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Speaker 1: super happy to be able to, you know, bring you
Speaker 1: on board with with the rest of the crew, you know,
Speaker 1: is something I wanted to do for a while. Once
Speaker 1: the opportunity presented itself, we went for it. I feel
Speaker 1: it makes me feel good. So it's been really good
Speaker 1: to be part of the team. I was telling Ian earlier.
Speaker 1: I have now inherited an entire group of brothers, which
Speaker 1: is nice for me because that's been my entire career,
Speaker 1: one of only a few women in any environment. So
Speaker 1: I'm actually super comfortable. Thing that. Thank god you're used
Speaker 1: to working like that, because I shuddered to think that
Speaker 1: I threw you into the shark tank with those goddamn animals. No.
Speaker 1: I told you the other day that if if there
Speaker 1: are lines to be crossed, I probably drugged them across
Speaker 1: the line with me. So it's my fault if we
Speaker 1: go down paths we shouldn't. So it's okay with a
Speaker 1: bunch of Marines and uh, a couple of army dudes
Speaker 1: and some Navy seals. I don't have any of those
Speaker 1: in my and my writing group though, and rangers, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he was as a seal. Luke was a ranger. But
Speaker 1: Luke is a very like um I said. It's like stable,
Speaker 1: sound minded individuals. That not normal for rangers. Is that
Speaker 1: what you're saying? Yeah, it's a little abnormal. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: writing this book right now because I'm trying to break
Speaker 1: the glass ceiling because there's this myth out there that
Speaker 1: rangers and eighteen bravos cannot write or read and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to smash through that glass ceiling. How's that gone
Speaker 1: so far? Write a book? Hey? Well, time will tell,
Speaker 1: won't it. Time won't tell. It's been It's been an
Speaker 1: interesting experience. Though. If you were a marine you do
Speaker 1: a coloring book, exactly, you wouldn't even you'd be eating
Speaker 1: all the crayons, drinking the shampoos. Bastards. Yeah, I'd say
Speaker 1: that to Clone all the time, and he's like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: pump your brakes. You're crossing lines now. I don't know,
Speaker 1: a sensitive issue. It's just not honest with himself. I think.
Speaker 1: Have we checked his crayon box account lately? No, It's
Speaker 1: good to be on board, though. So what are we
Speaker 1: gonna talk about today? A ton of stuff to talk about,
Speaker 1: which I was actually just looking on the site today.
Speaker 1: Your latest piece on software dot com, which people need
Speaker 1: to check out, is about the arrest of former CIA
Speaker 1: officer Jerry Chune Shing, who's working with the American CIA
Speaker 1: despite like a very Asian name and that well because
Speaker 1: you know, because the story, the story is that he
Speaker 1: was working with the Chinese. His name is Jerry Lee.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's no, but you know, my
Speaker 1: point being, he was working with the Chinese, but was
Speaker 1: it was technically working for the American CIA, so it's
Speaker 1: not I don't know. It was just interesting that he
Speaker 1: has a very ethic. Well, he is Chinese, he's exactly naturalized.
Speaker 1: Trying to make me look like a racist here shocked,
Speaker 1: like they hired an Asian guy? How did this happen?
Speaker 1: You know they only hire people that look like me
Speaker 1: to do Asian stuff. That's actually part of the that's
Speaker 1: a big problem, you know for the U. S Government.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's hiring people who have you know, the
Speaker 1: right ethnicity, and like I can't blend in except like
Speaker 1: an Ireland, otherwise I'm screwed. And even in Ireland, the
Speaker 1: second I opened my mouth, people are going to know
Speaker 1: something's wrong unless they do. Who was I'm forgetting his
Speaker 1: name the guy that we interviewed who was doing work
Speaker 1: an Africa way back and basically was out there in
Speaker 1: black face. Really stuff like that has happened, Yeah, Um
Speaker 1: Billy Wabb writes about it in his in his book
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who we had on I
Speaker 1: can't remember off the top of my head. He wrote
Speaker 1: two books though, and and you know he's shot African
Speaker 1: and has has the accident we had. Oh you're talking
Speaker 1: about Tim Backs. I bet Tim Bax like I was
Speaker 1: out there with like, you know, black face. That was
Speaker 1: he was. He was in the New Scouts and Rhodesia
Speaker 1: and uh, it's not exactly politically correct, but effective. Um.
Speaker 1: And they would use that to get closer to the enemy,
Speaker 1: to close the distance. UM. I'm not sure how legal
Speaker 1: that is under the Geneva Convention for American troops to
Speaker 1: do that. And of course once you get close up,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, just a white man, a little
Speaker 1: bit like Tropic Thunder. He actually went into uh, he
Speaker 1: went into a terrorist camp at night, he writes about
Speaker 1: in his book. But the the indigenous, you know, actual African,
Speaker 1: black African, was the interface with the terrorists. And he said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy over there, he's mute, he can't talk. It's
Speaker 1: one way to do it, you know. There's so you
Speaker 1: mentioned it's difficult for us to get ethnically correct looking
Speaker 1: people for sourcing for intelligence. But there's two ways you
Speaker 1: can go with that. So there's someone like me that
Speaker 1: you can teach to speak the language, to understand the language,
Speaker 1: but never give away that they speak the language. And
Speaker 1: so you can plant someone like me in a space.
Speaker 1: People tend to think language is encryption a lot of times,
Speaker 1: no matter how much we say we're listening, we would
Speaker 1: see the Chinese just flip dialects when they were doing things. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll just flip into Cantonese. And then it does make
Speaker 1: it more difficult. It's like two different languages. But so
Speaker 1: you have that, you can go that way, or you
Speaker 1: can get someone ethnically Chinese. But the problem they're not
Speaker 1: that every Chinese American is a spy, not that, but
Speaker 1: they do prey on that. They absolutely look for the
Speaker 1: diaspora and and try and find ways to reel them
Speaker 1: back in. There's also the issue. I remember this was
Speaker 1: years ago. Let's just say that the CIA had identified
Speaker 1: someone in America from a country that we were interested in.
Speaker 1: A young guy. They were training him up in an
Speaker 1: elect trade craft and all that good stuff, and they're
Speaker 1: going to insert him back into his country. Um, but
Speaker 1: he'd been gone for like ten years at this point.
Speaker 1: So I mean, the question is like, this guy is
Speaker 1: cruising around his old hood or some other hood in
Speaker 1: Iraq and people start asking him questions. He's not going
Speaker 1: to be able to relate to them because he's been
Speaker 1: removed from the culture for ten years. There's that big gap.
Speaker 1: Where were you, what were you doing? And he's been Americanized.
Speaker 1: Even his reactions to things are probably not natural in
Speaker 1: that environment anymore. So we don't know a lot yet.
Speaker 1: This has been going on for some time. So he
Speaker 1: is a naturalized US citizen born in Hong Kong. Started
Speaker 1: working for the CIA. How he's recruited, don't know yet
Speaker 1: as an officer, not an agent. Yes, and okay, so
Speaker 1: let's let's do that for nomenclature for people out there
Speaker 1: for a while, especially in Hollywood, you will see people
Speaker 1: talk about he's a CIA agent. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no CIA. If you were an agent, that means you
Speaker 1: were a foreigner who's probably a source that we've recruited.
Speaker 1: CIA people are people, are case officers, so it would
Speaker 1: be a CIA officer. You can be an FBI agent. Different.
Speaker 1: But it's funny, but it does get thrown around. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was an agent, but an agent means an agent
Speaker 1: of a foreign post. Like some of the people that
Speaker 1: you know we work with um where who have written
Speaker 1: for the site, like Sam Faddus, he was a CIA officer,
Speaker 1: um from Tertius who was he was a seal officer
Speaker 1: and then made that jump to the agency. He was
Speaker 1: an actual case officer. UM James Powell was an operations officer.
Speaker 1: Drew Dwyer was not an officer. He was a contractor um.
Speaker 1: But also Drew would not he would not be considered
Speaker 1: an agent, would be but badger. So that's other things.
Speaker 1: There's blue badgers and green badgers. So yeah, it's important
Speaker 1: to point that out. But so he was hired at
Speaker 1: some point as a case officer for the CIA, Whether
Speaker 1: or not he applied for the job or we found
Speaker 1: him through some recruiting, that remains to be seen because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conspiracy theories now about whether he
Speaker 1: came in with intentions to was he a double from
Speaker 1: the very beginning, which is quite possible, It's totally possible.
Speaker 1: So ultimately what happened is two thousand and ten, we
Speaker 1: start seeing sources dropping left and right, either jailed, executed
Speaker 1: in China I think almost twenty right, that was reported
Speaker 1: in the New York Times. But they were they were
Speaker 1: getting disappeared, right, getting disappeared. So a mole hunt ensues,
Speaker 1: if you will. FBI puts task force together and somehow
Speaker 1: Rhodes lead to Jerry Lee. At this point he has
Speaker 1: left government service, though two thousand seven I think it
Speaker 1: was he was out of government service. So they lure
Speaker 1: him back a couple of times. That's not clear in
Speaker 1: the after David how they lured him back, but we
Speaker 1: do know in two thousand twelve they lured him back
Speaker 1: with a job offer. He actually made the trip to
Speaker 1: the United States, went through Hawaii, came to d C.
Speaker 1: Was on the Virginia side of the Beltway, and in
Speaker 1: both places they were able to go into his hotel
Speaker 1: rooms and they found written handwritten notes UK And when
Speaker 1: you say go into the hotel rooms, these would be
Speaker 1: counter intelligence people, Yeah, in a surreptitious manner, going in
Speaker 1: there and searching when he's not around. Yeah, yeah, right, right,
Speaker 1: So checking his room. Why they didn't arrest him at
Speaker 1: the time, I don't know. And if I do know,
Speaker 1: I can't say, but I don't I don't know for
Speaker 1: today's purposes. So he wasn't arrested at that time. And
Speaker 1: it's now taken six years since that point, almost six
Speaker 1: years build a case against him, to build some kind
Speaker 1: of a case. But the interesting part is the only
Speaker 1: thing they've thrown at him is unlawful retention of classified information,
Speaker 1: basically what Clinton did, and there's probably a lot more
Speaker 1: that's not been released yet. Um, you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what your experiences, but I mean, from what
Speaker 1: I've been told, in these types of cases, go in
Speaker 1: front of the judge like he the judge expects d
Speaker 1: o J to have had their ship together like front
Speaker 1: words and back like it's all. The initial hearing is
Speaker 1: almost like a formality. Yeah. Well yes, because if you
Speaker 1: if you look back through espionage cases, almost no one
Speaker 1: has ever been tried on true espionage charges. We always
Speaker 1: get them online to a federal agent or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's really difficult charges stick. Who were the ones that
Speaker 1: that really went down for espionage and treason was Aims
Speaker 1: Ultra James on the CIA side and Robert Hansen on
Speaker 1: because we were able to get them because we caught
Speaker 1: them red handed selling information to the Russians. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Aims was a piece of work. Aims is responsible for
Speaker 1: the death of several of our of our officers and
Speaker 1: also our sources. I believe it's Aims that's responsible for
Speaker 1: the CIA station chief that was killed in Greece. I
Speaker 1: might be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure he was.
Speaker 1: That it was in the nineties. No, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the British m I six station chief. I thought it
Speaker 1: was in Greece. It was, but this was like during
Speaker 1: the ramp up to the coast of campaign. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Ams gave away so these guys live and cover identities,
Speaker 1: but he gave away true name of many of ours.
Speaker 1: So not just the agents, the sources of like for him,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of Russian sources that we're working
Speaker 1: for us, but also the US case officers that were working.
Speaker 1: He gave those away. So that was aims on the
Speaker 1: CIA side. And he was a drunk and had gambling
Speaker 1: debts and so not only did he have ego as
Speaker 1: his motivation, but he had monetary issues. I think he
Speaker 1: was paid a couple of million dollars by the time
Speaker 1: everything was said and done by the Russians. And I
Speaker 1: mean what we make I mean, what do you make
Speaker 1: of the evidence that we do know that has been
Speaker 1: released about Lee? I mean, see, I can tell you,
Speaker 1: like personally, I'm not I've never worked for the CIA.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you as a journalist, and where I have
Speaker 1: to keep sources confidential, I would never have a fucking
Speaker 1: note book full of names like that, right, But we've
Speaker 1: seen the Chinese do that. A couple of times. Um,
Speaker 1: oh my god, now the name escapes me. We had
Speaker 1: one that we arrested out in California that worked on
Speaker 1: aerospace technology. It'll come to me before this day's over.
Speaker 1: But also written notes. We found that a few times
Speaker 1: that they like to take written notes. I'm starting to
Speaker 1: wonder it's sloppy trade craft. It's really sloppy tradecraft, especially
Speaker 1: given the opportunities we have for high quality tradecraft now.
Speaker 1: But maybe he's just old school. And you know, my
Speaker 1: mom always told me never write anything down. He didn't
Speaker 1: want anybody to know. But maybe that's what they trust.
Speaker 1: Because we've seen so much encryption broken. Maybe he just
Speaker 1: trust and pencil, pen and pencil on his person. And
Speaker 1: my assumption would be he never thought anyone was onto him,
Speaker 1: or he wouldn't have brought that back with and state side.
Speaker 1: But that tells you why did he have it on
Speaker 1: his person state side hand off to somebody. So, if
Speaker 1: you think about it, he'd been out of government service
Speaker 1: since two thousand seven. I assume he probably moved back
Speaker 1: to Hong Kong sometime not long after that. So it's
Speaker 1: almost five years and he's still bringing that back with him.
Speaker 1: So was he meeting someone here. Was he going to
Speaker 1: hand that off to someone here? I don't know. So
Speaker 1: that's one of the questions that there would have long
Speaker 1: been rumors within the CIA that there was, you know,
Speaker 1: high level moles, but you never know what to make
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, spies are naturally a little paranoid, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean those those rumors always kind of exist.
Speaker 1: But then when you have all those assets, those agents
Speaker 1: disappearing in China makes you wonder what the hell is
Speaker 1: going on here? Yeah, and they were really well placed
Speaker 1: sources from my understanding, And so when you lose twenty people, yeah,
Speaker 1: it tells you your network is compromised. To use some
Speaker 1: baseball analogies there in some rebuilding years or just the sports.
Speaker 1: The CIA is definitely between that and snowdon If you
Speaker 1: look at what we lost on the China target, everything
Speaker 1: we're in just about Yeah, we're in some serious rebuilding
Speaker 1: years and so um not bringing politics into it at all,
Speaker 1: but you look at the environment how people are feeling
Speaker 1: about our intelligence community as it is, so now the
Speaker 1: paranoia has to be ramped up to a really high level.
Speaker 1: So I feel bad for the people in my old
Speaker 1: positions who are working at target because that's a lot
Speaker 1: of time and energy not to mention real people's lives.
Speaker 1: And the other side of it too is um for
Speaker 1: our adversaries. I mean for China, um, you know, for sure,
Speaker 1: Um for the Russians. I mean it's advantageous for them
Speaker 1: to have our intelligence community will first off, unpopular with
Speaker 1: the American public. Second for them to be wrapped up
Speaker 1: internally and internal counterintelligence investigations. That means you're focused within,
Speaker 1: You're not out there doing your job focused as much.
Speaker 1: It's just a question of dividing your focus and that
Speaker 1: takes a tremendous amount of manpower. It's and look what
Speaker 1: we're talking about six years. It took them six years
Speaker 1: to bring a charge. So from the case officer manpower
Speaker 1: on the c I side and on the positive side
Speaker 1: and on the legal side, I mean, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of time and effort and attention taken away. And there
Speaker 1: must have been some dudes up at the or and
Speaker 1: women also up at the seventh four and Langley like
Speaker 1: beating beads of sweat off their forehead. Is all of
Speaker 1: this is going on like holy shit, Yeah, they're saying
Speaker 1: this is the worst one since Ames and Hans Hanson,
Speaker 1: and we didn't talk about Hanson in any detail. The
Speaker 1: biggest issue with Hanson why he's such a problem, and
Speaker 1: there's a few movies out thereout it. It was a
Speaker 1: counterintelligence guy, right, So that's the epitome of who Watches
Speaker 1: the Watcher? Well, wasn't was it Kim Philby who set
Speaker 1: up American counter intelligence with uh Angleton? Yes, James Jesus
Speaker 1: Angleton and Philby was a defector, wasn't he Philby? Yes,
Speaker 1: he's he was a British he was an m MY
Speaker 1: six guy. So I mean it's like the kind of
Speaker 1: backbone of counter intelligences had this sort of nefarious influence
Speaker 1: in it from the very beginning. Well, that's something we
Speaker 1: talk about on the inside. Who Watches the Watcher? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that's the if you're the adversary and you're going
Speaker 1: to place somebody, that's the best place to put those
Speaker 1: encounter into because they can run top cover for all
Speaker 1: of your agents and different agencies. Yeah, exactly, So we're
Speaker 1: a we are a prime source of recruitment. It's also
Speaker 1: why the CEI person in the room nobody ever wants
Speaker 1: to talk to, because you can't win. You can't win.
Speaker 1: I used to go out to exercises in Hawaii and
Speaker 1: be the only CEI person in the room, and you'd
Speaker 1: be going on high ian. I'm with Blah blah blah
Speaker 1: and Jack Danielle and with the counter intelligence. Yeah, nobody
Speaker 1: invites you out for dinner. Yeah, there's a there's an office.
Speaker 1: How to phrase this there, let's just say an Army
Speaker 1: Special Operations. There's an office and they run um kind
Speaker 1: of like aggressor up for counterintelligence stuff against special Forces exercises.
Speaker 1: And one of them was telling me stories about all
Speaker 1: the nasty stuff they would do to things like going
Speaker 1: break into the colonel's hotel room, lift fingerprints off stuff,
Speaker 1: and then transpose them onto like a mock murder scene,
Speaker 1: and basically for the purposes of the exercise, to show
Speaker 1: them like, hey, you're trying to do unconventional warfare overseas.
Speaker 1: This is how your adversaries could be sabotaging your efforts.
Speaker 1: And like one this guy was telling me how they
Speaker 1: took a bunch of pack clerks and these are just
Speaker 1: so pack corser's regular admin paperwork, as UM gave them
Speaker 1: like a day's worth of tradecraft training, just really basic stuff.
Speaker 1: Sent them down um to one of these big unconventional
Speaker 1: warfare exercises, Um what was the one down in Texas
Speaker 1: that that Alex Jones is all jade Helm sent sent
Speaker 1: guys down, sent these guys down to jade Helm to
Speaker 1: just go and feel things out. And they go into
Speaker 1: like McDonald's and stuff like that. When the s F
Speaker 1: guys were down there and just listen, just listen to
Speaker 1: what they were talking. And they built out the entire
Speaker 1: table of organization for this this Unconventional Warfare task Force US.
Speaker 1: By doing that, that happens a lot. So I did
Speaker 1: that for some of the exercises in paycom On. That
Speaker 1: was sort of the directive is on your way out
Speaker 1: in the airport, in the airport, bar, in the hotel,
Speaker 1: just see what you can pick up. And that's the
Speaker 1: reason they hate the c I person who's doing their
Speaker 1: job because on day one I'm reporting, Hey, you I
Speaker 1: know X, Y and Z about your mission? What how
Speaker 1: do you Because I was sitting behind you in line
Speaker 1: while you're having a beer, Why are you talking about
Speaker 1: this stuff? I remember? Not only was it uh like
Speaker 1: as you were saying, Alex Jones, people want crazy over
Speaker 1: jade Helm the The crazy thing about that was that
Speaker 1: even the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, was like entertaining
Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories. Yeah, I'm gonna go to the bottom
Speaker 1: of those skulls. Yeah. And if you look back on
Speaker 1: sofrem dot com, we reported on all that when it
Speaker 1: was going on and shot down all those conspiracies. And
Speaker 1: now you could look back and there was no nothing
Speaker 1: nefarious with Jade Helmas. The Q did not happen. Well,
Speaker 1: you talk no FEMA camps you were did you say
Speaker 1: you were a part of Robin's Sage, which was similar
Speaker 1: Robin's Sage is different. That's the cumulative exercise at the
Speaker 1: end of the Q course, Okay, and uh, that takes
Speaker 1: place in um, you know, rural North Carolina and what's
Speaker 1: a fictional country called pine Land. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: they were doing with Jade homes sort of the same
Speaker 1: sort of ideas. It's a large scale, unconventional warfare exercise.
Speaker 1: And probably I'm sure, um the one in robin Sage
Speaker 1: is one is run for Q course students, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure what they're doing for um for these guys, Uh,
Speaker 1: the actual O d as, it's probably getting a little
Speaker 1: bit more advanced. It's probably targeting specific countries, specific mission sets. Um.
Speaker 1: So you're probably getting you're drilling down into the nitty gritty,
Speaker 1: I suspect with some of those training exercises, you know.
Speaker 1: So to bring that full circle though, one of the
Speaker 1: things I said in the article about Lee was that
Speaker 1: as great as machine sources are, as all of the
Speaker 1: cyber collection a sign that we do, human sources are
Speaker 1: still the bread and butter. And that's why because they're
Speaker 1: the weakest, target, strongest, and weakest you can do the
Speaker 1: weak link. They are the weak link. People are the
Speaker 1: weak link. It's true, you can get people to talk
Speaker 1: about anything, it doesn't take much. Um. So corporate that
Speaker 1: that's the same in corporate America. If you really want information,
Speaker 1: just find out where you know the admin or the
Speaker 1: accountants or or those people sit and just sit and
Speaker 1: listen and you will learn everything you need to know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go just cruising around Fayetteville outside
Speaker 1: Fort Bragg and just listen to what people are saying
Speaker 1: in coffee shops and stuff, Oh my god, like talking
Speaker 1: about stuff, and a lot of it is just privates
Speaker 1: making stuff up, thankfully. Um. But within that there's also
Speaker 1: people talking about some things that probably shouldn't be talked
Speaker 1: about publicly. A really good idea for a disinformation campaign though,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And people are probably gonna be
Speaker 1: like Jack Murphy, why are you talking about this? And
Speaker 1: it's like listen to bad guys. Know they're already there.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows. The question is why are you guys talking
Speaker 1: about the stuff that you're talking about? Um, but what
Speaker 1: do you coming out of this whole thing with Lee?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's obviously facing uh, you know, federal pound
Speaker 1: you in the a s prison time. Now, let's hope. So, um,
Speaker 1: what do I see? What do you mean? What do
Speaker 1: I see coming out? What do you do? What do
Speaker 1: you think it's going to mean for the intelligence community?
Speaker 1: I think whatever it means is already underway because it's
Speaker 1: a long time coming. I said, they're in the rebuilding phase,
Speaker 1: so hopefully they have been. Vetting internally has always been
Speaker 1: a problem. Um. I mean, I'll be the first one
Speaker 1: to tell you that. Look, we know I'm I'm always
Speaker 1: taking it down this political road again, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of issues about vetting people bath based on ethnicity.
Speaker 1: But that was a problem that we ran into because
Speaker 1: you want to give everybody the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: This is our Chinese American source and he can't possibly returned.
Speaker 1: But you have to think about the connections that they have.
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example we had. We had a
Speaker 1: case I think I can talk. I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: ways to talk about this one. A guy that self
Speaker 1: reported that he had been approached. Great, that's what we
Speaker 1: want self reporting. Six months later we were putting him
Speaker 1: to bed on espionage charges. What happened in the interim,
Speaker 1: we find out is they found a way to get
Speaker 1: to him through his family back in China. Holy shit, right,
Speaker 1: And so I mean he was a good American you know,
Speaker 1: and what he was supposed to do, and they corrupted
Speaker 1: him because they found the weak link and they used
Speaker 1: it against him. So even people with the best intentions.
Speaker 1: So I guess what I'm getting. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much will change. We keep going through this cycle though,
Speaker 1: And we talked we talked about before how that the
Speaker 1: racism meme is something that the Chinese know they can
Speaker 1: use against us because we're culturally sensitive about They tell us,
Speaker 1: they tell their people to use it, and they would
Speaker 1: never I mean the Chinese intelligence services would never hire
Speaker 1: a bunch of American expats or naturalized Americans like that
Speaker 1: would never ever happen, And they don't have to deal
Speaker 1: with the same I mean, I hate to say political correctness,
Speaker 1: because I mean, racism is obviously a horrible thing wherever is.
Speaker 1: But they don't have to deal with that kind of
Speaker 1: bleed off, that cultural mentality that we have in America. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we're kind of hamstrung by that in the sense that
Speaker 1: we we have that sensitivity from an espionage point of
Speaker 1: there's nobody that looks like us working for the Ministry
Speaker 1: of State Security, and that would never happen. It's never
Speaker 1: going to happen. They wouldn't allow it to happen. And
Speaker 1: it's okay, they can do. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll call us racists, but they can, they can.
Speaker 1: They're they're engaged in this, uh, this sort of countrywide
Speaker 1: hegemonic project to harmonize their entire population in the one
Speaker 1: with Tibet and shin Chang and uh and make everyone
Speaker 1: you know, Han Chinese, it's the master race. But we're
Speaker 1: the racists. Yes, you could argue that they're engaged in
Speaker 1: a countrywide eugenics project. That involves everything from the one
Speaker 1: child policy to all kinds of other crazy shit. It's true,
Speaker 1: but they use our our guilt against us. Talked about
Speaker 1: this last time, the shame versus guilt culture. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing. We have, this Western Judeo Christian guilt thing
Speaker 1: that they just don't have to deal with. So and
Speaker 1: you and I had a discussion recently about some of
Speaker 1: our non American brethren are the most racist people on
Speaker 1: the planet. They just don't They don't feel the need
Speaker 1: to to wear the badge of shame about it. They
Speaker 1: just own it. Yeah, And I mean people will say, well,
Speaker 1: it's easy for you to say this as a white dude,
Speaker 1: but I mean, i'd encourage you to talk to minority
Speaker 1: Americans who have traveled abroad and you know about racism
Speaker 1: in America versus racism and say Europe or many other
Speaker 1: places that are like people are racist as so many
Speaker 1: of these places. America has problems too, but I I,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and not nearly as bad as Uh.
Speaker 1: We talked about our role. Yeah, we're pretty open about
Speaker 1: you know, how we have racism in America. It's I'll
Speaker 1: give you an example. This is actually a really funny story, Um,
Speaker 1: when I was sitting around with um iraqis that I
Speaker 1: was training in northern Iraq. This is around two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, and it say to me, They'll be like, Jack,
Speaker 1: you have a real problem with the gays in America.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of gay people in America. You have
Speaker 1: a real problem with them. He's like, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't have them here because we kill them. It's just incredible.
Speaker 1: There's like, well, we don't, we don't have them. It's
Speaker 1: just a total tone deafness that you know that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And yet you know, all the guys I know who
Speaker 1: have been stationed over in the Middle East, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure you can, uh, you know, reciprocate the same comments.
Speaker 1: Is that there's a lot of like behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: it's huge, huge, and yet you know it's forbidden and
Speaker 1: they don't consider they don't identify as homosexual. That's one
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about it. Even though you know Man
Speaker 1: Love Thursday and all of that and goat love too
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan absolutely, um and and in a rack also, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of man on
Speaker 1: man action going so, but they just don't identify and
Speaker 1: so if you don't talk about it doesn't happen. I
Speaker 1: think that's part of it. It's having like a two
Speaker 1: tiered personality, and they're I think they're more comfortable with that.
Speaker 1: In America, we have different ideas about identity. L on
Speaker 1: the Yeah, that's what the kids are calling it, Danielle. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's probably not even that anymore. Should go ahead. Sorry, No,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna reset once again for the people
Speaker 1: watching the live stream. Daniel d z A and Studio,
Speaker 1: who's one of our newest writers. Um was great on
Speaker 1: the podcast last time, so we brought her back in studio.
Speaker 1: Came all the way out from d C, which we appreciate.
Speaker 1: Former counter intelligence officer and instructor with the d I A. UM,
Speaker 1: I know you also wanted to get into Korea, so
Speaker 1: let's get into that. And also if you guys have
Speaker 1: any questions, I know you like us being interactive and
Speaker 1: asking stuff, so UM I'll try to get to those
Speaker 1: at the end. Be sure to like this share it, um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anything that he wanted to talk about involved
Speaker 1: in the craziness with North Korea and South Korea right now,
Speaker 1: especially with just being a couple of weeks away from
Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics in South Korea at the height of
Speaker 1: of craziness going on throughout the world in that region.
Speaker 1: Have we heard yet? Are they actually fielding the women's
Speaker 1: hockey team together in the North. That was the latest
Speaker 1: PR stunt is we're going to put a female, really
Speaker 1: female Korean hockey. That's the way to go. I can't wait. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I yeah, I did a piece on deer leaders cheerleaders,
Speaker 1: which was a pretty good good title, thank you why?
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty good. But so they're sending
Speaker 1: a two plus women cheerleading squad with their two Olympic
Speaker 1: athletes that qualified. I don't even know how they're going
Speaker 1: to feel the hockey team because with just two athletes, well,
Speaker 1: they have a pair of figure skaters, a man and
Speaker 1: a woman who are going. So I'm not but anyway,
Speaker 1: it's fine. I truly believe it's a PR stunt. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's what Kim does. Okay, well, we'll tell you
Speaker 1: we're going to behave during this time. It just gives
Speaker 1: them six more weeks because this was a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago they sat down with the South to continue
Speaker 1: working on our program. They're never going to stop working
Speaker 1: on their nuclear program, and where you know, we get
Speaker 1: into Oh, it's it's Trump's fault. He's he's ratcheted up
Speaker 1: the tensions. I don't think it's that. I will say though,
Speaker 1: that where Kim used to feel, or at least his
Speaker 1: dad and his grandfather used to feel, like keeping South
Speaker 1: Korea hostage with the threat of nuclear tech was enough,
Speaker 1: now it's keeping the United States hostage as well, because
Speaker 1: now he has capability to reach our shores. Um everyone
Speaker 1: in the Intel community pretty much agrees we're within six
Speaker 1: months probably a of true full i CBM capability. But
Speaker 1: right now they could hit us with any impulse, and
Speaker 1: that would they could probably hit Hawaii. Yeah, so let's
Speaker 1: talk about that false alarm in Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: because I was a China hand, I did a lot
Speaker 1: of my time out in paycom. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: tough slog. Twice a year I get to go to
Speaker 1: Hawaii and I know, Yeah, the guys who had to
Speaker 1: go to Center come all the time. It's not fair.
Speaker 1: You chose the wrong target set, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I didn't choose the Army chose former. Well true. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I used to go to Hawaii, lots of a lot
Speaker 1: of friends that are still stationed there, and I start
Speaker 1: seeing my Facebook feed blow up with did anybody else
Speaker 1: get this alert? The hell is this? And so sure enough,
Speaker 1: all of Hawaii gets this false alarm. But then I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw a couple of days
Speaker 1: later they get the same false alarm in Japan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the writers we all started talking about this sounds
Speaker 1: an awful lot like some phase zero info. They're trying
Speaker 1: to desensitize, test the systems, desensitized, cause panic, ratchet at
Speaker 1: the tensions on the peninsula, just like, oh look, look
Speaker 1: it could happen. It was scary for well, who's able
Speaker 1: to make these alerts happen? Is it? Is it Apple?
Speaker 1: Or is it the No? No, So in Hawaii it
Speaker 1: was the State of Hawaiian Emergency system. Doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: person wasn't co opted. I don't know anything about him.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to throw that out there. Did you
Speaker 1: see yesterday article came out about how in that office
Speaker 1: there were pictures published from inside that office where they
Speaker 1: had a little post it note on the screen with
Speaker 1: the password. Yeah, I'm going to guess that there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: They're information security was not that strong. Yeah, the one
Speaker 1: in Japan was not the government, but it was the government,
Speaker 1: and that it was a TV station I believe, but
Speaker 1: like the BBC was actually owned by the government, So
Speaker 1: I mean there's still a government connection, but it I
Speaker 1: was waiting to see if another one would come out
Speaker 1: in the South, would there be a false alarm? But yeah,
Speaker 1: either decense it is. And that follows up on that.
Speaker 1: That fake memo also that was distributed to American families,
Speaker 1: like I'd have to go back, maybe you look it up,
Speaker 1: but it was telling them that they're like time to
Speaker 1: evacuate the peninsula. Like yeah, but it begs the question,
Speaker 1: what is the plan if that happened? Oh yeah, if
Speaker 1: there had been an incoming I CBM to Hawaii. That's it.
Speaker 1: And so I talked to some of my friends that
Speaker 1: are aut like you know, I started writing letters. I
Speaker 1: started thinking to myself and did you do them on
Speaker 1: the computer? Because if you're actually writing them, where are
Speaker 1: they go? Is this what you're referring to jack us
Speaker 1: family personnel in South Korea to to evacuate the country
Speaker 1: in fake Texas care and what what Danielle is referencing
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like what what the military would
Speaker 1: refer to as operational preparation of the environment as U
Speaker 1: S Forces Korea quote did not send this message, Defense
Speaker 1: officials wrote in a follow up Facebook post. Anyone receiving
Speaker 1: this false message should not click any links or opening
Speaker 1: any attachments included in the correspondence. So things like that,
Speaker 1: all these false alarms, it's kind of like you're testing us.
Speaker 1: You're testing our systems to see how fast we'll react.
Speaker 1: What will we do? What are our countermeasures? Do you
Speaker 1: see troops moving to respond? Do you see ships moving? Like?
Speaker 1: What are what are we going? What are we doing?
Speaker 1: It's like firing a test shot basically, so that you
Speaker 1: know how to counteract. That's when something really pops off.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that we did well, No, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem so no, no, especially I need to find
Speaker 1: this picture with the post it. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was on unlike Business Inside or yesterday. But that's
Speaker 1: really But that also goes to the question who makes
Speaker 1: the official alige? And so that's how everybody in Hawaii
Speaker 1: started to realize, at least people that had some savvy
Speaker 1: to this that thirty eight minutes later they finally got
Speaker 1: a stand down, but it wasn't from the same text
Speaker 1: alert system. It was actually the news. So for Hawaii
Speaker 1: they get a text on the phone from the official system.
Speaker 1: The official system never even sent out a a retraction.
Speaker 1: So it was up for what like minutes, thirty eight
Speaker 1: minutes before people started finding out. And by then there's
Speaker 1: video of people running in the streets with their kids,
Speaker 1: because why wouldn't you believe that that's true? Every person
Speaker 1: you see, every wimpy baby look at the same time
Speaker 1: in their phone, So something's up. So trying to find
Speaker 1: underground shelter it was. It was really bad. But I
Speaker 1: wonder what the worst consequences are that we haven't seen,
Speaker 1: Like did anyone get a heart attack just hearing this news,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Things like that? Maybe, I
Speaker 1: mean that's possible, but yeah, you're right. So I think
Speaker 1: they're prepping the environment somebody somebody is. Somebody is, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be necessarily North Korea. No, it
Speaker 1: could be the Russians. That sounds like something trolling they
Speaker 1: would do. Sounds like something the Chinese would do to
Speaker 1: prep for Taiwan. Actually, well that's true, but I feel
Speaker 1: like putin was bored. Let's see what we can make happens.
Speaker 1: He's getting bored with needs something else. Yeah, he's bored
Speaker 1: with old Ed. I miss ed everyone does ed misss ed.
Speaker 1: He's lonely ed up there and fucking Siberia. Did you
Speaker 1: see it? Wasn't there? Didn't he release some app to
Speaker 1: help with your security? Yes, christ I didn't click on it.
Speaker 1: I was afraid between that and Chelsea man and running
Speaker 1: first Senate, I've almost had enough. Well, I'm reaching the
Speaker 1: tip point. I think we're past the tipping point. Chelsea Manning.
Speaker 1: That's ah, that's been one for the news. Hell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got this who apparently lives around or has a
Speaker 1: place around here. Yes, running in my state where I
Speaker 1: currently live, Thank you very much. And that well that
Speaker 1: was that's the same district that's Sam Fattest. Yes. I
Speaker 1: begged Sam, please please get back. I sent him an email.
Speaker 1: I was like, Sam, we need you, budd to take
Speaker 1: a hit for the team. Happen though, I mean, the
Speaker 1: d C area is so incredibly liberal, like the well,
Speaker 1: the voters are like something she's got she's gonna be Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's gonna run in the same problem that Fattest did
Speaker 1: was that he's been in that position for like forty years.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then you're it's like a Chuck Schumer situation.
Speaker 1: Were never We're never having a different senator. You have
Speaker 1: to beat Cardon for the Democratic slot anyway, which is unlikely.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's like the senior senator for the party.
Speaker 1: But can you imagine if they pulled out the old
Speaker 1: white male privilege on him and like, why won't you
Speaker 1: let Chelsea have your spot? Would? I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised if they did that. It's time for a woman
Speaker 1: to break that glass ceiling, right, even if that woman
Speaker 1: has balls. And that's the interesting living now anymore, doesn't
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have not made inquiries. I would
Speaker 1: just say it has to be interesting living there though,
Speaker 1: because even though you know, as liberal as people say
Speaker 1: New York is, there's definitely pockets that are not liberal.
Speaker 1: The d C, the Beltway is is probably some of
Speaker 1: the most liberal you'll you'll find in the COT. But
Speaker 1: it's literally, I believe, because I've looked at numbers before
Speaker 1: and it's been a while, I think it's like between
Speaker 1: eighty and nine percent registered Democrats. Yeah, in Northern Virginia
Speaker 1: and the and Maryland is definitely a blue state. Virginia
Speaker 1: is a swing state, purple leaning way more blue recently,
Speaker 1: although it did no, it didn't go for Trump, did it?
Speaker 1: Northern Virginia didn't. Don't ask me, I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: saw the county. I saw. There are plenty of people
Speaker 1: who are not liberal in Virginia, but they mostly live
Speaker 1: in the southern part. Maryland is fairly liberal. So to
Speaker 1: just to wind things back to North Korea, but because
Speaker 1: there were a couple of things I wanted to mention
Speaker 1: on that, um, Well, one was, this isn't the first
Speaker 1: time the Olympics have been hosted in South Korea. Last
Speaker 1: time was and there was a big issue, a big
Speaker 1: fear that the North Koreans would send terror cells and
Speaker 1: things like that into the South and just re havoc. Um.
Speaker 1: And that was why US Special Forces and there were
Speaker 1: some Delta operators involved, stood up South Korean counter terrorism
Speaker 1: units and did a lot of work getting ready to
Speaker 1: prepare for that threat. Are doing that again, Um, we
Speaker 1: have maintained a persistent presence, um, you know. And I
Speaker 1: wrote a long article on softwarep which everyone can go
Speaker 1: read now that the paywalls down, about Special Forces Detachment
Speaker 1: Kay Detachment, Korea. So there's been a long term, persistent
Speaker 1: engagement between US Special Forces and Korean special Forces UM
Speaker 1: and in a time of war, they would come together
Speaker 1: in a joint unconventional warfare task force, and there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of battle plans for that. UM So, I have
Speaker 1: no doubt that they're doing the preparatory work in the
Speaker 1: run up to the Olympics. I'm sure they are. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of intelligence work going on on
Speaker 1: the peninsula. They're being kept very busy. Bay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's crazy. Everybody throws that out there.
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not certifiably insane. It's not that. But
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, we should talk about you mentioned
Speaker 1: to me yesterday. No one ever talks about North Korea.
Speaker 1: Who really whose fault is North Korea? Yeah, everyone thinks
Speaker 1: so well as Americans were obsessed with America, and we think, yeah,
Speaker 1: we think everything that happens in the world. If you know,
Speaker 1: if if a bot fly farts in Brazil, it's America's
Speaker 1: far fault. Um And and there are things that America
Speaker 1: has tremendous influence around the world, and we do all
Speaker 1: kinds of stupid things and make mistakes. Um, But a
Speaker 1: lot of things that happened locally involved local, local situations,
Speaker 1: and it's not all about America all of the time. UM.
Speaker 1: So I think it's funny how like we kind of
Speaker 1: turn on ourselves, like, oh, North Korea's America's fault. Um.
Speaker 1: I see all this reporting that, uh that North Korea
Speaker 1: has heavily invested in nuclear because they see America removing
Speaker 1: dictators like Saddam Hussein Gadaffi, people who if they had
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons would not have been removed. It's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one factor that plays into it. Sure, and that's
Speaker 1: something we should think about in terms of American foreign policy.
Speaker 1: You can't disprove the negative though. He was he was.
Speaker 1: He was fucking dictatorial communist tyrant before any of that.
Speaker 1: North Korea was a communist regime, a criminal regime before
Speaker 1: any of that. Yes, I mean they're murderous of their
Speaker 1: own people, which is very typical communism. People don't like
Speaker 1: to And this whole thing started in right after World
Speaker 1: War Two, and the people who propped up North Korea
Speaker 1: was the USSR and read China, and that continues to
Speaker 1: this day. The USSR obviously collapsed, but Russia and China
Speaker 1: continue to support North Korea, the only reason North Korea
Speaker 1: is still trucking along. So why the hell is this
Speaker 1: all America's fault? Because I read an article in The Intercept,
Speaker 1: our favorite news outlet, The Intercept had this article in
Speaker 1: there that was so surreal. It was saying that the
Speaker 1: reason why North Korea remains so antagonistic to towards the
Speaker 1: West is because we dropped too many bombs on them
Speaker 1: during the Korean War. Like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: We killed a bunch of communists during the Korean War,
Speaker 1: and you're saying that what happened today that that all
Speaker 1: of this antagonism is because of the Korean War. I mean, obviously, yes,
Speaker 1: the Korean War left a profound impact on the Korean peninsula,
Speaker 1: no question about that. But is this really why Kim
Speaker 1: Jong the Un is stirring up all this ship with
Speaker 1: us today because of the Korean War? Because he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: my people were bombed by Americans. No that he doesn't
Speaker 1: give a shit about them. Now, that's Kim John Cartman
Speaker 1: looks just like him. It's the same same round head. No,
Speaker 1: But if you asked any of the Koreans who were
Speaker 1: subject to ju Che ideology, they'll tell you the same.
Speaker 1: Everything is the Great Satan's because they have to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows better, he because he gets to travel and
Speaker 1: build up his Hennessey collection. And you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was in Korea, um what like six no more
Speaker 1: than six months ago at this point, and it was
Speaker 1: interesting to talk to people there. I mean, I met
Speaker 1: with people in the US military, but I also met
Speaker 1: with obviously civilians, South Korean civilians, And like, there's this
Speaker 1: big divide because you know, if you think in generations past,
Speaker 1: there are people who have these memories of when the
Speaker 1: Korean Peninsula was united, um, these memories of when they
Speaker 1: were one country, and memories of course of Japanese colonialism. Uh,
Speaker 1: all these sorts of things. But now we have a
Speaker 1: younger generation in South kore area who have no memory
Speaker 1: whatsoever of the United Korea, and those relatives don't they're
Speaker 1: not as relevant to them like the older generation. They
Speaker 1: remember brothers and sisters and cousins that are on the
Speaker 1: other side. But and South Korea has been prosperous, They've
Speaker 1: done very well for themselves. So if you're a college student,
Speaker 1: young kid in South Korea is uniting the Korean peninsula.
Speaker 1: You're a priority. No, it's probably probably on the list
Speaker 1: of political issues you have. That's probably like way down
Speaker 1: there somewhere. You want to talk about a refugee crisis,
Speaker 1: that would be a refugee crisis. Yeah, it would be horrendous, right,
Speaker 1: because not only the starvation, but just the lack of
Speaker 1: understanding of basic modern culture. It was a modern culture.
Speaker 1: Imagine the amount of trauma that those people have suffered
Speaker 1: under since n even even before, because they suffered greatly
Speaker 1: under Japanese colonialism as well since then today under it's
Speaker 1: been worse by their own their own people. And we
Speaker 1: talked about the cheerleaders before. They'll come out well fed
Speaker 1: there the few. Yeah, they're the elite who actually get
Speaker 1: two chickens a week instead of just one, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Nobody's as well fed as as Cartman is. But um,
Speaker 1: but I remember crazy Fat Kid, as McCain says, I
Speaker 1: remember a guy that worked at Dead k You did
Speaker 1: some surreptitious work across the border talking about you know,
Speaker 1: you get out into the fields and you see these
Speaker 1: guys that look like potatoes on toothpicks is what he
Speaker 1: called them, because they're so bloated from being malnourished and
Speaker 1: then on these spendy little legs, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: it could be three years ago, nothing's changed and the
Speaker 1: way they're doing that, and so can you imagine the
Speaker 1: flood of those people across the border who have never
Speaker 1: seen a television couldn't possibly understand. I feel like we
Speaker 1: may have talked about this on on the podcast once before,
Speaker 1: but in my conversations with people over there, they were
Speaker 1: telling me that things have changed over the last say
Speaker 1: ten years in that what's happening is that the South
Speaker 1: Korea or I'm sorry, the North Korean people, they're just
Speaker 1: regular farmers and things like that. What they're doing is
Speaker 1: they're engaged in black market trade across the Chinese border,
Speaker 1: including south marijuana and UH and sometimes what they're getting
Speaker 1: as payment includes um smuggled DVDs. So what they're doing
Speaker 1: is when the when you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the night, they're you know, bunkering down inside their house
Speaker 1: and they're playing UM. They're actually big fans of South
Speaker 1: Korean soap operas and there that's what they think the
Speaker 1: real world is like. Well, they're what they're through that
Speaker 1: they're learning how life kinda is in South Korea and
Speaker 1: that there's this this myth that this the myth and
Speaker 1: North Korea is that the South has it really bad.
Speaker 1: They're the ones who have really suffered. They think the
Speaker 1: entire world has it worse off than they do. So
Speaker 1: they're watching these these DVDs and these soap operas, and
Speaker 1: they're coming to learn they can relate to it a
Speaker 1: little bit because they're like, these are the Korean people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But at the same time they're seeing how radically different
Speaker 1: their lives are. We did talk about this because I
Speaker 1: mentioned that the Russian defector that I talked to said
Speaker 1: that that's part of what prompted him to defect is
Speaker 1: flying into the United States for the first time and
Speaker 1: seeing all of the swimming pools. It's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what the fun you guys have been telling us that,
Speaker 1: you know, we in Russia standing in lines you know,
Speaker 1: for bread this, and and he was elite. It was
Speaker 1: gru but wait a minute, they all have pools? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Well, that's why I think, you know,
Speaker 1: we should trust our culture a little bit more than
Speaker 1: we do, you know. But all this like beating up
Speaker 1: on ourselves. And it's good to have self criticism, but
Speaker 1: I think we take it over the line and beat
Speaker 1: beat ourselves up and attack each other way more than
Speaker 1: we should. We should have a little bit more trust
Speaker 1: in America and in the American system. Um, just like
Speaker 1: I think the South Koreans can trust in the South
Speaker 1: their system and their culture that you know, they really
Speaker 1: do and they have formed a better way of life
Speaker 1: for themselves. They have this better alternative than the communist
Speaker 1: system that exists in the North. But we're addicted to
Speaker 1: being outraged here in America. No we're not. I don't
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be able to tell people to stop
Speaker 1: being outraged over every little thing here. Oh yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna sizing everything. Well, it's what I was
Speaker 1: I was actually saying this yesterday. We well, you know,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna listen to what I'm saying. But my
Speaker 1: triple blonde espresso was not smooth enough this point. There
Speaker 1: is that by the way, that's like a it's like
Speaker 1: a generational issue and our generation isn't going to be
Speaker 1: able to deal with that. But I think, like say,
Speaker 1: like my kids and your kids I think they're the ones,
Speaker 1: like the millennials are really going to feel the brunt
Speaker 1: of it. They're gonna end up in mental institutions because
Speaker 1: they don't know how to deal with how well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they don't know how to filter that out that's true? Well,
Speaker 1: you well, what it's that you know, you and I
Speaker 1: we remember a rotary telephone, a type or all the
Speaker 1: ship that existed before the Internet. Millennials don't remember any
Speaker 1: of that. They grew up in the digital age, so
Speaker 1: they don't remember life before Facebook. Yeah, they don't know
Speaker 1: how to turn that ship off and everything is readily
Speaker 1: accessible and they expected to be and I don't. I
Speaker 1: think millennials are really going to feel the brunt of
Speaker 1: that because of that media saturation, that information saturation. And
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take a whole generation. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be like my kid or your kids
Speaker 1: who are a little younger now, they're gonna be the
Speaker 1: ones who are going to have to figure out how
Speaker 1: to use these technologies in a more healthy, productive way. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's probably going to be very different than the
Speaker 1: way we use social media today. What was the was
Speaker 1: the slogan in the sixties to tune in, turnout? What
Speaker 1: is it? Tune in? Wow? Now I'm forgetting what? Yeah? Right,
Speaker 1: like the LSD culture. Um, someone's gonna tell us, come
Speaker 1: on someone on Facebook. Man. We brought up Frank Zappa
Speaker 1: on the last show, and now we're talking about Well,
Speaker 1: I bring it up because I feel like tune in
Speaker 1: drop out there you go to. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a new version of that. They're so able to tune
Speaker 1: into everything that now they've dropped out of paying attention
Speaker 1: to anything interesting. Fact. You know who guarded Timothy Leary's
Speaker 1: LSD Web, Michael Savage as in like the conservative radio host. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look you look it up. Really yeah, he he lived
Speaker 1: like a wildlife in California. You know, has has a
Speaker 1: also has a doctorate in botany and an alternative medicine.
Speaker 1: And then he became like as in physical security for Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did some type of security work there at the
Speaker 1: LSD Web. You go, you could look it up, because
Speaker 1: I've looked at that might explain any this. You know,
Speaker 1: very right wing radio host, but unlike most of them,
Speaker 1: has just a really bizarre background. Well, you know that
Speaker 1: the new counterculture is to turn it all off. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it's to go native, right, and uh, like I started
Speaker 1: over like you know, maybe like the last six months,
Speaker 1: I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons with my daughter. I
Speaker 1: love you. It's all pencil and paper and everything, and
Speaker 1: you're sitting there playing this. It's it's basically a high
Speaker 1: speed board game. That's really what I'm just worried for
Speaker 1: you that stranger things is going to start. I know
Speaker 1: me too. Um, but I was reading this article about it.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the New Yorker actually, and
Speaker 1: it was saying that D and D is like actually
Speaker 1: getting like really popular and taken off with a lot
Speaker 1: of people because it's like seen as this counterculture thing,
Speaker 1: like turn your cell phone off, throw that in a bag,
Speaker 1: and sit down and actually do this kind of thing
Speaker 1: that's for like, you know, just like old school. I
Speaker 1: mean my kids, My kids play Trivial Pursuit and YACHTSI
Speaker 1: for the break. But hey, every now and again, I'll
Speaker 1: play um scrabble with my parents because they live one
Speaker 1: town over. Like, yeah, I agree, it's nice to turn
Speaker 1: all this crap off sometimes as we're on Facebook, Live
Speaker 1: and Twitch and YouTube, as I'm saying talk about but
Speaker 1: just to just to fact check, myself here. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is Wikipedia. You can look it up further. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my Savage worked for the famous psychedelic drug advocate Timothy Leary,
Speaker 1: is keeper of the stone Gatehouse of stone on the
Speaker 1: Hitchcock Cattle Company in state in Millbrook, New York, to
Speaker 1: which Leary had been given access to. Leary hired him
Speaker 1: to the post because Savage did not use LSD himself. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's interesting, very out there fact, but just throwing
Speaker 1: it out there. Um, we will take, by the way,
Speaker 1: questions for any of you guys who have any D.
Speaker 1: I Ah, we're getting a ton of questions. I do
Speaker 1: want to throw it absolutely real quick before we take
Speaker 1: one question. I was gonna I was going to mention
Speaker 1: the year of you stuff before you get into question. Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna turn into this. I said. I
Speaker 1: was playing the games with my kids. Was going to
Speaker 1: break out some card games, but the only card that
Speaker 1: I had at the time were the recent Greate Club
Speaker 1: with the girls and the guns, which is fine. My
Speaker 1: sons are eight and eleven, and my eight year old
Speaker 1: is inappropriately attached to boobs at this point like he's
Speaker 1: a thing, So I have to Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I knew too. So I every
Speaker 1: time I get a great my husband takes something out
Speaker 1: of it because it comes to the house in Ohio
Speaker 1: before I get it. And I get a text the
Speaker 1: other day with a picture of the cars. He's like,
Speaker 1: these are mine. It's like, yeah, okay, fine, you can
Speaker 1: have him. He stole that in the bottle Breacher out
Speaker 1: of this one. See if you have a question, to
Speaker 1: shoot him over and we'll take them in just a
Speaker 1: little bit. We really do appreciate you guys tuning in
Speaker 1: and we do like to be interactive. But yeah, you've
Speaker 1: been doing some gear reviews from a female perspective for
Speaker 1: the load out Room, which I know Scott Whittner's watching
Speaker 1: right now. Um, but yeah, it's I think people are
Speaker 1: interested in seeing that because I know, great club it
Speaker 1: is geared towards men, but there are females like yourself
Speaker 1: who were into and we should mention that to marketing
Speaker 1: is straight geared towards me. We don't. We don't mention
Speaker 1: it enough that. Um. The load out Room is another
Speaker 1: website we run that is all gear and guns. Check
Speaker 1: it out load at room dot com. Yeah, so long
Speaker 1: before I was, you know, I said that in my
Speaker 1: gear review before I was here as part of the
Speaker 1: Softwrep team. I was a great club member. I love
Speaker 1: my stuff because I love gear. Again, Tom always steals
Speaker 1: something out of it every single time. You didn't get this,
Speaker 1: and we're just talking about I gave the slide belt
Speaker 1: to my stepfather for Christmas. He loves that. I love
Speaker 1: it too. Although it's um, it's a little bulky for
Speaker 1: the they need a girl version of that one. See,
Speaker 1: this is a smaller buckle. So Scott and I talked
Speaker 1: about there are plenty of women who tune in the
Speaker 1: softwarep radio, who read load up, who do this and
Speaker 1: either they liked the gear or they want to buy
Speaker 1: the gear for the men in their life, the dad,
Speaker 1: their husband, you know, their kids, whatever, and so it's
Speaker 1: nice to get that female perspective. So I just did
Speaker 1: my first gear review of the latest. I think it
Speaker 1: was the pro Krate Scott, you can you can write
Speaker 1: in there it was the pro Krate, I think, And um,
Speaker 1: look I'm wearing one of them today, got my nick
Speaker 1: knife on. And what she showed us. For some reason,
Speaker 1: someone was a stalker. No you were, well, I was
Speaker 1: going to mention that someone I guess at the site
Speaker 1: was uptight about you posting that it is sports bra,
Speaker 1: which I thought kind of cool. I did have so
Speaker 1: so that's kind of the interesting thing about the female perspective. So, Jack,
Speaker 1: what a couple of weeks ago you posted a picture
Speaker 1: for us just the team. I loved. Look, I got
Speaker 1: my neck knife. I'm sorry, I love that little guy.
Speaker 1: It's great, right, you know, something like that either around
Speaker 1: the neck or on the belt down here, because you know,
Speaker 1: if you get into a into a fight with somebody,
Speaker 1: and a lot more people have b j J training
Speaker 1: these days than in the past, and the first thing
Speaker 1: they're going to try to do is go for a
Speaker 1: submission hold. And if somebody does think that hold in
Speaker 1: there pretty tied around your neck, that just comes out
Speaker 1: and you start tearing right through that flash you do
Speaker 1: you have to be willing. That was one of the
Speaker 1: questions I got on my review is I don't know
Speaker 1: how comfortable I would feel using a knife. It is
Speaker 1: it's a different mentality than using a gun. You still
Speaker 1: feel separated if you have what if you read that
Speaker 1: book on killing he calls killing at the sexual range,
Speaker 1: you're right on top of the person. So wait a minute.
Speaker 1: So I'm pulling out my other at the sexual range
Speaker 1: toy I got at this sexual range to the hold.
Speaker 1: This is a family show, Danielle, Is it really? Is
Speaker 1: it really? Jack? So this was the other thing that
Speaker 1: one of the other ones I reviewed, and that was
Speaker 1: our custom made. That thing is bad as yeah. Wait
Speaker 1: what are we calling it? So I just I call
Speaker 1: it my pen of death. But it's we Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: Jim West would love something like this because he's all
Speaker 1: about the Delta Dart. He loves these things because they're
Speaker 1: a legal too. I mean they're street legal wherever you go.
Speaker 1: So it's a real pen. You can unscrew the top
Speaker 1: and it's a real pen. Right, But then this end
Speaker 1: is made out of tungsten and you can break that
Speaker 1: glass with it. You can pierce metal and the Mandalais Hotel,
Speaker 1: daniel I'll take it easy, all right, all right, come on,
Speaker 1: I can't see it on can But actually, above Danielle,
Speaker 1: we have the poster for a hundred Deadly Skills, which
Speaker 1: basically describes what you can do with that pen whacking somebody.
Speaker 1: If you've seen John Wick, you know how to kill people.
Speaker 1: I was going to say it reminds me of the
Speaker 1: scene in Casino. Yes, well that's what I said, Casino
Speaker 1: or on Wick. Then you know, this can pierce a
Speaker 1: jugular or somebody's inner thigh pretty and like you hold
Speaker 1: it like this, put it right into their neck. See
Speaker 1: Jack's practicing. Just don't do it to me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so so I'm trying to do some gear reviews from
Speaker 1: from a female perspective, like going back to let's talk
Speaker 1: about boobs again. But I mean that's something you guys
Speaker 1: don't have to think about. It's great to have a knife,
Speaker 1: but I actually feel like I could use a little support. God, well,
Speaker 1: you can't put the knife in between the girls because
Speaker 1: then you can't pull it out under your shirt. And
Speaker 1: so it's yeah, there were some issues I had to
Speaker 1: talk about that. Ways to layer the clothes so you
Speaker 1: could still be deadly makes sense. It does on a
Speaker 1: day like today where you're wearing like a hoodie though
Speaker 1: and all that that. I was going to say the
Speaker 1: same thing with the survival belt, like in an outfit
Speaker 1: like that, I don't you know, when you said it's bulky,
Speaker 1: it's not really because I've worn and it's you know,
Speaker 1: on with an outfit like that. I think you could
Speaker 1: rock it if you were out like at a bar
Speaker 1: dressed up. Absolutely not, And I'd be wearing my tactical
Speaker 1: five eleven survival belt and Shot shows coming, Danielle, No,
Speaker 1: not for me, Jack, It's not coming for me. So
Speaker 1: business business tactical is the dress code out So what
Speaker 1: are you wearing? Curious? We'll do a little fashion on software. Um,
Speaker 1: who are you wearing? Cargo cargo pants, gerber knife clipped
Speaker 1: on in the pocket. I haven't decided if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wear Merrels or Solomon Boots. Hey now my Meryl song
Speaker 1: right now? Probably a collared shirt from from Columbia? Did
Speaker 1: you borrow that from a marine ball cap? American flag
Speaker 1: ball cap? Name tape on the on the back. And
Speaker 1: you're joking though, because you you wear the same thing
Speaker 1: you wear every day, right like? Which is I dressed
Speaker 1: like a bomb? People at Shot will be in that outfit. Well,
Speaker 1: some of our audience would would say you dress like
Speaker 1: a hipster. Apparently, I don't know where the where the
Speaker 1: hipster thing comes from them. I guess it's because you
Speaker 1: had the glasses on. Maybe you need Chuck Taylor's you
Speaker 1: know you know where these classes came from, Mother Army.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, are those there? These were the
Speaker 1: alternatives to the bcgs when the Army finally decided, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to issue the troops with some non bcgs.
Speaker 1: So how old is that prescription? Eight years? So can
Speaker 1: you actually see, Yeah, it's about that. I've been wearing
Speaker 1: glasses or contacts since i was like twelve years old,
Speaker 1: so my eyes are kind of like where they're at.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not going to change that much always.
Speaker 1: I hope not. As a writer, i'd be really fucked.
Speaker 1: I remember one year a shot show, I was the
Speaker 1: only person wearing Jordan's and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: definitely not how people dressed in New York, but it
Speaker 1: is what it is. I'm gonna wear the same ship
Speaker 1: that I'm wearing today. I'm wearing a your hoodie. But
Speaker 1: then then you have to do you also have to
Speaker 1: ask yourself the question is it does it become a
Speaker 1: thing where it is like the the informal dress code
Speaker 1: for the show, where like people feel obligated to dress
Speaker 1: like that to fit the part, or do they really
Speaker 1: dress like that year round? Terry Shapherd I remember like
Speaker 1: like being always the rebel was wearing some you know order,
Speaker 1: it's wearing like a sweater. Yeah, because I think it's
Speaker 1: cool to also not give a fun personally. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so getting into the questions that people have, there's a
Speaker 1: ton of them on YouTube, on twitch, on Facebook. So
Speaker 1: I'll get to what I can hear um and shoot
Speaker 1: them out and we'll get to what we can. George
Speaker 1: Maccaria on YouTube asks how good is North Korean intelligence? Oh, George,
Speaker 1: they're as good as the Chinese allow them to be,
Speaker 1: um and not to scart the question. They have an
Speaker 1: intelligence arm Um. They do have some decent skills. Actually
Speaker 1: in cyber they're pretty good, believe it or not. But
Speaker 1: they've again they've gained that skill from help the Chinese
Speaker 1: and the Russian. Yeah, I mean they're nowhere near as
Speaker 1: good as as any of the other major countries, but
Speaker 1: they are so supported by those two major players, and
Speaker 1: the Iranians for that matter, that they're formidable enough. Back
Speaker 1: in the old days, they really did send like terror
Speaker 1: ourselves south, like I'm talking like nineteen sixties, but they
Speaker 1: stayed on peninsula, Yes, on peninsula, like wipe out villages
Speaker 1: and ships. So thank god we're not seeing stuff like
Speaker 1: that anymore. Or do you have any familiarity with these
Speaker 1: really odd cases where the North Koreans were kidnapping Japanese girls? Yes,
Speaker 1: I do. What the what the is all I can
Speaker 1: say about that? It really was just a bringing some
Speaker 1: hot new chicks across for Dear Leader. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of it was that there were some ransom
Speaker 1: cases there. It was ways to make money, there was something.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't about like training their spies about Japanese culture.
Speaker 1: It was really just some of that. But there was
Speaker 1: a side side project which was for Dear Leader. But
Speaker 1: yes they do, I mean, and you see them try
Speaker 1: to pose as Japanese quite a bit. Um are a
Speaker 1: lot of the yakuza ethnically Korean. I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 1: That would be a question for one of our friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think we've talked about about the Odyssean
Speaker 1: would know for sure you were you were saying, how
Speaker 1: you know you're the only female on staff here but
Speaker 1: not a regular And I believe who wrote an article
Speaker 1: for US, Cheyenne Martin for US. I think she wrote something.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. She might have submitted something I
Speaker 1: could be off on this, but anyway, she's watching as
Speaker 1: she often does. Do you have any tips on learning
Speaker 1: a difficult language, especially Chinese? Is it better to dabble
Speaker 1: in one dialect or to be familiar with several if possible,
Speaker 1: like Shanghai, Beijing, ETCETERA really good question, Chien. So Chinese
Speaker 1: dialects are they might as well be different languages altogether.
Speaker 1: So speaking of Shanghai dialect versus Cantonese versus Mandarin, the
Speaker 1: written language is the same, but the spoken is completely different.
Speaker 1: So in that sense, to answer your specific question, be
Speaker 1: better to just focus on one um, get the written down,
Speaker 1: and then go to the next one, because you'd be
Speaker 1: learning two completely different languages at the same time. The
Speaker 1: intonation is totally different. Mandarin, for example, only has four tones.
Speaker 1: Cantonese has nine. So Cantonese that's why I was talking
Speaker 1: about earlier. They use it as encryption because if you
Speaker 1: we may have translators. FBI may have a Mandarin translator
Speaker 1: on the phone, but if they don't speak Cantonese, and
Speaker 1: these guys flip to Cantonese on surveillance, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to wait to play the tapes back later in
Speaker 1: real time, so you'd have to have several dialects. So
Speaker 1: we have seen the Chinese do that, like switch to
Speaker 1: several had a friend in the Philippines telling me about
Speaker 1: the difference between like the Chinese mentality and just the
Speaker 1: sort of like layers of culture that we don't even see.
Speaker 1: And he was telling me, like, you know, one of
Speaker 1: my Chinese friends, he's a Chinese businessman, was telling him
Speaker 1: how He's like, you know, you guys, you need like
Speaker 1: analysts notebook to do like all these link chart analysis
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He's like, we do that genetically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did. We just see that it's the angle like
Speaker 1: that whole because they network for it's part of generation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just part of the DNA. But one other thing
Speaker 1: to Shin's question as far as a difficult, Chinese is
Speaker 1: actually one of the easier languages to learn grammatically than
Speaker 1: some of the romance languages because you don't have to
Speaker 1: conjugate anything. Now, um, if you have a musical ear,
Speaker 1: it's much easier because it's a tonal language, so you
Speaker 1: do have a lot to remember, but you don't conjugate anything.
Speaker 1: There's no male female like you don't you don't need
Speaker 1: a word for cup, like, oh, is my cup a
Speaker 1: male or female in the car, So that makes it
Speaker 1: much easier. It's very specific. But really find a native
Speaker 1: and just do immersion training. That's the best way with
Speaker 1: with those kinds of languages. You just because there's no
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason, there's too many exceptions to rules and
Speaker 1: to get the Okay, I'm gonna stop for a minute.
Speaker 1: Something that pisces me off all the time. The current
Speaker 1: president of China's name is she Jin Ping. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not g it's not. You will hear commentators in
Speaker 1: America here someone say she she she she all the
Speaker 1: time and then they'll turn right around and go gi
Speaker 1: gen ping, No, it's not. So spend time with somebody
Speaker 1: who is a native speaker, so that you just learned
Speaker 1: to pick up the way things are the x I right,
Speaker 1: she it's she. I mean, it could be she she.
Speaker 1: I mean there's different, there's the tones, but it's it's she.
Speaker 1: Like we would say s a g um and yeah
Speaker 1: it's a but see go back to what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't see that in Cantonese because that x I
Speaker 1: and that's that's a very specific Yeah, it's a very
Speaker 1: specific transliteration of the way that Um, even the ways
Speaker 1: we could find out who was on the intel side,
Speaker 1: the way things were written, certain transliteration you'd only see
Speaker 1: in Taiwan, some transliteration you'd only see from the PRC.
Speaker 1: So false flag operations were easier to find for a while.
Speaker 1: And they learned, Yeah, learn So my memory did serve
Speaker 1: me correct. Cheyenne rode An op ed when Elliott Abrahams
Speaker 1: came to Georgetown, UM and Frewmtarius uploaded it. So and
Speaker 1: I did read. I knew that she wrote a piece. Um,
Speaker 1: this is a good this is a good question for you, Jack. Uh.
Speaker 1: Were there any Tier one operations that happened in the
Speaker 1: DPRK And how do Green Beret is getting into debt?
Speaker 1: K Uh? Well, the answer to the first question is no,
Speaker 1: No one's going across the d m Z. UM. You'll
Speaker 1: hear stories and rumors and all kinds of bullshit. It's
Speaker 1: that it's bullshit. There's there's no fucking guys doing halo
Speaker 1: ops into North Korea. There's no seals coming up on shore,
Speaker 1: because I mean they would just it just wouldn't work.
Speaker 1: It's a non permissible environment. It's a denied environment. UM
Speaker 1: Special Forces Detachment k UM. It's just a question of
Speaker 1: their green berets. They are assigned a first Special Forces
Speaker 1: Group and DEBT K is. There are other um O
Speaker 1: d as both from first group and some of the
Speaker 1: National Guard DREW who are going into South Korea for
Speaker 1: exercises and to help out and things like that. But
Speaker 1: DEBT K is the resident team that stays there. UM
Speaker 1: to get in there and do a tour there, do
Speaker 1: two years or whatever, and and some guys fall in
Speaker 1: love with that job and they come back and they
Speaker 1: do a second and a third and they just want
Speaker 1: to stay there. UM. It's just something you'll have to request. UM.
Speaker 1: I think they're looking for mostly senior E seven's senior
Speaker 1: n c O s UM to be able to work
Speaker 1: in a sort of independent environment. And their job is
Speaker 1: to go in liaison with UM with South Korean Special Forces.
Speaker 1: And how good there that relationship is is really dependent
Speaker 1: up to that individual and he. You know, the guys
Speaker 1: have told me, there's like some dudes, they're not very good.
Speaker 1: If they're not good at your job, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: playing cards with the privates in the motor pool. If
Speaker 1: you're good at your job, you're going to be in
Speaker 1: the office right next to the general. Um. So it's
Speaker 1: really all about maintaining those relationships. And the reason why
Speaker 1: Detachment K exists today, um because the Army has wanted
Speaker 1: to get rid of it a couple of times. UM
Speaker 1: is because South Korean Special Forces said, no, we want
Speaker 1: our green berets here with us. Yeah, so they were
Speaker 1: they You know that that partnership and that relationship is
Speaker 1: so critical, and the guys who have come through Debt
Speaker 1: K year after year after year, they've really built something
Speaker 1: special there. And I think it um sets a great
Speaker 1: example for what special forces can accomplish with persistent, long
Speaker 1: term engagements. And you know, I think that's that's a
Speaker 1: sort of program that I'd encourage any you know, young
Speaker 1: special Forces guy to take an interest in. And I
Speaker 1: think it's an example that we should stand up in
Speaker 1: other countries, like, for example, in the Philippines. That's a
Speaker 1: place where we should have a resident team. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you so saying that my screenplay for
Speaker 1: the Halo ops with Debt K should probably stand down.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if war pops off, things are going
Speaker 1: to start moving right. Um, if you read uh Dalton
Speaker 1: Fear his novel he has a joint Delta Seal Team
Speaker 1: six operation where they go into North Korea, and I
Speaker 1: mean it's well, it's well written. It's a cool book,
Speaker 1: you know, which I should say rest in peace? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he passed away Tom greer Um from cancer way too young. Really,
Speaker 1: he was the Delta Force commander who led the operation
Speaker 1: going after Ben Lawden right after nine eleven, and then
Speaker 1: became a fiction writer. And then yeah, you wrote a
Speaker 1: book about that called Kill Ben Lawden. And then he
Speaker 1: wrote a whole series of novels that are really really good.
Speaker 1: Your next book should be about decay we DeCamp. Well,
Speaker 1: the next book to the memoir, Well, no, I mean
Speaker 1: his next fiction, the next the next novel. It's it's
Speaker 1: like a third of the way written. It's it's about
Speaker 1: vigilantes stuff in the United States. All right, I'm ready
Speaker 1: for that one. So questions George mccarya, what missions are
Speaker 1: assigned to d I A and which ones go to
Speaker 1: the c I A. Well, George, I would tell you,
Speaker 1: but then i'd have where's George. Um. Oh that's a
Speaker 1: tough one. CIA is not authorized to operate inside the
Speaker 1: United States. Let's just put that out there for now.
Speaker 1: That's what they do with waivers. And I'm not answering
Speaker 1: that deck that's on you. You can say that if
Speaker 1: you want, but but no, so that that's part of it.
Speaker 1: So not to make it too simplified, but d I
Speaker 1: is just that the Defense Intelligence Agency. So wherever there
Speaker 1: is a U. S Military mission, d I A would
Speaker 1: also have jurisdiction and a mission there. CIA is its
Speaker 1: own foreign intelligence collection capability, So in other words, they're
Speaker 1: supposed to operate outside the United States. FBI has jurisdiction
Speaker 1: for anything that happens inside. And you can go down
Speaker 1: that road if you want to talk about well here,
Speaker 1: here's just an interesting thing that people freak out and
Speaker 1: they say, well, to see how it doesn't work in
Speaker 1: the United States for the United for the CIA to
Speaker 1: try to recruit a foreign citizen. So let's say a
Speaker 1: guy who works for a ministry in Aran or something
Speaker 1: comes to the United States. It is totally illegal for
Speaker 1: the CIA to try to recruit that. Yes, so in
Speaker 1: that sense that they do blur the lines. But um,
Speaker 1: George d A has a counter intelligence and a positive
Speaker 1: collection for an intelligence mission. Both CIA is they have both,
Speaker 1: but their CEI presence is really small. It's really more
Speaker 1: of like an internal internal affairs division if anything else.
Speaker 1: So d A does both where c I and FBI
Speaker 1: sort of split the the mission on the other two.
Speaker 1: If that answers your question or not? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it does this question. I have no idea what this
Speaker 1: guy is referring to, so hopefully you guys can fill
Speaker 1: me in if this if you have any knowledge of it, um,
Speaker 1: and at least filling the audience, Um Daniel, Daniel Rodriguez,
Speaker 1: what's Jack and your guest Danielle's thoughts on the Happy
Speaker 1: Few Symphony ordinance controversy, cheers. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: that is in reference? Is that a symphony in career something?
Speaker 1: I have no idea? Yeah, you have to fill us in,
Speaker 1: Um Daniel, what is that? And should I be the
Speaker 1: Happy Few Symphony IM coordinate? Well, there's an interesting and
Speaker 1: I know this because I took a class in East
Speaker 1: Asian music when I was in college. Their classical music
Speaker 1: is actually really being maintained as like a symphony level
Speaker 1: by the by Asians and Asian nations, Western classical Western
Speaker 1: classical music. Yeah, but there they may they make a
Speaker 1: bigger investment in symphonies and orchestras and things like that,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of keeping there. Yeah, they're keeping it alive.
Speaker 1: I could see that. Well, because we hate ourselves again
Speaker 1: in the West room. We gotta get rid of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's if what white men wrote that music done away with.
Speaker 1: Scott Whittner, you know, gup here and said that the
Speaker 1: load out room responded to the false ballistic missile ort
Speaker 1: with a preparedness article. So check that out the load
Speaker 1: load out room dot com. Uh And he says if
Speaker 1: this doesn't make the sheep think about that, then we
Speaker 1: are doomed when something does happen. Um, let's see it says, hey, girl,
Speaker 1: that was for jack Um Robert, why is watching? I'm
Speaker 1: considering in Robert, guy Razzie. If I have no idea
Speaker 1: to pronounce your name, sorry, I'm considering enlisting in the army.
Speaker 1: Is a thirty five m human collector? Am I saying
Speaker 1: that correctly? H U M I N t U with
Speaker 1: a wanting to eventually work for the CIA? Any advice
Speaker 1: on going from intelligence in the service to the CIA
Speaker 1: Talk to your friendly neighborhood recruiter. Yeah, it's um equally
Speaker 1: fucked up. That would be the best. But I mean
Speaker 1: it's far like there's no like, Um, there's there's no
Speaker 1: mysticism about applying for the CIA. I mean you go
Speaker 1: talk to a recruiter and you know, you go through
Speaker 1: that process. Yeah, they always have different needs at different times.
Speaker 1: It's um not to and I'm not even trying to
Speaker 1: be They really just do. And the only mysticism is
Speaker 1: that you don't know if you're on the outside of
Speaker 1: what that is. So you may be super qualified and
Speaker 1: they just don't have the right need at the moment
Speaker 1: for you. So don't h don't get upset. But um,
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. Sometimes they prefer no background
Speaker 1: though sometimes they like people green so they can teach
Speaker 1: them the way they want him. I got you, Um,
Speaker 1: But again that goes to whatever their needs are at
Speaker 1: the time. Language skills are always a plus. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: keep your keep your profile clean. Um. I'll get one
Speaker 1: more in here because I'm gonna wrap up in a
Speaker 1: little bit because we actually have to do the Power
Speaker 1: of Thought, which is posted by Brandon webs so we'll
Speaker 1: be live streaming immediately. Yeah, he came through. If you
Speaker 1: guys noticed me waving to someone like a while back.
Speaker 1: That was Brandon, So he's probably downstairs getting ready and uh,
Speaker 1: they're already go live with that in half an hour.
Speaker 1: If if you guys happen it's still be around and
Speaker 1: want to check that out. Um, it's gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about over com in fear and that type of thing.
Speaker 1: So uh and if you're listening to the podcast, check
Speaker 1: that on the other channel. Look up The Power of
Speaker 1: Thought on Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts. Um,
Speaker 1: good question for Jack and we'll make this the last
Speaker 1: one from Awareness with Chris. Can Jack speak to the
Speaker 1: c i F s F companies, The c i F companies,
Speaker 1: the commanders in Extremist Force, their companies within each special
Speaker 1: forces group that are tasked with the counter terrorism mission. Um.
Speaker 1: I've written a little bit about them. There's some stuff
Speaker 1: that I can't really comment on. UM, but you know
Speaker 1: they are a little uh company within each group that
Speaker 1: focuses on direct action and UM, they're prepared to do uh,
Speaker 1: you know, counter terrorism missions and they have done them
Speaker 1: overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan quite a bit. Um. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what else to go into really there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you if you want to, if you want a
Speaker 1: little bit of additional information. UM, there's an article again
Speaker 1: the paywalls down, so you can go read it. It's
Speaker 1: called and people are asking you the paywall down for good? Yes,
Speaker 1: it is the article I believe it's called UM direct
Speaker 1: Action Training on on Fort Bragg or something of that nature.
Speaker 1: And it's a whole article about the history of Sephardic,
Speaker 1: which is the course on Fort Bragg that teaches SF
Speaker 1: guys those direct action skills that the counter Terrorism mission,
Speaker 1: and that will give you a little bit you'll read
Speaker 1: that and you'll come to understand I think a little
Speaker 1: bit about what that mission is about. Well, the paywall
Speaker 1: being down is a good transition for this UM. You know,
Speaker 1: people are asking how can we can support you guys
Speaker 1: if the paywalls down. UM. Luckily there's other revenue streams
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Speaker 1: s v P is done with. But for those of
Speaker 1: you who are going to be there January six pm,
Speaker 1: it's right around the corner. I'll be there, you will
Speaker 1: be therefortunately you will not be there, Well, drag Danielle
Speaker 1: there next year. And uh, you're probably gonna be so
Speaker 1: burned out after that. But once it's good. Shot shows
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean I think I've said this before.
Speaker 1: I mean Shot show is exhausting and I'm just so
Speaker 1: burned out on the show itself. But it's worth going
Speaker 1: to at least for me, because I see so many
Speaker 1: people I know and friends and old teammates. You know,
Speaker 1: soyone run some collection off. It's incredibly well you're well,
Speaker 1: you're not the only one doing that that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: saw that. Um so I mean, it's good to see
Speaker 1: a lot of old friends, and you know that's what
Speaker 1: really makes it worth going back there for well, you
Speaker 1: know it's worth it. For me, I've already made plans.
Speaker 1: Did you kiss Mini Golf? With the audition? So that's
Speaker 1: pretty damn cool, really, yeah, Simmons Paul Stanley, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: the audition and I are shameless like eighties hair metal enthusiasts,
Speaker 1: so we're like, did a kiss Minnie? My sister was
Speaker 1: a member of the Kiss Army, so I grew up
Speaker 1: listening to that. Can you really be a member of
Speaker 1: the Kissed Army? Though? Yes? You got Well, have you
Speaker 1: guys ever seen that article? It wasn't the Onion. It
Speaker 1: was like an Onion like site, and it was it
Speaker 1: was Gene Simmons accepts transgender memories to the Kiss Army.
Speaker 1: That wasn't really funny. I'm pretty sure they were already
Speaker 1: a huge part of the kids For me, I'll find
Speaker 1: out such a funny article and if you guys want
Speaker 1: to see it, um, I expect pictures. Just blackout the
Speaker 1: Odyssean's face, like or get him to wear some kiss makeup.
Speaker 1: We won't know this. Uh, this might have been a
Speaker 1: different one because this one. No, this is yeah. Gene
Speaker 1: Simmons signs ban on transgender soldiers serving in the Kiss Army.
Speaker 1: And then it's got a picture with the here like
Speaker 1: it's a real you know signature, and I love the quoture.
Speaker 1: Will cow not long ago. Yeah, dude, I'd love to
Speaker 1: have him on the Power I thought, Actually, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: he says our army must be focused on rocking and
Speaker 1: rolling all night and partying every day. Simmons said, we
Speaker 1: can no longer be burdened by the tremendous costs who
Speaker 1: trains gender members the kids Army. Our makeup budget is
Speaker 1: through the roof as it is. It's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's on the Hard Times dot net. I'm not
Speaker 1: really familiar, but I just thought that was a hilarious headline. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: anything else before we get out of here. I think
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Speaker 1: So it's crazy to think we will not be doing
Speaker 1: a live show on Tuesday, because we'll be a shot.
Speaker 1: So I'm purposely coming back from Shot on Tuesday so
Speaker 1: that I can get an episode up. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have like a recap Shot show. That's why I'm only
Speaker 1: going for three days. Because there's no episode up. Brandon
Speaker 1: Webb will be like, what is going on here? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put up a recap of Shot show, get
Speaker 1: some interviews with all the guys who are going to
Speaker 1: be in the house, guys who are gonna be there,
Speaker 1: people at the team room party, and then Thursday, I'm
Speaker 1: excited for Cody Wilson, who's, you know, real innovator in
Speaker 1: the three D printing industry. That's gonna be interesting talking
Speaker 1: about three D printing guns. Does any like a self
Speaker 1: described anarcho capitalist or I don't want what I want.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in the gentleman's mouth,
Speaker 1: but I suspect there's something like that going on. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to him that I described himself as that. So
Speaker 1: I think I've decided I'm gonna go out to Shot
Speaker 1: on my own and run surveillance on these guys and
Speaker 1: see if they know. Well, it's like that video that
Speaker 1: that James made of me last year when I was
Speaker 1: drunk off my ass. That video is pretty funny, walking,
Speaker 1: be bopping. You're having a good time. I had a
Speaker 1: great time, not another good time. You guys both have fun.
Speaker 1: I want pictures from Kiss Golf. Oh yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll say it's yet. It's like glowing the dark Kiss
Speaker 1: Mini Golf. I was looking it up on Yelp. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited for my mandate with the Odissean. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys to do some beer docking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh at at Software Radio on Twitter and Instagram. Um,
Speaker 1: and if you're not doing anything in the next the
Speaker 1: body here, the body here just sticks together like velcrow.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. If you're if you're yeah, not doing
Speaker 1: anything in the next fifteen or so minutes and you're
Speaker 1: watching the live stream check out the Power of Thought,
Speaker 1: which will be on Brandon's page and on the softwarep
Speaker 1: tv YouTube on Twitch, on all that stuff. Make sure
Speaker 1: you guys come over to the Facebook author page and
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I didn't plug all that, shut me up.
Speaker 1: I will throw out there. You could follow Danielle on Facebook.
Speaker 1: It's at c d b z a author. I'll spell
Speaker 1: that out. C D b I z I E R
Speaker 1: author French name, and I see you also have a
Speaker 1: new Twitter so at Daisy Bees because I saw you
Speaker 1: plugged it on on soft rep author page. So Twitter,
Speaker 1: you have Twitter, you just start Twitter. No, I just
Speaker 1: haven't really used it. We'll start using it. It's at
Speaker 1: Daisy b e Z so at days Bees plug. I'm
Speaker 1: saying plug, follow Danielle and they can find that on
Speaker 1: the Facebook page. But you know, and on soft rep
Speaker 1: on on Instagram, all that gets out there. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the cool ones are the where my feet are, which
Speaker 1: I need to do my act graveling to yeah, traveling tones.
Speaker 1: I've just been too many blazes with nobody to take
Speaker 1: pictures of me, and I don't want to do the selfies,
Speaker 1: so I just started doing a feat. Works so cool. Alright,
Speaker 1: Sorry harassing you on the Twitter. Flom all right, troll
Speaker 1: Twitter so much? Can you? All right? All right, We'll
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