Speaker 1: H ah beautiful. If it doesn't work, you're just not
Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to software radio, special operations, military
Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys in the community,
Speaker 1: Army ranger and Green Beret Jack Murphy Lasagna. Don't get
Speaker 1: any on your Marine Scouts sniper Jason Delgado is just
Speaker 1: something we believe it. I associate that with taste, but
Speaker 1: I like freaking chocolate chi May Why is it flavor boring?
Speaker 1: The whole Lively board And now here's your co host
Speaker 1: and producer of this operation, Ian Scott Lee softrep dot
Speaker 1: Com on Time on Target episode three ten and voices
Speaker 1: on with me that you guys haven't heard from in
Speaker 1: in a few months. I believe it could be right.
Speaker 1: It's been a little it's been a little time. The
Speaker 1: legend himself, Jim West, thanks for having me, oh anytime,
Speaker 1: I mean, And with your interview in Lois car mouch
Speaker 1: uh UFC fighter former marine, who better to have so
Speaker 1: I figured we'd have Jim in here. It's definitely been
Speaker 1: too long, and you're fresh off of your street fighting
Speaker 1: class and seminar that you did for Create club members. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really awesome. On I like the idea of
Speaker 1: stepping into a crowd of people that you don't know
Speaker 1: and uh, presenting real world street fighting scenarios and concepts
Speaker 1: and strategies. But I always believe there was one or
Speaker 1: two guys right that are gonna try to troubleshoot you
Speaker 1: a little bit or well my experience, you know, something
Speaker 1: different to just show off. And I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: no matter what was in these guys minds when they
Speaker 1: shoot showed up and maybe that was never there, but
Speaker 1: this is an awesome group of people that were really
Speaker 1: getting uh. I mean, the engagement level on a scale
Speaker 1: of one to ten was about a we We really
Speaker 1: got into it both ways. People. You know, I got
Speaker 1: hit in the head by one of the guys. I
Speaker 1: thought that was awesome. Uh, you know, only you would
Speaker 1: say I think that was awesome. It was, And uh,
Speaker 1: it was such a good crowd of people, and I
Speaker 1: think that the message was received to a point where
Speaker 1: I'm getting in contacted now by members that showed up
Speaker 1: from the Great Club that actually want to invite me
Speaker 1: out to train people from the office and neighborhoods and
Speaker 1: you know, something similar but a little bit more hands on.
Speaker 1: And so I'm stout, so we're actually setting a tentative
Speaker 1: date for January seven from my first trip out to
Speaker 1: go train anywhere from fifty guys. Nice. Yes, So that's
Speaker 1: just more incentive to become a member of Create Club
Speaker 1: if you haven't already. It's Create Club dot Us and
Speaker 1: these are like member exclusive events we're doing. And I
Speaker 1: assume we'll do different stuff in the future and in
Speaker 1: different places, because I mean, we have a presence all
Speaker 1: over the country really sometimes in Oregon, so maybe at
Speaker 1: some point we'll do something there, you know. For example,
Speaker 1: they just premiered the Big Mountain Heroes movie there, so
Speaker 1: we're trying to have events there. There's there's a presence
Speaker 1: in the whole California area, the San Diego area, um,
Speaker 1: so hopefully we'll do stuff there in the future and
Speaker 1: just keep expanding and you know, doing interesting stuff like
Speaker 1: this and and maybe more fight seminars for Create Club members.
Speaker 1: So if you haven't joined, it's great Club dot Us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome. I even was contacted by
Speaker 1: one of the individuals everyone shall remain nameless, but about
Speaker 1: uh so I gave him a bio because they want
Speaker 1: to try to get me on a Ted talks and
Speaker 1: which would be amazing. That's launched a lot of careers
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. I don't do a lot, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm pretty laid back, but I would do
Speaker 1: that in two seconds. Why not? Why not? I mean
Speaker 1: that would probably do awesome things for your career, and
Speaker 1: and I think you'd be great at it. Um what So,
Speaker 1: what else have you you've been up to since we
Speaker 1: last heard from you? Toward work? Uh? You know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of strange. Uh, My son moved he would he
Speaker 1: graduated high school last June, moved in with me. He
Speaker 1: lived with his mother where you know, been apart for
Speaker 1: many many years. Uh, and for ever since he was
Speaker 1: four months old. I used to travel every weekend or
Speaker 1: every other weekend just to spend time with him. So,
Speaker 1: you know, your life, you work all week and you're traveling,
Speaker 1: you know, putting a thousand miles a weekend on your car.
Speaker 1: You can't keep a car for more than two years.
Speaker 1: You're always busy. You have no real other life except
Speaker 1: for work, and and that which is I think your
Speaker 1: children and the example that you are become for them,
Speaker 1: you know, is more important than anything. So then he
Speaker 1: moved here with me, and I got him a job.
Speaker 1: He was working with the local labor union in the
Speaker 1: local seventy nine. He was getting up at four o'clock training, exercising,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a dream. I always had
Speaker 1: to have my kids with me, right, So he just
Speaker 1: joined air Force and took off two weeks ago. And
Speaker 1: you've been talking about that, but it's got to be
Speaker 1: something surreal when it really happens and he's no longer there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not just not being there. But they make
Speaker 1: a phone call when they first arrive, you know, can
Speaker 1: they fly him out to Lackling Air Force Base for
Speaker 1: their basic training and I'm here, I'm okay. And then
Speaker 1: their next phone call comes at the end of four weeks,
Speaker 1: so they take away all the electronics and he doesn't
Speaker 1: even get a Christmas or visitors, which I get it,
Speaker 1: but being the dad that I've always been, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, holy crap, he's really gone. He's really grown up.
Speaker 1: So so I know he's gonna do well. And so
Speaker 1: he has phone call just before he uh locked down.
Speaker 1: He called me up. He said, Dad, you know we're here.
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about me, and you know
Speaker 1: we can always I think we overuse I love you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I hear that so much. I'm not excited
Speaker 1: about it, right, I'd rather hear something that's real, because
Speaker 1: you know me Ian, when I talk, it's pretty real
Speaker 1: and probably Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm going back to
Speaker 1: the speech that you gave it Jack's wedding. That was
Speaker 1: a very real speech. I'm glad that you remember that.
Speaker 1: That's it was great. Yeah. So you know, I guess
Speaker 1: the chip off the old block. You know, he didn't
Speaker 1: get all his looks for me. He got a better
Speaker 1: better looks from his mom, but he did get a
Speaker 1: lot of dad. But it was really cool. Instead of
Speaker 1: saying I love you, I miss you, write letters or whatever,
Speaker 1: he says, Dad, don't worry about a thing. Man, I
Speaker 1: got this, he says. I just want to thank you
Speaker 1: for preparing me. And I'm like, wow, and for me
Speaker 1: that I don't hear, I don't need to ever hear
Speaker 1: anything else. You know. That's that's getting to the mountaintop, right.
Speaker 1: So did you initially ask him y Air Force as
Speaker 1: an RVY guy. No. I pushed him to the Air
Speaker 1: Force for the last two years. Uh, He's always wanted
Speaker 1: to be you know, he comes from a long lineage
Speaker 1: of special forces. Uh you your brother right, me, My brothers,
Speaker 1: my cousins. His grandfather from his mother's side was you
Speaker 1: know mc v uh uh s o G in Vietnam
Speaker 1: and he was highly decorated. He's passed away. So he
Speaker 1: just comes from a long lineage of that. And I
Speaker 1: want to be like you, dad when I grow up.
Speaker 1: And I've always had this argument, UH call you know,
Speaker 1: he calls himself Frank. I call him Richard. Uh So
Speaker 1: I always said, no, I don't want you to be
Speaker 1: like me. You know, all these parents that I want
Speaker 1: my son and my daughter to be like me. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be like him, you know. So if you
Speaker 1: want to be a special ops guys, you know, Air Force, Navy, Marines, Army,
Speaker 1: they all had their own brand of special life and
Speaker 1: they all got to pay heavy physical and mental price,
Speaker 1: you know, to get on board. On Boarding is always tough.
Speaker 1: It's meant to be. I wanted to buy a little time.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go out there, you know, put
Speaker 1: itself through all this mess and lay in the dirt,
Speaker 1: in the mud, in the jungle, in the sand, especially
Speaker 1: in the desert, because you know, they've got seven million
Speaker 1: land mines over there that the people that put them
Speaker 1: down half of them are alive and the rest of
Speaker 1: them don't know where they are suicide bombers. As as
Speaker 1: my other kid. And you know, I had another son
Speaker 1: that was murdered almost fifteen years ago. So I want
Speaker 1: him to get off to a safe and smart, you
Speaker 1: know start. And you know, every war that I've ever
Speaker 1: been in is like when I went to Desert Storm.
Speaker 1: During Desert Shield four seven, it felt like a little earthquake,
Speaker 1: tremors all the time because the air force is conditioned
Speaker 1: in the battlefield. They're bombing the mess out of these
Speaker 1: guys all day and all night long, just prepping the battlefield.
Speaker 1: So when we reached the you know, when we launched
Speaker 1: through the breach points, we could pretty much just move
Speaker 1: straight through with little resistance. I was just bombing the
Speaker 1: mess out of him. And I told my son I
Speaker 1: was before we joins it. Look, it was the final argument.
Speaker 1: So if you want to kill guys and be like
Speaker 1: you know, fly freaking drone, sit in Las Vegas, you know,
Speaker 1: go out and do you know five you missions make
Speaker 1: itself feel good. Go out and have a few adult
Speaker 1: beverages and chase women. I said, you know, and and
Speaker 1: take your time to get in shape and really make
Speaker 1: sure that the special ops is what you want, you know,
Speaker 1: but be yourself first. And that's you know, any parent
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, we are our own legacy. Why
Speaker 1: why don't want our kids to live our life? It
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense to mean they should be whatever
Speaker 1: they're good at, you know. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's good at, but he's a great kids. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very true. You think future soccer up guest once
Speaker 1: he comes to and visits home. Absolutely, he'd be cool
Speaker 1: to have on. I've never met him. I mean I've
Speaker 1: hung with you countless times, but I've never met him.
Speaker 1: He's a very cool kid, and he's manual. Dexterity with
Speaker 1: knives and stuff is off the Richter scale because I've
Speaker 1: been training him since he was very young. So but
Speaker 1: you've told me, you know, you've said it on the show.
Speaker 1: His personality type is not like you. He's not on edge.
Speaker 1: He's not quick to get into a fight with someone
Speaker 1: or no, he's just very cool, engaging, laid back, smart.
Speaker 1: Just he doesn't get excited. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: he gets mad or not, and which to be fair,
Speaker 1: if you know, I don't know the old Gym West,
Speaker 1: and I feel like the guy that I know is
Speaker 1: not some crazy aggressive guy. You know, you can be
Speaker 1: if you have to be, But I think you're you're
Speaker 1: a pretty laid back guy at this stage in your life.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, you know, you ever see the
Speaker 1: picture of the duck floating across the waterlo Fee just
Speaker 1: paddling like crazy underneath. Sure, I think guys like me
Speaker 1: that you know battle PTSD and you know, I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of tragedy and it's been in the mix
Speaker 1: most of his life, you know, in and out of
Speaker 1: the military. You know, every day it's it is a
Speaker 1: challenge just to get up and say, uh, please, don't
Speaker 1: let me get in trouble. Because the truth is, I
Speaker 1: think we are who we are. You know, you ever
Speaker 1: watched that movie The Purge? No, I've heard of it.
Speaker 1: You know they go out once a year or once
Speaker 1: a month and they get to the riff raff. Now
Speaker 1: you know, there's always riff raff. And I used to
Speaker 1: joke before that movie ever came out, because I get
Speaker 1: really angry. I'm like, which had one day a year
Speaker 1: where we just go out and get rid of this trash,
Speaker 1: you know, because sometimes there's just some people out there.
Speaker 1: You know, every time you turn on the TV, they're mugging.
Speaker 1: I mean, just this morning, some guys mugging ninety five
Speaker 1: year old ladies on you know, an apartment. I mean,
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? That's trash. I don't care
Speaker 1: if he's white, if he's black, it's great. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make a ship to me. Excuse my language, radio if
Speaker 1: if you have to watch your language. We were in
Speaker 1: big trouble. So he's a perfect candidate for an axe
Speaker 1: handle across the shin. But waste your time, you know,
Speaker 1: putting him in jail. Really, I mean, you know, so
Speaker 1: when I get up every day, I get confronted. I
Speaker 1: mean I work around the union iron workers all time
Speaker 1: for IT and carpenters, and you know, just union trades
Speaker 1: are very prideful group of people, and you know, when
Speaker 1: you challenge him at work, sometimes it can get a
Speaker 1: little rough. And four and five or six, eight years ago,
Speaker 1: that's you know, I was in felt like it's in
Speaker 1: the battlefield. And we've worked through that now, you know,
Speaker 1: so that uh, you know, more collaborative, easier to get along.
Speaker 1: So during that process, you know, just is that constant,
Speaker 1: everyday battle of overcoming these aggressions anger that you have
Speaker 1: inside and anymore, I don't just get mad because look,
Speaker 1: I was driving down streating us uh Puerto Rican guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a gridlocked day. And he had
Speaker 1: a big brown van and he had a tattoo on
Speaker 1: his arm. He looked pretty strong. And he's about thirty
Speaker 1: five to forty and he's hanging out his window. He's
Speaker 1: trying to cut me off from the passenger side. He's
Speaker 1: giving me this evil look and we ain't moving anywhere,
Speaker 1: trying to get a link and tell us I rolled down,
Speaker 1: you know, electronically my passenger window and he's almost in
Speaker 1: there in the window now as I come on, dude,
Speaker 1: just get it out, tell tell me what's bug? You
Speaker 1: just just give me all you got. And he looked
Speaker 1: at me and smile. He goes. You know, you're pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're confident with your ability, you know,
Speaker 1: because when I was young, I was testing my abilities.
Speaker 1: Now I've been in enough scrapes throughout my life and
Speaker 1: then out of the ring and the gems that I
Speaker 1: know that no one on earth is unless you just
Speaker 1: sneak up and shoot me. And when I'm not looking, Uh,
Speaker 1: you're never gonna get in a fight with me, even
Speaker 1: if you want to lose without getting you know, marked
Speaker 1: up a little bit. So you know, I was never
Speaker 1: gonna be just a fun time. And with that in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind, knowing that I know what
Speaker 1: I know, I find some comfort and just being able
Speaker 1: to talk people down in a different way, you know,
Speaker 1: and it allows me to relax, just to become the guy.
Speaker 1: You know. Now. I couldn't find the quote, but I
Speaker 1: was googling a little there as you were talking, because, um,
Speaker 1: there was some Arnold Schwarzenegger quote about how people have
Speaker 1: become divorced from their bodies and when they're not doing
Speaker 1: something physical, they get cut off in traffic and it's
Speaker 1: you know that that um, you know, dopamine rush and
Speaker 1: all that, because they're not doing anything physical in their day.
Speaker 1: They're just sitting in their ass all day, like that's
Speaker 1: the big thing that sets them off the edge. So
Speaker 1: it reminded me of you saying that, um, because I
Speaker 1: think when someone is piste off at traffic, I see
Speaker 1: that they're not really piste off at that it's something
Speaker 1: else in their lives. I even notice it with the
Speaker 1: people who are constantly you know, the people who tweet
Speaker 1: me NonStop. Uh, there's a few of them about what's
Speaker 1: going on with Trump and their anger about everything. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're anger is necessarily a Trump. Their anger
Speaker 1: is about something else in their lives. And it's not
Speaker 1: even just the people. You know, it's it's important to
Speaker 1: be informed. Well, you let like politics eat you up inside.
Speaker 1: You're staying awake at night, you're tweeting out every article
Speaker 1: that you can find. I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: times that anger is something completely unrelated and you need
Speaker 1: to um, you need to channel that with something else.
Speaker 1: And and I'm not piste off my life. I'm pissed
Speaker 1: off and who the president is. And you know what, Well,
Speaker 1: the blame game is. Uh. You know, it's probably not
Speaker 1: gonna go away anytime soon. But with my son always
Speaker 1: telling him, I said, if you ever feel everything's very young,
Speaker 1: I said, look, if you ever feel mad and you
Speaker 1: want to know what you're mad about, go look at
Speaker 1: yourself in a mirror. Yeah, because ultimately it's your inability.
Speaker 1: You're you know, inconsistencies, you're lack of confidence to some
Speaker 1: part of you that you that you're placing judgment on
Speaker 1: yourself that's causing you to be frustrated to a point
Speaker 1: where you just want to release it, you know, on
Speaker 1: someone else. And and the saying that I used to
Speaker 1: I've heard that I kind of subscribe to now that
Speaker 1: he who makes you angry owns you. And there's also
Speaker 1: that quote I've heard before that it's like the uh,
Speaker 1: I don't I'm paraphrasing here, but it's like, the problem
Speaker 1: isn't the problem, it's the way that you're handling the problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because usually usually the things that we get
Speaker 1: upset about are pretty mind inner, but we, you know,
Speaker 1: the way that we handle it, it becomes this major issue.
Speaker 1: It's always that straw broke the camel's back. And I
Speaker 1: think people, you know, you relate to this more than anyone.
Speaker 1: Like I think when people are physically active, they're running,
Speaker 1: they're they're going to the gym, they're they're doing jiu jitsu,
Speaker 1: they're boxing, whatever, they're lifting weights, whatever it may be. Um,
Speaker 1: they're able to handle that everyday stress a lot better.
Speaker 1: So I had a friend of mine back in the
Speaker 1: seventies on the gym, and you know, the same group
Speaker 1: of people you're talking about. He had a pretty cool idea.
Speaker 1: Had these two big trash camps fit to five gallon drums,
Speaker 1: all nice and shining right outside the front door, with
Speaker 1: a sign over top says leave ego here. So you know,
Speaker 1: the Chinese mindset is this ego less mindset that allows
Speaker 1: you to relax and think your way through things. Uh.
Speaker 1: In the training aspect of self defense, street fighting, work
Speaker 1: fighting in a gym, you know, we use an old
Speaker 1: saying that says that learn a lot and use a little.
Speaker 1: You know, like, if you only have one thing to
Speaker 1: draw from under fire, you're gonna panic a lot quicker
Speaker 1: than the guy that's got options to draw from because
Speaker 1: your mind slows down while you select these options you have.
Speaker 1: You watch these movies where you know, a gunfight starts,
Speaker 1: everything kind of goes into slow motion. That's because the
Speaker 1: guy has got some training, some skill, and he's got
Speaker 1: a lot to draw from. So, you know, people that
Speaker 1: just do one or two things and think that that's
Speaker 1: the top of the pyramid, and then they get put
Speaker 1: under stress. I wrote a thing then, and I'll show
Speaker 1: you from my son and I and I put it
Speaker 1: in my wallet two months ago. Anyway, So what is that?
Speaker 1: It says you have to push yourself to know yourself,
Speaker 1: and he wrote that I did. I was talking to
Speaker 1: him about anger actually, and because he's just I said,
Speaker 1: things are gonna happen in your life, boy, that you
Speaker 1: know you gotta deal with right, And I said, and
Speaker 1: you don't. Don't way you ever get to deal with yourself. Remember,
Speaker 1: looking the mirror is to know yourself, and only you're
Speaker 1: gonna know yourself is to push yourself. I like that.
Speaker 1: I write it down, right, So I wrote that down
Speaker 1: and still sits there today. He said, well, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? I said, Listen, if you feel like you're
Speaker 1: angry or piste off, I don't care. If you're in
Speaker 1: the gym straight whatever, work, going to bathroom and do
Speaker 1: fifty push ups, and if you can do fifty five more,
Speaker 1: do ten more. Go out and run ten miles. If
Speaker 1: you can't run ten, run five and then run one more.
Speaker 1: I said, the moment you take yourself open me and
Speaker 1: this that to where you're physically at the edge of
Speaker 1: what you think you can do, and you do one more,
Speaker 1: two more, do that one more mile? Right, Psychologically, and
Speaker 1: it puts you into a mindset that just calms you down,
Speaker 1: because if you start looking inward at that point in time,
Speaker 1: and when you do that, everything else just seems easy.
Speaker 1: It helps you sleep better too, right, I've noticed that
Speaker 1: nothing helps me sleep. Really. I know you you have
Speaker 1: the TV on, but I could tell you last night
Speaker 1: I had remember I always remember, but I had all
Speaker 1: these thoughts going through my head. I always do of
Speaker 1: like all these plans I want to do, and even
Speaker 1: you know I don't. I don't get nervous about doing
Speaker 1: interviews because I do the so much, but like I
Speaker 1: don't write out questions in advance, but I'm constantly thinking, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Liz Carmuch on tomorrow, we gotta get into this. We
Speaker 1: gotta talk about this type of thing. So I I
Speaker 1: did a late night workout last night, and I figured
Speaker 1: when I got home, i'd have like all these thoughts.
Speaker 1: But by the time I was home and and just
Speaker 1: you know, eight, I actually ate a Canatuna did did
Speaker 1: my Bubs Naturals plug for them? He's come on the show, um,
Speaker 1: which money goes to Glenn Doherty Foundations. So I've been
Speaker 1: checking that out there stuff and I'm I'm into it.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. By the time I was done with all that,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm ready to pass out here.
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to think about anything else. So
Speaker 1: I think when you're doing like these strenuous workouts, at
Speaker 1: least for me, it helps me sleep. And no, it
Speaker 1: definitely does, you know, but you gotta have time to
Speaker 1: cool down to right, not just take all that exce
Speaker 1: synergy straight to bed. You'll never sleep. Sounds good. So
Speaker 1: I'll wrap myself out for the soft rep listeners today.
Speaker 1: Uh twenty years ago. So I've gotten a little street
Speaker 1: scuffle and the judge said I had to go to
Speaker 1: six months of anger management. So this could be a
Speaker 1: reality show. This is a reality So I go in
Speaker 1: there thinking, Okay, I'm the baddest guy on the planet.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can do all kinds of stuff. I've
Speaker 1: done all kinds of crap. These idiots in here, they
Speaker 1: don't know ship I'm sitting around a group therapy, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not good group therapy. So I gotta sit there
Speaker 1: for six months and I'm hating just breathing in this room.
Speaker 1: And so they have what they called the hot seat.
Speaker 1: So they grabbed somebody that's been there a while and says, okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to tell everybody what what brought you here?
Speaker 1: And so this well dressed Afro American fella sounded like
Speaker 1: an English literature major. He goes, so it was his turn.
Speaker 1: It was my first day. And then he had been
Speaker 1: there for whiles as well. You know, life has been
Speaker 1: a little rough. Uh my wife kind of set me
Speaker 1: off one night a few months ago. Uh, and so,
Speaker 1: so what what happened? And he explained, you know that
Speaker 1: she had signed the tile. Her mother had a gambling
Speaker 1: debt and was doing drugs, so she had signed the
Speaker 1: ded to his uh four hundred fifty thollar house over
Speaker 1: to she did to her mother, his mother in law,
Speaker 1: and when he found out about it, kind of flipped out.
Speaker 1: And so so, you know, so what happened when you
Speaker 1: when you flipped out, it goes apparently has a when
Speaker 1: you go through the four year in front of his
Speaker 1: house is a big glass front and the upperst floor
Speaker 1: has this big grand piano. He said, well, the first
Speaker 1: thing I got there was shoved the piano right through
Speaker 1: the front, through the front window from the second floor, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't even need to be here
Speaker 1: at all. I don't have an anger issue. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it happened to the grand piano. It was trash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted, like you think about here in the city.
Speaker 1: You do that, it's gonna land on someone. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lawsuit. Oh well yeah, my vision was it
Speaker 1: was in the city. But so yeah, and when I
Speaker 1: sat there and listen, and it was kind of funny,
Speaker 1: and there was one guy that I snooped out in
Speaker 1: the whole crowd was just wanting attention. He said he
Speaker 1: was an Air Force ranger and he was laden, it
Speaker 1: was a sniper and all this stuff. And I knew
Speaker 1: right away whatever it was it was lying. So then
Speaker 1: they got to see my anger because I picked him
Speaker 1: up by the throat and shove him in the wall
Speaker 1: and in the middle of Hangar Man. Yeah yea, they
Speaker 1: like they let him go for a minute, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's got line. But anyway, but now
Speaker 1: and and now you really, I don't think I have
Speaker 1: any anger issues from what I've seen. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't get mad. I use New York traffic to quail
Speaker 1: my anger. If you can just sit in New York
Speaker 1: traffic five days a week trying to get through the
Speaker 1: Lincoln Tunnel at five or six o'clock in afternoon. You
Speaker 1: can do anything. Yeah, So that's why I take the
Speaker 1: train for me from Long Island. I don't want to
Speaker 1: sit in that um all right, So really quick, I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about an article on soft rep dot
Speaker 1: com just because it had significance to when we're recording this, UM,
Speaker 1: tomorrow will be, but today is uh, you know, let
Speaker 1: me double check that right. Today's nine. Today is the nineteen,
Speaker 1: so it'll be tomorrow. Um. You know, you'll you'll hear
Speaker 1: about this. But Luke, one of our writers, Luke Ryan Newer,
Speaker 1: writer wrote and a copy editor. On December nineteenth, seventy two,
Speaker 1: a command module came careening back into Earth's atmosphere, deployed
Speaker 1: its parachutes, and landed in the Pacific Ocean at PM.
Speaker 1: The USS uh tick if I'm pronouncing this right? Tick
Speaker 1: tick on droga Okay, I gotta an Essex class aircraft
Speaker 1: carrier that has since been decommissioned and scrapped was located
Speaker 1: only four miles away, and they picked up the three
Speaker 1: astronauts safely, bringing them aboard. They had completed the final
Speaker 1: mission of the Apollo program, Apollo seventeen. So I just
Speaker 1: thought that was a cool, um noteworthy thing to mention
Speaker 1: on this day and as you were saying, you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully see more space missions. Yeah, oddly enough to my
Speaker 1: my stepfather, who adopted me at nine years old, served
Speaker 1: on the Taikondo Roga and the Korean conflict. Which it's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting that you just brought that up. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think two days ago I heard or yesterday maybe
Speaker 1: that Trump is you know, gonna beef up our space
Speaker 1: program once again and maybe send people back to the
Speaker 1: Moon and long term plans to send people to Mars.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's a great time. You know
Speaker 1: that it was a good article, good catch, you know,
Speaker 1: because most peopleouldn't even think about that. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: interesting when you see, um, how long it's been since
Speaker 1: we've planted someone on the moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll
Speaker 1: drive into politics, you know this. I get a little miffed.
Speaker 1: I do get miffed, right when I think about the
Speaker 1: progressive path that we've been on long before Obama and
Speaker 1: the Clintons, you know, back from Woodrow Wilson. Every time
Speaker 1: I drive over the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. I think you
Speaker 1: should rename it. Yeah. Um, it's got a guard tower
Speaker 1: that's unmanned. I figured that's gonna get manned one day
Speaker 1: because you know, if you listen to Obama enough, we're
Speaker 1: cutting down on this, but we're picking up on technology
Speaker 1: and it's just sucking money out of our taxpayers for bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean physical feed on the ground anywhere.
Speaker 1: It's just better then theory. Yeah, And I think there's
Speaker 1: always been um, you know, from what I've heard, this
Speaker 1: is one of those opinions people have had. It was
Speaker 1: that Bush was very good on the space program. Obama
Speaker 1: was not. Um. I've even heard people on the left
Speaker 1: say that. But there's always this argument about, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we have poverty in America, we have all these issues,
Speaker 1: why are we spending money on a space program. But
Speaker 1: I think technologically and and the benefits that can come
Speaker 1: out of it from the long term, it's important to
Speaker 1: have a good space program. And and also, like I
Speaker 1: hear about Elon Musk and SpaceX and all these things
Speaker 1: that they're doing. I think it's all great. And I'm
Speaker 1: a guy who believes in the private sector, but you
Speaker 1: do need the government to be behind a good space program.
Speaker 1: It can't all be done in the private sector. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean what I've been following recently is the laser technology, uh,
Speaker 1: the ability to shoot down hypothetically North Korean or I
Speaker 1: ran in a nuclear missile with a laser beam. That
Speaker 1: sounds like this the star Wars program that Reagan said,
Speaker 1: which we didn't really have, right, well, this is way
Speaker 1: beyond it. You can look it up online. It's that
Speaker 1: they don't have airborne platforms actually work already. It's pretty
Speaker 1: badass stuff, you know. So stuff like that it's very important,
Speaker 1: you know, to me. Um so when I saw Harry
Speaker 1: that Harry reads I recently siphoned off twenty two million
Speaker 1: dollars for UFO research. It's just another way to the
Speaker 1: elite group and the progressives to uh siphon more money
Speaker 1: out of the taxpayer. You know, are already is wrong?
Speaker 1: You know, yes, first space exploration not to Harry Read
Speaker 1: and is you know UFO research for twenty two million bucks.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if they come and land on the planet,
Speaker 1: we'll probably know about it pretty quick. Yeah, But they
Speaker 1: just put so much crap in these bills so they
Speaker 1: can just put money in their pocket. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: But anyway, UM so, I guess with that we might
Speaker 1: as well get over to wiz Car Mouch. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really excited for this um and hopefully we have a
Speaker 1: lot of new people listening who aren't familiar with what
Speaker 1: we do, because I know Liz has a lot of fans,
Speaker 1: and I always say there's a lot of crossover between
Speaker 1: m m A and the UFC and what we do,
Speaker 1: especially what you do, Jim. Yeah, so let's get over
Speaker 1: to it. So joining us for the first time on
Speaker 1: Software Radio is wiz Car Mooch. I actually interviewed Liz
Speaker 1: a while back for Serious x M. We did this
Speaker 1: Veteran special, and I was thinking, it's like a natural
Speaker 1: fit to have Liz on Software Radio, especially with you, Jim,
Speaker 1: with your background. Um so, it's it's an honor to
Speaker 1: have you on. Thank you for having me absolutely. So.
Speaker 1: The first thing I figured is the tie in with
Speaker 1: soft rep is that Wiz is a former marine. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody knows you from the UFC and what you've done
Speaker 1: in m m A and your training, but let's get
Speaker 1: into your background growing up and and becoming a marine.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Okanawa, Japan. This I spent about
Speaker 1: seventeen years of my life. Um, and you see the
Speaker 1: influences there. You see the different branches of the military.
Speaker 1: And not only did I went to school off base,
Speaker 1: but I worked on base, so I got to see
Speaker 1: and work with all the different branches and kind of
Speaker 1: see them from who they were, not only in their
Speaker 1: professional work environment but also on the when they're out
Speaker 1: in town and just enjoying themselves. And the Marine Corps
Speaker 1: really would always shine through for me. They were exemplary
Speaker 1: and everything that they did. Like if you had a
Speaker 1: marine they got in trouble drinking, somebody else snatched him up,
Speaker 1: took them back on base and you never saw an incident. Um,
Speaker 1: most physically fit, most professionals, everything that they embodied that
Speaker 1: I wanted to be, and seeing some of the other
Speaker 1: branches they're a little bit sloppier, wasn't really my deal, um.
Speaker 1: And I kind of had in my head to do
Speaker 1: do the military for a long time. I thought I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll join the Air Force and play soccer
Speaker 1: for the military, do something on those lines. And as
Speaker 1: I got to know the military more, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go to school that long to be
Speaker 1: an officer, so that's on an option. So Maraine Corps
Speaker 1: is definitely what sticks it out to me. And I
Speaker 1: wanted to go in as uh special forces or going
Speaker 1: as a grunt. That obviously didn't work out being a female.
Speaker 1: So I joined from Okanawa, Japan, went straight to Hawaii
Speaker 1: to maps from maps all the way to Preparas Island
Speaker 1: and the rest has in history. Yeah that sounds good.
Speaker 1: So well, I want to thank you for your service
Speaker 1: as well. And I did a quick uh Wikipedia searchs
Speaker 1: and you spent three tours already huh and I did.
Speaker 1: I did. That's freaking awesome. I got a good friend
Speaker 1: of mine who did the same thing you did. I
Speaker 1: spoke to him yesterday and he's, uh, my age, I'm
Speaker 1: in my sixties now, but he's sitting a one degree
Speaker 1: weather by his pool side down in Florida, so giving
Speaker 1: me ship but good guy. Uh So a couple of
Speaker 1: things real quick. You know, I used to train with
Speaker 1: Joe Lewis years ago and he's a former marine. He
Speaker 1: studied in Okinawa in nineteen, which shows how far back
Speaker 1: you yeah. Um, And when I went through the combat diver. Course. Uh,
Speaker 1: my die buddy was a Force Recon guy, and I
Speaker 1: got when when when Liz talks about physically fit, you know,
Speaker 1: when you think you're physically fit, the Marines have you know,
Speaker 1: you always hear about Navy and you've heard me say
Speaker 1: this before Navy seals and I and I'm one, you know,
Speaker 1: a Special Forces green breat combat diver. Right, I'm not
Speaker 1: a n C. I'm coming at every in the Special
Speaker 1: Forces community. But uh, and and then listen, not to
Speaker 1: take anything away from anybody, but these two guys that
Speaker 1: came in from the Force Recon were like physical freaks,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's pretty impressed. I thought I was the
Speaker 1: fastest guy on the planet until my partner showed up
Speaker 1: and there was a tug of war going through the
Speaker 1: water on a buddy buddy line. You know, so he
Speaker 1: is an animal. And I got nothing but nothing but
Speaker 1: mad respect for these guys and and you as well.
Speaker 1: Is because yeah, I know, I know for sure, Paris
Speaker 1: Islands not a cakewalk. No, especially it was my my
Speaker 1: first time really being state side. I spent a few
Speaker 1: summers in Alaska as a kid, but really Alaska isn't
Speaker 1: part of the unit. States. It's not even the same.
Speaker 1: It's his own embodiment off on its on its own.
Speaker 1: So it's my first being state side and really experiencing
Speaker 1: all the seasons. I went through August through November, so
Speaker 1: I got to experience the last part of the intense
Speaker 1: summer into winter climate with snow and stuff. And I
Speaker 1: never experienced snow so here I am. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is great, and of course like, oh, you can
Speaker 1: sleep under your blanket, but you have to wake up
Speaker 1: an hour early to make it. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I'll just sleep at attention on the top
Speaker 1: of my rack and just enjoyed sleep. It's not worth
Speaker 1: it all. Freeze. I'll take freezing. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a different different level of pridefulness with
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps, you know. H even I'm an army guy,
Speaker 1: I've always respected that, and my son just joined the
Speaker 1: Air Force and I respect that as well, you know.
Speaker 1: I just I appreciate anybody that serves and takes your time,
Speaker 1: you know, so thank you. And then uh, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as the fight game and having you on,
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool, uh. I. The guys I trained with
Speaker 1: through the years if you go back and look at
Speaker 1: the American karate stuff. I worked with Jerry Pennington and
Speaker 1: Danny Wilson, Joe Lewis, build Superfoot Wallace and Uh, all
Speaker 1: those guys. And it came out of the Joe Lewis
Speaker 1: UH and Bruce Lee and all that crowd. And two
Speaker 1: of two of those guys had degrees in kinesiology. And
Speaker 1: I saw that you're studying to get your degree in kinesiology.
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you all these fight principles and
Speaker 1: motion and how muscles were recoil and you know, single
Speaker 1: extremity motion and conservation of angular momentum. It came from
Speaker 1: people like you that actually study this mess. I've learned.
Speaker 1: You know, I have this amazing ability to uh absorb
Speaker 1: what you put out really quick because I just do
Speaker 1: it through repetition. But yes, it's what you're doing that
Speaker 1: path that's gonna set you apart in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that more and more, you're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of UFC fighters that have an education. I think,
Speaker 1: I know, especially for myself, when I first looked into fighting,
Speaker 1: it to me was street thugs. That we're doing it
Speaker 1: in front of people for for money. Is entertainment and
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how I thought about it. Um.
Speaker 1: But now more and more you see fighters that have
Speaker 1: PhD s, m d s. They have college education, and
Speaker 1: they're intelligent people. And we we study fighting because it's
Speaker 1: all encompassing. Um. I mean, I played soccer and the
Speaker 1: only thing you have to focus on is just being
Speaker 1: a good runner and being able to to do certain
Speaker 1: things with the soccer ball war as an m m A.
Speaker 1: It's chess. You have to understand your opponent. You have
Speaker 1: to understand your strengths or weaknesses, and study all of
Speaker 1: these different martial arts. And if you grow stagnant for
Speaker 1: a single second, you fall back in the game. And
Speaker 1: that's Me's a lot of fun. I like something that's
Speaker 1: constantly making me evolve and grow and pushing me to
Speaker 1: new the levels. Yeah, true enough. I told my son,
Speaker 1: who I've actually trained since he was very young, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when he'd see a street fight a thug,
Speaker 1: you know something, I'd always tell him his name is Richard,
Speaker 1: I said, Richard, listen to me. All these world champions, Uh,
Speaker 1: they they're interesting people that most of them are highly
Speaker 1: intellectual guys. Comedians and fighters are some of the smartest
Speaker 1: people in the world. And uh, you would never know
Speaker 1: that unless you said when I I used to travel
Speaker 1: with Joe Lewis and helped train him when he did
Speaker 1: his over forty comeback, And uh, he would sit there
Speaker 1: with a dictionary all day long and he would study
Speaker 1: to pick up three new words every day, write them,
Speaker 1: learn them, just on stop, you know, just constant study.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's cool. I'm glad you reckon. You want
Speaker 1: a few people actually talk about it. And and even
Speaker 1: because you realize that early, at least in my opinion,
Speaker 1: some of the guys are smart and they just got
Speaker 1: into it right. But it looks like you're you're going
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're never smart, but you're going through
Speaker 1: your Your path is one of the more logical paths
Speaker 1: and its and it's not easy. And I'll tell I'm
Speaker 1: really impressed by anybody takes that road. You know. Thank
Speaker 1: you so getting into your background with m M A. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that you did say early on
Speaker 1: that people looked at M M A Fighters as these
Speaker 1: street thugs, and and now we see where it is.
Speaker 1: I remember growing up because you're, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of years older than me. I remember the first UFC
Speaker 1: it was like this no holds barred type thing, and
Speaker 1: it was it was like scary for people to see.
Speaker 1: They didn't know what to expect this whole thing. And
Speaker 1: now it's become a lot more respected of his sport.
Speaker 1: But especially when you went in as a women's mm
Speaker 1: A fighter. There was no women's UFC. You were in
Speaker 1: the first women's UFC match. Of course, Like, what drives
Speaker 1: you to want to do this because it definitely wasn't
Speaker 1: anything at the time that people saw as a lucrative
Speaker 1: career as a woman. Yeah, the biggest driving factor for
Speaker 1: me was wanting that that challenge to be the best.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are certainly opportunities where you can make
Speaker 1: quick money go for these fights, and there's some local
Speaker 1: shows where I knew that skill wise, I had picked
Speaker 1: up a lot more than some of the people I
Speaker 1: would be facing. It would be an easy win. But
Speaker 1: to me, that's just basically being a bully. If you
Speaker 1: have the education, you have the skill in the strength,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go against somebody that doesn't just to win,
Speaker 1: that's that's just being a bully. There's no advantage. I
Speaker 1: don't come out of there going, Yeah, I want I
Speaker 1: feel so good about myself. Ago, yeah, I should have
Speaker 1: won because I have all these in my advantage. I
Speaker 1: better win this fight. And I always wanted to just
Speaker 1: compete against the best, whether it was lucrative or not,
Speaker 1: the idea of being the best in the world. I
Speaker 1: want to be the best. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: against easy wins, easy people words to guarantee. I want
Speaker 1: to know that I challenge myself to be the best
Speaker 1: person I could possibly be the best fighter. And then
Speaker 1: I'm going to get somebody that's doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: and that we get in there and on our best
Speaker 1: to days or worst of days, we put on a
Speaker 1: performance and give everything we have to see who's gonna
Speaker 1: come out on top. And that's always been the driving
Speaker 1: factor for fighting for me. When did your background in
Speaker 1: martial arts in general begin. I kind of dibbled out
Speaker 1: a little bit with different forms of when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, but the attention I had no attention span.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I want to be a rocket
Speaker 1: scientist today, Tomorrow I want to play soccer. The next
Speaker 1: day I want to get and there's no keeping up
Speaker 1: with me. I don't know how my mom ever did
Speaker 1: it because her deal was always had to be a balance.
Speaker 1: I could do any aggressive support of martial art, but
Speaker 1: I had to have a soft balance for it. So
Speaker 1: I did taekwondo for maybe a month, but I also
Speaker 1: had to do ballet for a month, So there's always
Speaker 1: something given a take with that, and uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: natural course in Okinawa, you see all those things. But
Speaker 1: I was always attracted to martial arts, but never had
Speaker 1: the attention to Spangana follow through with it. I ended
Speaker 1: up playing a team sports dog growing up mostly soccer,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't again until I was in the Marine
Speaker 1: Corps and about to get out and doing different work.
Speaker 1: I was just lifting and right, and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is so boring. I can I've already tested to see
Speaker 1: how jacked I can get, how much weight I can gain,
Speaker 1: how much I can max out, And then I wanted
Speaker 1: to see how thin I could get by just running
Speaker 1: all the time and just being a cross country runner,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of tested out both fields and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, that's not I don't feel challenged.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was able to do that. Both
Speaker 1: were easy, but I'm not really getting anything out of it.
Speaker 1: And a few people I worked with told me to
Speaker 1: check out M m A Like, look, you know your
Speaker 1: attention span, you're naturally aggressive, you're naturally competitive. Uh. Some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that we do for the training, the
Speaker 1: Marine Corps was always pushing to be the best of it, Like,
Speaker 1: you really should check out A m A. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about him A. I looked it up and
Speaker 1: the first fight I ever saw was gory, bloody. I
Speaker 1: was like, are you kidding me? This is it? It's
Speaker 1: you guys, No, Like this is just two street fighters.
Speaker 1: There would be blooding each other up. Just put inside
Speaker 1: is entertainment, Like, no, this is disgusting. I can't condone this.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you guys watch those. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, lookook, you saw the worst fights to
Speaker 1: start with. Just why don't you just look up some
Speaker 1: of the workouts and the diet and stuff. So I
Speaker 1: look out the workouts, I'm like, all right, these are
Speaker 1: pretty good. Like I'm I'm feeling challenge. I like this
Speaker 1: to the diet is pretty cool, all right. And then
Speaker 1: realize when I got back from I Act that I
Speaker 1: wanted to actually try and pursue a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I started getting into watching fighting out there and I
Speaker 1: saw Cyborg and I was convinced that I could fight Cyborg,
Speaker 1: not realizing we're not even close to the same way class.
Speaker 1: It took me seeing her strikeforce. I'm looking at and going,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm like half your size. I just finding
Speaker 1: it one time, but at the time, like I had
Speaker 1: no concept of what my body's limitations and abilities were.
Speaker 1: I just do that. I wanted to try it, and
Speaker 1: my dream was Cyborg was the topic you could get in,
Speaker 1: the most competitive you could get, and that's where I
Speaker 1: wanted to go. I was like, I can show everybody
Speaker 1: I can beat Cyborg um and got into training, fell
Speaker 1: in love with it off right off the bat, breaking
Speaker 1: my nose, hair ripped out, clothes ripped, and I was hooked.
Speaker 1: So so you think Hilly Holmes stands a chance against Cyborg,
Speaker 1: I think she does. I think Holly does because she
Speaker 1: has competed at one before and because her stand up
Speaker 1: is really good. But Cyborg is a whole different creature.
Speaker 1: She's on a whole different playing field from other people
Speaker 1: she I know Cyberg, she's a sweetheart outside of the cage,
Speaker 1: but she is ruthless in there, and she gives everything
Speaker 1: she has, and that balance, I think is exactly what
Speaker 1: what drives her to be so good. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: So I was looking as I was looking at first
Speaker 1: of all, Ian always uh when these fights come up,
Speaker 1: he goes, Hey, Jim, who's gonna win? Because I'm really
Speaker 1: good at predicting outcome of fights based on a number
Speaker 1: of things that I look at when I see a fighter.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was learning how to rep free fights,
Speaker 1: many many many you weren't even born yet, Joe Louis,
Speaker 1: you know, I had me. It was getting tray in
Speaker 1: me to become a referee. And I go travel around
Speaker 1: and we're sitting at ringside and watch two guys beat
Speaker 1: the crap out of each other, and he's like, so,
Speaker 1: why is this guy winning? Who's gonna win? And I
Speaker 1: started trying to break this fight down, and goes, Jim,
Speaker 1: there's only two things a fighter brings into the ring.
Speaker 1: I go outside. It goes offense and defense, and if
Speaker 1: you either want to lack in there in trouble, I
Speaker 1: go okay. So, but so we used do a lot
Speaker 1: of study, you know, on fighters, and uh, so I
Speaker 1: took about a twenty minute scan before this interview at
Speaker 1: based on Wikipedia only, and I watched a couple of
Speaker 1: video clips, and you know, it's funny you throw out there, Jim.
Speaker 1: It's not like you just went on Wikipedia. You like,
Speaker 1: you regularly watch UFC, so you watched her last fight.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now I watch a lot of stuff, and
Speaker 1: and uh it's I just think fighting is so interesting
Speaker 1: to see how people survive, you know, and and to
Speaker 1: lose this point, it's about being the best you can be.
Speaker 1: And I like when Perry do you watch Perry loses
Speaker 1: last weekend? Liz? I mean this, this guy is an animal,
Speaker 1: but he was fighting the wrong fight completely. He was
Speaker 1: fighting a long fight. You know, he's giving up two
Speaker 1: inches and reaching two inches in height against the guy
Speaker 1: that can do five rounds. And uh, Perry's he's just
Speaker 1: not there yet. So I mean, he's gonna his next
Speaker 1: fight is gonna be really interesting how they match him up.
Speaker 1: But when I looked at yours, your first tenth and
Speaker 1: and I had this crazy memory, uh crazy memory. I
Speaker 1: can glance and stuff and it never goes away. But
Speaker 1: I looked at your first ten fights before the UFC,
Speaker 1: and you were, just like you said, in your mind, Bully,
Speaker 1: I don't think your bully, but you you you rapidly
Speaker 1: grew out of that class. And I had a big
Speaker 1: question for me, is the class of fighters in the
Speaker 1: UFC different than your previous UFC experiences? And right, and
Speaker 1: with that and with that said, I noticed that you
Speaker 1: have one opponent that's beat you twice and she's barely
Speaker 1: beating you, if at all. And you're going, you know,
Speaker 1: so you're you're getting three rounds out of each and
Speaker 1: every one of these your last six fights. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you're right on the verge of and you went
Speaker 1: from decision you know, uh, you know, from the unanimous
Speaker 1: decision to split decision. So you're you're, if you attract
Speaker 1: and trend your progress, you're actually getting better all the time.
Speaker 1: You're wanted to step from whatever you think you want
Speaker 1: to be, in my opinion, with just a couple of
Speaker 1: minor adjustments, and it's easy to see if you could
Speaker 1: chart that, you know, like on a it's what you're
Speaker 1: doing is pretty pretty amazing. And I know your owning
Speaker 1: your own gym, and you're dealing with the kids and
Speaker 1: the peaceful philosophy and all that. You know, that's got
Speaker 1: to tell you a little bit because what you're doing,
Speaker 1: it's hard to get a lot of those kids in
Speaker 1: there with that mentality is going to put them in
Speaker 1: a ring. So, I mean, you're taking on so much.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that you're you're actually trending in a really
Speaker 1: positive direction for people that look at where you're headed,
Speaker 1: you know, it is it is pretty difficult to balance everything. Um.
Speaker 1: But also we were just talking about the other day,
Speaker 1: somebody suggests, why don't you take a vacation and just relax.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to sit still and relax, so
Speaker 1: so boring and I can't possibly fathom what to do.
Speaker 1: Like I was feeling, we had a few people they're
Speaker 1: outstick and I was feeling a little bit under the
Speaker 1: weather over the weekend, and my business partners like, hey,
Speaker 1: just just take Saturday off and ines, actually I just
Speaker 1: strove to work. He told me just to take the
Speaker 1: day off. But it's instinct, so I know, there's like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to sit at home and just
Speaker 1: relax and just be still. Yeah, but I also have
Speaker 1: the really great support system. My business partner. Not only
Speaker 1: is he my business partner, but he's my friend. I
Speaker 1: consider him family, but he's also my head coach, Bill
Speaker 1: Bill Crawfords, so he helps out with everything for my
Speaker 1: strength and and isitioning from letting me beat him up
Speaker 1: with with techniques and just destroying his body, uh, to
Speaker 1: being a mentor when it comes to the business side
Speaker 1: of things. And then the staff that we have. Everybody
Speaker 1: there not only are they their staff and they're working
Speaker 1: in their teaching classes, but they're also training partners, so
Speaker 1: I take everything from them, and everybody was just so supportive,
Speaker 1: especially in this fight, but they always are like if
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, guys, I need to take a few
Speaker 1: days to really grind in training, we got you. It
Speaker 1: will take care of you. And then my fiancee who
Speaker 1: also helps me out. So with those balances, I don't
Speaker 1: think that I could be where I'm at if I
Speaker 1: didn't have all these people in my life that are
Speaker 1: helping me to be the best I can be as
Speaker 1: a fighter and as a person. That's great. So tell
Speaker 1: us actually a little bit about the training school that
Speaker 1: you have. Also, I have three schools. I have tin Planet, Michigani,
Speaker 1: Spring Valley and Ocean Side, and Oceanside being the newest
Speaker 1: one um we have where we were saying to combat
Speaker 1: academy and then the Tin planet system just blew up
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, everybody's familiar with Joe Rogan and
Speaker 1: Eddie Bravo, and then everybody loves Bravo's conspiracy theories on everything.
Speaker 1: He's like a flat earther, I believe. Uh. So, we
Speaker 1: were fortunate enough that Richie Martinez fought one of our
Speaker 1: fighters and it was the first time he'd ever thrown
Speaker 1: down an m M a fight and ever had to
Speaker 1: actually struggle. He's like, well, I don't know what you
Speaker 1: guys did. He's like, usually I submit everybody thin the
Speaker 1: first ten seconds and it went all the way to
Speaker 1: decision um and he's like, yeah, I've never experienced that before.
Speaker 1: He's like, whatever you guys are doing, I want to
Speaker 1: be a part of it. So we started having a
Speaker 1: come through in training with us, and we'd offer him like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you teach a few classes, Like you have
Speaker 1: a different jiu jitsu style that's been working so successfully
Speaker 1: for you, Maybe just teach us a few things if
Speaker 1: we can't help each other. And then it turned into
Speaker 1: he's the head black belt at our school. He runs
Speaker 1: Mission Valley. His brother now is a head black belt
Speaker 1: at Oceanside. Uh, he's produced a black belt PJ. Birch.
Speaker 1: It's a head out of Spring Valley and it's just
Speaker 1: blown up for Tenth Plant. I mean, we now have
Speaker 1: a Lima Lae McFarlane, who's HERD champion as well, has
Speaker 1: come back to a champion, So she's my main training partner,
Speaker 1: and she's been produced from all of our efforts and
Speaker 1: ten Planet has just grown so substantially we couldn't possibly
Speaker 1: projected where it was going to go with everything. Now
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I'm just sitting here thinking, you know, because
Speaker 1: like I said, I always you know, we are always
Speaker 1: critics when we're outside the ring, and I'm not. I
Speaker 1: would you have so many weapons and so much energy
Speaker 1: and strength and drive and that marine core background. I
Speaker 1: suspect has a lot to do with that as well.
Speaker 1: But one of my friends says, what would you do different?
Speaker 1: I said, well, I wouldn't do much different with her.
Speaker 1: But the one thing you can't teach us patients, when
Speaker 1: I watch you fight, you want to you want to
Speaker 1: kill him right away, you know, you know. The only
Speaker 1: thing I see is during that transition. It's it's sometimes
Speaker 1: it's so fast, I'm not sure that you know. Things
Speaker 1: don't happen by mistake, and your opponent might get a
Speaker 1: little momentary advantage. But if you could slow down a
Speaker 1: half a second, you're so you're so anxious and and
Speaker 1: most people that fight with your level of anxiousness cannot
Speaker 1: last like you do. Your your your endurance is sick
Speaker 1: in a good way, very possible. But if I could
Speaker 1: teach you anything in the world, I said, just patients.
Speaker 1: I used to tell my fighters, and back when I
Speaker 1: used to train fighters, like when you hit the if
Speaker 1: you go down on the ground or whatever, I would
Speaker 1: tell them that, you know, it's always position before performance.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times we'll feel that open and
Speaker 1: where you're so smooth, and I think your early days
Speaker 1: of you know, tai kwando and ballet, you're so flexible
Speaker 1: that you're gonna feel a lot more movement than the
Speaker 1: average person will, and you feel it you automatically just
Speaker 1: go like a magnet, you know. And I'm not I
Speaker 1: would everything there's positive, is very positive. But just my
Speaker 1: advice to anybody is, you know, is position before performance
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, even when I used to train and
Speaker 1: fight all my fighters all the time. I'll smell blood
Speaker 1: in the water, I'll just go right at it, and
Speaker 1: where if I just paused for half a second, out
Speaker 1: of got there a lot quicker. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: interesting just watching you're you're a very interesting fighter. I
Speaker 1: mean you You've got so much talent in in your
Speaker 1: mind and your body, and it's really really insane. It's good.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I get the feeling Jim is like dying
Speaker 1: to train you. No, no, no no, you wanted to
Speaker 1: with uh when we had Tim Kennedy on, well listen
Speaker 1: so here. It is because you guys have that bad
Speaker 1: that military background and and carmaderie that I think is
Speaker 1: and you share, you know, this love for martial arts.
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, I feel like it would be
Speaker 1: cool if you ever got the chance to train. Was
Speaker 1: so lis I started. I have a website it's called
Speaker 1: American Extension Fighting, which really I don't do much on it,
Speaker 1: write a few letters and stuff, but I actually have
Speaker 1: my own martial arts system. Train it's start to fighting
Speaker 1: sanctioned all the way back through Japan. Uh. I've been
Speaker 1: doing this over fifty years. And Jerry Pennington is the
Speaker 1: guy who put all this stuff together for me and
Speaker 1: uh evaluated the system at every level, which, uh what
Speaker 1: what the purpose behind this system is kind of a
Speaker 1: gap filler, because there's always a gap. If you're a
Speaker 1: taekwondo guy, you might have weak hands. If you're a boxer,
Speaker 1: you may not be able to stop leg kicks. If
Speaker 1: you're a mue tai guy, you may sit on your
Speaker 1: you know, your back leg too much trying to block off,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the kicks. What I do is
Speaker 1: I look at every fighter and every fight style. I've
Speaker 1: been looking at him over fifty years, and I go,
Speaker 1: you know, there's always something that we can do better.
Speaker 1: And with that said, it's very important based off what
Speaker 1: the end just said that one of the things I
Speaker 1: never do is take away anything that you already have.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's about just implementation and if it's something taking
Speaker 1: a half a second pause before moving or you know, uh,
Speaker 1: learning how to put your weight where it needs to be.
Speaker 1: Based off what type of fighter, I can take any
Speaker 1: fighter in the world, Liz, and in the first five
Speaker 1: minutes identify exactly what kind of fighter you are. And
Speaker 1: if if you take Perry when I said he was
Speaker 1: fighting the wrong fight whoever. You know, all his training
Speaker 1: and stuff. I have nothing but mad respect for him,
Speaker 1: and and he too, because he's a badass guy, really
Speaker 1: badass guy, and not the kind of guy you want
Speaker 1: to hook up when I had Dark Alley right, but
Speaker 1: uh you know, if you want to be the top
Speaker 1: echelon in the direction here he had. I I don't
Speaker 1: see any reason world why you can't be wearing the
Speaker 1: UFC belt, for example, just a couple of a couple
Speaker 1: of adjustments, because what you do is all good, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you do a lot of good stuff, and
Speaker 1: your attitude is superior by far. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that get it on Tim Kennedy, he's too
Speaker 1: much for momentum. You know, he's pushing his punches and
Speaker 1: I said that before the fight, remember, and uh so
Speaker 1: it gets you in trouble sometimes, but he's a very
Speaker 1: strong wrestler, so he falls back. Well, if I pushed
Speaker 1: his punch, getting a clinch, get you on the ground,
Speaker 1: most likely I'll win that that heavy muscle masks and
Speaker 1: Paris got a lot of that too. Over three rounds.
Speaker 1: It's gonna could come back and haunt you. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, Liz very lean and can last a lot longer.
Speaker 1: Her mind and chemistry doesn't work the same. From what
Speaker 1: I can tell watching you, Liz, it's you just you
Speaker 1: just got one gear and it's wide open, so you
Speaker 1: know you can you can use that in a lot
Speaker 1: of positive ways. And you already are. So that's awesome.
Speaker 1: When we do like our spring practice, everybody else needs
Speaker 1: to take like take a round off, take a rest.
Speaker 1: Greed I go for the entire hour, and I always say,
Speaker 1: come on, let's go. No no, no, no breaks. I
Speaker 1: don't believe it breaks. This is go. This is why
Speaker 1: we're here to work. Absolutely. Yeah, tap people out, sit
Speaker 1: in a fresh opponent. You do all that too, right,
Speaker 1: Just so, I did some mad math many years ago.
Speaker 1: I trained a couple of guys back when U Joe
Speaker 1: Silver used to be the photographer for the UFC, and
Speaker 1: they could still knee to the head and the head.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of my guys fought Randy Cootour.
Speaker 1: But both of my guys I put in the UFC.
Speaker 1: Both of them beat world champions or whatever it was
Speaker 1: they did. Uh And neither one of them had any
Speaker 1: martial arts experience a year before that. Uh, So they
Speaker 1: were there pure bred athletes, and they are very strong guys.
Speaker 1: And you know what I did some mad math and
Speaker 1: without getting into how it all works, but if you
Speaker 1: want to fight three or five five minute rounds successfully,
Speaker 1: I'll do three or five seven teen minute rounds, rotating
Speaker 1: partners and every time somebody taps, you got another one.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no rest. But my formula for that
Speaker 1: success to be able to push the end of that round,
Speaker 1: you know, start hard and finished hearts and philosophy is
Speaker 1: my mad math came up with seventeen minute rounds. So
Speaker 1: if you're just having fun on a boring day, get
Speaker 1: out there and try three seventeen minute rounds and see
Speaker 1: how you feel. At the end of the day. We
Speaker 1: college start team and so you have all your sharks
Speaker 1: in the side. The guppies are the fighters are getting
Speaker 1: ready for fights and fight camp and you get you
Speaker 1: go for the either thirty minutes NonStop and they just
Speaker 1: rotate out. If you tap somebody out and knock somebody out,
Speaker 1: we just keep on going. Guppies stay. They don't get
Speaker 1: to be fresh at all. They see in the entire
Speaker 1: time the charksis keep rotating out. Yeah, now that that's
Speaker 1: exactly the right philosophy for sure. This for the for
Speaker 1: the actual fight itself, the fighters for whatever reason, there's
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes equates to time in the ring and how
Speaker 1: you push yourself. It's a kind of a musical rhythm,
Speaker 1: you know with the christiend those the highs, the lows,
Speaker 1: giving some up pushing at times. You know. So it's
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. Yeah, but you're doing the right stuff
Speaker 1: there for sure. Thirty minutes a long long ride. Oh yeah, Hey, Liz,
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering what your reaction has been to you know,
Speaker 1: what happened to Rhonda Rousey. As I mentioned earlier For
Speaker 1: those who don't know, Liz was in the first ever
Speaker 1: women's UFC fight against Rhonda Rousey. It looks like her
Speaker 1: fight career has ended, and you know, you're still here
Speaker 1: doing your thing. Uh what do you think about just
Speaker 1: you know, her experience of of losing those two fights
Speaker 1: and deciding not to come back. It looks like, uh,
Speaker 1: it was much anticipated. Honestly, Um, it's fighting is all
Speaker 1: about her mentality, it's psychology. I can watch a watch
Speaker 1: a fighter who has no skill set, no cardio, no
Speaker 1: work ethic, but they believe they're the absolute best in
Speaker 1: the entire world, and they go out and beat somebody
Speaker 1: who trained their butt off to get in that fight
Speaker 1: and has every tool available, which is because they believe it.
Speaker 1: It comes into fruition in the same sense with Rhonda, mentally,
Speaker 1: she had prepared herself to take the belt and retire undefeated,
Speaker 1: and the moment that that became challenged, she wasn't mentally
Speaker 1: prepared to overcome that. She wasn't the type of fighter
Speaker 1: that saw those weaknesses and wanted to push to be
Speaker 1: stronger in those areas and says she only focused on
Speaker 1: her strengths and mentally just wasn't prepared to be defeated anyway.
Speaker 1: And once that happened, she broke down. For other fighters, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to lose. You have to lose because you
Speaker 1: want and you hunger so much more for the win.
Speaker 1: You work that much harder. Like if I make a mistake,
Speaker 1: then I'll go, Okay, I'm never making a mistake again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fix that and be better than I was before.
Speaker 1: Some fighters think that way. Other fighters go, well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to experience that again. I'm just gonna avoid that.
Speaker 1: And you can't do that, not in m a And
Speaker 1: I think for her, I knew it from the beginning,
Speaker 1: so it really doesn't come as a surprise to me.
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised she took two losses before she retired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do do you think the issue is the fact that
Speaker 1: you know she she's making all this money now, she
Speaker 1: doesn't need to do this any longer. But you do
Speaker 1: wonder because she could still be a competitive fighter, and
Speaker 1: she could still be doing what you're doing. You know what,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think she ever will could always
Speaker 1: have doubt in her mind. Um. I mean even before
Speaker 1: her last fight, she said I wanted to take a break,
Speaker 1: and she never said that before that that statement alone
Speaker 1: is different than you've ever heard her. She already had
Speaker 1: that doubt in her mind. So I don't think she
Speaker 1: could ever go in there because she's always in a
Speaker 1: question herself and her abilities, and she's not just like
Speaker 1: I would never want to fight a little local show.
Speaker 1: Once you fought it the best, you want to maintain that.
Speaker 1: There's a standard that you hold yourself to and you
Speaker 1: constantly want to strive for that. And yeah, money is
Speaker 1: is absolutely good, good excuse. She's made tons of money.
Speaker 1: She's set for life. She never has to worry about
Speaker 1: money again. Um, And she proved what her skill and
Speaker 1: what her abilities were as a fighter, so she doesn't
Speaker 1: to prove anything to anybody either. Man, I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't think she remembered the first loss. That's probably
Speaker 1: why I took two, you know, but you know, if
Speaker 1: you get knocked out, you have no memory of that
Speaker 1: at all. Typically, I wonder what the future of UFC is,
Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of the superstars are down.
Speaker 1: You know, Rhonda Rousey was known as a superstar. Connor McGregor,
Speaker 1: will we see him fight again? Jon Jones, the whole
Speaker 1: steroid issue. You know. I know GESP is back and
Speaker 1: and he's a superstar. But I've been kind of debating
Speaker 1: this with friends of mine. If you're a younger kid
Speaker 1: who's maybe eighteen years old and you just got into
Speaker 1: this UFC thing, you're not really familiar with his history.
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of interesting how a lot of
Speaker 1: these superstars are are not gonna be fighting for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But in the same sense, Um, the advantage that we
Speaker 1: have is particularly with the UFC, is through social media,
Speaker 1: they make all the fighters tangible, and especially with the females,
Speaker 1: the female fighters. It's wide open. You know, if you
Speaker 1: there's no cap to where you guys can end up
Speaker 1: this day. Yeah, as far as superstars, I think one
Speaker 1: thing we always learned is anybody can can replace you
Speaker 1: when it comes to fighting, when it comes to movies, anything,
Speaker 1: you're replaceable. Somebody gonna step up and take your place.
Speaker 1: So you can either grow with it or false of
Speaker 1: the wayside, let yourself just be a memory. And so
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a superstar that's gonna rise up.
Speaker 1: This gonna takes their take their place and stap up
Speaker 1: to be that new superstar. It's funny. I've trained a
Speaker 1: lot of fighters through the years, and one of the
Speaker 1: more recent ones has unlimited potential. But she got married
Speaker 1: at nineteen, so she's on her break. But at at
Speaker 1: five one d fourteen pounds, she's one of the fastest
Speaker 1: runners on the planet. Uh. She she can dad lift
Speaker 1: six pounds and she's insanely physically fit. But you gotta
Speaker 1: get the mind fit with it right if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to do. And she had a bad day
Speaker 1: in the gym one time and got a little frustrated
Speaker 1: and threw her gloves down and waits down whatever, And
Speaker 1: I said, listen, you gotta you gotta think about it
Speaker 1: like this to your point, Liz, I said, And almost
Speaker 1: virtually every city in the country and around the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen that little nine year old girl
Speaker 1: boxing from in Russia hitting trees and stuff. I said,
Speaker 1: there's somebody out there training right now to beat here.
Speaker 1: I mean six years old, eight years old, twelve years old.
Speaker 1: I said, And you're gonna make your day view one day.
Speaker 1: And the day your first day you walk out of
Speaker 1: the door and into the ring, there's some little kids
Speaker 1: sitting on your front porch just waiting on you. So
Speaker 1: exactly to your point. You can get replaced pretty quick,
Speaker 1: you know. And so you know that's one of the
Speaker 1: things in my quick study of you is your crazy drive.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that's gotta have some it's all you,
Speaker 1: But the Marine Corps had to had to stick some
Speaker 1: of that in there too, because you know, Paris Island
Speaker 1: is no joke, right, you can't. I cannot quit there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know where it came from, honestly, something I've
Speaker 1: talked about with my mom because always growing up, if
Speaker 1: I played soccer and I played goal and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we lost him. I was like, yeah, you just made
Speaker 1: a record by defending sixty goals and only five five
Speaker 1: win in five we lost five reals. Work. It's just like,
Speaker 1: are you listening to yourself? And I'd always come out
Speaker 1: of their beating myself up, and then of course some
Speaker 1: Marine Corps just caveat off that so much that it
Speaker 1: carried over in a maze. So whatever she raised and
Speaker 1: instilled in me was always to just be the best
Speaker 1: I could possibly be. And there is no such thing
Speaker 1: as it can't philosophy. The only person that can tell
Speaker 1: yourself can in life is yourself. If you set your
Speaker 1: mind and your dreams on something it's tangible, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be difficult, absolutely, but anything is possible as long as
Speaker 1: you give everything you have onto it. And that's always
Speaker 1: been instilled to me. And then you top the Marine
Speaker 1: Corps on top of that. That's no, that's also true. Um,
Speaker 1: going back to what I was saying about Superstars, and
Speaker 1: I'd kind of like to hear your feeling on this.
Speaker 1: I love the UFC as an organization and everything, but
Speaker 1: the one thing that does kind of bother me, and
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this probably before him. Uh
Speaker 1: is the fact that what makes someone a superstar nowadays
Speaker 1: is not necessarily the caliber fighter. It's how great of
Speaker 1: a ship talker you are and all that. Like, I
Speaker 1: can tell you the most exciting fight that I saw
Speaker 1: of last year was du Hoo Choi and Cub Swanson
Speaker 1: and to me, do Ho Choi, that guy should absolutely
Speaker 1: be a superstar. And I think what holds him back
Speaker 1: is he doesn't speak English, so he can't, you know,
Speaker 1: give this like great interview that people want to see,
Speaker 1: and to me is just a fight fan. I don't
Speaker 1: really care. He's exciting to watch, Yeah, And I absolutely
Speaker 1: agree with that. I think that there are definitely some
Speaker 1: fighters that are up there where I watched them get
Speaker 1: signed to an organization and for what Like I look
Speaker 1: at their videos like they're not good at all. There's
Speaker 1: still so much for them to achieve, then the work
Speaker 1: ethic to get there anyway, but do so good it
Speaker 1: pitching themselves on social media and broadcasting themselves out there
Speaker 1: on any platform possible, and as a result they reach stardom,
Speaker 1: but not because of their skill set as a fighter,
Speaker 1: but because they really know how to run their mouths
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that is true, and I'm in my five
Speaker 1: cur itself is evidence of that. I focus more on
Speaker 1: my my job and I focus more on training than
Speaker 1: I ever do on on social media. I mean half
Speaker 1: the time, my fiance and I will go do great stuff.
Speaker 1: We come back for that. She's like, hey do you
Speaker 1: take pictures and video? And I'm like, she's like, what
Speaker 1: do we talk about? I'm like, Oh'm storry. It wasn't
Speaker 1: enjoying the day. It never occurs to me at the
Speaker 1: point and be like, hey, let me stop and record
Speaker 1: this and and that's just not me. And I like
Speaker 1: Partner of Lima. She is so good and putting making
Speaker 1: herself available to all the fans, and so not only
Speaker 1: does she have the skill set, but she also knows
Speaker 1: how to how to broadcast herself on all these platforms.
Speaker 1: Her career is just skyrocketing. And I watched her. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that. I just not good
Speaker 1: at it. All you gotta do is just call somebody
Speaker 1: out once in a while. Because your actual SPA was like,
Speaker 1: if you put yourself out there, if you talk, do
Speaker 1: all this trash talking, and you better actions better always
Speaker 1: back up your words, and a people mistake could happen
Speaker 1: and you could have the best fight camp ever. You
Speaker 1: go into the cage, there's a little bit of water
Speaker 1: on the mat, you don't know, you slip and get caught,
Speaker 1: and all that trash talking just came back and bits
Speaker 1: you right in the butt. So I'm never that person
Speaker 1: because I can always look at any mistake can happen.
Speaker 1: It's life and it's fighting I could have. I could
Speaker 1: go in in there and just have an off day
Speaker 1: and just not show up that day and the best
Speaker 1: representation of them shows up and I lose that fight,
Speaker 1: or it could be the best performance I've ever had.
Speaker 1: Anything could happen, But for me, it's trash talking. This
Speaker 1: isn't an option because I feel like it just it
Speaker 1: comes back to get you. Everybody wants to see you fail,
Speaker 1: and when you do, they're they're just helping cover you up.
Speaker 1: So so that's not always true. List, there's two kinds
Speaker 1: of failing in the ring. You know, if you lose,
Speaker 1: you lose, right, But some people losing the I'm glady law,
Speaker 1: he should have lost, he didn't fight, he's pussy whatever, right,
Speaker 1: But then some people lose, they go down fighting and
Speaker 1: if you know, to the very bitter end, I mean,
Speaker 1: even even Perryman, I'm really disappointed because when he when
Speaker 1: he ended that fight, he just toweling, he gave up.
Speaker 1: I lost respect. And I know he's a badass guy,
Speaker 1: and but the way he ended it wasn't good. You know,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the way you end them is in
Speaker 1: in a flame. And so you're you're in a position
Speaker 1: wind lose a draw that you could actually call people
Speaker 1: out sometime because there's no there's no quit in you
Speaker 1: that I could I found on the Internet yet or
Speaker 1: anywhere else. And I can listen to your spirit right
Speaker 1: here now. And I've I've I've been around people like
Speaker 1: you my entire life. I'm not saying there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of them, because I don't hang around a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but I hang around people that are not
Speaker 1: afraid to lose or wind, you know. And and and
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I think in my mind
Speaker 1: that separates you. It's you know, it's like, yeah, I lost,
Speaker 1: but they scored five points. You know, you just you
Speaker 1: kind of go off on a tangent because losing is
Speaker 1: not an option in a way that you were brought
Speaker 1: up in my opinion only because I don't know you,
Speaker 1: but I can tell that when you lose, you don't
Speaker 1: lose fans, you know what I mean. And and and
Speaker 1: that gives you a different platform to be able to
Speaker 1: promote yourself because you don't go down and quit, you know,
Speaker 1: so even on a bad day, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think I think you might be, you know, right on
Speaker 1: the edge of a different level of social media success
Speaker 1: to just really catch on fire, you know, take everything
Speaker 1: that you built, everything you've done, and then just call
Speaker 1: out a couple of people, not not like how I
Speaker 1: want to fight you. I want to fight you, but
Speaker 1: if you think they're weak or strong in a specific area,
Speaker 1: to say, look if I beat them, this is why
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat the you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: they're weak in this area, this or that. You know,
Speaker 1: people he listen to you because one, you're so rounded,
Speaker 1: you know, you have tons of skill, and not just one,
Speaker 1: you know, like Mu Tai or Rafflin. I mean you've
Speaker 1: got the whole, you know, Arsenal, your toolbox is full,
Speaker 1: you know, so you had you've learned the right to
Speaker 1: call people out and take that next step. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just my opinion, that's all. Yeah. The best example
Speaker 1: of that was Nate d As, of course. I mean
Speaker 1: I feel like he was, uh, there was some obscurity
Speaker 1: there for a little bit, and then when he finally
Speaker 1: took on Connor McGregor and he put on a show. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there are people like like Nick and Nate who
Speaker 1: are able to do that trash talking and Connor and
Speaker 1: and just like that. People tune in because they want
Speaker 1: to see, like he did all that trash talking to
Speaker 1: back it up, and and that's what brings in a
Speaker 1: lot of publicity for fights. And I respect that because
Speaker 1: without that we wouldn't I don't imagine that we would
Speaker 1: actually have as many fans tune in for the UFC
Speaker 1: if not for some of the trash talking has occurred
Speaker 1: by some of these fighters, because you get so invested
Speaker 1: in this scene what's going to happen, and excited about
Speaker 1: everything that they're gonna say that she tuned and watch it.
Speaker 1: You want to see them, You want to see the
Speaker 1: succeed or Phil or just see what's going to happen
Speaker 1: in the collision between the fighters. And that that's sound
Speaker 1: great for the squord acts, that soap opera element say,
Speaker 1: one of the beauties of being old is I was
Speaker 1: back in the Muhammad Ali days. You know, float like
Speaker 1: a butterfly's thing, like he would call it around it.
Speaker 1: He would knock somebody out here, and he really started
Speaker 1: this whole tring. He revolutionized, you know, fighting in social
Speaker 1: media and it paid off really well for him. You know,
Speaker 1: he was very controversy controversy sales. Don't you agree, Liz?
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, so big controversial. So what is it
Speaker 1: that you're currently working on and and any you know
Speaker 1: idea of when we're going to see you in the
Speaker 1: cage next. I'm ready to go back in. I was
Speaker 1: came back from the fight on skie that I have
Speaker 1: scratched on my chin from head pressure. It's about it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and me, I'm always ready to go. I mean
Speaker 1: Monday morning, I like, hey, I'm ready back train, Like no,
Speaker 1: go take a day off, go show like alright, fine,
Speaker 1: because I can relax and then here I am again
Speaker 1: Like well, I mean I can can sneak off to
Speaker 1: the y and they'll never know that I just sat there, right, Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean just for me, whenever I win or lose,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, um, because I'm assessing what I did
Speaker 1: correctly when I did incorrectly in the fight. And I
Speaker 1: want to improve. I want to be the best fighter
Speaker 1: I can be. I saw a lot of improvements from
Speaker 1: not only the last fight, but the last time I
Speaker 1: faced Selexus to this one whole different fighter, and I
Speaker 1: just want to keep showing that that's who I am,
Speaker 1: is an evolving fighter that's gonna keep growing and just
Speaker 1: keep showing everybody what I have available to me and
Speaker 1: what I can do as a fighter. So the moment
Speaker 1: I can get back in there, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go for that belt and hold that
Speaker 1: for sure. But yeah, well, don't mean interrupt. I'm apologize
Speaker 1: for that. But when I when I charted your stuff,
Speaker 1: you can see the progression and how much better you're
Speaker 1: getting fi to fight to fight, you know, And uh,
Speaker 1: everything you said is exactly the way I viewed it
Speaker 1: when I charted you. If you had to fight hypothetically
Speaker 1: Alex again, what what what would you do different? Uh,
Speaker 1: There's a few things I would do differently. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that I didn't push the temple quite as well
Speaker 1: as I should have. I think at one point, I,
Speaker 1: without a doubt, had her. She was rocked. I had
Speaker 1: her on the cage. I thought she was gonna hold me.
Speaker 1: I should have backed off, reassessed, and then continue to
Speaker 1: do the flurry punches and just knocked her out. Um.
Speaker 1: But of course, hindsight you can always realize the mistakes
Speaker 1: that you mean. Um, but being able to take advantage
Speaker 1: of that and recognize that there's a time and a
Speaker 1: place I saw blood and I was going for it.
Speaker 1: I just did incorrectly on how to pursue it, so
Speaker 1: that I would do differently. Um. Two is I would
Speaker 1: I would push more with the black belts that we have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I worked with you Giovanni Martinez, who's on
Speaker 1: He's a black belt under tenth Planet and he holds
Speaker 1: the belt for e b I, And every chance that
Speaker 1: I've had to work with him, I feel like he's
Speaker 1: improved my games so much and he seemed more insight.
Speaker 1: So one thing I do is to take advantage of
Speaker 1: him more and use it because I feel like he
Speaker 1: helped me to succeed on where I did on the ground.
Speaker 1: They're definitely mistakes that I made, of course, but in
Speaker 1: the past where I was at, I never would have done.
Speaker 1: I never would have come out of that fight against
Speaker 1: the black belt not getting chopped out, and I was
Speaker 1: able to hold my grounds and tried something on her,
Speaker 1: was able to defend stuff from her. And that's a
Speaker 1: huge improvement that I want to capitalize more that I
Speaker 1: know will help me out and just pushing more on
Speaker 1: my on my stands up to be more aggressive towards
Speaker 1: her for that. So, speaking of stand up, one of
Speaker 1: the things lately, I mean, I've watched the entire evolution
Speaker 1: of the UFC, and you know, the stand up game
Speaker 1: has become you know, more and more prevalent, with a
Speaker 1: lot of more knockouts and and you know, just people
Speaker 1: just getting beat down with really good takedown defenses. How
Speaker 1: do you view your stand up against her? Would you
Speaker 1: do anything different? Laer? I'm just curious because I think
Speaker 1: to throw more in combinations. When I was throwing and
Speaker 1: stand up by the succeeding and I was doing really well,
Speaker 1: I mean, she really only connected about two punches and
Speaker 1: that was just kind of like a learning Okay, let
Speaker 1: me wake up a little bit. You hit me. Cool,
Speaker 1: Now I can actually throw. And once I woke up
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, now I'm seeing everything
Speaker 1: and getting a better perspective and watching the whole movement
Speaker 1: of what she's doing where we're at in the cage,
Speaker 1: and I was able to take advantage of that more.
Speaker 1: I just changed to be more aggressive with it and
Speaker 1: throw more combinations and changing levels and more kicks. Um
Speaker 1: use my clunch work, which I love throwing. I love
Speaker 1: using the clinch, and I have a really strong clinch.
Speaker 1: I should have used it more in that fight and
Speaker 1: I didn't, so definitely in differently, So, do you find
Speaker 1: any advantage to be in a south your South pa right? Both,
Speaker 1: I'm ambidextrous. Okay, that's interesting. Which do you prefer? My
Speaker 1: son was ambidexterous? Um? You know, it really depends. I
Speaker 1: feel like as a south paw my defensive capabilities to
Speaker 1: sell Paul my movement. I can read the opponent better
Speaker 1: and defend better. But I definitely feel like I have
Speaker 1: a lot more power in my right hand if I'm
Speaker 1: standing standard. So if I want to go for that
Speaker 1: finishing knockout, I'll probably be standard. But to set it up,
Speaker 1: saw Paul works really well for me. Nice awesome. Hey,
Speaker 1: So last thing before we go, you were mentioning you
Speaker 1: know your work with Eddie Bravo and his popularity through
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. Have you have you ever been on Rogan's podcast?
Speaker 1: You know, I thought I had and we were It
Speaker 1: was actually talking with with Gabe Tuttle, he's one of
Speaker 1: my main training partners as well, and we're discussing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I swear I've been on the podcast. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm not to be a creeper. But he's like, I've
Speaker 1: watched every podcast. It's like, we're not creeping on me.
Speaker 1: So that's cool. He's like, and I don't recall that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'll take your word for it. So
Speaker 1: I thought I had, but I guess not. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm sitting down for you know, an hour or
Speaker 1: two with Joe Rogan would not be a forgettable experience,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And I think it's just that I've
Speaker 1: I've been around so often in in the in my
Speaker 1: fight life that I guess, and we've I've talked to
Speaker 1: him outside of fighting. I guess I just assumed I've
Speaker 1: been on his podcast. I haven't yet. He's got to
Speaker 1: get you on, I mean, especially with you both being
Speaker 1: in California, it's such a big draw and and everybody
Speaker 1: loves Rogan's podcast, so that would be cool to hear. Oh,
Speaker 1: I agree, I think they'd be a blast. Well, it's
Speaker 1: been a blast having you on here, and hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: do it again soon. Um you could follow Liz on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at I Am Girl Rilla uh and
Speaker 1: anything else that you're promoting before we let you go.
Speaker 1: Uh No, no, I hopefully might be having another location
Speaker 1: opening up for tent Planet. Uh. Keep your fingers crossed
Speaker 1: on that one right now. It's the success of our
Speaker 1: ocean side location or Mission Abode location. They're doing really
Speaker 1: well and so many great fighters are coming up, Competitors
Speaker 1: are coming up that are pushing all of us to
Speaker 1: new levels. And from what I see, you're very accessible
Speaker 1: on social media, so if anybody is interested, that's really
Speaker 1: the place to go. I should also think Marissa from
Speaker 1: rious ex Them for Sharing was his contact. This has
Speaker 1: been This has been a great interview and we look
Speaker 1: forward to it and doing it again. So, Liz, when
Speaker 1: is the book coming out? You know, we were talking
Speaker 1: about that my fails and are talking about doing possibilities
Speaker 1: of a book. Um. Wants to have a little bit
Speaker 1: more free time and I can actually sit still then
Speaker 1: then we'll be in the works of that. So so
Speaker 1: I asked specifically because you you bridge a couple of
Speaker 1: different worlds, and being a former marine and combat veteran,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of what you do and I
Speaker 1: kind of do it myself. Yeah, it's just helping the
Speaker 1: uh you know, things, things that will inspire the veterans,
Speaker 1: you know, the combat vets. No, absolutely, and I think that. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think anybody that's ever served has a
Speaker 1: soft spot in hurt for vets and and certainly I've
Speaker 1: lost friends that either we're in or got out and
Speaker 1: just it wasn't working when they got out. So I
Speaker 1: definitely want to help vests as much as possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nice. Uh, same here, Maybe we can collaborate on
Speaker 1: something one of these days. I do a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes. Oh. Absolutely appreciate it. Thank you, Liz,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, that was great having Liz
Speaker 1: car mouch on for the first time. U. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I interviewed her. I think it. It may have been
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago at this point, but it
Speaker 1: was a really quick one. So it was cool to
Speaker 1: have her more thorough. I mean, she went over forty
Speaker 1: five minutes with us, and uh had a lot to
Speaker 1: say and hope to see her fight again soon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's got a lot to bring to the table,
Speaker 1: just you know, after speaking to her, actually physically seeing
Speaker 1: her energy levels off the Richter scale. She actually reminds
Speaker 1: me of the one I used I used to train
Speaker 1: and sometimes do which older though, because that girl is
Speaker 1: pretty young, Liz. It was like thirty three, right, and
Speaker 1: and in my mind, she's in her prime, so there's
Speaker 1: nothing holding her back unless it's her you know, you
Speaker 1: think you could be in your prime the thirty three, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think about thirty six and thirty eight anymore. Some
Speaker 1: of the guys are pushing over forty. I think that
Speaker 1: may be a little bit of a too much of
Speaker 1: a push, you know. But uh, I think up until
Speaker 1: thirty six you're peeking. I just personally, Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: gotta stay on it, and clearly she does. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: But there are a few things, you know, that I'd
Speaker 1: like to dig deeper into with her, not her training style,
Speaker 1: but just on the strategy and you know, the South
Speaker 1: call orthodox fighter, how you align yourself to your opponent,
Speaker 1: constant ford pressure, just some fight principles. I think would
Speaker 1: make a difference, and uh, probably probably. Uh, I'm definitely
Speaker 1: interested because she's a she's a full spectrum, you know,
Speaker 1: fighter and obviously knows a lot. Yeah, she's definitely doing
Speaker 1: the right thing in terms of her career. When you're
Speaker 1: talking about uh, you know, five years down the line
Speaker 1: where she probably won't be in the cage anymore. I mean,
Speaker 1: you never know she might will be, but to be
Speaker 1: involved with all these martial arts training schools, that's really
Speaker 1: the way to go because you could be training people
Speaker 1: to fight at your age at sixty something. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the name change, if it is a huge
Speaker 1: difference and how many people you can attract, you know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about combat, karate, verse, anything else. It
Speaker 1: automatically opens the door for more people to come through
Speaker 1: your doors. If it could become a national gym chain
Speaker 1: one day, and that never does bad. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I go to a UFC gym and and that was
Speaker 1: it's a relatively new franchise doing amazing. And I don't
Speaker 1: even do M M A and just go to workout. Yeah. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think she's she's a I don't see anything holding
Speaker 1: her back except for I think it would be good
Speaker 1: to watch her get up there and call a few
Speaker 1: people down like what we discussed. But I see what
Speaker 1: she was saying because I don't think it's in her
Speaker 1: personality type. Yeah, but she's such a badass and being
Speaker 1: a formal marine. Yeah, I think just everybody would wake
Speaker 1: up and go, oh, what the hell? I thought she
Speaker 1: was just a nice girl. Have you ever heard Eddie Bravo,
Speaker 1: who owns that tenth plane at jiu Jitsu? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I know who he is. I've never met him, because
Speaker 1: he really is like the biggest conspiracy theorists. He's been
Speaker 1: on Rogan. He like he's one of those people where
Speaker 1: nothing went down the way that the government says it
Speaker 1: goes down. Actually, one of my friends, uh who's a
Speaker 1: mixed Martials, sent me one of the radio clips or
Speaker 1: whatever you other podcast. They said, Jim, you gotta hear
Speaker 1: this because you know, we have our conversations about conspiracy,
Speaker 1: you know, like example, I'd be curious to what he
Speaker 1: thinks about this, uh Senator congressman from Chicago last week
Speaker 1: that's inviting the United Nations into Chicago. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: hell of a conspiracy. But I'm sure he'd have something,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, may not be that crazy. He's he's
Speaker 1: out there guy. It'd be interesting to have one here
Speaker 1: at sometimes. I remember I had Jack listen to the
Speaker 1: podcast at episode nine eleven because I remember it was
Speaker 1: nine eleven of Alex Jones and Show Rogan with Eddie
Speaker 1: Bravo and and and Jack Murkey was like, the skuy
Speaker 1: Eddie Ravo sounds absolutely fucking insane. Probably great at m
Speaker 1: m A though. Yeah you gotta believe well, you know what,
Speaker 1: As long as you believe, man, it's okay. Yeah, alright,
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Speaker 1: your book out. I just started working on it again.
Speaker 1: Though I thought it was done, it's it's then, except
Speaker 1: for the timelines and a little bit of dressing. But
Speaker 1: I just started going chapter by chapter. So I just
Speaker 1: it's ever. It's my life every time I thing out.
Speaker 1: Damn it, I am. I promised, um all you want
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Speaker 1: not sure how that's gonna work out yet. But actually,
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