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Speaker 1: I'm Christina, I'm Coren. We're sorry about last night anti
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Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of Guys We Fucked. It's
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Speaker 1: Not to brag. This week in the news, I stummed
Speaker 1: across an article is on Vice. They have a video
Speaker 1: piece about it, how the men's rights movements are growing
Speaker 1: rapidly in India. Thank god. Yeah, I mean, hey, Karn,
Speaker 1: men need have rights to okay, and they were given
Speaker 1: those rights and really not challenged on those rights for
Speaker 1: most of their lives. So um, and it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: One of the things I found interesting in this piece
Speaker 1: was how they spark a men's rights movement is to
Speaker 1: find men who have been falsely accused of sexual assault
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Speaker 1: falsely accused of shit, not very often, but it happens
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Speaker 1: can convinced all the O j's that ship isn't going
Speaker 1: right for you and you're being vulnerable and and feminism
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Speaker 1: that country has a lot of different traditions, and in America,
Speaker 1: dowry is something that is particularly um damaging physically for
Speaker 1: women and emotionally. I can imagine. Um it's where the
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Speaker 1: women are abused or murdered um and over this and
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, I mean the women don't want
Speaker 1: to get like murdered, and they want, you know, to
Speaker 1: know that if anybody's going to commit these horrible crimes, uh,
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Speaker 1: then you act like you've never been fucked before, to
Speaker 1: the point while I did lose. I lost my pool
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Speaker 1: when I was much younger. While I saw him again
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Speaker 1: and he came, I came, he came, uh, and we
Speaker 1: started making out and then well we went to the
Speaker 1: pool and then we started making out and then he
Speaker 1: was going to put his peen in my I'm a
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like every now this this is I
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Speaker 1: this is the it's you know what. It's because I
Speaker 1: paid too much attention to this topic. I read too
Speaker 1: much about it. I've written too much about it. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, you put the pep and we we all right.
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the terms. I can't ask.
Speaker 1: I like, like, I don't mind it at all. It's freeing.
Speaker 1: So speaking of freeing, so I'm with you know this guy.
Speaker 1: The party dies down and we're both in the pool.
Speaker 1: We're the only ones in the pool because I'm considerate,
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Speaker 1: Last minute, we're like, we should have a party, and
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Speaker 1: for the beer that's still out on the porch. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of beer. Not as many people came as
Speaker 1: we had. It was, Yeah, it was really We kept going,
Speaker 1: oh god, I hope not too many people come. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We were really on our high horses, Oh the highest
Speaker 1: tallest horse. And then okay. So so I'm with this
Speaker 1: guy in the pool and then we're swimming, and then
Speaker 1: we started making out and then start getting naked, and
Speaker 1: then he goes to put his penis in me, and
Speaker 1: then I realized, oh, yeah, I have a damp on it.
Speaker 1: So I go, wait one second. I was actually pretty
Speaker 1: not I wasn't wasted at all, but I was drunk.
Speaker 1: You were drunk. You don't get drunk that much. No,
Speaker 1: it's been a while and usually high. Yeah, I always high. Um,
Speaker 1: and and so I'm like, wait, once I was drunk
Speaker 1: and high at this point and making out with this
Speaker 1: guy then, like I used to make out with an
Speaker 1: adored when I was younger, it just it was just
Speaker 1: so many fun things happening. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: damn it my period. And I was like just and
Speaker 1: I looked at him. I was like me one second,
Speaker 1: and this is terrible, and this is why you should
Speaker 1: go in the pool actually not think about it. I
Speaker 1: go and I take my tampon out and I just
Speaker 1: throw it. Oh, I just threw it, essentially, or know,
Speaker 1: like a cowboy, like a clumsy Marlborough can know what
Speaker 1: you were doing. I think he did now that I
Speaker 1: think about it, and he has a good sense of humor.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, Christina, you foul what your mother didn't
Speaker 1: raise you like that. I didn't even raise me like that.
Speaker 1: And but I did it because I was so excited
Speaker 1: to get it in. I was like, get this cotton
Speaker 1: out of me and uh. And then we did it
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but it was just to have a guy,
Speaker 1: a man he's a lot older than me, push you
Speaker 1: up against a pool wall and just make out with
Speaker 1: you and put his penis in you in a pool
Speaker 1: is just great. It's great. And then he accidentally, well
Speaker 1: he don't well accidentally allegedly it was an accident, walked
Speaker 1: in the Karin's room. Oh yeah, that was an accident.
Speaker 1: That was an accident. He looked completely disoriented. I know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I woke up and the guy was like I
Speaker 1: think I walked into Karin's room and she saw him, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: fully naked he walked into my room. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: and he's known you for a while, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I like, uh, family, I was just I was less
Speaker 1: phazed than I should be by a naked man who's
Speaker 1: not supposed to be my room. Walking in, I go
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, Christina's room down the hall,
Speaker 1: so you got the wrong one. I'm the other one.
Speaker 1: So I'm so used to saying I'm the other one,
Speaker 1: so it didn't even feel. I was just like to
Speaker 1: the point where just like the wrong person's walking into
Speaker 1: funck me Like people call me Karen and I don't
Speaker 1: even care. I just like I just okay, Hi, I
Speaker 1: just say, oh, I'm the other one. I just say
Speaker 1: that all the time. I think that's how Mary Kay
Speaker 1: and Nashal Wilson feel, you know what. Probable honestly, it's
Speaker 1: probably way worse for that. I think they actually look alike.
Speaker 1: Were ye two different people? And then yeah it was
Speaker 1: just is good and then oh god, and then and
Speaker 1: I woke up, and then uh he went to put
Speaker 1: his fingers on my clip and then he alsodden. He goes,
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Speaker 1: I put it in a tamp. I was like, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you for him drunkenly reinserting a tampa
Speaker 1: because like me throwing a towel down and blood off,
Speaker 1: I like to do. I like my vagina. I really
Speaker 1: like to air it out during the night. I understand.
Speaker 1: I understand that. I think that I feel like that
Speaker 1: should be how it is anyway. And then and then
Speaker 1: I was like, oopsis and then I came back. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: my period like went away probably, And then we did
Speaker 1: it for a little and then he took his penis
Speaker 1: out and you would have thought he just murdered a pig.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, that my blood. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm so sorry. He's like, I don't care. Yeah, God,
Speaker 1: I love a man who people forty. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you're really he's over forty. Yeah, oh yeah, I think
Speaker 1: people over forty are very good at handling periods. That's
Speaker 1: what I will get one who isn't. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: salute human over forty for really fucking the ship out
Speaker 1: of people with period blood. I think they also realized that,
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Speaker 1: a fetish. I'm into it with this guy and I
Speaker 1: were talking because when I met him, I was so
Speaker 1: I had just turned twenty and he was like forty
Speaker 1: or something, I don't know exactly, so much older than me.
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, that was kind of like
Speaker 1: was that weird? I kind of felt like creepy a little.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I loved every second oven and then
Speaker 1: you look him in the face and say hashtag me too.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I said that when he said he he
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Speaker 1: you meet too, my comedy partner, and he was like no,
Speaker 1: I'm like you're so chill. I was like, if that
Speaker 1: was a me too, it was kind of corny. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very nice. Um alright, so yes, we're in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It's been four days. I'm ready to leave. Um, I
Speaker 1: feel like I can't handle this town. It's not it doesn't.
Speaker 1: That doesn't buy well with me. But anyway, the subject
Speaker 1: of this email is my girlfriend doesn't like to look
Speaker 1: at me during sex. Send help. Um, it's but it's
Speaker 1: a woman writing. If that makes it less on, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't look at guys when it felt fun. Um,
Speaker 1: it says hey critic Christina. I don't want to drag on,
Speaker 1: but I love you guys, and binging your older episodes
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Speaker 1: also made me want to be more sexually explorative. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doesn't technically identify as female, but still uses the she
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Speaker 1: is twenty and we have been dating for three years,
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Speaker 1: Part of my sexuality is that I'm attracted to masculinity,
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Speaker 1: of your previous guests, Crystal perfectly described what I was feeling.
Speaker 1: Masculinity is very important to her and one of the
Speaker 1: biggest turn ons for me. So my girlfriend and I
Speaker 1: don't use toys or anything like that because when we
Speaker 1: are not at school, we both still live in our
Speaker 1: parents houses and we never really had a space to
Speaker 1: hide them and feared for our parents finding them. So
Speaker 1: the majority of our sex life is going down on
Speaker 1: each other. Oh darn, was like, what a nightmare? And
Speaker 1: I personal hell. And I know both of you hate sixtina,
Speaker 1: but I fucking love it. Even if one of us
Speaker 1: gets distracted and stops for a moment, that's how the
Speaker 1: other person knows they are doing a good job. I
Speaker 1: mean it is, but I just one thing at a time. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, when I do go down on her, she
Speaker 1: likes it better when I am under the blanket and
Speaker 1: she can't see me and I can't see her. I
Speaker 1: like this, bitch. Um, she's so funny. It's a real
Speaker 1: carrin over here. I cover her with a tar and
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Speaker 1: that one tiny hole in the big blue tarp um.
Speaker 1: She has a d h D and and doesn't take medication.
Speaker 1: I know how that is, uh not for me, but
Speaker 1: people have dated and gets easily distracted, and sometimes she
Speaker 1: likes to watch porn on her phone so that her
Speaker 1: mind doesn't wander to other things, which I don't mind
Speaker 1: at all, because in the beginning of our relationship she
Speaker 1: was having trouble finishing because she couldn't focus. But I
Speaker 1: brought up the fact to her the other day that
Speaker 1: maybe if she was watching me while I was doing it,
Speaker 1: then she would be able to focus better. But she
Speaker 1: says she doesn't want me to see her face because
Speaker 1: she is so vulnerable and she feels emasculated. I enjoy
Speaker 1: seeing that because I love having the power to make
Speaker 1: someone crumble with just my tongues. We are both control freaks.
Speaker 1: But she likes to be a figurative top in bed.
Speaker 1: I say figurative because she's kind of lazy, I feel
Speaker 1: really bad and lays on the bottom and I always
Speaker 1: end up being submissive on top. I, for one, love
Speaker 1: watching her eat me out because I think it's so hot.
Speaker 1: And then we switch and I have to go under
Speaker 1: the blanket and I literally overheat because I'm already sweating,
Speaker 1: and then I have to get under a fucking comforter.
Speaker 1: So my question is, how do I convince my girlfriend
Speaker 1: to make eye contact with me while we have sex? Okay,
Speaker 1: there's so much going on in this email. I mean
Speaker 1: it's hard because we get a lot of emails that
Speaker 1: are kind of like how do I make my partner
Speaker 1: do this? And so there's a flip, Like number one,
Speaker 1: you have to have a conversation and you have to
Speaker 1: be as open with your partner as you are in
Speaker 1: these emails. I mean, maybe not the lazy part because
Speaker 1: that's hurtful. Uh you always say it in another way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can say it another way. But then it's also
Speaker 1: like you cannot force people to do things and feel
Speaker 1: the level of comfort with with certain things if they
Speaker 1: do not feel it. So it's like, for you, it's
Speaker 1: very easy to make eye contact with a partner during sex,
Speaker 1: but for some people that is not an easy thing.
Speaker 1: And I get that. I mean I don't like making
Speaker 1: eye contact pretty much. Ever, uh, during sex, I will
Speaker 1: do it, and I don't. I mean, I don't, like
Speaker 1: I don't make people hide under blankets and ship. But
Speaker 1: it's like everyone has a different thing. I am also
Speaker 1: you know, cis gender uh and like you know, presenting
Speaker 1: and feeling the same one the inside. So I think
Speaker 1: there's probably layers to that too, as you're discovering you know,
Speaker 1: different levels of your sexuality, playing with masculinity and femininity. Um.
Speaker 1: And those are things that I haven't experienced, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've always felt like very comfortable in my
Speaker 1: own skin, felt like I was the you know gender
Speaker 1: that I was born at, etcetera, etcetera. Um, so that
Speaker 1: was never a problem. But I mean, I think the
Speaker 1: first step is like maybe just like you know, she
Speaker 1: wants to be under a blanket or something, that's fine
Speaker 1: for her, but you don't have to be under a blanket,
Speaker 1: Like no one can force you to. Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 1: One time I try to fuck um Frank in a
Speaker 1: Katy Perry wig um and it was very hot until
Speaker 1: I also started overheating. I'm very sensitive. I get migraines
Speaker 1: very easily due to overheating, and so I can only
Speaker 1: imagine being under a blanket. What I tried to do
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yeah, it's like you're in a cave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and still so I think it's like this is like this, this,
Speaker 1: as with anything, is baby steps. Like you're not going
Speaker 1: to go from like being one person being under a
Speaker 1: blanket to like power I fucking the person while you
Speaker 1: guys are doing whatever. But you know, I think this
Speaker 1: step one is like to have a blanket off, maybe
Speaker 1: dim lighting. You start with a dim lighting that you
Speaker 1: can bring it up a little bit, and then you
Speaker 1: have to work towards the eye contact. Eye contact is,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, one of the most intense forms of
Speaker 1: intimacy that exists. So she might just be uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: the level of intimacy and it does make her feel
Speaker 1: very vulnerable. And you cannot force someone to do that
Speaker 1: if they're not ready, but you can take steps. I
Speaker 1: just have a conversation with her, be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I really I love, uh, you know, making love to you.
Speaker 1: I hate when people, but when you just said making love,
Speaker 1: you know what, because it was a girl on girl,
Speaker 1: so it felt a little bit better. I've been looking
Speaker 1: at a lot of dummy lavado posters lately, so you
Speaker 1: know there was a huge there's a huge one in
Speaker 1: uh in Los Angeles. Uh, And I think just taking
Speaker 1: baby steps, but I mean it should come from a place.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should say the part where you
Speaker 1: like to you like to watch people crumble via your pussy,
Speaker 1: but maybe like a more intimate thing, Like we've been
Speaker 1: together for three years, I really love you. I want
Speaker 1: to watch you. This is part of a h an
Speaker 1: intimate relationship that I feel we are missing, and I
Speaker 1: would like to work to words becoming more intimate. I
Speaker 1: think that's a fine request. Yeah, you can even you
Speaker 1: can even water down even more than them, be like,
Speaker 1: I think it is so hot when you look at
Speaker 1: me while my tongue is in between your legs, and
Speaker 1: if you if you have it in you during the
Speaker 1: moment and you remember and you feel comfortable, I would
Speaker 1: love for you to look me in the eye. Um.
Speaker 1: I am someone who doesn't have the sex that I
Speaker 1: had last night. I woke up and he left, and
Speaker 1: I realized I didn't look him in the eye once,
Speaker 1: because then I like, after I have sex with somebody,
Speaker 1: I think about it like all day and uh like
Speaker 1: reviewing it or just like yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeahah,
Speaker 1: not reviewing it, but uh yeah. And but I did realize, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't look him. I remember one time Steven said
Speaker 1: to me, you never look at me when we fuck.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know that I was doing that, even
Speaker 1: though you know I'm there. But I thought about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you're right. And then I started looking
Speaker 1: at him and it was way better. But also it
Speaker 1: wasn't because I was uncomfortable. I just I didn't even
Speaker 1: know why I was doing that, So it could be
Speaker 1: from any one of those situations, right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't like if it's unless someone intimate. Man, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna say, unless it's someone I'm
Speaker 1: in love with, I don't look them right in the
Speaker 1: eyes during sex because it is too much and it
Speaker 1: is too intense. If you, okay, if you and another
Speaker 1: person is obviously all consensual. If you look someone in
Speaker 1: the eye and put a finger up inside them like slowly,
Speaker 1: that is like the most intense like in their butt
Speaker 1: right whatever, like a sexual like you touch their genitals basically,
Speaker 1: like just lightly like and while you look him in
Speaker 1: the eye. That's some intense ass ship. That's more intense
Speaker 1: than any porno I've ever seen. You know, the eye
Speaker 1: contact is very, very intense, and like even talking about him,
Speaker 1: like that's a little much. But you know I'm on
Speaker 1: the spectrum somewhere for sure. Okay, our guest today, we
Speaker 1: are very excited to have her on. She's wonderful. She
Speaker 1: is a YouTube star and author, a comedian. Please welcome
Speaker 1: our friend, Grace hell big Ela Nayo. You thought you
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Speaker 1: my muscles and filling my nail. If you split the
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Speaker 1: So I get bored. Do you think this pussy is yours?
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha. You think you think this pussy is yours.
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha ha ha. You think this pussy is
Speaker 1: yours ha ha ha. You think this pussy's yours, But
Speaker 1: it's not. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. This okay,
Speaker 1: we're here with grace held every good. That's the morning
Speaker 1: we all have like our morning face, like fresh makeup.
Speaker 1: I have like that, still draining sinus not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know it was like you sounded a little sick. I
Speaker 1: know I have for the last couple of days. I
Speaker 1: wake up sounding like this and then slowly throughout the
Speaker 1: day leaks down. Yeah. It's really fun, just a gentle
Speaker 1: drip all day. It's nice. A little salty tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of fun. How how are you? I'm thirty
Speaker 1: two years old. Okay, so we're all this a mate,
Speaker 1: that's my figured, And you started out doing videos at
Speaker 1: what age? I started right? Well, technically I started in college.
Speaker 1: I went to college in North Jersey at this like
Speaker 1: tiny liberal arts school, and I took an editing class,
Speaker 1: a couple of editing classes, like my last couple of semesters,
Speaker 1: and our editing teacher had to sign up for YouTube which, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had no idea what it was. We thought it
Speaker 1: was like I thought it was like a campus serving
Speaker 1: website college, yeah, that we could share exactly. We didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about it. We were just told when we
Speaker 1: had like our projects, we uploaded them to YouTube so
Speaker 1: the whole class could see them when they were presented.
Speaker 1: And then after college started to like kind of realize
Speaker 1: a little bit what it was. I saw more people
Speaker 1: uploading too. I realized it wasn't associated with my school.
Speaker 1: And then I moved in UM in Brooklyn to a
Speaker 1: place with my college roommate after we graduated, and she
Speaker 1: and I started making videos together Michellee. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know there's so many even diagrams that are so
Speaker 1: crazy from New York UM. And yet we started making
Speaker 1: videos just like we each had different day jobs and
Speaker 1: then we come back at night and like drink a
Speaker 1: glass of wine and like talk about our days and
Speaker 1: then like trade off who would edit. Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was more of like a like a fun little
Speaker 1: competition between the two of us have like who could
Speaker 1: make it more interesting or funnier, because we would never
Speaker 1: like script anything. It was just literally talking and editing. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and then it was so like vulnerable. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: I just because I guess because we do podcasting. So
Speaker 1: but the like videos, I'm like, dad, I don't want
Speaker 1: that because you do the podcast and then you do
Speaker 1: live shows. Are the people that come to the shows
Speaker 1: that have never seen what you look like before and
Speaker 1: they're always like, oh, I thought you were the other one, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty lazy. Actually, there's a couple of
Speaker 1: faces that we get when people meet us afterwards. One
Speaker 1: is I thought you guys were I thought your voice
Speaker 1: belonged on her body. And that face always like like
Speaker 1: just like they saw ghosts. I can't process it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that happens a lot to people. But but I don't know, like, um,
Speaker 1: comments like were the YouTube comments always ship or was
Speaker 1: there time when everyone was always really they were always
Speaker 1: really bad? Um? Yeah, I like that involved like that
Speaker 1: really from the start of the internet there was happening.
Speaker 1: But the good thing was I started making more friends
Speaker 1: with people that made videos and realized like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: not just me that they're targeting. It's literally a right, yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone is the worst. And then some of the comments
Speaker 1: are just so pinpointedly mean, like so direct and so
Speaker 1: like almost poetic that you have to laugh at them.
Speaker 1: They're so over the top ridiculous. Yeah, either like really
Speaker 1: well thought out and like really burning to the core,
Speaker 1: or just like completely confusing. Remember Hannah told me once
Speaker 1: when we first met and we're making videos, She's like,
Speaker 1: I got this comment that I just couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: that it was like it looked I said something like,
Speaker 1: you look like a hamster. I want to take a
Speaker 1: ship on your neck. I think this is complimentary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so take it too seriously, which is great. When you
Speaker 1: had other people that also were dealing with I would say,
Speaker 1: do you still read the comments? Sometimes? I read the
Speaker 1: comments I made like a I tried to make an
Speaker 1: actual effort when the first couple of years that I
Speaker 1: started not reading any of the comments and not looking
Speaker 1: at numbers because I got hired by this website called
Speaker 1: my Damn Channel dot com and they me developed Daily Grace,
Speaker 1: which was this cute thing that I did for a while,
Speaker 1: but I quickly learned not quickly, like a year into
Speaker 1: the contract with them, because making five videos a week,
Speaker 1: Monday through Friday, all on my own, just like from
Speaker 1: my apartment, uploading them, editing them, myself promoting them myself,
Speaker 1: and they owned all that content. So I realized when
Speaker 1: I started making friends with other content creators that like, oh,
Speaker 1: you could own your content. That's like a thing that
Speaker 1: could happen. So I kind of had a detachment from
Speaker 1: like the value of the numbers and the value of
Speaker 1: the comments as much, um, but I still read them
Speaker 1: from time to time. I did a lot more in
Speaker 1: the beginning because I would use it to generate video ideas,
Speaker 1: to like ask people specifically, like what do you want
Speaker 1: to see today and that kind of thing. It's like
Speaker 1: a prop show. You're like a young entrepreneur. I mean
Speaker 1: you had that's your business, right, yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was technically like a job. When I worked for my
Speaker 1: own channel, well, it felt like I got hired to
Speaker 1: do this job that was going to be like my
Speaker 1: survival job. While I still auditioned for TV and film
Speaker 1: and like that. In my brain was still like the
Speaker 1: traditional route was the only way to do comedy and
Speaker 1: like perform and stuff like that. Um. And then when
Speaker 1: the YouTube started like slow rolling into people are making
Speaker 1: merch and doing tours and you know, doing brand deals,
Speaker 1: That's when I was like, oh, I should shift my
Speaker 1: focus to the digital world more than keep going to
Speaker 1: access in all over the world. Yeah, it's a global platform.
Speaker 1: It's nuts. Um. And it was just good timing of
Speaker 1: making videos too, because I think people were just starting
Speaker 1: to figure it out. To try and do it now
Speaker 1: is like nuts to me because you're just lost in
Speaker 1: the sea and there's so much when I woke up
Speaker 1: like an am a math test, Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it feels really inauthentic because so many people have
Speaker 1: done it that you get a lot of people just
Speaker 1: copying styles and formats that they think work. So it
Speaker 1: feels a little disingenuous. But there is also something that you,
Speaker 1: I know, you have that corn and I experience, and
Speaker 1: I guess you get it with instand of comedy, but
Speaker 1: you are known for being yourself. Yeah, And I tried
Speaker 1: to like shy away from that for so long because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to like be a host. I still
Speaker 1: want to say, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's your trying trying. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be a host, so I didn't
Speaker 1: want to lean into much. So I tried to make
Speaker 1: my videos like slightly seemingly more scripted and sketchy. Um.
Speaker 1: But now I'm just kind of leaned more into just
Speaker 1: being myself because it's easier to do that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it feels good. I mean it's yeah, it's it's you
Speaker 1: start to realize parts of your personality that people like
Speaker 1: identify with and connect with. I'm sure you guys feel
Speaker 1: that when you get feed back on the podcast. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think the interactions that we have with people
Speaker 1: listen are a little deeper than I mean a podcast usually,
Speaker 1: unless it's a scripted podcast, you are yourself. But you know,
Speaker 1: people like started coming up to us on the street
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they just like really dive right in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm to their problems. I don't even say, like my
Speaker 1: name is. It's really interesting because they feel like they
Speaker 1: know you right, they feel like they've had an intimate
Speaker 1: relationship with you, and so this is a safe space
Speaker 1: to just like put it all out of their word vomit. Wow,
Speaker 1: what's like the craziest thing that someone said just randomly
Speaker 1: come up to you guys with I mean people who
Speaker 1: have just been like, how's your pussy doing? Like I
Speaker 1: had like a U T I think I had like
Speaker 1: a U T I that I was talking about and
Speaker 1: then I was just like walking and this person was
Speaker 1: just like, so, how's your vagina doing? And I was
Speaker 1: like what I mean? I realized quickly with that it
Speaker 1: wasn't just like a random, like whisper cat call. I
Speaker 1: would honestly have rather had it just been a cat call.
Speaker 1: I thing like there was very weird. Yeah. Does that
Speaker 1: put you guys on edge at all being out in public? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have constant anxiety that I never had before. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's one time I was leaving Boston, UM and I
Speaker 1: was like so so hungover and I went to the
Speaker 1: airport and I was like gonna miss my flight, but
Speaker 1: I was literally like I woke up late. I had
Speaker 1: to pack all my ship up, like stuff falling out everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like get through T s A. And
Speaker 1: I'm like going through the security T s A machine
Speaker 1: and the guys like come on through, hell big, and
Speaker 1: I was like I was literally the only moment that
Speaker 1: I didn't want anyone to look at me at all.
Speaker 1: I was just like this is not a good I
Speaker 1: get now. White people wear I mean T s A
Speaker 1: when you go through you can't wear the hat like
Speaker 1: the baseball cap, but I wear I wear that airports
Speaker 1: out top only because it's not because I don't want
Speaker 1: people to see me because we're not that big. But uh,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's like you're significantly more populib. No,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to have to make eye contact
Speaker 1: with anybody. I agree. Even before I did anything online,
Speaker 1: I was not someone in like social life or in
Speaker 1: the real world that, like in line at the grocery store,
Speaker 1: would start a conversation with anyone. Ever. I know that's
Speaker 1: me though, I actually have to be I find I'm
Speaker 1: nicer now than I used to be because I have to. Like,
Speaker 1: you don't even when you're talking to someone, they could
Speaker 1: know you, Like before you just walk around like a dick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back in the days where you could be a cunt.
Speaker 1: No tweet about it. Yeah, I just like I don't
Speaker 1: want to, like, I don't know upset anyone, but like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just not a friendly person. It's a
Speaker 1: waste of my energy. I get to be doing other
Speaker 1: things that energy. No one knows that about Karena and
Speaker 1: they eater and then they're like WHOA, Like it's so
Speaker 1: funny to watch people almost hug you and then assume
Speaker 1: that you're going to hate them for it and it's
Speaker 1: like she's not. Yeah, I'm way nice to the people
Speaker 1: saying yeah, yeah. I get a lot of because I've
Speaker 1: like created this sort of like awkward persona type online
Speaker 1: that's like human interaction is confusing, and it's scary to
Speaker 1: me that people will come up and be like, I
Speaker 1: want to give you hug, but I know you don't
Speaker 1: like them, and I'm like, no, that's not the case,
Speaker 1: Like I know that this is something you've pulled out of,
Speaker 1: you know, joking about it, but because it is, it
Speaker 1: is like really you that you're presenting. But I always say, like,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, there's a part of yourself and
Speaker 1: obviously like we're highlighting some areas and blowing them out
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's like, so it's not funny to
Speaker 1: be like a medium kind of like scales libre type person,
Speaker 1: which I am in real life. So it's funnier to
Speaker 1: like blow out the continest because that's more entertaining, exaggerated
Speaker 1: a certain part of your personality. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: do that. Um. I always think it's interesting. Do you
Speaker 1: have any tips for like being a young woman who's
Speaker 1: starting her own business, because I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of times. I mean nothing that there's not anything wrong
Speaker 1: with like starting an etc. Shop, but I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like everyone's like, if there are a woman making
Speaker 1: a business, they're like, I'm gonna make cupcakes or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make jewelry out of clay, And I feel like
Speaker 1: there are other options. Get a lifestyle blog going. I
Speaker 1: think about that constantly. Style blogging thought. This morning, I
Speaker 1: was watching Catfish the new season, and there was an
Speaker 1: episode of a girl who was married but she's a
Speaker 1: cam girl and has two kids and that's how she
Speaker 1: makes a living, and the like showed how it worked
Speaker 1: because I've never actually seen it, and she gets tips
Speaker 1: like crazy, and I had a fleeting thought. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's a good backup plan because you don't gotta put
Speaker 1: your head in it the tip until she takes her
Speaker 1: clothes off, Like it's not starting from the gate, it's
Speaker 1: like you earn it. The Hat Girls Wanted Um TV
Speaker 1: series is very good if you want to somebody a
Speaker 1: cam girl as well. I've never heard. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the TV series is even more entertaining than the movie.
Speaker 1: Was a little sad cam Girls mate the one girl,
Speaker 1: the person that she was investigating to see if it
Speaker 1: was like a real either have been like coming back
Speaker 1: to her chat room a lot in total gave hers
Speaker 1: and she was like, I can do my laundry and
Speaker 1: work at the same time. And I was like, that's
Speaker 1: very exciting. I am interested in that. I think. I
Speaker 1: mean that. The general I've learned and I still have
Speaker 1: to follow my own advice about starting anything on your
Speaker 1: own or any sort of business endeavor is just ask questions,
Speaker 1: Like don't be afraid to ask questions. I always had
Speaker 1: this association that I should already know everything, and asking
Speaker 1: questions makes me look dumb or weak or like I
Speaker 1: not I don't know what I'm doing. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: no one knows what they're doing, and so you're only
Speaker 1: doing yourself a service by like pointing out the people
Speaker 1: that know more about what it is you want to
Speaker 1: do than you do and asking them for help, um,
Speaker 1: and just surrounding yourself with people that can do your
Speaker 1: job better. Do a job in association with what you're
Speaker 1: doing better than you could do. I listened to Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg talk Ones, who is like very genius brain business one.
Speaker 1: He's a very very smart like entrepreneur businessman, and he
Speaker 1: told us because YouTube had this like thing every year
Speaker 1: where they bring a bunch of creators together and they
Speaker 1: bring all these like inspiring people out to talk to
Speaker 1: us about different aspects of like business and mental health
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And he came out and he said,
Speaker 1: I everyone that I hire on my team is smarter
Speaker 1: than me. I'm the dumbest person on my team, and
Speaker 1: I keep it that way so that I'm always learning
Speaker 1: from the people around me. And I was like, that's brilliant, dog,
Speaker 1: thank you or snoop line, I don't know what you
Speaker 1: are right now, but thank you. No I I love
Speaker 1: that I wanted. I always wanted to be like the
Speaker 1: you know, like the worst comedian on the lineup or
Speaker 1: the dumbest person in the room. I always trying to
Speaker 1: date people who are smarter than me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: well otherwise, why are you here? Yeah? Yeah, And you
Speaker 1: have to be a little uncomfortable, I think, which is
Speaker 1: hard to do. It's easy to put yourself in a
Speaker 1: situation that's safe, but then I just never feel like
Speaker 1: I'm growing now if I'm around people who am like
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh, why am I here? This is?
Speaker 1: And then you end up doing all the work too.
Speaker 1: If the smartest person, I also think it's just worth trying,
Speaker 1: Like if you I do it a lot, And I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people have this kind of quality
Speaker 1: where they talk about doing something so much that that
Speaker 1: you almost convince yourself that you've done it already, and
Speaker 1: they don't like take act a lot. Yeah, do get
Speaker 1: more and more talk. It's real hard to do you
Speaker 1: still to get some tiny sense of accomplishment, just like
Speaker 1: saying it out loud and hoping that that like lights
Speaker 1: a fire under ass and then never happens. Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1: It becomes a bad habit. So that's something I'm working on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you? Yeah? What about This is something that
Speaker 1: I was particularly not good at, But thankfully there is
Speaker 1: one member of the duo that is really good at it,
Speaker 1: sticking up for yourself and knowing when the right time
Speaker 1: to do it is and when the right time to
Speaker 1: not take ship. I'm still so confused over when is
Speaker 1: the time that we fight for this thing and when
Speaker 1: is the time where it's way smarter to just kind
Speaker 1: of back down for a second. And that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I'm I feel that in a lot of different aspects
Speaker 1: of like making content because the world is a sensitive place,
Speaker 1: much more so than when I first started making videos
Speaker 1: like eight years and so the kind of content that
Speaker 1: you make, And a lot of my other friends that
Speaker 1: are sort of in this like creative burnout position where
Speaker 1: they don't realize like they don't know exactly how much
Speaker 1: they can should be talking about something or if they
Speaker 1: shouldn't give space to that in their like creative world.
Speaker 1: And it's hard because people people like to be offended
Speaker 1: by things that they might not fully know the context
Speaker 1: of or not see the humor in. So I kind
Speaker 1: of go back and forth and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: for myself like when it's worth standing up for something
Speaker 1: and when it's worth like choosing my battles kind of
Speaker 1: because that climate, that sensitivity climate is weird. I just
Speaker 1: wanted I wanted to read this, Uh this comedian Sam Ruddy,
Speaker 1: she tweeted this thing. I thought it was so brilliant
Speaker 1: and I think it speaks to like content to Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like stand up as a weird job because what
Speaker 1: we feel is acceptable as a society changes so rapidly.
Speaker 1: No accountant is ever like, well, I looked at some
Speaker 1: tax returns I did back in and it turns out
Speaker 1: they were super racist, and I was like, that that
Speaker 1: is how it feels. Yeah, us, I'm sure you guys
Speaker 1: get that on your podcast. To even like topics that
Speaker 1: you talk about, some people will have like an extreme
Speaker 1: sensitivity all the time. And then people also and I
Speaker 1: know you experienced this with I saw you make an
Speaker 1: apology for the Lacy Green episode. But it was a
Speaker 1: very weird situation that happened. Yeah, well, you know Lacy
Speaker 1: Green is right, she's like the sex so I guess
Speaker 1: she had made some transphobic comments at one time she did.
Speaker 1: I looked into it because people are always trying to
Speaker 1: call people out and then back and you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't even see this. It was a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Also that week, my parents were in town and was happening,
Speaker 1: and so I was just like overloaded with like why now.
Speaker 1: So we had Lacey Green on the podcast, who I
Speaker 1: remember from years ago watching her videos. She's a sex
Speaker 1: positive educator online and I really enjoyed the videos because
Speaker 1: a lot like you guys, she was starting conversations about
Speaker 1: uncomfortable topics with ease, with ease and with knowledge, Like
Speaker 1: she's very knowledgeable, and she was opening up dialogues with
Speaker 1: young people that weren't getting great sex education in their
Speaker 1: own high schools, with their own parents, etcetera. And I
Speaker 1: thought it was really cool what she was doing, so
Speaker 1: she came on the podcast. I had no idea. And
Speaker 1: this is what we kind of apologize for, is that
Speaker 1: we didn't do enough of our research to find out that, like,
Speaker 1: she had taken a hiatus from the internet because she
Speaker 1: was getting a lot of backlash from the trans community.
Speaker 1: Um and vaguely yeah, I went back and I watched
Speaker 1: the videos that people were upset with, and she didn't
Speaker 1: say any of the things that people had been claiming.
Speaker 1: She said, but I guess she's her boyfriend or friends
Speaker 1: or something. Are people that are very outspoken online and
Speaker 1: have come across I guess transphobic. So she's surrounding herself
Speaker 1: with people that, um, the community feels like she was once,
Speaker 1: you know, someone that defended them, and now she's associating
Speaker 1: with these people that they don't feel safe around, which
Speaker 1: I understand, like that if you had this person that
Speaker 1: was championing you and like educating the world on like
Speaker 1: your journey and what you're going through, that you would
Speaker 1: feel upset at or at a loss that they would
Speaker 1: go hang out with someone else that you thought was problematic,
Speaker 1: and so that's where a lot of the anger was
Speaker 1: coming from. And we more apologize that, like we didn't
Speaker 1: do our research to figure out why people I think
Speaker 1: she's so polarizing, so we weren't able to have a
Speaker 1: conversation about it on the podcast. Like my biggest bummer
Speaker 1: was like not being able to actually be like, why
Speaker 1: do people think these things about you? What's going on
Speaker 1: in your world? And so it is a missed opportunity
Speaker 1: and people like to just you know, take one thing
Speaker 1: out of context and run with it and say like
Speaker 1: you've disappointed me grace, which is like, so like, yeah,
Speaker 1: one of my triggers is like feeling like I disappointed
Speaker 1: someone or let someone down because everything is with good intentions,
Speaker 1: you know. I always feel like you have to if
Speaker 1: you're upset with someone, you really have to look at
Speaker 1: what their intentions were in this situation and go from there.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like people thought I had like
Speaker 1: malicious intent and that I was now letting them down
Speaker 1: by association. So it's this whole like and that does
Speaker 1: that ever frustrate you? Because I often I feel that
Speaker 1: same way, but a lot of times my reaction, which
Speaker 1: isn't a good reaction, tends to be and I kind
Speaker 1: of keep it in, but like angry because it's like,
Speaker 1: you really thought that I meant to say that trans
Speaker 1: people are that like that, you can't generalize any group
Speaker 1: of any human being like that, and you both know
Speaker 1: that that's logical. And I was getting Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: getting upset that. I was like, you guys can't. You're
Speaker 1: taking this one singular moment without looking at intentions and
Speaker 1: totally ignoring like ten plus years of content creation that
Speaker 1: is supported and rallied around like an lgbt Q plus community,
Speaker 1: and so like the seesaw of it just felt so
Speaker 1: imbalanced to me that I was like really bummed. And
Speaker 1: you then you feel like whenever you say something, it
Speaker 1: just makes it worse. It's like fueling the fire when
Speaker 1: you try to like apologize in any capacity. That's what
Speaker 1: I found, yeah, and that's how where we live though.
Speaker 1: It's just like you can do a million great things
Speaker 1: and then you do one bad thing. You put out
Speaker 1: one tweet that's someone that can strues as not the
Speaker 1: you that they want to see, and then you're like up,
Speaker 1: it's all over people's desire to want to escape themselves
Speaker 1: and look look at themselves and look at their flaws.
Speaker 1: I think I think that fuels a desire to really
Speaker 1: attack other people for projection. It's a lot of people
Speaker 1: are having something going on in their world and this
Speaker 1: has triggered something, and now I'm the scapegoat for their
Speaker 1: anger or their yah. That's what it is, sadness or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And that's like a huge bummer because
Speaker 1: you do go to the you know, content to escape
Speaker 1: in some capacity, and so if you're feeling triggered by it,
Speaker 1: that sucks. Um. But yeah, it's also like I do
Speaker 1: the same thing in terms of reading comments will be
Speaker 1: like a hundred really nice comments and then one mean one,
Speaker 1: and somehow you fixate always and you're like, why can't
Speaker 1: I just remember all the nice ones that are way more?
Speaker 1: But it was also it was a very small amount
Speaker 1: of people that were actually like offended or upset. They
Speaker 1: just happened to be very outspoken seem like a lot more.
Speaker 1: And also a lot of my like content creative friends
Speaker 1: that I really admire, we're like texting me nice things
Speaker 1: and that's how I kind of knew it was okay
Speaker 1: because those are people that whose opinions you respect, respect,
Speaker 1: and that they actually from the outside perspective are looking
Speaker 1: at all of this too and understanding like it's kind
Speaker 1: of unfair the criticisms that we were getting. People like
Speaker 1: Hank Green that I loved to death and so and
Speaker 1: trust his judgment and opinion, and someone that has followed
Speaker 1: Lacy for like years and years and years or listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast and like really had the full context
Speaker 1: of it was being very encouraging. So yeah, it probably
Speaker 1: made you feel more sane. Yeah, it was just of
Speaker 1: course that week. As soon as something that happens, you
Speaker 1: just want to kind of hide a little bit. But
Speaker 1: then I had to go to Big Con and like
Speaker 1: look at the internet in its face, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was really scared, but everyone was so so nice, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't no big deal. Plus I just like over
Speaker 1: exaggerate in my brain and go like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: someone's gonna hurt me. At Vico, I was gonna ask
Speaker 1: if you've ever had a stalker or somebody acts very inappropriate.
Speaker 1: You seem like you seem like exactly like the type
Speaker 1: of person that someone wouldn't want to stop star power. No,
Speaker 1: I've had Um, I mean Hannah's had crazy situations. Um.
Speaker 1: I had two scenarios. One was actually at the People's
Speaker 1: Improv Theater. I was after a show, um, and I
Speaker 1: don't even know if this guy had even watched, like
Speaker 1: the videos weren't even like this was two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: maybe two thousand ten, and he just came into ring
Speaker 1: like a blazer and like had flowers and like a
Speaker 1: gift bag, and he came and he took photos with
Speaker 1: like every one of my teammates on the improv team
Speaker 1: that I was on. After our show was done, and
Speaker 1: we went to the lobby to get drinks and he
Speaker 1: took a photo of me, and then he's like, I
Speaker 1: brought you these flowers and this gift. And he was
Speaker 1: like asking if I could go out on a date.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's very kind, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I actually have a boyfriend, like pointing to
Speaker 1: the guy I was dating at the time, was like
Speaker 1: standing right there. I was like this, sorry, but this
Speaker 1: is very nice. Thank you. And he's like, well, can
Speaker 1: I get your phone number? And I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't give my phone number out. Also, like I said,
Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend, this a little uncomfortable. He's like,
Speaker 1: can I please just get your phone number? I just
Speaker 1: want to talk. And then my boyfriend the time came over.
Speaker 1: He's like, what's everything okay? And I was like looked
Speaker 1: at him like something's weird now, and the guy was like, please, Grace, please,
Speaker 1: can't get your phone number in front of him now
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. And then he was like dude, I'm her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't cool. Please stop, and then he wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1: And so the guy I was dating time, he and
Speaker 1: I left and he followed us down the street and
Speaker 1: he kept saying, Grace, please, I just want to talk,
Speaker 1: pleasing your phone number. And so the guy I was
Speaker 1: dating like took the flowers and threw him at him
Speaker 1: and we're like walk away now, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is nuts, and he like finally turned back and
Speaker 1: went inside and we like walked away, but I kept
Speaker 1: thinking like he was following us the whole night. It
Speaker 1: was very very spooky. And then never saw him again
Speaker 1: at the theater. I have no idea. Otherwise there was
Speaker 1: this other guy. Um, this was so weird. We went
Speaker 1: to buffer Fest, which is this festival in Toronto. That's
Speaker 1: like a film festival esque YouTube convention thing, and it
Speaker 1: was the first year that was happening, and so Memory
Speaker 1: and I and Hannah all went. But before that had
Speaker 1: been happening, there was this guy that was like on
Speaker 1: Tumblr posting all this stuff. Memory finds all these things,
Speaker 1: Like I had no idea this was happening. She had
Speaker 1: found it in our tag somewhere, and he had been
Speaker 1: posting all this like he wasn't mentally all there. I
Speaker 1: don't know what was going on, but he was posting
Speaker 1: on the stuff like thinking that all my videos were
Speaker 1: like personal messages to him and that we were having
Speaker 1: this one on one dialogue and that he was going
Speaker 1: to come the Buffer Festival and he lived in New
Speaker 1: Jersey and like all of this like really crazed up
Speaker 1: and all these like shirtless selfies that were just like
Speaker 1: a little off in the weird way. And so I
Speaker 1: let the festival know. I was like, I'm getting these
Speaker 1: messages that this guy keeps saying he's coming to Canada.
Speaker 1: I feel a little like weird about this. I don't
Speaker 1: I've never seen this guy before. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So we go there and They're like, we
Speaker 1: have a security guard for you just in case. You
Speaker 1: know that we'll walk you if you feel unsafe, and
Speaker 1: I was like thanks, mean while we're tracking his whole
Speaker 1: journey to Toronto because he's like putting it. He took
Speaker 1: the train and he's I was like bragging about how
Speaker 1: he didn't have his passport, so he doesn't know how
Speaker 1: they're going to let him in. And he forgot want
Speaker 1: to brag, and he forgot to take his medicine. So
Speaker 1: he's feeling little you now, and he would like post
Speaker 1: videos of him like peeing in the just like a
Speaker 1: video of him pissing into a toilet on the train
Speaker 1: like proved that he's on his way, and oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was so weird. It was like this digital Jaws
Speaker 1: moment of like, oh my god, is he's on his way,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have a passport, he can't get in.
Speaker 1: Then he posted photos of like him in his hotel room.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. And then I had to do
Speaker 1: a meet and greet at like nine am, like the
Speaker 1: next morning. We had like turn out really late the
Speaker 1: night before, and so this security guard named Josh, who
Speaker 1: was like this ex military like sixty five year old guy.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't know what he could
Speaker 1: have done, but he also looks like he's seen a lot,
Speaker 1: like he could tell he could out crazy anybody's crazy,
Speaker 1: like he could kill someone in a heartbeat. But so
Speaker 1: he walked me. He was super nice. And then memory
Speaker 1: came like she woke up early because she felt crazy,
Speaker 1: Like she's like, I don't know, this guy seems like
Speaker 1: totally unhinged, and so she just shows up like no makeup,
Speaker 1: fully hungover, just holding like a giant like gallon of coffee.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'm going to walk the line for
Speaker 1: you and just see if he's in line, because I
Speaker 1: know what he looks like. And she walked and he
Speaker 1: was standing in line. Yeah, he was in line. So
Speaker 1: the security I'm getting chills, secreed on it. The security
Speaker 1: guard like asked him to leave, and he was like no,
Speaker 1: and then they asked him again, like a couple of
Speaker 1: other people came over and he had to leave. He
Speaker 1: left the line then, uh, And so I'm like doing
Speaker 1: the rest of my meet and greet just like the
Speaker 1: whole time kind of like half present with everyone wondering
Speaker 1: what's happening, and Maymory just like comes up to me
Speaker 1: and everyone knows mam or two, so like maybe like
Speaker 1: in line when she's like looking for him. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so she like came up and whispered. She's like, we
Speaker 1: found him. He was in line. Uh, and he like
Speaker 1: waved at memory because like he knows who she is,
Speaker 1: and she's like they asked him to leave, so he's
Speaker 1: not in line anymore, So you're okay. I was like, okay, cool, thanks,
Speaker 1: and then we she and I did this like um
Speaker 1: on stage panel thing later that day, and uh we
Speaker 1: were backstage and they had like a feed to a
Speaker 1: TV in the green row and so we're like the
Speaker 1: all the staff that was working the event was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that was crazy earlier is everything? Okay? Even seen him?
Speaker 1: Like no, I even seen him? And then we like
Speaker 1: look up at the screen. He's sitting front row in
Speaker 1: this thing that they already told him like he's not
Speaker 1: a sec Oh my god, he's row. But he came
Speaker 1: in like last and like sat front row and then
Speaker 1: security went out and he just gets up and he
Speaker 1: sprints out the door as fast as he could, and
Speaker 1: Maybury and I were like, oh my god, what is
Speaker 1: going on? And then we didn't end up seeing him
Speaker 1: after that, They like, like he left, we don't know
Speaker 1: where he is. And then we went back to our
Speaker 1: hotel and saw all this posts of him basically saying
Speaker 1: that I broke up with him that day, being like
Speaker 1: I thought we had something. I'll take a hint and
Speaker 1: like leave life. Yes, so nuts, And then I think
Speaker 1: he like we didn't hear anything from him, but I
Speaker 1: think he had like started a different tumbler because he
Speaker 1: kept like a racing tumblers and starting like different ones
Speaker 1: that were similar names, and like Maymor would every once
Speaker 1: in a while be like she's an investigator. She's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she can sleuth like no other. But yeah, those are
Speaker 1: the only two like weird moments. Have you guys had
Speaker 1: any Yeah, I had a women I've had to put
Speaker 1: multiple guys on lists, had a similar one where yeah,
Speaker 1: I also have This has always been happening to me
Speaker 1: since I was like in middle school, I've had stalkers. Really,
Speaker 1: I think it's like something about like the there, you know,
Speaker 1: being a female weirdo, because I feel like there's just
Speaker 1: like less female weirdos than male weird feel yeah exactly, people,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why people find me so
Speaker 1: relatable because like, basically my brand is trying to be
Speaker 1: as unrelatable as possible and as closed off as possible,
Speaker 1: and that seems to only make people like me more.
Speaker 1: It feels like people are not working. I want to
Speaker 1: be the one that you let in, like I can
Speaker 1: break away fast. Kind of a similar thing, like I
Speaker 1: I was dating my ex boyfriend at the time and
Speaker 1: this guy would just like follow me to show it
Speaker 1: was which like I've done to mails, but like I'm not.
Speaker 1: I guess that's you do it. And it was fine,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and did you know him before? And like
Speaker 1: she just started coming and I was and I was
Speaker 1: kind of like this was years ago, so I was
Speaker 1: kind of like cool, I got a fan. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: then it got too aggressive. Then he started sending me
Speaker 1: email outside my window at the time. The email my
Speaker 1: email is still my on my website because I was like,
Speaker 1: I'd be lucky if anyone wants to do And then
Speaker 1: to the point where I had to put him like
Speaker 1: on a list at the club I perform at most,
Speaker 1: and he was like on a do not sell tickets
Speaker 1: to list? Um, I mean, given how much we publicize
Speaker 1: where we are at every given moment to kill us.
Speaker 1: It's on like it's a very low percentage, which is great,
Speaker 1: but it is like those negative comments because that one
Speaker 1: stock or person is like, yeah, there's a guy in
Speaker 1: l A that shows up the things that you know,
Speaker 1: I can't go to any of Hannah's events anymore. Like
Speaker 1: I Hannah like group kicked out of an event because
Speaker 1: he showed up and it wasn't a safe situation. And
Speaker 1: he showed up when I was shooting something downtown a
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, and I had forgotten about this person
Speaker 1: and then just like saw him in the crowd and
Speaker 1: was like, okay, right, Josh, yeah, I know. So it's
Speaker 1: and it's one of those things where they could be
Speaker 1: like totally harmless and super nice and he's not completely
Speaker 1: all there. But you don't know, taking a risk like that,
Speaker 1: it's just so hard to do to rationalize in your brain,
Speaker 1: Like how do you make sure that there's space and
Speaker 1: distance but not anger anyone You don't have anyone's feelings.
Speaker 1: But I also think like if anyone's like threatening to
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of me or like murder me
Speaker 1: or rape me, I'm like, oh, they're safe. But like
Speaker 1: if someone's like trying to say too much, like they're
Speaker 1: going to kill This is very suspicious serious exactly, I
Speaker 1: don't trust any sense of kindness. What about Okay, how sex?
Speaker 1: It's proud of myself. I knew it when Like what
Speaker 1: did you learn about it? Where you? I was somebody
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing, but I was
Speaker 1: so eager to be there that I was just really
Speaker 1: excited but very awkward. How were you at the beginning? Like,
Speaker 1: what did you learn about it at the beginning that
Speaker 1: you had it? I don't like I learned like nothing,
Speaker 1: which is I think why I liked people like Lacy
Speaker 1: online when she first was making videos and talking about
Speaker 1: sex and talking about that, because my mom never like
Speaker 1: had a sex talk with me. The only sex talk
Speaker 1: you had with me is you're very fertile, just so
Speaker 1: you know, we're very fertile as a as a that
Speaker 1: was like, oh, the tim was a mistake, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: trying to tell me, but the yeah, So she always
Speaker 1: said that her mom because my grandmother's from England, so
Speaker 1: she's very like repressed British, and so she never had
Speaker 1: to talk with my mom. So my mom know how
Speaker 1: to like talk with me about any of it. So
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like learning from the internet
Speaker 1: and learning from like friends and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: I didn't lose my virginity until I was in college
Speaker 1: and I wrote about it in my book about how
Speaker 1: a guy was dating in college and I first like
Speaker 1: college boyfriend took me to um the Oh why am
Speaker 1: I blanking? Now? The Italian chain restaurant where you can
Speaker 1: draw on the table Macaroni Girl. He took me to
Speaker 1: Macaroni Girl for Valentine's Day and I was like, game on,
Speaker 1: this is the most romantic thing a man has ever
Speaker 1: done for me. This is perfect. And it was just
Speaker 1: like bad because he was bad at it. I realized
Speaker 1: later that was he a virgin at the time or not? No,
Speaker 1: he had had sex one time before, yeah, which so
Speaker 1: it's not his fault. But also had no interest in
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out how to be good at sex,
Speaker 1: and that there's no willingness to learn. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: think it was like two years of being excited to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship rather than even evaluating the relationship
Speaker 1: and realizing that I am I getting out of this
Speaker 1: what I wanted? Am I have to ask for things?
Speaker 1: That I should be getting two years of bad sex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: without knowing until like I started to date this other
Speaker 1: guy that I'm like, oh, you're asking me questions about
Speaker 1: what I like and what I want. That's we can do.
Speaker 1: That female pleasure is let me talk about this a lot,
Speaker 1: always kind of like a push aside, and you're like right, yeah.
Speaker 1: And so he I dated him for like three years.
Speaker 1: He was like a really great relationship for me, and
Speaker 1: he definitely was like he was studying psychology, so it's
Speaker 1: very in touch with his emotions and like how the
Speaker 1: brain and was the second guy, Yeah, I was like
Speaker 1: studying how the brain works and like cognitive therapy and
Speaker 1: things like that. So it was a very like open
Speaker 1: conversation where the other one is, uh, just going through
Speaker 1: the movements. Yeah, I was going to say, what did
Speaker 1: that that first person? Do that? Do you remember? I
Speaker 1: was trying to recall the first couple of people I
Speaker 1: had sex with him, and I was just so like
Speaker 1: non memorable at all. I feel like it was definitely
Speaker 1: always for him rather than for me. I also went
Speaker 1: through like a really bad eating disorder when I was
Speaker 1: in college, so I was like, we're not in touch
Speaker 1: with my body at all and like so that definitely
Speaker 1: played a big part in me which one mixt of
Speaker 1: them all. You know, I could never my body, thankfully,
Speaker 1: could never puke, so like in hindsight that thank god.
Speaker 1: But it was just a lot of like binging and
Speaker 1: purging in terms of like binging exercise like crazy and
Speaker 1: then like just not eating all day and then like
Speaker 1: binging you know, like a bag of pretzel sticks and
Speaker 1: then going to the gym for like two hours. Was
Speaker 1: there an experience that kind of triggered that or did
Speaker 1: it just slowly seep into you? It was like a
Speaker 1: slow seeping kind of things. I did a lot of
Speaker 1: sports in high school, and so then after I graduated
Speaker 1: high school, before I went to college, I just started
Speaker 1: running a lot more and then I would see like
Speaker 1: by accident, like losing weight a lot, and then it
Speaker 1: became this like weird mental game. So yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wrote about that in my book too, and that I
Speaker 1: think with uh, you know, like having sexual experiences for
Speaker 1: the first time was just so disconnected for me that
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, if he got off, that's great,
Speaker 1: because I'm just not in touch with my body right now,
Speaker 1: nor do I know how to explain it to someone.
Speaker 1: And so that's why, like the second like real relationship
Speaker 1: was great because it just opened up a lot of
Speaker 1: dialogue that I didn't even know was associated with each other.
Speaker 1: That I'm like, oh, if I feel better about my body,
Speaker 1: I have better sex. Okay. It turns out listened to
Speaker 1: my body and treat it. Okay, that this now gets
Speaker 1: better too, Like a lot of different different things get better.
Speaker 1: So that was definitely like a huge turning point. So
Speaker 1: when you dated that second guy, then did you the
Speaker 1: habits that were associated with your your eating disorder started
Speaker 1: to fade? Yeah, they started to fade. And like by
Speaker 1: the grace of him being just a great patient person
Speaker 1: and like understanding like looking at me, understanding like where
Speaker 1: these like triggers were coming from, and like why I
Speaker 1: was disconnected, and like giving me a safe space to
Speaker 1: kind of like work through. It was really really amazing
Speaker 1: and helpful. And then like you know, being more of
Speaker 1: just like we're now doing this for each other, like
Speaker 1: I want you to feel good and you want me
Speaker 1: to feel good, Like this is brand new, and I
Speaker 1: also want to feel good too. Turns out, so yeah,
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. Yeah, So that that was really fun.
Speaker 1: But he lived in a house with for other guys,
Speaker 1: so that he shared a room with a roommate and
Speaker 1: bes he had no privacy, couldn't. Yeah, there was no,
Speaker 1: There wasn't a ton of privacy, but uh it was fine.
Speaker 1: It was Rutgers. It was right, yeah, because you're from
Speaker 1: New Jersey too. Both my parents went to Rutgers. My
Speaker 1: best friend went to Rutgers. Like everyone went to Rutgers.
Speaker 1: People were really like, there's so much people are so
Speaker 1: obsessed with Rutgers in Jersey that like my uh my
Speaker 1: school was trying to get me to go to Ruckers
Speaker 1: and I was like, they don't even offer what I'm
Speaker 1: going to school for, so how would I When I
Speaker 1: go to change your major? I have to go eat
Speaker 1: that sandwiches? Oh my god, I didn't have until I
Speaker 1: was an adult. But well worth the way, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I know this um guy I didd went to. I
Speaker 1: went to Ramapo College, and he went to Ramappa and
Speaker 1: then transferred to Rutgers like the semester after I met him,
Speaker 1: and it was like, Okay, I guess now I sort
Speaker 1: of have go to Rutgers now. But then I just
Speaker 1: drive down there all the time. Oh my God, absolutely, Um,
Speaker 1: is there some are there any topics that you feel
Speaker 1: like people always come to you with, Like for us,
Speaker 1: it's like sexual assaultants beside. Yeah, And I was just
Speaker 1: wondering kind of because you're more like a you're a
Speaker 1: more lighthearted person, I would say, yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: what's that? Like, oh yeah, what's it like to like
Speaker 1: keep all the skeletons in the closet? The people? Well,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people come to me
Speaker 1: about a lot of young girls come to me about
Speaker 1: wanting to pursue comedy, especially like even more so years
Speaker 1: ago when like the rise of female comedians. It was
Speaker 1: this like trendy thing that was happening, and I just
Speaker 1: never like computed that because I never sell myself as
Speaker 1: like a girl in comedy. I just always saw myself
Speaker 1: as like I'm I'm pursuing comedy like everyone else's. And
Speaker 1: so when people started to ask questions constantly like what's
Speaker 1: it like being a girl in comedy, and like this
Speaker 1: is such a weird question that keeps like why what
Speaker 1: if I'm just a person in comedy and that my
Speaker 1: you know, point of view of what I think is
Speaker 1: funny happens to be female? Skewed because that's how I
Speaker 1: see the world and suarience it. Um. So a lot
Speaker 1: of young girls will come to me about that, and
Speaker 1: because I wrote more openly about like having an eating disorder, uh,
Speaker 1: that a lot of girls come for like self confidence tips,
Speaker 1: which I don't. I don't think anyone is like confident
Speaker 1: ever in the world. And so just being okay with
Speaker 1: not being okay. It's like the biggest thing I try
Speaker 1: to tell people that we're all like inner ping pong
Speaker 1: balls of like anxiety in our brain about something or another.
Speaker 1: And so just knowing that you don't have to know
Speaker 1: everything or have everything together. It's like invaluable. It's hard
Speaker 1: to remind yourself of that fundamentally, but I think it's important.
Speaker 1: I think those are kind of the main things that
Speaker 1: people come to those. Yeah, and just like how do
Speaker 1: you how do you come up with ideas and things
Speaker 1: like that, or how do I get started if I
Speaker 1: want to like do stuff on the internet sort of thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't. I mean maybe this is something you
Speaker 1: guys have gone through with the podcast of like how
Speaker 1: much you share versus how much you you decide not
Speaker 1: to share. That's gonna learn, like there's a learning curve
Speaker 1: on that because in the beginning, you know, when we
Speaker 1: start like, no one's gonna listen to this, so we
Speaker 1: really shared briefing, and then unfortunately some you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, just like there's good people and there's bad people.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes we get a little too much feedback where
Speaker 1: people get too intertwined in our real people trying to
Speaker 1: have sex with our ex boyfriends have to be like
Speaker 1: crying over them. It's like a little too much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's too much. But then also it's it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was single for the first like what
Speaker 1: three years of doing the podcast, and so when I
Speaker 1: ultimately got in a relationship after all these you know,
Speaker 1: trials and tribulations that I shared, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not really going to discuss this, um. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I made the mistake of trusting the listeners with the
Speaker 1: fact that my ex boyfriend UM was voting for Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: and that really because I was like, this is so interesting, UM,
Speaker 1: and that really backfired. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna just not sharing anymore. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that's the way you learn by getting h Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: getting earned a little bit, especially because I had such
Speaker 1: a I I go into things like with people having
Speaker 1: to earn my trust, like I'm certainly not someone who
Speaker 1: just gives trust immediately, and you know, like my literally
Speaker 1: my favorite show as X Files trust no one. So
Speaker 1: I mean there was not it was it was like
Speaker 1: I was like that was the worst person for that
Speaker 1: to happen too, because I was like, oh, now I'm
Speaker 1: a lock box and like nothing, um, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: It's fine. I it's interesting watching you because I know
Speaker 1: you're dating Brooks wheel and now and dated for a
Speaker 1: while yeah, yeah, a little over a year, and I
Speaker 1: like how open you are about it and we kind
Speaker 1: of discussing, like most people who share a lot of
Speaker 1: their relationship on the internet were fucking annoying. But it's
Speaker 1: not how you guys aren't like like did you discuss
Speaker 1: that you're both you're both known people. What was the
Speaker 1: kind of going into the relationship or so I had
Speaker 1: a I had a guy that I did it for
Speaker 1: four years that I moved to Los Angeles with, and
Speaker 1: like only like super fans kind of knew who I
Speaker 1: was dating because that was something I made like kind
Speaker 1: of a rule for myself when I started making videos
Speaker 1: that my videos are comedy first and anything about my
Speaker 1: life like second, and third that I wanted to share,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want to be a reality show online.
Speaker 1: And then you got to see the rise of all
Speaker 1: these kind of like people coupling up and using it
Speaker 1: as leverage for views, and it felt very like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like it just made me uncomfortable because a
Speaker 1: lot of those couples and never really break up and
Speaker 1: they make these public videos about it and it's just
Speaker 1: like fringe to and who really cares? But then we
Speaker 1: do care, and we hate ourselves for caring. And and
Speaker 1: I watched reality television like crazy because I do find
Speaker 1: it fascinating how humans go through hard times. But um, like,
Speaker 1: and I've had friends that have gotten such anxiety and
Speaker 1: like such pain because they wish that they hadn't shared
Speaker 1: things online about their personal lives. And you can't erase that,
Speaker 1: you can't take it back. And so that had always
Speaker 1: been like a very um kind of a thing in
Speaker 1: my brain of what would my how much of my
Speaker 1: sharing do I like try, like where's my comfort level
Speaker 1: in this? Because it's also some the guy was dating
Speaker 1: didn't care to not like didn't care either way about
Speaker 1: whether I shared it UM, which was nice and comforting
Speaker 1: for me to make the decision on my own. But
Speaker 1: then I dated um Chester c after this person who
Speaker 1: is a known YouTube person and we both like exist
Speaker 1: online and both social media all day long, so it
Speaker 1: was harder for that to be kept a secret. And
Speaker 1: he also wasn't a person like he shares everything online,
Speaker 1: so for him it was an interesting um to date
Speaker 1: someone that is very closed off online about her personal
Speaker 1: life and trying to find the happy medium that satisfies
Speaker 1: like both of us. And so we kind of like
Speaker 1: shared our relationship with that overtly saying we're in a relationship,
Speaker 1: but people asked it wouldn't be you know, we were
Speaker 1: like yeah, but we wouldn't just like use it as
Speaker 1: you know, fuel for views or things like that. And
Speaker 1: that was a little hard breaking up because as it
Speaker 1: was a more public relationship out there, then how long
Speaker 1: did you guys date? Like two years? Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: we were on and off a lot towards the end too,
Speaker 1: And so you get just messages of people that are
Speaker 1: really genuinely care but you're like please yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's like sweet and nice, like are you okay? But
Speaker 1: we're really good. Yeah, but then you realize, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they feel like they're part of your You've been they've
Speaker 1: been hanging out with you on the internet seven years.
Speaker 1: They do know a part of you. They about me
Speaker 1: than I know about myself. But then, um, but we
Speaker 1: we became really good friends after we broke up, which
Speaker 1: is really like the healthiest adult thing I've ever done,
Speaker 1: is like become friends with the next and realize like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're better friends, much much better as friends. So when
Speaker 1: Brooks and I started dating, it wasn't really discussed very much.
Speaker 1: I was just me. We actually met on a dating app,
Speaker 1: really yeah, but we Yeah, we met on Ryop. But
Speaker 1: I had known of him, like we have van diet
Speaker 1: of friends that just like completely overlap. I knew of
Speaker 1: him as a stand up for years and years, but
Speaker 1: just had never ever met him before. And it's actually
Speaker 1: I signed up for Rio because Memory talked me into
Speaker 1: it and she had been using it and we were
Speaker 1: like drunk in Iceland on like a girl's trip thing
Speaker 1: with Hannah, and then I was like, I'm making my
Speaker 1: profile now and so and then I got really overwhelmed
Speaker 1: with it because I like the way you could curated
Speaker 1: on that app. Yeah, it's really fun at first, and
Speaker 1: then it gets a little overwhelming and feels like it
Speaker 1: was just distracting me from like doing work because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to manage like conversations and stuff. And it's fascinating
Speaker 1: to see like who else is on this. That's honestly
Speaker 1: why I'm on. I don't even talk to anybody. I
Speaker 1: just sc did for like the first two weeks. Was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, there's some really it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fascinating. Haley Joe Hasmind. I got in trouble
Speaker 1: and I gotta keep screen cap and then they said
Speaker 1: that morning and then they said you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: screen cap. They're nice about it the first one morning
Speaker 1: and if they if you do it again, you're done.
Speaker 1: You it, which I do too, because I was trying
Speaker 1: to send it to memory and be like oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh god, I mean now
Speaker 1: all you got to do is get somebody else with
Speaker 1: a camera phone to take a picture of the screen
Speaker 1: and stuff that. But yeah, it's a little more complicated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we met on right and we were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have mutual friends. And at this point I had
Speaker 1: been talking to people, but had like talked to myself
Speaker 1: out of actually meeting up in real life because I
Speaker 1: would just get so nervous about I always assume I'm
Speaker 1: going to be kidnapped at some point in my life. Fear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just figured out. I fear I'm going to be bored. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that too. I'd rather be kidnapped at least that's a story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's other things. What if I get there. I
Speaker 1: tend to know, like immediately if I like someone or not,
Speaker 1: and so what do you do? And I'm also like,
Speaker 1: don't want to make someone feel bad, so I think
Speaker 1: I would like I just hate the fact that I
Speaker 1: would stick it out until it was appropriate. Like someone,
Speaker 1: I think you just have one drink with them and
Speaker 1: then you excuse Yeah, it's like, I want to meet
Speaker 1: up with people right away. I want to talk on
Speaker 1: this app because I don't know, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get to know you at all, and I'll know within
Speaker 1: the first ten minute, no exactly. And so that's when
Speaker 1: I had talked to myself out of like hanging out
Speaker 1: with all these people. And they had to travel the
Speaker 1: next day, and Brooks and I had started talking like
Speaker 1: back and forth, and in my brain, I was like,
Speaker 1: only if he asked me to get a drink tonight
Speaker 1: would I like grab a drink? Otherwise I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to talk myself out of hanging out with this
Speaker 1: person from this app and so like he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to grab a beer tonight? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you just told yourself that you would say yes. So
Speaker 1: we did, and I went to Mamory's house first, like
Speaker 1: help her put an audition on tape, and then I
Speaker 1: met up at a bar that was like down the
Speaker 1: street from her house. So I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: park my car here, I'm getting a beer. Because she
Speaker 1: had met him before and like didn't have a great
Speaker 1: interaction and she first met him, so she was like
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then because he was going through a hard time
Speaker 1: in his life when he met her and so romantically
Speaker 1: friends like south By Southwest, and it was just he
Speaker 1: was a Tasmanian devil going through like a hard breakup
Speaker 1: and She's just like, what the Yeah, sometimes you act
Speaker 1: like a bad first impression, and so I kind of
Speaker 1: had that in my brain. But then we hung out
Speaker 1: and it was just like very easy. I felt like
Speaker 1: I knew him forever, and I was just like one
Speaker 1: of those things I'm like, oh, yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: I've been looking for, Like someone that's funny, that is entertaining,
Speaker 1: that like is cool and interesting, likes to travel, like
Speaker 1: has a life going on, and so it's one of
Speaker 1: those immediate like oh, yes, I like this person. I
Speaker 1: hope they like me in situations. And then I didn't
Speaker 1: pick up my car until the next morning, so it
Speaker 1: was fun. Yeah, that spark is so rare that when
Speaker 1: you do come across, you're like, we mustn't let thee
Speaker 1: and I have been like I have been single for
Speaker 1: like a year, and I had just been kind of
Speaker 1: and hadn't been single for so long that I was
Speaker 1: like just going nuts kind of like you seem very
Speaker 1: relationship orienting. Yeah, I'm a Libra, so I'm very like
Speaker 1: codependent in that way, Like I like monogamy, long term
Speaker 1: relationship kind of things, like I don't scatter myself with
Speaker 1: a ton of friends. I have like a couple, Like really,
Speaker 1: is that a Libra thing? I think? So I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm a Libra two and I was like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't need a relationship, but I don't. I tend
Speaker 1: to like when I get in one, stay in one
Speaker 1: for a very long time. Yeah that's how I am, too. Um.
Speaker 1: And so I was kind of like meeting a bunch
Speaker 1: of people and hang out with a bunch of people
Speaker 1: for like a year. And then when I hung out
Speaker 1: with Brooks, I was like, oh, this is like everyone
Speaker 1: else that I had been casually seeing was interesting, but
Speaker 1: there was something in that, but I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to like this long term. Uh. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: when I met him, and he's also like a relationship
Speaker 1: based person too. Um. And so then yeah, when we
Speaker 1: started hanging out and like posting it, we didn't really
Speaker 1: have like a full conversation about it. It just kind
Speaker 1: of felt okay, which is interesting because that's what Memory
Speaker 1: went through the same thing. And we talked about it
Speaker 1: a lot because she was in a ten year relationship
Speaker 1: and no one knew. She kept it completely private, like
Speaker 1: hardly any people knew like who that she was even
Speaker 1: dating someone, let alone like who it was was a
Speaker 1: known person. It was something that she met in um,
Speaker 1: New York City and moved in with, and like they
Speaker 1: had a really great relationship for ten years and then
Speaker 1: they it ended and she was like, I haven't been
Speaker 1: single for ten years? What do I do? And then
Speaker 1: she met Chip, who's her current boyfriend, and she it
Speaker 1: was funny, long was she single for like a year
Speaker 1: and a half something like that, maybe two years um,
Speaker 1: and she had been like pursuing all these guys that
Speaker 1: were just kind of shitty. But it's one of those
Speaker 1: things that you're like, when your relationship based person, you're
Speaker 1: trying to like upsell this person to yourself. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then she met Chip, who's just like a perfect match
Speaker 1: for her, and so it's been fun to watch her
Speaker 1: transformation of someone that like kept something in completely private
Speaker 1: for ten years and now being like I love this person.
Speaker 1: I want the world to know it. To cruise. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: She's jumping on couches everywhere. But I think it's also
Speaker 1: you get older and you don't care as much about
Speaker 1: being too precious with how you present like your private life.
Speaker 1: I mean, I still like tow the line, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: when I first started, I think I was just very
Speaker 1: cautious of making sure that my private life was just
Speaker 1: for me because I saw it get out of control
Speaker 1: for a lot of people that overshared online and how
Speaker 1: that like fox with your brain mentally too, to feel
Speaker 1: like you owe the strangers like your life, but as
Speaker 1: the reason that you keep to yourself. I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's not even like about being too precious. It's just
Speaker 1: about like having something that is just for you to
Speaker 1: kind of like you talked about like a safe space before,
Speaker 1: so kind of like you're safe space. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: I try to figure out what my balance is of
Speaker 1: like talking about my life versus like having stuff it
Speaker 1: is just for me, because I do think, and that's
Speaker 1: something I tell people a lot advice wise, that you
Speaker 1: have to make sure that there's at least something that's
Speaker 1: just for you. You have to have some secrets. If
Speaker 1: you don't, then it's like you're gonna go crazy. You're
Speaker 1: gonna feel like the world knows everything, and then you
Speaker 1: have no sense of privacy anymore, and then I'll make
Speaker 1: you feel out of control. And so I I think,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of like mental health stuff
Speaker 1: too that I'm going through now with like just overall
Speaker 1: burnout creatively that I try my best not to talk
Speaker 1: about online, and I go back and forth of like
Speaker 1: do I just like make a video talking honestly about
Speaker 1: how I don't feel like making videos anymore, which is
Speaker 1: a conversation a lot of people are having. But then
Speaker 1: all so I think just being thirty two and feeling like, Okay,
Speaker 1: my world's kind of pivoting a little bit. I've been
Speaker 1: doing this for a long time, so what do I
Speaker 1: want to do next? And that can be overwhelming, So
Speaker 1: I keep that kind of anxiety offline as much as possible,
Speaker 1: um because and and getting feedback on that is not
Speaker 1: necessarily something that's gonna help. Yeah, I feel like a
Speaker 1: therapist is who should be giving you feedback on that
Speaker 1: kind of scenario, other than like sixteen year olds would
Speaker 1: mean well, I mean yeah, and that's yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: frustrating thing. I feel like I find solace. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but in oversharing, I'm just like an open
Speaker 1: I'm very extroverted. No, Hannah is the same way, and
Speaker 1: it's it's been fascinating to watch how she like, that's
Speaker 1: what she loves, like she gains energy and excitement by
Speaker 1: being able to like talk out everything that's going on
Speaker 1: in her because that's how I figure out what I
Speaker 1: should do by saying it out loud, and the time
Speaker 1: I talked the most is on the podcast, So I'll
Speaker 1: just use this opportunity to help mind map what I
Speaker 1: should do. No, it's good. I mean it's basically a
Speaker 1: free version of therapy. Yeah, it does feel like that.
Speaker 1: But then I don't know I have yet to the
Speaker 1: only the only time that I regretted it, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't really change at that point was when people
Speaker 1: were like hitting on Stephen after she broke up. That
Speaker 1: that's me. I mean, it's have you ten people out
Speaker 1: of hundreds of thousands, so it's like, you know, but still,
Speaker 1: but that's one person going and doing I just want
Speaker 1: to go up to them like why would you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you have you had like exs say like please
Speaker 1: don't talk about me or anything like that kind of
Speaker 1: the would work and be like you got to take
Speaker 1: this down or remove it. Take it. But I've said
Speaker 1: stuff about people that like friends or something, but not
Speaker 1: in a malicious way. And I didn't name them, but
Speaker 1: they knew I was talking about them that they didn't
Speaker 1: want that thing to be shared, and they felt like
Speaker 1: can I not have a conversation with you that's truly
Speaker 1: private and that. I was like, oh my god, that's terrible.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. So yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, do people that are in your friend groups now,
Speaker 1: do they have caution when they talk to you about stuff?
Speaker 1: I think we just have open conversation about don't share
Speaker 1: this please, and and I'm aware of, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they have this like anxiety that I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about this thing and I don't want that. That's not
Speaker 1: a friendship. Yeah, it's just like reminding the respect that
Speaker 1: you have. So if I ever want to talk about
Speaker 1: something that's not has nothing to do with me, I
Speaker 1: asked the person, Oh that makes sense. Yeah, I always ask,
Speaker 1: which is why it's like a hurtful when people will
Speaker 1: be like and that's change between us. I'm like, when
Speaker 1: have I ever said anything? I've never said anything without
Speaker 1: asking somebody, Like I'm like, I'm a great person to
Speaker 1: tell a secret to because like they're like, don't tell anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even have any friends, Like I
Speaker 1: try to talk as little as possible. So and it's
Speaker 1: also like kind of like, don't flatter yourself. If I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say anything, it's not going to be about you,
Speaker 1: Like it's going to be about me. Probably have other
Speaker 1: things going. Yeah I might. I might tell my dog,
Speaker 1: but he's a pretty safe guy. Oh you have a
Speaker 1: dog too, right, I do have a dog. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just want to talk about dogs all day. I should
Speaker 1: have asked you so I can pet them. Well, she can't.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. She is very very aggressive. So that's
Speaker 1: why she lives in my house on a hill, like
Speaker 1: locked away in a tower. But she's she's super super
Speaker 1: aggressive towards people and animals, so she like she could
Speaker 1: only be around a handful of people. Um yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: she's actually very respectful on that. For whatever. I feel
Speaker 1: like dogs pheromones and so she just leaves the room
Speaker 1: like rap. People that have dogs that just sit and
Speaker 1: stare and watch. My dog will paw the door the
Speaker 1: entire time. She's like, I see what's happening by and
Speaker 1: she'll just go sit on the couch like grumpy teenager.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's really funny, but she U. Yeah. I got
Speaker 1: her off of Craigslist. Um, and wasn't like was with
Speaker 1: my ex boyfriend when we just moved out here for
Speaker 1: like a year. That's how I knew like the relationship
Speaker 1: wasn't going well, is that I was very into getting
Speaker 1: a dog that I was like, I need unconditional love
Speaker 1: from something, and so that's what I tell And it
Speaker 1: has been a pattern for my friends in their relationships too,
Speaker 1: that they get a dog when the relationship has gone
Speaker 1: yeah's interesting, we've noticed it happened one and I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a really nice experience to
Speaker 1: co parent with Mike. You got it from He encouraged
Speaker 1: me a lot to get it. He was like, he pushed,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I got it faster because but
Speaker 1: also it's because it's a huge responsibility and it was
Speaker 1: really nice having someone else to help me with that totally.
Speaker 1: And that's what kind of was the bummer that happened.
Speaker 1: So I went I was looking at a bunch of
Speaker 1: different dogs, and the guy I was staying at the
Speaker 1: time wasn't against getting a dog, but he was like, sure,
Speaker 1: if you find you know one that you want, like,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Um. But went down saw this dog that
Speaker 1: was advertised as a frenchton a French bulldog Boston Terrier
Speaker 1: mix and that didn't really have photos. But I went
Speaker 1: down to like an hour outside the city to go
Speaker 1: see her, just to see her just to meet her.
Speaker 1: And this girl came out and she was like, sorry,
Speaker 1: I've been my dad's in the hospital. I've been at
Speaker 1: the hospital all day, so she hasn't been walked. And
Speaker 1: like I go into this apartment complex and she's just
Speaker 1: like in this common room and she's just like shift
Speaker 1: all over herself. But she's so she's like jumping and
Speaker 1: so excited and so happy. And they told me she
Speaker 1: was like ten months old. And she was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you're taking her today? And I was like what.
Speaker 1: I just literally came to look at I don't have
Speaker 1: to meet her. I don't have dog food at my house,
Speaker 1: Like I don't have anything. She's like no, I said,
Speaker 1: serious inquiries. Only my dad's in the hospital. I have
Speaker 1: to go back to the hospital right now. We can't.
Speaker 1: I need you to take her today. And I was
Speaker 1: just like me being a total pushover, which is like okay,
Speaker 1: is there a pet Co around here? And like drove
Speaker 1: to a pet Co, bought like Alicia bed, like just
Speaker 1: general stuff and then I had like texted my boyfriend
Speaker 1: at the time being like so we have a dog now,
Speaker 1: and like drove her back and she was great in
Speaker 1: the car, like love the car and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's cool, and then got her back and like quickly realized.
Speaker 1: We tried to introduce her to like our neighbor's dog,
Speaker 1: and she like freaked out and then tried to like
Speaker 1: she was just like, yeah, she had all these triggers
Speaker 1: that we couldn't figure out. And when I tried to
Speaker 1: like text the girl that I got her from or
Speaker 1: call her, she just stopped returning on my phone calls.
Speaker 1: Told me that she gets along with dogs, that her
Speaker 1: sister had two dogs that she got along with all
Speaker 1: this stuff that I was like, this is all a lie.
Speaker 1: I just got now this dog. And so we had
Speaker 1: her for a couple of years. Then he and I
Speaker 1: actually broke up while she was in we put her
Speaker 1: in this like three month boarding training program that he
Speaker 1: had found, which was great and so helpful because we
Speaker 1: put her in a program before and it just did
Speaker 1: not work at all. And we actually broke up, like
Speaker 1: in the middle of her being in that boarding scenario.
Speaker 1: And was there any question who would keep a dog?
Speaker 1: I would assume that he just was like he was
Speaker 1: over the fact that she was difficult to be like,
Speaker 1: I didn't get a cool dog for us, and so
Speaker 1: he didn't want the responsibility of it. And I fully
Speaker 1: got that because I was like more proponent of like
Speaker 1: wanting a dog in the first place. Um, And so
Speaker 1: I kept the dog. And then when I dated Chester,
Speaker 1: he made a huge effort to get along with her,
Speaker 1: and then she ended up like finally like really letting
Speaker 1: him in. So he watches her a lot. We like
Speaker 1: co parent now basically, which has been so helpful because
Speaker 1: traveling so much. I traveled so much. Yeah, thankfully the
Speaker 1: boarding training facility that she went to still like she
Speaker 1: can go there when I leave, which is great. But
Speaker 1: she just loved chest her so much that it's nice
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, you have another person that you're good around. Um,
Speaker 1: but she was, Yeah, that is something that I kept
Speaker 1: offline a lot, Like how difficult of a creature she
Speaker 1: is to own that, And like my parents turned town
Speaker 1: and people can be around her if they don't make
Speaker 1: eye contact with her and they don't touch her. My
Speaker 1: parents dog is like that or whatever. I come on,
Speaker 1: don't look at them, don't look at it. It's very yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's so cute that you want to touch her,
Speaker 1: you want to pet her. But I'm like she's been
Speaker 1: a couple of people that I'm like, they could probably
Speaker 1: sue me if they wanted to, but their next friends
Speaker 1: that like understood that she got riled up. So it's uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a little bit of a difficult thing. But she's
Speaker 1: very sweet. She loves me, So that's what's Ah. I
Speaker 1: like that my dog doesn't like everyone. I think it's
Speaker 1: hilarious quality. Yeah, it's she's very but she gets really
Speaker 1: happy when humans are around. But it's like if they
Speaker 1: can look at her, she just like senses like hesitation,
Speaker 1: and I think she sees it as like now I
Speaker 1: need to protect. Yeah, it's crazy how much dogs can
Speaker 1: sense fear. Oh it's nuts. You must give off a
Speaker 1: scent of certain smell in your phrase because slightest. Also,
Speaker 1: I used to live around the reservoir in Silver Lake
Speaker 1: and I would walk her at night because there weren't
Speaker 1: as many people or dogs around. And but then we
Speaker 1: got an infestation walk right, you know, we got like
Speaker 1: an infestation of coyotes one year there. They attacked her
Speaker 1: twice when I had her on a walk. It was
Speaker 1: so to fight a coyote, basically I had to Well
Speaker 1: what happened was uh, so I was walking her at
Speaker 1: like nine o'clock at night, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: just out of and I had seen coyotes in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood a little bit. Then found out like weeks later
Speaker 1: that they had created like a den like behind our
Speaker 1: like a couple of houses down from me, like on
Speaker 1: the other side of the road. Nuts, because it was
Speaker 1: like popping season, like they're like breeding season, and so
Speaker 1: they create dens to have babies. Yeah, and so they
Speaker 1: were all like being out at night because they're I
Speaker 1: guess they're not. That's her horrifying, yeah, And so I'm
Speaker 1: walking her and then also just out of a bush,
Speaker 1: one jumps at her, and she like like barks at
Speaker 1: it and tries to bite it, and it like walks away,
Speaker 1: but then it starts like slowly following up. So scared,
Speaker 1: and then I started screaming at it, like get away,
Speaker 1: get away, just like screaming at the top of my
Speaker 1: lungs at nine o'clock at night and it's still walking
Speaker 1: towards us, and I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: going to have to fight a coyote. And then this
Speaker 1: woman came out of her house and she was like,
Speaker 1: are you Okay, you know, like this coyote is following me,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And so then yeah,
Speaker 1: and Goose is going nuts on the leash, like trying
Speaker 1: to get at it. Her name's Goose. Yeah, she's a
Speaker 1: cute um. And so then this woman was like, you
Speaker 1: can't walk your dog at night. They followed my husband
Speaker 1: and our dog, who's like a giant dog. She's like
Speaker 1: they stopped in like the whole last night when they
Speaker 1: were on a walk. And then I was on the
Speaker 1: Kyote goes on top of a garage and there's three
Speaker 1: other coyotes just backlit by the moon, and they're all howling,
Speaker 1: and the woman's like on the front are like yelling
Speaker 1: at the coyotes, and I'm like there and I called
Speaker 1: Chester because I was like a block away from my house.
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to get the car and
Speaker 1: come pick Goose and up because I don't trust to
Speaker 1: like walk around the block there's three coyotes. And the
Speaker 1: woman like went back inside her house, and so Chester
Speaker 1: was like pulled around the corner and I just start
Speaker 1: running with Goose to the car, but I can hear
Speaker 1: them like howling behind me, and I'm like don't look back,
Speaker 1: don't back and got her in the car. But it
Speaker 1: was so horrifying. Yeah, And do they just come up
Speaker 1: and bite. I mean they're just yeah, they're stalking, like
Speaker 1: depending on the size. Yeah, that they're just stalking any predators.
Speaker 1: They're protecting their den, which is what they guess. They
Speaker 1: don't they wouldn't eat. I don't know Cyrus's dog got eaten,
Speaker 1: And once it happened to Cyrus, I was like anyone
Speaker 1: and then animals, yeah, well they would grab it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there was a bunch of like skunks and raccoons
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood at some point too, and so I
Speaker 1: think they were like stepping out skunks. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that's really what was happening, because they we found out
Speaker 1: like two weeks later that I guess the guy that
Speaker 1: lived on the other side of the block was like
Speaker 1: not mentally all there, and he was taking care of
Speaker 1: his mother. He was like an older man anyway, and
Speaker 1: the mom passed away. But then he passed away like
Speaker 1: shortly after and people didn't know, and so the kyotes
Speaker 1: took over his backyard and that's where they built their den. Story.
Speaker 1: But so I'm like, well that's adding another trigger for Goose,
Speaker 1: like this is basically a dog is attacking her, so
Speaker 1: of course she's not gonna like other dogs. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then there was one on my front yard, um like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later, and was like, up by
Speaker 1: my front door and just not walk by them. Are
Speaker 1: they going to the human no idea, I don't. I
Speaker 1: bought coyote spray bear spray you can get on Amazon.
Speaker 1: It's basically like bear spray or like some form of
Speaker 1: mace scenario. And yeah, I keep that like with me
Speaker 1: at all times. It's kind of the Yeah, it's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that I moved. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long these kadios are going to
Speaker 1: be here. I don't feel safe like taking my dog
Speaker 1: out or like leaving my house for the day and
Speaker 1: her like being in the yard, and like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even bring Alfred to l A. That's how
Speaker 1: scared I am. Coyotes, Like he's not even allowed in
Speaker 1: the city. They're a real thing. And it was funny.
Speaker 1: I told Hannah about that and she was like, what
Speaker 1: do they look like. I was like, they look like malnourished,
Speaker 1: like wolves, And she's like oh that. I definitely turned
Speaker 1: one in my yard. I thought it was like a
Speaker 1: loose dog and I was like looking at it, being like, hi,
Speaker 1: I would do that. I was like, that was like coyote,
Speaker 1: don't feed it. She's like, oh yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: like try and help it. Don't do that at the
Speaker 1: ermy coyote in my living room. Ac people a lot
Speaker 1: of times a dog walkers thinking a dog that's like
Speaker 1: ready to attack him and they walk in it. Yeah. Ready, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: guys for having me really fun. I'm glad I got
Speaker 1: to do it. You guys were so fun on my podcast,
Speaker 1: So yeah, we had a good time. Is there anything
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Speaker 1: mentioned that a couple of times, Um, Grayson's Style and
Speaker 1: Grace's Guide. There's two ones, a self help book and
Speaker 1: one's like a style guide, and both of them are stupid.
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