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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is really feeling themselves. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another addition to the Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by Head and Shoulders. My name is Dan Hansas
Speaker 1: and I've joined by a hotel room filled with heroes
Speaker 1: whoa Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, Colleen Wolf and Gregg rosen Doll.
Speaker 1: What's up people? Hey? Hello, literally in a hotel room,
Speaker 1: uh room of the well, let's not say the name,
Speaker 1: we should not say yeah, but we can. We can.
Speaker 1: We are overlooking Bloomington, Minnesota, a beautiful wait, why don't
Speaker 1: say because we have such a high opinion of ourselves.
Speaker 1: We're worried Stockers might come and get us. Yes, now
Speaker 1: that checks obviously. Yes. Um no, we are staying in
Speaker 1: this wonderful um hotel establishment that happens to have a
Speaker 1: t G. I Friday's connected to it, and have we
Speaker 1: mentioned I don't think it's come up on the show yet.
Speaker 1: Also a twenty four hour eyehop. I mean we're rolling,
Speaker 1: please me, baking powder, rolling in deep luxury. I all,
Speaker 1: I want our chocolate chip pancakes. I feel like I'm screaming.
Speaker 1: All I want our chocolate chip pancakes. It's possible. It's
Speaker 1: open twenty four hours in a room. Thanks, I feel great.
Speaker 1: So just to paint a picture and maybe you can
Speaker 1: take a photo for the audience. Um, Greg, Colleen sitting
Speaker 1: on one bed, Mark in a chair, West in a
Speaker 1: pull up couch, I'm on the opposite twin bed, and
Speaker 1: Lindsay also manning Um the technology. You know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if she's gonna make it through the show. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of wires. I feel like the machines might
Speaker 1: take over by the end of the show. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna definitely looks like a bomb. Make sure she's okay.
Speaker 1: It was definitely like a season three episode of mcgiver,
Speaker 1: you know, before the show, and she finally got it
Speaker 1: all together by tying different you know things with twigs.
Speaker 1: That's the site of This is the room that we're
Speaker 1: staying in together all week. Yeah, and it's been it's
Speaker 1: tight quarters aready. Yeah, a huge, huge show. Um, uh
Speaker 1: Tuesday taping this late Tuesday, and um we have what
Speaker 1: do we have coming up? Last night was Opening Night?
Speaker 1: I don't buy that, and you can. You could throw
Speaker 1: your corporate jargon at me. All you want, shadowy league figures,
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be Media Day and maybe I'll allow
Speaker 1: you Media Night. Don't hit you with this Opening Night Hokeum,
Speaker 1: it's moving in that hyper corporate direction. So I agree
Speaker 1: with your with your heading. I don't think you have
Speaker 1: a choice now. Oh, in written copy, yeah you get banged.
Speaker 1: But in this space, yeah, Media Night. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: our listeners can tell us. Do people like Opening Night?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put myself. If I was fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: would I watch it? I probably, I probably would. But
Speaker 1: as an adult it's my team was playing, Yeah for sure,
Speaker 1: But since it's on NFL network, I had ingest every
Speaker 1: minute of store. It's excellent programming, very compelling, no matter
Speaker 1: what your age or gender is absolutely and uh, so
Speaker 1: we'll take some takeaways. Um. Also whatever is going on
Speaker 1: in the news, uh, and all the interpreter reporters of
Speaker 1: around the NFL are going to be covering both teams
Speaker 1: all week. Uh. And then we'll check in with some
Speaker 1: of the written pieces. I know sometimes uh somewhat strangely
Speaker 1: but also understandably, we we you know, hit up against
Speaker 1: this wall where we have all these great listeners, but
Speaker 1: do we have people that are reading our content. Well,
Speaker 1: there's some great written content from everybody on the team.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about a couple of pieces, including
Speaker 1: West who wrote a banger dot com backslash members Belichick
Speaker 1: not just a genius coach but also a gifted team builder.
Speaker 1: So we'll get into that a little bit. And uh
Speaker 1: and maybe even Greg wrote a banger if we have time,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see on the banger scale where do you
Speaker 1: read it? It's low, but it was, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's compelling on various fronts. Mark handle that. Uh. And yes,
Speaker 1: the t g I Fridays by far the most important
Speaker 1: aspect of this trip. We said an over under on
Speaker 1: our Thursday show. Or I set the over under ninety
Speaker 1: nine and a half drinks for the four original members
Speaker 1: in this I made it for a drink. I threw
Speaker 1: you in. The only reason why, let me just say,
Speaker 1: the only reason why you weren't initially included was because
Speaker 1: you're staying downtown in your fancy pants hotel. And um,
Speaker 1: I didn't add it in. But what I could I could,
Speaker 1: I'll leave up to Greg, who's an addict in this field.
Speaker 1: I could adjust the over under if we want to
Speaker 1: include Colleen. Greg, you make the decision and then I'll adjust.
Speaker 1: I think you can do it in the spirit of
Speaker 1: fun and games. Okay, so the under has been adjusted.
Speaker 1: It was ninety nine and a half drinks consumed by
Speaker 1: the entire group I am going or or the Desert
Speaker 1: people are gonna bump it to the Desert people are
Speaker 1: gonna bump it to one oh seven and a half.
Speaker 1: One oh seven and a half is where they put it.
Speaker 1: Then remember Connie not staying at the hotel, so you
Speaker 1: have to factor in all these times we're she's staying here.
Speaker 1: You would double the total. I think that would be
Speaker 1: where I that's where I would be because her siege
Speaker 1: to the bar we've seen. I spent more time though
Speaker 1: at this hotel than I have at my hotel. So
Speaker 1: I feel like I've saying, well, you're always welcome. Colleen
Speaker 1: is I think motivated and maybe even petty enough to
Speaker 1: just come here to raise that total. Now that she
Speaker 1: knows that she's in it, I like it. We've we've
Speaker 1: put Collee in through like a fourteen hour day and
Speaker 1: now we're continuously in a circle ripping on her high quality. Guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it got real. So a hundred and seven and a
Speaker 1: half is the over under. And I have been tabulating
Speaker 1: and tracking. I'm not joking since Sunday night on a nap.
Speaker 1: I've been watching you. You're taking the exact total for
Speaker 1: drinks between West Sess, the old zeuser. Connie Fox now
Speaker 1: involved and Greg Is, Well you had to just now,
Speaker 1: didn't you. Connie? For the record, I said hard over
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be close. You know, well, how about
Speaker 1: to help contribute? And and I don't need to sitting
Speaker 1: on the old goose egg right now? This might come
Speaker 1: right tonight. It's not gonna it'll be a blowout. It
Speaker 1: is it's six over under one oh seven. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be Seahawks Broncos. And I have a new favorite person
Speaker 1: by the way, Okay, the Sush, the bartender, and Friday's
Speaker 1: on his his name tag the s u s h.
Speaker 1: It's a big deal. Suh. She knew where the name
Speaker 1: comes from. His last name is Susha Ramba, which is check.
Speaker 1: West is already like deep friends with the t G
Speaker 1: I Friday's bartenders on dates. So Wes is so different
Speaker 1: than me and a lot of ways, but the one
Speaker 1: that probably stands out most is like social settings. And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to Wes and I only want to
Speaker 1: talk to you guys, and I just want to have
Speaker 1: a couple of okas before the show, and West is
Speaker 1: sitting directly to my left, and West starts chatting up
Speaker 1: this dude from Green Bay starts asking the Sush about
Speaker 1: what his last name derives from. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: totally respected. Bless you. You are a great man and
Speaker 1: a great conversationalist, and the social butter like you're curious,
Speaker 1: you're a areas man. Well hold on you. Also, when
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be at a bar for five
Speaker 1: or six seven days, in a row. It behooves you
Speaker 1: to be friend every bartender you see to get in,
Speaker 1: get in early, to dig in, and then the free
Speaker 1: drinks start coming later. I would say the l magnifico
Speaker 1: here is that I am the exact opposite outside of
Speaker 1: a bar set like I don't want to there is
Speaker 1: a benefit. Nothing interesting can come up a conversation on
Speaker 1: a sidewalk. Um, so they go, that's what's going on
Speaker 1: on today's show, and uh so let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Media Night before we get into some news.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about um, the opening. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the opening kickoff of this insane week of coverage and um.
Speaker 1: It was held at the Xcel Energy Center. I called
Speaker 1: it the X. Some people don't, some people do. I
Speaker 1: called the X and St. Paul uh Mark get us started. Here.
Speaker 1: Your takeaways on Media Night, Well, I would say that
Speaker 1: Media Night, I think for each of us on different level. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's some anxiety attached to because it is a a
Speaker 1: barrage of of journalists and non journalists collapsing on two
Speaker 1: teams that probably typically don't want to be there. Last
Speaker 1: night's Media Night, to be fair, was my favorite of
Speaker 1: them all it was a little bit I thought, a
Speaker 1: little bit downbeat compared to some of the crazy elements
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past. I thought the Eagles were
Speaker 1: actually quite fascinating. I'm more convinced than ever that my
Speaker 1: job on media night is to talk to coaches. I
Speaker 1: don't really care about the players that much. Listening to
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's talk for twenty minutes, I found someone I thought,
Speaker 1: is he knows where he's going, no matter he's not
Speaker 1: saying that. He is feeling himself this week, he is
Speaker 1: starting to break away a little bit from Patriots speak.
Speaker 1: They were asking him about Bill Belichick's future, about his future,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't revealing anything, but he was doing it
Speaker 1: in a less robotic, refined way. My last note is
Speaker 1: the way this is going, and you mentioned it, Dan,
Speaker 1: it's becoming such a television I know they're going to
Speaker 1: have to find someone to ask questions of these various
Speaker 1: players and coaches at some point. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: five years from now, journalists will even have an ingrained
Speaker 1: role in this event. I don't know how they would
Speaker 1: figure it out, but journalists seemed to be at this
Speaker 1: point less and less a part of this and it
Speaker 1: just becomes more of a cavalcade. Well, two things. First thing,
Speaker 1: it came to my mind because Mark, you are famous
Speaker 1: for your love of coordinators. When you have someone like
Speaker 1: a Josh McDaniels, who of course used to be a
Speaker 1: head coach, became a coordinator now set to again become
Speaker 1: a head coach with the cults, is there part of
Speaker 1: you that a little bitter sweet that you're losing him
Speaker 1: from the coordinator ranks. You're famously you knows coordinators. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you have never you know, most fans would
Speaker 1: never have been to a meeting night like the the
Speaker 1: assistant coaches sit up in the bleachers and it's a
Speaker 1: little bit easier to get to them, whereas the head
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick a seven thousand people around him, and it's
Speaker 1: like for me, like, I'm not even gonna go and
Speaker 1: try that. I know, Daniel, Yes, it is a little
Speaker 1: bitter sweet. I mean whenever you lose a coordinator of
Speaker 1: the higher ranks. Yes, I am much more in the
Speaker 1: coordinators for me. Like you know, I'm wacky reverend guy
Speaker 1: on on NFL dot com. So like my job was
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on on the floor, Who's wearing
Speaker 1: funny outfits. Who's you know what's like the Shenanigans and
Speaker 1: almost always and we've done it mark you and I
Speaker 1: seven years in a row for NFL dot com insanely. Um,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be people dressed up, and that's part of
Speaker 1: like the hook to try to get players, especially the
Speaker 1: bigger name guys to talk to you. There was nobody
Speaker 1: dressed up. There was like two people guys a shark
Speaker 1: and it was not even an expensive shark cut, but
Speaker 1: they stood out in a weird way. There was one
Speaker 1: guy from Austria wearing a football uniform and how bad
Speaker 1: was it in terms of and part of like when
Speaker 1: they send all these local and national news crews, Oh
Speaker 1: find the wacky people to talk to. I saw some
Speaker 1: like news cast interviewing a guy and all he was
Speaker 1: wearing was just like a doctor's like jacket and that
Speaker 1: was all he had and they're like, so, what's your
Speaker 1: offit is like and even the guy was like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just wearing this like a doctor part
Speaker 1: of my radio show. It was so it was it
Speaker 1: was definitely less of a circus and what you could
Speaker 1: either like or hate, and that's why I I about
Speaker 1: halfway through the Patriots, I just when I saw a Belichick.
Speaker 1: It was a big crowd, but he wasn't being swarm
Speaker 1: so I kind of snuck in two rows back and
Speaker 1: then somebody left, and all of a sudden, for like
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes, I was just in front of Belichick,
Speaker 1: and I just and I wrote about it on the
Speaker 1: end Round if you want to check it out. I
Speaker 1: just essentially just watched Belichick to Belichick be Belichick. And
Speaker 1: I did kind of come upon when I was writing
Speaker 1: late last night, the realization that no one's ever had
Speaker 1: been involved with more media days than Bill Belichick eight
Speaker 1: for the Patriots too for the Giants. Who's beat ten?
Speaker 1: So just watching him nine? Wasn't he defensive coordinator on
Speaker 1: the ninety Patriots? Right? U? Um? So what was your question?
Speaker 1: All right? So basically I'm sitting in front of him
Speaker 1: for you know, like I said, about thirty minutes, and
Speaker 1: I was like thinking to myself, well, I should probably
Speaker 1: ask him something. I'm literally four feet away from him,
Speaker 1: staring at him. Um, I couldn't. After a while, he
Speaker 1: might just look at you and be like, come on,
Speaker 1: I got be productive work. So I wanted to add
Speaker 1: no days off, no day, no days, no day. So
Speaker 1: I had I had this and lindsay, I believe you
Speaker 1: have you could play that for us. Uh here is
Speaker 1: my question to Bill and uh Mr Belichick's response modern
Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi Bill super Bowl Hoodie, game Day decision, game day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me just up there, let me explain to you.
Speaker 1: There was no opportunity for a follow up Belichick because
Speaker 1: he's right in front of me before I finished the question,
Speaker 1: which obviously was not a good question, but before I
Speaker 1: even finished the question, well, he answered like a guy
Speaker 1: who's answered it many times that you probably has because
Speaker 1: he's done this so many damn times. So like he
Speaker 1: cuts off my question, answers it, and then he locks
Speaker 1: in on me, and he locks in Iconda and he
Speaker 1: just like saws me in half like game Dame. And
Speaker 1: then he just looks away and like he made me
Speaker 1: feel he made me feel like I was about three
Speaker 1: ft tall, still left. Yeah it was. My innards are
Speaker 1: still spilled out at the X. And then like the
Speaker 1: compound matters, like like five minutes later, some little ten
Speaker 1: year old some sand Oh no, we shouldn't say things
Speaker 1: like that about little kids. A ten year old Boy
Speaker 1: asked a great question, a nuanced question that Bill thought
Speaker 1: about and and gave a really nice answer to, and
Speaker 1: that made things felt worse. But it was cool to
Speaker 1: see Bill in action, and I really enjoyed enjoyed that
Speaker 1: a lot more than seeing pick Boy for the four
Speaker 1: times on the floor. Well, one of the things you
Speaker 1: don't know about Belichick is he he knows who the
Speaker 1: Jets fans are, Like he could smell he can smell him,
Speaker 1: and that's part of his bitterness and hatred towards that organization.
Speaker 1: Then he just goes out you can. I thought one
Speaker 1: of the craziest things because I was sitting behind Dan
Speaker 1: at one point and when they introduced it, they brought
Speaker 1: out Nick Foles, who I what I like him or not.
Speaker 1: He's a harmless character. He's not a villain in this quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's just certainly he certainly has sort of a makeup.
Speaker 1: How he's walking around this week with those like kind
Speaker 1: of like he's wearing like the glasses my mom wore
Speaker 1: in the eighties. It looks like an accountant that rolled
Speaker 1: in his But but anytime an Eagles came out the stadium,
Speaker 1: because there's fans there, which makes it a delightful place
Speaker 1: to write articles. By the way, they were booing him
Speaker 1: like crazy, and I was thinking, these Patriots fans, how
Speaker 1: dare you be this rancor is towards the Eagles have
Speaker 1: a little bit, And then Dan was like, no, this
Speaker 1: is Vikings fans that poured in from the city to
Speaker 1: destruct the Eagles. And think about if the Vikings one
Speaker 1: and didn't get trounced in the NFC title game, what
Speaker 1: a different would it would have been? The best open night.
Speaker 1: I talked to Steve Belichick for a decent amount of
Speaker 1: time and came away like loving his sort of affect.
Speaker 1: Like if you thought Bill Belichick has a dry humor,
Speaker 1: and he does, I mean he he is trying to
Speaker 1: be funny sometimes, Steve real whitcracker. Steve Belichick is even
Speaker 1: more bone dry. Everything is the most flattest affect, but
Speaker 1: he does it in a in a funny way. Like
Speaker 1: I sort of asked him about I was talking to
Speaker 1: him about Devin mccordy, and he said at one point
Speaker 1: He's like, fans, they don't understand what Devin mccordy does.
Speaker 1: I don't even really understand what nobody's he sounds say yes,
Speaker 1: and let's generate some headlines here now. And and he
Speaker 1: spoke very intelligently about Devin mccordy and passionately, but he
Speaker 1: has this sort of like you can't quite believe this
Speaker 1: is Bill Belichick's son in some way. And it's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I don't buy that Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: is retiring this season and that he was wearing his
Speaker 1: father's hat as some sort of emotional goodbye. It's because
Speaker 1: he loves coaching with this son. I think that's got
Speaker 1: to be one of the maybe the number one highlight
Speaker 1: of his entire NFL career, and I don't think he
Speaker 1: wants to give. I wish Gronk was there. I feel
Speaker 1: like that would have maybe worked out perfectly for the
Speaker 1: concussion protocol. And we're gonna get to Gronk in a second. Uh.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Cronk is fine, but he was able
Speaker 1: to duck out of media is a league rule? To
Speaker 1: be fair, No one in the concussion protocol. Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: was there. I mean, he was there for a limited
Speaker 1: amount of time, but he sat up in the stands
Speaker 1: and type deal. But I thought that was good of
Speaker 1: him to come out and ask questions any other thoughts
Speaker 1: before we move on to the news. This sounds um,
Speaker 1: This sounds maybe cheesy, but I thought that we've already
Speaker 1: encountered probably a hundred and fifty people from Minnesota these
Speaker 1: stadiums that have been trying to help out and they
Speaker 1: don't know he's know the answer to when you're trying
Speaker 1: to because they don't work in these stadiums, so they're
Speaker 1: doing the best game. It is truly a great group
Speaker 1: of people. We've been to some Super Bowls where it's
Speaker 1: you don't get those volunteers, but it's been Minnesota has
Speaker 1: been good so far. When I think we came in
Speaker 1: with a lot of worries, the weather hasn't been a
Speaker 1: huge issue. Has its little Minnesota shout out to the people? Well,
Speaker 1: because I mean it's it's no. I think it's a
Speaker 1: superower because it's it's probably gonna get like like free.
Speaker 1: A lot of pre shots come in before you even
Speaker 1: get here. And it's been fine so far. It hasn't
Speaker 1: gotten too cold yet. Has it gotten too cold? Two
Speaker 1: very coop is that James Harrison is the He's just
Speaker 1: the most intimidating badass that you would ever want to
Speaker 1: talk to, And I spent a while next to him talking.
Speaker 1: It was a couple of Pittsburgh reporters and me, and
Speaker 1: they were really trying to drive home why he left,
Speaker 1: and he just he just answered things in such a
Speaker 1: way it was just I was sort of in awe
Speaker 1: next to him. The one guy asked him about the
Speaker 1: Patriot Way and he's He's like, I don't know about
Speaker 1: any Patriot Way. I got the James Harrison Way. Been
Speaker 1: doing that my whole life. I don't need a Patriot
Speaker 1: We were also sitting next to Scott Zolak, of all
Speaker 1: people at at the table next to us, and it
Speaker 1: was an insane group of like it was their radio makeup,
Speaker 1: and they were like jumping over tables and backslapping and
Speaker 1: at one point backed us out of our own workspace.
Speaker 1: And Zolak was just like this gigantic lumbering man shouting
Speaker 1: a little bigger than I thought. It was way bigger
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. And I was like, yes, it did
Speaker 1: cross my mind, should we or should I talk to
Speaker 1: him or maybe get a sound bite for the pod.
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, I don't. There's no way that
Speaker 1: ends well. Either he's not on the show. If it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. He should be on the show and what
Speaker 1: happens to interview him, and he's a great guy. I
Speaker 1: think he'd be fun on the show. We should, we
Speaker 1: should continue, we should do it. I do like this
Speaker 1: Eagles team, just the vibe that they have. It's a
Speaker 1: really fun team. Maybe I'm getting that Stockholm syndrome, like
Speaker 1: when I who someone fell in love with the Broncos
Speaker 1: that year? I did, and I picked them right and
Speaker 1: I was right by the way one. No I'm talking.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the year though I fell in love.
Speaker 1: I fell in love with Ann Quinn of the Seahawk.
Speaker 1: We I mean we it had happened after after watching
Speaker 1: these Eagles games and going to their locker room after
Speaker 1: the game and especially last night. It's a great team
Speaker 1: of personality and is like the defensive line Fletcher Cox,
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, Lane Johnson is great and I just think
Speaker 1: they're They've got the right at it. And you could
Speaker 1: ask Mark this not as good as the people of Minnesota, right,
Speaker 1: all right? I said it sounds cheesy, but they've actually
Speaker 1: been super nice and I I kind of appreciate that.
Speaker 1: You know, RKS pick for Super Bowl m v P ns. Alright,
Speaker 1: you know, and especially like the children I noticed, like
Speaker 1: it up. Get give it up for constantly interacting with children.
Speaker 1: That's that sounds healthy. All right, Let's do some news.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Rob Gronkowski, who we brought up. And Gronk,
Speaker 1: of course suffered that concussion in the first half of
Speaker 1: the a f C title game and now gets two
Speaker 1: weeks to get cleared and healthy. The Boston Herald reports
Speaker 1: that Gronk has been going quote full tilt in practice,
Speaker 1: and everyone believes that the clearance for the tight end
Speaker 1: is a matter of time at this point. Obviously great
Speaker 1: news for the Pats West who less we forget Gronk
Speaker 1: is the type of player who could single handedly win
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Yeah, I said a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Gronk has never been more important to Tom Brady in
Speaker 1: that offense than he's been this year. He saw that
Speaker 1: in December, especially, The Steelers Game rap sheet reported that
Speaker 1: he was jovial and at ease at their send off party.
Speaker 1: He certainly sounds like a guy they're expecting to be
Speaker 1: cleared later in the week. They're not allowed to talk
Speaker 1: to the media, so why is he I guess you
Speaker 1: are allowed to get on Instagram story and talk about
Speaker 1: the freezy freezy weather in Minneapolis. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw that. You know, Brilliot did not see freezy
Speaker 1: Freezy likes freezy Freezy. Well, he was like rowdy all
Speaker 1: stage before the for the send off. Gillette like he's fine, fine,
Speaker 1: you rarely see I know, I already I already find
Speaker 1: it that. I know we have to like monitor every
Speaker 1: inch of this. But he is playing. But there's only
Speaker 1: been one super Bowl that he's been healthy for and
Speaker 1: that was the Seahawks Super Bowl, and it will be
Speaker 1: like I do wonder how they're going to approach him
Speaker 1: because basically the Jaguars decided to put two people on
Speaker 1: him the whole time and make the outside guys be
Speaker 1: I sat through an extremely long pre Super Bowl production
Speaker 1: meeting for the written content on our fine website Sexy,
Speaker 1: and we went through each of the final four teams
Speaker 1: at that stage, and one of the topics that was pitched. Remember,
Speaker 1: there are no there are no bad ideas, just like
Speaker 1: there are no bad questions. You let me know if
Speaker 1: you thought there was a bad idea someone pitched. Oh,
Speaker 1: the super Bowl is the last realtle thing that Gronk
Speaker 1: has to conquer and be a star at and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, like, he's only been healthy once and
Speaker 1: that one game, I think he did eight for sixty
Speaker 1: six and a touch something like that. He played well,
Speaker 1: he was He scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in a close game. He was finding that game. And
Speaker 1: he missed the game out right last year obviously with
Speaker 1: his injury back injury and he had a high ankle
Speaker 1: sprain that probably cost the Patriots Super Bowl against the Giants.
Speaker 1: Remember that hell Mary at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Gronk is growing well. The website is how
Speaker 1: many players have come back from as many injuries as
Speaker 1: he has and still operated at the level that he
Speaker 1: It's a It's not a crazy point though, that if
Speaker 1: he had a as much as everyone sees him as
Speaker 1: maybe the greatest tight end eaver, he would go up
Speaker 1: another level with a monster Super Bowl perform or a
Speaker 1: better quarterback. Let's spin out of the Super Bowl for
Speaker 1: a second and talk about Dean pas retirement over that
Speaker 1: was quick. The Titans higher the x RA eight coordinator
Speaker 1: talk Mark coordinator corner with Mark Sessler. I don't know
Speaker 1: he's ranks high on my intrigue list. But continue, um
Speaker 1: Titans hired x Ravens defensive corner Dean Pas. Is there
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator? Greg? Give us the dirty Why is Peas?
Speaker 1: Why is his retirement already over? Give us some dirty Peas.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he was forced to retire, that he
Speaker 1: essentially was fired by the Ravens. It's a familiar person
Speaker 1: to Mike Rabel, obviously from New England. He sort of
Speaker 1: had a similar ending in New England where they didn't
Speaker 1: renew his contract, didn't exactly fire him. This is a
Speaker 1: weird situation to me that PA's got so much more
Speaker 1: pop than Matt Lafleur. The guy hired to be offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: which is the most important coaching position on that team
Speaker 1: with Marcus Meridiot's development, and he's a guy who worked
Speaker 1: under Gary Kubiak Mike Shanahan, two of the best offensive
Speaker 1: minds in modern NFL history, and then Kyle Shanahan and
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, the two best offensive minds in the current NFL.
Speaker 1: This guy's never called plays before, but he seems custom
Speaker 1: made to be Marcus Mariotta's quarter And I know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Kyle Shanahan's going to get the credit
Speaker 1: for what happened with r G three's rookie season. But
Speaker 1: la Fleur and but Matt Lafleur was the quarterback coach there.
Speaker 1: He was the quarterback coach when you have Jared Goff
Speaker 1: turning in around. So I think it's an interesting pairing
Speaker 1: for Marcus. Mariota for sure didn't La floor interview for
Speaker 1: the head coaching job he did. That's interesting. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, apparently not. And it's nice that the Rams
Speaker 1: didn't have to let him leave either if they didn't
Speaker 1: want to. Some teams, like the Eagles last year with
Speaker 1: John d. Filippo, say like no, sorry to get John d.
Speaker 1: Filippo talking about bangers. Mark has been cultivating one for
Speaker 1: some time. We got a banker last week coming out
Speaker 1: later this week, sitting with the edit desk. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm distracted because Colleen was fascinated by Gronkowski's a bad
Speaker 1: pair of dress shoes, and I just feel like the
Speaker 1: entire Gronk discussion I went down a rabbit hole on
Speaker 1: g Q. They're throwing all this shade at Gronk because
Speaker 1: of his dress shoes that he wore. I guess he's
Speaker 1: kind of wearing He's wearing this shoes, like, hey, you
Speaker 1: have to dress up, and you're like, I get that
Speaker 1: one pair of dress shoes I wear that. They look
Speaker 1: fine to me. I'm not one to criticize, but they
Speaker 1: they seem serve Si. They actually they kind of look
Speaker 1: like a pair you have Mark. Sure again, they're just
Speaker 1: they're just they're basic brown. I think he checked the box.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they're not square toe or it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who cares. In other news, Blake Bordles underwent
Speaker 1: wrisk surgery. How about that? Um And because of that,
Speaker 1: that puts them in a tricky situation the Jaguars, uh
Speaker 1: if it might even um West help them make their
Speaker 1: decision or make the decision for them whether or not
Speaker 1: he will be back in Jacksonville in two thousand and eighteen. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are confused by the fifth year
Speaker 1: option for first round picks that it's guaranteed for injury only,
Speaker 1: which means if Blake Bordles can't pass a physical, that
Speaker 1: nineteen million for two thousand and eighteen is guaranteed. And
Speaker 1: if you've heard the Jaguars talk about Blake Bordles, they
Speaker 1: get awfully bizarrely chesty about how how they made the
Speaker 1: right decision. The owner the shot con said, like, looks
Speaker 1: like we weren't the biggest city it's ever now about
Speaker 1: Blake as they be careful as they put him on
Speaker 1: the shortest leash you've ever seen for playoff games in
Speaker 1: in that that date that he has to pass the
Speaker 1: physical by his March fourteenth and sixteen and the hand.
Speaker 1: And I got my finger on the pulse of the
Speaker 1: NFL calendar. I wanted to I wanted to be accurate.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the first day of the league year.
Speaker 1: But I was wrong. I I wonder now, I mean,
Speaker 1: now we're seeing a report from our guy Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: that says, you know, they want to keep Blake Borrels
Speaker 1: and it's because they don't have a choice. So forget
Speaker 1: the hul Kirk Cousins thing. Big news for the Bills,
Speaker 1: Eric Wood, their center that he's been a real rock
Speaker 1: along their line for close to a decade. He's retiring
Speaker 1: and it's because of a neck injury that the health
Speaker 1: issues connected to that will keep him from uh continuing
Speaker 1: his NFL career. Uh, it's it's not official official yet,
Speaker 1: they're working out some of the cap issues. But Eric
Speaker 1: Wood's career is over west. He's a Cincinnati guy, right,
Speaker 1: went to my high school, one of the few guys
Speaker 1: in Yeah, kind of Rudolph eric Wood, a couple of
Speaker 1: long snappers. Yeah, a elder high school in Cincinnati. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you because his hair, he is one
Speaker 1: of the most interesting heads of hair in the NFL,
Speaker 1: what did it possibly look like back during high school?
Speaker 1: Because it's an insane head of hair at the moment
Speaker 1: about ten years after. Okay, you know that he does
Speaker 1: have like the greatest American heroes haircut. He's but I think,
Speaker 1: like when I think of Eric Wood, you've also had
Speaker 1: Ryan Shazier and Cam Chancellor. And it's just a reminder
Speaker 1: that we need these reminders come contract negotiation time, that
Speaker 1: you really are one play away from the end of
Speaker 1: your career every time you suit up for an NFL game,
Speaker 1: for sure. Circling back to the Patriots, Uh, Greg, you
Speaker 1: you were out there and media availability? Oh yeah today?
Speaker 1: Any takeaways from that? No, not today, that that was
Speaker 1: I got my face night, that he got burned in
Speaker 1: the hotel room, and who has been who's had? Kevin
Speaker 1: Patrick was there, Patrick. We were we were taping our
Speaker 1: our video show, which is going up on Friday. Although
Speaker 1: some segments I think will come out some permanently. I
Speaker 1: think messed up my neck. Yeah, we went on a
Speaker 1: lacious roller Are we gonna talk about this? Do we
Speaker 1: want to talk about it? Sure? I mean quickly, I
Speaker 1: mean we we went on a roller coaster. Mark had
Speaker 1: to beg off number two. Well, no, I mentally prepared myself.
Speaker 1: I don't do roller coasters since age thirteen. Did it
Speaker 1: today for the benefit of the show, And then it
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we're gonna go do a second one.
Speaker 1: I'm not you are, I will watch you do a
Speaker 1: second one. I don't know it was, you know, it
Speaker 1: was a little Kenny Britt like. I thought, well, sometimes
Speaker 1: you know that is unfair. But I felt like Kenny
Speaker 1: Britt at me the day I walked by him. At
Speaker 1: one point, Kenny bricks he's in the super Bowl in
Speaker 1: saying it's not fair, there's no karma. And I saw
Speaker 1: some dude like all over to Britain tried to get
Speaker 1: some like quotes about the Browns and it was like
Speaker 1: being on the Browns and all stuff, and uh, can
Speaker 1: you be like I ain't talking about that dil it.
Speaker 1: And then the guy tried to circle back around with
Speaker 1: a different angle, and he was like, so, but tell
Speaker 1: me how different is it? He's like, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: how how many ways should I destroy an employer that
Speaker 1: paid me seventeen million dollars to do literally sub nothing.
Speaker 1: I think he knows he robbed them, So I'm not
Speaker 1: giving Kenny a man conscious of a man that was
Speaker 1: arrested at a Hoboken car wash one, So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna like give him too much credit. But I think
Speaker 1: he was basically shutting his mouth because he knows he
Speaker 1: got away with a felony robbery. Let's be honest. Any
Speaker 1: other thought. Finally, and finally, um yes, I made a
Speaker 1: joking reference to it earlier. Uh w E E I
Speaker 1: one of the leading radio networks in the Boston area. Greg,
Speaker 1: I know you were a big fan girl going up. No,
Speaker 1: I despised the I wow. I mean, well, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was even I don't think it was even populized.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was even popular. We don't even
Speaker 1: get a I I think in Western mass anyways. But
Speaker 1: it was just like the most it was like it
Speaker 1: was like the most stereotypical sports talk, like the world
Speaker 1: is ending fire. Everyone everyone is terrible, and I think
Speaker 1: it's like bad for the Boston sports fan. You got
Speaker 1: thin circles. Yes, I don't care. It's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a joke most of most of the shows. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's a popular take. You're not You're far from
Speaker 1: alone than thinking that. It's a lot of people say
Speaker 1: the Boston sports radio market is toxic in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. And a young DJ for EI made a
Speaker 1: hyper critical comment of Tom Brady's five year old daughter
Speaker 1: in that based off her cameo in the Tom versus
Speaker 1: Time Time uh Facebook series, and Tom responded and you
Speaker 1: know read between the lines here Fells and lady another lady. Um.
Speaker 1: Tom could have could have had his agent call EI
Speaker 1: this week and say we're not doing the show and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to think about it. No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Tommy went on EI for his schedule appearance and then
Speaker 1: told them, hey, you disrespected my girl, and good for Tommy.
Speaker 1: I have to think if I'm ever going to do
Speaker 1: your show again, which is atomic blunder for that radio station,
Speaker 1: like you were losing the best quarterback of all time
Speaker 1: because some dude thought it would be like funny or
Speaker 1: edgy to make fun of a little girl. And so
Speaker 1: I just want to say in West, you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need you for this. Mark. I'm gonna need you absolutely, Greg.
Speaker 1: I need you to be the closer on this. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm agreeing to. A formal a formal
Speaker 1: pitch to Tom Brady to come on the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast and make us your new home for Friday
Speaker 1: weekly hits. This we may the Around the NFL Podcast home.
Speaker 1: And do not get Yeah, don't get caught up that
Speaker 1: we're associated with the NFL directly and they try to
Speaker 1: ruin your career in your mind on some level or
Speaker 1: selliot to a disastrous degree. No, we'll treat you right well.
Speaker 1: You play the game of throne, the throne, the what
Speaker 1: is it? Oh? No, I would think we'll keep it real.
Speaker 1: But first of all, we're not gonna insult your family,
Speaker 1: right uh be. We will not um take cheap shots
Speaker 1: at you on any level. No. I think if you
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the archives, you'll find almost
Speaker 1: entirely pro Patriots coverage. I mean, the host of the
Speaker 1: show loves the team, uh, and supports your excellence. He's
Speaker 1: never thought that you were going to go downhill. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people out there in the media,
Speaker 1: you know, thought there might be a decline at some point.
Speaker 1: He believes you're still headed up. Well, I think Brady
Speaker 1: believe you. At every age you evolve, you keep evolving,
Speaker 1: and we've evolved out of I would say, don't listen
Speaker 1: to our past shows. That's not going to help the
Speaker 1: case here. Let's start fresh. Got a couple of ads
Speaker 1: in the room. If anyone took shots at our five, six,
Speaker 1: seven year old kids, we would cancel our engagements with
Speaker 1: them immediately. We get where Brady's coming from. Ditch that
Speaker 1: radio station that Greg despises and come hang with us.
Speaker 1: And Brady, by the way, said he doesn't want that
Speaker 1: DJ fired. That was that. I mean, you know that
Speaker 1: guy's on he went on a tough place, he said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said that would be the last. I like that.
Speaker 1: He's a d JE. How he's like spinning the record
Speaker 1: of our record. How about what if we can't get Brady,
Speaker 1: we get the DJ on with a son a weekly
Speaker 1: basis and definitely get him. Yeah, Tom, Tom's got a
Speaker 1: five year old girl I've got a six year old girl.
Speaker 1: There's we have a lot in common. I've got a
Speaker 1: five year old boy. Maybe the Sessler family and the
Speaker 1: Brady family. You know you link for generations was a
Speaker 1: five year old girl. Yeah, a lot of ties connecting
Speaker 1: a lot of time in a beautiful way. So Tom
Speaker 1: will treat you right, come on home. I think the
Speaker 1: only time I speak to Shadowy League Figures about the
Speaker 1: podcast in the last five years. I like to let
Speaker 1: you and Greg handle all that. It's fun. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: only time I say anything, don't appreciate that. Don't put
Speaker 1: athletes on our show. I wouldn't make I would make
Speaker 1: an exception for Tom Brady for the best quarterback ever
Speaker 1: different and an actual like an icon of American culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should do that, all right, Tom, balls in your car, buddy,
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Speaker 1: this back to the show all right now? West Road
Speaker 1: a banger. Let's not let's not pussy foot around here.
Speaker 1: No need to, don't have to, won't do it. We're
Speaker 1: all sitting in a hotel room together. A weird move,
Speaker 1: but you know, a little bit weird. There's no back.
Speaker 1: My back is killing Lindsay. They booked the hotel room, okay,
Speaker 1: and I respect it. It shows progress on some level
Speaker 1: that we have a hotel room specifically geared for this
Speaker 1: show here. We do have. And the problem though is
Speaker 1: that they didn't they we're doing another show on Thursday,
Speaker 1: but they didn't book a room for Wednesday. So I
Speaker 1: guess who gets banged Old Lindsey fulltime to pack all
Speaker 1: this stuff up, move out of the room, and then
Speaker 1: come back to a new room. So next year, you know,
Speaker 1: just get us a room for the whole week. We'll
Speaker 1: make it kind of like turn into our own like
Speaker 1: green room for the show. That's progress because we might
Speaker 1: call ourselves here, but we're not gonna help Lindsay clean
Speaker 1: up the room or do anything like that. Yeah, right
Speaker 1: after the Ellan has really put tonight, you actually could
Speaker 1: put in the extra time. But the reward is you
Speaker 1: are now part of our promotional materials for the next
Speaker 1: five years because we had we had a beautiful photoshop
Speaker 1: photo shoot at the old timey uh photo booth or
Speaker 1: store in the mall. You can check out our our
Speaker 1: Twitter timeline. We'll put out some football pictures tomorrow. We
Speaker 1: had some what is it pictures today and now you're
Speaker 1: it's that's history and even better, a lot of great
Speaker 1: people from Minnesota, a ton of awesome people, right, everybody
Speaker 1: is really nice here. So West West run a banker's
Speaker 1: let's dig into it and the crux of the peace West,
Speaker 1: I'll set you up here. It was that. Belichick is
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, the head coach of the Patriots, is widely
Speaker 1: viewed as one of the top head coaches of all time,
Speaker 1: but what he doesn't get enough credit for is his
Speaker 1: ability to continually build a strong team around his around
Speaker 1: his incredible Hall of Fame quarterback. So as a personnel man,
Speaker 1: So West Road a banger titled Patriots is pastily there
Speaker 1: top ten personnel moves of the Bill Belichick era. So
Speaker 1: west set the table for you, buddy, eat baby. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a few things going on here with with Belichick
Speaker 1: his team builder. First of all, he I think he
Speaker 1: understands that it's not the best fifty three is the
Speaker 1: right fifty three every year, so he churns the roster.
Speaker 1: He also, as a team builder, has a unique competitive
Speaker 1: advantage of the most job security in the league. So
Speaker 1: a lot of his trades and signings come from taking
Speaker 1: chances on guys that other coaches and gms would have
Speaker 1: their hands tied by the owner or by anybody above
Speaker 1: them on taking chances. So right off the bat, those
Speaker 1: are to me, that's the background on Belichick as team doing.
Speaker 1: That's it's a great point that last part that you
Speaker 1: said that ultimately he's the decision maker, and that cuts
Speaker 1: out a lot of red tape. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why they are good at not keeping their mistakes, whereas
Speaker 1: gms want to know we got you know this because
Speaker 1: he makes almost as many mistakes as any other personnel guy.
Speaker 1: But what I think he does is after the fact,
Speaker 1: he evaluates them more correctly, like Okay, okay, this is
Speaker 1: how I can use this guy. No, this was a waste.
Speaker 1: How many second round you know cornerback picks have they wasted?
Speaker 1: But they he gives up on it quickly because he's
Speaker 1: not trying to, you know, protect it to make his
Speaker 1: picks look bad. When also, mistakes don't look as bad
Speaker 1: when you're going and I'm not saying this in a
Speaker 1: flipping way. You're going twelve and four and thirteen and
Speaker 1: three every year versus a three and thirteen team. They
Speaker 1: made a catastrophic draft mistake and it's got to be
Speaker 1: pinned on one or two scapegoats and they're fired. Well,
Speaker 1: that comes from having the infrastructure. It's like the Spurs
Speaker 1: in the NBA when you had Popovitch and Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: for two decades. You have that infrastructure where you build
Speaker 1: around them and mistakes don't hurt you when you've got
Speaker 1: Brady and Bell. Brady is a mistake reducer. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter as much when you when you have him. I
Speaker 1: think what Belichick does so well is surround himself with good, smart,
Speaker 1: talented people, like in terms of the scouting department and
Speaker 1: everybody else in that front office and everybody around him,
Speaker 1: the coordinators. That is such a well run organization, top
Speaker 1: to bottom, and that's why he gets the credit that
Speaker 1: he always gets. And he coaches all the personnel guys
Speaker 1: and the coaches too. It's like people think Patricia McDaniels
Speaker 1: leaving is going to kill them, and I think he's
Speaker 1: known who's going to replace them for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean, he he has those guys and he's been
Speaker 1: grooming them on the staff and they get groomed on
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. They aren't just niche specialists
Speaker 1: like they are in other organizations. They learned how to
Speaker 1: do multiple jobs and and that I'm surprised more organizations
Speaker 1: don't do. And one of the things I think he
Speaker 1: was a little ahead of the game on in terms
Speaker 1: of personnel, and I think the league is moving that
Speaker 1: way and the Eagles are a great example, is everything
Speaker 1: should be short term, like short term contracts, short term, uh,
Speaker 1: just change everything year by year. If you look back
Speaker 1: at what he did, especially in the early part of
Speaker 1: last decade, like he wasn't about getting into five six
Speaker 1: year real commitments. He's trying to change things really year
Speaker 1: by year and not worry as much about continuity outside
Speaker 1: of like a Dahlias Thomas. But I and I people
Speaker 1: can look at your list, we can dig into it.
Speaker 1: But he is specializes in fleecing teams that he cannot stand,
Speaker 1: and fleecing teams that are disorganized and sacks of dung.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's the Jets over and over. He
Speaker 1: like got Randy Moss from a bad Raiders team, a
Speaker 1: key to leave from the Bucks, West Welker from the
Speaker 1: Dolphins who couldn't sell Scout West Welker the way that
Speaker 1: the Patriots could. I mean, it's like one case after
Speaker 1: the other of him fleecing teams and teams he cannot stand.
Speaker 1: It's like I mean, it's it's not exactly like fantasy football.
Speaker 1: But when you play fantasy football, you if you're the
Speaker 1: best under the league, you take advantage of the worst
Speaker 1: owners in the league, the ones who aren't prepared, and
Speaker 1: you offer them a bunch of garbage names for actual
Speaker 1: good players. So you do five for one deals. That's
Speaker 1: what Belichick does with teams like the Brown I love
Speaker 1: what the right up about the Randy Moss trade, where
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin had to be corrected by Al Davis at
Speaker 1: the time because he was gonna get flee Stevin more
Speaker 1: than they were for what a fourth round pick for Moss.
Speaker 1: In the end, it was gonna be a six. It
Speaker 1: was gonna be a six. And now Davis stepped in
Speaker 1: and accused Belichick of taking advantage of of Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 1: And I can just imagine that conversation with mean Belichick
Speaker 1: like the cat who ate the canary, and now Davis
Speaker 1: comes up and sees him physically eating the canary. Randy
Speaker 1: Moss is West's number one spoiler award, which you might
Speaker 1: find ironic if you're a real football fan, because that
Speaker 1: is one move that did not bear any fruit of
Speaker 1: a Lombardi uh kind mean type for the fruit of
Speaker 1: having the best offensive season in NFL histor did that.
Speaker 1: But all, I mean a lot of these other moves
Speaker 1: that you have less in fact, pretty much all of them,
Speaker 1: maybe West Welker uh excluded lead to guys that collected
Speaker 1: rings along the way. Uh you know that hurt me
Speaker 1: a little bit. He said that Bellichick fleece the Jets.
Speaker 1: Well he made a great point that and this is
Speaker 1: you know this, it's not news to you. But in
Speaker 1: in one in the course of like a week, they
Speaker 1: lost Bill Parcels and Bill Belichick. That's like, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean Romercraft flee the jets there are for sure,
Speaker 1: but that's just life and that's your jet stock for
Speaker 1: the super Bowl week. I like that reminded me when
Speaker 1: you said the Bucks fleecing them hit. The list is
Speaker 1: so long and you did a great job. Corey Dylan
Speaker 1: is number five. You had Mike Rabels number four. It
Speaker 1: reminded me of a Bucks trade that that was so
Speaker 1: great and didn't even make this list. Le Garrett Blunt
Speaker 1: for future Olympian rock star Jeff Den. How many posts
Speaker 1: did we write about Jeff Dems back in the day.
Speaker 1: He's so fast, like essentially never materialized. Let's calm down
Speaker 1: with the speed. I goal what we're with, Like I
Speaker 1: know it was it was the end of his career.
Speaker 1: But Junior Sayal, who people wrote off, came into New
Speaker 1: England played I think four seasons for them. That that's
Speaker 1: a guy rob Nikovich didn't start with New England, right,
Speaker 1: I mean these are it's like there are for all
Speaker 1: these like failures, there's the incredible Junior say It was
Speaker 1: the last NFL game the Giants homely catch game. I
Speaker 1: think it might have been. It's a tough way to
Speaker 1: go out. There are dozens of junior say outs that
Speaker 1: you could have put on this list, chick taking chances
Speaker 1: on guys when the rest of the league thinks they're
Speaker 1: washed up, and on this list, I used Rodney Harrison
Speaker 1: for that category. And that's kind of what I liked
Speaker 1: about this project. There's like ten different categories of Belichick moves,
Speaker 1: and you just used one guy as the model for
Speaker 1: that category. Because plenty of times it's like a Kenny
Speaker 1: Britt signing or Michael Floyd, which is basically last year,
Speaker 1: which is no risk and in a perfect world that
Speaker 1: could be a big time high reward and and they
Speaker 1: and they know the team is good enough around in
Speaker 1: the kind of organ zation that it's not like Kenny
Speaker 1: Britt's gonna come in here and mess anything up. You
Speaker 1: can just take a look, see what happens. If it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, no one's ever gonna remember. You learn they're
Speaker 1: not infallible. When like Albert Haynesworth didn't go there and
Speaker 1: have two Pro Bowl seasons, that would have I think
Speaker 1: driven fans of every other team. Literally nuts, It's like
Speaker 1: he's still a mess there. He signed Haynesworth and Oo
Speaker 1: Sinco within hours and set back the organization. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was the worst little era or run of the
Speaker 1: Belichick era. Was like, I got it. It's good, good
Speaker 1: contribution to that conversation right there, twin Beds. That's fired.
Speaker 1: He's upset about the Minnesota people. Hey, listen, I got
Speaker 1: a whole city on my back in me. What you're
Speaker 1: gonna go on a teaching Fridays? My favorite, my favorite recurring,
Speaker 1: my favorite new recurring segment on the show is subtext
Speaker 1: between Dan and Mark. You just find you just find out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's not that new. I like open warfare
Speaker 1: between Greg Mark. Now, I don't know. I was trying
Speaker 1: to get comfortable making everyone Yeah, that's that's uncomfortable. We
Speaker 1: can move on to Greg's quarterback list. But I didn't
Speaker 1: want to mention Dion Lewis and Danny Amandula, two guys
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. They made out and Amundola, early
Speaker 1: in his Patriot's career, was injured quite a bit and
Speaker 1: Edelman rose as Amendola was following around that time. But
Speaker 1: he's been a terrific signing. He's last at half a
Speaker 1: half a decade there, and Dion Lewis signed a reserve
Speaker 1: future contract after sitting out the entire two thousand fourteen season.
Speaker 1: He was freely available to everyone. He's become one of
Speaker 1: the most valuable players in the team, and he was.
Speaker 1: He was initially went to Cleveland on a very good trade,
Speaker 1: I thought for the Browns. And then the Browns shift
Speaker 1: regimes and the next regime has no concept of Dion Lewis,
Speaker 1: So there he goes. Michael Lombardi brought him to New England.
Speaker 1: If your Patriots, if you made like a top ten
Speaker 1: most cold blooded, almost jerkish moves that have worked out
Speaker 1: well for the Patriots. It's forcing Danny Amendola to take
Speaker 1: pay cuts in like three straight off seasons before he
Speaker 1: wins you or gets you to a third Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean his leg. It's it's it's bizarre how valuable
Speaker 1: and important a Mendola has been to them in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl era. And okay, so check it out NFL
Speaker 1: dot com slash whistling to read that, and Greg wrote
Speaker 1: a top sixty Quarterbacks of the Super Bowler. In fact,
Speaker 1: you ranked every guy that started a game or appeared
Speaker 1: in the game was what was it was any quarterback
Speaker 1: that started a Super Bowl, including Nick Foles, who technically hasn't.
Speaker 1: It was very you know, time consuming. I check is
Speaker 1: furious with you. You was very angry. You know what
Speaker 1: a lot of people were furious with Damna check List
Speaker 1: when he tried a similar exercise a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what happens is that the did he
Speaker 1: do something similar to this now he did see subtext
Speaker 1: shocking that he did. He really is very passionate about it,
Speaker 1: given that care so I don't take any offense. He
Speaker 1: essentially was promotingent with his seven tweet UH straight storm
Speaker 1: about what I got wrong with it. So I was
Speaker 1: fine with that. It was good. I basically looked at
Speaker 1: who had the best career, and to me, I think
Speaker 1: you can judge a quarterback better in sixteen game regular season.
Speaker 1: Increments in playoffs obviously matter, but at some point then
Speaker 1: you get to a position if if you really are
Speaker 1: valuing the playoffs that like, you know, Eli Manning is
Speaker 1: better than Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer, uh is better
Speaker 1: than some other quarterback that's never even appeared in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I don't think that's fair. You have
Speaker 1: to look at the context around it. So I really
Speaker 1: kind of valued was he one of the best two
Speaker 1: or three quarterbacks in the league in a given year
Speaker 1: or what kind of all pro teams did he make?
Speaker 1: Was he a top five quarterbacks and given year? Was
Speaker 1: he top ten? I looked at, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like the statistical yards per attempt stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: if he didn't start the whole season, well, this was
Speaker 1: their whole career, so it was like who had the
Speaker 1: whole It wasn't really about if you started a game,
Speaker 1: super Bowl the list, but it's just who had the
Speaker 1: best career. So a guy like Dan Marino still ends
Speaker 1: up number five even though he only made one. I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you, Greg. I thought you were gonna be
Speaker 1: petty and Barry Eli and put him at like number
Speaker 1: fifty eight and then be like, oh he's now. He
Speaker 1: was never great for more than one season, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but is it you know, you look, you have been
Speaker 1: the fun to watch, which is like, you know, is
Speaker 1: really not although he was in the two thousand level,
Speaker 1: so he did a poor job of the list. Then
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, everyone else in that group. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a fun to wife. But he's makes seven tiers.
Speaker 1: He just got no But I'm just it is interesting
Speaker 1: to note, although you have him a twenty nine, that
Speaker 1: he and you have two and one, two and oh
Speaker 1: with the Giants and to the most iconic uh wins
Speaker 1: for the organization in their history because they both came
Speaker 1: over Bell Chick and Brady. Everyone ellse on the list
Speaker 1: lost their one super Bowl appearance with you, with the
Speaker 1: exception of Russell Wilson. So I don't know, I feel
Speaker 1: like my only quition if you look at the next time,
Speaker 1: maybe he goes up a tier just because the level
Speaker 1: that he achieved in the Super Bowl self. But that
Speaker 1: that's fine because on Eli Manning. I understand that there's
Speaker 1: differences in the reybody Eli Manning, but what is the
Speaker 1: credibility given to someone that didn't miss a game for
Speaker 1: like a decade plus kind of amazing, especially with that
Speaker 1: offensive line. That's that's that's why, that's why he is,
Speaker 1: That's why he's as high as he is. He's higher
Speaker 1: than guys like Joe Thisman, or Phil Simms or Jaworski
Speaker 1: or actually all of those, And that was what it
Speaker 1: was fun about this exercise was kind of figuring out
Speaker 1: who at least I thought were maybe underrated or I
Speaker 1: didn't realize I had such great careers. Ken Anderson seems
Speaker 1: like maybe the most underrated quarterback that's not in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, the quarterback that should be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Darryl Lemonica was another guy that stood
Speaker 1: out to me. Bob Greasy, people like the trash on
Speaker 1: but if you just look at his numbers year after
Speaker 1: year was pretty incredible. And if you look at Eli,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's ahead of all those guys like
Speaker 1: Jaws and who were in the top five in the
Speaker 1: league a lot more often Steve McNair than Eli Manning, right,
Speaker 1: and he's ahead mcdair and Jim Plunkett, who won two
Speaker 1: Super Bowls his way down the list. It shows you
Speaker 1: to me because and I think the challenge for we
Speaker 1: can get into this, but we're all of a certain
Speaker 1: nature where we did not watch some of these quarterbacks live.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the challenge. Well, but but we're at
Speaker 1: an age difference where my childhood was imbued with John Elway.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like he was the villain of
Speaker 1: my child. But then I grew to respect him when
Speaker 1: he won those late Super Bowls and if fair starts
Speaker 1: like what's he doing at number nine? But then it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you're right. He he fits at number nine. And it
Speaker 1: reminds you how many wonderful quarterbacks we've had a chance
Speaker 1: to watch over the years. But always is not a
Speaker 1: statistical quarterback. He was a magician who did incredible stuff.
Speaker 1: And Steve Young is sort of the same way, but
Speaker 1: he was by the end his his stats were out
Speaker 1: of control. Elway was someone that you put the ball
Speaker 1: in his hand with five minutes to go in the game,
Speaker 1: I don't care what's happening. You had a belief that
Speaker 1: he was going to get it done. He was hurt
Speaker 1: by losing those early Super Bowls, but what the way
Speaker 1: he finished his career is pretty incredible. The first eight
Speaker 1: guys in this list, the eight guys ahead of John Elway,
Speaker 1: what they all have in common is that I'm pointing
Speaker 1: their career. They all begged the question is he playing
Speaker 1: the position at the highest level it's ever played. Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: Johnny Unitis, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Brett Farvae
Speaker 1: Young and Aaron Rodgers would I like that. I like
Speaker 1: that category. Goat past here, and I think Elway after
Speaker 1: his career was over, a lot of people would have
Speaker 1: him in the top five rather than nine. But I
Speaker 1: don't think when he was playing, anyone ever said he's
Speaker 1: the best to ever do it. No, I just found him.
Speaker 1: He was just fascinating to watch. To me, like growing
Speaker 1: up in the eighties, everybody knew Marino was better than Elway,
Speaker 1: but then after their careers was over, because Elway went
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowls, people lumped him over Marina. And
Speaker 1: apologies to Rex Grossman bringing up the rear number sixty.
Speaker 1: Someone had to do it, somebody had. I did hear
Speaker 1: a lot of yes. I heard a lot of from
Speaker 1: a lot of people, though, Bears fans that were like,
Speaker 1: come on, David Woodley beds like, I don't know Tony Eason.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like the whis down here. But Tony
Speaker 1: Eastern was a bit of a workman like quarterback. He
Speaker 1: wasn't He only started like ten more games after the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and he only was a starter for about
Speaker 1: two seasons. I gave credit to like did you even play?
Speaker 1: And he didn't have a lot of Rex Grossman is
Speaker 1: left full three spots higher. That was seven right now
Speaker 1: he has a chance to move up with a nice
Speaker 1: that's pretty low, but I get it. Rex Ghosman has
Speaker 1: not left his man cave since seeing this article. His
Speaker 1: wife's like, honey, are you gonna come upstairs? You said
Speaker 1: you were gonna grill? Not yet, Rosenthal banged to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, what hit him? Getting slash just like a
Speaker 1: nonentity quarterback in the Super Bowl is is a new
Speaker 1: thing for him. It's got sixty six sees are off
Speaker 1: because you don't get a lot of top sixty lists
Speaker 1: for It's hard. It's hard to come back from that.
Speaker 1: He was ended and he's got a great nicknameshes the grille.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, NFL dot com slash Rosenthal to see that
Speaker 1: full list unpublished the article actually a few minutes, did okay,
Speaker 1: So if you could find the cash aid version. And
Speaker 1: then to the gentleman out there, uh, the huge Joe
Speaker 1: Cap fan that says he should be forty seven instead
Speaker 1: of fifty three. Back off, Joe Cap got cap, thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Here with NFL dot com is Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthum dot com. NFL dot com dot com. Keep you
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