Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast is really weird. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to another edition to Be Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis, and I am in a room
Speaker 1: filled with some heroes. Chris Westling to my left, Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthal to my right. Oh yeah, it's a scientist party.
Speaker 1: What's up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Can we peek into your
Speaker 1: mind for a second? I lived there, Dan knows that
Speaker 1: do you believe that you have to work extra hard
Speaker 1: to be murthy today? Since it's just the two scientists
Speaker 1: and you don't have Mark, You know, you like half
Speaker 1: question in your mind? Do you think it will Greg
Speaker 1: and I will skew two like pig skin heavy? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't. I wouldn't. I don't say
Speaker 1: Selva come enough too that we've got big fish coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that'll factor in, But uh, I don't view you
Speaker 1: guys as pure, just like football drones, So I'm not
Speaker 1: concerned about it. That's that's great answer. I feel better
Speaker 1: about my rule on the show now. Yeah good, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that. And you know, it's always nice to have
Speaker 1: Marked a bounce. But Mark under the under the weather,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking Mark is a nasty cold he said, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is where you're get in trouble for being a
Speaker 1: vegetarian or a vegan guy. We're a nice bowl chicken soup,
Speaker 1: and he'd be here right now. Is that backed up
Speaker 1: by science? What do they say about chicken chicken soup?
Speaker 1: It's good for the soul, for the soul, good for cold.
Speaker 1: Also they say in some so you can get some
Speaker 1: veggie soups would be good. I would I would think
Speaker 1: is it really the chicken that's doing it or is
Speaker 1: it the stock? Do they say starve a cold or
Speaker 1: feed a cold? Because Mark doesn't eat. Mark starves everything.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're hoping to see Mark back uh
Speaker 1: in our next show. But we got a lot to
Speaker 1: get to today. Uh. Some news including well I don't
Speaker 1: even know if it's really news, but there's some Patriots
Speaker 1: Tom Brady uh buzz in the air of following at
Speaker 1: ESPN report this morning. Uh, the other greatest quarterback in
Speaker 1: the world is also in the news for some issues
Speaker 1: with his own team. A drama in the NFL. Right now,
Speaker 1: and uh, we will continue our draft quarterback series, yes
Speaker 1: with the big Fish Evans Silva. Oh it's a big one. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a big one. Greg, come on, give me some help.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's in the boat. Silva's here. My wife's
Speaker 1: a great fisherwoman. When is the last time are you
Speaker 1: were worried at all? That? You know? After getting Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh less need all these you know guys, that
Speaker 1: the big fish Moniker for Evan Silva has lost some meaning.
Speaker 1: If anything, it shows the respect that I haven't for Silva,
Speaker 1: that it doesn't change anything. Yeah, that he's bigger than
Speaker 1: all this. He also wears more hats than those guys.
Speaker 1: Silva's got his hands in a lot of different you
Speaker 1: know pots. So yeah, Silva is coming on to talk
Speaker 1: about Josh Allen. So we are the the last of
Speaker 1: the four big four connected to this draft, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, enough of nothing is now as we record
Speaker 1: this just eight days away and thank god get here draft.
Speaker 1: When's the last time you actually threw out a cast
Speaker 1: like went fishing? I it's been easily a dozen years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's got to be over a decade, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never had the patience for it, really, right, I
Speaker 1: did it. We did it a little bit early in marriage,
Speaker 1: so that's that's less than that. But it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a while. Your wife is a gifted fisher woman.
Speaker 1: She's good. True, I would not have known good good
Speaker 1: luck with it. I don't know, not good, just good.
Speaker 1: Who does she go with you or? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just a handful of times. But each times that she
Speaker 1: did it, she outshined everyone else there. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's pretty interesting. I'm a really good fisher woman. It's
Speaker 1: not really a real people say fisher woman. Your fish
Speaker 1: here in Ohio and it's like Higlands fish, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I go fishing a lot. When I go
Speaker 1: camping with my my friends that they live up in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: Well do them Touth Carolina now? But we go in
Speaker 1: the summertime and we did it's catching release. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I I get, I get white people like fishing. It
Speaker 1: is relaxing, But there is still just part of me
Speaker 1: that's like, well that's just great being out on a
Speaker 1: boat and just kind of you know, well why not
Speaker 1: just stay I just sit on the boat and don't
Speaker 1: even worry about the Well, I get the fish, that's
Speaker 1: what I that's more my my thing. That's even more relaxing,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, And you know, like I always it's
Speaker 1: always a little bit up, a little get rid of
Speaker 1: the pole and the fish, and then you're really really
Speaker 1: and you're part of nature and you're you're in the hunt,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's man verse beast. I get all that.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the von Miller. Let's like gut
Speaker 1: a hammerhead shark alive because I'm a millionaire. But if
Speaker 1: I had a friend that had like a tony soprano
Speaker 1: like Stugot's type yacht, I'm on the yacht, give me
Speaker 1: a gut pole, but make sure you give me a
Speaker 1: cold one. Well, if you guys come to Tybe with
Speaker 1: me next month, we can get some fishing going on,
Speaker 1: is it. I guess it's a big fishing town. Makes sense.
Speaker 1: Everybody fishes on Tybee. Yeah, a lot of local shrimpers there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot going on. Let's do some news. Cut tarm
Speaker 1: only the richest nation in the world, but not as
Speaker 1: expensive to travel to as you may think. Cats are
Speaker 1: catar cattar. Just throwing it out there, a little bit
Speaker 1: of uh controversy after Monday show. People care a lot
Speaker 1: about a pronunciation that nobody can agree on. Adam Schefter
Speaker 1: is one of the most prominent insiders in the NFL,
Speaker 1: Gagna sent the and the ESPN senior writer reported on
Speaker 1: Wednesday that Tom Brady still has not committed to playing
Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen, even though people who know him
Speaker 1: believe he will be back for the coming season. According
Speaker 1: to league sources, uh no official word from Brady privately
Speaker 1: or publicly, which is left some to wonder if he'll
Speaker 1: come back for another season. One source told the Spend
Speaker 1: my money would be on him playing football for the
Speaker 1: foreseeable future. But what goes on away from the football field,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Throne of sleeves West.
Speaker 1: This is what I call barstool reporting. You can create
Speaker 1: the same story just by asking the guy on the
Speaker 1: barstool next to you what he thinks Tom Brady is
Speaker 1: gonna do. Tho you're going to go. It's like a
Speaker 1: dig of bart barstool sports. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: that is. But Tom Brady, like schefter, isn't even reporting anything.
Speaker 1: He's just like people out there are speculating that he
Speaker 1: might not play. It's not even really a report. And
Speaker 1: to me, this story is about how news, in particular
Speaker 1: football news is created and disseminated and I go back,
Speaker 1: especially at this time of year. Yes, and I go
Speaker 1: back to our delightful conversation with less need and Kara
Speaker 1: Henderson's need when she said that quote about it's like
Speaker 1: an iceberg. The news is blow the surface. Schefter. He's
Speaker 1: hearing enough speculation to raise an eyebrow. But it also
Speaker 1: makes you wonder is he doing a favor for somebody here?
Speaker 1: Because Tom Brady has come out. Basically what the story
Speaker 1: boils down to is Brady hasn't publicly stated he will
Speaker 1: play since the last few times he publicly stated he
Speaker 1: will play, which is February around the super Bowl, when
Speaker 1: he told Jim Gray he's playing right before the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and then March on Good Morning America and then on
Speaker 1: The Cool Bear Report the Cool Bear Show. He said
Speaker 1: on both of those shows that he's playing. So he's
Speaker 1: not that he hasn't said at this officeas and he
Speaker 1: has said I'm gonna play. Well, I didn't the get
Speaker 1: the gift of being Adam Schefter, and I guess the
Speaker 1: curse too, because it's not even something to other reporters
Speaker 1: haven't said. Tom Curran has said this the whole time
Speaker 1: that you know, you know, for technically hasn't been totally
Speaker 1: able to pin down that that Brady is is gonna
Speaker 1: be back. He's just he's mentioned that a few times.
Speaker 1: The guy who uh did Tom versus Time, the documentarian Chopra.
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting his first name right now. He also said
Speaker 1: publicly recently, like he he raised it's like, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: it's possible, but it is April. And so then this
Speaker 1: becomes a story and now like there's been four posts
Speaker 1: about it today on Pro Football Talk of like okay,
Speaker 1: actually Tom has planned uh an offseason throwing session with
Speaker 1: his with his teammates. He's continuing to work out, and
Speaker 1: so like there's no particular signs that say he's not.
Speaker 1: I think everything points and it would be much easier.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady just sent out a tweet today like I'm
Speaker 1: playing but there's a lot of drama behind the scenes
Speaker 1: in New England. So people are feeding into that and
Speaker 1: when schefter, a guy at that level tweets something out,
Speaker 1: people are gonna go nuts. And ESPN loves it because
Speaker 1: then they get to build an entire day of programming.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure NFL Network has been hitting this hard.
Speaker 1: It's just how the snausage gets made. Um but I
Speaker 1: you know, one thing, if it feels if it does
Speaker 1: it feel like maybe we're in reaching this like idea
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady is a year to year proposition. We
Speaker 1: brought that up a couple of weeks ago. Like, my
Speaker 1: my intuition now when when I think of Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is not that he's gonna be playing till forty five.
Speaker 1: But then do you trade Jimmy garoppolo if that's the case. No,
Speaker 1: But I think so much has happened since then. I
Speaker 1: think that that's when relationships have started to sour in Boston,
Speaker 1: and I think we're seeing a lot of that. You know,
Speaker 1: I questioned a couple of weeks ago whether Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: you know, the Tom Versus Time documentary we talked about.
Speaker 1: It's pretty telling and it's no coincidence that the director
Speaker 1: comes out thinking differently, because it seems clear that Tom
Speaker 1: Brady's mind is in a different place now than it
Speaker 1: was a year or a year ago, or the year
Speaker 1: before that, or the or the day before the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl when he talked to Jim Gray, like he is
Speaker 1: just human and anyone can change their minds or or
Speaker 1: have a different feeling, and it's he It seems like
Speaker 1: he's just having a longer time to recharge. I would
Speaker 1: say would be if the Patriots traded Jimmy Garoppolo for
Speaker 1: a second round pick and then Tom Brady retired before
Speaker 1: the next season, it would it would be like outrageous,
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. But it would be like the
Speaker 1: Jets losing Belichick and Borcels in like a two day span.
Speaker 1: It would be No. It would be that if the
Speaker 1: Jets had won six five, four Super five Super Bowls
Speaker 1: and made it to eight, is not that big a deal. Now,
Speaker 1: I think I think him, I think him him wondering
Speaker 1: about his future is a big deal. But I expected
Speaker 1: them to take a quarterback regardless in this draft. I
Speaker 1: practically would have expected it if Jimmy Garoppolo was on
Speaker 1: the team. I mean, that's just kind of what they do,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a smart, smart way to do business.
Speaker 1: And now he's basically making it like they have to.
Speaker 1: I mean, they it would be it'd be surprising if
Speaker 1: they didn't. For what it's worth, A well known NFL
Speaker 1: network insider texted me and told me he's going on
Speaker 1: the air today and basically refuting the Schefter report. Michael Fabiano,
Speaker 1: one of our insiders, will be will be on air
Speaker 1: today on NFL Network saying this is not a story.
Speaker 1: Nice little humble bag there. I like that. Well, he
Speaker 1: reached out to me. I didn't reach out to you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm just saying, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Triple humble bag? In uh other iconic quarterback news, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on. Contrary to popular belief,
Speaker 1: you are not going to die or suffer or be
Speaker 1: any kind of physical danger once in Qatar because of
Speaker 1: its blockade. I was there when it started, and I'm
Speaker 1: a lie that sounds like Qatar. I mean, that's not
Speaker 1: what I'm hung up on. What I mean. She's something
Speaker 1: about a blockade, and well, there's a lot of there's
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, there's a lot of security because
Speaker 1: I'm doing there, going there, you know, Sep Charity, Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's sports. Charles Robinson has reported that Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: not happy. In fact, he's frustrated. He's emotional because he
Speaker 1: the quarterback, was not consulted when the team decided to
Speaker 1: cut ties with Jordy Nelson, his boy, his wide receiver
Speaker 1: of many years and also quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt. Uh.
Speaker 1: And since that report, I think Rogers had a couple
Speaker 1: of He's a little on my radar. Some of his
Speaker 1: a social media activity. He's winking, you know's hashtags and stuff,
Speaker 1: and he's very cute on social media, but playing into
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Only year the only year allowed
Speaker 1: to be trying to be funny, No, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: actually know what if Rydan Rodgers has literally everything else
Speaker 1: in the world, Yes, try to be funny, say on
Speaker 1: my corner, I mean, just be Aaron Rodgers and enjoy
Speaker 1: all the perks of that. Stop being a reverence on Twitter.
Speaker 1: You're you're referring to. He retweeted uh a Green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers article that just the headline was Aaron Rodgers talks
Speaker 1: offseason changes. In his response was I feel like the
Speaker 1: title of this article needs more clickbait. Come on, Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, make something up or talk to some unnamed
Speaker 1: sources close to me or something to beef up clicks.
Speaker 1: Hashtag Dolli Lama is a Packers fan because he visited
Speaker 1: hashtag total consciousness, hashtag relax, hashtag fake news Tuesday has
Speaker 1: tb hastag meditation. I mean he's getting a lot of
Speaker 1: plugs in there. It's come down, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I like it. Just be the best quarterback. Uh, And
Speaker 1: packers say it works for me. I like it when
Speaker 1: that's all. That's yeah. I like it when athletes come
Speaker 1: directly at a reporter basically that that came out, because
Speaker 1: if you think they're coming to it kind of phony
Speaker 1: and it's poor reporting, you know that same reporter is
Speaker 1: gonna tell you how bad your interceptions were in the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship if you throw them like, they're not going
Speaker 1: to hold back to tell him what percentage? Because I
Speaker 1: buy I buy Aaron Rodgers. I buy the Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: has reason to believe this is some trumped up stuff.
Speaker 1: If he's coming this strong. If you're a star NFL player,
Speaker 1: what percentage of articles about you do you consider clickbait? Probably?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and do we? So what are you saying
Speaker 1: that he's saying this is not He's not angry with
Speaker 1: the peckers. He's calling this out out as hashtag fake news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's angry. He's saying this is this is Uh. I
Speaker 1: think he's having some fun with us. I don't think
Speaker 1: I think he's got some legitimate gripes about Jordy Nelson
Speaker 1: and Alex Van Pelt. Any in any quarter back would
Speaker 1: have legitimate like any long standing m v P caliber
Speaker 1: quarterback who's been with a franchise for a decade, what
Speaker 1: wants some kind of input on those moves. Even if
Speaker 1: you don't expect to have that input, like be the
Speaker 1: final decision, you still want to have a say in
Speaker 1: the process your quarterback coach getting fired that you want
Speaker 1: to be aware of it, like, oh, yeah, here's what's
Speaker 1: going on. We're thinking about firing your guy who's been
Speaker 1: there for what a decade? Yeah, I guess you would
Speaker 1: like a heads up, like, hey, we're doing this. But
Speaker 1: I do think it gets a little tricky, like you
Speaker 1: can't decide who is your boss. That'd be like me
Speaker 1: going it'd be like someone coming to us and consulting
Speaker 1: us whether they're gonna like fire our fire your boss.
Speaker 1: That's that's the horrible analogy. Rodgers is an m v
Speaker 1: P in the NFL. We're just on some podcast, Like
Speaker 1: nobody consults with us. I think it's podcast, But yeah,
Speaker 1: since when has anybody ever consulted with us? That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, yeah, but he's Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, the the
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson thing, especially because that's that's the guy the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I kind of get that, like why would
Speaker 1: you because you can't at some point who's running the team.
Speaker 1: You gotta make decisions of Well, that's not like the
Speaker 1: NBA is crazy because Lebron James, for instance, this is
Speaker 1: essentially the Cavs coach and GM on a certain level.
Speaker 1: Football is different. But I absolutely think if you're a
Speaker 1: level of Aaron Rodgers, you should be involved, especially once
Speaker 1: you get what twelve thirteen years into your career with
Speaker 1: the same team, I feel like you should be involved
Speaker 1: with all aspects of the organization because you're basically, like
Speaker 1: they say with Tom Brady, like he's a front office
Speaker 1: guy in New England at this point, I think Rogers
Speaker 1: deserves that same respect. Well, you're not running the show,
Speaker 1: like I think we're both saying, there's a nuance here,
Speaker 1: like let him in on the process and his voice
Speaker 1: can be heard, but he's not making decisions. Even let
Speaker 1: him think he's part of the process. Yeah, what he
Speaker 1: wants and there's an art to that. Uh. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Packers legends, Brett Farr, the quarterback who Aaron Rodgers succeeded
Speaker 1: a report in the New York Post. We had been
Speaker 1: tracking this closely this offseason. Who's gonna be in the
Speaker 1: booth on Monday Night football will Apparently, according to Andrew
Speaker 1: Marchand Uh that Brett Farve recently came in for an audition.
Speaker 1: Uh and according to sources, Uh, the audition did not
Speaker 1: go well at all. Far of just it was not
Speaker 1: something that was working out. And after the Post report, Uh,
Speaker 1: Farv tweeted out that he wanted to clear something up
Speaker 1: that he was intrigued that the ESPN had called, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't sure at that time that he even wanted
Speaker 1: to pursue a broadcasting career. I wish him the best
Speaker 1: of luck. Blah blah blah. Uh smells like damage control
Speaker 1: from Brett your thoughts, Greg Well, Brett Farve waffling on
Speaker 1: a major career decision. He makes it sound like he
Speaker 1: just did the audition on a lark, Like he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll do him a favor and go up
Speaker 1: there and and bomb Miler, which which is not atypical.
Speaker 1: I don't think for how a lot of pro athletes,
Speaker 1: especially top tier Hall of Fame pro athletes approached their
Speaker 1: broadcasting career, and those are the guys that don't last
Speaker 1: that long. No, I totally agree. I think there's a
Speaker 1: big difference between being funny in the locker room or
Speaker 1: on the field and having some one liners and then
Speaker 1: being able to like actually announce a football game. And
Speaker 1: far of his I feel like he shows up on
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Sunday on NFL Network. I think he he
Speaker 1: pops up every once in a while. He's very smart
Speaker 1: about football. Might not be the right spot for him
Speaker 1: in a booth, right, I don't. I don't think so
Speaker 1: either necessarily. But he is such a famous presence and
Speaker 1: he's such an iconic guy that it makes total sense.
Speaker 1: Makes a lot of sense what ys Ben went after
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and it didn't work out, and why they
Speaker 1: kicked the tires on Farve Uh. Apparently by the way,
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan will be in for an audition reportedly as well, uh,
Speaker 1: and he'll get another crack at it. If you're a
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer, are you willing to work
Speaker 1: as hard as you did as an NFL player in
Speaker 1: order to be a good announcer after your career is over?
Speaker 1: Because I think Tony Romo probably works almost as hard
Speaker 1: as he did when he was a player. Frank Gifford,
Speaker 1: Frank Gifford like those are all time great. But it's
Speaker 1: also got to hurt the ego a little bit for
Speaker 1: Bret Farf to read that. So I think that you
Speaker 1: see that in the tweet maybe a little uh and
Speaker 1: please please please get here quickly. Draft News two reports
Speaker 1: connected to Penn State running back se Kwon Barkley. The
Speaker 1: first from ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay, who said it
Speaker 1: quote feels inevitable that the German will use the number
Speaker 1: two overall pick. That's where I missed. Mark. By the way,
Speaker 1: Mark always laughs at my genie. Yes he does scientists.
Speaker 1: I was, I was giggling inside, but Mark market he
Speaker 1: loses it. He can't handle it. I wish maybe in
Speaker 1: post we could add a Marc laugh. Uh, lindsay, you
Speaker 1: really miss your buddy, to miss him today, but they
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew, I knew you were onto something
Speaker 1: west in your initial question to Dan when his first
Speaker 1: response was fair question, which to me was like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about these signs to his ernie, he just
Speaker 1: wants to play with Robert and we're trying to be
Speaker 1: seriously unfair question just moving forward In any circumstance, it
Speaker 1: always means. Yet I meant by fair question was that
Speaker 1: is a hard hitting type journal question that needs to
Speaker 1: be asked. And I respected that you asked the question.
Speaker 1: It's a fair question to ask, how I feel, So
Speaker 1: I gave. I gave what I thought was an honest answer,
Speaker 1: And at the time that's totally the way I took it.
Speaker 1: That you really did think it was a legitimate question, Greg,
Speaker 1: you missed you missed this one. I think I think
Speaker 1: you've thought it is a legitimate question. Also, I think
Speaker 1: the answer was yes. All right now I'm in your head.
Speaker 1: It's nice up here, um say Kwan Barkley so dot dot.
Speaker 1: Nick Shay says that's inevitable Giants will draft the running
Speaker 1: back and another report, uh this and uh from Sports
Speaker 1: Illustrated said that the running backs agents do not want
Speaker 1: him to be picked by the Browns, and Barkley is
Speaker 1: represented by Rock Nation, who heads Rock Nation, Chris Westling
Speaker 1: jay Z. What city is jay z most closely connected
Speaker 1: to New York? They want him to go to the Giants.
Speaker 1: They want him to be in the mecca, the media mecca.
Speaker 1: They don't want him anywhere near uh Western Ohio. So
Speaker 1: that's the other report, Barkley breaking news here. Agents want
Speaker 1: client to be in the best place to earn money
Speaker 1: and enhance his image. I mean, that's what agents do,
Speaker 1: but not Comma. Not with the team that went one
Speaker 1: in thirty one. Over the last two years, it is
Speaker 1: known as a regional and national laughing stock, right, And
Speaker 1: I would just point out what I have heard several
Speaker 1: former general managers say, and several people in this building say,
Speaker 1: when the calendar hits April, believe nothing about the draft
Speaker 1: and what teams are gonna do and who has plans
Speaker 1: and who committed to what. I don't believe it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I believe this. Agents want to do that, But I
Speaker 1: don't believe that the Giants already have Kwon Barkley like
Speaker 1: written in ink as their number two picks. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about them trading back, so that
Speaker 1: that to me seems more believable. And who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: if if the Browns don't take Sam Donald, I'm still
Speaker 1: not not giving up on the Giants possibly taking a
Speaker 1: quarterback because it makes so much sense. No matter what
Speaker 1: everyone's been. Yeah, I'm not buying that necessarily at this point. Uh.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we could put your uh sandwich,
Speaker 1: your sandwich where your mouth is because on Monday show
Speaker 1: go get my lunch draft edition. I've already been I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have been doing any prep.
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of options already and it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of now culling that list down to three
Speaker 1: or four that I feel very strongly. But that's intimidating.
Speaker 1: I would need I lost first place, uh, free agency.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm pumped up right now. I see
Speaker 1: what you're doing here. You're playing head games with you
Speaker 1: guys are really a lot of thought into how I
Speaker 1: came into today's show. I'm enjoying it. And finally in
Speaker 1: the news, Nick Mangold. But if you do try to
Speaker 1: eat out during Ramadan or go out in the summer
Speaker 1: months without water, you could starve and dehydrate. But other
Speaker 1: than that, all's good, guys, all's good. That didn't even
Speaker 1: have the word guitar and it just make sure you
Speaker 1: eat just Nick Mangolds, like if you just for some
Speaker 1: reason started the show right there, like a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: There's no no understanding of what this happened. You gotta
Speaker 1: catch up, folks. Nick Mangold has announced his retirement. He
Speaker 1: signed a one year, one day contract with the Jets. UH.
Speaker 1: He spent last year out of football. UH. Flirted a
Speaker 1: little bit with the Ravens, but they never signed. That
Speaker 1: never came to an agreement. So Mangold's careers over. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to throw in that centers, you don't really
Speaker 1: miss a center, and Mangold was one of the best
Speaker 1: in the league for a decade. You don't miss having
Speaker 1: a competent center, or certainly a star center until you
Speaker 1: you don't have one. And UH, Jets fans have not
Speaker 1: been blessed over the years and a a lot of important positions,
Speaker 1: but they went from Kevin Mauai directly to Nick Mangold
Speaker 1: for about a twenty year stretch for the franchise, and
Speaker 1: then last year bang Wesley Johnson, who is one of
Speaker 1: the worst graded out centers in the league and certainly
Speaker 1: did not help Billy Powell, didn't help the quarterbacks. UH.
Speaker 1: And there there's no the Jets have been in the
Speaker 1: market for a new center, so Mangold is I love
Speaker 1: it the Jets are like the center version of the
Speaker 1: Packers and quarterbacks exactly. We're almost there. One spot we
Speaker 1: missed it, but Mangold retires and one of my favorite
Speaker 1: personalities on the Jets Mangolds great player. I feel like
Speaker 1: he's a little bit like Donovan McNabb in my mind
Speaker 1: that the first ten years of his career, you're thinking
Speaker 1: Hall of fame and it just doesn't end the way
Speaker 1: that you think a Hall of famer's career shouldn't. His
Speaker 1: body just kind of broke down on him. Uh. And
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news all right before we
Speaker 1: get to uh, Evan Silva, uh West you you brought
Speaker 1: this to our attention. UH, So I just wanted to
Speaker 1: surface it here on the podcast. The Falcons began their
Speaker 1: offseason workout program and they released a nice tidy video
Speaker 1: with head coach and friend of the show Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: uh speaking to his team uh for the first time
Speaker 1: and uh I I enjoyed watching it because it does
Speaker 1: provide a lot of insight into what coaches have to
Speaker 1: kind of the stick that they need to come up
Speaker 1: with every year around this time, and especially they have
Speaker 1: to come up with whether it's a catchphrase or some
Speaker 1: type of general like message that has to be the
Speaker 1: general same message. It's gotta be a little different. It's
Speaker 1: that's one of the challenges being a coach. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of what Richard Sherman said about Pete Carroll that
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of these great stories and ways
Speaker 1: to fire us up, but he's only got so many
Speaker 1: and we he keeps starting to re is him a
Speaker 1: bunch for the guys that seven or eight years and
Speaker 1: it's like, we've heard all your stories at this point,
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, maybe that's why he's getting rid of some players.
Speaker 1: So let's hear Dan Quinn, now entering his fourth season
Speaker 1: with the Falcons, what he's coming up with. It's always
Speaker 1: a good time to remind you. The shortcuts a lot
Speaker 1: and uh so, we got a strain, we got a battle.
Speaker 1: We gotta put it in for one another, and knowing
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be a big part of what we
Speaker 1: do um to be the best version of you. There
Speaker 1: really ain't no shortcuts. It's gonna be early more, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be straining, it's gonna be all this stuff you
Speaker 1: gotta do together and don't take a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot of disc pine. He the buzzword is what strain,
Speaker 1: which is kind of an interesting but let's be honest.
Speaker 1: I love Dan Quinn, friend of the show. Strain interesting one. Well,
Speaker 1: other teams haven't used it. I see a lot of
Speaker 1: teams kind of biting and using the same slogans and stuff.
Speaker 1: He's coming original side, right. It's not like play like
Speaker 1: a falcon or anything. But strain is I get it.
Speaker 1: It's effort and it's giving max effort and you don't
Speaker 1: want to use maybe some more familiar words and that
Speaker 1: a but strain almos has a negative content. It feels
Speaker 1: like a Nicolas cage maybe about an airborne disease. It's
Speaker 1: a strain of the strain. Uh. And then I this
Speaker 1: another trope of head coaches and we see it every
Speaker 1: year on hard Knocks, building analogies. All right, over the
Speaker 1: next two weeks, all right, what do you want to
Speaker 1: get done? Now? I'm putting that foundation into his right an.
Speaker 1: I want to try to apply and putting my stuff.
Speaker 1: Don't buy a live man. Alright, all the stuff we've
Speaker 1: got to put out for one another. Start putting that
Speaker 1: foundation together. Got some bricks up there, bricks keep adding
Speaker 1: to it all right as we go foundation bricks. That's
Speaker 1: a big thing. You remember in Hard Knocks last year,
Speaker 1: I want Dan Quinn to just coach our podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish he was coaching my football. Come in, come
Speaker 1: over every few months. That's all we need. On the
Speaker 1: Bucks Hard Knock season. It was a golden opportunity for
Speaker 1: the dirt Cutter and the coaching step because they were
Speaker 1: actually building a new training facility next to the existing
Speaker 1: any facility. So the entire summer was just a bunch
Speaker 1: of construction analogies. Uh So that that's a that's a
Speaker 1: popular one. One of the most impressive things about NFL
Speaker 1: coaches to me is that they're able to spend so
Speaker 1: much time annotating motivational speaker books, like that whole niche
Speaker 1: market of the books where it's just motivational books. They
Speaker 1: must spend all off season reading that stuff. This this
Speaker 1: is really a tease because I want to do later
Speaker 1: in the off season, really in the dog days, the
Speaker 1: motivational slogan power rankings across the NFL. We gotta do
Speaker 1: some research and we gotta look around because I noticed
Speaker 1: Rams love the Rams rooting for them this year. You know,
Speaker 1: team of around the NFL last year. Their big slogan
Speaker 1: last year was we not me. But this year they've
Speaker 1: made we not me. Uh. The middle block of a
Speaker 1: very confusing pyramid, which it's a it's a mixed message,
Speaker 1: it's too many words. I think. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna end up high on the power. I'm a little
Speaker 1: concerned about the rams based on this shirt. If you
Speaker 1: check out if you look at Alden unders or Gonzals
Speaker 1: tweeted it out ESPs but also listened to the show.
Speaker 1: Nice shout out to Alden. If you look at the
Speaker 1: bottom layer of this pyramid, character connected consistency communication, you
Speaker 1: know what that is? Great? Well, yes, it's the foundation
Speaker 1: of that okay triangle foundation and uh And just because
Speaker 1: West I know you're a huge Spurs fan, I thought
Speaker 1: you'd like God, alright, you like this from Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: Good better best, never let it rest. So you're good
Speaker 1: is better and you're better at the best, all right,
Speaker 1: that's strain is all right and getting your game exactly
Speaker 1: like you want. So that's another trope, the using another
Speaker 1: famous athlete like something they said, or using a champion
Speaker 1: from another sport and then he drops another strain in there,
Speaker 1: so that the strain hat trick. I call it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bad time a year to be a Spurs fan this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they down down O two and Kauai is nowhere to
Speaker 1: be found. Um he might have played his last game
Speaker 1: right ever for the Spur Yeah, isn't there some There's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about that. I'm not putting. I
Speaker 1: mean it seems like he's been hit with the strain
Speaker 1: or something. He's too hard or maybe needs to strain more.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people forget that if you have one
Speaker 1: of the best players in the NBA, your only job
Speaker 1: is to keep that player, because the best players in
Speaker 1: the NBA mean that much. The Giants, for instance, were
Speaker 1: smart enough to eventually come to their senses with Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: But in the end, like I thought you were gonna
Speaker 1: say that, they've they've you know, came back on the
Speaker 1: realization that Eli Manning is one of the best players
Speaker 1: in the NFL, because that's what they think. I mean,
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is like one of thirty players who will
Speaker 1: get regular snaps from the for the Giants. This. You know, basketball,
Speaker 1: you have like five guys if you have one of
Speaker 1: the top three players in the sport. You can't get
Speaker 1: rid of them, all right, So there you go. Good
Speaker 1: luck to the Falcons and the Spurs and the Spurs,
Speaker 1: and I hope the Lions are taking notes because I
Speaker 1: know they got they got going with their offseason program
Speaker 1: in a timely fashion. But if you really want to
Speaker 1: be a real power player in the NFC, like the
Speaker 1: Falcons are got a strain, Cardinals are already on the
Speaker 1: field practicing first team. That should be the Dan hands
Speaker 1: a sleeper pick for the year that they're already out there.
Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes is that like the new coach, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a balance, Steven. They even seem like the other
Speaker 1: new coaches are like, yeah, we're still gonna wait another week,
Speaker 1: but will okay Wilsie and well, Wilksie, you know, Wilsie
Speaker 1: knows Wilksi's in a tough spot. So Wilkie's like, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna practice literally every day, like fourteen hours a
Speaker 1: day and hope to get to eight wins. Good sound
Speaker 1: to be a Falcons fans, all right, Moving on, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about the Cardinals prospects to get I
Speaker 1: thought you would like that they'll be lucky to win
Speaker 1: eight games. Well, don't you don't aggress I don't feeling
Speaker 1: I don't know, tough time. I think, I'm it's it's April.
Speaker 1: It feels a little early to be writing off the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: But it's fair. I'm done from this perch. It's been done.
Speaker 1: You have access to the lab. I'm not about to
Speaker 1: be smirched your knowledge of or your predicting ability. Thanks well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. All right, moving on, it is time
Speaker 1: to can hinue our Draft Quarterbacks series. This will be
Speaker 1: the most important draft like ever. Guys. We need to
Speaker 1: talk about jos and to do that, to talk about
Speaker 1: the wyoming passer, the man with and they only use
Speaker 1: this caliber or a gun whenever talking about a man
Speaker 1: with a strong throwing arm in professional football. Howitzer attached
Speaker 1: to his right shoulder affixed. Uh. We are talking to
Speaker 1: Evan Silva. Oh yeah, baby, the big fish has been
Speaker 1: reeled in from Rhodo World. What's up, ev I'm doing well,
Speaker 1: What's what's up? Guys? Thanks for so much for having
Speaker 1: me back on the show. It's great to have you. Evan.
Speaker 1: Uh the iconic commentator on the most recent edition of
Speaker 1: The Graybeard's Roster Evan came hard at a lot of
Speaker 1: of my selections, especially my skill positions on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But the defense, who has tremendous though.
Speaker 1: I love how you put together that defensive front seven.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, man. I really appreciate who's running your defense,
Speaker 1: Rob Bryan. We got Robbed, No, we got Rex actuallyers coach.
Speaker 1: Rob's kind on the sideline. He's kind of a go
Speaker 1: for a type guy. But Evan's here. He is you
Speaker 1: know who he is. He's the senior editor of Rhoda
Speaker 1: World's football coverage. The man knows his stuff. And uh,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about who who's a good person
Speaker 1: to talked about Josh Allen, Who's really a divisive guy
Speaker 1: in this draft, the most the in terms of the
Speaker 1: push and pull. This guy is gonna be a stud.
Speaker 1: This guy is gonna be total bomb. Uh. There's no
Speaker 1: one like Josh Allen at the top of this draft.
Speaker 1: And Greg Rosenthal, you said to me when we were
Speaker 1: talking about this, Oh, I think Silva has some hot
Speaker 1: takes on this topic. Well, if you follow silv on Twitter,
Speaker 1: you've gotten some Josh Allen. Uh, you know, bile coming
Speaker 1: at this kid from Wyoming. So I I wanted to hear, Evan, Uh,
Speaker 1: explain it. You have and you haven't been a fan
Speaker 1: of Josh Allen as a draft prospect. That's fair to say, right, Evan. Now,
Speaker 1: I started watching him last off season, UM, and there
Speaker 1: was a game against Nebraska where he threw five interceptions
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, you know this kid is
Speaker 1: because he was being pumped up last off season as
Speaker 1: you know, the maybe the next great thing. And he
Speaker 1: had just this terrible game against Nebraska that that I watched,
Speaker 1: and just like you, kept getting worse and worse and
Speaker 1: worse and snowballing. And you know he didn't get better. Uh.
Speaker 1: During his second year as a starter at Wyoming, he
Speaker 1: was only a starter at Wyoming for two years he
Speaker 1: transferred from Juco. At Juco, he completed of his passes.
Speaker 1: In his theoretically big year at Wyoming he completed about
Speaker 1: fifty and then last year he was right about um
Speaker 1: and a lot of his struggles this past year were
Speaker 1: blamed on his supporting cast the year before, which was
Speaker 1: again theoretically his big year, He had a bunch of
Speaker 1: NFL He was surrounded by NFL talent. Their center is
Speaker 1: now the starting center for the Redskins um they had
Speaker 1: Cody Hollister at wide receiver. I'm sorry, Jacob Hollister, the
Speaker 1: brother of Cody Hollister currently on the Patriots, made some
Speaker 1: plays last preseason. No, Jacob, Jacob Hollister and Brian Hill
Speaker 1: was a fifth round pick of the Falcons last year. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think that Josh Allen, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, is a big you know, uh. Uh. Coaches
Speaker 1: will see him as a guy that they can mold,
Speaker 1: but I think that that's going to be really difficult
Speaker 1: because he has not demonstrated the ability to throw the
Speaker 1: ball with consistent accuracy at any level of football to date.
Speaker 1: Can't you say the same thing about Cam Newton, especially
Speaker 1: if you watched him the year after his m v
Speaker 1: P or Carson Wentz during his rookie year or Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck on a bad week or in the prime of
Speaker 1: their careers, John Elway, Brett Varve, Donna mc McNabb all had.
Speaker 1: All these guys are big, strapping athletic quarterbacks with come
Speaker 1: and go accuracy, and the offense is placed on their shoulders.
Speaker 1: Do you see any of that in Josh Allen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that Cam Newton is an interesting comparison, because
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is like a really special kind of athlete,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's really how he wins. He we
Speaker 1: know that he doesn't win with accuracy. He is a special,
Speaker 1: special athlete. And he was a dominant player at every
Speaker 1: level of football. I mean he was that. He went
Speaker 1: to Blinn College and you know, won the National Duco Championship.
Speaker 1: He went to all Burn and won the Heisman Trophy,
Speaker 1: so you know, he was He's been a dominant player
Speaker 1: at every level, whereas Josh Allen has been a guy
Speaker 1: who completed of his passes. And you know, the the
Speaker 1: offense at Wyoming was actually a run first offense, even
Speaker 1: though they had this great quarterback prospect. They were a
Speaker 1: run first offense, not really building the offense around Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: rather building it around Brian Hill or the running game
Speaker 1: in general. And I don't think that Josh Allen brings
Speaker 1: to the table what Cam Newton does as a runner.
Speaker 1: Here here are two opinions from very well known draft analysts.
Speaker 1: One that I struggle to make any sense of. One
Speaker 1: that that spooks me, especially big Fish, as you know
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan, that Allen is potentially in play
Speaker 1: for new York. Here's what mel Kaifer Jr. Had to say.
Speaker 1: I don't think his completion percentage of matters anymore. That's
Speaker 1: history now, it is what it is. I think people
Speaker 1: have moved past that. I don't know what that means,
Speaker 1: but take it as you will. And Mike Mayok are own.
Speaker 1: Mike Mayok said, I don't think his feet and eyes
Speaker 1: are connected. And that's a big, big deal with quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He's the most physically talented quarterback in this class, but
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to do a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do with his footwork. That footwork stuff, especially someone
Speaker 1: who's lived through Christian Hackenburg or the ghost of Christian Hackenburg,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And what also the other UH
Speaker 1: criticism that maybe doesn't anticipate well, and we talked about that,
Speaker 1: UH would really scare me, and especially if you're a
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns fan, because maybe it's all smoke screen, but
Speaker 1: putting a project like Josh Allen in Cleveland that is
Speaker 1: like one of those situations where it just smells like
Speaker 1: a disaster. UH. And I know we're skewing very negative
Speaker 1: right now. And that's part of the other discussion I
Speaker 1: wanted to have here, is that what what do people
Speaker 1: like about this guy other than the fact that he's
Speaker 1: got a howitzer and could throw the ball eight yards
Speaker 1: in the air. What what makes him a guy that
Speaker 1: would be with It's worth noting Mayok has him number
Speaker 1: two at quarterback, So Mayok is one of those one
Speaker 1: of those analysts who likes him better than Josh Rose
Speaker 1: and who likes him better than Baker Mayfield and and
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Why, Evan do you think like someone obviously
Speaker 1: you respect as much as Mayok and watched as much
Speaker 1: as Mayak likes Alan at that at the top five
Speaker 1: type of level. I think it's just purely the tools.
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, the common feeling is
Speaker 1: that he helped himself. I mean, Daniel Jeremiah has mentioned this.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen helped himself so much at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and at his Pro day and at the Combine, and
Speaker 1: his stock has like been solidified at those stages of
Speaker 1: the off season. Not necessarily what he did in the games,
Speaker 1: because he wasn't very good in the games, but what
Speaker 1: he has done, you know, at all the different stages
Speaker 1: of the off season, and that in and of itself,
Speaker 1: I think should be scary I think that the Browns
Speaker 1: at number one, and I I'm kind of leaning back
Speaker 1: towards thinking that they're gonna take Sam Donald like everybody else.
Speaker 1: But I think that at number one, the Browns could
Speaker 1: theoretically talk themselves into Josh Allen being a good idea
Speaker 1: at number one because they have Tyrod Taylor and they
Speaker 1: have that guy that they think they can start for
Speaker 1: a full year while Josh Allen sits from the bench
Speaker 1: and learns. But that, of course, in and of itself,
Speaker 1: is debatable because how have you guys ever gotten better
Speaker 1: at sports? The only way that I've ever gotten better
Speaker 1: at sports was by playing the sports and not you know,
Speaker 1: staying there on the sideline. West gave me a lot
Speaker 1: of good coaching in softball, I have to say, just
Speaker 1: mentally gave me some tips that that helped me out.
Speaker 1: But I hear, I hear what you're saying. Softball often
Speaker 1: compared to an NFL gridiron, it titles the title I
Speaker 1: hear you you you mentioned Cam. I mean, he is
Speaker 1: a alan Is. It does seem like a pretty uh
Speaker 1: special athlete like he can he can evade the rush
Speaker 1: and and run you know as well or are close
Speaker 1: to as well as a Carson, Like I can see
Speaker 1: why people kind of look at the body and and
Speaker 1: think like, Okay, maybe there's some Carson wentz to him
Speaker 1: there and they talked to him, and he seems, you know, smart,
Speaker 1: and people talk about his wonder Look, he's a great guy,
Speaker 1: whatever it's like. But I'm thinking football intelligence that's what
Speaker 1: matters more, and he doesn't really show that from what
Speaker 1: I've seen, Like he's very frenetic in the pocket where
Speaker 1: he he tries to leave before there's any pressure. He
Speaker 1: makes kind of crazy throws that you don't really know
Speaker 1: where it's coming. And like, I don't care if he's
Speaker 1: like a smart dude, and I care if he plays smart.
Speaker 1: Like Ryan Fitzpatrick's a smart dude. He doesn't play smart,
Speaker 1: and that that's the part I think if you're Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: like it's a lot to overcome, like getting accurate at
Speaker 1: the pro level and getting like pocket presence at the
Speaker 1: pro level, And I'm not sure he really showed that.
Speaker 1: Ran Fitzpatrick went's at Harvard. So in two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: we were told by the media that Blne Gobbert had
Speaker 1: just as good or chance as anybody to go number one.
Speaker 1: Overall to the Panthers that year. If you guys remember that,
Speaker 1: we do remember it was beaten into our head that
Speaker 1: Blene Gobert might go number one. And when people submitted
Speaker 1: their final mock draft, you know, the night before the draft,
Speaker 1: like a lot of those mock draft said Blae Gabbert
Speaker 1: at number one, and he wound up going to number eleven,
Speaker 1: going falling to number eleven, which she probably was more
Speaker 1: deserving of, certainly in hindsight. But he just wasn't very
Speaker 1: good in college. And that's why it was confusing enter
Speaker 1: that entering that draft is like, well, we have this
Speaker 1: one guy. He wins, you know, like Cam Newton was
Speaker 1: the best player in college football. Blaine Gabbert wasn't even
Speaker 1: good at Missoo and Josh Allen is similar, wasn't even
Speaker 1: good at Wyoming. I wonder if the Browns don't take
Speaker 1: commit one, how far could he fall? Could he slipped
Speaker 1: to like number twelve and the Bills. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great call. Like he is a guy as a as
Speaker 1: a guy that has a lot of red flags, but
Speaker 1: all this positive, these positives about his attributes and things
Speaker 1: of that nature. He could be that guy if you
Speaker 1: had to pick one of the four, the Big four,
Speaker 1: he would be the guy who could see slipping to
Speaker 1: the bills. And in an effort to extract something positive
Speaker 1: from Evan about Josh Allen, I'm gonna read a sentence
Speaker 1: from Sigmund Bloom, a guy we all know and respect
Speaker 1: who did some tape study from his Wyoming games, and
Speaker 1: Sigmund says, Alan is cartoonishly depicted as arm strength and
Speaker 1: size with nothing else holding him together, but in reality
Speaker 1: is a quarterback who can play the game with nuance
Speaker 1: and inspiration to amplify the impact of his gifts. Do
Speaker 1: you disagree with that, big fish? What do you got
Speaker 1: to say? Um, I think that that's just a glass
Speaker 1: half fool way to look at Josh Allen. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not like I think you have to look at
Speaker 1: him from a probability angle. You don't necessarily look at
Speaker 1: him from oh, he's a surefire bust. I mean I
Speaker 1: think that you look at him from a probability angle,
Speaker 1: and I think that his probability is low. Okay, but
Speaker 1: there is a chance that he could hit and certainly
Speaker 1: one of the um, you know, one of the biggest
Speaker 1: fact positive factors that we have going for Josh Allen
Speaker 1: is that it seems like the NFL loves him, and
Speaker 1: so you know, but besides that, we have we have
Speaker 1: the arm strength, we have the athleticism, the raw arms
Speaker 1: strength and athleticism. But you know, one of the feathers
Speaker 1: in his cap is that NFL decision makers seem to
Speaker 1: really like him. And that's certainly a positive treat. He
Speaker 1: seems to compete and he his great throws are great,
Speaker 1: Like you can see that, Like you can see the
Speaker 1: great throws are are incredible. It's sometimes it's just about perception.
Speaker 1: If if he was being talked about as a late
Speaker 1: second round pick with upside, we'd probably all be sitting
Speaker 1: here talking about how much we like him. It's just
Speaker 1: the fact that he's going in the top ten. Like
Speaker 1: you can see why people think here's a guy you
Speaker 1: can mold and maybe can turn into something different. But
Speaker 1: he's never really made the players around him better, which
Speaker 1: I that's kind of the point you made Silver That
Speaker 1: hits home with me the most, that he didn't really
Speaker 1: improve the Wyoming offense that much. And it seems like
Speaker 1: a factor for a quarterback and I care about the
Speaker 1: winning and losing stuff in college two in the Power
Speaker 1: five against opponents in the Power five oh and three
Speaker 1: one touchdown, eight picks completion. So there's a lot to
Speaker 1: be scared off by if you're a team, But maybe
Speaker 1: a team just falls in love with those abilities. Evan,
Speaker 1: I'm in love with your abilities, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think that if you're just looking
Speaker 1: at it from a probability angle, who do you think
Speaker 1: has the higher probability Josh Rosen or Josh Allen based
Speaker 1: on everything that we know about these guys, who would
Speaker 1: be a higher probability NFL quarterback for sure? I mean
Speaker 1: that that takes the health angle out of it too,
Speaker 1: doesn't it that that people are scared off by Rosen's
Speaker 1: medical history, which can be which can cause a prospect
Speaker 1: to bust just as easily as any other thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that Josh Rosen's health, you know, past history
Speaker 1: of injuries, is something that you certainly need to weigh
Speaker 1: into your analysis when you're trying to do, like talk
Speaker 1: about probability when it comes to these guys. I just
Speaker 1: think that Josh Rosen is such a better bet to
Speaker 1: become a long term NFL starter based on what we know. Yes,
Speaker 1: he has this. You know this, this story of some injuries,
Speaker 1: the shoulder injury, a couple of concussions, that's definitely something
Speaker 1: that you want to factor in. But even with those
Speaker 1: things factor in, factoring in, I think that Josh Allen
Speaker 1: is just such a superior prosper, such an inferior bet
Speaker 1: to Josh Rosen. And that's what the draft is all about.
Speaker 1: It's about Evan Silva. You can follow them at Evan Silva.
Speaker 1: He is a jug guzzler. He's the senior football editor
Speaker 1: of Rhoda World, and he is the father to the
Speaker 1: cutest little girl who was going to pick up at
Speaker 1: school right now. So thanks Evan for joining us, and
Speaker 1: we'll touch down the route down the line. Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: all right there he goes Evan Silva. Uh, you had
Speaker 1: one other things. There's a smart point about probability, that
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to, but that sort of
Speaker 1: eliminates ceilings and floors, and Josh Allen is seen as
Speaker 1: a guy with the biggest ceiling in the draft. And
Speaker 1: it reminds me of all of the people saying that
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's probability wasn't that high, that there was a
Speaker 1: big probability of bust, and when you make a mistake
Speaker 1: on something like that, it is a franchise dooming mistake.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's also the case for how the Brown's gonna
Speaker 1: I know it's different leadership, but could end up with
Speaker 1: Josh Allen because they will go against uh. The instincts
Speaker 1: that they had with Wentz didn't work out and now
Speaker 1: they know we're gonna bet on ability and raw talent
Speaker 1: and what are the worst franchises always doing reacting to
Speaker 1: the mistakes of their previous regime. You're rooting for Josh
Speaker 1: Allen because you don't like you don't like dogmatic thinking,
Speaker 1: west that that everyone basically has written this guy off.
Speaker 1: I am absolute rooting for Josh Allen because analytics were
Speaker 1: created to combat dogmatic thinking, and instead most analytics lovers
Speaker 1: now embraced dogmatism as long as that dogmatism is what
Speaker 1: the analytics say it is. Yeah. The thing, the thing is,
Speaker 1: I think that the tape for him is the thing
Speaker 1: that can you know, I watched all the people who
Speaker 1: are start with watching tape love him right the some
Speaker 1: some do, some don't. It's it's just the propelled it's
Speaker 1: the volume, and it reminds me of like how you
Speaker 1: look at NFL quarterbacks too, and Cam is a good
Speaker 1: example if someone who's kind of broken out of that.
Speaker 1: But Cam has always been able to throw the ball deep.
Speaker 1: It's the high quantity of totally missed routine throws, like missed,
Speaker 1: like you're just missing five yard throws, just totally missed
Speaker 1: routine throws. And then also like the deeper throws. You
Speaker 1: know he wasn't connecting on too much either, and it's
Speaker 1: just that they're missing by a lot. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that something that can because the
Speaker 1: athleticism is awesome, some throws on the run are like crazy.
Speaker 1: I haven't broken down his tape. I read the Sigma
Speaker 1: Bloom piece and he said he misses three to five
Speaker 1: throws a game, which you can get You can get
Speaker 1: around that. You can definitely get around missing three to
Speaker 1: five throws a game. If that's it, then yeah, you
Speaker 1: need to make up for it with a like a
Speaker 1: He seems like a guy who could fit in a
Speaker 1: highly schemed type of offense. But that's what Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is in right now, Like Highley schemed, like let's count
Speaker 1: on him to be athletic and like work around those drinks,
Speaker 1: like if he lands in the right spot then then
Speaker 1: that could well. So I don't know how much you
Speaker 1: put into if you missed on three to five, like
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was played out of his mind of the
Speaker 1: well there was also he mentioned the Nebraska gave there
Speaker 1: was like one game in each year, and the Boise
Speaker 1: game is crazy. I mean the boys the game. If
Speaker 1: you watch the game, you would think he's one of
Speaker 1: the worst quarterbacks you know in college football. It wasn't
Speaker 1: three to five, it was like fifteen in that game,
Speaker 1: which is several games of Cam Newton every year except
Speaker 1: for his MVP. That's well, I don't want to minimize
Speaker 1: the difference. Cam Newton is the best running quarterback for
Speaker 1: the most efficient running quarterback in NFL history, So I
Speaker 1: don't want to like act like this guy can just
Speaker 1: come in and do what Cam Newton does. Cam Newton's
Speaker 1: run ability is totally I don't want to say it's
Speaker 1: underrated because people know he's a runner, but he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a starting quarterback in the NFL without that run,
Speaker 1: right And Alan I think will be will kind of
Speaker 1: be the same way, but I don't think he's quite
Speaker 1: at that level. The more. The more I watched him,
Speaker 1: I thought more Josh McCown, who to me is a
Speaker 1: really underrated athlete who can really kind of just create
Speaker 1: things on his own, has a great arm, it can
Speaker 1: can run really well, has had a drafted better hope
Speaker 1: that's had a great career. But that's not who I'm
Speaker 1: taking in the top five. If he goes top five
Speaker 1: or even top twelve, you want him to be better
Speaker 1: than Josh McCown, even though we all love Josh. All Right,
Speaker 1: that's it for today's Additionally, Around the NFL Podcast a
Speaker 1: reminder that on Friday, and we hope to have Sessler
Speaker 1: back with us, it is the return of your the GM.
Speaker 1: One of our favorite segments and one of the listener
Speaker 1: favorite segments of the Around the NFL Podcast. A little
Speaker 1: role playing, a little cosplay. Well, no one's gonna be
Speaker 1: dressed up as their favorite GM. How do you know
Speaker 1: that would be a first? I'm gonna dress up as
Speaker 1: Reggie Mcki. Actually yeah, I would, Sugar. Now you've got
Speaker 1: me thinking, it wouldn't be that hard to dress up
Speaker 1: as John Dorsey. Just find like an like a twenty
Speaker 1: year old brown some white high tops. It was like
Speaker 1: seven marks definitely got a sweatshirt that could. It's gotta
Speaker 1: be two sizes too big, right, so I could wear marks.
Speaker 1: Maybe it would work for me. I feel like fifty
Speaker 1: s of NFL personnel just wear brown kaggies and white sneakers,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna dress it. Dimitrov, You'll be very slick.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some fancy glay says with multiple colors
Speaker 1: on all right, so looking forward to that. Until then,
Speaker 1: this is Dan hans As signing off for the Mound
Speaker 1: and the Old Boss and the Big Fish. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us, of course, this money bags behind the glass
Speaker 1: till Friday. M