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Speaker 1: natie Fulcome back to another edition up the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast, presented by New Era. Name is Dan Hansas
Speaker 1: joint the Room Build with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys, Hey, Drew, Happy Monday.
Speaker 1: It's grind thirty Mark. It is worked yesterday, so it's
Speaker 1: already in the middle of my week grindt it's grind
Speaker 1: quarter to grind, big, big, big weekend. Greg, How is
Speaker 1: your weekends? Delicious? Delicious? Sure? Why not? That's good? So
Speaker 1: I barely ate. So that's maybe the right nice descriptive word, though,
Speaker 1: because later on in today's show, we're gonna use one
Speaker 1: word describing a team player situation after one week of
Speaker 1: training camp. Delicious a nice way to describe the weekend,
Speaker 1: even if it's not literally about food. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just you know, on there's a lot to chew on.
Speaker 1: Very nice, well done? Uh, West I was your weekend?
Speaker 1: It was delicious. I made my thirty six ingredients spaghetti
Speaker 1: sauce yesterday thirty six. Oh, I've got plenty. I'll bring
Speaker 1: it in. Are you just throwing random things from the
Speaker 1: refrigerator in when you get past. First of all, that's
Speaker 1: how people should cook. Whatever is in your kitchen, you
Speaker 1: throw it in. That's how cooking has always been done.
Speaker 1: This idea that you have to follow a recipe is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Was like a Southern woman from nineteen twelve. The sugar
Speaker 1: cooking is done. That's the art of it. Like this
Speaker 1: idea that there's a recipe, You'll never be a good
Speaker 1: cook if you follow recipes because you're doing someone else's cookie. Mark.
Speaker 1: You're a noted food atarian, So maybe you wouldn't use
Speaker 1: delicious as a descriptive term, but maybe maybe it would.
Speaker 1: How was your weekend? B minus C, C plus tops.
Speaker 1: I saw your friend I have my grapes, your friend
Speaker 1: Nicki Glazer at the Battle I went to the taping
Speaker 1: of Roast Battle. Did you say that you you worked
Speaker 1: with me and we're best friends. Did you talk to her? Now?
Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't a deep conversation or anything. I
Speaker 1: saw your friend Tony gesle Nick at a Jeff Frost
Speaker 1: taping a couple of years back and introduced myself. He
Speaker 1: was very nice. Hey, great, I worked with him. That
Speaker 1: would have been a nice like comedian trade off there,
Speaker 1: complete the circle conversation. Yeah maybe next time. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: So we got a good show coming up today, Yes,
Speaker 1: the one word seg and then some news including uh uh,
Speaker 1: we're down to just one rookie, first round rookie without
Speaker 1: a deal, thank goodness, my team is not attached, and
Speaker 1: some deaz Brian juice. You know it's uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: that time. It's that time, folks, it's time to talk
Speaker 1: some football. Let's do some news. They were with the dogs,
Speaker 1: that are but they're like so my husband picked them
Speaker 1: up and they've been so anxious and stressed out ever
Speaker 1: since he got them. So I think they had a
Speaker 1: tough vacation. What is that? I mean, I know it's
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf I have I haven't heard Colleen it so long.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's her. What is the
Speaker 1: remote like feed? And that was her talking during inside
Speaker 1: training camp and I was just listening to that and
Speaker 1: she's gonna love that, and I had to clip it
Speaker 1: off because this is just on my TV. That is fair.
Speaker 1: She was on vacation for roughly forty five to fifty
Speaker 1: days and with the dogs, so the dogs probably are
Speaker 1: a little antsie at this time. It's on brand for
Speaker 1: Erica's appreciation slash. You know, maybe obsession with Colleen. It's
Speaker 1: a real thing. Yes or no? Yeah, it's mutual though,
Speaker 1: no doubt, definitely mutual. There's tons of evidence to point
Speaker 1: that it's mutual. If I see MVB back there, not
Speaker 1: or shake your head? Is the obsession mutual? Emma, Let's
Speaker 1: start with yes. The first round rookies, UH Sam Donald
Speaker 1: and the Jets get a deal done, and thank god.
Speaker 1: UH rap sheet reported Monday that the Jets and Donald
Speaker 1: agreed to terms four year, thirty point to five million,
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed. The signing became official this morning. Donald joined
Speaker 1: his new teammates on the field and practice. So that
Speaker 1: drama is in the rear view, and it was a
Speaker 1: very Jets drama shaping up. So I'm very happy and
Speaker 1: I don't even know and I don't even care. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the hold up, I believe it was about offsets. I
Speaker 1: don't know who one who lost. I don't care. It's annoying,
Speaker 1: but that's taking care of and it leaves just one
Speaker 1: UH first round er without a deal, and it's Bears
Speaker 1: linebacker uh ro Quan not re kuon Roquan Smith who
Speaker 1: still doesn't have a deal, and um and he's it's
Speaker 1: part of the hold up is potential fines or punishment
Speaker 1: that could be tied into the league's new helmet rules.
Speaker 1: So that's if I'm ambarrassing and I'm a little nervous,
Speaker 1: because that just sounds dicey. Let's start with Donald. Your thoughts, Mark,
Speaker 1: I mean with Donald. I almost feel that when this
Speaker 1: bubbled up, uh, that there there was this snag over
Speaker 1: the weekend that was making this more of an issue
Speaker 1: because Greg made the point on Friday down in the office, like, listen,
Speaker 1: if Donald's still not there on Monday, Dan, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to finally talk about him because it's becoming no, no, no.
Speaker 1: But it's just kind of you felt like, this will
Speaker 1: get done, they'll solve this away. But I almost thought
Speaker 1: that the swift reaction against Donald's camp and the Jets
Speaker 1: might have pushed both sides to end the ugly pr
Speaker 1: and get this thing done, because it really wasn't a
Speaker 1: very typical thing that they were caught up on. It
Speaker 1: was forfeiture language, according to Michael Silver and the other
Speaker 1: other reporters had it based on other stuff forfeiture language
Speaker 1: means like it's you could lose guaranteed money if you
Speaker 1: get hurt skiing or or silver referenced hiking. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much hiking Sam Donald does, but apparently he
Speaker 1: is very obsessed with that side hobby Off the field,
Speaker 1: he's I don't know about the forfeit your language, and
Speaker 1: I don't any football fan cares about the forfeit language.
Speaker 1: But he's gonna get all twenty million of his signing
Speaker 1: bonus within the next two weeks, which good for Sam Donald. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a big deal that he missed
Speaker 1: a few days. But the battle that they were having
Speaker 1: contractually included really the same topic as as Roquan Smith does.
Speaker 1: Is basically, can they take away your guaranteed money for
Speaker 1: on field rules violations? And so that se Kwan Barkley
Speaker 1: had written into his context contracts, so he's protected. The
Speaker 1: Jets did bend on that topic, and so the Bears.
Speaker 1: It's hard to like put from our perspective, blame on
Speaker 1: one side or another. It's just annoying. The system is
Speaker 1: not set up to have But in this case, it
Speaker 1: really does seem like the Bears are trying to get
Speaker 1: something a little ridiculous that no other teams are trying
Speaker 1: to get and that the Bears are out on an island,
Speaker 1: and Roquan Smith's agent understandably is trying to not set
Speaker 1: a precedent. I think you can quite whether it's worth
Speaker 1: it for an organization to have their first round pick
Speaker 1: miss extended action over fines on field suspension from on
Speaker 1: field rules like suspensions and fines from that, Like, it's
Speaker 1: not worth it to have him missed that time and
Speaker 1: there and there. It's a new development that they're trying
Speaker 1: to insert this into the contract. The rookie is reported
Speaker 1: for the Bears two weeks ago, so this is a
Speaker 1: pretty long hold out for Kuan smith Um And another
Speaker 1: new Jets news, new uniforms coming next year. If they
Speaker 1: bring back the eighties Jets, was gonna say, is it
Speaker 1: new or are you're gonna revert to I don't know.
Speaker 1: I bet it'll be like a combination where maybe the
Speaker 1: eighties Jets back. But it's like a I would just say,
Speaker 1: be careful what you wish for, because I was excited
Speaker 1: when just put like Cleveland again across the jet they
Speaker 1: can have Cleveland's current uniforms is there only I do
Speaker 1: like the Jets didn't try to like pretend like they
Speaker 1: were punishing Donald for this at all. He jogged onto
Speaker 1: practice halfway through it starting, he gets us slow clap
Speaker 1: and he immediately is getting first team reps. You get
Speaker 1: and we have props on a lot of sandwiches on
Speaker 1: the line of tag team sandwich prop. If he missed
Speaker 1: too much more time, it really would have put into
Speaker 1: peril any chance of a Week one starting. Now it's
Speaker 1: remains wide open. Moving on, the Seattle Seahawks last season
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger on a trade to acquire left tackle
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown UH from the Texans. He immediately filled a
Speaker 1: void for Seattle UH and now the two sides are
Speaker 1: locked into a long term deal. The team announced they've
Speaker 1: signed Brown to a multi year contract extension. Rap Sheet
Speaker 1: reports the deal where thirty six point five million UM.
Speaker 1: This has been something that's going on four weeks. Brown
Speaker 1: had been set to enter the final year of a
Speaker 1: contract worth nine point seven five million. Now he's in
Speaker 1: Seattle through one. Everybody getting paid on the line right now. Greg, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you he improved them immediately, and so if you're a
Speaker 1: halfway decent starter, he's now you know, signed until he's
Speaker 1: thirty six years old. I think there's a chance that
Speaker 1: the Seahawks offensive line is significantly better because of Dwayne
Speaker 1: Brown and because of just getting rid of Tom Cable.
Speaker 1: That if if you just have a sort of average
Speaker 1: coaching and a little bit of Dwayne Brown, then maybe
Speaker 1: they're fine, and that's a big room for improvement. It's
Speaker 1: a huge spot for them, an issue for them for
Speaker 1: years and years, and they gave up a two eighteen
Speaker 1: third round in two thousand nineteen second round or so.
Speaker 1: You couldn't let this deal not get done. You've already
Speaker 1: You've already put resources into Brown. His strong play down
Speaker 1: the stretch really obscured how henept the rest of the
Speaker 1: offensive line was because he was on the field for
Speaker 1: those games when Aaron Donald was just wrecking the entire
Speaker 1: line and Russell Wilson couldn't do anything. So you've got
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown, But I'm far from convinced that they're going
Speaker 1: to be a better offensive line this year. Uh. In
Speaker 1: injury news, yes, it's training camp. Guys are practicing. People
Speaker 1: get hurt. It sucks. Will start with the Panthers, where
Speaker 1: right tackle Darryl Williams suffered a dislocated kneecap and an
Speaker 1: m c l tare on Saturday and practice. Uh, no
Speaker 1: timetable yet, but this seems like something that could end
Speaker 1: uh Williams this season? How much is this gonna hurt Carolina? Was? Well,
Speaker 1: you would think if you spend a second round pick
Speaker 1: on a guy the year before Taylor and Morton, Uh,
Speaker 1: the guy they drafted last year, did he ought to
Speaker 1: be ready after a year of coaching in the NFL
Speaker 1: in the weight room, that he ought to be ready
Speaker 1: to step right in at right tackle and maybe not
Speaker 1: be that Pro Bowl level guy that Daryl Williams was
Speaker 1: last year, but good enough. But this is why guys
Speaker 1: hold out. You know, he was an All Pro who
Speaker 1: was underpaid going into his contract year and if he
Speaker 1: held out, he probably would have just gotten a big contract.
Speaker 1: And only in football is it when news comes out
Speaker 1: that he's got a dislocated kneecap or whatever it is
Speaker 1: and in a torn mc l and and everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: great news, good, good news. Not as bad as everyone
Speaker 1: expected because when he went down, they thought, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: out for the year, and now he's like, maybe not
Speaker 1: out for the whole year. He's maybe overturn doesn't sound like,
Speaker 1: well what this next in Drew to talk about ties
Speaker 1: into that. So that was, you know, wishful thinking to
Speaker 1: try to tie Williams's injury into something that wasn't too serious.
Speaker 1: Ramon Foster for the Steelers, he collapses in a heap,
Speaker 1: he gets carted off from practice. You're expecting, oh god,
Speaker 1: that we just lost our guard, major injury, lost for
Speaker 1: the season. No, it's hyper extended, which is the best
Speaker 1: case scenario in this situation. Uh, and a bone bruise.
Speaker 1: He's expected him his four or five weeks um, so
Speaker 1: his status for Week one up in the air. But
Speaker 1: that could have been worse than obviously looked terrible and
Speaker 1: Twitter was freaking out about it for a moment. Well
Speaker 1: that's the window they're hoping week one. And this guy's
Speaker 1: played more snaps for Pittsburgh than any other player on
Speaker 1: the offensive roster since two thousand nine, so he's been
Speaker 1: he's been durable, he's been part of that offense. He's
Speaker 1: not young, but they I guess for them, it's b J.
Speaker 1: Finney is the backup Western you're scouting report on b
Speaker 1: J Finney. I'll leave that team. He's fine. They got
Speaker 1: away with Marcus Gilbert at right tackle out for a
Speaker 1: big person last year, they'll be fine it from Foster
Speaker 1: misses a game or two. Uh. And finally Elijah McGuire,
Speaker 1: Jets second year rookie, had had some moments last year
Speaker 1: and it looked like he had a a roster spot
Speaker 1: locked up this year. Uh, he suffered a broken foot.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to undergo surgery. He'll be out six weeks.
Speaker 1: Could get the Boomerang I R designation. Will see, and
Speaker 1: that could be good news for Thomas Rawls. If you're
Speaker 1: wondering where's Thomas Rawles these days, he's on the Jets
Speaker 1: roster trying to make the team. He's a bubble guy.
Speaker 1: This might allow him to catch on the Jets backfield
Speaker 1: is somewhat wide open, I think, so we'll see how
Speaker 1: that shakes out. Uh. Dez Bryant on Friday. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the afternoon in the news room, and everybody wants
Speaker 1: to unwind a little bit. Maybe, but there was no unwinding,
Speaker 1: especially not for young Mark sessler Um, who was tasked
Speaker 1: with writing a story about Dez, who went ham. He
Speaker 1: went nuts on Twitter when people started I guess we're
Speaker 1: adding him about or actually he saw the Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: the president of the Cowboys and Jared's son, had made
Speaker 1: a comment how Dac could be better this season because
Speaker 1: he'll be able to progress without having Dez in his face,
Speaker 1: you know, all the time, which seemed unnecessary and does
Speaker 1: his defense. So Dez starts going at it with people
Speaker 1: on Twitter, making statements about how the team treated him,
Speaker 1: how certain players on the team, including Sean Lee uh
Speaker 1: talk behind his back and weren't real with him, leading
Speaker 1: to one of the immortal nicknames, Snake Lee sounds like
Speaker 1: a wrestler from the eighties. So Dez not happy and
Speaker 1: still a free agent, perhaps a little bit surprising mark
Speaker 1: that he would be uh so vocal about his displeasure
Speaker 1: with this former team when you really maybe want to
Speaker 1: put your best foot forward while unemployed. Well, right, because
Speaker 1: while this was happening in the atmosphere was another report
Speaker 1: that the Cleveland Browns are interested in bringing in Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant with Josh Gordon, you know, in abstentiate at the moment.
Speaker 1: So it's a bad looking for sure, And there are
Speaker 1: actually people that have been hanging around Cleveland's camp sort
Speaker 1: of saying, no, this is not a good person to
Speaker 1: this is. This would not be the right person to
Speaker 1: bring into what the Browns have in their wide receiver
Speaker 1: room that they were told they have some characters in
Speaker 1: there to begin with. But I just think if you're
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant too, where would you go where you're probably
Speaker 1: going to be the third or fourth receiver. That's not
Speaker 1: a good That's not a good mix for him. I
Speaker 1: don't think in there. Let's open the kimono a little
Speaker 1: bit here. At the same time you were writing about
Speaker 1: this and was tweeting, I was tasked with writing a
Speaker 1: post that Dez was going to sign with a different team,
Speaker 1: and neither the Brown team, neither the Browns nor this
Speaker 1: undisclosed team has signed him. Since all these tweets didn't
Speaker 1: report on their Jane Slater that another team was interested,
Speaker 1: and he said that team was not bothered by his
Speaker 1: tweet storm, that whatever their interest level was was not
Speaker 1: going to be affected. We'll see. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: hasn't been signed yet, but maybe it's not a huge
Speaker 1: her if the listeners find it interesting that we're saying,
Speaker 1: but what team? And and West is hinting that he
Speaker 1: knows the team. I guess what we don't. We do
Speaker 1: know the team, but we will not tell you because
Speaker 1: we're journalists and we protect our sources and we protect
Speaker 1: our own fellow colleagues in the field. I have no
Speaker 1: sources on this, Jane does I have. I have so
Speaker 1: many thoughts on this not for us, right, it's not
Speaker 1: my place, but I'll start with that. The whole storyline
Speaker 1: is especially annoying because it was all based on a
Speaker 1: growing terrible trend, which is that whoever was running serious
Speaker 1: x MS Twitter account is basically responsible for this entire
Speaker 1: story because he pair of he or she paraphrased it
Speaker 1: poorly when the full tweet. When the full quote came out.
Speaker 1: Number one Jason Witten was also included as a guy
Speaker 1: in des Bryan's here, and with a little more context,
Speaker 1: it didn't sound quite as bad the way that they paraphrase.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to paraphrase something, you better get
Speaker 1: the true meaning of the quote, right. And whoever was
Speaker 1: learning that Twitter account, and I don't know if they
Speaker 1: were trying to get more attention or if they were
Speaker 1: just being lazy, made it sound made Stephen Jones sound
Speaker 1: a lot worse, and so does Bryant I think understandably
Speaker 1: got upset based on hearing that and and all of
Speaker 1: this discussion for a couple hours on Twitter and across
Speaker 1: the country is because some someone did poorly at their
Speaker 1: could have been avoided entirely. I mean that said, it
Speaker 1: takes the Dez Bryant half of the equation to respond
Speaker 1: the way he did. Not every player would decide to
Speaker 1: do right. And the comment was still a little uh
Speaker 1: poking the bear unnecessarily at Dez, but it wasn't quite
Speaker 1: as dramatic, and it did include Jason Witten in it.
Speaker 1: The nature of Twitter often leaves out context. That's just
Speaker 1: the way it is. I I also thought my other
Speaker 1: takeaway was the Cowboys are the Cowboys because there is
Speaker 1: no other team in the league that would make Shan Lee,
Speaker 1: who had spoken to the media the day before, talk
Speaker 1: to the media for thirty seconds while walking off the
Speaker 1: field without probably even have seen the tweet himself. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure the PR director gave him a background, but
Speaker 1: he basically said, Sean, you gotta address this from media
Speaker 1: right now. Everyone else would just try to avoid the issue,
Speaker 1: but instead they want the story to be as big
Speaker 1: as possible until they get Sean Lee to comment on it,
Speaker 1: and he was, you know, pretty pretty hardcore about that
Speaker 1: they should have been more of a leader last year.
Speaker 1: And then it really blows up. That would drive me
Speaker 1: crazy if I was a certain type of personality, if
Speaker 1: I was a guy that sought to avoid that type
Speaker 1: of circus and my team was asking me to feed
Speaker 1: into it. That is like, you can't be a coach
Speaker 1: for the Calvin unless you're willing to to be as media,
Speaker 1: you know, available as possible. Speaking of Jason Witten and
Speaker 1: social media, I came across this in Peter King's Football
Speaker 1: Morning in America column. I thought it was interesting. Uh.
Speaker 1: Witten wrote a piece for ESPN, who he now works for,
Speaker 1: about the impact of social media in locker rooms, and
Speaker 1: it was pretty interesting. I'll just read a little blurb
Speaker 1: from his bigger piece, which you could mind again at ESPN.
Speaker 1: One of the defining images of the modern locker room
Speaker 1: isn't a fiery postgame speech or a group of guys strategizing.
Speaker 1: It's players with their heads down, buried in their phones.
Speaker 1: The impact it's not good. I've seen the negative impact
Speaker 1: social media can have, particularly on younger players who grew
Speaker 1: up with Twitter and Instagram as an integral part of life.
Speaker 1: A player checking Twitter at halftime. I've seen it the
Speaker 1: most concerning, watching a really talented player corrupt his mind
Speaker 1: and confidence by reading all the critiques from anonymous football
Speaker 1: experts around the world. Negative social media can ruin a player.
Speaker 1: Reading your mentions, it's poison. Uh. This kind of ties
Speaker 1: into what you said Greg about somebody on the Sirius
Speaker 1: XM could miss quote or miss paraphrase and it could
Speaker 1: cause a whole issue. This is the other side of
Speaker 1: it that players can really These young guys are really
Speaker 1: affected by what they're seeing about themselves on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: think Winton's advice is spot on, and this is one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I have been heavy on the block
Speaker 1: since the early part of Twitter. Then, if you do
Speaker 1: read your mentions, you can be I'm obsessed with it,
Speaker 1: and you can waste a lot of time replying to people.
Speaker 1: It can affect your psychology, your psyche based on what
Speaker 1: people say about you, and you can get caught saying
Speaker 1: something back to one of these people that will cost
Speaker 1: you your job. It's better to block. It's better to
Speaker 1: ignore these TrooLS than to engage. And I think Jameson wenton,
Speaker 1: is exactly right. This article was brilliantly written. And I'm
Speaker 1: starting to look at the Cowboys and say, essentially, if
Speaker 1: you work, if you played for the Cowboys, you want
Speaker 1: to go announce, you become Tony Romo, and you become
Speaker 1: the best announcer in the entire league in year one.
Speaker 1: And this article is better than like of the stuff
Speaker 1: that's on our own website. Are you sure he wrote it? Yes?
Speaker 1: I am sure he wrote it. I really think he did,
Speaker 1: because he actually probably Brooks Sam who type who works.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty it's you can't you can't dry. I mean,
Speaker 1: you couldn't make a movie that I mean. He wrote
Speaker 1: this the morning before this all happened with Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: It was on it was on ESPN, and then that
Speaker 1: that happens later in the day. He said, one teammate,
Speaker 1: and I I had I started trying to think who
Speaker 1: it might be. He said he saw one teammate get
Speaker 1: completely swallowed up by Twitter feedback, that it's sort of
Speaker 1: that a person kind of caved, and my immediate thought was, like,
Speaker 1: who is that? And des Bryant was certainly one person
Speaker 1: I thought maybe could have been a candidate for that
Speaker 1: who knows. Yeah, I mean also players apparently are way
Speaker 1: into PFF and it could affect them negatively there as well. UM,
Speaker 1: which is obviously just some guys that are watching the
Speaker 1: games and handing out grades which are fairly arbitrary. But
Speaker 1: the players, they really are connected and two connected perhaps,
Speaker 1: but you get it's a human thing. Well, nobody's themselves
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I think that's like, if you're an athlete,
Speaker 1: all these people who would never say anything to your face,
Speaker 1: they say the most despicable things to two athletes, Like
Speaker 1: to me, if I was a pro athlete, I would
Speaker 1: not engage on social media in that way at all.
Speaker 1: UH and other news this is interesting. Da Bielie of
Speaker 1: Courses in the running to be west as the best
Speaker 1: Man next year. Also, UH has found himself in a
Speaker 1: maybe I would call him mini feud with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: We're taking a trip to the dog pend um over
Speaker 1: naming rights of young puppies that the Browns are seeking
Speaker 1: to adopt on social media. See it's not all bad,
Speaker 1: UH and UH, as we know, except this turn ugly
Speaker 1: so that show last week UH eally suggested a name.
Speaker 1: It was a Miles McGruff. Uh, that would have been better.
Speaker 1: It was Miles Guff, which the Browns then used but
Speaker 1: then didn't credit eally, which got really ticked off. And
Speaker 1: then uh. Dave followed up on Friday with Hey, at Browns,
Speaker 1: I have another dog named suggestion Jabriel Puppers, which he
Speaker 1: also said on this podcast. She also said on this podcast.
Speaker 1: And then sure enough today the Browns posted another dog,
Speaker 1: a real beautiful young animal. I was looking for the breed,
Speaker 1: but they don't have it listened in the tween anyway.
Speaker 1: Uh me Jabriel Puppers. Oh a feist mix? Uh? And
Speaker 1: again no credit given to Dave really and uh, what
Speaker 1: do we have more on this? Mark? Well? I I
Speaker 1: think the first instance, David really has a real case.
Speaker 1: Obviously in Cleveland, they probably had some sort of a
Speaker 1: group of people sitting around brainstorming, going through the roster
Speaker 1: and picking up names, and Jabriel Puppers feels like something
Speaker 1: that probably people would have come up with would be
Speaker 1: my take. Great, do you have any more on this story?
Speaker 1: The Browns responded, I didn't know that David suggested Jabriel Puppers,
Speaker 1: And they said he's already on the list and gave
Speaker 1: him a little passive aggressive wink. Maybe it was even
Speaker 1: a sign that hey, we've had a list, you haven't
Speaker 1: been necessarily coming up with these. But like for instance, Mark,
Speaker 1: they went with because they could have done like the
Speaker 1: hands up emoji or some type of thumbs up or
Speaker 1: something else. The wink. Really you don't like his tone.
Speaker 1: I would imagine he's coming back over and over saying no,
Speaker 1: I came up with this, and I think I think
Speaker 1: he's got a case. But at the same time, even
Speaker 1: in our direct messaging client today, I suggested, how about
Speaker 1: a manual aug Bark and Andy Yeah, but Andy Hagman,
Speaker 1: our editor, said they already came up with that, and
Speaker 1: it's a case in point. There's just this collective group
Speaker 1: think here. Yeah, I think really like to take away
Speaker 1: from me, is he really missed his calling that he
Speaker 1: has the same brain that really like a social media
Speaker 1: intern hands So this is causing you know, it's causing
Speaker 1: a lot of drama between Eally and the Browns and
Speaker 1: everything Mark, because Mark's always tied in with anything. But
Speaker 1: I used my boss, so I have to kind of
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I agree with you, Dave. I have
Speaker 1: some sources actually down in the newsroom that Elie's continued
Speaker 1: presence on this show and now with this running dog
Speaker 1: bit here and he gets on it again is becoming
Speaker 1: a bit of source of consternation and jealousy within the
Speaker 1: Root newsroom. And I've actually obtained through these sorts and
Speaker 1: audio file, an audio file which we're gonna listen to
Speaker 1: right now. It's been two softball seasons where I've been
Speaker 1: a star player and you guys talk about me and
Speaker 1: then don't have me on, but then you call Frog
Speaker 1: we need you to do a voice and who needs you?
Speaker 1: That was that was brassy. That is catch That is
Speaker 1: of the harangue that she went on for an hour.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's our Dez Bryant, this character Brassie, who
Speaker 1: she's She probably mentioned a handful of character on the show.
Speaker 1: And she said that we've been exploiting her, that we're
Speaker 1: using her name, uh, and that she is very upset
Speaker 1: that she hasn't been on the show. There she mentioned Fraggs,
Speaker 1: who has been done some voice over work. But she
Speaker 1: also was very dismissive of of David Eally and his
Speaker 1: presence on the show. Some of that I just decided
Speaker 1: I could not put in good conscience on her air. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of times professionally in newsrooms in
Speaker 1: my life here in other places, and I could say
Speaker 1: that newsrooms are viper pits by their nature, and none
Speaker 1: of this surprises me. But I just I think what
Speaker 1: Brassie needs to understand, who is again a part time catcher?
Speaker 1: Uh for our team? And she said she was a star? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was a part time catcher. I would say, what
Speaker 1: did she say? Yeah, I's hear it again. It's been
Speaker 1: two softball seasons where I've been a start player. Did
Speaker 1: you guys talk about me? And then but then you
Speaker 1: call from we need you to do a voice, And
Speaker 1: I think that's she is? She? You know, you know, Brassie,
Speaker 1: she's the player, the charismatic player, the Santonio Holmes type
Speaker 1: that that when things are the only player ever kicked
Speaker 1: out of his own offensive Hundele. Yeah, exactly when things
Speaker 1: are going good, And you can maybe put Des in
Speaker 1: this category as well. He's a great or she's a
Speaker 1: great person to have in the locker room, almost like
Speaker 1: glue type character. But when things maybe start to swerve
Speaker 1: in a not so great direction and the rats are
Speaker 1: jumping off the ship, I'll leave it at that ship.
Speaker 1: Well I did. I did, uh tell her she does
Speaker 1: have a point that she would be a great character.
Speaker 1: So I'm in favor of having her on at some point,
Speaker 1: and we'll have to talk. After all, we did offer
Speaker 1: this one now. But now we can tell her, Look,
Speaker 1: you have been on this. I'm not love other tone.
Speaker 1: I'll just put it that way. Yeah, but you're hanging
Speaker 1: out at David Eely thing. It's a little bit of
Speaker 1: God a few more minutes. That was the PG point.
Speaker 1: Yet that was the we We had to get it
Speaker 1: so safe. We don't want you guys didn't give her
Speaker 1: a confirmed yes. Now. In fact, Greg left was waiting
Speaker 1: for his uber and she was in the backyard, still
Speaker 1: ranning about Greg threatening her and she doesn't appreciate it. Well,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, look, you have to keep this
Speaker 1: quiet until Monday. If you if you chattered anyone, that'll
Speaker 1: prove she took that as a threat. Finally in the news,
Speaker 1: very interesting developments down in the news room. Finally in
Speaker 1: the news, Uh, David Ealely's favorite team, the Carol Line
Speaker 1: of Panthers. They still have a superstar quarterback in the fold,
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. And Uh this from ESPN staff writer David
Speaker 1: Newton uh and uh. Cam Newton sported a pair of
Speaker 1: fashionable sunglasses as he strutted through rows of teammates already
Speaker 1: on the grass stretching at the start of Sunday's practice.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something Cam said, ain't nobody dripping
Speaker 1: like um dripping? And Mr Newton, the staff writer for ESPN,
Speaker 1: then translated that to mean dripping means something that is
Speaker 1: awesome or super cool. Look at look at Cam. Just
Speaker 1: like changing the world. You know, more people learning vocab.
Speaker 1: There's people dabbing all over the world now partly because
Speaker 1: because of Cam. He's just that. But he is Cam
Speaker 1: is you know, some people like Cam, some people don't
Speaker 1: like him. But you will learn new things that maybe
Speaker 1: don't always tie into your your nature or where you
Speaker 1: grew up. Cam is a great guy to teach you
Speaker 1: about things. Some things were work the dad worked. That
Speaker 1: dripping that's out there that it's not like that's a
Speaker 1: Cam creation, but he's bringing it to you know, people
Speaker 1: like sports reporters. Uh, not everything works. Remember his fake
Speaker 1: language he uses on Instagram. All his Insta posts have
Speaker 1: a fake language that he uses like he's hit or miss.
Speaker 1: He has but he never stops innovating and teaching, and
Speaker 1: I respect that. It also means extremely highly fashionable, and
Speaker 1: that if you look at his press conferences, the guy
Speaker 1: is never dressed normally on any level. So I think
Speaker 1: he's speaking. Greg played Cardi B's Drip song for us
Speaker 1: at the fire pit the other night, and it's catchy
Speaker 1: song of the summer. It's catchy, but you can't help
Speaker 1: think that, like, so music songs were invented, say ten
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, because some someone had something profound to
Speaker 1: say about the human condition, Like you're the one at
Speaker 1: the camp fire who's going to speak out. You've got
Speaker 1: this story, and in this case, this woman just has
Speaker 1: bobbles dangling off body part that she thinks make her trip.
Speaker 1: I just think, like that's is that what really we
Speaker 1: need for music? I don't know, a creativity? Come on,
Speaker 1: I did sometimes we slip into this segment. This is
Speaker 1: the Greg likes rap. I didn't. He brought it almost
Speaker 1: every show. What do we have? What is the name
Speaker 1: of the song trip classic takeoff First of the Summer.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's not a classic. That's what's happening
Speaker 1: in the news. By the way, don't be self conscious
Speaker 1: that Greg likes raps. I'm just saying, I didn't you know,
Speaker 1: you made it sound like it's like a self promotional one.
Speaker 1: He brought it up. I didn't bring it up. Greg
Speaker 1: did not slide into that segment. It was okay, okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: Dan keeps us. You know, if you're counting on. All right,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: It's time to play the game. One word, one word
Speaker 1: to describe something camps are about. There were some late stragglers,
Speaker 1: which are way on my radar. By the way, there
Speaker 1: were two or three teams that wait until Friday to report.
Speaker 1: Who's that? Which you know, Come on, guys, it wasn't
Speaker 1: the Lions, wasn't not I will say it wasn't lines.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say what the teams are.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait and see how the rest of their
Speaker 1: accounts out. If they if they're going on bowling trips,
Speaker 1: and well, we're proud we're calling practice off. Let's go
Speaker 1: to the arcade. You know who you are, and you
Speaker 1: reported late. I will be watching this so you're not
Speaker 1: convinced that it's it's They show up on a mandated day,
Speaker 1: which is based on when their first preseason game shows up. There. Clearly,
Speaker 1: I'm not totally convinced. Clearly, I think they took a
Speaker 1: loophole and they will pay for it once football comes around. Uh,
Speaker 1: in regular season form anyway. So camps for the most
Speaker 1: part are a week old. Everyone is preparing now for
Speaker 1: the season. So, UM, let's now get into it. One
Speaker 1: word to describe something we've picked up on and then UM,
Speaker 1: an explanation. I'll get it going, just to to so
Speaker 1: everybody knows actually what we're going for here. UM, I'll
Speaker 1: start with the team, the defending champion Philadelphia Eagles. Why
Speaker 1: not start with the champs? And the word here it
Speaker 1: comes the word. I wrote it down on my phone
Speaker 1: and ah, here it is. Here's the word. The Eagles
Speaker 1: are maybe conflicted. How great is it that, uh, Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz is practicing and looks healthy. His head coach Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson said that he maybe he's a little hesitant still,
Speaker 1: and it's tying into what was a very serious knee injury.
Speaker 1: I was a little bit I'm only now learning, uh,
Speaker 1: and maybe because it was in the middle of the
Speaker 1: season when it happened, and he just kind of. Oh.
Speaker 1: He he tore his a c L. It happens, but
Speaker 1: it was a more serious knee injury, uh than just
Speaker 1: to torn a c L. He also ripped up his
Speaker 1: L c L. So it's a considerable reconstructive knee surgery
Speaker 1: that when Carson Wentz underwent and it was late last
Speaker 1: year uh that he had the surgery, and maybe even
Speaker 1: early January, as I recall, one of the waiting for
Speaker 1: the swelling to go on down situations. Anyway, everything is
Speaker 1: going in the right direction. He's practicing, uh, referenced the
Speaker 1: Peter King calm I read this morning. Uh. King was
Speaker 1: at the camp and said that he was able to
Speaker 1: avoid pass rushers, make good throws. Everything seems to be
Speaker 1: in the right direction. But I would think that the
Speaker 1: Eagles must remain conflicted about how they're gonna play this
Speaker 1: situation because you do have the defending Super Bowl MVP
Speaker 1: in your building, your first uh, your schedule to start
Speaker 1: uh the season uh is not unforgiving. I mean, they
Speaker 1: could probably survive with Nick Foles and maybe even thrive
Speaker 1: with Nick Foles. So I'm wondering what Carson Wentz is
Speaker 1: gonna have the show to make them say all right,
Speaker 1: we are a percent confident he's our Week one started,
Speaker 1: because I don't think they should start him unless they
Speaker 1: are fully confident that they're not putting any risk on
Speaker 1: the on the situation. I think that's how medical teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL work. If he gets the green light,
Speaker 1: he plays. If there's any reservation like they usually end
Speaker 1: up playing. But they have such a good backup plan here,
Speaker 1: they have the best backup plan possible. I don't think
Speaker 1: that really figures into it. I think if he's cleared,
Speaker 1: he plays. I don't think it matters who's behind him.
Speaker 1: He's reportedly looked great everyone that's gone down and watched
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and Doug Peterson essentially echoed it by saying,
Speaker 1: if you didn't know that he had surgery, he just
Speaker 1: looks the same. And so when I hear that in
Speaker 1: the first few days of camp, I'm figuring it's gonna
Speaker 1: I'm expecting him to be the Week one starter barring
Speaker 1: some sort of setback. What about the conflicted side about
Speaker 1: how much to play him in the preseason and put
Speaker 1: him out there and test him that way versus playing
Speaker 1: it's safe getting him fully healthy. That maybe is where
Speaker 1: they have to game plan for him in August. That's
Speaker 1: a little ton of it because you don't want to
Speaker 1: not give him enough work, and then you don't really
Speaker 1: know how the knee is gonna operate when the comes
Speaker 1: time to actually play, or if you give him too
Speaker 1: much work and he suffers setback. All that stuff. They
Speaker 1: have to be a little bit conflicted, but still, ultimately
Speaker 1: it's a good problem. And the Eagles right now, a
Speaker 1: lot of things around the Eagles are good. They are,
Speaker 1: but they're balancing a lot of these situations. Outstand. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: has an injury. I don't know that series, but Jason
Speaker 1: Peters obviously coming back from a really serious injury. Brandon
Speaker 1: Graham is coming back from surgery. Timmy Journ again probably
Speaker 1: not gonna be ready for the beginning of the year
Speaker 1: coming back from surgery. So they're managing a lot of
Speaker 1: key players and trying to figure out when they're going
Speaker 1: to be available. Mark, you are going to give us
Speaker 1: one word, uh, involving the Indianapolis cults, I will as
Speaker 1: soon as the drum roll begins rum roll, And I'm
Speaker 1: hyphenating this word. It is sleeper cell. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why you call to the drum roll, but didn't
Speaker 1: wait for the drum roll I have. That's my fault, Erica, apologies,
Speaker 1: Now you can end it. Sometimes I do my version
Speaker 1: of Colleen, who you're obsessed with by not no in
Speaker 1: how games operate um already slipping into a hyphenated two
Speaker 1: word word. But sleepersion according to Erica, two way, it
Speaker 1: goes both ways, according to you leave it right there.
Speaker 1: She's not responding sleep her self for the cults, and
Speaker 1: because I just viewed them as a sleep for all
Speaker 1: of last season and for really for a while, and
Speaker 1: I think under Pagano they to me had just lost
Speaker 1: any sort of intrigue. Their luster was gone. And then
Speaker 1: you've lost Andrew Luck. Last year they were a rough
Speaker 1: watch week after week. Now over the weekend, because this
Speaker 1: is about what happened in the last week. Finally we
Speaker 1: get to see Andrew Luck play in this scrimmage and
Speaker 1: he's nineteen of twenty two and full pads. And it's
Speaker 1: not your forget the numbers, it's that he immediately is
Speaker 1: connecting twice on deep passes with t Y Hilton. The
Speaker 1: offenses is waking up and suddenly, look at this team
Speaker 1: that I would have without Angrew Luck just simply buried
Speaker 1: as a Top I pick in the next year's draft.
Speaker 1: I could see them doing a little bit of damage.
Speaker 1: They're not a complete team, but they never have been
Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck. You could see them doing some damage,
Speaker 1: riding basically riding Luck through the season, taking out a
Speaker 1: few a f C South teams and being in the
Speaker 1: mix in December. Sleeper cell a sleeper in the a
Speaker 1: f C. Yes, I'm with you. That seen the week
Speaker 1: a Sunday evening to a special you know, season ticket
Speaker 1: holders come and watch the team situation. And there was
Speaker 1: one tweet where Luck had hit four straight deep passes
Speaker 1: and like that got me excited right this season, that
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite items and most significant I
Speaker 1: think items of news that we've had because a week
Speaker 1: ago at this time, you didn't really now, and now
Speaker 1: now I think it's fair for Colts fans to get excited.
Speaker 1: Sleeper cell extends to fantasy too. I want the Colts
Speaker 1: quarterback in a lot of shootouts with that defense in fantasy.
Speaker 1: Sleeper cell is that hyphen It uh, it's a word.
Speaker 1: It's just I'm seeing a lot of two words. Is
Speaker 1: just saying no, no, I think that you have a
Speaker 1: cold isn't the white isn't the White House? A word? No,
Speaker 1: it's two No, it's two words. I'm going by definition.
Speaker 1: You're going by amount of words you can. When I
Speaker 1: when I realized the words, I feel like it's probably
Speaker 1: the right. When when we got so booked on the
Speaker 1: one word thing, I was like on the like the
Speaker 1: soreus dot com during this podcast trying to find something
Speaker 1: else for sleeper sell and it could not come up
Speaker 1: with about sleeper a little boring. Okay, yeah, all right, um,
Speaker 1: and again as we move on to the next person, West,
Speaker 1: the name of the segment one word. This is one word,
Speaker 1: wool gathering. Let me set you up. Sorrys um, that's
Speaker 1: a word. I'll set you up. Jeez, Dallas cowboys, wool gathering.
Speaker 1: That isn't word. I'm looking it up. It's probably used
Speaker 1: by your grandma and grandpa at some point. All right,
Speaker 1: they both passed on. But thanks for making up. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna tell me what it means? And we all gathering?
Speaker 1: One word? West is then the money indulgence and aimless
Speaker 1: thought or dreamy imagining, absent mindedness, lost in fanciful dreams,
Speaker 1: trying to stuff clouds into briefcases like the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: doing with Tavon Austin and Cole Beasley. Give me a
Speaker 1: break your day dreams of Tavon Austin. Is this hybrid
Speaker 1: running back receiver getting fifteen touches a game leading your
Speaker 1: receiver's room, Give me a brick, cool Beasley, We're gonna
Speaker 1: have him run the whole route tree. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: put the five ft nine white guy in the slot anymore.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put him outside and have n't beat the
Speaker 1: best cornerbacks in the league on the outside. You guys,
Speaker 1: don't check your mentions. Cole, you guys are wool gathering.
Speaker 1: I knew West would be good at this game. By
Speaker 1: the way, I knew this would be a West specialty.
Speaker 1: Excellent word. Yeah, there's there's something to what he's saying
Speaker 1: to like their backup situation, quarterback situation. It's funny how
Speaker 1: the storylines are always based on what happened the previous year.
Speaker 1: So like the year when after Romo got hurt. It's
Speaker 1: like everyone's talking about the backup quarterbacks in Cowboys camp.
Speaker 1: Now Dak Prescott's the starting quarterback. Their backup quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush, Mike White and Dalton them. And when I
Speaker 1: and when I that that Dalton Strm is an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent, probably not in the mix there, but Mike
Speaker 1: White and Cooper Rush, and they like Cooper Rush. And
Speaker 1: I heard them talking, I might say, like and maybe
Speaker 1: he's maybe he's fine. But when I hear them talking
Speaker 1: about how they're really excited about the depth at their
Speaker 1: quarterback position, that feels like a little cloud stuffing or whatever.
Speaker 1: We'll gather he said cloud stuff and he said stuff
Speaker 1: in those sales in your briefcase. Jerry loved it was
Speaker 1: a great image, very good, very good football all the
Speaker 1: neck pro football. All that is that what it's called.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott was one of the worst quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: league in the second half of last year. It will
Speaker 1: be an interesting guy to track this year. Great, great
Speaker 1: looking offensive line with like that was what killed Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. Smith went down that that killed them
Speaker 1: even more than when Zeke went down. In Football Outsiders
Speaker 1: wrote about that great great purchase. If you're if you're
Speaker 1: into little preseason book, Greg one word on the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. Okay, I didn't, I didn't know. We were
Speaker 1: just looking for like a hard word or anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just again the segment one word I was looking,
Speaker 1: all right, Tama Bay Buccaneers. Awkward. Okay, all right, that
Speaker 1: is my word, even his word in it. Awkward. They
Speaker 1: put up all of these signs all around the stadium,
Speaker 1: get excited for the next season. They're starting quarterback not
Speaker 1: on any of those signs. Even more importantly, Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: is taking first team reps because he has to get
Speaker 1: ready for the start of the season. Jamis Winston with
Speaker 1: the backups sometimes with the first team. That's awkward. And
Speaker 1: then what really made me want to talk about them
Speaker 1: is that Dirk Cutter has talked to Jamis Winston about
Speaker 1: possibly toning down his vocal leadership and that now I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is this is something that that
Speaker 1: the writers in Tampa, uh that I'm talking about. Roy Coming,
Speaker 1: who wrote the column, said that maybe Jamis was going
Speaker 1: to do anyways a little bit, maybe tamp it down
Speaker 1: a little bit some of his antics. But the fact
Speaker 1: that you have you the coach of your team kind
Speaker 1: of telling your quarterback, hey, lead from behind. That was
Speaker 1: his wording, maybe lead from behind this year. And this
Speaker 1: is a coach without a lot of long term security
Speaker 1: either and you're telling your starting quarterback that, and to me,
Speaker 1: that's just awkward. And it's and what a point of
Speaker 1: departure from a year ago and even the year before,
Speaker 1: where the word out of Tampa Bay was always how
Speaker 1: enamored they were with Winston's leadership, and he was the
Speaker 1: centerpiece of Hard Knocks for being that vocal leader. And
Speaker 1: one season later, it's please tone it down. I feel
Speaker 1: like um and I'll count myself in this kind of
Speaker 1: got taken for a ride a little bit by Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston on Hard Knocks. I even named him the Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks m VP because he came off as not only
Speaker 1: a guy that just twenty three years old last summer,
Speaker 1: and a guy this is who you want to build
Speaker 1: your roster around. You're he's taking to his old neighborhood
Speaker 1: and showing how he grew up and how how friendly
Speaker 1: he was and how everybody seemed to connect with him.
Speaker 1: But as it turns out, and he was drafted one
Speaker 1: was it, it's now turning out four years on, alright,
Speaker 1: three or four years on, it's turning out that he
Speaker 1: is kind of all the things that people worried about
Speaker 1: and what made a lot of like handwringing, and the
Speaker 1: consternation is Jamis Winston a guy you really want to
Speaker 1: build your franchise around here. The Bucks are in and
Speaker 1: they're still asking themselves that question, and that is not
Speaker 1: a good thing. Leading from behind is the last thing
Speaker 1: you ever would have hoped, uh for your for that
Speaker 1: to be the message to your quarterback at the stage possible,
Speaker 1: they'll have a new coach next offseason who has to
Speaker 1: rethink this whole Jamis Winston experience clear. I think Cutter
Speaker 1: is making a mistake. You let you know obviously you
Speaker 1: have conversations with Jamis Winston about all of these things.
Speaker 1: But to put it out in front and say that
Speaker 1: we kind of don't want you to be as much
Speaker 1: of a leader. He's going to be the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: in week four, and that, to me, it's a confusing
Speaker 1: message to send to tell him, don't be as much
Speaker 1: of a leader. Yeah, it's not confusing to the other
Speaker 1: fifty two players on the roster though. Like he's he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He's not just Jamie's coach, he's the whole team's coach. Alright,
Speaker 1: one more time around the horn, Mark, get us going.
Speaker 1: Do you want to announce the team as we've been doing.
Speaker 1: Are you ready, Yes, I am ready. One word, I
Speaker 1: repeat one word on the Atlanta Falcons. Drum roll. It's
Speaker 1: gonna take some I got you covered, Dan, when you
Speaker 1: get back to me, Okay, Disruptor, you gotta wait till
Speaker 1: the stops disruptor. Alright now. I initially had it as
Speaker 1: dynasty Dynasty disruptor because I think the Falcons. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just went disrupted because thank you, they to me. I
Speaker 1: was when I was watching them yesterday on NFL Network.
Speaker 1: They brought Dan Quinn over, and we've met with Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: We liked dan Quinn for a long long time. I
Speaker 1: just think that he had last year was all about
Speaker 1: how do you shake the Super Bowl and how do
Speaker 1: you deal with this new offensive coordinators? All this like
Speaker 1: hideous psychological adjusting that he needed to be in charge of.
Speaker 1: They from top to bottom seem ultra competent. All their
Speaker 1: star players are back. I think this coaching staff has
Speaker 1: done a better job than almost any team in the
Speaker 1: league of drafting and developing young players. You've seen the
Speaker 1: defense where they were at the end of last season,
Speaker 1: when we were at that playoff team, when they shut
Speaker 1: the Rams down. We're gonna get more of that, and
Speaker 1: they just have a great core of veteran and young players.
Speaker 1: This reminds me a little bit of the Broncos team
Speaker 1: after getting whipped in the Super Bowl by Seattle the
Speaker 1: two years later came back against all expectations and won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl when most people thought, no, it's gonna
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. I think this is a super Bowl
Speaker 1: team that's gonna disrupt Philadelphia's plans to become a dynasty disruptor.
Speaker 1: One thing I've noticed how quickly they've turned around that defense,
Speaker 1: basically purely with draft picks. They placed an inordinate emphasis
Speaker 1: on explosive, dynamic athletes with high spark scores. It makes
Speaker 1: me wonder why every team in the league doesn't rebuild
Speaker 1: their defense in the same way. I think Quinn got
Speaker 1: that from we want to redo what we had in Seattle,
Speaker 1: similar type of like edgy athletic players. And sometimes that's
Speaker 1: a nice plan, But then four years later you don't
Speaker 1: have any of those guys. They found them in, turned
Speaker 1: them into good players, and they're they're gonna start signing.
Speaker 1: Grady Jarrett's next up in line for a contract extension,
Speaker 1: and he deserves one. Chris Westling one word to describe
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns Brigadoon Brigade for those of you under
Speaker 1: the age of eighty, is a musical I believe from
Speaker 1: fifties about a mysterious Scottish village that appears for only
Speaker 1: one day every one hundred years. It's a musical, so
Speaker 1: you know when the Scottish village appears, people spanishly break
Speaker 1: unto dances. There's galas seductions, romantic dalliances, trists in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: In training camp, you got puppies, you got r vs,
Speaker 1: you got the hard Land, You've got bone on me,
Speaker 1: You've got festivals, you got everybody's darling. It's gonna last
Speaker 1: one day and then be buried again, fade away into
Speaker 1: the mountain mist like Brigadoon did. Wow, a little bit
Speaker 1: of a drive by. That's great. Mark's actually under the
Speaker 1: table and now I do I see what you mean
Speaker 1: from that. I see what you mean from the training
Speaker 1: camp angle where it acts like they it's a it's
Speaker 1: a month long celebration of all that has been and
Speaker 1: is to come. And then September arrives typically and by
Speaker 1: around September twelve you realize you don't have a team.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I think is a little bit
Speaker 1: different here is that Tyrod Taylor is giving them some
Speaker 1: consistency and taking almost all the first team reps when
Speaker 1: last year, for instance, in many years, it was three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks all splitting first team reps. None of them were
Speaker 1: first teamers. And I am starting to buy into everything
Speaker 1: that's being said about Baker Mayfield is growing daily. But
Speaker 1: this is the problem that that your head coach, who
Speaker 1: last year could not pick us quarterback and stand by
Speaker 1: him for a week at a time, this year has
Speaker 1: picked a quarterback and it's sticking by him and saying
Speaker 1: there's no competition, even though Baker Mayfield is so far
Speaker 1: proving to be everything that would make you want to
Speaker 1: draft him at number one overall and buy a Tober.
Speaker 1: People are gonna be saying there will be a controversy.
Speaker 1: Why isn't Baker Mayfield playing. Browns are a high profile
Speaker 1: team for a team that never wins any games. It's
Speaker 1: interesting that that's helped national a high profile team that
Speaker 1: they've They're never boring, but they're also never good on
Speaker 1: the field. Right, there's special type of bad that makes
Speaker 1: them a story. They're not just the Bengals or the
Speaker 1: Jets or some other team that's just kind of like
Speaker 1: wandering through lost seasons. They're really good at being bad
Speaker 1: and now they're trying to be really good. There's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's juice to it. I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the brigad dune, isn't there a happy reunion.
Speaker 1: I think it ends happily. I'll have to go back
Speaker 1: and rewatch that. I'm not sure i've seen it the
Speaker 1: first time around. One word, one word to decide to
Speaker 1: describe the state of the Seattle Seahawks. Listen up twelves
Speaker 1: mid stream and you can look it up. That's one
Speaker 1: word midstream. Uh, Earl Thomas is still what's the definition
Speaker 1: of it? The kind of just in the middle, just
Speaker 1: you're caught. Don't want to interrupt someone mid stream, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be They're not a one side
Speaker 1: or other of land. They're kind of just floating there
Speaker 1: the middle of a stream. There in the middle. There
Speaker 1: literally there's an organization I'm looking at that's online right now.
Speaker 1: There's the middle period of a process course or the
Speaker 1: like that works as well. Mid stream. So that Seattle obviously,
Speaker 1: who's gun Michael Bennett, Richard Sherman, Cliff um As Cam
Speaker 1: Chancellor and Earl Thomas is just this one guy that's
Speaker 1: held over from the famed legion of boom days. Uh
Speaker 1: And really it is overdue that he should have been
Speaker 1: moved out of here if they decide, if they thought
Speaker 1: they weren't going to give him a new deal, they
Speaker 1: should have moved him out before the draft. They should
Speaker 1: have picked a better time that maybe last year when
Speaker 1: they could have seen this all coming, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: And now they still have him here, and you have
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll and press conferences at training camp saying he
Speaker 1: should be here, and you have Earl Thomas who's digging
Speaker 1: his heels in, and you're looking at a situation that
Speaker 1: could be a a huge distraction for the team. But
Speaker 1: b and that's kind of where the midstream thing comes in.
Speaker 1: It's time for this organization to fully move on. But
Speaker 1: the Earl Thomas thing is kind of keeping them in
Speaker 1: this past, this recent past, and not allowing them to
Speaker 1: fully do that. And I don't know if if at
Speaker 1: this point things are so toxic and the timing of
Speaker 1: the NFL calendar makes a trade very difficult, but I
Speaker 1: would take what I could at this point and just
Speaker 1: move on and give the younger guys a chance to play.
Speaker 1: I know they have uh Maurice Alexander, a guy they
Speaker 1: picked up last year. He was working with the number
Speaker 1: one defense today. Uh Bradley McDougald is a free safety.
Speaker 1: So they have they have these guys that are kind
Speaker 1: of the future a team, move on, get out of midstream,
Speaker 1: get to the other side, get the dry land. So
Speaker 1: what to what end is this Seahawks current stance on
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas? What did they hope to get out of
Speaker 1: this to just play out his deal? That makes that's
Speaker 1: what they're hoping. That makes no sense to me. And
Speaker 1: what is a midstream year? We're not gonna use rebuilding
Speaker 1: a midstream year. I don't think they're strong enough to
Speaker 1: contend for the Super Bowl title this year, So why
Speaker 1: why are you trying to get one last h season
Speaker 1: out at Earl Thomas? So you're gonna get a draft
Speaker 1: pick that you can get in the off season anyways,
Speaker 1: you can get it now. If you get it in
Speaker 1: the off season, you can't use it until another year,
Speaker 1: except part of it like this mean, I mean either way,
Speaker 1: it's a two thousand nineteen draft picks. So so if
Speaker 1: they let him go through, they get a compensitive in
Speaker 1: a potential trade. I mean, they could franchise him, they
Speaker 1: can't trade him in the off season. The whole problem, though,
Speaker 1: is that Seattle's trying to sell to their fans and
Speaker 1: everyone this idea that we're no, it's not rebuilding, but
Speaker 1: we're going to give you a second version of the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and that means a new culture where a lot of
Speaker 1: these players that were around that got tired potentially of
Speaker 1: the Pete Carroll message have been moved on and and
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is sort of like the guy that's still there.
Speaker 1: You you you you blew up the whole legion of
Speaker 1: boom and he's still there. He's not hat Right now.
Speaker 1: The rosters midstream, we don't want to trade Marcus. I
Speaker 1: mean they're they're playing guys because there's a couple injuries
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, and guys like Keenan Reynolds and and
Speaker 1: David Moore and Marcus Johnson are getting a lot of snaps.
Speaker 1: And if you look at who's getting the snaps on defense,
Speaker 1: and maybe these will turn out to be good young
Speaker 1: players like t Drich Thompson. But it's Drawn Reid on defense,
Speaker 1: Marcus Smith, you know it's it's it's a midstream roster,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I don't necessarily think will
Speaker 1: be a big part of when they are getting. Maybe
Speaker 1: the case for a trade is you can bring somebody,
Speaker 1: an actual player back that can build a whole um.
Speaker 1: If I don't know what his value, trade value you
Speaker 1: is at this point a year ago, maybe they could
Speaker 1: have gotten a second round pick, or who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: a late first round pick, But now what fourth rounder?
Speaker 1: I think if they wait, I think there they'll wait. Leverage.
Speaker 1: He has to show up at some point or else
Speaker 1: he loses that year of eligibility. So he will show
Speaker 1: up at some point, and so you either trade him,
Speaker 1: I guess, or you try to get some value out
Speaker 1: of him and maybe bag him next. Seems like him
Speaker 1: come in after. To Dan's point, the timing of it
Speaker 1: all is a disaster right now, and he seems like
Speaker 1: a pretty strong willed individuals a rough situation. Uh. Finally, Greg,
Speaker 1: one word on the Buffalo Bills dispiriting. Maybe I was
Speaker 1: hoping you're going to go in a positive direction because
Speaker 1: some people are getting excited, but you're saying dispiriting. There
Speaker 1: are people getting excited about the Bills seven. You know,
Speaker 1: you wait to make the playoffs for seventeen years. You
Speaker 1: finally have a good young head coach I think in
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, and you would hope to be building on that,
Speaker 1: and instead you're splitting reps three ways between AJ McCarron,
Speaker 1: Nathan Peterman and Joshua and that never really seems to work.
Speaker 1: And depending on who you read, you know, Peterman started
Speaker 1: off very slow, but he's getting a lot of first
Speaker 1: team reps. Mccaren has isn't really processing the offense. Allan
Speaker 1: is up and down. But you've got to make some decisions.
Speaker 1: This is not notneing. The two veterans between mccarroen and
Speaker 1: Peterman aren't good enough to bother to split it three
Speaker 1: ways and keep josh Allen out the field developed Josh
Speaker 1: Allen and make a choice with one of the other
Speaker 1: two because they're gonna need all the work they can get.
Speaker 1: They got Andre Holmes and Malachai Dupree as starting wide
Speaker 1: receivers right now, so they need to get as much
Speaker 1: work as they possibly can with the quarterback that they're
Speaker 1: gonna go with in week one, Dez Bryant pulling the
Speaker 1: late period Terrell Owens move and going to Buffalo. It's
Speaker 1: a logical team because he would make them better. They
Speaker 1: showed interest reportedly from the beginning, and Dez didn't want
Speaker 1: to go there. Well, that may, I wonder now when
Speaker 1: he realizes how few options he has, except why not
Speaker 1: wait two weeks because everyone's getting injured left, right, and
Speaker 1: then you see maybe another option opens up. I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree more Greg, because the teams that do this where
Speaker 1: you're you're giving reps three ways, it never works? Is
Speaker 1: this it never works? And their offensive line is going
Speaker 1: to get two of these quarterbacks killed before the third
Speaker 1: one has to start anyways during the season. Is that
Speaker 1: really their fault? Or is it that the off season
Speaker 1: program is so much shorter now that they don't have
Speaker 1: enough time to figure out which one of those three guys? Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's fair. But at the same time they're
Speaker 1: dealing with the same limitations that every team is. Why
Speaker 1: not have one guy get as much preparation as you
Speaker 1: can going into Week one? Right, the other guys are
Speaker 1: gonna get snaps. It's just gonna be with the third team.
Speaker 1: And the biggest problem is they signed the wrong guy
Speaker 1: in free agency. They signed A J. Mccaren is that
Speaker 1: is somebody better they they reportedly I think wanted to
Speaker 1: be in on Sam Bradford. That didn't happen. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and Karen, do you think des Mark knows about you know,
Speaker 1: Western New York is a beautiful Harry. I think he
Speaker 1: knows about Niagara Falls. I would imagine it's probably, you know,
Speaker 1: anecdotally been introduced to him. He's been there, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I just looked it up. It's not one of the
Speaker 1: seven Wonders of the World. Niagara Falls absolutely has a case.
Speaker 1: In my mind, let's get on that to be one.
Speaker 1: Let's get on that committee. There are like three hundred
Speaker 1: wonders did have a case? Which wonder are you knocking
Speaker 1: out the lineup for? You know, you want to hear
Speaker 1: you want to hear what I'm getting. Get out of here.
Speaker 1: Hanging gardens of Babylon that doesn't even exist in don't
Speaker 1: need you Those are ancient wonders world. Update this list,
Speaker 1: get Niagara Falls on there, present that to DEAs and
Speaker 1: see what happens. He's signing all right, I would have
Speaker 1: replaced something else. But I believe there is an updated
Speaker 1: Wonders of the World list. Well, that was the classic seven.
Speaker 1: I only I used it there is. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Colossus of Roads is still around either. That big
Speaker 1: donut near the airport at l A X, that's that's in.
Speaker 1: I only recognize the classic seven Wonders. What about Si
Speaker 1: later taj Mahal, that's that's one of the new ones
Speaker 1: that don't take out is great? You know you're not
Speaker 1: getting rid of the Roman Colosseum. He's been doing good work.
Speaker 1: Machu Picchu in Chichen Itzza. What about that one of
Speaker 1: those ones? So kind of you can maybe sort of
Speaker 1: combine those two. And I've already stated my case to
Speaker 1: get rid of the hanging gardens. All right, that's it
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