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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Seessler, Chris Westling and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What's up? Boys in Hey Chris? The flagship
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Speaker 1: and Shoulders. Um, I'll tell you what the A little
Speaker 1: bit of a bad mood, A little bit yeah, because
Speaker 1: I know it's you know, free food, and we're not
Speaker 1: supposed to complain. But the wild Boars wild are going
Speaker 1: to talk about the football developments. There are some downing
Speaker 1: downers that happened. I'm getting there, Greg, Let let the
Speaker 1: bit play out, Okay, wild boar ra goo cheesy polenta
Speaker 1: being served for dinner today sounds good? Really testing the
Speaker 1: limits of what we can complain about in terms of
Speaker 1: free food today. It's uh, it's become apparent to us
Speaker 1: over the past three or four weeks, if not longer,
Speaker 1: that what we thought was meals, we appreciate that they
Speaker 1: cost no money. I thought they were being delivered from
Speaker 1: local eateries are simply probably being made in the way
Speaker 1: the warehouse space behind our own in house cafeteria. That's
Speaker 1: that's the behind. That's that's some stupid there good Scoopidge there, Mark,
Speaker 1: I may not be right. I'm not saying it's triple
Speaker 1: source whispers now the bit you took it deep, which
Speaker 1: is a nice deep dive. But I'm also in a
Speaker 1: bad mood because it looks like we lost another superstar quarterback,
Speaker 1: this time Carson Wentz and West. This one hurts. He
Speaker 1: was the most fun player to watch this year. I thought,
Speaker 1: I if previously Deshaun Watson was the most fun player
Speaker 1: to watch, or Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck, They're all
Speaker 1: the fun players have been struck down, smited by the
Speaker 1: injury gods. We should know as we tape this. Our
Speaker 1: guy in rapports said, the Eagles fear it's a season
Speaker 1: ending injury. ESPN had a very similar report. I feel
Speaker 1: like one in every twenty five of these fears where
Speaker 1: it's not confirmed end up being wrong. In fifty happened,
Speaker 1: It's happened. And Ryan Tannehill last December, right, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a good example. Uh of course he didn't play again.
Speaker 1: Like how the football gods spared Ryan Tannehill least temporary.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just hope we've learned. I'm hopeful
Speaker 1: they're the worst. And Mark, we we talked about this,
Speaker 1: you know, I was said fans of our teams, screw
Speaker 1: the football gods, and what can you do to me?
Speaker 1: You can't do anything more? So whatever right? I cursed
Speaker 1: at them? And what are you gonna do? You think
Speaker 1: make life even even uglier for our teams. But I
Speaker 1: will say one thing about It's not just that Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz to me was the most fun player to watch
Speaker 1: at this point in the season. The Eagles were the
Speaker 1: team I enjoyed watching the most. And when you replace
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz with Nick Foles, the fun quotient dives into
Speaker 1: the deep, into the earth. Rather have Nick Shook behind center.
Speaker 1: To be quite honest, anyway, that would an we got
Speaker 1: We got a lot of games to get to and
Speaker 1: let's start. There's no better place than to start then
Speaker 1: at the Los Angeles Calcium, where Carson Wentz most likely
Speaker 1: played his final game of two thousand seventeen. Damn you
Speaker 1: football time runs out. Pattises to Jeffrey crom a touchdown,
Speaker 1: want to catch right off the top of the grass,
Speaker 1: and a new franchise record for Philadelphia's Carson Wentz thirty
Speaker 1: third touchdown of the season. Joe Buck with a call
Speaker 1: on Fox There, Yes, was that the final pass of
Speaker 1: Carson wentz Is magnificent sophomore season. The Eagles star through
Speaker 1: for four touchdowns before exiting with a potentially serious knee injury.
Speaker 1: The Eagles showed some gumption without their star, forcing a
Speaker 1: big Jard Goff turnover that led to a go ahead
Speaker 1: field goal U They tacked down some late points with
Speaker 1: some special teams. Shenanigan's a forty three to thirty five
Speaker 1: win at the Coliseum. Mark here was the textbook definition
Speaker 1: of Oh boy, am I gonna pronounce this one right?
Speaker 1: A pyrrhic victory? Chris Wesleyan Uh, you know, Chris did
Speaker 1: not come up with this term, but you there, you go.
Speaker 1: So it's someone who direct Did I get it? Yeah? Plutark,
Speaker 1: a couple of generations older than than West. Is that
Speaker 1: the guy from Animal House? I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 1: I believiously an important historical victory in ancient war times
Speaker 1: ahead and not in America. But what a killer loss
Speaker 1: for the Rams and and but yet you look at
Speaker 1: this Eagle season and they're eleven in two. In any
Speaker 1: other scenario where whence it survived this game? You have
Speaker 1: essentially one year division and you've basically told the rest
Speaker 1: of the NFC, it's US and it's everyone else, and
Speaker 1: now we're looking at a team that could capture the
Speaker 1: first round by here because they're they're slate down the
Speaker 1: stretch is manageable, to say the least, and yet the
Speaker 1: air is completely out of the balloon. It's really strange
Speaker 1: because this result in this game mattered so much to
Speaker 1: this season. Like that the Eagles winning the game after
Speaker 1: Foals came in almost feels like an afterthought. But it
Speaker 1: was a big achievement, not just for Foals, who hit
Speaker 1: a third down or two, but ultimately it was the
Speaker 1: running game in the defense Chris Long with a massive play.
Speaker 1: This game really could have changed the NFC picture if
Speaker 1: the Rams could have figured out a way to do it. Now,
Speaker 1: the Eagles get a chance, like you said, Mark, to
Speaker 1: to win some games. And I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a situation where they're like the Raiders last year and
Speaker 1: their season is over. They've got a very good defense,
Speaker 1: one of the best in the league. They've got a
Speaker 1: very good running game, and I think Nick Foles could
Speaker 1: be one of the better backups in the league. That's
Speaker 1: a low bar, but he could be in that system.
Speaker 1: So I don't think they're necessarily cupcakes. It's devastating, they're
Speaker 1: not fun, But I I don't think they're necessarily out
Speaker 1: of the NFC picture, especially because I expect them to
Speaker 1: be the one seed now, So you'd say they are
Speaker 1: much closer to the Case Keenum Vikings than If the
Speaker 1: Vikings can be a super Bowl contender with Case Keenum,
Speaker 1: why can't the Eagles with home field be a contender
Speaker 1: at least to to play a team like the Saints
Speaker 1: or the Vikings. Whoever? It is pretty tight. That's looking
Speaker 1: far ahead, I know. And that's why if you're an
Speaker 1: Eagles fan, and I commend you if you're even listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast right now, this would be one of
Speaker 1: those shows where I would just I would need to
Speaker 1: go underground as a sports fan when something this bad happens,
Speaker 1: you're now your hope goes from it goes through. And
Speaker 1: Colleen's a big Eagles fan and all season she kind
Speaker 1: of had a take about this team that lined up
Speaker 1: probably with a lot of Eagles fans, which was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to process this. I'm just
Speaker 1: really nervous something bad is gonna happen because things are
Speaker 1: going too well and That's exactly what's happened. So now
Speaker 1: they're in a position if you're an Eagles fan, where
Speaker 1: you need Nick Foles to pull a case Keenum too
Speaker 1: for them really to be a Super Bowl contender still,
Speaker 1: and that is a think to pull off. Maybe they
Speaker 1: won't be horrible like what happened with the Raiders, but
Speaker 1: still you're asking a lot. Now, maybe they won't be
Speaker 1: horrible like the Packers were. I will say one thing
Speaker 1: about Eagles fans. I was out on Friday or day
Speaker 1: off and three different places in l A around town
Speaker 1: swarming with Eagles fans. People kill the Eagles fans historically
Speaker 1: saying the throwing batteries and they want to bite Santa's
Speaker 1: nose off. All they did they travel, well, they travel
Speaker 1: with bite Santa's nose off Santa Mark, Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's what we know. We don't know what they did.
Speaker 1: How many of you have seen Santa on person? We
Speaker 1: don't know what the state of his noses. But I
Speaker 1: will say this, all those Eagles fans flying home tonight,
Speaker 1: can you imagine where they are compared they were they
Speaker 1: were four hours ago. They're linebacker Nigel Bradham said, after
Speaker 1: the game that Carson Wentz is our everything. He's like,
Speaker 1: I guess that makes him the sun god, right, ra
Speaker 1: I mean that's or everything is pretty high preg And
Speaker 1: the sad thing is like this game I think showed
Speaker 1: I know the score was close by it really felt
Speaker 1: like the Eagles were the better team in this game.
Speaker 1: They end up with four h yeards just three hundred
Speaker 1: for the Rams. I felt like the Rams had a
Speaker 1: special teams touchdown which helped keep a minute and ultimately
Speaker 1: like the Eagles are a better team and yet and
Speaker 1: I don't know, like what is it? What does it matter?
Speaker 1: Hopefully when when we wake up tomorrow, this pod will
Speaker 1: be at a date because like, oh, actually it's not
Speaker 1: a terror, but you have to operate under the reports
Speaker 1: that are very ominous that this is the end of
Speaker 1: the road from wins and it's just depressing for the
Speaker 1: For the Rams, they had some really key This was
Speaker 1: a big setback for them. Not only could they gotten
Speaker 1: into the number one seed for the end. What are
Speaker 1: you doing some calculations right now? Are you breaking up
Speaker 1: when that goes all calculator? I really wasn't, Oh wow,
Speaker 1: we're dialing up the aff calculator now online. Alright, Greg,
Speaker 1: running on a seven modem. I was gonna go online
Speaker 1: with the machine. I was gonna go a different route,
Speaker 1: mentioning the two uh cornerback that does including one for
Speaker 1: the year. But now, since you the tabulators out Seahawks
Speaker 1: Rams next week NFC West, of course, on the line
Speaker 1: in Seattle, Rams win that game, you still got a
Speaker 1: pretty good chance at a bye. That's it. Cavon Webster
Speaker 1: out for the deep math from Greg. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how any of us could have come upon Webster out
Speaker 1: for the year. Jermaine Johnson concussion. Well probably that wasn't
Speaker 1: really Greg's fault. That wasn't let us know. When you
Speaker 1: actually have some tabulations, Yeah, they're running on that modem,
Speaker 1: information will becoming. Here's the reality in the NFC. Now
Speaker 1: there's there's a million scenarios. All these teams are still
Speaker 1: playing each other. Oh good, Greg, playoff calculator now online.
Speaker 1: Let's move on, starting Newton to the forty, Newton to
Speaker 1: the Newton to yard line. Whoa, oh my good news.
Speaker 1: Hold a come up with a play like that? Oh
Speaker 1: Mick Mixon and his friend of w BT with the
Speaker 1: call there Cam Newton's sixty two yard jaunt, stuck a
Speaker 1: fork and a spirited Vikings comeback as the Panthers escaped
Speaker 1: with a huge thirty in Charlotte, snapping Minnesota's eight game
Speaker 1: winning streak. West you don't always know what version of
Speaker 1: the Panthers you're gonna get. Today we got the version
Speaker 1: that could beat anybody in the NFC. It was basically
Speaker 1: three big plays. Jonathan Stewart went untouched sixty yards on
Speaker 1: third and one UH to kick off the scoring. I
Speaker 1: believe on the Panthers first drive, that was a big play.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton did his typical escape artist routine in the
Speaker 1: pocket to open up the second half and hit Devin
Speaker 1: Funches for a touchdown. And then that's sixty two yard
Speaker 1: UH jaunt that you described where he put a hell
Speaker 1: of a juke move on Andrew Sendejo. The end of
Speaker 1: those were the three big plays and and then the Vikings.
Speaker 1: I don't know self destruct is the word is the
Speaker 1: right word, but they made a lot of key mistakes,
Speaker 1: including big drops by Kyle Rudolph, Stephan Diggs and Adam Feeling.
Speaker 1: You don't expect that the way this season has gone
Speaker 1: so far. I thought Keenham played much better than his
Speaker 1: stat line would show. Uh. He brought them back a
Speaker 1: couple of times in the fourth quarter and was undone
Speaker 1: by mistakes in terms by an offensive line that was
Speaker 1: just ravaged by injuries. We just talked about two other
Speaker 1: NFC powers coming out of it. Does it raise or
Speaker 1: lower and you know in a considerable way your faith
Speaker 1: in either team. I would say that I think a
Speaker 1: little bit differently about the Vikings because if you look
Speaker 1: hard enough, you see two chinks in their armor. They
Speaker 1: by the end of the game, they're playing without three
Speaker 1: fifths of their offensive line. Mike Remer's the right tackle
Speaker 1: has been out for a while. Their starting center Pat
Speaker 1: elf Line did not play, and then left tackle Riley
Speaker 1: Rife suffered an ankle injury during the game, and that's huge.
Speaker 1: Keenan was sacked six times today. His first nine starts
Speaker 1: of the season, he had only been sacked five times total,
Speaker 1: so this was a totally different operation they're running. And
Speaker 1: then their kicker Kai for Bath appears to have the yips.
Speaker 1: He's missed five kicks in the last four weeks. The Vikings,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Panthers, when they can run the ball,
Speaker 1: are a very dangerous team. I mean, the Vikings today
Speaker 1: couldn't run it at all. McKinnon leads them with forty
Speaker 1: six arts and maybe it was just a big place,
Speaker 1: but that's like kind of all they need with their
Speaker 1: defensive line in Carolina. I give the Vikings a pass, though.
Speaker 1: We went into week eleven looking at the Vikings saying, Wow,
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn a lot about the Vikings. Over the
Speaker 1: next four weeks, they have the Rams and then three
Speaker 1: road games against NFC playoff contenders, the Lions, Atlanta. Carolina,
Speaker 1: you went three and one and I think ultimately, you
Speaker 1: know you you looked very good doing it. The rest
Speaker 1: of their schedule is not tough. They have a chance
Speaker 1: to get the one seed. Now if the Eagles were
Speaker 1: to slip up with with Foals and they're in good
Speaker 1: position to get to buy and if you're Carolina, you're
Speaker 1: asking to speaking of the football odds, you go into
Speaker 1: green Bay or you have green Bay next week, and
Speaker 1: you're getting green Bay with Aaron Rodgers versus what would
Speaker 1: have been, you know, a sort of dead and green
Speaker 1: Bay team that it could have been easily flattened. Here
Speaker 1: nice landing spot. Next week they get to go come
Speaker 1: home and face Cincinnati, who looks terrible this week, and
Speaker 1: it might be a dead team walking at this point.
Speaker 1: So you assume if they could get the right the
Speaker 1: ship a little bit, get to eleven and three, and
Speaker 1: then you got the Bears in the finale, they're still
Speaker 1: in really good shape. That's the Vikings. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: the I mean you the Panthers have a chance now
Speaker 1: to get a buy as well. I mean they are
Speaker 1: tied for the division lead in the NFC South, even
Speaker 1: though it's been ugly at times, they are right there
Speaker 1: in it. And I like seeing in this game Mario
Speaker 1: Addison Julius Peppers both seem to have really good games.
Speaker 1: Addison's played well the last couple of weeks like that
Speaker 1: needs to be their identity. And Newton didn't have a
Speaker 1: big passing game today, but that run is just the
Speaker 1: reminder that he is completely unique in terms of what
Speaker 1: he can do with the game online. So even even
Speaker 1: when he's not sharp throwing the ball, or they they're
Speaker 1: not having a great day, he's always capable of stuff
Speaker 1: like that. That was a big time run. With the
Speaker 1: Vikings looking like they were poised to maybe steal that
Speaker 1: game in Newton just said nope, well, that's why I
Speaker 1: say that, I'm my opinion on the Panthers wasn't really changed.
Speaker 1: Addison and Peppers played great. Sure it was against the
Speaker 1: decimated offensive line too. And then on on offense. You know,
Speaker 1: sixty of Jonathan Stewarts are heard in three yards came
Speaker 1: on one play. Sixty two of Cam Newton's seventy rushing
Speaker 1: yards came on one planning only had a hearn't thirty
Speaker 1: seven passing. It was just the big plays and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can count on that every week.
Speaker 1: What a year for the Dirty South. Finally, my obsession
Speaker 1: with the NFC South is coming home half a decade.
Speaker 1: What a year for two nine and four teams. You
Speaker 1: got the Falcons at eight and five. It's fun. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Check in on another uh NFC playoff hopeful
Speaker 1: and touch touch all seventy five yards, Chris Meyers with
Speaker 1: box Blake Bortles on target all day, throwing for two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars defense made big plays when it counted
Speaker 1: to hold off the Seattle Seahawks thirty four at the
Speaker 1: Chlorine Pit. Greg Once again, the Jaguars author a performance
Speaker 1: that makes you think, maybe, just maybe this is a
Speaker 1: formula formula they could replicate for a few weeks in January.
Speaker 1: This was the biggest win in the Jaguars organization in
Speaker 1: a decade. I don't even think it's not a hot take,
Speaker 1: There's no debate. It was also the win this year
Speaker 1: that started to I think maybe we'll convince people nationally
Speaker 1: like that this is a legitimate dangerous team in the
Speaker 1: n f A f C because Bordles is absolutely playing better.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear from Seahawks fans that
Speaker 1: mentioned that the Jaguars got some breaks in this game.
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner went out with a hamstring injury in the
Speaker 1: second half. kJ Wright went out with an injury late
Speaker 1: in the game. That was all important, but the Jaguars
Speaker 1: were winning this game in a balanced a where the
Speaker 1: defense kind of started to collapse in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: when Russell Wilson started doing his thing too play drive
Speaker 1: two drives that took only one or two plays, and
Speaker 1: the Jaguars offense did their job. They had a five
Speaker 1: minute drive, They picked up first downs when they needed to.
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette closed out the game with a third and
Speaker 1: eleven run. Essentially, and it's a balanced team. They're good
Speaker 1: enough on offense to beat pretty good teams. Uh I was.
Speaker 1: I watched the end of this game, and it's not
Speaker 1: the first time I've seen Pete carroll Seahawks totally lose
Speaker 1: their composures. Michael Bennett might, I don't know, he might
Speaker 1: be suspended from that. I think he might. Ridiculous takedown
Speaker 1: of Brandon Linder, total stunner that Michael Bennett didn't handle
Speaker 1: losing well. This has happened a few too many times
Speaker 1: with Pete Carroll's teams. Quentin Jefferson tried to go into
Speaker 1: the stands. It was I mean, it was embarrassing for
Speaker 1: the seat that got a little that got a little
Speaker 1: scary for a second because you got the malice in
Speaker 1: the palace flashbacks there. We do not want the three
Speaker 1: hundred pound lineman jumping into the audience to to beat
Speaker 1: up on a portly fan. Yeah, we didn't want that.
Speaker 1: For watching that together, and you're you're watching what could
Speaker 1: be potentially ten to fifteen NFL dot Com post. This
Speaker 1: way been another step. If you you might have a few,
Speaker 1: you might still have three or four from this game.
Speaker 1: I think you're nine and four year Jacksonville. You have
Speaker 1: the Texans next week, and then you go play the
Speaker 1: forty Niners. You could easily be eleven and four heading
Speaker 1: into that final week showdown with the Tech with the Titans,
Speaker 1: and the Titans don't get their act together, maybe you've
Speaker 1: won the division. But right I think maybe they have,
Speaker 1: and there they could even theoretically get in the mix
Speaker 1: for a bibe more likely as well. I think today
Speaker 1: was huge for the ANC South and you see their confidence.
Speaker 1: I mean Jalen Ramsey, who West has talked up as
Speaker 1: his defensive player of the Year, had a good game.
Speaker 1: A J. Booyer was even better. I mean, the two
Speaker 1: of them together just play with such an incredible confidence.
Speaker 1: Boyer had uh two interceptions. They picked off Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: three times overall. At one point, Russell Wilson was nine
Speaker 1: for seventeen for thirty six yards in two interceptions. That
Speaker 1: that is midway through the third quarter. And then he
Speaker 1: got it going kind of like he always does, but
Speaker 1: it was it was too little to Seattle's credit, or
Speaker 1: excuse me, to Jacksonville's credit. Russell Wilson started to look
Speaker 1: like he was going to do one of those things
Speaker 1: and steal another game and Jacksonville stepped up and got
Speaker 1: to stop then ran the clock out. Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: the ball bat with four or five minutes to go,
Speaker 1: only down six, which it looked like, Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: not going to be in a position to do that.
Speaker 1: There were some blown coverages by the Jaguars. Blake board,
Speaker 1: I mean, this team is feeling themselves. After the game,
Speaker 1: he said, we're just like teams aren't used to this
Speaker 1: coming down here. We beat the crap out of them.
Speaker 1: Said yeah, we beat the crap out of them for
Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Blake portals very confident. Don't get too confident,
Speaker 1: don't play I like it. Two good games, two good
Speaker 1: games in a row, no doubt, be confident. That's important
Speaker 1: in sports two. You know, on a big third down
Speaker 1: in thirteen they decided to run the ball with four
Speaker 1: net instead of portals. And then on a third and
Speaker 1: leven they ran it to four net again. Trust we
Speaker 1: brought up the same play with the guiling call it
Speaker 1: yet it shows you where the condems and then in
Speaker 1: the end it worked like in the next drive Bordos.
Speaker 1: It should be said, though, is playing better. I mean
Speaker 1: he has made good decisions and for the most part,
Speaker 1: made pretty good throws last few weeks. Special things happening
Speaker 1: down in the chlorine pit. Let's move on and check
Speaker 1: in with another NFC hopeful. Third down and six from
Speaker 1: the twenty five of Cleveland. Williams loan back, quick toss Adams.
Speaker 1: What Simon Spensfils got the first time got to the
Speaker 1: end zone from the touchdown, PA, Packers have one in
Speaker 1: overtime again Adams. I'll walk off five yard touchdown reception
Speaker 1: Brett Hunley to Davante Adams, and overtime did it for
Speaker 1: the Packers, who rallied back from two touchdowns down in
Speaker 1: the final quarter uh to twenty one win in overtime
Speaker 1: over the Browns, who falls to oh and thirteen in
Speaker 1: cruel fashion. That is too straight overtime victories for the Packers,
Speaker 1: and um Nick shook now Joe wins us Nick shook,
Speaker 1: of course, Ohio native wrote about this game on NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com, and um for much of this contest shook.
Speaker 1: It looked like the Packers were gonna blow a golden opportunity,
Speaker 1: but the Browns opened the door, and now it's Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers set to walk back into the NFC playoff race.
Speaker 1: Actually wrote a lot more and had to. I was
Speaker 1: told to go back and kind of down a little bit,
Speaker 1: change the tone a little bit, uh from ranting shadowy
Speaker 1: league figures didn't of course. Now, I mean, what a
Speaker 1: game for the Packers, who for three quarters looked like
Speaker 1: they didn't care if they were, you know, wanted to
Speaker 1: be in the playoff picture at all of it, didn't
Speaker 1: care that a Rodgers you know, was set set to
Speaker 1: come back next week, and looked like they were sleepwalking
Speaker 1: through the thing. And then somebody woke up up and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose to the winless team here. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be the guys, You're gonna be the Chargers. You better
Speaker 1: fix that, and luckily for them they did. Yeah, and West,
Speaker 1: I guess we should give it up to Brent hun
Speaker 1: Lew's up and down, but at the end of the
Speaker 1: day he gets the ball back to Aaron Rodgers barring
Speaker 1: a setback seven and six, and there's still alive. It
Speaker 1: looked like it was gonna be a lot worse, and
Speaker 1: with a few good performances, including the end of this game,
Speaker 1: he kind of kept his team in and that's what
Speaker 1: they wanted him to do. Would you mind if I
Speaker 1: gave it up for Davante Adams. Go ahead, do it.
Speaker 1: I feel like Davante Adams Gregg's mentioned this before. He
Speaker 1: has earned himself a lot of money and the Packers
Speaker 1: are gonna have some decisions to make because they've already
Speaker 1: paid Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb, two receivers who aren't
Speaker 1: as good as Davante Adam. Right, I mean, the difference
Speaker 1: between Adams and Nelson has showed up even more with
Speaker 1: Brett Hunley because Adam can can make plays on his own.
Speaker 1: He is a huge reason why they've won any of
Speaker 1: the three games that they have with with with Brett
Speaker 1: Hunley of wide receivers in the NFL. Maybe more on
Speaker 1: that game ending play gets spun down after a three
Speaker 1: or four yard game. Really, it was always looked like
Speaker 1: a player where they were just trying to get closer
Speaker 1: for a field goal. But when you have a player
Speaker 1: specials Adams, he turns it into the touchdown. He goes
Speaker 1: right up the tunnel. Great tunnel move. You know, we've
Speaker 1: we've seen players go up the tunnel after a big
Speaker 1: play and sometimes it's not so organic. This time the
Speaker 1: tunnel was right there. Davanta Adams runs up the tunnel
Speaker 1: and it's over time too, and it's over time. The
Speaker 1: game is over, and it's like, let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: And I wrote about this on NFL dot com organic
Speaker 1: in the sense there's the tunnel's games over, it's time
Speaker 1: to go home, symbolic and hey, guys, let's get the
Speaker 1: hell out of Cleveland. Let's get back on the plane
Speaker 1: because Aaron Rodgers is gonna play with this now. If
Speaker 1: you've got to be excited, if you're on the Packers,
Speaker 1: they must be flying on that plane because they saved
Speaker 1: their season when it all seemed lost in a really
Speaker 1: embarrassing way. And if you're Aaron Rodgers, the playoffs begin
Speaker 1: right away because you have the Panthers and then you
Speaker 1: have the Vikings. Still has to get medically cleared, which
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport, the NFL media insider, said, I think I
Speaker 1: could just call him Ian at this point. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a bit. I guess it's I don't know, uh.
Speaker 1: They NFL Networks was gonna say, it's NFL Network, that's right. They.
Speaker 1: He said Rogers looked great at practice, but that the
Speaker 1: doctor's test of how strong the bone is really has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that, Well, wouldn't we don't you
Speaker 1: feel like we would have heard something somewhere that there's
Speaker 1: some measured doubt or concerned that he might. I mean,
Speaker 1: all we're hearing his glowing reports. If suddenly he weren't cleared,
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be you gotta be kidding me
Speaker 1: with that concept. He's really raised the stakes on his
Speaker 1: relax and run the table bit. Those in those scenarios
Speaker 1: like all they had to do was controlled the destiny.
Speaker 1: Now they need some help for him to come in,
Speaker 1: and you know, the Seahawks, I think help. I think
Speaker 1: it felt like the end of something. It's funny how
Speaker 1: much things can change in a week. And maybe this
Speaker 1: is an overreaction too, but the Seahawks losing Bobby Wagner
Speaker 1: and kJ Wright, we'll see how serious those are, and
Speaker 1: losing this game, they feel like they're gonna be I
Speaker 1: feel like they're gonna fall out of it. And so
Speaker 1: that's one team you still gotta pass. The Falcons most
Speaker 1: likely next week, right, But I don't think they will.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I'm kind of with Greg on
Speaker 1: this because I went into last week's Sunday night game
Speaker 1: expecting that game to be the Seahawks fall off where
Speaker 1: they would just get destroyed by the Eagles, and obviously
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. But it depends if Wagner comes back.
Speaker 1: They're playing in Seattle. They are now I'm not not,
Speaker 1: I'm not. But if Wagner, you know we talked about
Speaker 1: Wentz could have been the m v P. Bobby Wagner
Speaker 1: could have been the defensive player of the year, and
Speaker 1: he that looked like an injury that might keep him
Speaker 1: out for a long time. That is a big time injury.
Speaker 1: And now you've got the Packers coming in and you
Speaker 1: do feel like, like, what would what did you rant about?
Speaker 1: By the way, I want to know, let me let
Speaker 1: me set this up so you now we got Shook
Speaker 1: and Cessil together. The rent was about the Browns letting
Speaker 1: a golden opportunity to get on the board slip away,
Speaker 1: and now there's only three chances left to avoid infamy
Speaker 1: there it is waiting for that. I actually had to
Speaker 1: go through a multi stage process today with this one.
Speaker 1: Usually like the Browns was the game and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they're a young team, they're not good. You
Speaker 1: know this and that. But Mark Stanby you're on deck.
Speaker 1: This game gave me more hope in this season then
Speaker 1: I've had since they won their one win last season
Speaker 1: and then they ripped it all away. There's a stat
Speaker 1: that I I quote tweeted somebody on the day they
Speaker 1: had something like twenty two last play walk off losses
Speaker 1: since N four and Hugh Jackson's time. And you wonder
Speaker 1: why when they're up by two touchdowns and people are
Speaker 1: coming to the news room and sitting down next to me,
Speaker 1: and me and Mark are you know, looking at each
Speaker 1: other across the news room thinking oh, this might be it,
Speaker 1: and they're saying, Browns are gonna do it, The Browns
Speaker 1: are gonna do what they're gonna win. I say, shut
Speaker 1: your mouth, your mouth, And it happened again today. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of us at one point
Speaker 1: where greatly we went and talked to each other like
Speaker 1: four times, two things have to happen. I think we
Speaker 1: it's so dark at this point that you can't come
Speaker 1: out of this with the Giants grabbing the number one
Speaker 1: pick and getting at that. You know, in April the
Speaker 1: consensus number one quarterback have to worry about that. Now.
Speaker 1: I think that this this took care of that. But
Speaker 1: now something attached to that is pretty dark because you
Speaker 1: the Ravens, the Bears in Chicago who just wiped out
Speaker 1: Cincinnati today, and then you go on the road to
Speaker 1: play Pittsburgh, Oh in sixteen is it's not just on
Speaker 1: the horizon. Potentially, it feels like it would be shocking
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen. And I wonder if that will
Speaker 1: be enough for Cleveland to go from number two back
Speaker 1: to number one on Dan's pain rankings. I wonder what
Speaker 1: more Cleveland would need to do to get that number
Speaker 1: one spot. Ago it's been a bit of a because
Speaker 1: the number one team is the Chargers, and they're the
Speaker 1: friskiest team in the a f C right now. Chargers,
Speaker 1: it was more a a statement on the people of
Speaker 1: San Diego. We were. But but it's funny because when
Speaker 1: that came out back then, we were in your crass. Oh,
Speaker 1: it absolutely has because I was. I was. I had
Speaker 1: ears on the entire conversation that made that happen, and
Speaker 1: I kept telling you guys, stop acting like Cleveland is
Speaker 1: this upstart team that's about to reel off nine victories
Speaker 1: before even September's hit. And you know, we're you're you're
Speaker 1: all in thirteen at this a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: though you're very optimistic about the future, and if you
Speaker 1: want to improve your team and improve your coaching staff,
Speaker 1: oh and sixteen, it would be infamy. And I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. And maybe this will happen at one
Speaker 1: in fifteen two, but you might get a bad coach
Speaker 1: out of there, because I'm not sure. Like this is
Speaker 1: another example of a team that should have won a game,
Speaker 1: that lost the game, and at some point doesn't that
Speaker 1: come down to coaching on some level. Pro Football Talk
Speaker 1: reporting tonight that a lot of people believe even though
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hasselm says Hugh Jackson's back that John Dorsey uh
Speaker 1: is going to try to convince him that to get
Speaker 1: his own coach, which is the earliest possible power struggle
Speaker 1: in NFL. His one when they cut away to Haslan,
Speaker 1: John Dorsey's sitting together like eight times, and Dorsey every
Speaker 1: time is talking NonStop. So I I think it's very possible.
Speaker 1: And I think that actually if has Lom, you know,
Speaker 1: wanted to show some faith in his new higher that
Speaker 1: maybe there's a reason you don't bring Hugh Jackson back.
Speaker 1: There's been too many games like this. One final point. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: could never change the pain rankings because I was told
Speaker 1: a shadowy league figure is not to write about the pain.
Speaker 1: That's that's it. Know what justice has served? They're all
Speaker 1: out serpent right now? They can they get nice weather? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They have an eighty degree Christmas? What do they care?
Speaker 1: San Diego? People from San Diego hate when people not
Speaker 1: from San Diego say that. It's like, you shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to worry about anything you can serve from. What if
Speaker 1: I don't serve what they have? All right, let's move
Speaker 1: on one more thing, the Eagles. You brought up Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz again. This report from Adam Schefter, Carson Wentz is
Speaker 1: a c L was loose when it was tested manually today,
Speaker 1: which is why the team fears its torn wents the
Speaker 1: schedule to undergo an m r I in Philly on Monday.
Speaker 1: That according to Adam Schefter of ESPN, so as we
Speaker 1: get the drips and drabs of the Carson One situation,
Speaker 1: will share it on this podcast. Moving on second and five,
Speaker 1: back to Prescott's left. This is a bletch and they
Speaker 1: throw a slant of desert. He caught it and broke
Speaker 1: Kula forty thirty twenty a block from Beasley and into
Speaker 1: the end zone. And there's your big pla rat sham,
Speaker 1: the sham god k r l D with the call.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott through three touchdown passes, including that fifty yard
Speaker 1: strike to Dez Bryant, as the Cowboys kept themselves in
Speaker 1: the NFC playoff picture with a thirty to ten win
Speaker 1: over the Giants, who need a lot more than Eli
Speaker 1: Manning to stay competitive in games against teams that need
Speaker 1: w's mark. Dak Prescott is playing like a star again.
Speaker 1: That and the nearing return of Zeke Elliott keeps Dallas
Speaker 1: in the hope of business. Took care of business today,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I mean this game you could feel,
Speaker 1: I think in MetLife Stadium that you know, when it
Speaker 1: opened and Eli Manning under center that this MetLife, which
Speaker 1: is a stadium which has been quiet for the Giants
Speaker 1: all year, understandably was raucous for a brief amount of time.
Speaker 1: The problem is is that Eli Manning, despite all the
Speaker 1: you know, the reputation and the fanfare at this point,
Speaker 1: is a guy that opened thirteen for fifteen, and all
Speaker 1: I could think of were the two awful and completions
Speaker 1: he threw, and as the game wore on and Dallas
Speaker 1: got hot and des Ryan shook off two early drops
Speaker 1: to streak for a fifty yard touchdown that put that tied,
Speaker 1: the game attend ted. Dallas just took off from there
Speaker 1: to The Giants never scored again. Their defense gives up
Speaker 1: big plays and it's eli Manning has not a surprise
Speaker 1: zero deep ball at this point. His receivers made a
Speaker 1: couple incredibly awful drops. They've got nothing else to rely
Speaker 1: on on that side of the ball, and the better
Speaker 1: team just utterly took over down the stretch. Giants scored
Speaker 1: thirteen points in two games against the Cowboys, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: who have given up more points per drive than any
Speaker 1: team in football going into last week. I mean, that
Speaker 1: says all you need to know about the two thousand
Speaker 1: and seventeen Giants. But the Cowboys found a way to
Speaker 1: win two ugly division games. They get the Raiders, who
Speaker 1: are not looking very good next week. Like it is
Speaker 1: a little more fun to have them and the Packers
Speaker 1: in this NFC race. But neither team got a ton
Speaker 1: of helped us, especially with Carson Wentz now probably exiting
Speaker 1: the picture Aaron Rodgers and the Cowboys are always fun
Speaker 1: to have around. What are those teams sneaking in? I
Speaker 1: would sign off on that. It's like, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: If nothing else. The week sixteen game when Zeke comes
Speaker 1: back against Seattle, which is on Christmas Eve, like that,
Speaker 1: that feels like it could be a really big game
Speaker 1: as long as Dallas can take care of business next
Speaker 1: week against Oakland that's a home game too, which was
Speaker 1: set up really nicely for the Cowboys. I think it's
Speaker 1: hilarious how we look at different teams with very similar records,
Speaker 1: Like you look at all these teams are now seven
Speaker 1: and six after this week, and they're they're still in
Speaker 1: the hunt, and they're still in contention, and that some
Speaker 1: of them have belief And then and then you look
Speaker 1: at other ones with the same exact record and you have,
Speaker 1: you know, no confidence in them. I can't pick the Lions,
Speaker 1: who will talk about a little later, No, what's talking
Speaker 1: about them the way we're talking about because you're watched
Speaker 1: enough Lions games to know, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: think this team has it, and I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I don't think the Cowboys having the three quarters.
Speaker 1: This was a tie game, well all three. I'd say though,
Speaker 1: is that they've somehow over the last two weeks they
Speaker 1: figured out how to live without as Zekial Elliott. They
Speaker 1: had their best rushing performance of the season last week,
Speaker 1: and today I thought Dak Prescott played one of the
Speaker 1: best games he's played all year, career high in yardage,
Speaker 1: and it didn't look that's no miss that. You know,
Speaker 1: that box score literally holds up. That's big Dell stays alive.
Speaker 1: Let's check in. Was that a God Sham God reference?
Speaker 1: I think it might have been. I've been calling him
Speaker 1: to sham God for a couple of years now. It
Speaker 1: must be God Sham God. Former Providence point guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has to be sham God. Great Elite eight run
Speaker 1: by God Sham God back in the day. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: where it's from. Alright, cool, I'm glad we figured that out.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Lions, Prager's ready from there's the Snap
Speaker 1: five Mule box spot by Martin Chick five Pragers. It is.
Speaker 1: He nailed it. He sure did. Dan Miller w j R.
Speaker 1: With the call, Mattie Stafford through for three eight one
Speaker 1: with that bum hand matt Prator hit the forty six
Speaker 1: yard field goal, uh in the final seconds, and the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions they stay in the race over the lowly
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Greg, this is what the Lions do.
Speaker 1: They hang around, But for how much longer? Who do
Speaker 1: they play next week? I think that's I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now answer to the question, do
Speaker 1: you want to do some tabulation? Essentially, look, they looked
Speaker 1: like the same team that we've seen all season, which
Speaker 1: is the home to Bears at since home to Packers.
Speaker 1: Let's tabulate, baby, that's manageable. Just looking for excuse playoff
Speaker 1: calculator now online now one. Weirdly, the calculator now says
Speaker 1: they've they've won the Super Bowls. The you're gonna They're
Speaker 1: gonna do it this This performance was similar to what
Speaker 1: they've done all year with Matthew Stafford made a lot
Speaker 1: of great plays. Uh. The their defense kind of collapsed
Speaker 1: at some big spots and allowed a big comeback. There
Speaker 1: were eight turnovers in this game. I felt like every
Speaker 1: time I looked up Jameis Winston or Stafford were turning
Speaker 1: the ball over. Winston had three, Stafford had too. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the game when they needed to,
Speaker 1: they made the drive for the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: And Matt Praytor your boy Dan through. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: not huge on the earring and his general demeanor at
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl four years ago, but he is an
Speaker 1: excellent place kicker. Well, I got I gotta give him that.
Speaker 1: How excited should we get about a Lions team that
Speaker 1: had a mirror duel as a healthy scratch today? Really
Speaker 1: he was healthy. He's been hurt lately. I read really
Speaker 1: that they were that they thought it was more for performance.
Speaker 1: Now I'll have to look into that, but eight, come
Speaker 1: on with this. They certainly didn't miss him. I thought
Speaker 1: last week when when the fifty three yards rushing come on?
Speaker 1: Come on? Yeah, I'm sorry, they're very fast. He is.
Speaker 1: He is a healthy scratch. He was out with an
Speaker 1: injury last week and they just kept him on the sideline.
Speaker 1: About that, it is called me doing my homework. I
Speaker 1: thought he was supposed to be like gl Sayers, Todd
Speaker 1: boll said, or Barry Sanders. I guess they're happy to
Speaker 1: have two point nine yards rushing in a critical game
Speaker 1: against an NFC opponent. There there. Uh, Well, I think
Speaker 1: the o ridic has been a better player for them.
Speaker 1: Certainly this year there win was typical too because your
Speaker 1: boy West Glover Quinn made an incredible play for a
Speaker 1: forced fumbo was a key to their victory, and Darius
Speaker 1: Slay made a great interception. They do have individual players.
Speaker 1: Eric Ebron had one of the better games of his career.
Speaker 1: Like they have individual players that you can get excited about.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't add up to enough. It adds up
Speaker 1: to an eight and eight team. Yeah, schedule makers don't
Speaker 1: do many favors making him play the Packers in the
Speaker 1: last game of the season every year. Yes, the old policy.
Speaker 1: Let's play the divisional games like you gotta do it,
Speaker 1: gotta do it. Um, all right, there you go, Nick Shook,
Speaker 1: you are now luckily we we had a little miscommunication.
Speaker 1: Shook was getting into the car to leave right when
Speaker 1: I hit him up on our I am client that
Speaker 1: shall not be named. But now you can get back
Speaker 1: in the car, Shook, and you're gonna you're gonna go
Speaker 1: get a pump up. Oh yeah, it's one says that
Speaker 1: no one has ever said. It is not just get
Speaker 1: a pup in That is normal Jim terminology that people
Speaker 1: are still saying that now though it sounds like like
Speaker 1: something that a meathead. We say it all the time. Mark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Nick and I are just like I'm an undercover
Speaker 1: meat head. I have one question for you, Dad, Yes, Nick,
Speaker 1: what kind of earring was Matt Prater wearing? It was
Speaker 1: a diamond stud in his left ear, I believe, which
Speaker 1: is I mean whatever, the ring wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 1: It was the earring in concert with the elitist attitude
Speaker 1: um taunting reporters from the little bullpen they had set
Speaker 1: up at media day. That's super Bowl by bears, Like Matt,
Speaker 1: first of all, come back to us, bro. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm talking about this again. I talked about that
Speaker 1: Prayer's behavior at the Super Bowl forty eight three times
Speaker 1: every season. Anyway, he's your outlighter, Yeah, he's my he's
Speaker 1: my lighter. Mark West at super Bowl forty eight had
Speaker 1: a run in with alt lighter at the at the
Speaker 1: New Jersey Meadow ends. That's a story for Do you
Speaker 1: feel like at any point there's a level of self
Speaker 1: like reflection here. You've you've gotten into with Matthew Prater,
Speaker 1: You've gotten into with Bennett, Michael Bennett. I mean the
Speaker 1: common denominator. Potentially here is a Dan Hansas individual versus
Speaker 1: just the irritated player. Just let's again look at the
Speaker 1: two individuals. You have a strong look at what Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett did today, Look what he did to the with
Speaker 1: cancer last season, and then look what he said about
Speaker 1: my jederal I can only hope to one day rome
Speaker 1: among notable public figures and try to shook. We'd love it.
Speaker 1: Ever tell you about the time I wore an earring
Speaker 1: to a job interview. What wait, I'm gonna guess what's
Speaker 1: his earring? You had the hoop. The earring I wore
Speaker 1: to the interview was the diamond stud But I actually
Speaker 1: I have one of those crucifix earrings that Barry Bonds
Speaker 1: hand on. This was like six I think I was
Speaker 1: a picture. Do you have any photographic evidence at this
Speaker 1: time of your life because we gotta put it on
Speaker 1: the Twitter. I don't know if I have any pictures
Speaker 1: Like in l A, you had a Barry Bonds crucifix earring.
Speaker 1: This is the most amazing revelation ever heard. This is
Speaker 1: breaking news. Were you interviewing at a charity? I was
Speaker 1: interviewing had a law firm like the most conservative law
Speaker 1: firm in Cincinnati. Well, you're a god fearing man. At
Speaker 1: he gave you the job. She gave me the job,
Speaker 1: and she said, let me give you a piece of advice.
Speaker 1: Never ever wear an earring to a job interview again.
Speaker 1: But I can go forty forty if I can just
Speaker 1: get the chance. All right, Nick Shook, get that pumping.
Speaker 1: You get a pump on, you drink your protein shake,
Speaker 1: you put on one of those belts, and uh, they
Speaker 1: put a bandanna on. If you shook, you gotta get
Speaker 1: on your weight lifting gloves once you lift. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta treat yourself right or your body will betray you.
Speaker 1: But Shooks bodies and not betraying him. And that's just
Speaker 1: a compliment. I took the work of the Workforce seminar
Speaker 1: about sexual harassment. Nick Shook is a healthy individual. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Complimentary, Hendrick Questers, that's all you. Please,
Speaker 1: please please, Let's move into feeling the temperature of the
Speaker 1: room correctly, get the right side. Run at the tim
Speaker 1: inside the just got ad writers all away into the
Speaker 1: end zone. Touchdown Chance O City studles in the sweet
Speaker 1: nectar of the end zone on thirteen yard right side
Speaker 1: run h Mitch halt Us of k c f X
Speaker 1: with the call the Chiefs are off the Schneide cream
Speaker 1: Hunt ran for a hundred sixteen yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, and the Chiefs shutdown Derek Carr in the
Speaker 1: Raiders um in win um Kansas City's losing streak over
Speaker 1: at four. They right the ship a little bit here
Speaker 1: as we head towards the final games of the season.
Speaker 1: Oakland meanwhile, pulled another uh no show in a game
Speaker 1: with big steaks. Greg, how will you remember Raiders as
Speaker 1: a team that didn't show up to their biggest games,
Speaker 1: that not only didn't win those games, but weren't competitive,
Speaker 1: that stepped on the field against the team in free
Speaker 1: fall in Kansas City and was so clearly out coached.
Speaker 1: And this is what I think we've been saying when
Speaker 1: we've had some faith that Andy Reid will figure out
Speaker 1: a way to write the ship. Ultimately, the mismatch of
Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Naggy their offensive coordinator against the Raiders
Speaker 1: defense and whatever they were doing defensively to slow down
Speaker 1: Oakland and the lack of you know, solutions that Oakland
Speaker 1: could come up with, I think was the difference. Because
Speaker 1: the players aren't any better on Kansas City than Oakland.
Speaker 1: And this was a very one sided game. The final
Speaker 1: score is really misleading. Was twenty six to nothing through
Speaker 1: three quarters, and it could have been thirty eight to
Speaker 1: nothing if not for two or three red zone drops
Speaker 1: and misplays by the Chiefs. Like it was just a
Speaker 1: total no show. And it was the type of game
Speaker 1: I think that could get coaches fired if the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks are like this, what an embarrassment. It's
Speaker 1: it shows you that even a team today, pick a
Speaker 1: team that we're super excited about, could be an epic
Speaker 1: disaster year from now. It's like the Raid As we
Speaker 1: came in thinking they haven't had major injuries that have
Speaker 1: set them back like some of these other teams. Derek
Speaker 1: Carr was an m v P level quarterback last year
Speaker 1: and the guys feels like he's fallen off a shelf.
Speaker 1: To me, I mean, what a letdown this season has been.
Speaker 1: I mean they entered the season, they're done a lot.
Speaker 1: I know they're only one game back. We did we
Speaker 1: forked him back in the day too, didn't we remember, Lindsay,
Speaker 1: let us know if we forked the Raiders? Okay, good, um, good?
Speaker 1: Job guys, but you know he Derek Carr suffered the
Speaker 1: ankle injury, the leg injury last season, got healthy, everyone
Speaker 1: excited about the team. They get Marshall Lynch is the
Speaker 1: final piece and then like in a game like this,
Speaker 1: as they say, the game script changes and Marshall Lynch
Speaker 1: only shows up in garbage time basically, and they're not
Speaker 1: even competitive. It's just been such a bummer of a
Speaker 1: season for Raiders and the people of Oakland who are
Speaker 1: losing this team. And this was supposed to be that
Speaker 1: that bittersweet Super Bowl run year. And that's been part
Speaker 1: of the reason why I blame the coaching. Like Marshawn
Speaker 1: Lynch was running great from the beginning of the game
Speaker 1: on and they just went away from him so early,
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr was clearly not playing well. It was
Speaker 1: one of yeah, I think his worst games, uh in
Speaker 1: the last few years. Certainly missed receivers that were open.
Speaker 1: Rich Gannon, former Raiders quarterback, really killing Car for not
Speaker 1: seeing guys that were open down the field. Like he
Speaker 1: just his mind was a little scrambled. Some some misthrows,
Speaker 1: some some picks and give the Chiefs here's what the
Speaker 1: car had to say after the game, it sucked, it
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough, and you put it all on me.
Speaker 1: Don't don't. Don't you blame one coach, one player saw
Speaker 1: my fault. Coaches off the hook, Greg, So you put
Speaker 1: that to bed. I'll put a little on the defense too,
Speaker 1: I mean secondary so so bad for that team. Guys
Speaker 1: are wide open for the Chiefs. And Chris Jones for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, had a monster game, really ended a bunch
Speaker 1: of drives and gives the Chiefs a chance here. As
Speaker 1: bad as this last six weeks have been, they can
Speaker 1: essentially win the division next week by beating the Chargers Saturday.
Speaker 1: A little Saturday football back, alright that I like that?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, And it's we are sometimes too quick to
Speaker 1: write off teams. All took the Chief's winning a game,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it seems like they're in
Speaker 1: the driver and I like the Charges to win that game.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're as good a team, but if
Speaker 1: they do win that game, that will be a season
Speaker 1: sweep over the Chargers. You don't think the Chiefs are
Speaker 1: is gonna Yeah. I don't think the Chiefs are as
Speaker 1: good as the Chargers, but if they could somehow win
Speaker 1: that game. They're in great shape. All right, let's check
Speaker 1: much better matchup than last year's Bryce Petty versus Matt
Speaker 1: Moore Saturday. Thank you. I'll never forget that matchup. I
Speaker 1: seriously don't even remember it happening. Uh, let's check in
Speaker 1: on the Chargers under center is Rivers fakes the hand
Speaker 1: off that Rivers going deep as a receiver, Tyrone Williams
Speaker 1: makes the catch twenty Tell the house Rivers to Tyrolle
Speaker 1: Williams seventy five yards knock on wood by the way, people,
Speaker 1: I I we didn't understand that the reference was tied
Speaker 1: to said song. But we've all heard that song. I've
Speaker 1: heard that song a thousand, the whole thing. Just give
Speaker 1: me a little more of the melody. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not a cat coming the shoulder shaking, eyra, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's a I mean it has I think we've
Speaker 1: heard that song probably twelve times. Is it like a
Speaker 1: seventies like pop? M hm, so well, And I've just
Speaker 1: been hearing in the streets of l A. Matt money
Speaker 1: Smith clearly, you know, is getting it going. And now
Speaker 1: people are just seeing it to each other outside of car.
Speaker 1: You know, that's yelling and influence. Mad Money Smith is
Speaker 1: gonna get an extra playoff game to announce as well.
Speaker 1: Think about that too, Like Money, that's carefully chosen, like
Speaker 1: he he wants to have basically a catchphrase that he's
Speaker 1: known for. He's going with knock on wood and I
Speaker 1: like it. I'm in are all sign he tapped into
Speaker 1: his musical background perfectly. All right, beautiful, let's put a
Speaker 1: knock on wood on our countdown. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've heard our best knock on wood yet, so
Speaker 1: let's keep our ears um attuned anyway. Phil Rivers passed
Speaker 1: or nineteen yards two touchdowns. The Chargers continued to thrive
Speaker 1: four straight wins, now a thirty to thirteen win over
Speaker 1: the Redskins Sizzler. The Chargers are the proverbial team nobody
Speaker 1: wants to play right now. They are and you know,
Speaker 1: instead of some sort of a letdown like you might
Speaker 1: expect from some of these teams that get hot for
Speaker 1: two weeks, then let go an utter rampage in the
Speaker 1: first half. Five straight scoring drives and they essentially three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four yards in the first half, which
Speaker 1: is the most of the charge we've had since the
Speaker 1: most by any team in the first half since two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, and it looked that way. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't just big plays. They had big plays, but they
Speaker 1: minced up Washington, a team that looks totally lost at
Speaker 1: sea over the last two weeks. Kirk Cousins meanwhile, had
Speaker 1: a hundred and twelve passing yards in the first If
Speaker 1: I think maybe this Redskins team can come back, how
Speaker 1: do they answer seven passing yards in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: They never got anything going. There was never were any
Speaker 1: threat of Washington getting into this game on any level.
Speaker 1: They didn't score at one point for something like thirty
Speaker 1: seven minutes, and l a at home in a stadium
Speaker 1: with a lot of Redskins fans in there, took care
Speaker 1: of business and they hammered this team. It was impressive
Speaker 1: to watch. This was an O and four team that
Speaker 1: has more opposing fans at their home games, essentially don't
Speaker 1: have a home field advantage. They've climbed out of oh
Speaker 1: and four to first place at seven six. It's really impressive.
Speaker 1: They just have it and we like we felt bad
Speaker 1: for that kicker, but a better kicker and they are
Speaker 1: right in the mix for the BI potentially. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been that type of turnaround. Redskins had nine first downs.
Speaker 1: You don't see that too often where a team is
Speaker 1: in single digits. I mean, they they almost tripled them
Speaker 1: in total yardage. It was eleven first downs to one
Speaker 1: at one point. I mean, the Redskins had no game
Speaker 1: plan to get back into this game, and there was
Speaker 1: an interview DJ Swaringer after the game repeatedly said that
Speaker 1: you knew this team was gonna come out flat, the
Speaker 1: Redskins because the way they looked in practice. They were
Speaker 1: blod practice all week. That's not a great look for
Speaker 1: Jake Ruden. And again you wonder if he is a
Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye on now as they've missed
Speaker 1: the playoffs two straight years and they're kind of stumbling
Speaker 1: down the stretch here. It could be a bloody Black
Speaker 1: Monday this year. I know they're always pretty bad. A
Speaker 1: couple of scenarios out of the way already, I think
Speaker 1: we maybe could get another one or two out of
Speaker 1: the way. Greg, you're the QB Index guru. Is there
Speaker 1: a hotter quarterback over the past month than Phil Rivers? No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's the opposite of what his
Speaker 1: last few years have been If you guys remember he's
Speaker 1: come out hot where people are talking m v P
Speaker 1: through the first half of the season for two or
Speaker 1: three straight years, and then he's had a really tough,
Speaker 1: you know, closing stretch. This year, he starts out slow,
Speaker 1: but no, I think he's playing as well as any
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league over last month. Let's now check in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris, there he goes. It's about time. Look
Speaker 1: at you flying. I love having West in the studio
Speaker 1: with us. Let's check in with another and another. A
Speaker 1: f C wild card hopeful McCoy in the backfield, takes
Speaker 1: the handoff, runs up the middle, breaks a tackle piece
Speaker 1: in southern ten, clups to the left eight and the
Speaker 1: end zone. Buffalo wins twenty one yard touchdown run by
Speaker 1: the Bills. They win in overtime thirteen and seven, and
Speaker 1: a whole host of Bills are diving all over the
Speaker 1: snow and chasing down the Shawn McCoy as the Bills
Speaker 1: pull it out in overtime. Incredible game. John Murphy w
Speaker 1: g R with the call Yes, Leshawn McCoy scored twenty
Speaker 1: one yards out with one thirty three to play in
Speaker 1: overtime and the Bills got out of Orchard Park in
Speaker 1: a blizzard, a thirteen to seven win over the Colts.
Speaker 1: Will forever remember this game, or at least I will
Speaker 1: as the Blizzard Bowl. Um. There are snow games and
Speaker 1: then there is what happened in Western New York today.
Speaker 1: It was and I watched this game closely for for
Speaker 1: this podcast, and the lake effects snow creates some of
Speaker 1: the most badass visuals you'll ever see in a football game.
Speaker 1: The guys that NFL films, assuming their cameras survived the weather.
Speaker 1: It was so cold and miserable that the telestrator didn't
Speaker 1: work in the CBS booth to give you an idea
Speaker 1: of everything that was going wrong. There was no way
Speaker 1: to tell where you were on the field. There was
Speaker 1: hardly any penalties because nobody knew really what was going on. Um.
Speaker 1: And yet um, the Bills almost let their seasons slip away.
Speaker 1: It would have been so busy and if it if
Speaker 1: it worked out that way, because they had a seven
Speaker 1: nothing lead late in the game. Uh, the Colts score
Speaker 1: with less than a minute to play to make it
Speaker 1: seven six. And then the Colts, and give them credit,
Speaker 1: they decided to go for two to win the game
Speaker 1: because Adam Vintieri earlier in the game had badly missed
Speaker 1: a thirty three yard field goal I believe, and they
Speaker 1: do a really nicely executed play action uh, successful two
Speaker 1: point conversion to Jack Doyle and eight seven lost for
Speaker 1: the Bills to end their season. Would have been so Buffalo,
Speaker 1: but it was called Uh. It was called back on
Speaker 1: a questionable offensive question, one of only four penalties in
Speaker 1: the game to your point, yes, and so that pushed
Speaker 1: it back ten yards. And then what is auta viditary
Speaker 1: doing the snow with games and seasons on the line.
Speaker 1: He makes field goals, He hooks went in the point
Speaker 1: after to force overtime. There's no there was there was
Speaker 1: no chance that thing was going through halfway there, and
Speaker 1: then it just hooked in like a slider, uh it
Speaker 1: to force overtime. And then after um both teams traded
Speaker 1: possessions in overtime, including a very highly curious fourth and
Speaker 1: one punt from their enemy forty yard line by Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott where it looked like that he was playing for
Speaker 1: the tie and he was gonna get killed in in
Speaker 1: Buffalo for that. They end up getting the ball back again,
Speaker 1: and then Shady McCoy um, who's done this before, dominated
Speaker 1: in the snow, made the big run. He went over
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty yards in this game, and um,
Speaker 1: it was a type of game where one player likened
Speaker 1: it to running in sand, deep sand, because the snow
Speaker 1: it was eight inches high if you can imagine eight inches,
Speaker 1: and it was coming down at such a rate. Just
Speaker 1: watching like the Safeties on a couple of plays that
Speaker 1: they that running back did get a little momentum. Watching
Speaker 1: the Safeties try to run after it was ridiculous. It
Speaker 1: was like a kid running through. They were like lifted
Speaker 1: their leg. The storm didn't start until an hour before kickoff,
Speaker 1: and then it never let up and there was some thunders, thunder, snow,
Speaker 1: lake effects. Snow man. No joke that the bill survives
Speaker 1: that vintary extra point, I don't. I can't think of
Speaker 1: too many moments in our newsroom that was that brought
Speaker 1: everyone to its feet. That was my favorite weirdly newsroom
Speaker 1: moment of the year because when he kicked it and
Speaker 1: it looked like he pushed it right, the higher room
Speaker 1: groaned and I happened to look up and I saw
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler just go oh, just like throw his arms
Speaker 1: up and he was really angry for some reason, and
Speaker 1: he was just caught up in the moment. But he
Speaker 1: had a look of like anger and he just turned
Speaker 1: his whole body and done face away from it. Never
Speaker 1: saw it go in, then heard everyone go crazy and
Speaker 1: Mark suddenly turns around. It's like what he made it.
Speaker 1: I'm like the guy that left. Like the game six
Speaker 1: of the of the Mets Red Sox World Series in
Speaker 1: the fourth ending. Pollock, who has been following the Bills
Speaker 1: for over forty years for the Ole at Times Herald,
Speaker 1: said it was the worst conditions he's ever seen Buffalo,
Speaker 1: the worst I've ever seen for any football. Steve, who
Speaker 1: was down on the sideline for CBS and he played
Speaker 1: there many years as we know uh said he had
Speaker 1: never seen anything close to it. It was really a
Speaker 1: truly like if you want to if you watched a
Speaker 1: million games in your life, you want to watch a
Speaker 1: unique football game, watch this Bill's Cults game. But the game,
Speaker 1: I mean that that's an important one for the Bills
Speaker 1: who remain in the mix. It came so close to
Speaker 1: getting away from them, and they don't win without Lashawn McCoy,
Speaker 1: who has had a nice um, an amazing career, but
Speaker 1: he's really he continues to every season in Buffalo become
Speaker 1: the most important player there on offense. A hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty six yards UM. That's the most he's ever had
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. And yes, that Snowy Eagles game from about
Speaker 1: four years ago, that was his career high. He went
Speaker 1: for two seventeen. So whatever it is, he loves it.
Speaker 1: He's a matter. If you're one of those guys who
Speaker 1: thinks that football should be played under perfect conditions every time,
Speaker 1: stay far away from me. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: your friend. Produced joy, they're fun, and every coach in
Speaker 1: the NFL knows he has to build a team that
Speaker 1: can survive in any element. And I should mention that
Speaker 1: Nate Peterman started this game because Tyrod Taylor was out
Speaker 1: with the bruised knee Peterman suffered I believe what they
Speaker 1: thought was a concussion a head injury. So Joe Webb
Speaker 1: is in this game throwing passes down the stretch and
Speaker 1: and as you can imagine, almost lost the game with
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, he threw a bad interception that uh
Speaker 1: Vintary had a chance to win the game and couldn't
Speaker 1: get it done or house you guys would say no,
Speaker 1: but it's Terry. Sorry. I had a chance to win
Speaker 1: the game. So Joe Webb starter or playing this week.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Tyrod Tiller's back next week for the Bills, but
Speaker 1: we shall see. How about how about Frank Or unfortunately
Speaker 1: for his season, but he has the most carries he's
Speaker 1: ever had in the game, thirty six carries. He had
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty yards from scrimmage. The Colts only
Speaker 1: had two seven as a team, and Frank Gore had
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty of them. Stephen Holder, their re
Speaker 1: beat reporter after games that have never seen a running
Speaker 1: back more beaten up uniform, bloodied black and blue all over.
Speaker 1: Most carries in a game by both teams nineties seven carries.
Speaker 1: I think it was since one and and I know
Speaker 1: we should move and I don't want to pile on
Speaker 1: too much, but Chuck, do you want to talk about
Speaker 1: the future? You're x NFL dot com got it. Chuck
Speaker 1: Bogano's on the way out. He inexplicably let the clock
Speaker 1: run down at the end of regulation for no reason
Speaker 1: at all, instead of trying to get the ball closer
Speaker 1: and he apologized for it after the game. He had
Speaker 1: no answer said he said, you know what it is,
Speaker 1: he's a bad coach. Yeah, but this is next level,
Speaker 1: Like they just decide they just left him run down.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was like a brain. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on that game. You can't eat him,
Speaker 1: cannot eat him, but you can fire him. Let's move
Speaker 1: on fourth down and Mariota's most reliable target on the sideline.
Speaker 1: After getting drilled three receivers to the right, Mariota backs
Speaker 1: up as he goes to throw over the middle. It's
Speaker 1: juggled and complete. Oh. A late flag is thrown. M M.
Speaker 1: Tough loss for the Titans. Dave passed Katie a r
Speaker 1: with the call, the Cardinals shutdown Marcus Mariota's latest comeback attempt,
Speaker 1: and Phil Dawson Phil Dawson still kicking four second half
Speaker 1: field goals the Cardinals a twelve to seven win. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you want, you can say the Cardinals are in
Speaker 1: the fringes of the playoff race, but not really. But
Speaker 1: for the Titans, this was a very damaging loss for
Speaker 1: the Titoons, who fall out of his place of the
Speaker 1: a f C Southwest. What did you see from Tennessee today. Well,
Speaker 1: the running game is still mired in the mud. They
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. They averaged two point eight four yards
Speaker 1: per carried between Derrick Henry and DeMarco Murray. Taylor of
Speaker 1: the one They're really good. Left tackle was out of
Speaker 1: the game early with a lower back injury, and Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariotta throw two more interceptions. He told the broadcast crew, Uh,
Speaker 1: Andrew Catalan and James Often, it's not a mystery, it's mechanics,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm throwing off my back foot and that's
Speaker 1: on me. I take the blame. But mechanics are the
Speaker 1: issue with me right now, and you can see it
Speaker 1: in this game. The Titans offense is a mess right
Speaker 1: now and this stuff finally caught up to them. They
Speaker 1: weren't you know, They've been so lucky against bad teams,
Speaker 1: and they weren't lucky in this game. How often do
Speaker 1: you see a first half that produces nine punts, a
Speaker 1: short touchdown drive, and a missfield goal. I West, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's fair that you had to suffer through
Speaker 1: this game today. I believe you've been through enough. Eric
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry scored a touchdown late in the first quarter,
Speaker 1: and I think their drives after that were three punts,
Speaker 1: two interceptions, missed field goal, and maybe a fumbler. But
Speaker 1: they did nothing after that touchdown. The rest of the
Speaker 1: game was just like the wild boar rag of schedule.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in this, but it's down there. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's still available. Something to keep an eye on. As
Speaker 1: Mario to hurt his knee in this game, Mike Malarkey
Speaker 1: said after the game, in the first quarter and played
Speaker 1: through it, stayed in the through the final fourth down,
Speaker 1: passed two cornerback at Doray Jackson. Now why you would
Speaker 1: have your cornerback as he intended target with the game
Speaker 1: on the line. I have no idea. You know, the
Speaker 1: Titans aren't quite in the playoffs yet there. I know
Speaker 1: they're not. I feel like, you know, I know they're
Speaker 1: what are they nine and I mean eight? Look at
Speaker 1: their schedule, they're eight and five. They're at San Francisco,
Speaker 1: which isn't quite as easy as it's as it's been,
Speaker 1: and then their home for the Rams and the Jags.
Speaker 1: If ever, if ever there was a team that could
Speaker 1: lose fourth straight to fall right out of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think it's his Titans team certainly possible. They would
Speaker 1: not be a surprise at alar Jimmy Garoppolo Pete the Titan.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't doesn't get let anybody beat him. The guy.
Speaker 1: He's never gonna lose. Greg's column on a o L
Speaker 1: dot Com will be up tonight. Uh, let's move on,
Speaker 1: Snap Travisky, gonna keep it on the redact redaction into
Speaker 1: the ends over the touchdown touchdown Bears and Mitchell Travisky
Speaker 1: in from the four mm hmm, very exciting. Jeff Johnny
Speaker 1: at w b b M with the call. Yes. Mitch
Speaker 1: Drabinski made some real hashtag strides on Sunday, throwing for
Speaker 1: one touchdown, running for another as the Bears whipped up
Speaker 1: on the Bengals thirty three to seven and Cincinnati. Uh,
Speaker 1: this was the most lopsided Bears win in five years, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: As for the Bengals six days ago, well, they were
Speaker 1: up what seventeen nothing at the end of the first
Speaker 1: half against the Steelers. They looked like they were ready
Speaker 1: to make a charge in the playoff race, and now
Speaker 1: they are at raw bottom. And here is what our
Speaker 1: friend Marvin Lewis, who's finally appearing that he might be
Speaker 1: at the end of the unendable coaching rain. I think
Speaker 1: here's what he had to say at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. Well, I'm uh the loss of words every babe. Today.
Speaker 1: Our football team, I thought had a good week of
Speaker 1: preparation and we did not play close to the kind
Speaker 1: of football to window football game today. We needed to West. Um.
Speaker 1: We could kind of stick a pin in this for
Speaker 1: after the season. Um, but I want you to just
Speaker 1: start working up your Marvin Lewis oh bit for his
Speaker 1: time in Cincinnati. Yeah, he seems like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He's been like Rasputin. I think they have Greg Rosenthal's
Speaker 1: favorite press conference of all time. Oh yeah, with him
Speaker 1: and Mike Brown, the one where they the one where
Speaker 1: they where they were openly pissed at each other and
Speaker 1: to announce his contract, his new contract extensive Mike Brown.
Speaker 1: That's not toxic at all. Yeah, there's no West of
Speaker 1: Us this year. Two years in a row without West.
Speaker 1: It's not the same as it's like the year without
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. We almost need to like maybe find a
Speaker 1: backup to West of Us, right, because who knows Cincinnati
Speaker 1: doesn't look any closer to going on another extended playoff run. No. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talk about Black Monday. Having this all this activity,
Speaker 1: I think we could find out that John Fox and
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis are gone long before the season ends. Interesting,
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on play action. Garoppolo boots, Let's
Speaker 1: throw us to the far side, caught by sellec getting
Speaker 1: for the touchdown, touchdown forty Niners Ted Robinson k s
Speaker 1: A and with the call, Jimmy Garoppolo through for three
Speaker 1: and thirty four yards. That's the best he's ever had
Speaker 1: and a touchdown, helping the San Francisco forty Niners to
Speaker 1: another win, two in a row, sixteen, this time over
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. Marked by my logic, the Niners would
Speaker 1: be fourteen and oh that makes sense. No, they would
Speaker 1: be thirteen and powerful. They would have at an extra
Speaker 1: hit as they would accounted the last preseason game. They'd
Speaker 1: be thirteen right now if they traded for their quarterback
Speaker 1: before the season. That's the magic of Jimmy g It's
Speaker 1: what's fascinating about Garoppolo in these first couple of games
Speaker 1: is that, you know, last week we saw him play
Speaker 1: with with pace and he was efficient and you know,
Speaker 1: looked like he had been there for months, running the
Speaker 1: no huddle and doing really anything that Kyle Shannon would
Speaker 1: want a quarterback to do in this game, more progress.
Speaker 1: He's really has so little around him, but like a
Speaker 1: some of the rare quarterbacks do, guys like Marky's Goodwin,
Speaker 1: who's had you know, really, Marcus Goodwin is is a
Speaker 1: good piece in that offense. But with Jimmy G, suddenly
Speaker 1: he's got a hundred yard game today. Kyle Yustchek looked
Speaker 1: like a badass the entire time. It opens up the
Speaker 1: running game for Carlos Hide. And what Jimmy G does
Speaker 1: is he produces points, he finishes drives, and he's when
Speaker 1: they finally surround him with weapons, which could happen after
Speaker 1: this next draft and offseason cycle. This team, if you're
Speaker 1: a Niners fan, you have so much to be hopeful for,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot already that you're starting to see
Speaker 1: the elements week to week. And you know, the Texans
Speaker 1: have a lot of issues. I mean, DeAndre Hopkins is
Speaker 1: almost quarterback proof no matter what whoever who's in there,
Speaker 1: he is making incredible plays. But they just today could
Speaker 1: not get it done against the Niners, who I think
Speaker 1: with Jimmy g really feel like they could be. I
Speaker 1: don't know who they Let's look at their schedule, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't get another two wins this season, and they've
Speaker 1: given me a lock two weeks in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll not get off this train. You're gonna keep the Niners.
Speaker 1: Let me everything. Let me see who they got Tennessee,
Speaker 1: the Titans. I'm locking it up. Whoa pive lock? I
Speaker 1: love it is that the first pre week before we
Speaker 1: get to the week. Absolutely, we're breaking boundaries. Greg had
Speaker 1: a pre Thursday night lock. I hope mine goes a
Speaker 1: little better than that did. Yeah, that was that was
Speaker 1: the boundaries in the wrong way. Any other thoughts? Oh, so,
Speaker 1: what was the situation with Tom Savage? A scary incident
Speaker 1: where he got taken down, appeared to be shaking, almost
Speaker 1: having a seizure like motions, body emotions, and he stayed
Speaker 1: in the game, went into the tent, came back into
Speaker 1: the game, left ultimately with a concussion. So, I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how these things it's it's yeah, it
Speaker 1: was not a seamless Uh, I don't know. Brian after
Speaker 1: the game just said, well, I just coach, I don't
Speaker 1: have anything to do. Yeah, I can see a lot
Speaker 1: of people not take accountability for this one. But who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he told him he was fine. Maybe he
Speaker 1: passed test as did not look right, he passed the
Speaker 1: first one, and then somehow it was clear he actually
Speaker 1: did have a concussion. Rap Sheet reported that the NFL
Speaker 1: has initiated a review of all aspects of the protocols
Speaker 1: and procedures relating to Tom Savage. There you go, There
Speaker 1: you go. So we'll check in um if that leads
Speaker 1: to any changes in the process. Anything else from this game?
Speaker 1: Mark uh No. I would say, if you're a Niners fan,
Speaker 1: put it on loop and start to feel excited about
Speaker 1: next season. Very good Miners have become my go to
Speaker 1: Sunday night game. Pass game. Wow, I want to see
Speaker 1: what Jimmy g done. Very good? All right, but you
Speaker 1: won't be disappointed. We're all looking forward to it. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Simeon wants to be quick. Pressure on Simeon
Speaker 1: who throws a ball towards d T at DT just
Speaker 1: and makes to catch touchdown Denver with the penally flag throne.
Speaker 1: That was an unbelievable throw under pressure by Trevor Simeon
Speaker 1: Dave Logan ko A with the call Trevor Simeon through
Speaker 1: for two yards on the nose and that touchdown to
Speaker 1: to Mary's Thomas and the Rocky Mountain Avalanche completely shut
Speaker 1: down the Jets. Global warming, my and it three nothing.
Speaker 1: Wat Kate continue to spread that shall we at mile high?
Speaker 1: Thank you gam The Broncos snapped their longest losing streak,
Speaker 1: which was eight uh since nineteen sixty seven, so since
Speaker 1: they joined the NFL in the year of Our Lord
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy Chris Westling before I was born. Save for
Speaker 1: the theology podcast, anyway, the uh just just didn't show
Speaker 1: up in this game. I did lock them up. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a showing of support from my favorite team,
Speaker 1: although I've never really been confident in them, and they
Speaker 1: did not um. They didn't come through. They finished with
Speaker 1: one hundred yards of total offense. In fact, they had
Speaker 1: minus fourteen yards at the end of the first quarter.
Speaker 1: How many one d on the nose they If they
Speaker 1: would have gotten one less yard, it would have been
Speaker 1: just the second time in the history of the organization,
Speaker 1: which spends about sixty years, that they had less than
Speaker 1: one hundred yards of offense. Nothing was working. Uh, Josh
Speaker 1: McCown broke his left hand. He got beat up in
Speaker 1: this game. He looked he didn't play well. No one
Speaker 1: played well. He took some shots and then uh suffered
Speaker 1: a hand injury. After the game, he was fighting back
Speaker 1: tears as he discussed, um, you know, the feelings was
Speaker 1: having about it. What was a career best season that
Speaker 1: now maybe over, depending on uh what what they decide.
Speaker 1: But it's very possible that his season has done after
Speaker 1: Week fourteen. Bryce Petty actually came into this game and
Speaker 1: did nothing. So the Jet fans that want to see
Speaker 1: Bryce Petty, you might see Bryce Petty and you may
Speaker 1: not like what you see. So the Jets um fall
Speaker 1: to five and eight and with games the remaining schedule
Speaker 1: at New Orleans home to Chargers at Patriots five and
Speaker 1: eleven is very possible. And I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: good enough for Todd Bowls. See what happens. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they lose out, I still think he's in danger.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to win one of these games
Speaker 1: to be truly safe. That sounds great, but who are
Speaker 1: you gonna get better than him? I don't know. But
Speaker 1: we never know. I don't know. It could be somebody
Speaker 1: out there. Jets probably wouldn't get him, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's somebody that's better than Todd Bowls. I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge fan. That's Joseph. By the way, you could use
Speaker 1: a couple more of these before New Year's Day. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he's gonna get him. But but this was
Speaker 1: exactly a game in which there were a lot of
Speaker 1: unused tickets at Mile High, which probably doesn't sit well
Speaker 1: with ownership. Um. They actually showed up on defense, which
Speaker 1: they hadn't done, and Trevis Simeon actually looked okay in
Speaker 1: this game. Trevi expresses back rightly, as soon as you
Speaker 1: locked up this game, Mark said, this team is doom. Well,
Speaker 1: because you locked it, I kinda I kind of shot
Speaker 1: at your locking skills when I believe you lead all
Speaker 1: of us. So yeah, I never felt confident really in
Speaker 1: the lock. But it just it seemed fun to support
Speaker 1: the Jets and what would have kept them in the
Speaker 1: playoff race. Before we get to Sunday Night Football, I
Speaker 1: think this is the last time we're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: Keith this season. Um, because the Jets will not have
Speaker 1: relevant football after what happened today. So let's let's hear
Speaker 1: what Keith had to say. I told I said on
Speaker 1: this podcast last week that I want my my dad
Speaker 1: to share his actual feelings. And I'm hoping because he should,
Speaker 1: knowing my dad, he should be pretty mad about how
Speaker 1: this game turned out. Let's see what Keith had to say.
Speaker 1: His name is Keith, he stands dead. He'll doubt about it.
Speaker 1: He's a big Jets fan. What is he going to
Speaker 1: say about the game today? What is he to say
Speaker 1: about the game today? Today's Jets game twenty three nothing
Speaker 1: was a total disgrace. It was pathetic. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know why once again the Jets come out of the
Speaker 1: locker room sleeping where you know, they've been able to
Speaker 1: overcome that in some recent games, but today once again, Uh,
Speaker 1: they just came out sluggish and the other team got ahead,
Speaker 1: and this time they weren't able to do anything ninety
Speaker 1: eight total yards offensively, defensively. It appeared to me like
Speaker 1: most of the teams had given up. And I have
Speaker 1: to say, Bowls was totally clue with on the sideline
Speaker 1: that's him and his coaching staff. Uh, that doesn't appear
Speaker 1: to me that McGowan was injured earlier on a scramble,
Speaker 1: told him obviously wasn't the same guy that he's been.
Speaker 1: Even though Petty didn't show much today, where was the
Speaker 1: coaches talking to each other about what was going on?
Speaker 1: So terrible, terrible game today. But maybe we're expecting too
Speaker 1: much from this team. All right, thanks? You know what
Speaker 1: I cannot wait for. You know, the Jets public relations
Speaker 1: department has been at times a tad sensitive to us
Speaker 1: when we write about them. You could say that what
Speaker 1: does NFL media do when they get a complaint about
Speaker 1: Dan's dad? How did they handle that? There's no way
Speaker 1: to handle he is He is in a he is
Speaker 1: in a punishment free zone. I feel like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think dad is bulletproof. Now, good, good, old
Speaker 1: Danny boy, take some fire. You could be watching the
Speaker 1: next three games with your dad back in a childhood betterom.
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Speaker 1: on Sunday Night. He's amazing. Each car on the play
Speaker 1: Brown two receiving yards tonight unbelievable. Al Michael's uh NBC
Speaker 1: with the call. Antonio Brown could not be covered once again,
Speaker 1: this time by a vaunted Ravens defense. His thirty four
Speaker 1: yard reception down the right sideline late in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter set up Chris Boswell's go ahead field goal, and
Speaker 1: then the Steelers held on for a thirty nine to
Speaker 1: thirty eight win, a game in which they overcame a
Speaker 1: nine point deficit with less than six minutes to play.
Speaker 1: In this game, Ben Roethlisberger forty four of sixties, six
Speaker 1: for five oh six and two touchdowns, and yes, Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown eleven for two on eighteen targets. Chris Wesley had
Speaker 1: to get going. So the three Amigos will close this
Speaker 1: one out. Mark the Steelers. You just can never count
Speaker 1: them out. Was when Antonio Brown and Ben Roethlisberger are
Speaker 1: just playing catch. Yeah. I mean, I feel like for
Speaker 1: a while people playfully talked about Antonio Brown as an
Speaker 1: m v P candidate, and you have to take the
Speaker 1: concept seriously. We've watched this, They've been on primetime week
Speaker 1: after week at this point. Weeks there America, and it's
Speaker 1: been fun. It's been a fun four weeks. And listen,
Speaker 1: they absolutely considering what's happened to this team over the
Speaker 1: last seven days. The way they came back from a
Speaker 1: deficit against the Bengals on the hardest night. You could
Speaker 1: ask for us as a team to do what they
Speaker 1: did on Monday night and then to turn around and
Speaker 1: erase and eleven and then a nine point deficit. You know,
Speaker 1: as the game ticked away with the Ravens marching up
Speaker 1: and down the field on Pittsburgh's defense their offense. Tonight,
Speaker 1: you have to look at this team and say they
Speaker 1: could beat anyone in the league on the right night.
Speaker 1: We'll have to see what happened against New England Steelers.
Speaker 1: Steelers can beat anyone on any night with this with
Speaker 1: this passing game, and yet they were trailing in this
Speaker 1: game by nine points with seven minutes to go. Know
Speaker 1: they were trailing by more late in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: and all along Mark Sessler is watching it, Sat, Steelers
Speaker 1: are gonna win this game. You know, just just so
Speaker 1: annoyed at the Ravens for every misstep they made. And
Speaker 1: when the final drive starts, you just said, put six
Speaker 1: guys on Antonio Brown. Do anything but let Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: beat you. And it's gotten his magnificence has gotten almost
Speaker 1: so predictable that you tweeted out Dan right before Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown made that catch, you said, why do I feel
Speaker 1: like a thirty seven yard and throw to Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: is coming thirty four yards the next plade down the sidelines.
Speaker 1: You gotta find a way to not let him beat you.
Speaker 1: And yet that's easy to tray, like true greatness just
Speaker 1: can't be stopped. Truly great all time receivers, which Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown is. And we've been talking about that a lot
Speaker 1: the last few weeks because there have been so many
Speaker 1: primetime games. They always get open. And there was a
Speaker 1: key play on that last Steelers scoring drive third and
Speaker 1: thirteen where they did bracket up Brown and took him
Speaker 1: out of the equation and then Rothless Burger to his credit,
Speaker 1: and Roethlisberger played a brilliant game in the down the
Speaker 1: stretch here he found I believe it was Vance McDonald
Speaker 1: over the middle. No, it wasn't Vana. This was Jesse
Speaker 1: James over the middle to convert that first down. And
Speaker 1: once they got that, you started to feel like they
Speaker 1: were gonna be able to march the ball. And then
Speaker 1: a few plays later there's Antonio Brown. So I mean,
Speaker 1: on the Steelers side, it really it puts them, sends
Speaker 1: them into that Patriots game, which is gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the biggest games of the season for any team,
Speaker 1: with a lot of confidence that they could overcome anything.
Speaker 1: And on the raven side, they're still in good shape
Speaker 1: when you look at their schedule, their seven and six,
Speaker 1: and this loss hurts, but they still I think have
Speaker 1: a good chance of qualifying for the playoffs, um if
Speaker 1: they take care of business. But all that talk about
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense mark being this great unit that could
Speaker 1: be stacked up with all those ray Lewis d's, they
Speaker 1: get a stop in this spot and they just couldn't
Speaker 1: get it done. It's uh, you know, there was one
Speaker 1: pass on Pittsburgh's final drive were big bend through an
Speaker 1: errant floater. Had a Raven safety beIN, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: in a different direction, that game would have been over
Speaker 1: and we'll be talking about Pittsburgh's epic collapse. But listen,
Speaker 1: this is how it ended. I mean, it was bizarre
Speaker 1: to watch the ball. You know, Flacco lost the ball,
Speaker 1: the fumble on the the on Baltimore's final shot down
Speaker 1: the field, it dribbles out of bounds and they're in
Speaker 1: the huddle as the game clock ticked off. They didn't
Speaker 1: realize that was happening. They lost themselves at the end here.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, if I'm a Ravens fan watching the last
Speaker 1: two weeks, he scored eighty two points, I'm feeling this.
Speaker 1: This loss hurts, and it makes you wonder about their defense, certainly,
Speaker 1: but you gotta feel good that your offense has finally
Speaker 1: woken up. Your next three games are against some cupcakes.
Speaker 1: You got the Brown sorry Mark Uh, you got the
Speaker 1: Colts and the Bengals. They're gonna win those three games.
Speaker 1: This team is dangerous. I think they can that's an
Speaker 1: insult to Cupcakes. I think they can fix their defensive problems.
Speaker 1: That the fact that they've been able to run the
Speaker 1: ball and Flacco while a few misthrows late in the game,
Speaker 1: overall has been my better. The last Alex Collins can play,
Speaker 1: he was running hard and making people miss. So like,
Speaker 1: those are those are positives. I think if you're a
Speaker 1: Ravens fan like that, they're they're gonna be a scary team.
Speaker 1: I think going on the road to whoever they have
Speaker 1: to face in the division world, I'm already putting them
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Well yeah, Ravens fans are gonna need
Speaker 1: about seventy two hours to stay off any sort of
Speaker 1: football media outlet and just let this thing deal with.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna close out the season if you don't.
Speaker 1: Ten and six and and tonight shows you that you
Speaker 1: can hang with what might be the best team in
Speaker 1: the a f C. It's crazy, though that this s
Speaker 1: ums to be like the ultimate a f C North
Speaker 1: smash Mount Day. Let's finally see some real football with
Speaker 1: some you know, hard nosed defenses and up in the
Speaker 1: a f C North. Forget about that. It was a
Speaker 1: fun game. And um, you said it, Mark while we're
Speaker 1: watching the end of this game. How all these incredible games,
Speaker 1: including this game. It's unfortunate that the Carson Wentz situation
Speaker 1: kind of uh hampers everything. But this was a banger
Speaker 1: of a week with a lot of great endings. Best
Speaker 1: week of the year terms of in terms of games,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I would even go back
Speaker 1: to last year and say early on we could not
Speaker 1: We were watching four or five games at the same
Speaker 1: time watching them, you know, conclude dramatically. The late games
Speaker 1: were great. This was one of the best Sunday night
Speaker 1: games of the year. So what more can you ask
Speaker 1: for outside of wins? And the Jaguars are probably bummed
Speaker 1: because if the Steelers don't find a way in this
Speaker 1: game and then can't beat the Patriots next week, the
Speaker 1: Jaguars maybe sneak into the second seed. Now that feels
Speaker 1: like a long shot with the Steelers getting this win,
Speaker 1: but season not over. Things can happen. But that's it
Speaker 1: for for us. That's that's our show for Sunday. Thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone for listening. Often imitated, um never duplicated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next time you hear from us, it will be on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It will be the Video Show with Connie Fox and
Speaker 1: hopefully West but definitely Connie. But until then, this is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansens signing off for the Quiet Storm. The mailman
Speaker 1: Nick Shook in absentia, the Old Boss and Lindsey Fulton
Speaker 1: behind the glass until Tuesday,