Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast always survives the ground. Can
Speaker 1: I jump in now because I'm jumping eight out. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Around the NFL podcast. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a highlight for me. It's a thrill for me
Speaker 1: to be here with three of my best friends and
Speaker 1: Dan Hans's It's really exciting. And I can't tell you
Speaker 1: all that are listening, how how much of my highlight
Speaker 1: this is my career. This is the equipped honyways. So
Speaker 1: I just I'm really couldn't be happy to have It's
Speaker 1: really great and marcot to see you about this look great?
Speaker 1: The same podcast equivalent of like the Make a Wish Foundation.
Speaker 1: It's like, DJ, why didn't you come out of podcast
Speaker 1: that people actually listen to? So here you are. We're
Speaker 1: letting you sit in and it's great to have you.
Speaker 1: I know you're very busy right now. No, look, it's
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's cute that they let you guys in.
Speaker 1: Heer those Seriously, how did you guys do for the
Speaker 1: for the listeners? You know, for regular podcast listeners, you
Speaker 1: probably don't recognize the voice if you listen to podcasts.
Speaker 1: This is Daniel Jeremiah a K Move the Sticks NFL networks,
Speaker 1: draft analysts. What is buzzing through your body your system?
Speaker 1: To be in this room on a show that is
Speaker 1: highly successful, listened to by many, Uh, it is a
Speaker 1: pretty exciting experience. I gotta tell you. I've had some
Speaker 1: cool experiences in life. You know. You you worked with
Speaker 1: different teams, you around Hall of famers like Hausy knew
Speaker 1: some great coaches like Andy Reid. But to be sitting
Speaker 1: in here with three stunts like you guys is great,
Speaker 1: you know. And Dan's a nice guy, he really is.
Speaker 1: He means well. I mean, well, it's very true. I
Speaker 1: try my best. Like no one could could really stack
Speaker 1: up with DJ especially this time of year. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had rap sheet on here, uh yesterday and it's
Speaker 1: rap sheet season. Also moved the stick season. So, by
Speaker 1: the way, did you see the rap sheet thing with
Speaker 1: with Chad Dukes and yeah we got did you? Yeah
Speaker 1: we talked a little shock jock. You got pretty intense,
Speaker 1: yea with rap sheet? Did you hear my drop in
Speaker 1: that whole feud? But you want to hear that? No,
Speaker 1: we'll play it afterwards. You had any feuds, I wasn't
Speaker 1: in the feuds, but I was Dad Duke's dropped my
Speaker 1: name in the middle of the rant. M oh, it's
Speaker 1: like a class act that wouldn't hang up. Was that
Speaker 1: it was? It was, I can't even you have to
Speaker 1: you have to listen to it. Unique we did. Actually,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Chase Goodbread on a little bit later.
Speaker 1: Chase is good football seven open the kimono. We asked
Speaker 1: to have dj on I. I hit him up with
Speaker 1: the d M and he's like, I'm really busy. Let
Speaker 1: me get back. Do you see if I can do it?
Speaker 1: He never even got back to me. Yeah, it's funny
Speaker 1: if any of you guys wh would have reached out
Speaker 1: to me boom and now he's happen. He's just sitting
Speaker 1: here watching kickers and punters. By the way, So you
Speaker 1: guys first set the scene for the folks who are
Speaker 1: listening here, and both of them um the uh on
Speaker 1: the field right now, we've got the kicker punter workout.
Speaker 1: So when you're a scout, when you start um the
Speaker 1: early duties for a young scout, you've got two responsibilities.
Speaker 1: Number one is keep the snacks stocked in the meeting
Speaker 1: room at night. You never want to run out of
Speaker 1: gummy bears or or whatever Your your coaches like that.
Speaker 1: No that way, so keep the snacks up. Number two
Speaker 1: is you gotta come out here and get times for
Speaker 1: for kickers and nurse. So literally literally this is like
Speaker 1: your first thing and you're and you don't know anything
Speaker 1: about scouting, right, so you come out here. What am
Speaker 1: I doing? You? Touch to toe? That's all you. You
Speaker 1: are in charge today. Touch to toe. So from when
Speaker 1: the punter catches the catches a snap, that's the touch,
Speaker 1: and then when it hits his foot that's the toe.
Speaker 1: So you're getting times on it's a handle time from
Speaker 1: touch to toe. So you spent out here hours and
Speaker 1: just boop boop with the mendos aligned for doll, I
Speaker 1: don't even care. I don't remember. I try to black
Speaker 1: it all out. I mean, how would anyone even the
Speaker 1: best part about As we get back to the meetings
Speaker 1: and it's like we go, okay, what do you think
Speaker 1: these guys? I don't know, special teams go, do you
Speaker 1: want people like crapping? How would anyone know if someone
Speaker 1: was accurate or good at timing these players or not? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you get pretty good with I mean that's
Speaker 1: what you do. And at this point it would just
Speaker 1: be on video and you'd be timing it off of
Speaker 1: like video, we do it. We do it off video too,
Speaker 1: And so when you were doing an advanced report for
Speaker 1: a team you're getting ready to play and the special
Speaker 1: teams advanced you would do it. And for kickers, for
Speaker 1: field goal kickers, it's operation time. So it's the amount
Speaker 1: from when the ball is immediately snapped to when it's kicked.
Speaker 1: And so once you get that operation and this is
Speaker 1: way in the weeds, by the way, but once you
Speaker 1: get you know, you know where the set numbers are
Speaker 1: and if you're above a certain time, then we go, okay,
Speaker 1: we can put a block on against these guys. I
Speaker 1: think we can actually get home because they have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a longer operation time. But it is
Speaker 1: not a fun job to sit there with your stop
Speaker 1: watching and the move the Sticks podcast is generally about
Speaker 1: stop watch stuff. It's good thing that you dropped a
Speaker 1: big time dust for like an actual full segments that
Speaker 1: you could bring this info to the like that. I
Speaker 1: always wanted to know one thing behind the scenes. Mike Mayock,
Speaker 1: fun guy, have the money or than honest? You could
Speaker 1: be honestly. First of all, where do you guys keep
Speaker 1: the Toasters. I don't see him as they're a big
Speaker 1: stock of them. Uh, Mike's great. Yeah, Me and might
Speaker 1: get along great. And in fact, like during this time
Speaker 1: of year, there's very few people outside the league. You know,
Speaker 1: you talk to your league buddies, but there's very few
Speaker 1: other people that are spending all day just watching these guys.
Speaker 1: And the way it works now, once you've got to
Speaker 1: the top guys, you're one through everybody else, and you
Speaker 1: can watch ten guys in a row that suck, and
Speaker 1: so that you get to the eleventh guy, you think
Speaker 1: you've seen Jim Brown because you're like, this guy so
Speaker 1: much better than these other crappy players. So Mike is
Speaker 1: a good sounding board and I try and function with
Speaker 1: that for him as well, Like, hey, dude, am I crazy?
Speaker 1: But this guy you know or anything? But this guy
Speaker 1: is pretty good. So it's nice to have a little
Speaker 1: back and forth with him. He likes it's like a
Speaker 1: lesser version of Greg and West in their scientist basement.
Speaker 1: Oh is that what they do? Apparently? I like that
Speaker 1: you're not threatened by Mike Mack, but you obviously seems
Speaker 1: so threatened by y Well, I mean, look to be
Speaker 1: in the presence of podcast greatness. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: big deal. It is a big Seriously, how did you
Speaker 1: get credentials? How's it? We'll get credecd We had an issue.
Speaker 1: But Daniel, we're really glad we could do this for you. Um.
Speaker 1: But and if there is a Move the Sticks pocket,
Speaker 1: Sully is sitting in here. I believe he produces that show.
Speaker 1: It's just getting off the ground right and just starting. No,
Speaker 1: it's been around how many times a week? Twice a
Speaker 1: week the Move the Sticks Podcast? Quick question for you guys.
Speaker 1: How many times you guys had Michael Vicken? Just curious?
Speaker 1: We had him last week? No big, you know, we
Speaker 1: got a Michael Vick prison exclusive a few years back,
Speaker 1: so we we have our connection. We did have Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy before the suspension. Listen, we had Dan and I
Speaker 1: talked to Jim Brown. Speaking of Jim Brown, Yeah, very well,
Speaker 1: he's like you guys are kind of funny. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have literally the best football player ever on our pod. Guys,
Speaker 1: so that's pretty good. I'll give you that one. You
Speaker 1: know would be a gangster move right now? Is you
Speaker 1: didn't even air this interview? The mics aren't plug in,
Speaker 1: all right, We're gonna get going on the show. You
Speaker 1: can go back to your other personal suite that you have.
Speaker 1: Thank you for stopping by. Move the Sticks pom on
Speaker 1: on Twitter, And of course he's gonna be all over
Speaker 1: the network from now until Draft Day. See, boys, I
Speaker 1: really do love you, the three of you. At least
Speaker 1: thanks good TV looks. You can tell why they put
Speaker 1: him on TV. They trust him to go on the network.
Speaker 1: He happened an endless time. He takes his shots at me,
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's giving me any attention makes
Speaker 1: me feel good because he's very important. Look at him
Speaker 1: as he leaves the room. Yes, welcome to the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. UH. Day two at the NFL Scouting
Speaker 1: combine a lot to get to. You just heard Move
Speaker 1: the Sticks. Later, you're gonna hear from Chase good Bread
Speaker 1: of College Football NFL dot Com. Uh, And we are
Speaker 1: also going to do a little bit of news. Before
Speaker 1: we do any of that, though, let's talk about day
Speaker 1: two of the press conferences boys. Um, and actually let's
Speaker 1: start here before we get into the takeaways. Let's open
Speaker 1: the komodo once more and share that we really were
Speaker 1: A plan was to get Connor Or on the program today.
Speaker 1: But Greg, something something happened on the way into Lucas
Speaker 1: Oil Stadium that maybe you could share with our audience.
Speaker 1: We we were walking up to the suite we got
Speaker 1: into the stadium past security check their bags, and we're just, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a hundred feet away from the suite we're taping
Speaker 1: in right now, and a gentleman, a security I who
Speaker 1: was literally reading the Indianapolis Star kind of looks up
Speaker 1: after we're two or three feet past and and said, oh,
Speaker 1: you you can't keep going. You can't you can't walk pon.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be or Seohn Sullivan was with
Speaker 1: us at the time, so Sully, you feel free to
Speaker 1: tell me if if I'm wrong in any in any
Speaker 1: of this basically got into a back and forth which
Speaker 1: resulted in connor Or being escorted out of the building
Speaker 1: and his credential being taken from him, which seems like
Speaker 1: a strange two part maneuver, like they're booting him out
Speaker 1: of the building and they're taking his credential from him
Speaker 1: so that he apparently can't go. Basically ruined his life.
Speaker 1: We even called Shadowy League figures and they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1: This is Sully jump jumping up there, the second um
Speaker 1: person from the Move the six podcast to invite themselves
Speaker 1: onto the show. How you doing, Sully? Well, no I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't invite myself, Greg said, feel free to back
Speaker 1: me up there. That's absolutely no. Ultimately, Greg, you are
Speaker 1: you were Connor's former paul Us. Uh, you pull him
Speaker 1: into this working environment. He's now at the mm QB
Speaker 1: and you have had a high high ranking writer from
Speaker 1: sports illustrated. Their credential has been pulled thanks to hanging
Speaker 1: out with you. Let's get him on the phone right now.
Speaker 1: We're gonna because we're remote here from Lucas Oil Stadium. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a little bit um, a little
Speaker 1: you know, putting it together with a spit and what
Speaker 1: you McCall it right? What are they called? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You're gonna have to dig yourself out
Speaker 1: of that one. This appears to be the journal equivalent
Speaker 1: of being kicked out of a bar for being underage
Speaker 1: and losing your license. All right, here we go Connor
Speaker 1: Or making the call. Hey you there, kind I'm here,
Speaker 1: Hey buddy, so welcome to the Round the NFL podcast. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we couldn't do it on the terms that we initially
Speaker 1: agreed upon. How's everything going. I heard about the the
Speaker 1: setback you had. Yeah, so, I mean there is there's
Speaker 1: probably like a fifty. But I'm just banned from this
Speaker 1: thing for the dation, you know, so you know, well
Speaker 1: see how it goes. Uh when they when they walked
Speaker 1: me out of the building, they mentioned about taking the credentials,
Speaker 1: so you know, I just could have a lot the
Speaker 1: other Oh so, so you you escaped Connor with your
Speaker 1: credential in the end, you just kind of ran away
Speaker 1: from the He was an older gentleman. Uh. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the scape is the word, but
Speaker 1: you know I would say that, you know, my credit,
Speaker 1: my credential here is like my identity. I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm like Leonardo DiCaprio on the end of the department.
Speaker 1: This guy was trying to erase me, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I just wasn't gonna let it happen. I'm standing here
Speaker 1: looking at Lucas Oil. Uh uh. You know you know
Speaker 1: one thing you said really I found interesting. During the process,
Speaker 1: We're going back and forth with this security guard as
Speaker 1: he's wanting to get Connor out of the building. And
Speaker 1: we're trying to talk him out of it. And Connor
Speaker 1: said to me, the old Connor would have been losing
Speaker 1: his mind right there and been getting really angry and
Speaker 1: getting into making it even a bigger problem. But you
Speaker 1: believe you've had some personal development that that's changed things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think when you have you know,
Speaker 1: as a kid on the way, uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: you start thinking about, uh, you know, needing to have
Speaker 1: a job for a while, you stopped screaming at people.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, you know, I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: you try a little bit of honey instead of vinegar,
Speaker 1: and you see what happens today. Honey. Want you know?
Speaker 1: You are you are, You are clearly growing as a person,
Speaker 1: evolving NonStop. But how will Peter King take this news?
Speaker 1: And for some reason it gets up to him? Uh well,
Speaker 1: I just kind of planning on blaming it on you guys,
Speaker 1: didn't really I think that was that was sort of
Speaker 1: the uh thing, like, oh, you know, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I was totally trying to think of playing it up.
Speaker 1: It's sort of a set up on your part to
Speaker 1: sort of get me out of the news. Nix. You
Speaker 1: guys knew what I was capable of obviously wanted to
Speaker 1: wanted to give it to me, and so this is
Speaker 1: all kind of you know, orchestra to find you guys.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my backup plan. Wait, any what
Speaker 1: was up with that personal growth moment that you're talking about?
Speaker 1: This feels like it's sort of touching up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you can still grow as a person while
Speaker 1: being like borderline still stopathic. I think that's really sort
Speaker 1: of the balance that I'm trying to strike right now.
Speaker 1: Very nice and and Connor, I guess since you know
Speaker 1: you're no longer a part of the corporation, you are
Speaker 1: owed an official apology. So let me offer the apology
Speaker 1: from the National Football League to you for what transpired today.
Speaker 1: It's up to you. You know, next year I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be covering the XFL combine, So you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: lose out on sort of my insight now this, but
Speaker 1: you know, hey, uh maybe we can work some mount
Speaker 1: down the line. All right, Well, good luck with everything
Speaker 1: else you're trying to accomplish. You're including just getting into
Speaker 1: buildings at this point free or free or hashtag free
Speaker 1: or thank you Connor? And uh, yeah, that was that
Speaker 1: was a surprise. That was unfortunate we us the guests,
Speaker 1: but we got a gained a story. We did, and
Speaker 1: that's really the most important thing to do. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into it now. Um, even without Connor, we
Speaker 1: must soldier on and let's talk combine takeaways, uh day
Speaker 1: two of the pressors. Let's start with you, Christoph Westling.
Speaker 1: I think my takeaway is similar to Greg's that of
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks in Minnesota, the one we've heard the
Speaker 1: least about lately has been Sam Bradford, but he appears
Speaker 1: to be the one that Mike Zimmer is most fond
Speaker 1: of and would be most in favor of coming back.
Speaker 1: He talked about looking beyond the two thousand seventeen season
Speaker 1: and looking at their experiences in the past, and he
Speaker 1: seemed to give the edge to Sam Bradford over Case
Speaker 1: Keenom on that issue. Yeah, I bounced this theory. After
Speaker 1: listening to Mike Zimmer, it was hard not to come
Speaker 1: away with the impression that they just don't necessarily trust
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. They like him, and who knows, maybe if
Speaker 1: they get him back as a backup, that's great, but
Speaker 1: they're not going to bet on it and then reading
Speaker 1: between the lines of what he said about case Keenum
Speaker 1: and Bradford. With Bradford, he says, it's a health issue
Speaker 1: with Keenum, it's do we even trust this guy at all?
Speaker 1: Or is he going to be the Case Keenum from
Speaker 1: two or three years ago? And to me, that's that's
Speaker 1: a big question, Like that's the fact that he's throwing
Speaker 1: that out there, is that we don't necessarily even believe
Speaker 1: that what we saw last year was for real made
Speaker 1: me think that they really do like Bradford, and Bradford
Speaker 1: has been with John D. Philippo, the offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge factor. And I bounced this
Speaker 1: theory off of some people and that I think the
Speaker 1: consensus is that Bradford, if they stay with one of
Speaker 1: the in house guys, might kind of be the leader
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. But I but as we heard, you
Speaker 1: know yesterday from Raps, she cut Kirk Cutins might be optional.
Speaker 1: And they talked about the fact that, I mean, Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer defensive minded coach, they're gonna give John D. Philippo
Speaker 1: a big voice in who the quarterback would be. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is still Kirk Cousins. Do you feel any differently.
Speaker 1: I thought Rick Spielman wisely and craftily said nothing about
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, and neither did Zimmer. But do you sense
Speaker 1: that that there's still like the lead dog in this
Speaker 1: chase for Kirk Cousins. There's no way to know. Zimmer
Speaker 1: really emphasized, we don't want to ruin our team by
Speaker 1: paying so much for one position that we've won forty
Speaker 1: games over the last four years because of our defense
Speaker 1: and then not necessarily because the one player, which but
Speaker 1: I don't know how much to read into that. I
Speaker 1: think if they can get Kirk Cousins, they're gonna get them.
Speaker 1: And I think it's probably gonna come down to the
Speaker 1: Broncos and the Vikings, And unless the Jets, you know,
Speaker 1: just blow them out of the water financially, you would
Speaker 1: think it's gonna come down to the Vikings and the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Zimmer is fully aware of the Steaks involved right now,
Speaker 1: because they're right on the doorstep. He had this to say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's important for myself and Rick and the
Speaker 1: organization we've picked the right guy that just continue to
Speaker 1: move forward. If we don't do that, then I'll probably
Speaker 1: get fart. So Zimmer gets it well. And also there's
Speaker 1: a lot of steaks here. And Spielman yesterday he said
Speaker 1: very little about which quarterback, but he didn't mention and
Speaker 1: he went into depth about this that cap, the cap
Speaker 1: hit for these quarterbacks was a big factor in this.
Speaker 1: So maybe Cousins is still a can discuss and piece
Speaker 1: fund that team. Moving on, Mark, you um checked out
Speaker 1: your boy Brown's GM John Dorsey. Uh, and you sent
Speaker 1: a text? Can I share the text you sent? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the first time you've asked permission to do that,
Speaker 1: so please go ahead. It's not one from last night.
Speaker 1: I hope it's one for today. Good time at St
Speaker 1: al Most had a great time. Lindsay set up a
Speaker 1: big private room for us. She did a great job
Speaker 1: with it. All caps Mark Sessler. John Dorsey's a badass.
Speaker 1: Well okay, so I feel like I haven't heard that
Speaker 1: or that's not been something that's been thrown out the
Speaker 1: time of year to me to spin into hyperbole with
Speaker 1: Brown's executives. But I will say that, Um, I really
Speaker 1: was down on the team ditching the Sashy Brown analytics
Speaker 1: approach after two years. It showed to me again that
Speaker 1: they just simply couldn't stick with a plan. And John Dorsey,
Speaker 1: to me, feels like before I got to hear him
Speaker 1: today at all, it was like he knows players, but
Speaker 1: he's sort of an old school do it. They flipped
Speaker 1: to the entirely differ front side of the spectrum with
Speaker 1: their new personnel guy, and that said today, I really
Speaker 1: came away with Um two impressions. One that he is
Speaker 1: deeply he has He is respect for the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: what the organization has been, not just the last ten
Speaker 1: fifteen years of train wreck, but he gets what the
Speaker 1: organization could be if they were successful. He has committed
Speaker 1: to finding real players, veteran players, guys that can come in,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna do it differently, in a different way
Speaker 1: than Sashi Brown and that crew did. And I really
Speaker 1: don't think that they were going to miss the opportunity
Speaker 1: to sign some sort of veteran in free agency and
Speaker 1: pairum with Sam Donald. I came away just I feel
Speaker 1: like they're gonna go someone like Donald number one. They're
Speaker 1: not going to mess around with that, and pairm with
Speaker 1: me a J. McCarron. I mean. Hugh Jackson also said
Speaker 1: he did not want to start a rookie week one.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to veer away from that being
Speaker 1: the case, although every team says that. Now, well, he also,
Speaker 1: you were not. I thought he was. He's a fun
Speaker 1: character to add. Would you classify him as a badass now,
Speaker 1: I I I defined or compared him to a science
Speaker 1: teacher from a nineteen eighties comedy Like you said, I
Speaker 1: really been in a good way. I liked listening to him.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he obviously seems like a smart football mind.
Speaker 1: You can you can kind of see how maybe he
Speaker 1: would have rubbed some people the wrong way behind the
Speaker 1: scenes in Kansas City, just because he's kind of my
Speaker 1: way or the highway, just the way he talks. But
Speaker 1: that's it's a fun guy to add to the mix.
Speaker 1: One thing I noticed, and I guess every guy has
Speaker 1: to say this, but he did go out of his
Speaker 1: way to say, you know, we're open for business at
Speaker 1: the number one pick, and I like the way he
Speaker 1: said it. He was like, you know, we're open for
Speaker 1: a trade, give me a call and see what's up.
Speaker 1: It was just like an older guy trying to sound cool, like, hey,
Speaker 1: just give me a ring on the old phone, see
Speaker 1: what's up. I don't think he called me on my
Speaker 1: cellular phone. Um An the other two Mark are you also?
Speaker 1: I don't know if he fell under the badass category,
Speaker 1: but Kyle Shanahan spoke and you you had something. He
Speaker 1: was great, and he was he was funny. Uh. He
Speaker 1: just seems like the team was oh and nine and
Speaker 1: the way they think. He made a point, the best
Speaker 1: way to come out of a six and ten season
Speaker 1: with people thinking you're amazing is to start oh and
Speaker 1: nine because it ended our our last impression and what
Speaker 1: they pulled off with Jimmy g But it's like he
Speaker 1: he seems so relieved that he didn't have to spin
Speaker 1: into this offseason answering a billion questions about quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: solved him and Lynch both came off very well today.
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, it's like teams had this guy as an
Speaker 1: assistant for years and this was someone. I just think
Speaker 1: that we're gonna veer closer and closer to younger and
Speaker 1: younger head coaches that are based more on their experience
Speaker 1: in their mind than having been around and gone through
Speaker 1: four or five sort of John Foxy and stints. That's
Speaker 1: not the guy you higher anymore. I hope well that
Speaker 1: was gonna he has to take the leap. Though it's
Speaker 1: nice to win five games in a row, but they
Speaker 1: need to now become a team that's a power player
Speaker 1: for him. I couldn't agree with more with what Mark said.
Speaker 1: And he seemed like a different guy than a year ago,
Speaker 1: Like like the way he was carrying himself having been
Speaker 1: a head coach for a year, maybe not as bruised
Speaker 1: uh emotionally as he was at this point a year
Speaker 1: ago after losing that that Super Bowl. Like he just
Speaker 1: was up there seeming like a head coach and so
Speaker 1: confident that division is gonna be a lot of fun
Speaker 1: to watch, not just them in the rams, but I
Speaker 1: think the Seahawks, the three of them going after each other.
Speaker 1: Any other takeaways from the pressers today none. I I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting just because I learned something from
Speaker 1: from Pete Carroll in terms of how the combine works.
Speaker 1: He said that all the teams have a lottery held
Speaker 1: before the combine starts to decide what spot you get
Speaker 1: for the suite in which you can watch the combine,
Speaker 1: which I found very interesting. I feel like that's something
Speaker 1: that like we would do, and there's different strategy over
Speaker 1: where you're you know, you get your suite, and he
Speaker 1: was saying they got the thirty first pick this year,
Speaker 1: so he's actually right, he's in the JW. Marriott was
Speaker 1: his joke was his joke, and he was really like
Speaker 1: really upset about that. I don't know, I guess you
Speaker 1: would think it would be right on the fifty or
Speaker 1: or maybe at the end of the forty. He said
Speaker 1: he likes staying in the sweets because you can watch
Speaker 1: it on and for the listener. I mean we we
Speaker 1: we walked by a bunch of these suits were in
Speaker 1: one taping now and we walked by I think it
Speaker 1: was the Jet Suite. Beautiful pizzas, laid out, drinks, food.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a class act organization. They do everything
Speaker 1: right well, I think they all have food, but yet
Speaker 1: they also have good pizza though. I also asked him
Speaker 1: about Pearl Thomas, Uh, you know, whether they would give
Speaker 1: him an extension. There's been some trade rumors with him,
Speaker 1: and his answer to that was, well, a year ago
Speaker 1: at this time, everyone thought Earl Thomas was going to retire,
Speaker 1: and basically I think he was trying to make a
Speaker 1: joke and just say like, I don't really take what Earl.
Speaker 1: Thomas says that, seriously, that's just Earl being Earl. He's
Speaker 1: a little crazy. Oh are you like this? Stand up
Speaker 1: close and personal? Greg and I were with um less snead.
Speaker 1: The hair is real, the hair game is legital. It's
Speaker 1: always so. I mean, he's consistent even when the round
Speaker 1: the rams are bad and his job was tenuous, his
Speaker 1: job security was tenuous. The hair was always there. He
Speaker 1: always had the blazer in the smart outfit. He's got
Speaker 1: his act together, always has I He told the story
Speaker 1: about how he has a word document, which I use
Speaker 1: word documents still sometimes too, which I think David dates
Speaker 1: myself and less like I didn't go only old people
Speaker 1: do that at this point. But he has a word
Speaker 1: document of all the most important things that he needs
Speaker 1: to do, and at the top of it, in bold
Speaker 1: red letters, is remember this feeling. And he wrote that
Speaker 1: after they lost that playoff game, and he like, he
Speaker 1: likes to look at that each day. It's like something
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner would do in draft day. It's like something
Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick would do. If you talk negatively about his body,
Speaker 1: and he says, wow, white board, he almost gets he
Speaker 1: gets bored of one color, so he keeps changing the
Speaker 1: color around as I also get the sense from them
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to they're gonna franchise tag LaMarcus joint.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that at all, but I just think
Speaker 1: that they're going to value keep. They'd like to keep
Speaker 1: Joiner and Sammy Watkins, and they might be able to
Speaker 1: do that. They might be able to figure out a
Speaker 1: contract with Joiner before free agency, and then they could
Speaker 1: use the tag on walking dude less need offer any
Speaker 1: other insight on his his preferred computer applications. That was
Speaker 1: probably the extent of it, but that that was more
Speaker 1: than we got from other gm That's it. Well a
Speaker 1: non verbal answer, Well mark answer, I wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: didn't see. It's the Nexcel guy too. He likes the
Speaker 1: whole Microsoft suite. Um. Yeah, see, some people, you know,
Speaker 1: just pick and choose. Maybe he's just into all of them.
Speaker 1: It's really into power Point all right. So there you go.
Speaker 1: There are takeaways from day two of the pressors. There's
Speaker 1: some more guys talking on Friday, but since we're not
Speaker 1: going to be covering that on this podcast tomorrow, nothing
Speaker 1: will come out of it. We largely will ignore them. Yes,
Speaker 1: whether or not their news worthy will never be mentioned
Speaker 1: on this show. All right, Now moving on, moving on,
Speaker 1: we got again. We got Chase Goodbread coming up at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the show. But now let's spin around
Speaker 1: the league real quick and get caught up on some news.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let me tell you about my favorite pizza,
Speaker 1: my way ten bucks. Any pizza, Pizza Hut, Flacco's favorite.
Speaker 1: Check it out. Who was that, Lindsay, that was Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: I see it was Flacco. Um, Pizza Hut is now
Speaker 1: the official sponsor, the official pizza of the NFL, unseating
Speaker 1: Papa John's. Who. Uh you know things want sideways with
Speaker 1: Papa John's this year. Um, you can put it that way. Uh, West,
Speaker 1: you're a guy, you like pizza. Uh. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like we've upgraded? Uh? The National Football League is up?
Speaker 1: Careful here, West, Absolutely. Even before cancer, Papa John's was
Speaker 1: the one food I could not eat. Yeah, my body
Speaker 1: rejected it. Are we allowed to trash Papa John's now?
Speaker 1: I mean, let's that's fair told a true story. All right,
Speaker 1: let's do some news. We'll start with the Rams, since
Speaker 1: you know we were just talking about, um, the microfoft,
Speaker 1: Microsoft's uh suite package. Uh Tavon Austin, who two years
Speaker 1: ago got a big contract extension or three years ago
Speaker 1: wasn't summer of two thousand and sixty and a four year,
Speaker 1: forty two million dollar deal left a lot of people
Speaker 1: scratching their heads, including in this uh in this podcast group.
Speaker 1: After a couple of seasons where he just never has
Speaker 1: broken out, they've now made the decision that they will
Speaker 1: either trade or release the former number eight overall pick.
Speaker 1: This according to Mike Garret folo um Mark, Austin has
Speaker 1: been a gadget player essentially that they never found a
Speaker 1: way to make a real offensive stud. There were moments
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back to a a longer post that West
Speaker 1: wrote one time during I believe Austin's second season where
Speaker 1: he started especially a return man, to show these flashes
Speaker 1: where you thought the potential would be unleashed. One of
Speaker 1: the most fascinating, like when you when you study a
Speaker 1: few guys going into the draft, when we do, because
Speaker 1: it's not a billion he was one of the most
Speaker 1: interesting college players to watch that I can remember, because
Speaker 1: of all that he could do, and they really, the
Speaker 1: Rams thought so much of him and it never panned out.
Speaker 1: I wonder if another team will take a shot. But
Speaker 1: it's like it's essentially a draft bust Is that a
Speaker 1: bad player? But he You're right. There was a ton
Speaker 1: of hype around Austin going into that draft, and it
Speaker 1: looked like the Rams had themselves a major playmaker. It
Speaker 1: just never really happened. We used to kill Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 1: on this podcast when he was offensive coordinating the Rams
Speaker 1: for not knowing how to maximize Tavon Austin's unique skill set.
Speaker 1: And then a guy like Sean McVeigh, who is Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year and one of the best offensive minds
Speaker 1: in football. Tavon Austin I everage just three point six
Speaker 1: yards per catch under Sean McVeigh with only thirteen catches,
Speaker 1: no role in that offense. So I think once Sean
Speaker 1: McVeigh doesn't know how to do anything more than use
Speaker 1: you as a jet sweep fake to get Tug Gurley going,
Speaker 1: I wonder what his next move is or where he's
Speaker 1: going to turn his career. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: terrible return me and last year he lost his confidence,
Speaker 1: lost that job. He only played a couple of snaps.
Speaker 1: That's one of the worst contracts I believe in the
Speaker 1: last decade because I think the worst possible contract you
Speaker 1: can have is to give a second contract to a bust.
Speaker 1: It's when you can't self scout your own team. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one of the worst moves less Need has ever made.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he would agree with that. To give that
Speaker 1: much money to a guy that was already in your
Speaker 1: building for three or four years, it's a huge mistake
Speaker 1: because they're gonna have a lot of dead money on
Speaker 1: their cap. They're saving some money. It'll it'll free it
Speaker 1: up to spend. They have a lot of important free agents,
Speaker 1: so it's it's it's a no brainer move, but they're
Speaker 1: still gonna be paying for it. That's not hindsight either,
Speaker 1: that that signing that contract was lampooned by almost the
Speaker 1: entire football industry when it happened. It happened on hard
Speaker 1: knocks too, so it gave it even more. It was
Speaker 1: even more in the spotlight at the time. Moving on
Speaker 1: terror news out of Western New York. The statement a
Speaker 1: statement released by the Buffalo Bills. Jim Kelly his oral
Speaker 1: cancer that he uh fought and beat has now returned
Speaker 1: and he has to He's now gonna undergo treatment to
Speaker 1: to fight the cancer again. Obviously, cancer is something that
Speaker 1: uh with Chris here West here that the fight getting
Speaker 1: a front row seat with West and seeing how much
Speaker 1: you've been through West and how you've been so great
Speaker 1: and amazing during the process. Kelly, it was very public
Speaker 1: his his first fight, so you know that he has
Speaker 1: the fight in him. But it just shows you, Wes,
Speaker 1: and you know better than anyone, wait, how cruel cancer
Speaker 1: can be. Well immediately thought how heartbreaking it has to
Speaker 1: be for the people close to him who had to
Speaker 1: watch him go through that. And then you think about
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of was him being such
Speaker 1: a competitor. He's known as one of the toughest quarterbacks
Speaker 1: ever to play. Mentally and physically, that resolve he's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna need it, He's gonna need all of that,
Speaker 1: because it's one of my great fears that I would
Speaker 1: have to go through that again. And physically your body's ravaged,
Speaker 1: but just mentally, you know you have to gear up
Speaker 1: for that fight again. And I think it's natural to
Speaker 1: wonder do I really want to go through this? So
Speaker 1: I really do think being a competitor has to be
Speaker 1: a huge asset for him. He's such a unique person
Speaker 1: in the NFL landscape. If you think about it, just
Speaker 1: it's almost like he's his connection with the city of Buffalo,
Speaker 1: and I think that was as strong as possible before
Speaker 1: this all happened, and then after it happened, it's it's
Speaker 1: almost brought him into a different light and legacy than
Speaker 1: than he had beforehand. And even maybe part of it
Speaker 1: is losing those super rules instead of when there's there's
Speaker 1: something really unique just about Jim Kelly and his importance
Speaker 1: to that city. I think that that that you can't
Speaker 1: really replicate anywhere else, and I can only imagine what
Speaker 1: you've been through, West, But I do think think that
Speaker 1: the one good thing that came out of it, and
Speaker 1: it mirrors Jim Kelly the first time we went through this,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine the second time, is how much
Speaker 1: people have learned about you through what you've been through,
Speaker 1: but also learned just how strong you are. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like I can't imagine if it happened to me
Speaker 1: to to respond the way that you did, and Jim
Speaker 1: Kelly very much in the in the similar light. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I've used this word before. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: I get too much credit because you really don't have
Speaker 1: any choice but to be strong. That's what it forces
Speaker 1: out of you. You can either give up or you can't.
Speaker 1: And I think most people I know would choose to fight,
Speaker 1: so so I think I do get a little too
Speaker 1: much credit for that. But yeah, I think it does
Speaker 1: take some strength, especially on the mental front, just to
Speaker 1: go through that. Uh. So, best wishes to Jim Kelly
Speaker 1: uh and his family as they go through this UH situation.
Speaker 1: And finally in the news, you know, we we wanted
Speaker 1: to UH hit this on Monday and it just got
Speaker 1: away from us, missed it. So I want to make
Speaker 1: sure we get this because, as you know, Gino Smith
Speaker 1: uh is former Jets quarterback current he's heading back to
Speaker 1: the free agency market. Greg for a long time has
Speaker 1: said that Geno Smith can play well. I wonder if
Speaker 1: this changes your opinion at all. A tweet from Gino
Speaker 1: Smith uh, Greg, I've been studying this whole flat Earth
Speaker 1: versus globe thing, and I think I maybe with Kyrie
Speaker 1: that's Kyrie Irving of the Celtics on this. Before you judge,
Speaker 1: do some h W. I assume that means homework, But
Speaker 1: what do you guys think I think you're adult a
Speaker 1: a master words smith. Let's start there. Uh, Greg, does
Speaker 1: this shake your foundation of team Gino? No, I think
Speaker 1: he sees the the world in a unique way, like
Speaker 1: he sees the football field in a unique way. You
Speaker 1: can't you. I mean, look at Kyrie Irving, the other
Speaker 1: man who was mentioned in this tweet, a a singular talent.
Speaker 1: There's not really any other Kyrie everyone, There's not any
Speaker 1: other Geno Smiths. Why are you backing anti intellectual intellectualism
Speaker 1: on this show? I mean he's been doing it. It's
Speaker 1: this is all based on those four starts at the
Speaker 1: end of the two thousand fourteen season. You're still riding
Speaker 1: and die over that. I'm not really defending this um
Speaker 1: preposterous take. I did enjoy him going back and forth
Speaker 1: on Twitter with all these people with with all these people,
Speaker 1: including like guys that are in the military, and we're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, as part of you know, making our maps,
Speaker 1: like the you know, you need the earth to be
Speaker 1: curved or none of it would work and we wouldn't,
Speaker 1: you know, arrive in certain places. And it's just and
Speaker 1: Gino's like, well, you know, we can each have our disagreements,
Speaker 1: like we can need It's like no, it's a fact,
Speaker 1: it's science. It's like it's like no, we just see that.
Speaker 1: We'll have to agree to disagree. That's not allowed. That's
Speaker 1: not allowed to like, yeah, we'll disagree to disagree on that.
Speaker 1: About today, how do you have night and day without
Speaker 1: a globe? How do you have seasons without a globe?
Speaker 1: How is it that we can look at other planets
Speaker 1: from a telescope they all are shaped like a globe,
Speaker 1: and yet we would be the only planet that's flat.
Speaker 1: The only thing I could get behind is if everything
Speaker 1: is simply a computer simulation, and I would I go
Speaker 1: down that road potentially? This is absurd. I also think
Speaker 1: from a strategy angle, Geno Smith riddled with uh, you know,
Speaker 1: question marks and red flags of varying degrees. Why as
Speaker 1: you're about to hit free agency, meet with teams, try
Speaker 1: to convince them that you're you're a capable fill in
Speaker 1: at the most important position in sports? Are you getting
Speaker 1: into arguments about flat earth theory on Twitter with idiots?
Speaker 1: Why are you're getting your job broken in training camp
Speaker 1: before you're about to start the season as a quarter?
Speaker 1: Why are you rooting against the other quarterbacks on your
Speaker 1: own team on national television. You know, he did answer
Speaker 1: my tweet on it. I saw that, what do you say?
Speaker 1: I wrote, if it is flat, the lack of gravitational
Speaker 1: pool might explain all those interceptions you throw, and maybe
Speaker 1: you are onto something. And he replied, let's see here.
Speaker 1: He said, Lindsay, you tried it all, but no, try
Speaker 1: harder next time, pal. And then I replied to him
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, I had a pretty good reply.
Speaker 1: Let me fun it's coming from the guy who ignores
Speaker 1: science and tells other people to do homework. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: wasn't that was my reply. I said, Actually, buddy, it's science.
Speaker 1: What a food? What if you well, just to your
Speaker 1: point what you were saying. Another Twitter interaction, although won't
Speaker 1: match Lindsay's, a guy replied, we've seen pictures of Earth
Speaker 1: from the moon. Gino replies, in this day and age,
Speaker 1: with photoshop and everything, you trusting a picture any video footage?
Speaker 1: How about yes, there's a lot of video footage of
Speaker 1: the Earth from space. Well, not to mention, you know
Speaker 1: the hundreds of people that have seen Earth from space. Whatever,
Speaker 1: we are just one last thing. We are in a
Speaker 1: life or day death space race with Russia at the time,
Speaker 1: and they don't question anything about us landing on the moon.
Speaker 1: They don't question whether the Earth is flat or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Tina Smith is gonna take like
Speaker 1: photoshop technology to nineteen sixty nine. I guess it's Greg's boy. Well,
Speaker 1: I see it is incredible that you know, different people
Speaker 1: can view the same thing, like me and West when
Speaker 1: we view Gina Smith or Geno Smith in the rest
Speaker 1: of the world and you see those two things differently. Well, Greg,
Speaker 1: it's like you versus every other person when it comes
Speaker 1: to Gino Smith. I mean, he's he's getting jobs in
Speaker 1: the NFL last year, played pretty well against the race.
Speaker 1: What's happening in the news? Moving on, alright, we got
Speaker 1: another guest here at Indianapolis the NFL combine, Chase good
Speaker 1: Bread of College Football seven on NFL dot Com. He
Speaker 1: kills it every year. One of the best names in
Speaker 1: the game. I call him Carbs Chase good Red. What's
Speaker 1: up by that? It's clever, Carbs took It took almost
Speaker 1: five years for me to see the view from the
Speaker 1: top of this particular mountain. It's breath take. Yes, Chase,
Speaker 1: Chase is uh a real college stud in terms of analysis,
Speaker 1: used to cover Alabama. You're an Alabama native? You lived
Speaker 1: there today? Right? I do? Well, I'm native to Jacksonville, Florida,
Speaker 1: but I live in Tuscaloosa. Right, didn't move from six
Speaker 1: years of covering the team hired by the NFL. They
Speaker 1: said stay where you're at. I was great with that,
Speaker 1: and we have. We've had a faux Southerner and Chris
Speaker 1: Westling here for years, so now to have an actual
Speaker 1: Southern it feels good. Well, Jacksonville is only about two
Speaker 1: hours from Tybee Island, so I made my fair share
Speaker 1: of Jacksonville trip. This is weird kind of fake Southern accent.
Speaker 1: It's nice to hear a real one scanty accent. So
Speaker 1: Carbs got boots on the ground. Uh here with all
Speaker 1: the college prospects. Uh in town and uh. You've been
Speaker 1: writing a lot so far this week, Chase about the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: which everyone is fascinated by this quarterback class. What have
Speaker 1: been What's your kind of a big takeaway right now
Speaker 1: in terms of what are we dealing with here? Are
Speaker 1: we dealing with like a true special class or is
Speaker 1: it's still way too early to make any type of
Speaker 1: guests yeah, of course it's of course it's too early,
Speaker 1: but it's it's gonna be a cool watch. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at you mix guys like traditional quarterbacks like
Speaker 1: Donald and Rosen and Allen in with guys like Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. It's just gonna it's gonna make
Speaker 1: for a fun mix. Lamar Jackson is the most electric
Speaker 1: college football player there has been in years, and so
Speaker 1: it's um, I mean, he's he's he's just on another
Speaker 1: level every game he plays. He's the best athlete of
Speaker 1: all twenty two guys on the field. It feels like
Speaker 1: when they have talked about these quarterbacks, you here the
Speaker 1: big four, it's and it's it's Lamar Jackson's left outside
Speaker 1: of that conversation sometimes and people wondering if he's even
Speaker 1: a first rounder. I feel like we could see five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go in the top fifteen or sixteen picks number one.
Speaker 1: But what is the issue with Jackson? Why would some
Speaker 1: teams stay away? Well, accuracy is is one concern for sure,
Speaker 1: but but Josh Allen's got the same concern, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's not like Jackson is the only guy who
Speaker 1: that they're worried about. Is he gonna put the ball
Speaker 1: on the numbers often enough? But he's just he's might.
Speaker 1: To me, he's way better a college quarterback than Mike
Speaker 1: Vick was. Mike Vick went number one overall and carved him.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we had a big hiccup in the
Speaker 1: middle of it, but he carved himself out of fairly
Speaker 1: reasonably productive career at least when he was healthy and
Speaker 1: in his prime. And uh, Jackson's to me, he's beyond
Speaker 1: him as a college player. Does Jackson, do you have
Speaker 1: the highest upside of any of these guys? Then that's
Speaker 1: hard to say, uh, or ceiling because you know, Donald
Speaker 1: and Mayfield, all of Rosen, they've all got they can
Speaker 1: all make, especially Alan can make some throws hardly anybody
Speaker 1: can make. And that's the fascination with him. His numbers
Speaker 1: aren't great. Scouts don't look at numbers. Scouts look at tools,
Speaker 1: physical tools. But and that's why a guy like Alan
Speaker 1: can have a rough year like he had at Wyoming
Speaker 1: and still be considered a top guy because they're just
Speaker 1: looking just from a straight tool standpoint. He's got everything
Speaker 1: they want. You know, we're a couple of questions into this.
Speaker 1: We had asked Daniel Jeremiah to come on the show.
Speaker 1: He denied us, and he's sitting about twelve feet away.
Speaker 1: I think we're getting much better information, leaner information, professional information,
Speaker 1: certainly professional. Let's step up. So sometimes it's something seems
Speaker 1: like bad news, it turns out to be a great situation.
Speaker 1: That's what we got right now. It's been it's been
Speaker 1: whatever do Jay, It's been a blessing having Carves in
Speaker 1: my life. And I I got the blessing, the pleasure
Speaker 1: absolutely of eating lunch with with Carves today, and I
Speaker 1: found out one of the most distressed That's what you
Speaker 1: would have thought that I found out one of the
Speaker 1: most distressing items of information. I found out all week
Speaker 1: that he's on a diet where he Carves does not
Speaker 1: eat bread. What's true story. It almost sounds like he
Speaker 1: is living a bit right now. But it's like an
Speaker 1: acid trip, more like Chase no bread exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let us wrap for me for lunch today? Who gets
Speaker 1: to let us wrap it? Jimmy John's give me a bread.
Speaker 1: Not a very fulfilling lunch. It's been. I'm a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks into this and it's it's a grind you
Speaker 1: look good. It's good to have Chasey. I am fascinated
Speaker 1: ever since, way back in the day when everyone thought
Speaker 1: the Jets were gonna go own sixteen. I was way
Speaker 1: in on Sam Donald and all the talk about him.
Speaker 1: And now you hear some of the criticism that he's
Speaker 1: out a year early and he's too raw. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you in the camp that this is a guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna need a couple of years to get going
Speaker 1: or could he surprise people and hit the ground running
Speaker 1: next year. I think you could surprise people. You know,
Speaker 1: he's to meet. The turnovers is one of the issues
Speaker 1: with him. Uh, if you go back two years ago,
Speaker 1: his first year as a starter, he really didn't have
Speaker 1: much of a turnover bug and USC one their last
Speaker 1: I think nine games with him, we're running the show,
Speaker 1: maybe their last ten, close to it, and he ends
Speaker 1: up coughing the ball up a lot this past year.
Speaker 1: His hands, I guess measured adequately today nine and three aids,
Speaker 1: which is not too small but not huge either, So
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, maybe that'll alay some concerns. But
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy can The guy can make a
Speaker 1: lot of throws. He's durable. It looks like he's maybe
Speaker 1: shown a little more durability than than Rosen has, for instance,
Speaker 1: so he's got a lot going for him. Dorsey John Dorsey,
Speaker 1: the Browns general manager, said hand size is important to him,
Speaker 1: but he thought all of the top guys had hands
Speaker 1: plenty big enough for him, Uh, including Donald. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, Carson, how would you rank let's say,
Speaker 1: Donald and Rosen verse if you had to rank them
Speaker 1: with Mariota Winston, go and wentz as in terms of
Speaker 1: when they were coming out, like the level of prospects
Speaker 1: those Yeah, gosh, I would. I would after the after
Speaker 1: what Dan just said. I would hate to defer to
Speaker 1: DJ at this point, but don't close that door. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that I've talked to I lean. I talked
Speaker 1: to a handful of scouts and I lean on them
Speaker 1: for you know. I'm not I'm not an ex scout
Speaker 1: like DJ, but I talked to a handful in that
Speaker 1: in that community, and I I hear as much excitement
Speaker 1: about this quarterback class is is ones of the past
Speaker 1: Mariota Winston. You know the question on Mariota, remember was
Speaker 1: cann he translate from the Oregon offense and all that
Speaker 1: stuff it's happened. That question is starting to get tired
Speaker 1: because almost all the college quarterbacks now I've got a
Speaker 1: similar kind of tough transition. Some make it, some don't.
Speaker 1: But it's it's becoming like Ben Roethlisberger runs the spread.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'sn't shotgun eighty percent of the time. It's
Speaker 1: like a different differently to ask about that at a
Speaker 1: time when the Eagles bring us R P O as
Speaker 1: as a household name with Nick Foles winning the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Isn't all that stuff overblown? Can NFL coaches just use
Speaker 1: college concepts and mix them in with the pros. I
Speaker 1: think if you talk to some of the code you
Speaker 1: know Tom Cable, I think it's been outspoken about how
Speaker 1: players just aren't as ready anymore as they used to
Speaker 1: be coming out of Cruce Arians has been to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it depends, like I guess, on who you talk to
Speaker 1: and what you're talking about. I think Cable is Cable's
Speaker 1: offensive linemen are never particularly ready. In the last Tom
Speaker 1: Cable's suddenly hearing bills and whistles in his ear. But
Speaker 1: it's different for It's different for a lot of positions,
Speaker 1: you know, it's different for the lineman he's Washington State lineman.
Speaker 1: They run the ball at Washington State just for instance,
Speaker 1: so little that it's a it's a complete projection. What
Speaker 1: kind of run blocker that that bunch would be? They
Speaker 1: got a guard Cody O'Connell, who was who I saw
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl and St. Pete a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: practically the biggest player in college football, like some six
Speaker 1: six nine, and he did not get invited of the
Speaker 1: combine as it as it happened. Six nine and three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seventy pounds, just a huge But all
Speaker 1: he's ever really done there is pass block uh and
Speaker 1: he's a guard of all things at six nine. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just a matter of projection,
Speaker 1: and it's it's different. I know that you during the
Speaker 1: season you wrote a long form on Baker Mayfield. We
Speaker 1: can't get out of here without talking about him. What
Speaker 1: did you learn? Complicated guy, multifaceted guy. I think he's
Speaker 1: got a better head on his shoulders than he gets
Speaker 1: credit for. But it's his own fault that he's got
Speaker 1: the reputation he has. He's brought some of this criticism
Speaker 1: on himself. But I think he recognized. Is that? How
Speaker 1: do you mean, well, you know, he's he's Uh. The
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder makes him look like he's slouching.
Speaker 1: It's so heavy, you know, and he wears it everywhere
Speaker 1: in public and private. Sounds like a great quality for
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yeah, well a lot of people think that way,
Speaker 1: no doubt about What do you think about him as
Speaker 1: a player. I think he's gonna be a good player.
Speaker 1: He's he's not. I mean, yeah, he can improvise. The
Speaker 1: Manziel comparison to me is is garbage because Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: can sit in the pocket and hurt you. Uh, It's
Speaker 1: it's not hard for him. He does it. He did
Speaker 1: it a lot. We gotta let Chase get out of
Speaker 1: here because he's gonna go chack. I think it's been
Speaker 1: a great guest, But I do want to ask you
Speaker 1: about Barkley because I feel like, not since well, Zekelly
Speaker 1: got a lot of pub two. But you might have
Speaker 1: to go back to Reggie Bush to find a running
Speaker 1: back that's getting more glowing praise during this period, uh
Speaker 1: than Barkley? Is Is he worth the hype? And oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's phenomenal And to be two D and thirty three pounds.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's for a guy that quick who
Speaker 1: can make people miss that easily in the open field,
Speaker 1: Like he can make people miss in the open field,
Speaker 1: like he weighs two hundred pounds and he weighs two
Speaker 1: thirty three. I gotta wonder if he's gonna be playing
Speaker 1: right here at Lucas Oil Stadium potentially. Yeah, the Giants certainly,
Speaker 1: I mean, Gettleman, you'll it's hard to read these press conferences,
Speaker 1: but he certainly seems like he wanted to make people
Speaker 1: think he was taking or at least would strongly consider
Speaker 1: taking take playing the game. Greg don't know they need
Speaker 1: a quarterback. That's funny to me. Chase good Red Chase
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Speaker 1: jotting that down there. There you go next time you're on,
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little drive by truckers to oh that
Speaker 1: that'd be a fine on core performance. Off to the
Speaker 1: pressor he must go, uh and uh we must move
Speaker 1: on all right. Thank you again to Chase good Bread.
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Speaker 1: more ball as we get closer to free agency, which
Speaker 1: kicks off, by the way, March four, which is less
Speaker 1: than two weeks away or is it two weeks away
Speaker 1: from tonight? Right around the court, it was excited cousins
Speaker 1: to the Jets. It's happening. Don't count it out. We'll
Speaker 1: have some combine talk. You know we can. You can
Speaker 1: watch some underwear Olympics over the weekend. Dan on that
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. All right, let's go, let's get out
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