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Speaker 1: Squar Space Baby Around the NFL Podcast believes in spiritualities
Speaker 1: from another dimension. Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas and
Speaker 1: I am joined by a room filled with some heroes.
Speaker 1: Chris Westling to my left, Greg Rosen thought to my right,
Speaker 1: what's up? Boys? Mark under the weather cannot be with
Speaker 1: us today, but hopefully we'll have them back later in
Speaker 1: the week. I think we will. I don't think this
Speaker 1: will keep them out for more than just this show.
Speaker 1: He'll be back and strong for when we tape our
Speaker 1: big free Agency preview later this week. Big Week, Big Week.
Speaker 1: This week we're gonna do our three regularly scheduled shows
Speaker 1: and we are now moving to the Monday, Wednesday Friday
Speaker 1: offseason schedule. But in addition to that are big Free
Speaker 1: Agency Primer Preview. West you had a nice name for it.
Speaker 1: It was the what free agency brainstorm is? You know,
Speaker 1: I like it like when West workshops names, and that
Speaker 1: was a good one. Well, the quiet storm isn't here,
Speaker 1: so we need a different storm, Yeah, exactly, So, so
Speaker 1: that is coming up a little later in the week.
Speaker 1: It's a video show. Um that will live on the
Speaker 1: website and hopefully we'll get it up on YouTube and
Speaker 1: it will have some visibility. But in advance of that,
Speaker 1: a little later on today's show, we'll do a m
Speaker 1: our own little primer. It's a primer of the primer
Speaker 1: double primer. Bro It's it's a start. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: banging through this, slicing it up a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: but kind of a first look ahead at the market
Speaker 1: using the mind of the scientists. Chris West, did you
Speaker 1: know I've heard NPR type places pronounce it primer pm
Speaker 1: y y. Yeah, I've heard that come back to us.
Speaker 1: Peter Pan. Yeah. Read a book the pretentious people pronounce it.
Speaker 1: Read a book npr uh. The Premier League, Primer League,
Speaker 1: the primer League. Greg, you were you always take the
Speaker 1: week off after the Super Bowl, especially good timing after
Speaker 1: the humiliation suffered by your favorite football team to begin
Speaker 1: the week. But now and the way it works out
Speaker 1: perfectly because now it's almost like ancient history. So congratulate
Speaker 1: bully for you. That's that's not true of the that
Speaker 1: it's ancient history. I don't know if it was a humiliation,
Speaker 1: but I am always left and it's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I've enjoyed taking that week off every year for
Speaker 1: the last four years. There's always a sort of emptiness
Speaker 1: when you get past the end of the season. It's
Speaker 1: it's something you've been pushing to for so long. The
Speaker 1: super Bowl week itself is something you put so much into.
Speaker 1: You're so focused, You put a lot into the season
Speaker 1: that you just I don't know, mentally and everything. You
Speaker 1: just feel kind of awful on that Monday, and like
Speaker 1: I just don't want to I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to wash football off of me. As much I love football.
Speaker 1: I need to wash football off of me for a week,
Speaker 1: spent some time with the kids, you know, just forget
Speaker 1: about it. And now that I've been I've been through
Speaker 1: three Super Bowl Patriot losses that I've attended, there's an
Speaker 1: extra level of that where I'm not going through all
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl content, you know, recaps and sound effects
Speaker 1: for the week. I really wanted to get away from it.
Speaker 1: Last week. I definitely identify with washing it off of
Speaker 1: you factor because I just realized this year it's the
Speaker 1: worst week for Super Bowl for for NFL coverage. Everything
Speaker 1: is just exploded way beyond what it should be, blown
Speaker 1: out of proportion. Everything is minutely uh from the over examina, yeah,
Speaker 1: over examined. Everything is just blown way out of proportion.
Speaker 1: I can't stand it. Was a huge newsweek, sneaking neek
Speaker 1: um two things, two points. Last year when the Patriots
Speaker 1: had been amazing coming back come back against the Falcons,
Speaker 1: I avoided all of the like sound effects and all
Speaker 1: that great stuff. But if it's a game that you
Speaker 1: enjoyed watching like that, I enjoyed watching the Eagles beating
Speaker 1: the past. I ingested all of those shows that the
Speaker 1: NFL films as always if you although maybe the storylines
Speaker 1: coming out of the Super Bowl were a little like
Speaker 1: annoying last week, watching all that great coverage of a
Speaker 1: great Super Bowl was fun. One of the first things
Speaker 1: I always do, and this is when the Patriots aren't
Speaker 1: whether they're involved or not, is go watch the game
Speaker 1: broadcast of it. You know, even when it's a bad
Speaker 1: game like the Panthers Broncos, Like, I want to go
Speaker 1: watch that. See how everyone experienced, watch all the shows
Speaker 1: that's great, not this this time, I wasn't really feeling it,
Speaker 1: so I tried to get as much you know, beach time.
Speaker 1: That really makes you feel like you're away from the NFL.
Speaker 1: You're like on a beach and you see the ocean.
Speaker 1: And then the other part of it, Greg, is that
Speaker 1: that empty neess to speak of the whole Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with football. That's just something that's sitting
Speaker 1: in there. That's something that you need to, you know,
Speaker 1: work through. We all on some level have something inside
Speaker 1: that an unfillable hole, uh, and we we try to
Speaker 1: mask it with perfume a k a. Professional football, but
Speaker 1: something bigger. I think there's I think there's something to that.
Speaker 1: Although having been through. It's it's crazy. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like how many times I've I now have a routine
Speaker 1: of like the Patriots losing the Super Bowl, Like what
Speaker 1: that's like the next week and winning the Super Bowl too.
Speaker 1: It's just a weird It's I'm not it's thrown a
Speaker 1: vis but I'm not be moaning it. But it's a
Speaker 1: Union fan experience, right, You would have to admit I
Speaker 1: was surprised how many tweets I saw Sunday from people
Speaker 1: be moaning the lack of NFL football. I thought it
Speaker 1: was glorious. I couldn't wait to have like a Sunday
Speaker 1: free Well, we have a different experience than and we
Speaker 1: know we're gonna jump back into it. That's the thing, too,
Speaker 1: is free agency is a big deal to us here
Speaker 1: just as a website, in this podcast, and like we
Speaker 1: dive into that hardcore. So it's you definitely need a
Speaker 1: little bit West. You look good, you look well, you
Speaker 1: look like you're on track for recovery. You're wearing your
Speaker 1: Hammermaid sweater. The our friend at Hammermaid that hooked us
Speaker 1: up at the Ball of America than Ryan cons. Ryan
Speaker 1: cons he didn't with us. And you're looking looking good, um,
Speaker 1: which great, has a Yankee candle sitting in front of them,
Speaker 1: which but that is not my Yankee. Nice smell though
Speaker 1: I like it is from Western Massachusetts where yeah, I'm from.
Speaker 1: That's a full time touch and I appreciate it. Yeah, Lindsay,
Speaker 1: now that we're not taping videos, just puts a candle up.
Speaker 1: Lindsay likes cats and can do that and professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: This is what we've learned about Lindia so far. Cats, candles,
Speaker 1: pro wrestling, and sometimes she puts color in her hand.
Speaker 1: Leather jackets, leather jackets. I like dogs too, probably do much,
Speaker 1: if not more than cats. But good for you anyway.
Speaker 1: So West, uh, West is looking well, but we want
Speaker 1: to maybe try to help West if we can, and
Speaker 1: maybe the listeners can join us. Yeah, and West is
Speaker 1: probably uncomfortable sitting in the room while I talk about it.
Speaker 1: He's got it. He's leaning back in his chair with
Speaker 1: his hands like his fingers interlocked on his head. So
Speaker 1: I'll keep it. I'll keep it brief. We we don't
Speaker 1: need to go on too long. We've started a go
Speaker 1: fund Me page to help West pay these medical costs,
Speaker 1: which have built up over the last nine months. It's
Speaker 1: something that we've intended to do for a while. Now
Speaker 1: it's the end of the season. It lines up nicely
Speaker 1: with the great news if if you haven't listened that
Speaker 1: West finished up his chemo in mid January, which was
Speaker 1: a big step. You're feeling a lot better since then, right,
Speaker 1: feeling so much. It's it's night and day difference, step,
Speaker 1: grothy step. I still haven't put on weight. Um, there
Speaker 1: are days when I still like feel like I take
Speaker 1: a few steps back. But but for the most part,
Speaker 1: my life has changed immeasurably for the better. And and
Speaker 1: for any new listeners are jumped in and come back
Speaker 1: where West was diagnosed with esophagal cancer. That was back
Speaker 1: in May, and uh so, even though we have great
Speaker 1: insurance here at the NFL and and all that, like,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of extra costs and we wanted
Speaker 1: to help West out. And I know the podcast listeners
Speaker 1: love Wes and we we had that great meet up
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and they even asked for ways to help out,
Speaker 1: like different different things like that. And you've you've helped
Speaker 1: us out in the past, so this is one where
Speaker 1: we're where we're asking for for your help and we
Speaker 1: set up a go fund me page. It's go fund
Speaker 1: me dot com slash Chris Westling takes out the Big Sea.
Speaker 1: But if you just well you gotta put a name on.
Speaker 1: If you just search Chris Wesseling, Uh, you can find
Speaker 1: it and go fund me where obviously posted on Twitter
Speaker 1: on my account. You can go look for it will
Speaker 1: be pinned there. You can go look at the Reddit board.
Speaker 1: Will definitely pin it there. And obviously any any help
Speaker 1: smaller large, UH would appreciate. That's so that's that's probably
Speaker 1: the most important vanity. You are all we've had, and
Speaker 1: that is definitely if they go fund me dot com
Speaker 1: slash Chris Westling takes out the Big Sea. Help out
Speaker 1: West if you can. I can only imagine what I mean.
Speaker 1: And West would never ask for this, by the way,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm saying he's like probably feeling mildly uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: He would never actually do this for himself, just because
Speaker 1: that's kind of uh, the guy he is. But I
Speaker 1: know that, Uh, it's it's been something that's been piling up.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's no joke. The bills, No, it's no joke.
Speaker 1: And thank you guys for putting it together, thank the
Speaker 1: listeners for for any help they're willing to give. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: my biggest worry is is really future expenses that you
Speaker 1: don't even see popping up because every time the worst
Speaker 1: thing about this diseases, every time you think you're getting better,
Speaker 1: you take a few steps back and there's more tests,
Speaker 1: more scans, more problems. I mean, hey, I might want
Speaker 1: to have kids someday. Who knows what will pop up
Speaker 1: in that connection? You know, watch out sound of that. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so help out West if you can, and and thank
Speaker 1: you to everybody it advanced, because we know our listeners
Speaker 1: are the best. Uh So, like I said, free agency
Speaker 1: primer coming up. But before we do that, let's get
Speaker 1: caught up on the news across the National Football League.
Speaker 1: Sound James Wye pitches it back, Daddy of it All.
Speaker 1: He throws a lot to Brady off. He's got to
Speaker 1: catch that k Malcolm Jenkins from The Great Sound Effects Show. Uh,
Speaker 1: Pat's Brady on the helmet after his drop on the
Speaker 1: throw and says come on Tom twice and Brady just
Speaker 1: stares straight ahead like I hate myself. I don't want
Speaker 1: to die. Do you think Brady slept at all this
Speaker 1: past week. I mean, such a crazy competitor, that loss
Speaker 1: probably sticks. And even though he played tremendously, he's in
Speaker 1: Costa Rica living it up with his supermodel wife. I
Speaker 1: think he's learned. He's probably learned, uh, how to deal
Speaker 1: with these Super Bowl losses as much as they are painful,
Speaker 1: and he probably realized he never forgets. He's probably like
Speaker 1: he's even learned that the best plan to how to
Speaker 1: attack like the Super Bowl hangover. Yeah, Costa Rico, which
Speaker 1: is out. I mean that sounds like a nice way
Speaker 1: to get over a setback in your life. Let's start
Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts. Of course. On Thursday, um we
Speaker 1: talked about at the sky fell in on the Colts
Speaker 1: when Josh McDaniels was talked out of becoming their head
Speaker 1: coach by the Patriots, which led to Chris Ballard's press
Speaker 1: conference where he explained, Listen, we're gonna keep moving forward.
Speaker 1: There was no situation where we're gonna try to talk
Speaker 1: Josh into it. Once he he let it be known
Speaker 1: that he had second thoughts and was changing his mind.
Speaker 1: We're moving forward, and they act on that. They act
Speaker 1: quickly and hire Eagles offensive coordinator Frank Reich, who signed
Speaker 1: a contract. It is signed, nothing can change. On Sunday
Speaker 1: to become the Cults head coach. The team announced it's
Speaker 1: a five year deal um according to Mike Aarafolo, and
Speaker 1: this happened came together very quickly. Greg a team that
Speaker 1: that knew they were up against it as soon as
Speaker 1: McDaniels let them know what was happening. And Frank Reich
Speaker 1: seems like a nice choice. We'll see. But given the
Speaker 1: situation there and getting Reik done, they can move forward now,
Speaker 1: which was vital for them. Yeah, And as a lot
Speaker 1: of people point out, you go from hiring the losing
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator of the Super Bowl to the winning one.
Speaker 1: And Frank Reich is a guy who didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of hype throughout the season because Doug Peterson was
Speaker 1: getting it, or Jim Schwartz or even John d Filippo,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach. But it's really difficult when there's a
Speaker 1: successful team like the Eagles to kind of apportion credit.
Speaker 1: I think it's even difficult for the people inside the
Speaker 1: Eagles building. And it was always a little strange to
Speaker 1: me that Reich got so little credit. Has a great reputation,
Speaker 1: there's kind of. I'm at the point where there's almost
Speaker 1: no way to know who's gonna be, who's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good head coach or not unless they if if
Speaker 1: they show that they sort of have a system that
Speaker 1: they've moved around with and it's work that you at
Speaker 1: least know they have that. But that's pretty rare even
Speaker 1: to find that, and and Rich that wouldn't be the case.
Speaker 1: But he's been a coordinator for the Chargers, done a
Speaker 1: great job in a great organization for the Eagles, and
Speaker 1: I like, I like what little I've heard of him
Speaker 1: and from him. Yeah, it's it's hard to separate that
Speaker 1: collaborative effort in Philly. And it's also a lesson for
Speaker 1: us as an industry that we place way too much
Speaker 1: emphasis on the head coach higher even though we can't
Speaker 1: possibly know how he's gonna be, and not enough emphasis
Speaker 1: on who is coaching staff is going to be, because
Speaker 1: look at the Eagles coaching staff in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Filippo de Filippo, Frank Reik, Doug Peterson, who had a
Speaker 1: better trio of coaches on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Um But it's also a return home for Frank Rich,
Speaker 1: who got his coaching start with the Colts, And I
Speaker 1: guess that's what I meant when I setting that up,
Speaker 1: that who knows if Reik actually is gonna be able
Speaker 1: to do it? And like West is saying, will he
Speaker 1: be able to have a staff, He's gonna be. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be. A lot of his staff is gonna be
Speaker 1: guys that were brought in that had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with him because of the situation with McDaniels. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to get the offense coordinator of the Eagles
Speaker 1: as your head coach. Uh, considering the situation they were
Speaker 1: in a few days ago, it could have been worse.
Speaker 1: It could have been a lot worse. Yeah, they did well,
Speaker 1: and it shows how quickly change happens in the NFL.
Speaker 1: This this is a guy who has fired as offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator of the Chargers just two years ago. And you wonder,
Speaker 1: I always wonder with coaches, how much do they learn
Speaker 1: at every stop along the way. Doug Peterson has proven
Speaker 1: to be one of the best head coaches in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and how could you not learn from him? He might
Speaker 1: even learn from John d Filippo under him. So I
Speaker 1: think Frank w Reich probably a different guy. He put
Speaker 1: the game plans together for the Eagles, but didn't call plays.
Speaker 1: With the Chargers, he did call play so he does
Speaker 1: have experience in and I really liked him hearing him
Speaker 1: speak after the Super Bowl. He was a guy that
Speaker 1: a lot of people I think couldn't have been happy for,
Speaker 1: from his through his playing career to this moment getting
Speaker 1: a super Bowl and the way he talked about his
Speaker 1: players and his coaches, like he sounded like a head coach,
Speaker 1: if for whatever that's like. He sounded like a head coach,
Speaker 1: and I know the people in that building really love it.
Speaker 1: Also kind of looks like Scott Bacula of quantum Leap,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that people sleep on that and
Speaker 1: necessary roughness, which one was one of the great bad
Speaker 1: nineties is I don't know. I mean seen him in
Speaker 1: person though. Did you see him during the super Bowl
Speaker 1: week at all? I can see how you see that
Speaker 1: with the pictures, but I've seen him in person. Not
Speaker 1: really a vaculent type, not a baculate type. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Maybe as when he was leading the Bills
Speaker 1: to his he was definitely back. You'll esque I'm not
Speaker 1: as good at this kind of stuff, is Scott Vacula
Speaker 1: like on the heartthrob scale, where does he fall? Uh? Like,
Speaker 1: where did he fall? In his prime? He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say he wasn't Tom Crue, he wasn't Cruise,
Speaker 1: but he was probably ahead of like Kirk Cameron. He's
Speaker 1: probably what I knew I had a Kirk Cameron. PI.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not dating myself. We're talking specifically
Speaker 1: about this arrow, so I don't think Bacula though you
Speaker 1: weren't even in existence at this time. I feel like
Speaker 1: Bacula might be the choice for a woman living on
Speaker 1: the edge of town with a cat named Boo and
Speaker 1: heating up like a can of soup for one. But
Speaker 1: like younger girls had a big thing for Kirk Cameron,
Speaker 1: who I don't know. I don't know what was that.
Speaker 1: It seems like lonely women would have a thing for
Speaker 1: Scott Vacula. Interesting. Well, let's clip that sound bite off
Speaker 1: when we have Scott on the show or Frank anyway.
Speaker 1: We also mentioned John d Filippo. Uh, he has a
Speaker 1: new job the Eagles just getting Pilford right now? Is
Speaker 1: that's how it happens? But uh d Filippo, who was
Speaker 1: uh the quarterbacks coach and a lot of people like
Speaker 1: d Filippo, Mark Sessler, who's under under the weather. A
Speaker 1: little update for the listeners still ill uh He wrote
Speaker 1: about d Filippo and as a big fan, but he
Speaker 1: is now moving on to Minnesota to become their Viking,
Speaker 1: to become the Vikings offensive coordinator. He replaces Pat Shermer,
Speaker 1: of course, who took over as the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Giants West. Why are people so hot about Johnny
Speaker 1: d Well? He's done a good job in several places
Speaker 1: have been He helped develop Derek carr Uh in Oakland,
Speaker 1: he helped develop Carson Wentz in Philadelphia, and guys like
Speaker 1: Brian Baldinger who is around that program in Philadelphia, have
Speaker 1: called him the guy most like Sean McVeigh as far
Speaker 1: as a young quarterback guru, offensive guru um and I've
Speaker 1: seen him break down some films and videos of him.
Speaker 1: He does have some He does have charisma. I think
Speaker 1: he's got head coaching potential. And if you're the Vikings
Speaker 1: and you lost Pat Shermer, I don't think you can
Speaker 1: do any better than getting to and you think West,
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned earlier you you think they would
Speaker 1: be in the mix for Cousins because of d Filippo
Speaker 1: in any way or or or how do you think
Speaker 1: it might impact who they go after a course, Well,
Speaker 1: I've been of the opinion that the Vikings probably won't
Speaker 1: be as um aggressive as the Jets and Broncos and
Speaker 1: free agency because I don't think it's his dire of
Speaker 1: a need, especially when you can probably bring back one
Speaker 1: of those three quarterbacks that you have and you don't
Speaker 1: have any quarterbacks though, so that's pretty dire. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: at the moment, you've got the possibility that you use
Speaker 1: the transition tag on on case keenum Um, you might
Speaker 1: get Teddy Bridgewater's contract might toll over to another year
Speaker 1: because of his sitting out um the first six weeks
Speaker 1: of the season on puplist, So there's some options there.
Speaker 1: But there is one report that came out Super Bowl
Speaker 1: Week from a local radio station. Actually they're played by
Speaker 1: play guy Paul Allen said that Kirk Cousins says the
Speaker 1: Vikings is number one on his wish list, and d
Speaker 1: Filippo told the Star Tribune that he's going to leave
Speaker 1: note stone unturned in this QB search, said that he
Speaker 1: has like an equal say or did he say equals
Speaker 1: say as much says they'll allow him as much to
Speaker 1: say that's different, as much says they'll allow him. Uh,
Speaker 1: in terms of who they bring in, Yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: sense that he should have a big voice in the room.
Speaker 1: I think. Uh. Since Rick Spielman took over six years ago,
Speaker 1: they've had five different quarterbacks lead the team in passing.
Speaker 1: Reuben Foster in trouble again. The forty Niners linebacker arrested
Speaker 1: on suspicion of domestic violence, threats and assault weapon possession
Speaker 1: charges Sunday morning in California. UH police confirmed to NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com incident remains under investigation. Forty Niners aware of it. Obviously.
Speaker 1: It is the second arrest for Foster in the last month.
Speaker 1: He was the thirty first overall pick in last year's draft.
Speaker 1: He got booked on a marijuana charge uh in January. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is a really uh big time talent, greg But
Speaker 1: at a time with a lot of great news around
Speaker 1: the forty Niners, Foster is becoming somebody they have to
Speaker 1: be very worried about. Yeah. Our our guy, Ian Rappaport,
Speaker 1: the NFL Network insider You're unaware, believes it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a long process, no quick resolution is expected, which is
Speaker 1: interesting in light of another incident with the forty in
Speaker 1: domestic violence, which I believe was Tremaine brock uh during
Speaker 1: the during last season or building during training camp last year,
Speaker 1: I think where they cut him quickly. But as we've
Speaker 1: said on this show, you know, teams take moral stance
Speaker 1: as a lot of times with borderline players, and they're
Speaker 1: more willing to let the process play out when it's
Speaker 1: a star player. And I don't think anyone expects Reuben
Speaker 1: Foster to get released anytime soon, but the NFL has
Speaker 1: a very hard and fast six game suspension for domestic violence,
Speaker 1: and now that this is to arrest in a row
Speaker 1: and the details of it, I mean, it could make
Speaker 1: it longer than that. It's it's weapons charges as well. Well.
Speaker 1: The forty hinders came out and said they would have
Speaker 1: considered Reuben Foster with the number three overall pick in
Speaker 1: the draft if the planets aligned in that direction last year,
Speaker 1: and they got a ton of credit for getting him
Speaker 1: where they did. But a lot of guys around the
Speaker 1: NFL said, yeah, talent wise, we had him as a
Speaker 1: first round pick. We just knew he was too big
Speaker 1: of a risk character wise to take him there and
Speaker 1: for some for some perspective, and I think people if
Speaker 1: you went around the leagues and said what defensive player
Speaker 1: was the most impressive from this rookie class other than
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lattimore, it would have been Ruben Foster. I mean
Speaker 1: he might have been the most. He might have looked
Speaker 1: about as good as any player in the entire rookie class,
Speaker 1: I would say per game around, along with Lattimore and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously some of the the offensive players. But
Speaker 1: that's how how good he looked as a rookie, And
Speaker 1: so that would be a huge loss if he's gone
Speaker 1: for a long long time. Yeah, when he was healthy,
Speaker 1: he and Deforres Buckner were there two best defensive players.
Speaker 1: Ruben Foster a young guy trying to stay on the
Speaker 1: right path in the NFL. Johnny Manzel was a guy
Speaker 1: that could not do it, and he washed out of
Speaker 1: the league quickly. We haven't talked about Johnny football in
Speaker 1: a while, but let's just check in with him because
Speaker 1: he did an interview with Good Morning America. I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's any heat between Good Morning Football and Good
Speaker 1: Morning America, Little ABC versus NFL let's lawyer up and
Speaker 1: get to work. Well, Good Morning America, I believe pre
Speaker 1: dates Good Morning Football, So I'm just saying no, so
Speaker 1: that I don't think that's true. Actually the heat would
Speaker 1: be directed towards the NFL, but should be ridiculous because frankly,
Speaker 1: Good Morning America. Uh, you're not the top Good Morning anymore.
Speaker 1: You're We've come for your Good Morning corner. You might
Speaker 1: have your little Michael Strahan and whatever else going on
Speaker 1: over there. We've got chemistry, We've got a show that's
Speaker 1: all football. You give me shrager, give me a shrag
Speaker 1: bomb any day over Robin Roberts type. That's all I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say. They don't have a Kyle Brandt on Good
Speaker 1: Morning America. Look, Kay, Adams flying High did not expect
Speaker 1: any shots towards Robin Roberts on this show, but you
Speaker 1: didn't say it was a shot, not necessarily shot, but
Speaker 1: all right anyway, Uh yeah, man's that was on Good
Speaker 1: Morning America, which they could be like, what's this? I
Speaker 1: love Good Morning America? How dare you? Guys? I think
Speaker 1: it is the number one morning show on forever, and
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, I've never seen one episode of Good
Speaker 1: Morning America, shots fired. My mom was a Today's show
Speaker 1: perst n As, as was my well. I kind of
Speaker 1: rerapped the peacock in general. My wife works for the company.
Speaker 1: To full disclosure. Anyway, that's network talking. We'll save that
Speaker 1: for the major network podcast coming up a little later
Speaker 1: in the offseason. Uh big ghet. Though. For Good Morning America,
Speaker 1: they got Johnny Manzella talk about his troubled his troubles
Speaker 1: and here's what Johnny had to say, revealing that he
Speaker 1: was diagnosed as bipolar. And before that diagnosis came, uh,
Speaker 1: he messed up. Going back throughout the last a couple
Speaker 1: of years of my life, I was self medicating with
Speaker 1: alcohol and guess what I thought was making me happy
Speaker 1: and help me get out of that depression to a
Speaker 1: point of where I felt like I had some sense
Speaker 1: of happiness. But at the end of the day, near
Speaker 1: left staring at the ceiling by yourself, and you're back
Speaker 1: in that that depression and back in the whole a
Speaker 1: dark hole of sitting in a room by yourself, being
Speaker 1: super depressed, thinking about all the mistakes you've made in
Speaker 1: your life. What did that get me? Where did that
Speaker 1: get me? Except out of the NFL. Where did that
Speaker 1: get me? Disgrace? You hope, you hope West that that
Speaker 1: the light did go on from Manzel. He has become
Speaker 1: a punch line, and he earns his punch line status.
Speaker 1: But this guy was a fascinating college prospect, a guy
Speaker 1: that a lot of I still remember walking home from
Speaker 1: Radio City Music Hall with Mark Sessler back to the
Speaker 1: hotel in New York, and both of us are kind
Speaker 1: of him obviously on fire as the Browns, but even
Speaker 1: me as just a friend of Marx and a guy that, oh,
Speaker 1: the Browns finally going to become exciting again. And then
Speaker 1: to see all that get wiped away so quickly, you
Speaker 1: hope that he's going to figure it out. His football
Speaker 1: career probably over at this level, but if you can
Speaker 1: get his life back on track, that would be Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him get his life back on track.
Speaker 1: I think most of us in America believe in second chances.
Speaker 1: It feels like Johnny Manziel has had more than two
Speaker 1: chances by now. Um, it doesn't surprise me that that
Speaker 1: he's had a wake up call in epiphany. It's almost
Speaker 1: like this is in the script about this time in
Speaker 1: his career. You expect him to say, oh, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: learned some lessons. I hope to get another shot. The
Speaker 1: book's coming next, Yeah, the book's coming next. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if his game's ever going to translate to
Speaker 1: the NFL level. I just don't know if he ever
Speaker 1: had it. So, I mean, he's so slight and frame
Speaker 1: take everything else out of And Marvin Lewis called him
Speaker 1: a midget. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say, great, Well, just maybe he'll get a
Speaker 1: chance and in the CFL or the XFL. I don't know.
Speaker 1: XFL is never gonna actually happen, by the way, but that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's in a couple of years. It's tricky because
Speaker 1: you can see he's trying to, you know, do a
Speaker 1: public um rehabilitation too along with what he's doing privately,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's challenging. I mean, my brother's bipolar.
Speaker 1: My I've had have a lot of family and friends
Speaker 1: have who have dealt with melt mental illness, and adding
Speaker 1: whatever else is going on in Johnny Manziel's life, including
Speaker 1: substance abuse, which was a significant part part of all this.
Speaker 1: Trying to handle all that in addition to like you're
Speaker 1: making this public announcement and kind of campaign almost to
Speaker 1: kind of get back, and it's all it's it's tricky.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's tough to accomplish all of
Speaker 1: that and being under the spotlight. And I think being
Speaker 1: a world famous quarterback does not make any of that
Speaker 1: path easier. And it's not a it's not a straight path.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm breaking any news here. But it's
Speaker 1: not like you're like, Okay, well now now I know
Speaker 1: that everything's cool. Now now I'm I'm good to go.
Speaker 1: It's it's a daily, yearly. It's something you're dealing with,
Speaker 1: you know, for your life, and I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it's tough. It's a weird combination of like trying to
Speaker 1: get his career. I don't know if his career as
Speaker 1: a quarterback goes with all that. I think that path
Speaker 1: has more twists and turns For a guy who comes
Speaker 1: from wealth, has been spoiled for most of his career,
Speaker 1: has had opportunities that other people wouldn't get, and his
Speaker 1: head excuses made for him that other people wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: I think all of that contributes to where he is
Speaker 1: right now. Um, finally in the news, Lara Fitzgerald. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's slept pro am time for NFL players. Uh, if
Speaker 1: you're not aware what that is, golfing and you get
Speaker 1: paired up with a professional and it's basically a two
Speaker 1: man team, Am I right? I think this is all right.
Speaker 1: It's up Pebble Street, right up the Pebble st we're
Speaker 1: really showing our golf. Hey, yeah, you just take a
Speaker 1: left on old Pebble Street. You ever play? Oh, she's abute.
Speaker 1: I've been to that course. Wait do they I see?
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I feel like at the end
Speaker 1: of the tournament though, it's just like the real players
Speaker 1: are in the final groups or do they have it
Speaker 1: where like Bill Murray's walking with the guy who's trying
Speaker 1: to win the tournament at the end of the day
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I feel like that. Before you dig into
Speaker 1: that a little bit, let me just say that Larry Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: along with p G A pro Kevin Streelman, big Streelman
Speaker 1: fan over here, won the A T and T Pebble
Speaker 1: Street Pro Am over the weekend when they score forty
Speaker 1: one under par and included a twelve under sixty in
Speaker 1: the Sunday's final round. That's how you close out. It's
Speaker 1: like when Jack, when Tiger used to put on the
Speaker 1: red shirt and you say, I'm just gonna destroy everybody
Speaker 1: on sing victory Red. Wait forty one under par? Yeah
Speaker 1: it must. I mean where they was like a mini
Speaker 1: golf course. Beach was like tough, we don't know anything.
Speaker 1: They must No, I think this is a par forty seven.
Speaker 1: The little I know is that they make professional golf
Speaker 1: course Like if if a pro PGA guys just going
Speaker 1: out on your normal courses, Yeah, they're they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: put up some insane numbers. They make it so difficult
Speaker 1: for the pros that when they have an event like
Speaker 1: this where they maybe they kind of got to even
Speaker 1: and out because you got all these amateurs actually playing
Speaker 1: with them, that the pros just eat, just crush them, crushing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh well there you go. That makes sense. Great,
Speaker 1: good job, um. And I I consider myself a pretty
Speaker 1: big sports fan, not just football. One of my weaknesses
Speaker 1: has always been in like casual especially if like guys
Speaker 1: talking sports. I'm always completely okay. I could talk in
Speaker 1: like a party or a bar or whatever. But if
Speaker 1: I'm a total bro. But if somebody starts talking golf
Speaker 1: and and somebody starts throwing around the word handicap, I
Speaker 1: start to sweat because I still don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: It's like, what's your handicap? Don't don't ask me that
Speaker 1: because I don't know what that means. Does anybody know
Speaker 1: what handicap? Of course I know, I worked at two
Speaker 1: golf course. What does it mean? High school? But I
Speaker 1: actually don't care. Don't tell Yeah, I leave the room
Speaker 1: and go find an interesting conversation. Go, no, I do,
Speaker 1: I will, I will watch I liked I loved playing
Speaker 1: golf as a kid, as like you know, when I
Speaker 1: worked at the courses and then in college and stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of gone by the wayside with TI
Speaker 1: and I've lived in cities where it's not easy, and
Speaker 1: especially I never liked watching I thought it was a
Speaker 1: terrible spectator sport. And I watched everything as a as
Speaker 1: a kid, and I even though I love playing it,
Speaker 1: I never like watching it. I think you're crazy. I
Speaker 1: think there's honestly one of the most exciting events in
Speaker 1: sports is Sunday at the Master. Yeah, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: I'm with you to see the beauty of the course,
Speaker 1: especially that time of year in Georgia. You could just
Speaker 1: go to Google maps for that. That. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: rather read a book I've been putting off for sixteen
Speaker 1: years than watch golf. Well, west strong opinion on golf
Speaker 1: the Masters is which one's father's day is at the
Speaker 1: US Open. Yeah, that's another great one. I like watching
Speaker 1: that on Sundays are But anyway, good golf talk. My
Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask, so congratulations to Larry fitz
Speaker 1: for winning that. What leisure activity would you, gentlemen, go
Speaker 1: all in on if you had the time or resources.
Speaker 1: West I'm guessing it's not golf for you. What would
Speaker 1: it be? Now? I am terrible at golf. I think
Speaker 1: I've probably made the most money in two on two basketball.
Speaker 1: But at this stage in my life, this is your
Speaker 1: leisure activity. Well, you don't necessarily need to make money
Speaker 1: in this leisure activity, but but you've made a lot
Speaker 1: of money into a bathroom. Billy Hoyle and a white
Speaker 1: man jump in early twenties. There was a friend of
Speaker 1: mine and I we say we don't lace him up
Speaker 1: for less than twenty Wow, that's see that saved that
Speaker 1: I want I actually would watch that pod or listen
Speaker 1: to that podcasts like Loops Hustling save that for the
Speaker 1: low level gambling. You joke about Billy Hoyle, But we
Speaker 1: went by the King and the Duck. Who was the
Speaker 1: king and who's the duck? I was the duck? Why
Speaker 1: was that? You're playing style was ducks dusk duck esque. No.
Speaker 1: I think if you take a look at West, you're
Speaker 1: not like, hey there's a basketball star. No offense we want,
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, we're playing in Mama Boy suburbia, so
Speaker 1: we want about sev straight games with two on two.
Speaker 1: Wait so wait, so that's your answer, you're gonna breaking.
Speaker 1: I think corn holes the answer at this stage of
Speaker 1: my life. I think that would be the leisure time
Speaker 1: activity I could most uh the most best chance of mastering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought about I thought about corn because I enjoyed
Speaker 1: playing it. It's outdoors, you can drink one thing I
Speaker 1: I've always been good at and I could get really
Speaker 1: good at it if I just practice. Was shooting a
Speaker 1: little stick, playing a little pool. Oh yeah, I've seen
Speaker 1: your scat Man Crawls act. Yeah, I took down I
Speaker 1: took down scat Man Crawler's once at a he was
Speaker 1: a pool shark at a bar. Uh lost and found
Speaker 1: here in West l A. And he was so angry.
Speaker 1: That's made up Pansas name. I just realized from a
Speaker 1: scot Macrawler is a famous actor. Rest in peace. But
Speaker 1: uh he was in the shining But uh, this man
Speaker 1: looked like scat Man Crawlers. Might have been the ghost
Speaker 1: of scat Man Crawler's But he was like one of
Speaker 1: those pool sharks that goes to the same table, brings
Speaker 1: his own stick. Where's the glove? And then this jamac
Speaker 1: rolls over the old zeuser and grabbed the stick off
Speaker 1: the wall. And I took him down, and he was
Speaker 1: so angry that he left the bar. The said the
Speaker 1: ghost out Mark. Mark and I were witnesses for this.
Speaker 1: But and I am I could play pool, I just
Speaker 1: have not. I played so little now that I don't
Speaker 1: have the skills. You have to practice. But if I
Speaker 1: could do that, if I had all this time in
Speaker 1: the world. So it was a scenario. You've you've made
Speaker 1: a lot of money and you can just do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. Are we are we still working at the NFL.
Speaker 1: You can take the money out of it. You now
Speaker 1: work twenty hours a week basically. Okay, so there's still like, no,
Speaker 1: there's no like tennis, not trying to make a career
Speaker 1: out of it or anything. Just you know, something you
Speaker 1: like to do that you can get really good at.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say some gambling, but that wouldn't be allowed,
Speaker 1: wouldn't That wouldn't be allowed, Plus that would be just
Speaker 1: a leisure activity. I mean, I would just ramp up
Speaker 1: with my favorite one now, which is reading, because I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't have to Is that is that
Speaker 1: allowed to be a competitive reader? It has to be
Speaker 1: a competition. It's just time to It's time that you're
Speaker 1: gonna use. There's not enough time in the world to
Speaker 1: read all the things you want. Okay, ready for Ruin
Speaker 1: in the segment. No, I mean it's an honest answer.
Speaker 1: That is my I was gonna say, like you can
Speaker 1: maybe like be and you know, this is supposed to
Speaker 1: be like a hustle. I thought, was I'm not doing
Speaker 1: it as a hustle A skill? Are you using reading? Is? Oh? No?
Speaker 1: I thought he's something that I thought he's had leisure
Speaker 1: time activities. If he's just talking skill, then I think
Speaker 1: I'll If Dan is just talking about all right, you
Speaker 1: gotta work on a skill something that I get back
Speaker 1: into playing tennis. I was gonna say you would be
Speaker 1: like a hunky tennis instructor for like, No, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be a country structor, but I yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want to start playing a little more collectively back Martha, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because some like those tight tennis shorts where the white
Speaker 1: tam post she wants to start playing. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a play some tennis with Tim Posty Gonza. We
Speaker 1: might have to start like it, but yeah, I need
Speaker 1: some practice that second serve as really struggling these days.
Speaker 1: Tempose reached out to me over the weekend about being
Speaker 1: on the softball team. I said, listen, as as of now,
Speaker 1: I filed the retirement papers. I am not necessarily the
Speaker 1: coach here the roster in general. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a softball team this year, but if
Speaker 1: there is, you're absolutely welcome. You've got a major breadth
Speaker 1: far vibe this offseason. Five eventually retired. All right, that's
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Speaker 1: talk a little free agency primer. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: later this week, good stuff. We're gonna have a whole
Speaker 1: video show, um, all about free agency, breaking it down
Speaker 1: in different tiers, and we're gonna really dig in deep
Speaker 1: on the class. But for today, this is kind of
Speaker 1: just like dip our toe in the water. What's going
Speaker 1: on with the free agency scene? I am lucky to
Speaker 1: have the two scientists on my left and right. Every year,
Speaker 1: as you know, as the entire country is aware, Um,
Speaker 1: they put together their top See, they never quite between
Speaker 1: me and the audience. They've never quite properly branded this
Speaker 1: because it's all right, is it one oh one? Because
Speaker 1: sometimes it's sometimes it's there once. Yeah, there was some
Speaker 1: sort of programming issue where it's sticking with So it's
Speaker 1: one oh one. I thought I tried to stick with
Speaker 1: one on one last year and they made you do
Speaker 1: a hundred. One of one is a great number. So
Speaker 1: if we were only on a brand this properly, it's
Speaker 1: time to settle on a number. Let's hope it's one
Speaker 1: oh one. You guys put together your heads and come
Speaker 1: up with the list. We're not quite there yet. You
Speaker 1: guys still love your scientists work to do on that front,
Speaker 1: But for now, let's have a conversation. First of all,
Speaker 1: will start here west. Where does this free agency class
Speaker 1: rank with last year's class? It feels like it's lesser,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that is is hard to say
Speaker 1: before we know the franchise tag, guys, but I think
Speaker 1: you can assume that Levy On Bell we'll be off
Speaker 1: the market. Drew Brees will resign with the Saints, So
Speaker 1: there's two of your top three free agents along with
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins right off the bat. DeMarcus Lawrence will get
Speaker 1: I believe we'll get the franchise tall, so you're left
Speaker 1: with like average to blow average starters is what you're
Speaker 1: looking at for free? How did oh well that? I
Speaker 1: think there's some above average start right? Who are some
Speaker 1: above average starters that everyone should be aware of? Sheldon Richardson,
Speaker 1: Allan Robinson, ziggy On ziggy On to Jarvis Landry, Sammy
Speaker 1: Watkins to market. I mean, I think there's there's a
Speaker 1: solid ten to fifty five above average start. Richardson was
Speaker 1: a disappointment. He was but was basically given away by
Speaker 1: the Jet I think he's an above average started Malcolm
Speaker 1: Butler is an interesting guy. But you famously don't care
Speaker 1: about character risks at all. You famously you've said you
Speaker 1: you can't predict them. You have no idea that we actually,
Speaker 1: in fairness, my my team undefeated. I was gonna say no,
Speaker 1: my free agent picks never long, didn't we That might
Speaker 1: not be true, but we have toyed with I thought
Speaker 1: before in the show doing like Greg's all bad guy team,
Speaker 1: like good talents, bad people, um Nate Solder, Justin Pugh.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's guys out there that I would say
Speaker 1: our average too above average star a little Dion Lewis,
Speaker 1: the guy that we've been pumping up as a deeper
Speaker 1: star in the last I think there's a decent crop.
Speaker 1: Because of Cousins. It's as good a class, I would
Speaker 1: say as last year overall, because just Cousins alone makes
Speaker 1: it unique. We haven't seen a guy uh an average
Speaker 1: starting near above average starting quarterback get a free agency
Speaker 1: since Peyton Many. I think even that, yeah, even that
Speaker 1: was I think what makes him. It's fascinating to have
Speaker 1: an actual guy on the right side of the Dalton
Speaker 1: scale hit free agency like Cousins and then to see
Speaker 1: what happens once Cousins does sign hopefully with my Jets,
Speaker 1: but who knows? He could go in any number of places.
Speaker 1: How that affects the market where if you're um a
Speaker 1: team that wanted Cousins bad and you miss out, how
Speaker 1: much are you gonna be willing to pay case Keenum
Speaker 1: or like, what is his market? I think Cousins really
Speaker 1: makes things kind of electrified on that front. Can we
Speaker 1: address Dean Lewis real quick? You you brought him up?
Speaker 1: Teams do this all the time. They overpay for guys
Speaker 1: who are role players with the Patriots, and you can't
Speaker 1: expect your team to use a guy to the maximum
Speaker 1: like the Patriots did. This is an undersized running back
Speaker 1: who has a major lee checkered injury history and and
Speaker 1: no basically no example of him being durable. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can count on Dan Lewis getting five million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. I'm surprised to hear that because you
Speaker 1: guys have been so high on him, right because he
Speaker 1: plays a niche role for the Patriots. So he wasn't
Speaker 1: a nice role this year, but it was one year.
Speaker 1: Of course, it wasn't nict L. He didn't even start
Speaker 1: until November. I mean he didn't. He ended up like
Speaker 1: a five game streak and then the biggest games of
Speaker 1: the year at the end of the year, they played
Speaker 1: James White over him. I think Louis, similar to when
Speaker 1: Danny Woodhead became a free agent, could be a really
Speaker 1: good pick up for some team at the right price,
Speaker 1: because running backs just don't cost that much in general.
Speaker 1: If a team with a coaching staff is like let's
Speaker 1: say the Vikings, who's who are losing Jerick McKinnon, or
Speaker 1: the Saints if they had a need, but they don't
Speaker 1: need a need. If you pair Dion Lewis in the
Speaker 1: right system with the right coaching staff and it only
Speaker 1: costs you five million dollars a year, I think that's
Speaker 1: money really well spend. Not just draft somebody in the
Speaker 1: third round, because you have this guy that you know
Speaker 1: is good and you can use the also know he's
Speaker 1: gonna get injured by week four. I mean, Dion Lewis
Speaker 1: is injured almost every year of his career. Didn't expect
Speaker 1: such scientists heat today, but I've been a huge fan
Speaker 1: of his. But he's basically the guy you don't overpay. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it all depends on the ball player who gets injured.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to overpay. To me, five million
Speaker 1: dollars is way too much for for for a running
Speaker 1: back and you just get Alvin Kamarow in the third round.
Speaker 1: I don't think so because he to me, that's a
Speaker 1: great price if you're getting six hundred great snaps out
Speaker 1: of Dion Lewis, and I think if you've got the
Speaker 1: right plan in the right system around him, that's absolutely
Speaker 1: worth it. It's a deal in late September. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy's injury history. You're just glossing over it like
Speaker 1: it didn't not. No, that's fair, and there are a
Speaker 1: lot of running I don't think it'll cost much because
Speaker 1: there are a lot of running backs out there. Carlos
Speaker 1: Hyde is going to be a free agent, Levy on
Speaker 1: Bell probably will get tagged. Jerick McKinnon very similar to
Speaker 1: Dion Lewis, I would say, And I think a really
Speaker 1: interesting free agent Rex Burkhead is a free agent. Darren
Speaker 1: Sprowles if he still wants to play. My guy, Frank Gore. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's always a position where it's not, you know, necessarily
Speaker 1: too tough to to find someone. There's some interested in
Speaker 1: the wide receiver group. There's some guys that are gonna
Speaker 1: be really interesting to see how much money they make.
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson coming off in a c L. Sammy Watkins,
Speaker 1: years of people trying to talk themselves into him as
Speaker 1: a star. Will another team do it again? Uh? He's
Speaker 1: still only what seven or twenty years old. He's been
Speaker 1: in the league for like fifteen years ago when he
Speaker 1: got in and uh yeah, I think he must be
Speaker 1: turning twenty five during next season or something. There has
Speaker 1: been plenty of speculation that the Rams could franchise him.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Uh yeah. Jordan Matthews, I mean, who got
Speaker 1: traded obviously from the Eagles of the Bills and had
Speaker 1: a complete lost season injuries. Now he's a free agent.
Speaker 1: Tarrell Prior, a guy that everyone, a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought was a great by by the Redskins last year.
Speaker 1: He washed out, So what does he get this year?
Speaker 1: It's that's an interesting group in Danny Amendola Danny Playoff
Speaker 1: Amen Dola is scheduled to hit the free agency market.
Speaker 1: John Brown, Paul Richardson, guys who have flashed in the
Speaker 1: past are pretty intriguing. I think looking at the overarching market,
Speaker 1: there are more core, a few more quarterbacks than usual.
Speaker 1: You throw Teddy, Sam Bradford, you know, cousins and and
Speaker 1: with Breeze. I just I'm gonna rode out there that
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a ten percent chance there's some
Speaker 1: drama there, just like I by the way I threw out,
Speaker 1: just like that there was a small chance. Maybe this
Speaker 1: McDaniels thing isn't as sure as everyone has been saying
Speaker 1: it is until it's official. I just think there might
Speaker 1: be just some drama with Breeze. I don't think he'll
Speaker 1: go anywhere, but if you're looking at the fine drama,
Speaker 1: some reports that he's not happy with the Saints and
Speaker 1: there that there's actually a chance, even if it's it's
Speaker 1: a passing storm, that that he'll leave or that he
Speaker 1: he's not pleased. This is a guy who people forget
Speaker 1: held out during their last uh contract negotiations, skipped O
Speaker 1: t a. S skipped the off season last time he
Speaker 1: was looking for a new contract, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a really difficult contract to come up with. Brent Grimes
Speaker 1: is hitting the open market. Greg a little nervous about
Speaker 1: how his wife could relocate maybe the southern California or
Speaker 1: something like that, and then you're in great danger. He's
Speaker 1: kind of ageless. I mean, he's had some injuries, but
Speaker 1: he looked pretty great. Loved guys. You bring me to
Speaker 1: the point I was gonna make before. By the way,
Speaker 1: some positions are very very thin. Both lines, I would say,
Speaker 1: are thin, especially offensive line. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of cornerbacks and receivers. So like the passing game, I
Speaker 1: think if you're looking for a cornerback or you're looking
Speaker 1: for a wide receiver, some names out there interesting. A
Speaker 1: couple of interesting tight end names. Jimmy Graham. I believe
Speaker 1: he's in pretty big time decline at this point. And
Speaker 1: I know he's a good goal line receiver still, but
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how much money he could get on the
Speaker 1: open market. I think he's connected to a team in
Speaker 1: a report this week. Not much, is my guest, but yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Tyler Eiffort, like a Dion Lewis, a guy
Speaker 1: that cannot stay healthy. But a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: he was one of the best tight ends in football,
Speaker 1: with a team maybe saying maybe we get that guy
Speaker 1: and he stays healthy too much. I like this free
Speaker 1: agency class. It's a little saucier than than I expected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cornerback class could be really strong. The guy I
Speaker 1: really like his Kyle Fuller, who had a great year
Speaker 1: with the Bears, led the NFL and pass his defense
Speaker 1: last year. They Malcolm Butler is going to be really
Speaker 1: interesting seen cornerback. I think free agent to what kind
Speaker 1: of value he has after everything that happened, the Patriots
Speaker 1: do anything else to poison his value from now until
Speaker 1: the start of free agency. David, Oh please, it is crazy. Uh,
Speaker 1: it is crazy that his his I can remember I
Speaker 1: was so sad to miss the week after the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl podcast where Malcolm Butler was in the studio with
Speaker 1: you guys, and think about the journey he's taken since
Speaker 1: that moment as one of the great in my mind
Speaker 1: stories in NFL history. It's certainly great super Bowl stories
Speaker 1: in NFL history. So to this super Bowl, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't write this then? How did they pay him?
Speaker 1: So the drama, it's the stuff of life. Can we
Speaker 1: just take a big macro view there that he made
Speaker 1: the arguably the biggest play in Patriots history and now
Speaker 1: they are kicking him out the door and making them
Speaker 1: look like some type of malcontent that ain't right. I
Speaker 1: don't know. He was only around the NFL podcast. He's
Speaker 1: a nice guy. I don't know what happened. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened there. I do think it had a
Speaker 1: little overplayed and I don't want to dive two into this,
Speaker 1: but that like, Okay, put Malcolm Butler in there and suddenly, uh,
Speaker 1: they'd be fine. He had as it was a big factor,
Speaker 1: but there's no way to pick on I guess my
Speaker 1: my thought would be more that that his absence has
Speaker 1: helped to overshadow the complete collapse of the rest of
Speaker 1: the defense, which I don't think his absence excuses that.
Speaker 1: It's like Donta High Tower, who is a much in
Speaker 1: my mind more integral player to the team, leaves the team.
Speaker 1: Uh during the season. It's like you don't even notice
Speaker 1: the difference for the rest of the season. Butler, who
Speaker 1: did not have a great year, had okay year certainly
Speaker 1: is worst years. Yeah, certainly is worst year as a starter,
Speaker 1: but still a very solid starter. I'm just saying it
Speaker 1: kind of overshadowed, like, hey, your defense got absolutely destroyed. Uh,
Speaker 1: because this storyline got all the attentions like nice way
Speaker 1: of saying that they got thoroughly out coached in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Sure, um, I heard you having this conversation downstairs.
Speaker 1: I stayed out of it. But I think if one
Speaker 1: guy in that secondary makes a play, they could have
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. Sure it might have made it
Speaker 1: made already proven he's a guy that can make I'll
Speaker 1: play when the stakes are hotest, and you took him
Speaker 1: out of lot. Absolutely. I just mean it's kind of
Speaker 1: one thing to focus on when there was there were
Speaker 1: a lot of things that they did wrong and that
Speaker 1: that went wrong. Maybe if they came up with a
Speaker 1: answer yeah, no, I get it, or answered the question
Speaker 1: of why Malcolm Butler didn't play that that people could stomach.
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't heard an answer yet that I
Speaker 1: can stomach. It's also why not just tell the truth.
Speaker 1: It's also funny to me, like, I know this is
Speaker 1: not how things work, but you know, crazier things have
Speaker 1: happened in football. Look at Josh McDaniel situation. Yeah, the Lions.
Speaker 1: They're sitting there watching the game and they're like, wait,
Speaker 1: so we're bringing in that Patricia. He was a defensive
Speaker 1: wizard and he's just he's giving up like five yards
Speaker 1: of total offense in the Super Bowl. I'm down on
Speaker 1: that one. First of all, why would you take one
Speaker 1: game over like nineteen games just because it's the most
Speaker 1: recent and the most important. We have more data than that.
Speaker 1: Second of all, who has less talent on their front seven?
Speaker 1: In the NFL and the New England Patriots in February
Speaker 1: of two thousand and eighteen, how many names can you
Speaker 1: even name on their front seven? There are defensive metrics
Speaker 1: that want me to go through a fan is good
Speaker 1: other than the flowers really good? You get a dealing
Speaker 1: with a bunch of special teamers because you benched, because
Speaker 1: you benched your best quarter cornerback, You've got problems in
Speaker 1: their whole defense was filled with problems in the game,
Speaker 1: and advanced metrics said that the Patriots never had a
Speaker 1: good defense this season. I'm just saying, like, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that the line should have had second thoughts. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if you are in the front office and
Speaker 1: you think it's like, okay, he's he'll be fine, He'll
Speaker 1: be fine. And this is the second straight year the
Speaker 1: Patriots have a lot of key free agents, I would
Speaker 1: say in abnormal amount, and I think it hurt them
Speaker 1: last year. I don't think they were as talented team
Speaker 1: in the end, and now they have Solder who's going
Speaker 1: to be I think is the top tackle in free
Speaker 1: agency by a decent amount, which it really doesn't speak
Speaker 1: well for the big tackle class. I mean, he could
Speaker 1: be an eighteen million dollar a year type player because
Speaker 1: in the top five Adrian Waddle and Cameron Fleming are
Speaker 1: also their three Patriots probably are the in the top
Speaker 1: five tackle right so they're also three of their tackles
Speaker 1: are available. You're loving this. Dan Butler's out there, Burkehead
Speaker 1: and Lewis are out there, so you're kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: bunching up different positions and got a lot of players
Speaker 1: ailable to get to deal with the time of transition.
Speaker 1: I think we were at the funeral on Sunday, That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Funeral please. Hey. Geno Smith also is
Speaker 1: on the market. Greg You've been found to the table
Speaker 1: for many years because he had that great four game
Speaker 1: stretch about six years ago. It hasn't really played since
Speaker 1: then except for a pretty good performance against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: He's still in pretty good and have him on the
Speaker 1: cheap Watch million. A couple of throws in that fourth guard.
Speaker 1: I'd rather watch him like celebrating on the sideline as
Speaker 1: the other quarterback doesn't play well. Yeah, he's he's pretty
Speaker 1: low on that free agent quarterback list. But you know, Keenum, Bridgewater, Bradford,
Speaker 1: you got McCown. Is Cutler for sure retiring. We haven't
Speaker 1: found out about that. I don't know if it really
Speaker 1: to tell him whether he's retiring or probably. So there
Speaker 1: you go. There's a nice teaser. Nice tease, guys. You
Speaker 1: guys are real teases. We even made an appearance in
Speaker 1: the lab. Uh yeah, a couple of trips down to
Speaker 1: the lab. I hung out in the kitchen. Even though
Speaker 1: I am against wishes. I was given a key, I
Speaker 1: can go down to the lab. But I just want
Speaker 1: to make it clear that I have yet to go
Speaker 1: down to the lab. I just have acts. Dan's gonna
Speaker 1: go home tonight, study the Trent Murphy tape from the
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen season, come back with a really hot
Speaker 1: take about his ranking among the edge defenders that are ailbing.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's any Trent Murphy tape. And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm not going to go down. I hang out
Speaker 1: in the bad Guy to bring off. H Bryant got
Speaker 1: you a key. Thank you, des, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: He might end up on the free agent market. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be something we'll we'll talk about later here
Speaker 1: for our special. We don't have to workshop it here.
Speaker 1: But that's a fun category too, all right, but that's
Speaker 1: coming up later this week. Next time you hear from
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