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Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan
Speaker 1: Hanss and I am joined by a room filled with heroes.
Speaker 1: These mikes are terrible. How how many billions? How many billions?
Speaker 1: It's up to fourteen, I believe, not excess. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: know it in Studio seven, as they call it. Dan
Speaker 1: Hands is here, joined by a room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Wesling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys,
Speaker 1: Hey Dan, I'm in a bad mood now. Now I'm
Speaker 1: in a foul mood. I think it's like Studio seven dollars,
Speaker 1: which is about how much money they pumped into this round.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's open the kimono. It's a closet, well,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is a day where, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess people should not have any any any sort
Speaker 1: of sorryness for us to be doing what is a
Speaker 1: fun show to do as part of our job, but
Speaker 1: it is a Roger Goodell mandated holiday for the efforts
Speaker 1: put into the season in the super Bowl a week which,
Speaker 1: by the way, we were part of those efforts. But
Speaker 1: we're here, and who's not here? I just waltzed in
Speaker 1: a little bit before the show and the shadowy League
Speaker 1: figures up on the third floor. Are they getting ahead?
Speaker 1: Are they looking into the off season? How can we
Speaker 1: make this a better product? How can we work harder
Speaker 1: for people? It is a ghost town up there, outside
Speaker 1: of one poor admin manning the front door. It looks
Speaker 1: like an al Qaeda strike up there. You almost got
Speaker 1: knocked over by tumbaweeds rolling through. Unbelievable. Yeah, so Rod
Speaker 1: gave the company the day off. But if you're on
Speaker 1: the first floor, rise and grind baby, and that's where
Speaker 1: I were here, Greg, Greg's like, I like my job. No,
Speaker 1: I like to ride on the website. I feel like
Speaker 1: I have a nice niche they put me on. I
Speaker 1: would rather. I would rather drive into the ocean than
Speaker 1: have the jobs that any of these people on the
Speaker 1: third floor, or most of New York had. Seriously, I
Speaker 1: told I would I would move. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would do. When I was growing up, I used
Speaker 1: to tell my mom. I used to tell my Mr
Speaker 1: Gratitude over here exactly. I didn't want to wear it
Speaker 1: where a tie for a living. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be sitting in a cubicle. Uh And I seem to
Speaker 1: have avoided that so far in my career. So I'm
Speaker 1: not going to complain anymore. But this this, these'll do
Speaker 1: the complaining for all of us. I love the job too,
Speaker 1: but I just find it. I also say, how about
Speaker 1: third floor. You love your job, how about you show
Speaker 1: a little passion, get in here and do some work.
Speaker 1: You grew up wanting to be beholden to knowing and
Speaker 1: that's where we are. We're not even sponsored anymore. Pot
Speaker 1: that's good, all right, Welcome to the show. Really in
Speaker 1: a good place. Pre show grade D plus A lot,
Speaker 1: a lot to get to today. Oh I am excited
Speaker 1: about this, and we've been teasing it, uh for weeks.
Speaker 1: The top five calls of two thousand seventeen. We whittled
Speaker 1: it down from dozens, literally dozens, to a final five
Speaker 1: that are the top five calls of the year. So
Speaker 1: probably going to be involved. You would be surprised if
Speaker 1: he wasn't. But I cannot con anything until we get
Speaker 1: to the seg Also, franchise tag time coming up. Things
Speaker 1: keep rolling, and uh, Gregg, you wrote a banger. This
Speaker 1: is Rosenthal's time of year. You know what. I feel
Speaker 1: like you might as well call Greg the clicks Hunter Cike,
Speaker 1: because this is when Greg rolls out all his annual
Speaker 1: columns one after the other, and it's like click click click,
Speaker 1: click click click, and Greg's flying because he knows that
Speaker 1: bonus money is gonna go full. I wish bonus money
Speaker 1: was attached to is that Greg risen Fall? What was
Speaker 1: that great that's a great drop. Um. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: go through prominent names. You know, we have free agency
Speaker 1: coming up. Uh. These guys are technically slated to become
Speaker 1: free agents, but some guys are not going to go
Speaker 1: near the market. So we'll go over who's definitely gonna
Speaker 1: get tagged, who may get tagged, who shouldn't get tagged? Right,
Speaker 1: a little fun, a little Drew Brees bonus category. Other
Speaker 1: people are not allowed to be tagged. Yea. Uh So
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. But before any of that, uh,
Speaker 1: let's do some news. Oh yeah, taken away lens. Speaking
Speaker 1: of free agency, we have another quarterback entering the fray.
Speaker 1: He is a man incongruent his tattoo situation to his
Speaker 1: facial situation. A J. Mccaren he. Uh. He won a
Speaker 1: grievance against the Cincinnati Bengals, who had tried to uh
Speaker 1: keep an extra year of control over mccaren uh connected
Speaker 1: to his rookie season and being on an NFI list. Listen,
Speaker 1: you could dive in if you want and know the
Speaker 1: details behind it. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: mccaren lawyered up or agent it up, and went against
Speaker 1: the Bengals in one so instead of being a potential
Speaker 1: restricted free agent, which would have meant the that Cincinnati
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to keep him even if you didn't
Speaker 1: want to stay in Cincinnati. Now he'll be a unrestricted
Speaker 1: free agent. It's party time for mccaren And Uh, we'll
Speaker 1: start with you on this one, Mark, because I know
Speaker 1: everyone in the football world immediately connected mccaren to the
Speaker 1: Browns because the Browns had that failed trade where they
Speaker 1: kind of sabotaged themselves a few months back to get mccaren. Uh,
Speaker 1: when you heard about him becoming a u f A,
Speaker 1: getting nervous at all? What did What did you feel
Speaker 1: about it? Because it does potentially complicate the Brown's quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't complicate it too much. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're in better position to get the quarterback they want
Speaker 1: than they have been since they drafted Tim Couch number
Speaker 1: one overall. I mean, you've got the first and fourth pick.
Speaker 1: You can choose the college quarterback of your choice with
Speaker 1: no issues this time when they had the number two
Speaker 1: pick and traded out. And if you're you also can
Speaker 1: make a serious run at Kirk Cousins along with other teams.
Speaker 1: I don't think the most attractive teams in the mind
Speaker 1: of Kirk Cousins Cleveland. But a G mccaren to me,
Speaker 1: would not be the target. I think it was when
Speaker 1: it was a Hugh Jackson driven transaction that you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I care what anyone says. Maybe Sashy
Speaker 1: Brown egg on his face saved them from making that trade,
Speaker 1: which would have been ridiculous. It was what a second
Speaker 1: and a third for a G McCarron. I really think
Speaker 1: it was Hugh Jackson just that's a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: he intentionally screwed it up to botch the I think
Speaker 1: they botched it, but I don't think that Sashy Brown
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, I really want this quarterback. This is
Speaker 1: what the plan was all along, to ship these two
Speaker 1: picks for a guy that really, I think is someone
Speaker 1: that if they ever got him at a low price,
Speaker 1: he's a bridge guy. That would guy they must draft
Speaker 1: number one or number four right low price. Not Mike
Speaker 1: glennon what he got paid last year. This is a quarterback.
Speaker 1: When last we saw him, Hugh Jackson had his highest
Speaker 1: QUE rating ever. Everybody was calling him an awesome offensive genius.
Speaker 1: He had Andy Dalton the MVP discussion. They had a
Speaker 1: great offensive line, great running game, great wide receiver corps,
Speaker 1: and in McCarron's last two starts season finale against the Ravens,
Speaker 1: failed to convert a single third down in the entire game,
Speaker 1: and then when three quarters in the playoff game, gets
Speaker 1: the Steelers without scoring a single point. Again, small sample size,
Speaker 1: but that would bother me if I was counting on
Speaker 1: him as a starter. As a tiny sample size, I mean,
Speaker 1: he started four games, So this is not a guy
Speaker 1: to get excited about. And you're right, I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to pay him huge money. He to me, if you're
Speaker 1: a Browns fan, he would be fine as the as
Speaker 1: the veteran. You need to have a veteran. You're not
Speaker 1: just gonna have Deshaun Kaiser and a rookie. So I
Speaker 1: don't know how the free agency markets gonna play out
Speaker 1: for them, But if it turns out that mccaren has
Speaker 1: kind of that in between, he gets nick Foles money,
Speaker 1: good backup or even a little, I think you'll get
Speaker 1: more than Nick Foles got last year between a backup
Speaker 1: and a starter type of money, but it's not a
Speaker 1: long term commitment, and he's kind of the veteran you
Speaker 1: have with the record, I'm fine with that. Then the
Speaker 1: Browns have so much money that they could give mccaren
Speaker 1: like a Mike Lennon type deal. Mike Lennon got paid
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars for nothing yes last year, and then
Speaker 1: still draft a quarterback. I already did that with Osweiler, right,
Speaker 1: But they can They can do that and still be okay.
Speaker 1: And oh, we have a Bridge guy and mccaren that
Speaker 1: we love, and we have Sam Donald for instance, a
Speaker 1: guy that's maybe a little raw but obviously has a
Speaker 1: ton of promise. However, and tell me if if you
Speaker 1: disagree Mark as a Browns fan, don't even put me
Speaker 1: near any of that, because I don't want anybody in
Speaker 1: the building to be like, we actually really like a J.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll go in a different direction the draft. Don't
Speaker 1: overcomplicate it. Yeah, if you're gonna you're gonna make any
Speaker 1: run in free agency, yet, better be for Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: because then I love that move because you would be
Speaker 1: able to be draft the first and fourth pick on
Speaker 1: other players around him that I can buy into. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear anything about a J. McCarron made
Speaker 1: the earth Shake for Hugh Jackson, and we're gonna hand
Speaker 1: on the stard. Don't complicate it. If he knows he's
Speaker 1: a bridge quarterback in the affordable price he works for
Speaker 1: a couple of teams, it shouldn't be anything more than that, right,
Speaker 1: he might get paid quite a bit of money. I
Speaker 1: what other team do you think would see him as
Speaker 1: a starter? Though, It's hard to guess how teams see
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. But I know there are people other Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1: I mean they're different. People filed the league that thinks
Speaker 1: he has potential. There were there were people who Bucky
Speaker 1: and DJ interviewed last year, executives who rated him higher
Speaker 1: than Garp. He's sneaky old though. I mean he's older
Speaker 1: than Cam Newton. So you're not getting not that he's
Speaker 1: old at all. I mean he's should be. He's entering
Speaker 1: his prime. I think he's he entered the league late.
Speaker 1: Uh maybe he's twenty eight. I he's not a guy though,
Speaker 1: stand by people, Yeah, we don't need bad he Yeah
Speaker 1: he's turning this year. Um, he he's not a guy.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think a lot of people that
Speaker 1: haven't seen him up closer going to pay like fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, but you never know. Um before
Speaker 1: we move on. Right around the time this news broke
Speaker 1: a tweet from Mark Sessler. Would you mind if I
Speaker 1: read it, Mark, and then you could connect the dots
Speaker 1: for us. Perhaps it seemed like there's some sub tweeting
Speaker 1: going on. What will happen to sportswriters, so called sportswriters,
Speaker 1: snark vendors, anxiously Caucasian whit crackers, and hobby horse semi
Speaker 1: words Smith's when the Browns achieve even vague competency, it is.
Speaker 1: It is not a subtweet because when everything, every time
Speaker 1: anything happens related to the Browns, my mentions are snark
Speaker 1: and crap coming at me from all corners of the globe.
Speaker 1: And I am not. I do not own the Browns,
Speaker 1: nor do I coach them, nor am I operating in
Speaker 1: the front office. I am someone that is for some
Speaker 1: reason as a twelve year old picked him as my
Speaker 1: team and refused to jump ship. I don't need to
Speaker 1: hear about it every time any team does anything linked
Speaker 1: to Cleveland counterpoint. You have sportswriters and so called sportswriters,
Speaker 1: because I think Twitter you know it is I hit
Speaker 1: a point or the last where I'm kind of done
Speaker 1: with Twitter and it is a cesspool half the time
Speaker 1: of sportswriters, and I know wessegreacently just attempting to get
Speaker 1: their little humor out there and generate giggles, and I
Speaker 1: get a little tired of it. It's Sessler season. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a great tweet, and then on the other hand,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, win a game Browns and then you
Speaker 1: get any fun as much. I mean, they have to change.
Speaker 1: They have to change. I said this at this time
Speaker 1: last year. There's were as far as the podcast evolving.
Speaker 1: We don't need Mark being pissed about the Browns all
Speaker 1: the time anymore. It would actually change the podcast in
Speaker 1: a fundamentally good way if the Browns were a different
Speaker 1: type of team. Come on, Browns, get it done. Moving on,
Speaker 1: uh Sebastian Janikowski is done. In Oakland the two thousand
Speaker 1: the year two thousand. In the year two thousand and
Speaker 1: Sea Bass was drafted with the eighth overall pick by
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders and Al Davis. Al Davis died like
Speaker 1: eleven years into Sea Bass's career. It kept chuggling along,
Speaker 1: but now it is over. Uh Janikowski. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: announced the team will will not move forward with him.
Speaker 1: They were happy, obviously with the rookie, the kid, what's
Speaker 1: the kid's named, Georgio to Vecchio, who had a pretty
Speaker 1: good season last year, not not great sixteen one, but
Speaker 1: he had some moments, especially early on. So they're gonna
Speaker 1: move on from Janikowski. Uh. One of the great uh
Speaker 1: runs in terms of endurance, in terms of like franchise,
Speaker 1: was it Greg that's a question. Was it a good pick?
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean that was a great I would
Speaker 1: say it's a great pick, and that that was that
Speaker 1: came at a time when every draft, probably the highlight
Speaker 1: was the moment right after the Raiders made their pick,
Speaker 1: and everyone was just like what who like? It was
Speaker 1: always the Raider like what Darius Sayward Bay or sometimes
Speaker 1: would be you know, it always be off the map
Speaker 1: and Sea Bass that's as Bass was certainly one of
Speaker 1: those and now that's one of the best. A lot
Speaker 1: of those first round now Davis picks, especially in the
Speaker 1: two thousand's after Sea Bass did not work out, but
Speaker 1: he's one of the best kickers of his generation. Al
Speaker 1: David I just paid kicker. I think in NFL history, right,
Speaker 1: Al Davis um overruled from what I read John Gruden
Speaker 1: in that draft. John Gruden wanted Sylvester Morris, who played
Speaker 1: one season, and he wanted but he also wanted Sean Alexander,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks running back who was who is I think
Speaker 1: forgotten by history, a wonderful player. But now you got
Speaker 1: Gruden back in the building. Maybe he said forget you,
Speaker 1: Al Davis, I'm getting this guy out of here. But
Speaker 1: in the fifth round he made it from one Guden
Speaker 1: And in the fifth round of that draft, the only
Speaker 1: other player be up besides Sea Bass and Tom Brady
Speaker 1: that's still active from that two thousand draft was Al
Speaker 1: Davis's fifth round pick, punter Shawn Leckler. So Al Davis
Speaker 1: in one draft picked two two of the only players
Speaker 1: still around since two of the great kick 's, probably
Speaker 1: the two best kickers maybe this century are free agents
Speaker 1: this offseason. Sea Bass and Adam Vinitarry, did you got really?
Speaker 1: I didn't know Adam was interesting. Did you guys know
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady was the one ninety ninth pick of
Speaker 1: the two thousand draft. Good luck Sea Bass. I bet
Speaker 1: he gets a job. I would like to beseech producers
Speaker 1: of television shows. Just because something has a little sliver
Speaker 1: of the zeitgeist doesn't mean you need to make it
Speaker 1: a topic. Like is Sebastian Janikowski a Hall of famer?
Speaker 1: Does not need to be a topic. He's not a
Speaker 1: Hall of famer? Was he like, give me David Aker's
Speaker 1: career over, saying, Sebastian Janikowski, let's cal him down on.
Speaker 1: It's also like the Times out there on February five
Speaker 1: cycle the zeit geist. But I'm with you that come on,
Speaker 1: everybody comes down and to the raiders credit or maybe
Speaker 1: or maybe say I had no choice. People forget this
Speaker 1: now you people forget this. But JANIKOWSI was kind of
Speaker 1: a nightmare early in his career, but they saw it
Speaker 1: through and eighteen years later it comes to an end.
Speaker 1: Moving on, speaking at John Bruden, he uh he liked
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch and Michael Crabtree Uh to return it. At
Speaker 1: least he could see it happening. Chris Westling Uh. Marshawn
Speaker 1: Lynch Uh finished strongly last year. Crabtree, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe not as much. Do you think both of these
Speaker 1: guys are back? I could see Lynch returning, He's always
Speaker 1: a wild card. As you said, one of the things
Speaker 1: I discovered in writing this article was average five point
Speaker 1: two yards per carried down to stretch and only finished
Speaker 1: ten yards off the league lead over over the final
Speaker 1: five weeks of the season and rushing so he he
Speaker 1: appears to have plenty left in the tank. Crabtree, there
Speaker 1: was a report from the Las Vegas Review in December
Speaker 1: that the team is ready to move on from him.
Speaker 1: And one thing we know about John Gruden is just
Speaker 1: because he says something about personnel doesn't make it true.
Speaker 1: When we were at Rhodo World back in the day,
Speaker 1: we used to call him Johnny Sunshine because everything was
Speaker 1: rainbows and unicorns. And then he cut a guy you
Speaker 1: know a week later and Lynch. He was even more
Speaker 1: than Crabtree. He was noncommittal about when they said will
Speaker 1: he be on the team? I I kind of think
Speaker 1: crabt you would have a better chance. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I just think that he would he would look at that,
Speaker 1: look at the passing game and think I can I
Speaker 1: can make this guy a little bit better. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then they said will he be on the I don't know, Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's more like he's Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what he's gonna this Q and A. By
Speaker 1: the way, my favorite nugget was at the very end
Speaker 1: when they talk a he esteemed Gruden is super steamed
Speaker 1: about the c b A rules for acammy with players,
Speaker 1: as if he didn't know this was had been in
Speaker 1: place for years. But he acknowledged at the end that
Speaker 1: he drives to work at two or three in the morning,
Speaker 1: and part of the reason is he can't deal with traffic,
Speaker 1: because he said he is an absolutely terrible driver, which
Speaker 1: made me. I've been a little chilly on Gruden in
Speaker 1: this whole the hyper on this. I like that he
Speaker 1: can't a terrible driver. Again, it's kind of cool that
Speaker 1: John Gruden is. I think he would never admit that.
Speaker 1: But I've I've known Mark Um very well for eight
Speaker 1: years almost, and I've been in the car where he
Speaker 1: was the driver once and it was like a drive
Speaker 1: from one part of Culver City to a local tavern.
Speaker 1: It was like four cities now it was to pick
Speaker 1: up your car. You're like, no one admits that they're
Speaker 1: a bad driver, so it's like everything, it's like, damnit,
Speaker 1: checks theory. No one everyone thinks they have a good
Speaker 1: sense of humor. No one ever says they're a bad driver.
Speaker 1: So I commend you what I thought. You've admitted it too,
Speaker 1: that I'm a bad I don't know. I thought you
Speaker 1: were a good driver. Greg took a curb and lost
Speaker 1: a hub cap. You know, I get a little over aggressive, maybe,
Speaker 1: but on driving the main streets of New York break
Speaker 1: and I just um you were driving in Manhattan. I
Speaker 1: kept my car for a couple of years. I spent
Speaker 1: I spent my most of my life dealing with parking
Speaker 1: because I didn't have my own parking spot, couldn't afford that.
Speaker 1: You would have to like move double park on the
Speaker 1: other side of the street, and you're watching it your window,
Speaker 1: and then you're going back and coming back. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the Upper West Side days. You would have
Speaker 1: to do that twice a week, and it was a
Speaker 1: whole like ballet where everyone would move, everyone would wait,
Speaker 1: then everyone would parallel park at the exact same time.
Speaker 1: It was kind of beautiful to watch from above, but
Speaker 1: a real terror to deal with. I would blow up
Speaker 1: my car and then in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and take the insurance because it sounds there's it's a
Speaker 1: great public transport transit scenario there. Why are you with
Speaker 1: with this job security of both Michael Crabtree and a
Speaker 1: keep to leave in doubt. I don't know if we're
Speaker 1: gonna get any more of those showdowns were chains are
Speaker 1: getting snatched. I love this chain snatching. It'll be over,
Speaker 1: That's what I get excited about. It might be over.
Speaker 1: It's a shame. So oh, let's get back to football. Dude,
Speaker 1: get over yourself hoppy horses. Laray Fitzgerald, he's going back
Speaker 1: to football. He's not ready to quit you at the
Speaker 1: eleven time pro Bowler told Cardinals coach Steve Wilkes not
Speaker 1: the same as Bruce arians. Good luck to you, Steve,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel right that he will return for
Speaker 1: his fifteenth See is in. He's thirty four years old,
Speaker 1: he just won a big golf tournament. But guess what
Speaker 1: he's coming back. Wilkes confirmed it on radio show in Arizona,
Speaker 1: The Doug and Wolf Show. Oh do you think they
Speaker 1: have one of those? It's Doug and the Wolf. Oh.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I mean this might be
Speaker 1: not know the second time old Wolf. I believe that's
Speaker 1: Bob Wolfley. Doug Wolfley, who's does our top calls every year, right,
Speaker 1: not wolf Ron Wolfley. Do you think that's the wolf
Speaker 1: in Therezona? How many wolves are that? Make sense? A
Speaker 1: lot of wolves. I'm just saying it's it's the Cardinals show.
Speaker 1: I think he might he might be back in this shows. Uh,
Speaker 1: he might be um anyway, So Fitzgerald's back West. I'll
Speaker 1: throw a theory out there. And I talked to my
Speaker 1: my buddy Jay zum Waltz, big Cardinals fan, We were
Speaker 1: texting about this. Larran Fritchald is not any player. He
Speaker 1: is one of the favorites of Arizona, the probably the
Speaker 1: most important player in Cardinals history. He agrees to come
Speaker 1: back for a fifteenth of the year. It makes me
Speaker 1: think that the Cardinals, even more than they typically would be,
Speaker 1: might be a big time player for whether it's Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins or another veteran quarterback, because they're not gonna leave
Speaker 1: Larry dying on the vine in year fifteen. This is
Speaker 1: not gonna be some rebuild with a second round pick quarterback.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts quarterbacks aside, try naming a more important face
Speaker 1: of the franchise than Larry Fitzgerald in NFL history, also
Speaker 1: one of the paid players in NFL history outside of quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I agree with that theory, and I don't even think
Speaker 1: it's a theory. Their head coach and their general manager
Speaker 1: have each come out and said we will be aggressive
Speaker 1: in going out and getting a quarterback this year. So
Speaker 1: to me, that says at all. Sometimes that's lip service, though,
Speaker 1: and they have other plans. I just I mean, nobody's
Speaker 1: attaching cousins to the Cardinals, and I get why there
Speaker 1: are other places that make more sense, but especially Greg
Speaker 1: into your theory that any team can afford him, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where your cap spaces, they've probably got it. They've
Speaker 1: probably got a few more issues than other teams where
Speaker 1: they have to make some decisions. They could, They could
Speaker 1: make room for him. He hasn't been attached to him
Speaker 1: at all, but I think that would be a fun fit.
Speaker 1: I also, you don't see players walk away from guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: Not that Larry Fitzgerald that necessarily needs to make his
Speaker 1: decisions off of money or not. But when push comes
Speaker 1: to shove you get into the offseason, he's still healthy,
Speaker 1: he's got all of his money guaranteed. He's one of
Speaker 1: the highest paid receivers in the league. Uh, it's great,
Speaker 1: and he's playing at a very high level. He he
Speaker 1: seems like someone who would retire if he's now the
Speaker 1: eight teenth best receiver in the league or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But he's still one of the top guys in terms
Speaker 1: of receptions every year, So why not keep playing? Time
Speaker 1: talked about him at to your point, West is recruiting
Speaker 1: potential quarterbacks, and they don't have a single quarterback on
Speaker 1: our contract. They don't need to get one, they need
Speaker 1: to get two or three. Draft one, get a veteran. Finally,
Speaker 1: so welcome back, Larry. The football is better with by
Speaker 1: the way, it is Ron Wolfley. I've looked it up.
Speaker 1: He is. Greg was dead on about that good wolf.
Speaker 1: Your wolf radar is impeccable. Is he is? He part
Speaker 1: of our top five? Ron Wolfley who once said if
Speaker 1: it's you know, listening, like second in one and you
Speaker 1: need a yard, I'll get you a yard. That second
Speaker 1: and two and you need two yards, I'll get you
Speaker 1: a yard. Suah Cravens, the Redskins safety picked in the
Speaker 1: second round of two thousand sixteen draft. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: not on the radar in the NFL last season because
Speaker 1: he left the team citing UH some injuries, including ongoing
Speaker 1: concussion issues, and had been reportedly contemplating retirement. Well, he
Speaker 1: wants to come back, and the NFL reinstated Craven's off
Speaker 1: the reserve left squad list UH for Washington. However, Greg,
Speaker 1: that does not mean that he will be back back
Speaker 1: with the Redskins. Quite the contrary. Actually, there's some thoughts
Speaker 1: around the team that they found a replacement in Monte
Speaker 1: Nicholson first of all, and that the damage that Cravens
Speaker 1: did last year by leaving the team, at least within
Speaker 1: the locker room, that they just and he openly said
Speaker 1: he just wasn't sure if his heart was in playing football,
Speaker 1: whether he wanted to do that anymore. That he would
Speaker 1: be a guy that they basically looked to trade, and
Speaker 1: I would think that he would have some trade value.
Speaker 1: It's a very strange situation. I can't think of many
Speaker 1: like precedents for it. They're linebacker, and Mason Foster last
Speaker 1: year at the time said he's gonna have to come
Speaker 1: back and show what he's made up, show people in
Speaker 1: his heart's really in it. I don't think anybody's gonna
Speaker 1: welcome him back with open arms, and it wasn't an
Speaker 1: isolated incident. He left his team in college multiple times
Speaker 1: um for similar reasons where he was kind of emotionally
Speaker 1: conflicted whether basically wanted to keep playing the sport. It's
Speaker 1: natural to have doubts and feelings and interest outside of football,
Speaker 1: and we saw a guy like Keenan Allen in two
Speaker 1: thousand team came out and said I almost quit after
Speaker 1: my first month in the NFL. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a music producer and I wasn't getting the playing time
Speaker 1: I deserve. It's one thing to have those feelings. I
Speaker 1: don't know how wise it is to express them publicly
Speaker 1: when you worry about a team dynamic in the locker
Speaker 1: room and football where commitment is a huge issue, commitment
Speaker 1: to the fifty three guys and putting your body through
Speaker 1: the kind of punishment and rigors of the game is
Speaker 1: a big issue for other players. And he recently had
Speaker 1: a snapchat comment where he basically said where he did say,
Speaker 1: he said, I don't feel like I need to explain myself.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have to. I think I
Speaker 1: need to follow what makes me happy. Now that's that's
Speaker 1: fine as a human being, but I think inside an
Speaker 1: NFL locker room, when you know you're gonna be tested
Speaker 1: to the total limits, like a program, I'll die on
Speaker 1: the field, play half doing all that. Tom Brady just
Speaker 1: said it. I'm willing to die, I'll give up everything.
Speaker 1: Are you willing to do the same, Like you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to be a nuanced human? And he has had concussions.
Speaker 1: He has had concussion issues. It's a I if I
Speaker 1: was the Redskins, I would welcome him, welcome him back,
Speaker 1: because ultimately, are you're gonna get much in a trade
Speaker 1: for him? He was the second round pick that did
Speaker 1: show talent in his rookie season. He looked like he
Speaker 1: was gonna be a good player. More importantly, Greg West,
Speaker 1: that was news to me that Keenan Allen was interested
Speaker 1: in pursuing a music production career. How about get Delaware
Speaker 1: back together, play some gigs, knock off the rust, and
Speaker 1: then have him executive producer comeback album. You're speaking of
Speaker 1: my my freshman year of high school band that played
Speaker 1: like the Talent Show. It was like your your emo
Speaker 1: acid rock prog rock band of the late nineties, or
Speaker 1: it was more Yeah, it was more of a mix
Speaker 1: of the Dead Milkmen. You know they might be giants?
Speaker 1: Really did the Pixies? Do you know where all the
Speaker 1: rest of the band members are? Could you? Could you
Speaker 1: do the legwork to get everyone back for a reunion show?
Speaker 1: I don't know where. I'll get a few on facebooks
Speaker 1: of you they might be? Is that bird cage in
Speaker 1: my heart? And Anna ng kind of like a joke
Speaker 1: band I love? I Yes. The first first concert I
Speaker 1: ever saw in my whole life as a as a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old, I believe was they might be giants
Speaker 1: Frank Black, like Frank Black solo album early, It's like
Speaker 1: the new that they might be giants banger Um. All right,
Speaker 1: so let me know if you can get the band
Speaker 1: back together. Let's see if Keenan is interested. All right,
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Speaker 1: What's going on, Greg, you're contacting the producer through the glass.
Speaker 1: What's I'm ready for? Marty Hernie has been reinstated into
Speaker 1: his role as the interim Panthers general management and I
Speaker 1: thought this was worth bringing up because it's a very
Speaker 1: strange situation right now that Marty Hermie Marty Hernie was
Speaker 1: being investigated um for sexual harassment case. He was an
Speaker 1: interim general manager. They don't have a general manager right now,
Speaker 1: and they're still looking for a permanent one. Wasn't he
Speaker 1: expected to be the permanent he was until all of
Speaker 1: this came up. There there was no evidence of a
Speaker 1: violation that the NFL informed the team, uh and the
Speaker 1: investigation is now closed. They believe he did not violate
Speaker 1: the league's personal conduct policy. I just wanted to put
Speaker 1: it out there because it's February sixteen. They don't have
Speaker 1: a general manager, and he can be the interim guy
Speaker 1: all they want. It's it's a strange thing. They gotta
Speaker 1: they gotta looking for an owner essentially, don't have a
Speaker 1: front office or an ownership structure. Why would anyone want
Speaker 1: to go there in free agency with that type of
Speaker 1: unrest we just saw on the two bills of Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick to get a general manager to leave the Jets
Speaker 1: because of that stuff. I think smart football people know
Speaker 1: you want to go somewhere that's stable, and maybe the
Speaker 1: Panthers end up stable, but right now they are not.
Speaker 1: Stay all right, Here we go the top five calls
Speaker 1: of Okay. This was a labor of love, UH, working
Speaker 1: together throughout the season. If you're a listener of the show,
Speaker 1: a long time listener, a weekly listener, you know we
Speaker 1: play one highlight UM typically one highlight for each game
Speaker 1: we go through on Sundays and Mondays, UH, a couple
Speaker 1: on Thursday. And if one, you know, mark strikes our fancy.
Speaker 1: Is that a good way to put it? I think so.
Speaker 1: It's gotta it's gotta, you know, reach the census. It's
Speaker 1: gotta make you feel something. Then it gets sent down
Speaker 1: the conveyor belt to Lindsay full time behind the glass
Speaker 1: and say, Lindsay, clip that off. Put that in the running.
Speaker 1: And what we ended up with was a good I'd
Speaker 1: say twenty or so UM highlights we had a whittled
Speaker 1: out to five. It took. It was a process that
Speaker 1: lasted days and days. This week, it's the only thing
Speaker 1: I did. I just went through the highlights. I listened
Speaker 1: to every vowel, how much, no Danish water and white bread,
Speaker 1: just to stay focused. How they hit their words. One
Speaker 1: rickety light bulb. Yeah, one rickety light bulb. I was
Speaker 1: in the agony chamber actually doing it, uh, to make
Speaker 1: sure it was right. Uh. Greg came in at the end,
Speaker 1: swooped and said, I like this. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg, That's me. And then at the end of
Speaker 1: the at the end of the day, we had a
Speaker 1: top five. Yeah, yeah, a lot of them. When it
Speaker 1: was a lot of them, you're excited to listen to
Speaker 1: him at the time, and then suddenly it's February. Kind
Speaker 1: of the context of week six is Bengals game is
Speaker 1: a little out the window and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy was just like mildly raised his voice more
Speaker 1: than normal, doesn't resonate the same right, And we find
Speaker 1: that a lot. Uh. And in these top five, uh,
Speaker 1: these were the best though. And uh we'll start with
Speaker 1: number five. It comes from the great Mitch Holtus of
Speaker 1: Casey f X. UH. It was a game between uh
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs and the Redskins A and UH
Speaker 1: Harrison Buckner. Buck Butker lined up for a forty three
Speaker 1: yard field goal eight seconds left, looking to give the
Speaker 1: Chiefs the wind high snap pulled down, Butcher's kick us
Speaker 1: out and us right down the boulevard. It's good. The
Speaker 1: Chefs take out twenty three to lead with four seconds
Speaker 1: left in regulation, and Harrison Butker kicks some you know what,
Speaker 1: I like it. I like that one. It's number five,
Speaker 1: I thought, because I don't know, we can't say, but well,
Speaker 1: I can't you just say he kicks some butt? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well he did, didn't he? I think he said he
Speaker 1: set up. We all knew what the punch line was,
Speaker 1: and he he we we knew. I feel like if
Speaker 1: we do this year after year, there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: repeat guys like Holt, it's gonna be like the best
Speaker 1: holtus one of the year. I don't know the Titans
Speaker 1: guy's name by heart, but I feel like he's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna get on it quite a bit. Paul Allen,
Speaker 1: it's about personality more than the situation in many of these.
Speaker 1: So that was a Monday night which Gregg watched with
Speaker 1: me and the Paramore. I believe that's right. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and the paramore Paramore's it was a good game, alright.
Speaker 1: That's number five, number four? Oh yeah, you knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna show up and some people are gonna say, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: Why is Scott zolak uh so low on this list? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Scott, get used to disappointment because it's starting
Speaker 1: to pile up for you. You're coming at number and
Speaker 1: it's hatter to be on the list at all. The
Speaker 1: Patriots roughing up the Dolphins in Week twelve, and uh,
Speaker 1: here is a touchdown pass from Tom Brady to the
Speaker 1: big Man. It's end. It's not go to thirteen now
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, backed up to the fifteen. Brady's in
Speaker 1: the gun, takes the stat fox to the pocket and
Speaker 1: dis he throws luck touchdown. Robe faces it's leave. Brady
Speaker 1: gets trilled and gets right up. It says, keep breaking it,
Speaker 1: Please keep blitzing our quarterback, our quarterback, Bob Sojy, and
Speaker 1: Scott's all a w b Z. I thought this year
Speaker 1: a gentleman was the the year when I look back
Speaker 1: at the play calling of the unhinged color man that's
Speaker 1: chewing all semblance of professionalism in favor of rooting openly
Speaker 1: for his favorite team, well in him especially, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I will trample over Bob Sochy every single time I speak,
Speaker 1: I will get my words out there. And we saw
Speaker 1: him in Media night. Zolock is a truly strange, wild
Speaker 1: energy presence. I mean, he was crazy. That's him. That's him,
Speaker 1: like he us. He comes off when you listen to
Speaker 1: these as like a fan of the Patriots that grew
Speaker 1: up in Southey or maybe like Western mass around where
Speaker 1: Greg's from. And he got to Foxborough, uh at six
Speaker 1: am for a four pm kickoff, and then right I
Speaker 1: had like three thirty pm, a Patriots staff or grabbed
Speaker 1: him after he put down a quarter keag himself and
Speaker 1: put him up in the booth. That's Scott Slack and
Speaker 1: uh apparently he's quite popular up there, so people like it.
Speaker 1: I I think it speaks to a larger issue. Dan On,
Speaker 1: on your statement that it's not only color guys but writers,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like the the use of we
Speaker 1: coming from a writer. I just lose a little bit
Speaker 1: of respect. I don't know. I can't take you as seriously.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about we've talked about this on the
Speaker 1: podcast before. Mark, you and I grew up around the
Speaker 1: New York market where even though there are leanings, I'm
Speaker 1: sure with these guys, even the color guys, they play
Speaker 1: a pretty straight but when you listen to the local
Speaker 1: radio guys, even up in Boston, which is a Northeast market,
Speaker 1: they are all in totally different animals for the home team.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to number three. Oh yeah, shut up, Scott,
Speaker 1: your time's over your number four. You don't even get
Speaker 1: a prose baby. I mean, he has really stretched out
Speaker 1: those seven career starts into quite a broadcast. It's so true,
Speaker 1: all right, this next one, this is a deep cut.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. It was founded by Mark Sessler who
Speaker 1: was waiting for me to pick him up to take
Speaker 1: him to a bar to watch a mundane Seahawks Cardinals
Speaker 1: game in week ten. And you were, I think you
Speaker 1: were listening in on the radio callon think about the
Speaker 1: professionalism involved with this podcast. Some bird Dog Scouting premiered.
Speaker 1: So with thirteen minutes and two seconds to play in
Speaker 1: the third quarter, we heard this from Ron Wolfie Katie.
Speaker 1: A R Dave pass with the play call look standing back.
Speaker 1: The throw with time looking short, passed to the left.
Speaker 1: It is caught inside the forty by Peterson and he
Speaker 1: turns up field of the thirty gets the first down
Speaker 1: inside the thirty five down to the thirty three. First
Speaker 1: of all, Peterson caught the ball, which is rare because
Speaker 1: he doesn't catch a lot of passes. But then he
Speaker 1: stayed in bounds, got thirteen yards. How about that he
Speaker 1: broke the tackle of camp Chancellor by the way, shook
Speaker 1: him off like a little winter snow on a sunlit,
Speaker 1: moonlit deeping. But that was weird, right, there, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: You think? Dave? I love Dave passes straight and then
Speaker 1: reaction there He's like what because typically when someone gets
Speaker 1: lost in the weeds, you're you kinda they're they're on
Speaker 1: their own in a way. But sometimes it's so ridiculous
Speaker 1: that and Dave in this case had to speak as
Speaker 1: the audience sargein and be like, what starts off so
Speaker 1: prom if he had just chosen sunlit or moonlit, he
Speaker 1: was fine. I'm really excited for after the show because
Speaker 1: I just googled Ron Wolfley's name that there's a newspaper
Speaker 1: article from the Arizona Republic titled Here's why wolf Ley
Speaker 1: talks that way during Cardinals games. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to then why here's here's why he talks. It's gonna
Speaker 1: explain it like Jesse the body Ventur. I guess I
Speaker 1: just got my my flight arrangements for the Combine Mark.
Speaker 1: They're sending me to Atlanta as well. Yeah, we're going
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis, but let's go to Atlanta. We're probably on
Speaker 1: the same flight. This is the third floor at work. Again,
Speaker 1: they're making their you know's, they got all the Squarespace
Speaker 1: money coming out of their pockets, but they gotta put
Speaker 1: us on eight connecting flights to get for me to
Speaker 1: be at least they're at work. Delta is the only
Speaker 1: place that flies direct from a well, that's this is
Speaker 1: a Delta. This is a Delta flight. So on contrary
Speaker 1: to that idea. Now they've gone around about how many
Speaker 1: times can we be double crossed? In one podcast? It's
Speaker 1: it is, it's it's cropping up. What is this the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties cartoon American Delta Direct Flight? Alright, I don't Delta.
Speaker 1: We're getting killed here. Yeah, alright, congratulations Lindsey and your
Speaker 1: great fortune. Maybe we're supposed to. We make fun of
Speaker 1: the third four constantly, and this is their way to
Speaker 1: get revenge. Now we're into that big time. So ron
Speaker 1: wolf Lee gets the bronze and uh, now it is
Speaker 1: time for Merl Reas and Mike Quick of w I
Speaker 1: p the Eagles when their first Super Bowl and franchise history.
Speaker 1: And and I'm happy for Merl Reaves that he got
Speaker 1: to do this call because it wasn't a perfect super
Speaker 1: Bowl for Mel Reas. The famous Philly Special not quite
Speaker 1: as famous as the helmet catch mark, but the very
Speaker 1: famous Philly Special, the most famous individual play in Eagles history.
Speaker 1: As Gregg pointed out on our Super Bowl show, Oh
Speaker 1: it has to hurt when you're the play by play guy.
Speaker 1: He got the name wrong. I said, Tray and Trey
Speaker 1: Burton through the past, Nick Foles, he said, well, he
Speaker 1: went zach Ertz. He kept mentioning Zack Hurts. I think
Speaker 1: four or five or six times a Reese bummer. That's
Speaker 1: a bad one. But vindication came on the final play
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl's us. We will never forget this, hopefully
Speaker 1: with joy in our hearts. Time Suckings one Eagles by day,
Speaker 1: Freddy Win the n He's back again, he steps on,
Speaker 1: he's hit, he stumbles, he is throwing it deep for
Speaker 1: the m zone and it is battle around and I'm
Speaker 1: completing the cables all over Philadelphia Eagles are Super Bowl champions,
Speaker 1: Eagles fans everywhere. This is for you. Let those tele
Speaker 1: points sick it. Oh my god, it's gonna say when
Speaker 1: I just bust it out and so don't even know
Speaker 1: what to do with myself right now. Ah, there you go.
Speaker 1: That was of course Colleen Wolf the a t M
Speaker 1: med inside I got that exclusive. But Meryl Reese and
Speaker 1: Mike Quick with the call w y p uh nice.
Speaker 1: That's a nice like some of my earliest memories. Because
Speaker 1: football on the radio, I think is it can be
Speaker 1: at times far superior to anything you see on television.
Speaker 1: And that play explains exactly why, because he's tracking the
Speaker 1: ball and your minute by minute, by second by second,
Speaker 1: wondering if the ball hit the ground or landing in
Speaker 1: someone's hands, and he did a great job with that.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of driving around with my dad on Sunday's
Speaker 1: Way Back listening to Giants games and it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's from the forties or fifties. It it takes you
Speaker 1: to a completely different time radio football. I'm impressed with
Speaker 1: guys like Kevin Harland who go between television and radio.
Speaker 1: He does Monday nights and does an awesome job in
Speaker 1: the rate and it's such a different call and such
Speaker 1: a different skill set and he just like goes between
Speaker 1: it to Benny on the day. All right, good job, guys,
Speaker 1: Now that's it. You would think that that call the
Speaker 1: first Super Bowl title in Eagles history, a great call
Speaker 1: by recent quick with get it. But no, there was
Speaker 1: one better call, and uh came from k f A
Speaker 1: and Paul Allen and his partner Paul versus sich Yes.
Speaker 1: The final play of the Divisional playoffs Viking Saints Vikings
Speaker 1: at their own thirty nine. It's third down, three receivers right,
Speaker 1: feeling left, Marshawn Lattimore twelve yards from Adam Case on
Speaker 1: a deep Throp steps up in the fucking He'll fire
Speaker 1: to the right side. Come by games, stay on, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, are you getting Eric in the media. It's
Speaker 1: all right, step on. Let me do Orleans Saints. That's
Speaker 1: a sick. The most impressive part of it for me
Speaker 1: is Paul Allen coining the nickname for the play. And
Speaker 1: it's not the most original nickname, but it is perfect.
Speaker 1: It will stand the test of time. He said it
Speaker 1: in real time seconds after the play ended, and that's
Speaker 1: what's held up. That's how people know that play, and
Speaker 1: that's how you get number one for the season. That's
Speaker 1: stepping up to the moment right there. You, Paul Allen,
Speaker 1: you met the big moment. You basically did that. You
Speaker 1: know the same thing Stefan Diggs did. What if you're
Speaker 1: driving around when that happens, you go right off the highway? Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean that would be that would be a really
Speaker 1: impossible thing to do. If you're a die hard Vikings fan,
Speaker 1: if you're listening on the radio, you gotta pull over
Speaker 1: before the last player. That just in terms of safety,
Speaker 1: I would agree, tremendous, tremendous work by Paul and try
Speaker 1: to get Paul on the show. Reached out to him,
Speaker 1: but he's probably still fielding media inquiries. That's my theory.
Speaker 1: That's why you didn't get back to us. But good
Speaker 1: job by you and Greg with only one her in
Speaker 1: white Bread to come up with that. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the art of broadcasting right there. That's just that deserves
Speaker 1: to be number one. I believe Lindsey Fulton deserves a
Speaker 1: lot of credit helping to curate the list. So there
Speaker 1: you go, the top five plays. The winner, he gets
Speaker 1: the crown. This year Paul Allen. Uh with his buddy
Speaker 1: Paul Bursch of k f A n all. Right, before
Speaker 1: we go, Greg's clicks hunting. He's out in the out back.
Speaker 1: He said, I need them clicks. It's almost bonus time.
Speaker 1: I gotta told that maximum four percent bonus? How do
Speaker 1: I do it? Maximum clicks? Is that NFL Netflix? Greg
Speaker 1: risin full? So he's been rolling him out the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. His his signature pieces leading up to
Speaker 1: free agency. This one free franchise tag predictions, Uh, you
Speaker 1: call it the Primer and now the Primmer in a
Speaker 1: big spot headline two NFL Franchise Tag Primmer colon eight
Speaker 1: most likely Candidates. Okay, so let's go through Greg. Uh.
Speaker 1: You start, you break it down into tears. As we
Speaker 1: know we know Greg's work by now. Greg's fingerprints is DNA.
Speaker 1: He likes to break things into tears. And his top
Speaker 1: tiers the no brainers Levy on Bell staying with Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Lawrence staying with the Cowboys. No brainers means
Speaker 1: there's no way they shouldn't do it, or no way
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. There's no way that those players are
Speaker 1: hitting free agency with with Bell especially, I could see
Speaker 1: a scenario where they do get a contract done before
Speaker 1: the final day that you can tag a player, which
Speaker 1: is March six. But if they if they're not able
Speaker 1: to do it in that in the meantime, there's no
Speaker 1: way they're not going to tag tag Bell. That's my
Speaker 1: belief and Lawrence well, and this time around, Bell said
Speaker 1: that he would play on the tag. Not not that
Speaker 1: he prefers that, but I thought he was gonna retire
Speaker 1: or something. I kind of checked out on the whole
Speaker 1: the other way. Oh, I thought he said that he
Speaker 1: would play under that he's changed. He will, he made
Speaker 1: very well, may have. He has waffled back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's the second thing I'll look up floating away in
Speaker 1: the ocean. Goodbye. Either way. Kevin Colvert spoke to Did
Speaker 1: he Can Wild this week, and he made it clear.
Speaker 1: I think they're not They're gonna get this done. They
Speaker 1: they offered to make him the highest paid running back
Speaker 1: in the league by far last year. I just think
Speaker 1: there's too much. When both sides want to get a
Speaker 1: deal done, it happens, you know, By the way, on
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com, we have a story where he says
Speaker 1: he would play under the franchise well, I would be
Speaker 1: a very high number this year because he played under
Speaker 1: it last year. It is massive redemption. I thought you
Speaker 1: were floating away like Wilson. Well, it's like the worst
Speaker 1: thing that could be happening. It's like, I, you know,
Speaker 1: you you state something. Everyone's like, no, that's not true
Speaker 1: at all, and you're like, what am I doing here
Speaker 1: in the building. What's what's striking to me about this list?
Speaker 1: In that category to players are new brainers. It's just
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve that twenty one players got the franchise tag.
Speaker 1: It has changed massively because five years ago teams were
Speaker 1: using it against the spirit of the rules. It was
Speaker 1: always meant to be used as a tool to help
Speaker 1: you come to a long term agreement, and a lot
Speaker 1: of teams were using it just to keep players there
Speaker 1: without wanting a long term agreement. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a I mean, think about why the franchise tag started.
Speaker 1: Why is named the franchise tag for a player who's
Speaker 1: the face of your franchise that you're not gonna lose him.
Speaker 1: It's like the NBA has a Larry Bird exception. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to be for that caliber of players, and the
Speaker 1: price has gone up significantly due to changes in the CBA.
Speaker 1: That was one good thing that happened for veterans. So
Speaker 1: these are high tags. With that said, I think the
Speaker 1: bigger factor is that teams are just doing a better
Speaker 1: job resigning their own players, because when you look at
Speaker 1: this list, and we'll get into it, like I do
Speaker 1: think some mid mid level players are pretty good candidates
Speaker 1: to get tags and get get huge that it's easier
Speaker 1: to resign your guys when the allary cap keeps going up.
Speaker 1: So I guess everybody wins next category. Say yes, these
Speaker 1: players are by Elliott Smith. Shoutout, how about that? Look
Speaker 1: at you? These players are by no means guaranteed to
Speaker 1: get tagged, but I'm leaning yes if they will. That's
Speaker 1: exact text from Greg and you have on this list,
Speaker 1: amongst others, Alan Robinson, Sammy Watkins, and Kyle Fuller. This
Speaker 1: is a surprised me. I did not expect to see
Speaker 1: names like Kyle Fuller and Andrew Norwell and I Sheldon
Speaker 1: Richardson on here. I could be totally wrong. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just shooting shooting my shots here, just guessing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I asked around a little bit on on these I
Speaker 1: just think it logically, why let Kyle let you? You
Speaker 1: like Kyle Fuller, for instance, and he came out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: had a great year West do like him a lot.
Speaker 1: I think I like him more than the Bears like him.
Speaker 1: The Bears are trying to sign him long term. And
Speaker 1: I guess my thought is, Okay, the Bears have forty
Speaker 1: million in cap space, they'll probably open up another twenty
Speaker 1: five million with cuts. You have sixty million in cap space.
Speaker 1: Why not give Kyle Fuller fifteen million dollars this year?
Speaker 1: If if he's starting on your team and he makes
Speaker 1: your team better, you're basically making the choice We're gonna
Speaker 1: spend less to get worse because you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: better players in free agency than that. And I really,
Speaker 1: if I'm in the these teams, I love that there's
Speaker 1: no long term commitment. It's one year. You can easily
Speaker 1: fit him under the cap, pay him. I like the idea. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the cap has changed so much. But to
Speaker 1: your point that this used to be the face of
Speaker 1: your franchise, I mean, we've quickly veered into a cast
Speaker 1: of characters that couldn't be anything. There's nothing close to that.
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson, I think one of the more but Sammy talented.
Speaker 1: That's sort of like the Eagles blueprint with al Sean Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: Give me a year, we're gonna go try to win
Speaker 1: a championship and then we'll worry about next year. After
Speaker 1: they gave up a second round pick and a veteran
Speaker 1: to get Sammy Watkins. I actually think if I was
Speaker 1: the Rams, I would rather tag LaMarcus Joiner. But I
Speaker 1: think they feel like they've invested so much in Sammy Watkins,
Speaker 1: even though it's sixteen million dollars, which seems crazy for
Speaker 1: a guy that only had five yards. It's like you
Speaker 1: made that trade. I think they want to make it
Speaker 1: work with Sammy. Your next here and this is this
Speaker 1: is saucy because the click hunter now is digging in.
Speaker 1: He says these are big names that he doesn't think
Speaker 1: you're gonna be tagged. That means they're gonna go into
Speaker 1: the UFA pile. Hopefully the click ter strikes again. Jarvis Landry,
Speaker 1: that's not pejorative, by the way. I don't want to
Speaker 1: make it seem like I'm I'm consulting you. Greg. This
Speaker 1: will be. It's reminiscent of the mind Hunter, that great
Speaker 1: serial killer show on on Netflix. I watched the pilot,
Speaker 1: couldn't get into it. Oh, I loved it. Um, you're
Speaker 1: just these are stories that do well historically, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think so. I mean I think
Speaker 1: some of them, not particularly. The thing that's nice is
Speaker 1: I don't think any of all pay any attention to
Speaker 1: how are articles do anymore? Which overall is a good thing.
Speaker 1: All right. Jarvis Landry the Dolphins, the guy has like
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty catches a year, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: always mean you're a real star. Case Keenum of the Bikes, Uh,
Speaker 1: we know all about Case. And then Jimmy Graham. We
Speaker 1: just talked about him actually on our Free Agency Free
Speaker 1: Agency Primmer video show, which you could check out on
Speaker 1: YouTube on the official NFL channel and also if you
Speaker 1: like to stay more NFL dot com located NFL dot
Speaker 1: com slash a t N video where you could find
Speaker 1: our Primmer. It's a fifteen minute breakdown of the market
Speaker 1: as it stands. Gregg might take you that long to
Speaker 1: find it too. So why aren't these players being taked?
Speaker 1: Let's start with Jervis Landry in your opinion, I don't
Speaker 1: think the Dolphins have ever shown that they really value
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry, so this is just a guess. He is
Speaker 1: not the type of player that usually gets to free
Speaker 1: agency because he's productive, he's young, he's obviously good. But
Speaker 1: they don't seem like they really are that into Jarvis Landry.
Speaker 1: I can't feel like him and Adam Case aren't completely
Speaker 1: on the same page. If h well, it doesn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it makes sense on the roster. But
Speaker 1: if you really want to keep O'Dell Beckham around in
Speaker 1: New York, why don't you get his best friend up
Speaker 1: there in the medal Lands. Those guys literally love each other.
Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, the media coverage would be insuperable.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, he's a little duplicative with Sterling
Speaker 1: Shepard anyway, and Jimmy Graham. Uh, that makes sense to
Speaker 1: me too. That's the second Seahawk though, So they'd have
Speaker 1: to pick between these two, and they might they might
Speaker 1: not go neither. I Richardson was one where some of
Speaker 1: the writing and some of the people out there they
Speaker 1: believed kind of like Sammy Watkins at the Seahawks gave
Speaker 1: up a lot for Sheldon Richardson and they almost don't
Speaker 1: want to make that trade be such a waste. And
Speaker 1: they seem a little higher on how he performed, uh
Speaker 1: than than his normal stats show. How about make a
Speaker 1: play the one thing if he hasn't light his best
Speaker 1: really since two thousand fourteen, that's a little that's a
Speaker 1: little time now for a with case Keenum, because let's
Speaker 1: say a lot of people are pairing the Vikings with
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. Now we don't know where the Vikings are
Speaker 1: on that, but if you're gonna make a play for
Speaker 1: Cousins publicly, and then you also have to turn around
Speaker 1: and either try to sign or franchise tag case Keenum
Speaker 1: after the season. He just gave you Remember when Mark
Speaker 1: Sanchez got that makeup deal when were they pursuing Peyton
Speaker 1: Man and they gave Yeah, it was a ridiculous contract
Speaker 1: that even Jets fans thought was absurd. I think Dan
Speaker 1: even got in trouble for you know, angling it that
Speaker 1: way and it's it's right up. But yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: your's you have to play this game with case Keenan
Speaker 1: would just gave you this like breakout year and it
Speaker 1: could be that could men, and you would have to
Speaker 1: make the decision by March six. I don't see how
Speaker 1: that makes any sense if you're if you're legitimately going
Speaker 1: to go after kirk Cousins. And also, I think there's
Speaker 1: a great risk if you give Keenum any tag, he's
Speaker 1: gonna sign that thing right away and lock himself in
Speaker 1: for more than twenty million dollars if you don't pay
Speaker 1: Case Keenum, who's giving him twenty million a year. I
Speaker 1: don't see like any other franchise saying oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to go get my hands on Case Keenum at
Speaker 1: twenty millions. Assuming he doesn't get tagged. There's a little tea.
Speaker 1: By the way, nobody wanted him for a one year,
Speaker 1: two million dollar deal with the things have changed. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that that is very true. Fifty a little over under
Speaker 1: uh teaser, go get my lunch. Not really throwing it
Speaker 1: out this for sandwiches. But if Case Keenum hits the
Speaker 1: market over under guaranteed money fifteen and a half million,
Speaker 1: I go, I'm gonna go over gets like a two
Speaker 1: year deal. If Glennon got eighteen guaranteed, I feel like
Speaker 1: Keenum will get get over fifty sort of this year's
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick after the Jets didn't want to pay Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: But I I feel like he's got a little more
Speaker 1: shine on him, and the salary caps higher, So I'll
Speaker 1: go over and younger and and had a better year.
Speaker 1: You know, there are there is a way you can
Speaker 1: kind of convince yourself into keenom that, hey, he's a
Speaker 1: relatively young player. Who I mean, Patrick's said the Jets
Speaker 1: franchise record for touchdowns that year. It's gotta be over
Speaker 1: because the quarterback money is insane right now. Patrick ended
Speaker 1: up getting twelve million guaranteed. Yeah, I think the money
Speaker 1: before he gets the money is bigger now than it
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago. All right, and Greg
Speaker 1: as as we know, to Drew Brees, not even a
Speaker 1: real discussion here. Drew Brees and Nate Soldier both had
Speaker 1: clauses in their contract that say they can't be tagged
Speaker 1: good job by their agents. What contract do you give
Speaker 1: Drew Brees though, at age thirty nine, I think it's
Speaker 1: really tricky. I I people just assume he's gonna just
Speaker 1: like down and signed some team, because because he's staying
Speaker 1: in that's easy for him to say he can play
Speaker 1: good cop, bad cop with with your agent being the
Speaker 1: bad cop and his agent, Tom Condon is pretty much
Speaker 1: made a career out of sucking teams dry and getting
Speaker 1: them maximumount of quarterback money possible. Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and it's very rarely easy. Could you ever
Speaker 1: see like a weird team like the Jets swooping in
Speaker 1: and getting Breeze for three years anything like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he didn't show signs of decline last year. I didn't
Speaker 1: think they are three years away and he'll be like
Speaker 1: years old. I don't know. I could just see one
Speaker 1: team doing like a two year patch with him. What
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals, That's what I'm saying. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't go anywhere. He's probably but I could be
Speaker 1: so off with this, But I do think there will
Speaker 1: be some reports at some point that says this team
Speaker 1: is interested in Drew Brees, and he's kind of interested,
Speaker 1: and it never happens. He ends up stay, he ends
Speaker 1: up using that to stay with the Saints. But I
Speaker 1: do think, I do think that could happen. Larry Fitzgerald
Speaker 1: has made a phone call to Drew right exactly to
Speaker 1: the desert. I don't. I don't think it's gonna happen either,
Speaker 1: but I could see that headline definitely. I agree that.
Speaker 1: I could see Larry Fitzgerald called Drew Brees, and I
Speaker 1: could see all of that. I'm just going to write
Speaker 1: it when when it comes down to it, he is
Speaker 1: going to be back in New Orleans. Um, okay, there
Speaker 1: you go. Check it out NFL dot com. Slash Rosenthal
Speaker 1: hunt damn clicks, hunt them down? What's up with Mark?
Speaker 1: It's a it's a very in house expensive just got
Speaker 1: approved after you know, iterations on email. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if that should be announced on It's been a
Speaker 1: big internal show any where many of us. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm still dealing with that. This is another issue Peak
Speaker 1: behind the Curtain podcast. Yeah. Sometimes you know, it's not
Speaker 1: as exciting as you would think it would be to
Speaker 1: open up the commo. Um. All right, we will be
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Speaker 1: President's Day where we celebrate the past presidents. Um. And
Speaker 1: we will be back Tuesday, and then we'll have another
Speaker 1: show Thursday and then a show Friday. So still three
Speaker 1: shows next week, but no show Tuesday. But you're all
Speaker 1: gonna tweet us anyway, saying where's the show on Monday?
Speaker 1: So why don't even tell you this? I love you guys. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the week after that we are going to
Speaker 1: the Combine and we'll be doing two shows from the
Speaker 1: are covering all the press conferences for the coaches in GM.
Speaker 1: So it's fun time a year, uh, and we're all
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. I just I just found out
Speaker 1: that we're gonna have some multiple Westlings in in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: for the Combine, driving over from Cincinnati. Trouble, trouble, rolling
Speaker 1: in over the border, over the city limits. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: great news. All right, we will be back next week,
Speaker 1: so thank you. This is Dan Hansons signing off for
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