play and then he showed it like he got that
Speaker 1: he saved that game. And then I thought it was
Speaker 1: interesting after he single handedly brought them back with Kobe
Speaker 1: Fleaner's help, by the way, uh they then once the
Speaker 1: game was back on even ground, they said they turned
Speaker 1: it back over and overtime said all right, running game,
Speaker 1: take us home. And it was just such a great
Speaker 1: showing of what they can do and what happens when
Speaker 1: they have to hit a panic switch. Actually they don't
Speaker 1: hit a panic switch. He's he's the leader in the
Speaker 1: NFL in net yards per attempt, so he is still
Speaker 1: literally the most efficient or if you want to say,
Speaker 1: explosive in terms of you know, yards per pass quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league. That's an incredible combination. We would be
Speaker 1: talking much differently about them, though, if, for instance, Raphael
Speaker 1: Bush didn't you know, run over and kind of make
Speaker 1: a help tackle on a second down where Somagi p
Speaker 1: Ryan almost ended the game and so that's one play
Speaker 1: and they made a nice play there, we would be
Speaker 1: talking about how the defense was not to say, game
Speaker 1: without Marshawn Lattimore. He was not on the field, and
Speaker 1: Cousins picked on that side of the field the entire game.
Speaker 1: And they got this whole one of my favorite little
Speaker 1: trends of the year, and we can't get into it all.
Speaker 1: Here is the Bonk Game, the Bonk Gang. I blew it.
Speaker 1: That's that's the name of their group, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into it in future shows. The Bonking that's what
Speaker 1: they call. That's what they call their secondary. But to me,
Speaker 1: that secondary is really Lattimore. So if Lattimore, we don't
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna play this week. I think it's
Speaker 1: looking good for him to play. But if he doesn't play,
Speaker 1: I don't think they were the same Saints defense. And
Speaker 1: you guys are kind of doubting the team of a
Speaker 1: t L. We didn't pick him last week. They had
Speaker 1: their probably the worst game of the season. They're at home.
Speaker 1: People aren't gonna be buying them in a big spot.
Speaker 1: And I totally forgot to lock up my team before
Speaker 1: earlier in the show. So since I forgot that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lock up the Rams now I like it. I
Speaker 1: think Greg's gonna get this one potentially. I mean the
Speaker 1: one thing that game against the Vikings Rams Vikings. I
Speaker 1: watched it yesterday and I was it was seven seven
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and I think what changed of
Speaker 1: the Rams in that game kind of threw him off
Speaker 1: the flow. Was the Cooper cup in the fumble at
Speaker 1: the one yard line completely changed kind of the flow
Speaker 1: of that whole thing. But they were in that game
Speaker 1: until it kind of fell apart in the end. Now
Speaker 1: the thing is if they if the Saints and getting
Speaker 1: their system where they get close and then they unleash Ingram.
Speaker 1: Ac made a good comparison, calling him a lot of
Speaker 1: very Emmett Smith like in some of his traits this season.
Speaker 1: Not every year, but this year. I see it and
Speaker 1: I just think that Ingram is the guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: you can ride him till the But a great matchup
Speaker 1: in terms of strength because the Saints are gonna be
Speaker 1: able to run the ball, I think on the Rams
Speaker 1: and what a matchup coaching minds. I think McVeigh and
Speaker 1: Payton are doing as well as anyone. And if with
Speaker 1: Oaka four out, I think there are vulnerabilities in this
Speaker 1: Sean defense. The Sean off, I think it's gonna have
Speaker 1: a lot of points. You can get pressure on Goff.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been great. It was not great in that game.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Sean McVeigh Sean Rams only have one win
Speaker 1: against a team with a winning record. A lot of
Speaker 1: people think about that, but they've also handled teams they've
Speaker 1: been explode, the Niners, the Cardinals, Science and Texans and Greg.
Speaker 1: I do I know, always something, always something with you
Speaker 1: with the lock off. You want some shenanigans again. I
Speaker 1: know now what's going to happen is if you lose
Speaker 1: this one, you could always go to No. No, that's
Speaker 1: the game I actually wanted. The other one was boring anyways,
Speaker 1: it was the Panthers. So this I'm much more excited
Speaker 1: about this. This is, This is I found. There's so
Speaker 1: much Jets would have created more you can conflict taking
Speaker 1: the mirror, Yeah, I would have been with that Panthers
Speaker 1: over Jets. I don't know. You could look in the mirror,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be I'm not sure what you again? We we
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was going to feuded last week.
Speaker 1: But again, it doesn't matter what any of us think
Speaker 1: whether oh this was a cowardly lock it's about the mirror, yes,
Speaker 1: but that's fine. But it's unpleasant when your friends are
Speaker 1: all calling you a howard and you're you're shuttled off
Speaker 1: to the week and like a non man, everyone's mirrors
Speaker 1: what happened. No, I mean I that's why I keep
Speaker 1: picking the Browns and the Cowboys missing three all pros,
Speaker 1: so that I don't have to don't clear that brown
Speaker 1: stuff on us already, it's already inside. Had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with Dan and it's only increasing. It's just
Speaker 1: a mirror. There should be no fighting because all it
Speaker 1: is you fight with the man in the mirror. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it when you take a touchdown favorite at home.
Speaker 1: You know you know that when you look in the
Speaker 1: mirror and see that. Guys. I hate this time of
Speaker 1: the show doing it again. It's the worst time of
Speaker 1: the show, these corporate meetings I gotta go to. What
Speaker 1: about the idea you are the host of the show? Um,
Speaker 1: this was suggested to me by someone and I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good idea. Is somebody in this room
Speaker 1: you have no you have some you have some pull.
Speaker 1: Why don't you say you need to push this meeting
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Speaker 1: them anyway. Moving on, the Buffalo Bills travel to Kansas
Speaker 1: City to face the Chiefs, and yes, the Chiefs are
Speaker 1: playing terribly on offense, Greg and everyone's wondering if they
Speaker 1: peak too soon. It certainly looks that way right now,
Speaker 1: but when you're trying to figure out how to move
Speaker 1: on from a terrible lustle. But like what happened with
Speaker 1: the Giants, having the Buffalo Bills at this juncture feels
Speaker 1: like the perfect anecdote to get things back on track. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are the two teams in the a f C
Speaker 1: that looked great and have fallen off the hardest. And
Speaker 1: I think one advantage you have with Andy Reid as
Speaker 1: a head coach is he's been in slumps before, and
Speaker 1: to me, coaching in the NFL is about adjustments during
Speaker 1: the season. So Sean mc dermott was saying, this happens,
Speaker 1: This happens to every team. You know, you have your
Speaker 1: ups and downs. Well, the way that they've getten beaten
Speaker 1: down for three straight weeks, that doesn't happen to every team.
Speaker 1: But there are ups and downs. And I kind of
Speaker 1: trust Andy Reid to diagnose and figure out what is
Speaker 1: wrong with this team and find a way to get
Speaker 1: out of it and start finding some matchups that work.
Speaker 1: Again for the Kansas City Chiefs, because he's been in
Speaker 1: up and down seasons before, and I trust that staff
Speaker 1: a whole lot more than I do. The Buffalo Bill
Speaker 1: staff I trusted too. I can't help though, if you're
Speaker 1: a Chiefs fan or part of that team, that you
Speaker 1: wish that Nate Peterman had done just basically bottom line
Speaker 1: work had been okay, and then you've got Nate Peterman
Speaker 1: in this game. I understand the Tyrod Taylor is we
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know right now. I think Peterman
Speaker 1: might start and this Tuesday, and we don't out Wednesday,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you don't put Tyrod Taylor,
Speaker 1: who came in and generated two quick touchdowns. I understand
Speaker 1: he's not a top five quarterback, but he is remarkably
Speaker 1: better than what we saw from Nate Peterman. That the
Speaker 1: Bills when they were on their run, they turned the
Speaker 1: ball over three times in their first seven games. They
Speaker 1: have ten turnovers. I believe it is in the last three.
Speaker 1: It would not surprise me if Peterman starts. I know
Speaker 1: we should probably linger on this because people are gonna
Speaker 1: find out maybe before they even hear this, but um,
Speaker 1: they put him. They know that they messed up now obviously.
Speaker 1: But part of the reason why this makes sense, even
Speaker 1: though it's another road game and a and a tough environment,
Speaker 1: Casey's past defense is nothing to get crazy about. So
Speaker 1: you give this kid another chance. And and it also
Speaker 1: shows that you kind of still stand by your organizational
Speaker 1: philosophy and what's going on to that position. Well, they're
Speaker 1: already sinking anyway. It's like you gotta either choose to
Speaker 1: go against what you did and just eat the Humi humiliation,
Speaker 1: or really stick to what you believe in, which is
Speaker 1: this kid can do it, maybe in a better situation
Speaker 1: against the worst defense. How can you look at the
Speaker 1: rest of the team, though, I think that's problematic. They're
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have Kelvin Benjamin in this game. How
Speaker 1: do you look at the defense and tell them we're
Speaker 1: legitimately giving you the best chance by not turning it over.
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor is one of the most interception allergic quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the NFL over the last three or four years.
Speaker 1: That's one of the best things he does is not
Speaker 1: he's almost careful to a fault, but that that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. I think when you have this team, because
Speaker 1: they're giving up more than five yards per carry since
Speaker 1: they traded Darius, that's a huge problem. Kareem Hunt and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs running game has not gotten it going for
Speaker 1: a while. And I think this is a game where
Speaker 1: you break out every Andy Reid running scheme and play
Speaker 1: that you can, and you focus on cream Hunt and
Speaker 1: you limit the risk because I don't think the Bills
Speaker 1: are scoring much in this game, and you run all
Speaker 1: over the Bills. Let's gonna lock this up. This is
Speaker 1: this is almost too easy. They're probably a huge favorites. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: I mean Panthers over Jets is too easy. This would
Speaker 1: not have been This would have been interesting to see
Speaker 1: that they see the Chiefs will be much bigger favorites
Speaker 1: than the pan I don't know. I like the ramps.
Speaker 1: Those are the basic rules of the game. UM. One
Speaker 1: last thought before this game, and this is our last
Speaker 1: FOURK committee gathering. We we always do it at the
Speaker 1: final gathering happens before Thanksgiving. So do we want to
Speaker 1: take this opportunity to preemptively forked the Bills if we
Speaker 1: all believe they're going into k C to get um humbled?
Speaker 1: Fork um every once in a while with the fork,
Speaker 1: you got a fork a team that's right in the mix.
Speaker 1: And they're literally tied for the last playoff spot. But
Speaker 1: I'm confident that they're not going to bounce back. I'd
Speaker 1: for I will too, because they lose the tiebreaker to
Speaker 1: the Chargers, who I think will show well down the stretch.
Speaker 1: And I'm starting to climb onto Greg's Ravens bandwagon is
Speaker 1: a potential six seed because of that defense just looks
Speaker 1: so great on Sunday and has for weeks. I agree.
Speaker 1: I I want to fork the Bills as well. We
Speaker 1: didn't stick, We didn't formalize that. We actually just moved on.
Speaker 1: The Redskins were all down to fork as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as am I. So let's do. That's it. That wraps up.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're gonna have one more conversation before the
Speaker 1: end of the show. Let's move on to our next game.
Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars are heading to Arizona. Mark Sessler. The Jags, yes,
Speaker 1: are absolutely stacking them win wins. They're now seven and
Speaker 1: three and they get another favorable matchup. This has been
Speaker 1: a nice little schedule for the Jags. The Cardinals are
Speaker 1: a beatable team, as a Texan showed last week. Terrible
Speaker 1: matchup for Arizona. They are super hot and cold, but
Speaker 1: there with their run game which is trending towards cold,
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars are I think that one of the
Speaker 1: best road defenses we've seen in ages. They are allowing
Speaker 1: less than ten points per game on the road. They
Speaker 1: are generating saxon turnovers. They were I know it was Cleveland,
Speaker 1: but they just went into a bad weather environment and
Speaker 1: dominated Cleveland's offense, and they just get better and better
Speaker 1: and start to create havoc as the game goes along.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you put whether it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Blae Gabbert with the starter again they neutralize the run,
Speaker 1: which they will do, and then you put Blaine Gabbert
Speaker 1: into a pass first situation against Jalen Ramsey, a j boy.
Speaker 1: And they got a bunch of guys on their defense.
Speaker 1: We talked about those two, but up on their defensive line,
Speaker 1: Calais Campbell, Greg You've got a guy on that defense
Speaker 1: you love. I mean, and got Way last week had
Speaker 1: a game that he basically took over. He was a
Speaker 1: part of three forced fumbles. He's so athletic, like he
Speaker 1: can close on you, like he's a power forward, like
Speaker 1: blocking an opponent on a fast break. I mean, they
Speaker 1: have just guys upon guys have Marcel Darius and Malik Jackson,
Speaker 1: two of the highest paid defensive tackles in the league,
Speaker 1: as role players. It's like people given Darius all the
Speaker 1: credit now that they can stop the run suddenly, so
Speaker 1: he's playing twenty five snaps a game, like you can't
Speaker 1: even give him all the credit. They don't need. They're
Speaker 1: like ten or eleven deep. I think they have the
Speaker 1: potential to be one of the best defenses we've seen
Speaker 1: over the last three or four years. They got to
Speaker 1: close out the season strong, and all those guys are
Speaker 1: under contract moving forward, So this is a defense that
Speaker 1: should stay together. Let's move on. The Denver Broncos are
Speaker 1: traveling to Oakland to face and Um, I mean I
Speaker 1: that sounded like a man on his last breath. That
Speaker 1: might have been. Um. The last breath of me believing
Speaker 1: in the Raiders was that no show against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Uh uh? And now they get the Broncos, another team
Speaker 1: that couldn't be a bigger disappointment this show. These might
Speaker 1: be the two biggest disappointments in the league this year.
Speaker 1: And what and Mark, let's start here. Um, we've already
Speaker 1: forked the Broncos. You want to fork the Raiders too?
Speaker 1: For today before this game, we're getting into dangerous territory
Speaker 1: because you know we're gonna basically have to we have
Speaker 1: to nail the a f C. Well, it's not supposed
Speaker 1: to be easy, though, and you and I I am
Speaker 1: one too. I will fork before I should. And I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with having to send a charity
Speaker 1: scenario out to someone, which we've not always been great
Speaker 1: with that, but w huh you premature for worker in
Speaker 1: this case. I am I listen. I I don't believe
Speaker 1: in Oakland. I haven't for weeks and weeks, and it's
Speaker 1: becoming an entire narrative. It was predictable. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: you've been bagging on Oakland all year problem and I
Speaker 1: did not. I was not surprised they didn't show up
Speaker 1: against the Patriots. Get out of my life. I again,
Speaker 1: I have stud by them. I thought they were gonna
Speaker 1: make a run. I thought they were going to get
Speaker 1: a wild card potentially, but I just lost any faith.
Speaker 1: They just have too many holes and they just don't
Speaker 1: seem to have the Jews. Have we considered, you know,
Speaker 1: the ramifications of our dear friend Derek Carr, who is
Speaker 1: on this show. You know he we brought him back.
Speaker 1: We said we would say a nice thing about them
Speaker 1: every week, and uh, my thing I'm gonna say, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I think they still have a chance
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, and I'm not allowing them to
Speaker 1: be forked. They got the Broncos this week, perfect matchup.
Speaker 1: You know, the their defense has never been saved solved
Speaker 1: under Jack Del Rio. I don't think it will be
Speaker 1: this season. So you gotta only beat teams that have
Speaker 1: problems on offense. You can beat the Broncos at home,
Speaker 1: you can beat the Giants at home next week. Then
Speaker 1: you're six and six and a lousy a f C
Speaker 1: schedule not too easy after that. But they have something,
Speaker 1: and that's car and that's the offensive line that some
Speaker 1: weapons like. When I look across the a f C landscape,
Speaker 1: at least they got something you can hold onto. I
Speaker 1: think they can get the eight wins. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's gonna be enough or not. I like the
Speaker 1: Ravens better, but the Raiders might be, you know, the
Speaker 1: second team that that would take a chance on if
Speaker 1: that's to happen, and it's certainly possible. I would like
Speaker 1: to see them when I watched them, to feel any
Speaker 1: sense of enjoyment. They they've tumbled off such a cliff
Speaker 1: from how when they were to watch a year ago.
Speaker 1: And I look at the Broncos and Raiders both and say,
Speaker 1: for for Jack del Rio, for Vance Joseph, it has
Speaker 1: been a long year coaching wise, it's just been a
Speaker 1: rough road for these two teams. They're both vastly disappointed.
Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about. Mike McCoy, coordinator to the Broncos,
Speaker 1: has been fired. That happened right after our last show
Speaker 1: on Monday morning. And there's a lot of talk that
Speaker 1: John Elway. You know, he's a competitive guy. He's got
Speaker 1: his hands in all this and this was his hand
Speaker 1: picked guy. Joseph McCoy was a guy who had worked
Speaker 1: under Elway before. He's got his quarterbacks. He brings back Broncos.
Speaker 1: While it's not been a good couple of years for
Speaker 1: John Elway has not had many good drafts. His last
Speaker 1: Pro bowler he drafted was Von Miller. It just looks
Speaker 1: like it looks yeah, well there you go. It looks
Speaker 1: like a guy it's pointing fingers now. Uh and maybe
Speaker 1: from the outside, maybe not taking culp ability like he
Speaker 1: to to fire Mike McCoy. And let's there were rumbles
Speaker 1: that the offensive scheme was too complicated. That was the
Speaker 1: whole thing that he wasn't pairing it down for this
Speaker 1: Just like this idea that you put brock Osweiler in
Speaker 1: a quarterback who to me is one of the bottom
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in all football, maybe the worst, and you
Speaker 1: give him three weeks and then you fire because the
Speaker 1: offense didn't get better. It's like you don't even give
Speaker 1: this guy a chance. It's called scapegoating. It happens in
Speaker 1: many arenas. And I think this will be Paxton Lynch's
Speaker 1: first start uh this season. We don't know as we
Speaker 1: tape this, but I do think this is the week
Speaker 1: that they make a move. Um. All right, So there
Speaker 1: you go, by the way. That wraps up the four
Speaker 1: Committee for two thousand seventeen, and now just the final
Speaker 1: rundown of the damned before we move on to our
Speaker 1: final two games. The Cloud Run Bruins, Sont Francisco, Fart
Speaker 1: and Owners, n Ark Johnts, Indianapolis Colts, Tampa Bay book
Speaker 1: on Ours, Chicago Burrs, yastin Twikson's since not deep but
Speaker 1: brodcas GAMEBA Poker's Washington raskin Buffalo Bills, I mean two three.
Speaker 1: Some of the pronunciation choices were curious. I like, I
Speaker 1: always like to get to sixteen. Do you say the Redskins?
Speaker 1: I feel like, yes you did. You might have heard
Speaker 1: something else that would not blame you if you did.
Speaker 1: I like personally, I like when we can get to
Speaker 1: sixteen of thirty two and four calf the league. We
Speaker 1: got to fourteen this year. Um, but we'll see again.
Speaker 1: And if we get any of these teams wrong, if
Speaker 1: one of these teams ends up making a playoff, uh,
Speaker 1: making to the playoffs, we will donate to a charity
Speaker 1: from that I believe Colleen was going to be because
Speaker 1: we're incredible earning power. The Green Bay Packers are um
Speaker 1: a lost cause with Brett Hunley quarterback, and now they
Speaker 1: get a treat and a game that Greg fought so
Speaker 1: hard value and lee. He fought to have this game
Speaker 1: flexed away from us. But instead we get the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers. Yeah, who would have thought? Who would have
Speaker 1: seen this coming? A two touchdown underdog on Sunday night
Speaker 1: football traveling Hines Field to face the Steelers who just
Speaker 1: put up a forty burger on the Tytoons in their
Speaker 1: previous game, and then get a MIDI by and now
Speaker 1: get the Packers without Aaron Rodgers. Uh. Greg al Michaels,
Speaker 1: you know it took a shot at hour earlier that
Speaker 1: you kind of go to me into but they are
Speaker 1: just you brought them up without even saying it's just
Speaker 1: not gonna get any better for him. Collinsworth and Michael's
Speaker 1: and Tafoya and our girl Carrie Underwood, they're all getting
Speaker 1: banged again this week. Well said, I I love that
Speaker 1: the Steelers have so many home games down the stretch.
Speaker 1: They're very good home team. And I think that's one
Speaker 1: thing that was overlooked when you were getting so upset
Speaker 1: Marc Scessor that the Steelers aren't They're not the dream team.
Speaker 1: The Steelers aren't the dream team. They haven't been everything
Speaker 1: that we had hoped in and dreamed early in the season.
Speaker 1: But then you have five out of seven seven games
Speaker 1: to end the season at home. That was the most
Speaker 1: heavy road schedule in the league. They're not a great
Speaker 1: road team, you know, historically under Tomlin, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: why we haven't seen them be quite as good as
Speaker 1: we'd like to see. I don't put it past them
Speaker 1: having a stinker of a first half. That's just kind
Speaker 1: of what they do. But I am hoping not only
Speaker 1: has Ben Roethlisberger's fantasy owner, but just as a fan
Speaker 1: of football, to see a good game out of Roethlisburger,
Speaker 1: because he had his best thirty minutes of football I
Speaker 1: think of the season in the second half against Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I liked it. What I can get behind with Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: is not their offense, which is going to invariably be
Speaker 1: missing some major cog in the playoffs like they always
Speaker 1: do and and and produce a nineteen point game. But
Speaker 1: their defense. Their defense is right there with Baltimore's. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a lot of reason to
Speaker 1: believe that. For me, the reason they can get deeper
Speaker 1: into the playoffs just because the defense is no fluke.
Speaker 1: They got a ton of young players and they're doing
Speaker 1: a great job there. I know we should move on.
Speaker 1: The problem with the NFL late in this season is
Speaker 1: all the teams that lost their quarterbacks, like and I,
Speaker 1: and I realized that's doing the QB Index every week.
Speaker 1: All the teams that lost their quarterbacks, all of none
Speaker 1: of the backups have been surprisingly good. They've all been
Speaker 1: kind of exactly what, Yeah, But he's the he's the
Speaker 1: top guy of the of that entire group. All of
Speaker 1: the guys that have come in have been about as
Speaker 1: bad or worse than you expect. And so then you
Speaker 1: have these matchups where these teams when they play a
Speaker 1: good defense, it's like they got no shot. What happened
Speaker 1: to Frank Reich? What happened to Gary Cooper? Where's the
Speaker 1: real men? All? Right? Less people asking about Gary Cooper
Speaker 1: right now? But yes, finally Monday Night football, the Houston Texans,
Speaker 1: a team that was undone, although Shaw Watson was the
Speaker 1: backup technically in the season, started not counting that, but
Speaker 1: then he got hurt. The original starter Tom Savage came
Speaker 1: back and he's thanks, but at least he's coming off
Speaker 1: a good game um last week against the Cardinals. They
Speaker 1: travel to Baltimore, though, to face the Ravens team that
Speaker 1: is flying mark three shutouts of the season. Is this
Speaker 1: the best Ravens defense in the post Rayy Lewis Era? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think easily post ray Lewis easily. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's challenging. It's it's not two thousand, but it's
Speaker 1: getting close to that in some performances. Every time you
Speaker 1: turn around, you see someone new on this defense making
Speaker 1: a major play that game last week, Carl Davis, Michael Pierce,
Speaker 1: Willie Henry. If they have waited Terrell Suggs playing like
Speaker 1: he's twenty four years old still, which I thought in September.
Speaker 1: That's one thing. It's almost December and it's still the case.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith had a huge turnover last week. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're just able to take an offense completely out of
Speaker 1: the game. And I understand Tom Savage a little bit
Speaker 1: of an uptick last Sunday week, not this time. This
Speaker 1: is this is very similar the way I see the
Speaker 1: Steelers Packers game. The difference to me is the Ravens
Speaker 1: don't have an offense though, so I I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a game where I expect a lot of complaining
Speaker 1: on Twitter because it's nine to three late in the
Speaker 1: third quarter. I mean, the Ravens have shown nothing. I
Speaker 1: was hopeful they'd come out of the bi look a
Speaker 1: little better on offense. They did not. They look just
Speaker 1: as bad, if not worse against Green Bay on the whole.
Speaker 1: And uh, their defense is good. They've had moments though,
Speaker 1: where they kind of just give up big drives against
Speaker 1: good teams, like even Tennessee. You know, you had a
Speaker 1: chance to win that game. They couldn't close that out.
Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to put them as some great defense.
Speaker 1: They look pretty good A few years ago when they
Speaker 1: got into the playoffs. They were looking good for a
Speaker 1: while last year, like let's see it against a good opponent.
Speaker 1: They're lucky. They don't play any good opponents practically the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. That's why I like them as
Speaker 1: a six seed. Well, we have to like them because
Speaker 1: we've forked almost the Intent Conference. Well we left the
Speaker 1: little wiggle room now with the Raiders still alive, but
Speaker 1: the Chargers. We left the rave and the and the
Speaker 1: Chargers there. But the Ravens they get this week, they
Speaker 1: can get to six and five they take care of business,
Speaker 1: which I do think they will. Then they get another
Speaker 1: home game against the Detroit and then they get at
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh at Cleveland home to Colts Verse. Since I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna find the way to the final three games.
Speaker 1: Could you couldn't ask for us? Yeah? I mean you
Speaker 1: really have? You really have one tough game at Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and then one kind of toss up you know home
Speaker 1: for Detroit. That's a good schedule. Um, okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: That is the week twelve preview. Like we said earlier, Um,
Speaker 1: you next time you will hear from us as usual
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Speaker 1: we'll recap the three games we talked about at the
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Speaker 1: Enjoy the games, yes well, and if you live overseas
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Speaker 1: Got a triple header just on a random week day
Speaker 1: in the week. That's the way. But the timing you're
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Speaker 1: of dissidents that floated over to the New World and
Speaker 1: started to you know, you know, feel the roads over there,
Speaker 1: and what I was excited? Are they supposed to be
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Speaker 1: are signing off a quiet storm. Connie Fox, the old
Speaker 1: Boss c A and I'll laugh behind the glass till
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving night.