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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I am in a room
Speaker 1: that's filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Who can feel the
Speaker 1: energy in this room? Greg and West about to board
Speaker 1: and early morning plane to Tybee, leaving us, Uh, you
Speaker 1: know behind, which is not their fault. We cannot go,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely not their fault. Uh yeah, West, Greg,
Speaker 1: the big Fish, Evan Silva, the Paramore, all will be
Speaker 1: in Tybee this time tomorrow. How exciting is that? Look, guys,
Speaker 1: if you can get away to last minute. The owner
Speaker 1: of Huck a Poos, the Great Eric Thomas, has offered
Speaker 1: his house as a frashpad for any overflow crowd. That's
Speaker 1: a nice gesture, but not surprising from ET considering huck
Speaker 1: a Poos is kind of the cheers of Tybee, right,
Speaker 1: It's where everybody goes at home in a way, and
Speaker 1: he's also one of the most generous men I've ever known.
Speaker 1: My image of Tybee Island is you can really walk
Speaker 1: into almost anyhow, just crashed there at any time I
Speaker 1: should tell you about the time I did that. Please, Oh,
Speaker 1: we could save it for I've been in the pod.
Speaker 1: What's the crime rate in Tybee? Uh? Substantial, substantial. There
Speaker 1: is a lot of drug activity. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a lot of people running from previous crimes. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of tourism, so you'll have a lot of weekend Uh.
Speaker 1: No one. No one talks about their former life once
Speaker 1: they get to Tybee. That's all in the past. Like
Speaker 1: I would say, it's the opposite. Everyone has an interesting backstory.
Speaker 1: How you ended up in this road place? Uh? So
Speaker 1: very exciting. And uh, please get Gregg in some troubles.
Speaker 1: I don't please, No, I mean no, no, no, yes,
Speaker 1: Sin will be a hole who wears the pants in
Speaker 1: the relationship. That will take it to a new level
Speaker 1: because Greg's gonna be in the doghouse. And I thought
Speaker 1: you were a saying who wears the pants in my
Speaker 1: relationship with the US Another conversation, I don't want your
Speaker 1: wife to have to take the pants back if I
Speaker 1: get you in trouble. Well, you mean like getting him
Speaker 1: thrown in jail? Well, I mean Mark wants me to
Speaker 1: get him in trouble. There I distinctively want you to
Speaker 1: have a Greg in a situation that Greg has not
Speaker 1: been in roughly fourteen years. Well, that might happen even
Speaker 1: without getting him in trouble. Are you referring to getting
Speaker 1: him drunk? I think he's been. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: I want. Been there plenty of times. Get him drunk.
Speaker 1: I can't play the Chu chu music anymore? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: come on, ride the train. Are are you excited? Greg?
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah. It's a regular you know, sisterhood of
Speaker 1: the Traveling Pants. Uh yeah, So uh, Mark and I
Speaker 1: will hold down the fort here and maybe, just maybe
Speaker 1: we can get you guys on the line on Friday,
Speaker 1: uh for our next podcast. But this podcast, Yes, there's
Speaker 1: excitement in the air over the big Tybee trip, but
Speaker 1: also excitement over oh it's back. It is time as
Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen edition of the Dalton Scale. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, that is the entirety of today's episode. We
Speaker 1: are not messing around where what is the Dalton Scale.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a minute. But essentially what
Speaker 1: this episode is is a breakdown of, uh the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the NFL, the starting quarterbacks uh that we saw
Speaker 1: in action last year and where they rank, and then
Speaker 1: with special tension given to where's the cutoff point where
Speaker 1: you don't really have a franchise starting quarterback. That's what
Speaker 1: the Dalton scales all about. Uh. And before we get
Speaker 1: into that conversation, just one quick thing, one quick thing.
Speaker 1: It's out there in the world. It's a huge pop
Speaker 1: culture phenomenon right now. And it's also specifically something that's
Speaker 1: an audio file. So I figured out a podcast. Why
Speaker 1: don't we just listen and tell me what you here? Laurel,
Speaker 1: lad do you hear Yanni or Laurel? I hear Laurel.
Speaker 1: I hear very distinctly Laurel. Yeah, this time Laurel yesterday
Speaker 1: I heard it sounds completely different. Depends. It depends on
Speaker 1: the hear through the podcast, like through here than it
Speaker 1: did that when I play on my computer. It's totally
Speaker 1: It changes your changes the frequency. Here, I hear Laurel,
Speaker 1: and the first time I heard it, I heard Yanni.
Speaker 1: I heard Yanny yesterday and Laurel today. That's so weird.
Speaker 1: One more time, Laurel, Laurel. This is like the audio
Speaker 1: version of what color is the picture of this dress?
Speaker 1: But I think sound waves it sounds like, and I
Speaker 1: don't know the first thing about it. Um maybe completely
Speaker 1: completely re jiggered depending on what you're listening through. So
Speaker 1: maybe everyone listening to this, here's Laurel. And if you're
Speaker 1: listening to it on your little computer, it says Yanny,
Speaker 1: Well got to the bottom of that one, because if
Speaker 1: you follow it up on your laptop, that's what it
Speaker 1: sounds like. What if you're listening to that recording that
Speaker 1: we just all heard Laurel on through your computer and
Speaker 1: then you're screwed. Then you bang, your head explodes is
Speaker 1: what happens? Oh man, it's crazy. All right, guys, all
Speaker 1: right back when it passes, I can get back on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Back to the topic at hand. The Dalton scale established
Speaker 1: all I would say West as the man that founded
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale. It was established what about five years
Speaker 1: ago now we're in that range that sounds right to me.
Speaker 1: And when you first established the Dalton scale. And I
Speaker 1: want people who are gonna take this and aggregated on
Speaker 1: their blogs and first of all, get it right. This
Speaker 1: comes from the Around the NFL podcast. It was started
Speaker 1: by Chris Westling that is the source of the Dalton
Speaker 1: scale and West when it first popped into that magnificent
Speaker 1: nog into yours. What was the Dalton scale to you? Well,
Speaker 1: it started because the Bengals were quite evidently in purgatory
Speaker 1: at quarterback, where they were doomed to spend Andy Dalton's
Speaker 1: career right in the middle, wondering whether they have a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, wondering whether they have an answer or not.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you feel like he is the answer. Sometimes you don't.
Speaker 1: When he's surrounded by great talent, he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: When he has to carry the load, he's not a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. So Andy Dalton is the primary idian of
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks in the NFL, the line below which you
Speaker 1: need a franchise quarterback and above which you are set
Speaker 1: at the sports most important position. There you go. And
Speaker 1: what we have done each of the past three or
Speaker 1: four years now, we've we've had a conversation right around
Speaker 1: this time of the year to say, is Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: still the man at the Dalton line? Uh? And Uh.
Speaker 1: Last year we came to the conclusion that yes, and
Speaker 1: he was still there. Uh. The year before that, which
Speaker 1: was coming off season in which Dalton was a stud,
Speaker 1: we all settled on as a group. Alex Smith was
Speaker 1: the new adult line before that. When it started, it
Speaker 1: was Andy Dalton obviously to start. So now we spin
Speaker 1: forward to two thousand eighteen, Uh Dalton, Uh is uh
Speaker 1: coming off a tough year, A tough year for Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: a tough year for Andy Dalton. So I don't imagine
Speaker 1: the conversation is going to be had that he was.
Speaker 1: He is well above where this line would be. Then
Speaker 1: the conversation can become greg is Andy Dalton below the
Speaker 1: Dalton line? Which it gets complicated, but I think I
Speaker 1: understand this exercise by now that can happen. You famously
Speaker 1: struggled early with the line could move up and down. Uh,
Speaker 1: It's really just about whether you found your franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: or not, and that Andy Dalton is always gonna be
Speaker 1: that line, whether the line moves upward down. And I
Speaker 1: think what's been proven is the wisdom and genius of
Speaker 1: this creation by Chris Westling, because I feel five years
Speaker 1: in Andy Dalton has never been more of the I'm
Speaker 1: a ridian in the NFL for quarterbacks than he is
Speaker 1: right now. He is the perfect line. I remember doing
Speaker 1: this exercise, you know, coming up with the best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. And he was like the one quarterback
Speaker 1: where I knew exactly where he was. There was no debate,
Speaker 1: oh should he be in front of him? Now he
Speaker 1: was exactly where he was. Franchise quarterbacks above and other
Speaker 1: guys below. And what I noticed when is and we
Speaker 1: what we did this is just a fun, dressed up
Speaker 1: way to to do quarterback. I mean, forget, forget Trump.
Speaker 1: You know Trump wants the Nobel Peace Prize. How about
Speaker 1: Chris Westling for coming up with this theory? I don't
Speaker 1: think maybe not peace maybe not Peace Prize. But do
Speaker 1: they have like you know, maybe the science or analysis.
Speaker 1: They have general analysis, general analysis, price, They give it
Speaker 1: a lot, they give it a lot. So what we've
Speaker 1: done this year is we we looked to figure out
Speaker 1: who is blow the Dalton line, who's above the Dalton line.
Speaker 1: Started by taking thirty quarterbacks that got uh ten or
Speaker 1: more starts last year, and we we gave it. We
Speaker 1: put a ranking on them. Okay, and uh the four
Speaker 1: of us, including Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Greg Rostal, myself,
Speaker 1: and we averaged it out, actually sent it over to
Speaker 1: Davi Eally uh Man often um pounding the table for
Speaker 1: his boy cam Newton and also, look, let's be honest
Speaker 1: looking for love at all times, Davie. But he took
Speaker 1: a time out from scrolling through his Tinder to help
Speaker 1: compute this for me, and I thank him for that. Uh,
Speaker 1: so let's just start with it. He might find love
Speaker 1: if he stopped looking so hard you got off. I
Speaker 1: think if you can't, if you can't find any any
Speaker 1: sort of connection on Tinder in Los Angeles, you have
Speaker 1: some issues. YEA, not saying that Dave does, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that's that's true. And Mark, now that I
Speaker 1: think about it, on Friday, it's gonna be you and me,
Speaker 1: a return of the debate club. Maybe we get Dave
Speaker 1: on the line, just see where he's at. Check in checking,
Speaker 1: periodic checking on Dave's personal life, on his personal life,
Speaker 1: uh on a popular football podcast. All right, So before
Speaker 1: we get to that, really uh fascinating uh. Underbelly of
Speaker 1: the quarterback ranks in the NFL, I just wanna give
Speaker 1: everyone our top ten quarterbacks when it was averaged out.
Speaker 1: Uh in the league right now, these guys are nowhere
Speaker 1: near the adult mine. In fact, this is where you
Speaker 1: want your quarterback to be if you're in the top ten,
Speaker 1: You're in a good position. We have him, Uh Rogers
Speaker 1: at one, Brady to Carson Wentz at three, Big Ben
Speaker 1: at four, Drew Brees at five, Russell Wilson at six,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan at seven, Andrew Luck at eight, Matt Stafford
Speaker 1: at nine, and Cam Newton at ten? Uh? Mark, are
Speaker 1: you surprised by anyone in the top ten landing where
Speaker 1: they are? I had the only person and this is
Speaker 1: projecting what I maybe hope or think will happen. I
Speaker 1: had Jimmy g at ten, but I'm not surprised he
Speaker 1: didn't make the group's ranking. He came into twelve, so
Speaker 1: he came close. I think Philip Rivers at eleven. I
Speaker 1: take it for me. I look at games like, if
Speaker 1: I have a big do I want Philip Rivers or
Speaker 1: do I want some of these guys above him? Well,
Speaker 1: what about and your personal list? Mark? You had Cam
Speaker 1: Newton all the way down at sixteen. My personal list
Speaker 1: was generated in roughly a hundred and twenty five seconds
Speaker 1: while I was juggling other activities. So I'm even looking
Speaker 1: at my personalists saying you need so you maybe need
Speaker 1: to do a second draft to this. But I am
Speaker 1: not a huge. Cam Newton fan went went seems high
Speaker 1: at three. But again, these are all guys, and I
Speaker 1: like seeing Stafford there in the top ten kind of
Speaker 1: shows how much he's developed over the years. But none
Speaker 1: of these guys are even having the conversation in terms
Speaker 1: of whether their franchise cords. I mean our top ten
Speaker 1: lists across the board, we're pretty close to each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Greg and I especially were very close with a lot
Speaker 1: of our picks all the way through the list. West
Speaker 1: Um the next grouping, and this is like the you're
Speaker 1: still clear because we have Andy Dalton in our average
Speaker 1: ranking at twenty one, so we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna build up to Dalton. So now eleven through
Speaker 1: twenty Cam Newton, excuse me, Philip Rivers at eleven, Jimmy
Speaker 1: g at twelve, Kirk Cousins at thirteen, Deshaun Watson at fourteen,
Speaker 1: Alex Smith and Derek Carr both tied at fifteen, and
Speaker 1: I wish I remember where Car finished when we talked
Speaker 1: about this last year, but I imagine he took a drop.
Speaker 1: That was a tough year for him. Uh and the
Speaker 1: Raiders at number seventeen. Dak Prescott after it was a
Speaker 1: disappointing sophomore season, Jamis Winston at eighteen, Jared Goff at nineteen,
Speaker 1: which might surprise some people, and then Marcus Mariota at
Speaker 1: twenty so west based on the Dalton scale, these are
Speaker 1: all all night, all twenty of those quarterbacks, including the
Speaker 1: last ten I mentioned, are guys that are a solution
Speaker 1: yes or no, yes or no for teams. That's true,
Speaker 1: and my main takeaway from this year's project is that
Speaker 1: more franchises believe they have a franchise quarterback in Afriy
Speaker 1: because yes, I was thinking the same thing and a
Speaker 1: lot of these young quarterbacks. To me, you guys look
Speaker 1: at this project differently than I do. I remain adamant
Speaker 1: that it's an offseason project. Is the GMS time of year,
Speaker 1: It's the roster construction time of year. It's which quarterback
Speaker 1: do I want on my roster? Not which quarterback do
Speaker 1: I want for a game next Sunday. So there's no
Speaker 1: way that say the Bears would trade Mitch Drabinsky for
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. That's why Rabinsky ranks higher on my list,
Speaker 1: or Deshaun Watson or Mariot or all these This is
Speaker 1: basically a tier of young guys who aren't proving yet,
Speaker 1: with the exception of Alex Smith, who I believe should
Speaker 1: be much closer to Dalton in the ranking by your model,
Speaker 1: literally the first year quarterback that you The jury may
Speaker 1: still be out on Robinsky to some point, but the
Speaker 1: way the team building operates, there's no way he can
Speaker 1: come below Dalton because the team itself used him as
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. Well, to me, it's a trade value exercise.
Speaker 1: It's which of these quarterbacks has the most value in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I believe those guys are all more
Speaker 1: more valuable than Andy Dalton. And to my point earlier
Speaker 1: that it was the easiest year ever for me, and
Speaker 1: I think the most prescient that the Dalton scale has
Speaker 1: ever been because because none of these guys, there's not
Speaker 1: really much of a debate with any of these guys.
Speaker 1: Alex Smith I had pretty close to the line as well,
Speaker 1: Chris and you could you could debate whether he's a
Speaker 1: guy you build around franchise quarterback. But even guys like
Speaker 1: Goff and Mariota and Winston, who I had a little
Speaker 1: closer to twenty just because someone had to be there,
Speaker 1: there's there wasn't any doubt in my mind that those
Speaker 1: guys are are franchise quarterbacks. You're building around them without
Speaker 1: much question or really any question. It's it's not a
Speaker 1: year where I think there's guys ahead of Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: that you're thinking, well, maybe they're not gonna be there
Speaker 1: a year from now. Well, I think that Alex Smith
Speaker 1: specifically speaks to the fact that everything is relative. He's
Speaker 1: been told by two different franchises now that he's not
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterbacks, forty Niners and the Chiefs. However, the
Speaker 1: Redskins with no alternative available. Both of those teams supporting
Speaker 1: in Chiefs he Kaepernick and Mahomes talented, young, intriguing alternatives.
Speaker 1: The Redskins had no alternatives, so they see him as
Speaker 1: a franchise quarter Smith could you could debate Smith would
Speaker 1: be below the Dalton scale if you really want playing
Speaker 1: so well, right now, I think he's above. On the
Speaker 1: other side of it is like, yes, he was traded
Speaker 1: from the forty Niners. Why did he get traded wasn't
Speaker 1: because he was necessarily anything wrong with Alex Smith, is
Speaker 1: because Colin Kaepernick at the time looked like a phenomen
Speaker 1: The Niners decided they wanted to make a move. Franchise
Speaker 1: quarterbacks do not get traded. Well, that's that's how do
Speaker 1: you know the forty Niners did not view him as
Speaker 1: a franchise in a second though, if he was a
Speaker 1: top five, top ten quarterback, the Niners I don't think
Speaker 1: would have traded him. But you could still be in
Speaker 1: that ten to twenty range like we're talking about, and
Speaker 1: and be a guy. It's a solution, but not a superstar.
Speaker 1: And I think the similar thing happened, not at the
Speaker 1: same level now with his second trade, where they think
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is a guy that can be an elite talent.
Speaker 1: I still I view Alex Smith as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think I think the Redskins see that too, and
Speaker 1: the money they game, I think he could have three
Speaker 1: or four years where he could lead that team and
Speaker 1: be an effective starter. He just feels and feels like
Speaker 1: a long, long term stop gap over and over there
Speaker 1: in the sense that he's kind of like wherever he lands,
Speaker 1: there's enough people inside the building constantly looking to upgrade.
Speaker 1: There's there's a reason you know Mahomes was there, It's
Speaker 1: because the Chiefs made a decision before the draft that
Speaker 1: they wanted to aggressively replace Alex Smith, that not only
Speaker 1: do we want to replace him, we want to give
Speaker 1: up a ton of resources to move up in the draft.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure they were excited about Patrick Mahomes personally,
Speaker 1: but I think in general they were looking for a
Speaker 1: quarterback in last year. I don't disagree with that. But
Speaker 1: and then Alex Smith went went out and played the
Speaker 1: best football last year. So I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he's kind of a fascinating guy. In this discussion and
Speaker 1: listening to last year's show, we were much we were
Speaker 1: not high on Alex Smith at all. In fact, um
Speaker 1: he was much lower on the on this list, we
Speaker 1: had him as a group below Joe Flacco. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I think maybe last year obviously helped him. Now the
Speaker 1: question is is whether he's kind of a guy Washington
Speaker 1: can build around. They're hoping so even than Alex Smith.
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask the group of question, because all
Speaker 1: these guys seem so locked in the ten to twenty
Speaker 1: young guys that we just went through, if one of
Speaker 1: them is, if you had to pick one of them
Speaker 1: to be below Dalton in the Dalton scale exercise a
Speaker 1: year from now, who do you think it would be.
Speaker 1: And let's not count Alex Smith because it's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go golf. But I mean, I guess Keenum
Speaker 1: could fall below. Well, Keenum is well below you had
Speaker 1: at least in that I guess. I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: group list. I mean everyone else had Keenum in the
Speaker 1: bottom five. Uh and Mark you had him around thirteen
Speaker 1: or four. It's so sow hard it is. If I
Speaker 1: had thirteen or fourteen, had him at twenty, if golf
Speaker 1: would probably be my thing too, just because I'm not
Speaker 1: a hundred percent sure and you never know what could
Speaker 1: happen this year. Kirk Cousins I think would be an
Speaker 1: underdog pick for that spot if he just did not
Speaker 1: have a good transition to Minnesota and we and we
Speaker 1: soured that he actually isn't that big of a different
Speaker 1: bigger But that's only because I'm having to pick one
Speaker 1: of these guys. There will be changes, I think none
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, golf to me is almost slumpproof because
Speaker 1: of his offensive because of his play caller. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna have a bad season because Sean mcveigh's just
Speaker 1: that damn good. How about Jamis Winston. Your answer is no,
Speaker 1: one went no. My answer would be injuries. So Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson would not surprise me if he gets injured again,
Speaker 1: or Dak Prescott if he has another season like last year.
Speaker 1: Those two guys seem like what if Mariotta fell off
Speaker 1: a cliff after the season we just saw and I
Speaker 1: realized there's an issue around him. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of weapons, But that's that. Also, you could say about
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton that Andy Dalton does not improve like average
Speaker 1: players around him, that he sort of as a product
Speaker 1: of whatever the offense is around him. When they were
Speaker 1: extremely talented, Dalton had a nearer m v P type
Speaker 1: run for eight period before he got hurt. It's Mariotta
Speaker 1: someone that if he just goes out and has more
Speaker 1: picks than touchdowns again, that he starts to we start
Speaker 1: to see him differently. He's he's hard because in two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, he absolutely improved the talent around him.
Speaker 1: They they did not belong with that streak in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season with like six straight games averaging
Speaker 1: thirty five points per game with that roster, But last
Speaker 1: year with his mechanics a mess, yeah, he was. He
Speaker 1: was bad. So unless he can get his mechanics straight,
Speaker 1: now he's he's a candidate. But would anyone take Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton over Mariotta? No, I wouldn't. See. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't hear any of these guys necessarily got goff.
Speaker 1: You know, I would, I'd think about it. At least
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take him because golf is so young, and
Speaker 1: I still want to see what he does moving forward.
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is another guy. I'll just be interested to
Speaker 1: see where he is a year from now. Because of
Speaker 1: all of these young guys, his kind of stock in
Speaker 1: the league has gone up about as up and down
Speaker 1: as any of them. It was only about three years
Speaker 1: ago where we were kind of down on Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Then he's suddenly an m v P can at it,
Speaker 1: and now he's coming off another great talent. Though, yes,
Speaker 1: the talent is kind of undeniable, one of the one
Speaker 1: of the great I forgot. Yeah, they've got where You've
Speaker 1: got to be careful if we don't want to get
Speaker 1: too down on Derek, we don't get another Well, he
Speaker 1: has an undeniable talent. You're speaking the truth, like when
Speaker 1: you just look at him, like when you look at
Speaker 1: his skill set. You can see why everyone loves Derek Carts.
Speaker 1: There are coaches and scouts who firmly believe he's going
Speaker 1: to be an m v P m VP at some
Speaker 1: point in his career. Um and the reason I brought
Speaker 1: up Winston and Mariotta who also came up You just
Speaker 1: brought that up in a recent podcast. I think it's
Speaker 1: an important year for both of those guys, if one
Speaker 1: of them are both of them do have you know,
Speaker 1: substandard seasons? At some point there'll be what five years,
Speaker 1: four or five years into a career you maybe can
Speaker 1: start to take a look closer look at whether they
Speaker 1: are the answer for their teams. We shall see and
Speaker 1: now here we go. So this is where if we
Speaker 1: have Dalton is a group of twenty one and just
Speaker 1: so everybody knows, this is how uh in the rankings,
Speaker 1: zeus Or had Dalton, Greg had Dalton, West had Dalton,
Speaker 1: and Mark you had Dalton at so I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not Anton. Mark is not believe in the Dalton scale.
Speaker 1: And I might have done my rankings in a way
Speaker 1: that you could critique and a little bit differently than
Speaker 1: West did, But I just feel that my issue with
Speaker 1: the Bengals in general, is that we've agreed they need
Speaker 1: to at some point find a solution and they refused
Speaker 1: to do so. And I'm annoyed, right, but well we'll
Speaker 1: get we'll get to your listener. Second Mark, So Dalton
Speaker 1: scale markist average, right, I'm not trying to be an
Speaker 1: anarchist with this. Just forget my sheet of paper. But
Speaker 1: everything else, everything else makes sense U. The rest of
Speaker 1: us have Dalton twenty two. So from the from this list,
Speaker 1: the average going down. These are quarterbacks, according to our calculations,
Speaker 1: are not the answer at quarterback unless they are. Everybody
Speaker 1: can pipe up, pipe in if you disagree. At number
Speaker 1: twenty two. We have a three way tie at twenty
Speaker 1: two Joe Flacco, Ryan town Hill, and Sam Bradford, which
Speaker 1: is kind of fitting. Those guys are all tied together
Speaker 1: right below Andy Dalton UH, number twenty five, Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 1: twenty six, Case Keenum seven UH. And this is the
Speaker 1: tricky one, Mitch Drobiskie, who only had a you know,
Speaker 1: ten or twelve starts last year UH and now has
Speaker 1: a totally different offense around him and coaching staff, so
Speaker 1: we'll see where he goes. We have Eli twenty nine,
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles coming off an a f C Championship appearance.
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles comes in at number twenty nine and thirty
Speaker 1: Josh McCown, which makes a lot of sense. We like
Speaker 1: Josh McCown, but he is no one's version of a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. To look to the future with uh thoughts
Speaker 1: on that group, Chris Wessel, So many of these guys
Speaker 1: could move above Dalton with a good year. Um Eli,
Speaker 1: who I ranked very low, It's quite possible he could
Speaker 1: be seen at this time next year as a guy
Speaker 1: who's rejuvenated with all that offensive talent, and he belongs
Speaker 1: above Andy Dalton. Uh. Sam Bradford. I think he's a
Speaker 1: better quarterback right now than Andy Dalton, but durability counts,
Speaker 1: so I can't rank him as a franchise quarterbay last year,
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco could have a good year with all that
Speaker 1: new talent they acquired, but it's a dead giveaway when
Speaker 1: they draft a guy in the first round that you're
Speaker 1: not necessarily a franchise quarterback. They told us what they
Speaker 1: thought in terms of where he stands in the Dalton scale.
Speaker 1: They decided he's below it. You don't take a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the list. Flaccile Lamar Jackson gets
Speaker 1: drafted Ryan Tannehill the Dolphins, maybe they do what is
Speaker 1: Tannill seven one, eight and one over his last nine starts.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's why they didn't. That was two
Speaker 1: years ago. I get that. But there's confidence inside the building.
Speaker 1: They easily could have gone after a quarter were they
Speaker 1: reported to be interested in all those quarterbacks. If there's confidence, well,
Speaker 1: the bottom line they didn't do it. They didn't make
Speaker 1: a move. But yeah, so then Radford, Uh, he gets
Speaker 1: let go by Minnesota, he signs with the Cardinals, and
Speaker 1: then the Cardinals drafted her back Tyrod Taylor. He gets
Speaker 1: traded by the Bills, who draft a quarterback, and then
Speaker 1: the Browns draft a quarterback Case Keenum. He gets let
Speaker 1: go by the Vikings and gets signed by the Broncos. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Eli is interesting and that they did not
Speaker 1: make a move like Townehill. They stayed still same thing
Speaker 1: with Bordles and the Jaguars. And then account of course, uh,
Speaker 1: you have now um Sam Donald in the building. Some
Speaker 1: people do believe that the Giants made a move when
Speaker 1: they drafted Kyle Loletta. Charlie cashually believes he's guaranteed to
Speaker 1: be the heir apparent to eat. He was drafted around
Speaker 1: later than Davis Webb was a year ago. I know
Speaker 1: it's a different regime, but that you don't see fourth
Speaker 1: round picks developed like that too often. Maybe Charlie will
Speaker 1: be right. Tyrod Taylor was the guy I think I
Speaker 1: had immediately after Dalton, and to me, if I had
Speaker 1: to pick another player who could be the Dalton scale
Speaker 1: right now, I think it would be Tyrod, who I think,
Speaker 1: in a in a strong way, is kind of a
Speaker 1: rep placement level starter where he's gonna he's not gonna
Speaker 1: screw things up. He's gonna be better than about ten
Speaker 1: starters out there. Uh he can. He has very defined strength,
Speaker 1: some defined weaknesses, and he's just kind of right there,
Speaker 1: solid in the middle, like Tyrod would, especially now that
Speaker 1: he's done it in three different offenses in three different
Speaker 1: seasons in Buffalo and kind of been the same player
Speaker 1: regardless of who is running the offense. To me, he
Speaker 1: if I needed an air apparent for the Dalton scale
Speaker 1: would be Tyrod. And all that is true, but also
Speaker 1: it's very important that as soon as he plays, they
Speaker 1: want to get rid of him. Well, I think he's
Speaker 1: never had the same right he never in the NFL
Speaker 1: sees him as a franchise quarterback or else they would
Speaker 1: have traded for him or signed him. Right Like Buffalo
Speaker 1: and Cleveland are two teams that with the with the
Speaker 1: way things have been, they if they if someone said
Speaker 1: we can give you what looks like stability for two
Speaker 1: seasons under center, those organizations would say yes. And that's
Speaker 1: what the Bills did say with Tyrod's That's what the
Speaker 1: Bills of the Browns essentially are saying. And it might
Speaker 1: be two weeks, we don't know, but it's like we've
Speaker 1: got a guy ahead of the rookie, but you're constantly
Speaker 1: planning to replace him. And if, if, if Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: weren't on a very unusual Bengals organization that's happy to
Speaker 1: stay stay where they are, he would have been replaced
Speaker 1: on the team he was drafted with by someone else.
Speaker 1: I believe that entirely to West's point that I think
Speaker 1: Dalton would have more trade value than Tyrode. I also
Speaker 1: think Tyrode. Tyrode's never actually hit the open market free agency.
Speaker 1: I think he would have gotten a similar or better
Speaker 1: contract to what Sam Bradford got similar. Uh, but that
Speaker 1: again puts them below the line that Dalton. I agree
Speaker 1: with you, West, I think Dalton has more trade value.
Speaker 1: But but what what I'm saying is if Dalton had
Speaker 1: been drafted by the Niners or the Rams, or the
Speaker 1: Cardinals or another team, do you think they would have
Speaker 1: stuck with what Andy Dalton is from two thousand what
Speaker 1: eleven until now? I just think the reason this list
Speaker 1: is what it is is this. Most teams have actively
Speaker 1: drafted and looked forward replacement starters, and we have We
Speaker 1: have five new quarterbacks coming in now that can make
Speaker 1: this list look completely different a year or two from
Speaker 1: now where Andy Dalton could wind up. Your difference to
Speaker 1: me is that the Bengals see Andy Dalton as a guy.
Speaker 1: If they surround him with the right talent, he's the guy.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that. I think the Chiefs once
Speaker 1: thought that about Alex Smith, but they got to a
Speaker 1: point where they didn't think that anymore. And you know,
Speaker 1: just like Alex Smith was a named v M v
Speaker 1: P Can last year, we're only a few years removed
Speaker 1: from that two thousand fifteen season which Andy Dalton played magically,
Speaker 1: and I think the Bengals I don't blame them for thinking, hey,
Speaker 1: if we can surround him, he can he can get
Speaker 1: back to that um that again, focusing on on those
Speaker 1: names that we have below uh Andy Dalton, it is
Speaker 1: interesting that, as I mentioned, the Dolphins, the Giants, and
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are the three teams that are sitting tight
Speaker 1: with their quarterback that we see below Dalton uh And
Speaker 1: they got a lot of criticism for it. So they're
Speaker 1: kind of banking on the idea that these these are
Speaker 1: guys that can and will be better than they were
Speaker 1: last season, or in Dalton's case, get back or in
Speaker 1: Tanne's case, get back to where he was before his injury.
Speaker 1: Although Tannehill he's been right next to Dalton every year
Speaker 1: that we do this, we thought about calling it the
Speaker 1: Tanna scale sounded now back in and he hasn't really
Speaker 1: moved too far up or down. I think at some point,
Speaker 1: I bet, I bet I had him at least personally
Speaker 1: above Andy Dalton scale, but now he's below. It sure
Speaker 1: seemed like the Dolphins liked Baker Mayfield a lot, and
Speaker 1: I think if in a different world Mayfield had slipped
Speaker 1: down out of that top world of draft picks. Maybe
Speaker 1: the Dolphins would have done something different on draft Day.
Speaker 1: I'm picking knits here because you know, Joe Flacco is
Speaker 1: below Andy Dalton. Ultimately, I was a little surprised. Uh.
Speaker 1: I guess others must have had him a little higher
Speaker 1: up than I do in these rankings, just looking at
Speaker 1: kind of what you know, basically, just what he's put
Speaker 1: on tape for two straight years, and that he's an
Speaker 1: older He's not that old, but he's older with serious
Speaker 1: injury issues. That he was even that close to Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton was not someone I thought was kind of in
Speaker 1: the ballpark right now. I had him, so I was
Speaker 1: the one who hit him high. But but I look
Speaker 1: at the last chunk of guys, it's like almost interchangeable
Speaker 1: to some degree. I had Placo twenty three as well.
Speaker 1: Well done, dude. What about the top ten? Going back
Speaker 1: to those guys, is there anyone in that group that
Speaker 1: you could see potentially entering the Dalton scale conversation? I
Speaker 1: could open it up to the top twelve on our list. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess who jumps out to me just because of
Speaker 1: the lack of experiences. Jimmy Garoppolo Um, we'll see he
Speaker 1: might end up being a guy that's in the top
Speaker 1: five conversation, but we haven't seen a ton from him.
Speaker 1: Anybody too. He was kind of the dividing line between
Speaker 1: the established stars and the younger group. It was basically
Speaker 1: Jimmy g and Kirk Cousins was kind of in between.
Speaker 1: Because above that, yeah, I'd be shocked if you know
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford or a healthy Andrew Luck or or even
Speaker 1: Cam Newton or Matt Ryan, certainly if we were at
Speaker 1: all talking about them in their futures. I think would
Speaker 1: have been easy to pick on Matthew Stafford in years past,
Speaker 1: but he's completely improved over the last Stafford trick with
Speaker 1: Mariota and Winston, for instance, is I think about Stafford's
Speaker 1: career path Cam to a lesser degree that Yeah, even
Speaker 1: if Winston and Mariota are like right in the middle
Speaker 1: of the NFL, but they show a lot of good things.
Speaker 1: Those are guys you're giving a big second contract too,
Speaker 1: because the hope is as they get to their late
Speaker 1: twenties and in early thirties, as we've seen, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: about your mind catching up and that guys like Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan are playing their very best at age thirty three.
Speaker 1: And I think that's partly because of experience, because he's
Speaker 1: been in the league, and Mariota has had what three
Speaker 1: four coaches at this point. I mean, it's like, as
Speaker 1: an organization, you have to look at what you put
Speaker 1: your quarterback through, and some of these guys have been
Speaker 1: through the ringer. I mean, Mariotta, how how would he
Speaker 1: be in a system that have been consistent from day one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't overstate the importance of the right play color.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's any coincidence that's the Stafford's
Speaker 1: career stabilized when Jim Bob Cooter took over and started
Speaker 1: protecting him and getting rid of the ball fast uh
Speaker 1: in an offense that suited Stafford, I think. But when
Speaker 1: I look at the top ten, to me, the candidates,
Speaker 1: the only candidates are the old guys. If they fall
Speaker 1: off a cliff Ben Robin Barger, Philip Rivers, Uh, Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck if he doesn't play again, who do you who?
Speaker 1: Did you have someone in mind? Dan Well? I I
Speaker 1: don't want this to be the truth, But Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: what if he comes back and he has you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand five, Chad Pennington arm What if he just
Speaker 1: lost his arm strength and those those passes that he
Speaker 1: you know, he was always a turnover prone quarterback. What
Speaker 1: if he ends up being a guy that can't force
Speaker 1: the ball into windows anymore and turns into a turnover machine.
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't happen. It's a depressing thought, but
Speaker 1: you can't. Until we see him on the field, we
Speaker 1: don't know it could happen to him. He's a total mystery.
Speaker 1: What makes me feel good about him is I think
Speaker 1: he had just did and was a very different player
Speaker 1: in a very underrated player in seen when he was
Speaker 1: playing through that shoulder injury, and I think he showed
Speaker 1: us a little bit more of a mature didn't take
Speaker 1: as many chances, kind of developing, getting smarter. Andrew Locke
Speaker 1: and hopefully that's the guy that was I mean, Dandy,
Speaker 1: quell your fears. At least you know they're not the
Speaker 1: culture not rushing him back on the field. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that they are even a little bit. Uh. Here's
Speaker 1: the other the other part of this conversation. So Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Patrick Mahomes, all guys
Speaker 1: that aren't involved with this list, but can easily um
Speaker 1: be involved neither next year or in two years? Is it?
Speaker 1: First of all, two part question, does it feel like
Speaker 1: there are more good quarterbacks right now? And the possibility
Speaker 1: there's at the position it's getting a little rosier the
Speaker 1: picture than it was in recent years. And two Uh,
Speaker 1: if these guys hit in Tannehills at twenty two this year,
Speaker 1: and I think in past years he is more in
Speaker 1: the middle of the pack. Sorry Dalton. At what point, uh,
Speaker 1: does does Andy Dalton get moved out of the conversation
Speaker 1: as being that primary Indian? Well, I think Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: stays because but then that that just means you have
Speaker 1: guys who are really good quarterbacks whatever happened before now
Speaker 1: And I think I think the one thing if teams
Speaker 1: have caught up to anything, it's the fact that you
Speaker 1: can go out and sign you know, the Josh mccowns
Speaker 1: of the world and try to tell your fans all
Speaker 1: off season, oh no, we really like Josh McCown because
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a solidifying presence in the locker room, X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z. That's nice, But teams have figured out
Speaker 1: all that happens is you wind up going five and eleven.
Speaker 1: People get fired if you don't put all your resources
Speaker 1: into finding the quarterback. And now the draft sometimes doesn't
Speaker 1: offer that many. When this one did, you saw a
Speaker 1: team like the Jets give up everything they had to
Speaker 1: to change the organization and now listen to what they're saying,
Speaker 1: and so you cannot pass up the opportunity anymore. And
Speaker 1: the Dalton's of the world. I think he's gonna fall
Speaker 1: down this list as we see an unprecedented amount potentially
Speaker 1: of quality starting quarterbacks because there have been other years
Speaker 1: where there have been twelve quarterbacks on any given week
Speaker 1: that are I sores. If you get lucky, it's two
Speaker 1: or three tops. That's how it first. And we'll never
Speaker 1: be in a qube nirvana because of injuries and all that.
Speaker 1: But um, if Dalton is on this, I We're doing
Speaker 1: this next year in Daltons. We are in an unprecedented
Speaker 1: golden age of quarterback play and I hope it works
Speaker 1: out that way. But I imagine some of these guys
Speaker 1: will age out at the top of this list, and
Speaker 1: some of the rookies will fail, and then everyone else.
Speaker 1: He probably end up in the same range, but it
Speaker 1: will still prove his list or his theory to be
Speaker 1: completely true because it just plays out like that, right.
Speaker 1: The problem was that we suffered through many seasons where
Speaker 1: Dalton was up around one, and it's because there was
Speaker 1: an absolute dearth of quarterbacks. One thing about this whole
Speaker 1: point is that there are ten to twelve young guys
Speaker 1: here who franchises see as franchise quarterbacks who might not be,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of padding the stats here a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I think that also what we've seen is that
Speaker 1: I've been collecting all these quotes from coaches and gms
Speaker 1: over the years about how important quarterbacks are, and Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien is the latest one who said it's impossible to
Speaker 1: overpay for a franchise quarterback. I've been collecting this because
Speaker 1: I don't think teams an analysts always thought that way,
Speaker 1: and now they're starting to. You don't have Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: sitting behind a established quarterback anymore. All these teams who
Speaker 1: need quarterbacks are going out and getting those guys. I
Speaker 1: do think it's it's fair to say at this very
Speaker 1: moment there's more franchises that feel good about their future
Speaker 1: at quarterback than any time, you know, in recently, it's
Speaker 1: it's probably a bubble, though history tells us it's a bubble,
Speaker 1: and some some of that this younger group, let's just
Speaker 1: make the group official. It's basically Jimmy G. Watson, car Prescott,
Speaker 1: Jamis Goff, Mariota. Let's make that the group for now.
Speaker 1: That all of them, their teams are not gonna all
Speaker 1: of those guys, their teams are not going to feel
Speaker 1: as good about all of those guys two years from
Speaker 1: now as they do right now. It's just that's just
Speaker 1: how it works. Well again, Nick stend that Trabinsky mahomes
Speaker 1: all the first round rookies, and the bubble is for
Speaker 1: real though, because we're not that far away from losing Brady,
Speaker 1: losing Breeze, losing Big Ben, loosing Philip Rivers. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is not young anymore, could still play for quite a
Speaker 1: bit longer. But there's a bunch of older dudes who
Speaker 1: have been on this list for a hundred years. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote some terrible QB Index article like
Speaker 1: four years ago. I think that was like now it's
Speaker 1: time for the changing of the guard at quarterback, like
Speaker 1: so long to the Brady and Breeze there. I mean,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was in there, so at least you know
Speaker 1: that that part was right. It's like, you know, Brady
Speaker 1: and Breeze is not gonna be here any longer. It's
Speaker 1: time for Russell Wilson Andrew Luck in RG three or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like that was four years. Don't feel
Speaker 1: bad because like fifteen years ago ago, Bill Simmons wrote
Speaker 1: a calm saying that Bill Belichick might be too old
Speaker 1: to be what happens. The Breeze and Brady specifically Peyton
Speaker 1: to a lesser degree, have totally helped to change the timeline.
Speaker 1: So we are maybe and Roger more years. Normally we
Speaker 1: would think of Rogers is basically at the very end
Speaker 1: now if it wasn't for Breeze and Brady kind of
Speaker 1: changing our mind of what can be possible. Dan Belichick
Speaker 1: wasn't too old until Super Bowl fifty two. Now he's
Speaker 1: now it's over. Uh yeah, we might be in Marcus,
Speaker 1: someone that lived through the dot com bubble of the
Speaker 1: late nineties, you can attest to that we were all
Speaker 1: alive during that time. It's not I was actually employed
Speaker 1: with it. Dot Com was entirely inapers. You know, what
Speaker 1: is this why two K daddy? Um funny? But we
Speaker 1: are probably like potentially in a special golden agent. It's
Speaker 1: only gonna last for what one to three years maybe
Speaker 1: where potentially these young guys, even if we only hit
Speaker 1: on two or three of these young guys, is or
Speaker 1: even two god forbid one hopefully the guy in the jets,
Speaker 1: um uh. If those guys hit and then Rogers, Brady,
Speaker 1: Big Bend Breeze, those guys kind of hang around, we
Speaker 1: could have a situation where they're like real franchise, I
Speaker 1: will promise you something. Lots of things will go wrong injuries, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there it was like if you think about
Speaker 1: last year is a good example. There was a window
Speaker 1: there where went Brady Breeze, Russell, Wilson, and Ben were
Speaker 1: all playing at a really high level. And those five
Speaker 1: guys all kind of represent other than Brady Breeze, like
Speaker 1: different parts of their career, you know, like that it
Speaker 1: was all the different generations basically of quarterbacks, and you
Speaker 1: had guys just playing at a at a really high level.
Speaker 1: But we need those like sixty guys so when people
Speaker 1: get hurt, we're still compare them to each other. So
Speaker 1: no matter what, it's just absurd that the earth cannot farm.
Speaker 1: The thirty two guy is We've said this a billion times,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't care about whatever limits limitations
Speaker 1: that are on college systems and growing athletes. The idea
Speaker 1: that like you have a hundred and eighty nine how
Speaker 1: many college teams play on Saturday. It's an absurd amount.
Speaker 1: It's a disorganized, giant amount, But well, how you not
Speaker 1: come out with thirty two starting quarterbacks over the course
Speaker 1: of five years. We'll always move the goalpost though, because
Speaker 1: just if you just look at the numbers, it's like,
Speaker 1: if you just look at Derek Carr and Dak Prescott's numbers,
Speaker 1: those numbers stand up with the great quarterbacks of the nineties,
Speaker 1: Like in those two quarterbacks had got down years from
Speaker 1: from our eyes, like we were like watching them thinking
Speaker 1: and they didn't play them, but their numbers were good,
Speaker 1: and we're just comparing it to the rest of the
Speaker 1: numbers are inflated, Like why would we even judge, Like
Speaker 1: what if every backup quarterback was Andy Dalton right around there,
Speaker 1: So even if you got your backup, you're not going
Speaker 1: to see grotesque football. John Beck, like why can't we
Speaker 1: get there because we've already said, we've already said Shanahan's
Speaker 1: Golden Boy. Yeah, that Andy Dalton is no one's version
Speaker 1: of a Hall of Famer or a franchise star. Uh,
Speaker 1: why can't we get more of those guys just to
Speaker 1: be backups? Well, then offense would be too good. Yea.
Speaker 1: The offensive coordinators get paid as much as offensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: Like I'll take a I'll take a Seahawks Patriots super
Speaker 1: Bowl where there's like a little bit of defense and
Speaker 1: a lot of offense too. You want you want some balance? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, Well there's a little too much. We'll just
Speaker 1: keep you know, Benching, Malcolm Butler and whoever the next
Speaker 1: version of that is, and you'll have both teams scoring endlessly.
Speaker 1: Some of these guys, like a Trevor Simeon looks fine
Speaker 1: when you put them behind a real offensive line, but
Speaker 1: but you can't put backup quarterbacks behind trash offensive lines.
Speaker 1: Let's just make all the teams pretty good parody, but
Speaker 1: not like parody where everybody's kind of crappy. Parody, where
Speaker 1: everybody's pretty good. That feels that feels like a pleasantville
Speaker 1: or something. That's what I'm looking for I feel like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's essentially week seven through week twelve
Speaker 1: of every NFL. Yeah, you would not be satisfied with that.
Speaker 1: You say that when you me, what about when we
Speaker 1: say the end o'clock at night and you're watching like
Speaker 1: a Sunday night football game between two clubs that are
Speaker 1: three and eight, you know what you would be? You
Speaker 1: would be like you would be like the two thousand sixteen,
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen Lions. I don't think you would want
Speaker 1: that or any Miami Dolphins team. Everyone's eight and eight
Speaker 1: and everyone plays really well, like the Matt Moore led Dolphins,
Speaker 1: but a better Matt more. That's that you are, right, Dan,
Speaker 1: If you're not a true visionary, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to call you. I think every football fan would agree
Speaker 1: that every team going eight and nate would be unusual.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I know it's kind of a theory.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit out there. Maybe I'm lost in
Speaker 1: the woods a little bit, but if everybody was good
Speaker 1: and everyone went eight in night, nobody would be unhappy.
Speaker 1: I think this is your next column next week. I want,
Speaker 1: I do need an idea. Running low on ideas this
Speaker 1: time of year. There's no light without darkness, Dan, that's true.
Speaker 1: This would get attention, your your your wish of all
Speaker 1: eight in eight NFL. I mean, I don't know that
Speaker 1: sounds what about Cleveland would be happy about that? But yeah,
Speaker 1: the teams that are bound to go too and fourteen
Speaker 1: like the idea of eight and eight as a nice
Speaker 1: island to sit on. But then what about the teams
Speaker 1: that inspire our love of football? They would all be
Speaker 1: reduced to milk toast nothingness. Games are great, though, really competitive.
Speaker 1: They give your favorite game from last year. Every game
Speaker 1: is like that. This is this is the most you
Speaker 1: know out of the box idea since my let's play
Speaker 1: two regular season games per day all season long idea,
Speaker 1: which is still out there, two per day. You can
Speaker 1: figure it out. I don't know if the players union
Speaker 1: will sign up for the jump on that park avenue
Speaker 1: and run with it. Greg Is floated it many times
Speaker 1: before today. Dan's favorite division winner of all time is
Speaker 1: the seven eight and one Carolina Panthers of a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Let's of the squad Aaron Rodgers starts
Speaker 1: playing like two thousand, seven teen Flacco. That's terrible. See
Speaker 1: that's not you're not seeing my vision. Well, um, all right,
Speaker 1: So there you go the two thousand eighteen Dalton Scale,
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton frmly entrenched as the primer Indian meridian
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Right where he should be. Ben Ben's happy.
Speaker 1: Ben's sitting in the top five as always. So life
Speaker 1: is good for the Bruiser, the big Bruiser from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Friday. We we being a mark
Speaker 1: and I uh will be anchoring things while Greg hopefully
Speaker 1: has a few drinks over in huck a Poo's or
Speaker 1: maybe in a girl. I don't think they let you
Speaker 1: in if you're not going to have it at least
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks. Am I wrong? They let children in?
Speaker 1: You can you can hang out? Yeah? I think, I think.
Speaker 1: I think what I just said. Still stand those children
Speaker 1: are drinking? Yeah, those children are probably bigger than me.
Speaker 1: Uh you are? I know you're not a big man, Gregg,
Speaker 1: But are you insinuating possibly that the people of Tybee
Speaker 1: or giants? A short joke? Okay, alright, so have fun, boys,
Speaker 1: We'll be in touch. Dan Handon signing off for a
Speaker 1: quiet storm. The Mailman, The Old Boston Lindsay fault. I'm
Speaker 1: behind the glass. It's TYPEE. Time baby till Friday m hm.