Speaker 1: What's up. This is Terrell Owens and you're listening to
Speaker 1: the R and B Podcast. Yeah, oh no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well I had a long day. Now I really trying
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Speaker 1: Soundclass Tyle, Instagram. I'm the broson Rob. Listen. We got
Speaker 1: a special guest, but I'm not gonna get to that
Speaker 1: just yet. A t D. Let me get one more beat.
Speaker 1: See what TV working with? You know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: he got he gotta regain my trust after Okay, let's
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Speaker 1: I got something. I got so much Just wait, you
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Speaker 1: I ain't got no bars, got bars? I think I
Speaker 1: got said my healthy uh nutritional laws I ain't got
Speaker 1: I ain't got eight or sixteen. I may have one
Speaker 1: or two in my back. Oh my gosh, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: listen in the house today we are joined by a
Speaker 1: very special guest, a living legend for sure, six time
Speaker 1: pro bowler, just to keep it real, one of the
Speaker 1: best to ever do it at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: the one, the only, Mr Tarrell Owens. Man, how are
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm good man, I appreciate that. Man. You
Speaker 1: guys making me feel well. We're really really welcome. You
Speaker 1: set the stage for what we do here, bro, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us for real. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: into it, but just for the people listening, quick intro.
Speaker 1: You can say your name because I'm a going a
Speaker 1: whole list of what I like to say today. But
Speaker 1: what's up to you? What's up? Man? I mean everybody
Speaker 1: knows me. I'm Terrell Owens, not Terrail for the people
Speaker 1: that are out there, I'm listening, and that has been
Speaker 1: misinformed all these years by all these analysts out there.
Speaker 1: But it's Terrell. I know what my mama named me.
Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, man, I mean you know I'm that guy. Man.
Speaker 1: I came from humble beginnings from Alexander City, Alabama. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, had I think in illustrious fifteen year career.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well we'll get into it. You gotta do
Speaker 1: all that compedia page you said introduced myself. I can't say.
Speaker 1: Just get your popcorn ready, That's what I'm talking. Okay,
Speaker 1: al right, before we get into that, let me tell
Speaker 1: everybody about the RMB show. I gotta remind you of
Speaker 1: the insight to the life of the NFL player around
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Speaker 1: so happened we got one who is too he is
Speaker 1: a ball player, is a celebrity. We talked pop culture, music.
Speaker 1: We got producer t d dropping new beasts throughout the show. Um,
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Speaker 1: we keep it old man. I know my podcast meets okay,
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Speaker 1: around here a little let's get it. Hey, I want
Speaker 1: temper said business. We're gonna get into that too. Hey,
Speaker 1: but listen coming up on today's show, Um, listen. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: we got t O. So there's not really much else
Speaker 1: to talk about. We're not gonna dive into all the
Speaker 1: extra stuff that's going on in the season right now.
Speaker 1: We may sprinkle in some questions for t O, but
Speaker 1: really I just want to talk about you your career,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: you know that I'm a stand but I'm a stand bro.
Speaker 1: I'm a super fan of you, and I've been a
Speaker 1: super fan. And as we talk, you'll see a lot
Speaker 1: of things that I do in my career and have
Speaker 1: done in my career, even in my post career. It
Speaker 1: was off your blueprint straight up. But we'll get into that. Um.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about dealing with the media. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the fans, spotlight, when it's hot, when it's colde. Um.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about relationships with teams and quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna ask you about the best receivers in the
Speaker 1: game and also the best receivers of all time. UM.
Speaker 1: So this is our our usual p s A Mike.
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Speaker 1: can check us out on YouTube, NFL channel, all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. But we keep it one Hunting and t
Speaker 1: O in the building to day. We're gonna keep it
Speaker 1: super one hunted today. I've got I'm telling you and
Speaker 1: t I'm I'm gonna start it off a little bit. Man. Wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: hold up, man, I want to get it. We got
Speaker 1: another beat though, Man, look I want to talk to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll get We'll get one more beat real quick.
Speaker 1: You want to be real quick, Alright, alright, no TV
Speaker 1: hype about his beats any in each other trying to
Speaker 1: get us back on his good side. It's got a
Speaker 1: little cutter right here. Uh okay, but it's a little okay,
Speaker 1: a little this sounds like this could be on MPI
Speaker 1: A little cutter, Okay, I think it's something Mike, a
Speaker 1: little cutter. Okay. Let me get my bath and hear something.
Speaker 1: They let me hear something. All right, you should it
Speaker 1: sound a little cutter. He said, get your pop gone ready.
Speaker 1: That's a little butter. This is all wordplay. No stutter.
Speaker 1: We got t o in the building. That's no mutter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no sucker. You see, I don't man did it's in
Speaker 1: the business. He walks up in the building. You don't
Speaker 1: gotta ask who wears this teeth? Oh? You know, tell
Speaker 1: him they straight nasty. Tell us a time he was crying.
Speaker 1: He's something. He was nasty, running right past the deep.
Speaker 1: Pie's trying to guard him. Come on, nay, come on
Speaker 1: at listen. We got talk to the lose myself. I
Speaker 1: had to stop myself from custom ye keeping PG. All right, listen, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into this first topic. Um, you know
Speaker 1: there's no other player that I can remember in my
Speaker 1: generation that dealt with a spotlight hotter than yours. There's
Speaker 1: guys that deal with the spotlight from an athletics standpoint,
Speaker 1: and then there's guys that transcend the field and they
Speaker 1: get everything. They get the celebrity tag, they get the
Speaker 1: athletic tag. And I remember, just watching it from a distance,
Speaker 1: you say, get your popcorn ready, and you said that
Speaker 1: on the field, But to me, I took that as
Speaker 1: we're watching a movie like you was a movie dog.
Speaker 1: Every day was something so just out the gate. What
Speaker 1: was it like dealing with that pot, with that with
Speaker 1: that type of pressure, in that spotlight while you were
Speaker 1: still trying to be the best receiver in the world. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean for me, man, I just said, I took
Speaker 1: it upon myself when Jerry, you know, started, he was
Speaker 1: at the end of his career, and I knew I
Speaker 1: had to kind of step into his shoes. Um. I
Speaker 1: knew that that was a void that was needed. You know.
Speaker 1: For me, I challenged myself to be that go to guy.
Speaker 1: I challenged myself to be that playmaker. I knew the
Speaker 1: responsibility just watching from afar, you know, kind of sort
Speaker 1: of with with Jerry with the responsibilities that he held. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot that that that comes with being that
Speaker 1: number one receiver for your team. And I saw that
Speaker 1: and I kind of enjoyed being a number two and
Speaker 1: a number three option with Jerry. So I knew as
Speaker 1: his year started to to to wind down and he
Speaker 1: went on over to Oakland, you know, I knew that
Speaker 1: I had to be that guy. I tried to emulate
Speaker 1: some of the things that he did, but I knew
Speaker 1: I couldn't be Jerry. There's nobody like Jerry. There were
Speaker 1: I don't think there ever will be anybody like Jerry.
Speaker 1: But I try to bring what I brought to the
Speaker 1: table with some of my prototypical attributes. That was like
Speaker 1: my speed, my size, um, you know, I I adopted
Speaker 1: that that yeat what they called yards after the catch. Um. Jerry,
Speaker 1: he he was the blueprint for what I did. And
Speaker 1: now I just tried to really try to add a
Speaker 1: little twist to it, you know. I mean I had
Speaker 1: to sprinkle a little bit of what I what I
Speaker 1: had within me with some of the things that he
Speaker 1: brought to the table. And so for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I I considered myself just something a specimen of a
Speaker 1: receiver because I had a lot of things that a
Speaker 1: lot of things that receivers have now um in size
Speaker 1: um speed. But there was just something I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people saw and me was that potential to
Speaker 1: be something special. And so for me, dude, every time
Speaker 1: I got on the field, and he especially, it started
Speaker 1: in the off season. I envisioned things that I wanted
Speaker 1: to do on the football field while Jerry was there,
Speaker 1: and I knew when he left, I knew how I
Speaker 1: had to be that guy. I wanted to win a championship.
Speaker 1: I wanted to win a Super Bowl championship for the
Speaker 1: city of San Francisco. That didn't ultimately happen, but I
Speaker 1: did whatever I could within my power to prepare myself
Speaker 1: for every upcoming season. It all started in the offseason.
Speaker 1: And I tell kids now when I go speak to kids, now,
Speaker 1: you know, you know you gotta have your grades, You
Speaker 1: gotta have a great education. In what the blueprint for
Speaker 1: me and where I got to where I am. I
Speaker 1: tell kids, you can only have three you could this
Speaker 1: is the only time it's acceptable to acceptable to have
Speaker 1: three DS. That's desire, dedication, and discipline. Everybody has that
Speaker 1: one thing that's desire. Everybody has a desire to do
Speaker 1: any in anything, but to get to that next level,
Speaker 1: you gotta have that dedication and you gotta have that discipline.
Speaker 1: And so that's what prepared me to be who I
Speaker 1: am now. Um, I'll always say that Jerry is going
Speaker 1: to be He will be the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: And my mind, I'm right behind him. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't care who put who whatever, what receivers in what order.
Speaker 1: For me. In my mind, he can be one. I
Speaker 1: could be too. If you want to narrow that gap,
Speaker 1: he could be one. I could be one. A talk
Speaker 1: about you know, I spent time with you out in
Speaker 1: Seattle and you talk. You spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: talking about Jerry and the impact he had on your game.
Speaker 1: Did you feel a responsibility? I mean, as soon as
Speaker 1: you come on the show, this is you know, Nate
Speaker 1: was a young wife receiver in this league. Did you
Speaker 1: feel a responsibility to be able to, you know, show
Speaker 1: young guys the way you know and being being successful
Speaker 1: on to feel how to be a pro that you
Speaker 1: know that's being lost in today's NFL. The big home
Speaker 1: either the older guy on the squad that just shows
Speaker 1: us how to be a pro I think you But
Speaker 1: if you see, if you if you look at the
Speaker 1: league now, there's not a lot of veterans, um that
Speaker 1: are now still playing. You know, they weeded them out.
Speaker 1: It seems like once you hit your thirties, they're pretty
Speaker 1: much showing you the door. So there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of veteran leadership. If you look at the league in
Speaker 1: the locker room, it's like a lot of young guys
Speaker 1: trying to be mentors for the young guys, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, uh, for me, what I tried
Speaker 1: to do is like I led by example. I tried
Speaker 1: to do what I could. Um. I wasn't a ra
Speaker 1: ra guy. I let my play do to speaking for me.
Speaker 1: You know. There are times where I picked my spots
Speaker 1: and I spoke up and I said what I had
Speaker 1: to say. I remember one time, you know, vividly, Um,
Speaker 1: there was a playoff game against the Giants and we
Speaker 1: were we were down like points, you know at halftime,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of a lot of my
Speaker 1: teammates at that time probably that was probably the first
Speaker 1: time that they saw me really stand up, you know,
Speaker 1: for my team and show some leadership verbally, because any
Speaker 1: time after that you know. Before that part of that,
Speaker 1: it was just really just me going out proving it
Speaker 1: with my with my play because there was a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism as to how I played with passion, how
Speaker 1: that was is conscrewed, you know, with my passion. Um
Speaker 1: for me, when I got into the end zone and
Speaker 1: what I did to get into the end zone, that
Speaker 1: was me leading by by by example. All right, So,
Speaker 1: uh this, there's so many questions I want to um CD,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that one, but I want to
Speaker 1: kind of rewind a little bit and talk about that spotlight.
Speaker 1: And and I'll preface it by saying this. You know,
Speaker 1: I played you know eleven years right, and I got
Speaker 1: some touchdowns. There was times where I felt like nobody
Speaker 1: could stop me. Right, that was my my like t
Speaker 1: o Chad Johnson, just like right, I mean that zone right,
Speaker 1: But in my head, Brandy Moss, I gotta credit Randy too.
Speaker 1: Um but I know in my head I'm not these guys.
Speaker 1: But you know, I gotta trick yourself and believe in um,
Speaker 1: you're the best in the business. And that spotlight I
Speaker 1: got as mostly a number two for through my career.
Speaker 1: It was addicting, Like I was literally addicted to the praise.
Speaker 1: And part of that was the motivation to like a
Speaker 1: tour because I wanted that shun Like I wanted to
Speaker 1: see sixty five thousand people stand on their feet. I
Speaker 1: wanted somebody to come up to me when I was
Speaker 1: going through the grocery store, like I wanted to walk
Speaker 1: in the club and they say, oh, oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: got you. Come on here. He got paid for nothing
Speaker 1: like our RB at a restaurant and somebody say, they
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. The kitchen took care of tab.
Speaker 1: I love that stuff, right, So for you, you're on
Speaker 1: a whole different level. So what I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the perks, and then I also want to talk
Speaker 1: about um and we're talking like just off the field
Speaker 1: spotlight like was it? Was it addicting? Like was some
Speaker 1: of I'll call it antics is what people call it.
Speaker 1: But I did the same thing as you that I celebrated.
Speaker 1: I showed out, But were some of the antics to
Speaker 1: continue to grab at that attention in that spotlight. So
Speaker 1: it just became brighter and brighter. Now for me, it's
Speaker 1: it's just like a scripture manage too, who much is given,
Speaker 1: much is required, and so for me. I I adopted
Speaker 1: that in terms of what I what I possessed as
Speaker 1: a receiver, what I brought to the team. Uh, that
Speaker 1: swagger that I had, it was that confidence that pas
Speaker 1: scion and a lot of a lot of that throughout
Speaker 1: my career, UH was misconstrued as ME being cocky, me
Speaker 1: me being arrogant. I'm a very I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: a very intelligent guy. And I know the difference between
Speaker 1: arrogans and cockiness and and confidence. And so for me,
Speaker 1: I just carrid that swag about myself. And for me,
Speaker 1: I just knew that I had come from a place
Speaker 1: where nobody ever thought that I would I would be
Speaker 1: coming from. UM, I never saw myself playing beyond the
Speaker 1: collegiate level. I don't think a lot of people knew
Speaker 1: that when I came out of high school I was
Speaker 1: getting recruited. The only reason I got recruited because there
Speaker 1: was another receiver on our team that they were heavily
Speaker 1: and highly recruited, and they saw film on him, and
Speaker 1: they saw me make a few plays here and there,
Speaker 1: and they just offered me a package. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a package deal. So I went to the University
Speaker 1: of Tennessee, Chattanooga, and literally, like I said, I had
Speaker 1: no idea, I had no idea where I was going.
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was. I was in love
Speaker 1: with basketball. So I had some offers to play some
Speaker 1: Division two schools of basketball, but I had already signed
Speaker 1: my football scholarship to Chattanooga. So I went and again
Speaker 1: the only wait, the only reason I went because my
Speaker 1: mom wasn't in a position to pay for school. So
Speaker 1: that was a way of me getting my education. And
Speaker 1: at the time, at the same time, I took advantage
Speaker 1: of the scholarship that the you teach you TC gave me,
Speaker 1: and I made them. I made the most. You're trying
Speaker 1: to tell me that there wasn't anything about that spotlight
Speaker 1: that was that was like insatiable because once you get it,
Speaker 1: like you want to hold onto it. It's right. But
Speaker 1: I saw that with Jerry, I mean being in the
Speaker 1: locker room with a bunch of stars, not just Jerry,
Speaker 1: that's Steve, j mean, Tim McDonald, Merton, hank Lee woodall
Speaker 1: thein't a stubborn field, you know, as a rookie. Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm coming in five years old, dude, my eyes are
Speaker 1: wide to my mind, my eyes are wide open. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at how Jerry, like you said, Jerry can go anywhere.
Speaker 1: I don't have to get, don't have to pay for nothing.
Speaker 1: You know. I watched how the fans him and everybody
Speaker 1: just flocked to him based on what he did as
Speaker 1: a football player. In the football field. Those are the
Speaker 1: perks that are being great or becoming great in the process.
Speaker 1: And so I watched that, and as I evolved as
Speaker 1: a receiver, I became pretty much like the son of Jerry,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I kind of just
Speaker 1: watched from before and I watched how he handled things.
Speaker 1: And there were some things that throughout my career I
Speaker 1: probably could have handled better. But at the same time
Speaker 1: everybody yeah, But at the same time, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I knew it came with the territory. I knew how
Speaker 1: to uh you know, assess things with with discretion. Um.
Speaker 1: And again when I when I when I came up
Speaker 1: with my touchdown dances number, the first thing was the
Speaker 1: bankhead bounced. Had I had Steve I had Steve Young
Speaker 1: doing the bad bankhead amount. So I knew exactly, so
Speaker 1: I knew things were changing. So again everything was motivated
Speaker 1: motivated motivation for me because I wanted to do whatever
Speaker 1: I could. I mean, there was there was other incentives
Speaker 1: for that. That was like to help my family, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was branded in the process.
Speaker 1: That's what I was doing. But I didn't know what
Speaker 1: I was doing until later on in my career. Then
Speaker 1: that's when it became just a form of entertainment. Then
Speaker 1: I saw myself not only just a football player, but
Speaker 1: I was entertaining. I was entertaining the crowds at my
Speaker 1: home stadium and when out on the on the road,
Speaker 1: they couldn't do nothing but respect what I did on
Speaker 1: the football field because I did it. I said, I
Speaker 1: did it the way I thought was the right way
Speaker 1: to do it. In terms of not tarnishing the integrity
Speaker 1: of the league. I didn't. My touchdown celebrations weren't obscene
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I had. I was being creative.
Speaker 1: I had fun with with with scoring touchdowns. And that
Speaker 1: was my motivational factor too, is that every week I
Speaker 1: tried to one up myself. Okay, so now I've done
Speaker 1: it all, Like I've set in a hotel and practiced
Speaker 1: my celebration whether I'm on the road and legs. You
Speaker 1: know what, I'm saying, like I'm about to I'm about
Speaker 1: to do the eagle wings. I'm gonna shoot the eagle
Speaker 1: like I was a TiO, straight up and down. It
Speaker 1: was because of you. I saw you, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's so creative. And then I saw your brand just
Speaker 1: becoming bigger and bigger, and I'm like, Okay, as an athlete,
Speaker 1: I can one getting the end zone, which is already
Speaker 1: hard enough to do. And then to me, having a
Speaker 1: celebration plan is basically telling everybody I knew I was
Speaker 1: gonna score and y'all, which is like the ultimate sign
Speaker 1: of confidence which people don't understand. And then and then
Speaker 1: go out there and do it. My question, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: but how did you come up one one? How did
Speaker 1: you come up with your celebrations? And to what was
Speaker 1: your favorite? That it was impromptu, just like what the
Speaker 1: one that I got rid of cute so badly for
Speaker 1: by analysts across the country was the Sharpie, Like I
Speaker 1: did that it was imprompt which most one of the
Speaker 1: most legended that in Joe Hord's cell phone, But I
Speaker 1: did it. I didn't have it in my sock the
Speaker 1: entire time I had I asked the trainer for the
Speaker 1: sharpie right before that series that we were going out.
Speaker 1: Right before that series, you knew about exactly. I knew
Speaker 1: it was about to go down. And that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's like people take that as arrogance. Bro, That's that's
Speaker 1: just that's confidence. That's confidence in what I and what
Speaker 1: I was doing. And my my friend that I scored
Speaker 1: on Seawan Springs, he hadn't he didn't have a problem
Speaker 1: with at least that's what he told me. But we
Speaker 1: had a mutual friend and Greg Eastman that lived uh
Speaker 1: in Arizona, but the game was being played in Seattle.
Speaker 1: So they came to the game and I saw Greg
Speaker 1: in the hotel. He's like, yo, I need an autograph
Speaker 1: football or whatever after the game. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I got you. So he's like, I'm gonna be sitting
Speaker 1: in the this this end zone. What happened and he's like,
Speaker 1: if you score, just give it to me. So just
Speaker 1: so happened I clicked in my brain. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: Well the next series up, I saw my training coming by.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, Doc, I said, let me get
Speaker 1: a sharpie. Man. He thought I would needed a sharpie
Speaker 1: just to black something now right whatever, And he was
Speaker 1: write something down and he was waiting to get it back,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I'm good. He had no day,
Speaker 1: so he kept going so he didn't know. I stuck
Speaker 1: it in my sock, went out for the next series
Speaker 1: or whatever, getting called the Corom your home. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I scored and dude, it was just just a natural instinct.
Speaker 1: I got the got the pin that's awesome, signed it
Speaker 1: and I saw my dude and I gave him. I
Speaker 1: gave him and see and see. People don't know the
Speaker 1: backstory and they don't know the actual you know, events
Speaker 1: that happened that led up to you. But all they
Speaker 1: saw was you pulling it out. And then you got
Speaker 1: the backlash and it was up backlash. But it was
Speaker 1: awesome TV. I ain't entertainers, bro right, I am musty TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah's awesome television. My question to you, big dog, is
Speaker 1: you've been in a lot of locker rooms. You've seen
Speaker 1: the locker room change. You talked about first walking into
Speaker 1: the San Francisco locker room, how that was all all
Speaker 1: of those stars, But then you talk about your celebrations,
Speaker 1: for one, how is the locker room changed, going back
Speaker 1: from the nineties and going into now. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, How is the locker room dynamic change? We
Speaker 1: talk about off air a little bit. How that you
Speaker 1: know they're on a lot of older guys, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean to kind of control and police the
Speaker 1: locker room. And two through your celebrations, we got fifty
Speaker 1: three individuals in there. You didn't did you rub some
Speaker 1: people the wrong way? Some of your teammates the wrong way?
Speaker 1: I'm sure all of them aren't. Is hype about it
Speaker 1: as Nate nine? Right? I mean, I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: probably rubbed some teammates the wrong way. But I think
Speaker 1: as a team, as as a family, as a brotherhood,
Speaker 1: if you really we're striving for the same goals as
Speaker 1: I was, and if my motivation to get in that
Speaker 1: end zone was me scoring touchdowns, how can you not
Speaker 1: how can you not like what I'm doing? Points on
Speaker 1: the board exactly? How can you not like what I'm doing?
Speaker 1: And I think I've said, and there's a number of
Speaker 1: other people that have said it, that that has gotten
Speaker 1: into the end zone early and often. If you don't
Speaker 1: like it, you gotta stop it. I think Cam Newton
Speaker 1: just said that if you don't like what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: don't let me get into the end zone. And I
Speaker 1: never really thought of it that way. I was I
Speaker 1: would do that was going out there doing my job. Bro.
Speaker 1: It was me. I was doing my job and I
Speaker 1: was doing it the best that I could. When I
Speaker 1: got on the football field, bro, it was easy. The
Speaker 1: hard part was practiced, dude. My coaches had to hold
Speaker 1: me back, like if I was injured or something was
Speaker 1: nagging me or whatever. I still wanted to press the
Speaker 1: envelope though, because I felt like if I wasn't practicing,
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting myself better. I didn't want to miss
Speaker 1: out on anything. I didn't want to miss out on
Speaker 1: an opportunity to perfect my craft because I had watched
Speaker 1: it for three to five years with Jerry Rice, I
Speaker 1: had watched film on him, you know, prior to me
Speaker 1: getting to the forty nine, I had no I had
Speaker 1: no no idea about Jerry until like my junior year
Speaker 1: in college. You so you just said something, you said, Uh,
Speaker 1: it was easy. I went out there and his found
Speaker 1: what I said. It was. It was profound to me
Speaker 1: as as a as an athlete, because a lot I
Speaker 1: just said there was times where I felt unstoppable. You
Speaker 1: said you said it was easy. So one I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, was it was it moments in your
Speaker 1: career where he felt on stop bar? Was it your
Speaker 1: whole career too? Um? Who was the toughest DV you
Speaker 1: have to go against? Because in your head, I know
Speaker 1: what you're thinking, you felt like nobody can stop you? Right?
Speaker 1: But I mean I give I give guys respect for competition,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the respect to to go
Speaker 1: up every week when there was a key matchup game
Speaker 1: and we're playing guys and I know they had a
Speaker 1: good dB. Those are respectable matchups. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: For me? Um, when I went into the when I
Speaker 1: got into games earlier in my career, I wasn't unstoppable.
Speaker 1: I was still learning the game. I was ridden. When
Speaker 1: I came out of Chattanooga, I was I was drafted
Speaker 1: on potential. I wasn't your number one and number two,
Speaker 1: you know, draft choice I received nine With the year
Speaker 1: of the receiver class. They were like eleven and twelve
Speaker 1: guys that went before me. You can go check the
Speaker 1: stats after this and see where those guys are ranked
Speaker 1: with where I was for as where I was drafted,
Speaker 1: but as I evolved, like the my after my third
Speaker 1: or fourth season, I started to feel like I belonged.
Speaker 1: I had to really perfect being a receiver because coming
Speaker 1: out of Chattanooga, I wasn't. I wasn't faced with that
Speaker 1: competition like Division one schools were faced with. So when
Speaker 1: I got to when I got the training camps in adjustment, dude,
Speaker 1: I would excuse me me, we have slipped up before tight.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, uh, I was getting hemmed up at
Speaker 1: the line. I was big, I was you know, I
Speaker 1: was strong. Those were some of the attributes that I
Speaker 1: was drafted for. But I had to put all these
Speaker 1: pieces together. I was raw. I couldn't get off the jam.
Speaker 1: I had to quicken my feet up. I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to really use my hands. All I knew how
Speaker 1: to use was my size, so I used that to
Speaker 1: get off the line. But I dbs that are veterans
Speaker 1: that have been in the league, like at this time,
Speaker 1: five six, seven, eight years in the league. They started
Speaker 1: seeing that they couldn't heal me up because I was
Speaker 1: using my strength to get off the line. But I
Speaker 1: couldn't be one dimensional in order to expand my game.
Speaker 1: There had to be a lot of film study on
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of pride in that too,
Speaker 1: because we had to go in there and watch the
Speaker 1: film on what we did like an hour ago, and
Speaker 1: to get himmed up in front of my peers and
Speaker 1: watch Jerry do it effortless. J J. Stokes do it effortless,
Speaker 1: Nate Singleton effortless, and these other receivers. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: gotta get better somehow. So there were times after that,
Speaker 1: once I started putting things together, I started really kind
Speaker 1: of working on my craft, standing out the practice, using
Speaker 1: my hands, start doing things with my feet, drills to
Speaker 1: kind of you know, because I wanted to do like
Speaker 1: those shifty guys are fast, quick guys. That's that's those
Speaker 1: things that I watched because I tried to pick something
Speaker 1: from this receiver, something from that receiver receiver and try
Speaker 1: to incorporate into my game. It's almost like you're I'm
Speaker 1: trying to create a player, and I created t o
Speaker 1: And so for me, there there were times, dude, where yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt unstoppable. There were a key match up, there
Speaker 1: were guys like that. I worked so hard in practice
Speaker 1: that I knew that in the game. Yeah, there're gonna
Speaker 1: be some difficult times. There's gonna be some times for
Speaker 1: me to man up, for me to be the guy
Speaker 1: from my team. There's gonna be go to plays. There
Speaker 1: are times where I had to, you know, be a decoy.
Speaker 1: But I I as my as my years progressed, I
Speaker 1: learned how to be not just one dimensional. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I faced Champ Bailier career, Charles Woods, but
Speaker 1: I those guys were the top guys at that time.
Speaker 1: That the most difficult guy that I had a heart,
Speaker 1: that I had a time with was Aeneas Williams. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of dude, he's he's he's he's crafty, smart.
Speaker 1: You can tell he studies film, and that's what it's
Speaker 1: all about. I mean, to perfect your craft, that's has
Speaker 1: to be a little film study with everything. But then
Speaker 1: but when I when I got on the field, I
Speaker 1: had to make it look easy. But that was that
Speaker 1: became because of the preparation that I had practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you said, when you play when you were younger,
Speaker 1: you picked a few players, um, and you can piece
Speaker 1: together and create a t o name a few guys
Speaker 1: in the league right now that you would do that with, Oh,
Speaker 1: right now, you look at Antonio Brown, he's real shifty,
Speaker 1: quick separation. Um. I mean you look at Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1: He possesses some of the things that I do in
Speaker 1: terms of the measurables and size, uh hand right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't one of those guys that were just able
Speaker 1: to have a lot of body control, jump up and
Speaker 1: just do crazy stuff like you're like your Roy Williams,
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day for Detroit, like this
Speaker 1: guy making one hand catches like your Odel Boat Landry. Uh.
Speaker 1: These are guys now that I see, like yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they have some some uncanny ability to track this
Speaker 1: ball down, catch it with one hand and again like
Speaker 1: now it's it's it's a good thing, but it's a
Speaker 1: bad thing too, because now kids are going out trying
Speaker 1: to make one hand catches when they you know, you
Speaker 1: get into games. It's if they start to practice one
Speaker 1: hand catches, then now you're you're trying to make up
Speaker 1: one hand catch when you should put you drop it
Speaker 1: when you could put two hands on it. But everybody
Speaker 1: don't possess that. They don't possess that ability like your
Speaker 1: old All Beckham. That's that's that's a gift you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And now he's I think now he's
Speaker 1: starting to to realize that that one that one catches
Speaker 1: put him on the map, so to speak. Now he
Speaker 1: has to he has to transcend, transition that and put
Speaker 1: it into one bag to be a complete receiver just
Speaker 1: like he did last night, and and be a game breaker,
Speaker 1: a game changer. To you, how important I'm gonn kind
Speaker 1: of flip the script a little bit. How important is
Speaker 1: a QB and receivers relationships? Oh? I mean it is
Speaker 1: and it isn't because there are situations where I didn't
Speaker 1: particularly have the best relationships at times with my quarterback,
Speaker 1: but I didn't elect I didn't let that affect how
Speaker 1: I went out and prepared and how I played in
Speaker 1: the football field. There were times like, yeah, Donovan and
Speaker 1: I didn't really get along. There were times where Jeff
Speaker 1: and I didn't get along, or the head coach and
Speaker 1: I didn't get along, but I didn't let that affect me.
Speaker 1: And for me, that that shows you how professional I was.
Speaker 1: That's a consummate professional that I blocked all those distractions
Speaker 1: out and still went out on the football field and
Speaker 1: performed because I knew that whatever the situation was if
Speaker 1: I went out there and didn't perform and play up
Speaker 1: to the capabilities, then it was gonna be on my shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, all the negativity was gonna
Speaker 1: be on my shoulder. So I didn't give the media
Speaker 1: anything to run with. All they can do is it
Speaker 1: didn't matter. How weird is that? Like, like because I
Speaker 1: played quarterback before, right, and how weird is yeah? I played? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I played it. Wait wait wait, wait, check us out
Speaker 1: and the wait hold on, hold up, let me get
Speaker 1: the people all right, all right ahead. But there's you
Speaker 1: know that there's those conversations sometimes you gotta have where
Speaker 1: it's like, if you don't like me, that conversation you
Speaker 1: have to be. That's a lot of self control on
Speaker 1: your part to be able to still go out there
Speaker 1: and communicate, do your sight of just still do all
Speaker 1: all the things that's that's required of that chemistry. People
Speaker 1: always talk about, I mean, how it's just how were
Speaker 1: you able to do that? Bro? Like I just because
Speaker 1: I knew for me, Bro, I was playing a sport
Speaker 1: and I was competing at a high level with some
Speaker 1: of the greatest people that have ever played the game.
Speaker 1: And I'm playing a sport that I really didn't have
Speaker 1: a passion for any aspiration to play, but I was
Speaker 1: playing it just as good as they were, if not better.
Speaker 1: So for me, when I what I was doing and
Speaker 1: what people are saying on that field every Sunday Monday,
Speaker 1: it was a treat. So for me, I knew that
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind, like if I go
Speaker 1: out there and screw up and not play up to
Speaker 1: my capability, it just really validates what any analysts may
Speaker 1: say on Monday morning about what they thought they heard
Speaker 1: or what they knew about me as a person. I
Speaker 1: didn't let that distract what or deterred what I had
Speaker 1: to do on the football field because my job in
Speaker 1: between those lines is to cast the ball, get to
Speaker 1: the end zone, help my team win. That was my motivation.
Speaker 1: That's how that was my preparation every off season. So
Speaker 1: when I know what I did in the off season,
Speaker 1: I know what I did in the off season. You
Speaker 1: could see it with my with with my body, and
Speaker 1: you saw it with what I did when I caught
Speaker 1: that ball and I got to the end zone. Before
Speaker 1: we get to this beat real quick, because you said
Speaker 1: my body and everybody knows you as a prolific athlete
Speaker 1: and steal in the shape two questions. One can you
Speaker 1: still play? And who you want to play? Yes? And
Speaker 1: yes given the fact it's under the right circumstances. You
Speaker 1: look at the rash of receiver injuries throughout the course,
Speaker 1: a lot of them of this of this season. Again,
Speaker 1: have I been actively you know, pursuing you know, this
Speaker 1: year to play. No. But people have come to me.
Speaker 1: I mean I've had the guy from Boston Globe reached
Speaker 1: out to part of some of my management, you know,
Speaker 1: and asked me like, what you know, are you seeing
Speaker 1: what's going on? You know, do you think you could
Speaker 1: be able you would be able to come in here
Speaker 1: and and and play or whatever. What's what's your what's
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that looking at that situation, Understanding that organization,
Speaker 1: understanding the coach. I mean, I know guys that have
Speaker 1: played for him, I know what they possibly could be
Speaker 1: thinking in terms of why they won't ring me in.
Speaker 1: But I'm not that same guy that I was ten
Speaker 1: years ago. You're talking we're talking about New England Patris, right,
Speaker 1: the New England patron. Yeah, I'm I'm a more mature person.
Speaker 1: I understand, you know, my pitfalls where I went wrong.
Speaker 1: What I could have done right? I could have gone
Speaker 1: should have went left, but I went right. And they're
Speaker 1: notorious for signing older players and being very productive with
Speaker 1: older players. So I e Randy Masson there when everybody
Speaker 1: thoughts careers over and off with ham. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We're gonna get back into relationships with players
Speaker 1: and coaches. Hey, TD, let me get one more beat
Speaker 1: real quick. This is good stuff, man. We can do
Speaker 1: this all day long. You want go to my production.
Speaker 1: Let's see, Mike, we got something. Okay, huh got scounts
Speaker 1: to it? Pop song right here? Uh yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: That's that missy on the trumps here mind yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: hey listen, we got to yo. He's the best to
Speaker 1: ever do it with that movement on the field like
Speaker 1: fluid water. And let slot get busy. He Be's turning
Speaker 1: the round. Got them boys kind of dizzy hard Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Be came with a new Okay, I wish I could wrap.
Speaker 1: I know I got that. Ain't what I do. I
Speaker 1: ain't got it in me. I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: Bee was gonna drop like that does oh different beats? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's a Vegas beat. Right here, man. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: have us turned up up in there. All right, So
Speaker 1: let's jump right back into the conversation. We got Taryll
Speaker 1: Loins in the building, not to rail Taryll for everybody
Speaker 1: out there, get it right, you know, and and much
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, this is this has been an honor. Uh,
Speaker 1: before I get into that question, because I want to
Speaker 1: dive back into receiver MP relationships. Uh. Like I said,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things I've done over my career.
Speaker 1: I celebrated it in Zone because I saw you do it. Um.
Speaker 1: I started branding myself because I saw you do it.
Speaker 1: My shirt right here is lying blood. I'm a Leo.
Speaker 1: This is my brand and straight up all no jokes aside. Um,
Speaker 1: I created my brand. And the thought that if Teo,
Speaker 1: because when you're in Dallas you had those shirts. I
Speaker 1: think you might have partnered with Rebok maybe I know,
Speaker 1: not reboked. You can't have Joan shirts. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: Joan brand, my bad Uh. And it was that I
Speaker 1: love me some I I I can't, I can't. I
Speaker 1: blocked everything and you guys was a hard knocks that year.
Speaker 1: And I remember you bringing these boxes out. I'm like
Speaker 1: this guy is about the great for training camp, He's
Speaker 1: about the great for a season. He has his own
Speaker 1: T shirt list, and I thought that was the dopest
Speaker 1: thing ever. And me as a young player. Now a
Speaker 1: few years down the line, I was in Detroit and
Speaker 1: I said, man, if TiO could do what I could
Speaker 1: do it, I created my own brand and now I man,
Speaker 1: you know like thirty stores in the Middle West. So
Speaker 1: thank you. I gotta pay hop to what you've done.
Speaker 1: I know, just like me, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: young guys watching you and just following them footsteps too
Speaker 1: big for my feet. Um, but I tried to stay
Speaker 1: as close to what you did as I could. So
Speaker 1: thank you once again. All Right, let's talk about QB relationships.
Speaker 1: I've had some good once to My favorite quarterback of
Speaker 1: all time that I played was Dante copepper uh. And
Speaker 1: the reason that is because when I got there, I
Speaker 1: was a wide eyed rookie lining up next to Randy Moss,
Speaker 1: starstruck every single day, just trying to make plays. And
Speaker 1: from the jump before I put up the thousand yards ere,
Speaker 1: he was opening his house up. A rook come to
Speaker 1: the house in your lady, were having a cookout. Just chill,
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself. He made me feel like I was in
Speaker 1: this family before I even showed him what I could do.
Speaker 1: So going on the field and trying to show him
Speaker 1: what I can do was like me saying thank you, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm your brother. You can count on me. If we
Speaker 1: in an alley, yeah, back to back it we're gonna
Speaker 1: throw these things. So I'm my question to you is,
Speaker 1: because you mentioned earlier you have some good relationships some
Speaker 1: strained relationships. Who was your favorite quarterback or who was
Speaker 1: the one you have the best relationship with and what
Speaker 1: was the most strained and why for both? Well, I
Speaker 1: think you know, for me, I played with a number
Speaker 1: of great quarterbacks, starting with you know, my first stop
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and that's Steve Young Um and his
Speaker 1: his career was was cut short um uh by the
Speaker 1: guy that I said that was one of my my
Speaker 1: nemesis as a dB, and that was the Nus William
Speaker 1: I was in the slot. He came off like a
Speaker 1: blitz and hit Steve and you know, concussion and he
Speaker 1: never rebounded rebounded, and so uh, definitely he's a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback. But I never really got to really
Speaker 1: maximize my potential with Steve, I think right as it
Speaker 1: was starting, he has got ended. So a lot of
Speaker 1: people ask me, why don't I say that he's my
Speaker 1: favorite quarterback because I only played like a few years
Speaker 1: with him. You know, Um, I got my feet wet
Speaker 1: with him. But after that, Jeff Garcia came in and
Speaker 1: he's a different style of quarterback. He wasn't your pocket passer, uh,
Speaker 1: strong arm quarterback. So we had to taylor our offense
Speaker 1: based on his skill his strengths, and so that was
Speaker 1: rolling out of the pocket. Understanding the West Coast offense.
Speaker 1: We have things, so you know, called the scramble drill,
Speaker 1: and wherever you are in on the football field, in
Speaker 1: relationship to the quarterback, you had a design route. So
Speaker 1: for me, I'm gonna I'm probably gonna trade mark this
Speaker 1: after after I say this. Um, But what I did
Speaker 1: with Jeff Garcia when that scrambled drill happened, I called
Speaker 1: it m y A. You have to make yourself available.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I did with quarterbacks like that
Speaker 1: that we're really shifty, quick made plays with their arm
Speaker 1: and with their feet. So if you look at a
Speaker 1: lot of my highlights, sometimes if you know, there were
Speaker 1: plays that broke down. I just had to get in
Speaker 1: relationship with the quarterback, get the ball. I made myself available,
Speaker 1: and then I did something with it after that. So
Speaker 1: Jeff I could say he was instrumental in a lot
Speaker 1: of my success. But we complimented each other, and that's
Speaker 1: what I liked about. I didn't think that I was
Speaker 1: better than him, or I didn't think that he thought
Speaker 1: he was better than me. So when I went over
Speaker 1: to Philly, it started out good. It was a great
Speaker 1: marriage in the beginning, but then there was something that
Speaker 1: happened with Donovan and I our relationship, and so for me,
Speaker 1: it got strained somewhere along the way. But I think
Speaker 1: it was It wasn't really so much due to what
Speaker 1: I was doing, but I think it was how the
Speaker 1: city embraced me, because I think he still held onto
Speaker 1: some resentment of how they booed him when he got
Speaker 1: Remember that they wanted Rickey Williams but the other than
Speaker 1: they got him. So when I got there, dude, the
Speaker 1: city was, Dude, it was on fire. Bro It was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many of that stadium seventy eight
Speaker 1: thou people. When I scored from the first play of
Speaker 1: scrimmage from my preseason we played the Ravens. The first
Speaker 1: playout the gate, six eighty one yards eighty one for
Speaker 1: eighty one. It's like, dude, it was. It was like
Speaker 1: it was. It was a perfect So when I started
Speaker 1: scoring left and right, bro, and the stadium is like
Speaker 1: the fans like t yo, T yo, t Dude, I
Speaker 1: can see where it kind of rubbing the remember right,
Speaker 1: It's good for the both of us. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I I didn't think any I didn't think anything of it. Dude.
Speaker 1: I was going out there doing what they brought me
Speaker 1: in there to do. That was to make plays. So
Speaker 1: how he saw me and how the fans saw me
Speaker 1: that was something personal. I think it was something that
Speaker 1: like not only my teammates saw it, but parts of
Speaker 1: the management they saw it as well. They brought it
Speaker 1: to my attention that they I think he felt a little,
Speaker 1: a little envy, a little jealousy there. But for me, dude,
Speaker 1: I was just coming there and doing my job, doing
Speaker 1: my thing, and so again that the relation got strained
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um for what I did. I I
Speaker 1: got injured late in the season. Um, it was a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. I mean they had been to the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship four times prior to me getting there, and you
Speaker 1: need I had a relationship with Andy Reid. He told
Speaker 1: me he coming here like, you're the piece that we
Speaker 1: need to get over the hump. We need a playmaker
Speaker 1: on the outside that could stretch, that could stretch the field,
Speaker 1: blow the top off. And I did a little bit
Speaker 1: of I did any I did everything. I went across
Speaker 1: the middle, when deep short, it didn't matter. So when
Speaker 1: I went in there, I brought that swagger to the
Speaker 1: team stemming from what I had done eight years in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Brian Dawkins said it himself when I didn't
Speaker 1: play in those two the three uh the rest of
Speaker 1: the season and then those two playoff games to get
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, I heard him say, he's like
Speaker 1: what I had brought to them that season it carried
Speaker 1: over when I didn't play in the playoff games. I
Speaker 1: provided swagger that probably guys didn't realize that they had,
Speaker 1: but I exuded that confidence and that's what I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew what I possessed, and I knew
Speaker 1: what I was coming in there to. Dude, that was
Speaker 1: to help to get get the team to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I didn't play in those those playoff games, but ultimately
Speaker 1: what I did is I provided that spark. I provided
Speaker 1: something in them that they didn't have. And so for
Speaker 1: me again, I played with Ryan Fitzpatrick. I can say,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said a couple of times like he
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite guys to play with. Looks
Speaker 1: like a fun dude. And the thing is, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the way Brandon Marshall relationship is. People don't They
Speaker 1: probably don't know he went to Harvard. He's a very
Speaker 1: cerebral quarterback. And I and the reason I say this
Speaker 1: because I can go back to that season and Buffalo.
Speaker 1: They had Trent Edwards. They wanted Trent Overs to be
Speaker 1: the guy, but he just didn't possess whatever they saw
Speaker 1: on him and he never turned out to be what
Speaker 1: he turned wanted wanted them wanted him to be. So
Speaker 1: when there was a couple of injuries that happened, Ryan
Speaker 1: fitzpractri stepped in. Prior to that, dude, my my stats
Speaker 1: were very dismal, like they weren't up to park. But
Speaker 1: once Ryan Fitzpatrick got it, I got a veteran quarterback
Speaker 1: that I felt like I could relate with and he
Speaker 1: understood what I was there to do and provide it
Speaker 1: for that team. Once he got to dude, my stats
Speaker 1: went through the roof. I remember the Jackson Field game.
Speaker 1: We're on the two yard line. Anybody knows first and
Speaker 1: ten or whatever on the two. We're trying to run
Speaker 1: the court. Give it to your guy. Let's get some
Speaker 1: room so we can, you know, open the offense up
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I lined up to the to
Speaker 1: the right. It's gonna be a running play. But I
Speaker 1: see that none art Yeah, before that, I see the
Speaker 1: safety sneaking down because he's trying to stop the run.
Speaker 1: Nobody on the top. I'm one on one with the corner.
Speaker 1: He made a check. He looked at me. I understood
Speaker 1: what in my mind, I'm a veteran. I've been here
Speaker 1: for I've been understand like, okay, this is what it's
Speaker 1: like to be on one accord with your quarterback. I
Speaker 1: got the corner on me. I'm seeing this. The safety
Speaker 1: sneak down, cheap down. He made a check of the line,
Speaker 1: didn't create any fuss, any any any inkling or clue
Speaker 1: that what we were doing. He made a check the
Speaker 1: the guys up front knew what to do, threw me
Speaker 1: on the street nine eight yards later at six that game,
Speaker 1: I think I think I may have had like either
Speaker 1: two hundred yards or close to two hundred yards. That
Speaker 1: was because we understood each other. That was a report
Speaker 1: that was being developed by just the veteran leadership of him,
Speaker 1: the cerebral mine of both of us, understanding what we
Speaker 1: both possessed and what I was there to do, and
Speaker 1: like we we we fed off each other. Prime example
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall this past weekend White O mental screamers. Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: didn't make a fun out there touchdown. A few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: Colin Kappernick had the same thing happened. He snapped the
Speaker 1: ball and handed the ball off, didn't hit the guys
Speaker 1: take a shot. I'm just giving him a hard time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But if ever a guy that's that's prepared and not prepared, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When you go up there, dude,
Speaker 1: you gotta assess the field. That's what I mean. Football.
Speaker 1: You can't be so locked into where you can't really
Speaker 1: see see everything going on. T D you got a beat.
Speaker 1: We're gonna lock this up with them. Man. We could
Speaker 1: do this all day bro, tell them, tell them in
Speaker 1: the production be we're gonna be a little bit later
Speaker 1: at what questions. You gotta go down there and make
Speaker 1: it happen. Yeah, oh, this sist like Rockefeller, Little Rockefeller,
Speaker 1: Mr Rock Which one we wrap out? I don't know,
Speaker 1: my man. I mean, man rapper about rap rap Cam
Speaker 1: Newton man right now, damn about Cam. Ain't nobody in
Speaker 1: the league playing like the man. He out there like
Speaker 1: you can't see me a school. I'm gonna look like
Speaker 1: the m v P six five standing real talk getting
Speaker 1: the end zone and the kids the ball try to
Speaker 1: say he can't do that. Come on, man, when they
Speaker 1: do that, they just hey, give me something. You stop hating.
Speaker 1: I'm spitting these boards and you anser the patent to
Speaker 1: the game. Don't relate to the lanes. Just keep doing
Speaker 1: your thing. Bang bang, okay, end it off like that
Speaker 1: bangs the thugs just listening. Thus, Yeah, alright, man, let's
Speaker 1: talk about off the field, man, because we could talk
Speaker 1: about on the field this whole time. So you know
Speaker 1: before you answer, so I know the new you know
Speaker 1: line for my line, the podcast slash T O T
Speaker 1: shirt line. We got the m y A shirts in
Speaker 1: the in the Triple D shirts, right, you know, saying
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna take my you go ahead and take
Speaker 1: the rest. Mike, you cut out because you didn't come up. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but what do you got going on now? Just talk
Speaker 1: about being out here in Los Angeles? Um, what's in
Speaker 1: the future? I mean, I mean, I think everybody knows that.
Speaker 1: You know, I've always kept myself in shape and I
Speaker 1: should be somewhat involved in some fitness something. Uh So
Speaker 1: I have a product coming out with the with the
Speaker 1: buddy of mine, is called bodyboard access as a board
Speaker 1: with some resistant bands. Um, target your core and put
Speaker 1: me on the resistance bands. And you don't even know
Speaker 1: you did it. He was doing I ain't even way
Speaker 1: before that. You I saw you know, I saw you
Speaker 1: do an interview about it, Bro, and I bought me bands.
Speaker 1: I carn with me everywhere I go. BRO. Appreciate you
Speaker 1: so explained body board And there's a little attachment that
Speaker 1: you you you you add to the board and it
Speaker 1: really creates a lot of instability once you get on
Speaker 1: the board. So there's gonna be a lot of exercise
Speaker 1: how to activate. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna naturally do it.
Speaker 1: You know, and then you can add the resistant bands
Speaker 1: and create monster workouts hopefully. I mean it's in it's
Speaker 1: in the works right now. So we're waiting on my
Speaker 1: guy to to to get all the business stuff handled.
Speaker 1: But most importantly and most passionately that I've been working
Speaker 1: on probably the almost a year now is my my
Speaker 1: fashion line, my clothing line. And it's called Prototype eight one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what I that. That's that's that's my passion
Speaker 1: at the moment. So it's gonna be It's it's called
Speaker 1: ath leisure. I think a lot of that's where a
Speaker 1: lot of the fitness clothes and uh fashion is going
Speaker 1: now is the athletisure wearing. So what that is It
Speaker 1: has an athletic look, is casual, it's comfy, um, but
Speaker 1: yet fashion forward. It's something where especially it's men's and
Speaker 1: women's uh, something that you may possibly could wear to
Speaker 1: the gym, but you could also wear it out. You
Speaker 1: can go day shopping, you can wear it, you know where,
Speaker 1: to the drinks right absolutely and not really feel out
Speaker 1: of place. Um. So it's it's gonna be real, real,
Speaker 1: real casual, real fashion forward. And so that's what I'm
Speaker 1: doing right That's what's up man? You got that out
Speaker 1: right now, it's in the process. So and I'm learning
Speaker 1: that hind the scenes you've been working. I'm going in
Speaker 1: the fabric stores. I'm hands with it exactly. I've been
Speaker 1: seeing stuff offense between you know, p kay, price points,
Speaker 1: that what you buy it for, all of that, man,
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, it's uh yeah, that's spandex ra tribelins.
Speaker 1: I mean, so yeah, man, that's that's what what I'm
Speaker 1: doing now. So trust me, it's coming. Before we leave,
Speaker 1: you go. I want to know what was your coolest
Speaker 1: celebrity moment? Probably meeting Michael Jordan's and I remember exactly
Speaker 1: where I was. She was sponsored by Jordan. Yeah at
Speaker 1: one point time. Yeah, after that, I didn't know um
Speaker 1: after meeting him, Um, I think I can't remember what
Speaker 1: the year was, but it was when the All Star
Speaker 1: Game was in Atlanta, and I remember I think it
Speaker 1: may have been uh Keith West Club at the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about everybody was trying to get in
Speaker 1: this club. I mean it was dark in there, so
Speaker 1: I had no idea where I was. And so i'm
Speaker 1: I'm in the Vicinity and they said, man, that's Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's so. So I went over and I introduced myself
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, how you doing, Mike This Terry Like,
Speaker 1: oh man, you know Michael super friendly. You know, man,
Speaker 1: I know who you are. Feel said that, dude, that
Speaker 1: what took my game to another left and I didn't
Speaker 1: even know it. I feel, you know, it's the best feeling.
Speaker 1: This is Michael Jordan. Bro, Michael, Michael Michael Eric Jordan's
Speaker 1: a Michael feel like I'm a little kid when you
Speaker 1: when you say that. For him to say I already
Speaker 1: know who you are, Bro, solidified I probably levitated off
Speaker 1: the ground and didn't even know it, Bro. Because literally,
Speaker 1: for me, that I was like, wow, Like I played
Speaker 1: it cool. When I went home, man, I told my
Speaker 1: mom and I was like, I met Michael Jordan and
Speaker 1: I told him this whole described and I'm like, he
Speaker 1: said he knew who I was already. So for me, dude,
Speaker 1: that was like a step a step in the direction
Speaker 1: of I had kind of arrived. You know. I'm saying
Speaker 1: for somebody like Michael Jordan to say he already knew you, dude,
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was unreal what you got
Speaker 1: fun A little story when I'm from actually played at
Speaker 1: the same gym you did back in the day at
Speaker 1: the Crunch playing hoops. Oh man, right there, bucket all
Speaker 1: day long. He was about to say that did he
Speaker 1: give you some buckets? I mean you brought up the
Speaker 1: story like he was leaving when my team got on,
Speaker 1: so oh you ran him off. What you're saying. We
Speaker 1: won the next four or five games, right. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, you let me tell you what something interesting
Speaker 1: about me and my career, and and the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like knowing what I what I'm
Speaker 1: about to tell you, Like if I would have really
Speaker 1: focused on it, dude, there's no telling what my career
Speaker 1: would have been like. But the first eight years, bro,
Speaker 1: I never ran a route in the off season. What
Speaker 1: not one? You just did speed training or I didn't
Speaker 1: even do speed training. All I did was lift weights
Speaker 1: and played basketball. That's all I did. Play basketball. You
Speaker 1: know that. You know that's how I love basketball. Still,
Speaker 1: what you feel like you could play in the NBA
Speaker 1: on what I know? Let me see. Let me finish
Speaker 1: my thought. Though. The first time I got on the
Speaker 1: football field during the off season was when I went
Speaker 1: to Philly, and that was where they tried to adopt
Speaker 1: or really just tell me, Okay, we gotta have some
Speaker 1: chemistry with you and Donovan. So I was coming in,
Speaker 1: like I said, I had gotten signed in the off
Speaker 1: season or what have you, so we had some catching
Speaker 1: up to do so they won't just kind of hit
Speaker 1: the field running so literally, like during the off season
Speaker 1: Donovan lived in Arizona, he had called up some guys
Speaker 1: like Yo, let's no, no, let's go, let's work. We
Speaker 1: were running around. That was my first time. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: let's get on the fields for me. I'm like huh,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, all right, I'll do it. So those
Speaker 1: are some of the things that, like I said, I
Speaker 1: never did with Steve Young, you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: never did with Jeff Garcia or Elvis Gerbach, remember him.
Speaker 1: Tim we the times that the times we got together
Speaker 1: was in training camp or O t as. That was
Speaker 1: the only time that I spent but in the off seas.
Speaker 1: That was my first time ever. That was going into
Speaker 1: my ninth season. Is when I ran my first route
Speaker 1: during OVI. See really practicing developing some chemistry, trying to
Speaker 1: get some timing down with my quarterback. That is crazy, man.
Speaker 1: That makes it I'm telling you that, and I thought
Speaker 1: about that not too long ago. I'm like, I never,
Speaker 1: I never really did that. And listen, we're gonna hopefully
Speaker 1: at one point we can get you back here. And
Speaker 1: we didn't even gonna be the host. We gonna have
Speaker 1: you sitting. We're gonna be off in the cut. You
Speaker 1: run the show. Get to a t O Part two.
Speaker 1: If you damn bro, this is honor um. Thank you
Speaker 1: man t D give us a bet. We're gonna arap
Speaker 1: this up Man's R and B podcast. Ain't that was?
Speaker 1: That was dope? Man? Like that? That was dope. Wrong.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. You get a picture too before we wrap. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: this is smooth to stamp, like, yeah, I'll twisted that
Speaker 1: hats Hey, it's like you nineties news video. Oh the
Speaker 1: rast was slipt you hi and hello everybody, Dave damna here.
Speaker 1: What's happening? Like, well, football is what's happening in the playoffs?
Speaker 1: Are nine people in Cincinnati are concerned about a J. Mccaren.
Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers are feeling good about Cam Newton. Maybe
Speaker 1: they should take a loss before the post arrived. They
Speaker 1: should keep it going. Let's talk about that and let's
Speaker 1: also talk about just how bad Matt Ryan's looked over
Speaker 1: the last couple of months. We're gonna do it for
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