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Speaker 1: and you believe this episode. That's a lot. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a lot. And I'm glad I jumped in at this
Speaker 1: point because we have three coming up, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be like our you know, celebratory anniversary episode. So hopefully
Speaker 1: you know, we'll have a strong guest for you guys,
Speaker 1: and you know we're gonna make the best of it.
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Speaker 1: friend John is still working on like a new theme song,
Speaker 1: so we're stepping up our game. We'll have a original
Speaker 1: music and I already have the voice over for um Kara,
Speaker 1: our voice over chick, same same woman as always, the
Speaker 1: British voices. I know everybody digs it, so I'm really
Speaker 1: psyched for that. It's gonna have of course, my name
Speaker 1: and Jason's name and Jack's name instead of what you
Speaker 1: here at the beginning. Now, so we're we're updating everything. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess the first thing to get to I wrote
Speaker 1: this down and you were saying, like there's even more
Speaker 1: stuff when you think about it. But like it's been
Speaker 1: a very intense year for Texas between Hurricane Harvey. Last
Speaker 1: week we forgot to mention that Houston Astro is winning
Speaker 1: their first World World Series, which is great news, but
Speaker 1: then followed up by this horrific news of this church shooting.
Speaker 1: It's been a trying time for Texas. It really has,
Speaker 1: you know, and but no what, no other community like
Speaker 1: their own could really kind of surface through all this,
Speaker 1: you know, all this negativity and all this, you know what,
Speaker 1: all these adverse situations, Like they're really doing a great job.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what Texas is. And every time I
Speaker 1: visit Texas, I feel that, I feel that camaraderie, I
Speaker 1: feel I love you know. They call it the public
Speaker 1: of Texas for a reason, like they're really one as
Speaker 1: a state, you know, So it's it's you know there,
Speaker 1: if anyone could supersede this situation would be Texas, you know.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Wow, they're in the spotlight almost weekly now.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. You know, I really feel bad for those guys,
Speaker 1: but more so for the victims of everything the hurricane, um,
Speaker 1: the church shooting you know that just recently happened, and
Speaker 1: also you know the situation that happened, you know where
Speaker 1: the police officers were being targeted, you know. I yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's Texas has been through a lot,
Speaker 1: you know. But like I said, you let them tell
Speaker 1: it and their Texas strong and then keep on pushing through.
Speaker 1: You were there not too long ago, right, No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I was. I was there. Um. I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what month, you know, I was like
Speaker 1: a month or two ago, and I was like maybe
Speaker 1: June July. I get brain farts. I ran a long
Speaker 1: range course out in the Hondo, Texas, which was close
Speaker 1: to San Antonio, which is man, let me tell you
Speaker 1: the range out there once, I think was short Hills
Speaker 1: bench and what what a beautiful property. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: I fell in love with Texas. I fell in love
Speaker 1: with the people. I fell in love with the way
Speaker 1: they respect the Second Amendment, you know, and allow you
Speaker 1: to be an American, you know. More so, what I
Speaker 1: will say about Texas is and this is my personal experience,
Speaker 1: all right, coming from where I come from. You know,
Speaker 1: I I understand. I come from New York City. I
Speaker 1: come from a place where you know, there are distinct
Speaker 1: delineations between uh races and classism. You know, that's that's
Speaker 1: just what it is. We're set apart in different neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: and am I right in or So when you get
Speaker 1: to Texas, you know, you would expect because it's a
Speaker 1: predominantly Christian and predominantly white state, you know, aside from
Speaker 1: a lot of the Latino population of Mexican population that's
Speaker 1: over there. Um, you know, you expect them to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more prejudice or something like this is
Speaker 1: these are things we would expect. But when I get
Speaker 1: over there, the moment they found out you're a veteran,
Speaker 1: it's like your kins of them. They will love you.
Speaker 1: They will embrace you and and show you nothing but
Speaker 1: a good time. And that's what I took away from Texas.
Speaker 1: Every time I go to Texas, Texas is really probably
Speaker 1: the most patriotic state in our Union. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: to Texas. It's been a really long time. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have so many guys on the show who are
Speaker 1: who called Texas their home, whether it's Nick Irving, Mike Ritland,
Speaker 1: quin Emerson. Uh yeah, there's a lot of Texans you
Speaker 1: come on here. Um, you know, No matter how people
Speaker 1: want to spend this story, the truth is it was
Speaker 1: a story of a good guy with a gun, though,
Speaker 1: who took down this this I don't think. I think
Speaker 1: in in in observance of the media and the law
Speaker 1: enforcement of Texas, I think they're practicing um in briefing
Speaker 1: the situation, not mentioning the man's name. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: do the same. I'm gonna do the same. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, but I'm gonna I'm gonna I like
Speaker 1: to call him. We'll call him pos piece of ship.
Speaker 1: I get it though, because of the fact that the
Speaker 1: guys who do these types of shootings generally are losers.
Speaker 1: They have nothing going for them. So and this is
Speaker 1: this was a textbooks, textbook case of this guy being
Speaker 1: the biggest fucking loser on earth. Yeah, and and this
Speaker 1: is their way to be immortal is that their name
Speaker 1: will be in you know, books as as for what
Speaker 1: they've done. So I agree, Like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: glamorize the shooter in any way. This guy doesn't deserve
Speaker 1: to be mentioned, and I agree with you there, Um,
Speaker 1: so textbook case of the good guy with a gun
Speaker 1: dealing with the bad guy would have gone. So this
Speaker 1: individual shouldn't I even had the right to purchase a
Speaker 1: weapon because he was already convicted in the military court
Speaker 1: for domestic violence. And from what I understand, this guy
Speaker 1: was a complete monster, and he was convicted of domestic
Speaker 1: abused domestic battery, and a part of those charges was
Speaker 1: that he actually cracked his steps on skull, a part
Speaker 1: of you know, within this altercation, who the hell is
Speaker 1: gonna one injure a child enough to crack his skull
Speaker 1: in anger and then beat the crap out of his mom.
Speaker 1: And then he served I want to say, he served
Speaker 1: a year or so in military in the brig and
Speaker 1: then he got out dishonorable discharge. And the fault actually
Speaker 1: lies in the Knick system for not updating the federal
Speaker 1: database with his convictions or his charges. So then he
Speaker 1: was allowed to continue on and purchase these weapons. I
Speaker 1: think they was saying he was probably purchasing one or
Speaker 1: two a year, so he had he was amassing an armory.
Speaker 1: So that being said, um, the incident wasn't that of
Speaker 1: a domestic terrorists, I think, as in he had no um,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a political agenda or religious agenda. So
Speaker 1: you know, so what he did was absolute terror, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, But what it was was more of
Speaker 1: a personal agenda because well because from what I understand
Speaker 1: is he was upset with his in laws because he
Speaker 1: had a child with a woman and it didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and he was upset with his in laws and the family,
Speaker 1: and I guess wanted to do something in their view
Speaker 1: to piss them off or to you know, kind of
Speaker 1: get um revenge or something on something that he felt
Speaker 1: they did to him or whatnot. And they attended this church,
Speaker 1: even his um, his ex attended this church at some point,
Speaker 1: but they weren't here at this time. So he decided
Speaker 1: to go in there and do that very thing. So
Speaker 1: you know that that to me, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: sad definitely a sad situation. You know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: even speak about the what's what I hear this? I
Speaker 1: want to say the youngest victim was somewhere near eighteen months. Yeah. Disgusting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely disgusting, And I hope this guy rots and
Speaker 1: fucking hell Yeah, and It's one of those things where
Speaker 1: I think people who politicize it, you know, no matter
Speaker 1: from what end act, like if there was the right
Speaker 1: gun control legislation, or if we stopped or if we
Speaker 1: had better mental health care, that it would stop these
Speaker 1: types of actions. And like, I think this is a
Speaker 1: consequence of living in a free society that you have
Speaker 1: very sick individuals who, no matter what drugs, the same
Speaker 1: thing happened in the situation. And these are these are
Speaker 1: individuals that had you know, they had mental issues. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about one who this this individual who had
Speaker 1: a criminal record in the military for domestic violence and
Speaker 1: also child abuse. That's fucking mental you know, who in
Speaker 1: their right mind would bring theirlves to bring themselves to
Speaker 1: that point more or so, the situation that happened in Connecticut,
Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook shooting, and that was an individual plagued
Speaker 1: by mental health I was able to get his hands
Speaker 1: on weapons purchased by his mother. So you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's there's this coincidence, and this coincidence, there's this uh,
Speaker 1: this repetitive pattern so to speak, that is occurring here
Speaker 1: with mental health. What I want to stay away from, though,
Speaker 1: is what the Clintons were trying to accomplish in categorizing
Speaker 1: veterans who are getting um conversation for PTSD or TB
Speaker 1: I within this, I think it was not uh yeah,
Speaker 1: Janet Napolitano. When the Obama administration put out that list
Speaker 1: of like potential terrorists and likes, it's a majority of veterans.
Speaker 1: Veterans were on that list. It was of course, it
Speaker 1: was Ron Paul supporters, veterans like anti abortion activists, Damniti Republicans,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, let's be honest. So, uh,
Speaker 1: what I want to say and express is that PTSD
Speaker 1: or t B I whatever you want to category categorize
Speaker 1: it as there's a wide range of different ailments that
Speaker 1: they ball up into that one that one um um category,
Speaker 1: that one label. Okay, but you know, let's say for myself.
Speaker 1: You know, I I am diagnosed with PTSD, but my
Speaker 1: p T PTSD comes in the form of emotional detachment.
Speaker 1: I can't really care about things that I love if
Speaker 1: I feel as if I'm gonna lose it at some point.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's whatever. When it comes to relationships
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, it starts to really like but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to turn around, grab a shipload of
Speaker 1: guns and do or conduct this heinous acts. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Pull up what Alex Holland said, because it's
Speaker 1: the exact same thing you're saying, and you guys are
Speaker 1: both marines. He was like, yes, I do have PTSD.
Speaker 1: He's like, but the worst thing that happens with me,
Speaker 1: he's gotta walk myself in the basement for a little bit,
Speaker 1: like you know, eat a lot, maybe you know, and
Speaker 1: it's it's because you know, it's it's hard to deal
Speaker 1: with that reality of what we know the human species
Speaker 1: is capable of and then still have the function in
Speaker 1: society where that's kind of like, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: tarp thrown over it, where you know, we're not supposed
Speaker 1: to admit that at any given moment, someone could rent
Speaker 1: a freaking truck from home depot and fucking run over,
Speaker 1: you know, eight individuals on a fucking bicycle path. We
Speaker 1: have to be able to say, no, it's okay, everything's
Speaker 1: peachy and sunny, right, and but we're we, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, were exposed to the ugly side of humanity,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to conduct relationships there on after the fact.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. So we have this detachment,
Speaker 1: we have the standoff approach to society in general. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're psychotic. It doesn't mean like, what was
Speaker 1: that fucking Shyla buff movie that ship that he just
Speaker 1: released where somehow PTS turned into fucking dementia and now
Speaker 1: he's fucking living in war but he's a bum at
Speaker 1: the same time, and you know he wants to kidnap
Speaker 1: his son and what the funk was that about? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I don't live in La la land
Speaker 1: where there's fucking uh fairies flying around me and ship
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I'm not delusional. I just understand
Speaker 1: that there's a certain there's a certain profoundness to the
Speaker 1: human nature where you can look deep down into and say,
Speaker 1: there's an agenda to this person, and if this person
Speaker 1: wants to pursue their agenda, they're willing to do X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z. Not everyone approaches relationships like that, you know,
Speaker 1: so veterans we do because we see the ugliness of humanities.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say, so what I don't want
Speaker 1: to do is I want to stay away from categorizing
Speaker 1: ourselves or those those minute or those small um small um.
Speaker 1: The titles within PTSD all in the same category. So
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta really watch it. And that's that's
Speaker 1: a very slippery slope. So before I comment on saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, um, this individual was a veteran, this guy
Speaker 1: was a piece of fucking ship. First off, he was
Speaker 1: probably some fucking and they said, from what I understand
Speaker 1: was and this is what the news said, he was
Speaker 1: a security specialist. So it's probably some MP or some
Speaker 1: ship like that. I don't know in the air force
Speaker 1: let alone. Um, I don't know if he went overseas.
Speaker 1: I guarantee he didn't serve a day in combat. He
Speaker 1: was just a fucking turd, Okay. So and it's just
Speaker 1: like you could you could sit here and admit and
Speaker 1: although I love and I love my police brothers, I
Speaker 1: love NYPD. My family is and white. But I love
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys and you know, I support them,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think the police officers in this
Speaker 1: you know, law enforcement alos in this in this nation
Speaker 1: have a really tough job and they're amazing individuals that
Speaker 1: go out there and face fucking danger every day. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, there are some fucking turds amongst
Speaker 1: your ranks, and it's like anything else, and and and
Speaker 1: more so in this situation where you can't fucking bawl
Speaker 1: this doupe shit, this douche bag into the same category
Speaker 1: as a fucking combat veteran, as someone that's a patriot,
Speaker 1: as someone that is willing to protect the sheep of
Speaker 1: the world, so to speak. You understand that guard dog,
Speaker 1: that sheep dog, and this guy was not that. So
Speaker 1: I don't want, you know, it's a very slippery slope
Speaker 1: to start categorizing and labeling these things. That's a veteran
Speaker 1: as mass shooter. As you know, we have to watch that, Okay,
Speaker 1: we really do, because then eventually it's gonna start to
Speaker 1: trickle down on guys like me. You know where I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a server of society. I'm a server of the community.
Speaker 1: I'm server of the week. You know, even to this day,
Speaker 1: I'll walk in the street and if anybody is being
Speaker 1: harassed or or or or chastise as some certain extent,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking throw myself in between them and the aggressor.
Speaker 1: Because that's what I do, and that's what we do
Speaker 1: you know it's funny as you say that, And I
Speaker 1: want to get into this article that Mark Miller wrote,
Speaker 1: but um, I agree with what you're saying, that that
Speaker 1: veterans are the type of guys who are gonna throw
Speaker 1: down if they see anyone being harassed, whether it's New
Speaker 1: York City or anywhere else. And I remember that that
Speaker 1: fake article that came out about the girl in the
Speaker 1: job getting beat up by Trump supporters. Remember that came
Speaker 1: out in New York City. And I said that if
Speaker 1: that happened on a subway in New York City, like
Speaker 1: nine times out of tendem might not always be there
Speaker 1: would be someone to fucking go after those guys. And
Speaker 1: Brandon was here next to me, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: would absolutely go after those guys. And I think even
Speaker 1: though the veterans often get wabled as like his lamophobes
Speaker 1: or anything, I feel like if I, if you, Brandon Jack,
Speaker 1: saw that happened, you wouldn't allow that to just take place.
Speaker 1: It's it's like I mentioned this in my book and
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I'll talk about the situation for those of
Speaker 1: you guys who haven't read my book. So we're in
Speaker 1: this um hospital complex and Baghdad, right, and we've already
Speaker 1: lost at this point, we lost fellow brothers. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got into a few ticks. You know, we've had
Speaker 1: artillery attacks, mortar attacks like you know, ship was real.
Speaker 1: So we get to this hospital complex and we're starting
Speaker 1: to witness you know, rape victims. Um, they're an over
Speaker 1: there's an overflowing excess of bodies. So now we have
Speaker 1: these trucks outside. They're supposed to be cold or maintaining
Speaker 1: some cooling, but they're not working. And you know, these
Speaker 1: box trucks, and we have bodies in there and they're
Speaker 1: starting to rot, you know. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: crap going on in this hospital. And more so, you
Speaker 1: gotta understand the municipality of bag that is not really functioning.
Speaker 1: So a lot of these a lot of these doctors,
Speaker 1: a lot of these nurses are not getting paid. Yet
Speaker 1: they're still coming to work. As much as we try
Speaker 1: to make it sound like we could go in there
Speaker 1: and make this like a Jeffersonian democracy, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: work that way. But these people, for their own accord,
Speaker 1: are still coming to work knowing that they're probably not
Speaker 1: gonna They don't know when their next paycheck is coming in,
Speaker 1: but they know they have a civic duty to their
Speaker 1: people exactly. Try. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. They're
Speaker 1: still coming to work. So we went there to secure
Speaker 1: the facility and enable these individuals to do their job
Speaker 1: and maintain this hospital, you know. And we're there and
Speaker 1: we're witnessing all these atrocious acts and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: And so you gotta understand our our current state of
Speaker 1: mind is just pure. What the fuck we get an
Speaker 1: individual and this is a story that was told to me,
Speaker 1: you know, a third party or second party. This individual
Speaker 1: comes up to UM marines that are at a checkpoint
Speaker 1: and it so happens to be Weapons Company marines, which
Speaker 1: they have the cat vehicles. They're you know, they're all
Speaker 1: set up and they're on the perimeter. And um, this
Speaker 1: lady from what I from what I was told this story,
Speaker 1: the female told these marines that someone or a group
Speaker 1: of guys went into her father's restaurant or her father's
Speaker 1: place of business and bullied them and pushed them out
Speaker 1: of the place of business to take it over. Because
Speaker 1: that's what's fucking going on at this time. Know, its war,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no civil authority, so that those guys
Speaker 1: that will and can will take you know, so that
Speaker 1: those guys that are willing to fucking do this this evil,
Speaker 1: to conduct this evil, will go ahead and fucking strong
Speaker 1: arm the weak and and try to take property, try
Speaker 1: to take business. And so that's what was going on.
Speaker 1: So the lieutenant at that time of the cat opportun
Speaker 1: actually fucking sent out there's only a couple of blocks
Speaker 1: away from the hospital, sent out some of his boys
Speaker 1: to go over it. But he didn't he didn't send
Speaker 1: him out to go with it, to investigate, to hold
Speaker 1: down the perimeter, to know. His words were, go there,
Speaker 1: fucking drop your blouses and beat the ship out these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's and let them know what's up. So they went
Speaker 1: over there, literally dropped their blousses, got off their fucking humbies,
Speaker 1: dropped their blouses and whooped these motherfucker's asses and kicked
Speaker 1: them off of the neighborhood. Kick them out of the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: No better friend, no worse and him that's who we are,
Speaker 1: you know, understand and that that and that's what we do. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's tough to kind of like ball
Speaker 1: us all up into the same fucking category as this
Speaker 1: fucking piece of ship. You know what I've always said
Speaker 1: it on the podcast as the loan civilian here is
Speaker 1: that veterans are not a monolith. Um getting into what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say though with Mark Miller's piece. So
Speaker 1: Mark Miller, former Green Beret, and and Mark is a
Speaker 1: big gun rights advocate, um, you know, just to give
Speaker 1: you some of his background. But he wrote a piece
Speaker 1: here that's on soft wrap about you know, for people
Speaker 1: wondering how did this guy get guns? Um, and he
Speaker 1: broke it down after every mass shooting. Uh, come the
Speaker 1: calls for new laws. Let us consider one of the
Speaker 1: thousands of existing laws. The Latinburg Amendment to the Gun
Speaker 1: Control Act of nineteen sixty eight, which took effect in
Speaker 1: makes it a felony for those convicted of misdemeanor crimes
Speaker 1: of domestic violence to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms
Speaker 1: or ammunition. This alone should have prevented the Texas killer
Speaker 1: from ever buying a gun. The Air Force has admitted
Speaker 1: it had failed to enter the killer's domestic violence court
Speaker 1: martial into a federal database that would have lit up
Speaker 1: his background check and blocked him from buying a gun.
Speaker 1: The shooter admitted to beating his wife and fracturing the
Speaker 1: skull of their infant son as part of a pre
Speaker 1: trial agreement. He was convicted in an Air Force military
Speaker 1: court in twelve which you mentioned, at the Holloman Air
Speaker 1: Force Base in New Mexico. He could have received thirty months,
Speaker 1: was only sentenced to twelve months and served the year
Speaker 1: in the in the brig at Miramar Air Force Base
Speaker 1: in California. When you buy a gun from a dealer,
Speaker 1: a Firearms Transition Record or a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Farms,
Speaker 1: Firearms and Explosives, a t F Form four four seven
Speaker 1: three must be filled out. Buying a gun requires a
Speaker 1: complete and signed Form four four seven three, government issued
Speaker 1: photo I D and a national Instant Criminal Background Check
Speaker 1: System and i c S background check. The four fource
Speaker 1: seven three contains a short affid David that the buyer
Speaker 1: is eligible to purchase firearms under federal law. There's a
Speaker 1: series of questions which must be answered correctly or the
Speaker 1: deal or may not sell you the gun. The Texas
Speaker 1: shooter lied on three of these questions, and these are
Speaker 1: the three questions. Have you ever been convicted in any
Speaker 1: court of a felony or any other crime for which
Speaker 1: the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one year,
Speaker 1: even if you received a shorter sentence including probation. Second question,
Speaker 1: have you been discharged from the armed forces under a
Speaker 1: role conditions? And then third, have you ever been convicted
Speaker 1: convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence?
Speaker 1: Uh so lying on this form is a felony. You
Speaker 1: can read the rest at sovereig dot com, but it
Speaker 1: really breaks down the whole thing um. And this was
Speaker 1: not I don't care what side you're coming from, this
Speaker 1: was not a problem. If they're not being a law
Speaker 1: in place that should have prevented this. This was really
Speaker 1: human error problem. And of course people are gonna lie
Speaker 1: in their forms. So it's it's really just tightening up
Speaker 1: the laws that we already have. It's not creating new
Speaker 1: laws that that more so, back back to the biggest point.
Speaker 1: What's the biggest crime this man committed that was already illegal? Yeah, murder?
Speaker 1: And then also it's like, you know, why did you
Speaker 1: get the short sentence for such a painous crime? You know,
Speaker 1: why why would the judge lighten a sentence like that
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens within the military nowadays. I'm looking,
Speaker 1: look what happened to the Bullberg Doll trial. Yeah, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I do want to get into but
Speaker 1: we uh, we actually got to get over to Jesse Davenport's,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm gonna make a mark here that
Speaker 1: we'll get into Bauburg after. And also I want to
Speaker 1: play the audio of the shooter. It's fun. I never
Speaker 1: know with you how how how long you're gonna go, Dude,
Speaker 1: I guess it's all good, man. I we'll get into
Speaker 1: it after. We'll get into it later. That's the great
Speaker 1: thing about podcast is we don't have a time limit. Um,
Speaker 1: but I do want to mention in the intro, rest
Speaker 1: and peace to the legendary Major League Baseball picture two
Speaker 1: times cy Young winner Roy Holliday or Doc Holiday, who
Speaker 1: was an aviator himself and recently bought the eight five
Speaker 1: and that's what I believe he crashed in. And man,
Speaker 1: just sucks to see you guys, forty years old, legend
Speaker 1: in the game. And then to think, you know, like
Speaker 1: I went up. I went up in Brandon's playing, you know,
Speaker 1: which was awesome. I got to fly around he actually
Speaker 1: let me fly, so I got to feel, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was awesome. I got to feel how much control you
Speaker 1: actually have of the plane and stuff like that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, before you start doing stunts and maneuvers. You know,
Speaker 1: Brandon was explaining to me it would probably be a
Speaker 1: good idea to have a parachute and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know. I just want to remind people. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what the situation was here, you know, is
Speaker 1: I'm not speculating anything. I'm just saying anything you do,
Speaker 1: make sure you check all your boxes, you know, because
Speaker 1: there's people that I will love you, There's people that
Speaker 1: need you in their life, so you know, be responsible
Speaker 1: in the things you do day to day. That's all
Speaker 1: I just want to say in this And he'll be
Speaker 1: missed by anyone likes baseball or anyone who's a family
Speaker 1: member more importantly. Um So, before we get to Jesse Davenport,
Speaker 1: which I'm psyched for. I've never heard from Jesse, I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone. Yeah that's the cool thing, Like you
Speaker 1: can google them, you won't find anything. So like the
Speaker 1: great thing I love about software radio, and I really
Speaker 1: mean this is that, Yeah, you'll hear from the Rob
Speaker 1: o'neils of the world or the Nick Irving's guys that
Speaker 1: you can google and you'll find a million things about.
Speaker 1: But then we also have on guys, a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that Jack's brought on and a guy like Jesse
Speaker 1: that the public hasn't really heard from. But then they
Speaker 1: have a lot to learn through us, and and that
Speaker 1: no other podcast is gonna get on unless they start
Speaker 1: reaching out because they heard that we add him on,
Speaker 1: which I thought we do. We do first a lot.
Speaker 1: It is true, man, we do a lot of things first.
Speaker 1: I agree, Like I remember out of that well, I've
Speaker 1: said it before. I remember when I first was brought
Speaker 1: on this podcast. I I don't think there were any
Speaker 1: other major special operations military podcasts. I could be wrong
Speaker 1: in that I know that software was pretty much the first.
Speaker 1: There are some. Um, look, I have all respect for
Speaker 1: any any podcast that wants to do this and do
Speaker 1: it right and do it a unique way. And now
Speaker 1: there's a ton of them. But I think at the
Speaker 1: time all there were were these like blog talk radio
Speaker 1: shows that sound horrendous, Like the sound quality is awful.
Speaker 1: They're not bringing on the calibers yet we are, um,
Speaker 1: you know now there's some other good ones. So it's
Speaker 1: not to talk. But I do believe we were doing
Speaker 1: it way before they were like, you know, a dozen
Speaker 1: military podcast Now I'm not even joking, Like, look in
Speaker 1: the category, there's there's crazy, there's military spouses Radio. The
Speaker 1: reason for the category though that you guys have to reason,
Speaker 1: like a podcast like zero Blog thirty is run by
Speaker 1: Barstool Sports, and Barstool Sports is like is a huge
Speaker 1: thing now, you know, So there's just a lot of competition,
Speaker 1: and competition is good, Like I don't show, which is
Speaker 1: great because that means there's a lot of us starting
Speaker 1: to blossom and starting to you know, come out of
Speaker 1: their shyness and come into the light and say, you know,
Speaker 1: we have a message, we have a story to tell,
Speaker 1: which is awesome. It's the same thing in the book market.
Speaker 1: You know, a few years ago there wasn't a heavy
Speaker 1: saturation and of military books now, you know, between the
Speaker 1: movies and the books. And I just worry about it though,
Speaker 1: because too, if I'm to be completely honest, because one
Speaker 1: of those things where like whatever goes up must come down,
Speaker 1: and I know that this audience can't get enough of
Speaker 1: this stuff. But then I think about the general public,
Speaker 1: who wants to see maybe one or two war movies
Speaker 1: a year, maybe military book. Hollywood, Hollywood and TV has
Speaker 1: a good a good handle on that because I ask
Speaker 1: yourself a question, have you seen, um, what was that
Speaker 1: show Top Shot? Whence the last time you've seen Top Shot?
Speaker 1: I was not a viewer, although we've had but have
Speaker 1: you heard you heard of it? You know, we got on, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jake's Wigg. We haven't had Jake on in a while,
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, Jake's wigg was on Top Shot. Did
Speaker 1: you ever hear Jake's Wiggs? Whole story? Really? So, Jake
Speaker 1: walked off the show and he gets a lot of
Speaker 1: crap for it. But according to Jake, and you know
Speaker 1: he's talked about it on the show with Brandon. I
Speaker 1: don't know the ins and outs. I don't I haven't
Speaker 1: heard the other guys stories. But according to Jake, he
Speaker 1: was winning every single contest and then they started with
Speaker 1: his gun to make things on purpose because reality a
Speaker 1: little bit more interject, they interject confident. At that point,
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not doing and you know that
Speaker 1: they made him look like an asshole. So the funny
Speaker 1: thing is, I remember the first few times Jake's wig
Speaker 1: was on the show, all the comments from people watch
Speaker 1: top show, like I hate this guy. He walked up
Speaker 1: the show and then I think the audience warmed up
Speaker 1: to him. We haven't had Jake on in a while,
Speaker 1: but it's I have a friend who was on the
Speaker 1: show and he almost you know, he made it all
Speaker 1: the way damny. I think Top three eight, Top four
Speaker 1: or something like that. Pete Palmer, he was in my
Speaker 1: last scalf sniper Sniper Patune and he went off and
Speaker 1: they actually allowed him he was still in it, allowed
Speaker 1: him to go do the show, and um not right
Speaker 1: now he's doing MS Clean Kids, which is basically like
Speaker 1: a cleaning kit for your weapon system. That is, uh,
Speaker 1: it fits inside a case that looks like a magazine
Speaker 1: so you can fit it into your gear and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, which is pretty cool. So yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: back to the point, when's the last time you've seen
Speaker 1: Top Shot? When the Sandy Hook happened? M so the
Speaker 1: and this is because I was privy to that information
Speaker 1: through their producers. Um, because of Sandy Hook, they stopped
Speaker 1: Top Shot. So the the temperature or should it should
Speaker 1: I say, the current situation of of gunn How do
Speaker 1: you say this of of that adverse gun attention within
Speaker 1: society actually has a lot to do with the content
Speaker 1: of military like uh shows that are being produced or released.
Speaker 1: A lot of these things are recorded one or two
Speaker 1: years prior to their their tentative dates of release. Although
Speaker 1: as we all as we know, um, every time a
Speaker 1: tragedy like this happens, it boosts up gun sales, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's because because of the banding, but not not
Speaker 1: that people And I'm not saying this, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with this, but the Hollywood sees it is people don't
Speaker 1: don't want to see anything related to weapons, and you know,
Speaker 1: Hollywood is predominantly liberal. That's what it is. That's my point.
Speaker 1: But um, it's just like how the n r A
Speaker 1: and groups have said that Obama was like the greatest
Speaker 1: gun salesman, you know, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 1: because the people were scared of gun rights being taken away.
Speaker 1: I know that we've Jesse whole sorry, definitely is. So
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Speaker 1: the podcast, as Jason kind of said earlier, a guy
Speaker 1: that not only have I not heard from, a lot
Speaker 1: of people haven't heard from. You know, we're used to
Speaker 1: having these guys on the podcast who have either written
Speaker 1: books or own training facilities that are out in the
Speaker 1: public eye, and I know that Jesse is not in
Speaker 1: the public eye. And that's like the great thing about
Speaker 1: the podcast. Um So. Jesse is a former Marine Scott
Speaker 1: sniper served with Jason in combat, but also a former
Speaker 1: Army Green Berets. So you are pretty much with this
Speaker 1: whole podcast is about and and it's an honor to
Speaker 1: be speaking with you. Man well thanks, Yeah, it's an
Speaker 1: honor to be on the show. Thanks. So the first
Speaker 1: thing I'm wondering is it's just your basic background, if
Speaker 1: you can kind of sum up. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: heavy question, of course, but what made you want to
Speaker 1: get into the military, and then how did you make
Speaker 1: that transition in two different branches? And uh, what are
Speaker 1: you doing now? Uh? Well, actual, I'll answer the last part. First.
Speaker 1: I am medically retired. Uh, and my body just got
Speaker 1: shredded over the years of hard labor. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I joined the Marine Corps. I was twenty two
Speaker 1: when I joined, and uh, I always wanted to bury
Speaker 1: a marine, you know, ever since I was about twelve.
Speaker 1: So finally pulled the trigger on that, and uh had
Speaker 1: an absolute blast. While I was in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1: My army experience was less glorious. I didn't enjoy much
Speaker 1: of it. You have no love like you had love
Speaker 1: in the Marine coll baby, That's what it was. That's
Speaker 1: exactly right, man, A bunch of pretenders and stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: it's sometimes that no ship Jesse. I get emails of
Speaker 1: people that read the book and asked me, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: have you been in contact with Jesse because the way
Speaker 1: I left the book off, you read it already. The
Speaker 1: way I left the book off was, you know, I
Speaker 1: have a feeling. I have a feeling he went in
Speaker 1: the direction of where I thought you went, because you know,
Speaker 1: you're not the type of person to fall off the map,
Speaker 1: especially with me, you know, because there was so much
Speaker 1: love between us. So you know, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: he fell off the map. And to me, I already
Speaker 1: knew you didn't have to explain. You don't got to
Speaker 1: do no fucking maintenance with me. You're my brother, So
Speaker 1: I knew it's true, bro, And I'm like that when
Speaker 1: it comes to family, you don't got to do maintenance
Speaker 1: with me. Bro, you will always be. You could call
Speaker 1: me ten years from now and be like, Bro, I
Speaker 1: need you to choke the funk out of somebody, and
Speaker 1: I would do it, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I knew it was for a reason, Yeah, the funk out.
Speaker 1: I don't need that ship. You know, I don't need
Speaker 1: you to tickle me pink, you know. So you know
Speaker 1: my whole thing was I knew he was doing something,
Speaker 1: and you know you have to do your thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I want to answer that
Speaker 1: for the people, like, what's up man, once you've been
Speaker 1: up to brother. Yeah. So I at the end of
Speaker 1: my Marine Corps career, um, what it was our second
Speaker 1: tour overseas at the border of Syria. There in the
Speaker 1: compound that I was on, which was Bob Tiger. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was some KEG operators. UM. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're audience knows what KEG is, but it's always great
Speaker 1: to sum it up. But sum it up for the
Speaker 1: new guys that come on board and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: break it down all right. Well at Delta Force, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the the premier of the premiere of the premiere, um,
Speaker 1: if you will. And uh there pretty locked on dudes.
Speaker 1: And they kind of recruited me because me and I
Speaker 1: took a couple of snipers down with with me and
Speaker 1: we we sat and chatted with him and just kind
Speaker 1: of picked their brain for a little bit, and they
Speaker 1: said told me to look him up when I got
Speaker 1: back to the States. Well, I got back to the
Speaker 1: States and I was like two months from getting out, um,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't about to re enlist in the Marine
Speaker 1: Corps for a shot at Delta. I wanted out of
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps and uh, yeah, anyway, so I ended
Speaker 1: up joining the eighteen X ray program for special Forces.
Speaker 1: UM and uh. I don't know if you guys know
Speaker 1: what that is. Yeah I do. But explain that to
Speaker 1: some of the younger kids that are coming in, because
Speaker 1: that's something they might come in on. So, yeah, that
Speaker 1: actually is true. Well, the eighteen X ray program started
Speaker 1: out as a recruiting program UM to get people with
Speaker 1: life experience like that have been in college or run
Speaker 1: a business or different you know fields and um, and
Speaker 1: get them into special Forces so that they could have
Speaker 1: specialties within the ranks. What it turned into and I
Speaker 1: think it was right after Rumsfeld said hey, we're going
Speaker 1: to double the amount of special Forces guys. Um. He
Speaker 1: uh said a lot of things in motion, I'll just say,
Speaker 1: and it turned into a high school recruiting program. Um.
Speaker 1: And so I was, hold on, we're quick. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to cut you off, but I've heard from a lot
Speaker 1: of cats, a lot of green Berets that that kind
Speaker 1: of water down the program a line. What I mean
Speaker 1: by the program, I mean by the unit. So go
Speaker 1: on from there. Yeah, yeah, that it did. It watered
Speaker 1: it down a lot. It just it basically became like
Speaker 1: another boot camp and I wasn't up for that. Um
Speaker 1: I signed on and I was there for probably a
Speaker 1: year and a half, going through the Q course, and
Speaker 1: um so the original reason I joined just because the
Speaker 1: recruiter that I called when I got home said hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: just joined the next RAE program and hit us up
Speaker 1: when you're done, you know. So I was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: and I'm totally ignorant, and I thought, you know, if
Speaker 1: I just go through the Q course, I can call
Speaker 1: these guys and go over there. Yeah. So, anyway, you
Speaker 1: know QUE courses two years there, they're going to make
Speaker 1: you be on a team for at least two years
Speaker 1: before they let you go anywhere. Um So, you know
Speaker 1: I was looking at I think I re enlisted for
Speaker 1: five years and or enlisted in the army for five years,
Speaker 1: and I was looking at that entire time being taken
Speaker 1: up and this is this is you. You've given yourself
Speaker 1: enough time to achieve what you wanted to achieve. That's
Speaker 1: why you did Okay, got it? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah
Speaker 1: that I actually I left that program and they actually
Speaker 1: didn't want me to leave for like two weeks. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't even let me leave I thought I was having
Speaker 1: troubles at home or something, but they knew I wasn't
Speaker 1: a cake eater, so um, they wanted to keep me around.
Speaker 1: But I ended up making up some BS story and
Speaker 1: getting out of there. But um, it was yeah, that
Speaker 1: that program turned SF at that time. I don't know
Speaker 1: where it's at right now, but at that time, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of really young guys that you know,
Speaker 1: you still got that chip on your shoulder when you're
Speaker 1: at that age and you think you're just big and
Speaker 1: bad and you don't know anything, you know, Uh, and
Speaker 1: it was really hard to be around. I just I
Speaker 1: couldn't stomach it. It was it wasn't It wasn't the
Speaker 1: professionalism you thought you were walking into. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And even not not not for nothing, it wasn't the
Speaker 1: professionalism you deserved personally, you sir, Yes, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: through too much at that point. You're right about that, Ja,
Speaker 1: we had been through too much at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: you get treated like a recruit again. Um. I was
Speaker 1: ready to you know, continue my growing my skills and
Speaker 1: become a better, better sniper, you know, But that wasn't
Speaker 1: the case. And even even some of the senior SF guys.
Speaker 1: Now they're I'm let me just say this real quick
Speaker 1: because I don't want to bag on the SF community. Um,
Speaker 1: there are some really locked on, awesome dudes that I
Speaker 1: met in the Q course that we're senior guys there.
Speaker 1: That they were pretty there, they were solid, and you know,
Speaker 1: SF has great people in it. It's funny that Jesse
Speaker 1: says this because I've sort of heard the same thing
Speaker 1: from Jack Murphy. Um. You know, Jack Murphy, our editor
Speaker 1: in chief, is former Army Ranger, former Green Beret. But
Speaker 1: I always noticed that Jack murphyple say Army ranger before anything,
Speaker 1: and like his Twitter handles, Jack Murphy RGR. People have
Speaker 1: asked him about and yeah, he just thinks of himself
Speaker 1: as an Army Ranger first. And it was it was
Speaker 1: a better experience for him, I guess, similar to the
Speaker 1: Marines was a better experience for you. Yeah, way better. Actually,
Speaker 1: I thrived as a Marine sniper and I just I
Speaker 1: was just bored out of my mind during the Q course.
Speaker 1: To be honest with it was easy for me. It
Speaker 1: was I'm not trying to like say O ye or anything,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was a breeze and I Honestly,
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be a little more challenge. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: people also know to become a Marine scolled sniper also
Speaker 1: means you're gonna endure a certain amount of hell as well.
Speaker 1: So I could see where it was like us. Remember
Speaker 1: when we had a third and my third indoctrination in Okinawa,
Speaker 1: we went to sniper school. After that, it was like
Speaker 1: taking three steps backwards because it was that much fucking torture,
Speaker 1: so so much at that point already. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was about the same way man. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and I pushed myself even further than what the Marine
Speaker 1: sniper community pushed me to. Um, you know, on the weekends,
Speaker 1: I go, there's a Mount San Jacinto. They're down by
Speaker 1: twenty one palms, California, And I'd go started about and
Speaker 1: went up to about eleven thousand, and I'd run ten
Speaker 1: miles uphill and then run ten miles back on the weekends.
Speaker 1: So let me Uh, it's so, Jesse, it's so for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Um, I wrote about
Speaker 1: it in my book, Jesse is he was my partner,
Speaker 1: my first fucking real partner in combat and in scott
Speaker 1: Sniper School. Right, Jesse so so we got stuck together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got stuck together. But you know what A yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. But you know what it click?
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was fucking destiny
Speaker 1: bro that we had to like just bond together and
Speaker 1: click together. So um, Jesse. Actually, if you get for
Speaker 1: those of you guys who know a little bit of history,
Speaker 1: Saren Major, Michael Barrett he was at that time, was
Speaker 1: the first Aren't and we had already conducted our second
Speaker 1: in my second and DOT. I'm sorry, I don't want
Speaker 1: to say our my second INDOT because I failed the
Speaker 1: first those of you guys who know the book, because
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking cocky piece of ship. So so I
Speaker 1: made it on the second and DOC thanks to Jack Coughlin.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the guys in our community
Speaker 1: hate that motherfucker, but I love that motherfucker because it
Speaker 1: gave me my shot. So you know, I got it
Speaker 1: on the second in DOC and after we were done
Speaker 1: with the end, literally a day after fucking sorry Major
Speaker 1: Barret first, aren't Barrett Starr Major out of respect because
Speaker 1: that's who the funk he was. You know, he comes
Speaker 1: into the sniper patuone and ain't no motherfucker on earth
Speaker 1: gonna contradict. Sorry, Major Barrett. Yeah, so those of you
Speaker 1: know that that, you know what, well, there if that
Speaker 1: motherfucker says jump, you say, motherfucker, when you want me
Speaker 1: to come down? Not how high? Because I was staying
Speaker 1: in the air, bitch, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: he comes to the sniper patuna. He says, I got
Speaker 1: this guy. His name is Jesse Davenport. I want him
Speaker 1: in the platoon. That's all he fucking said. Anyway, And
Speaker 1: I remember because I was there listening to get out
Speaker 1: the conversation. You don't know that, and I'm telling you
Speaker 1: this right now. I was there on the conversation. He
Speaker 1: said I want this guy. He's coming in, and then
Speaker 1: that's it. They're like, okay, cool, And next thing you know,
Speaker 1: we got briefed as a bunch of new pigs that
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a new pig, and they were kind
Speaker 1: of like softening the blow for us, basically letting us
Speaker 1: know that you didn't have to do the indoctrination. You
Speaker 1: did it, motherfucker. You came in a day after we
Speaker 1: did the indoctrination because I guess you were afterthought too.
Speaker 1: Sorry Major Barretts, you know in Barretts sorry Major Barrett's life,
Speaker 1: and he must have said, oh yeah, fun, ye, hold on,
Speaker 1: hey here pushed this motherfucker in the patuon. So you
Speaker 1: came into the fucking Patun and we were all like,
Speaker 1: kind of semi bitter. We're like, man, this motherfucker didn't
Speaker 1: die with us and all this bullshit. So whatever, long
Speaker 1: story show you came into Patun, but long and behold,
Speaker 1: we didn't know they had more cynical plans for us
Speaker 1: in which when we went to Okinawa, these motherfucker's had
Speaker 1: a whole other in doctor, which was my third fucking indoctrination,
Speaker 1: you know planned. So you know that's where you know,
Speaker 1: we paid our bones. That we were deployed over there
Speaker 1: out in the jungle. Say it again, Say it again,
Speaker 1: say that ship again, Give me those numbers, baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we were we were deployed for six months and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean that we spent our total of uh four
Speaker 1: months in the field and the junk constantly just training.
Speaker 1: Just this ain't no woods, say yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: this is the fucking jungle. This ship was real. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: remember those spiders, the fucking banana spiders. These things were
Speaker 1: at face level huge about the size of your palm
Speaker 1: and the patrols and you'd walk into one of their
Speaker 1: webs and you always just start freaking out. I got
Speaker 1: fun and goose bumps right now talking about them, like
Speaker 1: I'm just fucking doing the heapie gebs right now. That's
Speaker 1: this good thing. So yeah, needless to say, you know,
Speaker 1: a man of sorry major Barrett's caliber vouch for Jesse
Speaker 1: Darrenport to come into our sniper But it more so
Speaker 1: he proved himself in that hillacious um indoctrination that we did,
Speaker 1: which was damn near a sniper school, but six months
Speaker 1: long instead of what was it at that time we
Speaker 1: went through it was what ten weeks long sniper school,
Speaker 1: So it was more than it was six months long,
Speaker 1: this sniper school. So and he proved himself, and you
Speaker 1: know we became very close at that time. We were roommates, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, I remember we used to have a
Speaker 1: little tradition that we'd we'd scrubbed the crap out of
Speaker 1: our barracks room before we'd leave for the field, so
Speaker 1: when we come back and be all clean and pristine
Speaker 1: and nights and everything we could relax. I was I
Speaker 1: was saying. I was saying to um, I was saying
Speaker 1: to a couple of my friends that you were the
Speaker 1: fucking guy that actually made my ears open up to
Speaker 1: music because I was I was in you know, I'm
Speaker 1: from New York. I love my hip hop. I love
Speaker 1: mine at that time, you know component Oreaga Nas Biggie
Speaker 1: and all that. You know, I was into that, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was into pushing my agenda, like, you know,
Speaker 1: fuck you New York. But that's what we did. But
Speaker 1: Jesse was the first guy to like introduce me to
Speaker 1: Bob Seeger introduced me to what big head Todd and
Speaker 1: the machine or whatever you know, and the monsters. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: so you know, And and like I would, yeah, we would.
Speaker 1: We would listen to and Shoddy. We would remember Lovers Rock,
Speaker 1: that album Lovers Rock and No Homo, Okay, no Home.
Speaker 1: I gotta say that. I said that a couple of times.
Speaker 1: And you guys, No Homo. We would listen to fucking
Speaker 1: Lovers Rock and just pass out to that ship in
Speaker 1: the like you were the most easy going, fucking white
Speaker 1: boy I've ever met in my life. Like you really
Speaker 1: like change my perspective of the world. You really did.
Speaker 1: Like after you, it was like everyone's pretty much cool. Man,
Speaker 1: It really was. You know that you showed me that, brother,
Speaker 1: you really did on that appreciate that compliment. No, it's true, man,
Speaker 1: you really did. And you were older than me. So
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from you. I also learned how
Speaker 1: to be responsible. And also I remember when you and
Speaker 1: and and and done and all this. Motherfuck you bitches
Speaker 1: were so o c D. You will work on your
Speaker 1: gear all fucking day long, and I was such a
Speaker 1: piece of fucking ship man, and and you would. You
Speaker 1: would come in and you would work on your gear
Speaker 1: for hours, and then I would just it would rub
Speaker 1: off on me and next thing, you know, I would
Speaker 1: like silence on my equipment. And for those of you
Speaker 1: guys out there like silencing, it means like you're taping
Speaker 1: all all the metal buckles and fastening it down so
Speaker 1: that what you're patrolling it's not clicking or clanging and
Speaker 1: making noise. So you know, we like, uh, sounds like
Speaker 1: a bunch of pots and pans walking through the woods
Speaker 1: either if you don't silence it. So uh So basically
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of get into um, um combat
Speaker 1: get into your your your initial uh, your initial mindset
Speaker 1: when we were told after sniper school, you know, because
Speaker 1: you know, after that, we knew we were going, but
Speaker 1: we didn't really know we were going, you know, because
Speaker 1: when we went to sniper school, it wasn't really it
Speaker 1: was it was after nine eleven, granted, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: really a declaration of we're going in. Yeah we haven't been,
Speaker 1: Yeah we haven't declared war yet. What was your mentality
Speaker 1: once we showed up to Kuwait? Man, it was a
Speaker 1: culture shock. Um. I will say this though, being in
Speaker 1: twenty nine palms, Uh, the the environmental culture shock of
Speaker 1: if you will, or you know that that environment was
Speaker 1: exactly what we've been living in for three years at
Speaker 1: that point already, so there was no transition with that,
Speaker 1: which was really nice. I always looked back on that
Speaker 1: with fondness because I mean I used to go out
Speaker 1: running on the back side of the desert there, and uh,
Speaker 1: that really prepared me for combat big time. And I
Speaker 1: loved it, damn. But yeah, it was a culture shock, man,
Speaker 1: um was the whole different way of living. Man. I
Speaker 1: think all of us were kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: biggest saucer plates. Just like the first time we took
Speaker 1: a shower was like fucking almost damn me, thirty days
Speaker 1: after fucking across the border. It was ridiculous. I remember,
Speaker 1: and I was in the Ministry of Waters building that
Speaker 1: I took a shower in the sink. I remember. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, but about halfway up up uh,
Speaker 1: before we got to bag that about halfway through, um,
Speaker 1: somebody somehow ended up with a bottle of shampoo. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that. I don't remember this. Tell me, people
Speaker 1: want to know how how valuable shampoo was at the time,
Speaker 1: Please tell me. So we had there was there was
Speaker 1: like a guy. The guy with the bottle of shampoo
Speaker 1: sat and like washed all the other dudes his hair
Speaker 1: and just I guess gotta be a no homo thing, right,
Speaker 1: yeah you have you had another dude and besides your
Speaker 1: head and you know, with damn food, uh you know,
Speaker 1: because your hair gets so stiff and brittle after not
Speaker 1: showering for you know, fifty thirty days, it gets it's
Speaker 1: like a rock and you don't even know it. You
Speaker 1: don't realize how much you stink until you get clean,
Speaker 1: you know. And some like one guy went through and
Speaker 1: got cleaned up, and then everyone was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that smells so good, you know, because you haven't smelled
Speaker 1: anything even halfway a long time. And then people wonder
Speaker 1: why we have the relationships we have as far as
Speaker 1: that that brotherhood mentality that you know, we really endured
Speaker 1: that kind of crap together, and you know, we share
Speaker 1: these ridiculous stories where you know, shampoo could be something
Speaker 1: so major, said Jesse, I remember you found our first showers.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm telling you that hospital. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the hospital. I was actually telling Ian about it. How
Speaker 1: um I was telling him about the weapons platoon where
Speaker 1: the lieutenant actually send a couple of guys to whoops,
Speaker 1: some mass I don't know, a family restaurant or something
Speaker 1: from what I remember, because some thugs stick over the
Speaker 1: restaurant or whatever. So we were talking about the hospital area.
Speaker 1: But you're right, you're you're remember in the hospital. I
Speaker 1: mentioned this in my books, So Thoughse, you guys can
Speaker 1: follow along in the book. What did we do for
Speaker 1: the doctors and the nurses in the hospital once we
Speaker 1: find please tell them? So we found this underground parking lot.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, the first the first part we got
Speaker 1: to was all those old old I actually still have
Speaker 1: pictures of those. I send you some of those pictures.
Speaker 1: You have the Mercedes and the Rolls and all that.
Speaker 1: The most beautiful car I've ever seen. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what it is. And I'm gonna try to see
Speaker 1: if we could get some of those pictures up on
Speaker 1: maybe at least the Instagram so you could see something
Speaker 1: we're talking about. So these cars were like, it was amazing,
Speaker 1: perfectly restored. If they'd ever even been driven, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. And they were like in museum shape, and
Speaker 1: they all had a plaqueard explaining what they were. Remember,
Speaker 1: I had to crawl into the vents. I had to
Speaker 1: crawl into the events to open the door, or you
Speaker 1: crawled in right behind. I don't remember if I opened
Speaker 1: the door or you called the right behead of me.
Speaker 1: For that one, we couldn't get through the through that.
Speaker 1: There was a giant steel sliding door, huge, twelve ft tall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing was gigantic and you know, twenty ft long,
Speaker 1: and we couldn't get through. There's no way to get
Speaker 1: through it. So I happened to glance up and see
Speaker 1: that ventilation duct and I was like hey, and I
Speaker 1: was way shorter than any of us, so it was
Speaker 1: dark as it couldn't get any dark. It was like
Speaker 1: a ton of That was my version of Vietnam ton
Speaker 1: of rat that I did my part. I went in
Speaker 1: there with my flashlight and my motherfucking pistol and I
Speaker 1: crawled in that fucking vent and I went into that
Speaker 1: God knows what was on the other side. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: God knows what was on the other side of that
Speaker 1: fucking thing. But I went in there with my pistol
Speaker 1: and my flashlight and I crawled in that vent and
Speaker 1: I discovered a treasure trove on the other side. That
Speaker 1: was That was so cool, man. That was like a
Speaker 1: defining moment for me, Like I'll remember that for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. And then what do we do?
Speaker 1: We sat in every car, We enjoyed the Yeah that
Speaker 1: in every car. I actually, uh, shamefully, I'll admit, I
Speaker 1: stole the keys from the one beautiful car that I had.
Speaker 1: I threw them away eventually because I felt bad about
Speaker 1: stealing some stuff. But yeah, I stole the keys from
Speaker 1: the one car. Everything like the Mercedes, the KKs, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that was My favorite one. That's the
Speaker 1: one I remember that most, That silver one. Yeah, she's bad.
Speaker 1: That was so sharp. I think you grabbed. No, I
Speaker 1: did not. I wouldn't dare destroy that, but I think, no,
Speaker 1: don't look at me like that. Damn it. But we
Speaker 1: said to ourselves, let's enjoy these cars because the moment
Speaker 1: this lets out what's going to happen. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, we saw Motherfucker's with their
Speaker 1: three day of sault packs. Would sucking Mercedes ambulance, That's
Speaker 1: what it was. That's right, yea, I remember that now.
Speaker 1: So we were all like disappointed, and that's why we
Speaker 1: like took our pictures and stuff like that and like
Speaker 1: sat at him because they're like, man, as soon as
Speaker 1: the whole battalion finds this place, they're going to come
Speaker 1: in here and just trash everything and exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, you know, But you know that's in
Speaker 1: the affairs, and all's fair in love and war, right,
Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know White, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, No, I need to get this out, Okay.
Speaker 1: I need people on the stack, because I think we've
Speaker 1: been going on long enough and people like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a regular fucking guy. This is Jesse Down. Who
Speaker 1: the hell is this guy? No, I need people to
Speaker 1: understand who this man. Who this man is to me? So,
Speaker 1: this man, Jesse Davenport, is probably one of the best
Speaker 1: one shot, one kill snipers I've ever worked with. And
Speaker 1: you know, I've worked with a couple of blush blushing
Speaker 1: way bro, you deserve it. So what I want to
Speaker 1: say is, please, for for the people out there, please
Speaker 1: walk me through your first one shot one killed. When
Speaker 1: we win Dowin Neo or whatever the hell you call
Speaker 1: that town. Uh is that the eight yard shot? Yes, sir, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the y'alla bridge we had. I don't even I
Speaker 1: don't remember how we got on top of this building. Um,
Speaker 1: we went radio SIDNNCE. That kind of just took off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of went off on our own, just and
Speaker 1: just decided to cover the battalion the best way we do.
Speaker 1: And plus there was a lot of radio chatter at
Speaker 1: that time, so we're like, let's shut this ship off,
Speaker 1: let's do what we gotta do, and you know, let's
Speaker 1: let's go to work. Yeah. So then we were sitting
Speaker 1: on top of the of the building and I actually
Speaker 1: had shot a guy right before that. Um. But the
Speaker 1: second guy I shot was that eight hundred yard shot.
Speaker 1: And we were looking around trying to spot stuff. And
Speaker 1: I don't remember who spotted him, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't remember if it was you and me that's found him.
Speaker 1: But um, this guy in the black pajamas, you know, sitting,
Speaker 1: he was behind the parapet and I don't if for
Speaker 1: those that don't know what the parapet is, it's like
Speaker 1: a little wall that, you know, a little too three
Speaker 1: football that they have around the tops of their buildings. Um.
Speaker 1: And he was standing kind of behind that. Um, so
Speaker 1: everything from his waist down was covered. And uh so
Speaker 1: I was like, Jane, Jane, you know, hey, here's a dude. Man.
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, you laced it out or like
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we were ahead because my
Speaker 1: range finder, no, my no, my range finders were working
Speaker 1: at that time. They got blown up. Like later on
Speaker 1: that day when I put the C four charge on
Speaker 1: the gate. Yeah it worked that time, that's all that matters. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So okay, so then we got the range and then
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, man, I need a win
Speaker 1: call and you're just you licked your finger and stuck
Speaker 1: it up in the air and you're like two left.
Speaker 1: I was like good enough. I sit in there, pulled
Speaker 1: the triggers and the head and kicked back. I actually
Speaker 1: didn't get to see that happened. I saw because I
Speaker 1: was so f y. I he's really downplaying the situation.
Speaker 1: So I gave him the wink call. And it was
Speaker 1: the right wind call. Guys, it was me doing my mathematics. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I gave him the right wigle. But I gave it,
Speaker 1: and I gave it in a in a um, in
Speaker 1: a ridiculous kind of way, you know. I licked my finger,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was just joking around because at
Speaker 1: this point we were, you know, shooting that guy's dropping guys,
Speaker 1: Like Jesse said, he already drops someone, Like we're in
Speaker 1: full mode here. But everyone knows me on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm a clown. I'm a clown in any situation. I
Speaker 1: think it's my defense mechanism when I'm scared. I kind
Speaker 1: of like make light of situations. I like to interject comedy.
Speaker 1: So I licked my finger and I say, in a
Speaker 1: British voice, it's about wanting to half right. Governor and
Speaker 1: then Jesse responds, he goes Roger and a half fright,
Speaker 1: and he puts it in on the gun and then
Speaker 1: I go, you know, on target, and he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, on scope and he goes on target
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, red ready and he
Speaker 1: lets the shot girl. And he doesn't remember this, and
Speaker 1: we talked about this before. We'll bring it back up,
Speaker 1: but you know, he and you know, he sends it
Speaker 1: out and all I see is this guy like his
Speaker 1: and come up to his face. Pink miss just blows
Speaker 1: out the back of his head and he just drops
Speaker 1: behind this parapet and I just remember just yelling. I
Speaker 1: think that's how Jesse knew he hit the guy. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you and we just got
Speaker 1: up off of the parapet and we started dancing. Like
Speaker 1: what happened while we were dancing, Jesse, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what. The bullets flying over, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, And it was so strange at that time.
Speaker 1: Soon it sounded like little hunting birds. It's like flying
Speaker 1: by really fast, you know, and you know, because we
Speaker 1: we hadn't really been shot at, you know, in close
Speaker 1: proximity for up to that point, so we didn't really
Speaker 1: know what a bullet going by your head sounded like.
Speaker 1: So we're like, man, what is that bugger bird or
Speaker 1: whatever that keeps going by? I call that an angry bee.
Speaker 1: It's not like an angry bee. I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: We're like, what the hell is this? Yeah? So I
Speaker 1: think it dawned on us both and like at the
Speaker 1: same time, crapse a bullets and uh that we got
Speaker 1: down after. So we got down, we sat behind the
Speaker 1: parapet and I think I let off like twelve, two
Speaker 1: or three rounds. I was telling him. I know, I
Speaker 1: let off to twelve. I had the whole subload. I
Speaker 1: became a one man artillery piece and just let off
Speaker 1: in that general direction. The shooting eventually stopped and we
Speaker 1: came down. So that's not all science and wars. It
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. It was ridiculous, all right. So the second
Speaker 1: one shot one kill that you did when we were
Speaker 1: in the Ministry of Waters building, Before we get into
Speaker 1: current affairs and everything, I I just need the world
Speaker 1: to know this. Please, let's make it brief. What happened
Speaker 1: where we were on that rooftop. There was some looting
Speaker 1: going on going on, and next you know, we heard
Speaker 1: a k gunfire going off and downstairs, and we looked
Speaker 1: over the building and started observing, and what do we see.
Speaker 1: So there was this kid came running out from behind
Speaker 1: the building where it the gunfire had been coming from.
Speaker 1: And um, he was carrying a a and he was
Speaker 1: on a I mean a dead sprint. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever seen a deer on that fast. He was
Speaker 1: freaking flying across this big, huge it was like a
Speaker 1: city center, you know, like a city square, you know,
Speaker 1: but it was around and there's a bunch of crap there. Um,
Speaker 1: it was a gigantic intersection. That's probably the best way
Speaker 1: to say it. And so he started freaking cooking and
Speaker 1: he disappeared behind the statue, um from our point of view,
Speaker 1: and I picked him up on the other side. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I didn't put any scientific anything into that. I just felt.
Speaker 1: I actually just felt the shot because at that you
Speaker 1: felt it. But I think the lead I gave you
Speaker 1: was probably like, I want to say, two and a
Speaker 1: half mills. He was running. This kid was like in
Speaker 1: a dead sprint, and I said two and a half
Speaker 1: mills that you were leading him to the left, so
Speaker 1: because he was running for I gotta I gotta be
Speaker 1: honest about that story though I don't even know that.
Speaker 1: I know it's cool. I don't do that, and then
Speaker 1: it's all good. I just remember what I remember, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah. We we both we talked about that
Speaker 1: last time we talked. Both of us remember different details,
Speaker 1: you know, bring up a story after this, but go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, pulled the trigger and that man, that
Speaker 1: guy was running, you know at like mock four and
Speaker 1: then it's like if you were running down a flight
Speaker 1: of stairs as fast as you could possibly humanly go
Speaker 1: and then just hit a wall. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it was like, that's how hard he hit the ground.
Speaker 1: And then there was this giant pull of blood form formed,
Speaker 1: you know after I've never seen anything like that in
Speaker 1: my life. When you broke best shot, that's what it got.
Speaker 1: It looked like it was intentional, as if that kid
Speaker 1: was trying to run into the assphoalt Yeah it did.
Speaker 1: It looked like that was his whole goal, you know,
Speaker 1: his goal was first into that. Oh, I gotta started
Speaker 1: laugh at that, But that was hilarious. That was really
Speaker 1: was pretty awesome. That was a good going man. It
Speaker 1: kind of vindicated it us to our that's the full sprint.
Speaker 1: You shot him at at full sprint, got him one shot,
Speaker 1: was killed and dropped. I remember correctly. That was like
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old kid. It was something crazy, But
Speaker 1: then that was a younger kid that came up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got an award for it. I didn't
Speaker 1: get shipped, no, I I got a NAP. I got
Speaker 1: a NAMP would be but my second deployment I didn't
Speaker 1: get shipped with you know who. We can't mention his name,
Speaker 1: by the way. Uh this motherfucker to give me no credit,
Speaker 1: so um yeah fuck him anyway. UM So what Jesse
Speaker 1: was talking about alluding to last time, which was that
Speaker 1: we remember certain things in sniper school, I didn't write
Speaker 1: this in my book, but I kind of screwed him
Speaker 1: on one day on the range where I read off
Speaker 1: an entire different days of data on his I guess
Speaker 1: that's why I got hot shooter that. Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I may not have got that.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sorry. You probably would have. I wouldn't remember.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even talk to you for like a week
Speaker 1: after that. I was so sorry I didn't remember it.
Speaker 1: To be honest, in my whole world, I'm sorry I was.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, somebody makes mistakes. Jesse. I have a
Speaker 1: question for you with everything going on in this day
Speaker 1: and age, with with what's going on in Texas, with
Speaker 1: all these active shooter situations, with all these um lone
Speaker 1: with wolf attacks that they want to call, like, is
Speaker 1: there anything you do specifically day in and day out
Speaker 1: with your family as far as preparation or yourself, what
Speaker 1: you would would do you do anything to kind of
Speaker 1: like try to mitigate any one of those uh scenarios.
Speaker 1: Um not overly. I always kind of stay on alert
Speaker 1: to my situation and my surroundings. It's just something that
Speaker 1: got drilled into me over and over and over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. So at this point now I
Speaker 1: just pay attention to what's going on around me. It's
Speaker 1: best I can. I mean, I miss stuff too, but
Speaker 1: so if I'm with my family or something, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on high alert all the time everywhere go
Speaker 1: just to make sure that you know, some dude keep
Speaker 1: getting out of a car going to rob a grocery
Speaker 1: store or something like that with a gun, and you know,
Speaker 1: my family is are there, so I always monitor that stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: that's good to go, brother, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I think in this day and age, is necessary
Speaker 1: to be aware of the possibility because you know, we
Speaker 1: were in that mindset and combat, but then when we
Speaker 1: come home, we kind of get desensitized to the possibilities
Speaker 1: of something like that even occurring in this day and age.
Speaker 1: But you know, now with all this that we're facing,
Speaker 1: that's actually surfacing throughout the time frame, but throughout the periods,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we almost have to kind of
Speaker 1: go back to who we were in combat. You know,
Speaker 1: like we have to look at the exits. We have
Speaker 1: to look at you know, what can we do if
Speaker 1: this situation arises, and it's almost fatiguing. I think it's exhausting,
Speaker 1: it really is. Yeah, it becomes second nature, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a little bit exhausting, especially if you're you know,
Speaker 1: so tuned in that you can't just relax. Um. I
Speaker 1: think I've gotten past that point now. Um, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of the second nature keeping you know, situational awareness.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Anyway, Hey, Jesse, I'm wondering with you know,
Speaker 1: the resurgence of of everything happening in the Middle East
Speaker 1: with ISIS and all that, and with your combat experience,
Speaker 1: is there any shift that you'd like to see it
Speaker 1: in foreign policy based on what you've done? Uh, To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, bro, I watched the news, so
Speaker 1: I don't have a clue what's going on overseas um.
Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you why too, because when we
Speaker 1: were overseas in Iraq, we had these reporters embedded with
Speaker 1: us and all kinds of nonsense. And when I remember
Speaker 1: getting back to the States and listening to the news
Speaker 1: and some of the stories that we're being told, and
Speaker 1: it was so far off base, like and I'm not
Speaker 1: even talking about like the liberal left, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about there's just no way they got it right,
Speaker 1: you know, and they got nothing right. And so that
Speaker 1: kind of turned me off to the news. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: just don't pay attention to it anymore. You Know. What's
Speaker 1: interesting is is through this podcast and interviewing veterans and
Speaker 1: Jason I were saying, like earlier on how veterans are
Speaker 1: not a monolith and they all think differently. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of veterans who do get very
Speaker 1: into the news, you know, like you included Jason and
Speaker 1: who were always on top of seeing what's going on.
Speaker 1: And I've talked to other veterans and guys in the
Speaker 1: special operations community who don't follow the news at all
Speaker 1: and their attitude, and I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: your attitude. It is like I was sent over there
Speaker 1: with a purpose. I got whatever I needed to get done.
Speaker 1: And in terms of the politics, I don't really care.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's that's your attitude. But I've
Speaker 1: heard other guys who echo that, Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm that disengaged. You know, I do care how it's handled,
Speaker 1: and but I just I don't have I mean, that
Speaker 1: stuff is way above my pay grade. UM, I was
Speaker 1: just a sniper, you know, all that politics and stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't have a mind for that kind of thing
Speaker 1: that I say that. I guess I was just a snipe.
Speaker 1: The one thing though, that I do think veterans have
Speaker 1: seemed to agree agree upon um and especially Marines. I've
Speaker 1: heard veterans who are not happy with the current presidents,
Speaker 1: some who are, but everybody seemed to like when General
Speaker 1: Maddis got picked, and and I've just heard that he's
Speaker 1: a solid guy from everybody. Do you remember when he
Speaker 1: showed our ass out there? No, that was that was
Speaker 1: actually a Colonel McCoy, was it? No, it was Colonel McCoy,
Speaker 1: and Maddis was next to him, the one who kicked
Speaker 1: the headset of the radio. Because Maddis was there. Let's
Speaker 1: hear that. I mean, people probably want to hear a Maddis,
Speaker 1: But can't believe you didn't remember that, bro, I did
Speaker 1: not remember that. You're right. What happened. We were sitting
Speaker 1: up at a position and we were looking down this
Speaker 1: road and it was probably I don't remember how far
Speaker 1: out it wasn't don't matter, but um, there's this dude
Speaker 1: kept acting just weird. You know. We were just like,
Speaker 1: what's this going on? And he kept getting up and
Speaker 1: getting down, and we didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: But he hopped in a car and started driving as
Speaker 1: fast as he could towards um Are troops. Actually he
Speaker 1: didn't start out that way. Um, he started driving towards
Speaker 1: our troops. UM and we had a whole battalium of
Speaker 1: guys online and there was a tank like I don't
Speaker 1: know what he was thinking, to be honest, uh, And
Speaker 1: so we started driving and then so they fired some
Speaker 1: rounds into his car and then he just freaking I mean,
Speaker 1: he hit the gas like as hard as he could
Speaker 1: and he started just be lining straight to us, and
Speaker 1: they got lit up. Man, that got that dude. You
Speaker 1: remember the grunts that came up over the hill with
Speaker 1: the saw the two because I shot at the windshield
Speaker 1: trying to hit the driver, but I missed him, and
Speaker 1: that's when he accelerated. And then that's when the grunts
Speaker 1: came up over the hill with the two forty on
Speaker 1: and just bad like lit him up and just like
Speaker 1: exploded his head. And next thing you know, he was
Speaker 1: driving towards us because you know, yes, that's right, he
Speaker 1: flumped over in the wheel and jerked the car towards us.
Speaker 1: And we get I think we got away from that situation.
Speaker 1: JA was like within inches of our lives. Literally, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm not I'm not I'm not joking either, Like
Speaker 1: literally I think we like, yeah, we we came away
Speaker 1: from something crazy there. So we jumped out of the
Speaker 1: way and this car just like smashed into the berm
Speaker 1: we were on and started teetering, and we're in the
Speaker 1: fetal position in the middle of the street, just like
Speaker 1: counting our blessings, just rocking back and forth, talking about
Speaker 1: you know, I'll never drink again and making out of this,
Speaker 1: you know, like we're rocking back and forth, and next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing happened, No explosion went off. We grabbed
Speaker 1: whatever the hell we could have because our spotting scope
Speaker 1: was out, our bag was out. You know, we were
Speaker 1: just we were observing. So we grab everything and we
Speaker 1: start running across the street to get away from this
Speaker 1: freaking vehicle that's teetering and in our minds it's about
Speaker 1: to explode. And my headset is like on the cable,
Speaker 1: like bouncing on the goddamn and Maddest just we go
Speaker 1: across the street and there's a Colonel McCoy and Madness
Speaker 1: right there standing side by side of each other, and
Speaker 1: they were like piste off of the night before his activities,
Speaker 1: which were pretty fucking hellacious. And you know, we walk
Speaker 1: across the street and we're running acrostreeting my ship, and
Speaker 1: Maddest looks at me, goes, what the funk are you
Speaker 1: guys doing? You look like pieces of ship, get your
Speaker 1: ship together, and my radio is bouncing, the headsets bouncing,
Speaker 1: and he takes his fucking boot and kicks the ship
Speaker 1: on my headset goes, please this you look like ship.
Speaker 1: And I'm just the whole time, like, why is he mad?
Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna die and we all did die, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I knew he was mad. I knew he was mad.
Speaker 1: Be good the day before and he was trying to
Speaker 1: be all diplomatic and ship. But you know, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? And and it makes sense because now
Speaker 1: at his point of view or his stance with the
Speaker 1: whole transgender issue in the military, like he kind of
Speaker 1: put that band or that that hold on the band
Speaker 1: and the transgenders and the military. Like Maddison is, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a general, he's a leader of marines, a leader
Speaker 1: of men, a leader of people. So you know, he
Speaker 1: has to be who he is in that situation. And
Speaker 1: now as a sect of you know, with that you know,
Speaker 1: facing that dilemma or that predicament, he put a hold
Speaker 1: on that band on transgenders because he's a he's a
Speaker 1: progressive thinker as far as the military. So I kind
Speaker 1: of understand where he's coming from, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And and and and made sense to me at that time.
Speaker 1: But because I felt that because at that time it
Speaker 1: made sense to me, because he was pissed at the
Speaker 1: day before, because the day before it was like a
Speaker 1: lot of ship went down that maybe didn't need to
Speaker 1: go down. But whatever, you know, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: it was war, it was hell, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: But he was upset at the political, uh perception of
Speaker 1: of that whole you know, conflict, you know, and he
Speaker 1: was conscious of it at that time, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I gotta understand where he's going with the whole,
Speaker 1: with that, with his point of view, with the whole transendtion,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: To me is an insight as to who he is
Speaker 1: as a man, as as a leader, you know. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I respect that. So you know where
Speaker 1: people will be, you know where people will comment against
Speaker 1: the whole transgender bush. You know all that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a shot from my leader and I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know what, not for nothing. You know, if he's
Speaker 1: willing to accept that whatso and so be it, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about the whole infantry. J I give me
Speaker 1: a second. In general, those with the popes right in general?
Speaker 1: Are you guys happy with with Maddess, like from what
Speaker 1: you know about him? Fuck? Yeah, man, I think I
Speaker 1: don't know about I think he's a solid dude. I
Speaker 1: mean he I don't know if um, Jay you remember,
Speaker 1: but he pulled a bunch of our guys over and
Speaker 1: in the from our Sniper Perple Tune down and Camp
Speaker 1: Penalton to like he there is like a carload of
Speaker 1: guys that were they were all driving too fast and
Speaker 1: he freaking shuled up right beside him in there said
Speaker 1: pull the funk over, you know, and he was. I
Speaker 1: remember getting a ticket in Pendleton by going to the
Speaker 1: range done Carrington. Um, I don't know if Stephen was
Speaker 1: with him? Yeah, I don't know. I remember that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. That was fucking maddest. Like I knew I
Speaker 1: was a boot? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm such a fucking boot. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: That was funny. Good times, man, a great times. And
Speaker 1: Jesse bro I appreciate you coming on here and just
Speaker 1: keeping it real and talking about you know, and and
Speaker 1: more so, you know, giving your insight on the transition
Speaker 1: between being a marine's called sniper to going and cross
Speaker 1: decking over into the army and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: That's not you know, I know you want to clarify,
Speaker 1: that's not going to be everyone's experience, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. Well, Jesse, is there anything that you're
Speaker 1: working on now or anything you're promoting? I mean, is
Speaker 1: there a possibility of us seeing you doing any writing?
Speaker 1: I need? I want to hear Jesse's book because it's
Speaker 1: I want to. I think you deserve it, Jesse, and
Speaker 1: I say it to this day. You're probably one of
Speaker 1: the best fucking sniper combat snipers. I know. Oh man,
Speaker 1: well that's a little too high praise for me, man,
Speaker 1: But uh, I would I don't think people would like
Speaker 1: reading it. But you think people would like reading Come on,
Speaker 1: you know me? You know how you think people would
Speaker 1: like reading my book? But they do. They like it,
Speaker 1: They enjoy it because you know what it's not about.
Speaker 1: It's not about Jesse Davenport, the man, the fucking miss
Speaker 1: the legend. It's about the lessons you learn and something
Speaker 1: that you can pass on to the younger generation, the
Speaker 1: guys that you want to prevent for making the mistakes
Speaker 1: we made, or you know, giving the giving them the track,
Speaker 1: the successful track in life. You know, that's what they
Speaker 1: want to know. And I think we have pretty we
Speaker 1: got time, um about something that kind of shaped me,
Speaker 1: you know that happened in combat. Go for it, brother,
Speaker 1: all right? UM, I remember you and I were in
Speaker 1: the city center and a bag Dad after we invaded,
Speaker 1: you know, um, finally crossed into bag Dad, and there
Speaker 1: was that big parade down there, you know, freaking people
Speaker 1: throwing their kids at us, trying to get up, people
Speaker 1: coming out with like and stuff. Yeah, it was crazy
Speaker 1: and I felt it like liberation of Paris, and yeah
Speaker 1: it was crazy. So I remember you and I said,
Speaker 1: set up at that um the little circle at the down,
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of downtown there and where
Speaker 1: the Saddam statue was. And there's actually two stories that
Speaker 1: come out of this. One of them was m I
Speaker 1: remember looking over to my right over you actually, because
Speaker 1: I think you were on my right, and I just
Speaker 1: saw this because there was this mob of people just
Speaker 1: gathered around this um center, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: one guy broke free from that mob. And he he
Speaker 1: was started sprinting as hard as he could towards that statue.
Speaker 1: In the mid sprint, he grabbed his sandal off of
Speaker 1: his foot and then he rolled up. He got up
Speaker 1: to that statue and just started slapping it as hard
Speaker 1: as he could and and then it was like a
Speaker 1: tidal wave of broke and all of a sudden there
Speaker 1: was like six thousand dudes trying to climb on the
Speaker 1: statue and slapping it and all kind of craziness. Um.
Speaker 1: So that was a defining moment for me. I feel
Speaker 1: like really really privileged to have been part of. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the taking that world history event, you know,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the taking down to the statue
Speaker 1: of Saddam. That was us. We were there in the
Speaker 1: square and at that time, the way I described it
Speaker 1: in the book is I was too busy, like trying
Speaker 1: to glass every possible window within a three and sixty
Speaker 1: degree area, trying to protect Lieutenant Colonel McCoy, who was
Speaker 1: at that time was calling up the tank to link
Speaker 1: up the chain and knock it down because they already
Speaker 1: initiated the assault on the statue. So at that time
Speaker 1: I realized to myself this is literally impossible. There's no
Speaker 1: way in hell I can protect this bad from all
Speaker 1: these windows. So it's very exhausting. It was super and
Speaker 1: you felt like, um, you know, you had you felt
Speaker 1: like you had one bullet and there was six million
Speaker 1: people in front of you, and like what do you do?
Speaker 1: And and and what is it? Was? Uh iraqis or
Speaker 1: should I say Arabics? And and hitting people with shoes,
Speaker 1: Like what the hell is that about? Remember the guy
Speaker 1: that with the shoe assaulter was President Bush. You know
Speaker 1: that was ridiculous. Yeah, that's why I suppose. I guess
Speaker 1: that's a big insult over there, um is to even
Speaker 1: see the bottom of somebody's shoes. He came like, cross
Speaker 1: your legs while you're sitting down and nothing. I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess Jesse once again. But if if I could
Speaker 1: just what's I didn't really answer the other part of
Speaker 1: that question, wondering if you're working on anything, anything you
Speaker 1: want to promote. Well, I would love to write a book, man,
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely not in the middle of it. I
Speaker 1: don't even know where i'd start. Uh, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to promote anything on I'm building up an inheritance for
Speaker 1: my children. Very cool. Uh. I started a beekeeping business
Speaker 1: from my daughter, and that's interesting, the mechanic tools to
Speaker 1: my son. I mean, that's just you know, you don't
Speaker 1: think like going from sniper to bee keeping business, right right?
Speaker 1: Tattoo artists? Yeah, you know, I feel like sniper to
Speaker 1: tattoo artist is a little bit more normal than than
Speaker 1: sniper to bee keeping business. I don't know would I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think, like, all right, I'll give it to you
Speaker 1: pent man. You know, you get all the honey in
Speaker 1: the world, you get to help people with allergies. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's for my daughter. I don't really care about all
Speaker 1: the I'm just I'm just setting it up for my
Speaker 1: daughter so when she gets older she can walk into
Speaker 1: something in life, because I started out with nothing, and
Speaker 1: so just to give her a head start, you know,
Speaker 1: just a couple of miles ahead everybody else, you know,
Speaker 1: starting out with a business. Is there anywhere that people
Speaker 1: can find you, Jesse or you completely anonymous? Jesse gave
Speaker 1: us a picture of the back of his goddamn head
Speaker 1: for this episode, like jes It, come on now, you
Speaker 1: gotta stop hiding on door. I had bright Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: but is there any way something could buy your daughter's Uh?
Speaker 1: Let him answer the first question. Sorry, I'm sorry, which
Speaker 1: is is there anywhere that people could find you? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not really? I live in North Carolina with my wife,
Speaker 1: So you're not on Twitter, not on Instagram, I'm not okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not on any social media at all. I have
Speaker 1: an email I addressed, but I share with my wife.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask. I gotta ask, especially if the guys,
Speaker 1: you know, because I could tell you that there's gonna
Speaker 1: be thousands of people who probably want to learn more
Speaker 1: about you, and so I would love to share some stories.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that any time, I'm going to share,
Speaker 1: and if if you guys got time. The other thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to share about that time when we were
Speaker 1: in that center downtown when the statue and all that, Um,
Speaker 1: there's this old after after all that happened and jump
Speaker 1: God and I we're in our track or something, we're
Speaker 1: about to load up and this old man, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: he's probably eight, which is old for Iraq. Uh. He
Speaker 1: came up to me and he had I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: teared just even saying this. He had tears just rolling
Speaker 1: down his face, you know, and he said, uh, it
Speaker 1: is Saddam dead. And I told him, you know, because
Speaker 1: we hadn't got him at that point. And so I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, now, but we'll we'll get him.
Speaker 1: We'll get him. And he said, okay, good good, And
Speaker 1: I just you can see this wave of relief coming
Speaker 1: over with this man, Um and those people. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that suffered really badly under Saddam. Um,
Speaker 1: so I'm very good with having gone over there. And
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of turned away from the news
Speaker 1: because there was nothing like that being shared on the news.
Speaker 1: You know, it was important to say. I think that's
Speaker 1: very important to say. And Um, there's a situation where
Speaker 1: I come in to allude to that when we remember
Speaker 1: when we want who say but? And we haven't even
Speaker 1: talked about who say but, Jesse, but we were who
Speaker 1: say but? You remember the first thing these people did
Speaker 1: with their freedom was what exactly. They threw up satellite
Speaker 1: dishes because they were so deprived from news and information
Speaker 1: of the world, similar to North Korea if you look
Speaker 1: at it in this day and age where everything that
Speaker 1: is being funneled into their individual homes is scrutinized. So
Speaker 1: it's the same thing that happened in that country where
Speaker 1: the moment we liberated them, they didn't want to do
Speaker 1: anything else but have that thirst for what is happening
Speaker 1: in the world and to see that firsthand. It's something
Speaker 1: that I don't know if I can put into words
Speaker 1: so that the audience can understand, like we gave that
Speaker 1: to these people. We gave these people the channel to
Speaker 1: tune in to the rest of the earth, not other nations,
Speaker 1: not the earth they had. You remember you, did I
Speaker 1: ever tell you that story where me Slampka, Jesse and
Speaker 1: all those guys. We went into the house and I
Speaker 1: heard the I heard um Kellis's milkshake video in the uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that. So I going to this
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to this house. We take over
Speaker 1: this house like we did so many times before, we
Speaker 1: took over the houses for observation. And I go into
Speaker 1: the kitchen because I hear this strange noise and I'm
Speaker 1: walking in the next thing, you know, this is old
Speaker 1: man staring at Kellis on television singing the boys to
Speaker 1: the yard. And they're like, and I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: what where the hell am I This guy is listening
Speaker 1: to this music, watching this music video, but like it's
Speaker 1: so focused that he didn't know that an entire freaking
Speaker 1: team of scott snipers I took over his house. You know,
Speaker 1: Like this guy was into it. But you know what,
Speaker 1: for nothing, I understood it because this is the first
Speaker 1: time they had exposure to the rest of the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if your viewers know this. I'm
Speaker 1: sure most of them are, you know, former military at all,
Speaker 1: But no, it's honestly, it's about split man. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of young it's wanting to come in. Um,
Speaker 1: every home in Iraq had to have a picture of
Speaker 1: Saddamvious saying and that was law. And if if him
Speaker 1: and his cronies ever came around to your village and
Speaker 1: found any room inside your house without a picture of it,
Speaker 1: they put you there death. Yeah that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how oppressed those people were powerful, you know, And yeah
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, And I didn't see any of that
Speaker 1: in the news, you know. Like I feel like anyone
Speaker 1: living in America like doesn't realize what it's like to
Speaker 1: truly live under a dictatorship. To truly live under, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's fascism or communism or an Islamic theocracy. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're very privileged here and I think
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of the times veterans combat veterans
Speaker 1: like yourselves come back here and you know, you're like you,
Speaker 1: people don't know how good you have it. And I
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a whole
Speaker 1: new appreciation for life, will be honest. My military service
Speaker 1: was a great foundation, um for me to go through
Speaker 1: the rest of my life with. And I wouldn't trade
Speaker 1: any of it for anything. And I'm you know, a
Speaker 1: dent and disabled veteran. UM. I wouldn't take any of
Speaker 1: those injuries back for even one moment of my time.
Speaker 1: And I loved it. It was blast powerful, man. I
Speaker 1: think this is a good good way to wrap it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been an honor happing on and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there's hundreds of other stories that we could
Speaker 1: tell at some point. Yeah, I hope you stop being
Speaker 1: a fucking reclusive come out in the open, mall off.
Speaker 1: And there's especially the younger generation this guy's that you know,
Speaker 1: they want to hear from you. Man, You're a teacher.
Speaker 1: You know, you're someone that they could look up to.
Speaker 1: You know, just embrace that, brother, because you You've been
Speaker 1: that for me, you know, and I just think you
Speaker 1: could be that for you know, someone younger, someone coming
Speaker 1: up in the game. All Right. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember me saying this to you, j but um,
Speaker 1: I remember telling you, like at the very end of
Speaker 1: like kind of as we were getting out and all that,
Speaker 1: I said, hey man, and you know you were cocky,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to be I was. I know
Speaker 1: I was told you. I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 1: but I told you. I said, hey man, you were
Speaker 1: always a better sniper than I was. The fun guy here.
Speaker 1: You were just too cocky and that's why I was
Speaker 1: the team that. Yeah, no, you're right, You're right, and
Speaker 1: so to speak, were going back to that situation. Um.
Speaker 1: Actually I didn't know this until the last conversation we had,
Speaker 1: but the person that I don't want to mention actually
Speaker 1: on his m R OH gave you the chief scout
Speaker 1: sniper position in three seven on the m R O.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. This is fucking prick. The whole time
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that, you know, he's got me running ship
Speaker 1: up in Hussbaum. Neil gave me the position I brought
Speaker 1: you guys over, So the entire deployment, I'm thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: running the show and next thing, you know, you get
Speaker 1: the fucking credits. But whatever, I don't give you know,
Speaker 1: and I get it though, And but I get it, Jessie,
Speaker 1: And honestly, we were two separates, No, but we were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were three separate patoons because you have Steve's fucking
Speaker 1: team there as well. So you had Steve's team, your team,
Speaker 1: and my team. But you know what, I get it
Speaker 1: because I'm an abrasive kind of guy and back then
Speaker 1: I was even worse. There was no Yeah, there wasn't
Speaker 1: no compromising for me. Yeah, I would. I would be
Speaker 1: a sergeant and I would go to bat with fucking
Speaker 1: staff sergeants. So you know, like I understand, I totally
Speaker 1: get it. So no, no big deal. And it's crazy
Speaker 1: how I'm hearing your story and then my story, and
Speaker 1: it's crazy how our situations, although aligned and although parallel
Speaker 1: to each other, they're different. It's so crazy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: with two different perspectives. You know, it would be fun
Speaker 1: to write a book about things from my perspective. That
Speaker 1: would be dope, and I would love to read it,
Speaker 1: my brother, because you know what, I think you have
Speaker 1: a lot to give and offer the community, so the
Speaker 1: sniper community. Man, You're You're the man, Bro, You're the man.
Speaker 1: You always will be the man to my eyes. Man,
Speaker 1: that's too high praise for me. Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jesse. I love you. My brother talked to
Speaker 1: you soon. Bro. I love you too, Bro. Thanks story.
Speaker 1: We'll have you back at some point. Oh great, sounds
Speaker 1: good appreciative here, Yeah, alright, so awesome perspective from Chesse.
Speaker 1: You are right, though, Man, he's one of these guys
Speaker 1: who's like completely off the grid, is seriously off the grid.
Speaker 1: What do you think is is the main reason for that?
Speaker 1: Because you know, even guys who who are out there
Speaker 1: who aren't writing books. You know, let's say you for example.
Speaker 1: You know, even though you were featured in the book,
Speaker 1: you were writing your own book, like you still have
Speaker 1: a presence on Instagram. You were easy to find. Why
Speaker 1: do you think a guy like him is just like
Speaker 1: I don't want to maybe maybe he hasn't sought out
Speaker 1: And this is my brother and I know he wouldn't
Speaker 1: really hold me against us, but maybe he hasn't sought
Speaker 1: out the the outside perspective to kind of give him
Speaker 1: that confidence in which what he did was actually a
Speaker 1: great thing. Um, And I had to seek that out
Speaker 1: after my fall. You know, I had to fall from
Speaker 1: grace in order to get Bill back up. So remember
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. I got out of
Speaker 1: the military. When I got out the military, I disappeared.
Speaker 1: I I went into the underground of New York. I
Speaker 1: became a tattoo artist of barber and you know, I
Speaker 1: refused to be acknowledged by my name Jason Delgado. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to hear that no more. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to hear the last name Delgado anymore. I cringed when
Speaker 1: I heard Delgado because I associated with something that I
Speaker 1: did that I wasn't proud of, which was being a sniper,
Speaker 1: which was taking lives, which was having you know, making
Speaker 1: a profession on that. So I wasn't proud of that
Speaker 1: for a while because I didn't hear that outside perspective
Speaker 1: that gave me that comfort in, you know, knowing that
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of did some sort of good.
Speaker 1: You understand I'm saying. So there's some guys I just
Speaker 1: they want to build themselves as an individual, as as
Speaker 1: a person, not as what they did in combat, as
Speaker 1: what they did in the military. They want that, they
Speaker 1: want those accolades as a civilian, as a functional member
Speaker 1: of society, as a beekeeper, as an agricultural specialist, as
Speaker 1: you know, they want to prove to themselves that they
Speaker 1: could be more than just a killer. Yeah, which it
Speaker 1: is weird here in that interview. You know, you're talking
Speaker 1: about having to shoot people who were teenagers. You know,
Speaker 1: like it's weird as me as civilian to sit back.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I know enough from you
Speaker 1: guys that you know, you go to a country like
Speaker 1: Iraq or you know, anywhere, whether it's Afghanistan, there are
Speaker 1: gonna be young kids who are used to kill marines,
Speaker 1: military personnel. And it's it's part of the job, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's them or you at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: And and and when you have those flashbacks or those
Speaker 1: glimpses of your family back at home, of your mother,
Speaker 1: of your father, of your children, you realize that it
Speaker 1: will always be you. You will always choose you over
Speaker 1: the situation. So, whether it's a fifteen year old a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old, a thirty year old, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: This individual is trying to snuff my life. He's trying
Speaker 1: to take me away from those who love me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make that decision right then and there, and that
Speaker 1: decision will always be them. They're going, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: I will deal with this later, but we're at the
Speaker 1: point and this is where I'm I'm I'm gonna tie
Speaker 1: it into the whole staying away from social media and
Speaker 1: all that later on. I'll deal with the aftermath. I'll
Speaker 1: deal with the mental consequence. I'll deal with the Maybe
Speaker 1: this kid deserves to live, maybe this kid didn't. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know, we don't got time for that. Maybe right
Speaker 1: there and there, we don't got time to contemplate good
Speaker 1: or bad at that moment. All we know is violence
Speaker 1: of action is what brings you home. Well, getting back
Speaker 1: into what we were originally talking about, because we kind
Speaker 1: of wrapped it up as we were talking about the
Speaker 1: Texas shooting because there's just so much to digest there.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. Alex from the website posted up the video
Speaker 1: um courtesy of ABC. If this made me emotional, by
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, So let's play it because I think
Speaker 1: people want to hear this show. Um, just to make
Speaker 1: sure that I have this right. This is Steven Wilford,
Speaker 1: the man who took down the shooter in Texas. So
Speaker 1: you know, a good guy with a gun story. He
Speaker 1: saw me and I saw him, and I was standing
Speaker 1: behind the pickup truck for cover, and we exchanged I'm like,
Speaker 1: it was surreal to me. It could couldn't be, couldn't
Speaker 1: be happening. I could not believe it, um, And we
Speaker 1: we exchanged gunfire, and I know I hit him. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I hit him, but I know I
Speaker 1: hit him. And he got into his vehicle and he
Speaker 1: fired another couple of rounds through his side window, and
Speaker 1: I fired. When the window dropped, I fired another round
Speaker 1: at him again. And one is he was pulling away
Speaker 1: and he turned down five thirty nine farm the market
Speaker 1: road five thirty nine and sped away, and I noticed
Speaker 1: that there was a four wheel drive Dodge truck another
Speaker 1: truck said that the stop sign and a guy had
Speaker 1: watched this whole thing take place. I ran over to
Speaker 1: his truck and I said, that guy just shot up
Speaker 1: the Baptist church. We need to stop him. He opened
Speaker 1: his door and I got in and we pursued, and
Speaker 1: he had quite a lead on us, and uh we
Speaker 1: chased him down five thirty nine and and when we
Speaker 1: first started chasing him, he was out of sight and
Speaker 1: and and the man driving the truck was was I
Speaker 1: found out later his name is Johnny. He was driving
Speaker 1: at a high rate of speed and we were trying
Speaker 1: to pass cars and catch up and we were called
Speaker 1: one and we were talking to at that point. We
Speaker 1: did not see at that point any officers anywhere, uh,
Speaker 1: and they were probably headed to the church at that point.
Speaker 1: But dispatch we started talking to They said where nine
Speaker 1: is he? And we gave a description when we caught
Speaker 1: view of him again and uh again, we were coming
Speaker 1: up on him pretty quickly. And when we've got up closer,
Speaker 1: he pulled over to the side like he was going
Speaker 1: to pull off to the side of the road, and
Speaker 1: he slowed down and I thought he was gonna stop,
Speaker 1: and I reached down to open the door, still with
Speaker 1: my rifle in hand, and he sped up. He hit
Speaker 1: a road sign, it flipped over the truck or his suv.
Speaker 1: He ran across back up on the road about another
Speaker 1: hundred yards down and down into the bar ditch and
Speaker 1: Johnny stopped the truck on the road and I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, get down, get down. He got down in
Speaker 1: the truck and I got I stepped out of the door,
Speaker 1: and I put my rifle across the hood of the
Speaker 1: truck and and was yelling get out of the truck,
Speaker 1: Get out of the truck, get out of the truck.
Speaker 1: And I never saw any movement or anything from from it,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't going to let him go anywhere. Um.
Speaker 1: And finally the police department got there, and yeah, they
Speaker 1: told him to come out with his hands out and
Speaker 1: no response. And at that point I had actually laid
Speaker 1: the rifle down and started back, and he said, not you.
Speaker 1: So I picked the rifle back up. Okay, that's fine
Speaker 1: if you mean you know. And so I hung out
Speaker 1: there and waited until I saw about six more police
Speaker 1: officers show up. And they didn't rather quickly after the
Speaker 1: first one, and I started to walk back and he said, no,
Speaker 1: stay there, stay there, stay there, and I stayed where
Speaker 1: I was, and they drove one of the squad cars up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me is, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: Stephen Wilford, n RA instructor right, former n RA instructor.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to hear him say, like during that
Speaker 1: first shooting encounter, he's like, I I hit him. I
Speaker 1: don't know where, you know, because people don't realize in
Speaker 1: that madness. You know, you know, you know if you
Speaker 1: hit him, but you you know, it's it's not so
Speaker 1: clear to you, just the way that you were talking.
Speaker 1: It never it never is even in training when you're
Speaker 1: on a range and you take a shot at a target,
Speaker 1: although your point of aim was center mass, you don't
Speaker 1: know where your impact was, you know. So what he's
Speaker 1: saying is totally legit. On top of that, you have
Speaker 1: to you have to understand why he's speaking. He's he's
Speaker 1: speaking in a responsible manner, you know he is. Like
Speaker 1: when they pulled over after the vehicle flipped over, what
Speaker 1: did he tell the driver to do? Get down? The
Speaker 1: driver didn't have a weapon. He totally get down behind
Speaker 1: the mass of the vehicle, basically to protect the driver.
Speaker 1: And then he got out. And what did he do.
Speaker 1: He stood behind the vehicle and put the weapon system
Speaker 1: over the end of the hood of the car, which
Speaker 1: where the engine block would be the mass of the
Speaker 1: car which would protect him. Like everything he did was
Speaker 1: responsible and logical as a shooter, as a responsible shooter. So,
Speaker 1: which is interesting from a guy who's you know, civilian, civilian,
Speaker 1: gun on civilian, but yet still trained, still a lot
Speaker 1: of knowledgeable enough to be an n R A instructor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's a big difference between shooting and paper targets
Speaker 1: and what he did. It's a mindset. It's not just
Speaker 1: paper targets or people. It's not combat or it's a mindset.
Speaker 1: He was in that mindset and from what he was
Speaker 1: told when I think he said it was his daughter
Speaker 1: or someone of the nature told him that there were
Speaker 1: shots being fired within the church, and he ran out
Speaker 1: with his rifle barefooted. It's the mindset. You think he's
Speaker 1: gonna sit back and say, well, I don't have shoes,
Speaker 1: let me push shoes on before I go in and
Speaker 1: address his threat. No, he knew that the skill set
Speaker 1: that he had was necessary at that moment immediately, and
Speaker 1: he even said it when he said every shot that
Speaker 1: was fired potentially represented someone that was being killed. Someone
Speaker 1: he knew, someone that he valued was being killed because
Speaker 1: he was a neighbor of the church. Understand So this
Speaker 1: man everything that was running through this man's mind was
Speaker 1: that whole uh, that whole consolidation of fight or flight.
Speaker 1: So being that he was in delved or engulfed within
Speaker 1: that community, that within that gun culture, within that that
Speaker 1: that warrior mentality, he was able to prevent this man
Speaker 1: from continuing on in his carnage. He did a great
Speaker 1: This mount is a hero. It's great, great man. We
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to say it. He's a humble man,
Speaker 1: but you know what everyone was, everyone else will say it.
Speaker 1: I would say it all day long. This man was
Speaker 1: a hero. This man is a hero to this day.
Speaker 1: And although you know, he has a lot of things
Speaker 1: he has to overcome mentally and all that now and
Speaker 1: you know, we know that coming from where we come from,
Speaker 1: this man is going to be someone that an invaluable
Speaker 1: amount of information. He's gonna be a treasure trove of
Speaker 1: information when it comes to learning about the mentality of
Speaker 1: that fight, fight or flight mode of that that you know,
Speaker 1: sheep dog vice, you know sheep, you know, mentality Like
Speaker 1: this man right here, he's got a future. He's got
Speaker 1: a future definitely does so. Uh. I know, you know
Speaker 1: we're running out of time here, but you wanted to
Speaker 1: address the Bouberg Doll situation. Um you know, no jail time.
Speaker 1: There's articles covering it as software dot com. If you're
Speaker 1: not already a subscriber, please do subscribe because we're on
Speaker 1: top of it. But I'll let you have the floor
Speaker 1: on my whole thing is said. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna take up too much time. All I want to
Speaker 1: say is whoever was the officer in charge of the
Speaker 1: deciding uh the judge, Yeah, the judge who was in
Speaker 1: charge of the deciding verdict in in the censusing which
Speaker 1: allowed him to walk away damn near Scoffrey. You know, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any VA benefits or you know, dishonor
Speaker 1: with discharge and all that. It's great, you know, all
Speaker 1: that stuff really does come at a price, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, especially when you're filling apple aations for jobs
Speaker 1: and all that. Like he's this man is gonna have
Speaker 1: a hard time. But you know what he didn't do.
Speaker 1: He didn't prevent this man from making money on his movie,
Speaker 1: on his story, which Hollywood, liberal Hollywood is always going
Speaker 1: to try to basically x um uh exposed, you know,
Speaker 1: or basically you know, just take any advantage of So
Speaker 1: what I want to say is, you know, he did
Speaker 1: an injustice to the rest of the military, as far
Speaker 1: as the Air Force, the Navy, the Army, the because
Speaker 1: any person even thinking of this is gonna use his
Speaker 1: case as case study and say, well, if this individual
Speaker 1: didn't get time sir, or it got time served and
Speaker 1: didn't you know, get anything further after the fact, then
Speaker 1: you know, why should I? And then so on so forth,
Speaker 1: you understand, So what's the point as far as you
Speaker 1: know desertion is concerned, Like you had to hit him hard,
Speaker 1: You had to set the presidents for every other individual
Speaker 1: within the armed services to let them know. Lives were lost,
Speaker 1: lives was Lives were lost in searching for you after
Speaker 1: you deserted, after you walked up the base, missions were
Speaker 1: held up, missions for how high value targets were held
Speaker 1: up actively seeking you. You know, so like there there
Speaker 1: there was some severe consequences to what you did. And
Speaker 1: the fact that they let him walk away without any
Speaker 1: jail time really sent a terrible message to all those
Speaker 1: in uniform. You know, I hope they understand that that's terrible.
Speaker 1: You know, why would you why would you want to
Speaker 1: be the cause of lives lost? And then not have
Speaker 1: any consequence there on after the fact. So you know
Speaker 1: that's my point of it. You know, my point is
Speaker 1: this guy should have got jail time, hands down, hands
Speaker 1: down should have got jail time. Well, absolute pleasure having
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Speaker 1: us and you're gonna have two chances to hang out
Speaker 1: with some of the guys this weekend. The first of
Speaker 1: which if you're in the New York City area that is,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're listening to this in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: I can't help you. Which is a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're all over the place.
Speaker 1: But so Friday, uh, November ten, Jason is going to
Speaker 1: be celebrating the Marine Corps anniversary with a book signing
Speaker 1: it Not for Nothing tattoo, one Dymond Street. That's at
Speaker 1: six pm. Uh, anything you want to say about that,
Speaker 1: because I know people will be excited to meet you.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking forward to, um, those who wanted me
Speaker 1: to sign their books and some of those who just
Speaker 1: want to come by and meet me. And you know,
Speaker 1: we were also selling books there. You know, we only
Speaker 1: have a few copies on as will first come, first off,
Speaker 1: But you know, looking forward to just you know, whoever
Speaker 1: wants to come by meet and greet, and whoever is
Speaker 1: a fan of the show. And you live and subscribe
Speaker 1: in New York, were there, absolutely, And if you're in
Speaker 1: Connecticut or Jersey, take the trip out. Will be fun.
Speaker 1: And then if you can't do Friday Saturday, I will
Speaker 1: be at this as well. James Powell will be there too,
Speaker 1: Andrew will Cows Veteran Ride for Veterans Day. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you Jason will be there at Emmit Old Loonis to
Speaker 1: ten West fifth I wrote West fifth West fifty Street.
Speaker 1: Uh so, and not to be confused with the other
Speaker 1: old loonis. It's amatold Loonies because your dad owns a
Speaker 1: bar to ten West fifty Street, one PM East. It
Speaker 1: is pretty much And Jason could agree with me. Here
Speaker 1: the flagship bar of software. I mean, you walk in there,
Speaker 1: your book is on the wall. Jack's book is on
Speaker 1: the wall. Brandon's books are on the wall. Marty scope
Speaker 1: when to call emital Loonys a bar is an extreme
Speaker 1: injustice because their food is so amazing. Did you see
Speaker 1: that a tried tip, a skillet plate that comes out
Speaker 1: when it's like sizzling. You remember back in the day
Speaker 1: when Applebee's just to bring out the plates sizzling with steaks.
Speaker 1: He is you know, no, they that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: But like Emmett does that with the tri tipt, but
Speaker 1: you were talking about like the craziest cut of beef.
Speaker 1: Like his staff is so disciplined, like he is the man.
Speaker 1: If you go here, you're gonna have the ultimate experience
Speaker 1: in service. I'd guarantee you that A lot of veterans
Speaker 1: and hang out with a lot of veterans like this
Speaker 1: guy is a patriot. This guy told Joe Biden that
Speaker 1: he screwed up the goddamn nation, you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: and you know what he you know it was true. Alright,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. Okay, but it is a goddamn great
Speaker 1: place to go eat. Oh yeah, great guy. Um. And
Speaker 1: and it's for a good cause. You know there's gonna
Speaker 1: be money donated to the charity you know where Brandon's charity,
Speaker 1: even though it's not his necessarily, I know that it's
Speaker 1: other guys involved, but the Red Circle Foundation. And then
Speaker 1: another great charity. I love Rick Ayannucci. I think you've
Speaker 1: met Rick right, So Horses for Heroes. Rick owns a
Speaker 1: ranch in Santa Fe, New Mexico, has veterans, um you know,
Speaker 1: with post traumatic stress issues ride horses like a therapeutic thing.
Speaker 1: Wilko has been to the ranch and um Rick has
Speaker 1: been like brother, anytime you want to come down, like
Speaker 1: you're welcome to come to Santa Fe, New Mexico. So
Speaker 1: you know I mentioned this on the podcast. Um for
Speaker 1: all the full time employees at Hurricane Uh, everybody gets
Speaker 1: to pick a charity of their choice that the company
Speaker 1: is gonna donate money too. I've already picked horses for
Speaker 1: Heroes Santa Fe, New Mexico. And the reason being not
Speaker 1: only is it a good cause, but like you hear
Speaker 1: about all these charities out there, you don't know who
Speaker 1: these people are running them. You don't know if it's
Speaker 1: the most reputable people. And Rick is like a solid guy. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's done so much too, but beyond just being in
Speaker 1: special Forces, also being in the police, you know, community
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Um, his he's a legend. He's he's like
Speaker 1: another Gym West and we have to get him on.
Speaker 1: And he's also like looks like whole Cogan of New Mexico.
Speaker 1: Well he's the short guy but with this giant handlebar
Speaker 1: mustache and you know, rocking the giant cowboy ads. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited to see Rick and everybody else.
Speaker 1: So once again, that's uh this Saturday Veterans Day, will
Speaker 1: Cow's vet ride for Veterans um at Emmittal Lone's two
Speaker 1: ten West fifty Street. Uh. And I think that's it man.
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