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Speaker 1: Welcome to another addition to the Around the NFL podcast
Speaker 1: presented by New Era. My name is Dan, and it's
Speaker 1: joined by a room filled with heroes Mark Seessler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Roosevelt. What is a boise? Hey, Dan, act natural?
Speaker 1: There's a photographer in the room. Once again. I just
Speaker 1: feel insanely nervous. I don't know how to proceed or
Speaker 1: what to do with myself. Um, I'm sorry you're naming it.
Speaker 1: Shilah is in the room. She's taking photos of us all.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be some type of promotional maybe something
Speaker 1: that gets sent out to iTunes or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The only thing we we should do is not be
Speaker 1: caught up in the moment of the flickering camera. I'm
Speaker 1: just staring into your eyes, Ton and trying to track
Speaker 1: what's happening here. The only reason she's even back year
Speaker 1: They already did this once, but some of these the
Speaker 1: room in the room didn't think they looked good enough
Speaker 1: to well, it wasn't It was not the photogra it
Speaker 1: was it was I was told also that when you
Speaker 1: do these promotes, so it was me and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do these promotional things that you want to get a
Speaker 1: wide diverse selection of photos. And I looked at the
Speaker 1: other ones and I thought, it's the photos were crisp,
Speaker 1: they were taken professionally. I was not excited about the
Speaker 1: subject matter um at all, and I was someone someone else.
Speaker 1: You can't change the subject matter, like there's only so
Speaker 1: so well it was we were also just happened one day.
Speaker 1: It was like I remember, I think was a flannel
Speaker 1: shirt or something. There was an email. I said, hey,
Speaker 1: we're good with these this, you know, and then Mark responded, hey,
Speaker 1: let's pump the brakes here. We need a full reshoot.
Speaker 1: And then literally eight seconds later, was like absolutely this
Speaker 1: is the That was like for eight seconds of this
Speaker 1: entire podcast was a diva about anything like that. I
Speaker 1: am in like fourth third place at least on that
Speaker 1: on that rank, at least a deep third place next season,
Speaker 1: I think the off seasoned rank. I think West's exact
Speaker 1: reply was I second everything Mark said. So you were
Speaker 1: not happy either, we're the kissing cousins. I just second
Speaker 1: everything Mark set. I just I couldn't agree more with
Speaker 1: what his opinion of my opinion. Um. So here we
Speaker 1: are again in apologies to the entire photography team at
Speaker 1: NFL Media for going through this dog and pony show again. Um,
Speaker 1: big show news. You already know we're going to England
Speaker 1: next month. Very exciting. It is officially next month now,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's one month from today, September two
Speaker 1: to the tenth. They had someone reach out so that
Speaker 1: we never said the exact dates. There's Sunday to Monday.
Speaker 1: We are traveling the first of September. Where it takes
Speaker 1: a long time. You know, old that is, sir, not
Speaker 1: somebody known for international travel at all. I love it here.
Speaker 1: I love this hard land. You have to get as
Speaker 1: I'm I'm working on the passport right now. Um, and
Speaker 1: I've never traveled this far. It's a fifty five hundred
Speaker 1: mile journey from Los Angeles to Heathrow Airport. Uh So,
Speaker 1: little consternation on my end about that a little bit,
Speaker 1: and my thrilled to be sitting in a metal tube
Speaker 1: for that long leaving my homeland, attle bit. All I
Speaker 1: would tell you is that we've flown some flights on
Speaker 1: some airplanes that probably were produced in like nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 1: We've gotten on the DAN and I have a knack
Speaker 1: for this. These are if it's what it's been when
Speaker 1: Greg and I went, You're going to be treated well
Speaker 1: on these flights. Alright, Okay, free beverages, much more leg room.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's enough beverages to shorten the flight
Speaker 1: via sleep, that would be nice. There are Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to it then. Uh so, yes, that's coming
Speaker 1: up in a month, and yes, people have reached out
Speaker 1: to us on Twitter again. The plan it's gonna be
Speaker 1: there a whole week. We want to do live shows.
Speaker 1: We want to do uh at least one meet and
Speaker 1: greet at a local pub. Uh, there's gonna be the
Speaker 1: Piccadilly Circus scenario. There's gonn be a lot of fun
Speaker 1: stuff going on. So we're gonna get you more details
Speaker 1: as we get them. It just hasn't happened yet. Also, uh,
Speaker 1: this is our video show. Um, so if you check
Speaker 1: out starting Thursday at noon, Starting Thursday, yes, Greg noon
Speaker 1: Eastern thank you, NFL dot com slash a t N Live,
Speaker 1: you can check out the segment that we're doing later today,
Speaker 1: which is um while we're here, Um, well, let me
Speaker 1: just say. The other announcement is that Tomorrow Thursday, maybe
Speaker 1: while you're watching the stream of this episode, we will
Speaker 1: be at Los Angeles Rams Camp. We'll we'll do We're
Speaker 1: gonna do a whole show from RAMS Camp UM and
Speaker 1: that will go up Friday, and we're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: some RAMS stars um hopefully get some big fish over
Speaker 1: in rams Land. So that's very exciting. So that's what's
Speaker 1: coming up on Friday. Show taping tomorrow. And yes, the
Speaker 1: segment on the video show that you'll be able to
Speaker 1: see is what you people don't know about teams no
Speaker 1: one is talking about or maybe it's just us. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit uh, maybe a little confusing, a little convoluted.
Speaker 1: It's gonna make more sense when we get to that
Speaker 1: seg today. It's the really two different titles of the
Speaker 1: segment smashed together. We decided to do that. One note
Speaker 1: on the RAMS visit, Uh, we'll need a ride from you, Dan,
Speaker 1: because my car is not in my house right now.
Speaker 1: I was planning to use that time to have some privacy.
Speaker 1: I need a ride too. Wouldn't it be nice for
Speaker 1: us to go as why should we? We aren't the
Speaker 1: seventy six Red Sox here. Why are we taking twenty
Speaker 1: caps for guys? I'm I'm the type of person I'm
Speaker 1: I'm taking my own car. I don't like Oh we
Speaker 1: know that cars? I can't we know that music? What
Speaker 1: if something happens, you have to leave it? Well, that's fine,
Speaker 1: and you too enjoy the ram show while West and
Speaker 1: I Carlos remain at our houses. No, of course you
Speaker 1: boys can have a ride with me. Um uh if
Speaker 1: you can come to designated pickup point, which is my driveway.
Speaker 1: Of course, at least we can. Okay, now we'll figure
Speaker 1: it out. We're gonna make it work anyway. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that. But there's the news to
Speaker 1: get to. First. To do that, we checked behind the
Speaker 1: glass there she is Loose Cannon. Hello, Hello Erica, tam Posty.
Speaker 1: What do we know about Erica? She's talented both with
Speaker 1: a camera and with the mike, and she has a
Speaker 1: infatuation with both Colleen Wolf and Danny Amendola. Uh and
Speaker 1: also a little different too. But okay, okay, I mean
Speaker 1: but the basically it's true though you have that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and our last show, you actually reached out on text.
Speaker 1: You you you shared it with the people. Uh. Hey,
Speaker 1: the guys are saying that I'm obsessed with you, Colleen,
Speaker 1: And then you've got a no answer. Yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 1: have you answer? Yeah, yeah to this. Today she texted
Speaker 1: our group to because it's a group, it's Emma's birthday
Speaker 1: to five um. So she texted happy birthday, Emma, and
Speaker 1: then she was like, I miss you so much. And
Speaker 1: then she said what about that other girl? What's her name, Amelia?
Speaker 1: And then then Emma said Aaron, and then they kind
Speaker 1: of went back and forth. So I'm gonna chop her.
Speaker 1: She's chopped chopped. You guys should just do your own show.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the way you interact. We're thinking
Speaker 1: about it. I won't be ignored, Colleen. All right, let's
Speaker 1: do some news. You have to get him for his birthday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a secret. We would all get in. Trouble is
Speaker 1: that Rock feels like talking about Tom Brady's birthday at
Speaker 1: at the presser and he was like, we'd all get in.
Speaker 1: We had the nervous laugh. That was gronk. Wasn't that weird? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was a little bit weird, pretty weird. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: forty one years old, on Friday. Let's start with the
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders, who have a reel so aious situation developing
Speaker 1: now with Khalil Mack, their star defender. He has not
Speaker 1: reported to training camp as we know. Um, he is
Speaker 1: in the fifth year or he's in the final year
Speaker 1: of his contract on that fifth year rookie option bass
Speaker 1: salary three thirteen point eight million. Uh, he wants an extension.
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened yet. The Raiders haven't come forward with
Speaker 1: a present offer and there have been no contract discussions
Speaker 1: with Max agent since February rap Sheet reported. Uh. John
Speaker 1: Gruden West hasn't even met the dude since becoming the
Speaker 1: head coach. I'm we probably met him during ESPN product
Speaker 1: pre production meetings, but never as a head coach in
Speaker 1: the of the Raiders. This one feels dicey. I did
Speaker 1: a triple take when I heard the news that John
Speaker 1: Gruden hadn't even really talked to Keel Khalil Max since
Speaker 1: what February. This defense was one of the worst in
Speaker 1: the league last year, and John Gruden knows it was
Speaker 1: one of the worst in the league. His personnel isn't
Speaker 1: that great, and he knows their defense has to be better,
Speaker 1: and yet there's no sign of Khalil Mack coming to
Speaker 1: camp an he signed to any anytime soon. The part
Speaker 1: about Gruden not having spoken after hearing a little more
Speaker 1: about it doesn't sound out of the ordinary that no
Speaker 1: coach would speak with a player in a in a
Speaker 1: contract hold out like that, or that that's not too abnormal.
Speaker 1: Not having any contract toxins. February seems insane, like what
Speaker 1: are we what are we doing here? I think we
Speaker 1: can surmise that Mac had a certain area where he
Speaker 1: let the team know what he's looking for, and the
Speaker 1: Raiders had their area, and they're so insanely far apart
Speaker 1: that neither side wants to make the first move and
Speaker 1: it's a crazy stair down. But it's like, get over
Speaker 1: it here. Since February, what what are you there for?
Speaker 1: I mean, we spent the last couple episodes talking about
Speaker 1: the Falcons in their phone office and how over and
Speaker 1: over when there's hurdles they find a way to get
Speaker 1: their best players on the field, and that Raiders desperately.
Speaker 1: They're they're a team that's top heavy. They have a
Speaker 1: couple i'd say so called stars, and Derek Carr. We
Speaker 1: think he is potentially Khalil Mack. Absolutely, But if the
Speaker 1: if you have wanted who these guys not there in September,
Speaker 1: John Gruden, the shine is gonna come off real quick
Speaker 1: when suddenly that defense is on Khalil Mack. You do
Speaker 1: wonder if there he's waiting for Aaron Donald. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's like two horses in the race here potentially though,
Speaker 1: And for the record, you're right calling Derek Carr a
Speaker 1: so called star. I'm not saying he's not that up
Speaker 1: and down. He correct, he is a superstar. Well, I
Speaker 1: understand there's a double agenda here on our show, but
Speaker 1: I just I'm waiting to see what he does Undergrood
Speaker 1: in this season. And just America, by the way, can
Speaker 1: you just put together like a five second or not
Speaker 1: social clip of Mark Sane so called staring and had
Speaker 1: some sort of tampost the elements where then you show
Speaker 1: like a picture of David Carr like making a face
Speaker 1: that will go poorly in the corner for you. I
Speaker 1: can smell it. Uh. And by the way, hold out
Speaker 1: gets tossed around a lot, especially with the rookies. Uh,
Speaker 1: not a holdout when you're a rookie, you haven't signed
Speaker 1: a contract, but this is a hold out. It costs
Speaker 1: money for Kalil Mack. He's subject to a thirty thou
Speaker 1: dollar fine each day he missed his training camp. That
Speaker 1: will add up. I guess that does that typically get
Speaker 1: wiped out or worked out. Not this time, Greg, this
Speaker 1: will be different. Can you imagine suffering a thirty fine?
Speaker 1: I would be in deep water. I basically had to
Speaker 1: grovel to a woman outside my house who wanted to
Speaker 1: take it my car for being parked on the street,
Speaker 1: and UH basically show my most sensitive, vulnerable side to
Speaker 1: say you, basically you can't do this to me. And
Speaker 1: it was like a fifty dollar tickets right the ticket.
Speaker 1: You don't see that side from Dan Offen seen it was.
Speaker 1: It was a desperate moment for the old juser. Moving on,
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings are in business. The Minnesota Vikings are
Speaker 1: in business with Stefon Diggs, their star wide receiver. They
Speaker 1: agreed to terms on a new contract. Tom Pellicero and
Speaker 1: Mike Garifolo reported on Tuesday, UH team leader announced the
Speaker 1: signing five year deal. We're seventy two million, eighty one
Speaker 1: million max forty million and guarantees but not guaranteed, greg Um.
Speaker 1: This is a nice raise for a guy that, as
Speaker 1: we remember from last year's playoffs, can change the fortunes
Speaker 1: of a team with his abilities as a great player.
Speaker 1: And now Gregg he's locked in. He's one of many
Speaker 1: young Vikings to be locked in through and it's tough
Speaker 1: to predict what's going to happen in the NFL over
Speaker 1: three years. I remember thinking the Seahawks window was wide open,
Speaker 1: and it really was for a few years when they
Speaker 1: got everyone signed, But now that's over. But the Vikings
Speaker 1: to me, are the closest thing to that right now
Speaker 1: in the NFL. They have Xavier Rhodes, Everson Griffin, Harrison Smith,
Speaker 1: Adam Theland. All of these guys sign long term kirk
Speaker 1: cousins of the quadruple of salary cap of any other team.
Speaker 1: They've done a great job there, Rick Spielman and then
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't want to mispronounce their salary cap
Speaker 1: guy's name. A lot of them if you look at
Speaker 1: their deals, they're all kind of undermarkets. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: say his name, including Stefon Diggs and thelan are for
Speaker 1: maybe the best receiver group in the league, very very
Speaker 1: well compensated from a team perspective. Stevon Diggs is a
Speaker 1: perfect example why spouting off stats will never replace watching
Speaker 1: film because you could make a case looking at say,
Speaker 1: Jordan Matthews production versus Stephen Diggs are similar receivers. There's
Speaker 1: nothing similar about them. Diggs is such a much better player.
Speaker 1: He ranked first last year in Pro Football Focus, is
Speaker 1: contested catch rating, and in our former workmate Matt Harmon's
Speaker 1: UH next Gen stats tight window throws. He is making
Speaker 1: plays one on one down the field like no outside
Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL, and he does get hurt quite
Speaker 1: a bit. He's not the most durable guy, but he
Speaker 1: is a playmaker and that's why he's getting paid. Rob Brazinski,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's correct, because there's
Speaker 1: a couple of difference. I was close with Richard Hyzinga,
Speaker 1: and I just came up with that out of thin air.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, had a connection to Wayne
Speaker 1: maybe and just stayed in the industry. Eric Kendricks is
Speaker 1: another the guy that they have signed. I think Anthony
Speaker 1: Barr is really the only one that you think of
Speaker 1: as kind of a core Vikings player that they're gonna
Speaker 1: let go. Daniel Hunter was another guy I didn't even
Speaker 1: mention they really have, Like do you think they let Bargo?
Speaker 1: I do, just because I think they sort of have
Speaker 1: made their pecking order, and he seems like a guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna make a lot of money, And they valued
Speaker 1: Kendricks and Digs and all these other players I think
Speaker 1: ahead of NFL teams don't really break the bank for
Speaker 1: off ball linebackers, and I think that's why he's not
Speaker 1: going to be one who's gonna get paid by the Vikings. Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of wide receivers in the NFC, Doug Baldwin, who
Speaker 1: is Russell Wilson's favorite target in Seattle, he has been
Speaker 1: shut down. Pete Carroll revealed Tuesday Baldwin has quote a
Speaker 1: little bit of a sore knee. Um. He led the
Speaker 1: team and catches and yards last year, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: be out a couple of weeks, Carol said. Um, and
Speaker 1: he also had he's gonna be out a while. Sounds
Speaker 1: like something a little worrisome there, Mr cecler Well, I
Speaker 1: just look at their lineup of wide receivers and if
Speaker 1: he if for some reason, it's the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that lingers on because some of these things where these
Speaker 1: these preseason injuries where right, it's already lingering, and if
Speaker 1: it goes on and on, you've got Tyler luck Att,
Speaker 1: who's great, jeral Brown, I don't know, Brandon Marshall, I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure he makes the team. And then from
Speaker 1: there it's projects. Yeah, this is one of the worst
Speaker 1: receiving corps in the league. If Doug Baldwin is not
Speaker 1: not healthy, he he because of how much better he
Speaker 1: is and the history has with Russell Wilson. He's one
Speaker 1: of the most valuable receivers in football, not just that
Speaker 1: he's a great player, which he is, but just the
Speaker 1: cliff that they fall off. You're right, David Moore, who
Speaker 1: was the seventh round pick a year ago, has been
Speaker 1: taking some first team snaps. Marcus Johnson, guy they got
Speaker 1: from the Eagles. I mean, how about this guy, Damma
Speaker 1: Ray a string fellow. I would like to see him
Speaker 1: making taking some serious snaps in September October a little
Speaker 1: bit of work, but concering asking a lot of Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: I feel like they ask a lot of Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: and I'm not really sure if I'm buying the like
Speaker 1: puff piece. Brian Schottenheimer and Russell Wilson, they're having like
Speaker 1: a mind mill. They're just as Russell Wilson said on
Speaker 1: an air, Hey, we're just two guys that love ball.
Speaker 1: That was a quote Russell Wilson's entourages. That's still a thing.
Speaker 1: He had his bros. And they sit in the box
Speaker 1: at Mariners games and they all Yet I think he's
Speaker 1: like a he's a married man. I might have just said,
Speaker 1: has there ever been a feature story ostensibly that would
Speaker 1: make a player look better? Been more damaging than that
Speaker 1: entourage Russell Wilson piece. I mean, that's how I think
Speaker 1: of damaging until like people like us that are snarky.
Speaker 1: But like you know, it wasn't he kind of came
Speaker 1: up maybe not how it was intended for him to
Speaker 1: come off. I agree with you on that. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there that have that
Speaker 1: vibe from Russell Wilson that just like yeah, um. Also
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball. Another injury to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Dion Jordan's, who got his career
Speaker 1: back on track with the Seahawks. He's he's shut down
Speaker 1: right now. He had a stress reaction in his Shin
Speaker 1: also will be sidelined a while per Tom Pelicero, So
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that. They need pass Yeah, who's
Speaker 1: who's getting to the quarterback? And the quick thing before
Speaker 1: we move on is Jeff. Jeff Schwartz, who is a
Speaker 1: good following Twitter pointed out with Doug Baldin, when you
Speaker 1: ever you have a sore need to start training camp
Speaker 1: like time off is not going to solve that. It's
Speaker 1: just something that you're gonna have to manage during the year.
Speaker 1: Unless you get surgery. It's just gonna at some point
Speaker 1: keep getting worse and worse. It depends what kind of
Speaker 1: knee injury it is. I think, and you get the
Speaker 1: story at that. You know in February and March I
Speaker 1: wasn't healthy the whole year. Next will be different. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna it's not gonna totally recover. Obviously, it's good
Speaker 1: to take some time off, but it's a problem bad
Speaker 1: news for the Packers who lose a key member of
Speaker 1: their defense, starting linebacker Jake Ryan diagnosed with the season
Speaker 1: ending torn a c L. Rap Sheet reported Ryan suffered
Speaker 1: the injury during Monday's practice, carded off the field. When
Speaker 1: that happens to one of your your guys. This time
Speaker 1: of year, you just hope good news comes back. It
Speaker 1: did not work out that way. How much does this
Speaker 1: hurt the Packers West Not nearly as bad as if
Speaker 1: it was the other inside linebacker Blake Martinez, who had
Speaker 1: a breakout year last year and stays on the field
Speaker 1: on passing down. Jake Ryan is more of a run
Speaker 1: defender who gets lost sometimes in past coverage, So I
Speaker 1: think they can plug another guy in there and be
Speaker 1: fine here. I think they're very talented defense that's under
Speaker 1: the radar, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Mike
Speaker 1: Petton does with him. I wish I had done them
Speaker 1: making the leap on them, and I think Jake Ryan,
Speaker 1: to your point, I think they have enough talent that
Speaker 1: they can overcome. I still remember watching him trying to
Speaker 1: guard David Johnson in the playoffs and just getting smoked.
Speaker 1: But he did get better last year, so it's it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bit of a loss, but it's
Speaker 1: not really like losing one of your best defensive players. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: on the throne of sleeves, Jordan Matthews signed with the
Speaker 1: team the Patriots, hoping to find a role in their
Speaker 1: wide receiver room, especially with Julian Edelman sidelined four weeks
Speaker 1: with suspension. Well, that's not gonna happen. Uh He's he's
Speaker 1: injured and dealing with that injury has led to his
Speaker 1: release from the team, a significant hamstring in reason, what
Speaker 1: did him? In? Rap Sheet reported that the Patriots are
Speaker 1: moving on um and this is the same Matthews has
Speaker 1: had mark a bit of a I mean, I want
Speaker 1: to call it a wild fall from grace because he
Speaker 1: maybe never really became the guy anybody wanted to be.
Speaker 1: But he went from being a contributor with the Eagles
Speaker 1: lost year in Buffalo now he's not even on a
Speaker 1: roster in August. Uh So it's been a tough couple
Speaker 1: of years for It was a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: that we were penciling him in for major snaps because
Speaker 1: of Julian Edelman being out and they would need him,
Speaker 1: and that could have led to more in New England
Speaker 1: because if you do, if you if you produce, Belichick
Speaker 1: might keep you around and unleash you at various weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, Eric Decker was in there yesterday. They we
Speaker 1: were saying before the show, they have a weird wide
Speaker 1: receiver room right now, it's it's an unusual group of
Speaker 1: people that you would imagine would be on New England's roster.
Speaker 1: I mean it's only the first week of August, but
Speaker 1: right now, Philip dors Set and Cordurell Patterson would probably
Speaker 1: be their number two and three receivers. Malcolm Mitchell has
Speaker 1: been hurt, Kenny britt has been hurt. Julian Edelman's not
Speaker 1: going to be back. Why are we dragging this out
Speaker 1: when Eric Docker just signed with the team? Fulfill your
Speaker 1: destiny and go sixty. But Josh McDaniels drafted Eric Decker
Speaker 1: in Denver so he would replace Danni Mendola as kind
Speaker 1: of like the hot guy, hot hot white guy. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Eric Decker is not a
Speaker 1: bad looking bro. Yeah, but I'm still sore. You know,
Speaker 1: it still hurts that that Danny's gone. So I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. Rarely doesn't obsessed fan, though, have a chance
Speaker 1: to like openly face time with their hero as you
Speaker 1: did with him famously, Danny A. Mendola answered FaceTime with
Speaker 1: his shirt off. Are you okay, Erica? If you just
Speaker 1: want to have a professional, professional workplace environments and other
Speaker 1: news Cults offensive lineman Jack me Ord announced his retirement
Speaker 1: New York. You know New York. What war? I think
Speaker 1: it's Mehart. No, no, No, that's in York. No, no,
Speaker 1: new Art. The w is basically silent. I have that
Speaker 1: on authority, two sources. But um jackmort announced his retirements
Speaker 1: today at the age of twenty six, just four seasons
Speaker 1: in the league. He has been UH second round pick
Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen, but injuries have really took their toll,
Speaker 1: limited just fifteen games in the last two seasons. Uh
Speaker 1: so Uh still this came as a surprise, Greg Rosental,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's just a shame. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: ranked by PFF as a top fifteen guard. Uh in
Speaker 1: his second year in the league. He was kind of
Speaker 1: known in the Colts facility as you know, one of
Speaker 1: the hardest workers, one of the most like guys, was
Speaker 1: Frank Gore's best best friend on the team. And then
Speaker 1: suddenly your your career is over at twenty six. It's tough,
Speaker 1: tough business, tough bracket. Is he is? He his best
Speaker 1: friend left? Did that impact this? I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 1: He mentioned, you know, the devastating question, lose your favorite person,
Speaker 1: and I mean I think it was, you know, the
Speaker 1: life changing knee injuries he keeps suffering. Possibly this feels
Speaker 1: like he came to camp and after overcoming knee injuries,
Speaker 1: and maybe there's still a problem. He probably looked at
Speaker 1: the writing in the wall and said, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: win the starting job because they are a lot deeper.
Speaker 1: They've got Brandon Smith their second rounder, Quintin Nelson the
Speaker 1: first rounder. They say, signed Matt Slawson, who has started
Speaker 1: for the Bears and Charges over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: This is a much much deeper offensive line than it's been.
Speaker 1: West has got the colts fever this year long. I'm
Speaker 1: it doesn't take much for me to get Colts fever.
Speaker 1: Um the glass half it did last year. Oh they're
Speaker 1: terrible list year, but they also didn't have Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1: The glass half empty view on that pronunciation gaff uh
Speaker 1: is that, hey, you should know that. You should have
Speaker 1: known it, You should have said it right. You could
Speaker 1: be right the glass half full. I don't need to
Speaker 1: note anymore. Moving on, happy trails, Jack, Johnny, Johnny, here
Speaker 1: we go, Here we go this either Johnny Manziel has
Speaker 1: comeback tour, which is you know, been off to a
Speaker 1: sputtering start up North. Uh he was traded, as we know,
Speaker 1: from the Hamilton's Tiger Cats I believe correct, to the
Speaker 1: Montreal Alouettes, and he will start on Friday against his
Speaker 1: former team, the Hamilton's Tiger Cats, which by the way
Speaker 1: is y um. If you if we ever play the
Speaker 1: one word game again, Mark, which you probably won't, you
Speaker 1: could use Tiger Cats. If it's in connection to the
Speaker 1: CFL team might have to the heads up. So Manzell
Speaker 1: Alots are one of the worst teams in that league.
Speaker 1: Uh So he's going to get a chance to play.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens, and he needs to turn some
Speaker 1: heads to find his way back to the NFL still
Speaker 1: far away off there. It's it's such a fun subplot.
Speaker 1: Last week when he was the backup the starter for
Speaker 1: the Alouettes was like clearly annoyed about Manziel's presence and
Speaker 1: would refuse to answer any questions about after the game
Speaker 1: and was just like really angry about it. Now he's
Speaker 1: Ben It's like every team he's been on. Basically, I
Speaker 1: would say this Tomorrow night is the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1: Friday night is this game This game has more going
Speaker 1: on right now than the Hall of Fame game. Come on,
Speaker 1: but the overall I'm gonna watch this, the overall pictures
Speaker 1: football is back there is Get excited. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the Hall of Fame game
Speaker 1: and a bit uh. That's what's happening in the news. Ah.
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Speaker 1: here we go. It is time listen. Sometimes we get
Speaker 1: in rhythms on the show, and we will find there
Speaker 1: will be certain teams, a handful of teams, a big
Speaker 1: handful teams, but not the entire league. Will get interested
Speaker 1: in certain teams, and we'll find ourselves going back to
Speaker 1: those teams over and over again. UM. So what we
Speaker 1: want to do here the segment today is really dig
Speaker 1: into some teams we we haven't been talking about as
Speaker 1: much on the podcast lately. Uh, And that led us
Speaker 1: to today's segment entitled what you people don't know about
Speaker 1: teams no one is talking about or maybe it's just us.
Speaker 1: There you go. So that's today's seg What do you
Speaker 1: think about that? Mark? Um? I like it. I think
Speaker 1: you know. When we were producing this segment, it clearly
Speaker 1: was the result of two distinct ideas kind of being
Speaker 1: smushed into one idea, and why not have two ideas
Speaker 1: instead of one? The main idea of teams no One
Speaker 1: that we haven't been talking about, so let's give them
Speaker 1: some love, Frankenstein monster of sorts to some degree, it's
Speaker 1: also a way to get like training camp whispers out
Speaker 1: there to the people, which is a third segment. So
Speaker 1: now we have to set an unspoken way but certainly
Speaker 1: baked in. All right, So here's here's the rule of
Speaker 1: this particular seg um. The teams that we have been
Speaker 1: talking about, we got together and we figure out what
Speaker 1: teams have we been hitting on quite a bit during
Speaker 1: this offseason and throughout the summer. So what we have
Speaker 1: is a blacklist. And let me start um by reading
Speaker 1: off the teams that are on the blacklist. And if
Speaker 1: you're on the blacklist, you cannot come up from this
Speaker 1: point onward. In the show in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: Here's the blacklist and alphabetical alphabetical order, so don't get wait,
Speaker 1: So are some teams that are on the blacklist? Are
Speaker 1: their hats in front of you? We gotta lose the
Speaker 1: hats on the video show. We gotta lose the hats
Speaker 1: if they're on here as well, so we'll take it
Speaker 1: off the list. We have someone yet, come in and
Speaker 1: take the hatchet in there. Get the intern here. Cam.
Speaker 1: You gotta stay out of the shot though, so just
Speaker 1: if you can get and if you see the hats
Speaker 1: as we tick them off the name of the blacklist,
Speaker 1: just just toss them. Come on, hurry up, Cam, certain
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Speaker 1: a coffee after or anything? And no, actually really taking advantage.
Speaker 1: All right, there's Cam. Hey, what's up buddy? Um? All right,
Speaker 1: here we go. Here's the team the blacklists, and again
Speaker 1: this is the blacklist. This is mark alphabetical. So don't
Speaker 1: get upset that a certain team from Cleveland comes up first.
Speaker 1: Don't read into it, don't get into your feelings. I
Speaker 1: will keep a handle on it. Browns, You're done, you
Speaker 1: don't Chargers gone. We're the only place talks about the
Speaker 1: Chargers too much, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, Jets, Patriots. Let me
Speaker 1: handle that one who later rams Ravens, Steel Seahawks, Steelers.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's the camp. Thank you, Bron,
Speaker 1: you're the man. You We will not bring up any
Speaker 1: of those teams, not even a reference, not an off
Speaker 1: handed reference, not allowed. In fact, there will be a
Speaker 1: penalty issued to anyone. And that's where Blant men, Blanche men.
Speaker 1: What I'm holding in my hand and new again, if
Speaker 1: we watch us on the video show is our segment
Speaker 1: sin Jar. I'm gonna put it right here. It's sitting
Speaker 1: right between West and I, right in the center of
Speaker 1: the table. Anybody that brings up any of those forbidden teams,
Speaker 1: you gotta drop some money. It's one of those luxurious
Speaker 1: NFL media vases that we pulled from somewhere in the building.
Speaker 1: Uh So, if if you make an eric, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to ask you to help with this the tracking.
Speaker 1: If one of the forbidden Blacklist teams come up, hit
Speaker 1: the hit the iron, and then I hope everybody brought money,
Speaker 1: because this is not a Venmo scenario. You put a
Speaker 1: credit card in there. If you have to. Uh. So
Speaker 1: let's get into it now. So, with those teams eliminated,
Speaker 1: we each picked two of the remaining teams. I believe
Speaker 1: we had about uh twenty or so teams to choose from.
Speaker 1: UM and let's start with Mark Sessler. Uh, what team
Speaker 1: did you choose? I went with the Lions? Okay, So
Speaker 1: I feel like we almost never talked about the Lions
Speaker 1: other than to casually dismiss them, right or to laugh
Speaker 1: about the Amir Abdullah projections. Isn't that's their function in
Speaker 1: life to be casually dismissed. It has been week four teen.
Speaker 1: Will call up Patrick and be like, for another season?
Speaker 1: It has been? And I think my my big issue
Speaker 1: with them is that they've been, in a word, boring
Speaker 1: for so long. But after years of Detroit being dangerously
Speaker 1: ultra dole, what you hobby horse people don't know is
Speaker 1: this will be one of the most improved teams in
Speaker 1: the league in the category of going from a snooze
Speaker 1: fest to a watchable week to week offering. For me,
Speaker 1: it starts with matt Patricia. I think Matthew Stafford, we've
Speaker 1: seen him on NFL never a couple of times he's
Speaker 1: trimmed down he looks fantastic. He's coming off a good season.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna produce his best season. They've got
Speaker 1: three good receivers, Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Kenny Galladay, Ziggy
Speaker 1: Anza is my one. I like him, but I'm my
Speaker 1: concern in general is the defense. In the past rush
Speaker 1: I see that they have to score a lot of points,
Speaker 1: but they finally have a deep backfield. Forever. They annoyed
Speaker 1: me for so long because they put so much pressure
Speaker 1: on Matt you Stafford in the passing game to come
Speaker 1: back because even if they build a lead, they'd lose
Speaker 1: it and they have to rely on the passing game
Speaker 1: to get back there. Now you've got La Garry Blunt
Speaker 1: our boy, You've got Abdullah. We'll see what he can do.
Speaker 1: And carry on Johnson and the offensive line. They've finally
Speaker 1: got a good offensive line. I like this team. I
Speaker 1: my one point of where where am I supposed to see? That?
Speaker 1: The backfield is gonna be so much improved? Like I
Speaker 1: think you've got different types inside New England. Are Abdullah
Speaker 1: carry on? I think carry on Johnson? Maybe he's got mentioned.
Speaker 1: You see, I've paid it and I brought I brought
Speaker 1: money a couple of twenties in there, all right, I apologize. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good, baby, it's yeah. For the show, maybe it's better.
Speaker 1: I think that Matthew Stafford has become one of the
Speaker 1: most fun quarterbacks to watch, and his movement inside and
Speaker 1: outside the pocket to get away from pressure is that
Speaker 1: as high level as any quarterback in the game. I
Speaker 1: think what people out there don't know that you hit
Speaker 1: on was how good the offensive line. Finally, I think
Speaker 1: that could be kind of what they become known for.
Speaker 1: And if you have a great offensive line with rag
Speaker 1: Now at left guard, and if they're healthier and Taylor
Speaker 1: Decker and t J. Lang Ricky, like, that's a great,
Speaker 1: strong group and they're protecting for Stafford in the middle
Speaker 1: of his prime with three great receivers. And I don't
Speaker 1: really care about the running game that much. I think
Speaker 1: they'll figure it out. I think it'll end up being
Speaker 1: close enough to average. If you can protect and you
Speaker 1: have a passing game that good like the Patriots, the
Speaker 1: running game can take care of Wow, um, everybody, isn't
Speaker 1: that I mention it? So that's that's interesting when you
Speaker 1: when you think spend forward into making predictions for seasonal awards.
Speaker 1: He's been great post jim Bob cooer if he's truly
Speaker 1: at his apex as a quarterback and we like everything
Speaker 1: around him, the lines better than ever ever. I wonder
Speaker 1: sneaky VP candidate, Alright, you're up west. What you clowns
Speaker 1: don't know about the San Francisco forty Niners is there
Speaker 1: is reason to be excited beyond Jimmy Garoppolo and Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan when it comes to this offense down the stretch
Speaker 1: last year, when they were playing so well and specifically
Speaker 1: in the route of the Jacksonville Jaguars, I came away
Speaker 1: thinking Matt Brada is better than Carlos Hide. He's more
Speaker 1: of a playmaker than Carlos Hide. And for all the
Speaker 1: money they paid to Jerick McKinnon, do not be surprised
Speaker 1: if Matt Brada by the end of the season outproduces
Speaker 1: Jerick McKinnon. This guy is a good player. He's a playmaker.
Speaker 1: Austin Pettis, their second round rookie, looks like one of
Speaker 1: those guys who is going to make a big pack
Speaker 1: right off the bat because he's a return, dynamic return
Speaker 1: guy and he's getting snaps in the slot. This year.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line is much too much improved. Pierre Garson
Speaker 1: is healthy. I don't think the forty niners are like
Speaker 1: some fluke that just got hot in December. I think
Speaker 1: this offense has has a lot of potential. Have concerns
Speaker 1: about the defensive side of the ball. There are to
Speaker 1: me what I and I wrote about this in my
Speaker 1: mailbag today. He Garoppolo is gonna have to be as
Speaker 1: good as we all think he can be. I think
Speaker 1: because the NFC is so loaded, it's gonna be they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to really have something super special and Garoppolo
Speaker 1: and maybe they do because the defense they don't really
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. They have the issues with Ruben Foster.
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman's like the centerpiece of that secondary now and
Speaker 1: is he the same players? A lot of question marks
Speaker 1: on that side. They have some pieces on defense though
Speaker 1: it's not it's not some of these teams that we
Speaker 1: don't talk about, but they statistically we're not a good
Speaker 1: defense last year. We also, I don't think we know
Speaker 1: yet who Robert sala is as a defensive coordinator. He's
Speaker 1: not Vic Fonsio, but what is is he an asset.
Speaker 1: Is he a liability? I saw Steve White downstairs last
Speaker 1: week and he pointed out that their defensive coordinator is
Speaker 1: a secret, huge asset in San Francisco. It didn't show
Speaker 1: up last year on the field. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's trying to bring a lot of the same principles
Speaker 1: that the Seahawks have done on defense. And they are
Speaker 1: really high on a Killow Weatherspoon and Kawan Williams, these
Speaker 1: two young cornerbacks that are with Richard Sherman. I have
Speaker 1: to just trust them on that, I guess, or just
Speaker 1: wait because they're those two guys. And really that secondary
Speaker 1: with Sherman, as Dan mentioned, is an X factor because
Speaker 1: on paper doesn't look too good and they got they got,
Speaker 1: they got beat down last year pretty often. Um, I'll
Speaker 1: just start out there. Over under victories nine and a half.
Speaker 1: Where does everybody come down? Take the under? I think
Speaker 1: is a successful season five. I still feel like they're building.
Speaker 1: They're not yet like contending. If you look that would
Speaker 1: be a success. I'm gonna say under, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say I don't see any team more overrated in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL when you look at the odds, like in
Speaker 1: the Desert. Look into the season like the odds to
Speaker 1: win the division or the super Bowl or anything. The
Speaker 1: forty nine is to me, are the most over It's
Speaker 1: what you've done. They're already in the playoffs that they're
Speaker 1: like one of the playoff teams. They went into the
Speaker 1: off season as the buzziest thing in the entire NFC
Speaker 1: that did not make the playoffs. And everyone wants to assume,
Speaker 1: because Jimmy Garoppolo was a nearly flawless that you're gonna
Speaker 1: inferral some sort of fourteen in two season. They're gonna
Speaker 1: encounter problems and they're in They're in a conference that
Speaker 1: in the a f C would probably have three extra
Speaker 1: teams make the playoffs. Yeah, they're in a loaded, top
Speaker 1: heavy NFC. Um all right, Um, what you bozos fail
Speaker 1: to realize is that the Denver Broncos maybe closer to
Speaker 1: picking him the top five next day April than getting
Speaker 1: back to the play You guys don't see it. Tell
Speaker 1: us how you see it. Um, Listen, I know you
Speaker 1: know John Ella. He's a great guy. He's amazing a guy.
Speaker 1: He's a little Um. I just thought there was a
Speaker 1: bit of a rush to uh crown him once more
Speaker 1: as a guy that has everything figured out in the draft,
Speaker 1: and perhaps that draft with Chub at the top and
Speaker 1: UH and some of the defensive pieces they added, will
Speaker 1: allow that team to kind of regain its dominant edge
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. And from where
Speaker 1: I stand, it's like, if that doesn't happen, if he
Speaker 1: suddenly because this guy hasn't been a good talent scout
Speaker 1: or a draft of talent for several years now post
Speaker 1: Super Bowl win, if that, if that, if that doesn't change,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't hit some home runs, why why do
Speaker 1: we think the Broncos are gonna score points? Why do
Speaker 1: we think there's suddenly going to uh turn back into
Speaker 1: this uh defensive juggernaut that wins games? Case Keenum. The
Speaker 1: more I think about that signing, the more I just
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I mean that maybe last year
Speaker 1: with what he did in Minnesota transfers over. But I'd
Speaker 1: be much more uh surprised, or would be. I'd be
Speaker 1: less surprised if he turns into the old Case keenom
Speaker 1: because now he's surrounded by the type of talent maybe
Speaker 1: that he was, and all the other stops. What if
Speaker 1: you get ram Case keenom is what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a couple of expre say, a couple of
Speaker 1: other things here, because if all right, technicality, if you said,
Speaker 1: what if you get rams refers to the player, that's fine.
Speaker 1: That's how this game marks. I got banged a little
Speaker 1: bit there. You bang yourself anyway, What if we get
Speaker 1: what if we get the old case? And who's on
Speaker 1: the bench, Paxton Lynch and Chad Kelly. Those are the options,
Speaker 1: the fallback options. The offensive line was bad last year?
Speaker 1: He had an awesome offensive line keenom uh last season?
Speaker 1: What if that line is no good? What if Royce
Speaker 1: Freeman is in an upgrade on C J Anderson. I
Speaker 1: just think there's a path that you can go down
Speaker 1: in Denver that is very dark, the darkest timeline four
Speaker 1: and twelve vance Joseph who impressed no one. It sounds
Speaker 1: like last year he gets cleaned out and suddenly always
Speaker 1: uh is uh gm ng for his life this time
Speaker 1: next spring. I guess a couple of factors because we
Speaker 1: just talked earlier in the show about the Vikings being
Speaker 1: this NFC team that are so stocked on offense that
Speaker 1: you can see that it obviously helped case Keenum. I
Speaker 1: mean he grew as a quarterback too, but you need
Speaker 1: Corton Sutherland to produce as a rookie. You have the
Speaker 1: same two wide receivers there that you've had forever, and
Speaker 1: Sanders and Thomas that it's one of these backfields where
Speaker 1: it's totally wide open because there's no clear number one
Speaker 1: back and the offensive line has issues on the right
Speaker 1: side of the two sacks allowed last year and there
Speaker 1: were not major upgrades brought in. I don't worry about
Speaker 1: the defense at all, but you're right about the offense.
Speaker 1: How many offenses around the league do you not know
Speaker 1: who's going to be the starting running back, the starting
Speaker 1: slot receiver, the altading tight end. Jake, But baby, we
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna start right. You don't know
Speaker 1: how your quarterback is gonna be coming over from a
Speaker 1: different team. You don't know how your right tackle is
Speaker 1: going to be after he was benched for a different
Speaker 1: team last year. The flip side is they had one
Speaker 1: of the worst record in one score games last year.
Speaker 1: They really weren't that bad of a team a year ago. Uh,
Speaker 1: they do have weapons for you know, they have a
Speaker 1: very good wide receiver group. I think for case Keenum
Speaker 1: at least as the starters. I think what you guys
Speaker 1: both did upon though, is absolutely right, which is John
Speaker 1: Elway needs this draft class to produce. Almost more pressure
Speaker 1: on this draft class to produce, and I would throw
Speaker 1: in day Shawn Hamilton's along with Courtland Sutton at wide
Speaker 1: receiver who pea a lot of people really like, and
Speaker 1: Royce Freeman, and really throughout the draft people are talking
Speaker 1: up how they've looked early in camp, but there's more
Speaker 1: pressure on them to get production from rookies than just
Speaker 1: about any team. And you don't want that, and you
Speaker 1: especially don't want that if your GM has been one
Speaker 1: of the very worst gms at picking rookies for the
Speaker 1: last five years. So it's a tough spot for Johnny.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have an exceedingly high ceiling. I
Speaker 1: think the ceiling, honestly to me, is nine or ten
Speaker 1: wins in the floor. Think it could be like four wins.
Speaker 1: There's always a team around this time of year that
Speaker 1: you maybe go against the grain and call out and
Speaker 1: usually doesn't work. No, I would say, actually, your track
Speaker 1: record is on point with that. Why do you think
Speaker 1: he's allowed in the lamp. I'm down here. They're not
Speaker 1: a team that They're not a team people think are
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs. The cheap people are going to
Speaker 1: pick the chiefs in the charges now. But you do
Speaker 1: hear like, oh, listen, they you never know what the
Speaker 1: denver they could be right back there. I forgot what's
Speaker 1: going on with the side of the table over here
Speaker 1: has got money to burn. We're the only team in
Speaker 1: the league that speaks about a team your pockets. All right,
Speaker 1: you're right, your pockets. I'm going to talk about the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, and what you bozo don't know, go back,
Speaker 1: we've heard that before is that they have an identity,
Speaker 1: that they have an exciting identity, and that they're a
Speaker 1: team that we've ignored for so long and for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: the whole Matt Lafleur experience going over to Tennessee has
Speaker 1: not been a topic. This is gonna be an offense
Speaker 1: that looks totally difference. Taywan Taylor, who might be Evan
Speaker 1: Silva the Goats, uh, you know, favorite young player in
Speaker 1: the league right now, Tawan Taylor playing a lot on
Speaker 1: the outside. Corey Davis has been lighting up training camp.
Speaker 1: That is an exciting young wide receiver group that that
Speaker 1: they are looking forward to seeing. Richard Matthews hasn't been healthy,
Speaker 1: but those two guys, and then you have Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: who's now up to two d and fifties something pounds like,
Speaker 1: looking like he's all muscle, looking like the cover of
Speaker 1: twins when he's sitting next to Dion Lewis. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what a team does with two cool young
Speaker 1: receivers to fun running backs and two tight ends in
Speaker 1: Delaney Walker and John new Smith. And I also think
Speaker 1: this defense, which gets Tanps out of his one day
Speaker 1: retirement in Baltimore, is going to have more of an
Speaker 1: identity too with Mike Rabel and it's a It starts
Speaker 1: in the secondary, and everyone that's been down in Tennessee
Speaker 1: has said that Malcolm Butler has been kind of the
Speaker 1: leader on that defense and the secondary has been awesome.
Speaker 1: What are you looking at? Mentioned that team that we
Speaker 1: visit the Yeah during our production meeting. By the way,
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it since. During our production meeting,
Speaker 1: referenced a past game where we had the same dynamic
Speaker 1: and sat there in his swivel chair telling us how
Speaker 1: he dominated that game by never referencing, Oh, it's like
Speaker 1: you're getting crushed here and then this time. I haven't
Speaker 1: thought once about the game except for when that's By
Speaker 1: the way, Greg just got changed out of the sin
Speaker 1: Jar Devil's advocate. On this identity thing, Yeah, the annointeam
Speaker 1: Oils are out awfully soon for a team who's number
Speaker 1: one problem last year was they had no identity. They
Speaker 1: want to have an identity as a running game with
Speaker 1: a great offensive line. But you're giving them a lot
Speaker 1: of credit by saying they do have that identity. I
Speaker 1: think I think they'll have. I think these young playmakers
Speaker 1: are an identity, and hopefully that the fleur is the
Speaker 1: guy who can bring it out. And I do think
Speaker 1: the secondary is an identity, like I do think it
Speaker 1: is Dory. I think it will be a Dorri Jackson
Speaker 1: and Malcolm Butler and Logan Ryan. Those are like three
Speaker 1: guys that you can go to war with. And Kevin Bayer.
Speaker 1: There aren't many secondaries that are better than that kind
Speaker 1: of nasty, gonna play well play after play. I think
Speaker 1: it gives them some I think that there might be
Speaker 1: just a little bit in the wait and see category
Speaker 1: of people that it was two seasons ago that exotic
Speaker 1: smash mouth was this heavily sold identity and it worked
Speaker 1: to some degree. And then last year they switched away
Speaker 1: from that identity to essentially no identity in in this
Speaker 1: wizz and hunt slash malarkey offense, which had didn't really
Speaker 1: change when they changed coaches. It was always kind of
Speaker 1: malarkey first whole career. So so I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: a non malarkey attack. And if if the offense of scheme, uh,
Speaker 1: if he struggles in the scheme, you can't blame it
Speaker 1: on the scheme. He might enter the r Ryan Tannehill like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Twilight Zoner. That'd be disappointing after because he around
Speaker 1: the wild times when he looks so good. But alright,
Speaker 1: one more time around the horn, mark, you're u is
Speaker 1: such a good time to check the sink on these
Speaker 1: podcast boss. See we've been called this before, all right.
Speaker 1: A couple of seasons ago, the Redskins fielded a Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins let offense that became one of my favorite to
Speaker 1: watch on game pass. Not all season long, but it
Speaker 1: would pop up in spurts and I remember you'd see
Speaker 1: the potential. I loved it Kissing Cousins. That's where it
Speaker 1: was born. That's where that's right. What you lower Messanie
Speaker 1: sun down Kirk Cousins, what you lower mezzanine level? People
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, that's good to be in the lower meszanine.
Speaker 1: That's true. You're closer to the field, But mezzanine isn't
Speaker 1: always for you're not. Yeah, you're instill in the mezzanine.
Speaker 1: It's one of these vast stadiums where you've got giant
Speaker 1: poles in front of you. But I did not nail
Speaker 1: the insults at ASO. Don't have the support polls that
Speaker 1: used to cause. What you knows bleeders don't know is
Speaker 1: that this year's offense will be a top ten berserker
Speaker 1: number one. I don't think you can say that you
Speaker 1: get incredibly worse with Alex Smith because Alex Smith, I think,
Speaker 1: can maintain what happened at quarterback and maybe even improve
Speaker 1: on it. We don't want Alex Smith. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not because of Alex Smith alone. That Alex Smith
Speaker 1: never goes anywhere and makes a team worse. If anything,
Speaker 1: they become if they were a playoff team, they stay
Speaker 1: up playoff team. But I love. I do like their
Speaker 1: wide receiver group. I think Jamison Crowder, Josh Dotson, Paul Richardson,
Speaker 1: added Darius Guice, Chris Thompson. In the backfield, I think
Speaker 1: there's potential and there's parts in place here to take
Speaker 1: it to teams a couple of times. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: a super Bowl team, but fun to watch. Maybe a
Speaker 1: team that has issues on defense to a little bit,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have a couple of big top steps
Speaker 1: on offense. Yeah, that's like a sandwich prop maybe from
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Health is the Greg on my side,
Speaker 1: Health is the big CANV. Health is because they were ruined,
Speaker 1: decimated by injuries last year and a guy like Josh
Speaker 1: Stocks and I'm starting to wonder if he's ever going
Speaker 1: to stay well. He in fact, he was hurt today.
Speaker 1: Although it doesn't sound that serious offensive line killed them
Speaker 1: last year. I know the running backs weren't Jordan's. Jordan
Speaker 1: Reads the best player on their offense, and he was out.
Speaker 1: I almost struggled to mention him though, because we all
Speaker 1: know he's there. But secondly, he's almost like Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: I would say william he was gone. So they they
Speaker 1: had a lot of players hurt, and I think, like
Speaker 1: of the Gruden thing that this, I think he's you
Speaker 1: could say, babe, he's around, Why is he still there?
Speaker 1: I think he's actually done a good job on the
Speaker 1: whole as a coach. He's the longest tenured coach in
Speaker 1: the Dan Snyder era, which is says a lot about Dan.
Speaker 1: If the Redskins finished in the top tenant offense, they
Speaker 1: will have made a tremendous personnel decision to let Kirk
Speaker 1: cut walk. So you go, I don't think it's because
Speaker 1: I'm not healthy. Last year would have been top ten.
Speaker 1: Is you're not paying superstar money for Kirk Cousins if
Speaker 1: you can get the same thing at lesser money for
Speaker 1: Ox Smith. All right, that's fair. Put that, put those
Speaker 1: resources elsewhere, Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Speaker 1: West alright, Like that was pretty good. Hot take, Mark.
Speaker 1: I like that one. Thank you, alright, Westy. What you
Speaker 1: chuckle heads don't know is that this year's Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 1: are closer to the two thousand fifteen squad that John
Speaker 1: Harbaugh and Hall of Famer Bill Poolly and raped about
Speaker 1: as the strongest roster in the NFL, and last year's squad.
Speaker 1: They entered the season knowing that their offensive line couldn't
Speaker 1: block anyone. And one of the big reasons is that
Speaker 1: this team drafted really poorly two thousand, fourteen fifteen sixteen
Speaker 1: last year's draft. They're gonna see John Ross and Joe
Speaker 1: Mix and play really well this year. What is the
Speaker 1: first thing you guys think of when you hear the
Speaker 1: word John The words John Ross bust injury. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: last season's hype bunny, the fastest ever time at the
Speaker 1: combine Before last season, Yeah, I would have said fast
Speaker 1: as hell. I think that might actually hurt him to
Speaker 1: be known for that, because this guy was a There
Speaker 1: was a reason why he's a top ten draft pick,
Speaker 1: not like thirty second overall, a top ten draft pick,
Speaker 1: because he's a complete wide receiver. He's a really good
Speaker 1: football player, not just a speed demon, and he has
Speaker 1: been the talk of Bengals camp. Nobody can cover him.
Speaker 1: His double move is lethal, and you're gonna see that
Speaker 1: a talent like that opens up the entire offense, just
Speaker 1: like Sae Kwon Barkley and Odell Beckham open up the
Speaker 1: Giant Cross Blue. We're not allowed to talk about the
Speaker 1: Giants they're not on the list. Yes a yeah, over
Speaker 1: talk about well, come on their quarterback alone keep saying
Speaker 1: it that's double plug into that has been I don't
Speaker 1: even think they're on that At various points. This has
Speaker 1: kind of been the debate Eli Manning's Legacy podcast. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Tyler Ifford, by the way, has a mullet right now.
Speaker 1: He's also that may alone Negate West. This entire argument
Speaker 1: healthy Tyler Eifford, huge question mark healthy John Ross a J.
Speaker 1: Green Maybe you get I get it that they have
Speaker 1: they had exclamation points. This roster has question marks. I
Speaker 1: think Harrol Austin has their coordinator. It was a nice
Speaker 1: move after I losing Paul gun There. I'm I'm with West.
Speaker 1: I think the Corty Glenn trade salvaged what would be
Speaker 1: another disaster upfront because their offensive line outside of the
Speaker 1: right side of some issues. I had totally sold on.
Speaker 1: They have the first round center. Who you know, was
Speaker 1: I believe that the best center in college football? Most
Speaker 1: people said last year. They've got a really good guard.
Speaker 1: They do have some issues on the right side. One
Speaker 1: who did I lose Paul Gunther too? The Raiders? Oh
Speaker 1: I got you was fishing that's okay. You already three
Speaker 1: or five minutes I got I'm playing with house money here,
Speaker 1: give me a break. A lot of pressure here on
Speaker 1: Mark to get in clean because I feel literally no pressure.
Speaker 1: All right, it's the opposite of pressure. Let's move on
Speaker 1: and I will say what you snow flakes don't realize
Speaker 1: is that the Texans need a lot to go right,
Speaker 1: probably too much to be taken seriously as a legit
Speaker 1: would be Patriots layer. Oh that's another wow. I mean
Speaker 1: that's coming off your script. Job. Um here's wise. Um.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have been more wrong about the I thought
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna have action. Um, there is. It seems
Speaker 1: like the surface take here is that as long as
Speaker 1: the Shaun Watson is back in and his way, as
Speaker 1: long as J. J. Watt is back and healthy, everything
Speaker 1: will be fine. And maybe that's true. Maybe as as
Speaker 1: long as those two guys are back and healthy, uh,
Speaker 1: that will maybe make the difference. But I think one
Speaker 1: thing with the Texans with Watson, uh is the sample
Speaker 1: size last year was so small, uh that to really
Speaker 1: lock him in to be that guy for sixteen games
Speaker 1: and not and not expect him to have any more
Speaker 1: growing pains to expect him now to just go up
Speaker 1: from there. I don't. I don't think that is necessarily
Speaker 1: um something to be accepted as a given. He was
Speaker 1: if you look at his numbers last year. Uh, he
Speaker 1: was tremendous on short range passes. He was transcendent as
Speaker 1: a deep passer, which probably is going to always be
Speaker 1: a great skill for his But he was one of
Speaker 1: the worst like mid range passers in the league. That's
Speaker 1: a big part of the quarterbacks games. So he was
Speaker 1: not a fully polished guy. He also took a ton
Speaker 1: of saxe uh and turned the ball over a lot.
Speaker 1: So he had a lot of splash plays and gave
Speaker 1: every everybody in Houston and football fans a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons they get excited that we have another young superstar quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he probably will be that. But I just think
Speaker 1: that growing pains and perhaps not a cent to m
Speaker 1: VP candidates status is to be a given heading into
Speaker 1: this season. And I think that offensive line is not
Speaker 1: going to help matters. Uh. And so I don't think
Speaker 1: I say I made the snowflake comment. I know this
Speaker 1: is kind of something we've talked about in this studio,
Speaker 1: but I think in general, maybe not as enough as
Speaker 1: being made of Watson's development and it's still very early
Speaker 1: in the process, and an offensive line that could get
Speaker 1: him killed coming off an a c L tear. Also,
Speaker 1: I think it's telling how different their offense was earlier
Speaker 1: in the year when the first game when he wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and then after the injury, they were maybe the worst
Speaker 1: offense in the NFL when he wasn't there, and then
Speaker 1: when he was on the field they were great. But
Speaker 1: you're right, it's a small sample size. He got lucky
Speaker 1: when it came to passes that could have been intercepted,
Speaker 1: but weren't abnormally lucky on those kinds of throws. But
Speaker 1: he the talent is real to me. The offensive line
Speaker 1: is an issue um the fact that they have changed
Speaker 1: their entire offense this year, because he and Bill O'Brien
Speaker 1: showed a mind mild last year that was impressive to behold.
Speaker 1: That Bill O'Brien's play calling combined with his skill set
Speaker 1: was incredible. You need a running game to step up.
Speaker 1: It's still Lamar Miller. You hope will Fuller stays healthy
Speaker 1: because I think Will Fuller has a difference maker, a
Speaker 1: real number two receiver and then suddenly you're not so thin.
Speaker 1: I mean, they are your team, so I want them
Speaker 1: to be. I think they are a team. They are
Speaker 1: a team that if things do click, they could take
Speaker 1: out that big brother that plays up in New England.
Speaker 1: But I think that they gotta worry about Jack. They
Speaker 1: gotta worry about it some other team. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: just used half their name. I think that's at They're
Speaker 1: not on the list anyway. So I mean it's the
Speaker 1: other thing is that when until the games start, like
Speaker 1: the concept that this quarterback must regress is just as
Speaker 1: like a variable as he'll stay the same. It's just
Speaker 1: we don't know. I mean, there's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: that when Aaron Rodgers went down, that team looked like
Speaker 1: absolute garbage last season tiptoed through the mind. So I
Speaker 1: just I for me, it's about his health. But if
Speaker 1: he is the player he was last year, the other
Speaker 1: side is, oh, everyone's gonna get film on him. Is
Speaker 1: he's going to continue to grow and develop? So I
Speaker 1: I just he was one of the most exciting players
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL last year. The season changed when
Speaker 1: he went down. And if he's the guy he was
Speaker 1: and the way he him and Bill O'Brien. I mean,
Speaker 1: he finally got his quarterback. They were destroying teams and
Speaker 1: so we'll have to say offseason to prepare the offense
Speaker 1: for him that it's basically the Shaun Watson offense and O'Brien,
Speaker 1: who you can knock for some things. I mean he's
Speaker 1: won a lot of games with case Keenum and Brian
Speaker 1: Hoyer and who else has been there in Houston. Then
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting about Brandon Weeden. Uh Mallett, I kind of forgotten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: laundry list of nobody's. Well, he was also playing against
Speaker 1: the a f C South all those years. It's a
Speaker 1: better division. Now close it out, all right. My team
Speaker 1: is the Arizona Cardinals. And what you football Nea fights
Speaker 1: don't know is there's a lot of young, exciting talent
Speaker 1: on this roster that hasn't gotten a lot of pub
Speaker 1: on defense last year. What another thing people don't know
Speaker 1: is defense was Bruce arians Is secret weapon. Throughout his time,
Speaker 1: they ranked in the top seven in Football Outsiders Defensive
Speaker 1: d v o A throughout the entire Bruce arians run.
Speaker 1: So it was more consistent than the offense. Including last year,
Speaker 1: they were very good. Couple of young guys there. Pierre
Speaker 1: Olsen was really good as part time pass rusher. Buddha
Speaker 1: Baker really looks like a great Honey Badger replacement. Corey
Speaker 1: Peters has been kind of underrated over the last few years.
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, and then when you're on the offensive side,
Speaker 1: Ricky Seals Jones. I'm excited to watch him play at
Speaker 1: tight end. I think he could actually make a pretty
Speaker 1: big impact. And everyone looks better when you have David
Speaker 1: Johnson around. So even though this isn't a sizzle team,
Speaker 1: I'm very curious just to watch them because they're they're
Speaker 1: about as different schematically on offense and defense. Huge changes.
Speaker 1: I mean, couldn't have changed more in terms of their
Speaker 1: scheme on both sides of the ball. They're gonna go
Speaker 1: from kind of balls out to very safe on offense
Speaker 1: and maybe the reverse on defense. Uh. And we'll have
Speaker 1: to see, we'll have to see if Wilkes is is
Speaker 1: a good head coach or not. But they're just totally
Speaker 1: different and has a lot of good did you even
Speaker 1: I did not because he he hasn't done anything. They're
Speaker 1: they're hopeful, but he's there. I'll give my next Kim
Speaker 1: Kim d performance when he actually shows up in the
Speaker 1: news on any tangible level. Well, you people don't know
Speaker 1: is the number two receiver for the Arizona Cardinals, Chad Williams, right,
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, Bryce Butler, Chad Williams is in the mix
Speaker 1: they you know they have, They don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of better hope that Greg Little's in their camp. Little
Speaker 1: was getting some pop the other day to Christian Kirk.
Speaker 1: They drafted to play some snaps. My answer to that
Speaker 1: pop that he's getting is that the Broncos head beat
Speaker 1: writers said that Paxton Lynch was the star of practice today.
Speaker 1: Who cares this training camp? That tells me all I
Speaker 1: need to know he's getting a ton of buzz uh
Speaker 1: down over in Maryland is John Brown? Yes, sir, I
Speaker 1: think I think the Cardinals to me, are going to
Speaker 1: be that team where I think the most overrated maxim
Speaker 1: in sports is. Yeah, nothing harder than winning a game
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know, It's like, no, it's I
Speaker 1: thought it was hitting a baseball, right, It's there's no,
Speaker 1: It's equally hard as every other sport. One team wins
Speaker 1: one every single week and it's not that hard to
Speaker 1: win six games? Is gonna be my larger point. And
Speaker 1: the Cardinals feel to me like no one's paying any attention,
Speaker 1: and I think they'll find a way to get to
Speaker 1: six or seven wins. I agree. I feel like the
Speaker 1: most overrated maxim was the September issue with a Lissa Milano,
Speaker 1: Oh to go lad Latin mag talk all right, Mark
Speaker 1: has stopped talking. He just wants to Sindjar money, and
Speaker 1: I talked NonStop during that segment. Um, I won it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you did, good job, Mark, You're the winner. You get
Speaker 1: the money in the Sinjar, including the money that Greg
Speaker 1: took him put back in his pocket. You've already won
Speaker 1: more games than Um. What was that team ere fort?
Speaker 1: What nice try? What if you use that sinjar money
Speaker 1: to bias the sandwiches you owe? Bought you two sandwiches?
Speaker 1: I do, Oh, Greg one, and I probably own another
Speaker 1: two or three rounds, So maybe I will. Before we
Speaker 1: go training camp Spotlight presented by New Era, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do sixty seconds on the Hall of Fame game Baltimore
Speaker 1: versus Chicago. Start the clock, Erica go. Best Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame game ever because they will have like two quarters
Speaker 1: of Lamar Jackson. That's it. What could be better got
Speaker 1: fifty four seconds left, mentioned Drabinski in Neggie's new office
Speaker 1: offense for like one drive or some nonsense. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much we'll see of any of this stuff,
Speaker 1: but I think Lamar Jackson we're not. We may not
Speaker 1: see Flacco at all either, but I'd like to see
Speaker 1: a little bit of Baltimore's new wide receivers. They want
Speaker 1: to put them out a bit, but Lamar Jackson has
Speaker 1: been the most talked about guy in the entire preseason.
Speaker 1: They can put Alan Chris on this game. Yeah, preseason
Speaker 1: preseasons four. I mean, that's to me, the most fun
Speaker 1: thing to watch, and I think you'll get a lot
Speaker 1: You'll get a lot more entertainment because Lamar Jackson is
Speaker 1: going to be heavily involved. Best Tall of Fame game
Speaker 1: wasn't the one where the grass, the paint on the
Speaker 1: grass congealed and they canceled it. Yeah. I thought that
Speaker 1: was probably the most memorable moment in Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: game history, the game that didn't even take place. West
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