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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast
Speaker 1: presented by New Era. My name is Dan hansis joined
Speaker 1: in the room filled with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. What is up boys? Hey Dan? A
Speaker 1: little update on the Dernissance. Well, we have a friend
Speaker 1: here at NFL Media, Tara Deaker, who is friends with
Speaker 1: Laura Dern and multiple other high level celebrities. So I'm
Speaker 1: very suspicious of whatever tars doing outside of work. But um,
Speaker 1: the message got to Laura Dern that she was the
Speaker 1: centerpiece of a segment on our show, and she said,
Speaker 1: thank you for acknowledging my Dernissance. That's it. Not like
Speaker 1: I'd love to come on the show my favorite team.
Speaker 1: It's just it's an opening sal But we could we
Speaker 1: could make that. We could try. Although Deaker seemed to
Speaker 1: want I asked if I context Laura Dern and just
Speaker 1: say thank you for thanking us. Did not allow me
Speaker 1: on her phone to do that at all? Well, asking
Speaker 1: for her Yeah, the phone number seems maybe a step too. No,
Speaker 1: I was gonna be on her phone and she said, no,
Speaker 1: this will not be happening. You've grown used to taking
Speaker 1: liberties with other people's phones, but she usually surrendered to
Speaker 1: you with no qualms. Deaker knows that. So there, what
Speaker 1: do you mean phones? What do you got? What's cooking
Speaker 1: with you and phones? Well? He often you know that
Speaker 1: he writes little you know modern syr no di Bergerac
Speaker 1: love letters to people on dating site forget. Well, that's
Speaker 1: that could be a whole side. He said, control of
Speaker 1: my phone on dating sites before it's four, it's four
Speaker 1: four friends people gave up to Yeah, you're not like
Speaker 1: hacking into Yeah, I took David really, he was. He
Speaker 1: was about to go on this high octane date based
Speaker 1: on all the work I did. He really took over
Speaker 1: the conversation. No date ever happened. So, speaking of which,
Speaker 1: we don't know if Really is going to be West's
Speaker 1: best man for the Way Sing next year. We've got
Speaker 1: an idea, but nothing's official. Um. He also, if he
Speaker 1: ends up defying the odds and gets invited to US's wedding,
Speaker 1: is somehow the best man in a highly unlikely scenario,
Speaker 1: he's got to get a date two. So maybe if
Speaker 1: that ever happened, that would be phase two of Eli's
Speaker 1: involvement with the show during SU we're getting out of
Speaker 1: phase one on this plan, but probably not. By the way,
Speaker 1: this is our first Wednesday show since we went back
Speaker 1: to three times a week, and it will be for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, I believe, at least through training Camp
Speaker 1: our video show. So if you want to see what
Speaker 1: all these bozos look like, you know, in the flesh, UH,
Speaker 1: you can check out the Around the NFL Video Show,
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Speaker 1: Today's show a lot to get to because teams are
Speaker 1: now all reporting for camp as we know, so so
Speaker 1: much to talk about, UH, including a big, big deal
Speaker 1: UH involving the Los Angeles Rams and another RAMS star
Speaker 1: that didn't get a deal who because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a deal, isn't with the Rams. So we'll talk about
Speaker 1: all that. Uh. And also we will debut a new segment.
Speaker 1: Always good to debut news segments where we're like seven
Speaker 1: thousand shows deep, so let's get to like work some
Speaker 1: new in the mix. Right. You can't just rest on
Speaker 1: your laurels. No, I mean that's absolutely true. You won't
Speaker 1: get very far. I always I think it'd be fun
Speaker 1: for one off season to do, you know, segments that
Speaker 1: we've ever done before. What do you think about this
Speaker 1: challenge for next off I mean you you openly disdain
Speaker 1: many of our segments, so I see, I'm a suspicious
Speaker 1: of the aloems like a lot of work. Let's say
Speaker 1: off season four, anyway, a new segment, Fly on the Wall.
Speaker 1: What if you could be a fly on the wall
Speaker 1: at any facility, uh in the country during training camp?
Speaker 1: What would you like to be on a fly? Fly
Speaker 1: on the wall and like to see in here? That is,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a fly on the wall
Speaker 1: and Patriots camp, Belichick just takes out the swattering wash'll
Speaker 1: be squashed. Um, all right, So that's what's coming up
Speaker 1: on the show. But before we do that, way, say
Speaker 1: hi to our producer Lindsay fault On. Um, you'll be
Speaker 1: going on vacation soon. So this is your last show
Speaker 1: for a bit. That's correct. I will be gone for
Speaker 1: about three shows, going up into the wilderness, hiking in
Speaker 1: the Allegheny Mountains. Oh boy, with with who with my family?
Speaker 1: Can I recommend a book for you, Bill Bryson, Walk
Speaker 1: in the Woods a great book. It's from walking from
Speaker 1: one end of the Allegheny Trail to the other. Really,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I'll write that down. I actually was looking
Speaker 1: for some books. Um. I'm a little nervous though, because
Speaker 1: my friend who's already there, So they've had a five
Speaker 1: hundred pound bear and four cubs on their porch this morning.
Speaker 1: So well it's problematic. Wait, you're camping, but you have
Speaker 1: a porch, Well they have they stay in a cabin.
Speaker 1: Not just done it. I want to get like a
Speaker 1: spectrum of how rustic this trip will be that puts
Speaker 1: it somewhere between two and three. It's pretty pretty rustic.
Speaker 1: There's like houses that haven't been pumped in god knows
Speaker 1: how many decades. It's pretty disgusting. I'm not a big
Speaker 1: fan of the idea of camping. It just seems, you know,
Speaker 1: problematic itself in general. But I did, uh the Today
Speaker 1: Show was on in the background of my home in
Speaker 1: the morning, as it often is, my wife is pound
Speaker 1: the table for the Today's show. And they now have
Speaker 1: tents that get you can buy them and they basically
Speaker 1: are on your car roof and then they can just
Speaker 1: be assembled on the roof. Put me up there. Are
Speaker 1: you guys gonna take your kids? Kid? That's a big
Speaker 1: decision whether you take your kids camping. Oh, I definitely would,
Speaker 1: But have you they're they're getting it. We've can we've
Speaker 1: camped a little in the backyard. And the book you're
Speaker 1: talking about, he goes from Maine to Georgia on the
Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail. That takes like four months. Oh it's yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't make it all the way. One book. One
Speaker 1: book not to read into the wild, right. I feel
Speaker 1: like campion is like a lot like religion with your family,
Speaker 1: Like if you were if you grew up no religion
Speaker 1: or no camping, that's not something you're gonna just start
Speaker 1: doing out of nowhere. At least that's my experience. It
Speaker 1: also feels like I just kinda like start the trend,
Speaker 1: let's start doing it. Well, unless the significant other had
Speaker 1: that in their roots, but you're in there is a
Speaker 1: bit of a regression there. I mean, it's like, let's
Speaker 1: go live how people did a hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: years ago. At this point, I just I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make sure Dan can't. Dan. We have about roughly a
Speaker 1: news items to get to and we're camping things pretty good. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do some news. I know you're all about this
Speaker 1: year and all understand us, right, and um, I'm doing
Speaker 1: my job. I didn't ask about last year. Yeah, last
Speaker 1: year's last year. I'm not focused on last year. What
Speaker 1: about the fact that everywhere we go folks want to
Speaker 1: ask about Malcolm Butler and we'll talk about that, that's
Speaker 1: multiple months ago. Is going to be any more explanation
Speaker 1: about why he didn't play? It? Focused on training camp?
Speaker 1: Did you do it any differentely? Training camp? Well, we're
Speaker 1: getting started. We'll work on that right now. We'll do
Speaker 1: it the best we can. Let me say that, gude,
Speaker 1: he's kind of ruined my life, at least as a
Speaker 1: football fan. But I will miss that man when he's gone. Belichick, Belichick,
Speaker 1: I won't miss Dan. Dan Haughnessy, who is the man
Speaker 1: asking that? Hey, he had to ask the question? An
Speaker 1: infamous an infamous reporter in the Boston area. He's basically,
Speaker 1: if you want a guy to go just Annoy Belichick,
Speaker 1: you send you send Dan Shaughnessy, but is famously called
Speaker 1: HB the Curly Haired Boyfriend by former sock player Carl Everett.
Speaker 1: I once this this out old, I am. I once
Speaker 1: read a column of or a book of Dan Chaughnessy columns,
Speaker 1: and it was definitely in the nine Oh yeah, he
Speaker 1: came up with the curse. Wow, we're really off topic.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Los Angeles Rams and a big,
Speaker 1: big signing for the team. The Rams and running back
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley have agreed to terms on a four year
Speaker 1: contract extension worth up to sixty million forty five million
Speaker 1: and guarantees rap she'd had this, uh that keeps girly
Speaker 1: in l A or should um for the next six
Speaker 1: seasons through UH. And that is the largest amount of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money forty five million ever for a running back.
Speaker 1: A lot of wheat, Greg Rosenthal, you wrote about Gurley
Speaker 1: and the amount of money got paid that which would
Speaker 1: raise eyebrows considering we were in the era where running
Speaker 1: backs don't tend to get paid. But you think, Greg,
Speaker 1: this should just be the start of a trend. I
Speaker 1: think it will. I think the Rams were smart to
Speaker 1: get ahead of it. A lot of people immediately say, like,
Speaker 1: don't why do you why would you pay running backs? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, Todd Gurley, Zico Elliott, David Johnson, Levan Bell,
Speaker 1: they're all gonna get paid over the next year or two.
Speaker 1: And they are all difference making backs, big backs that
Speaker 1: can play every down, And so they're getting that contract
Speaker 1: out of the way. First, those guys are probably gonna
Speaker 1: wind up making more than Todd Gurley. Second, it's guarantees,
Speaker 1: not guaranteed money. So we haven't quite seen all all
Speaker 1: the deals, you know, all the details, Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I want to see that. And then most importantly, he's
Speaker 1: twenty three years old. He's twenty three years old and
Speaker 1: has already been an offensive Player of the year. They're
Speaker 1: not signing Sean Alexander at thirty one years old, or
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson, who was limited in some aspects of his game,
Speaker 1: or Adrian Peterson's last contract. They're signing a guy who
Speaker 1: can do everything, and they have him locked up for
Speaker 1: six years in the middle of his prime. The same
Speaker 1: people that are criticizing how much money they gave him,
Speaker 1: are going to be saying three years from now, Wow,
Speaker 1: this guy is really underpaid, because he will be underpaid
Speaker 1: in three years. That's just how these things. You made
Speaker 1: a good point in your right up. That are we
Speaker 1: trying to say that these four it's not every starting
Speaker 1: running back that's gonna get paid this way. There's a
Speaker 1: small collection of guys that do everything for you, A
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell, Todd Gurley, and that are we trying
Speaker 1: to say that they're running back money should be lower
Speaker 1: than a Sammy Watkins or the ninth or eleventh, tenth
Speaker 1: best receiver in the league. He's setting less than Nate Solder.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still getting less than Nate Solder. You
Speaker 1: can't tell me he's not more valuable than Nates Soldier. Well,
Speaker 1: there is position scarcity, and that's why Nate Soldier gets
Speaker 1: paid because it's much easier to find a running back
Speaker 1: than a left tackle. But the Sammy Watkins point is
Speaker 1: a good one, because wide receivers is not a scarce position.
Speaker 1: You can find a wide receiver. Why would Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: get paid more than a guy like Todd Gurley or
Speaker 1: David Jonson? And I would argue running back like Gurley
Speaker 1: is a scarce position to that level of and I
Speaker 1: think he really does till the field. But none of
Speaker 1: you can put like say James White, and um, I
Speaker 1: don't know who's a great running back who's not involved
Speaker 1: in the passing game. There probably aren't many anymore. But
Speaker 1: if you put like a good two down back with James, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could get for a very cheap contract, you could
Speaker 1: get Todd Gurley level production. And speaking of great running
Speaker 1: backs that are scarcely just because of their skill, Ot
Speaker 1: levy on Bell, who has been trying to get this
Speaker 1: type of deal for years with Pittsburgh. He tweeted after
Speaker 1: the news got out, L O L and people thought
Speaker 1: I was tripping. Yeah. Do we look at the Steelers
Speaker 1: and say they did not get they did not handle
Speaker 1: this correctly. I from the Steelers perspective, I can't kill him.
Speaker 1: They pay him twenties. First of all, he's already getting
Speaker 1: paid a lot. He's getting paid like a top five
Speaker 1: player at any position. He's gotten twenty six million dollars
Speaker 1: over the last two years. I think they're kind of
Speaker 1: okay with letting him sign a big deal elsewhere after
Speaker 1: getting another four hundred touches out him. With that said,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy and he makes it to free agency,
Speaker 1: I fully expect him to blow this Todd Gurley deal
Speaker 1: out of the water, because you're gonna have to. He
Speaker 1: also has a bad knee injury mensions off the field stuff.
Speaker 1: Four years ago. I've always it always started. It started
Speaker 1: to feel like to me that the Steelers are going
Speaker 1: the route that the Cowboys once went with DeMarco Murray.
Speaker 1: Use him up and then let somebody else over pay
Speaker 1: for a guy in the back end of his prime.
Speaker 1: And other Rams news Aaron Donald Donald who's also been
Speaker 1: trying to get paid forever. As he watches his teammates
Speaker 1: new teammate Brandon Cooks and Gurley get big contracts, Donald
Speaker 1: can't get paid. Uh, So he begins training camp not
Speaker 1: with the team, and if you remember Mark Lastie's and
Speaker 1: he also sat out all the training camp before rejoining
Speaker 1: the team, and once he got in the action, he
Speaker 1: was still an impact player. But are we head that
Speaker 1: way again? Well West wrote up a great piece on
Speaker 1: this talking about the Rams sort of team building in
Speaker 1: cap space, so I'll save that for him. But the
Speaker 1: one thing I think that's tricky is if you're Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: you have to see what happens with Khalil Mack and
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders. I don't think you want to be
Speaker 1: the guys signing the contract first. You probably want to
Speaker 1: come off that contract and make better off of that.
Speaker 1: And the Rams have said we've planned for this signing,
Speaker 1: but General manager Less Sneak called it a very tricky,
Speaker 1: complex situation. He's already said they're gonna make Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive player in the league. They've allocated
Speaker 1: the resources in their cap to make sure they have
Speaker 1: the space to do that. I think all the criticism
Speaker 1: of the Rams for signing Cooks and Girlely before Donald
Speaker 1: is misplaced, because, first of all, you don't know how
Speaker 1: much you don't know. Anyone criticizing the you don't know
Speaker 1: what kind of due diligence they've done. You don't know
Speaker 1: if Donald's representatives are holding up a deal waiting for
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. You don't know how much you don't know.
Speaker 1: So to me, what's interesting now is Donald has to
Speaker 1: report a month before the start of the season, or
Speaker 1: else he loses a year of free agency, which would
Speaker 1: make him a restrictive free agent. Are his agents like
Speaker 1: so confident that he's that good of a player that
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if he's restricted or unrestricted, They're still
Speaker 1: gonna get a huge payday regardless. I think the criticism
Speaker 1: is insane, all the people pointing out how does Cooks
Speaker 1: and Girly well, because first of all, they're getting paid
Speaker 1: far less. I bet if you combine their true guaranteed
Speaker 1: money of those two deals, it won't add up to
Speaker 1: what Aaron Donald also the right and what Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: does probably already being offered. There's reports out there that
Speaker 1: he's already been offered, you know, to be the highest
Speaker 1: paid defensive player easily. And what does it really matter
Speaker 1: what the order is? I have absolutely doesn't. I have
Speaker 1: absolutely no doubt that he is going to be a
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Ram for a long time, and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: confident he'll won't be on the field again until he
Speaker 1: has a new contract. So just I think some of
Speaker 1: the Rams fans are from down Dan, stop being so
Speaker 1: fired up about it. Dan does not look fired up
Speaker 1: at all. But they also this, this happened last year.
Speaker 1: Donald stuff, I got, I got. This is that time
Speaker 1: of year where there's about eight of these sort of
Speaker 1: annoying situations, just hanging out there in the atmosphere. Julio
Speaker 1: Jones and not planning to report to camp on Thursday.
Speaker 1: According to rap Sheet, he is comfortable sitting out all
Speaker 1: of camp. Rapp a Board added Julio skipped all offseason
Speaker 1: team workouts. Uh. He did attend to Matt Ryan passing camp.
Speaker 1: He wants a new deal. He's got three years left
Speaker 1: on his current deal. Uh. And the Falcons have indicated
Speaker 1: that they are looking to get contracts done with players
Speaker 1: that have a more pressing contract issue than him, So
Speaker 1: they're playing this is a businessman, apparently a very good businessman,
Speaker 1: Julio Jones is, and he's using the leverage of being
Speaker 1: one of the best wide receivers alive and hoping when
Speaker 1: something comes of that. I mean, get what you can.
Speaker 1: But I would say in this situation he has very
Speaker 1: little average doesn't seem like he does. Uh, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: But it's also inspired some of the worst commentary in
Speaker 1: Atlanta about It's some radio host saint he his his
Speaker 1: his his ten year old son had to change the
Speaker 1: desktop on his computer because not his desktop. Julio Jones
Speaker 1: is no longer a person that he can look up
Speaker 1: to because he's like, he's money hungry and another guy,
Speaker 1: I believe his co host or a guy on the radar,
Speaker 1: I trade his. But if he doesn't show up yet,
Speaker 1: Greg wont be playing on that show anytime soon. What
Speaker 1: ten year old is still using a desktop computer on
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, Well, it's the man's own
Speaker 1: computer and he needs to really, how can we explain
Speaker 1: this to the to the children. Ten year old is
Speaker 1: listening to a radio show? Uh. In other Falcons news,
Speaker 1: general manager Thomas di mitch Off and head coach Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn both get three year extensions. This is how it
Speaker 1: should be done, My stupid team. They always mess this up.
Speaker 1: You get a pairing that you like, You keep them
Speaker 1: on the same deals together, you keep everything in lockstep.
Speaker 1: The Falcons are doing things the right way. You don't
Speaker 1: feel the Jets have that thread at the moment, not
Speaker 1: very rarely. Doesn't seem like this always seems like a
Speaker 1: no brainer. But you see it across the NFL where
Speaker 1: the contracts are mismatched between the coaching and general manager,
Speaker 1: and that is such a key partnership. Like what Rhoda
Speaker 1: World said in a bit bit of a cynical that
Speaker 1: they thought this was simply done now to take Julio
Speaker 1: Jones out of the A storyline. Oh my god, Rhoda
Speaker 1: World is one of these people that like the hit
Speaker 1: in I saw like Bill Barnwell or something tweet about this.
Speaker 1: What you give these guys extensions mon folio Jones, Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, they're not players, they're coaches, and youbably
Speaker 1: done weeks and months and you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about setting a precedent for other coaches in general managers
Speaker 1: in your organization that will like, it's just insane, the
Speaker 1: amount of comedy from people who think they know more
Speaker 1: than team demotrof is. He's a gangster. Like not many
Speaker 1: uh not many gms have had the job as long
Speaker 1: as he has, and very few ever pull it off
Speaker 1: with like two contract extensions with different coaches. That when
Speaker 1: that's the next that's the top level of gms, when
Speaker 1: you can have different coaches and you're still getting contracts.
Speaker 1: You learned that sotting the Cleveland Brown Stadium field under
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick back in the day, absolutely and non contract talk.
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback recovering from reconstructive knee surgery,
Speaker 1: likely headed to the pop list to start the training
Speaker 1: camp for the Eagles. Rap Sheet reported that the most
Speaker 1: likely cautious scenario is that once begins on the pup list,
Speaker 1: UH and any player placed in that list, of course,
Speaker 1: can come off at any time, so this shouldn't necessarily
Speaker 1: be read as a situation mark where he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be ready for the start of the season. That still
Speaker 1: seems like the goal in a reachable goal, but he's not.
Speaker 1: All systems go a long way away from week one.
Speaker 1: There's plenty again, it's anohing where there's players all over
Speaker 1: the league where you're taking the cautious approach, and this
Speaker 1: is the most important player on your roster, why not?
Speaker 1: Why not starting Nick Foles the first four weeks if
Speaker 1: you have any concerns whatsoever. I know, two weeks. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's out of the realm of possionelity. This
Speaker 1: is the one injury that well, we'll be watching week
Speaker 1: after week in camp, and I don't think it's crazy
Speaker 1: to imagine full starting week one. Everyone. R G three
Speaker 1: came back from his knee surgery and during UH like
Speaker 1: spring minicamp, he released a hashtag mission accomplished. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: generally that tag doesn't work for people that George. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna say it's typically that doesn't have a good
Speaker 1: track record, the missioncomplished. It was something missing telling me
Speaker 1: three came up with a hashtag. It was like maybe
Speaker 1: hashtag no problems here, Yeah, something like hard to believe
Speaker 1: that guy didn't have a bump or stick or a hashtag.
Speaker 1: I found it. I found that a random article. I
Speaker 1: was going through my archives for some reason, and well,
Speaker 1: I was looking for a specific article that that was
Speaker 1: the reason. I'm just trying to get airtime. And there
Speaker 1: was an article I wrote in two thousand twelve and
Speaker 1: it was Andrew Luck explains why he doesn't take as
Speaker 1: many endorsements as r G three, And I thought about
Speaker 1: like people were like, oh, yeah, Andrew Luck, what a
Speaker 1: great guy. RG three was smart to take all that money.
Speaker 1: I mean, why not take all that endoor it? You
Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen. Look at what has
Speaker 1: happened to him. Yeah, smart man, very strong opinions on
Speaker 1: taking endorsement money. I'm sorry, I'm trying to google to
Speaker 1: find what the hashtag was. It was. It was like
Speaker 1: a t shirt. He was right. I'll find it by that,
Speaker 1: of course I will, even if it takes me out
Speaker 1: of the podcast completely. Moving on Baltimore Ravens head coach
Speaker 1: John Horriba, you know all this talk about Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: and Joe Flacco. I'm very excited about it because of
Speaker 1: that sports movie, as West uh figured out on Monday show. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know a lot of drama around the rookie
Speaker 1: and the veteran, the Super Bowl winning veteran. But John
Speaker 1: Harbor says, hey, everybody, and speaking of r G three,
Speaker 1: it's gonna nicely connect. Harbor says, we're gonna see the
Speaker 1: rook one way or another. He's gonna be out there
Speaker 1: taking snaps. According to the Toronto Sun. Uh, what's the
Speaker 1: Toronto Sun doing that? Lamar is also an exclusive John
Speaker 1: Crick of the Toronto Sun. By the way, he was
Speaker 1: the only person that had this information. Lamar is also
Speaker 1: a weapon for us who can play quarterback. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna play Lamar quarterback. So we're gonna play all of
Speaker 1: our good players. I don't see why we wouldn't. You've
Speaker 1: got this first. He even gave Son's John Creick a
Speaker 1: shout out. Mark I loved it. I had to write
Speaker 1: this up and then two things. Number One, I think, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, I'll get into that in a second. But
Speaker 1: the the Ravens I think are or I really looked
Speaker 1: at this with a suspicious eye when this whole started,
Speaker 1: in these training camp plays and stuff. I really think
Speaker 1: they want to find a way to use him, and
Speaker 1: I think it's legit. They're probably just trying to out
Speaker 1: how who do you have to take off the field
Speaker 1: to do that. But number two, this is like the
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth day in a row that Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: is like dotting the NFL dot com website and we're there.
Speaker 1: We had I think three Lamar Jackson stories either yesterday
Speaker 1: in the day before combined. And I can tell already
Speaker 1: that he's one of these guys that our news desk
Speaker 1: anytime he speaks, opens his eyes, rolls out of bed,
Speaker 1: drives across town to get a sandwich, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: writing a story about it. Well, he's exciting, he's an
Speaker 1: exciting player. I'm just saying, when he starts playing, maybe
Speaker 1: that'll be exciting. But I don't think we need to
Speaker 1: like spend uh four days out of a week talking
Speaker 1: about Lamar Jackson, who's going to be on the field
Speaker 1: four times in a month. It's it's great pr to
Speaker 1: play in that Hall of Fame game because you get
Speaker 1: a whole week of news by yourself, podcast, NFL network
Speaker 1: really on top of the world at that point, aren't you.
Speaker 1: You can't pay for that. It's kind of weird to
Speaker 1: me though, that he basically is saying RG three has,
Speaker 1: I don't know, no chance to be a backup, or
Speaker 1: they would keep all three quarterbacks active on game day
Speaker 1: because he was making it clear not only will he
Speaker 1: be active, he will be playing snaps. So that's over.
Speaker 1: They've decided. We convinced RG three is making this time.
Speaker 1: But it's still strange for the head coach to basic
Speaker 1: to say. A few days there was a play where
Speaker 1: it was Lamar Jackson and ORG three and no flaking
Speaker 1: on the field to the one thing, Mike, you're a
Speaker 1: follo our boy. He was at he's been at Ravens
Speaker 1: camp and he did. He did pour a little cold
Speaker 1: water on the buzz hype train here for Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: where that there is inconsistencies in his game that they
Speaker 1: have to work out. He has no experience calling plays
Speaker 1: either not that all that can be worked out, but
Speaker 1: it's like he's not gonna start games right away. Finally,
Speaker 1: in the news, the Cleveland Browns, I'm still for we've
Speaker 1: lost it. Dan is looking for this hashtag things. I
Speaker 1: rolled my eyes because you spend all this time like
Speaker 1: everybody acts like, oh, it's a big mystery, what's going
Speaker 1: on with Ravens. No, it's not. Flaca is gonna play
Speaker 1: every game in September. Lamar Jackson's gonna be on the
Speaker 1: field for like one play or one snap, and r
Speaker 1: G three is not gonna be on the roster. That's
Speaker 1: gonna happen with the Ravens September. Alright, Moving on, the
Speaker 1: Browns are considering Dez Bryant what Mark seesla the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys UH wide receiver who has been out of work
Speaker 1: since being released a couple of months ago. Now there
Speaker 1: is a potential job opening in Cleveland now that Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon has removed himself from the mix as he tries
Speaker 1: to get well, and that remains kind of a hard
Speaker 1: to discern situation surrounding Gordon, So would he makes sense?
Speaker 1: This is what John Dorsey the Cowboy had to say.
Speaker 1: UH in an interview with The Plain Dealer. I've had
Speaker 1: a chance to be around Dez. I've known Deaz. I
Speaker 1: got a chance when he was down there in Lefkin, Texas.
Speaker 1: I actually went down to his work out and got
Speaker 1: a chance to meet him down there. Okay, I know
Speaker 1: what kind of person he is and what makes him
Speaker 1: He's a very talented player. Have we had discussions about
Speaker 1: des Bryan. Yeah, that's natural. I mean, I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: that that the name would come up the minute. You
Speaker 1: don't know when Josh Gordon's gonna come back, but he
Speaker 1: also said Dorsey said he absolutely expects Gordon to play
Speaker 1: this season and could be back at any time in
Speaker 1: a couple of days or a couple of weeks. And
Speaker 1: it was also interesting and uh, Lindsay actually played it
Speaker 1: from me before the show. When dorisay he was talking
Speaker 1: with reporters, they kept on hitting at him like, yeah,
Speaker 1: have you been assured by the NFL that he is
Speaker 1: not facing any issues, any suspension anything like that, And
Speaker 1: he dodged the question time after time after time. That
Speaker 1: can still be something that comes into play here and
Speaker 1: we don't know yet, but Dorsey went out of his way.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, it wasn't like kind of a
Speaker 1: I think Blanken, you miss it. It was they kept
Speaker 1: on coming after him, and he would dodge it again
Speaker 1: and again. So we'll see if it's not fair to
Speaker 1: to be tired of Lamar Jackson and not be very
Speaker 1: tired of Josh Gordon. Do you know what the result
Speaker 1: of those Dez Bryant discussions were? They didn't sign, We're
Speaker 1: not signing or else It'd be to me that should
Speaker 1: be on a team, and he might make the Browns
Speaker 1: better if you had no Josh Gordon. But I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a lot that that room. Landry Gordon, Corey Coleman,
Speaker 1: and Josh Gordon just in des sounds like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: juicy opposite land came obviously, Corey Coleman. Corey Coleman still
Speaker 1: in the mix. I think, why how are you doing?
Speaker 1: How do you bring your family in here? Louke Colton? Look,
Speaker 1: I love for him to be productive. Let's do some
Speaker 1: odds and ends. Has got a lot more to get
Speaker 1: to here, dods and ends. Let's get some muddin ends.
Speaker 1: Get your odin ends right here. I didn't recognize that
Speaker 1: person where she been? Richard Sherman the San Francisco, Fornia
Speaker 1: Niners cornerback has been cleared for the started training camp.
Speaker 1: Greg great news, and it means he gets a big
Speaker 1: roster bonus for being ready for the started training camp.
Speaker 1: Hubba hubba. Jara Jones had this to say about Cowboys
Speaker 1: defensive lineman David Irving not expected to come to training
Speaker 1: camp at all. This is a man that said issues
Speaker 1: West and it seems like the issues continued. If you're
Speaker 1: a casual NFL fan, you must assume that all Cowboys
Speaker 1: defensive ends are the same person, and they just take
Speaker 1: turns serving suspensions under differents. Get confusing. They have they
Speaker 1: ever had a lineman healthy and not serving the suspension.
Speaker 1: It has literally never happened. J J. Watt quote crushed
Speaker 1: his conditioning test um mark. That's awesome news. Well the
Speaker 1: photo it You gotta go find the photo attached to
Speaker 1: this announcement if you can. He looks like a non green,
Speaker 1: incredible Hulk type figure. But talk about getting people on
Speaker 1: the field together, We've really never seen Watton Clowney do
Speaker 1: their thing together. And for one full season. I would
Speaker 1: love saying that this time of year, every year, watch
Speaker 1: Watson's not on the pup list, and how come no
Speaker 1: one else crushes the conditioning test. He's like the first person.
Speaker 1: Have you seen him? The Giants supplemental draft pick Sam Beale,
Speaker 1: the defensive back. He's out for the season with a
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. That sucks. They're very thin at that position.
Speaker 1: That's why they took him. It's also when you starting
Speaker 1: Eli Apple, so waste of a draft pick. They wanted
Speaker 1: that depth for this year. Another round lins Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: a no show at Seahawks camp, and the Seahawks meanwhile
Speaker 1: still want a really high price in a trade. So
Speaker 1: this again continues to be going nowhere. There's no end
Speaker 1: in sight here because the Seahawks, according to Ian, do
Speaker 1: not want to pay Earl Thomas, after seeing what happened
Speaker 1: when they paid Cam Chancellor last August, that they don't
Speaker 1: want to take that risk. And Earl Thomas pretty much
Speaker 1: is adamant that he's not playing unless he gets the
Speaker 1: one that could go into the regular right. This is
Speaker 1: the one of them all where you like, you could
Speaker 1: see him missing two or three weeks and maybe the
Speaker 1: whole year. And finally Mark Hey Mark Antonio Brown showed
Speaker 1: up to camp in a helicopter yeah. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: want to sound like I'm like ultra grumpy about all
Speaker 1: these players. But I don't need that. I don't need that.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he show up in a batmobile helicopter type, some
Speaker 1: kind of contraption every year, Mark, isn't it kind of fun?
Speaker 1: It's and it's again, we're watching it's a great network.
Speaker 1: We're watching it for twelve hours straight a day. And
Speaker 1: that's that's that I've seen at fourteen times. Who are
Speaker 1: not aware? Every year Antonio Bone has arrived at camp
Speaker 1: and some type of luxury automobile of some kind. This year, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's in the Worldly Bird Sessler. It's like he's like,
Speaker 1: how's he gonna How's he gonna top it? Next year?
Speaker 1: This guy's flamboyant. I do not need it, not even
Speaker 1: a particle of it. All right, I had heard from
Speaker 1: the source you weren't happy about it. Okay, good stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, yea, Cleo Mac not expected to
Speaker 1: be in camp, and Ian has also said this one
Speaker 1: has no end in sight. There appears to be some
Speaker 1: hard feelings and asociations haven't gone well on that, okay,
Speaker 1: So that's another one to keep an eye on looking
Speaker 1: forward to all these conversations, Let's just play football, guys. Hey,
Speaker 1: you're getting paid millions dollars to play a boys game.
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind next time you go to the
Speaker 1: bargaining table. I think let's just play football is a
Speaker 1: good pause. Yeah, thanks, Chip from one or three in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Our show kind of needs maybe that one guy, like
Speaker 1: the cliche bad sports guy that we could just punish
Speaker 1: when he has these takes. We should be friends someone
Speaker 1: like that and just call him up. Alright, So anyway,
Speaker 1: as we uh said at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: we're now going to um introduce a new segment, Fly
Speaker 1: on the Wall. And as I said, flies, they're the wars.
Speaker 1: It's fly season marks in this segment where the flies. Oh,
Speaker 1: we also we're annoying us? And are we were flies
Speaker 1: with our mental capabilities flying around? Right, It's like Jeff
Speaker 1: gold bloom in the right. No, we have human brains,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We have our Jeff Goldblin was
Speaker 1: like a monster fly, right, he was, but he still
Speaker 1: couldn't thinking of dated pop culture references. I haven't even
Speaker 1: ever seen it. I just know it exists. That was
Speaker 1: also a remake of like a sixties movie, so it's
Speaker 1: even more dated. Yes, so we are going bloom though
Speaker 1: he stayed relevant ft stats about him he has. I
Speaker 1: think he's even better than ever. I mean he's having
Speaker 1: the gold bluemissans right now burned together m hm, yes,
Speaker 1: former lovers, I believe as well. That's reportedly confirmed. Neither
Speaker 1: a subconnected or they addressing park together one of the others.
Speaker 1: We're both. Uh so No, something funny about when people
Speaker 1: use the word of lover. I believe he took her
Speaker 1: as a lover for a while. Like that was like
Speaker 1: for our younger listeners that that was very routine that
Speaker 1: like people would talk about like lover Like that was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah his lover Billy. Wasn't there a Saturday night?
Speaker 1: There is a Sunday and life skin about that where
Speaker 1: they call um Alright, so anyway, we are we are
Speaker 1: human flies. We are humans shrunken down to fly size
Speaker 1: and appear into any camp uh any segment, any segment,
Speaker 1: any part of camp, and and dive in mark you
Speaker 1: will be going first. We're essentially spies. But um, yes,
Speaker 1: I I just wrote these up because I think it
Speaker 1: was gonna forget them otherwise. But I would like to
Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall of Oakland's football compound,
Speaker 1: where I'd buzzed between the offices of coach John Gruden
Speaker 1: in general manager Reggie Mackenzie. Capping an offseason that saw
Speaker 1: plenty of grudenesque moves. With Mackenzie shoved into the deep background,
Speaker 1: I'd glean information on where this relationship stands. Did they talk?
Speaker 1: Do they verbally backstab from dawntill dusk? Or do they
Speaker 1: make it work and sometimes go out for ice cream
Speaker 1: and a glass of white wine while discussing their shared
Speaker 1: passion for off Cannon Little House on the Prairie fan fiction?
Speaker 1: Where are we with this relationship? Off? Can like not
Speaker 1: the official storyline? Can I missed some of that? Basically?
Speaker 1: I want to buzz around up to find out because
Speaker 1: I feel like Reggie McKenzie. Yeah, Reggie mackenzie has really
Speaker 1: he did so much to build that team up for
Speaker 1: that one playoff season and got through an early bad
Speaker 1: period to show how good he could do with the job.
Speaker 1: And then I feel like Grooden has coming ultra powerful
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of weird anti Reggie Mackenzie
Speaker 1: type moves made this offseason, at least to me, I
Speaker 1: see it that way, and it just feels like a
Speaker 1: grood in power move that Where where is Reggie mackenzie
Speaker 1: and this is he happy? I want to find out.
Speaker 1: You're saying Reggie like doing some grumbling at the snack
Speaker 1: bar station. Maybe hey, I don't have a saying he's
Speaker 1: like Howie Rose, a little bit of a Howie Rose.
Speaker 1: Maybe not maybe not that I mean that was that
Speaker 1: was obviously known to everyone and it was embarrassing. This
Speaker 1: has been kind of kept. This issue doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be out there as much. I don't know Reggie McKenzie,
Speaker 1: but just based on his media appearances, he seems so
Speaker 1: amiable and wanting to get along, and he has this
Speaker 1: history with Gruden back to Green Bay that I suspect,
Speaker 1: even if he's got some thoughts in his heads about
Speaker 1: how things going on, he would never be the type
Speaker 1: that you would the fly would hear anything. He would
Speaker 1: keep it to himself, that he'd be ultra professional, that
Speaker 1: would be doing the best that he could, even if
Speaker 1: he's not really thrilled with the fact that he's just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I want, I want you to fly
Speaker 1: on over to his private office when he's on the
Speaker 1: phone and one of his his buddies and other in
Speaker 1: the league circles, when he's already kind of on the
Speaker 1: phone trying to get a new job because he's like,
Speaker 1: there's no future for me here. You gotta hang out
Speaker 1: in that complex for a couple of weeks. Is this
Speaker 1: fly eating things the flies do and get the job done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's bad things about being a fly. You're
Speaker 1: you like poop and things like that, and you have
Speaker 1: a short lifespan and everyone hates you and you're easily slaughtered.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty cool to be able to do well
Speaker 1: and ira when a lot of generalists are losing your job.
Speaker 1: What better job security than being an actual fly who
Speaker 1: can listen to any conversation Ago, Bams, I'm going to
Speaker 1: Rams job security for like for your day life life security.
Speaker 1: I'm going to RAMS camp. The most fascinating person in
Speaker 1: the NFL to me right now is Sean McVeigh. And
Speaker 1: if you caught Bryant Gumbel's Real Sports interview with him, say,
Speaker 1: i'ncanny recall bordering on photographic memory of plays called in
Speaker 1: a random game from last year. To me, why he's
Speaker 1: fascinating a lot of these offensive geniuses, These coaching geniuses
Speaker 1: have massive outsized egos, and he seems to be a
Speaker 1: preter naturally humble guy who is supported by every former player,
Speaker 1: every current player, everybody's ever coached with him, and he
Speaker 1: see used to have a high e Q emotional intelligence
Speaker 1: to deal with these players. I'm just why is this
Speaker 1: guy perfect? Or like, what is the flaw with this guy?
Speaker 1: Because he seems like he is what you would built
Speaker 1: in a lab to be an NFL coach in two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. So your job as a fly, on some level,
Speaker 1: you're looking for dirt. You're looking for some some thing
Speaker 1: that shows you maybe has this guy as perfect as
Speaker 1: he seems. This is a very non judgmental fly who
Speaker 1: was willing to go this guy is he's He's fascinating
Speaker 1: because he is that great. He's not a judgie fly
Speaker 1: at all. He's just like flies don't really have any
Speaker 1: brain capacity to say. By nature, they're not typically very
Speaker 1: judgmental about human behavior. But in this case, you have
Speaker 1: you have seen ostracized Philosopheoper. There you go. Situation um,
Speaker 1: very good? Any other thoughts, keep moving. I'd be curious
Speaker 1: with the interaction. Yeah, between McVeigh and less need and
Speaker 1: is one of the best. It would be a kind
Speaker 1: of a fun to be a fun campus if he
Speaker 1: if they appear to be doing everything right, yes, and
Speaker 1: if he puts together another season that is close to
Speaker 1: what he did in his breakthrough year last year, you
Speaker 1: might be looking at the new Bill Walsh guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the new name that people write books about one day.
Speaker 1: He's got a string together a few more years. But
Speaker 1: I would just say we haven't seen him as a
Speaker 1: coach go through any great adversity in terms of something
Speaker 1: really happening to put the Rams in a bind. How
Speaker 1: he responds to that, We'll say a lot to um
Speaker 1: as you won't surprise you. I'm obviously gonna gonna buzz
Speaker 1: on over to floren Park, New Jersey check in on
Speaker 1: my Jets, And I'm very nervous because, as any Jets
Speaker 1: fans should be. They have never this organization has never
Speaker 1: handled a quarterback room very well. They've and whether it's
Speaker 1: drafting quarterbacks, bringing quarterbacks in developing quarterbacks, uh, it's always
Speaker 1: been kind of a mess. One time one quarterback punched
Speaker 1: another quarterback in his jaw and broke it. Although that's
Speaker 1: maybe not the organization's fault, but just it's been always
Speaker 1: kind of messy, and now here we are with a
Speaker 1: number three overall. Pick Sam Donald. He's so he's the DFS,
Speaker 1: the designated franchise savior, and they have to figure out
Speaker 1: how are we going to handle our musical chairs in
Speaker 1: the quarterback room. And there's some different things that play
Speaker 1: here because you keep hearing that Sam Donald is a
Speaker 1: guy that they are not ruling out as a week
Speaker 1: one starter. Okay, well that's fine to say, but then
Speaker 1: you're also hearing from our own Mike Silver, for instance, yesterday,
Speaker 1: that the Jets are quote obsessed, that's the word they use.
Speaker 1: Are just such an interesting, weird word to say. With
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater and how great he has looked, and how
Speaker 1: how he looks like he's all the way back and
Speaker 1: he's basically back to being the type of prospect that
Speaker 1: he was before the knee injury. Whatever, if you believe
Speaker 1: it or not, whatever, but they love him enough where
Speaker 1: you're you're you're either gonna try to develop him or
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to trade him, but he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to see time. And then you have Josh McCown, who
Speaker 1: last year. If you guys recall, they did not play
Speaker 1: it all in the preseason, and he was essentially a bad,
Speaker 1: bad quarterback until about Week three, which you could easily
Speaker 1: contribute to he had to knock the rustop because he
Speaker 1: didn't play. So what are they gonna do? How are
Speaker 1: they going to get all these guys work without messing
Speaker 1: up Donald? Who's the key to all this? I want
Speaker 1: to know what that. I don't know why you get
Speaker 1: obsessed with Teddy Bridgewater after drafting your future and you're
Speaker 1: a coaching staff that is under fire, you're a front office,
Speaker 1: it's under fire, so you have to put the guy
Speaker 1: in there that you really think you can attach your
Speaker 1: future too. If Sam Donald goes out and struggles to
Speaker 1: some degree, everyone's gonna expect that to be the way
Speaker 1: it is. I think they're basically going to glow over
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater verbally and in the press all summer in
Speaker 1: an attempt to trade him, But you still have to
Speaker 1: showcase him too to then actually turn that into him
Speaker 1: being I think it's Donald, of all the rookies, has
Speaker 1: the best chance to start Week one by far, and
Speaker 1: if if unless he really you know, implodes during preseason action,
Speaker 1: I think that's the one team that would roll with
Speaker 1: with with with him. I think I might put him
Speaker 1: last Donald to start Week one, because Josh McCown played
Speaker 1: really well last year and they love him and Bridgewater
Speaker 1: to me, is one of the most interesting figures in
Speaker 1: August to watch because he has a pretty good chance
Speaker 1: to beat out McCown, but he also has a pretty
Speaker 1: good chance to bring a draft pick, a pretty hefty
Speaker 1: draft pick in return if he looks good. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if you're this front office and coaching staff
Speaker 1: that you can fiddle around with Josh McCown for eight
Speaker 1: or nine weeks. Well, they you also have to remember
Speaker 1: they might want to fiddle around with Josh McCown, who
Speaker 1: proved last year that he could run the offense. They
Speaker 1: got to save their jobs. They gotta win seven or
Speaker 1: eight games. The Jets pointing this regime with Todd Bowles
Speaker 1: and also Mike mccagnet, So I really I still see it.
Speaker 1: The most likely way plays out is McCown four weeks
Speaker 1: and then Donald takes over in October, and I think
Speaker 1: Teddy does get traded. But it's the platonic ideal from
Speaker 1: a fan perspective, not the Jets fan necessarily but just
Speaker 1: the average NFL fan for a quarterback battle. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's got everything. It's got the old trusty guy who's
Speaker 1: coming off the best uh season by a Jets quarterback
Speaker 1: probably since add Pennington. It's got an interesting trade uh
Speaker 1: you know, package guy who's about as beloved as anyone,
Speaker 1: and it's got it's got a young hot up. But
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the Jets are dumb enough not to
Speaker 1: just prioritize Sam Donald over everything else. And that's really
Speaker 1: the only thing that they truly care about. And that
Speaker 1: is what I believe they're talking. You can't give whatever
Speaker 1: the Bridgewater reps if you're given because whatever they think
Speaker 1: is best for Sam Donald, that that's what's gonna do.
Speaker 1: So if they think getting all the reps for Sam
Speaker 1: Donald's the best thing, then yeah, then but it sounds like,
Speaker 1: and I agree with Dan, like they probably want to
Speaker 1: slow the rule with Sam Donald. He's the youngest quarterback
Speaker 1: into the league in a long time. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: a whole lot of college experience, and you've got these
Speaker 1: two veterans, so they probably I would think they've arrived
Speaker 1: at the decision we're gonna slow play. I think John
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not gonna get many snaps. I
Speaker 1: maybe to do practice. I think McCown's like almost a
Speaker 1: player coach there and they'll have to get him ready
Speaker 1: in a week or two before the Sea. This is
Speaker 1: before that. Maybe not, they don't. This is not John
Speaker 1: Beck and Rex has been behind. I think they like
Speaker 1: both their options. And I would put a sandwich on
Speaker 1: it with you, Mark, if you want to do it
Speaker 1: right now. That is not the weak one. Well, what's
Speaker 1: up to him. I'll go one on one with Dan
Speaker 1: because he's the jest, just just for sporting sake, and
Speaker 1: none of these sandwiches you know, ever get paid out anyways.
Speaker 1: I'll go with on Mark side and it'll be it'll
Speaker 1: be a duo. Say well, let's do that. I only
Speaker 1: agree to that. If there are sandwiches that we will,
Speaker 1: we will pay. All right, it's happening. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's like the corn will squad back together. Bad news
Speaker 1: to the other team, all right, it's not fair. It's
Speaker 1: not fair if you two are on the same yet
Speaker 1: not at all squad. I'm my fly or I'm a
Speaker 1: fly and I'm buzzing. Uh, I'm buzzing down to Spartanburg.
Speaker 1: Isn't that? Before Greg goes on, you have to understand
Speaker 1: that this is the New Era training camp. Spotlight what
Speaker 1: you're about to hear from Greg Rosenthal. Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: That's great. I don't know. I don't know what New
Speaker 1: Era is going to think about the heat down there.
Speaker 1: I mean, they might be the hottest training camp. You know,
Speaker 1: Spartanburg has some historical significance to this podcast. That is
Speaker 1: the exit I pulled over when I called Greg to
Speaker 1: accept this job. I was driving from Cincinnati back to Tibbing,
Speaker 1: stopped at the Spartanburg exit. Tell Greg I was I
Speaker 1: was leaving. I don't gus James Dean's accidents. That would
Speaker 1: be amazing. I want to listen to the conversations that
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera is having, partly with Marty Hernie, maybe with
Speaker 1: some trustee assistant coaches, maybe even with his wife on
Speaker 1: the phone, when he kind of looks back and and
Speaker 1: sees the organization that he's running right now. Fifty three
Speaker 1: weeks ago, Dave Gettlman was fired. Think of everything that
Speaker 1: has changed with the pants one of the steadiest in
Speaker 1: terms of wins losses, UH teams in the NFC over
Speaker 1: the last five six years. Dave Gettlman was fired. Uh
Speaker 1: the owner was embroiled in a sexual assault case in
Speaker 1: which the which he had to give up the team.
Speaker 1: This is the same man Jerry Richardson that hired Ron Rivera,
Speaker 1: that that, as I said, you know, founded the team.
Speaker 1: Has a statue out front he has lost his job.
Speaker 1: There's a brand new owner in place. On top of that,
Speaker 1: there's a brand new offensive system in place with North
Speaker 1: Turner arriving. Mike Scheula has been there since the day
Speaker 1: Cam Newton arrived. It has just been a lot of
Speaker 1: change for a guy in Ron Rivera, who who has
Speaker 1: had a lot of consistency over the last five or
Speaker 1: six years. And I'm just kind of wondering, like what
Speaker 1: what is he feeling? What is he thinking about this situation?
Speaker 1: Does he feel like he's suddenly on a hot seat
Speaker 1: with with a new boss? What is he saying behind
Speaker 1: closed doors to North Turner about Cam Newton's who has
Speaker 1: had kind of a couple of rocky years. I would
Speaker 1: say on the field, not as higher level the last
Speaker 1: two years. There's just it's just a lot going on,
Speaker 1: I think with this franchise underneath the Belichick by his
Speaker 1: lonesome tier. He feels like the most overlooked guy in
Speaker 1: the next tier down for NFL coaches. He's made the
Speaker 1: playoffs what five or six years, I believe, uh, And
Speaker 1: until he arrived, no one had ever won back to
Speaker 1: back and that it was nearly fired at one point,
Speaker 1: you know, years ago, survived, that survived, has survived this
Speaker 1: up until now. And he's just been such a steady presence.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of his defining qualities. And yet
Speaker 1: this is maybe one has been one of the most
Speaker 1: unsteady teams in the league. And they have a quarterback
Speaker 1: who I think. I always believe in Cam Newton, but
Speaker 1: I think Kim Newton. He he he wants to have
Speaker 1: a great year this year, his contracts coming, not that
Speaker 1: they're not going to resign him, but he hasn't played
Speaker 1: as well. I don't think throwing the ball the last
Speaker 1: couple of years as he did before that. And that
Speaker 1: was training camp spotlight presented by New Era. One more
Speaker 1: time around the Horn, all right, I'd like to be
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall in Buffalo, listening to offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator Brian day Ball and quarterbacks Stade David Culley discussed
Speaker 1: their plan for the team's signal callers. What must Josh
Speaker 1: and do to blow up the concept of a red
Speaker 1: shirt season and fly into the skies as the teams
Speaker 1: sometime in the season earlier on the later as their
Speaker 1: new starter. Also, I traveled to the team's newly refurbished
Speaker 1: cafeteria to see what players are saying about the new
Speaker 1: lunchtime menu items. Have you had the pork butt sandwich?
Speaker 1: Fullback Patrick DeMarco would ask Flat Ducas. No Ducos would say,
Speaker 1: I'm Peskterian DeMarco would counter by saying, we can both
Speaker 1: agree the new sour dough rolls dipped in salt butter
Speaker 1: are delicious, not too dense, very rich in flavor, crisp
Speaker 1: on the outside, and just right in the middle. No
Speaker 1: Ducas would say, I'm staying away from carbs bro in
Speaker 1: an effort to jump start my large and small intestine
Speaker 1: with a more alkaline based diets. This is why you
Speaker 1: have to watch the videos justice the b roll of
Speaker 1: the delicious sandwiches. That we could focus more on the
Speaker 1: quarterback angle. But wait, have you actually flown into the
Speaker 1: future and you already witnessed this interaction as a fly
Speaker 1: on the wall? Yes, and well, I'm actually I'm saying
Speaker 1: they would say that to each other. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking they would say, Marcus, there's a lot of the
Speaker 1: breaking this space time continuum. And I mean, I'm a
Speaker 1: human that turned into a fly, so a lot of
Speaker 1: new territory to begin with. And Patrick DeMarco's defense. Every
Speaker 1: time I get a choice, I go sour, though when
Speaker 1: it comes to bread. Totally totally agree. It would be
Speaker 1: interesting to hear Brian Dable speak as anyone called that happening.
Speaker 1: He's kind of he's an under the radar important figure
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know, former Patriots guy, former Alabama
Speaker 1: guy who's suddenly has to run an offense where he's
Speaker 1: got an uphill battle. Well, he was Eric Man Jeanie's
Speaker 1: play caller in in Cleveland. He's a bit of a nomad,
Speaker 1: Yes he is. He is his number one, I mean,
Speaker 1: his number one quarterback is it's it's pretty rough. And
Speaker 1: then you look at you have a number one, right,
Speaker 1: and then you have Kelvin Benjamin's the number one. After that, nothing,
Speaker 1: it's it's either z A. Jones or Jeremy Curly. It's
Speaker 1: pretty It's gonna be tough to create an offense. Out
Speaker 1: of that team, they lost three of their best offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: They're lying if you they're line isn't a major issue
Speaker 1: for Alan's might be a little concerned. Chris Westling, this
Speaker 1: fly is going to hang out in Colts camp and
Speaker 1: hope I don't get swallowed by the frog. What's your
Speaker 1: favorite type of It's well done, Chrissling. And it's obvious
Speaker 1: you want to see how Andrew Luck looks. We were
Speaker 1: informed Wednesday that basically Ian Rappaport was saying, the ball
Speaker 1: is flying out of his hand. Arm strength looks pretty
Speaker 1: much like it's always looked um beyond that to me, though,
Speaker 1: since he entered the league in two thousand twelve, we've
Speaker 1: been asking when are the Colts going to get a
Speaker 1: creative play caller, a reliable offensive line, and a consistent
Speaker 1: running game. And I think in camp you say this
Speaker 1: might be the most improved offense of line in the league.
Speaker 1: They have not only added two impressive rookies, but veteran
Speaker 1: depth that they just haven't had since Luck has been there.
Speaker 1: They've got guys like Matt Slawson sit on the bench
Speaker 1: and he might not be, you know, the best center
Speaker 1: in the league or best guard in the league. But
Speaker 1: that's depth that they they're throwing. They don't have to
Speaker 1: throw a seventh round rookie in there this year if
Speaker 1: something goes wrong. Also, Frank right, if you if you
Speaker 1: look at Carson Wentz, the most close quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league to him, athlete wise, skill set wise is probably
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. And Frank Reich did wonders along with Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson and John d. Filippo. With Carson Wentz, um, I
Speaker 1: think he's got that creative play caller now, and you
Speaker 1: have a running game where you've got some more interesting
Speaker 1: running backs thing you've had in a while. I don't
Speaker 1: like their defense one biting and they have a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do there. We have a nude scheme,
Speaker 1: a new coordinator there, first time coordinator ever Fusse. Aren't
Speaker 1: they back in the mix in the NFC South? If
Speaker 1: Luck is going to play sixteen was excited about I'm
Speaker 1: always excited to watch Andrew Luck. Is that potentially going
Speaker 1: to be your team of a t L nominee because
Speaker 1: I don't think you guys would go along with the
Speaker 1: keep that in the whole story. I keep my heart
Speaker 1: open to any team and Andrew and Andrew luck returned
Speaker 1: to greatness would be a story I could get behind. Um.
Speaker 1: All right, I am going to head on. I might
Speaker 1: be an ox Nord right now. Actually, nice shoot up
Speaker 1: to ox Nord. Okay, I'm going there tomorrow, very nice,
Speaker 1: humble brag. Are you gonna be doing that? What are
Speaker 1: you doing up in the ox? Gonna watch some Cowboys practice? Sexy?
Speaker 1: I like little network work, little little look at you
Speaker 1: all growns up Cowboys coaches. I want to be in
Speaker 1: that Cowboys coaches room. You know. Actually, if you remember
Speaker 1: All or Nothing, if you watched All or Nothing, everything
Speaker 1: is done. Jara's there, Steven's there, the brother in laws there,
Speaker 1: the dogs there, and they all get around a big
Speaker 1: old conference table and they talk, and I want to
Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall when they have the discussion. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: how confident are we that we've set up our quarterback
Speaker 1: for success this season? Because Dak Prescott, who was an
Speaker 1: incredible draft value by of course a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago and then was an amazing rookie quarterback for the team,
Speaker 1: took a step back last year. Wasn't all his fault.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a tough situation. As we know
Speaker 1: with with Zeke Elliott and everything else. Um So, I'm
Speaker 1: wondering they they obviously feel must feel okay, I would
Speaker 1: think because they didn't make any big free agent pickups,
Speaker 1: they didn't pull the trigger on a big trade. They
Speaker 1: cut deaz loose like let Jason Witten retire. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they didn't stand in his way on that. Um So,
Speaker 1: when you have a wide receiver group headlined by Alan
Speaker 1: Hearns and Terence Williams and Cole Beasley in a tight
Speaker 1: end group led by some guys Jeff Swain, why they
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. Blake Jarwin is the guy who's been getting
Speaker 1: all the Dalton Schultz and Rico Gathers still in the
Speaker 1: mix when you when you factor that in, I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if they're privately like put this kid in a tough spot,
Speaker 1: or will the offensive line and the running game and
Speaker 1: and Dak's natural ability be able to cover up for
Speaker 1: deficiencies in the skill positions. I could really see that
Speaker 1: team going either way this year, and it would not
Speaker 1: surprise me at all if they ended up being like
Speaker 1: eleven and five with this chain moving rushing attack and
Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott playing pretty well, I have faith in
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. I did too. That would be they would
Speaker 1: be a fun team to listen to. I think the conversations,
Speaker 1: the colloquialisms, they really get a lot. That's one thing
Speaker 1: I took away from All or Nothing. I think that
Speaker 1: the Jones family they're having their living life. They're having fun.
Speaker 1: They like me All or Nothing to tell you, they're
Speaker 1: like being the Jones. I don't know, no know. I
Speaker 1: don't assume that all like powerful successful people are happy.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're any happier than anyone else. But
Speaker 1: I think the Jones are. They're like, they like being
Speaker 1: the Joneses. They like each other. They have the Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones it's the job he always wanted, owning the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and uh he's been living it up for thirty years
Speaker 1: and now his whole family is in on it. Well.
Speaker 1: I I at the combine. I missed my flight and
Speaker 1: on the way back because of some connection things. So
Speaker 1: they just said stay in Indianapolis. There's no way to
Speaker 1: we'll send you out. The next day I went back
Speaker 1: into town because I was staying at some bizarre motel
Speaker 1: with like a cosplay convention or something, and I was
Speaker 1: going on there, but went back into town, met some
Speaker 1: people from work, and we were at a bar, and
Speaker 1: up rolls the Jerry Jones bus and off Jerry Garrett, everyone,
Speaker 1: the whole posse, and they were they were running the
Speaker 1: room and they yes, he enjoys life. Jones and his
Speaker 1: entire family seemed to enjoy life quite a bit. If
Speaker 1: you haven't been lucky enough or just never been in
Speaker 1: the position to be at a major league event, obviously
Speaker 1: the super Bowl the most notable one, but really any
Speaker 1: of them, whether it's combined or draft, whatever, that where
Speaker 1: the city's held, you will, most likely, if you're in
Speaker 1: the downtown sector, see Jera bus roll up in front
Speaker 1: of a steakhouse or a notable bar in the air
Speaker 1: and the party is where Jarrod Bus is at no
Speaker 1: doubt to live in life. All right, last time, last time,
Speaker 1: that bus might be coming up and down the one
Speaker 1: oh one come out. You know, you might see in
Speaker 1: Hollywood something like that on one of these nights. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, I'm I'm shrinking into a fly and I'm
Speaker 1: heading straight to New York. I missed New York in
Speaker 1: this summer. I'm talking right in the middle of the City.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to a team. I'm going to Park
Speaker 1: Avenue and I'm visiting the League office and York. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but I want to. I want
Speaker 1: to hang out with Al Ribon. I want to hear
Speaker 1: behind closed doors what Al Rivern and the League office
Speaker 1: is saying about these rules. First, the kickoff rule. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's almost under report. I think this kickoff
Speaker 1: rule is gonna profoundly change football and special teams. I
Speaker 1: know it's only the kickoff, but I think there's gonna,
Speaker 1: especially this year, be a real wow factor and just
Speaker 1: a lot of different things that we haven't even thought
Speaker 1: of are gonna come up. And I think they're talking
Speaker 1: about it in terms of how they're gonna apply the rules,
Speaker 1: because they're really complicated when you when you look at
Speaker 1: it on another edge, there's a lot going on. I
Speaker 1: want to hear what they're talking about there. And then
Speaker 1: also the lowering the helmet rule, which which has been
Speaker 1: talked about quite a bit. UH there's there's so many
Speaker 1: different variations that alt in the gang are having to
Speaker 1: go over and they have to be concerned with how
Speaker 1: they are going to UH ref this in its first
Speaker 1: year and I'd like to hear kind of how they're
Speaker 1: planning to do that, because not as great as he
Speaker 1: was when we heard him speak it, I don't think
Speaker 1: you can really answer the questions until we see how
Speaker 1: it plays out. Remember the Trent Richardson rule, right, no
Speaker 1: one threw a flag on that. Uh, you wonder if
Speaker 1: if we could be in a similar situation where you
Speaker 1: just that one doesn't really come up as much as
Speaker 1: you would think it would. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a big I think it's going to be a big difference.
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman's critic sisum of the new rule today reminded
Speaker 1: me of Riveran's performance, in which he basically said, guys, guys, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not debating you. I'm telling you what the new
Speaker 1: rule is. This isn't a debate. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: fall in line. He was similarly impressive at the Talent
Speaker 1: Summit last year. And then I think we and so
Speaker 1: many football fans were driven insane by some of the
Speaker 1: NFL's rules. So it's like, this is peak river Ran
Speaker 1: season where he's kind of infallible, and then the season starts,
Speaker 1: You're like, who is involved with the rules? Get rid
Speaker 1: of this guy? All right, that's it. That's it. Good,
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