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Speaker 1: softwrep dot Com on time on target in Scotto. Here
Speaker 1: Jack Murphy is here and on with us because we
Speaker 1: haven't had him on in a couple of months. Alex Hollings,
Speaker 1: the last time I saw you was Shot Show, which
Speaker 1: we'll get into. Um, and we haven't had you on
Speaker 1: the podcast, you know since prior to then. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: glad to be back mere. Thanks for having me back
Speaker 1: on anytime, dude. I just figured it was a while there.
Speaker 1: The audience wanted to hear from you. They also wanted
Speaker 1: to hear an update on the old name fitness column,
Speaker 1: so we'll get into that. Um. The first thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to get to though, we had an email sent
Speaker 1: to Softwrep dot Radio at soft rep dot com. Uh,
Speaker 1: and this was kind of more of a question for me,
Speaker 1: which you know, I figured I'll answer. Uh. So someone
Speaker 1: might have brought this up before, but I detect strong
Speaker 1: influences in the softwarep podcast theme song to Harold fault
Speaker 1: Meyer's top Gun theme song and let me jump in there. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's him as well as Steve Stevens who does
Speaker 1: the sick guitar work on the top Gun theme. Am
Speaker 1: I right? Or am I drunk? Please fulfill my curiosity? Uh?
Speaker 1: And that is from Chris Hodgen. Uh absolutely Chris. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I was using the top Gun theme
Speaker 1: as an outro, and then at a certain point I
Speaker 1: started to think, all right, I don't want to get
Speaker 1: flagged for this. We might as well, with how far
Speaker 1: that we've gone on this podcast, get some original music. Uh.
Speaker 1: My friend John Burns is just an amazing guitar player,
Speaker 1: so I flat outside him, like, can you create something
Speaker 1: that sounds somewhat similar to the um to the Top
Speaker 1: Gun theme? And he said he could, so I figured
Speaker 1: I would, um, you know, go with that. He sent
Speaker 1: it to me and it's fucking awesome. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great theme. So I will plug John on that
Speaker 1: note if if you like his work John Burns band
Speaker 1: dot com and that's spelled John b y r n
Speaker 1: e S band dot com. His music, UM that he
Speaker 1: typically does zact really a little bit more bluesy than
Speaker 1: something like that, but he does stuff of all different styles. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: with that out of the way, before we get into
Speaker 1: like what you're working on, Alex, I figured we'd get
Speaker 1: like your firsthand account of shot Show going for the
Speaker 1: first time, um, just the other month. Yeah, man, so
Speaker 1: was I think it was everything I expected it to be,
Speaker 1: both the good and the bad of it. It was
Speaker 1: a blast, you know, first and foremost. I had a
Speaker 1: blast meeting some of the readers at the software party
Speaker 1: that we had during Shot Show. It's it was a
Speaker 1: surreal experience for me to get to meet a stranger
Speaker 1: who knew my name and had read my work. I
Speaker 1: live here in the woods of Georgia, so, you know,
Speaker 1: like we were talking about before we came on air,
Speaker 1: the internet is still a fairly new thing here, you know.
Speaker 1: So when I tell people that I heard from home
Speaker 1: on the internet, no one knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You know. It's so funny that you say that, though,
Speaker 1: because I I said this prior, but I mean for
Speaker 1: the audience, it's funny. I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: crossover with this audience and Joe Rogan, and I heard
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan say before that the way he put it,
Speaker 1: he was like, there's no stupid parts of the country anymore.
Speaker 1: And he was saying, like, I travel from comedy club
Speaker 1: to comedy club, from you know, the Midwest to the coasts.
Speaker 1: And he's like, people are in the know about the
Speaker 1: same stuff because of the Internet. But well, you're saying,
Speaker 1: seems to conflict with that a little bit. You know.
Speaker 1: I think it has to do with demographic. I bet
Speaker 1: you Joe Rogan's demo, you know, the same as Sovereign's demo.
Speaker 1: They're they're pretty savvy, you know, they're on there the Internet.
Speaker 1: Otherwise they're not listening to a podcast or going to
Speaker 1: our website. But when you're talking about guys like my
Speaker 1: next door neighbor whose name is Grizzly, you know, he
Speaker 1: still lives in the same house that he grew up in.
Speaker 1: You know, when his mother passed, she left it to him,
Speaker 1: like fourty or fifty years ago. He had plumbing put
Speaker 1: into the house. You know, he's that type of guy.
Speaker 1: And he does have the Internet on his phone, so
Speaker 1: he doesn't quite understand what that means. Any have zero
Speaker 1: interest whatsoever and owning a computer, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think that there's there are a lot of those people
Speaker 1: still out there. You know, guys are the older generation
Speaker 1: that just they're not really all that interested in what's
Speaker 1: going on in the rest of the world because they
Speaker 1: have their own little world here and they're focused on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a bad thing, but very different,
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a lot of those people in Georgia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's funny. Here's up. I can tell you. Last year
Speaker 1: I went to South Dakota and I felt like, all right,
Speaker 1: these people are not that much different from me. It
Speaker 1: was a great time. But um, anyway, back back to
Speaker 1: shot Show and your experience of it, um beyond just
Speaker 1: like the team room party, what did you think of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff that you actually saw on the floor.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you're a big gun guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I come from a very different perspective. I
Speaker 1: think that a lot of the guys that go to
Speaker 1: shot Show. I'm a very budget oriented shooter. You know.
Speaker 1: I love my guns, I love my gear. But my
Speaker 1: wife will yell at me if I spend too much money.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got I've only have so much money
Speaker 1: per months that I can allocate to getting new, neat stuff.
Speaker 1: So when I see something that costs a thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: it's almost always a no right off the bat and
Speaker 1: shot show is full of a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: costs a thousand dollars or more, especially having a new kid.
Speaker 1: I should add in there like that probably factors into that. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, And don't get me wrong there, it's awesome
Speaker 1: if you can afford to have a big pile of
Speaker 1: thousand dollars apiece equipment sitting in your office or your basement,
Speaker 1: but you want to gear up and go patrol your
Speaker 1: personal compound. If you can afford to do that, You're
Speaker 1: cool and I'd love to hang out with you. But
Speaker 1: but I'm not that guy, you know. So when I
Speaker 1: walked through and I'm like, well, this kevlar helmet looks
Speaker 1: remarkably like the one I wore on the Marine Corps
Speaker 1: five years ago, but this one costs six thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: so it must be better. But it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to get that excited about it. But it is awesome
Speaker 1: to get to go and experience with a culture I
Speaker 1: guess of it. You know, a bunch of like minded
Speaker 1: people with similar interests. You know, everyone was very friendly.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a very positive environment, even
Speaker 1: if a lot of the gear maybe it wasn't my taste,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm gonna ask you then the same
Speaker 1: thing I asked Phil Avanti on the last episode, who's
Speaker 1: that shot show? Like what did you see and pretend cure?
Speaker 1: If anything that that really stood out to you. But
Speaker 1: one thing that was really cool was like this self
Speaker 1: propelled I mean it was like a Batman grappling gun,
Speaker 1: you know, it would It was an electronic motor that
Speaker 1: could pull up I think it was something like six pounds.
Speaker 1: It was really cool. They actually they let me harness
Speaker 1: up and go up to the ceiling of the main floor.
Speaker 1: That yeah, you know, it was fun. However, once I
Speaker 1: got back down to the ground, I was like, so
Speaker 1: what contracts you guys have you know, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: have some and they were like, yeah, we're contracted to
Speaker 1: a lot of Tier one Special Operations units and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well which one's mostly China? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, then I'm not actually interested in covering,
Speaker 1: Like I'd be much more interested in talking because every
Speaker 1: one of the good guys. But it wasn't awesome piece
Speaker 1: of gear. It really went from what they told me.
Speaker 1: There's a competitor UH team that has a similar unit
Speaker 1: in our Tier one soft units. Uh. It was super
Speaker 1: cool though, And that's the big takeaway I got from
Speaker 1: it is I felt like Batman, And that's really all
Speaker 1: that I asked. That's the best case scenario for me.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the other stuff that was awesome,
Speaker 1: Like Marines are probably familiar with ISNA. It's I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if the isn't it was, if it's the same acronym,
Speaker 1: or if they use that in the Army Jack's maybe
Speaker 1: you could tell me it's like a virtual shooting simulator,
Speaker 1: not that I'm aware of. In the Marine Corps, we
Speaker 1: had it, especially when I was training reservists, and I
Speaker 1: have to assume it's more cost effective to put them
Speaker 1: in the trainer than it is to get them out
Speaker 1: of the range all the time. But it was terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, it was It was a really bad piece
Speaker 1: of equipment that you know, you point the rifle six
Speaker 1: inches to the left on the screen of where you
Speaker 1: wanted to hit. You know, you couldn't really put a
Speaker 1: lot of different variables into play, like wind and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. It was an unrealistic representation of shooting. But
Speaker 1: we put guys in there all the time. Because we
Speaker 1: thought it was better to get I guess unrealistic training
Speaker 1: than none at all when I was at shot. That
Speaker 1: is another system. I wish I could remember the name
Speaker 1: of it, but it could run off of a commercial laptop.
Speaker 1: You could put all kinds of variables in it, from
Speaker 1: wind speed and direction to different types of weather, two
Speaker 1: different shooting scenarios. What was really cool about it is
Speaker 1: that it came with a battery pack taser that you
Speaker 1: wore on your belt, so as you're firing, when people
Speaker 1: fire back at you, it would taste you and they
Speaker 1: could control the duration of the tas how much it hurts,
Speaker 1: things like that. So it really gave you this sense
Speaker 1: that you were firing under dress reforcement, some negative reinforcement. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you weren't responding fast enough,
Speaker 1: you would start to get a shock, and if you
Speaker 1: continue to not respond fast enough, the shock throw it was.
Speaker 1: It was really cool. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: That's what's cool about conventions, you know. I've been to
Speaker 1: a bunch of car ones in a past life. What
Speaker 1: I always like to see is the new technology that
Speaker 1: maybe isn't out there yet, but we can expect to
Speaker 1: see in the next couple of years, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: the technology exists, but it's not cost effective at this point,
Speaker 1: but it will be soon, and I think that's really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but nothing on the level of Um, remember when we're
Speaker 1: talking about Sophick Jack and the Iron Man suit, Like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like that currently you know, going to be
Speaker 1: on the market. But then again, that would also be
Speaker 1: just military grade stuff, which is not what Shot Show is.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was the most impressive thing I
Speaker 1: heard of. That was the Iron Man suit, which components
Speaker 1: of an Iron Man we talked about in the show.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of different ones. Yeah, I don't remember
Speaker 1: the actual name, but I mean that's pretty cool and
Speaker 1: you're not going to see anything like that at Shot
Speaker 1: Show though, the very different you guys you're talking about
Speaker 1: the tallos, Yes, yeah, that I would have liked to
Speaker 1: have seen. Um anyway, that's been more interested in that
Speaker 1: and seeing another another you know, plate carrier to be honest,
Speaker 1: but you know, it was still cool. Yeah. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: getting into what you've been working on. I know very
Speaker 1: little about this, and I don't think Jack is completely
Speaker 1: in the know either, so I just want to hear
Speaker 1: about it. From you. You were saying that there's some
Speaker 1: interesting response from the Department of Defense regarding UFOs, and
Speaker 1: I want to hear all about that. It's actually so
Speaker 1: the whole story gets kind of weird and convoluted. This
Speaker 1: UFO story is we're kind of the tinfoil hat portion
Speaker 1: of the Internet meets the legitimate journalism portion of the Internet,
Speaker 1: which makes it complicated sometimes to really root out the truth.
Speaker 1: But but what we do know for sure is that
Speaker 1: up until very recently and probably ongoing, the Pentagon actually
Speaker 1: has been devoting a fair amount of funds to studying
Speaker 1: military reports unidentified flying objects. Right. But it's important that
Speaker 1: we create a distinction right here to keep the tinfoil
Speaker 1: hats off. When we say unidentified flying objects, we don't
Speaker 1: mean alien spacecraft. In my opinion, I'd love to believe
Speaker 1: there's aliens here. I'm really not sold on the prospect.
Speaker 1: So when we say unidentified flying objects, we're really talking
Speaker 1: about what may well be advanced military aircraft, you know,
Speaker 1: particularly if we see it flying in American airspace. We
Speaker 1: need to be concerned because of China or Russia are
Speaker 1: fielding some kind of aircraft with maneuverability that we can't match,
Speaker 1: or stealth capabilities that we can't match. That's a real
Speaker 1: concern from the national defense standpoint, you know, so it
Speaker 1: makes sense that they're studying these things. The New York
Speaker 1: Times broke that they really have I believe. The program
Speaker 1: was called the Advanced Aerial Phenomenon Aviation Threat Identification Program,
Speaker 1: something along those lines. It was run by a former
Speaker 1: m I guy military intelligence named Louis Elizondo. Uh. And
Speaker 1: they did throw a lot of money at this, but
Speaker 1: it's not that much money in terms of defense spending,
Speaker 1: but about twenty two million dollars over the span of
Speaker 1: seven years. Over the span of seven years, not really
Speaker 1: that yeah, you know, so most of what they were
Speaker 1: able to do was I mean, you'd call that a
Speaker 1: shoe string budget. His most Pentagon investigations are concerned. You know.
Speaker 1: It started in two thousand seven, and most of what
Speaker 1: they would do is they would piggyback on other D
Speaker 1: O D investigations, uh that that revolved around these mysterious sightings.
Speaker 1: One really prominent one that was released by ALISANDO was
Speaker 1: two Navy F A E Team Hornets who were sent
Speaker 1: to intercept a UFO that was off the coast of
Speaker 1: San Diego. They were directed that way by I think
Speaker 1: it was a local cruiser that was He called them
Speaker 1: up on the radio and asked if they were carrying armaments.
Speaker 1: They weren't. They were carrying dummy missiles that you would
Speaker 1: normally fly with, just to get an understanding of how
Speaker 1: your aircraft will respond to that weight on your wings,
Speaker 1: things like that. Uh, they tried to intercept this. They
Speaker 1: had a lot of trouble doing it. Uh. They recorded
Speaker 1: it all with a fleer camera and they released that
Speaker 1: just recently. It was declassified. Now I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you that those are aliens, nor am I going
Speaker 1: to tell you that it was maybe a manned aircraft.
Speaker 1: But what it was was interesting and disconcerting. You know
Speaker 1: that these I mean, these are supersonic capable fighters. They
Speaker 1: weren't able to keep up with the radar signature. It
Speaker 1: disappeared from radar, and then they weren't able to keep
Speaker 1: up with it visually. You know, it's an interesting phenomenon,
Speaker 1: whether it's ball lightning, which is a naturally occurring phenomenon,
Speaker 1: or a drone aircraft, or you know, honestly, something as
Speaker 1: simple as you know, some kind of a cyber warfare
Speaker 1: technique that you would use to put radar signatures on
Speaker 1: somebody's scope, you know, just to distract them. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of things it could be, most of which are
Speaker 1: not aliens. But it's interesting now that we don't understand
Speaker 1: what it is, and the U. S. Navy isn't the
Speaker 1: only one. The Chilean Navy two years ago released a
Speaker 1: video that was fleear footage that they accorded to them,
Speaker 1: studied for two years and couldn't understand what it was,
Speaker 1: so they released it publicly and said, can you guys,
Speaker 1: who's can anybody you know give us a hint as
Speaker 1: to what this is, you know? And I think it's
Speaker 1: especially interesting when you see like these military your camera footage,
Speaker 1: just because it gives you a good sense of what
Speaker 1: a weird thing this is in the sky. Uh, you know.
Speaker 1: In both cases it's just kind of like a bright smudge.
Speaker 1: In one case it released like what looked like, I
Speaker 1: guess some kind of an exhaust plume. It makes you realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's a physical thing out there that they're not
Speaker 1: able to identify, and maybe somebody can, but they're not
Speaker 1: willing to. I get excited because this all sounds to
Speaker 1: me like prototype aircraft. You know, when I grew up
Speaker 1: knowing that we had some kind of a secret you know,
Speaker 1: stealth fighter which was the Effluence seventeen, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and hearing about the B two Spirit but never really
Speaker 1: seeing one. You know. My my wife's cousin was a
Speaker 1: B two pilot, uh is a lot older than we are,
Speaker 1: and she grew up with like legends of this B
Speaker 1: two aircraft, you know. And that's what I think that
Speaker 1: we might be seeing in some of these UFO sightings today,
Speaker 1: is maybe the B twenty one Rader, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: an SR seventy two prototype there. It would seem to
Speaker 1: me that there are aircraft up in the sky right
Speaker 1: now that we have a disclosed, maybe because they're not
Speaker 1: operational or be classified yet, but there could be something
Speaker 1: floating around out there, and that's exciting to me. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. You want to you know, sooner or later
Speaker 1: someone's going to snap a picture of them, you know,
Speaker 1: if it has to do like an emergency landing and
Speaker 1: a civilian airport or something like that. I mean, if
Speaker 1: it's not just a natural phenomenon, if it is actually
Speaker 1: you know, an experimental or you know, top secret aircraft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's an important distinction to make, because
Speaker 1: I mean I recently ran an article on software where
Speaker 1: I took a map that was created by you know,
Speaker 1: one of these tinfoil hat website databases where anybody can
Speaker 1: go in report seeing a UFO in the sky, and
Speaker 1: then it'll put a little tin, you know, on the
Speaker 1: on the map of America of where these UFO sightings
Speaker 1: take place. And what I did was I overlaid that
Speaker 1: with a map of US military installations, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's bunches when you look at the map, there's UFO
Speaker 1: sightings bunches, and they almost always correlate with military instill nations.
Speaker 1: And I think that explains a lot. It's not that
Speaker 1: these are necessarily all secret aircraft flying around. It's that
Speaker 1: people aren't that good at identifying military aircraft and the
Speaker 1: way they behave it's different than commercial traffic. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: especially at night. You know, I'm as guilty of that
Speaker 1: as anybody. You know. I live right near de law
Speaker 1: Aga where the Rangers do a lot of training, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of helicopter traffic around here, and at night,
Speaker 1: when you see three low flying helicopters in the distance,
Speaker 1: like combing up over the little mountain in the woods
Speaker 1: that I live on. It looks crazy. Even when I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's definitely helicopters, I still sit out there and stare.
Speaker 1: You know, it looks weird. They don't behave like commercial aircraft.
Speaker 1: They fly lower, you know, they take different changes in
Speaker 1: their trajectory, you know, whereas commercial aircraft you see them
Speaker 1: up high, they follow one straight line more often than not.
Speaker 1: Military helicopters, on the other hand, might all turn right suddenly,
Speaker 1: you know, and what you see in the sky as
Speaker 1: a triangle of it's that suddenly made a really dramatic turn,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's easy to make these mistakes. It's
Speaker 1: not because anybody wants to be, you know, a UFO hunter,
Speaker 1: and maybe some of them do, but a lot of
Speaker 1: them are just like, man, what the heck was that?
Speaker 1: You know. A good example there was a huge Air
Speaker 1: Force operation I want to see in December where on Twitter,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody was posting videos and pictures.
Speaker 1: That's something that looks similar to the Phoenix flights, which
Speaker 1: is a pretty famous UMO sighting from the nineties. It
Speaker 1: looked like a giant boomerang in the sky flying east
Speaker 1: to west, heading out towards the west. It turned out
Speaker 1: it was actually a huge formation of something like seventeen
Speaker 1: seven teams and thirties thirties that we're all heading out
Speaker 1: west for one joint operation. But you know, you see
Speaker 1: something like that in the night sky, you think the
Speaker 1: sky is following, you know, uh, really really cool stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's fun to track the UFO trends because they
Speaker 1: almost always lead to a really cool story about real
Speaker 1: guys doing real stuff, sometimes advanced stuff that we can't
Speaker 1: hear about today, but but it's always cool to try
Speaker 1: to find that tidbit, you know. A good example of
Speaker 1: that also would be in Siberia. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of UFO sightings that are just huge bright lights in
Speaker 1: the sky, and if you ask me what they probably
Speaker 1: were were test launches of the star Mat, the r MAT,
Speaker 1: the Satan Too I CBM. You saw SpaceX's rockets. When
Speaker 1: the first stage in the second stage separate, they sometimes
Speaker 1: create like this big aurora in the sky. You know,
Speaker 1: it looks like it looks like a portal or a vortex.
Speaker 1: And I have a sneaking suspicion that that's exactly what
Speaker 1: we saw in Siberia was the first stage of the
Speaker 1: star mat separating from the second and creating this aurora.
Speaker 1: But because Russia is not going to announce that they're
Speaker 1: testing their new I CBM, you know, what you're left
Speaker 1: with is a bunch of questions on Twitter and on
Speaker 1: Instagram and these really neat pictures. And you know, Russia's
Speaker 1: you know, notoriously closed lift when it comes to these things.
Speaker 1: They've never announced anything until after it's been a success,
Speaker 1: you know, so you really won't know in a lot
Speaker 1: of these cases. But but I do think of these
Speaker 1: cases are explainable if you had, you know, a high
Speaker 1: enough security clearance and whatever nation it was that you
Speaker 1: were operating in, Because I really do like there was
Speaker 1: another sighting near Seattle a few months ago that appeared
Speaker 1: on radar and then didn't. The National Guard, the Air
Speaker 1: national Guard actually scrambled f F F teams to intercept. They
Speaker 1: had a visual confirmation on something in the distance after
Speaker 1: it fell off radar. I'd be went in to bed
Speaker 1: northern California area. That was an experimental drone, you know,
Speaker 1: and what better way to test it than to let
Speaker 1: some Air National Guard guys go and try to hunt
Speaker 1: it down. You know, I again, there's no way I
Speaker 1: can tell you for sure that it wasn't aliens. But
Speaker 1: there's no way I can tell you for sure that
Speaker 1: it was. But I would be willing to believe it
Speaker 1: was a drone just based on you know, what you're
Speaker 1: able to glean um through you know, open source for research.
Speaker 1: What kind of experimental aircraft do you think the United
Speaker 1: States government might be playing around with some you know,
Speaker 1: some of the more cutting edge stuff that perhaps we
Speaker 1: haven't heard about yet. The two of that I'm the
Speaker 1: most excited about are the SR seventy two, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure everybody's familiar with. The SR seventy one. It still
Speaker 1: holds the record as the fastest military aircraft that's ever
Speaker 1: taken to the skies. You know, the SR seventy one
Speaker 1: was an incredible aircraft, you know it was. It was
Speaker 1: a touchy one, you know, it really didn't. It was
Speaker 1: a lot like a Hyabusa. For the motorcycle guys out there,
Speaker 1: the Hyah Boosta is not all that manageable at like
Speaker 1: traffic speeds. You know, it's a big, heavy, lunky motorcycle
Speaker 1: that doesn't maneuver real well, but at two miles an
Speaker 1: hour Highaboosa, it's like going through butter. The SR seventy
Speaker 1: one was very similar. It was tough to manage until
Speaker 1: you had it right in your low earth orbit and
Speaker 1: going mock three, and that's when it really came into
Speaker 1: its own. It's a legendary aircraft. We haven't had anything
Speaker 1: that could even touch it since. Lockheed and and Boeing
Speaker 1: are now competing for a contract to create a successor
Speaker 1: to the SR seventy one that's been dubbed the SR
Speaker 1: seventy two. That's gonna use scramjet technology combined with stuff.
Speaker 1: Scram jets are going to be a game changer for
Speaker 1: military aviation because they're capable of instead of supersonic speeds,
Speaker 1: that are capable of hypersonic, which is they were looking
Speaker 1: at that for rockets too, aren't they. Absolutely, Especially China
Speaker 1: and Russia both are already starting to field anti ship
Speaker 1: missiles missiles or something. Absolutely, this is one of the
Speaker 1: missiles that Prutin was talking about in his recent speech.
Speaker 1: That's got everybody else, uh this. This scramjet technology is
Speaker 1: pretty indefensible in terms of a missile. They travel so
Speaker 1: fast they usually won't be able to identify or track
Speaker 1: them on the trajectory, and they follow an almost horizontal
Speaker 1: flight path, which makes our missile defense apparatus next to
Speaker 1: useless in terms of trying to intercept. They're so fast
Speaker 1: that you usually won't know they're coming until they've hit you.
Speaker 1: And the operational range on them is eight miles in
Speaker 1: most cases are carrier strike groups. The operational range of
Speaker 1: our aircraft is only about five hundred. So these these
Speaker 1: things are game changers in terms of how we conduct
Speaker 1: warfare because our strike groups are effectively rendered obsolete. We
Speaker 1: can't get them close enough to Russia or China to
Speaker 1: launch sorties of aircraft at them, because if we do,
Speaker 1: you know, a NIMICS class or a FOURD class carrier
Speaker 1: is a huge target for one of these hypersonic missiles.
Speaker 1: You know, it's we're gonna have to change the way
Speaker 1: we fight wars based on this technology. And that's why
Speaker 1: I think the SR seventy two it's going to be
Speaker 1: such a big deal for US, especially you combine you know,
Speaker 1: F thirty five or F twenty two or further advanced
Speaker 1: to stealth technologies with an aircraft that's capable of traveling
Speaker 1: at MOX six and you know, that changes the way
Speaker 1: we conduct warfare in a very real way. Especially they
Speaker 1: why they'd be going back, um, you know, pursuing again
Speaker 1: this idea of you know, uh, you know, hyper velocity
Speaker 1: or extremely fast traveling spy plane. Is it because they
Speaker 1: think the same technology is going to eliminate some of
Speaker 1: the other methods we have of reconnaissance. That's a great question,
Speaker 1: because I don't understand the value of having a hypersonic
Speaker 1: reconnaissance aircraft when we have such an elaborate satellite infrastructure
Speaker 1: in place already. I can see there being some value
Speaker 1: and you know, having somebody loiter, But an SS seventies
Speaker 1: two wouldn't be able to loiter over an area, you know,
Speaker 1: you'd have to use it like an SR seventy one,
Speaker 1: just faster. You know, it's just gonna fly by. The
Speaker 1: only thing I can imagine is that I, first of all,
Speaker 1: I expected to be a drone, not a manned aircraft,
Speaker 1: even though they haven't specified. But at that velocity, I'm
Speaker 1: just not sure how capable of human being would be
Speaker 1: of maneuvering, you know. But I have to assume that
Speaker 1: they intend to arm it. The SR seventy one was
Speaker 1: never armed, you know, it was literally just a reconnaissance aircraft.
Speaker 1: I have to want to assume the SR seventy too
Speaker 1: would be used for long distance bombing or things of
Speaker 1: that nature, because I don't see the value in terms
Speaker 1: of the money that we have to invest in developing
Speaker 1: this technology. I don't see the value in terms of
Speaker 1: your Thompson's I wonder, I was just wondered, I mean speculating,
Speaker 1: do they I wonder if it's because they think that
Speaker 1: with some of the laser technologies that you know, the
Speaker 1: Chinese are developing, that they anticipate a lot of our
Speaker 1: satellites being shot out of orbit. They really do not
Speaker 1: only shot out of orbit, but I think a more
Speaker 1: immediate threat is jamming. The Chinese already do this occasionally.
Speaker 1: They'll they use ground based lasers that they used to
Speaker 1: track the position of satellites and debris in orbit, just
Speaker 1: like every every military really does. We need to keep
Speaker 1: track of the debris in orbit to keep track of
Speaker 1: our satellite infrastructure. But they've effectively tried to blind some
Speaker 1: of our Calm satellites using these lasers. They haven't been
Speaker 1: able to do so we're able to tell when they
Speaker 1: engage a satellite with a lady there. But the lasers
Speaker 1: are not powerful enough currently to cause any damage or interference.
Speaker 1: But it's clear that all they really need to do
Speaker 1: is turn the volume up on the lasers they have
Speaker 1: in place to really start causing problems. So the Air
Speaker 1: Force just announced that they intend to launch a new
Speaker 1: constellation of GPS satellites that are that are hardened against
Speaker 1: this type of thing, literally, just because we realize now
Speaker 1: that our GPS satellite network is very susceptible to interference,
Speaker 1: to damage, and our military is increasingly reliant on it.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I learned land they have the
Speaker 1: good old fashioned way with a compass and a map.
Speaker 1: I'm not confident though, that I could still do it.
Speaker 1: The last time I did it was a combat training
Speaker 1: when I learned it. You know, you see that news
Speaker 1: report where they were gonna start teaching sailors to navigate
Speaker 1: using the stars again. They've got it, I think, man,
Speaker 1: I I think that it would be naive and even
Speaker 1: presumptuous of us to assume that we'll be able to
Speaker 1: conduct peer or near peer level warfare and maintained communications
Speaker 1: with our satellites, for guided unitions, for navigation, for communications.
Speaker 1: I think that if we were to go to war
Speaker 1: with a nation like China, we have to assume that
Speaker 1: those assets would be rendered obsolete. Well, Alex, the mention
Speaker 1: of China really transitions. Well, it's something else that wanted
Speaker 1: to get into here. Uh, you wrote a recent piece
Speaker 1: that actually went up yesterday. Uh, NASA maybe a civilian agency,
Speaker 1: but China's space program is unquestionably a military endeavor. Um,
Speaker 1: you right, and here that in two thousand three, China
Speaker 1: was the third nation to man emission to space, which
Speaker 1: the first two were of course Russia in the US.
Speaker 1: But as you put here, unlike the United States, which
Speaker 1: operates NASA as a civilian space agency that often receives
Speaker 1: military personnel on loan, China's National Space Administration could be
Speaker 1: better seen as a joint venture between China's military and
Speaker 1: their Commission on Science, Technology and Industry for the National Defense.
Speaker 1: So I thought this was a pretty interesting article because, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you look at the space race between Russia
Speaker 1: and the US, it was always tied to the Cold War,
Speaker 1: it was always tied to some military operation. But from
Speaker 1: what you're saying, China doesn't even try to hide this,
Speaker 1: you know. You you make a great point about the
Speaker 1: Cold War and the Space race. We pretend the space
Speaker 1: races about national prestige, and we pretend that it was
Speaker 1: about advancing science. The Cold War and the space race
Speaker 1: were one and the same. The space race was just
Speaker 1: an arm of the Cold War. We were we were
Speaker 1: in a race to prove that we could attain the
Speaker 1: ultimate high ground, which at the time we saw it
Speaker 1: a little bit first, and then the Moon, you know,
Speaker 1: once we actually there's a reason why once we started
Speaker 1: putting men on the moon, RUSSA stopped early trying, and
Speaker 1: so did we. You know, we haven't been back to
Speaker 1: the Moon, not because the moon landing was faked, but
Speaker 1: because there's no longer like I just threw that in there, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. But so NASA has always been a civilian
Speaker 1: agency right from the get go. But that's always kind
Speaker 1: of been a bit of their pr gimmick, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean the early days of NASA, NASA literally became
Speaker 1: came into being, I think it was like nine months
Speaker 1: after Buttnick was in orbit, you know, because we were like,
Speaker 1: we need to respond in a very real way. It's
Speaker 1: always been a civilian agency, because the American people play
Speaker 1: a very big role in how NASA is operated in
Speaker 1: terms of who they vote into office and just kind
Speaker 1: of the general consensus of the public. If the public
Speaker 1: doesn't see an interest in space, NASA funding dwindles, dwindles.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny though, because there's there was a
Speaker 1: huge interest in Elon Musk and the Tesla flying around
Speaker 1: the orbit with you know that being live streamed, which
Speaker 1: I know you were a huge enthusiast of Alex So
Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly some modern day interest in the
Speaker 1: space program, and that's a private company, um doing what
Speaker 1: they're doing. You know, I love what SpaceX is doing.
Speaker 1: I love what Elon Musk is doing. He's making space
Speaker 1: travel sexy again. You know, it's marketable again. I don't
Speaker 1: love the idea of relying on private ventures for America's
Speaker 1: space endeavors. I think that private ventures first and foremost
Speaker 1: pursue profitability, which is a good thing. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a Faraday. When Faraday first realized that
Speaker 1: you could produce an electrical charge using magnets, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't know what we would need electricity for at
Speaker 1: the time, so somebody asked him what good is this,
Speaker 1: and he said, of what purpose is a newborn babe?
Speaker 1: Because I know I invented this thing or discovered this thing,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what good it will do yet.
Speaker 1: Now it's the basis of every power plant we have
Speaker 1: in the world, whether it's nuclear or coal, solar, or
Speaker 1: what have you. Ultimately, it all has to do with
Speaker 1: what Fara Day determined could produce an electrical current using magnets.
Speaker 1: That's the important part of national level space endeavors is
Speaker 1: that you solve problems that you don't necessarily know what
Speaker 1: the question will be yet, you know. But we create
Speaker 1: these advances that lead to advances, and they're very important
Speaker 1: to do. But a private space venture is going to
Speaker 1: be less apt to pursue experimental things unless there's a
Speaker 1: real return on investment. Government fund adventures don't look for
Speaker 1: that r o I so much as they look for
Speaker 1: accomplishing the goal they set set out to do. I'm
Speaker 1: a big private enterprise guy, you know, I'm probably pretty
Speaker 1: libertarian leaning in my personal politics, but some things I
Speaker 1: think the government needs to pay for it, and I
Speaker 1: think space is one of them. I love private space
Speaker 1: mentors NASA, I mean got us to Mars, and you know,
Speaker 1: they've had a spectacular success with the Mars Rover. But
Speaker 1: I mean, do you really think that NASA is or
Speaker 1: or let's just say a government space program, are going
Speaker 1: to be the ones that colonize Mars. I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems like it's gonna have to. It's gonna be capitalism
Speaker 1: that's gonna conquer Mars. No, you're right, I really think
Speaker 1: that at this point. Well, I mean, look at the SLS,
Speaker 1: which is NASA's new rocket that's been in development hell
Speaker 1: for years and years. And here's a good chance for
Speaker 1: me to apologize to NASA because I've written a few
Speaker 1: op eds about their delays on the SLS and just
Speaker 1: being like, when are you guys gonna actually build a
Speaker 1: rocket again? You know, we've been hitting the ride with
Speaker 1: the Soviet era stay use castles out of Russia's ross Cosmos,
Speaker 1: and our our tax dollars are going towards this. So
Speaker 1: it's a legitimate question. Yeah, we're paying Russia. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: paying Russia for trips to the I S S. If
Speaker 1: you look at if you look back like maybe a
Speaker 1: year or two years ago, there's actually some um Congress
Speaker 1: is having some hearings about this because we buy so
Speaker 1: many rocket engines from Russia, and they're you know, asking,
Speaker 1: you know, is this a potential national security issue for US?
Speaker 1: It sounds like it. I think it's a legitimate thing
Speaker 1: to consider. I mean, that's the reason why we don't
Speaker 1: work with China. China doesn't have a spot in the
Speaker 1: International Space Station because they won't delineate between military applications
Speaker 1: and civilian applications in their space endeavors. So that's why
Speaker 1: we won't let him on the i S S. It violates,
Speaker 1: you know, the way the law was written when we
Speaker 1: first started cooperating with Russia. I mean, even now as
Speaker 1: tensions with Russia, our building you know, near the Baltics
Speaker 1: and again over near North Korea with you know, Putin's
Speaker 1: taskits port of Kim John Loon's regime, we're still cooperating
Speaker 1: in space. We're still sending American astronauts out there to
Speaker 1: launch up and to be recovered in Siberia, which they
Speaker 1: all do. They do hard landings on ground with those
Speaker 1: soldiers capsules. The Russians actually carry shotguns in their capsules
Speaker 1: to protect themselves from bears and wildlife. Before the rescue
Speaker 1: teams can arrive. This is how we're get into space
Speaker 1: right now. Guys. We went to the Moon in nine
Speaker 1: and now we're hitching a ride with like a sixty
Speaker 1: year old Soviet capsule that's got a fucking sawed off
Speaker 1: shotgun in it. It's it's ridiculous, you know. But so
Speaker 1: China is now right now, actually, China's old space station
Speaker 1: is on its way to re enter the Earth. That
Speaker 1: will probably re enter the atmosphere in the next few weeks. Uh,
Speaker 1: it might actually parts of the debris might actually land
Speaker 1: in the United States. Most of it will probably burn up.
Speaker 1: But they have another more advanced space station that's supposed
Speaker 1: to be operational by and unlike them a thing space endeavors.
Speaker 1: China is usually pretty good about meeting those deadlines. So
Speaker 1: as the International Space Station funding dwindle dwindles away, that
Speaker 1: will all be gone by under current models, China will
Speaker 1: now be the only nation with a full time habitable
Speaker 1: space station in orbit. The only manned presence in orbit
Speaker 1: after undercurrent spending models will be Chinese. That's a really
Speaker 1: big shift in how we're conducting operations. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a concern of mine because when we when we think about,
Speaker 1: like we were saying, how dependent we've grown on our
Speaker 1: satellite infrastructure, on this constellation of calm and nav satellites
Speaker 1: we've got up there. That's the only human beings in
Speaker 1: orbit are also one of our primary diplomatic opponents, and
Speaker 1: god help us, hopefully not but one day actual enemies.
Speaker 1: That's a real concern. You know. We we do have
Speaker 1: some things up in the orbit that we don't talk about.
Speaker 1: The X thirty seven B, you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: drone space shuttle that stays in orbit for hundreds of
Speaker 1: day is at the time, the Air Force won't really
Speaker 1: say what it is. I have a sneaking suspicion it's
Speaker 1: used for reconnaissance. You could easily put Honestly, all you
Speaker 1: need to screw up a satellite isn't is an extendable arm.
Speaker 1: So you could just grab it and move it. That's
Speaker 1: all you really have to do. We could feasibly use
Speaker 1: it to screw with other people's satellites. Still not convinced
Speaker 1: that we could use it in any way to stop
Speaker 1: them from screwing the dollars though, you know, we ah,
Speaker 1: I forgot who was I think it was the general
Speaker 1: in charge of Centcom recently said China is five years
Speaker 1: away from operationalizing space in a military way. The United
Speaker 1: States with our current spending platforms ten years away at best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they stole our technology to get a jump on us,
Speaker 1: and now they're doing they're you know, they're using it
Speaker 1: in a more um I don't know if efficient is
Speaker 1: the word, but they use it. You know. The Chinese culture,
Speaker 1: you know, emphasizes harmonizing all of these technologies with their culture,
Speaker 1: and there are some things they do better than us.
Speaker 1: This reminds me if I remember when Obama ran for president,
Speaker 1: one of his campaign promises was We're not going to
Speaker 1: weaponize space, which actually sounds like a very positive thing.
Speaker 1: I think to the average American there like that sounds
Speaker 1: like a ridiculous idea. But then when you hear that's
Speaker 1: just China getting a jump start ahead on us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good idea for sure. I mean if because see,
Speaker 1: here's the thing is like with on Earth here here
Speaker 1: on planet Earth, um, we've already militarized the ground, but
Speaker 1: in space, there's this opportunity like maybe we don't have
Speaker 1: to continue this sort of like security standoff paradigm. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can, you know, evolve into something else, like an
Speaker 1: era of cooperation. You know, people fantasize about, you know,
Speaker 1: like ideas like you see on Star Trek where it's
Speaker 1: a spaceship with people from all these different countries working together.
Speaker 1: I think that's the fantasy behind it, um, but will
Speaker 1: it be the reality? That's a I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you think, Alex. I'm a I'm a diehard Star
Speaker 1: Trek fan, especially TNNG. You know, I U Patrick Stewart,
Speaker 1: John Lupicard. I refer to him as Space Dad in
Speaker 1: our house because the impart so many important lessons. But
Speaker 1: it's important to remember that Star Trek works in a
Speaker 1: fictional universe. In a real one that's a socialist, utopian society.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a post currency society, it's a post
Speaker 1: economy society. Uh. They have replicators that just make whatever
Speaker 1: you want. Search Trek is an awesome idea. We're a
Speaker 1: long way away from being able to function that way.
Speaker 1: I think politicians, just like a lot of social media warriors,
Speaker 1: operate in this idealistic mindset where we shouldn't need guns,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't need to weaponize space, and we shouldn't need
Speaker 1: to worry about war with China or another world war.
Speaker 1: Real and reality, these are all concerns that we need
Speaker 1: to have and manage actively. There are real reasons why
Speaker 1: people carry guns. There are real reasons why space is
Speaker 1: a strategic and tactical important place. Ideal ideally shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: We should be able to go out there and compromise
Speaker 1: and work together the way the United States and Russia
Speaker 1: has for a long time. Now. In reality, even that
Speaker 1: compromise strategic my ad is kicking in. But it's reminding
Speaker 1: me of the Star Trek references, reminding me of the
Speaker 1: episode of South Park where Cartman travels into the future
Speaker 1: and and there are no religions, and he's like, why
Speaker 1: is all this fighting going on? And and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: where the United Atheist Alliance? Who are fighting the United
Speaker 1: Atheists Front. Yeah, because it's a it's an anthropology thing
Speaker 1: more than than being just just political or being just religious.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like we identify with different groups
Speaker 1: of people and then we fight one another. It's like
Speaker 1: we've been doing that since we were you know, caveman,
Speaker 1: which is sad, bring monkeys man. That's how we're wired,
Speaker 1: you know, We're wired to gather up into groups and
Speaker 1: to fear the other, whatever the other might be. And
Speaker 1: you know, and it's important those that inclination is in
Speaker 1: my opinion, one of the things that led to the
Speaker 1: development of civilization because we joint we banded together with
Speaker 1: other guys and just plant some food instead of chasing it.
Speaker 1: You know. But as soon as you start to have
Speaker 1: an asset, whether it's agriculture or it's a water you know,
Speaker 1: a waterway that you gain control of or its orbit,
Speaker 1: as soon as you have an asset that can be
Speaker 1: leveraged over others, there's room for conflict another human nature,
Speaker 1: it's nature. The other difference is that, you know, because
Speaker 1: of technology, our wars are increasingly costly. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of human lives. We have weapons now that
Speaker 1: can literally destroy human civilization, you know. And again in
Speaker 1: terms of the environment, I mean, don't forget that. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course we sunk up the environment, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care about the environment. We're all then,
Speaker 1: quite frankly, but it is crazy. I mean, we're we're
Speaker 1: all on the same planet. And you know, that's also
Speaker 1: why people are looking at space as an alternative to
Speaker 1: because at a certain point, are we going to destroy this,
Speaker 1: you know, ball of Earth that we live on with
Speaker 1: all the weapons will have to expand at some point,
Speaker 1: right It's it's a scary thought, it really is. And
Speaker 1: the racist interesting questions about what Jack was saying about
Speaker 1: the commercial colonization of space. How is that governed or regulate?
Speaker 1: How do we tell the SpaceX colony on Mars that
Speaker 1: they have to fall under our rules? You know? When
Speaker 1: you say when you say are who is our? Is
Speaker 1: that America? Is that the unho? Who is that? You know?
Speaker 1: And and it's important to remember again when we're talking
Speaker 1: about pursuing this Star Trek utopia, human beings are inherently
Speaker 1: a problem and then the system. Every Star Trek movie
Speaker 1: that you've seen, for the most part, always involves usually
Speaker 1: like some kind of encroaching invasive alien species and some
Speaker 1: asshole in the federations who think war is a good
Speaker 1: idea or things that we should be doing. In the
Speaker 1: Star Trek universe. That guy is always a dick in
Speaker 1: real life. That's the guy who saves us. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to have that. You need to have that
Speaker 1: guy with a defensive standpoint who's like I know, you
Speaker 1: guys think clingons a rat, but they're all carrying guns.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should have some too. And I recognize that
Speaker 1: my mindset doesn't lead us to the Star Trek utopia
Speaker 1: that I like watching with my daughter, but I do
Speaker 1: think it keeps us alive long enough to maybe one
Speaker 1: day get there. I just think he threw in watching
Speaker 1: Star Trek with his daughter. Your daughter is is what
Speaker 1: like a month or two old? Did she really enjoyed
Speaker 1: watching Star Trek. You've seen like nine seasons and always
Speaker 1: through the X Violency and all the Star Trek episodes.
Speaker 1: Just to throw it out there, I guess I'm the
Speaker 1: only non nerd here because I am not a Star
Speaker 1: Trek guy or Dungeon the Dragons professional sports. I'm an
Speaker 1: m m A guy I certainly am with I'm not
Speaker 1: as not as crazy as Jim West, though Jim knows
Speaker 1: his ship, but now I'm not. Uh yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: the civilian non nerd here. I'm a late blossoming nerd,
Speaker 1: you know, like throughout my time in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1: You know, I used to compete in the m m
Speaker 1: A for a long time and stuff up until I
Speaker 1: lost the Nile last year. Doing it, not literally, but
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the nerds stuff came later
Speaker 1: because once I realized that, like my tough guy resume
Speaker 1: is complete, I don't need to I don't need to
Speaker 1: try to be cool anymore. My wife's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: leave me. I'm just gonna go to watching Star Trek.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna see this guy now, like god for
Speaker 1: a bit. If my wife ever leaves me and I
Speaker 1: have to find a girl that's not willing to be
Speaker 1: yelled at about Batman, I'll be in a lot of
Speaker 1: I'll be in a tough spot, but for now that's
Speaker 1: going well. Being a nerds not so bad. You know.
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to get to, in terms
Speaker 1: of things you're enthusiastic about, you are also a fitness guy.
Speaker 1: And I actually did get some tweets and emails saying like,
Speaker 1: is Alex going to come on and give it us,
Speaker 1: give us an update on his Old Man Fitness column
Speaker 1: So get People are wondering what you've been up to
Speaker 1: with that, and I know that you write something every
Speaker 1: week on that, right, Yeah, I tried to. What I
Speaker 1: really try to do is two things of the Old
Speaker 1: Man Fitness columns. If you're looking for someone to give
Speaker 1: you a breakdown on what work out to do to
Speaker 1: make your triceps big, or the internet is right with them.
Speaker 1: You know you don't need that from me. God's honest.
Speaker 1: I've been working out for a long time. You know,
Speaker 1: I've a last personal training certification. I used to work
Speaker 1: as a trainer. I was in charge of the body
Speaker 1: composition program for my unit in the Marine Corps. Or
Speaker 1: my job was to try to make the fatties not
Speaker 1: be fat anymore. Wait, wait, there's fat people in the Marines.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did you say there's fat people in the Marines. Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: especially in the reserves. Man, there's there's this is like
Speaker 1: heresy here, alex Well. I mean it's important to note
Speaker 1: that we throw them out. You know, I get a
Speaker 1: couple of months to try to make them stop being fat.
Speaker 1: And if I wasn't successful, so like you know, and
Speaker 1: with some of these guys. So I mean, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just a question to heart. If you're five pounds over,
Speaker 1: hang out with me. I can make it was those
Speaker 1: five pounds today. You know, you'll you'll need to drink
Speaker 1: a lot of water after and you'll sleep well tonight.
Speaker 1: But I can get you within weight today, it's whether
Speaker 1: or not you're willing to do that. You know, when
Speaker 1: I was fighting, I was walking around like two ten
Speaker 1: to fift team and fighting, I was very familiar with
Speaker 1: how horrible it is to cut weight rapidly. But man,
Speaker 1: you can do it to keep your job, you know.
Speaker 1: But some people just aren't that interested. A lot of guys,
Speaker 1: you know, join you know, the Marine Corps famously is
Speaker 1: the toughest branch to get into, uh not academically but physically, right,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of guys who aren't necessarily there
Speaker 1: physically think that the Marine Corps will will be their
Speaker 1: black belt. You know, I'm gonna go join the Marines.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back from boot camp and be a
Speaker 1: whole different guy. You brock Samson from the bench, your brothers. Now,
Speaker 1: it turns out you make it through training and you
Speaker 1: come out you're the same asshole you wear when you left.
Speaker 1: You know, you're skinnier right now, but now it's on
Speaker 1: you to maintain that. And some guys just don't have
Speaker 1: it in them, you know. Um. But yeah, but when
Speaker 1: it comes when it comes to the fitness stuff, the
Speaker 1: internet is full of fitness. In my opinion garbage. Everybody's
Speaker 1: trying to sell you something or market an idea to you,
Speaker 1: primarily that to lose weight you need a fad diet.
Speaker 1: To gain muscle, you need a fad workout regiment. And
Speaker 1: if you want to actually accomplish anything, you need to
Speaker 1: make sure you're posting about it on Instagram constantly. There's
Speaker 1: only the three things that you learn from the Internet,
Speaker 1: but none of that's true. But aside from all that,
Speaker 1: you don't actually need to look like one of those
Speaker 1: Instagram models having three percent bodies. That's not good for you.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big believer. Man keeps that spare tired.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't want to get out of control because
Speaker 1: she's got some love handles in play. That's fine, man,
Speaker 1: your body needs so fat to operate. You might not
Speaker 1: look like you know, Hugh Jackman does in the scenes
Speaker 1: of Over Him where he takes his shirt off. But
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman doesn't look like that guy either. It looked
Speaker 1: like that guy for a week. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for some of my friends who
Speaker 1: are like power lifters and body builders and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: because I know Jenkins is into that. Well, the cross
Speaker 1: fit you know olympit. What does the cross fit games
Speaker 1: that he's done across that game? Well, I mean those
Speaker 1: people put a huge amount of work into what they do,
Speaker 1: and like their entire lives revolves around, um, you know,
Speaker 1: they're so committed to it that their whole lives revolve
Speaker 1: around you know, their time in the gym and the
Speaker 1: meals they eat. Yeah, and I mean I totally respect
Speaker 1: that that kind of dedication. But like me personally, when
Speaker 1: I listen to them talk about what they eat and
Speaker 1: now they eat the same meal like six times a day,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I respect you, but I feel like
Speaker 1: you're missing out on something in life. Like me personally,
Speaker 1: I would not want to do that. Always says I
Speaker 1: don't want to hang out with someone that won't trick
Speaker 1: a beer with me. Yeah, you know, and if if
Speaker 1: your if your regiment precludes you from having a bud
Speaker 1: light on a Friday night, I just don't think I
Speaker 1: can get behind it. I respect that you're doing it,
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. Yeah. I remember when I
Speaker 1: was a kid and I used to have um lizards
Speaker 1: like like I used to have like leopard get goos
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I don't know it's like a
Speaker 1: weird hobby I had. But when you read the books
Speaker 1: and stuff about like keeping um reptiles as pets, they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, reptiles or you know, they have like feelings
Speaker 1: quote unquote too, and you feed them the same stuff
Speaker 1: all the time, they get bored and they stop eating,
Speaker 1: so you have to like vary their diet up a
Speaker 1: little bit. I always, for some reason, my mind always
Speaker 1: goes back to that. It's like, as a human being,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine eating the same thing every day. I
Speaker 1: think some people take to it naturally, like you know,
Speaker 1: I've got sometimes to just walk around with like five
Speaker 1: percent body fat, like that's the normal things and more
Speaker 1: power to you. But but that's never gonna be me.
Speaker 1: You know when even when I was fighting, of when
Speaker 1: I was playing football for the Marine Corps, when I
Speaker 1: was in the best shape of my life, you know,
Speaker 1: I still had to flex for you to see abs,
Speaker 1: unless I was right in the middle of a cut
Speaker 1: to make weight. You know, like you could see striations
Speaker 1: in my muscle fiber in my shoulders, but you couldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily see abs sometimes, you know, It's just everybody's built
Speaker 1: a little bit differently and The idea behind old Me
Speaker 1: and Fitness isn't to make you an Instagram model. It's
Speaker 1: not to turn you into you know, those guys that
Speaker 1: you know never drink a beer and measure their meals,
Speaker 1: although you know, if you do meal prep, good on you,
Speaker 1: but you know, measure their meals to the gram and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. The idea behind old Me and fitness
Speaker 1: is to just stay in the game, stay functional, you know,
Speaker 1: stay healthy, and let's fitness be what it needs to
Speaker 1: be for you, which for me, it's a cathartic experience.
Speaker 1: So my workout is therapeutic. You know. It's important to
Speaker 1: me that I'm physically capable of protecting my wife and
Speaker 1: my daughter. It's important to me that if my car
Speaker 1: runs out of gas, I can walk three miles to
Speaker 1: get gas and walk back without that being the worst
Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened to me. You know, these types
Speaker 1: of these types of functional goals are the focus of
Speaker 1: Olden and fitness. I'm not trying to get your body
Speaker 1: set down to three percent so that you can get
Speaker 1: followers on Instagram. What I am going to try to
Speaker 1: tell you is spot reduction is a myth. For instance,
Speaker 1: you can't lose weight on just your stomach. You don't
Speaker 1: get to pick where you lose weight from. That's fat stores,
Speaker 1: fat stores burned based on your body's internal biology. You know.
Speaker 1: So whenever someone tries to sell you something that says
Speaker 1: they'll make your stomach smaller, they're lying to you. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the sort of thing I want to make sure
Speaker 1: you know. So that way, when you go and try
Speaker 1: to start your own fitness regimen, when you try to
Speaker 1: start eating better, working out and exercising, you understand that no,
Speaker 1: this elastic band I bought for forty dollars isn't going
Speaker 1: to solve the problem for me. The only thing that
Speaker 1: can is me. The math is simple, calories in versus
Speaker 1: calories burned. When it comes to lifting weights, the math
Speaker 1: is simple again. More weight, lower reps makes you bigger.
Speaker 1: Less weight higher reps makes you smaller and more toned.
Speaker 1: We all know the math. We just want someone to
Speaker 1: tell us that there's a miracle way to skip it.
Speaker 1: And that's really what the media has kind of moved towards.
Speaker 1: In the fitness world. It's always the Atkins diet or
Speaker 1: the paleo diet, or you gotta eat like a key
Speaker 1: of man, even though they all live to be like
Speaker 1: twenty two and died terrible death. But we better eat
Speaker 1: like them because that's how we were designed. All these
Speaker 1: things are are not sustainable. You're gonna do the paleo
Speaker 1: diet so you get to your weight that you wanted
Speaker 1: to get to. Then you're gonna go back to eating
Speaker 1: twinkies and end up breakback where you started. Yeah. Brandon
Speaker 1: often says the same thing with um the fitness thing,
Speaker 1: because he we end up talking about fitness son power thought,
Speaker 1: and he has said, like, I'm sure there's a few anomalies,
Speaker 1: but you don't see too many like seventy five year
Speaker 1: old cross fitters out there. He like, but there are
Speaker 1: guys at that age swimming, you know, doing doing some
Speaker 1: type of physical activity across it is tough on the joints. Man,
Speaker 1: You know, I did a lot across it in my time.
Speaker 1: Actually for a little while, I've never been across that guy,
Speaker 1: but I've worked for some cross that guys, you know,
Speaker 1: and so when you work for him and you know
Speaker 1: you're at company PT, you're gonna do cross it today.
Speaker 1: Some parts across it are awesome and super valuable to
Speaker 1: add to your workout. I guess you know low doubt
Speaker 1: that you might have h I do. I'm not a
Speaker 1: big believer in just cross it alone. If you look
Speaker 1: at guys like Rich Franklin, who won the most Fit
Speaker 1: Man on Earth in the cross that games, I mean
Speaker 1: four or five times in a row. If you look
Speaker 1: at his workouts, he doesn't just go through the cross
Speaker 1: that workout of the day. Some days, the cross that
Speaker 1: workout of the day is do a max wait, one rep,
Speaker 1: dead lift five times. That's it for today. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. If you do that and managed not to
Speaker 1: get hurt, you will get stronger. But that's not what
Speaker 1: makes you the fittest man on earth. That's not what
Speaker 1: makes you function the least it. That's just something that's
Speaker 1: some guy put on crossit dot com today. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to approach fitness the same way that you
Speaker 1: would approach martial arts. When I was doing mcmapp versus,
Speaker 1: when I was doing Concreation versus, when I was doing
Speaker 1: Muay Thai versus b J J. Some thing's worked very
Speaker 1: well for me. Some things just didn't. So what I
Speaker 1: do is I go, I'm gonna take that thing that
Speaker 1: worked real well. I'm gonna work on the thing that
Speaker 1: didn't until I can find a way to make it
Speaker 1: work for me. But ultimately it's got to be titlered
Speaker 1: to me if I intend to use it. Fitness is
Speaker 1: the same way. I'm not a runner. I suck at running,
Speaker 1: so I left. You know it's got a sitting Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's probably good to get some form of
Speaker 1: cardio in there, just for hard health. I mean, I
Speaker 1: do know people who who don't do any cardio at all,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't think so they're in amazing shape. But
Speaker 1: I'm wondering when I'm the guy that's on the exercise
Speaker 1: bike next to the old lady named Gladdy watching the view.
Speaker 1: I haven't been doing a lot of cardio lately because
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to put on some weight. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna possibly run a half marathon
Speaker 1: again in May, and then I was like, fuck this.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying like kind of eating more and just not
Speaker 1: doing much cardio. Um, but I do try to throw
Speaker 1: some in at least like once a week. But I
Speaker 1: was wondering, what, um, what's like the next thing that
Speaker 1: you're writing for an old man fitness or what's the
Speaker 1: latest that we're gonna say. You know, I couldn't even
Speaker 1: tell you yet, which is funny because I'm alla write
Speaker 1: it today. You know, maybe this conversation will spark some ideas. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You Usually what I do on Thursdays when I start
Speaker 1: thinking about old man fitness, I write it some time
Speaker 1: between Thursday and Saturday, and I go on all of
Speaker 1: my favorite fitness websites and look for the utter bullshit
Speaker 1: that they're selling you. Like, I love a lot of
Speaker 1: these websites. I'm not I won't name them because I'm
Speaker 1: saying that they're selling you bullshit. But I love a
Speaker 1: lot of these websites that are trying to give you
Speaker 1: tips and pointers on how to get back into shape
Speaker 1: or get into better shape. But if you read like
Speaker 1: a muscle and fitness magazine from cover to cover, you'll
Speaker 1: find that within the magazine it'll contradict itself three or
Speaker 1: four times, you know, because one trainer will tell you
Speaker 1: the only way to gain map is by lifting to failure,
Speaker 1: and then three pages later you'll find another guy who
Speaker 1: tells you the only way to gain the hass is
Speaker 1: if you do five sets of five regardless of failure.
Speaker 1: You know, and then you'll floccus a few more pages.
Speaker 1: That the reason why everybody's got these very different ideas
Speaker 1: of the only way to succeed, or probably because it
Speaker 1: was the only way they could. Yeah, and there's also
Speaker 1: a lot of paid content. I think that factors in
Speaker 1: as well. Oh, absolutely absolutely, you know, it's just like
Speaker 1: the gun world. I think Jack told me about this
Speaker 1: a long time ago. But when you when you write,
Speaker 1: when you run a website TEPS devoted to firearm and
Speaker 1: tactical gear reviews, some people get really mad at you
Speaker 1: if you have a bad opinion of something. You know,
Speaker 1: like people are paying for space on your website, you
Speaker 1: better not say muscle tech sucks, you know. But like
Speaker 1: gods on this, I mean hydroxy cuts a great example.
Speaker 1: When I was in the Marine Corps, hydroxy cut was huge,
Speaker 1: you know, and some marines died because they figured if
Speaker 1: I just take ten of them right now, I'll wake
Speaker 1: up rep you know. And like hydroxy cuts, caffeine tells man,
Speaker 1: there's other stuff. There's green key extract, and there's this
Speaker 1: and that. It's just it's a bunch of caffeine that
Speaker 1: elevates your heart rate and that does increase your metabolism,
Speaker 1: and it also works as an appetite suppressant. But if
Speaker 1: you think that hydroxy cut or whatever the latest one is,
Speaker 1: it was that tricks for a while and then it's
Speaker 1: you know whatever. If you think that that tail is
Speaker 1: going to solve your problems for you, your misunderstanding how
Speaker 1: your body works, you know, it's a it's your body
Speaker 1: works just like a car. The difference is is that
Speaker 1: if you still the gas tank on your car and
Speaker 1: you don't use that gas, it would make your car fatter.
Speaker 1: That's the big difference. But you've got to use the
Speaker 1: fuel you put in. That's it's as simple as that
Speaker 1: hydroxy cut and might help you burn it a little
Speaker 1: bit faster, but you still have to use it. You know.
Speaker 1: Creatine is a good example. It's actually one of the
Speaker 1: few supplements that work. However, if you just take a
Speaker 1: bunch of creatine and then do the exact same things
Speaker 1: you've been doing, all you're really doing is taking in
Speaker 1: a bunch of empty calories. Creating benefits you because you
Speaker 1: can push a little harder, a little longer. If you
Speaker 1: don't try, you won't do it, and then all you're
Speaker 1: doing is drinking like a fruit. Punch milkshake that doesn't
Speaker 1: taste that good, but added three hundred calories to your day.
Speaker 1: You know. So people people want things to do the
Speaker 1: work for them. Ultimately. What it comes down to, it's
Speaker 1: a really simple mechanism. Man Like, if you haven't gone
Speaker 1: for a walk in a long time, don't start with
Speaker 1: a half marathon, start with war now, just do something
Speaker 1: and you'll end up in a better place. That's I
Speaker 1: think the biggest fitness miss out there is that you
Speaker 1: have to do something grandiose to to get a benefit
Speaker 1: from it. No, I men, just do a little more
Speaker 1: than you did yesterday. I would Yeah, I would agree
Speaker 1: with that. I have a colleague from Serious x M
Speaker 1: who has done very little exercise in his life, happened
Speaker 1: to watch I guess a friend in the Boston Marathon
Speaker 1: and he was like, that's it. Next year, I'm running
Speaker 1: the Bust and Marathon. Did a whole podcast about it,
Speaker 1: and then I caught up with him recently. I'm like,
Speaker 1: so are you running the bust and Marathon? And he's like,
Speaker 1: now I'm not doing it now like that? After all that, dude,
Speaker 1: I was, I was disappointed. And yeah, And it's also
Speaker 1: people need to realize like it's a hard fucking thing
Speaker 1: to do. I'm pretty decent at cardio. After the half marathon,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's it, Like there's no way I
Speaker 1: would ever do anything more than that. And I bailed
Speaker 1: out of doing this one. Um, not because I don't
Speaker 1: think I could do it. It's just because, like Alex
Speaker 1: was kind of seeing, my fitness goals right now are
Speaker 1: different than they were at that time. But yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: don't you don't have to have these crazy goals. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's all a learning process and a lot of the
Speaker 1: same of what you're saying, Like, you learn what your
Speaker 1: body reacts to, you learn what you get sore from.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're not getting story, you're probably
Speaker 1: not doing the exercise properly. Um or you're not. You've
Speaker 1: got you've got to learn to adjust for injuries too,
Speaker 1: you know, new ones that you maybe did working out
Speaker 1: because you're old and you're falling apart, and old ones
Speaker 1: like Jack, I bet you your knees are junk, I
Speaker 1: would imagine, right, just because from all the things that
Speaker 1: you've done over the more more my back, my my
Speaker 1: knees area. That's another good one. A lower back is
Speaker 1: another huge one. So if you are going to start
Speaker 1: working out right now, throwing three pounds on on the
Speaker 1: bar and doing dead lifts is a foolish thing to do,
Speaker 1: you know, like you really need to start. When it
Speaker 1: comes to managing injuries, form is very important. I am
Speaker 1: a proponent of cheating on form when you're at the
Speaker 1: point of failure for some lifts, but that's another conversation.
Speaker 1: Form is there primarily to keep you safe, secondarily to
Speaker 1: maximize the benefit you get from a lift, you know.
Speaker 1: But when you're when you're a guy like me, who
Speaker 1: you know, I've had seven surgeries from my waist down,
Speaker 1: you know, but ten and two thousand twelve, I have
Speaker 1: to I can't quite squat the way I used to squat.
Speaker 1: I can't quite deadlift the way I used to deadlift.
Speaker 1: I have to make adjustments and the amount of weight
Speaker 1: I use and the way that I do it, the
Speaker 1: way I keep breaks. Don't just do what the magazine
Speaker 1: tells you to do, you know, just like we were saying,
Speaker 1: figure out what works for you and do that because
Speaker 1: if it, if it's a horrible experience, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: come back tomorrow. I'll give you one other tips as
Speaker 1: a guy who's maybe not as fit as Alex but
Speaker 1: does go to the gym regularly. Uh. And I think
Speaker 1: you'll agree with me on this because I've heard of
Speaker 1: other people talk about this, like no one cares or
Speaker 1: is watching, like they don't give a funk how much
Speaker 1: you're lifting. If you're like a new person in the gym,
Speaker 1: that's like, oh, I'm gonna look like a pussy if
Speaker 1: I'm benching, you know, like fifty pounds. No one gives
Speaker 1: a ship like, start very light, get your form good,
Speaker 1: and then you know, slowly but surely go up and wait,
Speaker 1: go up in reps. You know, an intensity and all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think too many people who join a
Speaker 1: gym think everybody is looking cares. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: when you see a fat person running and it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a fat person, but they're running. Yes, great, I
Speaker 1: mean that's great, it's motivation. Good for them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I now work out in my basement because I'm a
Speaker 1: woods hermit, but I used to go and work out
Speaker 1: at the gym, and you know, I'm not the biggest
Speaker 1: duit around, but you're pretty big, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: just fishing there, I'm fishing for a couple with no
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not the biggest guy around, especially
Speaker 1: when you go to a big gym. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: a big dude. But there are guys who do this.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like this is what you like, Jack
Speaker 1: saying this is their life, you know. And but you
Speaker 1: know when you go to like a fitness or anytime
Speaker 1: fitness and you're a guy in my size, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like six ft two fifty I bench like, at you,
Speaker 1: that's a big you know. I'm not a power lifter.
Speaker 1: You're not going to see me on TV. But I'm
Speaker 1: a big guy in normal wife. People will stop and
Speaker 1: look and go, oh, that guy's moving a bunch of weight.
Speaker 1: I on the other hand, when I walk by and
Speaker 1: I see like a guy ian size, you know, throwing
Speaker 1: two fifty on the bar, I'm not like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: let me do the quick mass to see how much
Speaker 1: stronger I am. I do not give a shit about you.
Speaker 1: I I don't care about what you're doing. I don't
Speaker 1: care about how you look, what outfit you're wearing. I
Speaker 1: never understood the people who, you know, the women who
Speaker 1: put on makeup and the best to ever Crombie outfit
Speaker 1: to go work out, and the guy was jelling his hair.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're here for, man, Like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I do. I do like looking at the I candy
Speaker 1: when I go to UFCG. I'm not gonna lie because
Speaker 1: there's quite a lie and it makes me self conscious
Speaker 1: if there's a hot gal around, I'm self conscious there
Speaker 1: where I will say uf CGM where I go, plenty
Speaker 1: of hot women just throwing it out there. I believe it.
Speaker 1: I used to work out on campus at Framingham State
Speaker 1: and it would be like all these beautiful young women
Speaker 1: in like brand new outfits and me and like a
Speaker 1: Mount Anthony's football two thousand one T shirt with holding it,
Speaker 1: just drenched in sweat and trying not to throw up.
Speaker 1: I was not picking up girls. Well, as you said,
Speaker 1: it's it's all about Instagram these days, Like these people
Speaker 1: just want to post like how fit they are on Instagram.
Speaker 1: They want to look good like I And actually I'm
Speaker 1: cool with that. I am if that's what motivates you
Speaker 1: to keep going, you know, to each throw and I'm
Speaker 1: happy for you. Yeah, that's just not my game. Well
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