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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Greg Rosenthal and I'm joined by room
Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and about a
Speaker 1: little Patrick claib. Hey, Greg, weird show. You know, Dan
Speaker 1: called in sick. He's got a stomach virus. Who which
Speaker 1: is taking out the entire hands is family, So that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Colleen sometimes, uh you know, steps into the host chair.
Speaker 1: She's in Indianapolis covering the final day of the combine.
Speaker 1: So so we we four John, but we got a
Speaker 1: big addition with Claibonne in the house. There's a fair
Speaker 1: bit of wreckage, I think even with the you know,
Speaker 1: I got back an extra day late from the combine,
Speaker 1: stayed an extra night, volunteered my trip because there was
Speaker 1: simply no flight for me in the connecting city of Atlanta,
Speaker 1: so it made sense. Chat with Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: at about in the morning. Nearly missed my flight the
Speaker 1: next day because it was a five am wake up.
Speaker 1: But I will say the entire weekend, I just felt
Speaker 1: like I was in a total fog. And Dan was
Speaker 1: fighting that sickness for probably two and a half weeks,
Speaker 1: and I think it finally just came home to roost
Speaker 1: in full rottle fashion. Hope he gets better. It's tough
Speaker 1: to dodge, and it's something before you have a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear people talk about it. It's like, oh, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: my stomach is good. But he went down like two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and you know, I'm washing my hands, I'm
Speaker 1: keeping my head away. Your son Malcolm pronounce here, yes,
Speaker 1: Oh well, of course I have a child proof of
Speaker 1: sexual activity out there for me. But he um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he gets the stomach bug and I'm thinking, I'm great,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I've got this taken care of, and
Speaker 1: then like at midnight, it just hits you and you
Speaker 1: have no chance. So damn. I like that you view
Speaker 1: a child as proof of uh prowess in that world
Speaker 1: card carrying that, I mean, I think interesting. That reminds
Speaker 1: me of an old r g VP segment we used
Speaker 1: to have called they've had sex and basically whenever someone
Speaker 1: gets pregnant's proof positive. I would say, before cancer, I
Speaker 1: had a very strong anti missing work for sickness, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like is that a good enough excuse
Speaker 1: to miss work? But now that I not have a
Speaker 1: head cancer, and like, do not come in here and
Speaker 1: infect me with those terms. Yeah that's fair, So say home.
Speaker 1: So Dan is recovering. We're recovering from our trip to Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: which is not a place that you normally leave feeling
Speaker 1: better than when you arrive there, at least not for
Speaker 1: the combine. Well, just because you're the kind of a
Speaker 1: sneaky atomic bomb on Indiana. It's more on us. Because
Speaker 1: you have certain nights, like being out at one thirty
Speaker 1: in the morning and seeing the Jones family before taking
Speaker 1: a five am flight. No matter what that you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be feeling great after that. I know the Wesseling
Speaker 1: clan maybe woke up on Friday morning as it were.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were feeling because I had
Speaker 1: a I had a four thirty wake up call on Friday.
Speaker 1: I've ducked out about one one thirty maybe that night,
Speaker 1: but I think the Wesseling boys and you had four
Speaker 1: of your brothers there. Yeah, that guys were out late
Speaker 1: that night went really well for about six or seven hours,
Speaker 1: and I'll just leave it at that. I witnessed the
Speaker 1: positive side. I want to hear. I want to hear
Speaker 1: the rest of this, but none of it involved me,
Speaker 1: so I'm in the free and clear on that one dates.
Speaker 1: There was a late night incident that happened outside of
Speaker 1: the mix that I was involved in, maybe outside of
Speaker 1: Steak and Shake or something like that. No, it happened
Speaker 1: back at the Airbnb, okay, at which my brothers were
Speaker 1: all renting. We'll have to we'll have to hear about
Speaker 1: this after the show. They show. It was great to
Speaker 1: see them all. Yeah, and I had a few friends
Speaker 1: came in town to thank you for coming out. We
Speaker 1: had a blast, Mark, Connor, Patra, they were all involved.
Speaker 1: It was it was a good you were there for
Speaker 1: a little bit. It was a fun mix a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know, I was there at
Speaker 1: a one thirty in the more late Greg Knight. It
Speaker 1: was that some listeners join us. Very fun. So that's
Speaker 1: it with the combine. The on field drills did wrap
Speaker 1: up on Monday, the defensive backs, so we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: a little combine winners and losers later in the show.
Speaker 1: We've also got the return of one of America's favorite segments,
Speaker 1: trash Takes with Patrick Laibon. Not a fully fleshed out
Speaker 1: trash stakes, but we had one we wanted to throw
Speaker 1: out there, and then it turned out that both West
Speaker 1: and Mark have a trash stake they want to throw
Speaker 1: out each so it's a little different movement. But I
Speaker 1: like this format. So we'll wrap that the show up
Speaker 1: with app But before we do either of that, let's
Speaker 1: uh say hi to Lindsay Fulton and do a little news. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the news. What's up everybody? Man? I
Speaker 1: won't let you all know I got inviteto the NFL Combine.
Speaker 1: I thank you all for all y'all so poor. You know,
Speaker 1: the entire nations in Mihami and I couldn't do it
Speaker 1: without you. I'm gonna let you know something special comings
Speaker 1: soon and you're gonna see it. They invited the right
Speaker 1: ones to the NFL combine. I'm gonna show you. I
Speaker 1: got a lot to prove. A gift all that is
Speaker 1: the voice of Shakim Griffin. One of the big stories,
Speaker 1: probably the big story, I would say, of the NFL
Speaker 1: scouting combine. That's a little bit of a tease for
Speaker 1: when we really break down the college players and the
Speaker 1: winners and losers from all the on field stuff. He
Speaker 1: of course will be in the winners, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: start the news instead. With a big trade that happened
Speaker 1: just before the weekend, the Miami Dolphins sent a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick to Los Angeles with trade in Less Snead
Speaker 1: for Robert Quinn, the veteran defensive end the A couple
Speaker 1: of sixth round picks were also also exchanged in the deal.
Speaker 1: But Robert Quinn, who had one of the great pass
Speaker 1: rushing seasons of this decade back in St. Louis and
Speaker 1: got a huge contract off of that season. Is no
Speaker 1: longer a Ram West What do you think? It's that
Speaker 1: time of year. It's time for the Dolphins to make
Speaker 1: news for chasing names that are bigger than their games.
Speaker 1: They do it every March. It happens, you know, like
Speaker 1: the salmon returning to Capistrano. Fins just go chasing names. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean it's the first thing I thought too. This
Speaker 1: is the Miami Dolphins time of year. If it was
Speaker 1: any other team, I might give him a benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt and say, maybe Robert Quinn is due for
Speaker 1: a bounce back year. But it's been about four years
Speaker 1: that we've been counting on a bounce back year, and
Speaker 1: who knows how much the back problems have really just
Speaker 1: made him a different player. How do you like him?
Speaker 1: That cast a character those with Cameron Wake, the Dominican Sue.
Speaker 1: Nice guy to add to that little mix. He gets
Speaker 1: the benefit of playing with Donald last year. And I
Speaker 1: think the number was eight and a half sacks. Um
Speaker 1: Ian said he was still owed about twenty two and
Speaker 1: a half million dollars and actually the Rams wanted to
Speaker 1: ship him to Ksey as a part of the Peters trade,
Speaker 1: but Casey wasn't interested in that. They chose to go
Speaker 1: with picks instead. So you're just wondering, as as West said,
Speaker 1: you know what's really there? What do they What do
Speaker 1: the Rams know that the Dolphins presumably do not know. Well,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a difference maker as a starter last year.
Speaker 1: The difference was he stayed healthy. He was really hurt
Speaker 1: the two years before that, and he stayed healthy, played
Speaker 1: all seventeen games for them, played a lot of snapps.
Speaker 1: I watched them really closely because he was I've always
Speaker 1: been a fan of Robert Quinn because I feel like
Speaker 1: that season that he had it was almost like lost
Speaker 1: to history because he was on a kind of a
Speaker 1: dead Rams team and it was I thought, after that,
Speaker 1: here's one of the best defensive players in the NFL.
Speaker 1: For the rest of the decade. He's gonna be that
Speaker 1: kind of guy because he was such a special pass
Speaker 1: rusher and he's never been able to stay totally healthier
Speaker 1: backup that season. I've always watched him closely. I watched
Speaker 1: him a lot this year, and he just he made
Speaker 1: a few plays, but I don't and I snapped the
Speaker 1: snap basis. I don't think he was really helping them
Speaker 1: out that it sounds like the Bucks and Browns almost
Speaker 1: chased after him as well. But how do you if
Speaker 1: you're one of these other teams, you're the Browns, you
Speaker 1: have a hundred and forty two draft picks, how do
Speaker 1: you not top with Miami offered if he really wanted this,
Speaker 1: Look at fourth five they've missed. Maybe your evaluation is
Speaker 1: that he's not worth them. I mean people must feel
Speaker 1: the same way that there were worth round pick is
Speaker 1: not much. There were stretches last year where guys like
Speaker 1: Matt Longacre were more dis eruptive then Robert Quinn on
Speaker 1: that Rams defense, Yeah, I I mean a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick to me, that seemed about fair for the chance
Speaker 1: he's Look, he's still just turning twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: and maybe there is a chance that he another year
Speaker 1: healthy and removed from that back surgery that he kind
Speaker 1: of dials it up a notch. I didn't think it
Speaker 1: would have been crazy for the Rams to keep him,
Speaker 1: But you owe him more than ten and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars, and it makes you wonder. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: big names and Dominican Sue Cameron Wake. They're paying Andre
Speaker 1: branch I think nine million dollars a year. If all
Speaker 1: of these guys are whenever you can do that, you
Speaker 1: must are all these guys even gonna be on the team.
Speaker 1: You know, in a week, I think we saw at
Speaker 1: least from the Eagles that there is a value in
Speaker 1: investing in the known versus the unknown, and and so
Speaker 1: that that does come into premium. But again, well, what's
Speaker 1: the number, you know, like, what's what's the value that
Speaker 1: they're really getting out of Robert Quinn? And the Rams
Speaker 1: had to dump some salary so that they can pay
Speaker 1: LaMarcus Joyner, potentially pay Sammy Watkins get active in free agency.
Speaker 1: They also got rid of Tavon Austin, so they're clearing
Speaker 1: the decks eleven million dollars off the books for them.
Speaker 1: And you have to wonder if Jarvis Landry is coming
Speaker 1: off the books for the Dolphins. He reportedly is going
Speaker 1: to sign his franchise tag, and there are a quartet
Speaker 1: of teams chasing Jarvis Landry. So I feel like by
Speaker 1: this time next week we're taping this on a Monday,
Speaker 1: rather in two weeks time, that he's probably not on
Speaker 1: the Dolphins in two weeks. Yeah, our initial instincts were
Speaker 1: correct on that one. The Dolphins tagged him to trade
Speaker 1: him and they have the other part of those news
Speaker 1: is they've already given him permission to seek a trade. Uh.
Speaker 1: It looks like the Bears are are heavy into him,
Speaker 1: the Ravens, the Titans, I think the Browns have been mentioned.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him with the Bears. That makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. The Ravens were interested in the
Speaker 1: last season, so that would make two off seasons in
Speaker 1: a row where there there's some sort of pursuit out
Speaker 1: of Baltimore for him. I I just I think when
Speaker 1: you look at the Bears, they have an absolute ton
Speaker 1: of cap room, so that makes they need to surround
Speaker 1: Mr Robiski with weapons. That was a consistent theme for
Speaker 1: them the combine, So I can see that happening. And
Speaker 1: if it's Chicago, you wonder what they're gonna do to
Speaker 1: augment Jarvis Landry if he's there, because there's they're still
Speaker 1: gonna need a guy to be out wide. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: gonna take the top off of defense. Is Jarvis isn't
Speaker 1: gonna be that guy. But as far as tagging and trading,
Speaker 1: you go back Matt Castle fun Trivia, the last guy
Speaker 1: to be tagged and then traded back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine along with the Tennessee Titans current head coach.
Speaker 1: It's been so long since, it's how Yeah, Mike Rabo
Speaker 1: went over to Kansas City in that movie, forgot about following. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's crazy that they got basically the same for Matt
Speaker 1: Castle that they did for Jimmy Garoppolo. That's very concerning.
Speaker 1: It's a little problematic. So we think Jarvis Landry is
Speaker 1: moving on. I expected because they're over the cap right
Speaker 1: now by eight million dollars and and that's not even
Speaker 1: counting to the eleven that Robert Quinn is gonna cost him,
Speaker 1: So that puts some nineteen over that they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to move Landry. I believe by Mark sixteenth that would
Speaker 1: one note that the Ravens right now have about nine
Speaker 1: point six million in capram So if you're gonna pull
Speaker 1: a deal like this, you're gonna have to move other people,
Speaker 1: restructure people. Yeah, they we still haven't seen the big
Speaker 1: wave of cuts, so that's going to happen throughout this
Speaker 1: week and and really hit over the weekend and early
Speaker 1: part of next week. I believe Monday, we're doing a
Speaker 1: little free agency frenzy on the NFL network. Are you
Speaker 1: hosting that at all? The early halves? And then Andrew
Speaker 1: comes in in full production. But you know, my little
Speaker 1: ragtire crew, Now you're like, you're like the starting, You're
Speaker 1: like the starter, and he's the closest. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: try to get three innings out of me before we
Speaker 1: move on from the Dolphins. A lot of Dolphin news.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of reports that the Dolphins, including from Peter King, are
Speaker 1: in on quarterbacks in this draft, and people would almost
Speaker 1: be surprised if they don't take one with that number
Speaker 1: eleven pick, or if they trade up to take a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield a while back tweeted something about come get
Speaker 1: me Dolphins, and I think I could see why a
Speaker 1: quarterback would want to play in the city of Miami
Speaker 1: in general. Uh the but that's the name that they've
Speaker 1: There's been a continued sort of whispering around the idea
Speaker 1: that the Dolphins and Baker Mayfield could be a match
Speaker 1: on some level there at number eleven. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's going to be there at number eleven. You
Speaker 1: may have to find a way to orchestrate a trade.
Speaker 1: I could see four quarterbacks. I think we came out
Speaker 1: of Indianapolis feeling like, for for better or worse, four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks could go in the top seven spots, leaving some
Speaker 1: incredible other players there in the middle of the first round.
Speaker 1: I think, outside of Greg, this podcast has been very
Speaker 1: reluctant to place Ryan Tannehill on the right side of
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale that we've always doubted shots fired. I mean,
Speaker 1: give me a break, you know he's right there. I
Speaker 1: think that we've been criticized for it that a lot
Speaker 1: of people complain that we don't respect Ryan Tannehill enough.
Speaker 1: And it says here that if the Dolphins are in
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks, then they've soured on a guy who hasn't
Speaker 1: been on the field. And about twenty of twenty months,
Speaker 1: it's just Adam Gaze has spent all offseason saying not
Speaker 1: on question about it Ryan Dannahill, except that also could
Speaker 1: mean Ryan Tannehill is your starter next season, but you're
Speaker 1: not looking at him as the four or five year answer.
Speaker 1: And and that would be pretty telling because if if
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill is a bridge, like where is he a
Speaker 1: bridge too? And so remember that book at the bridge
Speaker 1: to whatever they've been doing the last four years, which
Speaker 1: is just they're just that middle they are. They are
Speaker 1: kind of the Dalton scale of teams, the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 1: they are. They might be the most boring organization in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But the way it breaks down, you're you're
Speaker 1: looking at the way that the top ten works. If
Speaker 1: they want just any guy like then that's really saying
Speaker 1: something about Ryan Tannehill, right, if it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: if it's one of these four guys, or maybe we
Speaker 1: go try to get back seven picks and take Lamar, Like,
Speaker 1: how do they really feel? Well on what Adam Gates
Speaker 1: is saying, as you said, Mark, it's it's probably not
Speaker 1: a bright idea to go tell everyone that you're in
Speaker 1: love with Baker Mayfield. If that's the guy you want exactly,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a run on quarterbacks obviously. I just
Speaker 1: they're gonna be stuck having to pay a lot. I
Speaker 1: will say this, if you are the Dolphins and you're
Speaker 1: boring according to you, and I don't disagree. Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: would change that energy a little bit. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how much to trust all the draft information that
Speaker 1: comes out this time of year, probably not that much.
Speaker 1: But when it comes from NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport,
Speaker 1: who joined us for a fun segment of live rap
Speaker 1: sheet rumors. If you haven't checked out our podcast, uh
Speaker 1: from the combine? Now, are half those rumors even still
Speaker 1: in play at this point? Still count well? He had
Speaker 1: another one on Monday or on Sunday rather that he
Speaker 1: believes se Kwon Barkley is in the mix for the
Speaker 1: Browns at the number one overall pick. And there's been
Speaker 1: some reports out there that even went a little further
Speaker 1: than that that probably basically said they thought that Barkley
Speaker 1: was the favorite for that pick. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this combine certainly seem you've got a lot of coaches
Speaker 1: that when you say, hey, what do you think of
Speaker 1: this player from you know, Iowa State or whatever, that
Speaker 1: just like I have not watched tape of anyone yet,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't ask me those questions. So they're
Speaker 1: just beginning, and then you go to the combine and
Speaker 1: what happens. I think it's everyone gets overvalued or undervalued
Speaker 1: because it's a workout, and Barkley blew his out of
Speaker 1: the sky. We'll talk about it later. But you could
Speaker 1: one team came out with a perfect grade on Barkley
Speaker 1: and it's a some of that team had done I
Speaker 1: think four times in twenty years, So I mean it's
Speaker 1: not shocking the with the number one pick, you'd potentially
Speaker 1: be interested in the best player in college football. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think when you look at his tape and then
Speaker 1: his combine, of course you're going to consider him. He
Speaker 1: might be the best talent in the draft. But you
Speaker 1: also look at the Giants and Culture drafting right behind
Speaker 1: you at number one, and they both have massive holes
Speaker 1: at running back. So it behooves you to say you're
Speaker 1: interested there. You know, keep all the options on the
Speaker 1: table at number one, and then you're back there at
Speaker 1: number four. So my question to a Browns person who's
Speaker 1: thinking this way, if you're not at four, are you
Speaker 1: still thinking, say Kwan at one, Like, if you don't
Speaker 1: have that opportunity, I don't get back in there. And
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then how are you really I
Speaker 1: think they're clearly going to chase after a veteran because
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to go in with the
Speaker 1: pressure of a rookie playing in Week one. But if
Speaker 1: all they had was number one and then the thirty
Speaker 1: third pick. I think you would be putting yourself in
Speaker 1: a pr mega disaster to pass on the quarterback for
Speaker 1: the eighteenth year in a row. But but it would
Speaker 1: on some level in Barkley, by all accounts, is deserved
Speaker 1: of this kind of hype. It hasn't less to do
Speaker 1: with just blowing up the combine and more just his
Speaker 1: his tape and you can see it. He looks like
Speaker 1: a like a I don't know, a rich man's David Johnson.
Speaker 1: I mean that that would be an incredible NFL career,
Speaker 1: but kind of it kind of reminds you of that
Speaker 1: and why not consider take that guy? But also, if
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback, you clearly will have a preference
Speaker 1: for which quarterbacks. Kind of insane not to take that
Speaker 1: guy one, because whoever it is, you have to then
Speaker 1: be willing to live with the fact that he could
Speaker 1: get taken, that a team could trade up or or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and that just we've been there before.
Speaker 1: NFL scouts and gms have opinions on everything, like they're
Speaker 1: not going to have an opinion on who they want
Speaker 1: at number one. But then I don't believe that for
Speaker 1: a minute. Uh, and you you mentioned Cessler that the
Speaker 1: Browns are likely to get a veteran at you know,
Speaker 1: to pair with this rookie. I really wanted to ask
Speaker 1: John Dorsey, by the way, about Deshaun Kaiser, because I
Speaker 1: didn't hear his name. I don't know if he'd answer
Speaker 1: you after you called to me a nineties science teacher
Speaker 1: on our last show. I mean, that's not a that's
Speaker 1: not an insult. I mean, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a it's somewhere in between insult
Speaker 1: and compliment. I don't know if it's I don't know where.
Speaker 1: I like, how are science teachers from the eight is
Speaker 1: supposed to feel about it? Well? I think m ben
Speaker 1: Stein and Ferris Bueller's day off, he's doing fine. I
Speaker 1: can actually trash out, Oh yeah, that's true. I forgot
Speaker 1: about that. Uh what what are the reports out here? Mark?
Speaker 1: Was that was that the Browns want a J. McCarron,
Speaker 1: that huge J Hugh Jackson. That's his preference is to
Speaker 1: a J. McCarron as the as the veteran. This is
Speaker 1: from the mm QBS, Peter King. I mean we heard
Speaker 1: that out at the pubs and restaurants. Like within five
Speaker 1: hours of being in Indianapolis, and Peter King used the
Speaker 1: words that the team is exceedingly interested in signing him.
Speaker 1: I think it's a olive branch to Hugh Jackson that says,
Speaker 1: we're largely going to control everything that happens from here
Speaker 1: on out. But if we can get a J. McCarron
Speaker 1: at a relatively decent price, because we're not gonna pay
Speaker 1: for cousins, we're not gonna go give Case Keenum something
Speaker 1: like they're in the mix for Keenum though, which I
Speaker 1: mean I sends to me because I think he's kind
Speaker 1: of that lower that maybe at the right price, they'd
Speaker 1: be like, all right Keena first again though, like it's
Speaker 1: bridging to the last question, how do you sell the
Speaker 1: fan base on any lower tier veteran? As your answer,
Speaker 1: it must be a one year patch or otherwise there'll
Speaker 1: be an up. They're gonna have a rookie with McCarron,
Speaker 1: And in that scenario, that sounds fine to me. In fact,
Speaker 1: I kind of like it if you don't have to
Speaker 1: pay him much, because it doesn't make much sense to
Speaker 1: pay Case Keenum six seen or seventeen million dollars just
Speaker 1: you know, for a year. Maybe Adrian McCarron is not
Speaker 1: gonna cost that much. That's kind of what I would
Speaker 1: How do you sell the fan base on a bridge anyway,
Speaker 1: it's just oh yeah, this is one of your things
Speaker 1: that's on your radar. Bridge quarterbacks. You know, the whole
Speaker 1: concept is starting about well, I mean, it's it's all
Speaker 1: about excitement, right and in generating buzz and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I want to go buy a jersey. I want to go.
Speaker 1: And if the idea coming in is we drafted this guy,
Speaker 1: but this guy is gonna play, well, is he playing
Speaker 1: because the other guy is not good enough? And and
Speaker 1: when do you make that switch? I don't think Hugh
Speaker 1: Jackson deserves this so called olive branch. I'll just say
Speaker 1: this at all. I'll just say this. He spent every
Speaker 1: essentially every one of his his coaching starts with the
Speaker 1: Browns with rookie quarterbacks. I think he just desperately wants
Speaker 1: something different. He's gonna need that branch to take him
Speaker 1: out of the lake. When he still jumps into it,
Speaker 1: you're going I love this idea of the A J.
Speaker 1: McCarron one year bridge, So Hugh Jason could be hoisted
Speaker 1: on his own petard and fired when A J. McCarron
Speaker 1: leads them to a two and fourteen see reason as
Speaker 1: their quarterback, Well, Hugh Jackson gives John Dorsey an excellent scapegoat.
Speaker 1: When everything inevitably crashes into itself, it seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of scapegoats are leaning on each other. It's like
Speaker 1: a house of scapegoats. Bunsen Burner bloats. Our tier goats
Speaker 1: do tend to climb up on the roofs and stuff. So, uh, scapegoat,
Speaker 1: so's gonna have to photoshop that one. The etymology of
Speaker 1: scapegoats already know what that is? What is it from
Speaker 1: the old biblical times when you know when the whole
Speaker 1: village would have a problem, they would put it on
Speaker 1: a goat instead of a person and run that goat
Speaker 1: out of town. Really yeah, they would put they would like,
Speaker 1: put it on a cursed goat, run that goat out
Speaker 1: of town, kind of like sending pigs off the cliff.
Speaker 1: It's like you said, you don't have to kill a
Speaker 1: human in retaliation for something. You just put all the
Speaker 1: sins on a goat. Save it for the boical etymology
Speaker 1: podcast College Bombs. I was thinking scape had something to do.
Speaker 1: I like when people say skate what how do the
Speaker 1: people an escapegoat? Yeah, an escapegoat that's wanted to do,
Speaker 1: but then they got set on fire or whatever. So,
Speaker 1: but Karen almost got traded last year to the Browns.
Speaker 1: One guy who could get traded this offseason is Michael Bennett.
Speaker 1: I had some run ins uh with our fearless host
Speaker 1: of this podcast, Dan Hans is back in the locker
Speaker 1: room after losing the Super Bowl. Not not Michael Bennett's
Speaker 1: finest day, he uns with a few people. He has
Speaker 1: also been one of the most versatile and maybe underrated,
Speaker 1: although I feel by the end of his career now
Speaker 1: people properly rate Michael Bennett and and recognize what a
Speaker 1: great player he's been. The Seahawks might not be able
Speaker 1: to afford him anymore, and so he is reportedly on
Speaker 1: the trade box. Multiple teams are in on Michael Bennett,
Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Falcons is one that ESPN dot Coms
Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Nation Reporter throughout there as getting in the
Speaker 1: mix for Michael Bennett. That makes sense with the Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn connection, he can still play. Michael Bennett. His pass
Speaker 1: rushing numbers were better than last year than they were
Speaker 1: the year before. Uh. That said, he's turning thirty three
Speaker 1: during the seasons. But to me, doesn't he make more
Speaker 1: sense on the Falcons now because I think the Falcons
Speaker 1: have a much better roster than the Seahawks. I think
Speaker 1: it's like when you're trying to figure out what the
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett experience is all about. Like Dan Quinn, any
Speaker 1: former coach makes sense because you've been there, you dealt
Speaker 1: with the player you know. Uh is it Chris Rashardon
Speaker 1: Dallas is another guy who might be out there. They
Speaker 1: could always use some pass rushing help. I find it
Speaker 1: interested in Seattle would be ready to give up on him.
Speaker 1: He's I read this one or not? Like it's one
Speaker 1: point five million is his salary of the season. That's
Speaker 1: his base salary. He does have h just put it up.
Speaker 1: I obviously would not have known this a four million
Speaker 1: dollar roster bonus. Don't say it. Just just act like
Speaker 1: he has a four million dollar roster bonus. So that's
Speaker 1: a total of five point six million. Maybe there's some
Speaker 1: other bonus money in there, but that's that's certainly not crazy.
Speaker 1: But the Seahawks, I think they're ready to kind of
Speaker 1: push the button and start over, and they have salary
Speaker 1: cap issues and I think they want to get aggressive,
Speaker 1: maybe signing uh some new players to their team. And
Speaker 1: one really telling quote that stuck with me from last
Speaker 1: week was talking to Pete Carroll and hearing him getting
Speaker 1: asked questions about changing his coaching staff, and he was
Speaker 1: just he just said I thought it was time. He I.
Speaker 1: He's like, I thought it was time. I need to
Speaker 1: be He said he needed to be challenged more that
Speaker 1: he's looking forward to the challenge. He wants some new
Speaker 1: coaches and I kind of fill in the blank, maybe
Speaker 1: new players that challenge him. He said he likes the
Speaker 1: challenge almost of not starting over, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a different era of Seahawks football camp. Chancellor might be gone,
Speaker 1: Cliff Avril might be gone, and maybe their thought is
Speaker 1: why keep Michael Bennett one more year? We need some
Speaker 1: extra cap space, Let's let's send him away. I guess
Speaker 1: the argument would be because he can still contribute the NFL,
Speaker 1: and you understand you want to make some changes, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if that defense is something that you
Speaker 1: want to give up on right now. Yeah, be careful
Speaker 1: of these house cleaning sometimes because sometimes the head coach
Speaker 1: can be the last element and can come in late December.
Speaker 1: It's something that I think there they would have to
Speaker 1: be on the same page though, that John Schneider and
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll are kind of in this together, and I
Speaker 1: think they always have been really in lockstep. And Bennett
Speaker 1: was injured and he is turning thirty three, so it's
Speaker 1: he's not he's not without a risk on the on
Speaker 1: the falcon side watching that. After watching the game against
Speaker 1: the Eagles, I had to go back and ask research
Speaker 1: if Vic Beasley actually played in that game. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: he play all year? He played like twenty snaps a
Speaker 1: year and twenty snaps the game and was kind of
Speaker 1: playing a linebacker. They said, by the way, they're going
Speaker 1: to move him back. They moved they changed his position
Speaker 1: every year, moving back to the the defensive vent. But they
Speaker 1: have a lot of guys on that team that are
Speaker 1: just kind of taking up space. Derek Shelby think they
Speaker 1: cut Derek. It would be often to be it would
Speaker 1: be terrible to be described that way. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: a lot in one's career just probably pretty well. I
Speaker 1: guess a lot of guys who are making kind of
Speaker 1: Michael bennettich money that maybe aren't as good as Michael Bennett.
Speaker 1: The minimum descriptor for human alive or dead. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Occupies. It's taken up space. Uh, this this
Speaker 1: news segments taken up space. I think I gotta pick
Speaker 1: up the pace that we want with hands is not here.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Eagles, where a couple of
Speaker 1: stories came out over the weekend. One was from UH
Speaker 1: Jeff Master, who has covered this team for a long time,
Speaker 1: and reported an a f C team offered a second
Speaker 1: round pick for Nick Foles. And the other story was
Speaker 1: that Vinny Curry UH could be cut. Initially it looked
Speaker 1: like he was going to be cut. That was from
Speaker 1: ur Ian Rappaport. Now they might try to restructure the
Speaker 1: deal or potentially trade him. But two different stories there
Speaker 1: and and the it sounds like the Fols price tag
Speaker 1: is going to be very high if a team really
Speaker 1: wanted well. ESPN Chris mortens Fro from ESPN, after we
Speaker 1: kind of drummed up our our segments for this news thing,
Speaker 1: reported that the Eagles are seeking more than the first
Speaker 1: and fourth round pick level they sought for Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: in exchange for Nick Foles. So I does not sound
Speaker 1: two things. It sounds like, hey, we don't want to
Speaker 1: we don't want to at him go and be we
Speaker 1: want to make sure that Carson Wentz is actually ready
Speaker 1: to roll because there's been a couple concerning reports about
Speaker 1: the level of the knee injury that when suffered. How
Speaker 1: do you know right now that if you get like
Speaker 1: Nick Foles, go that Wentz will be they're ready to
Speaker 1: go week one. And see they kind of want they
Speaker 1: might want people to know about how how much it
Speaker 1: would cost to get Nick Foles because these reports don't
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. But I mean, so that makes
Speaker 1: me think that like, okay, we're not just gonna trade
Speaker 1: Nick Foles. They really do value him, and why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they He just won them a super Bowl. But they
Speaker 1: also don't mind maybe hearing, you know, telling other teams, hey,
Speaker 1: you give us a first and and a fourth, we'll
Speaker 1: think about what's this a f C team that offered
Speaker 1: a second That to me sounds substance to have a
Speaker 1: couple of seconds. But again, you're giving away a second
Speaker 1: for Nick Foles and you're also pursuing a g mccaren.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't really pass the test. A fulls trade
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for any side except Nick's side. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because any team lacking the coaching acumen
Speaker 1: and surrounding town of Philadelphia will be giving up way
Speaker 1: too much for what he's worth. Describes a lot of teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make Why would you be give basically
Speaker 1: like every team. Yeah, so you'd be giving up more
Speaker 1: than he's worth to the Eagles to come play on
Speaker 1: your team, and a guy that who would be a
Speaker 1: stock pack quarterback and you bench him after eight games.
Speaker 1: Too many other options out there. I don't know why
Speaker 1: you'd ever give up a massive amount of pick. You're
Speaker 1: not buying the Nick Folls career resurgence, and he could
Speaker 1: take your team to the I sat there and so
Speaker 1: the Eagles were dead, just like plenty of people did.
Speaker 1: So Obviously, anything can happen. That's why they play the games.
Speaker 1: But as to what I want my team, if I
Speaker 1: had a team, hypothetical team that I'm a fan of,
Speaker 1: uh real. You try to keep it under ground, but
Speaker 1: I've been doing some insider reporting. I know you don't
Speaker 1: like front in the hallway and you don't like putting
Speaker 1: it out there. He grew up a Cowboys fan, those
Speaker 1: colors that it takes a long time to give that up.
Speaker 1: I went to college with DeMarcus. He was a really
Speaker 1: nice guy. Uh he got drafted by Bill Parcels and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed his success. So now so you're now your
Speaker 1: your stance as you've moved on because DeMarcus where has
Speaker 1: moved on? Moved on because there's some corroborating evidence here,
Speaker 1: all right. Patrick has had a more vigorous take on J. J.
Speaker 1: Wilcox than any non Cowboys fancy exactly kind of like
Speaker 1: kind of like West. For even though he says he
Speaker 1: has no feelings towards the Bengals whatsoever, he followed them
Speaker 1: closer because his family does. It's not even true he
Speaker 1: has And now well you've got Wilcox hot takes. Well.
Speaker 1: I got roped into another segment of Cowboys defense because
Speaker 1: people used to say it was constant twitter Tony Romo,
Speaker 1: this Tony Romo, that as Tony Romo was the worst
Speaker 1: football player who had ever played the game until I
Speaker 1: would constantly put on my cape defending Tony Romo. And
Speaker 1: because of that, watching the other team breeze past the
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense as though he had a file. I like
Speaker 1: Greg opening that comment with attempting to call that breaking
Speaker 1: news that we simply know what team our friend roots for.
Speaker 1: In the opposite, well, he tries to keep he tries
Speaker 1: to get into wraps. He's an NFL network personality, tries
Speaker 1: to hide it, and I'm I'm here. I'm all about
Speaker 1: truth if somebody's really a fan of a team. I
Speaker 1: watched the Oscars and they told me that it's all
Speaker 1: about truth in too from let them. Uh another big
Speaker 1: truth today we learned Antonio Crimarti is retiring. I thought
Speaker 1: we should mention this. He's had a very notable NFL career.
Speaker 1: He announced it on Instagram. Mark, what will you remember
Speaker 1: most about the Antonio Crimarti NFL career? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: probably because so much of I mean, there's so much
Speaker 1: hype around certain storylines of these quirky the quirky aspects
Speaker 1: of these players. I'll just remember that he had like
Speaker 1: a hundred and six children. Couldn't remember them. Also, another
Speaker 1: I have a memory of a time when the Jets
Speaker 1: played the Broncos on Thursday Night Football, when the Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow Parade was at its height, and there was a
Speaker 1: play where Tim Tebow with the Jets sort of season,
Speaker 1: kind of hanging on the on the cusp, Tim Tebow
Speaker 1: soaring towards the end zone for a game deciding or
Speaker 1: altering score, and Antonio Cromarti dodging to get out of
Speaker 1: the way and not have to deal with Tim Tebow
Speaker 1: head on running full steam towards theater. I'm sure someone
Speaker 1: I'm sure if Dan were here, he would see him
Speaker 1: as a much different place. I watched that game with Dan.
Speaker 1: I know he remembers it too. I have some very
Speaker 1: specific memories from early in his career when the Chargers
Speaker 1: were going deep into the playoffs and talking to my
Speaker 1: boy spice Rack about him. Spice Rack with He would
Speaker 1: text me during Chargers game and say, this guy is
Speaker 1: one of the most naturally gifted players I've ever seen
Speaker 1: on a football field, and rave about his leaping ability,
Speaker 1: body control, hands, that he should be playing wide receiver
Speaker 1: not defensive back, that he's so naturally talented, and that
Speaker 1: second year in the league he's just a part time starter.
Speaker 1: And I think he led the league with ten interstity
Speaker 1: did he let tick? He was including three against Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: I believe on Monday Night football to be that I
Speaker 1: could easily check this, but it was kind of the
Speaker 1: Antonio Crimarti game where just people are going nuts. And
Speaker 1: he he had a couple of seasons like that throughout
Speaker 1: his career, including one of his Jet seasons where for
Speaker 1: one season he was just a shut down, unstoppable guy,
Speaker 1: made four Pro Bowls, made a first team All Pro.
Speaker 1: And to do all that when you're not known for
Speaker 1: your work ethic or your technique is pretty pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: I'll go positive as well. Guy that played limited He
Speaker 1: had an a c L and I believe a couple
Speaker 1: of other injuries at Florida State, and so when the
Speaker 1: Chargers drafted him, it was it was almost like, what
Speaker 1: like this guy? You know, there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: tape out on him. And Miles said he he came in,
Speaker 1: uh played in the NFL for ten years. In that book,
Speaker 1: in that Colligion Low Crossers Jets chronicling book that we've
Speaker 1: discussed probably a hundred twenty seven times on this on
Speaker 1: this show, he is one of the top three most intriguing,
Speaker 1: bizarre and enigmatic people because I think from whoever the
Speaker 1: coach was or only certain coaches were really allowed to
Speaker 1: communicate with him and impact him. He just seemed like
Speaker 1: a total a character off the field in every possible way.
Speaker 1: I vaguely recalled those coaches being hot on him one minute,
Speaker 1: cooled on in the next, and then an endless cycle
Speaker 1: of just whether we like chrome, whether we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: him on the team or not. So uh, that's the
Speaker 1: end of Antonio Crimarti's career. Um probably the end of
Speaker 1: Alden Smith's career came about this week with a couple
Speaker 1: items in the news. And we'll be quick on this,
Speaker 1: but the San Francisco Police we're searching for Smith after
Speaker 1: he was all allegedly involved in a domestic violence incident,
Speaker 1: police confirmed to NFL dot com over the weekend. And
Speaker 1: then the Raiders officially released Smith what what wasn't even
Speaker 1: totally a where he was officially on their roster. He
Speaker 1: was set to hit free agency. The twenty eight year
Speaker 1: old came into the league as one of the best
Speaker 1: pass rushers in the league for his first two seasons,
Speaker 1: and he has not played since two thousand uh. In fifteen,
Speaker 1: I believe, and he was good under Jim Harbor like
Speaker 1: that he had nineteen and a half sacks his second
Speaker 1: year and has not played a snap since. Cannot get
Speaker 1: out of his own way. He's not coming back. It's
Speaker 1: one thing to have substance to abuse issues. It's another
Speaker 1: to be domestic violence several times. Yeah, so he he
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Speaker 1: dot com. You can't say squares space, you watched it,
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. The NFL Scouting Combine, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys running around. My kids watched it
Speaker 1: and at one point my daughter asked like, how do
Speaker 1: you win? And I thought that was a fairly good,
Speaker 1: good question. You know what we've got. We've got an
Speaker 1: answer right here, combined winners and losers. We're gonna tell
Speaker 1: you who wins. Let's maybe start with I don't even
Speaker 1: believe that we have winners. No, I don't know why not.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go. I don't believe that any of it
Speaker 1: really means that much. No, it's not. But we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about what happened and we can have least
Speaker 1: have fun with it. It's a little too much grunting here,
Speaker 1: It's it's a deep burn too much. That's way worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're grunting that much while lifting, you're
Speaker 1: in trouble. Let's start with Patrick Clayban, give us, give
Speaker 1: us a winner. Mike Gisicky. I think he had the
Speaker 1: best performance in the combine. His three cone time was
Speaker 1: comparable to that of of cornerbacks. The tight end out
Speaker 1: of Penn State. You know, people are drooling over Sae
Speaker 1: Kwon's workout, and they should be. But I really think
Speaker 1: there's an argument that Mike Gisicki at six five, right
Speaker 1: under two fifty pounds, running four or five getting around
Speaker 1: six seconds in the in in three cone. Um, that's
Speaker 1: a performance that that may get a lot of people
Speaker 1: had him at tight end one, but I think that
Speaker 1: might lock up our first round selection. If you if
Speaker 1: you want to die, he's not. He's not gonna get
Speaker 1: in there and and block. He's not going to be
Speaker 1: that guy. Um, But how how many teams are really
Speaker 1: getting that blocking tight end anyway? He kind of it
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis had
Speaker 1: a higher profile probably going into the Combine, but he's
Speaker 1: someone who's draft stock went way up because of the Combine.
Speaker 1: Maybe he went from a mid late first round type
Speaker 1: of guy to to one who ended up going sixth
Speaker 1: overall and you you were not draft next here. But
Speaker 1: you kind of hear the same about Kaziki. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the obvious one is shakem Griffin and it sits.
Speaker 1: It played big all weekend and it should have this
Speaker 1: is someone who at the Senior Bowl they pulled him
Speaker 1: aside at one point and he was making a pitch
Speaker 1: to go to the Combine because he wasn't invited, and
Speaker 1: it's someone who positionally they have to figure out what
Speaker 1: to do with him. That was Bucky Brooks takeaway was
Speaker 1: he had an incredible performance with the with the bench press,
Speaker 1: his speed is explosion, It's all there. He's still someone
Speaker 1: that they talked about is like his developmental project. He's
Speaker 1: a special teams potential standout leader. But I really have
Speaker 1: to say that if there's anything the Combine is so
Speaker 1: there's so much about the Combine that I have to
Speaker 1: look at in question what value do you take from it?
Speaker 1: Just to your point West that watching some of these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks throw passes to wide receivers they've never played with
Speaker 1: and zero defense ahead of them. That's nice that you
Speaker 1: can throw a sixty yard pass, but what does it
Speaker 1: tell us in September, in Week six when you're getting
Speaker 1: thrown in there, when your quarterback goes down with this
Speaker 1: kind of performance, Just simply saying, I don't really care
Speaker 1: what anyone says about me. I'm gonna prove every one
Speaker 1: of you wrong. It's a little bit crazy to go
Speaker 1: in and do what he did, and that no one
Speaker 1: found him good enough to even go to what is
Speaker 1: essentially just a large scouting event. Plenty of players that
Speaker 1: will never emerge as NFL players. They looked right past him.
Speaker 1: That to me, the initial invites for the scouting combine here,
Speaker 1: that's right, not on the list, that's right. I think
Speaker 1: we did learn something about this guy. He don't put
Speaker 1: limits on Checken Griffin, because this is a guy who
Speaker 1: a few years ago when he got to college and
Speaker 1: they had to fit him for that prosthetic hand to
Speaker 1: do the bench press, he was so wobbly he could
Speaker 1: barely get the forty five pound bar up. And then
Speaker 1: here he is four years later during twenty reps of two.
Speaker 1: Don't put a limit on this guy because he's still
Speaker 1: testing himself. Well. His his own brother was putting limits
Speaker 1: on him. I believe his brother guessed that he was
Speaker 1: going to run about a four six, so he and
Speaker 1: he ran faster than Calvin Johnson. And and his brother,
Speaker 1: of course is on the Seattle Seahawks. His twin brother,
Speaker 1: uh cornerback, played pretty well. Another Shack Griffin to give
Speaker 1: and and yeah, and and they he was. He interviewed
Speaker 1: a little bit on on two on Monday's show on
Speaker 1: on the scouting comment, he called into Rich and Mike
Speaker 1: and they were They were there together and they asked
Speaker 1: the question, who's what twins are faster than us? It's
Speaker 1: the fastest twins in the game right now, saying hang
Speaker 1: your hat on that. I mean, if the Hardy Boys
Speaker 1: were technically twins, I'd put them potentially in the In
Speaker 1: the conversation, how was the Seahawks, I'd want to go.
Speaker 1: I want to draft him, wouldn't You wouldn't lineback's two
Speaker 1: thousands at the combine. I saw Pete Carroll's reaction to
Speaker 1: his run. He seemed intrigued. Yeah, they then they're they're
Speaker 1: a team. I think that that they do. They march
Speaker 1: to the beat of their own drummer. They take some
Speaker 1: guys sometimes that only they want. So he was Griffin,
Speaker 1: I think was a guy people didn't think of necessary
Speaker 1: whether he was going to get drafted, whether or not.
Speaker 1: Now he's looked at as kind of a mid round
Speaker 1: type of pick, but who really knows. Twelve and a
Speaker 1: half tackles for loss the senior year of college. Wow,
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of stuff West, Who do
Speaker 1: you got there is? You know, analytics was um sort
Speaker 1: of brought into pro sports as a way to get
Speaker 1: rid of dogmatism. But as it happens, there's a certain
Speaker 1: segment in every sport of the analytics crowd that is
Speaker 1: very dogmatic, and they don't trust their eyes because they
Speaker 1: don't have an eye for the sports. They only go
Speaker 1: by tenants of analytics and numbers. And Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: a guy they hate. They cannot stand him because they
Speaker 1: can't see and they can't extrapolate from tape how he's
Speaker 1: going to do in the pros like scouts can. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be good or not,
Speaker 1: but he is a guy who helped himself this weekend,
Speaker 1: uh by all accounts have one of the best pro
Speaker 1: days out there and one of the best arms that
Speaker 1: we've seen in a decade. So to me, I'm just
Speaker 1: intrigued by this guy because I don't think I am dogmatic.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to see what's going to happen with his career.
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, the Greasy They called him the biggest surprise
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks for how well he showed during a
Speaker 1: drill that I largely just killed. But I but but
Speaker 1: was he why was he surprised? Though wasn't great. I
Speaker 1: think he showed more accuracy than they thought he showed
Speaker 1: on just in general, I think the knock was again
Speaker 1: a lot of people are watching for the first time
Speaker 1: live right. I think it was the accuracy and the
Speaker 1: ability to change speeds and throw with finesse too. And
Speaker 1: I think one part and it kind of plays into
Speaker 1: the conversation like what are you looking for? As he said,
Speaker 1: out of these we're watching guys run post corner routes
Speaker 1: and you see a guy like Josh Rosen or Kyle
Speaker 1: Letta wait for will not wait they're throwing, They're trying
Speaker 1: to time the receiver's routes to get the ball there.
Speaker 1: On top of what what Josh Allen has the ability
Speaker 1: to do that not a lot of people can do.
Speaker 1: He can wait for that guy out of his fifth
Speaker 1: step going towards the corner and then just rifle a
Speaker 1: bullet to him. Yeah, So that that on that stage
Speaker 1: on some particular drills, it highlights what he can do best.
Speaker 1: And it has, uh, you know, it has the ability
Speaker 1: to throw away bad tape if you draft if you
Speaker 1: draft Josh Allen number one overall for INDs, and it
Speaker 1: sounds like he's in that mix at least that the
Speaker 1: Browns would consider him, you have to be willing to
Speaker 1: apparently throw out a lot of ugly tape that you
Speaker 1: can put somewhat on the coaches in the situation at why.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you can put it all on there,
Speaker 1: if you're confident enough in your ability to do that.
Speaker 1: I still do worry there's kind of an innate natural
Speaker 1: ability to play quarterback that's hard to measure, what kind
Speaker 1: of like your comfort with the position. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: some of the and that's different than analytics, but I
Speaker 1: think that's some of the problem that some people have
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen. It's like I remember with Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1: People thought he had all the upside in the world
Speaker 1: on some level because he was, you know, physically talented,
Speaker 1: not a huge arm certainly nothing like Josh Allen. But
Speaker 1: they thought, well, you can kinda he'll once he plays
Speaker 1: quarterback more, he'll have a better feel of how to
Speaker 1: play the position. But I don't know if I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's something you can learn at the prolem
Speaker 1: But I think scouts have doubts about that stuff too,
Speaker 1: not just analytics, scouts questioned his field vision and his
Speaker 1: ability to go through progressions. So that's an issue. Should
Speaker 1: we go should we go to a loser? Threw I'll
Speaker 1: throw out a winner because we haven't talked exactly about
Speaker 1: se Quon Barkley, but the fact that he's now in
Speaker 1: the mix for the number one overall pick. The thing
Speaker 1: that stood out to me, uh was And this is
Speaker 1: so kind of surface level, but just listening to him
Speaker 1: do the interviews with the media and with Total Access
Speaker 1: and with rich In Mike Mayock, I mean when you
Speaker 1: listen to him talk, I mean he does seem like
Speaker 1: about like the total package guy. And if you're gonna
Speaker 1: take a guy to be the number one overall pick
Speaker 1: or or the number two overall pick, because I think
Speaker 1: the Giants could certainly be looking at I'm strong you
Speaker 1: kind of want everything. You want him to be a
Speaker 1: franchise guy, and I mean he is just an impressive
Speaker 1: young guy. He's like the offensive we had Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: last year, and on offense, you're getting sort of that version.
Speaker 1: They say when he when he does running back things,
Speaker 1: he looks like the best running back you've seen any
Speaker 1: on and when he does wide receiver things, he's doing
Speaker 1: stuff that some of the top wide receivers don't do
Speaker 1: on some level. So and it's it's impossible to measure
Speaker 1: kind of what you know, who who wants to be
Speaker 1: the best pro? Who's gonna once they get to the
Speaker 1: pro really want to be like the greatest of the greats.
Speaker 1: But everything that you hear about him and his interviews
Speaker 1: and the if you want to throw intangibles in there,
Speaker 1: seems like he's got all of that. So you can
Speaker 1: see why he'd be so tempting because you would have
Speaker 1: to feel, if you're a GM, like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: miss on this guy like I could miss on the
Speaker 1: other guys. There's literally no piece of information that somebody
Speaker 1: could bring to the table to say you don't want, say,
Speaker 1: Kwen Barkley on your f yet, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: I mean one other guy thrown as Bradley Chubb because
Speaker 1: they talk about him as in other drafts, he'd be
Speaker 1: clear heat outside of Barkley, but he would be really
Speaker 1: in the mix for the top overall pick. And in
Speaker 1: this whirlwind of quarterbacks and Barkley and even Griffin everything
Speaker 1: will happen completely forgotten this weekend. I feel like but
Speaker 1: blew away his combine and someone's gonna land him at
Speaker 1: somewhere between like three and six. Maybe. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying like they're gonna get the guy that could
Speaker 1: have been another year's totally qualified, successful number one overall. Dude,
Speaker 1: a good draft to throw out some winners. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: always guys I've never heard of when this comes up,
Speaker 1: because I don't really watch college football. D J Moore
Speaker 1: a wide receiver from Maryland whom I had never heard
Speaker 1: of before Saturday, and I saw Mann Harmon tweeyed about him,
Speaker 1: and and I always trust what Harmon has to say
Speaker 1: about wide receivers because he studies them so intently. And uh,
Speaker 1: this guy. Everything I heard after that was phenomenal. That
Speaker 1: this guy, it seems like a can't miss guy at
Speaker 1: wide receiver, had a great combine. And then when that
Speaker 1: matches sort of what people are seeing on tape, he
Speaker 1: seems like a guy who will be flying up draft
Speaker 1: boards any losers from the uh the scenario, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't, maybe we should put it on he's good. Well,
Speaker 1: the poor poor Maurice Hurst who had to leave with
Speaker 1: a heart condition. I'll throw that out there just because
Speaker 1: that's that's terrible news, and you hope that everything's okay.
Speaker 1: But he's a defensive tackle out of Michigan that I
Speaker 1: was expected to go in the first round and maybe
Speaker 1: he still will. Uh. Similar things have happened with players
Speaker 1: star Lott Leley, Nick Fairley who ended up popping back up.
Speaker 1: But these guys still ended up getting drafted pretty high.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's not that big a deal. We'll see.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about us tagging someone as a loser,
Speaker 1: but it was impossible not to hear the assessment on
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown. I mean, Bucky Brooks said it was, in quotes,
Speaker 1: one of the worst athletic displays I've ever seen at
Speaker 1: the NFL scouting combine, and that's it's a tackle pross
Speaker 1: back to as NFL jeans and he just came in.
Speaker 1: Apparently he was not prepared to shine. Hopefully he gets
Speaker 1: a chance to light it up with the Pro day
Speaker 1: because it it wasn't super impressive tackles at Pro days.
Speaker 1: You're gonna of Andre Smith. You know what was that
Speaker 1: about seven eight years ago, when yeah, he was just
Speaker 1: kind of flopping, flopping all around a very famously he
Speaker 1: needed like a sports bra for that word. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: always feel like I need to take a shower after
Speaker 1: the analysis on this stuff, no doubt. It's just like
Speaker 1: it makes me feel kind of dirty listening to people
Speaker 1: analyzed bodies in that one. Well with it with that,
Speaker 1: I think that's a nice little caper to our combine. Yes,
Speaker 1: I liked it. I that I'm going to be the
Speaker 1: one person that dropped like negative energy on some future
Speaker 1: add out of Flop There we Go is a big
Speaker 1: body guy. He had some you know, Florida state schedule,
Speaker 1: you play against a lot of good talent. He scored
Speaker 1: a touchdown on Maca Fitzpatrick. He came to Indian and
Speaker 1: ran about a four seven uh at a vertical and it,
Speaker 1: you know, it really didn't uh. He had a chance
Speaker 1: to make some money. And I don't think, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's more situational, like Ronald Jones tweaked his hamstring and
Speaker 1: couldn't run the forty, and he was someone that was
Speaker 1: trying to vie to become the next running back off
Speaker 1: the board. But there's still plenty of time for that.
Speaker 1: I don't care that Sam Donald didn't throw, should I?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you want to see him do that,
Speaker 1: but what But why are you Wayne until now to
Speaker 1: find out? If you find out if he can throw
Speaker 1: or not, it's not a big deal. We're over it.
Speaker 1: He'll throw, he'll light it up at the combine And uh,
Speaker 1: I mean that is pro day rather and uh, it's
Speaker 1: basically all uh just kind of a precursor, all an
Speaker 1: appetizer to the main entree of this program, and that
Speaker 1: is trash Takes. The people demanded it. It's back you.
Speaker 1: What's that smell? It's trash Takes with Patrick Clay we
Speaker 1: even have a drop for. And it's not just with
Speaker 1: Patrick Claybron it's with Patrick Clebon, Chris Wesley, and Mark
Speaker 1: ss The it comes up and Mark and Chris are like,
Speaker 1: I've got one. And so I'm not entirely sure how
Speaker 1: the segment works, but I have something that I'm annoyed with. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: It's one thing. One of the great things about this
Speaker 1: segment is that will never run out of resources. People say,
Speaker 1: people have been saying dump stuff since people yes and
Speaker 1: since people came vocabulary. Mine is just one that I
Speaker 1: had to get to because it got so much reaction
Speaker 1: from everybody. I got to it late. It was a
Speaker 1: tweet from the Field Goals account that said, you can't
Speaker 1: make fun of the Jaguars for having to pay Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles nineteen million dollars next season unless you're giving equal
Speaker 1: ribbing to the Panthers for paying Cam Newton twenty one
Speaker 1: point five million. Bortles is arguably the better passer of
Speaker 1: the two, A tweet that spawned so much reaction that
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Yeah, this is Clay brought this up as
Speaker 1: a potential one and I and I thought, oh, we
Speaker 1: we need to do this. Because Chris sent a very uh,
Speaker 1: almost apologetic tweet to field Goals after this and said,
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry, um, but I'm gonna have to unfollow you.
Speaker 1: It's an account that I've really respected and considers something.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's running the account on that day
Speaker 1: or not, but some smart guys have come out of
Speaker 1: Field Goals, isn't Danny Kelly. They do a great job
Speaker 1: in general. I would say it's one of the best
Speaker 1: the better teams saying yeah, but it's such a rotten,
Speaker 1: rotten tweet and it's a bad take, and it makes
Speaker 1: no sense. That was because so that's it. They're done
Speaker 1: with you. So you did you unfollowed, you unfollowed them.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten around to yet. Okay, my only four
Speaker 1: weight for a into it, if I could say it,
Speaker 1: um was, Hey, we just got to find out which
Speaker 1: which one of the guys sent this tweet, you know,
Speaker 1: And Chris comes in there just barreling in like with
Speaker 1: a parachute, like, no, you're out on the entire organization.
Speaker 1: I was very climped. That's how I was very early, first,
Speaker 1: like five years maybe of Twitter, or three or four years,
Speaker 1: if someone sent one really bad tweet unfollowed, you're done.
Speaker 1: And then but then now you realize people can always
Speaker 1: refollow him. Sure you people get their feelings hurt, Things happen, stuff.
Speaker 1: They need their feelings hurt in this case, yeah they do.
Speaker 1: First of all, you can't even argue that Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: was that comparable this season. And you have more than
Speaker 1: one season to look at, You have a the entire
Speaker 1: decade to look at. For for Cam Newton, it's a ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Maybe like a young blogger, the one you really look
Speaker 1: one of these guys was the m v P within
Speaker 1: the last three years of the entire league. And then
Speaker 1: the other guy have one of the worst passing performances
Speaker 1: we've ever seen in a playoff game against the Bills.
Speaker 1: I would check out their mass to I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: there's like a Willoughby Bortles tucked away as like a
Speaker 1: like a late night blogger for them. But if you
Speaker 1: juxtapose Cam's game against the Saints with Blake Bortles game
Speaker 1: against and It's it gets pretty gnarly. It's stuff to
Speaker 1: imagine Blake in that Panther's game down at North Sorry,
Speaker 1: we had to do it. It's a tram It's a
Speaker 1: trash stake. I saw what they're going for. It turned
Speaker 1: out to be trashed confirmed, Yes, confirmed, trash unfollowed, literally unfollowed.
Speaker 1: That used to be the kind of the premise of
Speaker 1: this are you gonna are you gonna unfollow the person
Speaker 1: or you're gonna mute them? Or what this person is
Speaker 1: getting unfollowed by West West? What is your trash take?
Speaker 1: This comes from Peter King's column on Monday. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is him paraphrasing. This is him paraphrasing, uh, sort of
Speaker 1: the negative surrounding, the perceived negative surrounding Josh Rosen. He's
Speaker 1: too smart for his own good. He's anti Trump, into politics,
Speaker 1: and cares a lot about the planet. Floriterneck quarterbacks need
Speaker 1: to be my opic football only. This is absurd and
Speaker 1: it's endemic to the NFL and the culture they have created.
Speaker 1: Could you possibly imagine an NBA GM worried that his
Speaker 1: top prospect might be anti Trump or care about the planet, Well,
Speaker 1: because the businesses like it's I I totally agree that
Speaker 1: that would be something I would not care about. But
Speaker 1: when you work for who most NFL owners are, I
Speaker 1: think most NFL owners proved to us this past season
Speaker 1: that they are not looking for quarterbacks with super high
Speaker 1: octane political takes. I agree with it. It's not probably
Speaker 1: even how scouts feel. But scouts have to think about
Speaker 1: the organization, their boss, and that's the problem. You don't
Speaker 1: want a player to be too smart because if they're
Speaker 1: dropping back into coverage and they're trying to read whether
Speaker 1: it's covered two or cover three, and you start thinking
Speaker 1: about the planet, right, there's not enough time to react.
Speaker 1: There's cyper planets. But wait, are we saying that that
Speaker 1: there's no aspect to this where it's they're working for
Speaker 1: typically very rich Republicans who run the entire share letting
Speaker 1: Scouts and GM's off the hook. A lot of them
Speaker 1: petically conservative and narrative. Maybe they are, but like a
Speaker 1: lot of Scouts are also twenty three and on the
Speaker 1: road eight months a year. I don't know what their
Speaker 1: political posts are, but less about politics, I think than
Speaker 1: just having other interests and intelligence that they almost are
Speaker 1: some threatened about by an after because opinions, NFL coaches
Speaker 1: don't really like challenges. They don't want to embrace a
Speaker 1: guy who's going to be a challenge. A guy like
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, who you know, his senior year in high
Speaker 1: school was out doing the same stuff that Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: was doing at the line of scrimmage and his coach
Speaker 1: said to him, you don't need to wear your intelligence
Speaker 1: on your sleeve. And Josh Rosen said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I needed that ego check. And at several steps along
Speaker 1: the way he's gotten ego checks, and he's smart enough
Speaker 1: to put those two use and and I think there's
Speaker 1: a nuance about Josh Rosen. There's a complexity about him
Speaker 1: that a lot of NFL coaches who are just going
Speaker 1: along for the ride don't want They don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with that complaint bring up that he can. And
Speaker 1: this is another thing that I feel like has popped
Speaker 1: up a lot um in the last couple of drafts,
Speaker 1: is that quarterback X, or even player X, but more
Speaker 1: quarterback X comes from a wealthy family so doesn't need
Speaker 1: football or has never needed football the same way that
Speaker 1: someone else would. That also is an incredibly massive assumption
Speaker 1: about the the complex chemistry that makes Josh Rosen. Who
Speaker 1: he give me a break, They all Josh Rosen. It's
Speaker 1: like interview was great at the combine Baker Mayfield. Everyone
Speaker 1: had issues with all the All you heard was day two,
Speaker 1: day three that he loved Baker Mayfield behind the scenes
Speaker 1: talking to him. So it's all trash on some level.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, Peyton Manning, he did grow up, you know,
Speaker 1: coming from the other side of the tracks. So I
Speaker 1: think that there is some similarity between Rosen and Peyton Manning,
Speaker 1: that they are both very intelligent, especially on the field.
Speaker 1: Um it, Rosen is even smarter than Peyton Manning, probably
Speaker 1: by quite a bit. Um, but he's Peyton Manning is
Speaker 1: very um, single minded, driven about football being the center
Speaker 1: place of his life. And Josh Rosen seems to have
Speaker 1: more interest, which makes him a much more fascinating human
Speaker 1: being to me. But I can see how coaches might
Speaker 1: question that a little bit. I would say, if Josh,
Speaker 1: if if you're political or just general life ideology is
Speaker 1: so fragile that a year old uh working for your
Speaker 1: team is going to cause issue with that, uh, then
Speaker 1: maybe you should reevaluate um the way that you look
Speaker 1: at the world. But I think Josh, as far as
Speaker 1: the criticisms of Josh, you take out some you know,
Speaker 1: absurd things people have said about Lamar Jackson, like Josh
Speaker 1: has really gotten hammered through this process for literally just
Speaker 1: saying pretty basic mains like the idea that the planet
Speaker 1: that's exactly. And it does get me thinking, though. I
Speaker 1: like that this this rookie class, I think is going
Speaker 1: to add some spark to the league, which we could
Speaker 1: use that between him and Mayfield and then Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: who I think is just gonna cause reactions, and that's good.
Speaker 1: There's quarterbacks in the NFL that have to hide, the
Speaker 1: teams need to hide to keep people from asking them questions.
Speaker 1: I don't think you would ever need to hide. Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen from answering a difficult question. Well, he he refuses
Speaker 1: to be anyone else other than who he is, which
Speaker 1: is admirable to me in a league where no but
Speaker 1: he says anything interesting. Right, And that said, we don't
Speaker 1: know him personally either, so it's like we're all just
Speaker 1: cleaning everyone else's facts and takes, and you know, you
Speaker 1: know him. I'm sure that's I'm sure that's accurate. What's
Speaker 1: his favorite football team? Anymore? Breaking news you have to
Speaker 1: you want to share with us? Dallas cat u c
Speaker 1: l a Brow At age twelve he was the number
Speaker 1: one ranked tennis player and all of the other Maybe
Speaker 1: you were friends with another thing we have in common.
Speaker 1: All right, we're running out of time. Trash steake final
Speaker 1: one Mine is not I I have a completely This
Speaker 1: just does not fit, nor is it nearly as deep
Speaker 1: and nuance does the is the previous one. I just
Speaker 1: simply it's more now what people are saying, but what
Speaker 1: they're doing. And it has to do with men who
Speaker 1: are still wearing neckties. I feel like it is. I am.
Speaker 1: I'm really annoyed with men's fashion in general, and I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about this, talked a few people out about it.
Speaker 1: The combine and you're doing with your actions. You're saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: when I'm told I need to dress up for something,
Speaker 1: I go put a necktie on. And it's just it's
Speaker 1: a clothing item that has literally zero meaning at this
Speaker 1: point in our society anymore. It's not some tradition that
Speaker 1: most people even care or know where it came from.
Speaker 1: It's personally something when you were a kid. Oh, you're
Speaker 1: going to a wedding, you're going to church, or it's
Speaker 1: time to dress up to go to Aunt Shelley's event,
Speaker 1: whatever she's doing. You have to put a tie on,
Speaker 1: and it's a clip on tie, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: teach you how to tie a tie. No concept or
Speaker 1: acknowledgement that it is one of the most stupid things
Speaker 1: that you could put on your body. It doesn't look good.
Speaker 1: It looks I don't think it does. I am done
Speaker 1: with ties, and I think that I inspired this. I
Speaker 1: felt this way about men's clothing for ages, and I
Speaker 1: just think one of the things. Even even at NFL Network,
Speaker 1: I noticed it's like, oh, wait, you talk all we
Speaker 1: talk all week and we talk up here, but occasionally
Speaker 1: when they throw us when we've had to go down.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well, now you're going into this other
Speaker 1: room put on as a sports blazer in a tie,
Speaker 1: and now what is that saying that now suddenly your
Speaker 1: opinion has more to give, you have more to give.
Speaker 1: It's it's a construct. Blow it up, it's TV. I
Speaker 1: agree with everything except the fact that it doesn't look good.
Speaker 1: I think it does look They can look good occasionally,
Speaker 1: but I really just don't have the trash take society.
Speaker 1: I think no, bye by the actions that we still
Speaker 1: are like click in our mind. I'm going somewhere dressy,
Speaker 1: I must put a tie in or someone another man
Speaker 1: is telling me I have to wear a tie, and
Speaker 1: so I do it, Which is weird that it like
Speaker 1: you're forty something years old and another grown human person
Speaker 1: is telling you what to put on. At this point,
Speaker 1: the grown person is society, and it's like, don't we
Speaker 1: don't blood let anymore. There's plenty of things that we
Speaker 1: If an alien comes down and says, hey, why do
Speaker 1: you wear that tie? How am I going to rationalize
Speaker 1: this to this being that has I'm hiding? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you could get pretty deep into it clothes
Speaker 1: in general, but I don't know. But you gotta figure that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's initially worn right if you I
Speaker 1: believe West that when you say you like the way
Speaker 1: it looks, that you do, and that's why because you can.
Speaker 1: You've often said I'm not even going to the holiday
Speaker 1: party because I don't want to dress up. So you
Speaker 1: have you obviously don't bend to another person's fashion take.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that the majority of men who
Speaker 1: are in just in the habit of wearing ties do
Speaker 1: it because of a great urge they think it looks good.
Speaker 1: I do not, I think, unless that's I think many
Speaker 1: of them do it because they're told to. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like it. I like either totally casual or like a suit.
Speaker 1: I hate when we're like in like a dress shirt
Speaker 1: and then I don't know, like it's all terrible. I'll
Speaker 1: say the reason that I wear a tie is I
Speaker 1: want to avoid fashion conversations that are critical of me,
Speaker 1: and so I wear a tie on air because I
Speaker 1: don't want somebody to ask me why I wasn't wearing
Speaker 1: a tie. That's that's literally there, I get it. That
Speaker 1: tells you the man is hovering ready to critique. That's
Speaker 1: our theme to the show. Well, we We live on
Speaker 1: the West coast, so we have it. We have it
Speaker 1: pretty good. The standards out here are much looser than
Speaker 1: they are in the Midwest or on the East coast. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you know, much like Colleen not quite understand
Speaker 1: mean the rules of different segments marked through that out there.
Speaker 1: Because even though he didn't understand the rules, it was good.
Speaker 1: It was fired. Take all right. We will be back
Speaker 1: this week two more shows Wednesday and Friday. Uh. The
Speaker 1: franchise deadline is Tuesday, so we'll have some news coming
Speaker 1: out of that. We'll have some cuts. We'll see what
Speaker 1: else is happening. I don't know if Colleen has joined us.
Speaker 1: She's usually in on Wednesday, so hopefully she is. That
Speaker 1: would be good. But what a treat this was to
Speaker 1: have Claybon in the house. I missed you guys, all right,
Speaker 1: see you guys, thanks for coming back, all right for
Speaker 1: Patrick Claiban, hit the music, Mark Sessler, uh, and Chris Wesley.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal. See Wednesday, come on the work