Speaker 1: Welcome to Guys We Fucked. Guys We Guys We Book.
Speaker 1: I'm Christina, I'm Karin. We're sorry about last night anti
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Speaker 1: another episode of Guys We Fuck. It's the anti slut
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Speaker 1: news update is actually kind of an update on something
Speaker 1: that we have talked about a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: There was the Sudanese teenager who killed her rapist husband
Speaker 1: and then was committed to a death sentence. But the
Speaker 1: death sentence has been lifted, So something good happen. I
Speaker 1: know a couple of people tweeted me about it because
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, we initially heard about this and
Speaker 1: the Guys We Fucked podcast. Uh, and that's amazing. She's
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. As a reminder, she was sentenced to
Speaker 1: death by hanging last month by an Islamic court after
Speaker 1: stabbing and killing her cousin, whom she said her other
Speaker 1: forced her to marry. So on Tuesday and appeals court
Speaker 1: commuted her sentence to five years in jail, which is
Speaker 1: still well, you know, not good, but I mean even
Speaker 1: in America sometimes stuff like that happens, like because you know,
Speaker 1: you really you still can't murder people, um, unless it's
Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment in jail instead and
Speaker 1: a fine of three hundred and thirty seven thousand, five
Speaker 1: hundred Sudanese pounds, which then they went put into British
Speaker 1: pounds and she has to pay a fine. I still
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. Yeah, she's she's going to
Speaker 1: earn money in jail. I mean technically in a one
Speaker 1: in American you can earn some kind of money in America.
Speaker 1: I don't know how Sudan. I don't really know how
Speaker 1: things work there, but I mean I'm guessing her family
Speaker 1: would probably or if she has a friend, I don't know, um,
Speaker 1: But anyway, so that is I mean, I know it's
Speaker 1: still not amazing, but it's a lot and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get hung and now you just got to spend five
Speaker 1: years in a prison. Yeah, and I take the five years,
Speaker 1: I guess, right. And I mean she was found guilty
Speaker 1: of a premeditated murder, which even if someone does rape
Speaker 1: you in America, you can't do that, So you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's that's a pretty I'll take
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Speaker 1: I mean the personal. This week we both saw Kathy
Speaker 1: Griffin at Carnegie Hall. She played two venues in New
Speaker 1: York City this week. One was Carnegie Hall and one
Speaker 1: Radio City. Radio City was first, but Carnegiate Hall was
Speaker 1: actually the first booked gig, so I was sold out.
Speaker 1: It was what I would call the super fans, like,
Speaker 1: it's very important for me if I love someone to
Speaker 1: be at their first show that they put online, because
Speaker 1: it shows like that we care more and also better people.
Speaker 1: But I love her, and I was so excited because
Speaker 1: I've seen have you seen Kathy Griffin live? I've never
Speaker 1: seen her live. I've seen her specials, okay, and I
Speaker 1: like I've been for her few years. This was at
Speaker 1: least the third time, if not more than that, that
Speaker 1: I've seen her live. She I saw a Broadway show.
Speaker 1: I saw her in another Theater in New York City.
Speaker 1: I might have even seen her outside of New York City.
Speaker 1: I love her. She's one of the reasons I started comedy.
Speaker 1: People are always like bad mouthing her, which I don't get.
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you just don't like someone or
Speaker 1: don't think they're funny, like, that's fine. But I love her,
Speaker 1: and I think, in my opinion, this was the best
Speaker 1: live performance I've ever seen. She did two and a
Speaker 1: half hours, and she told the entire story of what
Speaker 1: happened to her after she posted a picture holding up
Speaker 1: the Donald Trump mask with the ketchup dripping down. Um.
Speaker 1: She she went through a full FBI investigation, which I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think people know that. I also think
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the photographer said do you want this
Speaker 1: to go live? While during the photo shoot she said okay,
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, and then he sent it to tmzeh.
Speaker 1: And I also didn't know that the head of TMZ
Speaker 1: is like besties with Trump and that they talk policy,
Speaker 1: which is uh makes sense if you pay attention to
Speaker 1: the news and how it's going, but it's also disturbing
Speaker 1: to have the president be in cahoots with someone who
Speaker 1: controls like our celebrity because I think getting to people
Speaker 1: through celebrity and through gossipy news that we think is
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote harmless, is a very deceitful tactic.
Speaker 1: But it's but it's kind of it's kind of smart, um,
Speaker 1: not morally correct. It's it's it's snaky. Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting, and so I think it's like just
Speaker 1: a good reminder to like, just because something isn't about
Speaker 1: politics doesn't mean it's not about politics. Absolutely everything is
Speaker 1: always sprinkled with a little bias. She really Kathy Govern
Speaker 1: during that set, really told us a lot of ship
Speaker 1: I know, Oh my god. One of the interesting things
Speaker 1: that I really liked Jeff Zucker, who's CNN. She had
Speaker 1: been hosting New Year's Eve and it was a ninety
Speaker 1: minute program and they wanted to increase it from ninety
Speaker 1: minutes to four hours, and she did not have agents
Speaker 1: at the time, so she knew Jeff Zucker called him
Speaker 1: and said, Hey, if you're gonna do this, I want
Speaker 1: to raise and he was like, how dare you? Ask?
Speaker 1: How are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Whatever?
Speaker 1: Fired her. She called him back, crying and said, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll keep you on for the four hours instead of
Speaker 1: ninety minutes, and I'm gonna dock your pay by And
Speaker 1: then she went over how she got fired from pretty
Speaker 1: much every single thing after that photo was released, and
Speaker 1: then squatty potty sponsorship again just a big fuck you,
Speaker 1: totty fuck you. We sold so many squatt potties. Ironically
Speaker 1: from that great addy did yeah, hey, get a stool
Speaker 1: or a fucking stack of books, but so so this guy,
Speaker 1: this photographer that took this picture in Cathy's home sent
Speaker 1: it directly to the head of TMZ, and then that
Speaker 1: ship show happened, and then she got fired from everything.
Speaker 1: And then she talked about how Billy Bush, the Good
Speaker 1: Old look creepy fucking Oh. I mean, I would have
Speaker 1: thought he was a creep regardless of any of that tape,
Speaker 1: but he was in the tape if you don't remember,
Speaker 1: I understand, but where Donald Trump said he got to
Speaker 1: grab him by the pussy and Billy Bush was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you want. And then Billy Bush got fired
Speaker 1: from his network, but he got a nine million dollar
Speaker 1: severance package, and I was like, welln't that nice? Okay,
Speaker 1: Which one of these people actually did something terrible and
Speaker 1: it was him. Yeah, and the disparities of how much
Speaker 1: women get punished for things versus men getting punished, well,
Speaker 1: it was so much. It was so there was and
Speaker 1: it was also I love to hear like the only
Speaker 1: people who like stood by her, like Bett Miller stood
Speaker 1: by her, and there were so few people. And Amy Schumer,
Speaker 1: to her credit, stood by Hathy. She had a funny
Speaker 1: she was saying, basically how all these celebrities reach out
Speaker 1: to her and what she read. Billie Bush sent her
Speaker 1: a creepy ass, fucking weird letter. She read the letter,
Speaker 1: it was fucking hilarious. That man is an alien, he's
Speaker 1: a lizard person if they exist, and uh, and then
Speaker 1: it had from the Ryan Seacrest cloth though all those
Speaker 1: weird people, they just something's up with them and then
Speaker 1: their boss. When Cathy did the apology video, and she
Speaker 1: like was not she didn't wear any makeup or whatever,
Speaker 1: and but she was really close to the camera and
Speaker 1: I think she had said Amy center of videos, like
Speaker 1: your hair looks great or something right, or I think
Speaker 1: she said your hair looks terrible, terrible. Yes, why is
Speaker 1: your hair looks so shitty? It's just you know, it's
Speaker 1: always good. That was, and I think it's it's great,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's also another thing that I liked
Speaker 1: about it was she said that at the time, she
Speaker 1: was set to do some like book tours with Al Franken,
Speaker 1: and al Franken basically called her immediately and was like,
Speaker 1: I can't be associated with you any more. And then,
Speaker 1: you know, not too long after it's perfect scandal breaks
Speaker 1: and that's just it's I don't know, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's the fair weather friends thing. It's like
Speaker 1: people who stand by you when you're doing badly are
Speaker 1: the memorable ones. Rosy O'donnald was another one. Jim carry
Speaker 1: stood you're not even really friends, and she's like she
Speaker 1: just got a call from Jim Carrey that truly like
Speaker 1: made her day better. I loved everything about it and
Speaker 1: just like so you know, as a woman, as a fan,
Speaker 1: but then as a comedian, uh you know. Kathy basically
Speaker 1: explained like she had gone back to bed after this
Speaker 1: photo shoot and then all of a sudden she wakes
Speaker 1: up and she has all these text messages like I
Speaker 1: heard what happened? How are you holding up? And I
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, I have been through that, like
Speaker 1: anyone who said anything on social media, and then you
Speaker 1: wake up from like a fucking groggy nap and you're like,
Speaker 1: what is happening? It's just people love to attack others
Speaker 1: social media. I really do wish we could talk about
Speaker 1: the people shitty things that people do without the expectation
Speaker 1: that let's take all their things away, Like that's not
Speaker 1: And I think I've been thinking about this a lot.
Speaker 1: It's not a solution, and it's it's not effective, and
Speaker 1: it's and it's it's only going to do damage. And
Speaker 1: I but I people get on bandwagons, and I definitely
Speaker 1: think I forget what we when we talked about the
Speaker 1: Louis thing a long time ago before the New York
Speaker 1: Times to broke it. I forget what I wanted to
Speaker 1: look back and go back and listen to what I said.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like I was on this like bandwagon.
Speaker 1: He kind of like, yeah, fuck him, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: can we just talk about this for what it is.
Speaker 1: It was a shitty thing. Let's talk about it and
Speaker 1: maybe not do it. You don't got to take away
Speaker 1: all his career ship, Like you can't erase the fact
Speaker 1: that he's a great comedian and you can't and I
Speaker 1: just hate these extremes. I think it was also confusing
Speaker 1: at the time though, because that was kind of like
Speaker 1: the start of a lot of the meat too stuff,
Speaker 1: and then we didn't realize how bad things were going
Speaker 1: to yet and so there is some perspective now, you know,
Speaker 1: hindsight's always uh. But yeah, it's just been very interesting,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I know this is something we've talked
Speaker 1: about a lot. I think even later in this episode
Speaker 1: we talked about it. But just like everyone has something
Speaker 1: shitty in their past or in the pause and you know,
Speaker 1: goes into with John Ronson talks about all the time.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like the public shaming and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, And even when I saw Amy Schumer act
Speaker 1: in a way that I just thought was like completely crappy, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to mention this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: her her how she was a sister to Kathy Griffin,
Speaker 1: because it's like, yeah, no, I don't, I don't like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's she's really funny, and I still I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think differently of her now and that that's
Speaker 1: going to take a long time to go away. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we've all done garbage things. Oh
Speaker 1: I've done terrible Um. Anyway, okay, So on this week's episode,
Speaker 1: this is the last episode of our Pride. Oh you
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Speaker 1: on this, as I do with many other subjects. Thanks
Speaker 1: a lot. I would go, well, I can't move, I
Speaker 1: mean moving is a is a big ask. I was
Speaker 1: going to say uprooting and then going to a place
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Speaker 1: Love is it dead? I don't know, Uh you give
Speaker 1: your thoughts because I have only negative things to add. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like I think there is
Speaker 1: I I I was actually just talking about this with
Speaker 1: my mother over dinner before Kathy Griffin. I always do
Speaker 1: say it. You've probably heard me say it before in
Speaker 1: the podcast. Yes, I consider myself to be heterosexual, but
Speaker 1: maybe I just haven't found the woman who was my
Speaker 1: soulmate yet totally. And I think it's important to always
Speaker 1: be uh open to those and like if you feel
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Speaker 1: it's like I sometimes I think it's like the talk
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Speaker 1: not true. But I don't know, like on the Kinsey scale,
Speaker 1: i would say I'm like pretty heterosexual. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that does I've never seen a woman that I was
Speaker 1: not attracted to. I have kissed a woman one time
Speaker 1: in my life, years and years ago. Didn't do anything
Speaker 1: for me. But I mean maybe that will time will
Speaker 1: come again. But I mean unless you're truly feeling like
Speaker 1: these like urges, like homosexual urges, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: something that like your life will not be not be
Speaker 1: complete if you don't move and kiss a woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I will say I did, fine, I want.
Speaker 1: I took this girl out that I kind of know
Speaker 1: for drinks in and to discuss the possibility of having
Speaker 1: it through it with somebody. And she did say to me, hey,
Speaker 1: just so you know, like if you were ever interested,
Speaker 1: I'm by because I said, I consider myself straight, possibly
Speaker 1: by curious, but I don't know, not curious enough for
Speaker 1: me to label it that. And she said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I've never dated a woman either, and you know,
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna, you know, talk about doing this
Speaker 1: thing whatever. But if you were ever interested, I would go,
Speaker 1: I would date you. And I'm like, oh, you know what, sure,
Speaker 1: he said, you know what. I didn't say that to her,
Speaker 1: but I was like, okay. I was very flat. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, she's like this hot, sexy woman.
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels nice when people like you, and like,
Speaker 1: I think there's no thing wrong with being just like
Speaker 1: open to it. But I also don't think you have
Speaker 1: to go out of your way or like risk not
Speaker 1: I don't want to say risk, but like there's a
Speaker 1: difference between like, uh, fighting for what you know is true.
Speaker 1: Like if you're homosexual and you are being suffocated in
Speaker 1: a small town, yes you need to chase you need
Speaker 1: to chase that. But if you're just like maybe I
Speaker 1: want to like make out with a girl and I
Speaker 1: would like it, Like, I don't think you need to
Speaker 1: just your whole life to do that because and your
Speaker 1: four opportunities will arise and if you're meant to have
Speaker 1: a relationship with a woman later down the line, like
Speaker 1: it will certainly happen, especially at twenty. I don't think
Speaker 1: you have to force these things. And you can continue
Speaker 1: masturbating to you lesbian porn and enjoying it and you know,
Speaker 1: just following things as it goes. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't think you need to lead
Speaker 1: with your sexuality really at any point in your life.
Speaker 1: Um okay, So this week's guest, last of our Pride series.
Speaker 1: He's a very um not stereotypical gay man. You love them.
Speaker 1: We've had him on before, but we love him so
Speaker 1: much we invited him back on. He has a Netflix
Speaker 1: fifteen Minutes special coming out July three, in the fifteen
Speaker 1: minute series The Comedy Lineup. Please give a warm welcome
Speaker 1: to Damn Dillon. Hell them when I was skaking with
Speaker 1: a tea and the totop put up to the scene
Speaker 1: when I ran in, But the nigga fucking clean with
Speaker 1: us some magazine and tell him you whether was scaping
Speaker 1: with a teen and the dot top put it to
Speaker 1: the scene when I run and dirty put the nigga
Speaker 1: fucking clean with us, of course, Sands, and he put
Speaker 1: some magazine. He held them mean, but it for scape
Speaker 1: being with it dirty spright because it like the port
Speaker 1: of lean minute, Peter Tight. You like to smoke the green,
Speaker 1: but it bombing. Then they can miss the clean, but
Speaker 1: it and it's them. You need to let your month
Speaker 1: and so and the bitch that holds it down keep control.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta say twice he let them polls. No
Speaker 1: a week later about me on phone sticks and rolls
Speaker 1: go then the one and almost day. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me, ladies. I appreciate you allowed me
Speaker 1: to come back. This is only second time. I know.
Speaker 1: You don't repeat people usually it's an honor. John Wronson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I and John Campinelli, the great you. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know who they are people, but I'm very is
Speaker 1: John Wronson related to Samantha Ronson? I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I did google that one day. They are not because
Speaker 1: like that'd be fun. No, he's an author and also
Speaker 1: my celebrity crush. Okay, well, hey, I just you know.
Speaker 1: I'm honored to be here. I started comedy in two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten. This was one of the shows I
Speaker 1: wanted to get on. This was because it didn't exist yet,
Speaker 1: so I make it awkward pretty. I listened to this
Speaker 1: with my parents growing up when I was five. You
Speaker 1: look tearing away, you look very bad. Now we're talking
Speaker 1: about how you were saying our Republicans need to common
Speaker 1: fun down and that Roe V. Wade is now in
Speaker 1: the talks of We're gonna fucking make a little reverse
Speaker 1: e poo. Well, here's what they really care about human beings.
Speaker 1: The thing is this time we're in right now is
Speaker 1: bad for a lot of people. But it's also bad
Speaker 1: to be creative. It's really bad to be creative right
Speaker 1: now because you feel like you're like constrained by this
Speaker 1: need to have everything you're doing and saying message, have
Speaker 1: a message. And that's not really how good comedy happens.
Speaker 1: Funny needs to come first, and then you can also
Speaker 1: have a message in a perspective, and that's great. But
Speaker 1: if all you're doing you're trying to back into that
Speaker 1: funny with the perspective being first, you get a lot
Speaker 1: of what we see right now, which is a lot
Speaker 1: of very people having a lot of similar takes from
Speaker 1: it's very homogeneous. And that's what happened. And every day
Speaker 1: someone releases a new sex podcast, so well, you guys,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are the O G s and
Speaker 1: then everybody, you know, everybody's like that worked out, we
Speaker 1: want to do it? Yeah, Well, which is I like,
Speaker 1: I think it's the conversations that need to be happening.
Speaker 1: But it's like, Okay, put your funny onto it, right. Well,
Speaker 1: it's actually happy until Roseanne went ape shut on Twitter.
Speaker 1: No pun intended, uh that I was happy to see
Speaker 1: something with a different perspective on TV, because it's just
Speaker 1: I watched the same stuff and it's like, even though
Speaker 1: I do agree with a lot of these liberal views,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't. That's I want to see other things,
Speaker 1: other perspectives. Roseanne as a show was a good move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Rosanne personally is reckless. I mean we neveryone
Speaker 1: kind of knew that. I mean, like it's a show
Speaker 1: about white trash because she is white trash. She was not,
Speaker 1: she was not playing a character. Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: think that the somebody should have went and took her phone,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean literally, like they probably to us
Speaker 1: sit down with her and say, listen, let the show
Speaker 1: speak for itself. Yeah. I don't think everybody needs to
Speaker 1: have a public persona. I think that that we we
Speaker 1: everybody feels like they do they really do, right. I
Speaker 1: think for somebody like Roseianne, you got a show that
Speaker 1: people like you have millions of people watching it, say
Speaker 1: what you want to say through the show, and if
Speaker 1: you can't say it through the show, say it to
Speaker 1: your friends in your home that is a beautiful home.
Speaker 1: Do that. She must be getting something out of tweeting it, though, well,
Speaker 1: because it's the ego. But I'm like, don't you already
Speaker 1: have enough ego? You're Roseanne, You're a great comedian. Yes,
Speaker 1: come on, because I think Twitter is this uniquely dangerous
Speaker 1: thing because I think it's designed for it. Really, we
Speaker 1: like combat, That's what we like. We love watching fight videos.
Speaker 1: You know, it goes back to the Roman colisseum, people
Speaker 1: getting torn apart by animals and gladiators. Like, this is
Speaker 1: just what we're into. And now you know on Twitter
Speaker 1: it really those primal instincts that we have in all
Speaker 1: of us. This website, I mean, this app is just
Speaker 1: specifically designed to bring all of those out, so you
Speaker 1: and I think somebody like Rosanne, I think part of
Speaker 1: part of the joy of of of somebody like her
Speaker 1: being on Twitter is she knows that she's in a
Speaker 1: way driving the national conversation by what she's saying. It's
Speaker 1: there's an it's uniquely powerful to feel that with with
Speaker 1: with you know, However, many characters, what's the character limited
Speaker 1: mean forty? I think they increased that you can drive
Speaker 1: the national conversation with two sentences is hard to not have.
Speaker 1: It's a drug. It's like the Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 1: the Fellowship of the Ring. It's like, here's all this
Speaker 1: power in the palm of your hand. Now don't use
Speaker 1: it well. And it's like, and I've been I get that.
Speaker 1: That maics complete sense. Like I there's always an audience
Speaker 1: waiting for you. Correct. So if you're lonely and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting around, it's kind of not I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't get a Twitter following. I tweet all day.
Speaker 1: I love him. I can't get anyone. And then I'm like, funk, hitler,
Speaker 1: I go the other way. You know, no one care.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I have videos of
Speaker 1: me just punching toddlers in the face in Juice Generation.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. What a specific A
Speaker 1: lot of toddlers in Juice Generation New York reference that.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's like the Republicans right now have come into power.
Speaker 1: It's like if somebody took over a company and instead
Speaker 1: of having a meeting and going hey, guys, like I've
Speaker 1: been in companies where they've changed hands. Do you know,
Speaker 1: a new manager comes in whatever, and they come in,
Speaker 1: they go, hey, listen, we're gonna change the things. We
Speaker 1: will let you will know that you've been doing a
Speaker 1: good job and we hope to continue with you guys,
Speaker 1: and then you fire them quietly throughout the week, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The Trump's crew came in and
Speaker 1: they started throwing people out the window day one, without
Speaker 1: coming in and saying anything, without even saying I'm the
Speaker 1: new boss, No, no welcome email, just desks, chairs, people
Speaker 1: out the window. And of medicaid, immigration Roe v. Way.
Speaker 1: I mean, now the Supreme Court of these conservatives gloating
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go back They are literally saying we're
Speaker 1: gonna go back in time to take away gay marriage
Speaker 1: and Roe Vwight and listen, I am not a leftist,
Speaker 1: I'm not a Marxist. I believe capitalism is of a
Speaker 1: flawed system, but it has a value that should be preserved.
Speaker 1: And I think what we're in right now isn't capitalism.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of we have basically institutionalized criminality
Speaker 1: is a lot of people referred to as capitalism, which
Speaker 1: is why they're so sick of it. And I understand that.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the answer to that is government
Speaker 1: controls on every industry. I don't believe that. But as
Speaker 1: somebody who has conservatives, conservative views and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I've always believed the conservatism was also about temperance, about
Speaker 1: being relaxed, not about being, you know, an id logue
Speaker 1: in the sense. Now a lot of people agree with me,
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll point to the Christian right and everything,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. There's lots of examples that can disprove
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But to me personally, something about conservatism
Speaker 1: is not only political, it's temperamental. It's the idea that
Speaker 1: I'm you would think I'm suspect of wide sweeping changes
Speaker 1: that you're gonna make to society. I'm just suspect of them.
Speaker 1: I'm suspect of the government's ability to make me happy
Speaker 1: as a human being. I'm not saying they can't do it.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm cynical. I'm a single person. What I will believe,
Speaker 1: the evil that I know to me is in many
Speaker 1: cases worse than the evil that I don't know, And
Speaker 1: that's just the way I've kind of always felt, and
Speaker 1: that's probably where a lot of my conservatism kind of
Speaker 1: comes from, is that I'm skeptical of people that have that.
Speaker 1: Get on stage and I figured it all out, here's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, We're gonna make Yeah, well, it's
Speaker 1: also how do you know? And then I look back
Speaker 1: throughout history and I say, a lot of the greatest
Speaker 1: massacres and a lot of the greatest um you know,
Speaker 1: periods of where human rights have been suppressed, have been
Speaker 1: trying to usher in a utopia of some sort, trying
Speaker 1: to make everything equitable, trying to make everything fair that
Speaker 1: in many cases, in order to do that, the avenues
Speaker 1: to doing that, because if you believe that your end
Speaker 1: goal is a utopia, it's like, you know, paradise on Earth.
Speaker 1: What you can do to get there, what you can
Speaker 1: justify doing to get there, is amazing. So, but what
Speaker 1: are some examples of massacres that have occurred because people
Speaker 1: were trying to reach a utopia? I mean when people
Speaker 1: came to America and brought slaves, well, well, I mean
Speaker 1: that that they were like, we're going to build this
Speaker 1: land the Europeans that we're gonna kick everybody out who
Speaker 1: was already here, because you just look at the spread
Speaker 1: of communism. If you look at the spread of communism
Speaker 1: and you look at the promises initially made, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the countries that adopted that as a policy,
Speaker 1: obviously Russia, China, Mao's Revolution, the things that happened under Stalin,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people would argue that they weren't. No,
Speaker 1: that wasn't truly Marxism. It was some aberration, it was
Speaker 1: a version of Marxism, it was the dictatorship, it was whatever. No.
Speaker 1: I do believe that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a lot of that that
Speaker 1: ideology taken to its extreme, by the way, I mean,
Speaker 1: Hitler was trying to also create what he thought it
Speaker 1: was a US. Every utopia comes with a group being
Speaker 1: suppressed and being I was just curious to what specifically
Speaker 1: ones that you thought aligned with those are those that listen.
Speaker 1: I think any ideology taken to the extreme is a problem.
Speaker 1: And I think that what you're seeing right now when
Speaker 1: when you have conservatives drunk on their own power, a
Speaker 1: lot of those conservatives are drifting into ethno nationalist fascism
Speaker 1: and what does that mean? Basically there they are playing
Speaker 1: their own version of identity politics, and they're saying that
Speaker 1: white people own America, that America's for white people, it
Speaker 1: was designed for them, it was built by them, and
Speaker 1: that these people are they deserve some type of you know, homeland,
Speaker 1: and they're being persecuted and and and and that gets
Speaker 1: very dangerous. And they say that that intelligence is determined
Speaker 1: by genetics, and that there are different races of people
Speaker 1: with different you know, intellectual capabilities, and that that that then,
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of a precursor to, you know,
Speaker 1: than why are those people around right, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of conservatives just who've kind of been They're not they're truly, um,
Speaker 1: you know, they're reticent to embrace identity politics for people.
Speaker 1: And even though the identity politics again, I understand why
Speaker 1: that's happening. I don't condone it, I don't support it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a proponent of it, but I understand why
Speaker 1: it's happening. Because if everybody is going to see every
Speaker 1: issue through the lens of identity, I'm gay, I'm black,
Speaker 1: I'm trans, I'm a woman on this and that amazing
Speaker 1: white people are going to embrace that too, because that's
Speaker 1: what happens, That's what people do. That's exactly what people do.
Speaker 1: So I understand why that's happening. I understand why if
Speaker 1: somebody's broken in Ohio and they have no money, no job,
Speaker 1: and all they hear about all days they're white privilege.
Speaker 1: They're going to radicalize and they're going to unfortunately embrace
Speaker 1: a very dark and and and all that. Like the
Speaker 1: white privilege thing means is like, yes, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you I was reading this something about this the
Speaker 1: other day. It's like, white privilege doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 1: life is going to be great just because you're white.
Speaker 1: It means that you get to bypass these everyday instance
Speaker 1: as a concept. As a concept, I agree with that
Speaker 1: white people have had it a lot easier than any
Speaker 1: other minority in America. I think that is something that
Speaker 1: most intelligent people would agree with. But I do think
Speaker 1: there is a certain uh, you know, type of rhetoric
Speaker 1: that becomes it degenerates, I think, rather quickly into name calling.
Speaker 1: It's people that call each other names and refuse to
Speaker 1: debate issues. So if you're refusing to debate issues and
Speaker 1: just going white, privileged white no debate the issue, you
Speaker 1: might be right, But if you cannot debate people number one,
Speaker 1: all these people that say, oh, well, Milileonopolis has some
Speaker 1: important things, he shouldn't be in a college campus. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're not going to debate him in public, how
Speaker 1: will you expose him as a fraud? You can't just
Speaker 1: put a wallop in front of his face. And you
Speaker 1: think he's wrong, and you're so and you're so convinced,
Speaker 1: and I would agree with you on many of the
Speaker 1: things that he talks about. He's crazy. Debate him, prove
Speaker 1: him wrong, expose him as a fraud, and and then
Speaker 1: you know, that is what that is your that's what
Speaker 1: you kind of have to do otherwise to the nether
Speaker 1: reasons of the internet. And he grows a following, and
Speaker 1: part of his appeal is that they won't let me speak,
Speaker 1: They won't let you hear these ideas, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're driven to him by people's refusal
Speaker 1: to listen. So I agree with the you know, the
Speaker 1: idea that white people have had a lot easier, but
Speaker 1: I think the rhetoric that gets built around that a
Speaker 1: lot of times degenerates, And it's not people having productive
Speaker 1: conversations about issues. It's people trying to isolate other people
Speaker 1: and go, you don't get to have an opinion because
Speaker 1: your wife. And that's never gonna work. That it's never
Speaker 1: valid argument, it will never help an argument, and it
Speaker 1: will only make people clinging. But you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that's I did. That's the lens. So we're not
Speaker 1: allowed in the Ault Rights America anyway. No, you're not. Listen,
Speaker 1: We've had meetings. Correct, I'm going you know, I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Pigments not everything, it's not it's not. But no, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, man, And it's just like I just
Speaker 1: just chill out to conservatives, like listen, listen. Every day
Speaker 1: is like is like psychological terrorism, where you have like
Speaker 1: every day is like a new thing that they wanna
Speaker 1: you know, they want to do and they you know,
Speaker 1: you have this immigration, which is a complex issue, but
Speaker 1: at no point is it appropriate to cheer families getting separated,
Speaker 1: or to make memes about it, or to laugh about
Speaker 1: the kids in the detention centers. There is no humane
Speaker 1: way to do that. Well, humanity has been stripped from
Speaker 1: all of these arguments. Yeah, well, this is what happens,
Speaker 1: and I think this is you know, unfortunate and in
Speaker 1: comedy right now, I get was was complex issue your
Speaker 1: way of saying like, yeah, I do want to build
Speaker 1: the wall, but out of recycle materials or no. No,
Speaker 1: it's a complex because I mean there's I don't know,
Speaker 1: the wolves like this big symbolic that it's never gonna
Speaker 1: happen to try to get your kitchen model. Let's get
Speaker 1: ridiculous with all but no, I think America's should have
Speaker 1: immigrants come in. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you have these extremes, You have these really you have
Speaker 1: these on You have these people on one side to
Speaker 1: go no borders, no nations. That's of year where they
Speaker 1: just go And I'm like, well, you don't like the
Speaker 1: American government. You think we're corrupts, And now you're you're
Speaker 1: willing to say that whatever government will now govern the
Speaker 1: globe is going to be transparent and something that you
Speaker 1: know you agree with. So you need to have a border,
Speaker 1: you need to have security, and you need to have
Speaker 1: immigrants to be able to come in, and you know
Speaker 1: all of those things need to happen. These are you know,
Speaker 1: these are it's to just say that, like everyone should come.
Speaker 1: It's great, but you're personally not making any sacrifices for
Speaker 1: these people. There are state and local services to help people.
Speaker 1: Those services, you know, those are the things that really
Speaker 1: teachers these firefighters in these towns, in places like the
Speaker 1: people that are going to be absorbing the influx of immigrants.
Speaker 1: You have to take into account how many people can
Speaker 1: assimilate into a culture and a financial system, and there
Speaker 1: are people here that don't have jobs, and like, that's
Speaker 1: a complex issue, but it doesn't help when a lot
Speaker 1: of that issue is framed on one side by people
Speaker 1: that just saying, hey, no borders, no nations, we're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, and the other side of people that it's
Speaker 1: all based in racial resentment and they're like, Mexicans don't work.
Speaker 1: And you have all these white people being like Mexicans
Speaker 1: don't work, and you're like, what, what a Mexican person
Speaker 1: not working? I've never once legitimately seen a Mexican person
Speaker 1: not doing something productive and working their asshole. And I
Speaker 1: saw a tweet today where somebody's like, I I resent
Speaker 1: my ancestors being compared to the immigrants of today. My
Speaker 1: ancestors didn't show up to an industrialized nation for welfare benefits,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you are insinuating that the people that
Speaker 1: come from other countries don't work their fucking ass off.
Speaker 1: You are an idiot. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like people building up the world that they want
Speaker 1: to believe. They they think that something is right through
Speaker 1: a lack of whatever they're fucking lacking personally, and they
Speaker 1: just turn it outwards and they just they just make
Speaker 1: up ship. But also here's the other thing. The problem
Speaker 1: with the internet is like all these opinions that I
Speaker 1: have right now, too many people they'd be like, this
Speaker 1: seems reasonable, they seems rational. They don't get attention. That
Speaker 1: won't get attention. If I tweeted everything I just said about, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you need security, but you also need that no one cares. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us the middle ground fair, no audience entertaining. It's
Speaker 1: not entertaining. It's not you know, burning across on someone's lawn.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, the Jews run the banks. It's
Speaker 1: not you know, fuck white. It's like none of that.
Speaker 1: Which that is what catches fire on the internet. Negative
Speaker 1: things spreads so much faster than positive things online. You
Speaker 1: guys know that. H So that's the reality. That's where
Speaker 1: we're living in this fucking crazy world. So everybody's gotta
Speaker 1: throw the phones out, shut that, shut it down. But
Speaker 1: then why do you think people like Jordan like Jordan
Speaker 1: Peterson because everyone's up in arms about him. And then
Speaker 1: you know, we both went to see him speak and
Speaker 1: like nothing he said up was at all crazy. But
Speaker 1: but then I'm sitting there in this group of like
Speaker 1: mostly white dudes and I and then I was like,
Speaker 1: is some is am I missing something? Uh? Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 1: he's a famous Canadian professor that he a lot of
Speaker 1: feminists have issues with, a clinical psychologist. He wrote a book,
Speaker 1: you know, basically defending I think I think the thing
Speaker 1: that he does that that that that bothers people is Peterson.
Speaker 1: He's this little skinny old man, very well spoken, very intelligent,
Speaker 1: talks a lot about personal responsibility, talks about I think
Speaker 1: he's defending a lot of people view UM the west
Speaker 1: or the hierarchies, the patriarchy, any of that stuff. UM
Speaker 1: as these structures that are UM design specifically to oppress people.
Speaker 1: And I think Peterson has said there's examples of these
Speaker 1: things in nature all over the place. Hierarchies are not
Speaker 1: necessarily oppression, although they can be, they're not necessarily oppression.
Speaker 1: And a lot of them are based in some form
Speaker 1: of competence, people being better or smarter, faster, and stronger
Speaker 1: than you dominating you to some extent, because that's kind
Speaker 1: of the natural order of things. So he's kind of
Speaker 1: defending that. And I think the people that want to
Speaker 1: create those utopias or that see the you know, and
Speaker 1: some of them have a point where he talks about
Speaker 1: enforced monogamy. I think he uses words like that where
Speaker 1: he's he's simplifying a very complex argument. You have to
Speaker 1: really watch him speak for two or three hours. This
Speaker 1: is not a guy that twitter. It's gonna work. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to really listen to him, and you can
Speaker 1: still have agreement. I have friends and have principal disagreements
Speaker 1: with him. Some of the things he said I have said, well,
Speaker 1: I think he's saying that because he's more responding to
Speaker 1: the lunacy on the other side. This is the problem
Speaker 1: when everything's a binary, when everything's a binary and all
Speaker 1: knowledge is like weaponized, and you're in a war and
Speaker 1: the people against you where you're rending me some of
Speaker 1: the things that Pearson says. I'm like, well, he's being
Speaker 1: willfully obtuse because he has to, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, he is you know, none of this
Speaker 1: is happening on an island. He's fighting with people, as
Speaker 1: you said, he's in conflict with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't think you should be able
Speaker 1: to speak, and you know so I think. And he
Speaker 1: rose to prominence with the transgender pronoun issue, where he
Speaker 1: refused to he said, I don't want the government to
Speaker 1: be able to compel me to refer to somebody by
Speaker 1: the pronoun that they choose. I don't think compelled speech
Speaker 1: is a good idea. I think you head down a
Speaker 1: very slippery slope and it's a bad road. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, well, you're anti trans for that.
Speaker 1: How how was the government trying to compel him Canada
Speaker 1: called C sixteen. I think it would require you to
Speaker 1: refer to somebody by their chosen pronoun or you would
Speaker 1: face a fine and then potentially I guess if you
Speaker 1: failed to pay that fine, you can be jailed. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And the thing is like he's He's like, there's never
Speaker 1: been an instance where I didn't call someone by their
Speaker 1: preferred poneown. He's just saying that I don't think it
Speaker 1: should I should, if it should be legal, that I
Speaker 1: have to and I agree with that. You can't start
Speaker 1: doing that. And I was having a conversation with somebody
Speaker 1: about somebody who goes by they them, and we kept
Speaker 1: saying she, and then we're like, yeah, ship, I mean
Speaker 1: they it's fucking I mean, but it was not a malice.
Speaker 1: So I think I think what Peterson was basically saying
Speaker 1: is when you start to uh compel people to say
Speaker 1: certain things, when that becomes uh, you know, the prerogative
Speaker 1: of the government, it leads you down a dark road.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of historical examples
Speaker 1: of that. There are, you know, which he points to,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't like, and what like
Speaker 1: what well, I mean, in all of these in all
Speaker 1: of these countries, communist countries, things like that, you had
Speaker 1: not only laws that governed, you know, you had you
Speaker 1: had culture or laws, you know, Mau's Cultural Revolution, things
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I think that so if you're
Speaker 1: talking about if you're resistant to the idea of government control,
Speaker 1: if you're if that and I think for Peterson, he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's very you know, at his heart, he's
Speaker 1: you know, a free market guy in the sense, not
Speaker 1: free market in the sense, and he doesn't believe that
Speaker 1: there should be social safety now or whatever. But he
Speaker 1: he believes that governments that are successful protect freedoms of
Speaker 1: their citizens and try to maximize freedoms of their citizens
Speaker 1: to engage in the kind of speech that some might
Speaker 1: find distasteful and abhorrent, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he believes that you have to trust if all the
Speaker 1: ideas are out there, that people are going to make
Speaker 1: the right choice. You have to trust that. If you
Speaker 1: don't trust that, then you go down the other road,
Speaker 1: where you give a certain group of people in society
Speaker 1: the responsibility to regulate speech based on what they consider
Speaker 1: offensive and hateful. And Peterson's point is that the people
Speaker 1: who would do the regulating are the least are the
Speaker 1: people that you would least want doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: those are the people who you necessarily would not want
Speaker 1: regulation speech. So I think at heart he's somebody that
Speaker 1: that is sees a lot of these things as as
Speaker 1: the government infringing on personal freedom, and that that is
Speaker 1: a slippery slope that won't end. Then again again it's
Speaker 1: it's under the guys of compassion and it's under the guys.
Speaker 1: But what I think he sees, he sees that it
Speaker 1: has this rather pernicious effect of like, once you start
Speaker 1: limiting people's freedoms, you continue to do so. And um,
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's resistant to. So I think
Speaker 1: that was the speech issue for him and me and
Speaker 1: Karin saw him, and again, listen, I think the guy's
Speaker 1: very smart. It's boring. It gets boring. Well also a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff like so like people are so politically
Speaker 1: charged when I talk about him. But then I'm if
Speaker 1: you just like listen and you and you forget who
Speaker 1: he is and actually just listen to the words that
Speaker 1: he's saying, every heat thing he's saying. It's just the
Speaker 1: way I've mostly lived my life as far as like
Speaker 1: holding myself accountable, being productive, Like there was nothing because
Speaker 1: that is truly like on high alert for any crazy
Speaker 1: and I just wasn't hearing it. And I am continually
Speaker 1: confused as I watched him and read his work about
Speaker 1: like why people have such a problem with if you
Speaker 1: believe that all dominance hierarchies are by nature oppression. If
Speaker 1: you believe capitalism is exclusively a predatory system, if you
Speaker 1: believe that, you know, globalization, the free market, all of
Speaker 1: those things have only served for people to further become
Speaker 1: oppressed and enslaved. And if you believe those things, you
Speaker 1: have Number One, to believe those things, you have to
Speaker 1: ignore tremendous amounts of data, tremendous amounts of fact, tremendous
Speaker 1: amounts of points to people being lifted out of poverty
Speaker 1: by the millions, by the way, um, over the over this,
Speaker 1: over this period, um, through all over the world. UM.
Speaker 1: But if you believe those things, then Peterson giving a
Speaker 1: articulate defense of the West is going to be I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never seen the media try to destroy an individual more.
Speaker 1: I've never seen an individual represented more than him. I've
Speaker 1: never seen an individual who where if you read an
Speaker 1: article about him and you listen to him speak, they
Speaker 1: are two completely different experiences. When you listen to his
Speaker 1: actual um lectures that he gives. Um, Like Krince said,
Speaker 1: you know again, a lot of it is, you know,
Speaker 1: essentially his motivational speaking. He says things like clean your room,
Speaker 1: you know, sort yourself out. And he's telling people to
Speaker 1: be responsible for themselves. And one thing that he does
Speaker 1: that upset some people, and I can understand that is
Speaker 1: he says, before you go out and before you go protest,
Speaker 1: if you're an eighteen or nineteen year old college kid,
Speaker 1: make sure that you were sorted out. And I think
Speaker 1: people and this is where he might be he's not
Speaker 1: on as solid ground as he is in some of
Speaker 1: the other things. I understand his point. His point is
Speaker 1: that if you are not a fully functional, productive human being,
Speaker 1: who are you to tell anyone how to run the
Speaker 1: world at eighteen or nineteen years old. And on its face,
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable point, it's a rational point. But I
Speaker 1: do think there are certain instances where, you know, people
Speaker 1: feel that they need to do stuff. They need to act,
Speaker 1: you know, need to you know, participate in activism, They
Speaker 1: need to show solidarity with people that shouldn't necessarily be
Speaker 1: contingent on them being you know, a perfect human being. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if everyone who waited to protest until they
Speaker 1: had themselves sorted out there doing the protest, so that so,
Speaker 1: I think Peterson, that's an issue where his larger point,
Speaker 1: I think is somewhat valid. I think we've all met
Speaker 1: people who are a fucking mess in their personal life.
Speaker 1: But can you know tell you how to live your life.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it on a a personal level. Forget politics.
Speaker 1: We've all had a friend who's all over the place,
Speaker 1: but it's like, you gotta break up, you gotta do this,
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're doing. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: have a friend. I was in l A with a
Speaker 1: friend of mine who I love, and he was giving
Speaker 1: me all this advice and his car door was broken,
Speaker 1: Like you had you had to. It is hard to
Speaker 1: take advice from some card door. And he's got money.
Speaker 1: He's fine, he's not a he's not genuinely su car
Speaker 1: he's choosing. He's got a beautiful home. He's smoking weed
Speaker 1: in the backyard. We're drinking orange juice that he just
Speaker 1: juiced with a juicer, which I'm sure was money that
Speaker 1: he could have spent fixing his door. And but but
Speaker 1: you know what it is, it's the passenger side. Fuck
Speaker 1: the passenger. That's where he's at. He's like, doesn't affect me.
Speaker 1: I get in the driver's seat. You figure it out.
Speaker 1: These are little things that give an insight into somebody's mind,
Speaker 1: where it's like bro, fix your fucking door. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what Peterson saying. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: people look to distractions before fixing themselves or figuring themselves out.
Speaker 1: Because I also understand that, like, listen, if the government
Speaker 1: goes and does some crazy things like they've been doing, people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: people should mobilize. I mean that's what it is. Listen,
Speaker 1: people should have mobilized. One Obama fucking extended every Bush
Speaker 1: era program that limited your freedom, that that fucking like
Speaker 1: you know, there's you know, we have twenty intelligence agencies,
Speaker 1: we have a surveillance state, we have you know, why
Speaker 1: are tapping? We have all of the we have the
Speaker 1: n s A, we have all of these things that
Speaker 1: are doing things that infringe on your personal freedom. You
Speaker 1: should be mad at all of those things. They should
Speaker 1: bother you, they should upset you. It does seem like
Speaker 1: Republicans like to protest a little bit less than like liberals.
Speaker 1: It seems like we love protesting. Yeah, well, I think
Speaker 1: it's the types of people. I think conservatives, we go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning of the conversation, we talk about temperament,
Speaker 1: and I think conservatives. You know, Peterson made a great
Speaker 1: point where he's like conservatives run companies, liberals start them.
Speaker 1: Liberal start companies because they innovate. They're all about you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we need both. But then they
Speaker 1: don't think about like where the money is coming from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they also just their temperament is more suited to
Speaker 1: having ideas, you know, formulating ideas, looking at society and
Speaker 1: figuring out what we need. That's why we need both,
Speaker 1: you don't. You can't have society without these two types
Speaker 1: of people. Um, and then conservatives are kind of really
Speaker 1: good at, as Peterson would say, kind of running the algorithm,
Speaker 1: just doing what works over and over again and maximizing
Speaker 1: the results. But I think and the algorithm doesn't work then,
Speaker 1: and he made this point, it's like, that's when you
Speaker 1: need liberals. So I think conservatives, by their temperament, are
Speaker 1: more likely to embrace the parts of society that are
Speaker 1: functional and quote unquote run the algorithm. And I think
Speaker 1: liberals are people who are very good at looking at society,
Speaker 1: at saying what doesn't work. My issue is, then what
Speaker 1: are the solutions going to be. Conservatives and liberals both
Speaker 1: bad at the neither one of them is good. Neither
Speaker 1: one of them is good at solutions shouts. I mean
Speaker 1: they should do something, they should do something. Yeah, hey
Speaker 1: you d Dayton. I'm curious, like with you and dating
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson and I don't want to. I know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be weird. It's gonna be weird, But I love
Speaker 1: that little that that frail little body older man um
Speaker 1: in Canada. No, uh, I date, Yeah, I date. I
Speaker 1: have like uh, I don't know that. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I have people that I see, we go out to
Speaker 1: dinner and the last time I had a boyfriend tim stop.
Speaker 1: I've been around the book. I haven't had a boyfriend
Speaker 1: and forever, I think, what's the answers is a complex issue.
Speaker 1: I've never had. So it's so nice because you you
Speaker 1: look at both of them, you like, who's the guns,
Speaker 1: and then you know it's like it's it's almost obvious.
Speaker 1: I've never had I've never had a boyfriend. I've never
Speaker 1: had I've never have you tried, I've never tried. That's
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I've always had guys that I've popped
Speaker 1: up with and have had fun with, and I should try.
Speaker 1: I think now I'm starting to have more of a
Speaker 1: desire to try. But that way you're looking so good.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. She's she's such a you know,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you like to see in a malar blanket? I
Speaker 1: would love to, you know what I mean? Can you
Speaker 1: imagine the no outrage if she was in a case
Speaker 1: for zero marches? That would happen. But no, I I've
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on career, ship, and then
Speaker 1: I also just like kind of have fun with people.
Speaker 1: Relationships are very sticky. Yeah, you know, but I realized
Speaker 1: it's a part of my life. I need, I wish
Speaker 1: I could. I I want to get to that. I
Speaker 1: want to be there. I want to be in a
Speaker 1: place where I don't care about healthy. This is very unhealthy.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mentally, I don't argue. I'm really focused
Speaker 1: on on on one area of my life at the
Speaker 1: expense of other areas of my life. And it's going well,
Speaker 1: Yes it is. So that's why I don't that's fulfilled.
Speaker 1: No ever know. But yeah, but that's why you keep good.
Speaker 1: That's the hung kind of hunger comes from. But it's
Speaker 1: also like, you don't how do you know that a
Speaker 1: relationship would be the thing that made you feel fulfilled?
Speaker 1: You don't know that I don't know the inkling, but
Speaker 1: I think that it's it's worth. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: guys that I've liked and I've I've thought about, you know,
Speaker 1: But have you ever felt like you're in love with somebody? Yes? Probably,
Speaker 1: but it's just ever went to the next level? Why not?
Speaker 1: I think I'm afraid that once I fall in love
Speaker 1: with somebody else stopped doing everything else. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: I really fear, And this is very unhealthy, but I
Speaker 1: fear that if I was in love with somebody, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know how that would impact other areas.
Speaker 1: You know, but are you happy now? Are you just
Speaker 1: doing keep doing this common thing because it's working, that's
Speaker 1: what you feel you should be doing. I'm happy. I
Speaker 1: mean it makes me happy. I mean if I if
Speaker 1: I want it, like if there is a happiness there,
Speaker 1: and I do believe like you have to make sacrifices,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that it would be fair to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship with somebody who I would literally
Speaker 1: be like, you're never going to come first. I have
Speaker 1: to be honest, You're legitimately never going to come first.
Speaker 1: A Sea Level road club in in Cleveland is going
Speaker 1: to come first. Yeah, I mean I get that because
Speaker 1: right now that's what has to happen. I think you're smart, though,
Speaker 1: because I fucking crushes. All they do is just distract
Speaker 1: you from all the ship you need to do. And
Speaker 1: then I have crushes on people, and I and I'm dating,
Speaker 1: I think have these like arrangements were like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll hang out with somebody, will well, you know, go
Speaker 1: to a hotel, we'll have dinner, we'll funk around. But
Speaker 1: there's no desire to many of them are married. I
Speaker 1: want I don't want to get involved. I can do both.
Speaker 1: I can Yeah, impressive, Wait they're married. No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: Has a girlfriend? One right now? Has a girlfriend? Do
Speaker 1: you do you have a sex with a lot of
Speaker 1: people who like say that they're straight, Um, maybe, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know who that. I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: in their lives. I don't know what they do, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You really don't talk. No, we do talk,
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. It gets kind of weird only
Speaker 1: because I don't know. Like, so there's this guy that
Speaker 1: I met recently and I went out to dinner with
Speaker 1: him and he's like, I'm like, he seems kind of gay,
Speaker 1: seems gay, yeah, and then he's like and then later
Speaker 1: I found out he's gay. And then but he's very
Speaker 1: much like I'm like, just anyone know your guys Like no,
Speaker 1: I'm like your friends don't know, and he's like no,
Speaker 1: and I'm like your family doesn't know, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him and I'm going, this is kind of
Speaker 1: not a shock. But then I see on Instagram like
Speaker 1: he's got a girlfriend and she's really attractive and she
Speaker 1: loves them, and I'm like, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. Threatening probably super fun
Speaker 1: to hang out with. I want to show you the
Speaker 1: photos of I know, all the closeted gay guys i've
Speaker 1: known have had hot as fun. There's nothing hotter. It's
Speaker 1: not hotter than a closeted gay guy. Everyone's like, okay,
Speaker 1: gay problem, Like that's fine to me. Sex and pride.
Speaker 1: Nothing's less sexy than pride being proud of something. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean you shouldn't. Let's be honest. I'm not
Speaker 1: proud of the things I like sexually. I don't sit
Speaker 1: down at dinner with my family. I'm proud of my
Speaker 1: fucking the Netflix thing I did. I'm not proud of
Speaker 1: sitting around and being like eating ass. That's what I'm about.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people are right, it would make
Speaker 1: I don't want ass eating to be a mainstream thing.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like, yeah, it's a dirty, closed door,
Speaker 1: naughty thing that I'm ashamed of, and that's hot to me.
Speaker 1: My problems with with like non monogamy and three since
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason I hate them is
Speaker 1: because everyone's doing them now and I'm like a hack.
Speaker 1: Next thing, cut someone open, like right, right, Well, that's good.
Speaker 1: Next thing, murder? Yeah, well no, I didn't say I
Speaker 1: said cut someone open like murder. I mean, so, so
Speaker 1: here's the instagram and I mean, I mean, I want
Speaker 1: you to look at the whole instagram, but here's the
Speaker 1: photo where it's kind of like, this is the girl
Speaker 1: and she's very attractive, but it's like, you're gay what
Speaker 1: she's she's scratching her face in this pictures. Because now
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. Do I feel bad that, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like face fucking him in a hotel and I
Speaker 1: mean that's pretty gay that I pay pretty gay? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the is that a guy that you
Speaker 1: think is gay when you look at Is that is
Speaker 1: that acceptable to say? I don't care. It's true, face,
Speaker 1: but that's a thing. But it's kind of like easily
Speaker 1: it was to me dating a girl. Does the girl
Speaker 1: know that me and him? Or face fucking in a
Speaker 1: in a in a you know, decent but not great
Speaker 1: midtown hotel that doesn't they don't even have room. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought he was gay. I thought it was metro.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is kind, but I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Should I feel bad about that? It's
Speaker 1: not it's not, but it's not. But why so? I mean,
Speaker 1: so it's not really you're not in the relationship he is.
Speaker 1: So I mean, so here's the thing. When you asked me,
Speaker 1: do you have relationships? Tim, Yes, but here's the deal,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, relationships. But what it was he made
Speaker 1: a Britney Spears reference in one of his captions. All right,
Speaker 1: let's not get let's not get true specific. You have
Speaker 1: a you have a large platform. Well that those two
Speaker 1: things is enough. But so my whole thing is I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to this. I don't know, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: But it's also like who knows. But it's also like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's fucking chick might be,
Speaker 1: so who knows. Well if if she couldn't tell from
Speaker 1: reading the caption herself on the Instagram, and she does
Speaker 1: need to hear him. I think she's okay with it.
Speaker 1: Do you think she's cool? She doesn't know, she doesn't know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't think if she has any ink, she's stuffed
Speaker 1: that so far down in the depths of the fucking
Speaker 1: earth because this is crazy. We do get a lot
Speaker 1: of emails like is my boyfriend gay? Or I think
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's gay? Where I found this is this? Kay?
Speaker 1: We get a ton of you, and I think it's
Speaker 1: very important that I do a full investigation. He needs
Speaker 1: email them back a sad yeah, let me see and
Speaker 1: let me see if they like bro stuff, Like I'm
Speaker 1: really into BROI like, you know, like like, let's look
Speaker 1: like for me, I I chick, I'm like boy crazy.
Speaker 1: I get very boy crazy. And that's so fucking distracting.
Speaker 1: So the relationship you have aren't distracting. No, they're very
Speaker 1: They're they're very much a means to an end. But
Speaker 1: I think what Karin is basically saying what I probably
Speaker 1: do have like a little what Karin has inside of her,
Speaker 1: which is the need to control someone, to dominate them,
Speaker 1: to impose her. I was waiting for what that was
Speaker 1: gonna because I was like, you know, if everyone reads
Speaker 1: me so well on this podcast, well I just tune
Speaker 1: in every week to hear how I am you? But
Speaker 1: you you are? You're You're in a relationship. You're a
Speaker 1: you're a participant. You know what I mean? Probably oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're in it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like the
Speaker 1: un participating hardcore and do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you're you're it's a you know, so like there's
Speaker 1: part of me that wants to be in a relationship
Speaker 1: and do the like come meet my parents and do
Speaker 1: the like like come with me to record that if
Speaker 1: I'm taping a special or coming do something, and be
Speaker 1: more involved in my life and not just be this
Speaker 1: kind of tangential part of my life. So I do
Speaker 1: totally understand, and you know, to just have that emotional
Speaker 1: nourishment that I kind of don't have. I just have
Speaker 1: like these transactional things with people. But it's it's that
Speaker 1: do you feel lonely? Ever? No, that's great. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't feel lonely, but I also don't feel
Speaker 1: completely like whole. I don't know what that feels like.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's easier if you're not to
Speaker 1: feel lonely having never had a boyfriend, you don't even
Speaker 1: know what you're missing. It's almost it's almost like a
Speaker 1: better girlfriends when when I was in high school and
Speaker 1: ship girls, but I mean it was like, were they
Speaker 1: really hot? No, they were not bad looking. They were
Speaker 1: kind of cur of you, but they weren't bad looking
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, you know these were like what was
Speaker 1: that like for you? Because I mean you already knew
Speaker 1: you were gay at that point. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a wet hole. You make the best
Speaker 1: of it, you know, you have you close your eyes
Speaker 1: and to dinner. So wait, okay, so this is part
Speaker 1: of this is the last of our our Pride series
Speaker 1: and I love having you on. But no, this is
Speaker 1: why I'm having you on because you are so like
Speaker 1: non traditionally homosexual, and I love I love it. I'm
Speaker 1: just sucking dick, having fun, Yeah, just relaxing, But like,
Speaker 1: what's going on in your head during like June Pride
Speaker 1: month in New York City. Do you participate in any
Speaker 1: way or I mean, I think I participated in the
Speaker 1: way that a lot of gay people participate. I live
Speaker 1: as I suck a dick, a podcast, do comedy every night.
Speaker 1: I never hide from who I am on like I'm
Speaker 1: not a guy that like. I don't always mention it
Speaker 1: on stage, but I usually do. There's usually a joke
Speaker 1: about it, because I feel like a hack if I
Speaker 1: don't have one. But then I also feel like a
Speaker 1: hack if I'm like putting it in when it doesn't belong,
Speaker 1: I'm think about something else. I'm again, and it's like,
Speaker 1: um no, I don't. I don't feel the need to
Speaker 1: conform to any particular version of with gay is. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people that haven't come out
Speaker 1: of the closet because they feel a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: to be a certain thing. And I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything wrong with pride. I don't think anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, the particular iteration of expressing
Speaker 1: your sexuality is great, and understand where it comes from
Speaker 1: and why it's necessary. But I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there that don't necessarily fit into that mold.
Speaker 1: And I think if the media and people like that,
Speaker 1: if if the image of what gay is is evolves
Speaker 1: and changes and it becomes quote unquote you know, more
Speaker 1: somewhat mainstream, you start seeing sports people come out of
Speaker 1: the closet, like you know, there there are other there
Speaker 1: are other communities of game out there that I feel
Speaker 1: like will come out of the closet and should come
Speaker 1: out of the closet. And you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm so different like I know that in in in
Speaker 1: the comedy business, I am, I think because there's not
Speaker 1: a ton of gay guys like me or you know,
Speaker 1: in the but but I think in the world, do
Speaker 1: you find that a lot of gay people are going
Speaker 1: to work, raising kids, having dinner. It's not just doing
Speaker 1: everything else. Everyone else doing everything else, everyone else is doing.
Speaker 1: Pride Month feels weird. It feels like this large corporate.
Speaker 1: It did feel very compy. I walked through Harold Square
Speaker 1: this year in every store had a side and I
Speaker 1: was like, of course you only care now because it's profitable,
Speaker 1: because it's not like you feel like if you know,
Speaker 1: if it and if it was not on the profitable
Speaker 1: side of the spectrum, like no one would have a
Speaker 1: rainbow flag. It's just I just have a resistance to
Speaker 1: like has a T shirt massive parties. I love New Orleans,
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite cities. I would never go
Speaker 1: during Marty Gras. It's not me. You don't even need
Speaker 1: to though it's a party. Absolutely like to me, it's
Speaker 1: like any massive display of debauchery isn't necessarily as fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thirty three years old. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: a loser. I think, like I'm kind of like I
Speaker 1: love comedy, I love making people. I think my job
Speaker 1: is very exciting. But like when people like, what do
Speaker 1: you like to do, I'm like, I like to hang out.
Speaker 1: I like to walk around new places. I like to
Speaker 1: go out to dinner with people. That's not a loser,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, it's like this idea,
Speaker 1: Yeah that's crazy. Yeah, you know why, because I was
Speaker 1: it gets old. I think you're more you would be
Speaker 1: more of a loser if you were still raging every
Speaker 1: night atty. I agree. I mean, I think that like
Speaker 1: there's a time in your life to just kind of
Speaker 1: focus on something and whatever that is, whatever you want
Speaker 1: it to be. But I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, Pride a lot of fun and there's and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fun. It's just like I've gone
Speaker 1: a Pride events and things like that. I'm just not
Speaker 1: the guy on the float. Yeah you know, but that's
Speaker 1: that's how you're in. And I mean some kid who
Speaker 1: was sucking, kept his own identity to himself his whole
Speaker 1: life and then moves to New York City is good.
Speaker 1: That's pride is probably like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But like say they do like say like say they
Speaker 1: do try to take away marriage, a quality gay marriage.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that something? Do you get out? Do
Speaker 1: you march? Then do whatever I have to do. Listen,
Speaker 1: I have a platform. I will march, I will do
Speaker 1: those things. But I think I'm more effective as somebody
Speaker 1: that can go and make really good arguments. I really
Speaker 1: believe that's how I'm the most effective. I will march,
Speaker 1: have no problem marchin. You have no problem doing any
Speaker 1: of that. And the gay rights movement was not the
Speaker 1: real work of It was done by by people that
Speaker 1: were older than me. Let's be honest. You know, the
Speaker 1: people of Stonewall and getting the ship beat out of them.
Speaker 1: All of those people did the work that I that's unimaginable.
Speaker 1: They were ding alone, their families, their country, the government,
Speaker 1: everybody had turned their back on them. They were still
Speaker 1: doing this work and demanding their humanity and those people
Speaker 1: and they're still around. And I'm not saying that that
Speaker 1: has gone away, but I'm in all of those people.
Speaker 1: I would never claim to have been one of those people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I would never claim
Speaker 1: that mantle. That's something that's truly amazing, and I think
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, it's like I
Speaker 1: don't have that story. Most gay people I know don't
Speaker 1: have that story. Hey, if you work for buzzfeeding you're gay.
Speaker 1: Guess what, you don't have that story. I don't care
Speaker 1: what article you wrote. I don't care what joke offended
Speaker 1: you that you decided to, you know, dedicate fucking two
Speaker 1: thousand words to know the people that are doing it,
Speaker 1: the activist a real activists and people that did not
Speaker 1: take very lucrative careers in the private sector and instead,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe still we're in the private sector, but
Speaker 1: like defended, gay people try to try to advance, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the cause of marriage equality. People that do
Speaker 1: things like that are amazing. I will help in whatever
Speaker 1: capacity that I can help it, you know, Um, which
Speaker 1: I think is I think, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I think, and I hate to sound like this is
Speaker 1: gonna sound like you know somewhat. I think people seeing
Speaker 1: gay guys like me, talking to gay guys like me,
Speaker 1: having somebody like me being like is a part of
Speaker 1: who I am. Um, Um, It's not the central part
Speaker 1: of who I am. It's not. I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: sexuality is the central part of who they are. If
Speaker 1: you are, you're not interesting. And I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there that aren't interesting, so unfortunately,
Speaker 1: whatever they have I think, well people, I think people
Speaker 1: who make their sexuality the central part of who they
Speaker 1: are are people who are definitely trying to seem interesting.
Speaker 1: I think there is just form of activism, And I'm
Speaker 1: not taking away anything from people that are are fighting
Speaker 1: the marriage fight, all of that. I think that's all
Speaker 1: very important. So I want to be careful about the
Speaker 1: way that I say this, But like, I think it
Speaker 1: is a valid form of activism to be a gay
Speaker 1: person who lives a good life and does it conform
Speaker 1: to a specific stereotype and goes out into the world
Speaker 1: and lives a good life and has people, meets people,
Speaker 1: treats them with respect and and and basically enlarges the
Speaker 1: picture of what gay is. That's a huge standing people's
Speaker 1: ideas and doing it you know, you know, cynically or like,
Speaker 1: you know, me suggesting that people have to do that
Speaker 1: because fun what people think about you? Who cares? But
Speaker 1: the idea of like just going out there and living
Speaker 1: a good life and like proving all of those people
Speaker 1: wrong that think you are just a sex obsessed cretan,
Speaker 1: or you're a pedophile, you're a fucking you know, you
Speaker 1: hang out in underground dungeons or whatever, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: people think about gay people, you know, show them that
Speaker 1: you're not. You're a teacher, you're a you're a coach,
Speaker 1: you're a firefighter, you're a cop, you're a fucking whatever,
Speaker 1: or you know, I would never do any of those jobs.
Speaker 1: Are boring, but you know what I mean, like not
Speaker 1: everyone's meant to be famous like I am. But the
Speaker 1: point is that all of the regular gay people need
Speaker 1: to do regular gay things or regular things. I mean.
Speaker 1: But so do you ever catch flat from the gay
Speaker 1: community for having conservative views? I I think some of
Speaker 1: my conservative views are for people to really for me
Speaker 1: to get flat, they'd have to make an argument. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have the kind of conservative views
Speaker 1: that are I think, um like, the type of conservative
Speaker 1: views that are headlines where it's like I don't go
Speaker 1: out and say, like Meleanopolis and saying I don't. I
Speaker 1: hate to use him as an example, but like he'll
Speaker 1: say ridiculous. He'll be like gays are lazy, don't hire them.
Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, well that's a view that you're
Speaker 1: clearly going against the You're clearly saying an inflammatory thing.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I get flat from not only the
Speaker 1: gay community, get flat from every community when I say that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, I believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: Western civilization has uh some values that make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, and that capitalism is not h the greatest
Speaker 1: evil the world has ever known, and that um, you know,
Speaker 1: free speech is important. I mean, these are world debates
Speaker 1: I I don't. I never thought I'd be having with
Speaker 1: liberal comedians. I never thought I'd be debating the merits
Speaker 1: and values of free speech. I never thought. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I catch flak when I say Roseanne has the right
Speaker 1: to have a TV show not after what she said
Speaker 1: what she said, but like the idea that just having
Speaker 1: a Trump supporter on TV about we're just talking about
Speaker 1: I get flak for that. I get flack. But do
Speaker 1: I get specifically flact flak from the gay community. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think sometimes I do, but
Speaker 1: I don't think. It's like, um, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I think prevents me from getting flak.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about flak. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be in the club. So if you're not trying
Speaker 1: to be in the club, you can't get kicked out
Speaker 1: of what you're not in. I'm trying to be my
Speaker 1: own thing and trying to entertain people. But I've never
Speaker 1: gone along with anything that I found to be not
Speaker 1: what I authentically feel. It's the people that do that
Speaker 1: all the time that then when they are caught, they
Speaker 1: get a lot of flak because it's like you've strayed
Speaker 1: from the fucking herd, like you're and and that I've
Speaker 1: never been with the herd. So those are like the
Speaker 1: types of people who like google what opinion to have
Speaker 1: every morning, and there's a lot of people in this
Speaker 1: business with the right opinion in the right package to
Speaker 1: go very far. I've never tried to be one of
Speaker 1: those people. I've only ever tried to be funny. So
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure I'll get flat. But it's like
Speaker 1: the flats, only as much as you care what the
Speaker 1: flat is. You know what I know. I know there
Speaker 1: have been times that I've known you during your career
Speaker 1: where you like toned things down to be more palatable.
Speaker 1: What I well, what I realized. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's to be more palatable, but I realized something, and
Speaker 1: I think it was an important thing. I realized I
Speaker 1: wasn't being funny, so that became a huge problem, like
Speaker 1: you were just being angry or I was just engaging
Speaker 1: into bates with people that were irrelevant. Okay, they weren't relevant.
Speaker 1: My skill is not debating people. I'm smart, I can
Speaker 1: craft a good argument. But what what That's not what
Speaker 1: I came here to do. It's not why I moved
Speaker 1: from Long Island and lived in a shitty apartment and
Speaker 1: had rats and roaches and bedbugs and work the job
Speaker 1: I hated eight or ten hours a day. I don't
Speaker 1: run from any of my views. I'll discuss them at
Speaker 1: length with anyone who will have me. As you can
Speaker 1: see that being said, I don't believe that. You know,
Speaker 1: you start to really drain your energy. You only have
Speaker 1: a certain amount of energy. And if you're fighting with
Speaker 1: people all day and you pick every argument, you pick
Speaker 1: every fight. Now, I'll write things. When I truly believe something,
Speaker 1: I'll write it, and i'll craft something, I'll put it
Speaker 1: out there. But yeah, I mean there's been times when
Speaker 1: I've decided it kind of tone things down because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'm like, I'm not centering funny,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting funny out first at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. So that became a major issue, and like,
Speaker 1: and I'm also draining my energy talking and debating with people.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter. It wasn't so I'm not a celebt.
Speaker 1: They don't. I don't know, because I mean I think
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, pretty early on in a career,
Speaker 1: people do you try to I've never helped figure out
Speaker 1: who you are. You have an Asian now, I've never
Speaker 1: an Asian or manager say anything about anything that I've said. Curious, no,
Speaker 1: because I think there's a market for the Yahoo. There's
Speaker 1: a market for the guy that's not Millianapolis makes more
Speaker 1: money than most comedians. Yeah, there's a market there. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that. Um, I'm not the
Speaker 1: guy that's I don't have big deals with Disney or something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I'm a comedian. I
Speaker 1: live in that world. If I do a show, it'll
Speaker 1: probably be in a comedy space, you know, or maybe
Speaker 1: a dramatic space with that's funny. I don't think that
Speaker 1: I'm not a Disney Channel star. I'm not somebody who is. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you did take dance class? Yeah, I was very good.
Speaker 1: It looked like a Disney Channel children and what you know,
Speaker 1: did you take dance? Yeah, but I didn't look like
Speaker 1: you don't even know it. You're kind of hot. Let's
Speaker 1: let's put the photos up and let's see. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. It's like I wish I
Speaker 1: was at a part where like they bring me in
Speaker 1: a room and they're like tone it down, Dylan, tone
Speaker 1: it down. But it's really more like they're like, don't
Speaker 1: miss your fly to Cleveland. Yeah, yeah, be at the
Speaker 1: airport by nine. Yeah. And I also think at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like you get to a point.
Speaker 1: I talked to James about this because I think James
Speaker 1: is great and I think he's really funny, but I
Speaker 1: think it's also that, like I'll tell him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you started hitting your head against the wall enough times
Speaker 1: with people where you go, this isn't working well. We're
Speaker 1: feeding is the beast feeding is twitter facebo. I used
Speaker 1: to love nothing more than when you would sit down
Speaker 1: and talk to James because I feel like like I
Speaker 1: would get through to him. But I feel like the
Speaker 1: only it was like sending him to like a like
Speaker 1: go talk to your dad. Because here's the thing. It's
Speaker 1: like you can have these three comment threads with people
Speaker 1: and then you wake up the next day and you're like,
Speaker 1: I didn't write a pilot. Yeah, I didn't write a
Speaker 1: new bid. I would tell him that all the time
Speaker 1: on the and it's just hard because that's where I
Speaker 1: think that too, where I would be like working with
Speaker 1: people and then I'm like, I'm arguing with people I
Speaker 1: don't even know who these people are. The people that
Speaker 1: do open mics in Colorado really click on people on
Speaker 1: hit on like that he was arguing with on on
Speaker 1: the feeding like to take a one second glance at
Speaker 1: their Facebook and be like, what are you doing to that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have. For a while there, I kind of liked
Speaker 1: being trolley because it was kind of funny and such
Speaker 1: as yourself, it's such fun. But I think eventually I
Speaker 1: just got to a point where I'm like, I really
Speaker 1: want to make things and I want to I want
Speaker 1: to do stuff that I'm kind of proud of it.
Speaker 1: I could look at people go this is funny, this
Speaker 1: is good, and then at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, you know, I mean, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens, but you know, if I feel strongly
Speaker 1: when the Louis thing happened, I felt very strongly. I
Speaker 1: wrote a thing. It kind of got shared a lot
Speaker 1: in the comedy community. Was your stance, I'm sure I
Speaker 1: read it at the time, was that the behavior was deplorable.
Speaker 1: But people using this as a way to say that
Speaker 1: he wasn't funnier that his comedy was in And what
Speaker 1: you're basically trying to do is you're trying to redefine
Speaker 1: what's funny so that you was a mediocre talent can compete.
Speaker 1: That's what you're trying to do and and that seems
Speaker 1: very cynical to me. And the people that we're doing
Speaker 1: it with. The usual suspects are people that work in comedy.
Speaker 1: There are many of them, are comedy writers. They have
Speaker 1: jobs and make a lot of money. They don't take
Speaker 1: any risks. They hit a target when it's acceptable, which
Speaker 1: was when all that information came out. Very few people
Speaker 1: were going to Louis Before that information came out, there
Speaker 1: were a few, and good for them or whatever, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I respect that. I
Speaker 1: don't respect the pylon of all these people that now
Speaker 1: that it's a safe target to hit, they all go
Speaker 1: hit him. And I'm like, these are the people in
Speaker 1: comedy that will never be unemployed and they'll never be
Speaker 1: great because that's their their careersts their main instinct is
Speaker 1: self preservation. And these are the people that are hopping
Speaker 1: on these things. And again, the right opinions in the
Speaker 1: right package at the right time, you can advance your career,
Speaker 1: but you'll never be great. That is not that is
Speaker 1: not for if you really truly want to get and
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about great in any commercials. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about really truly being happy with what you're doing
Speaker 1: on fucking stage and on any platform. The road to
Speaker 1: that is not just fucking you know, becoming a fucking
Speaker 1: cubicle dwelling fucking you know. I don't even mean I
Speaker 1: think sitting in the cubicle or having a writing job,
Speaker 1: but like that mentality of being a fucking worker and
Speaker 1: going in and sitting there and like staying within the
Speaker 1: lines and all that ship. I didn't get in a
Speaker 1: comedy to be that person, and and to me, it
Speaker 1: defeats the whole purpose. But even for like, it's so
Speaker 1: it's like I don't I wouldn't even go as far
Speaker 1: to say that actions were deplorable. I would just say
Speaker 1: like gross, especially because sure, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the word I used, and I'm just curious. But
Speaker 1: it's like, my only thing is that I know you've
Speaker 1: talked about this before, but it's like, so if you're
Speaker 1: being so open as a comedian on stage about your actions,
Speaker 1: both the good and the bad, and things you're embarrassed about,
Speaker 1: like why didn't did he know just not talk about it? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that was a mistake. I think
Speaker 1: he knew it was wrong, and I think he's probably
Speaker 1: ashamed of it. And I think there's all there's things
Speaker 1: that is honest and open as any of us are.
Speaker 1: There are things that we hide from the audience. There
Speaker 1: are things that we keep to ourselves. And I think
Speaker 1: that probably he knew it was wrong. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the actions were really inappropriate. There are people
Speaker 1: in your workplace to deserve a level of respect. You're
Speaker 1: not giving them that level of respect. You're in a
Speaker 1: position of power. It's uncomfortable, it's wrong, and I think that,
Speaker 1: like nobody was defending the actions, and I saw most
Speaker 1: people were saying this isn't the right way to go
Speaker 1: about it. What I took issue with was the people
Speaker 1: that were saying, burn the comedy seller down and this
Speaker 1: is this is the culprit. Here is offensive comedy. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, no, it's not. Because a lot of
Speaker 1: people made this point. I'm not the first one to
Speaker 1: make it, but like, you know what really inoffensive comedy?
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, So to me, whenever you go at comedy
Speaker 1: that I always kind of just feel like you're it's
Speaker 1: a fucking scapegoat, and you're doing it cynically because you
Speaker 1: yourself can't want to advance your own career without doing
Speaker 1: the hard work and without fucking taking real risks, which
Speaker 1: these people don't want to take because they went to
Speaker 1: great schools and they live in nice apartments in Manhattan
Speaker 1: or l A. And those aren't the people to take risks.
Speaker 1: Those aren't the fucking revolutionaries. I don't give a funk
Speaker 1: what you're doing on Twitter. You're not a fucking revolutionary.
Speaker 1: You don't know how to be broke. You don't how
Speaker 1: to be poor, you don't know how to be unlike.
Speaker 1: You don't know how to be not liked. None of
Speaker 1: that is what you know how to do. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just speaking of like specific people. You know how
Speaker 1: you know how to show certain names. You don't how
Speaker 1: to show up in an office every day and fucking
Speaker 1: punch a time card. That's what you do. Don't fucking
Speaker 1: comment people that are fucking actually trying to do good
Speaker 1: ship and fucking yell at us. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: talking talking about Santanio. We were talking about it before
Speaker 1: we started recording, but the net special I would love
Speaker 1: to talk about it because yeah, because well so it's
Speaker 1: certainly had a gad speeds her name. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: because I heard about it through the comedy community, so
Speaker 1: immediately watched it because I love ship like that, And
Speaker 1: I mean, I went in and wanting to make fun
Speaker 1: of it, and I wasn't even nearly as annoyed by
Speaker 1: her as I thought I would be. But then, like
Speaker 1: immediately after when it started being popularized, but by like
Speaker 1: the Huffington Post, Artic, etcetera, I got a slew of
Speaker 1: d m s from listeners of this podcast who are like, uh,
Speaker 1: have you watched this special? I think you would love it?
Speaker 1: And I's got a mix of emotions anger, confusion, It's
Speaker 1: like and I often feel that it's like it's like
Speaker 1: how much I don't I don't understand. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't see why people think I would like that. It
Speaker 1: wasn't comedy first of all, and I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: So the main problem isn't the special. I don't have
Speaker 1: an issue with the special. I don't like to special.
Speaker 1: I don't like a lot of specials. A lot of
Speaker 1: comedy to me isn't funny. Where it goes on Netflix
Speaker 1: is not nearly as important to me as other people.
Speaker 1: Other people like don't put it under the company. It
Speaker 1: is because people who aren't comedians then think that's what
Speaker 1: comedy is supposed to be. And that's why we have
Speaker 1: audiences who show up and think it's okay to cry
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fucking comedy show. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if people are that stupid, you know, all
Speaker 1: they are potentially you could be right. Here's where the
Speaker 1: problem lies. It's not so much in the actual special.
Speaker 1: It's to respond to it, okay, it's this idea that
Speaker 1: it's being heralded as this, you know, as all these
Speaker 1: people that they they're you know, the these media types
Speaker 1: that write about comedy. There's so many people writing about
Speaker 1: comedy now, you know, you'd think with everything going on,
Speaker 1: that be other things to right about. But but I
Speaker 1: think it is important though, because it's a It's the
Speaker 1: one place where freet I understand, and I understand that
Speaker 1: these people are culture writers and whatever title they But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's like when that
Speaker 1: huffing to post came out, article came out, I had
Speaker 1: no issue with her, and I hadn't wish it. With
Speaker 1: the special, I didn't find it funny. In fact, I
Speaker 1: found it someone. Whenever people do something like that, I
Speaker 1: always they give glimpses into their mindset without even realizing it.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these people exist in this very
Speaker 1: interesting place of wanting to define themselves entirely by their pain.
Speaker 1: That's how they define themselves. Very interesting, and they they
Speaker 1: then kind of they really want to They believe that
Speaker 1: the way they've experience insto the world is the only
Speaker 1: way to experience it, and they want to kind of
Speaker 1: impose that worldview in that perspective on other people. They're
Speaker 1: imposing their will on you. And it's people that really
Speaker 1: seek control. They really want control. They don't want people
Speaker 1: to believe things that they don't believe. They don't want
Speaker 1: people to and you can feel it, you can feel
Speaker 1: the moments of tension, and that special is She's it's
Speaker 1: almost like do you guys? Are you guys with me yet?
Speaker 1: Are you here? And to me, I've always ever wanted
Speaker 1: to just entertain people. I don't need to have everyone
Speaker 1: believe things I believe. I don't need everyone to I
Speaker 1: don't want people to murder me like I don't understand
Speaker 1: what what what? How big your ego has to be
Speaker 1: to invite everyone to a theater to then announce for
Speaker 1: an hour in what you presented under the guys of
Speaker 1: a comedy special that you are actually not doing comedy anymore,
Speaker 1: Like why do we need to talk about that for now?
Speaker 1: Number one, It's a one woman show. It's not a
Speaker 1: comedy special, and so it is annoying to put that.
Speaker 1: And as far as like people are so concerned about
Speaker 1: like offensive comedy these days, it's like nothing is more
Speaker 1: offensive than fucking lying to someone and saying I'm going
Speaker 1: to give you comedy and then like not giving them
Speaker 1: comic people. People are genuinely a lot of these people,
Speaker 1: and we're all narcissists to an extent. I mean, to
Speaker 1: invite anyone to theater and go, here's what I have
Speaker 1: to say, is right, because I mean I did find
Speaker 1: her kind of charming at points. I mean, listen again,
Speaker 1: I think that what upset me was the Huffington Post
Speaker 1: article where she said, if you're this is the thing
Speaker 1: that got made quote was if you're just trying to
Speaker 1: be funny, get the hell off national television, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, who the Fox on national television? Number two?
Speaker 1: Number two? And I disagree that because like and like
Speaker 1: at times like uh, fucking what made me laugh the
Speaker 1: most and what made me get out of my own
Speaker 1: head the most. And it's percent and practical jokers, which
Speaker 1: is the humor of a twelve year old boy. No,
Speaker 1: it's again, it's her. It's it really comes from this
Speaker 1: deeper place of her being unable to exist in a
Speaker 1: world where people are are perceiving it in different ways,
Speaker 1: and she is that humor means different things to different people.
Speaker 1: She can't live with that. It's not okay with her. Well,
Speaker 1: to say that a comedians John is not to be
Speaker 1: funny is just because to her, it's not to her.
Speaker 1: To her, it's not it's not what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. It's kind of like with with with
Speaker 1: with somebody like her, they believe that any art. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's talking about Pablo Picasso and Van Goh and like, well,
Speaker 1: that's because I mean, her defense, she does have a
Speaker 1: degree in art history, So I mean, that's why all
Speaker 1: the funniest comics do. I mean, but that's why. But
Speaker 1: that's why she brought that into the you know, you
Speaker 1: have to talk about what you know. It's also like listen,
Speaker 1: she wants to destroy I think the idea she really
Speaker 1: loves the idea of marrying art to the morality of
Speaker 1: the person who created it, and I think that and
Speaker 1: that's what she's you know, well, I mean there is
Speaker 1: one point, especially when she announces, she's like, when I
Speaker 1: started this, can you guess who my favorite comedian was?
Speaker 1: And then she takes the dramatic part pause and she's
Speaker 1: like Bill Cosby and like even the audience doesn't really
Speaker 1: because no one. Yeah. But I think part of this
Speaker 1: is listen, here's the deal. I think we all want
Speaker 1: to compete. I think people are hardwired to compete. Even
Speaker 1: the people that extol the virtues of like you know,
Speaker 1: collectivism and all this stuff, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they still like to be at the top of the hierarchy.
Speaker 1: They'd like to climb a ladder. Most people do, not everyone.
Speaker 1: A lot of people do. And I think people are
Speaker 1: very good at spotting ways because it's hard wired into us,
Speaker 1: this idea of like spotting the avenue. What's the avenue?
Speaker 1: How do I get there? How am I going to
Speaker 1: get there? What do I have to do in order
Speaker 1: to get there? What is the process gonna be? Is
Speaker 1: it gonna be this? You look at things and I
Speaker 1: can't do that. There's guys that try to get laid
Speaker 1: and women try to get like whatever. I don't want
Speaker 1: to gender everyone, but like you have guys that go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be the best looking guy. That's never
Speaker 1: gonna be me. I gotta develop a personality. Some people go,
Speaker 1: I gotta be rich, some people go, I gotta be this.
Speaker 1: There's avenues to kind of get what you want. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these people that want to divorce
Speaker 1: that really want to, you know, basically throw out all
Speaker 1: the art that was created from people who are are
Speaker 1: considered by our standards, maybe by any standards, to be
Speaker 1: immoral and to be degenerates for whatever reason. I think
Speaker 1: part of the reason they want to do that is,
Speaker 1: whether consciously or not, if you get rid of all
Speaker 1: that are, then they're the only ones left. So if
Speaker 1: you get rid of Louis, then that, you know, like
Speaker 1: if you get rid of but but I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: it's like, who has a history that is so squeaky
Speaker 1: clean that we cannot in it? Finds something that we
Speaker 1: can that we can kind of horrible And then also
Speaker 1: she goes on, so oh my god, I have and
Speaker 1: so I just haven't ran into anyone who's seen this,
Speaker 1: especially guess I'm so excited about it, but like she
Speaker 1: she fucking uh. Then goes into she hates Pablo Picasta
Speaker 1: because she's like he had sex with an underage girl,
Speaker 1: and then we find out she's seventeen, and like, no
Speaker 1: one cares, No one cares, like seventeen, I'm sorry that.
Speaker 1: Why did you bring that? Canuck? You can fund someone
Speaker 1: who seven. I mean, legally you can't listeners, but like
Speaker 1: while some states you can't listen, a lot of the states,
Speaker 1: it's not I just don't think that's a reason to
Speaker 1: stop it. Obviously, there's abuse, and there's you know, when
Speaker 1: someone's in their forties they know a lot more than
Speaker 1: someone who's seventeen. It's not healthy. I don't think a lot.
Speaker 1: Let's say, yeah, and a rapist, right, yeah, pedophile, and
Speaker 1: let's give all the things, all the things. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: say it was the worst, the worst cornucopia. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you look at the stuff he did, are you still
Speaker 1: not going to say fun? Yeah? Broadly, has that a
Speaker 1: crazy painting? Like yeah, I don't know what to say, Like,
Speaker 1: how are you not going to have that reaction? And
Speaker 1: that's broadly. Has the feminist leg of Vice has this section?
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. I'm sure you just jerk off.
Speaker 1: They have this type. They have this like column I
Speaker 1: guess that's recurring. That's like, you know so and so
Speaker 1: was actually a piece of ship, and they're like Mother
Speaker 1: Teresa was a cunt, and then they would say something
Speaker 1: like and ruins everything. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, why why we
Speaker 1: try to do a segment on it for a live
Speaker 1: show for something, Because I'm just like, can you not
Speaker 1: take the shitty part of it, like the country reactions
Speaker 1: Mother Teresa's had, and you're taking them and you're parading
Speaker 1: them as this is who she really is. It's like,
Speaker 1: we're all fucking complex and we all have It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that people should get away with their ship, but
Speaker 1: it also means that, like, here's the deal. Talent does
Speaker 1: not come from healthy, happy people. It doesn't. I mean
Speaker 1: it has sometimes, but it's rare. I mean maybe, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: it's rare. I think talent comes from turmoil, inner turmoil.
Speaker 1: I think like when people complain about Roseanne, it's like,
Speaker 1: shouldn't the character have conflicts? Shouldn't there be demons there?
Speaker 1: It shouldn't people don't you want to see art where
Speaker 1: people wrestle with their misogyny, homophobia, their racism. Don't you
Speaker 1: want to see those things because that's what people doing
Speaker 1: in their private lives. Art is a mirror parts a
Speaker 1: mirror of your private life. We're not driving the conversation.
Speaker 1: I know that people think we are. We're reflecting what's
Speaker 1: going on. So even the best movies about whether you're
Speaker 1: just holding a mirror to society, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people now are convinced
Speaker 1: that they're actually driving the the entire thing, that they're
Speaker 1: the ones that are, you know, basically in charge of,
Speaker 1: you know, pushing civilization forward. Uh And and they believe
Speaker 1: this while telling jokes in a basement on McDougall Street.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean the seller, I just mean anywhere,
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, it's crazy. You're a lounge jack.
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time. I'm a lounge jack.
Speaker 1: I do. I tell jokes to drunk people in lounges.
Speaker 1: If you need me to register you to vote, then
Speaker 1: let's just call society. Let's call it a day. Let's
Speaker 1: call it a day. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: because yeah, because Hannah was, She's one of her last
Speaker 1: points is like my pain cannot be a punch line anymore.
Speaker 1: We did this on on your favorite podcast, Leadion of Skanks.
Speaker 1: It was actually really funny. She was like, I am
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old is never in that praz my pram.
Speaker 1: There is nothing, but there was nothing stronger than a
Speaker 1: woman who has rebuilt herself. In the Legion scans a
Speaker 1: laugh track, we just get a thing like The Last
Speaker 1: Brave Heart. If I saw a show like that, a
Speaker 1: one woman's show like that, I probably would have been like,
Speaker 1: this is fucking great. It would have been. That's the
Speaker 1: main problem of it. But also a one woman's show
Speaker 1: is saying like, Hey, I'm a narcissist and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna all sit and talk about me and just me,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even gonna maybe you'll laugh, maybe you
Speaker 1: won't for an hour. For an hour, head and that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what a one woman show. I've done one
Speaker 1: woman's show and I was like, let's talk about me
Speaker 1: for an hour, and it's great, but you know what
Speaker 1: you're getting, and it's like, you know you're not trying
Speaker 1: to mask something, and like then feed people fucking propaganda
Speaker 1: through the title of comedy yeah, but I think it's
Speaker 1: very easy. Um, comedy is. One of the things about
Speaker 1: comedy that makes it so cool is that there is
Speaker 1: no barrier to entry. You don't have to go to
Speaker 1: a school, you don't have to go to Juilliard. It's
Speaker 1: not like a discipline like you'd play music. It's kind
Speaker 1: of it's it's the wild West. It has a lot
Speaker 1: more that in comparison with the circus than it does
Speaker 1: with any type of formal art. Well, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think a beauty that's there's a beauty in that it's
Speaker 1: kind of this fucking renegade art form that it's kind
Speaker 1: of relegated to basements and shitty you know, comedy clubs
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I think that when we
Speaker 1: try to dress it up and we try to make
Speaker 1: it academic, and I think that's kind of what that
Speaker 1: special kind of felt like when and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that you can't elevate it. I think you should elevate
Speaker 1: it in any way that you can. But at it's
Speaker 1: very core, I think the essence of what it is
Speaker 1: should be this dirty, somewhat deranged thing that like allows
Speaker 1: humanity to blow off steam so that we can all
Speaker 1: be better people. And I don't think you're gonna solve
Speaker 1: all the problems in the world through comedy, And I
Speaker 1: think trying to is a really big mistake because you're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, again, people get mad at racial jokes. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, racial jokes have probably brought more people together
Speaker 1: than they have divided people, you know, because humors. It's
Speaker 1: also access to the regular person, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: there might I'm sure there exists many wonderful ted talks
Speaker 1: and high level texts on race and race relations, but like,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not the words or the conversation that's
Speaker 1: getting into the ears of the regular person who comes
Speaker 1: from from their job and wants to have a beer
Speaker 1: and goes to a comedy club. Like it's it's it's
Speaker 1: direct access to real everyday people. Yeah, do you think
Speaker 1: the guy that I'm fucking has his conversation with his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be funny if they're somewhere they just intellectually
Speaker 1: spar was She like, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: You weren't getting face fucked in a motel And he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: here's the reality. He goes. You know, Nanette, I just
Speaker 1: can't wait. The fucking title my podcast partner ray Camp
Speaker 1: we made after some chick that she met one we made, well,
Speaker 1: we's hey, that's what I'm named after. We just like,
Speaker 1: here's the other thing we made my podcast partner ray Camp.
Speaker 1: We made We're Gonna make rain at Yeah. And this
Speaker 1: is because everyone everyone should have an Nette, Like I
Speaker 1: think everyone should have Annette. I think everyone should just
Speaker 1: go up there and get to the bottom of their
Speaker 1: ship and listen. I think if you're a comedian, it
Speaker 1: should be funny. But hey, yeah, I mean she's an
Speaker 1: interesting lady. I just think right about Yeah, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: really did not like. I didn't I hated her for
Speaker 1: doing that. I don't. I didn't. I didn't hate her
Speaker 1: the way I wanted to. The reason I would hate
Speaker 1: her is because I think she would hate everything that
Speaker 1: I love and I love just the ability to say
Speaker 1: whatever you want in the room. I love the ability
Speaker 1: to offend people, to have conversationsbates to to these microaggressions
Speaker 1: trigger one. And this is a horseship, your fetishizing mental illness.
Speaker 1: None of this is fucking real. People are not that
Speaker 1: fucking fragile. Stop stop everyone you know and we We've
Speaker 1: got ninety million pills secure all of these fucking ailments.
Speaker 1: It's like, learn how to hear something that you fucking
Speaker 1: don't like. Learn how to deal with somebody that thinks
Speaker 1: differently than you. Otherwise you're we're going to regress and too,
Speaker 1: just where we just kill each other and they can
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, great Netflix coming out July three. It's
Speaker 1: always good to trash one Netflix special and then to
Speaker 1: promote another. But that's when you're like your managers tell
Speaker 1: you to tone it down. It's like no, And if
Speaker 1: they did, I would say, fun. Yeah, manager should never
Speaker 1: tell comedian client to tell you and I'll open for Nanatta.
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship and you love all about
Speaker 1: my paper, so then that I'll go around on a
Speaker 1: tour with you and fun on Australia out there and
Speaker 1: feed a Koala before she comes out. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The only time you're on stage is when you come
Speaker 1: out to Koala. I'm glad we did such a fun
Speaker 1: political episode. It was so high minded. What's the name
Speaker 1: of your talking about? But I knew because you were talking,
Speaker 1: I knew you didn't and I read your book and
Speaker 1: it's very smart and if anyone wants to read it.
Speaker 1: What is the school guys, we fucked self confident and
Speaker 1: fucked a discussion of the role of the nation state
Speaker 1: in a post Cold war Europe. And I'm so surprised
Speaker 1: at that idea. Take a book, and I said, these
Speaker 1: two there's not a chance of taking I didn't read
Speaker 1: the book. Yeah, no, I know you didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: even think it for one second. Wait, so what is
Speaker 1: your Netflix special? It's called the Comedy Lineup. It's lie
Speaker 1: third it comes out. I'm eight. There's eight comedians. They
Speaker 1: put me eight. Very sweet, Thank you um Netflix. It's
Speaker 1: a fifteen minute special. You get in and out. It's
Speaker 1: really fun, real quick. I thought this was a real
Speaker 1: comedy special. This is a fake. This is a fake one.
Speaker 1: This is so annoying watching net or you can watch eight.
Speaker 1: You can watch my special eight times. You watched my
Speaker 1: special instead of watching that. Netflix gets the dollar either way.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for you. I thought you had a real
Speaker 1: special and it was like the Comedy Lineup. That's a
Speaker 1: terrible name for a special. Yeah, I'm like, why are
Speaker 1: you giving the credit to other people's steel bad? I
Speaker 1: should have I wish I would if I had done
Speaker 1: it again. I would have fucking I would have fucking
Speaker 1: started a podcast about anal. I mean, you know what
Speaker 1: I need. But it's fifteen minutes. It's the new. I
Speaker 1: fully believe that these things kind of take off special
Speaker 1: I love their first their first, uh run of it,
Speaker 1: but it was great. Well, this is the first run
Speaker 1: of it. The other ones were half hour, half hour
Speaker 1: every here's the deal with you? They're so funny. That's
Speaker 1: what I said to my friend we had one. I
Speaker 1: think that the fifteen minutes is interesting because I watched it.
Speaker 1: And here's the reality. You kind of don't need more
Speaker 1: than comedians are working in every night anyway. You need
Speaker 1: a sweet spot. You really don't. Here's the thing. You
Speaker 1: want an hour of drama. It's kind of like, unless
Speaker 1: it's Chappelle, you don't need an hour from like anyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's she got it. It's really but I
Speaker 1: always thought an hour was too long. Tim Dillon Comedy
Speaker 1: Line Up. Thank you very much? And where can we
Speaker 1: find you? On social media? Tim J. Dillon d I
Speaker 1: L O N on Twitter and Instagram. My Instagram is
Speaker 1: kind of funny. Uh there's food there, there's you know,
Speaker 1: I have My friend in l A has just really
Speaker 1: uh good funny cat that I take photos with that
Speaker 1: I thought that was your cat. Okay, West Hollywood is
Speaker 1: your animal counterpart. It's amazing. I love him. I follow
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Speaker 1: just living life at Tibilian Comedy dot com if you
Speaker 1: want to see me live, but I put all the
Speaker 1: lives on Twitter and Instagram too. Awesome. Good, thanks for
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