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Speaker 1: I'm Christina, I'm Karren. Sorry about last night, the anti
Speaker 1: slut shaming podcast. I never stopped. Hello, yea, fuckers, how
Speaker 1: you doing? Welcome to another episode of Guys We Fucked.
Speaker 1: It is the anti slut shaming and also anti rate podcast.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should rename it at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm Karine Fisher. You can find me on social media
Speaker 1: at at Philanthropy Gal. That's the word philanthropy than the
Speaker 1: word gal both together. I'm Christina Hudginson. You can find
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Speaker 1: night Sacramento. Hi, we're inside you. We're doing shows. It
Speaker 1: we're performing. We have one show tonight, we have two
Speaker 1: shows tomorrow night. There's tickets still available and we would
Speaker 1: love you to come. Uh. And then Sunday we're going
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Speaker 1: So this is a new tour. It's not the same
Speaker 1: show you've seen before. It's a new one that just
Speaker 1: for you. We're really excited about it. Pack the stand
Speaker 1: up still audience participation, a new video, and then Tuesday
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. A lot of
Speaker 1: people are commenting like, is this a different Ottawa? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's Canada. It's not an American Ottawa. I honestly did
Speaker 1: not even know an American Ottawa existed, and if it does,
Speaker 1: who is in California? But you know, we are hunter
Speaker 1: percent talking about the Canadian one. So Hi, if you're
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Speaker 1: which is February one through second Current and I are
Speaker 1: going to be at Helium Comedy Club in Buffalo, New York.
Speaker 1: It's going to be very cold and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: very bored and freezing, but not at night because we're
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Speaker 1: met that lives even near Buffalo, New York, they should come.
Speaker 1: And then February four, Teeth is Valentine's Day. It's also
Speaker 1: the day that my comedy album comes out with Joseph Bessie,
Speaker 1: who was a former guest at Guys We Fucked and
Speaker 1: also stand a comedian. It's called Maybe It's You. Fun
Speaker 1: fact about the album. It's I was gonna I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, did you do your homework? I did? I did?
Speaker 1: I did? I accidentally pop quiz Christina on her album
Speaker 1: last week, and um so every I got it wrong
Speaker 1: because I didn't know it. Well, you just said nothing.
Speaker 1: You didn't You didn't give any wrong information. You just
Speaker 1: didn't give You were just vague about it. You can boy,
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure we're gonna be doing a show
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles that week after Yeah, what date, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We're gonna keep revealing exactly a ki and
Speaker 1: then yeah uh and then on Friday, February twenty three,
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Speaker 1: Love me Andy's. Then I went, how's your life going?
Speaker 1: I mean, fine, it's going. It's going fine. How's your
Speaker 1: life going? So I've been sleeping a lot. I feel
Speaker 1: like i've been I'm depressed, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess when you're depressed, there's no real reason for it.
Speaker 1: Could be seasonal depression. I do. I do know that
Speaker 1: I have that because when it when it does. It
Speaker 1: was warmer out today and I hadn't been outside yet
Speaker 1: until two thirty, and I was the bird. The warmth
Speaker 1: made gave me like a burst of energy. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful day. I took Outfred on a long walk.
Speaker 1: He stepped daintily over puddles, likes to do. It was fun. Uh.
Speaker 1: We do want to thank everybody speaking of walking outside
Speaker 1: uh outside transitions. We want to thank everyone who came
Speaker 1: and met up with us for the Women's march on Saturday.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. We had a nice group of
Speaker 1: gals come together. We made some signs. Alfred walked for
Speaker 1: four hours. I was very proud of him meeting growl
Speaker 1: at anyone or bark at anyone. He took a ship
Speaker 1: in the middle of the street, which we dedicated to hilarious. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was really great. It was really fun.
Speaker 1: It was a much more positive I marched last year
Speaker 1: in l A. And I'm not blaming you this on
Speaker 1: l A, but I just it wasn't it just it
Speaker 1: felt it didn't feel. The mood was not right. And
Speaker 1: I think things were really hot and heavy because we
Speaker 1: had just, uh you know, the election was a lot
Speaker 1: more fresh. People hadn't adjusted. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: anger that was kind of coming out in maybe not
Speaker 1: as uh constructive ways as it could have come out. Um.
Speaker 1: And so this year I was kind of like, I
Speaker 1: just didn't even know if I wanted to go. So
Speaker 1: we kind of like, I was like, let's invite the listeners,
Speaker 1: so that forces me to go um. And it was
Speaker 1: really cool. It was much better. Came and I thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much. Gals, it was it was I
Speaker 1: think it was mostly mostly women who came up and
Speaker 1: met us, but it was only women. Yeah. Was They're
Speaker 1: all very any other way, very sweet, very kind, and
Speaker 1: it was really an honored to march with all of you.
Speaker 1: And it was so cool. I love seeing like the
Speaker 1: little girls marching with their mom or dad uh and
Speaker 1: holding up signs and it really reminds you, like this
Speaker 1: ship is really important. And oh man, it was just
Speaker 1: such a good fucking day. Like the Gay Pride Parade
Speaker 1: is usually my favorite day of the year. It's just
Speaker 1: a day filled with love. And this this was this
Speaker 1: came pretty close because it was all people, uh, just
Speaker 1: gathering in support of women and like, oh just it
Speaker 1: felt really good. Ye and I had a lot of
Speaker 1: like a little good like mini conversations and interactions with
Speaker 1: other women. I mean, I think mostly prompted by Alfred,
Speaker 1: but I'll take what I can get one of. And uh,
Speaker 1: we got to make funny signs. I did make a
Speaker 1: sign that said Lorna Bob it is my spirit animal.
Speaker 1: That I was very proud of shout out to esther Ku,
Speaker 1: who I also saw me a Lorena bob It themed
Speaker 1: sign and I was like, great vines think alike. I
Speaker 1: was gonna to smithe the bee quote on my sign.
Speaker 1: It's like if you call yourself a feminist and bunk
Speaker 1: like a feminist. But then I didn't want little kids
Speaker 1: because some of the signs people were looking at the
Speaker 1: kids were like what does that mean? And I just didn't.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'll skip the joke.
Speaker 1: I always figure like, if a fucking kid is in
Speaker 1: New York City, they've already seen a grown man take
Speaker 1: a ship, so maybe the word funk isn't really gonna
Speaker 1: push them over the edge. That's just my feelings on
Speaker 1: on New York things. If it was out of New York,
Speaker 1: then I'd be like, maybe I guess I should censor myself.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, it was great and it
Speaker 1: was also it was kind of something to be said
Speaker 1: about uh, interacting with fans and I hate that word,
Speaker 1: but whatever fans or listeners, but like, uh, that also
Speaker 1: sounds like we started a call um my listeners loyal.
Speaker 1: But it was nice to interact with them on of
Speaker 1: our human level and not have it be like waiting
Speaker 1: in line and uh, you know, having them I asked
Speaker 1: for like a selfie or an autograph, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but it makes me feel like it's different from them.
Speaker 1: So it's to say the same and an equal because
Speaker 1: on the same level. Same. Yeah. Yeah, That's one thing
Speaker 1: that makes me feel weird is always when people put
Speaker 1: you on a pedestal and you're like, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: the same. It's okay, yeah, I mean maybe we worked
Speaker 1: harder than you, but that's not really that's not really
Speaker 1: human or there. Yeah, that's not the point. No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's in the area of entertainment. Wait,
Speaker 1: it's always. It's just fucking weird when people like I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm meeting you, and then I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wish my mom liked me that much. I'm just pay
Speaker 1: like I always think. I'm like, if you were sitting
Speaker 1: in my bedroom right now and saw all the piles
Speaker 1: of dirty laundry, you would be man, We're we are
Speaker 1: real as hell, significantly less impressed with meeting me anyway,
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. Yeah, you know, last week was
Speaker 1: just a fun week. I didn't have a ton of
Speaker 1: shows books, so I spent a lot of time consuming
Speaker 1: other art, which is what I love to do. Um
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes because we're doing so much art,
Speaker 1: like I forget that I can consume other people's art.
Speaker 1: It was really, really wonderful and I loved it so much.
Speaker 1: We saw John Languizamo show. We saw John Languizama's show
Speaker 1: Latin History from Morons, which was exquisite. They're not we
Speaker 1: did we They did send us there promotionally, but I
Speaker 1: want to be very clear that we are. We loved
Speaker 1: it genuinely. John Languizamo is one of the most passionate
Speaker 1: performers I have ever been lucky enough to witness one stage.
Speaker 1: Holy fucking ship and I love love us a good uh,
Speaker 1: entertainment and education combined into one thing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I learned so much. I was so amped up when
Speaker 1: we met him. I was like, I just want to
Speaker 1: like run a lap around the island. I was so
Speaker 1: amped and it was really, Oh my god, that guy
Speaker 1: is a fucking powerhouse. Yeah. No, it was truly a
Speaker 1: dream come true. Like I think I've mentioned on the
Speaker 1: podcast before, He's one of the reasons I started comedy
Speaker 1: John Languizamo. I mean, you know him as an actor,
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people don't know outside
Speaker 1: of the Latino community like that he is this really
Speaker 1: prolific performer of one person show, like going back years
Speaker 1: and years and years, decades and decades um. And he's
Speaker 1: so intelligent and he's so well read, and he did
Speaker 1: this amazing show. How the Hellies had time to really
Speaker 1: good Temple. Yeah, it was over an hour and a
Speaker 1: half of just him dancing and doing accents and all
Speaker 1: over the stage. Just just he's just so energetic. And
Speaker 1: then you know, ten not even ten minutes after he
Speaker 1: greeted us at the stage door. He was personable, he
Speaker 1: was engaging, he was interested, he was happy to the
Speaker 1: photo with us. He listened, he lives I fan girl,
Speaker 1: like real hard into an embarrassing level, and he was
Speaker 1: like very cordial about it. I cannot believe he was
Speaker 1: just on stage for ninety minutes and and met us
Speaker 1: and was that kind and polite and happy and energetic.
Speaker 1: He was just he's having She was fantastic and always
Speaker 1: witness a fire afterwards. Yeah, it was just I mean
Speaker 1: that was I mean, no one got hurt, so don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. I got to see some firefighters, which
Speaker 1: was on and then um, and then what else did
Speaker 1: I do? And then so I did that and then
Speaker 1: I feel like the following night I went to a
Speaker 1: Jill so Bule concert because I'm a fifty six year
Speaker 1: old lesbian, uh, and it was that was it's just
Speaker 1: like you see, that's why the one thing I do
Speaker 1: love about the internet, like if you follow people on
Speaker 1: Twitter like that, you would never know that they were
Speaker 1: doing a show or even in your city. And then
Speaker 1: randomly I saw him aboo John Ronson tweet that he
Speaker 1: was telling a story at his friend Jill so Bule's concert,
Speaker 1: and I was like, number one, your friends with Jill everyone.
Speaker 1: And then number two I was like, I can see
Speaker 1: you both perform at a gay club, Alan Cummings. The
Speaker 1: club actually Club Comming, which is a tiny little thing.
Speaker 1: I used to be this gay club called Eastern Block
Speaker 1: that was even too gay for me. So that's a lot.
Speaker 1: There's only a couple of that in the cock are
Speaker 1: like where I draw the line. But Club Coming now
Speaker 1: is more cabaret inspired, so I can now go there
Speaker 1: safely again. Um, you know there are there there because
Speaker 1: there are clubs where you just you just have to know,
Speaker 1: as a woman who hangs out with gay men a lot,
Speaker 1: that's like, you know what, they don't want me here
Speaker 1: and and that's okay, and that's totally they deserved just
Speaker 1: the same way as I. Sometimes I want things women
Speaker 1: only and that's fine. Um. And then I also the
Speaker 1: following day after that, went to Damian Eccles art exhibits
Speaker 1: in a very weird week. I mean, you don't like
Speaker 1: that fun And I met him. If you don't know
Speaker 1: who he is, HBO special from Ages Ago movie documentary
Speaker 1: Paradise Lost. You can go, you can get, You're gonna get.
Speaker 1: You're gonna lose like years of your life, uh researching this,
Speaker 1: you know, uh crime quote crime, the mystery of the crime.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a crime, just Damian Eccles wasn't
Speaker 1: involved in it is the main thing. I got to
Speaker 1: meet him, and that was just he's just he's just
Speaker 1: a peach and also lives in Harlem. Um, so I've
Speaker 1: seen him around and I've talked to him before on
Speaker 1: the subway, but this was and I got a photo
Speaker 1: and that was great. And then I round it out
Speaker 1: my week of consuming art by going to like some
Speaker 1: weird nineties spice girls Rave UM with actually um Today's guests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great, and it was so weird because it
Speaker 1: truly was nineties and that people were smoking cigarettes inside,
Speaker 1: which I know that, but you know, it did like
Speaker 1: it really, I felt like it was in this weird
Speaker 1: place like it was called that is very nineties though.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was China chalet and we went went upstairs
Speaker 1: and it felt like a combination between like a Bingo
Speaker 1: hall an old hotel bar. Only Asian people were working there.
Speaker 1: Everyone was smoking inside, but like the people at the
Speaker 1: Brave were not mostly Asian. Uh their podcast listener recognizing
Speaker 1: me even though it was like pitch black and smoky.
Speaker 1: There was a drag performance by Age of Aquaria and
Speaker 1: it was it was just crazy. It was craziness and
Speaker 1: dancing and I was on a chair saying about spicing
Speaker 1: up my life. That sounds wonderful and so I and
Speaker 1: I was hoping. I was like, oh, well, this is
Speaker 1: gonna obviously lead to you know, about an hour of
Speaker 1: new material, and it didn't. But I guess I have
Speaker 1: to just enjoy the fun for the fun. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, the problem was it was because all the
Speaker 1: stuff was good, and so I'm less inspired by good
Speaker 1: stuff than bad stuff, which maybe that's a reflection of me. No,
Speaker 1: I think the good stuff you've just taken, you experience it,
Speaker 1: and then the bad stuff you write jokes about to
Speaker 1: kind of set yourself free from the bad experience you had. Whatever,
Speaker 1: sex and so long. Man, Yeah, you mentioned what's up,
Speaker 1: but I'm still is like three weekdays, six days, that's it?
Speaker 1: Maybe less six days? Just feel like depressed sid I
Speaker 1: only I'm not even gonna hear six days six days.
Speaker 1: You've been dating for seven years. The fact that you
Speaker 1: can eat that, you know, we've gone away longer, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying the way in fact that we want to
Speaker 1: have sex is amazed. I know, right, I always suck
Speaker 1: one day when I grew up, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: in a relationship, and I still want to suck them
Speaker 1: even after seven years. Listen. It's so interesting because growing
Speaker 1: up I always thought that if you were in a relationship,
Speaker 1: you would be like fuck all the time. I don't
Speaker 1: know where I got that idea. I also thought, when
Speaker 1: you became an adult that women wore dresses every day,
Speaker 1: fancy dresses every day. Oh really, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that too. Where did you see that?
Speaker 1: I just made up in my head? Oh yeah, because
Speaker 1: I thought, like you we you would just sunk all
Speaker 1: the time, even though, like I said, I don't know
Speaker 1: where I got that idea from, because it's not I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like I like heard my parents fucking all
Speaker 1: the time or something. I mean, I just didn't hear.
Speaker 1: I just I was upstairs and I hear that at all.
Speaker 1: Neither here nor there. I cannot conform nor deny um.
Speaker 1: But then I was listening to Atlantis Morisset in my
Speaker 1: youth as I did, and there's a line in one
Speaker 1: of her songs, um twenty one Things I wanted a
Speaker 1: lover her where she says sex more than three times
Speaker 1: a week on her wish list, and I'm thinking, if
Speaker 1: this bit just putting this on her wish list at
Speaker 1: a young age, people are not having as much sex
Speaker 1: as we think they're having in relationships. And that stayed
Speaker 1: with me, and it's true. Thank god she wrote that song,
Speaker 1: otherwise I would think there was something wrong. And truly
Speaker 1: I cannot thank her enough. I mean, I've never met
Speaker 1: that woman, but Jesus Christ, she has shaped my life
Speaker 1: in such a profound way. Yeah. Hey, if anybody knows
Speaker 1: at Lantis, Moore said, tell everyone. Interviewer, Um, you probably
Speaker 1: just asked her. I don't think she's well. She has
Speaker 1: like a she has like she's very into like new age,
Speaker 1: the wu wou stuff now and she does classes in
Speaker 1: California which I wanted to go to. Were on tour
Speaker 1: during one of them, and um, yeah, she has a
Speaker 1: podcast about like meditation or something. You listen to it? No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it would make I can't. I
Speaker 1: have to be careful with the stuff that I intake
Speaker 1: from people that I love, because if they go off
Speaker 1: the beaten path, it's going to make me not like them.
Speaker 1: I hear you, And I need to be really careful.
Speaker 1: Like I I know dan Burne as a lullaby album
Speaker 1: and it's very sweet that he wrote it for his daughter.
Speaker 1: But I can't listen to that because lulla byes don't
Speaker 1: make me want to fuck people. You see what I'm
Speaker 1: saying here. They don't you and you want to? You
Speaker 1: want to wanting to fun people that I love, just
Speaker 1: to keep to keep the fire alive, you know, right, Well,
Speaker 1: it's fun to want to suck somebody, even if you
Speaker 1: never suck them when you know, that's not the point.
Speaker 1: It's not about the fucking. It's about the wanting and
Speaker 1: the imagination. Because I've never like dreamed of fucking someone
Speaker 1: and had the fucking be as like well maybe like
Speaker 1: on par but like rarely better. Well yeah, because somethings
Speaker 1: are rarely better my imaginations. Two wild. Sometimes a thrill
Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, that person's fingers inside me,
Speaker 1: and that's all, you know what I mean, And that
Speaker 1: that's enough. Speaking of man, I keep having that damn
Speaker 1: sex dream. Oh yeah, I really hope that person isn't listening,
Speaker 1: but I know they probably are. They don't know it's
Speaker 1: about them. They don't know. Well, you never know. He's
Speaker 1: a confident person, he could know. Maybe maybe all right,
Speaker 1: the subject of this email is he fucked me deaf.
Speaker 1: So I forgot we were doing this. I was, okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm just gonna go get straight to the
Speaker 1: point here. Thanks girl. Last night, me and my boyfriend
Speaker 1: were having sex, nothing crazy, just basic sex. When we
Speaker 1: were done, I stood up and went to the walk
Speaker 1: to the bathroom that's like two steps away. He looked
Speaker 1: at me, so concerned and asked if I was okay.
Speaker 1: There was ringing in both my ears and it sounded
Speaker 1: like I was underwater. When he was talking two seconds later,
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear anything. I was unknowingly screaming at him,
Speaker 1: I can't hear you. I'm gonna get a shower. Eventually,
Speaker 1: after like five minutes in the shower, I could finally
Speaker 1: hear the ratter running and felt okay again. We have
Speaker 1: been together for almost five years. That means we have
Speaker 1: had sex well over a thousand times, damn girl, and
Speaker 1: have done some pretty ridiculous stuff. How the fuck does
Speaker 1: basic as sex after this long? Cause this, I have
Speaker 1: no idea has this happened to either of you? Where
Speaker 1: any of your listeners? I tried googling it but found
Speaker 1: nothing except I'm out of shape. That makes no damn
Speaker 1: sense to me. I love you girls. Thanks. I have
Speaker 1: never been fucked to death with an f at the
Speaker 1: end that I couldn't hear, but I have been. I
Speaker 1: have worked out to death, like sometimes when I lift
Speaker 1: do dead um dead lifts and squats. If there's if
Speaker 1: I'm cloggy, like if I have nasal drippage or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the funk I do. But if
Speaker 1: I involves me lifting something or like, you know, during
Speaker 1: the actual workout, I will my hearing will go. I
Speaker 1: won't go completely deaf, but I will. It'll be foggy
Speaker 1: as if I have ear plugs in and I can
Speaker 1: barely hear anything, and it's fucking weird. Sometimes I hold
Speaker 1: my nostril with my nostrils like this and I blow,
Speaker 1: which I don't think is a smart thing to recommend
Speaker 1: anybody do because one time I did that and it
Speaker 1: hurt real bad for a long time. So if anybody
Speaker 1: else has ever been fucked to death out there, oh
Speaker 1: damn it. I mean, I hate to tell everyone to
Speaker 1: google instead of emailing us, but I'm gonna say it again, Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, I just went and there's an entire
Speaker 1: article about us. Why it's it's not uncommon for a woman.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I'm sorry, it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a woman oriented uh blog. This is like
Speaker 1: a piece from Vice Vice and broadly um, but basically, uh,
Speaker 1: it's not uncommon to lose hearing after you orgasm. What
Speaker 1: I'm guessing this girl orgasm and it's just says sometimes
Speaker 1: when I come really hard, my ears ring and I
Speaker 1: go a little deaf. I start to hear my boyfriend's
Speaker 1: sweet post sex lines. Blah blah blah, Um damn it,
Speaker 1: I gotta come harder. Maybe have you ever come to
Speaker 1: death to deaf? No? I have not. I like silence,
Speaker 1: so so someone could have been talking or and I
Speaker 1: and you're just appreciating the silence. Okay, So the doctor
Speaker 1: answers a question. He says, I think I may have
Speaker 1: found the possible explanations. But first a big disclaimer. I
Speaker 1: am not an expert in the subject of tintin us,
Speaker 1: which is the scientific term for ringing in the ears
Speaker 1: or female orgasm. The findings tails here are not extensive.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, so give me the answer, whereas the
Speaker 1: aream um. So there are four Basically, there are four
Speaker 1: phases of the human sexual response cycle, the excitement phase,
Speaker 1: plateau phase, orgasmic phase, and resolution phase. During the excitement
Speaker 1: and plateau phase, the heart rate, respiratory rate, and blood
Speaker 1: pressure go up. Some muscles contract voluntarily and others involuntarily.
Speaker 1: This arousal arousal and increase in excitements like psychologically and
Speaker 1: physiologically climax is part in the pun uh that was
Speaker 1: I'm not making in the orgasmic phase. The orgasmic phase
Speaker 1: in males is said to last ten to fifteen seconds,
Speaker 1: and in females longer. Sex increases the production of oxytocin,
Speaker 1: the feel the feel good hormone, which leads to the
Speaker 1: release of endorphins, which is natural morphine. A complex interplay
Speaker 1: of the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems occurs during orgasm.
Speaker 1: This then quickly followed by the resolution phase DAMN, which
Speaker 1: allows the muscles to relax, blood pressure to drop, and
Speaker 1: the body to slow down from its excited state. Um.
Speaker 1: It's during this resolution phase that some have experienced tintin nous.
Speaker 1: I hope that I'm saying that right with or without
Speaker 1: hearing loss. So his hypothesis is that the sudden reduction
Speaker 1: in heart rate and blood pressure results in sudden pressure
Speaker 1: changes in the middle ear and reduction of blood flow
Speaker 1: to the inner ear. The middle ear is a finely
Speaker 1: tuned piece of engineering. Changes in pressure within it would
Speaker 1: change the acoustic properties of sound transmission through the ear
Speaker 1: drum and hearing bones. This might result in a muffled
Speaker 1: hearing In addition, the reduction of blood flow to the
Speaker 1: innercoclea uh might mean that the hearing nerves might experience
Speaker 1: a transient reduction of essential nutrients, which results in temporary
Speaker 1: faulty signaling to the brain. This might explain hearing loss
Speaker 1: in tintinnus and um, sorry, there's one more hypothesis us
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. This is
Speaker 1: fucking interesting and if you can't understand this, and just
Speaker 1: like fast forward, I guess so. The second hypothesis has
Speaker 1: is relates to what happens in the brain itself during
Speaker 1: sex and orgasm. The areas in the brain that gets
Speaker 1: switched on are the nucleus accumbents, hyper hypothalamus. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: these are words that I learned in school and should know,
Speaker 1: uh a magdala, hypocampus, and cerebellum. More importantly, the parts
Speaker 1: of the brain that gets deactivated are the prefrontal cortex,
Speaker 1: which is decision making an executive thought, and the temporal lobe,
Speaker 1: which is hearing and century association center. That last bit
Speaker 1: is important. My second hypothesis, therefore, is that the change
Speaker 1: in the activity of the temporal lobe after orgasm results
Speaker 1: in a change in auditory perception. This may result and
Speaker 1: some people having a change in their threshold for experiencing tintinnus.
Speaker 1: In addition, the release of chemical endorphins may also change
Speaker 1: the activities of the neurotransmitters in the brain, causing a
Speaker 1: change and sunsory perception. That was too long for you.
Speaker 1: I think we all learned a good lesson in googling ship.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I thought that was yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean the thing. I'm glad you googled it once
Speaker 1: she said that. I was like, I mean, either something
Speaker 1: is seriously wrong with you or this is something that
Speaker 1: happens like for that, because the fits. If I fucking
Speaker 1: went deaf, I would not email the Guys We Fun podcast.
Speaker 1: I would. I would be on I would. I would.
Speaker 1: There would be fear in my heart. I can't believe
Speaker 1: she just went to the shower. I would be scared.
Speaker 1: I would be like, this is gonna be my whole life.
Speaker 1: I'm going to change everything that I know. See. I
Speaker 1: would just be like, no, I'll come back. No, I would.
Speaker 1: I would. I would be on web MD so fucking fast.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even clean come off me. Uh, maybe that's
Speaker 1: why you would death. But that being said, guys, uh,
Speaker 1: we have a wonderful guest for you this week. You've
Speaker 1: heard me talk about her before. She is a female
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Speaker 1: so thick, I can't hold it like, oh shit, this
Speaker 1: dope dick is so lit good have bottled it up
Speaker 1: and sold it, but I own it. Sometimes I want
Speaker 1: to car Sometimes sometimes I can't cope with it. Hi,
Speaker 1: we're here with Vicky. Yes, that's your stage name, which
Speaker 1: we'll get into later. Yes, but you and Karin go
Speaker 1: way back. Oh definitely, how far back? Um? I think
Speaker 1: Karn and I met. Um we must have been in
Speaker 1: like seventh six or seventh grade, and we bonded over
Speaker 1: our love of the Spice girls. Yes, that was the
Speaker 1: initial bond, wasn't it. How did you know? How did
Speaker 1: you guys get out of as Spice girl fans like
Speaker 1: to each other? How did you How did you smell
Speaker 1: that you love Spice girls? I mean, it wasn't I
Speaker 1: was very loud and proud about my level. Girls have
Speaker 1: seen it on like a notebook or something, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this girl likes the Spice girls.
Speaker 1: And I like the Spice girls. I have to talk
Speaker 1: to were because like we were in middle school, and
Speaker 1: so if you like, like that was a Spice girl,
Speaker 1: it was cool to like the Spice girl. It was
Speaker 1: the Spice girls, and they were in their prime anyway,
Speaker 1: if you you know, took it a little too far,
Speaker 1: like me, boy, but I don't care about stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love the Spice girls. So you
Speaker 1: guys have met each other so uh and then and
Speaker 1: then you lived together in college. We were friends in
Speaker 1: middle school, We were friends in high school. And then
Speaker 1: we both went to UH College in the city in
Speaker 1: New York. She went to f I T and then
Speaker 1: I went to SPS. Right. So, um, Karin was kind
Speaker 1: of like my only friend in the city at that
Speaker 1: point besides like the few people I had just met
Speaker 1: at school. So she had a love with me. So
Speaker 1: like we before I even moved to the city. We
Speaker 1: would like I would come and stay or dorm we'd
Speaker 1: go out like you know, so you were part of
Speaker 1: the you were you were guys hung out during your
Speaker 1: partying phase. Current. Yeah, well, Vicky's the one who gave
Speaker 1: me the nickname Current Fisher party animal. Oh is there
Speaker 1: a story you could tell us? Oh? God, you know
Speaker 1: some I'm excited you don't like about is going to
Speaker 1: kick me off this podcast. I'm actually curious to see
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking of some things in my head that
Speaker 1: I now Again, this is my favorite story, but I
Speaker 1: love It's very embarrassing for correct, go ahead, it's gonna
Speaker 1: this is probably gonna be brutal. I believe it was
Speaker 1: my like twenty three four birthday, and this is when
Speaker 1: we lived together. We lived together for like a year
Speaker 1: or two at this point, and um, we were in
Speaker 1: early twenties and we were just like going out all
Speaker 1: the time, drinking as much as we could, like having
Speaker 1: the time of our lives. So it was my birthday.
Speaker 1: My birthday is a few days before Christmas, and it
Speaker 1: was just I don't even know what she's gonna say,
Speaker 1: and I'm nervous. I was planning this huge party like
Speaker 1: down in the village at this my favorite bar, and
Speaker 1: it was like a Saturday, and it was and it
Speaker 1: just blizzard that day. We just got hit so bad
Speaker 1: by a blizzard and to my birthday already, Yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: much everyone canceled except for a couple of friends that
Speaker 1: I worked with and Karin, so I wouldn't have any
Speaker 1: So we're like, we don't care, we're going out in
Speaker 1: this blizzard. We're having birthday drinks. Okay, it's coming back
Speaker 1: to me now. So we went to this bar kind
Speaker 1: of like close to our apartments, and my work friends came.
Speaker 1: Karin didn't really know them very well. Um and Karin
Speaker 1: like she was just tossing them back. I mean we
Speaker 1: all were, yeah, but not Austin. I'm back, what are
Speaker 1: we talking? Because I like my first year of college,
Speaker 1: my roommate and I would uh would do five shots
Speaker 1: of rubbing alcohol. Vodka was cheap, and I think back
Speaker 1: to the I'm like, five fucking shots on a pretty
Speaker 1: much empty stomach so we could get drunk. What the
Speaker 1: what was that crazing? Like? We were poor, we had
Speaker 1: like no money to eat. We were always on empty
Speaker 1: stomachs at that point, right, And it really only took
Speaker 1: like like it really took like two drinks to get
Speaker 1: us like yeah, and then we were drinking hard alcohol.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't remember what the exact drink was,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure at that time it was either like
Speaker 1: it was whiskey, ginn er vodka. There's nothing else I
Speaker 1: would drinking. I never drank beer or wine, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't that sure. But you would you drink while you're
Speaker 1: getting ready, because that's my favorite time? Probably? I A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we're at the bar and you know, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a few of us Karns really drunk. She drops
Speaker 1: her phone. It falls, it bust into like a million pieces.
Speaker 1: It was one of those old flip phones. She tried
Speaker 1: to put it back together herself, and I was like, fish,
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't even try it. Don't even try it.
Speaker 1: So um, you know, it was getting a little bit late,
Speaker 1: and Crins just like I think I'm gonna go home,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, like you like you need somebody
Speaker 1: needs to walk you home your birthday. You didn't. You
Speaker 1: don't want somebody going home on the phone because then
Speaker 1: you can't. Okay. So my friends Janice was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving to like, I'll walk kurring out. I'll make
Speaker 1: sure you're responsible Asian woman. Yes, Janie is a friend.
Speaker 1: So um. So what she had told me after she
Speaker 1: had left was that they walked out of the bar
Speaker 1: and Karine just started running, running down Park Avenue in
Speaker 1: the blizzard to the night like no, there were no
Speaker 1: cars on the street. There was no there was like
Speaker 1: barely any light and Chris running into the blizzard. Now, Karin,
Speaker 1: come back, I remember this that you say it. I
Speaker 1: had not thought of this story. There's more running to
Speaker 1: where a bit. I don't know. You were so cool.
Speaker 1: I guess you're running home. Yeah, she must have been
Speaker 1: running home, I don't know. As soon as she said that,
Speaker 1: I knew why I ran And it's because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to have to make small talk with someone I
Speaker 1: didn't know that well. I've never heard a story that
Speaker 1: defines my personality more closely. And Janice is really nice.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know where that well and I and
Speaker 1: I if there's any I hate having to talk to
Speaker 1: people I don't know that well when it's one on
Speaker 1: really Okay, wait, guys, I don't think even done. I'm
Speaker 1: so scared, so I'm not. I had gone to my
Speaker 1: friend's apartment after the bar. We had ordered like delivery,
Speaker 1: which took like four hours in this so you hate
Speaker 1: that I didn't. I didn't get home. I don't think.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like four or four thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: I got home. So I get back to the apartment,
Speaker 1: and the front door apartment. The front doors open to
Speaker 1: the building or to your apartment, to our apartment. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like wide open. You ran right in it, but
Speaker 1: it was right and it wasn't like latched. I opened
Speaker 1: the door. All the lights are on. I don't dark,
Speaker 1: and I don't like the dark crews. The only person
Speaker 1: I know that could sleep in like full light told
Speaker 1: you like, I don't know how she does this. She
Speaker 1: scared ms I really, even the one she accidentally invites
Speaker 1: in by having an open door. Yeah, well, I opened
Speaker 1: the door, all the lights are on, and I find
Speaker 1: all Krane's bed sheets on the kitchen floor and like
Speaker 1: that we're on her bed or like new ones. So
Speaker 1: I look at her. Damn. I look at her room
Speaker 1: doors open, lights on Karta's butt naked in the fetal position,
Speaker 1: asleep on her bed, and I was just like her
Speaker 1: sheetless beds, yeah, barf anywhere. I was like, I I
Speaker 1: can't deal with this right now. So I'm just like
Speaker 1: white into my room and I was like, I'll do
Speaker 1: with this tomorrow. It turns out she had like thrown
Speaker 1: up in her bed that sounds like me, and dumped
Speaker 1: the sheets in the kitchen and then took the shower
Speaker 1: all while black out. Drop And that's my favorite Living
Speaker 1: with Curran story. I have more, but that was just
Speaker 1: my favorite one. More. That's great. Um, what if we
Speaker 1: just tricked you into be on the podcast and tell
Speaker 1: us about us? Honestly, I mean I want to know
Speaker 1: we didn't we can We're gonna go, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh there was one time she's on brand man. Boy,
Speaker 1: that's what I love about her, Like she has not
Speaker 1: changed at all. Yeah seventh grade girl fan, Yes, no,
Speaker 1: no progression but also no regression. Yes, that's not It's
Speaker 1: more than a lot of people could say. So just
Speaker 1: another like quick stupid story. I was like getting ready
Speaker 1: for work one morning. I think it's probably like six
Speaker 1: thirty seven in the morning. I'm getting ready and someone's
Speaker 1: banging on our door. So so Karin was in her
Speaker 1: room sleeping and I think her like boyfriend at the time,
Speaker 1: was sleeping over um and so no, I think it
Speaker 1: was Austin and so um, I'm like, I'm going into
Speaker 1: the kitchen to like open the door to see who
Speaker 1: the hell is banging on the door, banging like like
Speaker 1: banging fix scary banging on the door, and Karl and
Speaker 1: Austin instead of like getting up and and seeing is
Speaker 1: everything okay, he gets up and locks the bedroom door,
Speaker 1: not on bl Like I didn't know this happened until
Speaker 1: like later on when Krince told me. She's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Austin got up and locked the door using one out there,
Speaker 1: and I'm thanky, you're on your own. I'm not sucking,
Speaker 1: And I opened the doors. This guy with this bloody
Speaker 1: face asked me if he lets the cell phone lost? Now,
Speaker 1: did you have a party at your apartment the night
Speaker 1: before WHOA, all right, how come you remember this green?
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember her telling me about I don't
Speaker 1: remember the knocking. I remember this bloody face. Who was it?
Speaker 1: We still don't know who that was, just some randall.
Speaker 1: So they probably got the wrong apartment. Yeah, they probably
Speaker 1: they're building the wrong apartment. Probably they're probably on bloody
Speaker 1: or something. It wasn't like fresh blood. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was like like we left the building door open and
Speaker 1: that's how we got. But we had some good times.
Speaker 1: They're like when we stayed up super late for like
Speaker 1: our finals. Like I would be up all night sewing
Speaker 1: COREN and be up all night editing, and then like
Speaker 1: we would take a break at like two am to
Speaker 1: like make cake soup. Cake cake soup. Is that where
Speaker 1: you put it in the coffee cup and you microwave it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's when you make recipe you mix it with ice
Speaker 1: cream and you just eat like the cake in the
Speaker 1: ice cream soup. It's just hot cake, but it's more
Speaker 1: fun to call it cake. Sup. It does it does
Speaker 1: get a soup like consistent. That was a Kathy Griffin.
Speaker 1: Did you ever overhear Karen um fucking or masturbating while
Speaker 1: you live together. Um, I've definitely heard her having sex.
Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard her masturbating. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: think i've I probably mastered me like two times in
Speaker 1: that part. I don't. I don't ask you, okay, and
Speaker 1: it's very silent when I do. Right, Um, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you for that. Thank you. I wanted
Speaker 1: some exclusive Corinci nice to be herself even. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have great blackouts because I now that you say it,
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me these things, and I actually
Speaker 1: remember vaguely remember I remember the scene of us in
Speaker 1: the snow and me running vaguely, but I don't remember
Speaker 1: dropping my phone. But I always try to forget about that. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to you, Bicky. What was you? What? How
Speaker 1: did you say? How did you sexually blossom into the
Speaker 1: woman you are today? Well, I'm not like, I'm not
Speaker 1: a relationship person. Like I've maybe had like three boyfriends
Speaker 1: in my whole life. Um, but I've dated a lot
Speaker 1: like my whole I felt like my whole twenties, I
Speaker 1: was just like kind of dating around, trying to meet
Speaker 1: someone like I clicked with. There's someone that I liked
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know. I've just had like so
Speaker 1: many bad experiences that at this point in my life
Speaker 1: makes you like but are off by yourself. It's like
Speaker 1: not worth it? What are the bad one? More trouble
Speaker 1: to like go through the motions of trying to sleep
Speaker 1: with somebody than it is to just be like you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going home. Yeah, well, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I remember you telling me about
Speaker 1: losing your virginity because it was such a bloody mess.
Speaker 1: What oh, um, I don't think that wasn't like my
Speaker 1: first time that happened. It was like the first time
Speaker 1: I did it, it was just like normal whatever. It
Speaker 1: was the same guy though it was with like one
Speaker 1: of my good friends like ex boyfriends, and like like
Speaker 1: I don't know I was that was really funked up
Speaker 1: with me. I didn't know that happened seventeen yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was like it was like problem weekend, Like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, your original problem was he No? No, he
Speaker 1: was like no he was my friend's ex boyfriend, and
Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah it was in virginity. I was
Speaker 1: like then the car story that I'm thinking of that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was with my boyfriend store, and he just had
Speaker 1: like a bigger dick, and like that's why it would
Speaker 1: like hurt, and like I would like how big it was?
Speaker 1: Pretty big. It's like pretty big and girthy and actually
Speaker 1: a very nice person. No, no, no, I would say
Speaker 1: maybe like eight, Okay, yeah, I must have just like
Speaker 1: a tiny badge because it is like a good, solid
Speaker 1: above normal. And plus this is only maybe like my
Speaker 1: second or third time I had sex ever. Yeah and
Speaker 1: um yea yeah, like a lot, like it looked like
Speaker 1: somebody had been murdered. Like it was really scary in
Speaker 1: the back of my car because I remember her telling
Speaker 1: me that she had to clean this up, and I
Speaker 1: was like, and I'm you know what, I'm still dealing
Speaker 1: with these problems in my thirties. You still believe the
Speaker 1: last guy that I was hooking up with, he was
Speaker 1: kind of like a fun buddy, like we're friends, but
Speaker 1: we're not like trying to date or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And we got along really well, and I actually liked
Speaker 1: hanging out with him and stuff. But like every time
Speaker 1: he's like half Dominican half Puerto Rican, huge dick, and
Speaker 1: you know, when we would hook up, it would just
Speaker 1: hurt too much. And I was just like, I'm sorry, bro,
Speaker 1: like I can't, I can't. We can't do this anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I mean we're still friends, but you can get tear.
Speaker 1: I said to him. I was like, does this that
Speaker 1: this is ever happening before? And he's like actually yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I poor me. I was such a huge because
Speaker 1: you were just talking about this with someone else and
Speaker 1: she said something about what you know, well, at least
Speaker 1: this guy could get it hard, because let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I have like the worst, the worst luck streak when
Speaker 1: it comes to Olympics. You are the queen of Olympics.
Speaker 1: I am the queen of proclaims fortunate Olympics encounter and
Speaker 1: so much so that you're that you're our friend. Had
Speaker 1: to tell you that you had to tell you. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: when you see Karin and Christina tell them about all
Speaker 1: the Olympics, And I'm like, how many Limpics? So if
Speaker 1: it were like two or three in my lifetime, I
Speaker 1: would write that off as like bad timing two or
Speaker 1: three guys, or two or three times guys. Okay, so
Speaker 1: just like who could never consistently get up? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm probably up to nine or ten at this point. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I have a close friend who has a very similar
Speaker 1: experience and she takes it personally, which I understand, but
Speaker 1: I do know that sometimes this is from a listening
Speaker 1: to episode of Dan Savages podcast where a guy called it.
Speaker 1: And sometimes guys, if they really want to have sex
Speaker 1: with that person, with that girl or guy, and they
Speaker 1: get excited, they can almost psyche themselves out and not
Speaker 1: get hard. So not necessarily reflection on you. Well here's
Speaker 1: another thing. So yeah, I don't think that's any I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I mean there was this one guy
Speaker 1: who I knew he really liked me, and um, he
Speaker 1: had been in like a three year relationship. They had
Speaker 1: just broken up and he was like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: hang out and I was like, all right, I know
Speaker 1: you want to fuck, so, um, you know, we're back
Speaker 1: at my apartment hooking up whatever. And he couldn't get
Speaker 1: it up and he started to cry, and like I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, oh no, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 1: You can't get it up and you're now you're crying.
Speaker 1: I feel so uncomfortable there we saying thing. Was he drunk?
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't drunk. He was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: he was sober crying. Yeah, oh my god, he was
Speaker 1: probably going through emotional turmoil from the and then just
Speaker 1: the idea of like having sexual inner courts with another
Speaker 1: woman more further solidifies the fact that she's a person
Speaker 1: maybe lucky me. So there was another time a guy wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: did you do hold on? What did you do start?
Speaker 1: Did you trying? Did you rub his shoulders? And did
Speaker 1: you suck his dick. I'm not the type of person
Speaker 1: that's gonna like sit there and rub your back, Okan.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I think everyone knows, but that by
Speaker 1: the fact that we have a friendship that you are
Speaker 1: I'm just like, dude, find your pants, get the funk out,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get pizza. He was sad and you
Speaker 1: need to talk to somebody. I want to get about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there was another time this guy came over and,
Speaker 1: you know, drinking some wine, you know, watching TV Olymptic
Speaker 1: sizzle real looking up because it's not just Olympic, there's
Speaker 1: only something that happens after. I love that. So this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, fooling around. He can't get it up, and
Speaker 1: so it was just like, Okay, this is not happening.
Speaker 1: Let's go outside smoke a blunt. So he gets up
Speaker 1: and he fainted and I had to catch those too much.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, just lay down, go to bed.
Speaker 1: Like he was in his his like full like he
Speaker 1: was getting ready to like go outside. He had his
Speaker 1: jacket on his pants, and I was like, just like
Speaker 1: just go to sleep. And you know, he didn't call
Speaker 1: on n one. I mean, I don't know, people get
Speaker 1: freaked out. He he was okay, yeah, I don't know. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then usually don't have to faint. I mean, call
Speaker 1: anyone one of someone faints drama. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: gave him some water and like some food. I just
Speaker 1: go to sleep and you're not you're yeah, And then
Speaker 1: that's a Jersey girl. What right? But there's another thing
Speaker 1: I was going to say, oh, and then I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is nowadays, but guys in they're like
Speaker 1: late twenties and thirties like that their new thing is
Speaker 1: they don't want to use condoms. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: not my boyfriend, like we have to use condoms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not trying to catch nothing, you know, STDs
Speaker 1: or nothing like that. I'm not trying to get pregnant
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get HPV for the third time, Like,
Speaker 1: give me HPV once, shame on me. So then they
Speaker 1: go they're like okay, line, they go to put the
Speaker 1: condom on and they can't get it up, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I give up, I give up. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: and that, yeah, that pisces me off. I think that
Speaker 1: one guy's like calling them, well, let's start masturbating with condom.
Speaker 1: Come back to me when you can, because otherwise we're
Speaker 1: not sucking. Where are you meeting the guys you don't
Speaker 1: want to wear condoms? I'm curious, Murray Hill, Baby, the condoms, bros. Um,
Speaker 1: these are just guys that I like, I've known, I've
Speaker 1: been friends with, I haven't gone out on a date,
Speaker 1: and like, I can't even tell you the last time.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to meet guys when all you do
Speaker 1: is hang out at gay bars, and although they're I'm
Speaker 1: constantly surrounded by good looking men, none of them want
Speaker 1: to suck me, right, which I like, I mean that
Speaker 1: kind of fun. But then after a while, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, yeah, there are times where you know,
Speaker 1: you know, after a show or you know, I'm out
Speaker 1: and and we're having a good time and I see
Speaker 1: somebody that I want to talk to you, I've talked
Speaker 1: to them for five minutes and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like a cute guy walks by and I become invisible
Speaker 1: and they're like like they don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: me anymore, and I'm just kind of like, okay, thine,
Speaker 1: have you ever had a guy one of you limp dickers?
Speaker 1: Uh tell you beforehand, Hey, this is a problem I have,
Speaker 1: so if it happens, it's not you or wow. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it seems they're just like fighting beside manner.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, have you ever have you ever
Speaker 1: like what's the fourth place situation? Is it? Like you
Speaker 1: suck their dick? And it's because man, when you got
Speaker 1: a wet noodle in your mouth and you keep sucking,
Speaker 1: you keep sucking and stop me Like I'll try, I'll
Speaker 1: try to like work on it, you know, put the working.
Speaker 1: And then they kind of just like pushed me off
Speaker 1: and then they go down on me for like ever
Speaker 1: and I'm okay, I'm getting bored, like can you can
Speaker 1: you get it up? A you're gonna suck me? Or
Speaker 1: is this it for the night? Yeah? And that's that's
Speaker 1: because especially it's a casual thing. It's like the sex
Speaker 1: is the point here and I can't have it. Or
Speaker 1: if you don't like it's like going down, Like how
Speaker 1: do you like getting when guys go down on you?
Speaker 1: Or it's like it's okay, I like it, like as
Speaker 1: like an appetizer, Like it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: a tease when ready for the day. Typically, are these
Speaker 1: people who have the Olympic issue? Are they better than
Speaker 1: average at oral sex? Um? No, I'm just saying because
Speaker 1: I'm like that's like my thing. I'm like, you couldn't
Speaker 1: you couldn't work around Like to me, it's like you
Speaker 1: have to get really good at oral sex if you
Speaker 1: can't get it up that often, or if you have
Speaker 1: a small penis, like you can work around those things,
Speaker 1: but you have to bring something else to the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I can I can only come from sex. I can't.
Speaker 1: I've never you can't come from oral so I've never
Speaker 1: had an orgasm or because for me, it's like that's
Speaker 1: like the easiest way to come. It's like oral sex.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, vagina is so different. When we're reading
Speaker 1: the book I researched, I'm like, why can some girls
Speaker 1: come from set like they have like magical vaginas. I
Speaker 1: wish I could come from just sex, but I need
Speaker 1: a lot, need vibrator on me and dick and me
Speaker 1: and whatever. Damn production. So when was the last time
Speaker 1: we went on a date? Well, okay, so I went out.
Speaker 1: I was like interested in this guy. Um, I had
Speaker 1: met him at a gay bar, but he was He's straight.
Speaker 1: He works there. He's like a bartender, ridiculously good looking,
Speaker 1: like amazing body. He's like bartender slash like male model,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, he comes to some of my
Speaker 1: shows and he's actually the only person I've ever made
Speaker 1: out with in drag. Like I've never had sex in drag,
Speaker 1: but like I made out with this guy in drag
Speaker 1: and I remember like my face afterward, like I had
Speaker 1: on this black lipstick and by the end of the
Speaker 1: night it looked like I had a full like goatee.
Speaker 1: It was scary, like my eyebrows were like totally coming through.
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, how could this
Speaker 1: guy even like want to look at me Like I
Speaker 1: look like maybe yeah, maybe like a drenched clown right now,
Speaker 1: but you know, we um he wanted to you know,
Speaker 1: we would hang out. We would go, you know, have drinks,
Speaker 1: and then he would go to work or something like that.
Speaker 1: And then, um, the last time I saw him, we
Speaker 1: he took me out like to like a really nice
Speaker 1: steak dinner. He's like, oh, let's go to this steakhouse.
Speaker 1: Let's go get dinner. And I was like, okay, this
Speaker 1: sounds really good, like you know. So he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll meet at seven. Seven o'clock comes, I haven't heard
Speaker 1: from him. I'm like dressing ready to go. This guy
Speaker 1: was two hours late, and so by the time by
Speaker 1: the time he got there, I was already like mad
Speaker 1: at him. Yeah, did he tell you like a reason
Speaker 1: that he was late? He fell asleep? He feel asleep.
Speaker 1: And then when it was when we're supposed to meet
Speaker 1: at seven, you know, he like, um, he's like so
Speaker 1: sleep well, he like, he's a bartender, so he works
Speaker 1: at night and then as a male model during the day.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure this guy gets like no sleep, So
Speaker 1: whatever you're but then he had to get up and
Speaker 1: then he had to hour and get dressed and get
Speaker 1: all the way there, so he was like two hours late.
Speaker 1: So I was already annoyed. Um, but I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's like a state dinner, Like I'll
Speaker 1: suck it up. I'll wait at two hours, like it's
Speaker 1: a nice place, like like I haven't were you at
Speaker 1: the restaurant? Were at your apartment? I was, Um, I
Speaker 1: was at my apartment and then I was at the restaurant.
Speaker 1: So I waited for like an hour, and then I
Speaker 1: waited for like another hour. Damn. So but he shows
Speaker 1: up and he just like looks like so hot. I
Speaker 1: was just like okay. So then we're sitting and having
Speaker 1: dinner and the waiter comes over and it's his roommate.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh he had an Yeah, I'm like okay that.
Speaker 1: I'm like that's fine, you know, I think he's still
Speaker 1: paid for everything and like whatever. But we went out
Speaker 1: afterwards to a bar and his other roommate was there.
Speaker 1: It turned into like their friends night, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of I just felt like the ancessory. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: after you know, I had a couple of drinks and
Speaker 1: after I left, I was kind of just like, so
Speaker 1: was that a date or was that like hang out?
Speaker 1: He's like can it be both? And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: like it be both. The guy that's why no one
Speaker 1: needs to get hoppy. But this isn't even the first
Speaker 1: time this has happened. I've gone out with guys before
Speaker 1: and it starts off just the two of us and
Speaker 1: then by the end of the night all their friends
Speaker 1: show up something. Yeah, I mean I have only done
Speaker 1: that when I want to, when I want to make
Speaker 1: it very clear that this is not a date. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, I feel great about it, and then
Speaker 1: I don't know with anyone for a while. This is
Speaker 1: whatever do you think? I mean, do you think there's
Speaker 1: anything that like you're you're doing that's giving off a
Speaker 1: signal that it's like it's a hey, like are you
Speaker 1: because sometimes, like for me, I'm I play it too
Speaker 1: cool where people don't know if I'm interested. So I
Speaker 1: think there's like a lot of confusion sometimes when I'm
Speaker 1: going on dates. But like I've lived with you, and
Speaker 1: I've like known when you had crushes on people, and
Speaker 1: you seem to be pretty clear, like like we've you know,
Speaker 1: we've authored some texts messages together two boys. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so that's so confusing. I don't know, honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: eve really have time to date anymore. I've been so busy,
Speaker 1: like with my obviously my day job, which is like
Speaker 1: busy all the time. We've been going through all these changes.
Speaker 1: Fashion designer. I'm a fashion designer. I designed children's close. Um,
Speaker 1: my company just merged with another company. We had to move.
Speaker 1: It was like very stressful. Um, you don't want to
Speaker 1: welcome in more because dating is stressful. Dating is most
Speaker 1: of it won't go well, right. You can pretty much
Speaker 1: guarantee that. Yeah, if relationships were easy, like everyone would
Speaker 1: have one. So true. But it's interesting to me because
Speaker 1: I feel like I remember growing up like you. I
Speaker 1: remember you saying you kind of just wanted to be
Speaker 1: a stay at home mom and watch like Oprah and
Speaker 1: like eat candy or something like this was like that's
Speaker 1: ages ago. Yeah, Like it seems like things have changed
Speaker 1: drastically totally. Well, when you spend twelve years like dating
Speaker 1: around and not meeting anyone and just having all these
Speaker 1: bad experiences, you're kind of just like, well, maybe this
Speaker 1: is not the path that my life is supposed to
Speaker 1: take me. I'm supposed to do something else. Yeah, Because
Speaker 1: some people think that like, oh I have to find
Speaker 1: somebody and settle down, but like that's not required for anybody.
Speaker 1: It's just socially people assume that's what's gonna happen, right,
Speaker 1: but like you don't have to be that doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense for everybody. And even like I met this guy
Speaker 1: like my last boyfriend, Like I like, you know how
Speaker 1: when people say like like when you meet the one,
Speaker 1: you'll know it. Like when I met him, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's the one, Like I love him,
Speaker 1: like we're like about him. Um. He was just like
Speaker 1: so I felt like I could trust him very easily,
Speaker 1: Like he seemed like very honest and just he had
Speaker 1: these like big brown eyes that I like love like
Speaker 1: such a sucker, like like big brown eyes and brown
Speaker 1: hair and like tattooed guys like, and I could tell
Speaker 1: he was like very smart, like a hard worker, and
Speaker 1: like you know, we would he was like we would
Speaker 1: constantly be like texting all day, you know, and we
Speaker 1: had like I liked his friends, Like we had like
Speaker 1: a really good relationship. Yeah, it was a good fit.
Speaker 1: Um and and you did. Look I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of pictures you guys and lobster boobs together. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I really like I was really happy with him,
Speaker 1: Like we had a lot of common interests and stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was of our tender and he
Speaker 1: worked at night and I worked during the day, so
Speaker 1: we really only saw each other maybe like once a
Speaker 1: week or whatever. Um, and you know, we had gone
Speaker 1: through some hard times, like one of his good friends
Speaker 1: had passed away, and I think I got a promotion
Speaker 1: at work, so he was working more hours. And I
Speaker 1: think that was like the turning point in the relationship
Speaker 1: where he was just kind of like I'm really overwhelmed
Speaker 1: with everything in my life and like he just don't me,
Speaker 1: like you know, and like I was heartbroken. I was
Speaker 1: like completely just devastated. Um. It's like hard for me
Speaker 1: to even like talk about like it's still good emotional
Speaker 1: they think about it. Could you could? I've cried over
Speaker 1: well really one breakup on this podcast a lot, but
Speaker 1: it's like fucking terrible. Yeah. Well, and like the reason
Speaker 1: that it's ending is not because you guys are so
Speaker 1: it's not even like you haven't work. Yeah. Um, but
Speaker 1: I like my like I was just like emotionally like
Speaker 1: shattered after that, and UM seen him since, Oh god, no,
Speaker 1: he's completely like, um, like I don't know, like I
Speaker 1: whenever I break up with a guy, like they're just
Speaker 1: had to cut them out like completely. That's probably the
Speaker 1: more healthy options. Otherwise I'm never going to get over
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not keep talking like I can't do that.
Speaker 1: Like it was just like everything unfriend and follow everything
Speaker 1: like just I had to throw I had to throw
Speaker 1: away every my bed sheets. I had to throw an
Speaker 1: old hoodies that Hee gave me any like kind of
Speaker 1: gift and he never reminded. Yeah, it had to rearrangement
Speaker 1: whole apartment like um. But there was a really long
Speaker 1: time in my life where I was just like a zombie.
Speaker 1: I I would go to work, I would go to
Speaker 1: the gym, and I would go home. I didn't have
Speaker 1: like I didn't even text my friends back. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to make any plans. I was just I had
Speaker 1: no depression, no motivation like whatsoever. Just like and it
Speaker 1: was like this for like a year and a half,
Speaker 1: like a long time, and like my parents would just
Speaker 1: be like, why are you in a bad mood all
Speaker 1: the time, and I was just like I'm just not
Speaker 1: I'm not happy, you know. And I didn't like and
Speaker 1: just the thought of like having to dive back into
Speaker 1: the dating pool, Oh my god, that was probably worse
Speaker 1: than the thought of being alone. Yeah. So, um, this
Speaker 1: is actually kind of how I got into drag because, um,
Speaker 1: after like a year and a half of just like
Speaker 1: zombie mode, like dark place, Um, I'd reconnected with my
Speaker 1: friend Wesley from high school. Uh f I t um.
Speaker 1: And he's like so like one of the most fabulous
Speaker 1: people I've ever met, Like he has like such a
Speaker 1: great sense of style. He like knows so much about fashion.
Speaker 1: I just like love being around him. And I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen him in a really long time and we had
Speaker 1: reconnected and I met his new I met his boyfriend Maxwell,
Speaker 1: who was like Maxwell, Oh, I love him. Get him
Speaker 1: at the magazine. Yes, Yeah, and Maxwell is like just
Speaker 1: like such so stylish, so stylish. I just like being
Speaker 1: around the two of them was just like such a
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. And yeah, that that was the
Speaker 1: reinvigorating energy needed. They were the people in my life
Speaker 1: who were just like Vicky, like, no, you're coming out
Speaker 1: with us, We're gonna have fun. Sometimes you need some
Speaker 1: gay men to force you. Yeah. They were actually amazing.
Speaker 1: They would invite me to these shows like no, you're coming, Like,
Speaker 1: don't give me an excuse. Like come out with us
Speaker 1: and I have a great time. And so part of
Speaker 1: this was they would go every Monday to Boxers to
Speaker 1: watch um RuPaul's drag race. So I would start coming
Speaker 1: with them and like obviously, like I got very into it,
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy. It's like it's like sports, like for
Speaker 1: the way the way straight people watch football is like
Speaker 1: the way like gay a gay bar will watch RuPaul's
Speaker 1: drag race like it's a competitive show. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. The bar was packed, people were like silent.
Speaker 1: People are so into it. They were cheering, they were
Speaker 1: like booing. It was like, oh my god, it was
Speaker 1: so exciting. And I'm like watching these drag queens and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, these queens are like stunning beautiful,
Speaker 1: like holy sh it, like these are men like and
Speaker 1: their makeup. I think, like you know, like like beauty
Speaker 1: bloggers and like celebrities these days, they're like ninety pounds.
Speaker 1: They're usually these like privileged kids who were like turn models,
Speaker 1: who like are like person turned to model, like like
Speaker 1: fucking Bellahadid and although like who else just these Kendall
Speaker 1: gender all these like completely unrealistic beauty standards. You look
Speaker 1: at these women and you're just like I feel bad
Speaker 1: about myself, like looking at these women, like young girls
Speaker 1: probably think this, adult women probably think this. It's just
Speaker 1: like I'm never going to be that skinny, that rich,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be twenty two again, and like you
Speaker 1: just it makes you like even more insecure. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking at these drag queens and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: these are men. The transformation is unbelievable. And it was
Speaker 1: almost like to and it was like motivating. I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I gotta stet my pussy up. Like this is all
Speaker 1: makeup and like fake hair and like good clothes, and
Speaker 1: like I like I need I need to know their secret.
Speaker 1: And the way that drag queens move in high heels
Speaker 1: totally totally. I've seen them like lip sinking for their life,
Speaker 1: doing backflips and death drops and high heels and these
Speaker 1: huge wigs, and I'm just like what so, um, you know,
Speaker 1: after the show, like after the season that we had
Speaker 1: watched ended, um, I was like, okay, well I need
Speaker 1: more now. And once Max, well, they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't really have time to go to drag shows
Speaker 1: and stuff, but you know, you can probably like find
Speaker 1: some queens on YouTube or Instagram or something. And I
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, okay, you know, because I
Speaker 1: was still spending a lot of time at home by myself.
Speaker 1: So I just would watch all these drag performances on
Speaker 1: YouTube and these like makeup tutorials, and then I would
Speaker 1: start buying like the makeup that they recommended, and I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe I should just buy a wig, like
Speaker 1: I'll wear it on like Halloween, but like I would
Speaker 1: just like like to have one, just to have one.
Speaker 1: And I put it on and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, wish I looked like this all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I kind of got my
Speaker 1: start and drag. And then the thing that really changed
Speaker 1: for me was um, for my birthday, Laura had bought
Speaker 1: me Willem's book suck Less and then and there it's
Speaker 1: like a Q and a section and it was like, well,
Speaker 1: Will'm like, what do I do if I love drag
Speaker 1: but I I don't want to go out by myself.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone else that likes drag? Question right?
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh my god. And his
Speaker 1: answer was so like it was like a joke and
Speaker 1: it was like stupid, but it was like so like smart.
Speaker 1: At the same time, he was like, well, as long
Speaker 1: as you have alcohol on your side, you're never really alone. Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 1: I started to go to drag shows in the city
Speaker 1: by myself, and I was like, you know, I'll just
Speaker 1: have a couple Like I'm something very introverted normally most
Speaker 1: of the time, and like, but you're also one of
Speaker 1: the most fun people I know and always have been.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you. We go back a really long time. Like,
Speaker 1: so me like kind of like putting on my wig
Speaker 1: and my like drag makeup, which was like horrible at
Speaker 1: the time. It was just like chunky glue on my
Speaker 1: eyebrows and like a pink lip and like a lot
Speaker 1: of blush and like a wig. Yeah, like I said, um,
Speaker 1: and I would go to these like gay bars by myself.
Speaker 1: You walk in and like everyone would look at you
Speaker 1: and like size you up, and you're just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, very intimidateing. How would you go to see
Speaker 1: drag shows in drag Yeah, I mean I would like
Speaker 1: do like my version of like yeah, so I um
Speaker 1: So my first drag show like in the city was
Speaker 1: at Rise Bar Um and it was to go see
Speaker 1: Um Aquaria and Andorra and their guests that night was
Speaker 1: Aja and so I, you know, I cut on my
Speaker 1: best wig, I tried to do my makeup and like
Speaker 1: I went and like, um, did you know Aquaria's work
Speaker 1: before this? I mean yeah, I had been following like
Speaker 1: a lot of local queens on Instagram as you recommend,
Speaker 1: which is just how I like found the shows. So um,
Speaker 1: I had been following both Um Aquaria and Asia separately,
Speaker 1: Um and UM. I saw that they were before me
Speaker 1: together and I was like, Okay, this is the show.
Speaker 1: I'm going to this one. So, you know, I went
Speaker 1: to the show. You have a couple of drinks to
Speaker 1: start talking to people and like loosen up a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well for the advice, will um.
Speaker 1: You know. So I started like making like friends there
Speaker 1: and stuff, and yeah, it's welcoming if you're not a
Speaker 1: gay man, basically, I mean it's like it's weird because
Speaker 1: it is. It's so welcoming. By the same time, it's
Speaker 1: so judgmental. It's very like everyone looks at you and
Speaker 1: sizes and then you immediately become invisible. It's crazy. It's
Speaker 1: very weird. Okay, Okay, Steven and I went and saw
Speaker 1: a drag show in Boston. Behind our hotel is like
Speaker 1: an alleyway and it was just this bar. No one
Speaker 1: was there, and then before the show started, like twenty
Speaker 1: people came in to watch, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is the best thing ever. No one knows this is here,
Speaker 1: this is well, this was not my first drag show ever,
Speaker 1: like I had been to many drag shows like before,
Speaker 1: like something in Jersey, Like I think the first drag
Speaker 1: driver went too with you Karin for my seventeenth birthday. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was Lucky. Yeah, it's like back in
Speaker 1: the day, I gave everyone, Um Kendall dressed in drag
Speaker 1: and it said Karin's seventeenth birthday definitely not a drag
Speaker 1: You see what I did there? Oh my god, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's my first. This is like my first really intense,
Speaker 1: fabulous Manhattan like drag show. So the show was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: Um and Dora came out. She was like servant, look
Speaker 1: after look after look And then Aquarie and did a
Speaker 1: number together and they did I think it was Ariana
Speaker 1: Grande side to side and there's a point in the
Speaker 1: song where the two of them like jump and drop
Speaker 1: into a split at the same time. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: let me tell you when they're fucking pussies hit the stage.
Speaker 1: At that moment I saw God, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was it. That's the night it all changed for
Speaker 1: me when my interest in drag became like full blown
Speaker 1: obsession and so unlike I took actions with them, I
Speaker 1: felt like the hottest ship. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like this is like the most fun I've ever had,
Speaker 1: like in the past, like a million years. And so
Speaker 1: you know, they said to me, like we're here every Wednesday,
Speaker 1: like you can come back and come as much as
Speaker 1: you want. So I was just like, yeah, totally, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do that. And so I saw thirst girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I would come back week after week and like
Speaker 1: I would just kind of I would come in drag
Speaker 1: and I would just work on my drag looks. And
Speaker 1: even though like the show was look like you know,
Speaker 1: like hire or like you look like you have to
Speaker 1: you have to coordinate the makeup and the hair and
Speaker 1: the outfit. You have to kind of coordinate it all together.
Speaker 1: So it looked like, I mean, I'm a designer by nature,
Speaker 1: so that's perfect. So I wanted to like make like
Speaker 1: serve like a cohesive look, even though at this point
Speaker 1: when I was just starting, I was just like a
Speaker 1: girl in a wig still, but they were also nice
Speaker 1: to me, like, you know, because I actually take so
Speaker 1: much work into it. Yeah, I mean I really wanted
Speaker 1: to try to impress them, like that was my thing.
Speaker 1: Like I just just kept trying to impress them. And
Speaker 1: then there were times where I was just like it
Speaker 1: was snowing out, it was so cold, I was so
Speaker 1: tired from work, and it would have been so easy
Speaker 1: just to be like, I'm not going tonight. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it tonight, I'm not doing it, but I like
Speaker 1: pushed myself. I was like, no, you're not going to
Speaker 1: get any better at this unless you keep doing it consistently.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of um how I started doing like
Speaker 1: drag books, and I was getting, you know, better and
Speaker 1: better at it. And I knew that I had really
Speaker 1: like like gone to another level when I was mistaken
Speaker 1: for like a boy and drag like, so I thought
Speaker 1: when women entered drag, they dress up as men, so no,
Speaker 1: make like a fake beard, right, So that's that they
Speaker 1: that I've seen that. Yeah, that's that's called drag kings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when women dress up as um men and perform and
Speaker 1: there are so many good ones out there and they're
Speaker 1: drag kings, um and so um. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: the reason I got into drags so late in my
Speaker 1: life was because I never thought that, you know, women
Speaker 1: could do it. It was something you know, it was
Speaker 1: always men and um. I was like nobody, like, like,
Speaker 1: I can't do this a woman like. And then after
Speaker 1: you know, watching all this like drag Race and like
Speaker 1: just really like growing like such an interest in it,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it's not fair. It's not
Speaker 1: fair that like I can't do this because I'm a woman,
Speaker 1: like I really and at that point I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just gonna do it. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go with it and like maybe I'll meet some
Speaker 1: other women that like drags. At that point, you didn't
Speaker 1: know I don't know any. I don't know any. I
Speaker 1: don't have any friends besides really Wesley Maxwell and like
Speaker 1: a couple of my gay friends that like they liked drag,
Speaker 1: but they weren't like they didn't have the same level.
Speaker 1: Yeah that and we're the gay men who were drag
Speaker 1: queens around you were they cool with that? Did anybody
Speaker 1: give you ship? Yeah? No, I've been very lucky. Like everyone,
Speaker 1: especially in New York, everyone's so open minded and like
Speaker 1: very forward thinking. Like everyone has just been like so supportive.
Speaker 1: I mean, if people talk it, it's not to my face.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Um, yeah, I was talking to
Speaker 1: Vicky about this that when when when we went out
Speaker 1: the other night, just because I have you know, like
Speaker 1: everyone tries to make everything like some PC social issue
Speaker 1: and then they're like, well, you know, some made it
Speaker 1: something made up reason why girls can't do something or
Speaker 1: why women can't do something, and I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to have that argument, it's like,
Speaker 1: well you're kind of like telling almost like what the
Speaker 1: ultimate female standard is. So then it's like you could
Speaker 1: just hit them back with yeah, everything. It's it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like if you're doing things
Speaker 1: with like a good intention because you truly love and
Speaker 1: respect the art, like that's all you really need. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I do. I do feel like as a woman,
Speaker 1: I definitely have to work a little bit harder to
Speaker 1: try to get people to take me seriously and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, especially Um, once I started performing, did you
Speaker 1: worry all you want to do? Well? No? No, this
Speaker 1: was like not something I had planned at all. Whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to be like, yeah, I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: a whole new chapter in my life, I go to
Speaker 1: become a drag queen. And no, it's not like that
Speaker 1: at all. It was like an interest that just kind
Speaker 1: of snowballed and just like um, you know, developed developed. Right.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where like it kind of
Speaker 1: found you kind of and then you ran towards you're
Speaker 1: like ship and embraced it. You know. My most of
Speaker 1: my life everything has just gone wrong for me, like
Speaker 1: nothing goes right. But for some reason, once I started
Speaker 1: doing this drag stuff, everything had been going right, like
Speaker 1: this is crazy, yeah, and it was making me happy,
Speaker 1: which was like the first time in my life that
Speaker 1: I really felt like I was doing this for myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like you know, obviously I'm not trying to do
Speaker 1: it to like meet guys in date, Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to do it because yeah, my my my family
Speaker 1: is just like why don't why aren't you married with
Speaker 1: a baby yet? And really, yeah, like I get that.
Speaker 1: I'm totally pressured from my family like about that stuff,
Speaker 1: especially now I'm thirty two. Um, I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of women in their early thirties or late twenties
Speaker 1: get that. That's when you start getting that. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: how about worry about your own life? Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: that's ably I'm going to do with if I want to.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, the most important thing is
Speaker 1: making me happy, and this makes me happy, So I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it. That's awesome, And the minute it
Speaker 1: stops making me happy, then I'll quite. But honestly, everything's
Speaker 1: been going so well I've been I'm in the past
Speaker 1: like a year or so that i've been doing drag.
Speaker 1: I have met so many wonderful people, and like there
Speaker 1: was a point in my life like where I was
Speaker 1: just like, I guess that's it for me. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to meet anyone else unless I you know, have
Speaker 1: a new friend at work or my sister has a
Speaker 1: new boyfriend who has some Yeah. But then it's like
Speaker 1: as anyone, as an adult, it is much harder to
Speaker 1: make friends and when you're sure, and this past year
Speaker 1: I have made so many friends. It's such a blessing.
Speaker 1: I'm just like Wow, all these people like that share
Speaker 1: the team interests me. And like that's why we always
Speaker 1: say when people write into us and they're saying, like,
Speaker 1: how do I meet people? How do I find something
Speaker 1: that you love? But like an activity like an extracurricular
Speaker 1: that you really love, or that you could love, or
Speaker 1: that you want to explore, or that you could force
Speaker 1: yourself to love if you really need, really try hard.
Speaker 1: But that's the best way to meet anybody friends, potential
Speaker 1: sex partners or potential partner of life partners or whatever
Speaker 1: the fun because that common interest you're already have to
Speaker 1: taken care of. And it's also like a great way
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're meeting people, like for the
Speaker 1: right reasons and like not forcing yourself into a situation
Speaker 1: like like because you always want the romance to happen organically,
Speaker 1: so it's like you never know, like who's gonna drag
Speaker 1: their friends that Like I certainly dragged the I dragged
Speaker 1: like a straight guys there, And like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to be pretty much sold us to go to
Speaker 1: a drag show and not fucking well of it. Dude,
Speaker 1: Steven and I have the best time in our lives.
Speaker 1: It was It's amazing, such a great almost higher level
Speaker 1: of performance that I've never experienced only except at a
Speaker 1: drag show. Like beauty and and comedy all in one,
Speaker 1: because I've I've credited drag queens many times on the
Speaker 1: podcast with me being a funny person. It's like, where
Speaker 1: are the places I learned to be funny? My dad,
Speaker 1: my gay friends, and drag queens. Drag queens are fucking funny,
Speaker 1: and they're fearless. They all tell people truth. They have
Speaker 1: such this this like unbridled confidence that it's just like
Speaker 1: so inspiring. It just ends very uplifting and and I
Speaker 1: find that when performing do you find that you have
Speaker 1: this Like here's the thing. So I was talking to
Speaker 1: like a very seasoned queen recently and she was kind
Speaker 1: of just like, you know, I think it's great, like
Speaker 1: what you're doing as a woman, you know, doing dragon stuff,
Speaker 1: but like I think some queens might be jealous, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, well they shouldn't be, because I mean,
Speaker 1: the only the only way that I have an easier
Speaker 1: is a I don't have to I don't have to
Speaker 1: tuck my dick, be I don't have to shave my
Speaker 1: face and chest everything else I have to do. Like
Speaker 1: everybody else, I painted on my brows, I have to
Speaker 1: send my waist, I saw my own costumes. I have
Speaker 1: to work on my numbers. And as a woman, it's
Speaker 1: much harder to come out and like for me, especially
Speaker 1: like to command the room and like, you know, get
Speaker 1: hold the audiences. I mean, I'm sure it's the same
Speaker 1: with comedy. I'm sure it's very similar. Like when if
Speaker 1: you're for comedy, like if you come out to desperate
Speaker 1: to people please, the audience is not and you know
Speaker 1: you don't want to come across as like nervous or
Speaker 1: like trust take them away. Yeah, that's stuff I'm still
Speaker 1: working on. Like I love performing and like I have
Speaker 1: so many like I'm always so inspired. I love music,
Speaker 1: I love like nostalgia and like throwback songs, and just
Speaker 1: like I love making costumes. When the audience connects, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just such a great feeling. Um. So that's something
Speaker 1: I would like to kind of improve in terms of
Speaker 1: my drag. Um. But uh, how much practice How much
Speaker 1: practice do do you do for your numbers? It depends,
Speaker 1: It depends on how much time I have. Like when
Speaker 1: I first started doing it, I would rehearse them in
Speaker 1: my apartment, Like you know, I would make sure I
Speaker 1: knew every single word. But um, once I started performing
Speaker 1: more regularly, I you know, would have like a show
Speaker 1: a week, and I have work all day. I have
Speaker 1: like birthday parties and like real life stuff and like
Speaker 1: doctor's appointments and stuff to like tend to. So I
Speaker 1: don't have as much time as I would like to
Speaker 1: learn around getting ready and and buy things and shop
Speaker 1: and work on it. So I kind of just um,
Speaker 1: I have like a playlist of different songs I like
Speaker 1: and just kind of like keep them in my mind,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, when the time is right, it's
Speaker 1: like okay, I could do this song, and just um,
Speaker 1: I don't have times like block everything out, but like
Speaker 1: I kind of like, okay, like I'll do it. I'll
Speaker 1: do like a reveal during this verse, or I'll you know,
Speaker 1: I'll come out and I'll do like some floor work
Speaker 1: on this verse. Can you tell us whatever reveal is?
Speaker 1: So a reveal is when you come out, um in
Speaker 1: an outfit. Usually it's like a longer dress or like
Speaker 1: a robe or something a little bit like a jacket,
Speaker 1: something bigger. And then when you do a reveal, you
Speaker 1: like kind of rip it off and then there's something
Speaker 1: fun underneath it that's like you didn't see coming. So
Speaker 1: those are yeah, because I can't do those splits and
Speaker 1: the death drops and stuff like that. I'm I'm thirty
Speaker 1: two years old. I'm like, I'm not flexible, like I
Speaker 1: haven't in like a million years. Um, So I still
Speaker 1: try to put on a good show. I just try
Speaker 1: to give some sort of other gimmick that I can serve.
Speaker 1: I'm not really I'm not really a comedy person either.
Speaker 1: I'm not like a comedy queen. So I try to
Speaker 1: just try to serve looks. I try to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: just comedy queens. There's more traditional queens and I there
Speaker 1: are queens who are like very acrobatic, and then I
Speaker 1: see a lot of queens, you know, and it usually
Speaker 1: is like some of the older queens, but like who
Speaker 1: are just fucking have that like legendary like Dolly Picker season.
Speaker 1: I've been through this. I know how to fuh God,
Speaker 1: I just live for that. Like when you're a drag queen,
Speaker 1: you have to be a makeup artist. You used to
Speaker 1: be a wig stylist. You have to be a costume designer,
Speaker 1: costume maker, you have to be a model, you have
Speaker 1: to like be a comedian, you have to be a dancer,
Speaker 1: you have to be an actor. It's like it's it's
Speaker 1: so many different elements that come together and just like
Speaker 1: that you're like a one woman's Uh it's really hard.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do it. But like when you
Speaker 1: have that passion and you know drive, you just like
Speaker 1: you just go for it and you try to do
Speaker 1: the best you can. Has anything ever gone wrong while
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of performing? Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: like I've like tripped over my own feet of like
Speaker 1: you know, like stumbled here and there. Like sometimes like
Speaker 1: I'll screw up a word or whatever, but you just
Speaker 1: keep going with it and then you just try to
Speaker 1: improve on it the next time. Yeah. What about like
Speaker 1: etiquette when you go to see a drag God weight,
Speaker 1: I do have a story of all this, so um so,
Speaker 1: there is a certain etiquette when you're in the audience
Speaker 1: at a drag show, Okay, And a lot of people
Speaker 1: wouldn't know this unless someone tells. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's the same. It's the same for comedy. It's so
Speaker 1: funny how dragon comedy kind of like kind of comedy
Speaker 1: shut up unless you're typically ask you a question. So
Speaker 1: with drag, it's like you tipped the queens everyone, that's
Speaker 1: a big one. You do not touch them. You how
Speaker 1: much tip? I mean usually dollars? Singles? You give them
Speaker 1: singles if you like the song, you know, give them
Speaker 1: another single if they come out, do multiple numbers, just
Speaker 1: you know, you like if, if you if you like something,
Speaker 1: tips somethings what they say. And if you're not tipping,
Speaker 1: you're an asshole. So uh, anyway, and then you don't
Speaker 1: touch the queen's they could touch you, You don't touch them.
Speaker 1: And you definitely definitely do not go up on the
Speaker 1: stage and dance with them like that is a huge
Speaker 1: no no. I've seen somebody try to do that. And
Speaker 1: I've also seen a drag queen asked somebody to come up.
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, well, when the very specific games
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, that's totally fine, Like, but the
Speaker 1: drag queen is in control. It's their show and you
Speaker 1: have two respectful So. Um. I went to this bar
Speaker 1: over the summer that I frequent a lot for the
Speaker 1: drag shows, and uh, they had this um guest queen
Speaker 1: there that I've never seen before and she was filling
Speaker 1: in for another queen who was like out of town
Speaker 1: that week. So um, you know I get I always
Speaker 1: get there a little b early, try to get a
Speaker 1: good spot. You know, I'm having like a drink or
Speaker 1: whatever kind of gauging the room. And if you ever
Speaker 1: see me at a drug show by myself, please come
Speaker 1: up and ask to sit with me, because I've met
Speaker 1: so many people come out and we can we sit
Speaker 1: with you? And I like, of course, yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: we've made a lot of my friends. It's just by
Speaker 1: like talking to people at drag shows. So um, a
Speaker 1: few of these, like it was like two girls and
Speaker 1: like two guys had come over and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: can we like put our stuff here and sit with you?
Speaker 1: Like absolutely, so start talking to them, getting snow them
Speaker 1: like you know, how's your night, blah blah blah um.
Speaker 1: And then the table next to us, it was a
Speaker 1: group of these I think it was like three girls
Speaker 1: and a couple of guys, and they were they were
Speaker 1: very drunk. I mean they had like so many empty
Speaker 1: martining glasses on their tables, like they're they're like a
Speaker 1: little bit rowdy. So the show starts and um, the
Speaker 1: queen that I had never seen before. She comes out,
Speaker 1: she did a number and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that was so amazing, Like I was like living for her.
Speaker 1: So she goes back. Another queen comes out, does her number,
Speaker 1: and then I could see the tables like getting a
Speaker 1: little bit rowdy. They're kind of like they're giving tips,
Speaker 1: but they're kind of like walking up to the stage
Speaker 1: and like kind of like like lip sinking a little
Speaker 1: but with the queen making them. Yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: like they were they're being a little bit obnoxious, but
Speaker 1: nothing like right. So this queen comes back on stage
Speaker 1: and she's doing like a Joanne Medley Joanne guy and
Speaker 1: the outfit. I was like, bam. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: lady Ganga Joanne, work it. So the number starts, she's
Speaker 1: doing her song whatever, and one of these drunk girls
Speaker 1: um and she you know, queens get off the stage
Speaker 1: and come out into the audience to collect the tips
Speaker 1: and dance and stuff whatever. So this queen had come
Speaker 1: out into the audience and this one girl starts like
Speaker 1: kind of obnoxiously dancing with her, and the queen pushed
Speaker 1: this girl like out of the way. Now, this girl
Speaker 1: should not have been up on her face dancing with her.
Speaker 1: But this, keep in mind, is a man in a
Speaker 1: dress and he was twice the size of this girl.
Speaker 1: And this girl was wasted. Her legs flew over her,
Speaker 1: her head smashed into a metal bar stool. Oh god,
Speaker 1: it was like nothing I'd ever seen. That Queen did
Speaker 1: not mean to do that. I'm sure the whole audiences Queen,
Speaker 1: law baby, the whole audience did a complete one eighty.
Speaker 1: It was just like like that, and the Queen just
Speaker 1: kept going on with her number. She didn't stop to
Speaker 1: be like are you okay? Like are you bleeding? Do
Speaker 1: you have a concussion? Like that is the most Queen
Speaker 1: story I've ever sucking her like, I was shook. The
Speaker 1: whole the whole audience was she The girl eventually got
Speaker 1: up and was like holding her head and just had
Speaker 1: this look on her face like I cannot believe that
Speaker 1: just happened. All of her friends were like are you okay?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And then the number ended and it
Speaker 1: was crickets, like, not a single clap, you could hear
Speaker 1: a pinch. Queen that yeah, So she so instead of apologizing,
Speaker 1: she gets on the mic and gives this like half
Speaker 1: as oh, that's what happens when you're getting the way
Speaker 1: of a drag queen. Oh my god. And people were
Speaker 1: just I'm actually not surprised at all that the track
Speaker 1: queens did people the other queen's backstage like stop that, apologize.
Speaker 1: A lot of the queen's backstage and a lot of
Speaker 1: the bar staff didn't even know that this had happened.
Speaker 1: It was all the people in the audience that saw it,
Speaker 1: and they were just like get off the stage, like
Speaker 1: you know, like that's apologize or get off the stage.
Speaker 1: It was like absolutely insane and I like I left
Speaker 1: after that. I was just like that was unbelievable. It is.
Speaker 1: I mean there there does need to be some kind
Speaker 1: of like I feel like like lecture and etiquette, not lecture,
Speaker 1: but like quick thing in the same way. Like that,
Speaker 1: I try to give people the benefit of the that
Speaker 1: like if it's your first comedy show, people do really like,
Speaker 1: I truly believe that people don't know how to behave
Speaker 1: at comedy shows. So the same goes for drag and
Speaker 1: it's like this new thing that you haven't seen before.
Speaker 1: You don't know how to act. And then also a
Speaker 1: lot of straight girls have a problem with alcohol and
Speaker 1: making things about them, you know obviously, well you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure at one moment in time we've all been
Speaker 1: that person. At the beginning of early phases of our tour,
Speaker 1: we had to deal with that a lot. And I'm like, right,
Speaker 1: we because I remember you said we need to give
Speaker 1: everybody a little lecture on the podcast, because I do,
Speaker 1: because you truly don't know. And if you a question
Speaker 1: is asked and it's rhetorical, I understand that you think
Speaker 1: that you they know, maybe they want me to answer
Speaker 1: it and you don't want to and you don't, and
Speaker 1: it's like yelling at people the same. Yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: everyone kind of like it kills the vibe of what
Speaker 1: comedy and drag is supposed to do to escape feel
Speaker 1: better because especially the performer like feeds off the audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize that the audience is our energy system totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when something goes awry, like it just throws off,
Speaker 1: it throws off the whole show. Yeah. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder what the rest of the
Speaker 1: night was like. And I hope that girl's head is okay.
Speaker 1: I know how she's okay, but you know she's never
Speaker 1: going to interrupt the drag honestly, you know, I've seen
Speaker 1: this happen where other where drunk girls get up on
Speaker 1: the stage and start dancing with the queen. But the
Speaker 1: queen has to It's kind of they have to know
Speaker 1: how to profess really like take care of you. They don't.
Speaker 1: You don't talk to him, you don't ask him any
Speaker 1: more questions where you can chime in more. And I've
Speaker 1: seen queens do it's like seamlessly where they like get
Speaker 1: the person back to their seat and they make it
Speaker 1: funny and and nobody has to get hurt. Yeah, usually
Speaker 1: embarrass the person. They're not going to do it again
Speaker 1: because another one they're in four next time. Have you
Speaker 1: ever had to deal with a heckler or like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: like it's a heckler a comedy. No, I haven't really yet.
Speaker 1: Um I got pushed myself once and the queen or
Speaker 1: by a person by one like by like the owner
Speaker 1: of the bar. This guy is like he's known for
Speaker 1: he has a reputation for being an asshole and he
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna say where it is, but um,
Speaker 1: it's like a very well known gay bar like in Jersey,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I go. I used to go
Speaker 1: there all the time, like I love like the queens
Speaker 1: that performed there. Um. But every year they have this
Speaker 1: big pageant, and I went last year for the first time.
Speaker 1: I was so excited, like I had like fifteen friends
Speaker 1: with me, and um, you know, I felt comforta about
Speaker 1: this place that I've been there so many times, like, um,
Speaker 1: but during this pageant, it was like chaos. There was
Speaker 1: so many people, it was packed, like security was just
Speaker 1: like they didn't know what the hell they were doing.
Speaker 1: The management was just trying to get the show to
Speaker 1: go on. It was just like very poorly run. And
Speaker 1: so I was in drag. I mean I probably didn't
Speaker 1: look that great because I don't even doing it for
Speaker 1: a few months, but you know, so I I literally
Speaker 1: just went up to go to the bathroom and I'm
Speaker 1: coming back from the bathroom and securities like no, you
Speaker 1: can't go this way. I'm like, oh, well, my friends
Speaker 1: are right here. And this guy who was like the
Speaker 1: owner of the manager or whatever running the show, he
Speaker 1: was trying to like walk up behind me and just
Speaker 1: pushed me completely out of the way, like knocked me
Speaker 1: off my heels pretty much, and uh, I got really
Speaker 1: upset about it, and I left. I started crying, like
Speaker 1: I've had I've had somebody pushed me, a man pushed
Speaker 1: me like that, and it's it doesn't hit you immediately,
Speaker 1: but then like gonna realize that. And like I cried
Speaker 1: too because I'm like crying and drag makeup. I looked
Speaker 1: like a like a psychopath and um. Because it also
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's like it's it's kind of like
Speaker 1: it's still objectification of women in that we are treated
Speaker 1: like objects that aren't living human creature, right, And it
Speaker 1: turns out that, you know, afterwards, after I had left,
Speaker 1: you know, my friends are just like, where'd you go?
Speaker 1: What happened? And I told them what happened? And you
Speaker 1: didn't even tell anyone? Well, I just I just it
Speaker 1: was hard to find it like different people, and there
Speaker 1: were so many people I just you know, I couldn't
Speaker 1: so um, and they were saying and then like one
Speaker 1: of them was just like, oh yeah, I saw that happen,
Speaker 1: Like she's not exaggerating, like that really happened. And then
Speaker 1: they're like, oh yeah, well he like he's an asshole,
Speaker 1: he's not he's a reputation and he also and he
Speaker 1: also doesn't like bio queens and he doesn't let like
Speaker 1: female drags biological h um. Oh, so he was a
Speaker 1: gay guy. He was just like an old bitchy diva
Speaker 1: and like he doesn't let female drag performers perform there.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I'm never coming back here. But
Speaker 1: I have gone back there just because like all my
Speaker 1: friends like love it. I just I just don't give
Speaker 1: him any of my money, Like I don't pay for
Speaker 1: drinks there or anything like that. Like I went back
Speaker 1: for Pride. I like, you know, I love to see
Speaker 1: like like and I would have loved to perform there,
Speaker 1: but clearly, like I'm never going to So it's so
Speaker 1: fat when we're weird way to handle it. Has never
Speaker 1: been a bio queen on RuPaul's Drag Race. No, what
Speaker 1: do you think that? Has RuPaul ever talked about bio
Speaker 1: queens on the show or I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: he'll ever. I don't. I don't think I'll ever have
Speaker 1: a woman drag queen on the show. They did have
Speaker 1: their first transgender woman on the show last season, which
Speaker 1: was amazing. Peppermint Um who I've seen in New York
Speaker 1: many times. She's like incredible, great performer. Um, but and
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think women doing drag is
Speaker 1: there yet? Right there? Okay, So so Peppermint is uh
Speaker 1: biologically born a male transition to a female and then
Speaker 1: did drag. No, she it was she I think she
Speaker 1: was born a male and then started doing drag. And
Speaker 1: then kind of people were telling her like, well, like
Speaker 1: you you know, you can't be transgender and a drag queen.
Speaker 1: Whoa And of course you can, yeah, and um, whatever
Speaker 1: you want. And so for a really long time she
Speaker 1: was just doing drag and like that's her career whatever.
Speaker 1: And then she eventually was just like you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm doing both and to transition. And then she went
Speaker 1: on the show and it was well want to do
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a step forward because you know it's
Speaker 1: like then obviously, like you know, if you're going by
Speaker 1: what many trans people have said it like you're you're
Speaker 1: you're always technically like you're you're always a woman on
Speaker 1: the inside, no matter what genitail you you have. So
Speaker 1: that's like a step towards bio queen. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: There's so many layers. It's funny to me. That's just
Speaker 1: like people like to be like, Okay, well this is allowed,
Speaker 1: but this isn't allowed. It's just like as long as
Speaker 1: no one's getting hurt. Yeah, well I would love it
Speaker 1: if like Miss Elsa has had her own spin off
Speaker 1: and like for Bio Queens, and it was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that would be awesome. I love that.
Speaker 1: Where can we see you perform? Do you want to
Speaker 1: plug anything? Like? Yeah, yeah, plug away plug plug plugs
Speaker 1: coming on Friday. Um, I have three upcoming shows. Yes,
Speaker 1: I will be back, um Monday, the twenty date whenever.
Speaker 1: This coming Monday, This coming Monday, I will be at
Speaker 1: twenty nine. I'll be at pieces bar Um the show,
Speaker 1: the party starts to tend the shows at eleven. It's
Speaker 1: drag Wars. I did it last night. Very fun. Drag
Speaker 1: Wars is fun and I have been there. Sequida is
Speaker 1: like my favorite drag queens. I do drag Wars because
Speaker 1: I love Squida. I Lovequequida sat on my lap. It
Speaker 1: was great. She's incredible entretaineur, she's beautiful like I love her.
Speaker 1: I'm us. I've been following her NonStop on social media
Speaker 1: and uh so I won last night, so I have
Speaker 1: to come back. Thank you have to come back next week?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, we're not gonna be so please
Speaker 1: go and support for Deville at pieces for drag Wars
Speaker 1: because it's all based on if it's in the village loud. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like your Christopher Street for sure. And then um,
Speaker 1: following that, I have a show actually on Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 1: So if there's any like people that don't give a
Speaker 1: funk about football like me and want something fun to
Speaker 1: do in the city, Um, We're doing a show at
Speaker 1: the stonemall In. It's um Sunday Smacked Down, hosted by Hybiscus,
Speaker 1: and we're actually doing like a tribute to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl halftime shows. Oh cool, So we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: be serving you, John Says, Gaga, Katie Perry, Madonna. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a real yes, and we actually we like
Speaker 1: that's a great raph like an opening number, and that's
Speaker 1: a great idea for a show. It's gonna be super fun.
Speaker 1: I'm really really excited about it. And then show after
Speaker 1: that I actually have is February seven. Um, it's what
Speaker 1: a Wednesday at Las Kina and Williamsburg. Um. The showtime
Speaker 1: is at nine thirty and we're actually it's like the
Speaker 1: theme for that night. It's like Valentine's Day, like love
Speaker 1: and sex, and we're having a art auction to benefit
Speaker 1: Planned parenthood. So um, if you want to come see
Speaker 1: a drag show, have some tacos. It's happy hour, all night.
Speaker 1: Night's fun. I've never got to a drag I have
Speaker 1: any leaving the house, and like, one of the few
Speaker 1: things that you can always get me out of the
Speaker 1: house for is a drag show. I'm like, I'll show up.
Speaker 1: I fucking love drag and if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: bad mood, to a drag show will change your nights.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many people I've brought to
Speaker 1: drag shows and they sit down and stiff back, they're
Speaker 1: like wide eyed, they're like nervous, like what the funk
Speaker 1: is this, And by the end of the night they
Speaker 1: are jumping out of their screaming yes, qua, yes, what happened.
Speaker 1: It's so yeah. Vicky dressed me up in drag one
Speaker 1: time and it was great, and then I was alarmed
Speaker 1: because I didn't look that much different. Just a drag
Speaker 1: version of you all the time. That was awesome. Um
Speaker 1: and so on Instagram you're at Vicky Deville Is that correct?
Speaker 1: C E V I L L E and it's Vicky
Speaker 1: with a y Verry. That's my whole child's at Vicky
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