Speaker 1: Ian scott O here, wishing you a very happy Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 1: I'm currently in Pittsburgh spending some time with my grandma
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Speaker 1: in town at the time, UM, and he was promoting
Speaker 1: Hollywood Weapons, which was really kick ass. You'll hear all
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Speaker 1: time Terry SHOPHERD, Army Green Beret. Let's get right into
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Speaker 1: Ian Scott l softwareup Radio on Time on Target for
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Speaker 1: time and Scotto in studio with me, editor in chief
Speaker 1: of softrep dot Com, Jack Murphy, Green Beret also Green Bret,
Speaker 1: Master Stargeant Terry Shapherd, and thanks for making the trip
Speaker 1: out first. It's totally worth it, totally worth it. I
Speaker 1: actually was coming up here for something and you and
Speaker 1: I always stay in touch, so it's great. This is
Speaker 1: cool at a place man, and they do have coffee
Speaker 1: and beer here, which is nice. So what's the first
Speaker 1: thing we're to get into. You're back from South Korea
Speaker 1: and you're working on your show, Hollywood Weapons, which comes
Speaker 1: out on Monday. Um, I don't know where to begin.
Speaker 1: Me neither. I think me and Terry are both like
Speaker 1: trying to catch up from like time zones. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: he it's it's so funny because Jack just got back
Speaker 1: from from from Asia and I was I was over
Speaker 1: there in November for something, not something as cool as that.
Speaker 1: I was doing actually silly TV stuff. But yeah, your
Speaker 1: body's off. I mean, I'm from the I just came
Speaker 1: in from North Carolina, so I have no excuse to
Speaker 1: be so tired. It's old. And you know, at my age, guys,
Speaker 1: I can break a hip. So I can walk around
Speaker 1: in New York City and if I slip, I'm going
Speaker 1: to break a hip. This is a fact. This is
Speaker 1: a fact. And probably my house down there in the
Speaker 1: Outer Banks is a smoking pit because I had two
Speaker 1: Special Forces guys who haven't seen a lot of time.
Speaker 1: One of them is just like my brother, and they
Speaker 1: were there the whole week. We had a great time,
Speaker 1: and they were there when I left this morning. They're
Speaker 1: leaving tonight. So I hope that they have burning man.
Speaker 1: I hope, yeah, I hope the house is well. I
Speaker 1: hope the house is there when I come back. So
Speaker 1: the big thing going on tonight, Actually it's the release
Speaker 1: party for Brandon Wive's book, The Killing School. I was
Speaker 1: at the UM, I was at the book signing at
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble tribecat yesterday. Awesome meeting all the listeners
Speaker 1: in this show. Plenty of people who are becoming members,
Speaker 1: and so for those who aren't in the know, this
Speaker 1: is our members only show that we're doing. We're doing
Speaker 1: two shows a week now and we're giving all of
Speaker 1: you a preview of this on on Facebook Live, and
Speaker 1: we figured who better than Terry Shapherd to kick it off. Um. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't know where you want to begin.
Speaker 1: You just came back from South Korea and you wrote
Speaker 1: an article about it, So I figured we can get
Speaker 1: into that first. Yeah, what happened over there? Jack? You
Speaker 1: have you have a bit of a thousand yards stare
Speaker 1: right now. Nothing, nothing happened over there. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I was in South Korea for like three days, and
Speaker 1: before that, I was in the Philippines for two weeks.
Speaker 1: So the purpose of the trip was to go over
Speaker 1: and interface with the Filipino Special Operations guys. UM. So
Speaker 1: I met with NAVSAG, which is like their version of
Speaker 1: Naval Special Warfare. Um, they're scout rangers, special forces like
Speaker 1: Reaction Regiment, the Marine Force recon guys, the other Marines,
Speaker 1: UM geez, who else the Special Action Force Police Unit.
Speaker 1: So I got to kind of go all over the place,
Speaker 1: meet all kinds of different people. UM. Probably did recorded
Speaker 1: twelve hours of interviews, UM, all kinds of stuff, and
Speaker 1: then shot over to South Korea and UM, the original
Speaker 1: point behind that trip was to go visit Special Forces
Speaker 1: detachment Korea and UH over there in part of Core.
Speaker 1: But that kind of that kind of fell through because
Speaker 1: as they didn't want to do media right now, or
Speaker 1: or the Combined Forces Command didn't want to do media
Speaker 1: because of rising tensions on the peninsula. UH So, then
Speaker 1: the next thing was to try to go visit the
Speaker 1: de Militarized Zone and the j s A, the Joint
Speaker 1: Security Area where they do like the joint talks with
Speaker 1: North Korea and all that. That was shut down again
Speaker 1: because of tensions. So I ended up going to Shrwan,
Speaker 1: which is another part. It's interesting. It was actually above
Speaker 1: the thirty parallel, so Korea split into in U when
Speaker 1: we took the peninsula Austin. The Russians took it from
Speaker 1: the Japanese after the Japanese Imperial Army quickly collapsed because
Speaker 1: of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They collapsed faster than anyone thought
Speaker 1: they would, so that drew the border the thirty parallel.
Speaker 1: Five years later, nineteen fifty, the Korean War happens, and
Speaker 1: uh South Korea lost some territory to the south, but
Speaker 1: they also gained some territory in the north. So this
Speaker 1: area of Shiwan is actually sort of a basin, a
Speaker 1: flat area that's um they farmed for rice and that
Speaker 1: area was fought over pretty extensively. There's actually a Communist
Speaker 1: Party headquarters there that I got to visit, and you
Speaker 1: can see up the cement steps there's two. It looks
Speaker 1: like a little earthquake went up the steps. It's from
Speaker 1: an American tank driving up the steps of the Communist
Speaker 1: Party headquarters. Yeah, we like to leave marks where. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's bullet holes everywhere. So I went there. I saw
Speaker 1: the d m Z and got to go into a
Speaker 1: U one of there's four tunnels that have been uncovered
Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, UH tunnels one through four
Speaker 1: they've come to be known. And their North Korean infiltration
Speaker 1: tunnels that were dug under the d m Z into
Speaker 1: South Korea. And and for those layman's which I am
Speaker 1: one of which I had to look it up. So
Speaker 1: d d m Z Demilitarized Zones because I was checking
Speaker 1: out in your as part of the Arms Arms Justice
Speaker 1: after the Noman's Land between North and South Korea. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was checking out the article you did, which people
Speaker 1: could check out on the site on Soft rep UH
Speaker 1: and which is called Softwrep Editor in chief Jack Murphy
Speaker 1: reports from the Korean DMC And you took some awesome
Speaker 1: pictures out there in um in the caves and the
Speaker 1: tunnels as well. Yeah. Yeah, that camera. I'm no photographer
Speaker 1: by any means, but the camera that Nick ca Hill
Speaker 1: hooked us up with, it does its own thing, um
Speaker 1: and enables idiots like me to take semi decent pictures. UM.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I went down in that infiltration tunnel that
Speaker 1: was tunnel number two. UM. Got some good pictures in there.
Speaker 1: And that tunnel actually, so it runs all the way
Speaker 1: to North Korea. It's three and a half kilometers long.
Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't go, and people do not go to
Speaker 1: North Korea and that tunnel there's a gate and everything
Speaker 1: like that security. Is there a gate under in the
Speaker 1: middle of that tunnel underneath like once they busted that tunnel,
Speaker 1: do they do they seal it off underneath where like
Speaker 1: you could go to about underneath the ground where North
Speaker 1: Korea starts or is it like what's it like when
Speaker 1: you get to Yeah, it just goes and then it
Speaker 1: stops at at a gate like an iron gate. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of like where the d m Z is
Speaker 1: so I have to believe there's some part of this store.
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting though, like they could not have just
Speaker 1: left that tunnel open. That doesn't seem right and just
Speaker 1: put a gate there. No, that doesn't seem right. Well.
Speaker 1: I also was reading that there's tons more that we
Speaker 1: don't know about, right, I mean, if there's four, so
Speaker 1: there's more that's interesting because there's a there's rumors. I
Speaker 1: guess you could say that there's as many as times
Speaker 1: that every brigade on the border on the d m
Speaker 1: Z has its own filtration tunnel. Um. Tunnel number so
Speaker 1: the one I was in was big enough you could
Speaker 1: single file put soldiers through there. They could walk through
Speaker 1: their except that Koreans are shorter than we are, so
Speaker 1: they make us wear helmets and you bang your head
Speaker 1: at the whole time, the whole time, the whole time. Um.
Speaker 1: But tunnel number four was wide enough you could drive
Speaker 1: like a jeep there. Yeah. Um. So how many tunnels
Speaker 1: are undiscovered? Who knows? But these days the other issue
Speaker 1: two is the tunnels might be obsolete because if war
Speaker 1: did break out, they could just detonate an atomic device
Speaker 1: on the d m Z and the around all the
Speaker 1: defenses and then the troops storm across. Is there a
Speaker 1: vibe there the visa via the South and obviously that's
Speaker 1: where we were. Can you feel attention when you're walking around?
Speaker 1: Is it? See? I mean, I know, you know you
Speaker 1: haven't been there before. You've been there before, so you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to compare to that. Was curious what
Speaker 1: it's like or if it's like kind of almost like
Speaker 1: another day imparative. I'll tell you. For the South Koreans,
Speaker 1: it's just like another day. That's I think, like things
Speaker 1: are blowing up in the media over here and people
Speaker 1: are freaking out about it, but for them, they're like
Speaker 1: desensitized and jaded to be dealing with it. Yeah whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah, they're used to it. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there aren't some things happening or that
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be taken seriously. But it also isn't, um
Speaker 1: quite the crisis. They're not jumping through hoops right now.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not like the crisis scenario that the
Speaker 1: American news. Yeah yeah, they're making it sound like guys
Speaker 1: are just looking right across it. It's it's the same
Speaker 1: stuff about to pop off at at any moment. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Odissean actually recently wrote an article and we talked
Speaker 1: about this on the first Members Only podcast, just the
Speaker 1: attitude in around North Korea and surrounding North Korea. And
Speaker 1: in his article he basically said North Korea is not
Speaker 1: such a big threat to the US or Japan. We
Speaker 1: should be a little bit more worried about the threat
Speaker 1: to South Korea. Of course, how what what is the
Speaker 1: fear there? Like, how could you describe the attitude knowing
Speaker 1: that their neighbors have a dictator who's threatening to obliterate that.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's not something when I when I
Speaker 1: was in South Korea, and when I was in Seoul,
Speaker 1: I went out to like this like hipster container place
Speaker 1: that they turned into like cool clothing stores, and they
Speaker 1: had like beer tasting and it's all young people out.
Speaker 1: Remember if you're if you're you know, our age or
Speaker 1: even a little older, you grew up like this. There's
Speaker 1: no memory of a of a United Korea. There's no
Speaker 1: living memory of the Korean War. If you're thirty years old,
Speaker 1: you grew up, you had a pretty good life. You know,
Speaker 1: your parents worked really hard. They brought that country from
Speaker 1: abject poverty to being the tiger of Asia. So you
Speaker 1: had life pretty good as a young person um nowadays.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's something that's forefront in their
Speaker 1: mind at all. What was more on their mind at
Speaker 1: that time was the recent election, uh that Moon got elected,
Speaker 1: and that that was something that was a concern for them.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that they're walking around thinking about
Speaker 1: North Korea now. Of course it is a threat. Um.
Speaker 1: The threat is CBRN, the chemical, radiological, biological nuclear is
Speaker 1: one thing. The other is artillery. If something were to happen,
Speaker 1: the North Koreans could push down the soul, they probably
Speaker 1: would take soul and the whole it would be a
Speaker 1: chemical environment. There'd be all kinds of nerve gas and
Speaker 1: everything else um being used. Because the North Koreans don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of money, they can't maintain a conventional
Speaker 1: military quite the way we do. I mean, yeah, they
Speaker 1: have a million conscripts. Okay, it's a big military, but
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have all the big ticket items of
Speaker 1: tanks and the fighter jets that we have. So there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a it's more of an asymmetrical threat. They're
Speaker 1: gonna use the w M d stuff. Yeah, there's like
Speaker 1: the tunnels and saboteurs, uh, you know, people wearing civilian clothing, uh,
Speaker 1: sabotaging military installations and all that kind of nasty stuf. Mean,
Speaker 1: North Korea can't feed its people. So from a from
Speaker 1: a point of view of the military, and we saw this.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm older than you guys, when when we
Speaker 1: broke the Soviets, it was it was the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, that we had this idea that this was
Speaker 1: unbeatable military at some point, but their economy could not
Speaker 1: they couldn't support it. And you know, and that's what
Speaker 1: Reagan knew. It wasn't he knew we didn't have to
Speaker 1: nuke them or I mean, he took the risk, but
Speaker 1: he just basically outcompeted them and they just got beat
Speaker 1: I don't think I was just care about this too,
Speaker 1: because whenever I read and it's funny because North Korea
Speaker 1: pops up in the news when it pops up, and
Speaker 1: I always think when I see anything any story with
Speaker 1: North Korea, I just substitute China because I feel like
Speaker 1: they're kind of like Korea's pitbull maybe where I think China.
Speaker 1: I don't think China would let them do this. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think China wants them to do
Speaker 1: the stuff they say. Now, it doesn't mean he wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it, but I think if China does that, if
Speaker 1: he if that, if he did do that, that's a
Speaker 1: big meal ticket problem for China, because you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the Chinese. The Chinese are business guys,
Speaker 1: and they don't want that for all of the regional players.
Speaker 1: They have a vested interest unfortunately and maintaining the status
Speaker 1: quo exactly for just what the reason you said that
Speaker 1: North Korea would be a tremendous economic burden on that
Speaker 1: entire region. You can only imagine the um not just
Speaker 1: the poverty, lack of development, and the psychological trauma that
Speaker 1: generations of North Koreans have been under. Integrating reunification be
Speaker 1: a very very painful process. The interesting thing you mentioned
Speaker 1: China is that China and North Korea both have a
Speaker 1: similar agenda but for different reasons, and that they would
Speaker 1: both like America out of South Korea. North Korea because
Speaker 1: they see their only chance at reunifying the peninsula under
Speaker 1: the Kim family regime is to take is to get
Speaker 1: America out of there then they would extensibly in their mind,
Speaker 1: have a shot, and I would think our policy I
Speaker 1: would I always thought that it might. It would be
Speaker 1: what we would like to see is a unified Korea
Speaker 1: on our end, but also that would also be an
Speaker 1: economic drain. Is almost like, you know, reuniting Germany. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not that smart on it. From
Speaker 1: from the sources I talked to that they have a
Speaker 1: real issue that they feel out the United States and
Speaker 1: the other players involved, including South Korea, China, all the others,
Speaker 1: are not prepared for reunification. The issue is that it
Speaker 1: could happen very rapidly. Um the Kim family could go collapse,
Speaker 1: Kim jongan could be assassinated, all sorts of different things
Speaker 1: could happen internally in North Korea, but they couldn't handle
Speaker 1: a cast that have nothing to do with America or
Speaker 1: South Korea. Could be an internal collapse and then we
Speaker 1: have to respond and deal with that. And the people
Speaker 1: I talked to at least feel that we're not anywhere
Speaker 1: for that, We're out of that, that we're not ready
Speaker 1: for it. So what do you think is gonna happen
Speaker 1: going down the road immediate? I don't know man, next
Speaker 1: six months a year, Yes, I don't think anything's going
Speaker 1: to change. And when you say the type of people
Speaker 1: that you talked to and the interviews got, who were
Speaker 1: some of the people that you got to interview while
Speaker 1: you were on this trip, Well, I, like I said,
Speaker 1: us not in Korea for a very long period of time.
Speaker 1: I did meet with some folks I'd rather not get
Speaker 1: into their backs. But so a lot of anonymous sources,
Speaker 1: but people, but people who would know. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: when I when I was in the Philippines, not so
Speaker 1: many anonymous sources. They will be on the record. Um So,
Speaker 1: Like I'm working on an article right now about the
Speaker 1: Filipino Scout Rangers and um one general. He's a general now.
Speaker 1: At the time he was a lieutenant, was awarded the
Speaker 1: Medal of Valor, which is their version of the Medal
Speaker 1: of Honor. His Scout ranger platoon went and got they
Speaker 1: mixed it up with the ABUSIF group and half of
Speaker 1: his guys got wiped out. He was shot like probably
Speaker 1: a dozen times or wounded in a dozen different places.
Speaker 1: Um just a hollacious firefight they got into. But most
Speaker 1: of the people I interviewed will be on the record,
Speaker 1: they're tough dudes of Filipinos. I think they no joke,
Speaker 1: they're tough guys. They they'll scrap. You were saying that too.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's always been my impression about those dudes.
Speaker 1: That's a different kind of culture. I'm surprised Jack didn't
Speaker 1: interview to Terry say, I mean you did get to
Speaker 1: interview a sad when you went over to Syria, which
Speaker 1: is pretty Yeah, that's that's a pretty good get. Well. Yeah, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: that was I got a little lucky. I don't. I
Speaker 1: think I'd have to do a little bit more work
Speaker 1: before I'd be on to interview the president of the Philippines.
Speaker 1: I have to ask them, man, with the action that
Speaker 1: we're taking in Syria, that President Trump is taking, do
Speaker 1: you have any of a different outlook on the fact
Speaker 1: that you got to go to Asad's palace, you got
Speaker 1: to speak with him with a very small group of journalists. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's something that will probably never happen again. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And I can tell you just in my own experience,
Speaker 1: I applied for a visa to go back to Syria,
Speaker 1: and you know, you hear whining from the Syrian government
Speaker 1: from other people. How come the American journalists don't go
Speaker 1: and cover Syria? Why don't they go cover the Well
Speaker 1: we're trying. We know, I applied for a visa and
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we'll get back to you, you know,
Speaker 1: if we want to. So it's one of those things
Speaker 1: they wanted us in there that one time. They kind
Speaker 1: of put out their propaganda man stage the regime's message
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't tell with you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't have any interest in having American journalists cruising
Speaker 1: around the country. My proposal was to go back and
Speaker 1: cover the Syrian military too, and not to um stir
Speaker 1: up trouble, you know, like like real people about war
Speaker 1: crimes or anything, but to go cover the tactical and
Speaker 1: strategic situation that these would be interesting actually because you're
Speaker 1: not hearing anything. They don't pay anything like that nothing.
Speaker 1: So um, that was my proposal to them. That's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to go do, and um, I'm still waiting
Speaker 1: to hear that. I gotta ask, then you were openly
Speaker 1: more non interventionist in Syria at the time after meeting
Speaker 1: a SAD I think I would say, unless, well, it
Speaker 1: depends what do you mean by interventionalist. I mean I
Speaker 1: was never I never supported the idea of removing the
Speaker 1: Assad regime just because there's no viable alternatives. So then,
Speaker 1: which makes me wonder that was a few months prior
Speaker 1: to President Trump getting a lot did what we're doing
Speaker 1: right now, which I've do You say anyone would have done?
Speaker 1: You believe you think whether it was President Obama or
Speaker 1: President Hillary Clinton or former President Bill Clinton, they'd probably
Speaker 1: be doing what Trump is right now, regardless of the
Speaker 1: media hysteria. But what do you think of the action
Speaker 1: that we're taking? Which action are you talking colophically? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that the cruise missiles get into well, I mean the
Speaker 1: cruise missile strike. Yeah, I would stick with that original point.
Speaker 1: I think any president would have done that, no choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to maintain international norms against the use of lunch of
Speaker 1: mass destruction. I think anyone has done that. I guess
Speaker 1: Trump is ramping up some of the covert action or
Speaker 1: not not even that's that's really actually that's the news
Speaker 1: we should get into, is that they're not doing covert action. Now.
Speaker 1: They're saying we're overtly supplying the Kurds with weapons that
Speaker 1: just came out, so that's kind of demonstrates a maturing
Speaker 1: I think of the relationship between the United States and
Speaker 1: the Kurdish YPG militia. That's very interesting. Those are great
Speaker 1: guys actually, I mean I've I've worked with them. They're good. Yeah, Kurds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's sticky too because the Curbs then are
Speaker 1: also we have We're trying they're trying to walk this
Speaker 1: fine line with Turkey as well. Right, those guys do
Speaker 1: not like each other, the Curs and Turkey, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think, what's the vibe I have? What
Speaker 1: I just talked about Trump real quick? I mean I
Speaker 1: just got out in October. I think you should mention that. Yeah, recently,
Speaker 1: just tired. Yeah, it was. It's weird getting almost like
Speaker 1: twenty four something years. I haven't even added it up.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've said twenty three that's not rights, not quite
Speaker 1: twenty five because I had a break in service. Who cares.
Speaker 1: But um, I think the dude so far that I've
Speaker 1: talked to generally are okay, are pretty optimistic with with
Speaker 1: Presidents Trump for two reasons, and they're and they're legit
Speaker 1: based on what's gone on so far. Um, he is
Speaker 1: unapologetically even obnoxiously pro American, right. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the that's a pendulum swing from from what we had
Speaker 1: for for eight years. And whether I'm not gonna come,
Speaker 1: I don't know President Obama's heart. I think the things
Speaker 1: he did and said lent the idea that, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like, we're no better than anybody else, and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and I think you got this
Speaker 1: other guy coming on, No, we're the best, that we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep it that way. That's a we like that
Speaker 1: in the military, not because we want to go fight
Speaker 1: all these battles. But the second point is that Trump,
Speaker 1: I think, seems to understand that you need a chainmail
Speaker 1: fist to back up any talk. And I think that's
Speaker 1: where President Obama really missed it. Because President Obama, I
Speaker 1: think really his his mistake was he believed his own hype.
Speaker 1: He really believed that the fact that he was such
Speaker 1: an exceptional, you know president as far as what he was,
Speaker 1: you know, first black president. He lived overseas, he had
Speaker 1: ties to the muzzle world, he understood them, you know,
Speaker 1: he was Ivy League educated, great order. He actually thought
Speaker 1: that that would be enough. His eminent reasonableness I'm making
Speaker 1: that word up because I feel like it. Shakespeare made
Speaker 1: up two words. I can make up a freaking word.
Speaker 1: I said, oh yeah, but so I think that's true.
Speaker 1: That's great. I'm not on Fox News right now. You
Speaker 1: have to be very careful. But I think that was
Speaker 1: the President Obama's problems, and he believed his own hype.
Speaker 1: He thought that, yeah, I mean, I'm very reasonable, I'm
Speaker 1: eminently persuadable. I can talk to these people. And he
Speaker 1: quickly realized that's not the way it works. Russian reminds
Speaker 1: me of the Carter administration. It is Russia is gonna
Speaker 1: Russia Russia. And also Russia goes into Ukraine. You know,
Speaker 1: they do there and we don't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: I realized there's a lot of snakes out there. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, you know. And President Obama, I think,
Speaker 1: quickly had the lesson in reality of like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna listen to me me because I'm cool, or
Speaker 1: that I'm interesting, or that I'm black, or that I'm
Speaker 1: any of those things that were made his presidency yet,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously very historic. I think Trump is kind
Speaker 1: of like the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, in a way, he might he just he
Speaker 1: just might be the kind of guy. What did you
Speaker 1: say to me? Now that's good and bad for us
Speaker 1: in the military, right because we don't want to go
Speaker 1: half cocked. But I think I feel like the dudes
Speaker 1: I've talked to you right now are pretty I don't know,
Speaker 1: pretty hopeful about him because he is very pro American America. First,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to go on that tack for the
Speaker 1: rest of our our existence because I think you gotta
Speaker 1: be park But I think it's again pendulum swing. And
Speaker 1: I also think he's just he has no problem backing
Speaker 1: it up and and that's good. There's other things we
Speaker 1: have I have concerned with Terry. I mean, he did
Speaker 1: say we're going to defeat Isis and we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it fast. What did he say that he was going
Speaker 1: to do it in the first month of his presidency. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he says a lot of stuff. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: I sensed that he he is also being confronted with
Speaker 1: reality as opposed to his campaign. But we know that too.
Speaker 1: Everybody says stuff during the campaign. Um, and I think
Speaker 1: he will I hope. I don't know, man, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the dude, he's you know, I was Trump wasn't my candidate.
Speaker 1: But I think that you're right, he's getting the dose
Speaker 1: of reality. I I hope at least what he will
Speaker 1: do is to maybe turn some of it over to
Speaker 1: the military and say what do you guys think we
Speaker 1: should do? You know, And maybe that's better because I
Speaker 1: think I think there was more political concerns with President
Speaker 1: Obama in general. Yeah, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it was. It will be interesting too to see
Speaker 1: what happens after. And I don't say this as a criticism,
Speaker 1: per say, of of President Trump, but this this is
Speaker 1: any president. I want to see how he's going to respond.
Speaker 1: After the first time he gets burned really bad, then
Speaker 1: we'll see, I mean, like the Benghazi type. Then we
Speaker 1: will see scenario and something something bad happens. And I
Speaker 1: also think within the after a couple of years of
Speaker 1: him settling in and the and the freak outs, well
Speaker 1: they're probably not going to stop medio wise. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just that it's but I think, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see in a couple of years if he actually does
Speaker 1: do stay within the bounds of the Constitution, if Congress
Speaker 1: hold him accountable because you know, President Trump is driven
Speaker 1: by ego. It's so is President Obama. I think their
Speaker 1: egos are fed by different things. President Obama I think
Speaker 1: fed on and thrived on the adulation. He really liked
Speaker 1: being the world president. He liked being that guy who
Speaker 1: came into the room where he goes. It's President Obama.
Speaker 1: I think Trump thrives on just winning and crushing people.
Speaker 1: And that's sometimes good, it's also sometimes bad. So their
Speaker 1: egos are huge. I think they're both very thin skin,
Speaker 1: but it's for kind of I think they're fed by
Speaker 1: different things. Yeah, I mean different backgrounds to mean Obama
Speaker 1: was a community organized or the lawyer, the senator, and Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean you can see, I saw the news today
Speaker 1: the director of the FBI has been fired. Who's the
Speaker 1: next director gonna be? We have four candidates, which will
Speaker 1: make it's the reality TV thing, like somebody's getting eliminated.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be? It is almost like a celebrity apprentice
Speaker 1: for the FBI director. Yeah. Well, and the same thing
Speaker 1: as Supreme Court justice. I mean that's how he plays
Speaker 1: it everything. Yeah, and I think he digs it on
Speaker 1: some level. Two, he does dig it and even though
Speaker 1: He's not the first president on Twitter. He's like the
Speaker 1: first Twitter president. He really is a Twitter president. I
Speaker 1: wish sometimes I just I would actually like it for
Speaker 1: if he would just I would appreciate. I get it.
Speaker 1: He's punching back, which I like to see people punching back,
Speaker 1: But I also think it's sometimes it looks childish, and
Speaker 1: I think, just just back off, dude, don't anything. Just
Speaker 1: sometimes it's good. We learned us in Special Forces. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's good to kind of kind of keep it close
Speaker 1: to the vest, keep it close to the chest, rather
Speaker 1: keep your cards and just don't really say anything, you know,
Speaker 1: smile and go okay, cool, great. Yeah. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: when you're the president of the United States, you don't
Speaker 1: have to reply to everything. You don't have. You got,
Speaker 1: you got some losta behind. And if you think that,
Speaker 1: and if you think the insults are gonna stop because
Speaker 1: you punch back, you're wrong. Yeah. So, you know, especially
Speaker 1: when you're that high profile, you're gonna come out. They're
Speaker 1: gonna come after him NonStop. That's that's just the way
Speaker 1: it is. So I should throw out there for everybody.
Speaker 1: You're checking this out on our Facebook ve um or
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Speaker 1: You're gonna be getting great guests like Terry Shapherd, guys
Speaker 1: like Jim West, Matt Larson, and a lot more to come.
Speaker 1: Trying to get Rob O'Neil here in the studio at
Speaker 1: some point that would be great to see. Ian remind
Speaker 1: me too, I have a bunch of people that I
Speaker 1: want to get on also, like these articles I've been
Speaker 1: writing and all these different people I make contact with
Speaker 1: want to get people on to talk about Detachment A
Speaker 1: in Berlin, Detachment K and Korea. I want to get
Speaker 1: these people on it, and I I know the right
Speaker 1: people to call now, so we'll make it happen and
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get a lot of people here in the
Speaker 1: studio for the people who have been loyal listeners for
Speaker 1: many years. No more of these like sound quality issues.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here twice a week doing just kill
Speaker 1: our shows. That's what we're here to do and deliver
Speaker 1: great is legit. This is my first time in the office. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after many years, we have an office. I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: That's cool. You got you know what, you guys are
Speaker 1: freaking earned it. I mean, actually, you guys have built
Speaker 1: it up. I actually told a few of my friends
Speaker 1: I was coming up to do software, but that they
Speaker 1: know who you are. You know. That's good. That's really good.
Speaker 1: By the way, dead A those guys are. Those guys
Speaker 1: are legends. When I when I got to stuttgard in U,
Speaker 1: there was still a couple holdovers there that had that
Speaker 1: had done. That guy's off my team leader, former team leader.
Speaker 1: If he's listening, Chase Millsap, one of the best guys
Speaker 1: I've ever met. He's out in l A. He's writing.
Speaker 1: He actually wrote a great pilot um for a series
Speaker 1: based on what the Dead Eye. If you don't know
Speaker 1: what that is, that's detachment A. Those are the dudes
Speaker 1: who were working in Germany, back and forth east and
Speaker 1: west in Berlin. Those guys had Those guys were making
Speaker 1: it up as they went and they were very little
Speaker 1: rules of very little restrictions. Some of the ship those
Speaker 1: guys did was serious spook stuff. Serious yeah, and it
Speaker 1: really really, I mean like just a different kind of
Speaker 1: vibe than the green bray stuff we've been doing in
Speaker 1: many of those like Cold War spn Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: really sort of very c i ah, back to the
Speaker 1: oss type stuff. It was also unconventional warfare though, because
Speaker 1: their whole job was if the Soviets pushed across the wall,
Speaker 1: they would basically go underground and become sabotage agents. And
Speaker 1: they all had targets different infrastructure, train tracks, um, power plants,
Speaker 1: whatever to go and destroy slow down the Soviet advance.
Speaker 1: Really cool, it's basically a suicide mission. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: all they all had this kind of cowboy attitude too,
Speaker 1: that they're like, fuck it, we're probably gonna die if
Speaker 1: this happens, and but they were smart and uh, that's
Speaker 1: great stories. The pictures from back in the day are
Speaker 1: off in the trench codes, the big side burns. I
Speaker 1: mean you, if you get a chance, I'll give you something.
Speaker 1: This it's just a very interesting facet of Special Forces history.
Speaker 1: Who was dead Head? Yeah, that's awesome, and we'll be
Speaker 1: able to cover more of that stuff. So I do
Speaker 1: want to get into Terry is not just here for
Speaker 1: his health, No, I just wanted to see Jack and
Speaker 1: ask him about his adventures in the Philippines, because you
Speaker 1: know those are always good. You know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: see the new studio and give it, you know, thumbs upper,
Speaker 1: thumbs down. It's got a thumbs up. But yes, I
Speaker 1: have a series that's running and it's almost done. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. I'll get right into him. And so
Speaker 1: Terry is here promoting his new show, Hollywood Weapons Monday
Speaker 1: at nine pm East on the Outdoor Channel. I would
Speaker 1: say it's kind of the brain child of Joe Montana, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, so Joe Montana is the you know, overall
Speaker 1: producer and people know him from so many things, actor, director, writer,
Speaker 1: total patriotic guy, total second amendment dude. He also besides,
Speaker 1: now you know, he's not criminal minds like however, many years,
Speaker 1: ten years, twelve years, amazing actor, Broadway actor. By the way,
Speaker 1: he grew up in the theater Um in Chicago with
Speaker 1: Gary Sinise. So those another and also David Mammett, who
Speaker 1: is a very very well known playwright who was actually
Speaker 1: kind of a left wing guy. And when I was
Speaker 1: at will Cow several years ago, he had written a
Speaker 1: book called The Secret Knowledge and it's his conversion from
Speaker 1: the left to the right. And he's brilliant. Uh. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so Joe Montania is what's great about him. He's the
Speaker 1: nicest guy you could ever imagine. Um and he's been
Speaker 1: a great in for us in Hollywood because everybody knows
Speaker 1: who he is and he's got a great reputation. So
Speaker 1: we did the pilot from an episode of Criminal Minds
Speaker 1: where I was shooting guns underwater the windshield, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, what a bummer, right, Yeah, I hate
Speaker 1: I hate my job. Although I did shoot the four
Speaker 1: fifty four casule it's the Ruger Redhawk, and I knew
Speaker 1: it was going to fund me because I was in
Speaker 1: a closed container of water and you know, I was
Speaker 1: just like basically like doing an inter We did it
Speaker 1: as safe as we could not. I will say, is
Speaker 1: Larry's oun off this? This guy is great. He's a
Speaker 1: he's the co star and we can't do it without him.
Speaker 1: He actually was an I d F guy and he's
Speaker 1: from Israel. You can't tell us he sounds very American. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't noticed that because I've watched the see right,
Speaker 1: he's actually Israeli. And uh, he was in one of
Speaker 1: the one of the recon I forget exactly what you
Speaker 1: know was. But he did a lot of stuff in Lebanon,
Speaker 1: he's got a combat bet from Israel. Yeah. The premise
Speaker 1: of the show though, because people might not know that
Speaker 1: you're recreating these scenes from famous Hollywood movies and seeing
Speaker 1: can you make the shot? Is it possible? Is this
Speaker 1: just Hollywood? Yeah? I always. I always frame it as
Speaker 1: if you're watching a movie late at night or TV
Speaker 1: and you go, come on, man, can you do that?
Speaker 1: We all do that, right, we all go, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the purpose of the show is to see can
Speaker 1: I using you know, a lever action yellow Boy rifle
Speaker 1: like they used in Good, the Bad and Ugly? Can
Speaker 1: I hit the hangman's rope forty yards away? You know,
Speaker 1: the exact calibu diameter rope hemp rope forty yards away
Speaker 1: and sever it like he did in the movie. Is
Speaker 1: it doable? So? Or is it know what I did that?
Speaker 1: We did the Jaws episode where I shot the M
Speaker 1: one and one grand and I was on a mast
Speaker 1: and we had a moving shark target coming at me
Speaker 1: with a with a scooba tag in his mouth, and
Speaker 1: so then we test can you hit the Can you
Speaker 1: hit that little pipe played bottom of the cylinder? Okay,
Speaker 1: I was able to do that. I think I hit
Speaker 1: three out of six, so that's okay, and then we
Speaker 1: for safety version. For safety reasons, we then took the
Speaker 1: cylinder filled with air, put it back to three yards.
Speaker 1: I hit it. I hit it with actually by Buddy
Speaker 1: Corey had his a it's three oh eight, and I
Speaker 1: hit it and did some interesting things to the shark.
Speaker 1: We had a eight thousand dollar mock up shark. It
Speaker 1: looked amazing and looked like the thing of Jaws. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we then just for fun because it wasn't
Speaker 1: blowy up because it was compressed there and we sort
Speaker 1: of knew that. I put some tanner right on the
Speaker 1: side of the tank and I just blew it to
Speaker 1: Smith Reeds. So it's been interesting because a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff, dude. So that's what we do. And you know,
Speaker 1: the goal is not to debunk the show debunk a movie,
Speaker 1: because that's no funs. It's to celebrate it. I get
Speaker 1: to play the characters like you get in the full
Speaker 1: costume every dude. I'm an actor, so you know, so
Speaker 1: I get to play dress up too. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm dressed like Clinty. So what I was, you know,
Speaker 1: for McClean, I was wearing the wife beat or run
Speaker 1: around bare feet with a baretta and uh yeah, so
Speaker 1: I get to and so it's a combination. I think
Speaker 1: the show what's what's working. You know what's fun about
Speaker 1: it is that if you're a gun guy, there's some
Speaker 1: stuff there for you. If your weapons guy, oh cool.
Speaker 1: If you're someone who just likes movies and TV shows
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, I love that. Yes, if you're
Speaker 1: someone who's into special effects, because I also work with
Speaker 1: a lot of special effects guys to show you how
Speaker 1: those guys make it look so cool on film. If
Speaker 1: you like a buddy comedy, uh, you know, Larry's the adult,
Speaker 1: I'm the child, He's abbot, I'm Costello. You'll dig it.
Speaker 1: And so I think we kind of we have an
Speaker 1: interesting audience. I've gotten a lot of really nice feedback
Speaker 1: from it. And it's fun. Dude, It's like, you love
Speaker 1: to do it, You would love to do it, Ian,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I'd be as successful as you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys both snipers. I am from have
Speaker 1: weapon yet. But that by the way, So second season,
Speaker 1: here's some of the ones we want to do. And
Speaker 1: we also say at the end of the show, always say, hey,
Speaker 1: you got any ideas hit us up at Hollywood Weapons,
Speaker 1: So I definitely want to do I've already made them
Speaker 1: commit to it. So the second I want to do
Speaker 1: the Dirty Harry one where he comes out of the
Speaker 1: diner on that and he's eating the hot dog and
Speaker 1: he's got the forty four bag and he's gotta shoot
Speaker 1: one handed. That's gonna be a hard shot. We're gonna do.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna try to do some lethal weapons stuff.
Speaker 1: I want to do some stuff from like some of
Speaker 1: the seventies cops shows I grew up with, like like
Speaker 1: maybe Kojack or Star Skiing Huts. Just so there's a
Speaker 1: wealth of stuff out there, a gun stuff, like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: is that actually possible? We were thinking of doing like
Speaker 1: an hour long episode is a half hour show, so
Speaker 1: it's really fast. We're thinking to an hour long episode
Speaker 1: maybe like World War two stuff, world War two movies,
Speaker 1: you know, like Kelly's Heroes or or you know some
Speaker 1: of those, and and we gotta we have a it's
Speaker 1: wide open right now, and it's uh, it's been a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, man, It's been a lot of It's
Speaker 1: just been so much fun. How can I complain You're
Speaker 1: showing me the preview earlier where you're playing Captain Kirk
Speaker 1: and you're fighting the lizard Man. Yep, I had to
Speaker 1: choreograph well because I even said for him, like, I
Speaker 1: got an idea, let's do that fight scene with with
Speaker 1: Gore and the lizard Man. So you know, I'm dressed
Speaker 1: just like Kirk, and I've that really bad double handed
Speaker 1: punch and the awful kick and he's grabbing with him
Speaker 1: and I we choreographed so it looks exactly like if
Speaker 1: you were just walking in the living room, you go,
Speaker 1: oh wow, an old Star Trek episode is on, and
Speaker 1: we tested to see, you know, he made that homemade cannon,
Speaker 1: and so sometimes in the show it works. It works,
Speaker 1: full on, Holy sh it. It worked ever first take.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, quite a few, Yeah, quite a few, and
Speaker 1: then some of them like maybe maybe not so, like
Speaker 1: the ramble one with the powder reignites the powder with
Speaker 1: the m six. Okay, so the first time we tried that,
Speaker 1: we're shooting it through plexiglass and stuff. The blast the
Speaker 1: muzzle blasts from the from the from the sixty which
Speaker 1: is seven two machine um just pushed all the powder away.
Speaker 1: You could see on the phantom camera slow motion, a
Speaker 1: little bit of flame, but it was pushed away and
Speaker 1: blown out. So Larry's like, well, we could tweak it
Speaker 1: a bit because it was in a hardware store. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's some grooves and the planks, so we were able
Speaker 1: to put a little more powder and once that happened, man,
Speaker 1: it actually took off. What did you do for the
Speaker 1: die Hard episode? So yeah, so we did two things.
Speaker 1: There's that iconic scene where he gets he gets blown
Speaker 1: off the roof. He's and he swings and he can't
Speaker 1: get through the window, and so he pushes off. He
Speaker 1: pushes off and he starts, he takes his bread and
Speaker 1: got shoots it in six rounds. So we do it
Speaker 1: exactly that and see if you can push through the window.
Speaker 1: We also did just for fun. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of MP five's rolling around that show he had
Speaker 1: a while, so I actually used the MP five for
Speaker 1: twenty rounds. At the time. It was a very hip gun. Actually,
Speaker 1: so was the Barretta. I mean the first time we
Speaker 1: saw exactly right, exactly, So like stuff like that, dude,
Speaker 1: you'll dig because it's you know, if you know the
Speaker 1: shows and you know the movie, like, oh, I remember
Speaker 1: that gun and the Bretta ninety two is pretty much
Speaker 1: my service gun in my whole career. So I told
Speaker 1: I looked at Larry good Man, I better not suck,
Speaker 1: you know, He's that better not. There's a lot of pressure,
Speaker 1: Just a lot of pressure, dude, because it's like one take,
Speaker 1: like you gotta try it and if I blow it, okay,
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, we don't debunk the show.
Speaker 1: I just you know, and if I miss it or
Speaker 1: it doesn't work quite as well, ago at Clint East
Speaker 1: who could have done it, you know, So you gotta
Speaker 1: give credit to the to the guys who made the character.
Speaker 1: So we did a Rambo thing. We Predator with a
Speaker 1: mini gun. I got to meet Bill Duke, the guy
Speaker 1: who played Mac Mac. Super nice guy, you guys. He
Speaker 1: was so cool and friendly to me. I had like
Speaker 1: a forty five minute interview with this cat. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Asked him a lot of questions about actor stuff too.
Speaker 1: I said, was that was that shaving? Remember in the
Speaker 1: movie he's doing the dry shave? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you because I'm an actor too. Was
Speaker 1: that an actor's choice or was that written in the script.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, I came up with it myself because
Speaker 1: I thought, and he's not even military guy. He goes,
Speaker 1: I just figured guys like that would have have to
Speaker 1: have some kind of channel for their nervous energy. I said, dude,
Speaker 1: that was such a great fucking choice. He was like,
Speaker 1: that was like one of the best portrayals of a
Speaker 1: soldier in a movie. He was great. Yeah, he was brilliant.
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna bleed out. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have some fun. We're gonna have some fun. And he goes,
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes, I'm tired of you. He says,
Speaker 1: I'm like ghost ghosted. That was your ghosted us because
Speaker 1: I'm touching good lead to bleed real. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just so and he was, you get to recreate those lines. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I even asked him before before we did the test,
Speaker 1: I said, so, Bill, you know you got any you
Speaker 1: got any last words for me? And he's like, if
Speaker 1: it bleeds, you can kill it. And he actually came
Speaker 1: on another surprise, So he actually came out to the
Speaker 1: range on test day and I did not expect that.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking to Larry and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, I got something else. I look and
Speaker 1: there's Bill Duke, so you know he didn't do it,
Speaker 1: but he uh, you know, I did the mini gun
Speaker 1: with blanks. You can't shoot a mini gun. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: mini gun thing is bullshit. You can't hut him. And
Speaker 1: we talked about that. It is impossible. So we did it.
Speaker 1: But I did it just like in the movie where
Speaker 1: I had the blanks in the belt and it looks
Speaker 1: bad as it's so much fun. And then we actually
Speaker 1: mounted to a tripod and actually Larry had that gun
Speaker 1: so nice. I'm thinking it was close to two minutes straight.
Speaker 1: I've never done that in real life. Two minute straight
Speaker 1: mini gun, back and forth, traversing across this homemade you know,
Speaker 1: this man made jungle. We made barrels glowing by the
Speaker 1: barrel was on. It was just it looked like it
Speaker 1: was it was it was it was cooking the air
Speaker 1: so and it was so you know, dude, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Uh. If you dig guns, you'll dig
Speaker 1: it if you like the movies, Like there's a scene, okay,
Speaker 1: and I just I'm really lucky because I retired in
Speaker 1: October and I was already filming the series. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's car for guys like us to get out because
Speaker 1: we're thinking what do I do with my life now?
Speaker 1: And I had other things potentially lined up and I
Speaker 1: still do. But that was nice because I was actually
Speaker 1: still I was filming it in Gunsight, Arizona with the
Speaker 1: October tenth and I retired, so I got kind of
Speaker 1: lucky that I was already segu congratulations. Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: It was cool. And you've been a guy who's been
Speaker 1: doing this for years. I mean, for the people who
Speaker 1: aren't that familiar with Terry, You've done Shark Week, You're
Speaker 1: a regular on World Cow Show. Dude, you're screwed. I
Speaker 1: had a survival show on Discovery. I did. My first
Speaker 1: big break was was Warriors with Terry Shopper on History.
Speaker 1: And as you've said, you're a trained actor, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of a natural transition for you. Yet at the
Speaker 1: same time, you've been pretty honest and saying it's a
Speaker 1: little bitter sweet to not be a Green Beret anymore,
Speaker 1: to be a former Green Barrett. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: like I don't like that. You know now we call
Speaker 1: ourselves f a g S Former action guys, action guys,
Speaker 1: and reminds me a Team American World Police. Yes, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, I was talking to Jack before
Speaker 1: we started, before you went on era. I was a
Speaker 1: little worried about it. I still kind of am, because
Speaker 1: in my quiet moments, I think, God, man, what what
Speaker 1: do I do? You know what I mean? That was
Speaker 1: my I was almost a quarter of a century doing that.
Speaker 1: Your identity, it's your identity. So even when I'm walking
Speaker 1: around in New York City, I often think to myself, Man,
Speaker 1: what separated me from that? Herd? Is not me anymore?
Speaker 1: So it's kind of I guess you gotta put the
Speaker 1: ego down a little bit, maybe, right, I mean, you've
Speaker 1: been you've been out for a while, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean I think the smart thing you did is
Speaker 1: that you already had a transition plan. You know, you
Speaker 1: were already any way out. And I encourage other guys
Speaker 1: to do that. Like I was saying to another guy
Speaker 1: I know who's getting out maybe in like a year,
Speaker 1: and he's already starting up business things. It's good for him.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's smart, because the last thing
Speaker 1: you want to do is get out of the military
Speaker 1: and then ask yourself back, now what And they had
Speaker 1: now what, Well, now you're screwed because you don't have
Speaker 1: a job. Yeah, anyone sitting around on the catch drinking
Speaker 1: jim beam, that's not good for any of us. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that kind of you, to be honest a little bit.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the gym beam, but you didn't have You've
Speaker 1: said before that you were you were trying to apply
Speaker 1: for jobs that they said you were overqualified for. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that happened. Um, I did go through a little
Speaker 1: bit of a limbo, but I by the time I
Speaker 1: got out, I knew that I was going to be
Speaker 1: going to college. But year did you putch out again?
Speaker 1: Two thousand and ten? That's right, Okay, Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: had school lined up. Yeah, um, but it's hard. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys, you know, man, were just talking about
Speaker 1: Mike Mantonito, that the actor that he did such a
Speaker 1: great job in that movie. Uh, miracle went into Special
Speaker 1: Forces about a week and a half, two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: We killed himself. It's someone Kurt Slichter, who's a guy
Speaker 1: following Twitter. He's a very conservative guy, but he actually
Speaker 1: wrote a tweet right after that. Actually, this guy, Bob
Speaker 1: Owen's killed himself too. I don't know who he has
Speaker 1: ever seen heard of. Bob Owen's very interesting guy, Second
Speaker 1: Amendment guy, very humble, and he was witty as shit,
Speaker 1: like people would come after him and he would just
Speaker 1: in a very clever, you can't beat it kind of way,
Speaker 1: just crushed him, but with a smile on his face.
Speaker 1: And he committed suicide. And it was awful because, like
Speaker 1: his last Facebook post was, I guess I'm not as
Speaker 1: strong as you thought I was or told you I was.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a coward. I'm sorry. It also kind
Speaker 1: of sucks when a guy who's pro Second Amendment out
Speaker 1: there about it, you know well, and then and then
Speaker 1: the vultures that piled on that, that was awful, Like,
Speaker 1: oh that's what you get, asshole. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you have no class. So and but but Kurt Schlichter said, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're thinking about doing that, just reach
Speaker 1: out to one of us, just just maybe maybe just
Speaker 1: give us a chance. What do you got to lose?
Speaker 1: And and it is hard. I was just at a
Speaker 1: charity for this these guys, task Force Dagger last weekend
Speaker 1: and it was awesome. I'm actually doing something for those
Speaker 1: dudes down to Key West, in in June. June, we
Speaker 1: do a big dive. We bring them, not just Special
Speaker 1: Forces guys with the families, so they all go, they
Speaker 1: all get certified, they all go diving. But you know,
Speaker 1: some of those guys in these charities, man, they're getting
Speaker 1: calls at two o'clock in the morning, like if you
Speaker 1: don't if you don't help me, I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: here Tuesday. Holy shit, I mean, this has really happened,
Speaker 1: and I don't That's another topic for for a longer day. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're complicated. We're complicated guys, and we do
Speaker 1: get hurt. It's very hard to admit it. We don't
Speaker 1: want to be that dude like your arrange of Italian guy. Right,
Speaker 1: I went to range of school. We're both at SEF.
Speaker 1: One of the things we never want to be is
Speaker 1: that guy, the burden, the one who brings down the unit.
Speaker 1: So right, I mean, I think that's and that by
Speaker 1: the way, that peer pressure is good. It's effective, and
Speaker 1: then it keeps guys really really humming and doing their best.
Speaker 1: But sometimes it will isolate you. And when that happens,
Speaker 1: then then you could then you're fucked. You know what
Speaker 1: I've struggled with some some some issues as well. So
Speaker 1: I feel like almost all the you know, being the
Speaker 1: civilian who gets to meet guys, Yeah, you talk to
Speaker 1: us a lot. I feel like I hear it from
Speaker 1: most Special operations and it's hard to admit. But if
Speaker 1: we're honest with ourselves, you know, it's it sucks. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it is an ego thing too, because we're all
Speaker 1: we're all prima donnas thinking we're the ultimate, unbeatable to unbeatable,
Speaker 1: ultimate bad out. But then how many guys get out
Speaker 1: of the military. In the second they do, they're like
Speaker 1: falling apart or struggling. I mean, we all struggled to
Speaker 1: some extent. But it's like, well, maybe we need to
Speaker 1: set aside all the I'm a badass. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: what are the other sayings that are they're out there,
Speaker 1: I don't need help or you don't help me. But
Speaker 1: I also think and and but this, like like Task
Speaker 1: Force Daggers is doing well and so common. Actually I
Speaker 1: asked them, so COMMS trying pretty hard. So COMMS is
Speaker 1: putting for a pretty good effort to kind of reach
Speaker 1: out to all And it's not just special ops guys.
Speaker 1: It's even like conventional guys that got wounded with stuff
Speaker 1: during our operations. But you know, at some point the
Speaker 1: regiment I'm speaking for, the Special Forces regiment, has to
Speaker 1: potentially look inside itself and start looking to take care
Speaker 1: of guys when they get out. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I feel like in a lot of ways, guys just
Speaker 1: get out and you're just dumped on the street. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's intentionally mean, it just happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the military doesn't take responsibility for what happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just slide that paperwork across the desk and your
Speaker 1: your out, off you go. And uh. And it's funny
Speaker 1: how I don't know if I want to get into
Speaker 1: this too much, but it's funny. I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: get on that road. No, no, no, I think it's
Speaker 1: important to say it is. I think it's funny how
Speaker 1: the military sometimes tries to reach to the guys who
Speaker 1: are out and put like pressure on them and say
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, don't do this, don't do that.
Speaker 1: But then it does the military doesn't really take responsibility
Speaker 1: for these guys when their lives are falling apart. They
Speaker 1: kind of walk from it. Well, we also had a
Speaker 1: problem too. I I don't know what that's like right now,
Speaker 1: but I think it's still a problem. You know, So
Speaker 1: you think about this. You get guys and Jack was
Speaker 1: in that world. You get you get Special Forces guys
Speaker 1: that are rolling on deployment after deployment after deployment, and
Speaker 1: then they come back and maybe they get a d U. I.
Speaker 1: You know, they get jammed up, they funk up, they'll
Speaker 1: they'll get their tab revote. You know, US Army Special
Speaker 1: Forces Command goes in and actually, you know, takes their
Speaker 1: tab away. You've not that means you actually can't ever
Speaker 1: really claim your green break. You've seen guys have their
Speaker 1: be detabbed for a d U. I yeah, dinah, I've
Speaker 1: never seen it happen, but I've talked to guys that
Speaker 1: had happened guys and and for other things too. Like
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is when guys start breaking
Speaker 1: and everybody breaks and they and they funk up, they
Speaker 1: get jammed up, they do this, I don't know whatever
Speaker 1: the kind of thing is. You know, instead of like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we can help this dude, a lot of times
Speaker 1: they're just like we crushed them, and I'm painting with
Speaker 1: a broad brush, and it's not like, oh woe is me,
Speaker 1: But I think just from a long term point of view,
Speaker 1: from the regiment's health, they've got to maybe re examine
Speaker 1: a couple of things on how we handle guys in
Speaker 1: how we transition them out. And then you know what's
Speaker 1: happening now and it's working, is that you know, the
Speaker 1: support structures for when you get out are actually being
Speaker 1: done by guys who are not in the military anymore.
Speaker 1: So guys like us were like, we can help you,
Speaker 1: and so that's the right thing to do. That's another
Speaker 1: thing I'm I'm planning on getting into. I've already started
Speaker 1: getting involved in some of that stuff more now that
Speaker 1: I'm out, because I got no excuse now to not
Speaker 1: do it, because now I can't. I can't say, well,
Speaker 1: i'm in, I'm busy. No, I'm suncing up now. So
Speaker 1: I got to do that. Jack and I not too
Speaker 1: long ago interviewed crawl Longer, which what's his organization? Gallant
Speaker 1: Few Gallant Few, Yeah, And and I think he gives
Speaker 1: out his number and says like, hey, if it's an
Speaker 1: emergency type situation, I'm there, and he makes himself available.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great veterans organizations out there for
Speaker 1: you guys to check out, Gallant Few being one of them.
Speaker 1: Carl is, Yeah, he's hardcore, like seriously committed, does a
Speaker 1: lot of work. And those guys are so unselfish, you know,
Speaker 1: like the guy the Keith David who's running Task Force Dagger.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, he's he had like he had,
Speaker 1: he had spinal surgery. They fused his spine, they go
Speaker 1: in through his trick. Five days later, he's on his
Speaker 1: couch and he's he gets a call from guys like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be dead by tuesday. Boom, activate the bath phone.
Speaker 1: In an hour, there's plane tickets, he's getting admitted to
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Clinic, all this kind of stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: you're now putting that on and they're doing that just
Speaker 1: out of love, you know. So it is very unselfish.
Speaker 1: And you also have to think about the guy fielding
Speaker 1: those phone calls day and yeah, right, and then they
Speaker 1: start getting crushed. You start seeing this stuff over and
Speaker 1: over again. Anyway, I hope we didn't don't mean to
Speaker 1: digress into this. No, no, no, I think I think
Speaker 1: we're like I said, it's important actually wrapping up that
Speaker 1: topic though, have by any chance have you guys seen
Speaker 1: the new All That Remains video Madness So great band
Speaker 1: and our friend Chris Tanto Paranto it stars in the video,
Speaker 1: so Philibanti who fronts All that Remains as a former
Speaker 1: Marine himself. Yeah, he's yeah, so, I mean veterans issues
Speaker 1: very important thing to him. Uh. And Chris Speranto plays
Speaker 1: a suicidal vet and you know, his daughter walks in
Speaker 1: the room and it stops him from shooting himself. And
Speaker 1: Chris has said actually on this show on Sopprep Radio
Speaker 1: that he he doesn't feel, you know, he was necessarily
Speaker 1: playing a part. He was saying, that's where I was
Speaker 1: at that stage in life. And he wrote a whole
Speaker 1: article about that. He was at a airport one time
Speaker 1: and he was feeling kind of suicidal during the whole
Speaker 1: Benghazi stuff because he said the mainstream media wasn't having
Speaker 1: us on. We were all being told we were liars.
Speaker 1: And he said some older lady at an airport just
Speaker 1: came up to him and was like, hey, are Utanto,
Speaker 1: And he said, I didn't want to talk to this woman.
Speaker 1: I kind of just wanted to be left alone. And
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I'm Tonto, and she said, hey,
Speaker 1: I love what you're saying. Keeps speaking your truth. And
Speaker 1: he says, this woman doesn't know it, but she stopped
Speaker 1: me profound something stupid to myself, that's profound. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think most Americans. I don't know, Jackie, do you tell me?
Speaker 1: I think. I think most Americans appreciate what we do.
Speaker 1: I really do, I think, but I think a lot
Speaker 1: of them are unaware of the whole thing, you know,
Speaker 1: another thing we got to So if you look at
Speaker 1: and this sounds every one of them means something to us, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wearing one. I'm wearing my you know,
Speaker 1: Tim McGill and my wrist right now. But in a
Speaker 1: relative way, you know, we've lost compared to what we've
Speaker 1: lost the World War Two. It's it's it's not a
Speaker 1: lot of guys. So it's easy for the for the
Speaker 1: for the folks at home who are not They don't
Speaker 1: know Jack Murphy. You know, they're not your brother or
Speaker 1: you guys, don't you know, they don't know us. We
Speaker 1: are becoming, in a weird way, a bit of a
Speaker 1: chance of being a lost generation. Because of World War Two,
Speaker 1: everybody had somebody over there uncle's son, brother. Okay, every
Speaker 1: the country was a rational tinfoil, like everybody was involved
Speaker 1: in this effort. Now for a lot of people, they
Speaker 1: come back and it's a news story. You go, oh man,
Speaker 1: someone got killed. The guests that what's for dinner. It's
Speaker 1: not their fault. Yeah, yeah, it's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: In an odd way. We fight for them to be
Speaker 1: able to be detached from it, disassociated. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: how how could you ever expect them to be as
Speaker 1: fully engaged the way we are to get up in
Speaker 1: the morning, they go to work, they do the thing,
Speaker 1: take care of their kids. And I would never want,
Speaker 1: you know, the average American to be in a position
Speaker 1: where it's like they have to be thinking about the
Speaker 1: war like on the that I mean, that's why we've
Speaker 1: we fought so that they are in general, are not
Speaker 1: in that situation. Um. But yeah, it's a cultural divide.
Speaker 1: And there's some thought that the military today is moving
Speaker 1: into a situation or scenario where it's like today's American
Speaker 1: military is like sort of like Knights of the Round
Speaker 1: Table kind of thing where you have this like small
Speaker 1: professional force and it's also generational, so like the people
Speaker 1: who are joining the military. You're probably joining because your
Speaker 1: dad and your grandfather were right, you were influenced by
Speaker 1: someone directly involved with me. Right, So it's becoming like
Speaker 1: a more and more more culture. Uh. And we don't
Speaker 1: have conscription like during World War Two or even Vietnam,
Speaker 1: which we want. I don't want that, so less and
Speaker 1: less people have that familiarity or that understanding with the military. Um.
Speaker 1: And like South Korea they have conscription um and the
Speaker 1: Philippines they did away with r otc um, but they
Speaker 1: might be bringing something like that back. Yeah. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean if you think about a point whatever percentage point
Speaker 1: zero percentage of the of the population is in the military, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know the number I should have looked at up,
Speaker 1: but whatever it is, it's quite small. So that my
Speaker 1: point is what keeps us alive after we die. It's
Speaker 1: a continued stories. And it was kind of like that
Speaker 1: tradition of talking about my uncle. Well, if we only
Speaker 1: have point zero something percent of the dudes doing it
Speaker 1: over a couple of generations, that just goes away. So's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So in a weird way,
Speaker 1: that's that's where it kind of just it just erases itself.
Speaker 1: By time. You know. That's why on a show recently
Speaker 1: we had it on a guy Jim downing Pearl Harbor
Speaker 1: survivor and it's crazy to think we're the last of
Speaker 1: unbelievable that's going to talk to Pearl Harbor survivors, Holocaust survivors.
Speaker 1: By the time maybe I have kids, or by the
Speaker 1: time your daughter is as a teenager, these guys won't
Speaker 1: be around. Absolutely, even the Vietnam veterans are getting older.
Speaker 1: If you think they're getting in their seventies now, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: there are those cats? Are those they're up there now? Anyway,
Speaker 1: So anyway, buzz kill here, No, No, that's not a
Speaker 1: buzz kill. It's actually I think I'm hopeful. You know
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful, but I'm also just realistic. You also know,
Speaker 1: you never know who's watching this Facebook live right now,
Speaker 1: and you might have just heard about Gallant FUS. So
Speaker 1: I mean there's a positive too, And if there's some
Speaker 1: of your there's someone out there listening right now. I
Speaker 1: will say this seriously, if because you have a lot
Speaker 1: of military guys listening to you, guys and give a
Speaker 1: ship what you say. If you're listening to this and
Speaker 1: you're kind of treading that line before you do it,
Speaker 1: before you do something like that, and just and just
Speaker 1: destroy all the people who you wait may or may
Speaker 1: not know love you. Just get give us, as Kurt
Speaker 1: Schlichter said, just give us a chance, call one of us.
Speaker 1: If someone called me and said that's it for me,
Speaker 1: would you do? Would you do anything? You move heaven
Speaker 1: and earth for them? But half the time, like I
Speaker 1: had no idea. So just you know, don't look for
Speaker 1: the government to help you. The v A and they try,
Speaker 1: but you know, we cared the most about each other
Speaker 1: down range. It was us. It was just us. And
Speaker 1: so it's kind of that way now. So if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this and there's you're having a bad time, man,
Speaker 1: hit up one of your buddies. Trust me, he will
Speaker 1: be there for you. And I think that's the only
Speaker 1: way to start it right now, because we just isolate
Speaker 1: ourselves and and it's just kind of the culture we're in.
Speaker 1: It's a warrior culture. I'm actually writing a book about it.
Speaker 1: I got a deal that I'm writing about looking for you.
Speaker 1: Just you put out a weapon's book there, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a long time ago, and I want I want
Speaker 1: to call that book It was supposed to be a
Speaker 1: fun book called The Green Beret's Guide to to Lazy
Speaker 1: Street Survival, which I thought was a cool title, and
Speaker 1: the publisher was like, we don't. We don't want the
Speaker 1: people to, you know, misconstrue that it's not an official
Speaker 1: Green bad I said, people listen, I said, let's let's
Speaker 1: talk to Brandon Webb. You throw the name Seal on
Speaker 1: a book, and every motherfucker is gonna buy. So if
Speaker 1: you throw green Beret on there, yeah, Okay, we're not
Speaker 1: as sexy as the Seals, right, but we don't. They
Speaker 1: tend to have better hair, except for you have great
Speaker 1: hair still, Jack. But it's like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: if if But they just didn't understand that. I was like,
Speaker 1: if you put green bray on it, because that's what
Speaker 1: I was. I was still in at the time. I
Speaker 1: was like, people are gonna be interested in that. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to have a fun and they
Speaker 1: made it very straight. But I'm you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: called again for people who wants it's called it's called
Speaker 1: an Improvised Weaponry, how to Survive with Everything's it's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I have a signed coffee by you
Speaker 1: it's almost comparable to Quinn Emerson Navy Seals Deadly Skills.
Speaker 1: It's a similar but it's a lot of tongue in
Speaker 1: cheek stuff. It's a lot of fun. I talked about
Speaker 1: some experiences and it's just sort of like, you know,
Speaker 1: creativity stuff, like when you're with your wife a girlfriend
Speaker 1: out at a restaurant and you know, you just start
Speaker 1: playing creative games. Like you realize right now, I could
Speaker 1: pick that mug up and break it over your head.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even be able to stop me. Oh that's interesting, asshole.
Speaker 1: I could take this rigid menu and shove it under
Speaker 1: your throat, and I said, just make sure you don't
Speaker 1: say it loud enough so people are like, we gotta
Speaker 1: call the cops. But it's like kind of fun because
Speaker 1: because I think we gets people jammed up always is
Speaker 1: they're just not you know, like I said, don't don't
Speaker 1: walk out of a parking lot in Walmart with your
Speaker 1: head buried in your cell phone at midnight that you're getting.
Speaker 1: But people do that stuff all the time. I talked
Speaker 1: about this this Indian woman, she was like sixty seven
Speaker 1: years old. She fought off a tiger with a farm
Speaker 1: implement and she fought this thing for like forty five
Speaker 1: minutes of walk back to the village. She didn't have
Speaker 1: any martial arts training. You know, I basically talked about
Speaker 1: unleashing the inner chimp. No one wants to fight a
Speaker 1: crazy dude, you know. Uh So that that was that book.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm working on a book now called Warrior Culture.
Speaker 1: Um has better not steal. I've already got a thing
Speaker 1: on it. But it's a it's about what we are
Speaker 1: because I mean, I'm an anthropology degree. I've kept that going.
Speaker 1: But with you guys are pretty well educated, and I
Speaker 1: want to tie that in the anthropological aspect of of
Speaker 1: society's there's a good reason why they have warrior cultures.
Speaker 1: And you know the dirty secret is too, it's not
Speaker 1: just because we're all altruistic gods like us like to fight,
Speaker 1: and it would behoove a society to find a place
Speaker 1: for us that's not destructive to the society. So get
Speaker 1: us ready for battle. How us fight your enemies, because
Speaker 1: otherwise we can become really bad criminals. It's the same.
Speaker 1: I think that's why the g I Bill exists in
Speaker 1: the first place. It's like for a country it's a
Speaker 1: bad thing to have large numbers of unemployed veterans on
Speaker 1: your street. It's not a good idea. Well it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not a good idea. So anyway, man, I look
Speaker 1: at it from a you know, and also warrior culture.
Speaker 1: So what is a warrior in my In my book,
Speaker 1: it is narrowly defined as someone who's gone to war
Speaker 1: or goes to war. So it's not like an m M.
Speaker 1: A fighter is not a warrior. He's a fighter unless
Speaker 1: it's Tim Kennedy's Tim Kenny. That's Tim Kenny, is all
Speaker 1: of those things. But you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: for the world warrior in this case, it's got to
Speaker 1: be someone actually goes to combat and it's a life
Speaker 1: or death situation. Not a social justice warrior. Not. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I don't say that mocking. You're not
Speaker 1: a cancer warrior. Yeah we can. But and also culture
Speaker 1: is a set of learned behaviors. So what is how
Speaker 1: do you does that learn behavior set that gets passed
Speaker 1: on through different societies, And there's good and there's bad.
Speaker 1: There's really good things about it, and there's some things
Speaker 1: that are self destructive. And finding where that where you
Speaker 1: can tattle that first societies is actually always a challenge. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what any idea when that will be out? I should
Speaker 1: be done with it, I'm thinking in the next I
Speaker 1: want to say about Fall. I think about Fall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was going to mention to you Jack, other than
Speaker 1: the article that you wrote, which we covered earlier, of
Speaker 1: you going to South Korea, you're writing what like a
Speaker 1: twenty something part series on Korea on yeah, on on debt. K.
Speaker 1: Let's get into that, because I it's every few days
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a new article on software dot com from you,
Speaker 1: and pretty well, yeah, that's because, um, so I do
Speaker 1: this all the time when I try to like research
Speaker 1: a topic or an article. Is that I, um, I
Speaker 1: always underestimate how much research I should do. You underestimate
Speaker 1: or over overestimate. So anyway, long story short, what I
Speaker 1: do is I keep thinking I need to gather more information,
Speaker 1: so I do more interviews more, just more interviews. And
Speaker 1: then I realized I have like fifty pages of notes
Speaker 1: that for one article, and I'm like, holy sh so
Speaker 1: I ended up so this article is twenty pages long.
Speaker 1: And also the detachment it's the Special Forces resident team
Speaker 1: in Korea. They stay in South Korea. The guys, the personnel,
Speaker 1: individual people rotate in and out, but they stay there
Speaker 1: in Korea and UH provide a liaison function to the
Speaker 1: South Korean Special Forces. So and it's decay is a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger than an O D A plus some
Speaker 1: support guys, a couple of riggers, admin guys, whatever, and
Speaker 1: UH they each guy on the debt is assigned to
Speaker 1: liaison with a different special Forces South Korean Special Forces
Speaker 1: unit and they're the guy that knows everything about that
Speaker 1: special Forces brigade and everything about everything and their office
Speaker 1: many times is right next to the brigade commander. And
Speaker 1: we're talking about a E seven E eight that has
Speaker 1: tremendous influence over that's a big job for over doctrine training.
Speaker 1: Who is advising a Special Forces colonel. That's a big job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's over the years there's been some jealousy from
Speaker 1: the officer cast that they don't like that there's n
Speaker 1: c O s doing this, and they've tried to disband
Speaker 1: the unit a few yeah. Yeah, Um. So the debt
Speaker 1: started in nineteen sixty is about the paperwork is a
Speaker 1: little dicey, and there's some controversy about when exactly it started.
Speaker 1: It was first known as Detachment forty and it's been
Speaker 1: going since then, um and has had tremendous influence over
Speaker 1: South Korean special Forces and special operations in general. UM.
Speaker 1: And I mean I I I would like to think
Speaker 1: I did some good work on it, and I uncovered
Speaker 1: some really interesting stuff like green berets going out with
Speaker 1: South Korean special Forces in the nine sixties hunting down
Speaker 1: North Korean infiltrators. Did not know about that. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear abo that. I'm not surprised when you
Speaker 1: say it, but still we don't hear about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I actually have pictures of some of it that
Speaker 1: published of like North Korean infiltrators shot up and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like the wild West. And you have to understand,
Speaker 1: like the Korean War wrecked that peninsula and there were
Speaker 1: people thought it was never gonna recover. Um. The guys,
Speaker 1: some of the guys I interviewed who are in the
Speaker 1: detachment the nineteen sixties describe how in Soul, in the
Speaker 1: capital of South Korea, dirt roads people living in Chant
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that, I mean horse drawn carriages are
Speaker 1: mule drawn carts. Um, you know one of the guys
Speaker 1: provided me with all these pictures, and one of them
Speaker 1: is a guy riding a bicycle with a pig tied
Speaker 1: down to the back of the bicycle, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what they would do is get the pig drunk on
Speaker 1: like soju until it passes out, and then tie it
Speaker 1: to like a little bench on the back of the motorcycle.
Speaker 1: And that's how they transported the pig from one village
Speaker 1: to the next. So is pretty good. Yeah, they like it.
Speaker 1: There are very few have roads and it's in the
Speaker 1: nine sixties. Yeah, there's like one hotel and soul And
Speaker 1: look at it now. Man, I mean I've never been,
Speaker 1: but I've seen it. It's amazing. I just came back
Speaker 1: and it is a triumph of capitalism. It is, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. That city reminds me my first impression of it.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of Switzerland. How well the Indo structure
Speaker 1: has developed, that good, how well thought out and well planned.
Speaker 1: It is um And I'm sure there's parts of it
Speaker 1: that aren't so rosy, but I mean it is the
Speaker 1: first world country. Yeah, it's part of the modern world.
Speaker 1: All those um stereotypes or even preconceptions that I had
Speaker 1: of of East Asia. Um, you know, like something from
Speaker 1: an Indiana Jones movie, or it's not like that, like that,
Speaker 1: It's not like that at all. That's like, well, I
Speaker 1: spent quite a bit of time in Singapore's I said.
Speaker 1: But I already knew that about Singapore. I think people
Speaker 1: might not think that about Korea. My father has spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time there because he was working in Singapore.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting place. Do you think that North lever
Speaker 1: be reunited with the South and anyway? Or is that?
Speaker 1: It's hard to say? I mean people there are different
Speaker 1: people with different opinions. Um, some of the people I
Speaker 1: interviewed say, yeah, it could happen tomorrow for some of
Speaker 1: the reasons I was saying, obviously, Um, there are other
Speaker 1: people who are like, you know, I used to think so,
Speaker 1: but I'm very skeptical so much now. Um, I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I think, but it's something that
Speaker 1: we have to plan for and be ready for it
Speaker 1: and be ready for and there are like some things
Speaker 1: we can do, like propaganda operations. There are some positive
Speaker 1: signs like so in the past, North Korea had such
Speaker 1: a stranglehold over the people of the country. The North
Speaker 1: Koreans thought they were the lucky ones right in the south.
Speaker 1: The South are the ones. They have their living under tyranny.
Speaker 1: Look at them, they're suffering. They're suffering over there. So
Speaker 1: that's how propagandas they were. That's that was in the past.
Speaker 1: Now today in the present. Um, most of the people
Speaker 1: in North Korea they know that they can't be under
Speaker 1: any illusion. Now they're now they're aware. Like one story
Speaker 1: that a Special Force in sergeant major was telling me was, um,
Speaker 1: they learned this through North Korean defectoris was that the
Speaker 1: North Koreans have been growing marijuana and selling it to
Speaker 1: the Chinese. The Chinese are in exchange. Part of the
Speaker 1: payment is UM DVDs from South Korea Gee and the soaps,
Speaker 1: the South Korean soap operas have become very popular in
Speaker 1: North Korea. And the people after lights out, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're getting their DVDs and putting the forbidden DVDs.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how that stuff happens though. That's
Speaker 1: how that that's how that that cascade maybe starts to
Speaker 1: go because you know, instead of like you said, as
Speaker 1: a military like let's know, like these tastes of culture,
Speaker 1: these tastes of like glimpses of freedom that doesn't go
Speaker 1: away once. Once you know something, you can't uh know it.
Speaker 1: It was a culture, a country that trusts itself, that
Speaker 1: has freedom. You know, you open it up and you
Speaker 1: you let people see and experience your country, and you
Speaker 1: believe that your system is really legitimately better. Evil countries
Speaker 1: like North Korea are going to try to clamp down
Speaker 1: because they they're corrupt, they're criminals. Um. So the good
Speaker 1: news is that people of North Korea are learning about
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, and they're learning about their
Speaker 1: cousins over in the South. Um. And that could be
Speaker 1: a positive development that in time leads to some sort
Speaker 1: of um, some sort of change revision. Yeah, some sort
Speaker 1: of change. Yeah. I think that's that seems more more
Speaker 1: more possible or you know, supportable than you know, nuclear war.
Speaker 1: That's that could happen. Yeah, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: And the other interesting thing too is people have asked,
Speaker 1: you know, well, why why is America still in South
Speaker 1: Korea and in a situation where today we partly thanks
Speaker 1: to the United States, partly because of the perseverance of
Speaker 1: the South Korean people we have gotten their military to
Speaker 1: the point where they can defend themselves. They can fight
Speaker 1: their own fight. They don't need America. But without American help,
Speaker 1: the costs are going to be much higher. Their country
Speaker 1: will again be wrecked, Whereas if the United States is
Speaker 1: there and helps and participates, the damage won't be as extensive.
Speaker 1: It'll still be extensive, but it won't be as bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be. There's also the element of moral support too.
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the things that you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's de turrence, it is de turrets. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the North Koreans know if they invade, they're not just
Speaker 1: going to be facing South Korea. They're gonna be facing
Speaker 1: the United States. Big guy, you might kick our ass
Speaker 1: in the first twelve hours, but there's carrier groups coming.
Speaker 1: You're gonna yeah, funk with the second I d and
Speaker 1: do something like that, it's we're gonna crush that. They
Speaker 1: know they will be get out of the way, they
Speaker 1: will be facing Americans. Yeah. And that's an interesting thing
Speaker 1: too that I inquired about, was if with China get
Speaker 1: involved and the prevailing wisdom, I guess you could say,
Speaker 1: and this is partly based off of our talks, you know,
Speaker 1: back channel communitycations also with the Chinese, is that if
Speaker 1: the North Koreans instigate the war, they start the Chinese.
Speaker 1: That's the vibe. I mean, I'm nobody, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think that's what would happen, because again, there's
Speaker 1: nothing in it for them to not do that. There's
Speaker 1: also some thought that if if they did instigate the war,
Speaker 1: if the North did that, the country that North Korea
Speaker 1: may end up being divided between the Chinese and the
Speaker 1: South Koreans. That's interesting. A number of different scenarios could
Speaker 1: play out, and I don't think I'm qualified to say
Speaker 1: we're a couple of oldest guys spitballing it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: just to our reset for the people watching on Facebook Live,
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Speaker 1: in chief of Soft Rep Green Beret Army Ranger Jack
Speaker 1: Murphy and Green Beret Mattress Sergeant Terry shapherd Uh. Back
Speaker 1: to what we were saying, though, so this this series
Speaker 1: of articles that you're writing. I noticed these were coming
Speaker 1: out while you were in South Korea. Did you do
Speaker 1: a lot of this research prior to going and then
Speaker 1: just put all these out? Yes, I was not doing
Speaker 1: that research while I was in the Philippines, and while
Speaker 1: I was in South Korea. I'd have been pretty impressive,
Speaker 1: you did, I do sleep once in a while, I
Speaker 1: have been pretty impressively. You know that that article took
Speaker 1: a really long time to write. It took months and uh,
Speaker 1: but then I had a twenty page article and I said,
Speaker 1: you know what this will give some you guys can
Speaker 1: run this while I'm abroad, so you know, while I'm
Speaker 1: not around that I'm not writing, you have something that
Speaker 1: you can use well while we're hitting that because I
Speaker 1: know we're probably getting close to being on top. We
Speaker 1: talked a little bit before we started. We've talked quite
Speaker 1: a bit about Korea obviously, quick, uh, give us a
Speaker 1: quick right thing about the Philippines. What do you think
Speaker 1: with you tourte and what's what's the vibe with us
Speaker 1: with them? Where do you think that's going a big
Speaker 1: dumb question, But yeah, so the vibe, um, I would
Speaker 1: say overall positive ya UM do turt thing is one issue.
Speaker 1: But I would put it this way that the times
Speaker 1: between the United States and the Philippines are incredibly incredibly strung.
Speaker 1: Dis likes Trump despite the rhetoric, despite the rhetoric from
Speaker 1: the President of the Philippines saying you know this and
Speaker 1: that about America UM, or even our own president UM
Speaker 1: saying bombastic things. Yes, it does look like the two
Speaker 1: of them maybe working together. Also, like Trump, it's a
Speaker 1: little schizophrenics. So one day he's on a Chinese warship
Speaker 1: shaking hands. The next day he's on a Russian warship.
Speaker 1: But then I'm cruising around the country. I'm meeting First
Speaker 1: Special Forces Group guys. I'm meeting guys from Seal Team seven.
Speaker 1: I'm running into Marsak guys in some remote market on
Speaker 1: an island. So we are there, We're there, UM, and
Speaker 1: the the institutional UM relationships between our two countries are
Speaker 1: so strong and have been there for so long. Like
Speaker 1: the Filipino Military Academy is modeled off of West Point UH.
Speaker 1: So many Filipino officers I met had been to UM
Speaker 1: done their pro postgraduate war school where the US in
Speaker 1: the US UM I met guys who have been to
Speaker 1: the Ranger school at Philip Benet remember those. I met
Speaker 1: guys who graduated from the Q course Stantup Bregg. I
Speaker 1: met guys who had been trained by green Berets in country. Um,
Speaker 1: so many, all these sorts of liaisons and relationships. So
Speaker 1: I don't think that our relationship with the Philippines is
Speaker 1: necessarily endangered. No, how did you get that thing? And
Speaker 1: I think you know that that's a relationship worth cultivating.
Speaker 1: I have to continue to cultivate it. Also, that's another
Speaker 1: thing we can just push China away from. Yeah, they're good,
Speaker 1: they're good people. You're right, Um. Pragmatically, strategically. Um, that's
Speaker 1: another area that we're in the South China Sea and
Speaker 1: that we need to We need to check the Chinese
Speaker 1: aggression and sounds China see and the Philippines are could
Speaker 1: be a part of that. That the Philippine people, the
Speaker 1: people I interviewed, at least they feel that China is
Speaker 1: bullying them. You'll note that the Hague ruled on on
Speaker 1: favor of the Philippines, saying that yes, this the Scarborough Shoal,
Speaker 1: the Spratley Islands, that's Filippino sovereign territory. The Chinese should
Speaker 1: not be doing that. Um. So they feel that they're
Speaker 1: being bullied by the Chinese. Then they believe that the
Speaker 1: you know, they're realistic. Yeah, the Philippines isn't gonna win
Speaker 1: in a war with China. If they did do something
Speaker 1: to us, we would let them into the country and
Speaker 1: then go like VC style guerrilla war on them. Um.
Speaker 1: But they so they're looking for diplomatic options. Um So.
Speaker 1: I think that's the general vibe there. Another larger trend
Speaker 1: I was seeing was that the the Philippine government needs
Speaker 1: some work with um maintenance maintenance of equipment. So they
Speaker 1: procure equipment from America and elsewhere, but they don't maintain it.
Speaker 1: So that's that happens a lot of places. That's a
Speaker 1: real problem. Yeah, we've been without constant American engagement. The
Speaker 1: ship breaks whose starts breaking down, the helicopters, the night vision,
Speaker 1: the rifles, all that cool guy gear we give them.
Speaker 1: So that's something that UM. I hope that they can
Speaker 1: improve and maybe we can help them improve through some
Speaker 1: logistics work. Um. And then the other trend would be, uh,
Speaker 1: there is a movement to create a so calm organization
Speaker 1: In the Philippines they have an organization called so Calm,
Speaker 1: but unlike ours, it is a so Calm for their army,
Speaker 1: so that white for all the branches, White Reaction Regiment, U,
Speaker 1: Scout Rangers, special Forces, just the army units. UM doesn't
Speaker 1: include NAVSAG, doesn't include MARSAG as of now, so they're
Speaker 1: working to do that. And likewise in Korea they don't
Speaker 1: have a so Calm, and they're working on the idea
Speaker 1: has been planted and they're trying to work on that
Speaker 1: and both of those countries to actually get that established.
Speaker 1: There you go, Jack murfree back from Asia. Last question.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask Jack because I saw that in our
Speaker 1: little private writer's group. You have some pictures of the
Speaker 1: of the food there. So how's the cuisine? And in
Speaker 1: both South Korea and the Philippines, I saw like a
Speaker 1: pig roast, right, the food is awesome. Yeah, the pig roast.
Speaker 1: They do it over a spit in the Philippines and
Speaker 1: then they like cut it into like little squares so
Speaker 1: you take the skin in the meeting. Amazing. The food
Speaker 1: was amazing. Um. Korea is very good too. I found
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting restaurants over there. I wanted to eat
Speaker 1: the live octopus. I didn't get the chance though, you
Speaker 1: know where they cut it and then the tentacles are squirming.
Speaker 1: And the Kim She was great. I love the Kim She.
Speaker 1: I always think of Kim She is more of a well,
Speaker 1: I guess it is all of Korea. Yeah, that's true,
Speaker 1: because I love Korean food. I don't know why I'm
Speaker 1: thinking North Korean South greates Probably the same quisine, Yeah, ain't.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to hang out with Kim John. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, No, food was great. The Philippines is a
Speaker 1: is a blast. The Philippines has a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a wild West kind of climate to it. And
Speaker 1: I and the people there, I think like culturally I
Speaker 1: could drive with them pretty easily, you know, understand them. Um.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I was hanging out with the soldiers
Speaker 1: so much and you kind of have that in common. Um.
Speaker 1: South Korea is like a true East Asian powerhouse country. Um, totally.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to me. This was really my first
Speaker 1: time traveling around Asia. You know, I've spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in Europe, Middle East, spent some time in
Speaker 1: South America, a lot of time in Central America. Sometime
Speaker 1: in uh in Africa. This is my first time really
Speaker 1: being in Asia, and it's just interesting walking around um
Speaker 1: South Korea in a place that is, this is a
Speaker 1: totally different culture. I've never been to Asia at all.
Speaker 1: That's something that uh, that's something also that the American
Speaker 1: Special Forces guys need to understand, because I heard some
Speaker 1: complaints from the Filipinos. They're like, listen, we're not Afghans,
Speaker 1: We're not ab you don't come here from Afghanistan talking
Speaker 1: to us. Like where I thinking we're yeah, calling us
Speaker 1: haji and all that. Yeah, I thinking we're illiterate dirt farmers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's interesting that actually, you know, I would think that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's because the first Group guys have been
Speaker 1: away from there. Maybe. I mean, I'm not a first
Speaker 1: group guy, but you know, if everyone's been over in
Speaker 1: the sandbox in some some capacity, so I mean that's
Speaker 1: always been first group's responsibility. So yeah, you gotta remember man,
Speaker 1: that you know, they're not the same. Yeah, these guys
Speaker 1: have been in there good in the woods, you know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them have more trigger time in
Speaker 1: the field than a lot of young green But I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that those guys have done the real
Speaker 1: thing for a long time, so don't insult them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean doing like stuff we don't do anymore, like
Speaker 1: small old school field craft stuff, ambushes raise right, that
Speaker 1: tactical um and and at times up to entire battalion
Speaker 1: level movement to contact through the jungle where the battalion
Speaker 1: HQ is in the field. And if people don't know
Speaker 1: this that are listening, the jungle sucks. It's awful. I
Speaker 1: think that's probably my least favorite place on Earth to operate.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, man, I just it just
Speaker 1: crushes me. I mean I never was in group there,
Speaker 1: but I went to you know, j OTC is is
Speaker 1: Jungle Jungle Training Corps s down in Fort Sherman. There
Speaker 1: was a recall JRTC but Panama and Panama and it
Speaker 1: was dude, I was like, this is awful. It's awful.
Speaker 1: It's awful. And because everything is, everything in the jungle
Speaker 1: just seems like it's there to kick your ass. You know,
Speaker 1: my buddy John Hudson, who was in that show with me, Dude,
Speaker 1: you're screwed. He's one of the chiefs here, instructors out
Speaker 1: for the for the Brits. He's great one of the
Speaker 1: best dudes I know. He's the guy who kind of
Speaker 1: just went off the reservation during his episode where he
Speaker 1: didn't even try with his challenge. Oh no, that was
Speaker 1: a different guy because I thought British. It was a British. No. No,
Speaker 1: he don't know. John would never go off the reservation.
Speaker 1: I don't think. Uh. The guy's like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: enjoy myself. That was Tom Moore. Yeah, yeah, No. John
Speaker 1: Hudson is the dude you want to have with you
Speaker 1: if things go bad. He's actually written some of their
Speaker 1: manuals and he was telling me because they he's you know,
Speaker 1: the Brits are in there, in there in Brunei and
Speaker 1: they go to all the other places. Believes he was
Speaker 1: just inn believes not that long ago exactly. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: still they still do stuff there. Yeah, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: He said. He was there definitely Brunei and he's all
Speaker 1: the jungle places and I said, I hate the jungle
Speaker 1: and he's like, he's cool. He's like, no, I love it, mate.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, it's it's like the jungle is
Speaker 1: one big grocery store. The problem is you don't know
Speaker 1: what any of the labels are. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's fine. When I go to seven leven, I
Speaker 1: want a hot dog and I don't want to guess so,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a place that's got a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that could kill you, and there's water everywhere you
Speaker 1: can't drink it. You know, It's like, it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things. I don't know why, dude, I I
Speaker 1: hate the jungle with dude, you're screwed. I'll stn't always
Speaker 1: remember Jake's wig Navy seal. So it started. They gave him,
Speaker 1: I think a can of tuna fish right with his
Speaker 1: stuff that he needed, and he was like, I don't
Speaker 1: need fish, screw this, and he just got rid of it.
Speaker 1: He had I guess what that was me because I
Speaker 1: knew he didn't like seafood. He and by the way,
Speaker 1: he grew up on the Northwest coast in the United States.
Speaker 1: He's from Washington State. He goes, man, I hate fish,
Speaker 1: and he talked because man, I hate fish. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: when we go to Iceland, we gave him the Teddy
Speaker 1: bear you know, which he used, which was he used
Speaker 1: pretty effectively, this big huge table bear I gave him.
Speaker 1: We all kind of give each other some things like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm giving Jake some for it's like the
Speaker 1: national disc of Iceland. I forget the name of it
Speaker 1: in Icelandic, but it's fermented shark and it's smells what
Speaker 1: it was. It was a dude, It was in a
Speaker 1: glass jar. I opened up and said, guys, time out.
Speaker 1: Open up and everyone's like, oh my god. Everybody goes
Speaker 1: away so gross. But I was like, this is clean protein,
Speaker 1: it's calories. Let's just see. And you know it right
Speaker 1: off the bat. When he started his survival stuff, He's like, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna eat that. You didn't need it, and
Speaker 1: then didn't towards the towards the end, I believe he
Speaker 1: was like, man, I should have kept that. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't turn down food ever. Ever, we know that in
Speaker 1: the Army. To man, when you you never turned down child,
Speaker 1: because you a couple of days go by, you're like, man,
Speaker 1: that that actually was probably would have been a good
Speaker 1: thing to have. Well, you're talking about the Korean cuisine, man,
Speaker 1: that I'm I wish I could try it, just because
Speaker 1: people watching this from all around the world, if to realize,
Speaker 1: like we're in a part of New York that's a
Speaker 1: few blocks from Kay Town, which is all Korean food
Speaker 1: right by Penn Station. I grew up on Long Island
Speaker 1: next to Flushing Queens, which if you want to eat
Speaker 1: Korean food, it's like my favorite. If you want to
Speaker 1: eat good Filipino food, I believe it's on First Half
Speaker 1: and there's a restaurant called Jitney's Filipino Place. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: my friend took me there once and he uh he
Speaker 1: made me eat the ballut. I will I would watch that.
Speaker 1: I will not know you don't want to eat that.
Speaker 1: I will not eat that. It was I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: it was the first two thirds of it were very good,
Speaker 1: actually delicious, but then I got to the crunchy stuff
Speaker 1: at the bottom. I'm not eating that exactly. It's fertilized
Speaker 1: chicken egg and they're they're fermented. I'm not eating it now.
Speaker 1: But now, if you gave that to me and do
Speaker 1: your screw, I might not eat it the first day.
Speaker 1: I might not eat it the second day, but I
Speaker 1: probably chugged that ship down the third day, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's but like just
Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, I guess if you're there,
Speaker 1: that's nothing too. Yeah. Yeah, and and and you know
Speaker 1: we also have to a special Forces guys. We have
Speaker 1: to eat. You got to eat what what? What's there?
Speaker 1: Really in a way because you kind of can insult people,
Speaker 1: so like, you know, when the right when they put
Speaker 1: food out, you can't go I'm just I'm a vegan,
Speaker 1: or like he can't say like I don't eat that
Speaker 1: because that's kind of that's pretty insulting to them. So
Speaker 1: you just gotta eat it. I'm so glad I never
Speaker 1: had to eat ballut the only time I nevergot Actually,
Speaker 1: they actually sell that ship in restaurants here. Yeah, oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you go there. The only time I got
Speaker 1: really sick, I think eating the food was in Africa,
Speaker 1: and I think it's because the plate of food they
Speaker 1: gave us was old. Yeah. I think I've been sitting
Speaker 1: out a couple of days and they're like, this is
Speaker 1: we have and you got sick? Yeah, me and another
Speaker 1: guy who ate it, we both got pretty sick for
Speaker 1: a couple of days. You're gonna get sick if you
Speaker 1: do what we do. We had the first squirts going out.
Speaker 1: It's awful too. It's awful. So I guess that about
Speaker 1: wraps it up. We're off to celebrate the release of
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Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, you sell software shirts, and
Speaker 1: I feel like we never mentioned it. To be honest,
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Speaker 1: I honestly don't just say that I wear them all
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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they're saying I say that those guys
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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. There's seals. Oh eaight, Jack works for them.
Speaker 1: It's a cool shirt. It's a software is on time,
Speaker 1: on target is badass. Yeah. I gave out a lot
Speaker 1: of them in the Philippines. I'm not gonna lie, man.
Speaker 1: I know that the show is growing because of you've
Speaker 1: had this happening. I walked out of the studio the
Speaker 1: other day. I'm talking to my dad on the phone sometimes,
Speaker 1: like Ian Scotto, I listen to the show all the time.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. So yeah, it's it's cool. It's good to
Speaker 1: know that more people are listening. And it's a it's
Speaker 1: a great cross section of people like me who are civilians,
Speaker 1: guys like you who are former military, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the times younger kids who are like I want
Speaker 1: to be a Green Beret, I want to be in
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Speaker 1: weird because in my mind when I think about Soft
Speaker 1: Rep Radio, I think, who knows about Soft Rep Radio? Me?
Speaker 1: Ian Terry, Like it's psychologically it doesn't really sink in
Speaker 1: that there's like thousands of people that listen to this.
Speaker 1: That's cool, And you're right, I never thought about it.
Speaker 1: It is a good recruiting tool because you get to
Speaker 1: listen to dudes who have done it, you know, and
Speaker 1: and and I think a lot of times I I
Speaker 1: you know, there, you guys are realistic about what we do,
Speaker 1: and and and it's not you know, painting it with
Speaker 1: always a happy face. It is what it is, you know,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of I think. I think I think
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Speaker 1: I got I get it. There's gonna be some bad
Speaker 1: ship coming, but it's worth it. Well, Terry, thanks for
Speaker 1: coming in making appearance. It's good to see you again
Speaker 1: because it's been a little bit. I'm happy to be home.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. Jack Murphy, I'm gonna be seeing
Speaker 1: a lot more of you now now that we're doing
Speaker 1: two shows a week. Um. Yeah, anything else before we
Speaker 1: get out of here, anything else you're plugging. I know
Speaker 1: you have, you know, your Deckard novels, and I think
Speaker 1: we pretty much covered all of it for this week. Yeah.
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