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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I'm joined by the
Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, a lot of them. So I
Speaker 1: left Colleen Wolf good to have her back to my right,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, what's up? People a now and one other
Speaker 1: person in the room. Oh yeah, he's the moral conscience
Speaker 1: of the news team. But also you wanna have glass
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Speaker 1: a big day. He is NFL Network Zone Round Georgian
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Speaker 1: heard his voice. Steve Weich, Baby, Welcome to the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Pody. This is like this music is like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's perfect, and it's like so Miami Vice
Speaker 1: that crocket tub are like in a real down moment
Speaker 1: that these blew a bust. I'm sitting dock side like
Speaker 1: smoken Butts like almost had him. I'm sad you don't
Speaker 1: have sunglasses on right now. That could be a r
Speaker 1: Yeah you can make it happened, you know, or the
Speaker 1: T shirt underneath the sport I actually you kind of
Speaker 1: have a bit of a Tub's vibe like I could
Speaker 1: see you when we're not you know, I'm not going
Speaker 1: with the uh the soul brother. No, no moral conscience
Speaker 1: though that's interesting that that's how you sell at the company.
Speaker 1: I see Steve as the guy when we can we
Speaker 1: can kill it nowork, but if she enjoyed. I see
Speaker 1: Steve as the guy when we have something serious breaks
Speaker 1: and Steve covers all the football news. Great as well,
Speaker 1: of course, but when something heavy is going on and
Speaker 1: and end up, a network needs somebody to give a
Speaker 1: steady hand. Of course, Richies needs the face and all that.
Speaker 1: But in the closer, in the news room and everything,
Speaker 1: Steve White hand for us. That's what happens. You're in
Speaker 1: the back nine alife, Dan, when you know you're an
Speaker 1: empty nester, you kind of get that, you get that
Speaker 1: fiber growing inside. You need an adult to speak up
Speaker 1: on something you get, you get. It's a very calming
Speaker 1: voice to do. Not let the smooth taste. As Billy
Speaker 1: de once said, so this is good. We've done like
Speaker 1: six hundred episodes of the show, so whenever we could
Speaker 1: have a new foursome, it's a different show. It's a
Speaker 1: fun show. So we got Connie to have Steve and Connie.
Speaker 1: You we haven't seen you in a while. We were
Speaker 1: in Orlando last week. I know I heard where were you?
Speaker 1: What was I was not there. I was having a
Speaker 1: lot of fomo while you guys were gone. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I had to do other things. I you know,
Speaker 1: I had to assimilate back into life, like society. But
Speaker 1: I'm watching shows again. I just started watching Grace and Frankie.
Speaker 1: I watched like five hours of Snapps yesterday, so I've
Speaker 1: been really busy. Yeah, five five hours Snapped. That is away,
Speaker 1: not the bench. I feel like Snapped was the show
Speaker 1: when the woman goes nuts and kills her husband. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that is in some episodes, but all of that,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's the girlfriend, yeah, or the boyfriend is gonza
Speaker 1: okay with us? He was at work, he laughed and
Speaker 1: I turned on Snapped. Come tell me, just staring straight
Speaker 1: ahead in the darkened living room. What did I do wrong?
Speaker 1: So all right, it's good to see you again, Connie.
Speaker 1: Connie a weekly presence in the off season, as you
Speaker 1: were during the regular series. Yeah, just always a weekly presence. Hero, Greg,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm great. I'm just excited, you know,
Speaker 1: to have this crew here. You know, we missed Marky's
Speaker 1: somewhere over the Pacific right now, or the Atlantic. However,
Speaker 1: you get to Germany, he's on a plane that's going.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do one of those U s O tours, Steve?
Speaker 1: I have not, So that's great. He's got a chance
Speaker 1: to do that. That's good doing that right now? You
Speaker 1: know that not the only thing I asked Mark because
Speaker 1: he's had some issues with Rex Ryan over the year.
Speaker 1: Rex is on the tour as well. Clean Slate and
Speaker 1: you know, get to know Rex and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: How did Sessler at this gig? You know Mark? He
Speaker 1: wanders around sometimes all of a sudden, Mark's not around
Speaker 1: where Marco. He's on the third floor schmoozing, getting set
Speaker 1: up for different trips. Mark likes to be out of
Speaker 1: the nest himself, and what better way than under the
Speaker 1: guise of work, be criss crossing across the world. I
Speaker 1: hope he's instagramming. That's all I care about. Will. He
Speaker 1: texted me this weekend and asked He sent me a
Speaker 1: picture of fifteen different photo apps and said, am I
Speaker 1: missing any from my trip? And I said, yeah, try
Speaker 1: this one there's that. Also we call him the quiet
Speaker 1: Storm Steve for a lot of reasons, but also quiet
Speaker 1: ambition Mark. He wants to get that message out there,
Speaker 1: and you know, best of luck to him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love the tech savvyiness Sessler. Coming up on today's show, Uh,
Speaker 1: some news about Rob Gronkowski. We will also talk about
Speaker 1: this controversy with Josh Rosen and Colleen I know you're
Speaker 1: doing work on Path to the Draft, uh and his
Speaker 1: former college coach, Um and we'll get into that. Also.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is a good one. Power rankings, but
Speaker 1: it's the Feeling themselves power rankings. Yeah. I love this,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into what exactly that means. But the
Speaker 1: Feeling Themselves power rankings coming up today, And I feel
Speaker 1: like I would say my only promises, because I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna listen, is just don't skip ahead twenty minutes
Speaker 1: or so to get to it. We've got some good
Speaker 1: news coming up. We got some trusted news minds. Connie Fox,
Speaker 1: you are on fire right now. Of course, you know
Speaker 1: you're breaking news in the studio with Mr Mora. You're
Speaker 1: oh okay, yeah, I am. We've got a good team here, Greg.
Speaker 1: This might just have to become the permanent team some
Speaker 1: hardtations it happened. Let's do some news now, my king
Speaker 1: progress coming to join, dark acclaiming pursa, but it's Nioletti.
Speaker 1: She's tough out in Fronk Gronkowski near side, hartop work
Speaker 1: perse right on the far side, and then dark acclaimed
Speaker 1: Nioletti hanging top iconic sunset, staying on, Gronkowski un rallying,
Speaker 1: dark acclaiming Gronkowski la side running rail from personal iconic sunset.
Speaker 1: It's Gronkowski's staying on with darker claim but it's Gronkowski
Speaker 1: doing enough. Could he be Kentucky Toby bound? Gronkowski won
Speaker 1: the Bourbon Stakes. There you go, I requested the whole thing.
Speaker 1: By the way, Gregor Horse named Rob Gronkowski the full name. Uh.
Speaker 1: He will raise in the Kentucky Derby this weekend or
Speaker 1: on May fifth, excuse me next month after winning the
Speaker 1: burah Don Steaks in England on Friday. So that was
Speaker 1: kind of cool. I'm kind of sad that he didn't
Speaker 1: shorten it to Gronk. So maybe by the time he
Speaker 1: gets to what's the first one, would you say? Preakness?
Speaker 1: What's the first of all? Up? Kentucky Dirt. Oh the
Speaker 1: derby right right, Uh, Prenkness is the only one I've
Speaker 1: actual he's been to. So hopefully by the time the
Speaker 1: Derby comes around, maybe they'll start calling him Gronk. I
Speaker 1: can't wait till the like the pregame bit where they
Speaker 1: have like Gronk the horse, take the same test as
Speaker 1: Gronk the person, and like see who answers market questions correctly?
Speaker 1: So by the way, the horse itself Rob Gronkowski, Uh one,
Speaker 1: I guess it's a race analyst in that industry. He's
Speaker 1: a lovely horse, very quiet, a complete gentleman. You call
Speaker 1: horses a gentleman? H that guy, does you know? But
Speaker 1: that dude, Well, Gronk will be at the derby, I'm uh,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about Gronk. Now, we'll start there, because
Speaker 1: of course, it's the rumors and reports we're percolating right
Speaker 1: after Super Bowl fifty two that Gronk may be ready
Speaker 1: to retire. However, ESPN Jeff Darlington reported uh this weekend
Speaker 1: that sources close to him say he has recently expressed
Speaker 1: that he is more likely to continue his football career
Speaker 1: than retire at twenty eight years old, However, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean necessarily, Steve, if if you continue to read into
Speaker 1: what's going on around the Patriots and Rob Wronkowski that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a member of the Pats, you buying
Speaker 1: this at all? That he could actually be moved in
Speaker 1: a trade. Well, he could be moved and Mr Patriots,
Speaker 1: they could care less, but this would be devastating if
Speaker 1: they decided to do that. First off, the ransom would
Speaker 1: be significant, and no one's I don't think anyone, maybe
Speaker 1: say for maybe the bottom six picks which traded a
Speaker 1: first round for Rob Gronkowsky, an older guy who had
Speaker 1: some injuries. If you're the Atlanta Falcons, you gotta sniff
Speaker 1: around that, maybe giving up your your late first round
Speaker 1: draft pick, because that's a position where if they had
Speaker 1: that it would be a rap um. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I just I just don't see it. I I have
Speaker 1: you know, we can say whatever you want about the
Speaker 1: Patriots and Gronk not like in Belichick. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's too many guys like Belichick, but they're winning championships
Speaker 1: and there's something to say to say for that son,
Speaker 1: and Gronk's not happy about it. He's still coming back
Speaker 1: to play, and I think he's gonna be with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I love that this is like a psychological game too.
Speaker 1: So the longer that Gronk doesn't feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like a psychological war between Gronk and Belichick is not
Speaker 1: an even magic No, it's not. It's not. But the
Speaker 1: more likely I feel like a trade is the longer
Speaker 1: he kind of draws this out like he's such a
Speaker 1: big personality, and obviously that's not something that is encouraged
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, So it's got to be something that's
Speaker 1: sort of weighed on him for a while too. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting it's April now and this is still a
Speaker 1: thing because he wants it to be a thing. That
Speaker 1: report was from our old colleague Jeff Darlington, who who
Speaker 1: said he was pretty certain Gronk would return. But that's
Speaker 1: not even a dent. So as different reporters have tried
Speaker 1: to kind of report throughout the off season like he'll
Speaker 1: he'll probably be back, like Gronk is the one or
Speaker 1: through his sources, it seems as like making it clear
Speaker 1: and trying to make the Patriots feel a little uncomfortable
Speaker 1: that he's not for sure. Yeah, that's a dangerous game
Speaker 1: to play because they control your fate and if they
Speaker 1: do trade you, they could really trade you to a
Speaker 1: place that's really life altering the terms of absolutely miserable.
Speaker 1: I mean, these things do happen. Yeah, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say you're talking about Jamie Collins exactly. You know
Speaker 1: there's something the things that could happen that way. But
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's just I mean, it's it's the Patriots.
Speaker 1: But my whole thing is we always say it's the Patriots,
Speaker 1: but doesn't doesn't it seem like the bricks. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not just being pulled out one at a time.
Speaker 1: Now seems like they're starting to fall. Well, if Gronk
Speaker 1: was traded, yeah, but I don't think. I think the
Speaker 1: rest of the movement that's happened this offseason has been
Speaker 1: very typical. They've had many worse off seasons. I would
Speaker 1: say in the Belichick Brady air where they lost a
Speaker 1: lot of people and then and they were fine. The
Speaker 1: problem is that they're they're just getting older at quarter
Speaker 1: that it's Tom Brady that's the problem. But Rob Gronkowski.
Speaker 1: People are taking this stuff seriously. At the owners mean,
Speaker 1: people were talking about There was some thought like maybe
Speaker 1: would Detroit be interested, certainly could use the tight end.
Speaker 1: Got a couple of former Patriots coaches there and GM.
Speaker 1: But I think he's untradeable because he doesn't know if
Speaker 1: he wants to play football anymore. So are you gonna
Speaker 1: trade for a guy who's kind of has an injury history,
Speaker 1: is talking about retirement and oh, by the way, if
Speaker 1: you trade for him, you have to make him the
Speaker 1: highest paid tight end in the league. I would think
Speaker 1: how much is it though, that he may not be
Speaker 1: sure if he wants to play football anymore, or if
Speaker 1: he's just done playing football for Bill belichicking in that
Speaker 1: building where it seems like he's bristling against how how
Speaker 1: you know the Patriot way and how crushing that is.
Speaker 1: He sent out an instagram when Amundola Danny Amadola signed
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins, and people read into this that the
Speaker 1: caption read be free, be happy like this idea. And
Speaker 1: we had we heard whispers in Orlando that that big
Speaker 1: names feel the crush of being under Bellichick year after
Speaker 1: year because it's a different type of scene. Maybe gron
Speaker 1: just wants a new start, and I would I would
Speaker 1: totally agree with I think back to when which one
Speaker 1: of his teammates jumped on his back and in a
Speaker 1: touchdown tell and he was like, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about this right and I can't. You know again, chance
Speaker 1: championships sooth championships soothed a lot of you know, but
Speaker 1: hurt feelings, so to speak. But maybe it's it's just
Speaker 1: kind of coming to a point, and maybe this Malcolm
Speaker 1: Butler thing trickled down. Maybe teammates, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: know what happened there, for teammates could say what he
Speaker 1: did really wasn't that bad, and they could pull that
Speaker 1: stuff on me just to prove a point. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: that's part of it. We don't It had been reported,
Speaker 1: you know, from Tom Kerran that Gronk was pretty unhappy
Speaker 1: with things that last training camp, that he was almost
Speaker 1: thinking of walking away from the team then because they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let him train in a certain way. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. The Patriots are't gonna trade him unless they
Speaker 1: got value for him, because he's the second best player
Speaker 1: on the team. And I don't I don't think another
Speaker 1: team is going to give up enough. Like if some
Speaker 1: team wanted to pay Gronk all that money and give
Speaker 1: a good draft pick. I think they would do it,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's gonna play first rounder and
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman from the Falcons, I would do that. I
Speaker 1: mean they would do that. I think maybe. Uh. Let's
Speaker 1: move on and talk about Josh Rosen, who uh is
Speaker 1: expected to go very early in the first round of
Speaker 1: the draft now this month, Oh my goodness, it's coming,
Speaker 1: and his former coach at U c l A, Jim
Speaker 1: Mora uh surprise people when on NFL Net, Sorry go ahead,
Speaker 1: I think he said, okay, if I can go ahead
Speaker 1: of This is from the Patriots discussion, I think from it, Uh.
Speaker 1: He Jim Morris surprised people by saying, quote fit explained
Speaker 1: why he preferred Sam Donald or why he believed that
Speaker 1: Sam Donald would fit in better with the Browns than
Speaker 1: his own ex player, and that got some traction. Then
Speaker 1: he comes on or then he speaks with Peter King
Speaker 1: at Monday Morning Quarterback and gets into the millennial angle.
Speaker 1: Has this to say, Uh, he needs to be challenged intellectual,
Speaker 1: intellectually so he doesn't get bored. He's a millennial. He
Speaker 1: wants to know why Millennials once they know why, they're
Speaker 1: good Josh has a lot of interest in life. If
Speaker 1: you could hold his concentration level and focus only on
Speaker 1: football for a few years, he will set the world
Speaker 1: on fire. Rosen for his part, and you know you
Speaker 1: could can act the dots here tweeted out right before
Speaker 1: we went on today, why question mark a shrug emoji
Speaker 1: hashtag why Colleen will start with you on this one.
Speaker 1: You are on set with Mr Maura, he's a colleague.
Speaker 1: You spoke to him about this situation. Uh, what was
Speaker 1: your vibe on more where he's come from? Because he's
Speaker 1: kind of getting killed right now? Right? So okay, Uh, Jim,
Speaker 1: we we've talked about this a lot, and um, Jim
Speaker 1: Morris said, you know, he's known Josh Rosen since Josh
Speaker 1: was about fourteen years old. He's like watched him grow up.
Speaker 1: He knows him really, really well. And what he was
Speaker 1: basically saying is in order for him to succeed, the
Speaker 1: best situation situation for him to succeed is to be
Speaker 1: surrounded by a coaching staff that is going to challenge
Speaker 1: him and the coaching staff that he is going to
Speaker 1: respect and respect in terms of their football knowledge. So
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have that, then it's not it's not
Speaker 1: going to be a good situation for him because he's
Speaker 1: going to maybe check out. And that's I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that he the Jim said that he's going to check out,
Speaker 1: but that's sort of what I gathered from it, that
Speaker 1: he needs to be surrounded by the perfect situation, and
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of tells me he's first off
Speaker 1: at u c l A, maybe had some coaches that
Speaker 1: he didn't respect that he checked out on. I know
Speaker 1: Jim Well, I covered him when I covered the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1: I covered Jim's whole tenure there, which was started out
Speaker 1: like Gangbusters, went through the NC Championship game, lose to
Speaker 1: the your your Philadelphia Eagles, and then it kind of
Speaker 1: going on there with Michael Well. I mean, well, Mike
Speaker 1: and Jim had a great conversation with a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on separately between them, um and unfortunately Jim,
Speaker 1: when he talks about things a lot trying to explain himself,
Speaker 1: another trap door opens and by him saying he's known
Speaker 1: him since he was fourteen. Okay, well, if you're John
Speaker 1: Dorsey or if you're Mike mccagney, like, oh well, he
Speaker 1: really knows him well, so if he's telling me, this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna check out if he doesn't like what's going
Speaker 1: on right here, that's not great. Now, most gms are
Speaker 1: not necessarily going to um hand to this, and some
Speaker 1: are actually going to appreciate this because so many times
Speaker 1: he's coaches will sit there all this guy is the
Speaker 1: greatest kid in the world and this and that he's
Speaker 1: gonna work hard. Then he gets gets to a club
Speaker 1: and he's a turd and he's lazy. Okay, So Jim
Speaker 1: is kind of letting everybody know, Okay, if you draft
Speaker 1: this guy, this is what you're gonna get. I don't
Speaker 1: think Cleveland's gonna take him at one, but Todd Haley
Speaker 1: is gonna keep him engaged. Whether it's positive, you're negatively okay.
Speaker 1: Is that going to happen anywhere else? We'll see. I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's some offensive cording his head coaches that
Speaker 1: aren't great, but he he will be challenged. He he will.
Speaker 1: I mean, we should worry about your head coaching staff
Speaker 1: if they're not challenging and intellectually stimulating the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying every coaching staff maybe is prepared
Speaker 1: for that they're not all great, but that's what you want.
Speaker 1: I mean, you want a quarterback that comes in there.
Speaker 1: I thought the the Destination Dallas segment that Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers did together, it was was really good
Speaker 1: stuff and it kind of maybe those are two similar
Speaker 1: types of players. That's what you want is someone that
Speaker 1: can question, that wants to know everything that those are
Speaker 1: some of the best quarterbacks of all time. And I
Speaker 1: think when you when you see this, I think that
Speaker 1: was a smart point to say, did he have some
Speaker 1: issues with the offensive coaches at some point? Steve at
Speaker 1: U c l A. I mean, there was not a
Speaker 1: successful run in the end under Josh Rosen and Jim
Speaker 1: Mora in U c l A. I think that should
Speaker 1: at least be point out. Jim Moore is no longer
Speaker 1: the U c l A head coach because it didn't
Speaker 1: it didn't go very well. That he didn't have enough
Speaker 1: success considering he had such a great quarterback. And Jim
Speaker 1: Mora really likes Rosen. I mean this is not to
Speaker 1: say that he doesn't think he's a good quarterback. He
Speaker 1: was just saying that that's the scenario where he would
Speaker 1: really flourish in and he did say he's, without a
Speaker 1: doubt the number one quarterback in the draft in his franchise.
Speaker 1: Changer in the same put him on the spot with that. So,
Speaker 1: just to wrap this up, coach, where do you rank
Speaker 1: him among your quarterbacks in his draft? Well, he was
Speaker 1: my quarterback number on my quarterbacks they pulled up fast one.
Speaker 1: Why why do you think you thought he would give
Speaker 1: you a different answer? Well? No, I mean yeah, why
Speaker 1: did you say because you don't like listening tears? I
Speaker 1: hate the sound of my voice. I have to hear
Speaker 1: it all the time. I did put that in on purpose.
Speaker 1: By the way, Greg, remember of the tribe Josh Rosen? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where you stand on him potentially being the greatest Jewish
Speaker 1: NFL player of all time? Who's he have to beat? Sid? Luckman?
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Hall of Famer, I think one
Speaker 1: of the one of the originals. Now I can't none
Speaker 1: of us are going to say like, oh wow, Sid
Speaker 1: was great back in the day. I mean, who knows
Speaker 1: what that guy looked like. One of my favorite things
Speaker 1: the combine. When I talked to Josh Rosen, how you
Speaker 1: know everybody knows how he had a hot tub in
Speaker 1: his dorm room. You guys, did you see that? So
Speaker 1: when I was talking to him about it, he said
Speaker 1: that at first he ordered it and he gets a
Speaker 1: call one day from his mom and his mom was like,
Speaker 1: did you order a hot tub? So I guess he
Speaker 1: ordered it from like Amazon and sent it to his
Speaker 1: house instead of his dorm, and so that she drove
Speaker 1: it over to him. The story. I was like, my hero,
Speaker 1: it's carpet. I mean, it's like he knows who he is.
Speaker 1: He's a U. C l A. Let's live it up.
Speaker 1: I mean that more. I think got in trouble with
Speaker 1: the MQB stuff just because of the millennial stuff. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like pipe down with with the millennial, like
Speaker 1: that you've somehow got a great read on this generation
Speaker 1: of of people just because he asked a lot of questions. No,
Speaker 1: I think I think being curious. I think that that
Speaker 1: translates across generations. Different people have different persons. You're you've
Speaker 1: raised slash raising a millennial yourself, Steve multiple So do
Speaker 1: you know what he's saying when he's explaining that they
Speaker 1: want to know why and what does that? I don't
Speaker 1: even know that. I wish my kids would want to
Speaker 1: know why yeah, I think it means that they're going
Speaker 1: to cut the cord and just go to Netflix all
Speaker 1: the time. You know, it's interesting with quarterbacks because I've
Speaker 1: covered a lot of them, and I've had several players
Speaker 1: and GM say like some some guy's function well being
Speaker 1: told what to do. Other guys functioned well by asking
Speaker 1: why or figuring it out themselves. And so Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: is one of these guys. Okay, why are we doing
Speaker 1: this when I see this coverage or see this personnel,
Speaker 1: explain to people why we're doing this instead of that.
Speaker 1: A lot of coaches do not have the patients, especially
Speaker 1: with young people, just like we as parents may not
Speaker 1: have the patient with young people. Why are you questioning me?
Speaker 1: I'm your parents, or I'm your coach, You're you're my child,
Speaker 1: or you're my player. Just do what we tell you
Speaker 1: to do. Whereas some coaches like, I'm glad you're asking
Speaker 1: me why I've got the whole the world as your oyster.
Speaker 1: Let me explain it to you. Just that transparency. It's
Speaker 1: you know, there's all kind of I mean Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: when he came to the Falcons, this dude figured out
Speaker 1: on his own really quickly how to handle locker room
Speaker 1: as a rookie quarterback, how to deal with great receivers
Speaker 1: like the Roddy Whites of the world. He figured that
Speaker 1: out on his own. It made it easier for the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Whereas his predecessor was Joey Harrington. It was
Speaker 1: during the dog finding scandal, so that was not who
Speaker 1: Bobby Patrino came to Atlantic coach and Bobby was why
Speaker 1: are we doing this? Why are we doing that? Buttrino
Speaker 1: was like, dude, we've got forty five seconds on the play. Close,
Speaker 1: get the call and run the play. I'm tired of
Speaker 1: you asking me why. So I mean, it's up to
Speaker 1: the coaches, it's up to the players. You have different people.
Speaker 1: But Rose may want to know why. But if he
Speaker 1: can figure it out, I mean, a beautiful mind is
Speaker 1: a terrible thing to waste. That's fair. Moving on, the
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders have decided to part ways with punter Marquette King.
Speaker 1: Uh came through on the transaction wire on Friday, surprising
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Greg King, who's always statistically performed
Speaker 1: well but also was known for some flamboyance. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that's not afraid to celebrate after putting one inside
Speaker 1: the ten and the reports out there where that John
Speaker 1: Gruden was sending a message that from Bill Williamson covers
Speaker 1: the NFL was sending a quote message that that type
Speaker 1: of behavior is not tolerated on my football team. Your thoughts,
Speaker 1: that's preposterous. I mean, the report or the it's probably
Speaker 1: true because there's no other reason to cut market King.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people like, well, they can
Speaker 1: save money against the cap. That's important. It's like the
Speaker 1: average punder makes two million dollars. He makes three and
Speaker 1: he's the best, one of the best punters in the
Speaker 1: league person and they have seventeen million done cap space,
Speaker 1: and there some reports they're a little cast trapped. But
Speaker 1: it's not like you're suddenly saving a ton of money
Speaker 1: by cutting your punter. So it doesn't it doesn't really,
Speaker 1: it doesn't pass the smell test at all because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's other personalities on the team. Marshaw
Speaker 1: Lynches on that team. Yeah, there're not many, many more
Speaker 1: they're they're they're going away. I mean that's as someone
Speaker 1: who's talked Gruden a lot, and it kind of knows
Speaker 1: that locker room pretty well. I'm in Oakland and awful lot. Um.
Speaker 1: This is John Cruden putting a stamp on here. This
Speaker 1: is like, we're not gonna have a flamboy punter. Um,
Speaker 1: we are going to be. But does that possibly affect
Speaker 1: the whole team that that you look? I would say
Speaker 1: this that locker room got a little loose last year
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, Michael Crabtree was unsettling. Uh,
Speaker 1: Markette King, I mean, you've got a punter who's actually
Speaker 1: making headlines. There's a lot of coaches who do not
Speaker 1: have that, whether it's n or they're not a punterer.
Speaker 1: You just punt the ball. Okay, this is the ten
Speaker 1: million dollar head coach. This is the dude who's got
Speaker 1: a ten year, ten million dollar contract. He is coming in.
Speaker 1: He is he is changing whatever. The only stars on
Speaker 1: that team are gonna be Derek Carr, Amari Cooper and
Speaker 1: Clil Mac. That's clearly the message John grudeness anymore. You know, Marshawn,
Speaker 1: you're gonna run the ball. But you're a quiet guy
Speaker 1: as it is. You know, your only headlines are just
Speaker 1: you're doing maybe some crazy things on the field. John
Speaker 1: Gruden is coming and oh, Marquette King, you want to
Speaker 1: photoshop yourself into my press conference picture. Ha ha, you're cut.
Speaker 1: Totally can see it. Look in the Monday night football
Speaker 1: booth watching a Raiders game and seeing the celebration like
Speaker 1: that guy. I don't on him, Like you could tell
Speaker 1: Bruden would be that type of guy. I covered Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1: He took over for Don Jo and Don was the
Speaker 1: toughest coaches ever when I worked in Miami, and Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson came in, and anybody remember Ted and Eric Green,
Speaker 1: who was a heck of a player who just signed
Speaker 1: like a year or two earlier in free agency, and
Speaker 1: he's come to Jimmy and interrupting press conferences. Jimmy's like,
Speaker 1: you're cut. Oh my god. Keith Buyers one of the
Speaker 1: most outstanding gentleman I've ever met. Hey, Keith, you know
Speaker 1: our tight ends are all hurt in training camp. Can
Speaker 1: you come here and play tight end for a week
Speaker 1: or so? Your coach? Our tight ends are healthy. Keith,
Speaker 1: You're cute. Okay, it's a new day and so all
Speaker 1: that's why I get worse like that. That sounds great,
Speaker 1: but there will be some Week six game where they'll
Speaker 1: they'll now have a league average or worse than league
Speaker 1: average punter, and you can look at the punning and
Speaker 1: in my cost him and game, and you can say,
Speaker 1: like why get worse? No, no, no, tell me in
Speaker 1: your lifetime have you ever said, you know what, they
Speaker 1: lost that game because they're punting sucked? Never? Because never.
Speaker 1: He thinks they got better. He thinks the locker room
Speaker 1: is gonna be bad. He thinks that the team is
Speaker 1: going to be tighter and more disciplined. I think, don't
Speaker 1: you feel like there's some games where you think the
Speaker 1: punner helped them win that game that they giant? Are
Speaker 1: you going like? I feel like though, this is a
Speaker 1: situation where he's putting his own ego in front of
Speaker 1: the team, and that could be good to his own demon.
Speaker 1: It's a John Gruden show, like he's he's I'm the
Speaker 1: star of this team and I'm making moves the show
Speaker 1: that everyone gets in line behind me, Like this could
Speaker 1: be a tease for who's feeling Stay tuned to everybody,
Speaker 1: don't you dare? Fast forward? I swear to God, that's
Speaker 1: how you treat your audience. Moving on some free agency moves,
Speaker 1: Gino Smith, your boy Greg Rosenthal got a job, signs
Speaker 1: a one year deal with yet team, the Chargers. You
Speaker 1: have to be feeling hot pants about this one. Wow,
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't go that far. I'm right now about Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will be feeling myself if we're what whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: Fast forward to January, Philip Rivers suffers an injury. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: there in like the divisional round of the playoffs, Gino
Speaker 1: comes on the field and he has his moment. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, what a perfect the perfect
Speaker 1: system for Jesus and Gino Truther for four years now,
Speaker 1: he held onto a four game stretch of the Jets
Speaker 1: in December about three or four years ago. Now he's
Speaker 1: talking about the one giant start where he lost two
Speaker 1: fumbles on a loss, that that was a very promising game.
Speaker 1: He looked pretty goods Yeah, look pretty good for the Raiders,
Speaker 1: look pretty good against Raiders. A nice spot for him, though.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys make fun of Geno still getting jobs.
Speaker 1: You know what? He also tweeted out today, You know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this. I have a huge chip
Speaker 1: and shut up. You just gotta work and hopefully you
Speaker 1: get your opportunity. You're so angry about Geno's you know,
Speaker 1: it's Anthony Lyn's guy. Anthony Anthony told me last week,
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, we're probably at the at the league meetings,
Speaker 1: Like you know, Geno's a guy will probably bring in
Speaker 1: so because asking about Lamar back up, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Cardell Jones a guy they're still a little curious about.
Speaker 1: They just don't know what he is yet. So they're
Speaker 1: ringing Gino. It's just in case, you know, he los
Speaker 1: his system at four game stretch. You mentioned with the
Speaker 1: Jeff that's really the last time he's played, which the
Speaker 1: problem isn't it. I wouldn't be surprised if they still
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback to I mean, with Philip Rivers thirty five.
Speaker 1: I agree, we've got to start developing one. Here's another move.
Speaker 1: They are going to bring pressure again. Rogers is gonna
Speaker 1: roll away, throws it up in the air, says a prayer.
Speaker 1: Jes stop insane. Oh my god. That may be one
Speaker 1: of the great throws ever made. It really was. That
Speaker 1: was Chris Collinsworth and of course the great al Michaels
Speaker 1: Jeff Janiss moment in the sun in the two thousand
Speaker 1: fifteen NFC Divisional round with the Hail Mary reception but
Speaker 1: in four years with the Green Bay he never could
Speaker 1: really get it going. And now he was on the street.
Speaker 1: And now he's a member of the Cleveland Browns. Uh,
Speaker 1: Steve over under Jeff Janice receptions this year he was
Speaker 1: moment in the sun, got a little too close. Uh
Speaker 1: he's look, he's gotta make a team. You're gonna see
Speaker 1: what You're gonna see this whole regime in Cleveland start
Speaker 1: poaching a lot of the Browns bottom end of the
Speaker 1: roster guys because they know them. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: just John Dorris Hugh to Alonso high Smith's Elliott Wolf Packers. Right,
Speaker 1: you have the Packers, former Packers who are now with
Speaker 1: the Browns. Um So Janice, We'll see he gotta make
Speaker 1: a team over under twenty six and a half receptions.
Speaker 1: Not that's all I gotta say. I don't need to
Speaker 1: to contention. I just said over under. Special teams are though.
Speaker 1: Come on, I mean, look, he's gonna be a returner
Speaker 1: for them. Thomas Rawls, who had a moment in the
Speaker 1: Sun with the Seattle Seahawks before that broken leg really
Speaker 1: seemed to mess up his career. He signs with the
Speaker 1: New York Jets, the team announced on Friday, and uh,
Speaker 1: speaking of that, I should tell you Greg. You remember
Speaker 1: I had my my dream, my vision that I saw
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and he had signed with the Jets. I
Speaker 1: went up to him and I wish him the best
Speaker 1: of luck. I had another dream slash premonition. You're oh
Speaker 1: for one. So this happened last night. Waking up Easter morning.
Speaker 1: I was in it. It was a big house party
Speaker 1: and uh it was the night before the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and the Jets were in the super Bowl. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying when. I don't know what year this was, but
Speaker 1: everybody's fun. There's a big pool. There was multiple uh
Speaker 1: floors to the house, and everyone was like congratulating me.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you must be so excited. Finally finally
Speaker 1: the Jets are the super Bowl and I was like yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I went to get something in my bedroom,
Speaker 1: so I guess I lived in the house, which nice job.
Speaker 1: We got a pool, and I took a moment and
Speaker 1: processed it and I started to cry because I was
Speaker 1: so excited that the Jets had made the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So sad. And then I woke up and you could
Speaker 1: cut the music, and I realized that it was April one.
Speaker 1: I gave myself, Oh my god, what kind of life
Speaker 1: is this as a fan? You're a prison I thought
Speaker 1: this was gonna end with some sort of like Thomas
Speaker 1: Rawls has Risen, maybe Josh Rosen was a quarterback. I
Speaker 1: do like the the April fool slash Eastern slash passover
Speaker 1: all on the same day, I feel like, can't we
Speaker 1: can't we work it out to just make that a
Speaker 1: permanent thing? Yeah, why not? Let's do that every year.
Speaker 1: Kendall Wright is staying in the NFC North. The former
Speaker 1: Titans and Bears white out signed with the Vikings on
Speaker 1: Friday uh last season Chicago. He had led the team
Speaker 1: with fifty nine catches for fourteen yards and a touchdown,
Speaker 1: but he didn't stick around there. You like this move, Connie,
Speaker 1: I like it. He's good in the slot. And then, um,
Speaker 1: you have another option with Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielan there.
Speaker 1: I mean it could be good for that Rudolf too,
Speaker 1: But Kirk Cousins, I mean, that's the man with the
Speaker 1: big hand. Did not lead the Jets to the Super Bowl. No, No,
Speaker 1: that was it was after it was prior to free
Speaker 1: agency and it was I had the dream that he
Speaker 1: signed with the Jets and I congratulated him and he's like,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, man. But now maybe what that really
Speaker 1: was it wasn't that he was signing with the Jets.
Speaker 1: I was just wishing him luck and maybe that premonition
Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't going to come to us, and
Speaker 1: the dream of the Super Bowl is all part of
Speaker 1: a bigger set of visions that I'm having. And that's
Speaker 1: why you were crying. But here's the thing, what was
Speaker 1: it like a we were you weeping? There's a lot
Speaker 1: of especially in this yet between you and Mark, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of just I just want to make the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But I think as a fan you'll realize
Speaker 1: that when if they lose that Super it was horribly disappointing.
Speaker 1: Almost that was worse than even not making think of
Speaker 1: the Red Sox in two thousand four. Once you got
Speaker 1: there and you got past the Yankees, if you would
Speaker 1: have blown it against the Cardinals, it would have been
Speaker 1: even more pain. Yeah, I'm with but let's just get
Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, someone who grew up in Minnesota, those
Speaker 1: four l's in the Super Bowl still have stayed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening in the news. Okay, here
Speaker 1: we go. Thank you for not fast forwarding, and if
Speaker 1: you did, just hit stop and delete this podcast because
Speaker 1: I don't want you listening. We don't want you listening, right, Greig,
Speaker 1: don't even don't even help about our sponsors. No, don't, dare,
Speaker 1: don't do anything. Uh. This is our feeling themselves power
Speaker 1: rankings in which we will each nominate. This is how
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. Two individuals to football humans. It could
Speaker 1: be a coach, it could be a player, it could
Speaker 1: be a GM, it could be an owner, could be
Speaker 1: whatever you want, to be a whole team. Sure, whatever
Speaker 1: you want, and you nominate them because they're really feeling
Speaker 1: themselves right now. And then once we go around the
Speaker 1: room twice, we'll put a top five power ranking, and uh,
Speaker 1: based off that power ranking, uh, nothing else will happen.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say there would be one more step,
Speaker 1: like that person that team or person be alerted and
Speaker 1: we get a trop do we eliminate it's going to
Speaker 1: be But no, I will, I will. Yeah, you clearly
Speaker 1: haven't listened to how this show where now they still
Speaker 1: be a group conversation totally, so I might throw out,
Speaker 1: this was Greg, you came up with this idea, and
Speaker 1: West West really had the kernel of it. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: we should do that, you know, we should do that
Speaker 1: as an article or a pot and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's how history works. Someone that's the colonel, and
Speaker 1: then some guys picks up the baton. He gets all
Speaker 1: the credits. And I'm trying to give it to West.
Speaker 1: We didn't have anything while you're gone, so now we're
Speaker 1: using your idea. God damn it. I don't never trusted him,
Speaker 1: all right, get us going, Greg first nomination for the
Speaker 1: Feeling Themselves Power Rankings. Well this comes and maybe this
Speaker 1: was part of the germ of the idea was being
Speaker 1: down in Orlando, and it's that time of year. It's
Speaker 1: the time of year to feel feel yourself, absolutely feel themselves.
Speaker 1: And one guy that really I didn't I wasn't aware.
Speaker 1: So many did not realize. One of the one of
Speaker 1: the guys who it just felt like he had a
Speaker 1: different or about him this year as opposed to one
Speaker 1: year ago at this time, and that's Sean Payton of
Speaker 1: the Like It Saints. And they had sort of been
Speaker 1: that New Orleans Saints had been in NFL purgatory there
Speaker 1: for a while, a lot of drama sort of at
Speaker 1: the end of every season, whether Sean Peyton was going
Speaker 1: to leave, whether Drew Brees you know, has past his prime,
Speaker 1: just drama all the time. And then suddenly they get
Speaker 1: the best rookie draft class in NFL history. You get
Speaker 1: Drew Brees playing. I mean, there's never been two Rookies
Speaker 1: of the Year on the same the same team, and
Speaker 1: then had a couple Hall of Fame in terms of
Speaker 1: rookie production in your first year, it's tough to beat them.
Speaker 1: And then two or three other starters who are who
Speaker 1: are playing really well, and he just has a different
Speaker 1: glow about him. Right now, he is walking around. He's
Speaker 1: walking around to Orlando. The jokes are funnier. He's staying out.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit later he's he's just he's failing
Speaker 1: up with when Cessler rolls over to their like corner
Speaker 1: of the bar, he wouldn't have done that. He just
Speaker 1: seems he seems happier. I mean, who wouldn't be. He
Speaker 1: got Drew Brees back, you know, on this contract this year,
Speaker 1: and I think they're just kind of feeling like they're back.
Speaker 1: They've got such a nice nucleus here and they're they're
Speaker 1: ready to go. He was feeling himself though during the
Speaker 1: season two when he's like taunting the fans during the
Speaker 1: case in the locker room with the broom, Well, he hasn't.
Speaker 1: He has a naturally high level of feeling himself. So
Speaker 1: I feel like, so when you've got a little team
Speaker 1: success behind it, then he's gonna be walking around kind
Speaker 1: of with the chest puffed out to your point. Last
Speaker 1: year and we got maybe a little blowback internally over
Speaker 1: this when we did our hot butt segment, like who
Speaker 1: could have a hot butt? Entering the season, Steve, do
Speaker 1: you know about this? Okay? Um, will you stop hitting
Speaker 1: my with someone to the you know we're wearing the
Speaker 1: wrong headset. Um. I'd thrown out Peyton potentially, just because
Speaker 1: I think they're coming off three straight seven and nine's,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he would have a wandering eye,
Speaker 1: uh if things started to get a little uncomfortable, and
Speaker 1: now it just seems like everything's back to the good
Speaker 1: old days post super Bowl. They need to do is
Speaker 1: get back to the big game, especially with that defense
Speaker 1: too now to look and to that on a serious note,
Speaker 1: the one most The most undappreciated guy in the organization
Speaker 1: is Jeff Ireland because he put down there. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they started knocking out draft picks left and right.
Speaker 1: So he's done a good job. But I think organization
Speaker 1: they're feeling themselves and even sort of lost on a
Speaker 1: Fluke play. Cameron Jordan was in here last week and
Speaker 1: I asked him, was he annoyed, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: watching that Vikings game because they they're watching that, They're
Speaker 1: they're watching that, watching the NFC Championship, thinking, man, we
Speaker 1: could have we could have done a lot more in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia than the Minnesota Vikings. That gonna win. They gonna
Speaker 1: win on that play. And then I'm not saying they're
Speaker 1: gonna win or something, but they're not gonna lose thirty
Speaker 1: eight to seven with Drew Brees. Give me a break,
Speaker 1: all right, Steve, make your first time. I'm taking I'm
Speaker 1: taking this to a whole different level. Okay, I know
Speaker 1: I know you were trying to say, like individually, but
Speaker 1: I think what I think the Los Angeles Rams as
Speaker 1: an organization are completely feeling themselves. Okay, they gotta keep
Speaker 1: to leave great move in a trade. Okay, they actually
Speaker 1: gotta keep the back out of a of a trade
Speaker 1: that was science field and delivered with the forty niners.
Speaker 1: Just say play for what you report on that. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of been under the radar. They
Speaker 1: got him to back out of a forty back out,
Speaker 1: they get they get Marcus Peters. Now they're like, huh
Speaker 1: that great locker room culture we did last year, Let's
Speaker 1: let's throw a Dominican sue in here. And you know
Speaker 1: what this O'Dell Beckham thing that one thinks is like,
Speaker 1: just oh, that's just talk. Uh no, really yeah, really no,
Speaker 1: no speaking to people the league meet. It's all the Giant.
Speaker 1: This is the Giant's court. If they want to trade him,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles will do what it takes to get him.
Speaker 1: They want him on their team. They'll will give up
Speaker 1: the first round. It's a pick. Fine, Odell is a
Speaker 1: young player, he's dynamic. Oh and we're in l a
Speaker 1: perfect and we're going into a new stadium and we've
Speaker 1: got this offensive play caller and we just lost Sammy Watkins.
Speaker 1: So if you if you traded O'Dell for a first rounder,
Speaker 1: that you would have to throw another player in there too.
Speaker 1: So who who would you throw in there too if
Speaker 1: you want. I mean, I'm not giving up Todd Gurley,
Speaker 1: But who do you want? The Giants want? Robert Woods?
Speaker 1: You think the Rams have to throw in another player,
Speaker 1: I mean the man to No. No No, I think the
Speaker 1: Rams to give up, you know, second round next year,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that maybe that's all the
Speaker 1: Giants want. Dave Gunham and is it's a guy. I remember,
Speaker 1: he's one running the show and he got rid of Josh.
Speaker 1: To him, I mean, piece out Josh. I mean, so
Speaker 1: it's interesting John here. I'll make the call, but I
Speaker 1: think the l a Rams I'm to do. I had
Speaker 1: them in mind. And McVeigh, obviously a young guy, carries
Speaker 1: himself with a ton of confidence, less need. Was on
Speaker 1: our show in Orlando last week and I said similar
Speaker 1: thing to him, like it takes some onions. They hung
Speaker 1: onions this offseason. They could have sat on a very
Speaker 1: good team and went into next season. Instead, they are
Speaker 1: feeling their personnel department. They're they're they're feeling their gut
Speaker 1: on this and like no, this weekend upgrade here here here,
Speaker 1: and maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but you
Speaker 1: don't make all these moves and maybe then go get O'Dell.
Speaker 1: If you're really also feeling the appeal of Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: you better believe that's cell and you know that's where
Speaker 1: you're That's where your chargers better start picking up the pace.
Speaker 1: You understanding where they are, because the Rams are to you. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was Craig. I mean I was the Ram. You know,
Speaker 1: you know that, you know the Rams are feeling themselves
Speaker 1: when Less has a head of hair like that, and
Speaker 1: he didn't even know off the top of his head
Speaker 1: what his hair care product was when Dan pushed him out.
Speaker 1: I think he did because he was cheapish. He was
Speaker 1: worried about the price point on it, which was north
Speaker 1: of forty dollars, I believe. And but Kara Snead, she
Speaker 1: just she sent it to me and everyone knows, yes,
Speaker 1: what is it again, I'll have to go through it
Speaker 1: would violated the NFL sponsorship Algy, that makes sense. Connie nominate? Okay,
Speaker 1: you actually brought his name up. Steve Dave Gentleman, Dave Geentleman.
Speaker 1: Right now, I feeling himself. He's kind of in this
Speaker 1: like wistful honeymoon phase right now. With the Giants, he
Speaker 1: came into a pretty decent situation where it's not a
Speaker 1: total train wreck there, they're not completely starting over, but
Speaker 1: he does have the luxury of sort of slowly erasing
Speaker 1: Jerry Reese's influence on the team. There, he's, you know,
Speaker 1: they just moved JPP and that saves them a ton
Speaker 1: of money in twenty nineteen, and he's kind of making
Speaker 1: some moves here for the future. They gave Nate Solder
Speaker 1: a boatload of money, so finally sort of addressed the
Speaker 1: offensive line that's been an issue for so long. And
Speaker 1: obviously as soon as he came in, you know, he
Speaker 1: said that there was going to be a complete overhaul,
Speaker 1: and how they approached the draft philosophically, how they put
Speaker 1: together their draft board. And I mean what he said
Speaker 1: at the owners meetings in terms of out Dell. I
Speaker 1: mean that right there, he's feeling himself. I mean, if Beckham,
Speaker 1: especially if Beckham gets moved, how be feeling yourself more
Speaker 1: as a GM a transformational talent, the face of the
Speaker 1: face of the franchise, the save gentleman. I think Giants
Speaker 1: are not gonna be happy about that. But like, you
Speaker 1: got a Giants game in October and there are sixty
Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham Jerseys. If you trade that guy, better be
Speaker 1: ready for the back last Well, that's because if you
Speaker 1: traded that guy, then you're also gonna you know, Eli,
Speaker 1: we're drafting your successor because this is a tear it down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a guy. Think about how he came up.
Speaker 1: Giants was his first big job in the NFL. He
Speaker 1: was there for thirteen years. So he is kind of
Speaker 1: at the end of his career here, coming off of
Speaker 1: getting fired in Carolina and suddenly lands his absolute dream job.
Speaker 1: And he's someone he I don't think he's bothered by
Speaker 1: the New York media. I think he kind of likes it.
Speaker 1: It's fun with it. He's feeling a situation though. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a weird I mean to inherited team, this
Speaker 1: is not necessarily an ideal situation. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough That's why I don't think they end
Speaker 1: up trading Odell. But I don't know, you got a
Speaker 1: number two pick. He got Odell Shepherd Ingram It's not bad.
Speaker 1: I will nominate for the Mars. I will nominate John
Speaker 1: Dorsey and call the Cowboy of Cleveland. You know what
Speaker 1: I liked about John Dorsey, and I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: he's having a great offseason or anything, but he just
Speaker 1: he is. He doesn't care about oh and sixteen or
Speaker 1: one and thirty two or four and forty five. Though,
Speaker 1: you just want to go back three years. What's going
Speaker 1: on here at the combine? When they would you trade
Speaker 1: the first pick? His answer, give me a call, see
Speaker 1: what's up that's in your feeling. And for a guy
Speaker 1: that's taken over the laughing sock of football, which is
Speaker 1: what the Browns have been. Unfortunately, Uh, you don't usually
Speaker 1: hear a guy he's got, he's talking a big game,
Speaker 1: he's not afraid to make a ton of moves. He's
Speaker 1: the flurry of trades. They've added twelve players and free agency,
Speaker 1: and I just think Dorsey is the right guy there,
Speaker 1: uh for right now, for that fan base, because he's
Speaker 1: a guy that says, I'm not afraid to just go
Speaker 1: all in and try to completely fix things. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it works or not. We've seen it failed
Speaker 1: too many times in Cleveland, but I think they got
Speaker 1: a bit of a cowboy in that position and tak
Speaker 1: us what they needed. Though in that position, they needed
Speaker 1: somebody to come in who just was going to completely
Speaker 1: overhaul everything. He's like, though he and he landed in
Speaker 1: a great situation, the expect stations couldn't be lower. They
Speaker 1: literally could not have been. He's got all these picks.
Speaker 1: He's not responsible for any of that. He's like when
Speaker 1: you know Tom Tom Brady and Gizelle, they spent like
Speaker 1: ten million dollars on their house out here in l
Speaker 1: A And then after they did that, they were like, actually,
Speaker 1: we don't want to live here, and they just sold it.
Speaker 1: So all that work, someone else just got to come
Speaker 1: in live there. Well. I mean one thing about Dorsey
Speaker 1: this is speaking to people around the NFL. They they're like,
Speaker 1: they've got people in that building now who know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They've got again, it's it's Dorsey, it's Alonzo Highsmith,
Speaker 1: it's Elliott Wolf. They've got people who know how to
Speaker 1: build an organization through the draft. And Dorset has shown
Speaker 1: trade wise when you last year with Kansas City when
Speaker 1: he's a GM traded up to get Patrick Mahomes, you know,
Speaker 1: they they've got people who've got an eye for talent.
Speaker 1: Look what they've done. They've gone and got Jarvis Landry Um,
Speaker 1: you know, to go with Josh Gordon. They go out
Speaker 1: to ge Tyrod Taylor. So they're gonna put some pieces
Speaker 1: in place. I mean, they're not going winless this year.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be interesting to see if they do
Speaker 1: have a slow start. If Hugh Jackson has got the
Speaker 1: luxury are you of patience that they've shown him thus far? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is the most important draft. He's not feeling
Speaker 1: himself as much. There's a there's a divide there where
Speaker 1: he's feeling himself. I don't think Hugh Jackson's feel They
Speaker 1: got the first pick in the fourth pick, and we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see how much he feels himself if he gets
Speaker 1: a little cute with trading and we'll see one more
Speaker 1: time around. I've got a theory here. And uh, my
Speaker 1: next guy on this list is going to be Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: I think he's feeling himself when you would think he's
Speaker 1: coming off one of the worst losses of his career. Uh,
Speaker 1: probably taking as much criticism for a decision that he
Speaker 1: made in that game as he has h for any
Speaker 1: decision in New England for a long and fourth and
Speaker 1: short against the Colts. Bro I don't think about just
Speaker 1: listening to him, watching him work out Bradley Chubb at
Speaker 1: NTY State and and going around and seeing him at
Speaker 1: the owners meeting. I think he is in a different
Speaker 1: phase of his life where that that the loss, all
Speaker 1: that stuff bothers him. But I think getting that that
Speaker 1: fourth and especially the fifth Super Bowl, I think he
Speaker 1: feels like he's playing with house money. He knows exactly
Speaker 1: who he is, which is, if not the greatest coach
Speaker 1: of all time, certainly the greatest coach of the last
Speaker 1: you know, thirty forty years or twenty thirty years. And
Speaker 1: I don't think like that stuff at this stage in
Speaker 1: his life. I think he wants to enjoy it. I
Speaker 1: think he wants to enjoy being an NFL coach and
Speaker 1: be the Bill Belichick that he's kind of worked all
Speaker 1: these years. And that's why he's he's I'm not He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not changing who I am as a coach for
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. If Gronk wants to be a pain, like
Speaker 1: I'll trade him. Like I don't think this stuff bothers
Speaker 1: him in the same way or like drives at him.
Speaker 1: He seems about as comfortable and happy as someone who's
Speaker 1: watched Bill Belichick, you know from AFAR. Admittedly, but as
Speaker 1: I've ever seen him in his entire career, he he
Speaker 1: just seems good. You know, when you're feeling yourself when
Speaker 1: at the coaches breakfast, when you decide to show up,
Speaker 1: you don't even sit at the table or so up
Speaker 1: late the other coaches aren't doing right. He's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, we were hail Mary passed away from still
Speaker 1: winning that game. No matter what you want to say
Speaker 1: about Malcolm Butler. Yeah, so that's that's you know, he's
Speaker 1: got every right to feel himself. Do we have any
Speaker 1: players who are feeling are you guys? Go there? Because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not pulling audible out there. I got one ahead,
Speaker 1: got one. Yeah, you know, I was gonna say John
Speaker 1: Gruden because he's definitely feeling himself. Absolutely, But since we
Speaker 1: have a lack of player, Levian Bell is feeling a
Speaker 1: lot of himself right now. I mean all we heard,
Speaker 1: all we heard after the super Bowl was hey, they're
Speaker 1: close getting a long term deal done. So it's speaking
Speaker 1: of Kevin Colbert at the league meetings. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get to him. So they've got a
Speaker 1: little jousting back and forth. Says, well, how can you
Speaker 1: be a hero in your city when you're portrayed as
Speaker 1: the villain. Last I checked, the heroes in Pittsburgh are
Speaker 1: named Bradshaw and Joe Green and you know Rocky, all
Speaker 1: these guys that brought you know, some trophies there, you
Speaker 1: big Ben, you know, but Lev you're a great player.
Speaker 1: You want seventeen million, you know, you get this franchise
Speaker 1: tag number. You know, He's he's got every right to
Speaker 1: feel himself right now. But I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're not getting a players here. We're going re establishments.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get a guy on the it's
Speaker 1: a good one. I'm gonna I'm gonna follow it up
Speaker 1: then with Mine kirk Cousins. How can he not be
Speaker 1: feeling himself right now? He spent the entire off season
Speaker 1: being courted by fans, players from different teams front offices,
Speaker 1: just you know, see him what's out there, seeing what
Speaker 1: he can get. And then he signs this record breaking deal.
Speaker 1: He changes the way that these contracts are done. Who knows,
Speaker 1: you know how much that continues in the future, but
Speaker 1: he did it, and then he doesn't even spend money
Speaker 1: as it is. He's a really frugal guy that just
Speaker 1: got so much money, and he goes to a better
Speaker 1: situation too, and he's got new offensive coordinator John da Flippo.
Speaker 1: There of course, they have Stefon Diggs and Adam Fellen,
Speaker 1: and you have a healthy Dalvin Cook coming up this year,
Speaker 1: plus that defense. If he right now, they haven't played
Speaker 1: any games, so he is golden and feeling himself. Now.
Speaker 1: If he cannot play up to that potential going to
Speaker 1: be a problem. There's a lot of pressure on him
Speaker 1: and and the Vikings in general, but he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: feeling himself. Uh to take the two straight franchise tags.
Speaker 1: He always believed in himself and feeling himself. I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know that he doesn't walk. He
Speaker 1: doesn't when I think Kirk cousins, I don't think that
Speaker 1: there's a guy that's feeling himself. You don't find it.
Speaker 1: That's crazy? Do you think? Do you think he hasn't
Speaker 1: manipulated the Oh you like that thing? Feeling himself? I
Speaker 1: just like wolf, He says, yeh's a better situation. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: leaving Washington. Could that be a better situation? Uh? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Like what a toxic um? You know what? I think
Speaker 1: he has to be nominated. So I will say John
Speaker 1: Gruden just to cover our bases here. U just that
Speaker 1: he has a vision here. It's uncompromising. Marquette King knows
Speaker 1: it now. Our own Mike Gara Folo reported that Marquette King, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just wanted to meet the new coaches. He wandered
Speaker 1: into the facility on Friday just to see if coaches
Speaker 1: were there. They weren't, and then the GM's like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's take a seat. And that's how I found out
Speaker 1: he got cut. I mean because because the coach didn't
Speaker 1: want him, and it made me wondered did that timing
Speaker 1: changed because of that or something. They were like, hey,
Speaker 1: guys like Marquette's just like walking around looking for people. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just cut him now. But when you got a
Speaker 1: ten year, one hundred million dollar deal and it's guaranteed money,
Speaker 1: right your head coach, you're a head coach, you're getting it.
Speaker 1: So you get a hundred you got not only get
Speaker 1: a hundred million, you're a d percent confident that all
Speaker 1: your philosophies that worked, and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: making a lot of the nine stuff, but you're confident
Speaker 1: that all those philosophies remain sharp and we'll be successful.
Speaker 1: And I don't care what anybody think thinks about my
Speaker 1: moves that I'm bringing on too many old guys. I'm
Speaker 1: doing that for a reason that I'm getting rid of,
Speaker 1: uh my special teams aces. I'm doing it for a
Speaker 1: reason I feel myself and I trust in myself and
Speaker 1: my ability to shepherd this franchise. And you can tell
Speaker 1: you this, there was nobody at the league meetings who
Speaker 1: was walking out with a puff your chest, guys so
Speaker 1: ready to get on the fuel with And he loved
Speaker 1: it at the combine like he had the biggest group
Speaker 1: around him. He's just like looking around and you could
Speaker 1: tell he's he's happy that he's the big man. Campus
Speaker 1: good for him. Just did I throw a bonus one
Speaker 1: in there before you go to you? Because I was
Speaker 1: gonna use him, But I'll throw Peyton Manning in the ring. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know Papa John's. He starts getting a little mouthie
Speaker 1: and he says, I'm out on Papa John's ESPN and Fox.
Speaker 1: They go all like courtship all the way in, take
Speaker 1: him all the way up to he gets all the
Speaker 1: way up to like make out point with him, hops
Speaker 1: out the front seat, and heads back down the hill
Speaker 1: said no thanks, I'm not interested. Peyton does what he
Speaker 1: wants when he wants. He's feeling himself. I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to do anything yet. I'm just gonna keep being Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning for the time being. That just leaves with so
Speaker 1: many loaded things out there, I think I hope all
Speaker 1: thess just leaving serious box and all the right there
Speaker 1: hanging to make out point. But it's Peyton's feeling himself.
Speaker 1: He also, by the way, in Indianapolis, you know a
Speaker 1: giant bronze statue. I probably said I'll come back to Andy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just build me a giant statue. Put the sheriff on it.
Speaker 1: Nobody called me that, but just put put it on there. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm Peyton Manning. I'm feeling myself all the time. He's
Speaker 1: running things alright. I want to I want to go back.
Speaker 1: I was looking for this article that I had read
Speaker 1: last week which really cracked me up to support uh
Speaker 1: Steve's point on Levy on Bell feeling himself. Here is
Speaker 1: an actual paragraph from an article on billboard dot com.
Speaker 1: You know a real a real thing. Bell released his
Speaker 1: eight track No Announcement project as a surprise drop in February.
Speaker 1: The set, which Bell says he recorded mostly over the
Speaker 1: two thousands seventies and is largely introspective, nocturnal sounding affair,
Speaker 1: featuring the rappers heavy baritone over booming trap beats. The
Speaker 1: set convincently deposits Bell is one of the strongest rapper
Speaker 1: athletes out there right now, with the m C even
Speaker 1: finding two different rhymes for Byron Leftwich on emancipation proclamation.
Speaker 1: Anytime you can get left, I mean you're feeling yourself.
Speaker 1: You know what the competition is Tom Bahlly right now, So,
Speaker 1: I mean his his first video, Shade Room, coming out soon,
Speaker 1: a woozy banger that catches Bell in a moment of
Speaker 1: contemplation about the intersection between his rap and football careers.
Speaker 1: You're not making the the woozy banger video to Shade Rooms,
Speaker 1: Cardi B on the remix. Yes, that's very good. That's
Speaker 1: very good. Any other nominations, Greg Uh, I'll do a
Speaker 1: quick one. I think the Jaguars as an organization are
Speaker 1: feeling themselves just in general, just feeling good. They're like,
Speaker 1: now we're good with Blake Bortles, Like, I think that's
Speaker 1: a feeling themselves type of move that they think they're
Speaker 1: as strong everywhere else, that they're just like Blake. It's Blake.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna need to upgrade there. Did they box
Speaker 1: themselves in the little bit? A little bit a bit?
Speaker 1: They're confident. I wonder if if everything worked out with
Speaker 1: where he wasn't hurt, didn't have that surgery, if they
Speaker 1: would have if Kirk Cousins would be on that team,
Speaker 1: there's some there's a pretty good chance that that Blake
Speaker 1: would not be the guy. There's some people in that
Speaker 1: building who love him, who drafted him, there's some people
Speaker 1: there who didn't. All Right, before we go, swe is
Speaker 1: coming for your A t N insider status here? Well,
Speaker 1: he's an actual NFL insider work I kind of Erica,
Speaker 1: you would say that, I'm more like an a t
Speaker 1: N media inside. Banger is a pretty excellent way to
Speaker 1: describe something. All Right, Um, top five, Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I think uh Gruden has to be in the top
Speaker 1: Five's got to be in the air. I think I
Speaker 1: think Cousins has to be and I love all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. Cousins. Gruden does bell good in there,
Speaker 1: Woozy banger. We got a lot that's ugly should put
Speaker 1: live maybe in the bottom, Sean Payton, the Ram yeahs
Speaker 1: out there. We've put a lot of people in here,
Speaker 1: already got four right now. This is where it gets tough.
Speaker 1: Does Dorsey make the list? I don't know all right
Speaker 1: that the Rams don't. I feel like the Rams should
Speaker 1: be Rams should be in there. I think that's your
Speaker 1: five right there, Gruden, Cousins, Peyton, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the order is, Ruden, Cousins, Peyton, Bell, Rams. Who's feeling
Speaker 1: themselves the most in the NFL right now? Gruden? Right?
Speaker 1: I think Rams, Yeah, Gruen maybe number one, go Rams,
Speaker 1: number two, Gruden. Here's the final rankings. Gruden one, Rams two,
Speaker 1: Cousins three, Peyton four and Love Bell and his woozy
Speaker 1: Bangers number five. That's good. I like this. That's good.
Speaker 1: There's a good power, right And just to like just
Speaker 1: to confirm Sean Payton, not Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning. It's
Speaker 1: the top five. But he is feeling himself really always
Speaker 1: has um. Okay, Steve, you've done it all, You've said
Speaker 1: it all, and I love to be the first time,
Speaker 1: I'm last time so honored that this is this is
Speaker 1: one hell of a Maiden Voyage. A wooz banger. Outside
Speaker 1: was a woozy banger of a podcast that has got
Speaker 1: to be like the Hook America. That's the Cell, right,
Speaker 1: it's the Cell. It is a woozy banger, especially the
Speaker 1: way Greg Rosenthal said, say it again, Greg, it's a
Speaker 1: woozy banger. I don't know now. I tried to change
Speaker 1: it up. I don't know what I was going for there.
Speaker 1: That was exactly some based over some trap beats there.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So Steve, thank you for coming on. It
Speaker 1: will not be the last time we will ask you.
Speaker 1: And it took too long to have you on. The
Speaker 1: first place was Onward and Upward with Steve wish on
Speaker 1: the Team of Heroes. I'm back. It's great to have
Speaker 1: you back. Can you come back on Wednesday? She's back?
Speaker 1: How about that? So yeah, we'll be back on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Hopefully maybe we'll get to hear from Mark Seessler who's
Speaker 1: somewhere in the world right now, and uh maybe open
Speaker 1: up the metal bag. Let's have some fun. So that
Speaker 1: some fun this week. I can't wait. I love fun.
Speaker 1: All right. This is Dan hands a signing up for
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