Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors, whether you have frown lines, cruise feet,
Speaker 1: or a face that is uncannily plump and baby smooth,
Speaker 1: we'd like to welcome you to the show. My name
Speaker 1: is Ben, my name is Nolan. Ben. I couldn't help,
Speaker 1: but notice you got a little bag and sag and
Speaker 1: action going on under those eyes. They're gonna shoot some
Speaker 1: sausage poison up in there to help. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: appreciate using it by its real name. I'm going from
Speaker 1: more of like a haggard investigator, dangerous cop on, you know,
Speaker 1: off the res I'm doing like a Serpico thing. I'm
Speaker 1: working up toward it. But it's true. I don't know
Speaker 1: if everybody noticed what Noel just said. You called the
Speaker 1: sausage poisons. Sausage poison. My friend have a I have
Speaker 1: a syringe of it right here on the ready. No,
Speaker 1: riddle me, riddle me this, Noel, before you stabbed me
Speaker 1: in the face with this. Where's this sausage poison thing
Speaker 1: coming from? Is there another name for that, the sausage
Speaker 1: poison Party? I would buy that outlets. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: sounds like fun. Yeah, well no, it's it's it's, you know,
Speaker 1: a sausage poisoned by any other name is still sausage poison.
Speaker 1: But we know and love it today as a little
Speaker 1: thing called botox that has taken the fashion and celebrity
Speaker 1: world by storm. I'm gonna tell you about something that
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about our air, but it really creeped
Speaker 1: me out, and I'm gonna keep the names out of
Speaker 1: it out of respect for these people. So I know
Speaker 1: someone who's a dude in his early twenties who has
Speaker 1: had multiple botox injections? Is it Jonathan Strickland? It is?
Speaker 1: It is? I don't know if it's I don't think
Speaker 1: it's Jonathan though. Um I don't know of anybody any
Speaker 1: of our coworkers who are botox fans. But it is
Speaker 1: an increasingly uh common procedure, right and it's it used
Speaker 1: to be something that people would just most Americans would
Speaker 1: just hear about on television. But now that you know,
Speaker 1: when I learned that this this guy know is getting
Speaker 1: botox injections in his early twenties, no, and he says
Speaker 1: he has to have them, it hit me how common
Speaker 1: this procedure is becoming. And just you know, disclaiming right
Speaker 1: up front, utterly, no shade do do what you want
Speaker 1: to do, do what makes you feel good. It's your body.
Speaker 1: It's totally your body. But yeah, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: the fashion and world of celebrity was taken by storm,
Speaker 1: but it is totally trickled down to us. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know every day folk. And like there are botox parties
Speaker 1: you can have, Like people will go to gym's and
Speaker 1: set up a little botox station because it's an easy,
Speaker 1: little quick procedure. It's the ends that's loaded with this
Speaker 1: stuff that is a processed form of a bacteria that
Speaker 1: actually gives you botuli is um. And we talked about
Speaker 1: sausage poison because, as it turns out, the guy that
Speaker 1: discovered this stuff found it in a batch of bad
Speaker 1: blood sausages in Germany in the early eighteen hundreds. That's right.
Speaker 1: We can trace the success and prevalence of what it's
Speaker 1: called botox today to the discovery made by this physician,
Speaker 1: Justinus Kerner, who, as Noel said, encountered a batch of
Speaker 1: dangerous sausage sausage gone wrong in the early eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: What Kerner discovered, specifically were the spores of something called
Speaker 1: Clostridium boche linum microbes. Yeah, and as it turns out,
Speaker 1: there were multiple strains of it that were discovered, one
Speaker 1: in particular as what has become used widely as botox,
Speaker 1: because it has the property of relaxing muscles. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you have these lines in your face and then
Speaker 1: you inject the stuff, it relaxes the muscle and causes
Speaker 1: the lines to kind of disappear. And it's interesting because
Speaker 1: this scientist, as was sort of practiced in the day,
Speaker 1: he didn't have anybody to try this stuff out on,
Speaker 1: so he just shot himself up with it. It literally
Speaker 1: like a thing that he knew was was was poisoning,
Speaker 1: sickening people. He just decided, well, well maybe this might
Speaker 1: find something interesting out here, and he started injecting it
Speaker 1: in himself and he discovered some pretty interesting properties, right,
Speaker 1: And we do have to see in Kerner's defense, his
Speaker 1: bona fides come thus lee before he experimented on himself.
Speaker 1: He this is a quote from our friend Laurie L. Dove.
Speaker 1: He rigorously tested hundreds of sausages to find these different
Speaker 1: varieties of botulism toxin, and it turns out that it
Speaker 1: was pretty common to have dodgy sausage in Germany at
Speaker 1: this time because there were you know, lower standards of
Speaker 1: food safety, to be honest, and eventually this led to
Speaker 1: something that sounds hilarious but is tragic and real, which
Speaker 1: was you know, scores of people dying due to sausage
Speaker 1: poison outbreaks. That inspired Kurner. He worked himself up to
Speaker 1: self experimentation, which sounds so crazy today, but you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: and he discovered it had this muscle relaxing effect that
Speaker 1: you have mentioned, and that it was not fatal, and
Speaker 1: that it could alter appearance to a degree that's right.
Speaker 1: In addition to that muscle relaxing effect, it also could
Speaker 1: cause vision problems, problems swallowing, vomiting, and and severe weakness
Speaker 1: of muscles when just you know, used directly or experienced
Speaker 1: ingesting it through the tainted food. And Kerner actually came
Speaker 1: up with a pretty clever name for the stuff. He
Speaker 1: called it divorced Gifts, which means sausage poison, but I
Speaker 1: think it as a sausage present. There we go, There
Speaker 1: we go. But then the evolution of botox applications continues
Speaker 1: for for decades, right, and there's a big breakthrough about
Speaker 1: seventy years after Kerner also involved tainted food. In this case,
Speaker 1: it was a bespoiled ham that was brought to a funeral.
Speaker 1: Talking about adding insult to injury. Uh, some people died,
Speaker 1: actually three people died and twenty three people were paralyzed
Speaker 1: by this tainted ham. And a doctor by the name
Speaker 1: of Emil Pierre van Airmingham of Belgium had to investigate
Speaker 1: this botulis um outbreak. And it's interesting he actually studied
Speaker 1: under Robert Coke, Dr Robert Coke, who found out about
Speaker 1: anthrax and tuberculosis and call bacterial cause the bacterial causes exactly.
Speaker 1: And Airmingham was able to make the connection between bacul
Speaker 1: is um and that spore we talked about um that
Speaker 1: he called Bacillus baculinus um and it was later renamed
Speaker 1: claus Stridium baculinum. And this is a watershed moment for
Speaker 1: this science because in the years afterwards, people were able
Speaker 1: to identify more strains of bachulenium tocsin, eventually arriving at
Speaker 1: seven total, four of which could actually cause illness and
Speaker 1: human beings. That's right, and um, we're getting some of
Speaker 1: this info from a great article on NBC News called
Speaker 1: Frozen in Time Botox. Over the years from bad sausage
Speaker 1: to brow raise their poisonous path. Two. Pretty, that is
Speaker 1: some good alliterations. Good. It's neat though too, because as
Speaker 1: we move into the forties and World War two, were
Speaker 1: experimenting with this stuff as like a serious chemical weapon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: According to a two thousand four article in Clinical Medicine
Speaker 1: by the It's the Journal of the Royal College of
Speaker 1: Physicians in London, there was a plan on the U
Speaker 1: S side to have Chinese sex workers slip tiny pills
Speaker 1: into the food or drink of high ranking Japanese officers
Speaker 1: in the hope that this would prove fatal. They got
Speaker 1: far enough to actually make the capsules, but they never
Speaker 1: put it into action. But yeah, as Noel said, they
Speaker 1: were actively planning to weaponize it. And now you know,
Speaker 1: you can have a party and put a version of
Speaker 1: it in your face. And that stuff you put in
Speaker 1: your face is the boculnium talks and type A because
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies the research into that in
Speaker 1: particular was accelerated and it was meant to help with
Speaker 1: muscle disorders. Um there was a doctor by the name
Speaker 1: of Alan B. Scott of the Smith kettle Well I
Speaker 1: Research Foundation in San Francisco, who did animal studies with
Speaker 1: that type A, and he hypothesized that you could actually
Speaker 1: use this stuff to help cure people who had crossed
Speaker 1: eyes A cross eyed people who were cross eyed. There's
Speaker 1: an official name for that. It is called strabismus. I
Speaker 1: was not aware of that um and it is a
Speaker 1: type of quote ophthalmic dystonia. And they found that when
Speaker 1: injecting this stuff into the muscles around the afflicted eyes,
Speaker 1: it loosened them up and caused them to go straight.
Speaker 1: So now we see the transformation from a poison in
Speaker 1: your sausage or your what was the phrasiest be spoiled
Speaker 1: ham I like that would UH to a weapon of
Speaker 1: war or would be a weapon of war to something
Speaker 1: that may it turns out have health benefits in Dr
Speaker 1: Alan Scott gets f D A approval to inject more,
Speaker 1: you know, to experiment on people with bagulenum toxin, and
Speaker 1: he trademarked it as Occulinum, and that was the name
Speaker 1: of the company that he incorporated with that pattern. And
Speaker 1: by the late eighties drug makers were paying attention. UH.
Speaker 1: A manufactur named Allergan purchased oculatum, or purchased rather let's
Speaker 1: be technical here, purchased the rights to distribute it, and
Speaker 1: then the f d A approved this not just for
Speaker 1: strabismus is Noel mentioned, but also for spasms of the
Speaker 1: eyelid muscle better known as bufaro spasms. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: long after Allergan acquired this serum that they also got
Speaker 1: approval from the FDA to change the name. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that was a thing. I guess it makes sense
Speaker 1: because he can't be you know. That's why the names
Speaker 1: of pharmaceuticals are often a little dull, because I think
Speaker 1: they have to have some aspect in them that ties
Speaker 1: to actual substance. It's the actual material that's in the
Speaker 1: in the product. Can't call things smile pills, exactly. And
Speaker 1: they changed it to botox, which was a fun portmanteau
Speaker 1: of bochy lineu toxin type A botox. Now here we are.
Speaker 1: We've gone through the discovery of this stuff, the application
Speaker 1: of it, and the various uses people tried to find
Speaker 1: for it that didn't quite work out, like a weapon
Speaker 1: of war. Again, thank goodness, we went with some health
Speaker 1: benefits instead, and very impressed good on you human species.
Speaker 1: So the big question that was how did we get
Speaker 1: from how do we get from this sausage poison to
Speaker 1: um a wring gold treatment? Right? It occurs in the
Speaker 1: nineties when a Canadian ophthalmologist named Dr Jan Carruthers notices
Speaker 1: that her patients with eye spasms are starting to lose
Speaker 1: their frown lines, which is, you know, a specific type
Speaker 1: of line on the face that comes with Adrian. Right,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, my goodness, Louise. Not only as you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not twitching an em all, you also have taken
Speaker 1: on a new youthful glow. And that's how people talk
Speaker 1: in the nineties in Canada. Yes, yes, these are accurate reenactments.
Speaker 1: And in Dr Caruther's along with her husband, who was
Speaker 1: a dermatologist, published a study that noted this sea bodlen um,
Speaker 1: a exotoxin, could be used to treat brow wrinkles, and
Speaker 1: they had no idea about how quickly the rest of
Speaker 1: the world would catch on, so dermatologists across North America
Speaker 1: took note in the United States as well. By botox
Speaker 1: used for wrinkles had spiked to the point that Canada
Speaker 1: ran out and people began to panic. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a pretty distinct memory of like
Speaker 1: when you started hearing about botox, and it wasn't for
Speaker 1: me anyway until the early two thousands. And that's because
Speaker 1: the f d A in the United States didn't give
Speaker 1: allergant approval to use botox for that application that the
Speaker 1: Canadians were so fond of already until two thousand two.
Speaker 1: And that's when they were able to get that approval
Speaker 1: for the temporary improvements of appearance of moderate to severe
Speaker 1: glabellar lines or those vertical frown lines between your brow
Speaker 1: that you know, folks are are are wont to to
Speaker 1: get rid of. You hear them called worry lines. Worry lines,
Speaker 1: and this is not only this is in men and women,
Speaker 1: um and they can start to form as early as
Speaker 1: like nineteen or twenty years old. This was a genuine
Speaker 1: treatment for something that a lot of people were very
Speaker 1: insecure about. You know, people wanted these wrinkles gone. And
Speaker 1: the f d A we keep issuing improval for different uses,
Speaker 1: and botox became amazingly popular. I think you and I
Speaker 1: and super producer Casey all remember the glut of advertising.
Speaker 1: Right it started to show up in fictional shows to
Speaker 1: somebody would get botox, right, you started to see advertisements
Speaker 1: for it in malls, in gyms, and it would be
Speaker 1: called the you know, the Beauty Secret and the health
Speaker 1: mags or the different lifestyle magazines, and then of course,
Speaker 1: inevitably knockoffs come into play, right, which leads to one
Speaker 1: of my favorite phrases that we found here. Photox that's
Speaker 1: rough is like baby laxative, like what. I don't know,
Speaker 1: But I am not a photox authority, thank goodness. But
Speaker 1: we do also have to caution against using some kind
Speaker 1: of thing like that. Did somebody make homegrown botuli is um?
Speaker 1: Did they just get the right kind of stuff to grow?
Speaker 1: Want some bad sausages to it in a petri dish
Speaker 1: and in their closet? That's that's not that's not a
Speaker 1: good look now, But a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: United States, a lot a lot of people did seem
Speaker 1: to think that botox was a good look. It spiked
Speaker 1: like seven hundred percent since the early two thousand's, according
Speaker 1: to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons. But that number
Speaker 1: is only tied to that cosmetic use. And we've already
Speaker 1: been through quite a few other uses for this toxin
Speaker 1: that are under review currently or actually in practice, and
Speaker 1: that includes the treatment of cerebral palsy, a condition that
Speaker 1: involves severely contracted muscles, so it makes sense that you
Speaker 1: could use this to ease those spasms. It also has
Speaker 1: success with easy muscle spasms from multiple sclerosis or and
Speaker 1: this surprised me treating migraines. But as with anything that
Speaker 1: you know, experience, is such a meteoric rise so quickly,
Speaker 1: there's there's a backlash sometimes, right and in that timeline
Speaker 1: on NBC, UM they talk about this botox backlash and
Speaker 1: uh terms you know, thrown around like poker face and
Speaker 1: joker face, and the idea that it's just a little
Speaker 1: too available and maybe people are doing it a little
Speaker 1: too willy nilly and not thinking about um, maybe some
Speaker 1: of the side effects, and even some celebrities that we're
Speaker 1: all about it are a little less willing to you know,
Speaker 1: come right out and say this is something that I do.
Speaker 1: So then I guess the question is also is this
Speaker 1: a fad, right or is this just society adjusting to
Speaker 1: this treatment. You know, we're not the kind of people
Speaker 1: who take pleasure in, you know, mocking other people are
Speaker 1: ridiculing their choices. As far as we're concerned anything. You
Speaker 1: speak for both of us here. If you're not hurting somebody,
Speaker 1: then do do as you will. You know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to bully anybody for making a choice about their
Speaker 1: body that made them feel comfortable, confident, et cetera. But
Speaker 1: it is strange, and I don't think most people know
Speaker 1: that this all goes back to one guy in the
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds who said, what's wrong with all this sausage? Yep?
Speaker 1: And that tainted tube? Meet Um, you know, is is big,
Speaker 1: big money. Despite this backlash we talked about, Allergan reported
Speaker 1: it in They finished with a seven percent rise in
Speaker 1: that revenues and that is attributed to three point nine
Speaker 1: billion in fourth quarter sales. Holy smokes. Well, I feel
Speaker 1: like it would be a little bit too personal question
Speaker 1: to ask, you know, you, Casey, if you would get
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, So I'll go out and say it.
Speaker 1: By the I think by the time that I am
Speaker 1: like elderly, I'll probably just be able to download myself
Speaker 1: into a robot or to get some sort of Crisper
Speaker 1: level genetic treatment. So I don't know how long the
Speaker 1: age of plastic surgery is going to exist. In general,
Speaker 1: I totally agree, Ben, I look forward to slash fear
Speaker 1: um when that day comes. I just want to rattle off,
Speaker 1: real quick a couple of the other products that Allergan
Speaker 1: Pedals called leading. Of course, the list is botox, followed
Speaker 1: by rest asses, oser, decks, lenses, very lar vi, Berzi,
Speaker 1: kibella ill. I think I've seen that commercial no idea?
Speaker 1: What it does? Uh? And low strength? Do you sound
Speaker 1: like if I'm living in some sort of humane Masters
Speaker 1: of the Universe world? This sounds like this is my
Speaker 1: traveling crew of adventurers Carilla lot come hi, see, I
Speaker 1: think it works. I know it's it's a tough job.
Speaker 1: Whenever I hear about naming cars or naming rugs, always
Speaker 1: think whose job is that? Who sits there and goes proton? No? Wait, Pretnica,
Speaker 1: you know that seems like a pretty sweet gig. If
Speaker 1: you have that job, please write to us and let
Speaker 1: us know if you're taking suggestions. What thither? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I think I I think I remember this noise? Do
Speaker 1: you remember this? Not a good noise? Okay, I guess
Speaker 1: it's time. It's time, gentlemen, Jonathan Strickland, the Quister, you've
Speaker 1: returned yet again. I am back I am back to
Speaker 1: quiz you on things that may or may not have happened.
Speaker 1: And of course, as we all know, it is your
Speaker 1: duty too, within the span of three minutes determined whether
Speaker 1: the nonsense I spout is real or if I just
Speaker 1: made it up. These tire of your game's quister too bad, know,
Speaker 1: for this has become a permanent segment sporadically throughout the
Speaker 1: course of this podcast. And so um, let's see, I
Speaker 1: gotta come up with an arbitrary rule. I know we're
Speaker 1: talking sausages today, are we not. Yes, So at the
Speaker 1: beginning of every question you have for me within the
Speaker 1: span of those three minutes, once the time it begins,
Speaker 1: you must proceed your request with please say, can I
Speaker 1: have some more? Okay? And we have to have to
Speaker 1: try and you need to twist your all other as
Speaker 1: hard as you can. Sounds painful, that's what That's what
Speaker 1: makes the voice so high pitched. This is going to
Speaker 1: be cartoonishly cockney. Yes, that's right. Well, it's because it's
Speaker 1: because the query I have, the quandary, if you will,
Speaker 1: the stuff what I might have made up all might
Speaker 1: be true, happens to be of English origin. Are you
Speaker 1: prepared to hear the scenario. We are repaired. All right,
Speaker 1: there's a fist bump happening right in front of me. Up.
Speaker 1: It's extremely insulting to do that on an audio podcast,
Speaker 1: but we will continue. Nonetheless, I will signal to you,
Speaker 1: Master Bolan, to pull the giant lever on our time
Speaker 1: keeping device, which, as we have previously established, takes up
Speaker 1: the entire back wall of this studio. Very expensive and
Speaker 1: most of the budget. All right, Yeah, it's a long one,
Speaker 1: so don't worry. I'll point to you when it's time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are getting longer each Listen. You left me with
Speaker 1: a lot of time on my hands to kind of
Speaker 1: put this together. And I mean, I'm I'm saying it's
Speaker 1: equal blame here. All right, let's get on with it.
Speaker 1: Here we go, mm hmm. In the UK, sausages are
Speaker 1: sometimes called bangers, as in the famous dish Bangers and mash.
Speaker 1: But why bangers? Well it is because, in the early
Speaker 1: nineteenth century, before English law forced s laughter houses oh wait,
Speaker 1: no sorry, slaughter houses to relocate far away from urban centers,
Speaker 1: the denizens of good old London Town could hear the
Speaker 1: sound of the abattoir workers striking livestock over the head
Speaker 1: with a blunt instrument in preparation for the slaughter. The
Speaker 1: sausages produced by the packing industry then took on the
Speaker 1: name bangers, and the nickname stuck even as the slaughter
Speaker 1: houses were forced to relocate further away by the mid
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, begin getting running started, WHOA, okay, we're going
Speaker 1: So I always just assumed that it was because sausages
Speaker 1: are like tied together and if you like walked with them,
Speaker 1: they would bang together. Well, you eat some crazy rock
Speaker 1: art sausages, you know, like you know, they come on
Speaker 1: like a string. You got a string of sausages and
Speaker 1: like if you you could sling them over your shoulder
Speaker 1: and as you walk they would bang together. Right, Bay said,
Speaker 1: more possible? Close enough, go ahead? Whatever? That was beautiful
Speaker 1: all right? So so in what time period did this occur?
Speaker 1: Early eight hundreds. By the mid eighteen hundreds, the UK
Speaker 1: passed laws that four slaughterhouses away from urban centers for
Speaker 1: cleanliness issues. Please may I have some more? You may
Speaker 1: know I don't have anything. Well, that's fine, consider yourself
Speaker 1: at home. I do. I am really I'm really tempted
Speaker 1: to say true. One thing that's making me question it
Speaker 1: is that it would be strange for the food manufacturers
Speaker 1: to use that name. I could see the street level.
Speaker 1: Oh it was. This was the nickname that people adopted
Speaker 1: for the sausages. It wasn't marketed as bankers. But why
Speaker 1: not call a steaka banger then, you know, or like
Speaker 1: a hot club track. Yeah, that's different. That wasn't until
Speaker 1: many many years later. That's what we call bangers now.
Speaker 1: It is like a really tight yea casey could have
Speaker 1: a gunshot in air horn. That is the best use
Speaker 1: for us. All right, so I I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hazard true. Really okay, what are you thinking? I'm thinking
Speaker 1: fause because I really do feel like the bangers is
Speaker 1: like that they bang together. So we shall we shall
Speaker 1: we flip for it. Rochambeau Rochambeau deathmatch. One to three
Speaker 1: shots and we're supposed to call out what what we
Speaker 1: what we shot? Okay? Okay? Ready? One two three? Buck? Sorry? Okay,
Speaker 1: you want you beat me? So you're going with We're
Speaker 1: going with true. We're locking it in right in a row.
Speaker 1: You have fallen to the massari of the Quizta roushambo
Speaker 1: always seems like such a good idea, But I really
Speaker 1: think we should talk these throughs. Col Mistress. Oh, it
Speaker 1: feels so good. I'm a little peeved at you, though, Ben,
Speaker 1: I got a second. That's I'm a little peeved to you.
Speaker 1: Why I feel like you should be better at rock
Speaker 1: paper scissors. We play it all the time. I I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in a big bowl of mashed potatoes. That's bangers
Speaker 1: and mash right there, my friend the potato. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a little peeved at me too. Would you like to
Speaker 1: hear where the term bangers really came from? Yes, it
Speaker 1: was a century later during World War One, which at
Speaker 1: the time they did not call World War One because
Speaker 1: they were optimists and just called the Great War. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't know there was going to be a sequel.
Speaker 1: No one had looked at the trailers. World War One,
Speaker 1: there was a meat shortage in the UK, and so
Speaker 1: sometimes the packers, the meat packers would make up the
Speaker 1: difference in the lack of meat with a little extra
Speaker 1: water content and sausages, which are of course tied off.
Speaker 1: In casings. You put a case for old with water,
Speaker 1: a water tight case on a hot surface, the water expands,
Speaker 1: sometimes causing the case to rupture. Resulting in a banging noise,
Speaker 1: and that is why they're called bangers, because they would
Speaker 1: like pop. Yes, it's from the popping noise. Well, so
Speaker 1: I was wrong too then, So I feel better now,
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't I did. I did say faults,
Speaker 1: but my explanation was not quite on. You never know. Also,
Speaker 1: just in case you are curious, the captive bolt pistol
Speaker 1: was invented in nineteen o three in Germany. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought. I didn't think it was a bolt pistol.
Speaker 1: I was picturing the hammer, right, No, I said blood instrument.
Speaker 1: That's why I specifically looked up when pistol. Well, it
Speaker 1: looks like now we are in a dead heat overall, right,
Speaker 1: because we are two for two, So the next one
Speaker 1: is going to be decisive for all the means. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait. But it's going to be another one about bodies. Look, man,
Speaker 1: we have sure, we have some trends here, but we've
Speaker 1: vary this show. We like that. You know, we just
Speaker 1: also did a great episode on vitamin donuts. That's true.
Speaker 1: I have no response to that, none at all. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for you to wrap this up so
Speaker 1: I can so I can leave, crawl back into your corner.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm so tired of this room. You've got
Speaker 1: a little palette here with like candles and stuff. That
Speaker 1: is how you read your fake history stories by candle light. Yes,
Speaker 1: I read my fake history stories by candle light. You've
Speaker 1: got a weather picture stuck up with a thumbtack. I
Speaker 1: think it's a dog from the fifties? Is that stock
Speaker 1: photography is my aunt? Okay, So on that note, let's
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