Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast builds through the Draft. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I'm in a room that
Speaker 1: is just filled with heroes, two of them wearing the
Speaker 1: exact same shirt mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Roseythal.
Speaker 1: What's up? Boys? Hey? In To be clear, Dan, these
Speaker 1: are sweatshirts, not shirts, Just to give you a little
Speaker 1: bit of a brief garments rundown. They are adorable and
Speaker 1: the Patriots ridiculous draft. Yes, this is a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of bubbling heat. Already in the newsroom downstairs,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling has to Howitzer's attached. It's the only gun
Speaker 1: I know because of this draft cycling only I only
Speaker 1: know Howitzer um uh not happy or not impressed by
Speaker 1: what the Patriots did in the draft. Greg already on
Speaker 1: his heels. How am I going to combat West? Here?
Speaker 1: This is gonna be one of the great scientists podcast
Speaker 1: of all time? I could already feel it. Your your
Speaker 1: quarterback is forty years old. How about a monicum of
Speaker 1: a sense of urgency? I've never I've never. I love
Speaker 1: it because West has never sounded more like Sully from
Speaker 1: Dorchester calling up the EI. What the heck you're throwing
Speaker 1: You're traded for future picks? What's going on? Well, Greg,
Speaker 1: here's one thing through through a lot of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got very limited rade through a lot of ups
Speaker 1: and downs with the Patriots, you know, the Tom Ladies
Speaker 1: suspensions of greg Or West has been your constant traveling
Speaker 1: companion and right, and I've been down that and likes
Speaker 1: Jimmy Victories a year host Jimmy Garoppolo trade. Wes is
Speaker 1: out on New England. He is. It's a combination of
Speaker 1: things with the Garoppolo trade. But but the backbreaker was
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler and the Super Bowl in that just ridiculous
Speaker 1: notion of benching one of your best players because you
Speaker 1: know it's only the most important game of the year
Speaker 1: and what you play your entire season for. And you're like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we we can't use one of ours defenders today, Bill Belichick,
Speaker 1: you should know Chris Westling turns his back on you.
Speaker 1: Ask Mike Brown done, it's over. There's no going back. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to sleep at night four and twelve.
Speaker 1: He's like, wait, draft analysis negative from West the draft expert.
Speaker 1: He put in that much homework into the draft compar
Speaker 1: to me, and he knows better than Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's just slightly disrespectful towards West. So if you are
Speaker 1: yes listening, if you're still listening, that is the big
Speaker 1: heat bubbling underneath this show, which is the final recap
Speaker 1: of the two thousand eighteen NFL Draft rounds one through seven.
Speaker 1: How much do we respect Round seven where we're recording
Speaker 1: this podcast as pick seven from the Dolphins comes in,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Let how about this. Hit me up
Speaker 1: on Twitter, let me know who Mr Irrelevant is this year.
Speaker 1: I'm fine. You're out on Mr Irrelevant more than ever before.
Speaker 1: You feel that the vehicle no longer is is relevant,
Speaker 1: I think it's time for the whole Mr. Irrelevant stick
Speaker 1: to be put to bed. By definition, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think when the real Mr Irrelevant you know who
Speaker 1: I who I love? When when he passed away, they
Speaker 1: should have gotten rid of the tradition, you know with him.
Speaker 1: I think he still Okay, now he doesn't matter, lindsay,
Speaker 1: can you look that up? Can you see Mr Rol
Speaker 1: He's alive? That was the joke. But yeah, that is
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right. So what's today's show about. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you are um not caught up, go and listen
Speaker 1: to our Thursday night show where we recapped all the
Speaker 1: first round picks, a lot of sex appeal in the
Speaker 1: first round with five quarterbacks going and all that fun
Speaker 1: stuff and all the trades. Uh. Now we're going to
Speaker 1: go through the whole draft and also a little bit
Speaker 1: of winners and losers of the two thousand eighteen NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and that's always fun. But let's talk about some of
Speaker 1: the big news that kind of came out of Friday
Speaker 1: and Saturday and think the story that everybody kind of
Speaker 1: loves and it was obviously the big human interest story
Speaker 1: on Saturday, but also a kind of interesting football story
Speaker 1: was Shack Griffin joining his brother in Seattle. And this
Speaker 1: is very cool. Lindsay got us the audio of the
Speaker 1: phone call from Carol and Uh Schneider the GM UH
Speaker 1: speaking with Griffin when the draft one down. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, what's happening to you? No doubt? Tome?
Speaker 1: Oh sorry one Hello chickens, John str com Brody, how
Speaker 1: you doing? I can't I can't even breathe right now?
Speaker 1: You get to play with your brother again. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna pick you right here. Okay, okay, well he congratulations,
Speaker 1: can't wait to see it. You shack you Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: breathe right now. I'm not going still can't breathe. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. It's a real deal, man. This is a
Speaker 1: great moment, and we're really we're expecting you to come
Speaker 1: in here and bust now. You know that right, everything
Speaker 1: I got, I know you will. Congratulations on it. Congrats
Speaker 1: to your brother too and your family. I know everybody's
Speaker 1: really excited about this, and and uh couldn't be sweeter
Speaker 1: humble as I know. It's freaking awesome. Congratulations. That is
Speaker 1: so Pete Carroll. It's freaking awesome. I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of things in the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: by the time you get to the end of this
Speaker 1: seventh round. Uh yeah, I think sitting in the newsroom
Speaker 1: all all weekend long, that you can start to feel
Speaker 1: a little worn down by some narratives that just get
Speaker 1: pounded into your head over and over. And I mean
Speaker 1: this certainly was on a pretty quiet third day of
Speaker 1: the draft, a centerpiece. But that call watching you watch
Speaker 1: the video too, if you have the Seahawks tweeted out,
Speaker 1: it is cool. I mean it is like the way
Speaker 1: this ended up. This is a guy that didn't even
Speaker 1: initially wasn't even on the radar of the combine, and
Speaker 1: so to go from where he went, not forget about
Speaker 1: all the other stuff beforehand, from the combine to here
Speaker 1: to end up with his brother in Seattle. And I
Speaker 1: the one thing I do trust about the Seahawks. This
Speaker 1: isn't some sort of pr move on any point on
Speaker 1: any part on their part. They know the story Kim Griffin.
Speaker 1: He was he was born with some type of abnormality uh,
Speaker 1: which led to them having to amputate his left hand
Speaker 1: when he was four years old. So it's a tremendous story,
Speaker 1: the idea uh and we heard about it leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft. This guy could get drafted. But now
Speaker 1: he's actually in the NFL. And that's what makes it
Speaker 1: such an amazing story. Mayock had good analysis, so they
Speaker 1: have to find out the key with him is how
Speaker 1: to use him. He's not an immediate fit for a
Speaker 1: lot of NFL defenses. He does somethings really well, and
Speaker 1: that Seattle, you trust, can do it. I stand in
Speaker 1: all of his determination. I can only imagine how many
Speaker 1: times throughout his life he's been told that he can't
Speaker 1: do something, and the amount of will power you have
Speaker 1: to have to put yourself in this position. And you
Speaker 1: know Bob McGinn, who who puts out a great draft product,
Speaker 1: pulling scouts, um, long time Packers beat writer. A lot
Speaker 1: of these scouts are negative about shall check Griffin and say,
Speaker 1: you know he's not gonna have a good NFL career.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft a guy. Good luck doubting this guy,
Speaker 1: because every time he's been doubted, he's come through in
Speaker 1: a superlative fashion, including just knocking the doors off the
Speaker 1: combine leading his college team to an undefeated record as
Speaker 1: a leading tackler. I wouldn't doubt him. I mean as
Speaker 1: recently as I think a season or two seasons ago,
Speaker 1: he was thinking about quitting because he basically had no
Speaker 1: place on the Central Florida team, had to change positions,
Speaker 1: had to figure out if he could even play. And
Speaker 1: it's such an amazing story because you know, we have
Speaker 1: we all have brothers, brothers in this room, and to
Speaker 1: see the two brothers crying and while they're hugging was
Speaker 1: one of the best draft moments ever. Because I made
Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons Shakim Griffin is there tonight
Speaker 1: is because of Shakille Griffin. He refused to go to
Speaker 1: any college that wouldn't take that and also offer his brother, Chakim.
Speaker 1: He could have gone to a lot of bigger schools
Speaker 1: and instead he made it happen where he brought him
Speaker 1: and Chakim to Central Florida and then for the two
Speaker 1: of them to go into the NFL a year a
Speaker 1: part on the same team. I mean, you can't, You
Speaker 1: just can't write this stuff. And to your point, like
Speaker 1: for us, the Shakim Griffin story is pretty much new
Speaker 1: and and months old at most, but for him, I mean,
Speaker 1: we all have kids too, except you know West West
Speaker 1: Uh does not at the moment. He will it someday.
Speaker 1: And just just to sum that up, but uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: you watch your own kids thinking, you watch your kids
Speaker 1: have difficulties, and and yet what he's dealt with from
Speaker 1: a very young age, and we know how it is
Speaker 1: to be to be a kid in school when they
Speaker 1: pick on anyone that's different on any level. His story
Speaker 1: has been going on for so long. This is an
Speaker 1: unbelievable moment for that family. And and the NFL. The
Speaker 1: way it turned out for the NFL, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: cool to watch the Seahawks because of this. They said back. Basically,
Speaker 1: he'll back up kJ right, that's the position that he's
Speaker 1: to be starting at. Good special team. So there's a
Speaker 1: great draft story. Um. Every year there seems to be
Speaker 1: some story that Network latches onto or ESPN latches onto
Speaker 1: and this is that story. But it's a great story.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're tedious. This is the opposite. Sometimes you see
Speaker 1: the strain. In this case, it's a very organic, beautiful tale. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's move on and talk about some other stuff on
Speaker 1: the football field. Hey, the trade tsunami. You think you
Speaker 1: think Dallas is safe from a tsunami. You think that
Speaker 1: where it is positioned on the on the map, which
Speaker 1: is kind of central northern Texas area, M not safe.
Speaker 1: The tsunami hit because Tavon Austin Uh, the wide receiver
Speaker 1: that the Rams once upon a time took eighth overall
Speaker 1: and then gave an insane and totally insane contract extension
Speaker 1: to a couple of years back. He never matched the
Speaker 1: hype and and the pay, and Uh he was briefly
Speaker 1: cut this offseason. If I were call and then brought back.
Speaker 1: It was something weird. It was reported that he was
Speaker 1: going to be cut. Never happened, all right, but whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever the case, maybe the Rams decided, well that's the case,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Greig. The Rams decided they were going to
Speaker 1: move on, and they found a taker in the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: who uh take Tavon Austin off l A's hands in
Speaker 1: exchange for the d pick in the teen draft. Uh
Speaker 1: so something of a salary dump. Greg And the big
Speaker 1: news out of this um in terms of Austin going
Speaker 1: forward is Ian Rapp report reports the Cowboys when he
Speaker 1: use them as a running back exclusively. What and that
Speaker 1: was one of the worst contracts of the of the decade.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how Sean McVeigh is kind of just erased
Speaker 1: a lot of problems that happened during well and they
Speaker 1: are currently eating the four million dollar bus they gave
Speaker 1: him a month. I was very confused about this trade
Speaker 1: at first, like why would the Cowboys take on that money?
Speaker 1: But that makes sense that they had given a four
Speaker 1: million dollar roster bonus which was guaranteed. So basically the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are taking at least one million dollars off of
Speaker 1: the Rams salary and they get a sick throughout. The
Speaker 1: Rams get a sixth round pick for their trouble. I
Speaker 1: still kind of don't understand why it's even worth it
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, but I guess they're just desperate for
Speaker 1: any playmaking help For me though, the idea that, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, no one's figured out how to use this player,
Speaker 1: so Dallas is going to use him as a third
Speaker 1: down back. We like the athlete, but I mean, who
Speaker 1: do you trust more McVeigh or Scott Linahan to unleash
Speaker 1: the so called talent well of of table and ust
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, he was a running back
Speaker 1: last year for much of the season and he was
Speaker 1: terribly used, and Sean McVeigh did a very poor job.
Speaker 1: When Bill Parcels came up with the words satellite back
Speaker 1: to describe a back who needs to be in space,
Speaker 1: it was it was derisive. It was these guys don't
Speaker 1: have enough power, they don't have enough in their pants
Speaker 1: to break tackles. And Tavon Austin, we see, he's gotta
Speaker 1: get personal about it now. He just he's too small
Speaker 1: to play football again. A little personal just happens like
Speaker 1: tiny backs Dexter mccluster was another one. Uh. In other
Speaker 1: Cowboys news ten days ago, Jason Witten, there forever tight
Speaker 1: end had confirmed he was coming back for another season
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. And now uh they report service one
Speaker 1: from mort ESPN uh that Witten will retire after fifteen
Speaker 1: seasons and he's planning to take a job in the
Speaker 1: booth on Monday Night football for ESPN. Uh So after
Speaker 1: many many years, how many years? Fifteen years and Witten
Speaker 1: was there forever he is ending his Cowboys career. It
Speaker 1: looks like, uh so the Cowboys another piece of that
Speaker 1: franchise mark that's been there forever. Uh dos Briant gone. Also,
Speaker 1: it's a new era for Dallas. The timing, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to say that Dallas Cowboys did Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant wrong with the timing of his release right before
Speaker 1: the draft, well this was equally ugly for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because they suddenly had a bona fide need a tight end.
Speaker 1: And I don't of the way they handled this. Um.
Speaker 1: It was sort of some hemming and hawing from Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones about whether this was going to really happen with Whitton,
Speaker 1: But who cares. You got a plan for the position,
Speaker 1: and they allowed nine tight ends to be drafted before
Speaker 1: they grabbed Dalton Schultz in the fourth round. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got a plan for that tight end in that
Speaker 1: offense with dark Prescott is a huge position and you
Speaker 1: have you are losing a major chunk of your of
Speaker 1: your playmaking ability right there. Seem like Jerry Jones was
Speaker 1: trying to talk Jason Witten out of it, but that
Speaker 1: Jason Witton, according to Ian Rappart and others, has basically
Speaker 1: made up his mind as he should because you know
Speaker 1: that opportunity is not going to come around very often.
Speaker 1: I'm not really in love with the idea that's like,
Speaker 1: well we couldn't get Tony Romo, Let's get his buddy.
Speaker 1: But it's just too many cowboys. It's like Aiman Witten Romo, Right,
Speaker 1: Why is doubt that eternal pipeline towards you know, a
Speaker 1: major broadcasting rules? Well counterpoint, well, I can't really speak.
Speaker 1: It's starback, but Aikman and rom two are the best.
Speaker 1: Andy Don Meredith Dandy Don a legend, so maybe there's
Speaker 1: a reason behind it. And Witten we knew from kind
Speaker 1: of covering the story in this podcast at the ESPN
Speaker 1: has been holding private auditions, so I'm assuming Witten went
Speaker 1: in there and probably did pretty well. H great career.
Speaker 1: I mean, if this, I guess we'll we'll maybe get
Speaker 1: an official We probably have time to do that when
Speaker 1: he retires in a week, right, probably. I also, by
Speaker 1: the way, I think, I don't think it. No, I
Speaker 1: don't need to talk about his career, but I think
Speaker 1: he's doing the Cowboys a favor. It's like his playing
Speaker 1: time and there. I know he's still helpful, but his
Speaker 1: blocking was not nearly the same. He's certainly not the
Speaker 1: same receiver like cutting does Brighton Jason Witten retiring at
Speaker 1: the same time, it almost seems like a good thing.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just saying, no, I know, I just I'm
Speaker 1: saying move on. Though, I think he's doing them a favor.
Speaker 1: It's a sentimental Uh, he's a sentimental part of the team.
Speaker 1: That he's still feeling that much, and that they haven't
Speaker 1: a lumbering playmaker for the last couple of years. Right.
Speaker 1: And you can you he wasn't helping their passing game, no,
Speaker 1: And you knew the announcers that weren't watching tape when
Speaker 1: they were like Witten, one of the best blockers in
Speaker 1: the game. It's like he was getting blown up week
Speaker 1: after week. I mean, it happens. He was in his
Speaker 1: fifteen sixty year speaking of aging tight ends, who maybe
Speaker 1: at the end of the road, Antonio Gates and the
Speaker 1: Chargers are no more. This was surprised me. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that this was cooked. But I guess it all
Speaker 1: makes sense when you start to put it together. But
Speaker 1: ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the Chargers told Gates that
Speaker 1: the team will not be resigning him. Gates turning thirty
Speaker 1: eight in June. Uh, he's been around fifteen years. He
Speaker 1: has all sorts of tight end records like Witten, probable
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Uh. But West this probably helps the
Speaker 1: Chargers as well, right, So, I mean, at this point,
Speaker 1: what was Gates giving them? With all due respect to
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates Hall of Fame level career and he'll get in.
Speaker 1: This offense was so much better when Hunter Henry was
Speaker 1: on the field and Antonio Gates was on the bench
Speaker 1: last year. Their problems earlier in the year, A big
Speaker 1: part of it was because Antonio Gates was playing and
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry was on the bench. And then they became
Speaker 1: a much better offense when they reversed that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: a guy who I remember watching play power Forward for
Speaker 1: was a Kent State. Yes, he was a really good
Speaker 1: Not all these um tight ends fires. Now are you
Speaker 1: about to do some We always joke about the Gates
Speaker 1: basketball thing, but you're actually tell us what kind of
Speaker 1: basketball player he was. This is going next level average game.
Speaker 1: Let's go into the basketball in the tournament, and a
Speaker 1: lot of these tight ends who become football players weren't
Speaker 1: that great at tight end. Antonio Gates was a very
Speaker 1: good college three touch as well. That's that's that's surprized analysis.
Speaker 1: I mean, Gates would argue, and he's to set this
Speaker 1: over and over that I'm thirty seven, But I'm not
Speaker 1: a thirty seven year old football player the same way
Speaker 1: that a lot of these other guys are because I
Speaker 1: didn't play college and I didn't, you know, have all
Speaker 1: that wear and tear on me coming into the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's pretty I would just say, do you think he
Speaker 1: gets another job? I mean, to someone take a flyer
Speaker 1: as he's done. I think he's done. Probably not, and
Speaker 1: who knows if it is. If they didn't have anyone
Speaker 1: could have signed him already. For the past months they
Speaker 1: didn't have one of the best young tight ends in
Speaker 1: the league. Maybe they would think about bringing him back,
Speaker 1: but Hunter Henry is a beast. Under Henry is is
Speaker 1: ready to be a star. So it makes total sense. Hello,
Speaker 1: always have a home on the Gray Beards, at least
Speaker 1: for this season. Gradually locked in it you're you're starting
Speaker 1: tight end slot. He's locked in. Uh. This is going
Speaker 1: to be the draft that's remembered as the quarterback draft.
Speaker 1: So why don't we talk about the most notable quarterback
Speaker 1: pick in Day two or three? It was Mason Rudolph
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma State. The quarterback is a Pittsburgh Steeler after
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh traded up with the Seahawks to select Mason with
Speaker 1: the seventies six overall pick. And and this is why
Speaker 1: you get a little like it's you can see it.
Speaker 1: You see the future of the Steelers maybe coming together
Speaker 1: here because they also Gregg and you wrote about this
Speaker 1: in your Winners and Losers piece on Friday. They went
Speaker 1: in the second round and they get Mason Rudolph's wide
Speaker 1: receiver that he hooked up with consistently throughout his tenure
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State. And you know the Steelers know how
Speaker 1: to pick wide receivers. This could be the next step
Speaker 1: in the Pittsburgh Steelers evolution. Yeah, at this point, I
Speaker 1: expect if there's like a late second round pick by
Speaker 1: Kevin Colver, the Steelers general manager, who's explosive. Would you
Speaker 1: can see James Washington is just by watching some of
Speaker 1: the high like you expect he's gonna be awesome. I
Speaker 1: mean just I fully expect that. And so combining that
Speaker 1: with a quarterback a lot of people liked quite a bit,
Speaker 1: but it's not very mobile. Ben Roethlisberger's threatened to retire,
Speaker 1: so they they have to look at a quarterback. He
Speaker 1: sort of forced them to right in the and Landry
Speaker 1: Jones is just he had his chances, and he just
Speaker 1: could never prove or show that he was the guy
Speaker 1: that they could trust when Big Ben went down or
Speaker 1: if he suddenly did retire. So this one made a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I like it. It's funny because like
Speaker 1: when we look back on these quarterbacks, you know, wouldn't
Speaker 1: it be just the typical thing that one of these dates,
Speaker 1: like a Mason rute Off, winds up somehow being in
Speaker 1: this great position where he doesn't get thrown into the
Speaker 1: fire next September and he winds up gets comparisons to
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and he he're right, he's not mobile, but
Speaker 1: he's but they talked about he's an accurate pastor that
Speaker 1: I kind of like, I don't know, just like the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is kind of the perfect landing spot for a
Speaker 1: quarterback that could sit and chill for about two more
Speaker 1: years maybe then Big Ben rolls off into the sunset
Speaker 1: and we'll see. And they basically used the pick that
Speaker 1: they acquired from Mark Davis Bryant to make this trade.
Speaker 1: And when I when I first heard the Briant trade,
Speaker 1: I was thinking that's a good move for the Raiders,
Speaker 1: but West was very adamant about And now you know,
Speaker 1: going into the last year of his contract, that is
Speaker 1: the good The type of things smart organizations do is
Speaker 1: trade a guy like him in the last year of
Speaker 1: his contract and then take a chance on a guy
Speaker 1: who could be your future quarterback with that pick. Like
Speaker 1: plus he's plus he's a raging headache, so you've removed
Speaker 1: that from the locker room and other other news. The
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns a lot of high profile picks, including UH
Speaker 1: one and four in the top of the first round,
Speaker 1: but the number of thirty five overall pick. They went
Speaker 1: with Georgia running back Nick Chubb, who overcame a vicious,
Speaker 1: horrific knee injury earlier in his college career, uh to
Speaker 1: get back on track and become one of the better
Speaker 1: runners in college football. And now I ask you, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: as the resident Browns fan, what does this mean for
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide and everyone else in that backfield? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it means Carlos Hide, they can get out
Speaker 1: of the Carlos Hyde contract after next season if they're
Speaker 1: not thrilled with him. It's Carlos Hide is not Jim Thorpe.
Speaker 1: So let's just let's just settle down on the idea
Speaker 1: that you know he was going to be their standalone
Speaker 1: working They brought him in, they paid him a lot
Speaker 1: of myn I'd have no problem with number one. You need,
Speaker 1: you need three running backs on your roster to begin with.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with them bringing in Chubb
Speaker 1: and Chubb like last year, were lining up Jim Thorpe
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen, like I'm sure the Browns
Speaker 1: would somehow find a role for Jim Thorpe if he were,
Speaker 1: if he were in his prime. I liked I wanted
Speaker 1: them to get Nick Chubb because you know, when you're
Speaker 1: kind of just watching this raft, you're not some sort
Speaker 1: of draft Nick. I was like, get the running backs,
Speaker 1: get the wide receivers, and Shubb before his knee injury
Speaker 1: was an awesome running back. And they said that basically
Speaker 1: from the entire year after his knee injury was not
Speaker 1: the same. But towards the end of last season you
Speaker 1: started to see some of the elements that made him
Speaker 1: special before. So I think it's an interesting pick, and
Speaker 1: like they they need. They have the Browns on offense.
Speaker 1: You can laugh all you want. They quietly have a
Speaker 1: really interesting young roster of some pretty freaky athletes. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I woke up to seven text
Speaker 1: messages from a buddy at Huckapoos who was a huge
Speaker 1: Georgia Bulldogs fan and loves Nick Chubb. He is heartbroken.
Speaker 1: He says he's he's contemplating never watching football again because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want Nick Chubb on the Browns. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a hideous take. He was
Speaker 1: He was legitimately heartbroken and Um, he feels like Nick
Speaker 1: Chubb is better than say Kwon Barkley and deserved a
Speaker 1: better landing spot. But I said, why wouldn't you be
Speaker 1: happy that he can help turn the Browns around. That's
Speaker 1: gotta be I think that turnaround is going to happen eventually.
Speaker 1: And it's And they went out one of the things
Speaker 1: that eight and eight this year, well, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a crazy thing. Is eight and eight doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you need to blow people up, you know, every week.
Speaker 1: But Nick Chudd, they talked about the person. They loved
Speaker 1: the person as well, and like that that Bob McGain
Speaker 1: scouting report, if you go read what they wrote about him,
Speaker 1: it's like scouts love the guy too. So the Browns
Speaker 1: are are you know, there's a couple of character question
Speaker 1: marks for their day today, But they went out and
Speaker 1: tried to find guys who are leaders as well. I've
Speaker 1: just been lacking in that lock on that subject. The
Speaker 1: Browns also in the fourth round took Florida wide receiver
Speaker 1: Antonio Calla. That's a character guy. And this is a
Speaker 1: guy that, um, according to people in the know, has
Speaker 1: first round type talent, but has been a complete knucklehead
Speaker 1: off the field, was involved with the sexual assault investigation
Speaker 1: in which he made comments about his marijuana use took
Speaker 1: him out of any type of possibility of being involved.
Speaker 1: And then there was a credit card scam and uh
Speaker 1: and I said it too downstairs. My first takeaways, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get that guy in a room with Josh Gordon.
Speaker 1: Uh So I would have some concerns about that. But
Speaker 1: the talent a freaky athlete, as you say, he's been
Speaker 1: training with Antonio Brown. I just had a daughter and
Speaker 1: by his words, he says that having a child changed
Speaker 1: a lot for him. And we'll see. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely he's sitting there in the fourth round primarily
Speaker 1: and exclusively because of the person he's proven to be
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years. So there's one or
Speaker 1: two things. Either, like you know, I said to West,
Speaker 1: either you get get two birds one stone where he
Speaker 1: just pulls Josh Gordon out with him at some point,
Speaker 1: or maybe Josh Gordon, maybe Josh Gordon has been through
Speaker 1: enough where he's actually someone that could help mentor player
Speaker 1: like that. Who knows. I mean the only thing is
Speaker 1: that John Dorsey, he took Tyreek Hill, who had major
Speaker 1: character issues and that has worked in Kansas City. It's like,
Speaker 1: you have to have the right organization around you to
Speaker 1: make it work. And Cleveland needs to prove that they
Speaker 1: do well. Hugh Jackson needs to prove that he knows
Speaker 1: what to do with a lot of talent. Because you
Speaker 1: said you can make jokes about Cleveland all you want
Speaker 1: about their offense. I don't think anyone's making jokes about
Speaker 1: the talent on their offense. I think people are looking
Speaker 1: at what they have and thinking that's an offense that
Speaker 1: should move the ball. And you got you have a
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback in Tyrod Taylor, you have a number one
Speaker 1: overall pick, and Baker Mayfield, who kind of reminded me
Speaker 1: of Tyrod Taylor, a better Tyrod Taylor when when I
Speaker 1: watched him. And all of these guys, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: deep at these different positions and I don't mind them
Speaker 1: taking you get the Day three of the draft is
Speaker 1: for taking chances. You can't you can't kill a team
Speaker 1: unless it's like seven guys just like that, which is
Speaker 1: kind of like the Raiders Gordon because it's well known.
Speaker 1: What's funny because and now you're bringing this guy who
Speaker 1: was younger and more mature in his head is currently
Speaker 1: having issues. It's just like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would do that. The only thing is the only thing
Speaker 1: I'd say, it's not too None of us know these
Speaker 1: people personally at all, and there's a lot more they did,
Speaker 1: they didn't They the Browns feel like they do have
Speaker 1: a sense for who he is, and we'll see if
Speaker 1: it were. It's funny because they said about Chubb after
Speaker 1: they drafted him, he exemplifies everything we're trying to build
Speaker 1: here in Cleveland, and so like that's one one area
Speaker 1: and then we kind of take the opposite. Well, fine,
Speaker 1: but you can't put like by the way. If you
Speaker 1: side listening to that, you're like, well, by the way, though,
Speaker 1: you're not just good luck, good luck building an NFL
Speaker 1: roster where every player on it is, you know, a
Speaker 1: shining member of society. You're gonna You're not Dan Dan
Speaker 1: referenced this, but a want of the Browns and succeed.
Speaker 1: We're pulling for. I don't know everywhere we do you
Speaker 1: references Dan, But I feel like we deserve to read
Speaker 1: the actual sentence that Tom Pellicero wrote his various legal entanglements,
Speaker 1: A sexual assault allegation he was cleared of after a
Speaker 1: Title nine hearing in which Callaway said he was quote
Speaker 1: so stoned unquote a marijuana he didn't want to have
Speaker 1: sex with anyone cleared him of the charges. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's listen, it's not a spotless track record because the
Speaker 1: the the issues go far beyond that one incident. So,
Speaker 1: uh so that's what's going on Brown's corner. They will
Speaker 1: probably come hup a little later in the show. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Washington Redskins, who, by the way, we
Speaker 1: have breaking news. We do what do you got West?
Speaker 1: The Raiders have traded for another receiver whoa which one?
Speaker 1: Cowboys wide out Ryan Switzer, who this time last year
Speaker 1: was hailed as some kind of demon punt returner was
Speaker 1: going to take the league by storm and take cool
Speaker 1: Beasley's job, has been traded to the Raiders for defensive
Speaker 1: texts gehad Ward Gee howd Ward? What her name pounced?
Speaker 1: An intriguing trade, I thought the Cowboys, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: pretty early to jump out on him. Yeah, especially the
Speaker 1: way he was built up last year. Are you saying
Speaker 1: I thought they might chank Mark? John Gruden does it again.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we should get into the Raiders later.
Speaker 1: But they have had a fascinating draft of taking a
Speaker 1: ton of high risk, just making like every high risk,
Speaker 1: high reward move you possibly can. Gehad Ward was drafted high.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what's the second I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a second round pick that they're giving up. I'm
Speaker 1: clearly didn't work. I thought they might trade Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: after this, after the terrible season he had not after
Speaker 1: the tracks, he just laid down. Yeah, he's just laying down.
Speaker 1: He very similar player to Ryan Switzer. I'm just happy
Speaker 1: that you didn't shame West for breaking into the show
Speaker 1: with it relatively move, because I support such as much
Speaker 1: breaking news as possible. That's great here in the seventh
Speaker 1: that's supersed some of your very low level mezzanine breaking
Speaker 1: news elements that you brought. Thinks the privilege and when
Speaker 1: West does it, he West. I think it's coming from
Speaker 1: a good place, whereas you sometimes I question whether you're
Speaker 1: looking to keep the show on track or be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a joke. If I had done the
Speaker 1: exact same breaking news, would I have or would I not? Yes,
Speaker 1: because this would have been of the rare occurrence where
Speaker 1: you're not undermining the show but bringing content. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: a former executive editor, it's a little disturbing that your
Speaker 1: news judgment isn't better. Who is an executive editor? You
Speaker 1: were editor in chief, So uh, there's breaking news. Back
Speaker 1: to uh, the Washington Redskins stay in the NFC East
Speaker 1: and one of the sauciest moves of round two fifty
Speaker 1: nine overall, pick Darius Guys, the L S L s
Speaker 1: U running back who we heard time and time again
Speaker 1: was a first round talent. This guy should have gone
Speaker 1: in the top twenty and all that. However, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know this is these are young kids. You you
Speaker 1: forget like how young and immature some of these guys
Speaker 1: are because you think, oh, what was I like when
Speaker 1: I was twenty? Oh? But what if I was also
Speaker 1: famous and spectacularly talented and everyone wanted a piece of
Speaker 1: me at all times? Sometimes maybe something short circuit. I
Speaker 1: think that's what happened maybe with Geiss in this pre
Speaker 1: draft process, because he rubbed a lot of teams the
Speaker 1: wrong way, and the Redskins, who definitely was had a
Speaker 1: need for a player like Guys, end up taking the
Speaker 1: fifty nine. They inherit the risks that come with the pick,
Speaker 1: but it could have a big payoff. I had a
Speaker 1: long back and forth with spice Rack yesterday, who told
Speaker 1: me a year and a half ago, when everybody was
Speaker 1: going gaga over Leonard four Nette, that that Geiss was
Speaker 1: more of his favorite player than four Nette. Spice Rack
Speaker 1: has loved this guy forever, and he's like, why is
Speaker 1: he sliding? Well, he made up. He fabricated the story
Speaker 1: about a team asking him if his mom was a prostitute,
Speaker 1: flat outlined about that and his sexual orientation. Yes, another
Speaker 1: team caught him lying in their own interview, and then
Speaker 1: the report came out that during his interview with the
Speaker 1: Eagles there was like at the combine, Yeah, yeah, there was,
Speaker 1: there was some kind of outburst where he got into
Speaker 1: a shouting match with someone in the room. Um, to me,
Speaker 1: this isn't like, oh he's he needs a second chance.
Speaker 1: It seems just like he's a potential locker room weirdo,
Speaker 1: you know Bill Brandon Lloyd thing. I mean, he obviously
Speaker 1: has a problem with the truth. Well, he's also, as
Speaker 1: Dan mentioned, a kid, and so is he gonna grow
Speaker 1: out of that or not? Because nothing, there wasn't any
Speaker 1: like off the field like he's gotten into a ton
Speaker 1: of trouble. It wasn't stuff like that. And I think
Speaker 1: it's funny because his most obvious comparison, it just jumps
Speaker 1: off the screen, is Marshawn Lynch when you watch him run,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I can see why spice Wreck would
Speaker 1: love him, because like his balance and just the way
Speaker 1: he runs through people, and that he's running so hard,
Speaker 1: like his just his pants are on fire, down after down.
Speaker 1: You know, people compared him to Marshall Lynch, and it
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little of Marshall Lynch coming
Speaker 1: out of school, who had a lot of red flax
Speaker 1: people weren't too sure about. Ended up, you know, partly
Speaker 1: short circuiting his time in Buffalo until he really found
Speaker 1: a home, uh in Seattle. The Redskins were reportedly interested
Speaker 1: in taking him with the number thirteen overall pick. Chris
Speaker 1: Cooley tweeted ten days before the draft, the Redskins ideal
Speaker 1: draft is to draft to Ron Payne and Darius Guys,
Speaker 1: he said that, and that's exactly what happened. I don't
Speaker 1: think they expected it to happen. Just sitting in there
Speaker 1: two spots, they figured they probably would have had the
Speaker 1: trade up to go get him. So it works out
Speaker 1: nicely for the red It's it's easy for everyone to
Speaker 1: By the way, Redskins need to not tell Chris Cooley
Speaker 1: exactly what they're gonna do. That would help. I mean,
Speaker 1: he grew up in bat and really pretty plugged in.
Speaker 1: I know he's he's he's the announcer on the radio,
Speaker 1: and he knew exactly what they were gonna do. This
Speaker 1: is the first time Cooley has come on the air
Speaker 1: and said this is what the Redskins are thinking exactly,
Speaker 1: and it's turned out to be true. This guy's had
Speaker 1: had a really rough childhood and I think that happening.
Speaker 1: Large chunks of people covering the draft have no concept
Speaker 1: of what some of these kids have been through before
Speaker 1: they've gotten to this point, and so like the idea
Speaker 1: that there would be room for him to grow as
Speaker 1: a person. I'm glad the Redskins, you know, kept him
Speaker 1: on their board and and took him. Like Greg I
Speaker 1: watched him too, and like this is like a yard
Speaker 1: after contact machine. The dude is a hardass runner. He's
Speaker 1: not a big receiver necessarily, but he is a fun
Speaker 1: to watch and he will give that. I think the
Speaker 1: Redskins under Scott mcluan when he was there. We're building
Speaker 1: a tough offense where when they occasionally would have those
Speaker 1: games where they would focus on the run, it would work.
Speaker 1: They were a joy to watch. They seem like an
Speaker 1: old school team. This guy gives you an answer running
Speaker 1: back right away. If he can they keep his head
Speaker 1: on great platform. They can end up losing the guy
Speaker 1: that's now the highest paid quarterback in NFL history and
Speaker 1: be a better offense next year. Why not? Yeah? Um?
Speaker 1: In other news, Kai for Beth, that's competition. Surprise. We
Speaker 1: didn't leave the show it And I know what you're thinking,
Speaker 1: kais Ky. You know, Kay's a guy that's not gonna
Speaker 1: get two worked up about. Uh. You know other people
Speaker 1: coming in try to get his job. Kai is only
Speaker 1: gonna focus on Kai. But the Vikings draft at a
Speaker 1: kicker in the sixth round today. Weston knows his name.
Speaker 1: I don't. All I could. All I know is I
Speaker 1: think it's it's actually I saw a witty headline somewhere,
Speaker 1: might have been p f T. I think it's Daniel Carlson.
Speaker 1: That's correct, Cobra Kai against Danielson. I don't think you
Speaker 1: draft a kicker in the fifth round if you don't
Speaker 1: assume he's gonna take over the job. Oh no, Kai's
Speaker 1: Kai in a tough spot right now, Yes he is.
Speaker 1: Do we think Kai you know Kai being Kai? Do
Speaker 1: we think he's really gonna take this young kicker under
Speaker 1: his wing and mentor? And based on my knowledge of
Speaker 1: Kai via someone that is close to him, Uh, I
Speaker 1: don't imagine he's going to be incredibly It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be like Josh McCown uh telling telling Sam Donald, Hey,
Speaker 1: you could stay at my house until you get on
Speaker 1: your feet. It's not gonna be like that type of
Speaker 1: mentor relationship. It's gonna be more like I'll kill you
Speaker 1: if you come on this side of the room. Like
Speaker 1: take a piece of like masking tape in the kicker
Speaker 1: room and just say if you step over this line,
Speaker 1: kas kay, guy's gonna kill you. That type of situation.
Speaker 1: So occasionally kickers get replaced for being a holes. That
Speaker 1: is sort of what we're what we're suggesting here. Think
Speaker 1: in any line of worked, that's a risk speaking well,
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know him, but that's the report
Speaker 1: suggests that he's not a wonder kid say too much
Speaker 1: speaking of kickers that some people think maybe an a
Speaker 1: hole right now, let's lie here. David Akers announcing a
Speaker 1: pick for the Philadelphia Eagles at Cowboys Stadium, a T
Speaker 1: and T Stadium tonight. I'm representing the Philadelphia REGs. He's
Speaker 1: chefs devision, little chefs, chess, chaps, chaff bas drop picks.
Speaker 1: What bo amazing? That's pretty good. I mean it's a kicker.
Speaker 1: And some people are gonna say, hey, you know, calm
Speaker 1: down a little bit. Yeah me. This was on Greg's radar,
Speaker 1: like starting yesterday that Dallas has just been abused by
Speaker 1: one speaker after the next. I like, I like it
Speaker 1: as a as a trend, and it was a response.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a direct response to Drew Pearson last
Speaker 1: year in Philadelphia. I mean that's that he came in
Speaker 1: ready to respond. Drew Pearson comes after them last year. Hey,
Speaker 1: we haven't win a super Bowl in the in the
Speaker 1: following year, you're gonna get it, You're gonna eat it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I love it. Acre. I thought it's a
Speaker 1: little bit weird. Uh. Willie Brown came up did his
Speaker 1: Raiders spiel? You heard? Oh, Mike Vick can we hear
Speaker 1: Mike vick Don and for the record, I never lost
Speaker 1: to Dallas. He lost twice in six tries. Um, that's
Speaker 1: not here nor there. But he lost twice. How does
Speaker 1: he come up with that as a statement that vix
Speaker 1: out a long winding life. Maybe some things aren't as
Speaker 1: clear with him, but you think it is kind of
Speaker 1: weird that these these guys come up on the stage.
Speaker 1: First of all, they're just they're up there. It's weird
Speaker 1: to announce a pick, and instead it turns into this
Speaker 1: mega hate fest and the Cowboys. And then right after
Speaker 1: when they were showing um, when they right after the
Speaker 1: Acres thing went down, they cut to the Cowboys war
Speaker 1: room and I know they're very busy because they actually
Speaker 1: had the next pick. The Eagles jumped in front of
Speaker 1: him and took their guy and his name was Dallas,
Speaker 1: which is funny. But uh, you gotta think Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: is hearing this. He's like, why is this happening inside
Speaker 1: my building right now? What are we doing here? What?
Speaker 1: I didn't sign up for this? It is weird day akers.
Speaker 1: You don't play for the Eagles anymore. Oh, he's representing
Speaker 1: the fans. He didn't a little a little too amped up,
Speaker 1: I mean a little extra. He was very much someone
Speaker 1: made this comparison. It was perfect. He was exactly the
Speaker 1: He was like a manager of a heel. And I
Speaker 1: think it was Bill Barnwell that had that. I mean
Speaker 1: he was he was Erwin mar Shyster's former manager, and
Speaker 1: he definitely has a little Bobby Heenan. What would you say,
Speaker 1: lindsay you're a huge wrestling fan, what would be the
Speaker 1: famous manager You're a big I R. S fan? Slick?
Speaker 1: Who would be the wrestling valet? Not Slit was most
Speaker 1: like David Acres on Friday Paul hey Man, I guess
Speaker 1: like currently, if you're looking for a current guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's definitely Bobby Heenan. Yeah, he's got it, got a
Speaker 1: little hayne in d N. He was the biggest He'll
Speaker 1: manager of all time. Jimmy Hart was pretty good the
Speaker 1: Mount Jimmy Hart. You know what, Jimmy Hart is not
Speaker 1: a bad comparison either, because Jimmy Hart and David Acres
Speaker 1: are both sort of slight dude, so you kind of
Speaker 1: see that that's Jimmy Hart. Drove me nuts that, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that megaphone. That guy was annoying him and Honky talk Man. Please,
Speaker 1: you know it's a trend when calm down. Jimmy Hart,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he was like Jimmy Hart,
Speaker 1: Greg when you were born, maybe was like entering his prime.
Speaker 1: So he was managing. He was managing Brett Hart and
Speaker 1: Jim Yeah, and then whatever. Well let's say if the
Speaker 1: South podcast, they were the hard foundation, all right, So
Speaker 1: that's what's going on. I want to get into a
Speaker 1: little winners and losers. We got a lot that we're
Speaker 1: gonna do, so a few winners and losers. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna check in on or go get my lunch props,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna try to get Jeremy Bergman, who's
Speaker 1: one of our writers and editors downstairs who has been
Speaker 1: in Dallas, to get his thoughts on the scene. Philly
Speaker 1: got a major part. It was it's the year of
Speaker 1: Philly right now. And you could say kind of started
Speaker 1: with the draft last April when Philadelphia got a lot
Speaker 1: of pop for how lively that was. Let's find out
Speaker 1: from Burgo later how Dallas was. But let's do some
Speaker 1: winners and losers. Greg will start with you, because you
Speaker 1: did you've been cranking away your winners and losers piece
Speaker 1: Friday was Today's piece, the Sunday piece also some Dunton
Speaker 1: Ells it was more just winners essentially to the teams
Speaker 1: that how about Dunton Ells rebranding your your column because
Speaker 1: I feel like that it gives them more of an
Speaker 1: updated spin the way the kids talk. I think that
Speaker 1: would be a rough decision Dubs and Elson, which which
Speaker 1: team should we go in the funeral? I like what
Speaker 1: the Falcons did. I like I like the Falcons looking
Speaker 1: ahead and taking Calvin Ridley in the first round. I
Speaker 1: think they needed to juice up their offense a little bit,
Speaker 1: that they couldn't let it just sit there. I think
Speaker 1: getting Calvin Ridley was a great start. Everything I read
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Oliver, their second round pick at cornerback, I
Speaker 1: really like and I think they have a chance to
Speaker 1: be one of the uh better cornerback trios in the
Speaker 1: in the league if he can end up being as
Speaker 1: good as he looks. And then after that, they really
Speaker 1: stuck to kind of their m O. I like teams
Speaker 1: that have defined philosophies. They take guys who jump out
Speaker 1: of the gym, they take guys who score really high
Speaker 1: in the Spark Score and just are great athletes and speed,
Speaker 1: and you could see that from the third round throughout
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft. They kind of have an identity.
Speaker 1: And I thought the Ridley pick especially was kind of
Speaker 1: thinking a little bit in the future, which I which
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I like that for me, and it
Speaker 1: pains me somewhat to to acknowledge this, but I think
Speaker 1: that Ozzie Newsome in his final draft is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest gms that will ever you know, experience, knocked
Speaker 1: it out of the park, and you know, and the
Speaker 1: idea of like you want to leave some sort of
Speaker 1: a legacy behind. I love what they did with Hayden Hurst,
Speaker 1: a tight end that filled a need, but that was
Speaker 1: a great player at that position, and you unlike some
Speaker 1: of these teams that were too cowed to deal with
Speaker 1: the idea of trading up or acquiring Lamar Jackson Baltimore suddenly,
Speaker 1: which I mean, Joe Flacco, you're a super Bowl winner,
Speaker 1: but but Joe Flacco, the stink on him for me
Speaker 1: has always been just a little bit of a dull
Speaker 1: aura around Joe Flacco. That the Ravens offense, especially of
Speaker 1: late and the back the back issue version of Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco is painful to witness, and the entire Ravens offense
Speaker 1: for the past couple of years has been stuck in
Speaker 1: the mud. And suddenly you try to tell me that
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is gonna hold off Lamar Jackson this season.
Speaker 1: Good luck to you, because we're gonna get a taste
Speaker 1: of him in the preseason and the Baltimore fans are
Speaker 1: gonna freak out if he does what we think he
Speaker 1: can do, and there's gonna be major changes in Baltimore
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be Azzi Knewsome. He started this organization
Speaker 1: with the homework he did in Cleveland to take Jonathan
Speaker 1: Ogden and ray Lewis. That was incredible continuity that that
Speaker 1: ray Lewis basically is correct said that Baltimore Ravens would
Speaker 1: never have been the team we that they turned out
Speaker 1: to be had Ozzy Knewsom not been the guy making
Speaker 1: those picks so correctly. And he finishes it by giving
Speaker 1: them one of the most exciting quarterback prospects in the
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. The Ravens are a winner. They
Speaker 1: also take Zeus Brown's son as a possible right tackle.
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews they got. The tight end they drafted in
Speaker 1: a third round might even be a better receiver than
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst, the guy they got early on. So I
Speaker 1: love what Ozzy did and I like to look at
Speaker 1: this like in combination with the free agent plan too.
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens and the Bucks I spoke about
Speaker 1: it on the last podcast, have had the two most
Speaker 1: impressive off seasons. But I already talked about that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Bears. I love the Roquan Smith
Speaker 1: pick and then the second rounder Anthony Miller. This is
Speaker 1: the guy that scouts absolutely love when you hear things like,
Speaker 1: oh dude, that guy's just a football play football playing monster,
Speaker 1: or every quarterback would love to have him. Tough as nails.
Speaker 1: To me, like that's as a slot receiver doesn't get
Speaker 1: any more complimentary from scouts than that. I just love
Speaker 1: everything that the Bears have done since the offseason started.
Speaker 1: They doesn't it feel like and they are now entering
Speaker 1: offseason darling territory a little bit, But doesn't it feel
Speaker 1: like they are in really good position to make a
Speaker 1: jump and be a competitive in the NFC. And it
Speaker 1: hasn't been that way in a while they are so
Speaker 1: much more interesting going into this season than they have
Speaker 1: been in a long time. I couldn't agree more with West.
Speaker 1: I think they had a great draft, and I think
Speaker 1: they had a great offseason at all, kind of like
Speaker 1: you mentioned with the Ravens, that all complement each other.
Speaker 1: I think getting Naggie kind of gave them a purpose.
Speaker 1: They didn't really have like a vision of what they
Speaker 1: were gonna do with John Fox, and now they do well.
Speaker 1: In a year ago, the story coming out of Chicago
Speaker 1: a year ago was that Fox, who we already felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're bringing players into a Fox system,
Speaker 1: and none one's convinced Fox is gonna be here a
Speaker 1: year or two years from now, which is really a
Speaker 1: troubling way to enter any sort of offseason process. But now,
Speaker 1: I mean they and they came out of that draft
Speaker 1: where you find out they draft Robinsky and Fox didn't
Speaker 1: even know what they were gonna do. It seemed like
Speaker 1: the Bears were in total chaos. They've had ownership issues,
Speaker 1: I think for a long time because they just don't
Speaker 1: simply treat that team with the with the money allotment
Speaker 1: and sort of the up to date nature that other
Speaker 1: teams do. It feels completely different. Right now, you've got
Speaker 1: a good GM and you've got a good coach that
Speaker 1: are on the same page. You're saying that there were
Speaker 1: tough times in the Foxhole. There were. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: I that was sort of I could have summed up
Speaker 1: what I just said in that sentence. Instead, let's do
Speaker 1: some losers. West. I'm gonna I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you last because I really want to build up
Speaker 1: to this. Uh Greg, a loser who would be a
Speaker 1: loser in this draft stop to really bang teams on
Speaker 1: Saturday of the draft. But if he had one, you
Speaker 1: did write a Debsnell's column, right. I know, I did
Speaker 1: teams that would get better that I got better this
Speaker 1: weekend basically because of that, because it's hard to be
Speaker 1: like because even the giants who I kind of like
Speaker 1: didn't love how they're thinking long term, they got much better.
Speaker 1: They got guys that can help them right away. I
Speaker 1: actually had them as one of the teams that did
Speaker 1: get better immediately because they drafted guys who can play
Speaker 1: right away, including their second round pick Will Hernandez. I
Speaker 1: want to borrow one of my losers, Joe Flacco. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's certainly player losers. I would I would mean just
Speaker 1: listening to Steve smith comments about Joe Flacco to me
Speaker 1: was telling because he's played with Joe Flacco, and I
Speaker 1: just read more into that than than than him just
Speaker 1: saying those comments. There's gonna be not just some thick competition.
Speaker 1: You got r G three, you're out, buddy, you got
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Joe whose looks like he might be
Speaker 1: just like us here. I would say that, like in
Speaker 1: certain stead of loser, you come out of this with
Speaker 1: a couple of teams where you've added more pressure on
Speaker 1: yourselves because of what you did. And I think the
Speaker 1: Raiders are one of those teams. Like we said, they've
Speaker 1: taken Calton Miller, fine, except that you traded up for
Speaker 1: him and got you got banged on that trade and
Speaker 1: you didn't you didn't get enough when you went down.
Speaker 1: You didn't get enough when you went down. P J.
Speaker 1: Hall was overdrafted in many people's eyes. People hated Calton Miller,
Speaker 1: who are a lot of sure art and key was
Speaker 1: a guy with a lot of issues that like maybe
Speaker 1: if you unlock his potential, but the people look at
Speaker 1: him as there's some teams didn't want to touch him,
Speaker 1: and Maurice Hurst like I, I like, I feel bad
Speaker 1: for him because it's a health issue, but it's a
Speaker 1: concerning heart issue that a lot of teams didn't have
Speaker 1: him on the board. The Raiders just sort of across
Speaker 1: the way said we're going to continue to raise eyebrows
Speaker 1: with what we do. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Davis Bryant, it was a swing for the fences type
Speaker 1: of draft even there, like their Day three picks in general,
Speaker 1: some guys, not just Hurst that I weren't as familiar
Speaker 1: with it were just either off field issues or just
Speaker 1: ultimate boom er bus type of guy. I I kind
Speaker 1: of love that. The wet's the way Gruden's Rudens have
Speaker 1: an answer questions about it. He's already swatting down the doubters, saying,
Speaker 1: I'm not listening to the skeptics. You're like a couple
Speaker 1: of months into this. That's why they make sense a
Speaker 1: little bit as a loser that it's a It's interesting
Speaker 1: how much that there's already headlines in Oakland like Gruden
Speaker 1: answer answers criticism for draft like you just don't expect
Speaker 1: that in this first year back. All right, Chris westling, Um,
Speaker 1: it is your turn to share a loser. Well, look,
Speaker 1: nobody likes to second guess what the Patriots do in
Speaker 1: acquiring players, because you'll end up looking you end up
Speaker 1: looking like a fool. They've been doing so well for
Speaker 1: so long. And part of this, I guess, is just
Speaker 1: amusing myself because the bit keeps going. But I was
Speaker 1: a bit what what's what are the Patriots even doing?
Speaker 1: You got a fourty year old quarterback, You've got the
Speaker 1: greatest tight end of all time who was considering retirement
Speaker 1: in the next year or two. Do you have a
Speaker 1: very defined Super Bowl window? And you're like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't need any of these picks in the second, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth round. We'll just pick at the end of the draft,
Speaker 1: pick up a few guys by the way, but we
Speaker 1: got we got a new left tackle who a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought was a guard, and then we draft
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle to go with James White, Rex Burkhead, Jeremy Hill,
Speaker 1: Mike Gillis LEI guys that they spent the last two
Speaker 1: years acquiring running back, not a position of need on
Speaker 1: this team. To me, like, why didn't you go out
Speaker 1: and get that next developmental quarterback or your quarterback in
Speaker 1: the future. But he gets some speed at linebacker, so
Speaker 1: you have a linebacker who can make a play in
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. I was totally underwhelmed with what the
Speaker 1: Patriots did. They like, you have an answer to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they took three picks in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, and then they ended they ended up
Speaker 1: drafting more players this year than any year that they've
Speaker 1: than they've had in like many years. Big deal, yes
Speaker 1: or no? That West is killing the Patriots right now.
Speaker 1: He traded Brandon Cooks away for this. It's a sea change.
Speaker 1: Duke Dawson, Baby, I do like that they um that
Speaker 1: they traded away that Jimmy picks so many different times,
Speaker 1: including into next year, that there's no way anyone can well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it was for that one player, because they've now
Speaker 1: turned it into two seconds and a fourth And this
Speaker 1: is normally the type of you know Belichick stuff that
Speaker 1: everyone goes gaga over, like, oh, he's playing the board,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Hey they have two seconds sex and
Speaker 1: the Chinas. I like the fact that he's planning for
Speaker 1: the future. It's what they do all along and and
Speaker 1: basically the conventional wisdom for this draft was, like it
Speaker 1: was pretty lame in the middle. And that's that's one
Speaker 1: reason why the Rams said that they wanted to load
Speaker 1: up on sixth round picks. They have like seven sixth
Speaker 1: round picks. They didn't believe in the middle of the draft.
Speaker 1: And so he went and he took a fifth, and
Speaker 1: he took four sixth whatever. I do like Will Brinson
Speaker 1: basically to your point, said that one of the losers
Speaker 1: in this draft process was Jimmy G. Truthers because yes
Speaker 1: they cannot Diagraham, what on earth they actually got, or
Speaker 1: because they have the Bear. For instance, the Bears got
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller. The Bears gave up their second round pick
Speaker 1: a year from now and a high fourth round pick
Speaker 1: this year. I don't really trust trust the Patriots to
Speaker 1: make good second round picks because you know, like most teams,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't do it. It's a crapshoot. So
Speaker 1: they get an extra one for the Jimmy G. Trade
Speaker 1: and they get a high fourth this year that they
Speaker 1: turned into it. Do you not come out slightly annoyed
Speaker 1: at the Patriots fan that still exists in you somewhere.
Speaker 1: Not even then the slightest You're not they didn't get
Speaker 1: a quarterback higher up, someone I would have liked Mark Jackson,
Speaker 1: but Sony Michelle was probably one of the most exciting
Speaker 1: players in the entire draft. They certainly needed offensive line
Speaker 1: help and and he was. This guy was number nine
Speaker 1: on Josh Norris's board. Was kind of like the Draft
Speaker 1: Knicks favorite. I don't know if it means anything. Have
Speaker 1: you considered that Bill Belichick has just lost his touch?
Speaker 1: I I kind of believe my I have kind of
Speaker 1: come to the us. I've kind of come to the
Speaker 1: belief that almost all general managers are the exact same
Speaker 1: in terms of picking players. That it's basically that it's
Speaker 1: that autist. You're like a week out, I think, being
Speaker 1: an article where you ranked the g MS from one
Speaker 1: to thirty two. I mean, if that's I'm saying they
Speaker 1: were draft picks in production, like, that's what the numb
Speaker 1: the studies kind of show. Where would you put Ryan
Speaker 1: Grigson on that scale? He had an unbelievable two thousand
Speaker 1: twelve and then one of the best drafts probably of
Speaker 1: the decade. That's that kind of what I mean is
Speaker 1: it's kind of a crapshoot. Mickey Loomis was one of
Speaker 1: the worst pickers probably the last decade, and then it
Speaker 1: feels it feels slightly distressed and joined his run office. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's not a hot take either. That's kind of
Speaker 1: like general thought. That's like saying all quarterbacks throw the
Speaker 1: same that that like, people have different ability. For the
Speaker 1: most part, your your pick rate is pretty similar from
Speaker 1: team to team. Yeah, okay, but except that certain co teams,
Speaker 1: certain GMS find way Like are you saying that Ozzy
Speaker 1: Newsom is no different than like when Joe Banner was
Speaker 1: running the Browns? I mean, come on, I think it's
Speaker 1: a it's an organizational thing coaching and teaching the GA
Speaker 1: the Glacier and Bill Belichick essentially in your world, there's
Speaker 1: no difference between Bill Belichick and a man named the
Speaker 1: Glacier of Fame. I'm just talking about draft pick success.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of been proven over time that it's
Speaker 1: tough to like be good year after year after year
Speaker 1: doing that. Well. There's because there's a human element beyond
Speaker 1: the scope of the GMS picks to begin with. But
Speaker 1: but in general, you there are certain teams that find
Speaker 1: fit and value it seems consistently in their organization. A
Speaker 1: lot of that I think is coaching and having an
Speaker 1: organizational fit and in a million other things that goes
Speaker 1: into like making your team. It's also like most of
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, it was just randomness with injuries.
Speaker 1: I'll throw in one last loser, uh, and I'll say
Speaker 1: it's all those punks out there who had their fun
Speaker 1: and their little columns. After the Jets traded up to
Speaker 1: pick three, and oh, the Jets gave way too much
Speaker 1: draft capital, up too many second round picks. What are
Speaker 1: the Jets doing? What are the Jets? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the Jets are doing Jetsy things again. Oh they gave
Speaker 1: up so much. Oh yeah. Cut to draft night and
Speaker 1: the Jets got the presumptive number one quarterback period exclamation point,
Speaker 1: Sam Donald h And we sat out round two yesterday.
Speaker 1: Not one Jet fan was upset about that. And when
Speaker 1: we missed the one second round pick last year, we
Speaker 1: won't even think about it because we got a real
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And you know why, because he our man
Speaker 1: Big Mac, wasn't afraid to take a little heat to
Speaker 1: move up where he needed to move up to put
Speaker 1: himself in position to get the Jets of franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: they've been looking for for forty five years? Did that
Speaker 1: feel good? So good? Criticized them every major writer connected
Speaker 1: to there that's sent footsteps they were killed forgetting just
Speaker 1: up to three where you're leaving yourself exposed. If you
Speaker 1: think I'm hinting at you, I'm not. No, I'm not,
Speaker 1: because I honestly didn't see that or remember it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Jets were consistently written as a team. The Jets
Speaker 1: gave up way too much. And there was also one
Speaker 1: criticism you had a lot of why didn't they even
Speaker 1: call the Giants? Who the Giants won't even pick up
Speaker 1: the phone and people trying to get in touch with them,
Speaker 1: let alone take a call from the Jets. The Jets
Speaker 1: actually nailed This never happens, but they did. Here is
Speaker 1: one promise to to Greg into West and basically to everyone,
Speaker 1: this will happen at some point. But when it does,
Speaker 1: when the Jets and the Browns both are are hammering
Speaker 1: teams on a weekly basis, Dan and I will be
Speaker 1: two of the most annoying people on the entire planet.
Speaker 1: You two will suffer the most. We are going to
Speaker 1: be It's pretty insufferable. It's pretty insufferable, likensidering the Browns
Speaker 1: literally didn't win a game last year. How much trash
Speaker 1: document I mean last night, They're no ridiculous And and
Speaker 1: I and Dana I are just going to punch or
Speaker 1: puncher who is going to be the more annoying fan
Speaker 1: when this thing gets I have offered like a ted
Speaker 1: in sixth season. I wasn't. I haven't been bragging about
Speaker 1: the Jets future anything, but I feel excited. And the Brown's,
Speaker 1: Jets and Bills my one last winner if we want
Speaker 1: to do a speed round of winners before we move on.
Speaker 1: The Browns, Jets, and Bills um are all three of
Speaker 1: the most long suffering franchises. They all got a big
Speaker 1: time quarterback. Now we know through the history of football,
Speaker 1: well all three of these guys hit, probably not can
Speaker 1: all three miss? Maybe but one and maybe two of
Speaker 1: these guys can end up being franchise type guys. And
Speaker 1: that means too, three of the uh saddest teams in
Speaker 1: football for decades are about to get a major shot
Speaker 1: in the arm. That's a big win. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a quick winner. I agree with that. I give you
Speaker 1: a quick winter. I think the Broncos coming out with
Speaker 1: Bradley really agree. Turning around and drafting Courtland Sutton, a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought would go to Dallas good wide receiver.
Speaker 1: They put a lot around Case Keenum, and I think
Speaker 1: you have to maybe say yeah. I think maybe elwait
Speaker 1: more in case. I think the Giants are so embarrassed
Speaker 1: of what happened last year that they're just scratching and
Speaker 1: not worried as much about the future and looking to
Speaker 1: get to nine wins, which might not might play well
Speaker 1: this year and not play well in the feud. The
Speaker 1: progress could be right back in the playoffs if Keenum
Speaker 1: works out. I love what they did in the draft.
Speaker 1: Let's check in with go get my lunch, hold on
Speaker 1: one quick winner. Go ahead. Sorry I haven't always been
Speaker 1: nice to this franchise, but the Bengals are having a
Speaker 1: very nice offseason. They trade for a left tackle, Corty Glenn.
Speaker 1: They draft a center in Billy Price. This was their
Speaker 1: biggest two problems on offense last year, left tackle and center.
Speaker 1: Theoretically they fixed those and then defense they get a
Speaker 1: ton of talent, including Sam Hubbard, a guy that spice
Speaker 1: rack is very high on Maleek Jefferson at linebacker, Jesse
Speaker 1: Bates at safety. I would not be surprised the Bengals
Speaker 1: end up atop the a f C. North whoa big
Speaker 1: take there like it and a little bit of a surprise,
Speaker 1: I gotta say. But they've also got guy coming back.
Speaker 1: John Ross didn't give them anything he could. He's a
Speaker 1: major X factor, Tyler Eifertson X factor. Joe Mixing could
Speaker 1: be a stud running back. There's a lot that could
Speaker 1: go right for the Bengals this year. Imagine that we
Speaker 1: spent five months talking about John Ross last offseason and
Speaker 1: yet he did not do a thing. Maybe he will
Speaker 1: this time. It's like the five months that will have spent,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the Patriots demise this offseason, only
Speaker 1: to find Week two and you guys are all like, oh, actually,
Speaker 1: we were all wrong. Like that we have. We have
Speaker 1: thoroughly gotten under Greg's skin the first time he's cared
Speaker 1: about the Patriots in four years. You know why because
Speaker 1: he actually feels a little bit of heat. Now he
Speaker 1: feels wait a second, the tectonic plates they're starting to shift.
Speaker 1: Your your your son's grandson. At this pace will not
Speaker 1: witness as many super Bowls as the Patriots had in
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. I know that that I've had
Speaker 1: a good If it's all over, it was fun, Go
Speaker 1: get my lunch. It's all over for you being in
Speaker 1: the first place in this competition. Uh, we'll start with
Speaker 1: Chris Westling west More of the same middling effort in yours.
Speaker 1: But can't you're not You're not making the move that
Speaker 1: you need to. You'r you go five and five. You
Speaker 1: had Josh Rosen as the second quarterback drafted, and Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen was the fourth. I think you was right tent overall. Uh,
Speaker 1: if the Giants stay at pick number two, they will
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback. And the Giants stay at pick two,
Speaker 1: they did not draft a quarterback. That lust of three
Speaker 1: sandwiches you had the Colts will not draft at number
Speaker 1: six overall. Only Greg took you on that, and they
Speaker 1: stayed at six and took Quentin Nelson the Guarden a
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. And you had the Patriots won't trade up
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. And actually you got that one right,
Speaker 1: They did not trade up for a quarterback. Uh. So
Speaker 1: you get a sandwich on Mark. Ye, there's two more
Speaker 1: sandwiches coming from Mark yeah, I will be. I will
Speaker 1: be buying a round of sandwiches very soon in the
Speaker 1: mayok one. Okay, so as of now you're six and four,
Speaker 1: but that could change, uh for the better. Mark right now. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see the second quarterback drafted, Baker Mayfield. Your brownies.
Speaker 1: They said we're taking them number one and we're just
Speaker 1: gonna roll. How are you feeling about that two days later?
Speaker 1: What the sandwich bet or the fact number one? Overall?
Speaker 1: I feel good. You hear the report that Jim Brown
Speaker 1: is not happy. I feel fine, I feel good. It
Speaker 1: was right about Trent Richardson, true, feeling good, feeling fine.
Speaker 1: He nailed at Trent Richardson cessilary head. Don't come at me.
Speaker 1: There will be four or more trades before pick twenty.
Speaker 1: There were. Uh, so you got sandwiches from Danny Greg
Speaker 1: Patriots will draft at least two quarterbacks. Well, they failed
Speaker 1: entirely with their drafts, so they did not fulfill the promise.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they drafted two players that
Speaker 1: cost you three sandwiches. They did pick a quarterback, I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the draft. Uh, and then
Speaker 1: you're the whole, the whole, Mike, Mike Mayock thing you
Speaker 1: had going on. I don't think he trended on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a nothing. I got thoroughly lost
Speaker 1: this Actually, looking back, as I told you downstairs, Dan
Speaker 1: in West, this was a bad job by me because
Speaker 1: I should have known a little bit more that the
Speaker 1: nature of Mayok would know that this was on going
Speaker 1: to be a thing, and that he would in a
Speaker 1: skillful way. He completely ignored it. She's not anyone's clown.
Speaker 1: Shout out to listener Cody Darmos, who actually created a
Speaker 1: fake article in which he tried Mike may is being apoplectic.
Speaker 1: He attempted to help me out there, Mark five and five. There, Greg,
Speaker 1: you saw it coming even before the draft and the
Speaker 1: meteor struck. You went two and nine. You had Mayfield
Speaker 1: second off the board would be four and nine if
Speaker 1: it was updated. But yeah, yeah, okay four and n
Speaker 1: Isaiah winn gets drafted between twenty seven and thirty two.
Speaker 1: This was a double banger for Greg. And actually in
Speaker 1: the moment on Thursday night, Mark was trying to talk
Speaker 1: to Greg. Greg kind of snapped at Mark and then
Speaker 1: took his laptop and went and finished his Not only
Speaker 1: did Isaiah wind go before not only did we Winden
Speaker 1: go before that, he went to the Patriots and you
Speaker 1: wanted Lamar Jackson on top of it. Sorry, I understood
Speaker 1: why you got a little upset there. Mason Rudolph is
Speaker 1: the six quarterbacks selected and gets picked before against drafted
Speaker 1: before picked seven. He went in the second round. As
Speaker 1: we talked about to the Steelers. That cost you three sandwiches,
Speaker 1: and the Patriots draft a QB in round one. That
Speaker 1: did not happen. So according to the way you described
Speaker 1: these events, yeah, Greg is kind of a hipster when
Speaker 1: it comes to the Patriots draft class. He hated it
Speaker 1: before I did that. Well, you were upset about, uh,
Speaker 1: the quarterback Lamar Jackson in round one as upset as
Speaker 1: Gregg can get. Well, no, about the draft. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to pretend I'm someone I'm not. I have never
Speaker 1: particularly gotten into the draft. That's a it's almost a
Speaker 1: guilty guilt guilty admission. According to you, neither do any
Speaker 1: NFL gms get into the draft. Uh. The old Zuser
Speaker 1: six and two looking pretty good, the second quarterback drafted Mayfield.
Speaker 1: No Jets draft Mayfield, but only West took me up
Speaker 1: on that one. One of the big four qbs Alan
Speaker 1: Donald Mayfield a rose and gets drafted by a playoff team.
Speaker 1: Uh he did get drafted by the Bills, but nobody
Speaker 1: took me way to play it. You no like the
Speaker 1: smallest onions possible. It's fine at least one player from
Speaker 1: each position gets drafted in the first round. Uh no kicker,
Speaker 1: no punter. How about a did it well? Who took
Speaker 1: the fullback? Uh? No fullback either, dot in writing according
Speaker 1: to that, while the wording on the podcast if you
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast fullback was I went through the
Speaker 1: every boson't get salty with me, and I just I
Speaker 1: want to check because I'm on the losing bracket here
Speaker 1: I saw. All I see in print is k slash P.
Speaker 1: You can if I will go back and listen, if
Speaker 1: you like, go back. I owe everyone in this room.
Speaker 1: So let me just say and mark you Sandwich Aaron
Speaker 1: spice Rack, welcome, welcome to go get my lunch. The
Speaker 1: most sure bet and go get my lunch is the
Speaker 1: newbie always loses. Lamar Jackson goes in the top ten.
Speaker 1: He went number thirty two. Only Dan and Westcott sandwiches
Speaker 1: off it though. Now my my point about go get
Speaker 1: my lunch as we spin forward is this is the
Speaker 1: end of the busy season for us. Finally, let's go
Speaker 1: some sandwiches, some payouts. I have said now three times
Speaker 1: that I will be purchasing sich. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear say it. I want to say because I went
Speaker 1: fourteen and five last time, I don't get any but
Speaker 1: now I have to pay that out. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's been go get my theoretical sandwich for like
Speaker 1: more than a year or two. I pretend otherwise, So
Speaker 1: why don't we change that? Well, there's no way to
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, there's a whoos whom TABI four tiers page.
Speaker 1: We can after it. Okay, I mean you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a sandwich relatively? Are you aware that Colleen has the
Speaker 1: highest percentage? And go get my lunch history. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's just I guess it's a thorny. It's a thorny.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like trying to anyone because you owe
Speaker 1: like eight from the last time. So then it's like, well,
Speaker 1: how far back do you go? You could go back
Speaker 1: years and years and what we could do. What we
Speaker 1: could do is just and this is great mark, This
Speaker 1: shows how much I care for you wipe all what's owed,
Speaker 1: but starting in season, get back on track with what
Speaker 1: needs to be done here. Well, all right, I would say,
Speaker 1: to be fair, I need to be buying the first
Speaker 1: round and they need to be very good sandwiches, and
Speaker 1: then you can wipe on me. I will not purchase
Speaker 1: I will not be purchasing those never again. All right,
Speaker 1: So there you go, go get my lunch dot org.
Speaker 1: Nic Fortier does great work. Um Mark privately told me
Speaker 1: was surprised that this wasn't updated. I did not say
Speaker 1: that Nick doesn't. That is that is a second unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, as I say that, I just did
Speaker 1: a refresh and he has updated it. See look at
Speaker 1: that total. So you are off Mark's radar that you
Speaker 1: nor were you ever on it. But you can you
Speaker 1: know what, Let the narrative fly as it will. All right,
Speaker 1: there we go and Greg three and nine, you got
Speaker 1: a dub oh eight and four for me, short changed
Speaker 1: me eight and four, eight and four for west Nice.
Speaker 1: That is that's a bounce back week, a bounce back
Speaker 1: around five and six form Mark three and nine, Greg
Speaker 1: seven to dead. All right, let's get Jeremy Bergman on
Speaker 1: the phone. I think by way of introduction, it should
Speaker 1: be known that Jeremy Bergman, in addition to being a
Speaker 1: talented writer and all around good guy, also a former
Speaker 1: child actor. Uh, start star start in the Will Ferrell
Speaker 1: Mike Ditka vehicle Kicking and Screaming. Some would say the
Speaker 1: lesser of two movies titled Kicking and Screaming, Greg and
Speaker 1: I would probably agree with that one. Uh, the a
Speaker 1: bomb back version might be just a little bit more
Speaker 1: thought provoking. I always thought he was in the know.
Speaker 1: But but that wouldn't make sense because Bergman wasn't born.
Speaker 1: Probably one that, no, he would not have been in
Speaker 1: it makes ess I mean, I wouldn't put Kicking and
Speaker 1: Screaming too high on the Will Ferrell power rankings. But
Speaker 1: the fact that Burgo is in the film, by the way,
Speaker 1: also in Station Agent, a film of some renown and uh,
Speaker 1: Dudley do right, all right? So we will with Brandon Frasier.
Speaker 1: Young Snidley was his role in Me and My My Buddies.
Speaker 1: We talked about Brandon Frasier a lot, and we would
Speaker 1: always say that Brandon Frasier was Hollywood's third choice always
Speaker 1: for leading man. If you can't get this guy and
Speaker 1: you can't get that guy. You get Brandon Fraser checks out.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to Jeremy Bergmann right now. Yeah, Jeremy,
Speaker 1: you know we were talking about your IMDb real How
Speaker 1: you doing, buddy? What's up guys? First time, long time.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you running down my my previous accolades, any
Speaker 1: Brandon Frasier stories. I do have a blown up picture
Speaker 1: of him in my bedroom. It is about yep. So
Speaker 1: concerning all right, well, well maybe we'll circle back there
Speaker 1: your Hollywood roots, but let's start with Burgo was sent
Speaker 1: by David Eally and the NFL news team downstairs to
Speaker 1: Dallas to cover the draft. And I guess the question
Speaker 1: that I have to start for to start us here, Burgo,
Speaker 1: was what was the vibe in Dallas? Because Philly was
Speaker 1: on fire Chicago two years ago rave reviews. Did Dallas
Speaker 1: have that same type of energy that feel that people
Speaker 1: would have a buzz about? I would say no. And
Speaker 1: the real reason is because in Chicago and Philadelphia the
Speaker 1: draft was held outside right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: city pretty much Grant Park and then the Ben Franklin
Speaker 1: Library or museum or whatever. This time it's held at
Speaker 1: the Stadium in Arlington. So for the members of the media,
Speaker 1: you have to go there every day. It's a thirty
Speaker 1: minute Uber drive, and so the vibe is falling around
Speaker 1: the tailgate. But actually in the city you you couldn't
Speaker 1: tell that there was a draft happening at all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always wondered, like the residents of Arlington, how annoyed
Speaker 1: they get when they're just called like a totally different city, Dallas,
Speaker 1: Like throughout the entire day they're like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: are aren't we people? Don't we count? Remember We're not Dallas.
Speaker 1: Any beat on that? Bergman, There was also Irving, if
Speaker 1: you remember the old Dallas. Irving was getting popped with
Speaker 1: that Dallas heat too. Your thoughts on that, Jeremy, I
Speaker 1: did not talk to any of the residents of Irving
Speaker 1: to see how they felt about the swipe that Dallas
Speaker 1: has taken at them, Bergman. I know early in your
Speaker 1: run there in Dallas that I texted you um along
Speaker 1: with uh you know sometime producer of this show, Erica
Speaker 1: tam Posey, who is by by all accounts running wild
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Judging by her tweets, she's basically a debutante. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's not clear to me what either of
Speaker 1: you are doing in terms of actual work. But have
Speaker 1: you been able at night to get out and around Dallas,
Speaker 1: either with or without Erica? What is the vibe of
Speaker 1: the nightlife. I know that your ships don't begin until
Speaker 1: very late in the day, so you can sleep in.
Speaker 1: How have you been attacking the scene? Well, I don't
Speaker 1: want to disappoint you. The one you saw in the
Speaker 1: group message when you introduced us to each other. Um
Speaker 1: she said that she had plans when I asked, oh,
Speaker 1: do you want to get dinner? So we didn't get
Speaker 1: to go out that night. She was out with Emma
Speaker 1: and the important people like Colleen and whatnot. And then
Speaker 1: we did share an uber to the stadium the other day.
Speaker 1: But I have not seen her. She's been doing stuff
Speaker 1: with check. The nightlife in Dallas has been quiet. Tonight
Speaker 1: is the night I think we're all going to go
Speaker 1: out because there's nothing going on Tomorrow. Nice steak dinner,
Speaker 1: a couple of uptown bars, and we'll see what's happened.
Speaker 1: What about um Burgo? As I cycled through your IMDb, uh,
Speaker 1: you start in a project called ray Is in raising Wayland,
Speaker 1: working with the great incomparable Doris Roberts who passed away
Speaker 1: last year. Dorris Roberts of Everybody Loves Raymond Fame l
Speaker 1: I t yeah your thoughts and working with Doris Roberts
Speaker 1: all those years ago to a little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: a drama queen little Uh yeah, Buds Burner, give us
Speaker 1: the Blowtorge keep in an old age. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we shot this movie in New Zealand, you know, and
Speaker 1: so the three stars where Thomas Gibson, Poppy Montgomery and
Speaker 1: Dorris Roberts, they were all pretty much owned like the
Speaker 1: studio system by CBS, and so for this TV movie,
Speaker 1: they just sent them all to the other side of
Speaker 1: the earth. And I don't think that Dorris Roberts was
Speaker 1: down with it. Fascinating. Normally, yeah, normally they softened their
Speaker 1: criticism after someone passes away about Bergman. Bergman still got
Speaker 1: those sharp elbows, treating Doris Roberts like Hunter S. Thompson
Speaker 1: did Nixon Burgo you are you are like me from
Speaker 1: the New York, New Jersey area, and um a big
Speaker 1: Jets fan. Uh, what is the vibe of a lot
Speaker 1: of Jet fans? They're like, what was the Sam Donald vibe? Around, uh, Dallas, Irving, Arlington, Irving,
Speaker 1: fort Worth, everywhere. Uh there was a sizeable jet contingent
Speaker 1: here in the stands and also in that fans section
Speaker 1: in the middle. Um, they were very excited, obviously. I
Speaker 1: mean nobody expected Donald even the night before to drop
Speaker 1: to three. And so, you know, I was a little
Speaker 1: nervous after he got drafted, because when you put on
Speaker 1: the jets at you immediately think, oh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: go terribly wrong. Something's amiss here. He's he's not excited,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he doesn't want to be there. But
Speaker 1: then the introductory press conference yesterday, you know, he's just
Speaker 1: he's playing a cool like ELI And UM, I'm getting
Speaker 1: the sense from my friends, my family. My grandma texted me.
Speaker 1: She says, let's just hope now that Sam doesn't suck.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. I think. I think we're very
Speaker 1: happy with the person. It's just how is he going
Speaker 1: to play on the field so we feel you know,
Speaker 1: you feel like you've got somebody for like the next
Speaker 1: fifteen years. It does. That's a great feeling. And we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that when you get back here. Besides the
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans, of course, what fan base was most represented. Um.
Speaker 1: I would say the Raiders and the Niners in the rams.
Speaker 1: I think those are all within driving distance for the
Speaker 1: most part, and they're usually the loudest. Um. The Bills
Speaker 1: mafia in the lower right. Colleen Wolf was having a
Speaker 1: great time with the Bills mafia, And same with the
Speaker 1: Eagles fans because they were uh taunt and all the
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans about the Super Bowl win. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, it was pretty evenly spread out. I saw
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you you check my Twitter feed,
Speaker 1: there's a picture of a young gentleman wearing a Tom
Speaker 1: Savage Houston, Texas jersey. He Savage is real that the draft.
Speaker 1: Did any player interaction stand out? Because you've been there
Speaker 1: all week and you talk to the players leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft, you were there for some of the
Speaker 1: press conferences after they were drafted. Any any standout performances
Speaker 1: or takeaways from those guys. Well, I appreciate that I
Speaker 1: got to talk to all the quarterbacks on the day before. Uh.
Speaker 1: They all seemed to be in a pretty good mood.
Speaker 1: They all acted like they were friends. Mayfield wasn't there obviously, Um,
Speaker 1: but the person I guess you stood out the most
Speaker 1: positively was Roquan Smith. I think the Bears are getting
Speaker 1: a really professional, you know, life loving guy and Roquan Smith.
Speaker 1: I did get also get to talk to Darius Geiss
Speaker 1: the day before and I had to bring up to
Speaker 1: him the report from Tom tell Sara about him being
Speaker 1: considered you know, over emotional or um, you know, hard,
Speaker 1: hard to hard to deal with. And he basically said,
Speaker 1: you know, this is all put out by media reports.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's putting this out. Somebody wants me
Speaker 1: to drop to them and he said, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to change who I am. This is who I am.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think we saw the result of that
Speaker 1: when he fell to fifty something to the Redskins. So um,
Speaker 1: it was interesting to watch that in real time and
Speaker 1: having an opportunity to talk to him beforehand. Bergman, that's
Speaker 1: very professionally said what it's a quick two part. I
Speaker 1: know that you were huddled throughout the weekend with Mike Mayock.
Speaker 1: Do you feel after spending uh in a in ordered
Speaker 1: amount of time with him, if you were to see him, uh,
Speaker 1: you know two months from now on the street, A
Speaker 1: would he remember your name? Uh? Second question is this
Speaker 1: is a second career for you as a journalist, A
Speaker 1: decisive win over NFL Media's Nick Shook for you to
Speaker 1: be sent while Nick is left back in l a
Speaker 1: basically staring at a computer screen. Yeah, all your muscles help.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your your second question first there. Um,
Speaker 1: it is a decisive victory. Although Nick got to hang
Speaker 1: with you guys at the combine, so I kind of
Speaker 1: missed out there. So it was kind of like a
Speaker 1: one for one deal. Okay, you know they're they're pretty mayock.
Speaker 1: I've spent a combined actually five minutes with him at
Speaker 1: the end of both rounds. He did not want to
Speaker 1: be with me either time, and I had to paraphrase
Speaker 1: much of what he told me because he was in
Speaker 1: a rush. Jeremy Berg when I like him. I have
Speaker 1: one question before we leave here, Uh the draft, COGNESCENTI
Speaker 1: who are there? Are they more a guest at the Patriots?
Speaker 1: Um hit and miss in this draft or at Greg's
Speaker 1: performance and go get my lunch? That's fair question? The draft?
Speaker 1: Talking of SENTI meaning mayok in Jeremiah, just like everybody there,
Speaker 1: who's important? Have they been talking about Greg's performance? Um?
Speaker 1: I haven't heard. I don't mean to you know, Dreg
Speaker 1: this way, I haven't heard your name. That's good. They
Speaker 1: don't think about me at all. Um, all right, burgo
Speaker 1: you you came in here and you said it all
Speaker 1: and um. Yes, Kicking and Screaming is available on streaming
Speaker 1: formats where you can see Jeremy Bergman starring as Hunter. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you worked with a great Kate Walsh. Your memories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Kate Walsh, your memories of working with Kate? Um?
Speaker 1: All right. Robert Duval, Bobby Duval. Robert Duval actually had
Speaker 1: a temper tantrum on the set and screaming. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: called his agent said it was a Mickey Mouse movie.
Speaker 1: Val was kicking and screaming on the set of Kicking
Speaker 1: and Screaming. It was very Metackey Mouse movie. What did
Speaker 1: you think it was? What about Dica? He was in
Speaker 1: that too, Dica, wasn't it he? Uh? He gave me
Speaker 1: mess about the Jets when I told him that I
Speaker 1: was a supporter of the Jets. Um, well, did you
Speaker 1: say anything about the before? That was before Sunday NFL
Speaker 1: countdown fame. So I I like to consider myself the
Speaker 1: launching pad forget Goos on camera career by the wait
Speaker 1: Bergman is seven year run on Law and Order Special
Speaker 1: Victims Unit. That that isntcorrect. That is seven years between
Speaker 1: two appearances, completely unrelated. I feel like at some point,
Speaker 1: if you were ever an actor on any level, whether
Speaker 1: it's high school theater, you actually make it to Hollywood,
Speaker 1: you you find success the way Jeremy did, you will
Speaker 1: do at least a two episode arc and Law. It's
Speaker 1: it's requisite. All right, Jeremy, good job, get home safely
Speaker 1: and uh go jets all right, there he goes, and
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it for the the draft, the second Draft,
Speaker 1: the second final draft edition of the Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: and with it mark the end of the season, hardly
Speaker 1: siling into mini camp, like four days from now, you're
Speaker 1: heading your head into Mexico, little piggies in the sand,
Speaker 1: a white creamy drink in your hand and cherry dropped
Speaker 1: right in it, and here you are buying high the
Speaker 1: Sessler family. I don't know if I'm breaking news here
Speaker 1: to you, Dan is a paycheck to paycheck operation. There
Speaker 1: will be no Mexican vacations or really anywhere else you
Speaker 1: are known to get away. So that was that is
Speaker 1: that was a true narrative some years ago. It is.
Speaker 1: It is a fade every year ago. Hitchhikers in your
Speaker 1: immediate future. No, I mean I don't have a car
Speaker 1: right now, so I told you paycheck to I will
Speaker 1: be hitchhiking. So no cessler solo joints as of now.
Speaker 1: None a pair of stations. It's good. I will I
Speaker 1: will help pay for it if you go to Mexico
Speaker 1: where now your word little beginnings together. I was trying
Speaker 1: to think what the name of the beverages. I was
Speaker 1: calling it a frosty white, like a white Russian unrewarded
Speaker 1: peanut colada. Thank you all right, We will be back
Speaker 1: on Monday. No rest for the weird. We've got three
Speaker 1: shows coming up next week, so make sure you tune
Speaker 1: in for that. Until then, was Dan Hanson signing off
Speaker 1: for a Quiet Storm, The Malman, the Old Boss, and
Speaker 1: Lindsay Fulton behind the Glass till Monday.