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Speaker 1: I'm Corn Fisher. I'm Christina Marie Hutchinson. Welcome Hello. Follow
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Speaker 1: do it. Um alright, So news update this week. It's
Speaker 1: a real it's a real downer, I gotta say, but
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Obviously. This one comes to courtesy
Speaker 1: of die fy. Uh. She's the trusted source of this
Speaker 1: satiste and most oppressing information for the past thirty two
Speaker 1: years of my life. Shout out so she as she
Speaker 1: texted this to me because God bless me. When she
Speaker 1: learned how to text, she was like, let me just
Speaker 1: send my daughter the saddest news stories so that she
Speaker 1: continues to be sad. How do I make this uh
Speaker 1: this about me? Um? So It's basically, a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old woman from Sudan has been sentenced to death for
Speaker 1: fatally stabbing the man she was forced to marry who
Speaker 1: she says and it's true, so it's not set to
Speaker 1: who just raped her as his family pinned her down.
Speaker 1: Her name is Norah Hussein and her case has exposed
Speaker 1: the serious problem surrounding forced marriage and marital rape in Sudan.
Speaker 1: I'm just reading the article, which is courtesy of the
Speaker 1: Daily Beast, where the legal age of marriage is only
Speaker 1: ten and marital rape is legal. Her husband's family refused
Speaker 1: an option to pardon her um Thursday, which was a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago at this point, and rejected financial compensation,
Speaker 1: requesting that she be executed instead her own family. Um,
Speaker 1: she's still in complete her husband's family. Uh, but that's
Speaker 1: still her family. Mean they're marriage her. But but I
Speaker 1: also read another article and she had a at age fifteen,
Speaker 1: she had escaped this guy. She had run um and
Speaker 1: was living with her aunt for three years and then
Speaker 1: her dad. Her her dad tricked her and brought her
Speaker 1: back to the husband that she didn't want to be with,
Speaker 1: and they had never yet consummated the marriage and that's
Speaker 1: why the husband's family held her down as he fucked her.
Speaker 1: So this is what's going on. So if you think
Speaker 1: you're having a bad day, you know you're not Nora
Speaker 1: who's saying so maybe take it down a notch. Um.
Speaker 1: She's still in Norah's is still in complete shock after
Speaker 1: her sentencing. Uh a deal Mohammed l and mom sorry
Speaker 1: for the mispronunciation, one of whose sayings lawyers told CNN
Speaker 1: describing the rape. UM. He said his brother and two
Speaker 1: cousins tried to reason with her. When she refused, she
Speaker 1: was slapped and ordered into the room. One held her
Speaker 1: chest and head, the others held her legs. Over seventy
Speaker 1: five thousand people have signed an online petition against the ruling.
Speaker 1: Hussain's lawyers have fifteen days to appeal, and so today
Speaker 1: is May twenty five, and so today is like the
Speaker 1: last day that their lawyers have a chance to appeal.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of follow up articles. Um people um
Speaker 1: from her defense team are being uh intimidated into not
Speaker 1: speaking out because a lot of activists have obviously spoken
Speaker 1: out against it. But if you guys can just like
Speaker 1: press Google and whatever the update is today, because we're
Speaker 1: recording this a little bit in advance because we're gonna
Speaker 1: be out of town. Uh, just look it up and
Speaker 1: do whatever you can. This is an instance where like
Speaker 1: tweeting and being loud on social media actually could help. UM,
Speaker 1: if there's a kind of any financial compensation you can
Speaker 1: add to the legal team and just get like letting
Speaker 1: the word out, because I think so often we're very
Speaker 1: like America soun trick and we're only thinking about issues here,
Speaker 1: but like real bad stuff is going on other places.
Speaker 1: So hopefully if we can speak out and there's UM,
Speaker 1: some groups like No Oppression against Women Initiative Sudan has
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of work, but there is a
Speaker 1: lot of threats internally because they don't want you know,
Speaker 1: they don't they you know, they like things like the
Speaker 1: American perspective are like definitely looked down upon because they
Speaker 1: think we're all horse here, which you know, maybe we are,
Speaker 1: but you know it's not it's not a good situation.
Speaker 1: So thoughts and prayers, that's not No, it's not donate
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Speaker 1: people thinking about girls trips that you guys have been on. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we we don't. We don't go to Abisa, not yet,
Speaker 1: not yet though, but like we do go on the
Speaker 1: road and we trip and oops, I've almost gotten Karin killed.
Speaker 1: Uh three times? Yeah, I was like three times. There
Speaker 1: usually is an incident on any one of our like,
Speaker 1: and it is fun because people are like, oh, isn't
Speaker 1: it Like I think people think we're like drinking and
Speaker 1: partying all the time on the road, Like most time
Speaker 1: were actually working hard. We're not as interesting as you
Speaker 1: think we are, but we always do something fun in
Speaker 1: whatever city we go to, and Christina does always get
Speaker 1: us in a predicament. Yeah. So the one time I didn't,
Speaker 1: we we told a story like very lightly, I think
Speaker 1: I think on a podcast episode before years ago. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what was this our first trip to l A.
Speaker 1: Because we were staying in a hotel. I think we
Speaker 1: were staying in the same room. Oh where, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was one of the earl I don't know if that
Speaker 1: we ever seen in the same room in la We didn't.
Speaker 1: We did in Illinois because I was like, oh, because
Speaker 1: I was texting with her Ratio and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should go over his house and hang out and weed.
Speaker 1: And we were just really trying to hang out with
Speaker 1: anyone who was even kind of famous. Yeah and yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I you know, he's a friend and
Speaker 1: he's great and I know he had a cute dog
Speaker 1: and he had I liked high raising, he had pot
Speaker 1: and um, I like all those things. And we so
Speaker 1: we went and we he lives and I guess I
Speaker 1: won't say the neighborhood, but neighbor right, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: find him. Yeah, and we drove. I think that was
Speaker 1: when that car rental place gave us that sick ass
Speaker 1: car rental like the BMW or some ship. And then
Speaker 1: we're on a very scary it was a scary street
Speaker 1: for some reason, or there was like one car that
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, someone's gonna pop out of that car.
Speaker 1: I think anyone who lives in like the l A
Speaker 1: in l A or the l A area knows that
Speaker 1: Echo Park is like like the hipster. It's a little
Speaker 1: it's current neighbors, up and coming for sure, and but
Speaker 1: part of up and coming is like sometimes it was
Speaker 1: like a car that was on fire earlier, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So we go and I never like
Speaker 1: whenever Kurd and I are going somewhere and I'm driving me,
Speaker 1: I have to drink. I'm always like I'll drink one
Speaker 1: drink early on in the night and then that's it.
Speaker 1: And then with we I never I don't I can't
Speaker 1: really drive high or I don't. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've even really tried. I was like, we didn't have
Speaker 1: to do that, but we didn't really have a rule
Speaker 1: about we just because you wouldn't think you needed it,
Speaker 1: because like you shouldn't drive stone. But yeah, so we
Speaker 1: were hanging out and we're having such a fun time,
Speaker 1: and um, I wanted to stay longer because I thought
Speaker 1: it was cute and and uh, and then we were smoking,
Speaker 1: and then I remember going, I'm just gonna smoke a
Speaker 1: little I did it with what I did with the drinking.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna smoke a little bit. And then like
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, and then it'll be final smoke
Speaker 1: cigarettes for the rest of the night. It'll be fine.
Speaker 1: We're over his house, we're like, what a couple of hours,
Speaker 1: three hours? And it was fun and we're having great conversation.
Speaker 1: Dan Burn came, oh yeah, that's right. And that actor guy,
Speaker 1: yeah the whole thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's sorry I
Speaker 1: called you that actor from Buffy. Yeah yeah yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And it was really fun. And then I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're fine. Finally go home and finally drive. And then
Speaker 1: the GPS is a very hilly neighborhood. It's like Hollywood
Speaker 1: Hills but in Echo Park with no lights. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a previously burnt car and and I was. I was
Speaker 1: a little stoned, and um, the GPS, I don't think
Speaker 1: we realized how stone you were until we got to
Speaker 1: the hell though, okay, and there was a lot we
Speaker 1: we go, we leave for Ratio's house, and then we
Speaker 1: I go to make a left. The GPS is like
Speaker 1: and make a left on and someone fucking tweeted me
Speaker 1: about this specific hill. They tweeted me a l a
Speaker 1: like a Gothamist LAist people know what's up, and it
Speaker 1: is like, apparently one of the steepest hills in fucking
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. So I felt way less crazy. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: I was stoned. It's like when that little girl kept
Speaker 1: staring at me when I was crying and on a
Speaker 1: week cookie. It was most a little weird. But then
Speaker 1: and then so the gpsls men to make a left
Speaker 1: down this fucking steepest hill in the goddamn world. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, I can't go down that hill.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't even see the front of the car.
Speaker 1: I think I tried to go down it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm gonna the car is just
Speaker 1: gonna fall out. I don't even know, Like I can't
Speaker 1: even see the road. The hills so steep, and then
Speaker 1: creds like, okay, so just don't go down it. I
Speaker 1: always have a solution, chill, so chill. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would never force someone. I don't ever want to
Speaker 1: make someone feel do something that they're uncomfortable doing, especially
Speaker 1: like behind the wheel of a vehicle. But I was like, true,
Speaker 1: it's not the only road. There's other options to the rod.
Speaker 1: And then I was like point. And then so I
Speaker 1: kept going straight and the GPS was like, yeah, turned down,
Speaker 1: whatever the funk, and I'm like, okay, I'll turn it down.
Speaker 1: Whatever the fun. And then whatever the funk happens to
Speaker 1: be a very steep curved driveway and I was like, wait, current,
Speaker 1: this is a one lane. Oh this is a driveway. Yeah, GPS,
Speaker 1: let us into some bitches driveway like bare like almost
Speaker 1: a ninety degree angle steep curve drive. I've never seen
Speaker 1: anything like either. It was the worst of circumstances. It
Speaker 1: was high drive and I was high and it was
Speaker 1: not good. And then I was like I tried to
Speaker 1: back up, and then the back right tire I start
Speaker 1: felt started going off of the hill and I was
Speaker 1: like that ain't good. Well yeah, and then I looked
Speaker 1: out the window and I was like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to freak you out, but we're about to fall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then uh, there's a bunch of trash cans lined
Speaker 1: up to the house that we were in the driveway of.
Speaker 1: On the edge. I mean, they could have put their
Speaker 1: it's asking for somebody to do this. And so I
Speaker 1: was backing up and the rear view mirror on Crin's
Speaker 1: side of the car. She doesn't even give you a warning,
Speaker 1: which as I'm hitting the recycling bin, the tall recycling bin,
Speaker 1: Karring goes, oh, you're gonna hit that. Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: know it was coming, and you're like, high, I can't
Speaker 1: make you panic. I told you the wheel was off,
Speaker 1: and this giant, five foot tall recycling bin full of
Speaker 1: glass jars at three in the morning on a Tuesday
Speaker 1: starts tumbling down a rocky cliff and it just keeps
Speaker 1: falling and falling and falling. It does seem like the
Speaker 1: person who in that house only ate out of glass
Speaker 1: or metal jar and after seeing them, that's probably an
Speaker 1: olive in tuna die No. I think she made her
Speaker 1: own baby food and ate it. That's why I think
Speaker 1: she and Mason jars. It was weird, and and so
Speaker 1: the trash can and it was late. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: sounds like a Tuesday. The trash can made the loudest noise.
Speaker 1: Karin couldn't get out of the car because she was
Speaker 1: going to fall off the cliff and she got out
Speaker 1: of the car. So I got out of the car
Speaker 1: and put the parking brake on and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no. And then this chick comes out of this house,
Speaker 1: is obviously a model, and she's like and I'm in
Speaker 1: this like sunflower dress, and she's so pissed. She's like,
Speaker 1: so you're just gonna knock someone's recycling over a hill
Speaker 1: and then just leave? Really cool, that's awesome, great, thanks,
Speaker 1: And I'm like and when I'm stoned and like like
Speaker 1: at this point I was partially stoned, but even still,
Speaker 1: if something weird happens, I'm like, wait, this is right, guys,
Speaker 1: and I have no control over my emotions. And I
Speaker 1: felt so terrible. And then I think she said something
Speaker 1: like you're gonna pick that up? And I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: i am, I'm sorry. Yeah, you know, flora length sun
Speaker 1: sunflower dress. You've got a good will very proud of
Speaker 1: that find and then I start I have to go
Speaker 1: down this staircase that goes down the mountain, and then
Speaker 1: I'm scooping the glass up and putting it in the
Speaker 1: trash can. And then the girl comes out again after
Speaker 1: yelling at us, and was like, I'm really sorry that
Speaker 1: I yelled at you guys. I was just like, really,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people do this to my
Speaker 1: drive had some mashps and came back out a better attitude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ate a chip, and she's like, my blood shooter's back,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to apologize, and I was like
Speaker 1: it's okay, as my hands are bleeding picking up glass.
Speaker 1: And then I don't know if she came out a
Speaker 1: second and then her boyfriend comes out hot man. And
Speaker 1: then her boyfriend comes out and he was he couldn't
Speaker 1: have been nicer because like you could tell, like from
Speaker 1: his attitude that like this happens a lot, and like
Speaker 1: he knows that his girlfriend overreacted, but and he's and
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, he's like I have a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble getting out of this driveway to like I understand.
Speaker 1: But the thing was like he had to come in
Speaker 1: the car with me because I couldn't get out. So
Speaker 1: I'm now in the car with a stranger at stranger,
Speaker 1: an angry stranger's boyfriend. Yeah, she was being hot, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, didn't help. It made me more uncomfortable because
Speaker 1: and I was like, and I was like, it's hot,
Speaker 1: I'm not making a good impression. Uh. And then it
Speaker 1: even took him like five minutes to back it out.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like making small talk with the stranger
Speaker 1: who's backing our rental car out of their driveway, just
Speaker 1: like ruined their nights, I know. And then but before
Speaker 1: the trash will wrap right off, the trash can filming,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to call the cops, are gonna call,
Speaker 1: but I'm high. You gotta switch places, but you're the
Speaker 1: rental agreement. Oh my god. And I was fucking freaking
Speaker 1: out and they took Yeah, it took the guy a
Speaker 1: long as time, but boiled by the girl also came
Speaker 1: out and at one point started taking like iPhone photos
Speaker 1: of the license plate. That's right, And I go, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you bitch cares it's yeah, yeah, because I remember she
Speaker 1: was like this some white girl, fucking obnoxious white girl ship.
Speaker 1: I'm photographing your license plate. I'm like claw and then
Speaker 1: she called nine and said can I speak to the manager?
Speaker 1: And then I said, that's not how you do that.
Speaker 1: You mean the president you make that call. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we know that you guys you're listening listeners of this
Speaker 1: podcast have some fucked up stories. So email us if
Speaker 1: you have a weird, like crazy, fucking nuts story of
Speaker 1: a time that you went on a girl's trip esque
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Speaker 1: allow it. No straight man and uh yeah, and like
Speaker 1: like maybe it can be sexually related, but I would
Speaker 1: like to hear like things that are a little bit
Speaker 1: more interesting with unique story. Yeah, just like a weird happening,
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Speaker 1: we find here next week. Kell. Yeah, thank you cool.
Speaker 1: Let's read some emails, all right? The subject line of
Speaker 1: this email my students assaulted me and I refused to
Speaker 1: press charges. Kurt and Christina, longtime listener, first time emailer.
Speaker 1: I just saw you last week in Columbus and A
Speaker 1: fangirled so hard. Thanks for the fantastic show. You were
Speaker 1: hilarious as always and I don't think I could relate
Speaker 1: to you more than I already have. That show, plus,
Speaker 1: your podcast released last week and finally pushed me over
Speaker 1: the edge of fear to tell a personal story. That
Speaker 1: episode was my favorite ever. You were both raw and brave,
Speaker 1: and I'm really appreciative you were willing to share your
Speaker 1: lives with us, your listeners. We in no way to
Speaker 1: serve your stories, but a lot of apologizing because we
Speaker 1: were mad. Yeah we were mad, But from one person
Speaker 1: in your audience, we truly appreciate the insight into your lives.
Speaker 1: Your strength and confidence is inspiring. That's great. Thank you now,
Speaker 1: to a story that I have been rehashing recently. I
Speaker 1: lived in Chicago for six years where I taught in
Speaker 1: urban schools. For some context, I'm very basic, white girl
Speaker 1: from Ohio, and my entire time all they're all the
Speaker 1: students were black. I truly enjoyed working there and miss
Speaker 1: my students. I loved it. My first year out of college,
Speaker 1: I worked for America Corps program to get better understanding
Speaker 1: of urban education and serve and underserved community. I was
Speaker 1: full of privilege and naivete even if I thought otherwise.
Speaker 1: We were tutors in the classroom and pulled students out
Speaker 1: of class to work on schoolwork and social slash emotional skills.
Speaker 1: One day, the students had been reading a book about
Speaker 1: a foot race, and the teacher decided to have us
Speaker 1: mimic that outside and get some fresh air. The other tutor,
Speaker 1: who's a male in the room, marked the finish line.
Speaker 1: Students ran in heat, ran in heats, tapped the line
Speaker 1: on the ground, and ran back to the teacher. Halfway through,
Speaker 1: we switched places and I stood behind the finish line.
Speaker 1: Most students were doing other things and not paying attention.
Speaker 1: Two boys ran up and did not touch the line,
Speaker 1: but instead they mimicked running into me and both grabbed
Speaker 1: my breasts. They ran back. After a moment, I fully
Speaker 1: realized what had just happened. I walked up to the
Speaker 1: teacher and told her what happened. She sent me inside
Speaker 1: to talk to the dean of discipline. I was relatively calm,
Speaker 1: but shaken. I couldn't find other appropriate adults, But when
Speaker 1: I was finally found someone related to my program, I
Speaker 1: started to get really upset. I was horrified at how
Speaker 1: my relationship would change with my class of students. I
Speaker 1: already felt like I had to justify two adults that
Speaker 1: I was an educator and one that could relate to
Speaker 1: these students despite our differences. I truly didn't start to
Speaker 1: cry until one adults suggested I pressed charges. There were
Speaker 1: police stationed in the school and they were about to
Speaker 1: go and get them. I was horrified that something that
Speaker 1: seemed inappropriate and intrusive could be the reason why my
Speaker 1: young male and black students would encounter the law as
Speaker 1: they may have they may have already have. I had
Speaker 1: read the New Gym Crow in college and was all
Speaker 1: too aware of the unequal treatment of men of color
Speaker 1: in our justice system. Outside of that. I knew the
Speaker 1: optics for much of America. I was a young white
Speaker 1: woman and black men have had assaulted me. The history
Speaker 1: of that dynamic, although so often incorrect, is believed by
Speaker 1: so many fearful, ignorant Americans. Yeah, you're right. I truly
Speaker 1: didn't know how I wanted to handle the situation, but
Speaker 1: I knew being the reason why they had records was
Speaker 1: not none of mine. Uh. The increased difficulty in their
Speaker 1: lives that had with that label to me, did not
Speaker 1: fit their crime. To me, this was my choice, and
Speaker 1: I stand by it being the right one. The boys
Speaker 1: admitted they had dare at each other, and we're suspended.
Speaker 1: When they returned to class, we did not speak of it.
Speaker 1: I was set on mending our relationships. Every once in
Speaker 1: a while, I'll wonder about it and wonder if I
Speaker 1: taught the boys anything, would they continue to harass women.
Speaker 1: There are so many reasons why women who experience assault
Speaker 1: at all levels choose not to pursue actions after it.
Speaker 1: You two have mentioned on your podcast before that that
Speaker 1: needs to be respected, and I appreciate that. I wanted
Speaker 1: to add to that conversation and give a different perspective
Speaker 1: within the Me Too movement. I have seen such pressure
Speaker 1: from women to other women to advocate and speak out
Speaker 1: about their experience and even press charges. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that that is a one size fits all approach. Can
Speaker 1: you guys speak more on your thoughts and survivor's choices
Speaker 1: and what may affect their decision. I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: what you think about my situation as women that here
Speaker 1: so many similar stories and read them in your in boxes.
Speaker 1: Thanks for all you do. Emails along, feel free to
Speaker 1: cut off. Um. I mean I would probably not press
Speaker 1: charges either if I were here in a situation at all,
Speaker 1: because this fucking country is I mean, if you fucking
Speaker 1: live here and you are ignorant to it, I mean,
Speaker 1: wake the funk up. But I mean the racism in
Speaker 1: the education, the way, the way people the public education
Speaker 1: is not equal in neighborhoods that are poor, and uh,
Speaker 1: the public education is ship and it's like those those
Speaker 1: are the kids that fucking needed the most, and so, um,
Speaker 1: I would not press charges at all. Um. Actually, it
Speaker 1: reminds me there's this guy who shank. Shank is a
Speaker 1: prison term. Doesn't it mean stabbing or something? I mean,
Speaker 1: you can call it shange meaning pull down your pants. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can shank someone not in prison, but like it's
Speaker 1: most commonly used, and it doesn't mean pulling down pants. No,
Speaker 1: shanking someone is like it's a violence. I had a
Speaker 1: totally different definition for that when I was younger. I
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? Why chancing someone?
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, it's panting. I was like, that's not shanking.
Speaker 1: Shanking is like a violent Yeah. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just I don't know why. It reminded me of the situation,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't the same at all. But I just
Speaker 1: recalled one time I was in middle school and play
Speaker 1: practice and this guy um panted me when I had
Speaker 1: a big old pad on and I was crushed. Paul
Speaker 1: loud Slager shan app. I've told the story of the
Speaker 1: podcast before, but I remember feeling like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: wasn't a teacher, I was a kid, so but I
Speaker 1: remember going, oh my god, that was terrible, and I
Speaker 1: cried a little bit because I was so embarrassed. But
Speaker 1: then I was like, yeah, he's gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1: And then he had to write my parents an apology letter.
Speaker 1: The teacher made him. He just write you an apology letter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, that's weird. I still have it though, and
Speaker 1: I look at it, I'm like, he's okay, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't press charges, but it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do I understand her feeling with um, it's just being
Speaker 1: a personal color. But if they were white, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: also have done it, because it's like, that's not I
Speaker 1: don't think it's uh, that's just say charge. It's like this,
Speaker 1: this is something you have the opportunity to educate these
Speaker 1: young men on what to do and what not to do.
Speaker 1: I think jail count slur though. Yeah, I think, like you,
Speaker 1: they should have been sat down with a school counselor
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Like I don't like the part
Speaker 1: where they didn't talk about it, because I think that's
Speaker 1: that's weird. That's where you can get through it is
Speaker 1: talking to someone because I guess suspension is just like
Speaker 1: a that's just like a punishment, but it's not actually
Speaker 1: fixing the problem. It's just like removing you from it.
Speaker 1: It's removing you from the problem. But I do get
Speaker 1: what she means because I had a similar It wasn't
Speaker 1: a sexual harassment, but I um was robbed by a
Speaker 1: person of color, my dog, my dog walker. Uh and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean part of the reason was like she was
Speaker 1: young in a person of color, and that's why I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't press charges like I called, I called Wag,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, don't have this person like
Speaker 1: go to other people's houses anymore because like more so
Speaker 1: like the next person is probably not going to be
Speaker 1: like nice about it, like it was a couple hundred
Speaker 1: dollars um and uh, I felt right, but it was
Speaker 1: like also just like she's young, like this is not
Speaker 1: you don't need to be like getting involved with the law,
Speaker 1: Like I can't imagine not knowing that this was a
Speaker 1: wrong thing to do. Obviously fired from your job, but
Speaker 1: it's a less say I thought, I thought the and
Speaker 1: I hope they fired her because like when I actually
Speaker 1: handled it really poor poorly, fuck you, Wag, I don't
Speaker 1: use you anymore. Um but uh yeah, and so I
Speaker 1: mean I would have done that though whatever color she was,
Speaker 1: if it was a young a young was an adultimate
Speaker 1: students it had it didn't had youth, but I raised
Speaker 1: it did play because uh yeah, yeah, because it's because
Speaker 1: I was just like someone a person of color stealing
Speaker 1: is not going to be handled the way a white
Speaker 1: person stealing is. It's just not going to So I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I I understand, And I feel really
Speaker 1: conflicted about that a lot. I feel conflicted. I definitely
Speaker 1: treat cat calling in Harlem different than I treated in
Speaker 1: any other part of the neighborhood, because you do feel
Speaker 1: this like uh guilt, and you're like and then you
Speaker 1: try to stack like whose struggle is harder, and You're like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say people of color are having more of
Speaker 1: a struggle than women. And then I like start rating
Speaker 1: it in my heads. But I'm like, also, I don't
Speaker 1: really feel like I should have to put up with that.
Speaker 1: So but I try to have like open conversations with people,
Speaker 1: Like my trainer is black and we have a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations about that and kind of just interesting from
Speaker 1: like different perspectives, different lives. Like it's just like there's
Speaker 1: just different ways that that It's like it's different. It's
Speaker 1: just different, and like, uh, I try to try to
Speaker 1: think about I've spent a lot of time again thinking
Speaker 1: about it, and like one is it like when is
Speaker 1: it when is it time to like put your foot
Speaker 1: down and say like, no, that's inappropriate. Someone called me
Speaker 1: a bit the other day that I put my foot
Speaker 1: down on just yelled at it for me for no reason.
Speaker 1: I was just walking my dog, minding my own books.
Speaker 1: That's what that seemed. Yeah, that seems well. He was like,
Speaker 1: kick your dog, you fucking bitch, and I feel like
Speaker 1: I was like, that was that. That's out of line.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no to that. Um alright, So this
Speaker 1: email is called my strict dad is starting to get
Speaker 1: suspicious that I'm sexually active. Hey ladies, I'm a newish
Speaker 1: listener of the podcast and just wanted to thank you
Speaker 1: for making work go by faster, making me laugh and
Speaker 1: talking about real shit. I'm an eighteen earning nineteen year
Speaker 1: old chick and my parents are hell of religious. I'm
Speaker 1: living at home, trying to save money for school and
Speaker 1: working at the same mill as my dad, so we
Speaker 1: carpool to work. In the last couple of years, we
Speaker 1: have had an awesome relationship and I'm so blessed to
Speaker 1: have such great parents, but sometimes they get way too
Speaker 1: caught up in my life and it pisses me off.
Speaker 1: I've been in a relationship with this guy for over
Speaker 1: a year now and it's going so great. I know
Speaker 1: you too really support going out and getting all of
Speaker 1: the dick while you're young. I mean with the within reason,
Speaker 1: and I'm not at all against that. I just personally
Speaker 1: don't really have an interest in that, and I find
Speaker 1: a lot more satisfaction in long term relationships, well at
Speaker 1: least this one. But if you ain't into that, go
Speaker 1: get it, girl. I legit can see myself marrying this
Speaker 1: dude in the future. I know we're babies, but I've
Speaker 1: never felt this connected with someone, and we have a
Speaker 1: fantastic sexual chemistry. I'm super young still and don't see
Speaker 1: a point in rushing into marriage, but my parents are
Speaker 1: really against premarital sex, and Loki keep pressuring me to
Speaker 1: get married in parentheses he'll know. Lately, I've been spending
Speaker 1: the night at my boyfriend's place every now and then,
Speaker 1: and my dad just brought it up like months after
Speaker 1: I started doing it. He seems to like my boyfriend
Speaker 1: way more than my past one, which is really important
Speaker 1: to me. But he told me when I spend the
Speaker 1: night at his house and makes it harder to like him,
Speaker 1: and that he doesn't want me to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're young, but you're kind of old for this.
Speaker 1: You're nineteen. He wants my boyfriend to respect me and
Speaker 1: feel sleepover is making me look bad and somehow that's
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's fault, even though it's my choice to stay there.
Speaker 1: I told him, well, it's nice to fault the man
Speaker 1: for once. I told him I don't really give a
Speaker 1: ship what it makes me look like because I just
Speaker 1: like sleeping there and I don't care what other people
Speaker 1: think about me. And then he just straight up asked
Speaker 1: if we were banging, because that's what it seems like
Speaker 1: to him. That's very strange. I told him no, because
Speaker 1: they work at a mill, so this might be a
Speaker 1: weird area of the country. I told him no because
Speaker 1: obviously that would make things a million times worse, even
Speaker 1: though his instincts are right, and because that's not his business,
Speaker 1: it's my life. I get that i'm his little girl,
Speaker 1: but I'm an adult now and I'm capable of making
Speaker 1: my own decisions. We share some of the same views,
Speaker 1: I guess, but my dad is very stubborn and interrupts
Speaker 1: me in an argument when I try to voice my
Speaker 1: opinion and thought thoughts sometimes, so it's very difficult to
Speaker 1: get anywhere in a conversation with him. Well, that's not
Speaker 1: respect And if he's so concerned with people respecting you,
Speaker 1: then he needs to do it himself. I can talk
Speaker 1: with my mom way easier than my dad, but she
Speaker 1: always seems to side with him when he's upset with me. Well,
Speaker 1: she married that kind of guy. I don't have a
Speaker 1: curfew and just come home at like two to four
Speaker 1: in the morning whenever I am over at his house
Speaker 1: on the weekend, which I personally think looks worse than
Speaker 1: just spending the night. Who's watching you all? I mean,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, can Netflix people in this neighborhood. I want
Speaker 1: to respect my dad and his views, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to when he's got such a thick skull and makes
Speaker 1: me feel bad about usually just a cuddly, innocent sleep
Speaker 1: over because day sex. Uh, you're an adult and you're
Speaker 1: fucking just say it's not a big deal. Please help,
Speaker 1: as I'm really confused on how to handle this situation
Speaker 1: without disappointing my dad or my boyfriend. Book. Thanks, I
Speaker 1: love you guys. Well. Number one, stop worrying about disappointing
Speaker 1: your parents because you're an adult and I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: already disappointed, and like it's like it's like, if you're
Speaker 1: an overall a good person and you're bringing goodness into
Speaker 1: the world then and your parents are still disappointed, then
Speaker 1: it's like, well, they just wanted to create someone who
Speaker 1: was an exact replica of them or with their views,
Speaker 1: and that's not what a kid is. A kid is
Speaker 1: an own person who thinks freely of their own thoughts.
Speaker 1: And if you want some kind of a lemming, then
Speaker 1: that you're not a parent for the right reasons. Yep.
Speaker 1: I just listen to the Four Agreements on audiobook. Can't
Speaker 1: recommend it enough, And it was talking about how we
Speaker 1: all enter this world with all of the ship predecided
Speaker 1: for us, which is so unnatural, and humans are the
Speaker 1: only species on the planet who just beat ourselves up
Speaker 1: and punish ourselves for things over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: We're the only species of living thing on the planet
Speaker 1: does that. Yeah, it takes a piss right on my
Speaker 1: carpet and looks me in the face, right, and so
Speaker 1: so they have these expectations of you, but that's not
Speaker 1: who you are. They've had these expectations of you before
Speaker 1: you were fucking born. And the reality of the situation
Speaker 1: is sexuality is healthy. You are eighteen nineteen year old woman.
Speaker 1: I mean, God damn, Dad, get out my pussy please. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I realized, like, it's not we we recommend like
Speaker 1: moving out a lot. I know that might be not
Speaker 1: a circumstance, that that not the circumstance that you're in.
Speaker 1: You might not be financially independent, um, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, some people wouldn't even let their
Speaker 1: kids sleep over, but it's like, do what you want.
Speaker 1: And also like you just don't have to discuss your
Speaker 1: sex life with your dad, Like it's just not necessary
Speaker 1: and it's fucking weird. And I would say, I would
Speaker 1: say if I were you would be like, okay, Dad,
Speaker 1: you seem like otherwise you have a pretty okay relationship
Speaker 1: with him, Like, Dad, I really love you. I don't
Speaker 1: want to know about your mom's sex life. Please do
Speaker 1: not interfere with my sex life. I am a grown
Speaker 1: woman and I really like this guy and what I
Speaker 1: do with my body. I'm responsible, I'm safe. I mean,
Speaker 1: hopefully you or to do what if you're not um
Speaker 1: And I know what I'm doing and I'm making the
Speaker 1: best decision and I think it's it squeaks me out
Speaker 1: when you try to butt in in my sex life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just say that. You know, I respect you, and I
Speaker 1: would really appreciate it if you respected me in return.
Speaker 1: I'm an adult and in respect that I can make
Speaker 1: my own choices. And also he should stop sucking interrupting you, uh,
Speaker 1: in in arguments, and I suggest, like, if not, don't
Speaker 1: get in a shouting match. But when he interrupts you again,
Speaker 1: just walk away, walk away. You know that's not because
Speaker 1: that's like right there, he's it's that's not a level
Speaker 1: of respect. I know. Like you love your dad. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying not to love your dad, but like he's
Speaker 1: so worried about respect. That's so disrespect. That's not a
Speaker 1: thick skull. That's fucking rude. Yeah. And if your mom's
Speaker 1: putting up with that ship, like you know what, it's
Speaker 1: like she made that decision and she's in that marriage
Speaker 1: and that's her fucking fish to fry or whatever. But
Speaker 1: like you don't need to put up with that ship
Speaker 1: and you need to stop the pattern. A now, thank you. Uh,
Speaker 1: this week's guest so fucking excited to have her on.
Speaker 1: We've been We've been trying to get her on for
Speaker 1: a while. She is one of the most amazing drag
Speaker 1: queens in New York City, a legend. She's Juilliard trained,
Speaker 1: wonderful singer. She's the host of drag Wars at Pieces
Speaker 1: bar Um. Please give a warm welcome to Chaquita. It
Speaker 1: seems my way of a living don't live up to
Speaker 1: your standard. And if you had your way, I'd be
Speaker 1: some proper kind of lady. Well, the door war is
Speaker 1: over there. If I may speed with perfect candor, you're
Speaker 1: welcome to walk through it in any old time that
Speaker 1: your fancy, because I leave this ship. I don't need
Speaker 1: another all in life. It was my where the way
Speaker 1: the word game out. But the things he said, do
Speaker 1: damn time to feed the dover, get it out of
Speaker 1: do them turn away? You can to make it the
Speaker 1: another day. Just gonnaver. Okay, we are here with Sequida.
Speaker 1: The personalities on the radio. I don't know Cary from
Speaker 1: Jamaica sounds like a family guy character, it doesn't I know.
Speaker 1: I know you are one of the most amazing performers
Speaker 1: I've ever seen and one of the funniest. Uh. Because
Speaker 1: Karin has always said that she learned about stand up
Speaker 1: How did you stand up comedy from drag queens? Because
Speaker 1: drag queens are the fiercest, funniest people. And the first
Speaker 1: time I went to drag Wars with Karin two or
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, you were you were hosting, and it
Speaker 1: was all these jokes. You were telling, these racist jokes.
Speaker 1: And as a comedian, we used to hear that ship
Speaker 1: and it used to be like you could tell it
Speaker 1: to a room and everyone would be either uncomfortable, which
Speaker 1: was fine, or they were laughing their ass off. And
Speaker 1: you comics can't do that anymore. And so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like the only place well you know, from me.
Speaker 1: It's about like reading the audience. Like you know, first
Speaker 1: of all, I always say you're at a drag show.
Speaker 1: This is not Disney and I so if you know,
Speaker 1: if you're coming for PG. Thirteen, you went to the
Speaker 1: wrong bar, you went to the wrong venue. I think
Speaker 1: as a drag queen, you know you you you were
Speaker 1: saying that we like you learned from drag queens because
Speaker 1: they're always funny, they're always but we've kind of had
Speaker 1: to be you know, we're drag queens are sort of
Speaker 1: ment to sort of push buttons and men just and
Speaker 1: it's not the whole point of drags like gender fuck.
Speaker 1: The whole point is just comfort exactly. And I do
Speaker 1: I mean all my life, not just drag. What all
Speaker 1: my life? I've always played with people's perceptions, so I
Speaker 1: never actually changed my voice in drag, But people, like
Speaker 1: so many people and so many straight guys, are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, so are you a woman? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: did you hear my bass baritone voice? Like I don't pretend.
Speaker 1: But what I work with is I work with people
Speaker 1: see this thing on stage, and they just in their
Speaker 1: minds they forget everything else that they know. And so
Speaker 1: I always say, it's it's a difference between me walking
Speaker 1: in here today in this interview, like in a three
Speaker 1: piece suit or walking down the street in you know,
Speaker 1: jeans and a T shirt. You get treated differently every way.
Speaker 1: And I sort of use that perception of how people
Speaker 1: see me and how people see each other, and I
Speaker 1: use that in my drag and I use that in
Speaker 1: my comedy, so I can get away with a lot
Speaker 1: of things that most people probably could not. But also
Speaker 1: there's a very fine line, like I literally, you know,
Speaker 1: I look at people I'm I'm a great reader. I
Speaker 1: love to read my audience first. So I will walk
Speaker 1: out on stage and immediately I'm looking around immediately, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, can I do this? Can I
Speaker 1: say that kind of who is going to be offended?
Speaker 1: You know? And you do cycle that you do ask
Speaker 1: yourself that that all that all goes through my head,
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, I just did this benefit
Speaker 1: on Monday for my friends Stephen, Stephen and Jared, and
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, I don't write anything. Everyone's
Speaker 1: all in. I did Okay, I don't want to be shady,
Speaker 1: but I did an event last night and the guy
Speaker 1: who was hosting it, oh my god, No, he's a
Speaker 1: sweet guy. I love him today that I work with
Speaker 1: him all the time, but he is completely scripted, like
Speaker 1: he cannot and you know, me, I'm like just shouting
Speaker 1: things off the top of my head. And when I
Speaker 1: do that, it freaks him out because then he has
Speaker 1: to stop the script and then remember where he is
Speaker 1: and then goes back right into the script. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm always just trying to get him to like just
Speaker 1: go with it, just go with it. And so at
Speaker 1: this benefit, you know, I was like, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to walk out there and talk to these people. And
Speaker 1: you know, my friend had a really tragic accident and
Speaker 1: he's a Broadway dancer, Jared uh and he is paralyzed now,
Speaker 1: so you know, and I thought, and they actually asked
Speaker 1: for me to perform with this benefit because they would
Speaker 1: come to my shows on Fire Island all the time.
Speaker 1: And so I was backstage and the stage manager sent
Speaker 1: me an email the day before saying, Okay, everyone's doing
Speaker 1: these ballads. Everyone's was like, Uh, why do people always
Speaker 1: want to do? That's not what they know you for.
Speaker 1: That's not what they want, you know. They don't want
Speaker 1: to sit him and cry. Yeah. So I mean I
Speaker 1: walked out on stage and I just started talking to
Speaker 1: them as if they were not as if he was
Speaker 1: not in a wheelchair. Yeah. I just talked to talk
Speaker 1: to him the same way I would talk to him
Speaker 1: during my show on Fire Island. And I really think
Speaker 1: that's the best way to approach the situation. That's a
Speaker 1: stand of common right there. I mean, that is exactly
Speaker 1: It's like forcing people to confront things with laughter and truth,
Speaker 1: and it's truth is awkward one. Yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: love that you want to be treated as an equal.
Speaker 1: You don't, I think I always my thoughts on stage
Speaker 1: is like people like, oh, I can't believe you made
Speaker 1: fun of this person with a disability or or whoever
Speaker 1: in the audience. But it's like, no, you don't want
Speaker 1: to feel different, like, oh, they made fun of everyone
Speaker 1: else except for me because I am in a wheelchair.
Speaker 1: I think that makes you feel more different. I mean
Speaker 1: I I see performers always like either pandering to the wheelchair,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm like, just eat them the same.
Speaker 1: That insults everybody equally. It just doesn't doesn't mean they're
Speaker 1: not a piece of sh it anyway. Exactly. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's not good. It's not an inconvenience.
Speaker 1: It's not good. But you know, hey, it happens all
Speaker 1: the time, you know you, And it's so especially in
Speaker 1: a gate club. We're so used to seeing the white
Speaker 1: girl and we expect, oh my god, she's gonna be white,
Speaker 1: gold twisted. It's a very rare, specific kind of way, exactly,
Speaker 1: very very rare. Always like oh my god, I love you,
Speaker 1: and then literally literally thirty seconds later, I hate you.
Speaker 1: Where's my shoe? Why did they always lose their shoe.
Speaker 1: Why do white girls all shoes? White girls? They have
Speaker 1: this like their drink. It's like but somewhere between five
Speaker 1: and six drinks where a switch goes off and they're
Speaker 1: in beast moments. Yes, and they're trying to they're yelling
Speaker 1: at you. But I think it's also, you know, it's
Speaker 1: our society, Like girls are treated as princess and everyone's
Speaker 1: supposed to love them, and we still live in you know,
Speaker 1: we live in New York in such a bubble where
Speaker 1: everything is gay and it's not. I mean, we are
Speaker 1: ten percent of the population. So when you're when you're
Speaker 1: a straight girl and all you know your life is
Speaker 1: that you're a princess and everyone has to bow down
Speaker 1: to you, and the man has to buy this, and
Speaker 1: the man has to open the door. That's all you know.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you have this person on
Speaker 1: stage saying you don't get exactly, you don't get the attention.
Speaker 1: It's not about you, it's about me and there and
Speaker 1: it freaks them out. Oh my god, it's so much fun,
Speaker 1: so much fun. Yeah. I don't First of all, I
Speaker 1: don't really um, I don't really appreciate when people are disrespectful,
Speaker 1: not just to me, but to other performers. If I'm
Speaker 1: on stage, first of all, you can't be disrespectful to
Speaker 1: me because I will shut shut that ship. Now. I
Speaker 1: cannot imagine anybody trying to step up. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: this one. This one girl. And I threw someone out
Speaker 1: of my bar the other day and everyone was like
Speaker 1: even my husband was like, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 1: believe you did that. But it's like, you know what
Speaker 1: it needed to be done. She was not. So I
Speaker 1: didn't really care so much about myself. This was a
Speaker 1: drag Wars. I didn't really care so much about myself.
Speaker 1: But she was sitting there in front of the stage,
Speaker 1: literally in the first seat, and her arms folded the
Speaker 1: entire time, never smiling, never tipping, didn't even have one
Speaker 1: drink the entire day. And I went up to her
Speaker 1: the first time and I said, hey girl, you having
Speaker 1: a good time? And she was like move on, oh
Speaker 1: hell no, bye bye. And I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: I see she's feeling some kind of way. And so
Speaker 1: I left it alone and I moved on, and then
Speaker 1: the girls the other performance, and so drag Wars is
Speaker 1: like a place where like young drag queens to just
Speaker 1: get started. So you want people to be applauding. And
Speaker 1: I always say, give people the respect that you would
Speaker 1: want if you're on that stage. So to see a
Speaker 1: girl sitting there, arms folded, bitter, not applauding, I mean,
Speaker 1: these girls are doing death drops, back flips, jumping off
Speaker 1: the like climbing to the top of the bar, jumping
Speaker 1: down onto the dance floor, and she just sat their
Speaker 1: arms folded, not even buying a drink. And so then
Speaker 1: after like this just kept happening, happening, happening. I just
Speaker 1: went on stage and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's no reason for you to be here. First of all,
Speaker 1: you're taking up a seat. Why are you here? Yeah, here,
Speaker 1: if you're so miserable, leave You're making the performers feel
Speaker 1: as if they're not doing enough. Yeah, just applauding is free,
Speaker 1: and in the front the front, Yeah, that's like applauding
Speaker 1: is free. Being nice is free. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: be nice to everybody else in this woman asked you
Speaker 1: to leave. Did you get a standing ovation? I mean
Speaker 1: the people aplauded because she was she was just being mean,
Speaker 1: and it's like, there's no room for that. Why yeah,
Speaker 1: drag Wars is I mean, it's one of the most
Speaker 1: magical environments I've ever been to. And I took my
Speaker 1: best friend to the latest round of the competition with
Speaker 1: the Kurd and Tommy and she was like crying. She
Speaker 1: was like, this is there is something about seeing a
Speaker 1: drag performer, just the confidence that they have. And the
Speaker 1: death drag death drop is when you land in the splits,
Speaker 1: right exactly, that's the most impressive ship. That's Kuda slam.
Speaker 1: That's a Kuda slam slamming. The death drop is when
Speaker 1: you dropped backwards on your back. Oh oh, that's the
Speaker 1: death How do you do that? I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Girl at my age, if I do a death drop,
Speaker 1: I'll drop dead, bitch. No no, no, no, no. I
Speaker 1: just stand on stage and drink kind of I'm not
Speaker 1: kind of queen. But it's like, you know, as as
Speaker 1: Melissa and I my best friend, we were talking about
Speaker 1: like we're in weird phases of like with boys and
Speaker 1: stuff and breakups and ship and we're just like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to find the confidence. But then honestly,
Speaker 1: going to drag Wars, it's like instant you feel amazing,
Speaker 1: And like I walk home every time to this apartment
Speaker 1: from when I go and I just listen to like
Speaker 1: Christina Aguilar and Britney Spears walk home from Pieces because
Speaker 1: I'm so amped, because I'm like so excited, I walk
Speaker 1: home with like a strut like you around the corn
Speaker 1: and I would take a car now. I was so
Speaker 1: excited after Drag Wars. You know what it said. First
Speaker 1: of all, so you know earlier I said that I'm
Speaker 1: not want to be insulted like you. You can't. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't really insult me first of all because I'm
Speaker 1: a drag queen. But also I don't you can't disrespect
Speaker 1: me because I won't allow that um. And I also
Speaker 1: don't let queens disrespect all the queens. I don't let
Speaker 1: audience disrespect the queens, and I don't let the queen's
Speaker 1: disrespect the audience. So the environment that we've created a
Speaker 1: Drag Wars is something I'm incredibly proud of because I literally,
Speaker 1: you know, I will go backstage and if I see
Speaker 1: someone being county, can I say that work Hunt is
Speaker 1: a great work. I just I just don't understand these
Speaker 1: young queens who feel so entitled who put on a
Speaker 1: dress and think that they have the right to either
Speaker 1: insult an all the queen or insult an audience member,
Speaker 1: or think that they're better than the audience member. I'm
Speaker 1: always like, you were a boy in your apartment singing
Speaker 1: in front of a hairbrush a minute ago. When did
Speaker 1: you become Beyonce? And Beyonce is not even Beyonce, And
Speaker 1: even though she is, she deserves the right. So when
Speaker 1: I see that kind of attitude, and I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of other drag shows in New
Speaker 1: York City, um, and those queens are welcome to go there,
Speaker 1: but at Wars in my house, if you're disrespectful, you
Speaker 1: will not be invited back. And the girls know. And
Speaker 1: it's so funny to see the girls that try to
Speaker 1: pretend like, oh, I'm so sorry, Can I come back?
Speaker 1: And I'm like yes, but you know, if you come
Speaker 1: back and you come to my house, you have to
Speaker 1: play by my rules. And I do not suffer counts
Speaker 1: likely lightly. How did you get so confident? Uh? Uh? Agree?
Speaker 1: You always like that? Yeah, I want I would like
Speaker 1: to go back to the beginning to get a head
Speaker 1: into drag because it's like you're born in Jamaica as Gary.
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that a Jamaican name? You know? Actually Jamaica.
Speaker 1: I know my all my family we have very like
Speaker 1: non I guess non African or Jamaican names. My brother
Speaker 1: is Julian. My sister's Andrea. I was like, my Jewish
Speaker 1: uncle's named g I know my brother. My other brother's
Speaker 1: name is Michael. I mean it's and it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I have now the longest, I think, the longest name.
Speaker 1: I think my parents probably thought I was going to
Speaker 1: be a king or royalty and I just ended up
Speaker 1: becoming a queen. It's funny. Literally I have four names,
Speaker 1: and now that I'm married, I have five. Wow, what's
Speaker 1: the full five? It's Gary Andrew Bancroft soyk Hall. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, gracious if I heard that name, like, I
Speaker 1: want to meet that person. I can't even put that
Speaker 1: on anything like it's it's like I just have to
Speaker 1: put like one or two. It's I want to get
Speaker 1: you a custom name, teg. Like that's really Long's amazing.
Speaker 1: Was being a king on the table because you said
Speaker 1: you grew up bougie? Um? So I was like, was
Speaker 1: this an option? How were are we talking with this,
Speaker 1: so you know, for the for the West Indian and
Speaker 1: the Caribbean people listening to this, they we'll understand, Like
Speaker 1: Jamaica used to be a British colony of course, and
Speaker 1: so my family, uh is in banking and the government,
Speaker 1: so lots of like you know, when you were when
Speaker 1: you were at home or when you were with the
Speaker 1: family dinner, it was always very British and very like
Speaker 1: proper and very like stayed and you know, and I
Speaker 1: mean the funniest thing is I actually did not realize
Speaker 1: that my uncle was were in the government. I mean
Speaker 1: I heard secretary, so I always thought my uncle was
Speaker 1: like a secretary. Yeah. I was like, oh, my uncle
Speaker 1: like help something, you know in types and stuff. And
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, are you stupid? But I was.
Speaker 1: I was that child like I made the always made
Speaker 1: the dumbest assumptions. Uh. And my mom was like, no,
Speaker 1: your uncle is a secretary of state, which meant nothing
Speaker 1: to me when I was nine years old, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know what that means, you know. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: my all the uncle was like in charge of all
Speaker 1: the banks of the West Indies. Yeah, so we grew
Speaker 1: up like that and my grandmother was very Um, my
Speaker 1: grandmother was amazing. My grandmother raised me from I was
Speaker 1: nine until I was twelve. And then when I was twelve,
Speaker 1: I moved to Manhattan. Uh so I was straight from
Speaker 1: Jamaica to Manhattan to pursue being a performer. No, so
Speaker 1: my mom moved here. And then after she moved here,
Speaker 1: and think she lived here for three years and then
Speaker 1: we met my and my brothers and sister. We all
Speaker 1: moved here to meet my mom because my mom divorced
Speaker 1: my father and that's why she moved here exactly. And
Speaker 1: then what was it like growing up? Like how like,
Speaker 1: are you the youngest? I am the youngest, I'm the
Speaker 1: favorite child. Welcome, welcome, you got that favorite kid? You
Speaker 1: don't know I was. You know what I think as
Speaker 1: a child. My mom used to all because I'm not
Speaker 1: very violent. Um, and I I'm not very violent or
Speaker 1: I'm not very aggressive. Um. But my mom would say
Speaker 1: she was always afraid of me and my brother ever
Speaker 1: getting into a fight because I don't fight like traditionally,
Speaker 1: I don't get angry, and my husband hates me for this.
Speaker 1: I don't get angry, I get quiet and I just stop.
Speaker 1: And that freaks people. I actually like that. I think
Speaker 1: that's charming and unique. That freaks people out the most
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, I'm not gonna wait, that's too
Speaker 1: much energy. It's too much energy. I'll stab you on
Speaker 1: the head and needed to be dead, Like I waste
Speaker 1: all that energy fighting and getting sweaty and just you know, no,
Speaker 1: just get it over with. So no, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not like a violent person or an angry person. So
Speaker 1: when people are arguing and I just kind of just stopped.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's that kind of like scary,
Speaker 1: like it throws people off. It does. That's a great weapon,
Speaker 1: but exactly take their power away because they're like fighting
Speaker 1: and they want to fight, and you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always said insecurity is loud and confidence is silent,
Speaker 1: And I feel like you so rarely would see somebody
Speaker 1: demonstrates silence in an argument that you'd be like, wait,
Speaker 1: when I first when I first moved to this country.
Speaker 1: So this was in the late eighties, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just get my age away guying when I first
Speaker 1: was in this country. Uh, I always I went. I
Speaker 1: spent one year at a junior high school, and one
Speaker 1: day these guys like stole my shoes or something, or
Speaker 1: one of my shoes. I remember I was wearing them,
Speaker 1: and they like they like jumped me for them and
Speaker 1: stole my shoes. And everybody freaked out because I was
Speaker 1: just so silent, and all the teachers are like uh.
Speaker 1: And I literally, very calmly got up walked to the
Speaker 1: principal's office and I said, in my very precocious way,
Speaker 1: I think these two kids need to be suspended. They
Speaker 1: stole my sneakers. You have a stoicism about And the
Speaker 1: principle was like, uh, because no one back then, no
Speaker 1: one rd it on each other, and no one would
Speaker 1: like and I would just be like and I would.
Speaker 1: I named names. I named names, name and name, and
Speaker 1: I was like, these two people stole my shoes. They
Speaker 1: need to be suspended. Now, don't you know who I
Speaker 1: think I am? So I was always I was always
Speaker 1: like that. So I think that's where like when I
Speaker 1: see people being disrespectful on stage, it's me or two
Speaker 1: especially like I can take I can take it, but
Speaker 1: towards another performer, and especially to a new and young
Speaker 1: performer crime, so it pisses me off, and you see
Speaker 1: their creativity be stifle and they started doubt themselves. It's like,
Speaker 1: well that you don't deserve to have that, that's yourself. Um,
Speaker 1: did you did you move to America openly gay? Or
Speaker 1: did it? Did that come later? I never I mean
Speaker 1: I was always called sissy in Jamaica. You know, do
Speaker 1: you know what that means? You think you can figure
Speaker 1: it out? Ye? But yeah, I had to give her
Speaker 1: a visual for that. I never think there was never like,
Speaker 1: I never thought of being gay. Um. But then when
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I went to Lagartia High School. Um,
Speaker 1: and then one day I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: just tell my mom that I have a boyfriend because
Speaker 1: I I didn't come out as gay. I literally one
Speaker 1: day was in school and I went up to this
Speaker 1: guy and I was like, Matthew, you're going to be
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. And he was like wait what. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're going to be my boyfriend? And he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gay. And I was like, what does that mean? Really?
Speaker 1: You just had no kind of you didn't know it's
Speaker 1: your sexuality exactly exactly. So I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? What does that mean? It's like I don't
Speaker 1: like boys. I was like, is that a thing like
Speaker 1: he was never discussed in your in your childhood home,
Speaker 1: like did you ever hear any negative as a child,
Speaker 1: It would like as sissy boy and okay, A mean exactly,
Speaker 1: but you know, I never because because I was always
Speaker 1: like whatever, I never really gave a fuck. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so when I said to Matthew, I won't say his
Speaker 1: last name, you listen, I was like, Matthew, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be my boyfriend? Is like, and I was just I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, so, I mean, but the thing is
Speaker 1: not only not only was I just the whole gay thing.
Speaker 1: Now looking back at it, I was telling somebody they
Speaker 1: were going to be my boyfriend. Wasn't asking it, wasn't
Speaker 1: interested in whether he liked me or not. I was
Speaker 1: just like, this is what it's gonna be. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then then you know, of course, then I was just
Speaker 1: like and then I told my mom and she's like okay,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, Mom, so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gay, and she's like okay, So I know that.
Speaker 1: How did that make you feel? It was? It was
Speaker 1: literally so matter of fact, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: hear all these stories of coming out and people losing
Speaker 1: their families and people like, it hurts me so much
Speaker 1: to hear that a parent will disown a child for
Speaker 1: the child being them their authentic self. That is the
Speaker 1: that is so hard for me to understand. And I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for my mom. Uh. You know, honestly, my
Speaker 1: older brother was living in Trinidad at the time because
Speaker 1: he was going to college. And then when he came here,
Speaker 1: I was working at the New York State Theater at
Speaker 1: the time. Uh, and we I was just like, let
Speaker 1: me take it out for lunch, blah blah blah. And
Speaker 1: we were talking and we were talking about, like, you know,
Speaker 1: life in Trinidad and you know, small wester inn and
Speaker 1: countries still very homophobic to this day. And I, you know,
Speaker 1: I said to said to him something about being gay,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, we used to storm the game
Speaker 1: the sissy wise the batty boise in Trinidad. It's like
Speaker 1: you would so you would stone your own brother. And
Speaker 1: he's like, he's like, what does that mean. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gay, Julian, and he's like uh And I was
Speaker 1: like not you, but you know, And now it is
Speaker 1: so amazing to me that fast forward, how many years
Speaker 1: if I don't show up at the annual Christmas party,
Speaker 1: they cancel it. Literally that is that is how like charming?
Speaker 1: And I mean one And it pissed me off a
Speaker 1: little bit though, because I was like one of my
Speaker 1: the hired clown, one of my the free entitrment, the
Speaker 1: only fun one. That's actually actually what everyone says. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be the family clown.
Speaker 1: I just want to be part of the family. But
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing to see how like. And then last
Speaker 1: year they met my husband for the first time and
Speaker 1: to see a West Indian family who is loud as fun.
Speaker 1: I mean to all the residents out there, no offense,
Speaker 1: but you all loud as fun. And trust me, I
Speaker 1: know too because I'm just right up there. And my
Speaker 1: poor husband is from Serbia. He's very like and they're
Speaker 1: all and my sister, who's a tyrant, she's like a
Speaker 1: little midget and she's not a midget, but she's like
Speaker 1: she's like five feet tall, but it's like one of
Speaker 1: those like short people that just need to be heard
Speaker 1: Napoleon complex um. And she's just grilling, grilling, my poor
Speaker 1: husband and she's just going in just everything, just everything.
Speaker 1: So how is how is Gary is Gary? Is Gary
Speaker 1: pushing you? Buttle just going on and on and I
Speaker 1: was just like, and he handled himself very well. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's so funny. Now my mom won't even
Speaker 1: meet me for lunch unless my husband's there. She's like,
Speaker 1: she's like, I called her. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come and take her to dinner. She's like, oh, is
Speaker 1: Alex coming. It's like, oh no, he has to work.
Speaker 1: And she literally said, oh well, why don't just wait
Speaker 1: till Alex has a day off? Oh wow? Yeah. But
Speaker 1: it's it is amazing though, to see how through uh,
Speaker 1: through great I think great examples, through just showing people
Speaker 1: that being a gay person is just like being anybody else.
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect you if you're straight. If I'm gay,
Speaker 1: and just your straightness doesn't affect me being gay. I
Speaker 1: think once people start to see that and people's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in um teaching by example and
Speaker 1: teaching by greatness. I think if you see someone, for instance,
Speaker 1: who is um as as they say, handicapped or disabled,
Speaker 1: and you see someone who who's handicapped and is doing
Speaker 1: something great, but before you used to be afraid of
Speaker 1: handicapped people and you see someone who's doing You're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe I was wrong. And I think that is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, you know, there's lots of
Speaker 1: uneducated people in every category, Gay uneducated people, straight uneducated people.
Speaker 1: I think if you are an ignorant gay person and
Speaker 1: you're spouting ignorant ideas, a straight person is never going
Speaker 1: to accept you. Um And it's and vice versa. I
Speaker 1: think it takes understanding and it takes uh respect if
Speaker 1: you you respect the person you're talking to, no matter
Speaker 1: what level they are. UM. And I remember my voice
Speaker 1: teacher always taught me the most important lesson know your audience.
Speaker 1: Always know exactly who you're in front of this way,
Speaker 1: then you can adjust and you can and that's you know.
Speaker 1: That helps me in my day to day conversations, It
Speaker 1: helps me on stage, it helps me in life. So
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of how far my family has come,
Speaker 1: but not just my family. I think I think the
Speaker 1: the example that I've shown of how a gay person
Speaker 1: is just like everybody else has rubbed off on a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I hope it rubs off on a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I hope even my drag that drag
Speaker 1: queens aren't some fringe of society, That drag queens are
Speaker 1: just valid and entertainers like everybody else. I think if
Speaker 1: you do anything well, it will be accepted and people
Speaker 1: just need to humanize. That's so so your your brother
Speaker 1: at that time when you at lunch with him, he
Speaker 1: was saying he's stoned. It he still happens burned, they
Speaker 1: get burned. You know that happens for sure. It's rough.
Speaker 1: And then you know because a lot of times and
Speaker 1: I like, I always think like, oh, kids aren't getting
Speaker 1: kicked out of house now, but then Karen does a
Speaker 1: lot of work with New Alternatives, who is an organization
Speaker 1: that helps homeless LGBT kids who have been kicked out
Speaker 1: of their house. I'm like, damn, it still happens. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that that that person's parents and they
Speaker 1: need to humanize. It's we do live in a bubble,
Speaker 1: and you think it's eighteen and that still is happening
Speaker 1: and people are But you know, even like that thing
Speaker 1: on the news where this guy. Did you see that
Speaker 1: where the guy was just like um berating this woman
Speaker 1: for speaking Spanish, I haven't seen this. I feel like
Speaker 1: that Spanish. I feel like that happened. I've seen like
Speaker 1: clips like that so many times on the past. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What the guy was a lawyer and he went to
Speaker 1: this like I think it's called Fresh Kitchen, and he's
Speaker 1: berating this woman for speaking Spanish. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: does that especially in New York City? The funk hath
Speaker 1: the people here speak Spanish? But we do forget that
Speaker 1: there's so many people that are elitist, so many people
Speaker 1: that are racist, so many people that only want to
Speaker 1: hang out with what they know and think that they
Speaker 1: are better than It helps them to feel great to
Speaker 1: think that they are better than someone who may be
Speaker 1: cleaning the floor. And you know, my I take the
Speaker 1: biggest pride in talking to everybody. My husband literally like
Speaker 1: you talk to everybody, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: It's the best way to learn about the best way
Speaker 1: to learn about people. And it's so great because I
Speaker 1: can go to a I mean I can go to
Speaker 1: a club where I haven't been in thirty years and
Speaker 1: walk in and the security guard, the head of security,
Speaker 1: or the manager. Last night, I walked into a bar
Speaker 1: where I was working, and I went up to this
Speaker 1: this girl, I was like, hey girl, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen her in like literally probably fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and just talked to her because back then she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, just I think a bus boy or whatever. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, hey girl, how you doing?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'm the manager handed me at I
Speaker 1: could drink tickets. I'm like, but you know what, just
Speaker 1: if you treat everybody the same, you never first, first
Speaker 1: of all, you never know who you're talking to. And
Speaker 1: I think people like this guy who is so thinking
Speaker 1: that there's so much better because you either have more
Speaker 1: money or you went to a better school. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you went to a better school. There are
Speaker 1: people who have zero education who are probably way more talented,
Speaker 1: way more interesting than I will ever be. And so
Speaker 1: too to think that just because oh I went to
Speaker 1: the Juilliard school, that I'm better than someone who didn't
Speaker 1: go to Juilliard. There are people who are have amazing
Speaker 1: careers singing and I'm tap dancing for tips. So but
Speaker 1: like I know, but still I would never. I would never,
Speaker 1: and I always I make a joke about it because
Speaker 1: I think Juilliard people who went to Juilliard. Actually it
Speaker 1: was a thing back then when I went to school.
Speaker 1: I mean, people would literally say, um, hey, I need
Speaker 1: to I need to fix my trickal wiring. And the
Speaker 1: person like I went to Juilliard, I can do that.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, wait, has nothing to do with it,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. They just wanted to put in the I
Speaker 1: went to Juilliard. So yeah, yeah, so I just make
Speaker 1: it a joke now about everything. But no, I would
Speaker 1: never put like where I am in life or you know,
Speaker 1: against anybody. I treat everybody the same, whether you are
Speaker 1: the cook, the cleaner, the owner, or the boss, the chef.
Speaker 1: I treat everyone the same. Have you experienced instances where
Speaker 1: you are treated less than you've had to? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what do you do? Like? What's an example I would
Speaker 1: like to hear specifically, Like because I feel like we
Speaker 1: talk all about like race a lot these days, but like,
Speaker 1: as a drag queen, do you get I feel like
Speaker 1: drag queen because you hit on it before, like is
Speaker 1: not really respected as an art form and as a comedian.
Speaker 1: I feel that because like people are putting their feet
Speaker 1: on the stage and I'm like, you would never go
Speaker 1: to Hamilton's and like put your feet out as like
Speaker 1: Linmannuel Miranda's walking across the stage. True, and granted it
Speaker 1: is a it is a more I would say a
Speaker 1: club or a bar is more relaxed sitting. You know,
Speaker 1: there's drinks and there's everyone's drinking and having a good time.
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, as I said, no your audience,
Speaker 1: I'm not pretending that I'm sitting in a Broadway theater
Speaker 1: and I need one thousand percent of silence. It's a bar.
Speaker 1: People drinking, people are talking, people are flirting. People are
Speaker 1: you know, there to hook up? Um? What I what
Speaker 1: I think though, is if you are there to watch
Speaker 1: the show, sit in the front. If you want to
Speaker 1: meet and mingle, go to the bar, go to the back. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean I've I have had situations where people have
Speaker 1: been like, oh, but you're just a drag queen, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 1: You know? And especially bartenders, and I want to talk
Speaker 1: to the bartenders out there in the world, don't underestimate
Speaker 1: the drag performers, especially in New York City. I once
Speaker 1: had had an incident where I was doing the show
Speaker 1: and I was actually producing the show and actually produce
Speaker 1: all the shows that I do. Um, just because I'm
Speaker 1: a controlling freak. Ah. And I was producing the show,
Speaker 1: which means everything from designing the ads, uh, doing the concepts,
Speaker 1: even designing the stage and the curtains and the lights
Speaker 1: and exactly editing the music and then invite doing all
Speaker 1: the pr and the press for the show. And I
Speaker 1: was doing the show and then this bartender was having
Speaker 1: an issue with his X who was there, and he
Speaker 1: was drinking because his X was there, and uh, he said,
Speaker 1: I said to him, just just relaxed. I invited his
Speaker 1: X because his ex was was also my mutual friend,
Speaker 1: so I invited him to the show. And the bartender
Speaker 1: was like, well, you don't have any say here. You're
Speaker 1: just the drag queen. And I was like, um, actually
Speaker 1: this is my night and you're the bartender, so why
Speaker 1: don't you stay behind the bar. And I'm responsible because
Speaker 1: without me, you'd be standing behind the bar with no
Speaker 1: one to serve. Think about that, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times people don't realize that. So the drag
Speaker 1: is bringing the show. The people come to watch the
Speaker 1: show and not and they're having a good time, they're drinking.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I am the only power there
Speaker 1: or the only reason that the people are there, but
Speaker 1: without the shows. And if you go to any bar,
Speaker 1: most bars in New York City, especially gay bars there
Speaker 1: there might be packed on a Friday and Saturday, as
Speaker 1: they should be on a Monday night, but drag Wars
Speaker 1: is past week. Oh my god, you couldn't even move.
Speaker 1: You can't move, And for the bartender to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ignore you because you're just the drag queen
Speaker 1: and you're not paying my bills. Actually I am paying
Speaker 1: your bills by packing your bar, so you know, and
Speaker 1: not every every bartender is like that, but there are
Speaker 1: a lot of bartenders I think, oh, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take care of the paying customers. You're just that,
Speaker 1: you're just the help. And I they're obviously coming from
Speaker 1: somewhere place of insecurity and hurting. Obviously it's insecurity, not knowing,
Speaker 1: just exactly not understanding that. Wait, your bar is packed,
Speaker 1: Why is the bar packed? Just do a little just
Speaker 1: do a little math, do a little thinking outside of
Speaker 1: your elf, and it's you know, it's usually to the
Speaker 1: barton and it's like the wants to be the sexy
Speaker 1: shirtless one and was like, Okay, you may be cute
Speaker 1: and you may have a great body, but if I
Speaker 1: don't bring the people in here, no one will see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you got to tuck your dick. I just stopped
Speaker 1: talking at this point. Really, oh, I just let it.
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe my show will be packed. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say no fense, but then it's kind of small.
Speaker 1: I am Jamaican. Do the math. I can't say. I
Speaker 1: can't say that this is Do you have any like
Speaker 1: tips for like talking? One one time, one person Jade
Speaker 1: Valenciaga explained how to tuck a dick. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know if like different people talk it or is it
Speaker 1: just always the same things. To be safe, it should
Speaker 1: be you know, you put your balls back in where
Speaker 1: they came from your hole. No, not off your butt hole.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is this is why I should
Speaker 1: and talk to women about pieces. Well, that's why we
Speaker 1: need to know. You put your balls back. They dropped
Speaker 1: from your ass one day, None of them balls came
Speaker 1: out of my ass. The Philadelphia school system over there
Speaker 1: from and then you take I use a tucking panting
Speaker 1: it's called a gaff, and then you can that's really
Speaker 1: sort of a very um thick piece of fabric in
Speaker 1: a triangular shape, and it's basically a really industrial strength
Speaker 1: G string. So you can't get a boner in that,
Speaker 1: right you, because that would hurt. You'd be sucking yourself.
Speaker 1: If I've actually heard of that, somebody, some guys seen it?
Speaker 1: What you himself, master bait? No, stick his hard dick
Speaker 1: in his ass and stock himself and I'm not watching
Speaker 1: what that's amazing? Oh my goodness. Have you seen it
Speaker 1: in real life? You know? I saw I saw a video?
Speaker 1: Is this only gay porn? Though? Have you seen a
Speaker 1: straight porn? I don't think it's It's like a video
Speaker 1: is straight if it's a person by themselves. I thought
Speaker 1: it was like happening, maybe like a side thing of
Speaker 1: like gay port because like you, no, this is not happening. Aga.
Speaker 1: You can put your hard dick up your own buttle
Speaker 1: if it's big enough. It's big. I guess you have
Speaker 1: a curve. I mean it's blood, so you know it does, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. Oh my god, I have this the funniest story.
Speaker 1: This guy I work with, he's like, oh I have
Speaker 1: I have a lot of muscles in my dick. What what, Well,
Speaker 1: he's like a bodybuilders, a bodybuilder, so it's just God,
Speaker 1: love him. And if you're listening to this, vic, I
Speaker 1: love you. But I just mentioned his name. We can,
Speaker 1: we can? Oh my god, it's fine, it's fine. He's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a muscular dick? You can't really
Speaker 1: have there's no there's no muscling. Yeah, you can't. You
Speaker 1: really know nothing about dicks. No, you said that the show.
Speaker 1: You know nothing about dick. I did look like you're
Speaker 1: giving some lesbian vibe. Well that I kind of figured,
Speaker 1: but like I learned very recently that when you give
Speaker 1: a blowjob, you gotta like suck in with your mouth,
Speaker 1: not just like lick it like a lollipop. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty. When did you go to school? Uh, Penn State?
Speaker 1: And then Mary Ma Manhattan, Mary Ma Manhattan. I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't be. And I was giving well, that's because
Speaker 1: she used to, well she used to how great they
Speaker 1: were and how much she loved them. And I was
Speaker 1: like thinking, in my head, are you doing this right?
Speaker 1: Because like, women are a lot of us don't really
Speaker 1: love What are your thoughts about straight w I like dicks?
Speaker 1: Straight women don't like giving blow jobs. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a big job, and I don't think we enjoy it
Speaker 1: as much. And also I think it's it's just my
Speaker 1: talk to my gay friends. I think they like it
Speaker 1: because they're going to get the same thing. But like
Speaker 1: eating pussy and a blowjob sounds better to me. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would really like a blow job, but
Speaker 1: I just can't get one. Uh, well, you can get
Speaker 1: you a pussy. Yeah, I know it's not the same.
Speaker 1: It's not the same blow jobs. I want to do
Speaker 1: like two dicks, and I think I should do we
Speaker 1: should do uh like an Instagram story about really honestly,
Speaker 1: let's do let's do one of those stories where you
Speaker 1: can vote straight women, but just for straight women. Do
Speaker 1: you like giving blowjobs? Our listeners might? Do you love it? Like?
Speaker 1: Do you like giving blowjobs? You do finding the chore?
Speaker 1: Like I like someone? Maybe? I think it's half and half.
Speaker 1: I think there a lot of women that just love
Speaker 1: giving blowjobs. I love it. I think it's great. It
Speaker 1: makes me so proud. Do see a disc go from
Speaker 1: like zero to hero and you're like, I did that,
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm not worried. Wait, so he starts sucking
Speaker 1: with dick when it's soft, I will it depending on
Speaker 1: where we're at, or if like we just had sex, well,
Speaker 1: if we just had sex and then the guys laying
Speaker 1: there I did the other day and he was laying
Speaker 1: there and his dick was flashed, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: let me bring this back to life. And I did
Speaker 1: a direction immediately after having I mean we waited like
Speaker 1: ten minutes immediately after a twelve year old boy because
Speaker 1: it was usually thirty. It's pretty hard to do that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, probably because I didn't have lots of sex
Speaker 1: when I was younger. Yeah, what's your sex? When I
Speaker 1: lost my virginity? Oh my goodness, can I say this?
Speaker 1: I think I was. We had the other day, so
Speaker 1: you can say no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna know. Oh my god, you're gonna gag. I was.
Speaker 1: I was like, two, Oh, that's fine. It's like the
Speaker 1: ideal age. I wish I waited honestly because I didn't
Speaker 1: know what I was doing. Oh, but I meant I
Speaker 1: had never ejaculated or never come until I was like, her,
Speaker 1: did you come? I saw stars. I would have passed out.
Speaker 1: I was with my boyfriend never pursued you didn't learn
Speaker 1: about in school. It was very you seemed like so
Speaker 1: fancy that maybe you've never even had sex, but not
Speaker 1: like oh no, no. So I was very laser focused
Speaker 1: as a child, like I knew that I was going
Speaker 1: to become this great opera singer. So I was literally like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was that obnoxious child. I was like study, study, study.
Speaker 1: I would go to Juilliard from from like nine in
Speaker 1: the morning and leave that practice room at nine at night,
Speaker 1: go home, make dinner, rest, get up, like all I
Speaker 1: did was And then I worked at the New York
Speaker 1: City Opera, so you really didn't have time for sex.
Speaker 1: So I didn't really think so much about it. And
Speaker 1: then I was dating this guy, and uh, we were
Speaker 1: fooling around and then I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: something's happening. Oh my god, Oh my god. And then
Speaker 1: he was like are you have you never and I
Speaker 1: was like no, I was like what, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I saw stars. Did he know you've never came before
Speaker 1: he found that out, he was probably so excited. He
Speaker 1: was he was so much older than me, but at
Speaker 1: the time I was just like, oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: so old. He's like thirty three, and I was like,
Speaker 1: he's ancient. Oh my god, he's like a lawyers. Like,
Speaker 1: oh sugar daddy. Wow. And then did you did you
Speaker 1: masturbate after you first had an orgasm a lot? Like
Speaker 1: I would have been like, no, I think I didn't
Speaker 1: really become suit like sexual or until I was probably,
Speaker 1: I would say, in my thirties. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: because you were so busy your life exactly. I was
Speaker 1: so busy with school. I was so busy with work.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, still to this day, I'm focused.
Speaker 1: I am a workaholic, you know. And I I I
Speaker 1: think sometimes i sit in my apartment and I'm working
Speaker 1: on something and working in a costume, and I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting there crying for Drag Wars my finale. Look, I
Speaker 1: was just sitting at home crying as I had to,
Speaker 1: like one by one put every single Sorrowsky bead on
Speaker 1: that head dress that was gorgeous, exquisite, and I was like,
Speaker 1: and then it just always reminds me of when I
Speaker 1: was doing the show a long time ago Barracuda. I
Speaker 1: made this Tina Turner outfit and little my fingers were
Speaker 1: bleeding with like hot glue and wire and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I was like sitting on my floor in my
Speaker 1: apartment back then crying and my friend was like, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Just this is like four in the morning
Speaker 1: for the show the next day. And it was like
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm here to help. I'm here to help.
Speaker 1: He's like, don't worry about it. Everybody appreciates all the
Speaker 1: work you do. And I was like that made me.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay. He was like everybody. Everybody sees it.
Speaker 1: Everybody sees how hard you work. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to finish it. And I finished it and
Speaker 1: to this day, I still have the costume. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when you're working that hard, you do
Speaker 1: have to think, uh, maybe one or two people appreciate
Speaker 1: the amount of work that goes into it. Um for
Speaker 1: some reason, everybody thinks I'm rich and I'm not. You
Speaker 1: just talk with this like it's so funny. I just
Speaker 1: worked with this drag race queen and she was like, girl,
Speaker 1: I've been watching you on Instagram am for like years now,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe I finally got to meet you
Speaker 1: and you have never worn the same outfit twice. I
Speaker 1: was like, bullshit, girl, I mean, but I do you know,
Speaker 1: granted I do have a lot, yeah of outfits. I
Speaker 1: have like wardrobes and wardrobes. How big is your closet?
Speaker 1: It's an entire room. Wow, that's so cool. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: just like walk in it when you're like in the afternoons,
Speaker 1: when you're like, there is one entire side that is
Speaker 1: all gowns, one entire side that is uh, Florida's and
Speaker 1: this is Florida. This is like the Vogue closet. And
Speaker 1: one entire side that is all bodysuits literally just bodysuits,
Speaker 1: like covered in sky crystals. Uh there's and there's another
Speaker 1: closet that's all cat suits. Oh my god. People don't
Speaker 1: realize like when you're when you do dragon, you do
Speaker 1: it as well as you do you the pension of
Speaker 1: detail to your outfits, to your makeup and every but
Speaker 1: you know what, it's also I love the growth every time,
Speaker 1: you know. And and another thing is amazing, Like I
Speaker 1: just got married last November and my husband is thank you.
Speaker 1: My husband is amazing. He's literally like, Okay, so you
Speaker 1: have nine hundred and nine thousands Rosky crystals. We need
Speaker 1: to add nine hundred nine nine thousand more. And he's
Speaker 1: like literally helps me to like up my game and
Speaker 1: it's you know, obviously doing it by yourself is difficult,
Speaker 1: but having a partner, having someone there that is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you look great. Now we need to step your pussy up.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I'm down for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a worker. We met on Grinder. Actually,
Speaker 1: so many, so many happy gay couples I know met
Speaker 1: on Grinder. I mean, I don't doesn't matter whether you
Speaker 1: meet in a library or a church, on the street
Speaker 1: or online. I think as long as you meet, we're
Speaker 1: just mad because it doesn't happen on Tinder that much.
Speaker 1: Tinder like match dot com. I've heard so many more
Speaker 1: success stories from Grinder. But okay, so you do know
Speaker 1: that it's a smaller population. Yeah, but so, I mean
Speaker 1: I also just know like a lot of gay men,
Speaker 1: like I have more gay friends. I feel like you
Speaker 1: should sign up to Christian Yeah yeah, like that actually
Speaker 1: be really funny. Christian mingle profile would be really funny.
Speaker 1: And when you're wearing a yam, I love it. I
Speaker 1: was like, girls don't wear that. Wait, when so you
Speaker 1: so you went to Laguarity at number one. You do
Speaker 1: have to audition to get into Laguaritia. I thought, so,
Speaker 1: so you go to Laguardi at Juilliard, and then so
Speaker 1: you're on this path to be an opera singer. Where
Speaker 1: does where do you become a drag queen? A party? Party?
Speaker 1: I want to hear this story. I'm fascinated. So we
Speaker 1: did an opera call Hugh the Drover at Juilliard and
Speaker 1: at the end a bunch of friends. And so I
Speaker 1: always hung out a lot with the dancers because I
Speaker 1: was always tall and thin, and everyone thought it was
Speaker 1: a dancer. I mean, I remember going into my voice
Speaker 1: class and the teacher would be like, oh, the dance
Speaker 1: department is on the second I was like, I'm a singer.
Speaker 1: God damn it, because you know, everyone was rotundu and
Speaker 1: I was like, literally I was. I think at the time,
Speaker 1: I was the youngest student ever admitted to Juilliard. I was, so,
Speaker 1: I was just a skinny black boy, and I was.
Speaker 1: I went to school with Auntio McDonald. We're in the
Speaker 1: same class. And now she's like seven eight Tony Awards
Speaker 1: and I'm still tap dancing for tips. McDonald call me,
Speaker 1: I need a dollar, but it's uh. So after the show,
Speaker 1: like some of the dancers were all like, let's go out.
Speaker 1: Let's party. I was like okay, and like, but you know,
Speaker 1: you have to dress up because they're not going to
Speaker 1: let you in the club. But this is like you
Speaker 1: had to like be picked to go into the club
Speaker 1: back then, yes, and so this is right post stour.
Speaker 1: And so they dressed me up, and I remember I
Speaker 1: was wearing like a neglige and like a straw hat
Speaker 1: and then a wig and then somebody put lipstick on
Speaker 1: me an eyeliner, and I was wearing just like conversations.
Speaker 1: This is my first time ever having makeup, uh, And
Speaker 1: I was like okay, And I was always just kind
Speaker 1: of like whatever, you know whatever. So we all I
Speaker 1: into a bunch of taxis and we went down to
Speaker 1: this club, and I remember it was so frightening because
Speaker 1: I got out of the taxi hundreds of people outlined
Speaker 1: outside like screaming, and then like the door the door
Speaker 1: guy looked at me and he literally looks like when
Speaker 1: you think of the definition of like an Aryan race Nazi,
Speaker 1: like he had the sad no, no, he had the
Speaker 1: platinum blonde hair parted slick to the side, completely shaved
Speaker 1: on the side like Aryan features tall, wearing all black,
Speaker 1: and he looked straight at me. It's like you, who
Speaker 1: are you with? And I was like me and I
Speaker 1: was like uh. And my friends like nudged me and
Speaker 1: I was like them and they like come and we
Speaker 1: all walked into the club. And this was the second
Speaker 1: night of the Roxy, the biggest. This is the second
Speaker 1: Saturday of the Roxy. And so I walked in there
Speaker 1: and walked up those grand staircases and I was like
Speaker 1: in a whole new world. I was like what the
Speaker 1: It was like five thousand people and lights and music,
Speaker 1: and everyone is like dressed in costume because you had
Speaker 1: to dress up to go out. Back then, you couldn't
Speaker 1: just wear jeans and a T shirt. And I was
Speaker 1: like what. And then boy George comes over to me
Speaker 1: and goes, oh my god, I love your look. Do
Speaker 1: you want to be one of her hosts? And I
Speaker 1: was like, uh what. He's like, I'll give you a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars every week to show up and be fabulous.
Speaker 1: So I went over to my friends. It's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, boy George just offered me a job. Boy
Speaker 1: George got you into dress, and my friends were like,
Speaker 1: you're so stupid. Remember I totally always make the wrong conclusions.
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's not boy George is a costume
Speaker 1: party idiots, that is And I was he was like,
Speaker 1: that's the promoter. That's Lee Chapel. He's the promoter of
Speaker 1: and it's like he offered me a job here and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, take it. This is like
Speaker 1: the hottest job you can get us on the guest list.
Speaker 1: They only cared about getting on the guest lists. They
Speaker 1: didn't really care about and so the next week, like
Speaker 1: they called me, called me. It was like, um, so
Speaker 1: we'll see you on Saturday. Just show up here, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Just be fabulous. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to be fabulous on my own. So it's like,
Speaker 1: let me pull some ship. And I think it was
Speaker 1: just terrible. I don't even think it was drag um.
Speaker 1: I think it was probably the same neglig I kept it.
Speaker 1: I wore that again and then a wig and tried
Speaker 1: my makeup. Essence of Essence of Dragon just bad, just
Speaker 1: like going to Dwayne Read and trying to put on
Speaker 1: trying to beat it. No, not even Ricky's trying to
Speaker 1: beat beat a face, and you know, it was terrible. Dragon.
Speaker 1: I had black hair and it was uh. And then
Speaker 1: Lee was like, oh my god, you have to have
Speaker 1: a drag name. And so my first drag name, can
Speaker 1: I say this? I don't a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know it. Actually, I know. It's kind of alright. My
Speaker 1: first ever drag name until it became Shaqwida, I only
Speaker 1: had to I was Miss Shady Lane. I like it
Speaker 1: because I was quiet and I didn't do drugs. I
Speaker 1: still to this day, I have never done a drug
Speaker 1: in my life, even well obviously yeah, but like no, nothing,
Speaker 1: never smoked a cigarette, and so I was just always
Speaker 1: like you know, and I was raised speak when spoken
Speaker 1: to and so when called uh, so I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: the one to just like you know, I would be
Speaker 1: bouncing around doing my thing, and then when somebody would
Speaker 1: ask me question, I would respond. But I was never
Speaker 1: like in your face and obnoxious and like so people
Speaker 1: just always they're like, oh, look at her, She's being
Speaker 1: so shady, and I was like, I'm not being shady.
Speaker 1: I'm just taking it all in. Yeah, And especially like
Speaker 1: the way I speak people just I sound so like
Speaker 1: like like almost like a cartoon character, right. People always
Speaker 1: say you sound like Jesse Norman. Yeah, well that's the
Speaker 1: opera background and training. Yeah, it's the best voice. So
Speaker 1: I know, I was like, I just want to close
Speaker 1: my eyes and listen to you. Should have like a radio,
Speaker 1: I know, yet I would. I hate. Do you hate
Speaker 1: listening to yourself? I love? I don't really I hate
Speaker 1: listen to myself. Oh my god, when I when I
Speaker 1: hear when I hear my voice, I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: love people's voices. I love being able to manipulate a voice,
Speaker 1: And like, I did you take um, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: got taught in standard stage dialect in school and I
Speaker 1: when I learned that, and I had like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a Southern accent when I came to college.
Speaker 1: And just the way you can manipulate your voice and
Speaker 1: round your like any round and that, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm obsessed with voices. Of course, I'll be
Speaker 1: attracted to somebody just because of their voice. I mean,
Speaker 1: growing up in Jamaica and then moving here and then
Speaker 1: speaking British English sometimes in Jamaica, and then a Jamaican
Speaker 1: English officer with my friends in school and then moving here,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, Okay, no one's understanding what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I had to then speak American uh.
Speaker 1: And then when I went to Juilliard, they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't speak like that. You can't what was that voice? Like?
Speaker 1: It was it was just standard American English. And then
Speaker 1: I had to learn Uh, it wasn't standard. It was
Speaker 1: like just American slang. And then you had to learn
Speaker 1: standard American English. And surprisingly I actually failed my first
Speaker 1: standard American English test because my ose and and my
Speaker 1: vowels are so closed from like learning first British. So
Speaker 1: like my last name is h A L L and
Speaker 1: everyone always thinks I'm saying h O l e oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so I say hall instead of Americans say hal. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't I have the hard gary ha. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: I had to say in school, you had to say
Speaker 1: the hot pot is not in the lot, and I
Speaker 1: could not do that as American. Did you ever do
Speaker 1: give me the gift of a grip top sock? No?
Speaker 1: I never did that, but the same thing, and my
Speaker 1: teachers like, the hot pot is not in the lot,
Speaker 1: and I don't even think I did that right. If
Speaker 1: my teacher is listening, I'm sorry, but I for some
Speaker 1: reason like those open like cold you say, how do
Speaker 1: you how do you say the hot pot is not
Speaker 1: in the lot? Hot pot is not in the lot? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound right, you said you said when you
Speaker 1: mimicked hers, that sounded more American again, like Jersey like
Speaker 1: like the p as sound like terrified of actually losing
Speaker 1: my accent, I think. I'm like, I just want to
Speaker 1: keep like everything that is me. I want to keep it,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to like because astounding like actors
Speaker 1: like they all I'm like, how does everyone talk the same?
Speaker 1: Or like anytime someone's like getting interviewed on a late
Speaker 1: night talk show, everyone sounds like the same. But then
Speaker 1: they're They're like, but I'm from Minnesota and I love
Speaker 1: I love accents, I love languages, so, uh, you know
Speaker 1: how many languages? I actually know about seven? You were
Speaker 1: speaking Russian the other night, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just pulled it out of your back pocket. You
Speaker 1: were bluffing and then everyone and then then she started
Speaker 1: talking back to you, and I'm like, oh no, that's
Speaker 1: like legit Russian. There it freaks out you know, I've
Speaker 1: gotten to travel the world a lot, so and because
Speaker 1: as I do love all cultures that you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not one of those Americans because I'm not
Speaker 1: while I am American, I'm Jamaican American. I mean, I've traveled.
Speaker 1: So when I go someplace, I will learn the language
Speaker 1: in like three months. If i'm there, I can learn,
Speaker 1: you know. Like the hardest one I have to say
Speaker 1: was Dutch because every single person Amsterdam speaks English fluently.
Speaker 1: So the minute they hear that you are not a
Speaker 1: typically a normal uh sorry, what's the word native Dutch speaker,
Speaker 1: they switched to English. And I would force my friends
Speaker 1: are like, no, speak to me in Dutch. Speak to
Speaker 1: me in Dutch and um, and if to the Dutch community, um,
Speaker 1: you're a wonderful community, beautiful people. My first boyfriend ever
Speaker 1: was in Holland. But it is the ugliest language in
Speaker 1: every Like when you say I love you, you wanted
Speaker 1: to be something that sounds romantic and beautiful and like
Speaker 1: in French your tem uh. In German, I liberty, even
Speaker 1: yeah in in Russian yell yallo blue to be a
Speaker 1: But in Dutch it's just not well that sound well
Speaker 1: Dutch is sort of a mixture of German. You know,
Speaker 1: English is really like a mixture of Dutch and England
Speaker 1: and German, so it's all kind of derivative. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can speak German, you probably can understand a
Speaker 1: bit of Dutch. Um. And the great thing about learning
Speaker 1: Dutch is then you can say you can speak Afrikaans
Speaker 1: and Flemish because it's pretty much the same language. Learn
Speaker 1: one game too much. How did you know you wanted
Speaker 1: to marry your husband? Uh? He actually proposed to be.
Speaker 1: But you know the truth is we met on grinder.
Speaker 1: We went for a date because I was just given
Speaker 1: up on the hooking up and I was just like, one,
Speaker 1: I didn't want people in my space, and I love
Speaker 1: my apartment and I had a lot of expensive shit, um,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, let's go for a drink.
Speaker 1: Like my grinded profile back then was like let's go
Speaker 1: for a drink. And so people like send me a
Speaker 1: message and I'd be like, let's go for a drink,
Speaker 1: and they would block me because everyone just wanted to suck.
Speaker 1: And you see a black man, You're like, oh, just
Speaker 1: suck me with that big black dick. And I was
Speaker 1: like you get a lot of like, oh, you're totally
Speaker 1: I was like, let's go for a drink first, and
Speaker 1: it'll be like block denied silence. Uh. And then he
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I guess we can go for a drink.
Speaker 1: I mean in hindsight. In hindsight, he was like, I
Speaker 1: really just wanted to suck, and but he was like,
Speaker 1: let's go for a drink. So we went. I tried
Speaker 1: to find a place where no one would know who
Speaker 1: I was, and so we walked around the East Village
Speaker 1: for a while and we found this restaurant and we
Speaker 1: sat there and I was like, so, do did I
Speaker 1: ever tell you what I did? Because we talked for
Speaker 1: a while. I'm not wanting to just like talk once.
Speaker 1: I would like have a conversation online for a while.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, did I ever tell what
Speaker 1: I did? I was like, He's like no. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a drag performer named Shakwida and he was like
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I was like, bingo, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nice. And actually we have been together every single
Speaker 1: day since that date? What every single time? How long
Speaker 1: ago was that? That was over two years ago? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? Wow, So that's like love at first sight.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was love at first sight. Um,
Speaker 1: but I just you grew on me after, like I
Speaker 1: would say, after like two weeks. I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is a really good guy. You know, he was
Speaker 1: very he still is. He's very loving, he's very warm.
Speaker 1: You know, there's obviously like he's from Serbia. I'm from
Speaker 1: Jamaica slash America. Um, I'm much older than he is
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't want to give away my age.
Speaker 1: People think I'm twenties six? Is it twenty eight? I
Speaker 1: don't know how people to think of sugar. But he
Speaker 1: he's an amazing guy. He is an amazing guy, and
Speaker 1: I I am just so grateful and blessed and the
Speaker 1: fact that I go to sleep with him every night. Um,
Speaker 1: And I'm very easily annoyed. I'm very easily because I've
Speaker 1: been independent my entire life. Um, I have. I have
Speaker 1: broken up with guys for buying the wrong color towel
Speaker 1: from my bathroom. Like I dumped this guy because I
Speaker 1: my bathroom. Yes, my my bathroom was blue and white
Speaker 1: and he bought this like obnoxious orange topes the vine
Speaker 1: and I was like baby he's like, he's like, but
Speaker 1: this is beautiful. I was like, okay, well you can
Speaker 1: have it in your apartment. Yeah. And you know, my
Speaker 1: mom was like pissed at me for that. She's like,
Speaker 1: your sounds stupid. That's why you're going to be sing
Speaker 1: off that rath online. Uh. And well, obviously, now, as
Speaker 1: as I get older, you learned to compromise. You learned
Speaker 1: they're bigger things than that. But at some point, though,
Speaker 1: you do have to have a certain sense of wanting
Speaker 1: the same thing and wanting the same aesthetic. And you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like those small things eventually will can break
Speaker 1: up a relationship. So when somebody says, oh, it's such
Speaker 1: a trivial thing, the color of a towel, um, it
Speaker 1: is really just like an aesthetic thing. And like if
Speaker 1: you don't feel the same way, like you don't, you
Speaker 1: don't have to love all the same things. But I
Speaker 1: feel like it does help to for you to both
Speaker 1: grow together. Like when we decorate the apartment, I always
Speaker 1: tell my husband, like, I get nine, say in the
Speaker 1: decorating skills, and you can buy a plan. Is he
Speaker 1: okay with that? Oh, he's totally okay. Well, he also
Speaker 1: loves my style, so that imagine your apartment is beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's okay. I've been told it's a little show roomy
Speaker 1: that looks like a furniture show room. That's awesome. It's
Speaker 1: very clean and white and modern. I know. I was.
Speaker 1: I was. I was meeting with this new cleaning lady
Speaker 1: that we're thinking of getting, and she came in and
Speaker 1: she's like, it's it's so moderning here I was gonna
Speaker 1: And then you know, of course, and everything is run
Speaker 1: by like WiFi and Alexa and like all this, all
Speaker 1: these like iPads on the wall to win everything. And
Speaker 1: she's like, I remember my last cleaning lady, which is
Speaker 1: always called me, Oh Mr Gaddy, how do you turn
Speaker 1: on light? I miss Elsa. She's great. Um, okay, I
Speaker 1: just have my my I had dinner with my dear
Speaker 1: friends last night and they said that I had to
Speaker 1: ask you this. So, um, they want to know about
Speaker 1: your quote unquote relationship with RuPaul, your beef. Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's get this on the tape. Than listeners, listen up.
Speaker 1: This is the truth. This is an exclusive. I have
Speaker 1: never publicly said this. Thanks for giving me the courage.
Speaker 1: She never actually spoken about this in public, so this
Speaker 1: is the truth. RuPaul and I used to know each other.
Speaker 1: We used to be friends, we used to work together.
Speaker 1: I was traveling at the same time she was traveling
Speaker 1: around the world, so I would like meet her. I
Speaker 1: remember meeting her once in in this town in Austria
Speaker 1: called Gratz and we hung out in her limousine before
Speaker 1: she went off to the airport, which is the day
Speaker 1: she met Diana Ross actually, because they flew her back
Speaker 1: on the concorde Um. This is how long ago that was.
Speaker 1: And so we would go down to South Beach and
Speaker 1: perform together um and we both lived in the West Village,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened, but at some point
Speaker 1: I noticed. Now you know when you're walking down the
Speaker 1: street and you see a friend or somebody you know
Speaker 1: as a friend, and you you're like, you're both walking
Speaker 1: towards these each other, and you get the sense that
Speaker 1: one person doesn't want to stop, yes, and it's just
Speaker 1: a huge exactly. And so that kept happening, and I
Speaker 1: would see her at the local dagastino in my neighborhood
Speaker 1: in the West Village and I'm like, hey, girl, what's
Speaker 1: going on? And she you just noticed that she really
Speaker 1: never looked at me. I never want to talk to me.
Speaker 1: And she was like, that's great. Her attitude towards changed.
Speaker 1: Her attitude towards me changed. And then um we it
Speaker 1: was my birthday and my friend, my my assistant at
Speaker 1: the time, took me to see Eartha Kit and RuPaul
Speaker 1: was there also with our mutual friends Ari Gold and
Speaker 1: Billy Porter and so, uh, they were all like, let's
Speaker 1: do something after and I think it was I think
Speaker 1: it was Ari who said, oh, Rude doesn't want to
Speaker 1: go to bar because she's not drinking um and she
Speaker 1: loves the board games. And so they're like, let's just
Speaker 1: go to your apartment. It's around the corner. I was
Speaker 1: like sure. Um, So we all went back to my
Speaker 1: apartment and we're having drinks and I remember my neighbor
Speaker 1: came up and brought me a bottle of gray goose
Speaker 1: and he and I know, and and he walked like
Speaker 1: he walked out outside of the door and he's like, wait,
Speaker 1: is RuPaul sitting in your living room? Was big at
Speaker 1: that point, Yes, yes, yes, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's her. Uh. But the entire time she was at
Speaker 1: my apartment, she never spoke to me. She spoke to
Speaker 1: everyone else, and we were playing board games. I think
Speaker 1: were playing either Scrabble or Scaddigers or something, and she
Speaker 1: never spoke to me. And you you know when you
Speaker 1: know when someone like you were all laughing and we're
Speaker 1: all drinking and um, and actually I don't think we
Speaker 1: were drinking because she didn't want to drink. So I
Speaker 1: was like purposely like, let's just have you know, soda
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Yeah, And I just felt this like
Speaker 1: uncomfortable sensation, and she just did not want to talk
Speaker 1: to me. And I was just like, oh oh, And
Speaker 1: even I think even my assistant at the time was like,
Speaker 1: that was weird. Is there what's the beef with you?
Speaker 1: And Rue I was like, I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: just thought that was weird. You're in someone's apartment and
Speaker 1: she literally talked around me, like when it was even
Speaker 1: my turn game. Well, I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's petty or maybe in her mind there was something
Speaker 1: going on or somebody something was said about me that
Speaker 1: she heard or over her. I don't know, so no
Speaker 1: one ever really, I don't really know. And I would
Speaker 1: still see her events and or see her in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood in West Road and once I saw her and
Speaker 1: she saw me, and she crossed the street. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it was obvious because you know, you know, Rude wears
Speaker 1: those suits which is so bright and like, and she
Speaker 1: like crossed the street. And I think at the time,
Speaker 1: I was with my husband and he's like, that was weird.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah. And so my friend worked for
Speaker 1: the casting for RuPaul's Drag Race and since season one
Speaker 1: they've been like, we need you on the show. We
Speaker 1: needed the show, and of course I'm telling them this story.
Speaker 1: Was like, I don't think Rude likes me very much.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. And he's like, just
Speaker 1: just just just do just do a tape. So I
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that. I didn't do the full audition.
Speaker 1: I just did like a tape of me talking and
Speaker 1: he was like and then they called me, and I think, so,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it's disjointed, like there's a casting firm
Speaker 1: that then looks at all the tapes and then they
Speaker 1: bring it into Rue and World of Wander and then
Speaker 1: they decide who they want um. And so the casting
Speaker 1: people called me like, oh my god, that's hilarious that
Speaker 1: but it was hilarious. How long did it take you?
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, what video? Like the video you
Speaker 1: sent us. I was like, you mean video that I
Speaker 1: shot an hour and edited in my apartment by myself
Speaker 1: on my iPhone And they're like, wait, you did that yourself.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah. They're like, oh my god, it's hysterical.
Speaker 1: And they were like you could hear everyone in the
Speaker 1: background just like screaming, and they're like, we love you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so funny. I was like, oh, thanks.
Speaker 1: And then my friend he said he brought it into
Speaker 1: the world of wondering I guess rude team and he
Speaker 1: said he'd never seen her get so quiet, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what about this? What about Shaquida? And he said she
Speaker 1: just turned into uh, what's that movie? Devil Worse Product?
Speaker 1: And she was like no next and that was it.
Speaker 1: And so I've never tried again. And in fact, the
Speaker 1: casting people emailed me and they're like, are you going
Speaker 1: to audition again? And it's like, um, you know again,
Speaker 1: but no, they're so the casting people have no idea
Speaker 1: about or they don't know why. So they're obviously they
Speaker 1: liked it and they don't understand what's so like, are
Speaker 1: you going to audition again? And I explained to them
Speaker 1: as like, um, I don't think ru wants been the show.
Speaker 1: So this is the thing. Everyone thinks that I'm angry
Speaker 1: at that or I'm piste off at rue Haul, and
Speaker 1: the truth is I'm actually not. I believe it's her show,
Speaker 1: her rules. There's no reason to be mad at someone
Speaker 1: for not wanting to book you for their show. That's Hubris,
Speaker 1: it's her. I wish everybody could have that grace. It's
Speaker 1: not grace, it's common sense. It's her show, but she
Speaker 1: should have the right to book whoever she wants. And
Speaker 1: also she doesn't want you, like why would you even
Speaker 1: want to be on that show? Like I I would never.
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't recent because it's like you don't want me,
Speaker 1: why am I? Obviously it's a national platform and it's
Speaker 1: great for great for anyone's you know. You see you
Speaker 1: see these queens go from like having having like two
Speaker 1: thousand followers to two hundred thousand followers. They're announced, and
Speaker 1: that's great. That only gets you more opportunities. The show
Speaker 1: can bring more opportunities, But at the same time, if
Speaker 1: it's not meant to be, it's not meant to me.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I was watching the episode. Um and actually
Speaker 1: my husband watches it more than I do because I'm
Speaker 1: I always have to like do my makeup when the
Speaker 1: show is on, so I don't get to watch it
Speaker 1: in real time. UM. But I remember hearing, uh Michelle
Speaker 1: Vissage say to Mayhem Miller that you know the universe. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't remember how she says it, but basically, like
Speaker 1: when it's supposed to happen, it will happen. Um, just
Speaker 1: don't force it. And you know, as I said, everyone
Speaker 1: always thinks there's beef between me and RuPaul and RuPaul
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, I don't know what happened
Speaker 1: or what you heard. Um. I have no idea what happened.
Speaker 1: There's literally nothing in my mind that could have happened.
Speaker 1: The last time ru and I were in a room
Speaker 1: together sitting together was in my apartment. UM, and I
Speaker 1: don't remember anything happening then other than she just ignored
Speaker 1: me the entire time. UM. So maybe it's something on her,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's something she heard. You know, rumors go around.
Speaker 1: Actually there's a huge rumor going around the city. Let
Speaker 1: me clarify I am not on Drag Race Season eleven. Okay, okay, everybody.
Speaker 1: Literally my boss is calling me and it's like, now,
Speaker 1: I think it's a little shady that you're about to
Speaker 1: leave God and you're not telling me. I was like,
Speaker 1: telling you what it's like. Everyone's telling me that you're
Speaker 1: on Drag Race season level. I was like, well everyone
Speaker 1: but me, Yeah, I don't know about it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kidnap you. Speculating doesn't do any good. But
Speaker 1: I my immediate reaction like thought of that as like maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, like, um, I remember my when I was
Speaker 1: dating my boyfriend, he had a friend that was kind
Speaker 1: of similar to me of like the quirky, curly hair,
Speaker 1: like funny chick and and I and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was like weird towards her because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: there's already one of her and we're similar, So I
Speaker 1: don't want, you know, I like I would competition perhaps, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like that personality competition maybe, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: when we take up the same spot. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well no, I mean, you know, I I joking. We
Speaker 1: always uh call myself rue poor, you know, when people
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, you look just like RuPaul.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, on a budget. They don't have that
Speaker 1: kind of money. Yeah, And you know, I'm quite aware,
Speaker 1: of course, everyone always makes the comparison. You know, she's tall,
Speaker 1: thin and black and has blonde hair. I'm tall and
Speaker 1: black and blonde hair. But we're you know, and I
Speaker 1: get that. You know, when I wore black hair, people like,
Speaker 1: I'm god, nay, I'm a Campbell. When I wear blonde hair,
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, people want, people need a reference,
Speaker 1: and um, it's not a bad reference to be considered
Speaker 1: RuPaul or you know when people are like, oh, the
Speaker 1: next RuPaul, I'm like, I'm not the next I'm just
Speaker 1: you know. So And as I said, I totally get it.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to deny that. I that everyone sees it.
Speaker 1: And I mean I I see it too. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: see a picture of RuPaul. I was actually going through
Speaker 1: Instagram and I saw a picture. I was like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: what did I take that picture? Yeah, but it's yeah
Speaker 1: to to everyone that wants to start the trauma and
Speaker 1: wants there to be drama. I am so happy for
Speaker 1: every single queen that gets on that show. I am
Speaker 1: what I hope is that they're able to use that
Speaker 1: platform and make something great of themselves. Because when every
Speaker 1: when any drag queen becomes great, it makes it better
Speaker 1: for every drag queen. So you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you see a queen like Bianca Arrio who is like
Speaker 1: blazing the trail of like how to do it professionally,
Speaker 1: Like you get off the show and then you go
Speaker 1: directly on tour, you you don't waste time. You don't. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take six months to find myself. You should
Speaker 1: have found yourself before we got on a show, because
Speaker 1: you should know. It's so odd to me though, that
Speaker 1: people don't understand that you're about to become You're about
Speaker 1: to be a national television And I mean I've had
Speaker 1: queens from that show after the show is finished rapping
Speaker 1: two days before the premier party or their name gets
Speaker 1: announced there, like can you do a mix for me?
Speaker 1: I have a show to do. I'm like you what, No, girl,
Speaker 1: I would be like developing that mix for months before.
Speaker 1: So it's it's odd. And the thing is that show
Speaker 1: does not really promote performers more it promotes looks. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's a show in New York called Look queen,
Speaker 1: and I think I think RuPaul's Drag Queen is more
Speaker 1: a look queen show at this point. Obviously because of
Speaker 1: music rights, you can't get all the music rights. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine if a drag queen is like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do my five minute mix of all these songs intensive.
Speaker 1: So the way this show is structured, you could be
Speaker 1: a look queen and make it to the top without
Speaker 1: actually being a performer. And it does happen. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, and this is no shade, Everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna think it's so shady. But I think someone like
Speaker 1: Violet Choti has amazing looks and she want drag race
Speaker 1: and she's stunning, Um, but she's not a performer, like
Speaker 1: not a theater queen. I think you have to have
Speaker 1: some kind of theater background or an idea. When you're
Speaker 1: done with the show. You need a you need you
Speaker 1: need a gimmick, you need something to sell. And to
Speaker 1: have a look is great, but how else how can
Speaker 1: you market that? And I think you know, people like
Speaker 1: Miss Fame, who has used her makeup skills to go
Speaker 1: on and market that into the makeup world is great. Um,
Speaker 1: But well, I think to each queen, any queen that's
Speaker 1: about to get on the show, Um, just think ahead
Speaker 1: of what you you can do after the show. How
Speaker 1: once you get on that platform, you can use that
Speaker 1: platform as a springboard for the rest of your career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yes, Um, is there anything? Um? I was as,
Speaker 1: do you have a final question? Because I hadn't wanted
Speaker 1: My final question was just the largest my penis were. OK,
Speaker 1: but we were just we were we were at the finale,
Speaker 1: uh for the season of drag Wars, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the week before or the couple of weeks before to
Speaker 1: get to the semifinals. Obviously, like votes counted on getting
Speaker 1: people to the top, and we got our friend Vicky
Speaker 1: de Ville to the top. But then the ultimate you know,
Speaker 1: decision was left up to you and we were we
Speaker 1: were worried about like the chances that a bio queen
Speaker 1: had at winning the competition. And then there's some conflict
Speaker 1: like is this fair whatever? So what were your thoughts
Speaker 1: or and that at all going to choosing because I
Speaker 1: heard you like choosing your words kind of like so
Speaker 1: for people to be open minded, because I'm sure there's chatter,
Speaker 1: as there always is, so I don't know if you've noticed, Um,
Speaker 1: I have stopped using the term bio queen. Okay, I
Speaker 1: just call them drag queens. Well exactly, I mean that
Speaker 1: it's like female comedian. It's annoying because it's just like
Speaker 1: we're just coming to me. So, you know, in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I was, so, I have another friend who's also a
Speaker 1: drag queen, um bio queen. Uh. And she asked me originally,
Speaker 1: she was like, can I do drag Wars? And I
Speaker 1: said no to her, not because she was a female
Speaker 1: doing drag, because she was my friend, right, and I
Speaker 1: wanted the show to always seem fair and not to
Speaker 1: be like she's winning because she's Tequida's friend and she's
Speaker 1: hanging out with Queen and she's hanging out Sequida's apartment. Um.
Speaker 1: And so when all these bio queens for you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm just using this term, not not that it's
Speaker 1: a term I used anymore. Um, when these bio queens
Speaker 1: started coming, Um, yes, I use a term bio queen
Speaker 1: so people would understand that, oh, this is a woman
Speaker 1: doing drag. And I think you know, you know, if
Speaker 1: you are going to want change, if you're going to
Speaker 1: um want people to accept you. If you're going to
Speaker 1: want progression, progression in the world, you have to be progressive.
Speaker 1: So when drag started, drag was sort of a fuck
Speaker 1: you to gender. It was a gender fuck thing. I
Speaker 1: was saying, Oh, fuck you to this. I can do this.
Speaker 1: I can dress up in a woman's clothing. You know,
Speaker 1: drag comes from the world. You know, dressed resembling a girl.
Speaker 1: Um from the Shakespeare. Yo didn't, sorry, drag d r
Speaker 1: ag dressed resembling a um. But now I think, just
Speaker 1: as just as marriage, the marriage has evolved to not
Speaker 1: just be a man and a woman. It's now a
Speaker 1: man and a man or a girl and a girl. Um,
Speaker 1: you have to do the same for for drag. And
Speaker 1: drag should be if you want to entertain, if you
Speaker 1: want to put on you know, crazy makeup, and if
Speaker 1: you want to walk on stage and entertain in the
Speaker 1: guise of drag. It should not matter whether you have
Speaker 1: a penis or a vagina. What should matter is how
Speaker 1: you entertain and if you can move me and provoke
Speaker 1: me and gag me, whether you have a vagina or penis,
Speaker 1: you deserve to win. So I think in this new
Speaker 1: world we live in where we want to accept all
Speaker 1: kinds of people. You want you you know, you want
Speaker 1: to accept black drag queens, white drag queens, drag drag,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's so funny. I know there was
Speaker 1: controversy with the whole RuPaul not having transgendered people, um,
Speaker 1: and but I think it's kind of funny that she
Speaker 1: always says we're all born naked and the rest is drag,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't when you're born naked. She didn't say
Speaker 1: we're all born naked with a penis. We're all born naked.
Speaker 1: So if you're born naked with a vaginal or a
Speaker 1: dick or something in between, whatever, you're born naked. If
Speaker 1: you whatever you put on your body is dragon. Drag
Speaker 1: can come in any guys, And for me and for
Speaker 1: drag Wars a competition, which is a performance based competition.
Speaker 1: If you're entertaining, if you're doing a great show and
Speaker 1: you're making me gag, making me laugh, provoking me, making
Speaker 1: me making you know, making the audience have a great time,
Speaker 1: then you've done your job. So you know, I once
Speaker 1: had a guy, uh curse me out because he was like,
Speaker 1: you always say that drag is whatever, and I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: but their standards. You weren't entertaining, you aren't trying, you
Speaker 1: were boring. It was a guy he showed up in
Speaker 1: like a g string, sorry, a black jockstrap and that
Speaker 1: was it, a black jockstrap. And I was like, where's
Speaker 1: the drag, where's the drag? What? What is the gagger?
Speaker 1: What is is something going to happen? Is there butterfly
Speaker 1: is going to come out of your jockstrappers? And he
Speaker 1: just flopped around on stage like to a five minute
Speaker 1: number and I cut it off. Yeah, because I cut
Speaker 1: it off after like four minutes. I faded it out
Speaker 1: because we had like seventeen queens and he went outside
Speaker 1: and cursed me out. He's like, who's that fat old
Speaker 1: drag queen? She can't get on Drag Race anyway. Fucker
Speaker 1: that nigger. And I was like oh, and then he
Speaker 1: he subsequently sent me a message and apologizes like I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. I didn't know who you were, and I
Speaker 1: said it shouldn't matter. I was like, should speak to anybody,
Speaker 1: and when you come to someone's show, you should know
Speaker 1: who the Fox show you coming to. Hell. Yeahstablishing an
Speaker 1: amazing environment and that it's both accepting and anything goes
Speaker 1: but not coddling. And I loved at the end of
Speaker 1: the last Drag Wars where you were saying, no one
Speaker 1: is going to be honest with you, and so the
Speaker 1: judges of his competition, We're gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Your makeup needs to be softer. You have a very
Speaker 1: masculine face softened enough, And I just love that. That's
Speaker 1: such a great rare. No one and no one will
Speaker 1: of people when you go out in drag. Everyone's gonna be,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you look selfier. It's gonna take a picture.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna be like, girl, you have a wonky eyelash.
Speaker 1: That's gonna help you better. And you know, like my
Speaker 1: grandmother was the one who said, my best friend is
Speaker 1: the one who told me that I had something in
Speaker 1: my teeth when I was walking around the whole time,
Speaker 1: and no one said it because no one wanted to
Speaker 1: embarrass me. My best friend is like, girl, pull me,
Speaker 1: pull her aside, like you have something in your teeth.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what a friend should do. And that's
Speaker 1: what I want to be to the next generation. I
Speaker 1: want to be that friend that I never had when
Speaker 1: I started drag. No one we didn't have YouTube. I
Speaker 1: had to learn everything myself. UM. No one wanted to
Speaker 1: teach me because they for some reason, people always thought
Speaker 1: that I was rich people because I worked my ass
Speaker 1: off to make sure that my costumes always looked good.
Speaker 1: They were clean, they were well know, well put together.
Speaker 1: So people were just like, oh, she she had she
Speaker 1: had someone by that for her, or she had a
Speaker 1: sugar daddy, or she's rich. And I'm just like, no,
Speaker 1: when you're out drinking and carrying on and drugging and partying,
Speaker 1: I am at home stitching and bitching and crying. You know,
Speaker 1: I put in the work so perfect. Note to end.
Speaker 1: Where can we find you on social media? And realize
Speaker 1: on on social media squida hall um s h e
Speaker 1: q u I d a uh and on Facebook, Sequi
Speaker 1: hall on Twitter, squid hall. I do Thursday nights at
Speaker 1: Hardware Bar, which is my home bar. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: I I host an MC drag Brunch and produced Drag
Speaker 1: Brunch every Sunday at the Highline Ballroom. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: of course I host and produced drag Wars UH drag
Speaker 1: Wars TNNG the Next Generation every Monday at pieces um
Speaker 1: and for any queen uh. Simply show up by nine
Speaker 1: thirty with your music, uh and give it to the
Speaker 1: d The one thing I ask is show up with
Speaker 1: respect for the audience and respect for all the queens.
Speaker 1: If you are a cunt, if you know you're a cunt,
Speaker 1: if you know your bitch, do not come to drag Wars.
Speaker 1: You will be shown the door. So come with respect,
Speaker 1: coming with humility, and come with the fierceness. That's all
Speaker 1: we ask of drag Wars. Um. And then I start
Speaker 1: my Friday night show on Far Island. We do a preview.
Speaker 1: We do oh, this is, by the way, also a
Speaker 1: first this is also a first announcement. We start the
Speaker 1: preview ma uh, and it's called Muscle Queen. It's every
Speaker 1: Friday night at the pavilion. So the preview is the
Speaker 1: twenty five and then we start after is it Labor Day?
Speaker 1: Is Labor Day June? Or is that Memorial Memorial Summer? Okay,
Speaker 1: so Memorial Day, uh, the last weekend in June. We
Speaker 1: start the weekly run at the pavilion, Muscle Queen every
Speaker 1: Friday night, but more of Memorial Day weekends the last
Speaker 1: weekend in May. Oh, so it's just nothing Memorial days.
Speaker 1: So then we start so we start Memorial Day the
Speaker 1: last so then we start, so that we start I
Speaker 1: think it was usually we start the run the last
Speaker 1: Friday in June. I'm a drag queen. There's no special weekends.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Sorry. I'm gonna make my special weekends. It's
Speaker 1: your weekend. It's queen weekends. So if you're on fire Outland,
Speaker 1: come to Muscle Queen Friday night before the under Party. Awesome,
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