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Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the community
Speaker 1: ye Soft Prep Radio on time on Target. And it
Speaker 1: has been quite a few years actually since we've had
Speaker 1: doctor Dale kup Stock on the podcast. Uh, former Delta
Speaker 1: Force operator. And the reason we're having Dale on today
Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. If you listen to last episode and
Speaker 1: you saw this article of Middle East monarchy hired ex
Speaker 1: American ex soldiers to kill its political enemies, that this
Speaker 1: could be the future of war by Rom Roston. We
Speaker 1: touched on it last episode and you know Dallas involvement
Speaker 1: as Yeah, you know, I read the article and um
Speaker 1: I was able to kind of put two and two together,
Speaker 1: and I think some other folks were as well. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, I just reached out to Dale and I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if you want to, you know, tell your side of
Speaker 1: the story. You know, our doors definitely open. Um and
Speaker 1: uh Dave we interviewed previously, uh way back episodes twenty
Speaker 1: two and twenty four, I believe, and um Dale talked
Speaker 1: to us a lot at length about you know, his
Speaker 1: military career. Uh. You know the cur Muse hostage rescue
Speaker 1: operation in nine when he was with the unit. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, stories from when he was a paramilitary contractor
Speaker 1: working for our government in Afghanistan. UM, just really interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: So if you want to get to know more about Dale,
Speaker 1: about the man, about the soldier, Uh, you go back
Speaker 1: and listen to those podcasts, because we're not gonna really
Speaker 1: rehash all that stuff in this podcast. We're gonna kind
Speaker 1: of jump right in to more recent events in Yemen
Speaker 1: and UM with Dale. With that, I kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to turn over to you Dale. UM. And you know,
Speaker 1: I guess the beginning of this story is, you know
Speaker 1: when you first started getting phone calls about this contract
Speaker 1: and maybe if you want to take it up from there, UM,
Speaker 1: and we walk people through the story. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: this was I can't say it was a total surprise
Speaker 1: to me this story coming out. I knew that it
Speaker 1: was in the works. UM. I actually just found out
Speaker 1: about it maybe around three weeks ago. UM. This reporter
Speaker 1: had tried to contact me and uh, he was actually
Speaker 1: contacting so many other guys from the team, and then
Speaker 1: uh he tried to get ahold of me and I've
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of screened my phone calls because
Speaker 1: I get a lot of weird calls sometimes. So I
Speaker 1: was at the airport and I got this phone call.
Speaker 1: I said, let me check it out, you know, see
Speaker 1: what this guy wants and uh, it was a reporter
Speaker 1: and so um and right away he started off, he
Speaker 1: introduced himself and he started off with and I'm writing
Speaker 1: a story about um, you know, some activities and yaman
Speaker 1: that you were involved in, blah blah blah. And then
Speaker 1: right away that you know, the larm d went off
Speaker 1: in my head and uh, I Cricket said, Hey, I
Speaker 1: thought you were calling me about a movie opportunity something.
Speaker 1: I gotta get on an airplane and talked to you
Speaker 1: later on, don't know, and uh, and he kept texting
Speaker 1: me and I didn't want to talk about it and
Speaker 1: uh but anyway, so I called some of the other
Speaker 1: guys and uh, they also had received the same calls,
Speaker 1: and as well, they didn't uh you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: talk to the guy and they had nothing to say,
Speaker 1: nothing to contribute. Basically, the guys that I've worked with, um,
Speaker 1: you know, all prior military, all of them, you know, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, respect the idea of maintaining upset and security.
Speaker 1: You know, it's ingrained and most of us, unfortunately not
Speaker 1: everybody apparently from those articles, subcribe to that philosophy. So, uh,
Speaker 1: we were a little out done by this whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know if it was gonna go anywhere
Speaker 1: or not because nobody had been talking to him. Um.
Speaker 1: But little did I know, Isaac was actually talking to him.
Speaker 1: And so one of the seal who was on the
Speaker 1: contract with you, right, So, yeah, exactly, I'll lay I'll
Speaker 1: layout his story here in the second. Um. So that's
Speaker 1: how this whole thing got got going. And uh, I've
Speaker 1: been just basically just kind of sitting back, embracing for
Speaker 1: the for the storm and uh and it it broke
Speaker 1: Lucia today and uh and of course, you know, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm getting these phone calls from people
Speaker 1: that recognized my image, um or they recognize the credential.
Speaker 1: Somehow they determined it was me. Um clar Jack you
Speaker 1: called me. I'm like, damn, who doesn't know anymore? I
Speaker 1: got Hollywood producers calling me and they're not asking me
Speaker 1: or asking I managed me to management team was that dale.
Speaker 1: They're just come out and saying that's Deale comstock. Um
Speaker 1: you know, so I guess I'm not hard to recognize.
Speaker 1: I don't know even though my face was blurry. But
Speaker 1: respect the staff. Okah, you read on you but um,
Speaker 1: but I was definitely done by that. And here's the
Speaker 1: here's one of the main issues I have with it
Speaker 1: is one this Isaac Gilmore with a seal never conferred
Speaker 1: with me. Um, you know about any of this or
Speaker 1: the other guys. He didn't. We didn't have any clue
Speaker 1: this was gonna happen, right, Um. What he should have
Speaker 1: done on respect for us, our privacy and um, you know,
Speaker 1: and our secure already is at least contact you know,
Speaker 1: I'm planning on doing. Um, what's your take on it?
Speaker 1: Never even gave us that courtesy. He basically he shared
Speaker 1: all our phone numbers are everything, Um, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that was pretty underhanded. And then I can
Speaker 1: surmise the reason he did it. And if you read
Speaker 1: the story, you know he mentioned that, Uh, well you
Speaker 1: know he's afraid the story is eventually gonna break anyways,
Speaker 1: he wanted to get ahead of it. Well you know
Speaker 1: I call BS on that one too, right, because there's
Speaker 1: only four guys on that operation. That knew all the
Speaker 1: details that was that were laid out and uh and
Speaker 1: so as long as all four of us get our
Speaker 1: mouth shut, nobody would have ever known about it. So
Speaker 1: what he's trying to do. And I already know he's
Speaker 1: trying to do this because I'm getting my phone calls
Speaker 1: and look, he doesn't know. I'm pretty well connected in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: So he's out there marketing this, you know, uh, trying
Speaker 1: to sell the stories where he's trying to do to
Speaker 1: make a movie. This guy is out to make a book,
Speaker 1: a lot of books, Okay, and uh, you mean I
Speaker 1: find it pretty here telling that he's trying to do that,
Speaker 1: and he's trying to do it off everybody's else's back.
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to tell you a little bit more
Speaker 1: about this guy's character and who he is not. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's painted a very heroic picture of himself in this story.
Speaker 1: And to tell you the truth, Um, I mean this
Speaker 1: guy was sad sacked for all purposes. I mean he
Speaker 1: was a total I mean, he had no respect from anybody.
Speaker 1: He was lazy, Um, he didn't know what the hell
Speaker 1: he was doing. And there's a whole lot of other
Speaker 1: things that were going on there. But so let me
Speaker 1: just start a little bit about his background, Okay. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know this until after we were already downrange
Speaker 1: and another seal came on board and he said, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is this is his story. And
Speaker 1: uh so Isaac did mention in there that he had
Speaker 1: shot one of his fellow seals. What he didn't mention was, um,
Speaker 1: it was a blank fire exercise and he loaded live
Speaker 1: ammunition into it, into an M forty nine, saw a
Speaker 1: machine gun and and mow down one of his dudes. Okay.
Speaker 1: Then he actually tried to pin it on another guy. Um,
Speaker 1: of course he didn't get away with it. They were
Speaker 1: vote the pulless tried and they boot him from the navy. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's really what happened. Okay, that's just for starters. This
Speaker 1: guy's got a history of d rog behind him. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a call from another company said
Speaker 1: he was basically got fired without drinking, took their company
Speaker 1: van hauled as to the airport, dropped the van off
Speaker 1: somewhere and disappeared. And it didn't tell anybody. I mean,
Speaker 1: I go on and on with with these stories, um,
Speaker 1: you know, so to begin with, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: a sorted pass and uh, it wasn't obviously apparent to
Speaker 1: me in the beginning. Um, but when I was out
Speaker 1: in the field with him is when I started to notice, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy is not he's not He's definitely not leadership material. Now,
Speaker 1: apparently Isaac was partners with Abraham. And I know Abraham
Speaker 1: for a long time. I've worked with Abraham Abraham and
Speaker 1: Abraham Goal and I've worked with him down in Mexico,
Speaker 1: Hong Kong, South Africa and uh. And so he's the
Speaker 1: one who actually pulled me in on this operation. So
Speaker 1: he didn't thought it was phone. I'm sorry to inject here,
Speaker 1: I'm just part of the audience. Could you give some
Speaker 1: background on who Abraham is. Yeah, so, so Abraham is
Speaker 1: um a Jewish Hungarian um former from Hungary. Um. It
Speaker 1: was in Israel and he ended up leaving Israel had
Speaker 1: I don't know what all these issues were there, but uh,
Speaker 1: he ended up working for the French born Legion. He
Speaker 1: was a major with him, and then he was involved
Speaker 1: in a bunch of other other projects. I guess was
Speaker 1: invited to the United States and a ward of his
Speaker 1: citizenship and uh, and I know there's a lot more
Speaker 1: in his back story that's kind of actually pretty interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyways, he started Spear Operations Group, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's done well for himself. You know, he really had
Speaker 1: and I have anything very negative to say about him, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, because at least he was honest with me
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and he let me know what his
Speaker 1: limitations were and uh, you know, and and then why
Speaker 1: he needed would be a part of this program. So
Speaker 1: he had called me. I I was flying back from Indonesia,
Speaker 1: and he kept calling me and we got to talk
Speaker 1: into the phone. He said he really needs me for
Speaker 1: a project and uh, and he wouldn't tell me exactly
Speaker 1: what it was on the phone. And then finally, you know,
Speaker 1: he really really that was security related. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Abraham, um, this might be a conflict adventures
Speaker 1: because I have started my own company in Indonesia and
Speaker 1: I'm in the same space to you, and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really focusing on building his business. And uh, he said,
Speaker 1: just think about it, think about it, think about it,
Speaker 1: you know, and then he I got another phone call
Speaker 1: a couple of days later. Um, he uh, he bought
Speaker 1: me a plane taken to San Diego. He offered me,
Speaker 1: UM pretty large sum of money for my time, and
Speaker 1: he just wanted he wanted to talk to me in person.
Speaker 1: So I said, Okay, Now, I'm actually kind of indebted
Speaker 1: to him for some other things that he did. UM,
Speaker 1: be honest with you. He's actually a pretty good guy, UM,
Speaker 1: and he was very generous, and he has been very
Speaker 1: generous to me. So UM, I kind of felt like,
Speaker 1: in a way I owed him a favor. So I
Speaker 1: went out there had heard what he had to say.
Speaker 1: I sat down this point at this other guy, Isaac,
Speaker 1: and they gave me the briefing on what this what
Speaker 1: this operation was, what it entailed, and so forth and
Speaker 1: so on, And that was that at the time. What
Speaker 1: was a private conversation with Abraham? Sorry, I just asking
Speaker 1: you know, when you received that initial briefing, what was
Speaker 1: your understanding of, you know, the mission and the task
Speaker 1: at hand. Well, UM, what I knew was we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the Emirates, UM. And the way I understood
Speaker 1: it was we're gonna go there, and my part in
Speaker 1: particular was to be the strategic advisor to UM to Abraham.
Speaker 1: And so basically that's why I said, you know at
Speaker 1: least he knew his left and right limits. And he
Speaker 1: asked me to come and be his basically UH strategic
Speaker 1: advisor UM even though his partner was Isaac UM. He
Speaker 1: revealed to me that he didn't have confidence in Isaac,
Speaker 1: but they were partners and UH and and so Isaac
Speaker 1: had his role which was more in the business development
Speaker 1: schmoozing arena than anything else, but he certainly didn't have
Speaker 1: the tactical strategic competence to run in this combent operation.
Speaker 1: And and so Abraham asked me to be the strategic
Speaker 1: advisor to him. And basically he delegated his command to
Speaker 1: me UM so that I could oversee and operate or
Speaker 1: run operations and manage everything. And so the part of
Speaker 1: the part of the mission was to conduct training for
Speaker 1: the Amati forces UM and helped them UM in their
Speaker 1: in their efforts to conduct, you know, prosecute targets. And
Speaker 1: so that's basically the understanding. And and basically I was
Speaker 1: told that once we go into the training program, UM
Speaker 1: he wanted he was wanted to hand a contract off
Speaker 1: to me because he really wasn't interested. I said, Abraham
Speaker 1: really wasn't interested in training anymore. So much as the
Speaker 1: other stuff that he was involved in. So I asked him.
Speaker 1: I said, look, man, I said, I've got to go
Speaker 1: back to Indonesia in a few days. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: think I can do this volution. How about you know,
Speaker 1: the next go around, I come, I come along. And
Speaker 1: his answer was no, he goes if you don't do
Speaker 1: this when I can't use it for the next one,
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta have you for this one. I
Speaker 1: didn't understand why that was important until later on. Um,
Speaker 1: so I said, okay, look I'm gonna go. I gotta
Speaker 1: go to Indonesia. Basically collect myself, tell my girlfriend, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go do a job, you know, and I'll be back,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever. And we weren't even supposed to be
Speaker 1: gone very long, two weeks, three weeks tops, you know,
Speaker 1: and then we rotate out. So anyways, the whole story about,
Speaker 1: you know, So I ended up flying back from Indonesia. UM,
Speaker 1: I went to New York. I linked up at the airport,
Speaker 1: I mean at the hotel and and I I didn't
Speaker 1: know who was gonna be there. And you know, next thing,
Speaker 1: I know, all the French board and legion aires were there. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, the seals where a couple of seals were there.
Speaker 1: Abraham was there, and we basically it was like a
Speaker 1: movie seeing how a row in the movie. And we
Speaker 1: ended up in a hotel room with you know, basically
Speaker 1: Abraham telling them what them what, tell us all what
Speaker 1: the mission was going to be and uh. And at
Speaker 1: that point he gave everybody the opportunity to walk away
Speaker 1: if they chose to do so, and they could keep
Speaker 1: the money that already they already received, which was pretty substantial. Um,
Speaker 1: everybody was on board. And then from there the next
Speaker 1: night we left, um from Teterborough basically the private airport.
Speaker 1: And then as a as a story you know, alludes to,
Speaker 1: we flew off from the private jet and ended up
Speaker 1: landing somewhere in a remote airfield, um out in the desert.
Speaker 1: And then we translated in which another country, and then
Speaker 1: translated and then it ended up finally in uh in Aiden.
Speaker 1: So that's how it all kind of started. Now, Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more details to this thing, and uh,
Speaker 1: and so what I what I really want to make
Speaker 1: clear though, um to everybody out that's out there listening
Speaker 1: and they're reading into this thing, Okay, not everything is
Speaker 1: what it seems or the way it was articulated for
Speaker 1: a lot of things, A lot of things get austin translation.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got one guy or two guys telling
Speaker 1: a reporter, you know, their side of the story, um,
Speaker 1: and the reporters interpreting it, and he's writing it on paper,
Speaker 1: and just things didn't quite add up exactly what like
Speaker 1: they happened. So for a clarity, what I want to
Speaker 1: say is this, Um, we were not a gang of murders. Okay,
Speaker 1: we were sanctioned. UM. I worked as a subcontractor for
Speaker 1: as the rest of his subcontractor for Spirit Operations Group. Um,
Speaker 1: they had the responsibility to make sure that you know,
Speaker 1: all the teams were crossed and all the eyes were
Speaker 1: dotted with as far as all the legal things are concerned,
Speaker 1: like State Department, I, TRS whatever. Um so. And I
Speaker 1: was told that we were good to go because the
Speaker 1: Emirates were part of a coalition and include the United
Speaker 1: States government. UM So, you know, I really didn't question,
Speaker 1: you know, any of that, and I was confident that
Speaker 1: it's all on the up and up. Uh. We arrived
Speaker 1: we got the you know, same thing we got the
Speaker 1: actually we we flew right into aid and we didn't
Speaker 1: even check into Emirates um anywhere, so if we're right
Speaker 1: into Aiden. When we arrived Um, I met up with
Speaker 1: the an intel officer UM and basically he issued us
Speaker 1: all these barbage want to call them weapons, UM, stuff
Speaker 1: that he bought off the black market. And uh. And
Speaker 1: you know there's a story behind that. He was actually
Speaker 1: given a lot of money to buy us US made
Speaker 1: equipment and he ended up probably he probably put most
Speaker 1: of his pocket and it went downtown and bought a
Speaker 1: bunch of garbage and handed it to us. At the
Speaker 1: conversation I had with him one we brought all equipment,
Speaker 1: all the weapons, laid him out. You know, there's just
Speaker 1: pieces and parts and rusty garbage. And I looked at
Speaker 1: my coach, this is totally unsatisfactory. I said, this is
Speaker 1: we're expect you have anything. Here's really operation and uh.
Speaker 1: I remember he looked at me UM and he didn't
Speaker 1: like the idea that we were even there as uh,
Speaker 1: you know, special forces coming in to do with his
Speaker 1: military his army couldn't do right. That's the reason we
Speaker 1: came there is because the Immaradi Army doesn't have a
Speaker 1: special force of special operations capability and so basically that's
Speaker 1: what we were gonna fill that niche for them. Uh
Speaker 1: and so I could already tell he didn't really like
Speaker 1: that idea. And when I told him that I had
Speaker 1: a real problem with with the weapons he gave us,
Speaker 1: you know, and know how we expected us to do
Speaker 1: anything with that? He looked at me, go, so what
Speaker 1: you're telling me is you can't do the mission then, right?
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, I'll do the mission
Speaker 1: for me. I got to use these weapons baseball bats,
Speaker 1: but I can do it. You know what, you want
Speaker 1: to play that game with me? Um. So I wasn't
Speaker 1: give missed out of side, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: you can do it, you know and run us off.
Speaker 1: That was kind of matter of place. I guess you will. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so you know, getting down to it, all right,
Speaker 1: we had we had our missions. My job as the
Speaker 1: game of strategic advisor one make sure that operationally everything
Speaker 1: was sound, really a safe. We had good security. I
Speaker 1: trained the guys on the weapons systems. I'm a lightning
Speaker 1: heavy weapons sergeant from the Special Forces. UM. I did
Speaker 1: all the demolitions works. Um. My job wasn't basically ensure
Speaker 1: that tactically we could work together as a team in
Speaker 1: the field and also to develop strategy for whatever missions
Speaker 1: that came down the pipe. Um, at no time did
Speaker 1: we murder anybody. At no time did we shoot people,
Speaker 1: anybody any interest in people. Nobody was heard or killed
Speaker 1: in any of our operations. UM. And I don't think
Speaker 1: I have made that very clear. Um. He kind of
Speaker 1: hamded it hard, like, well, you know, maybe it could
Speaker 1: have happened, but you know now it didn't happen. Okay. Um,
Speaker 1: we weren't not that up, we were that crazy that
Speaker 1: while that we weren't uh, you know, we didn't have
Speaker 1: that circle of awareness to know what the hell was
Speaker 1: going on and what was shooting. In the article, it
Speaker 1: says that you guys conducted several actual assassinations. So you're
Speaker 1: saying that that never happened. I'm sorry. In the article
Speaker 1: it just goes it goes on to say that you
Speaker 1: guys assassinated people. Um, you know there are some successful assassinations,
Speaker 1: and you're saying that that didn't happen. Okay, So my
Speaker 1: question then, Okay, the word assassin, Okay, it's got very
Speaker 1: negative negative connotations. When we were shooting hpt S in
Speaker 1: our pack in Afghanistan? Were we assassinating them? Or we
Speaker 1: were we were taken out HPT we kind of work,
Speaker 1: we kind of work were HBT. Okay, they were high
Speaker 1: value targets, they've been loaned, they were part of terrorist organizations,
Speaker 1: um and and they were bad guys playing simple. Um.
Speaker 1: You can call him a political figure if you want.
Speaker 1: But you know what, uh, you know, you go to
Speaker 1: Solar City and what's his what's his bucket? You know? Uh?
Speaker 1: The email? Their slur it was he a political target?
Speaker 1: Or is he? Is he also war flighters? The way
Speaker 1: I see it, you know, I'm not here just to shoot.
Speaker 1: You know, guys are guns. I'm here to fight our enemies.
Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to. That's what we all
Speaker 1: went there for, the truth be told. I think most
Speaker 1: of us went there because we saw an opportunity to
Speaker 1: take the flight to the bad guys, be the terrorists,
Speaker 1: terrorists so to speak. And um, yeah, the money was okay,
Speaker 1: but for the risk that we were taking, it was
Speaker 1: never enough. Okay. We didn't have big meal behind us
Speaker 1: of supporters. We didn't have a QRF, we didn't have
Speaker 1: met it, we had nothing. Okay, we had four dudes
Speaker 1: in the street with their cocking their hands and their
Speaker 1: weapons and that was it, you know, UM, it was us,
Speaker 1: US or it was them. But we had a mission.
Speaker 1: And again I want to make sure everybody understanding we
Speaker 1: were not trying to just murder people and just shooting
Speaker 1: people randomly or anything like that. We had targets, UM
Speaker 1: that we were vetted through their intelligence service. We also
Speaker 1: vetted them through through our capability of what we had. UM.
Speaker 1: I have a background of operations intelligence from special Forces. UM.
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good understanding how I p B works, intelligence,
Speaker 1: preparation of the battlefield. UM. We worked down and we
Speaker 1: made sure that we had p I D the target
Speaker 1: and that we that we contained that target. And that's
Speaker 1: the only person that we are we went after. So
Speaker 1: in this so in this, in this story, in this
Speaker 1: in this UM fear footage that you know, everybody's now
Speaker 1: gets to see, which I'm kind of stunned that he
Speaker 1: would even UM published that and for a lot of reasons,
Speaker 1: but but to put that out there, I just, man,
Speaker 1: that's just that's just crazy. But I know what they
Speaker 1: were they were thinking, and uh they were what they
Speaker 1: were thinking was if you look in the footage and
Speaker 1: you'll see, UM an end wrap in there. Okay, a
Speaker 1: military vehicle. UM. And by the way, it was actually
Speaker 1: a military drone that was filming it. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: like a bunch of dudes are out there, you know,
Speaker 1: murdering people, you know, just rogue in another country. We
Speaker 1: were actually had the support of the military behind us. Okay. UM.
Speaker 1: The reality is they couldn't do it by themselves. They
Speaker 1: just didn't have that capability, and so we did and
Speaker 1: we what we did is we tried to We actually
Speaker 1: trained with these guys. We worked with these guys. M
Speaker 1: We did drills with these guys. I say these guys,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Themaradi soldiers that were in support of US. UM.
Speaker 1: We were foaching as a unit and we were basically
Speaker 1: acting as advisors to them. UM. As far as that
Speaker 1: that footage is concerned. UM, and this is where I
Speaker 1: have a little bit of an issue is um so
Speaker 1: Isaac states that the whole thing was watched up, which
Speaker 1: I call bullshit. UM, here's what really went down. That
Speaker 1: vehicle stopped in front of the target building. At that point,
Speaker 1: we had just rolled through, UM, you know, about five
Speaker 1: dred yards worth of al Qaida. I mean literally all
Speaker 1: over the streets, walking by the kind of peer to
Speaker 1: our tennant windows. I mean they were there, spitting just
Speaker 1: of us. They were everywhere. Al Kada is actually the
Speaker 1: action arm for that All is Loved group. Okay, All
Speaker 1: is Loved group. You know, they call themselves a political
Speaker 1: party and all about peace and again I called bullshit. Um.
Speaker 1: They used al Qaida as they're as they're basically as
Speaker 1: they're watchdogs, um and their pit bulls um. And they
Speaker 1: were everywhere everywhere. It so when we got in front
Speaker 1: of the target building, we had a driver. His the
Speaker 1: driver was actually a major from the m Radi Army,
Speaker 1: an intel officer. Okay. His only job wasn't drive the vehicle, Um,
Speaker 1: that was it. And then once the car stop, the
Speaker 1: vehicle stop, he was to get out, run four down
Speaker 1: the road, mount on Mr another m WRAP that was
Speaker 1: waiting down range, and then and be secure. Well, as
Speaker 1: soon as he gets out, he gets shot in the
Speaker 1: damn foot. Okay, we're already taking small arms fire right
Speaker 1: off the bat Um. Everybody else bails out of the
Speaker 1: video from the target compo got out. I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: you were taking fire from the target building. We were
Speaker 1: getting fire from actually from the direction we had just
Speaker 1: come from from behind. Okay, you know, it obviously looks
Speaker 1: very suspicious here. We got this this UM three or
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollar level seven uh Toyoto land Cruiser cruise
Speaker 1: coming down the road at about three to five mile
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, when you're driving somebody's neighborhood, they
Speaker 1: know that car belongs there or not. So that's why
Speaker 1: we've got getting all the weird looks. Um. As soon
Speaker 1: as we got out, they were honest, Um, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: you know, they just we started taking fire. Um Isaac
Speaker 1: was got on his side of the vehicle and started engaging.
Speaker 1: He you know, he claims that the gunner in the
Speaker 1: back another seal with the open fire. That's not true
Speaker 1: at all. Um Isaac was out of the vehicle first
Speaker 1: he started shooting. If you look at the footage, you
Speaker 1: can see he's shooting like at the second floor, at
Speaker 1: the wall. It's like he just sprayed in the air, right. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell he was shooting at.
Speaker 1: Then their tailgate came down and that's where the other
Speaker 1: seal came out with the Macift and started putting suppressive
Speaker 1: fire down range. By that time, I already dismounted ran
Speaker 1: over to the target building. Um so right then and there,
Speaker 1: it's bullshit. Um, nothing was botched up. We started taking
Speaker 1: we right away started taking small arm inspire um as
Speaker 1: just as the doors started cracking. So you know, you
Speaker 1: can argue an the way you want that it was
Speaker 1: self defense or whatever. But um, it wasn't like we
Speaker 1: just got out creeping along and then you know some
Speaker 1: guy in the back of the vehicle started shooting. That's
Speaker 1: not what happened. Um. I went to the I went
Speaker 1: to the breach point. And this is where things getting
Speaker 1: even getting even weirder. So I was not supposed to
Speaker 1: go to the breach point alone. Um. I was supposed
Speaker 1: to go go Um both Isaac and Abraham Gold were
Speaker 1: supposed to come with me to the breach point and
Speaker 1: and pull security because basically, my hands are full. And uh,
Speaker 1: I run across the street. And if you look at
Speaker 1: the footage, you see one guy running down the street
Speaker 1: like just take all running like where the hell is
Speaker 1: he going finself? Um, and then you see the other
Speaker 1: guy never corduct the vehicle, which was Isaac by the way,
Speaker 1: And uh he was stating that uh, his weapon was malfunctioning,
Speaker 1: but he had another a K forty seventy of the
Speaker 1: seat right next to him. All he had to do
Speaker 1: is go down and switch it out. He was he
Speaker 1: would have been back in the fight. Um, but he
Speaker 1: never left. He never left the you know, the the vehicle.
Speaker 1: He stayed right there with the vehicle while I was
Speaker 1: out there, you know, hanging it out there by myself.
Speaker 1: I tried to enter the building. My mention was to
Speaker 1: go in there and eliminate the threat. Um, that was it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I tried to go in, and I
Speaker 1: was gonna go in and basically be as surgical as
Speaker 1: I could and and get in. But they had locked
Speaker 1: the doors on me. They were on the inside and
Speaker 1: locked the doors. And that's when I started hearing gunfire
Speaker 1: also from coming from inside. So I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: at this point what was going on, but they were
Speaker 1: probably thinking, holdly cow, you know, the boogeyman's outside, and
Speaker 1: they started a panic as well. Um. So by this time,
Speaker 1: you know, we had a we had a gunfight going on,
Speaker 1: and uh, I basically placed the charge an idea in
Speaker 1: the front of the door. Wanted to cover my with
Speaker 1: draw too. To take the door out hopefully you know, um,
Speaker 1: I would get hit the target. We knew the building
Speaker 1: by the way. Um we had we had actually a
Speaker 1: human on the target, watching the target. Okay, they reported
Speaker 1: back to us. They they told us who went in
Speaker 1: the building, how many Um. It was not some kind
Speaker 1: of a large meeting. Um. In fact, this guy was
Speaker 1: pretty crafty, and that every night he laid his head
Speaker 1: somewhere else. He never slept in the same place twice.
Speaker 1: We and a lot of time chasing him around, advising
Speaker 1: different strategies to to contain them, and and uh and
Speaker 1: uh and and take him out. That night he actually
Speaker 1: went to his office and he was gonna bed down
Speaker 1: there that night. He went there and he had his
Speaker 1: he had another guy with him and advised his assistant
Speaker 1: if you will, um, and he had to his bodyguard
Speaker 1: with him. They would always post themselves out in front
Speaker 1: of the door to the front. And I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that they were standing right behind the door. Um. So
Speaker 1: they were there. And we had the drone helicopter filming
Speaker 1: this whole thing the entire time. Okay, those guys never
Speaker 1: left that building ever. Okay, that's the reason we spun up.
Speaker 1: We went down there and we and we executed, um
Speaker 1: knowing and we can't and we got it last minute
Speaker 1: until updates. Yeah he's still in the building. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: still in the building. It's a go right up until
Speaker 1: we pulled up in front of the building. Um. So
Speaker 1: there's some you know, again, there's some inconsistencies in this
Speaker 1: in the original story, but I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's worth noting that, uh, things didn't quite
Speaker 1: play out that way. It wasn't watched and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like we're a bunch of inept idiots out there just
Speaker 1: kind of winging it. Um, it was calculated, it was planned. Uh,
Speaker 1: we were being responsible enough to make sure that we
Speaker 1: weren't gonna hurt anybody else and that we were only
Speaker 1: going after their target. That target. The guys that were
Speaker 1: with him were not angels. Okay, they were not just
Speaker 1: innocent dudes hanging out with them. They were also part
Speaker 1: of his his little entourage. They were and uh, in fact,
Speaker 1: the next day of the news, his assistant came out
Speaker 1: all bandaged stuff and got on the news and said
Speaker 1: that you know, there's attempted assassination on on his principle,
Speaker 1: and you know he got away, but blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. You know, so maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We didn't know at that time what happened.
Speaker 1: So I mean tactically the seaking dale. Um, what was
Speaker 1: the logic behind putting the breach charge on the door?
Speaker 1: You're saying that wasn't the intent was not to kill
Speaker 1: everyone inside. And then there was the second explosion, allegedly
Speaker 1: the sedan that you guys had driven in. Can you
Speaker 1: just explain how how that worked out? What the plan
Speaker 1: was there? You? So the plan was actually the breach,
Speaker 1: the breach the building, okay, And it was a directional
Speaker 1: charge Okay, So it wasn't really an omnidirectional charge. It
Speaker 1: was directed a directed blast into the building. Um. This
Speaker 1: this building, when I say that, it was really a
Speaker 1: small office space that was probably um, maybe twelve ft
Speaker 1: across wide and maybe thirty ft deep UM, with one
Speaker 1: little alcove on the right side of it. Was very
Speaker 1: small office space. Okay. Um, maybe this guy must have
Speaker 1: been in a little in a little alcove or something
Speaker 1: and it was protected from the blast. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but the idea was to send that directed blast through
Speaker 1: the door to take him out because they had locked
Speaker 1: the door. Now, initially I would have went in there
Speaker 1: and up, you know, so I could confirm that I
Speaker 1: got the guy. But it wasn't working out that way,
Speaker 1: so I had to I had to fall back on
Speaker 1: the contituency of using the I D. The reason the
Speaker 1: vehicle got blown up. UM, I was told, we're not
Speaker 1: going to take that vehicle off the objective. Why. UM,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why. Ey that what the lodging was.
Speaker 1: My assumption is the m rents, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really know why. I was told, we're gonna
Speaker 1: leave that vehicle behind. We can't take it out, but
Speaker 1: it has to be destroyed completely. I said, fine, So
Speaker 1: I built the I D for that vehicle as well.
Speaker 1: So I blew it up and burned it to the ground. Um.
Speaker 1: It also had a delayed fuse on it and gave
Speaker 1: me time to get out of the area and UH
Speaker 1: and get on the vehicles and roll away. So that's
Speaker 1: why we had the two charges. One was for the
Speaker 1: target door, the other one was for the vehicle. As
Speaker 1: it turns out, the next day, UM, the local news
Speaker 1: reported that there was a vehicle bomb. Um that blew
Speaker 1: up in front of this office. And and uh, you
Speaker 1: know they didn't have any idea what was really going on,
Speaker 1: which was fine, that's what we wanted. We didn't want
Speaker 1: them to know really what happened. UM. So anyway, that's
Speaker 1: kind of how it played out that night. Um. It
Speaker 1: actually happened very quickly. Um we got off the objective
Speaker 1: uh and pretty fast time. And by the time time
Speaker 1: we did get off, but you don't see in the
Speaker 1: footage that a lot of bad guys started converging onto
Speaker 1: that point. And by the way, um, that place was
Speaker 1: just crawling with Al Qaida. Um. And you know there's
Speaker 1: talk about the Muslim Brotherhood and alil is La, you
Speaker 1: know they're really a good guy blah blah blah. Well,
Speaker 1: actually alils La, as part of the Muslim Brotherhood, the
Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood had built an entire apartment complex for Al
Speaker 1: Qaida in Aiden. Um. I've got video of their headquarters
Speaker 1: and it's it's a pretty good sized building, about four
Speaker 1: stories high. So they were everywhere. Um. And we actually
Speaker 1: went to the airport which we were gonna interdict. Um.
Speaker 1: This target there there's one every day, and we got
Speaker 1: intel that this guy might catch this flight. Um. So
Speaker 1: we went there and a close target reconnaissance of the
Speaker 1: airport checkpoints and we're basically looking for you know, um
Speaker 1: an area ambush. And so when we drove it to
Speaker 1: the to the checkpoint to get into the airport, well,
Speaker 1: guess who's an and in the checkpoint. It's not the
Speaker 1: Immeradi army. It was al Qaida literally manning the checkpoints
Speaker 1: going into the airport. We get into the airport, the
Speaker 1: Enmeradi Army occupied it. Okay, well was it? And I
Speaker 1: mean it's the weirdest damn thing. You know, we've got
Speaker 1: bad guys garden an airport with the good guys in it. Okay.
Speaker 1: And so the emmeradies had pretty much free travel and
Speaker 1: uh and the reason why they had they got an
Speaker 1: ide really bad and when the gates um hit with
Speaker 1: a hard v b I d um killed a lot
Speaker 1: of guys and uh, and the kind of like they
Speaker 1: kind of like they kind of like backed off of
Speaker 1: their operations almost completely, and it was almost like an
Speaker 1: unwritten truce that you don't bother us, we won't bother
Speaker 1: U type thing. And so they pretty much were able
Speaker 1: to drive freely down the roads and um, and I've
Speaker 1: seen this happened before as wellthen uh, conduced in Afghanistan
Speaker 1: with the Germans. You know, the Germans were walking around
Speaker 1: but we were in the local restaurants unarmed, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why not, Well, you know, they won't hurt us. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, there's like lots of bad guys here. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's man. I hate to say it,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people, a lot of countries
Speaker 1: out there, they're just uh you know, they're to play
Speaker 1: Kat and the enemy just to save their ass the
Speaker 1: game of work type any reason. Um. But anyways, Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, we the mission went off and we
Speaker 1: recovered and then uh you know, continued on from there
Speaker 1: with our other projects so to speak. Um, for all
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, you know, wasn't mission is success. I
Speaker 1: think I think execution wasn't success. Um. I just think
Speaker 1: that under circumstances. Um, you know, nothing went really wrong
Speaker 1: other than not everybody did their job the way they
Speaker 1: were supposed to and the support. Because I I went
Speaker 1: to the door by myself, I should know how to
Speaker 1: go down that door by myself. I decided gonna go ahead,
Speaker 1: and everybody myself and I just didn't get to it. Um.
Speaker 1: We could have probably and got the target. UM, but
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't play out that way. UM. Other
Speaker 1: than that, you know, we had a bunch of following
Speaker 1: missions for some other things we got involved in. UM.
Speaker 1: And then uh, we did another evolution. We pulled out
Speaker 1: and it came back a couple of weeks later to
Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. And then it's just
Speaker 1: kind of got a little uh, kind of got a
Speaker 1: little slow at that point, and I had a little issue,
Speaker 1: um particularly Uh you know this, this has been my problem.
Speaker 1: And every guy on the team will support me on this,
Speaker 1: you know. There I'm keeping their knees out of this
Speaker 1: right now. But I've never read in a show of solidarity. UM.
Speaker 1: Isaac was a terrible okay, sound like you know. He was,
Speaker 1: you know, the hero. He was actually the zero. He
Speaker 1: was the weakest link on the team. He was out
Speaker 1: of stone bathing every day. He was telling the boy's
Speaker 1: getting him his coffee, I mean betweting grown men his soldiers, Okay,
Speaker 1: um to go to stetch his coffee. Um. The guy
Speaker 1: was he was rat holing. Uh. We would get sometimes
Speaker 1: we get a little box and red bull in the
Speaker 1: morning from other cooks and uh and fruit. He would
Speaker 1: rat hole all that crap in his in his hooch. Um,
Speaker 1: you know I mean this. I mean this guy did
Speaker 1: not show any leadership traits. And when I called him
Speaker 1: out on it one more, I walked up to him,
Speaker 1: like sunbathing him in. Abraham said, listen, guys, you're paying
Speaker 1: me a lot of money for your strategic advisor, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some advice, okay. And they kind
Speaker 1: of looked up at me, and I said, yeah, So
Speaker 1: here's how I'm gonna start lead by example. And I said,
Speaker 1: right now, you guys are not leading by example. You're
Speaker 1: out here laying on your ass sunbathing. You know, you
Speaker 1: got boys fetching your your your your coffee and uh.
Speaker 1: And I didn't appreciate it, and and they didn't appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And then I told him, I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I know, you're running the business. You know, I know
Speaker 1: you're worried about the bottom line. I said, but when
Speaker 1: we get the firefight out there in the field, nobody
Speaker 1: cares about your fire your bottom line. Not one guy
Speaker 1: here is gonna be thinking about your bottom line. Um.
Speaker 1: And protecting it. They're gonna be thinking about getting their
Speaker 1: ass out of this jam. And I said, if you
Speaker 1: keep treating my ship birds here in the in the camp,
Speaker 1: when you get out there, um, you know what, they
Speaker 1: may not be there for you. And I said and
Speaker 1: and that, and the Shopton part was Isaac looked up
Speaker 1: at me and he goes, well, I disagree. Um, the
Speaker 1: bottom line is important and it still is a business, like,
Speaker 1: oh man, you just don't get it, dude. We're not
Speaker 1: making widgets here. This is not a football team or
Speaker 1: baseball team or basketball team. Um, you know, this is
Speaker 1: war fighting stuff. And that attitude is wrong. And so
Speaker 1: that was kind of that was his emo the entire time. Um,
Speaker 1: and then make a long story short it. Towards the end,
Speaker 1: another seal of literacly have walked out the desert, just
Speaker 1: walked away, said, for ethical reasons, no longer be a
Speaker 1: part of this. I'm not gonna work, you know, an
Speaker 1: environment with guys or leadership or if you want to
Speaker 1: call it leadership. I called like a really bad management. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work under those conditions and risk everything
Speaker 1: to include my life, um, for for this. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not what I do and that's not what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. And that's when I actually built out on it. Um.
Speaker 1: I went there with the objective taking out real bad guys,
Speaker 1: UM doing something in the furnace of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the war on terror and uh. And you know, of
Speaker 1: course I was gonna I want to get paid for it,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm not gonna sit here and say, well,
Speaker 1: what money was important? Of course it's important. Otherwise white
Speaker 1: health would you do it. I didn't have to do anything.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it all my life, okay, And I
Speaker 1: decided the age of fifty three to going out there
Speaker 1: one more time and take a swing at it, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: But uh, it was not it was not handled properly.
Speaker 1: And by the way, was um Golan was already gone.
Speaker 1: He had already left the country on some other stuff
Speaker 1: and and uh, I didn't know if he's gonna come
Speaker 1: back or now. So we were out in the field
Speaker 1: with with Isaac basically doing nothing but spending our wheels
Speaker 1: and uh. And that's at that point I decided time
Speaker 1: to get out of here. UM. So I look for
Speaker 1: the record again. You know, we had legitimate targets. Um.
Speaker 1: There were real targets that and not something we made up.
Speaker 1: We vetted those targets ourselves as well. Um, we made
Speaker 1: very we took extra care to make sure that that's
Speaker 1: all we're going after is the target guys, real bad guys.
Speaker 1: There were other bad guys that I was actually more
Speaker 1: interested in getting, but the sponsor asked us first to
Speaker 1: go after this guy. The other guy we were going
Speaker 1: after through is the coal bomber, the guy that we're
Speaker 1: um playing the co bombing. UM. He happened to be
Speaker 1: in eight Okay, he's an a mom. He was running
Speaker 1: the school and what he was doing is running ISIS
Speaker 1: fighters through his uhum, through his school and preparing him
Speaker 1: to go to Syria. Okay, so this guy was still
Speaker 1: very much in the game, and that's the guy I
Speaker 1: really wanted. I wanted that guy first. We in fact,
Speaker 1: we all did, UM. But he was on the he
Speaker 1: was on the target desk, and he was on target
Speaker 1: deck and he was wound be one of the next ones. Um,
Speaker 1: But we had to get this other guy out of
Speaker 1: the way first. There was a whole history behind him. UM,
Speaker 1: it's issues with him, you know, and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he just whatever, you know, he's just the politician, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy. Whatever. That's bullshit. Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: what the intel said. That's not what his action said.
Speaker 1: That's not what all they armed doug thugs around him said.
Speaker 1: That's not what al Kainda said. Hanging around here and
Speaker 1: protecting his protecting his ass in his office. I wanted,
Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to follow up on that
Speaker 1: one point about the targeting packets. I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: you know, who did up the targeting packets. There's even
Speaker 1: in the article there's a slide showing just like we
Speaker 1: would have seen in a rack or Afghanistan, you know,
Speaker 1: h VT whatever. Um, I just wondered, who did that?
Speaker 1: Who did that up? Who did the intel work, the
Speaker 1: intel piece on this, the Emmeradies, their Emmaradi intel service. Okay,
Speaker 1: um there M I was involved in this thing at
Speaker 1: the highest level. Um. They were giving us the target packages.
Speaker 1: Of course we also betted them. You know, we did
Speaker 1: the best due diligence that we could. Um, and we
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we're not We're not just
Speaker 1: gonna go out and dunce some dude because he owes.
Speaker 1: You know, the boss of money or some bullshit. You know,
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that they were on the
Speaker 1: up and up. So we did our we did our homework,
Speaker 1: we did our due diligence. UM. We we took the
Speaker 1: target packages and through our analysis decided that they're they're
Speaker 1: good targets UM. And so that's that's really how that
Speaker 1: played out, and that's how you know, we we we
Speaker 1: approached it. We we went were able to get a
Speaker 1: source UM to provide human force, and he was actually
Speaker 1: very good UM. You know, he had eyes on he
Speaker 1: was very good at reporting UM. And of course we
Speaker 1: also had we also had the drones up UM that
Speaker 1: was actually managed by the Emirati. So we actually had
Speaker 1: kept a guy in the in the drone uh whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, in the station there to
Speaker 1: monitor you know, um, the drone footage as it was
Speaker 1: flying and report back to us. So we had eyes
Speaker 1: on the objective UM, both from a drone and from
Speaker 1: human We had our own eyes on the objective UM,
Speaker 1: you know through you know, through the uh what do
Speaker 1: you call it the polloting room whatever they call it now,
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but you know, it was again I
Speaker 1: want to emphasize this, and this was not We're not
Speaker 1: a gang of murders. Um, we're not out killing news
Speaker 1: of people. Um. We were very careful not to cause
Speaker 1: the collateral damage. And uh, you know, and we're doing
Speaker 1: the right thing. And that's the bottom line we're doing.
Speaker 1: We were doing the right thing. You know. You can
Speaker 1: judge us for whatever you want, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we went to do what needed to be done, you know,
Speaker 1: because look, the terrorists are not going away. I live
Speaker 1: in Indonesia right now. I'm in Bali. This We're I
Speaker 1: live there here. These guys are coming back here and
Speaker 1: they're they're tearing shipped up, they're blowing people up there,
Speaker 1: killing people. Okay, they're here. Um, these guys are not
Speaker 1: gonna go away. They're just gonna keep moving. Um. And
Speaker 1: their objective is never gonna change. It's gonna be to
Speaker 1: take take the West out. Um. I'm a soldier, just
Speaker 1: like these other guys were professionals. Um, we're honorable men.
Speaker 1: We're Americans, and we wanted to do the right thing
Speaker 1: for our country. We wanted to do that. That's what
Speaker 1: we were there for. Um. It wasn't about let's see
Speaker 1: how many dudes we could put holes in and have
Speaker 1: some fun. Hell no, who who does that for fun? Okay?
Speaker 1: It's very dangerous. I mean literally it was four of
Speaker 1: us on a street fight with a bunch of al
Speaker 1: Qaeda one night, with no no support. Um. We had.
Speaker 1: We had some legionnaires that came with us, but they
Speaker 1: were actually off about it, maybe a quarter miles staged
Speaker 1: away at the QRF in their vehicles, just standing by
Speaker 1: on call. We got in some real trouble, we would
Speaker 1: pull them in and get us out. But that was
Speaker 1: as good as it was gonna get. We didn't have
Speaker 1: anything else. We didn't have air support, we have big
Speaker 1: meal to come in to bail us out. We could
Speaker 1: have all got smoked out there. And guess what, nobody
Speaker 1: this will would ever know about it. You know, nobody
Speaker 1: would have ever known about it. Um. So you know,
Speaker 1: people call us assassins, mercenaries whatever I was. I was
Speaker 1: a subcontractor, okay, an independent contractor for another company in
Speaker 1: American company going out and doing what we did, you know, um,
Speaker 1: conducting military operations. That's what That's really what it was
Speaker 1: all about. It the other day, Dale, about how many
Speaker 1: operations do you think you guys conducted during the two evolutions,
Speaker 1: the two deployments that you guys were over there. We
Speaker 1: didn't do that many. Actually most of our most of
Speaker 1: our ops were UM reconnaissance close to our reconnaissance. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, that was most of it. Because the truth
Speaker 1: is the aim. It is a very dangerous place. UM.
Speaker 1: At least it was back in there are back Literally
Speaker 1: you could drive down any ms are at about every
Speaker 1: three you would hit a checkpoint. That checkpoint was either
Speaker 1: al Qaida, it was either Whothies it was Jim and
Speaker 1: these resistance, Um it was it was you know, is
Speaker 1: anybody's sketchy was gonna be at the next techpoint. You know,
Speaker 1: these guys were operating on the same road side by side,
Speaker 1: you know, and I had I guess a little truth there,
Speaker 1: but they were control the roads and basically we as
Speaker 1: Americans and uh the French, you know, we made sure
Speaker 1: that we hodge it up that were hit in the
Speaker 1: back of the vehicle so they couldn't see us. Um.
Speaker 1: Otherwise it would have been game on. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's the way we had to travel because it was
Speaker 1: such a dangerous place. Every day, every night there were
Speaker 1: firefight's explosions. UM. Probably one of the more dangerous places
Speaker 1: I've ever been in my life, and so um, we
Speaker 1: had to be you know smart on what we did
Speaker 1: and how we did it. But because there was so
Speaker 1: many bad guys out there, it was very hard to
Speaker 1: get to an objective and uh and execute without getting
Speaker 1: compromised before you get there. Because we had to travel
Speaker 1: the MSRs UM. We had some helicopter support for a
Speaker 1: while there, but the truth is, the pilots weren't really
Speaker 1: excited about landing on an objective from getting out in
Speaker 1: the firefight. Um, they were more inclined to draw us
Speaker 1: off at a you know, off at a distance and
Speaker 1: uh we would have to hump it in. So it
Speaker 1: was very difficult to operate there. But we were able
Speaker 1: to go do some ctrs UM surveillance type stuff and uh,
Speaker 1: you know p I D targets. In fact, one guy
Speaker 1: that we were going after was ah, he was an
Speaker 1: ISIS bomb maker. Um we had a little what I
Speaker 1: call a bomb factory in downtown and uh, he was
Speaker 1: definitely a guy we wanted to get and uh, the
Speaker 1: night before he went to get him, Um, the Enmity's
Speaker 1: resistance actually took him out. So you know, there was
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of guys fighting it
Speaker 1: out there, good guys and bad guys, you know, and
Speaker 1: we were just having to be in the mix as well. Um.
Speaker 1: But again I'll say that, uh, you know our objectives
Speaker 1: and are you know our our intent was honorable and
Speaker 1: uh you know, we had no intention of hurting innocent
Speaker 1: people or you know, just randomly targeting people. We made
Speaker 1: sure we did our job and did our business properly
Speaker 1: and so um so this whole article thing, you know again,
Speaker 1: it's like got me a little chief because you know,
Speaker 1: when I started getting phone calls and people telling me
Speaker 1: that they know it's me, I got you know, I
Speaker 1: got a little living about that because now I'm reading people,
Speaker 1: you know, especially left wing you know nut jobs out there,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about you know, docks and docks and
Speaker 1: our families. I saw one one guy stated, hey, doctor
Speaker 1: families and blow their kids up in the school bus
Speaker 1: on the way to school. Like what the hell? You know?
Speaker 1: This is an American Okay, this is an American. Um
Speaker 1: And by the way, I got his name and his
Speaker 1: facing and I know who he is now, um, you know,
Speaker 1: which was stupid and on his part, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a cut. There's we're living in very uh
Speaker 1: smoll choice and in perilous times right now, you know,
Speaker 1: with what's going on in our country. And uh so
Speaker 1: I don't take stuff like that lightly either. And uh
Speaker 1: as I stayed in my in my little statement on
Speaker 1: the internet. You know, I travel a lot. I'm travel
Speaker 1: all over the world. I'm very well recognized. I mean
Speaker 1: it's very really good. Well, I traveled to a country
Speaker 1: where somebody doesn't walk up to me go, hey, you're
Speaker 1: a very badass, right rights just cool, I mean all
Speaker 1: the time, you know, it happens all the time. And so, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I am recognized. And so now I've got
Speaker 1: to actually put extracise on the back of my head,
Speaker 1: you know, because of this, and I don't appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But this is all done, you know. And so people
Speaker 1: are asking me, well, why didn't you come out because
Speaker 1: your name is not in the article. Didn't have to
Speaker 1: be in the article. People that know me know my background. Um,
Speaker 1: quite a fewer out there um have called have either
Speaker 1: called me or called my management team. And uh they
Speaker 1: didn't ask if it was me. They stated that it
Speaker 1: was me. So I know, you know, I'm compromised that
Speaker 1: regard um and so like like Isaac said, you know, um,
Speaker 1: he felt like this thing was gonna come you know,
Speaker 1: out of Pandora's box, and he wanted to get in
Speaker 1: front of it. Well, now the open Pandora's box for me.
Speaker 1: You know. Basically, that's what I'm trying to do is
Speaker 1: stay in front of this whole thing and make sure
Speaker 1: that this thing doesn't get skewed to the point where, um,
Speaker 1: something that we did that was actually positive and right
Speaker 1: and honorable, um turns into something you know, to a
Speaker 1: witch hunt. And uh and and that's why I'm saying this.
Speaker 1: And you know, and moreover, this guy wants to capitalize
Speaker 1: on it and make money that nobody wanted to do.
Speaker 1: You know, we're like and we did our jobs, quiet professionals. Um,
Speaker 1: you got paid, and the game is over. Everybody go
Speaker 1: home and go back to your life type thing. But
Speaker 1: this guy, uh, you know, he's got his issues. Um,
Speaker 1: and anybody the Seal community that knows him, UM probably
Speaker 1: can expand on it a lot more than I can. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not my place really to get into
Speaker 1: all that, but uh, um, all I know is out
Speaker 1: in the field. Um. You know, basically, I was the
Speaker 1: guy running the show on it at every level and
Speaker 1: not trying to brag or anything like that, but basically,
Speaker 1: what it speaks to is, UM, the level of incompetence UM.
Speaker 1: And basically, and I want to say competence, I don't
Speaker 1: mean that like in a really negative way. Let's say
Speaker 1: the inexperience. That's probably a better way. In fact, that
Speaker 1: was his first fire, a fight that night. That was
Speaker 1: his first time in combat. Okay, so you know it
Speaker 1: was telling as well. You know, so again, UM, it's
Speaker 1: just his agenda kind of sucks. And uh and I
Speaker 1: think that nobody, you know, the rest of the team
Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate it. And I know they're out there right now.
Speaker 1: In fact, one of the guys again, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: mention his name, although he told me I could. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do that unless I really really have to.
Speaker 1: But he's actually active duty right now, getting ready to tire. UM.
Speaker 1: He went from the National Guard. Well at the time,
Speaker 1: he was not in service. UM, he was National Guard. UM.
Speaker 1: Now he went active duty. He actually spent some time
Speaker 1: in Syria, UM, probably like six months or something like that.
Speaker 1: And you know he Uh so the reporter went to
Speaker 1: the military okay and started asking questions about him and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the military started C I D investigation, UM,
Speaker 1: which in turn has turned into all these other you know,
Speaker 1: it's gone all the way up and chipped down chain
Speaker 1: of command, probably all the way up to at least
Speaker 1: state department level right now. UM. And so this is
Speaker 1: what this has caused for just just this person alone, man. Um.
Speaker 1: He's put his his clearance in jeopardy, his retirement and jeopardy,
Speaker 1: and it was totally uncalled for. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: in my case, yeah, I'm a civilian now, you know,
Speaker 1: I know I still follow under U C. M. J UM.
Speaker 1: I don't think I will. UM again, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything as far as I'm concerned. I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything wrong or illegal, not not wittingly anyways. UM.
Speaker 1: But you know I have now I've got to contend
Speaker 1: with the possible consequences as well. And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: if if people dig deep enough and hard enough, they'll
Speaker 1: be able to, uh, you know, identify the other guys. Hey,
Speaker 1: this whole thing out of curiosity when you mentioned people saying,
Speaker 1: you know, they knew that was you in the photo.
Speaker 1: Was that photo out anywhere on the internet elsewhere? Because
Speaker 1: what I was wondering is I mean, on some level,
Speaker 1: would it have saved you trouble to just say, hey,
Speaker 1: that's not me and move on? Because is there a
Speaker 1: way to prove that it's you? I mean, at this
Speaker 1: point you're admitting that it's you, but well, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't prove it. But I didn't have to prove it.
Speaker 1: When people start calling and they already say it, they
Speaker 1: know it's me. Um, you know from I mean from
Speaker 1: the Office of Government Affairs o g Hey, all the
Speaker 1: way to Hollywood, West coast to east coast, and they're
Speaker 1: calling my management team phone call after phone calls like whoa. Um.
Speaker 1: Then you know, then you know they know the descriptor
Speaker 1: you know, you know it kind of fits me. And
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to get out there and get ahead
Speaker 1: of it rather than trying to deny it, because the
Speaker 1: reality is I can't deny you know, I've got you know,
Speaker 1: I got my passport stamp going in on the second evolution. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't deny that I wasn't that I
Speaker 1: wasn't there when in fact I was there, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: So anyways, it is what it is. But again, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm confident that you know, I've done nothing wrong, trying
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. And uh, you know, my
Speaker 1: my my past military record, my history, UM, you know,
Speaker 1: I think speaks to that I'm an honorable person as
Speaker 1: well as the other guys. And you know, there was
Speaker 1: no no weirdness going on there or anything that should
Speaker 1: have anybody kind of raised her eyebrows at us. You
Speaker 1: know they did. He did what people don't have the
Speaker 1: guts to do. Basically. You know, I did want to
Speaker 1: ask you, um, how did this whole thing wind down?
Speaker 1: I mean, how did this contract come to a close?
Speaker 1: You went over there, you did, there's two deployments, and
Speaker 1: then how how did it end? What what happened? How
Speaker 1: come this thing isn't still active? I don't know. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I left, I literally literally packed my
Speaker 1: bags and with another guy and we both literally just
Speaker 1: walked out said see you. So we made our way
Speaker 1: back to Dubai, to Abu Dhabi. I got maybe my
Speaker 1: way back to Indonesia and find back to the US. Um.
Speaker 1: The other guy, I don't know where, he went somewhere
Speaker 1: to Europe, I think maybe back down to South America. UM,
Speaker 1: but we just walked away and never looked back. I
Speaker 1: never and I never made comments back. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't follow up, and I've just done. You know, I
Speaker 1: went back to my life and just said, let me
Speaker 1: focus on on my thing. And so what I understand
Speaker 1: is that Isaac and Abraham had a falling out. Basically,
Speaker 1: Abraham fired Isaac kicked him to the curb. Um, and
Speaker 1: that's how that relationship ended. Why the contract disappeared was
Speaker 1: probably because UM, two of us walked away. They didn't
Speaker 1: have enough guys out in the field UM to continue mission. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we were down to just a handful of
Speaker 1: guys out there, you know, and Uh, I decided I
Speaker 1: want to know more part of it. The way it
Speaker 1: was being handled was not uh. When I say handle,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the operations of the missions, I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about the the management leadership part of it,
Speaker 1: you know, the the day to day operate, the day
Speaker 1: to day conduct, um just sitting around doing nothing, you know.
Speaker 1: And then it just it just got to be too much.
Speaker 1: And I realized that, you know what, I don't have
Speaker 1: to don't have to do this anymore. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: I did my time in the army and the hurry
Speaker 1: up and weight game, and I said, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: I got I got more important things to do. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy with, you know, the leadership and the
Speaker 1: way I was talked to or treated. Um. And even
Speaker 1: there there's there's some there's some stuff on the back
Speaker 1: side that I won't get into here, but uh, um,
Speaker 1: I believe that at the end of the day. Um.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I was I left, it was
Speaker 1: kind of nudged out, so to speak, was because the
Speaker 1: other person that was left behind, I felt like, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take his job, which are essentially had
Speaker 1: taken his job, um, just by proxy, because that's why
Speaker 1: I was hired to be there. And uh because the
Speaker 1: guy couldn't the guy didn't have the leadership traits um
Speaker 1: nor other respect of the guys that follow him anywhere. Um,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't fall him to the goddamn shit or if
Speaker 1: you needed them to go with him and hand them
Speaker 1: told he is, we're gonna do it. Um. And I
Speaker 1: was just tired of it. So, you know, if it
Speaker 1: comes a point in life where you just gotta you know,
Speaker 1: you just gotta kind of look at your principles and go, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, is this is this really? Is this really
Speaker 1: what it's all about? Is this is what it's worth,
Speaker 1: you know to do this kind of garbage or can
Speaker 1: I move on to something of my own again and
Speaker 1: just kind of put this behind me? Um? So it
Speaker 1: was you know, for the most part, I would say
Speaker 1: operationally it was a success. Um, you know, even if
Speaker 1: we didn't even if we didn't take out the target,
Speaker 1: you know, execution, you know, all aspects of that were
Speaker 1: successful and we're done properly. But you know what, you
Speaker 1: don't get them every time, you know, even in the military.
Speaker 1: I mean, goddamn, how many times you go on operation
Speaker 1: you know and it's a dry hole. You know, you
Speaker 1: get Intel said, h VT S there to show up
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, he had been here two weeks.
Speaker 1: You know. So um, you know, that's just how it
Speaker 1: That's just how it works, man. You know, that's just
Speaker 1: how work fighting is. And then this whole thing about
Speaker 1: blah blah blah not surgical, I d you know, come on, really,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was when I was in Iraq
Speaker 1: or Afghanistan, I wrote a on up for the people
Speaker 1: I was working for, shout out the chain of command,
Speaker 1: and what I wanted to do. I said, look, you know,
Speaker 1: you look at military and particularly Afghanistan. What did they do?
Speaker 1: They rolled out of the front gate of the fall,
Speaker 1: They roll down the road, their vehicles, they get ambush, right,
Speaker 1: They're always rolling the ambush, and then they're trying to
Speaker 1: fight up the trucks and then take casually. You've gotta
Speaker 1: go back and patch everybody up. Um. You know, and
Speaker 1: my my attitude has always been, you know you and
Speaker 1: if you want to beat this insurgency, you gotta think
Speaker 1: like insurgents. You gotta fight like insurgents. You gotta fight
Speaker 1: you w uncommercial warfare. You gotta turn into the gorillas. Um.
Speaker 1: This is what special forces are supposed to do with
Speaker 1: special operations. UM. And so my idea was, you know,
Speaker 1: let's let's turn the table on these guys and do
Speaker 1: them what they're doing us. Why don't we build some
Speaker 1: v v I d s and park them out in
Speaker 1: front of the Pakistan, the front of the compounds of
Speaker 1: the of the bad guys particularly that are highing out
Speaker 1: in Pakistan. UM. I said, why don't we do that?
Speaker 1: And I actually had a concept to UM. Basically, I
Speaker 1: called my monster garage. I was gonna build some trucks,
Speaker 1: pack them with explosives, you know, conceal everything, preposition and
Speaker 1: you know, and certain areas of safe houses, and then
Speaker 1: roll them out, driving some in front of some bad
Speaker 1: guy's house. And then when he comes out to check
Speaker 1: his mail, vaporizer And I said, this whole I sent
Speaker 1: this whole con up up right, it comes back, and
Speaker 1: it comes back and bread egg. We're on the business
Speaker 1: of making vv I D s. And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're freaking idiot, right, So I wrote back, I go,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did I say v v I D. I
Speaker 1: mean wheeled explosive delivery system That sounds an it's better monkeys, right.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of crap with dealing with. You know,
Speaker 1: my conups were getting approved by some chicken an office
Speaker 1: in Cobble, my con ups in the field, and then
Speaker 1: it would take three or four or five days for
Speaker 1: her to come back, going, I don't know, you know, like,
Speaker 1: what do you not know? You know, you're sitting kind
Speaker 1: of desk. Of course you don't know. But this is
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with. The this whole political and bureaucratic process,
Speaker 1: you know, bullshit, and people wonder why you know, um,
Speaker 1: And then everybody questions, you know, like even this article
Speaker 1: was questioning, um, you know, the legitimacy of using you
Speaker 1: know mercenaria know, um, you know private paramilitary companies to
Speaker 1: go do this stuff. You know what happened to the
Speaker 1: you know, the military doing these kind of things. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, America, you put somebody goddamn restrictions on
Speaker 1: the on our military. You know, the rules of engagement.
Speaker 1: All they can do is getting their trucks and drives
Speaker 1: on ambush, you know, I mean we we hamstring our
Speaker 1: own military. You know, the whole rules of engagement thing
Speaker 1: has gotten ridiculous. I mean another classic example is, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't interrogate people. Um, you know, not gotten on
Speaker 1: the roll by the way, got down, but you know
Speaker 1: it's it's like the rules of engagement. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't can interrogate anybody anymore man, you know. And this
Speaker 1: was old McCain came up with this stupid, stupid garbage, right,
Speaker 1: And so what ended up happening was the bad guys, Um,
Speaker 1: they got smart, they go they can't interrogate me, right,
Speaker 1: So when we would go to roll them up, if
Speaker 1: we didn't kill them. Um, the first question they would
Speaker 1: ask is are you arresting me as a criminal or
Speaker 1: as a terrorist? And never hoping you said terrorists, right,
Speaker 1: because if that if you were just resting as terrorists,
Speaker 1: I mean they got to spend three days and your
Speaker 1: fob eating good food, Warren blankie, you know, and they
Speaker 1: didn't have to say a word and not gonna beat up.
Speaker 1: Nothing's bad. It's gonna happen to him. Then we're gonna
Speaker 1: send them with all their gear back home, right, That's
Speaker 1: how we're But if you arrest them as a criminal,
Speaker 1: I means you're gonna hand them over to the to
Speaker 1: the Afghan police. That was gonna be a bad night
Speaker 1: for them and they probably wouldn't see the daylight again
Speaker 1: for a long time. Right, they feared that kind of
Speaker 1: crap and uh and then do the game. They knew
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna interrogate him, Um, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: interviewing with like it was just ridiculous. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a job interview. I mean, you know they're
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you the truth. It was. It was
Speaker 1: counterproductive And the problem was with that is a lot
Speaker 1: of times there was critical information intelligence that we needed
Speaker 1: like right now, that we couldn't get because we couldn't
Speaker 1: interrogate him. I can tell you going back, you know
Speaker 1: a ways when we were in Iraq and uh and
Speaker 1: we you know, if you want to call it an interrogation, Look,
Speaker 1: I've been through worse than interrogations in Serio school than
Speaker 1: what was going on over there. Basically, these guys were
Speaker 1: crumble if you just kind of ald at him. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's tissing their pants because they
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna question and you don't have to
Speaker 1: do anything, but you know, fletch and they and they
Speaker 1: tell you the whole life story. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we used to get information, useful information. We used to
Speaker 1: locate I D. S on the side of the road
Speaker 1: because of that, and we saved as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: we save American and Coalition lives. Um, they took that,
Speaker 1: they took that ability away from us. That was and
Speaker 1: that was McCaine who took it away from us. Okay,
Speaker 1: Um he was the big mouth, a big advocate for that.
Speaker 1: And I have no respect for the guy, but said,
Speaker 1: oh he's a war here about bullogning man Um. He
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned he's probably responsible for a
Speaker 1: lot of dead Americans right now because of his his uh,
Speaker 1: the policy that he uh that he basically enforced. UM.
Speaker 1: So you know, at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: know when when people go, well, what you know, mercenary, mercenary, mercenary,
Speaker 1: like it's some kind of a bad thing, you know.
Speaker 1: All we are, yeah, worst professional soldiers. Um. We decided
Speaker 1: to help a coalition army friends of ours, all, right,
Speaker 1: to do the same thing that we did while we
Speaker 1: were in the military, and that is fight terrorists, fight
Speaker 1: the war on terrorists, man, um, you know, and that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you see this, uh private as a
Speaker 1: private military contractor I mean do you see this as i, um,
Speaker 1: let's say, a viable strategy to fight terrorism worldwide? Because
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of at the heart of this article.
Speaker 1: And what the what the author of the article is questioning, UM,
Speaker 1: And I think you've given your take on a lot
Speaker 1: of it, UM, But how do you see that? Is
Speaker 1: this like um, Eric Prince for instance, is proposing that
Speaker 1: we kind of do this expand this model all across Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: What what do you make of that? What do you
Speaker 1: think of that? If somebody who kind of worked where
Speaker 1: the rubber meets the asphalt, yeah, you know, and so okay,
Speaker 1: I can see where this can get out of hand,
Speaker 1: where you can get you know, groups out there that
Speaker 1: just go rogue, right and you start, you know, their
Speaker 1: Colonel Kurt's up the river just hammering everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: and they just lose, you know, all sense of responsibility,
Speaker 1: you know, and just do what the hell they want.
Speaker 1: I can see the problem, you know how that could
Speaker 1: be a problematic. Uh. I think if it can be
Speaker 1: controlled and you know, and you can actually have organizations
Speaker 1: that are UM operating under the same kind of rules
Speaker 1: and disciplines that the military will be expected, don I
Speaker 1: think it's viable in fact as a as a as
Speaker 1: a now as a civilian UM, I would gladly do that,
Speaker 1: you know, fill that role, and with the understanding that
Speaker 1: you know, if I get killed, I get killed, there's
Speaker 1: no there's not gonna be an s gl l I
Speaker 1: life insurance money for me. UM. If I get shot
Speaker 1: and blown up out there. You know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: have big Milk come and pull me out. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna have you know, all those other stuff, or maybe
Speaker 1: I will but I'm I'm willing to go out there
Speaker 1: just as an independent contract or mercenary if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to call call me. I don't care, um,
Speaker 1: and go out there and do what needs to be
Speaker 1: done and take that risk. That's why I get paid
Speaker 1: the big bucks. Um, I'm I'm the guy that's willing
Speaker 1: to go do that. And you know, truth is, America
Speaker 1: needs guys like me. They need guys like they were
Speaker 1: willing to do this kind of stuff. You know, other
Speaker 1: countries needed, and of course they needed. That's why they
Speaker 1: called us because they didn't have that within, they didn't
Speaker 1: have that capability within. That's why they asked us to
Speaker 1: come and uh and do this for them. We brought
Speaker 1: a capability that didn't have, you know, and the way
Speaker 1: I looked at it, we all looked at it, was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're helping a fellow nation, um take
Speaker 1: care of bad guys, just the same bad guys that
Speaker 1: Americans are interested in. In fact, so much so because
Speaker 1: while I was there, I still remember when I saw
Speaker 1: Eric prince Land in our compound that was after the
Speaker 1: big firefight, Um that he was in his company was
Speaker 1: in with a sais on the board. I think the
Speaker 1: lost twelve guys in Colymbian's one night. Um. And he
Speaker 1: showed up the next day on the helicopter. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he knew he were there, and I
Speaker 1: would be basically hit behind the sandbags. Um. And then
Speaker 1: and then I watched Jay saw come in or some
Speaker 1: element from the military come in, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: And so the writing was on the wall the U. S.
Speaker 1: Mill was gonna come in there. They're coming in. They're
Speaker 1: they're already here. Um, you know, so I know there
Speaker 1: were some things that were going on. I couldn't say
Speaker 1: exactly what they're gonna do or when they're gonna come
Speaker 1: in it. Uh you know, now they're you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of activity over there still. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a hornets nest. I mean you've got everybody fighting everybody. Um,
Speaker 1: you've got the Iranian back Hoothie's. Um, you've got you know,
Speaker 1: the Saudis over there. Um, you've got the Hoothiees. Uh.
Speaker 1: Human these resistance you've got iis, you've got a cap Um,
Speaker 1: you got the Moslim brotherhood. You know, Um, you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of You've got a lot of bad cats
Speaker 1: over there, you know, and and if we don't deal
Speaker 1: with it, it's just gonna pay another you know, if
Speaker 1: it doesn't get fixed, eventually it's gonna become another Afghanistan
Speaker 1: where it becomes a training platform for you know, the
Speaker 1: future global terrorists. They might emerge from that um. So,
Speaker 1: you know, to answer your question again, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's viable at a small scale,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna have to be closely monitored and management
Speaker 1: because I can see guys, you know, we we see
Speaker 1: in the military, guys are always you know or not
Speaker 1: the military, but now you know, looking for these p
Speaker 1: mc s that go overseas. They will work for whatever company,
Speaker 1: and they totally lie about their their resume, right and
Speaker 1: their d D two four teams all bullshit. I mean,
Speaker 1: guys go over there literally never been the military, and
Speaker 1: they're running security details and have everybody believing they're a
Speaker 1: sealed seals. Thing seems gonna be the famist thing to
Speaker 1: do is tell everybody your seal. Right, I think I've met, like,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty thousand seals already. I don't. I only
Speaker 1: thought there was like seven something like that. But I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I met these twenty dollars. I'm already everybody's
Speaker 1: a seal, you know, and and of course every seals
Speaker 1: of you know, Deaf group guy, you know, and whatever.
Speaker 1: But uh so, you know, unfortunately you know it's that way.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think in certain circumstances, if it's
Speaker 1: if it's properly managed, you know, maybe under the auspices
Speaker 1: of uh the direction of the government. Um like in
Speaker 1: this case for example, you know, um Spear Operations Group
Speaker 1: was working under the auspices or the control of the
Speaker 1: Maradi government and actually there were other governments involved to um.
Speaker 1: He kind of alluded to that a little bit. And
Speaker 1: are over there a aren't they? I'm sorry, the Australians
Speaker 1: are over there quite a bit, aren't they. You know what,
Speaker 1: while we were there, I don't think there was anybody.
Speaker 1: Uh h, we're losing you a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: it's you know, as Dale said before, he's over an endow. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the connection can get a bit screwed up. I think
Speaker 1: we got you back, spread and Jesus Americans, I don't
Speaker 1: if if we disconnect with Dale, I'll try to reconnect
Speaker 1: for a second. Let's see if we get him back
Speaker 1: can you hear me now, yes? Can you hear me now? Yes? Yes? Alright, alright, back.
Speaker 1: I was just talking about Australians working with the m
Speaker 1: Ratis and you were saying, no, there's something something else.
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that. It doesn't mean they're not there.
Speaker 1: I just didn't see him. Um, definitely didn't see him
Speaker 1: in country. Um. You know, but that was a scenario
Speaker 1: where the Immaradi government was kind of you know, the
Speaker 1: reporter used the word masters. You know, I kind of
Speaker 1: find that a little uh stupid to say that. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not They weren't our masters, Okay, Um, they were
Speaker 1: our clients. They were a sponsor so to speak. But
Speaker 1: you know, there was there was a chain of management there,
Speaker 1: a chain of command you know, um right on down
Speaker 1: to the company. Um Spirit Operations group was awarded. Um
Speaker 1: guys were I mean given rank, um uniforms and uh
Speaker 1: so I feel like there was there was some control
Speaker 1: there still because we did have someone to answer to. Um.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we just answered to God, you know,
Speaker 1: for ourselves. We actually had to answer to the Minister
Speaker 1: of Defense um, you know, and too the h Emarati
Speaker 1: government and uh, right on up the food chain. So
Speaker 1: um so in that regard, you know, we look, why
Speaker 1: would we go wild and just start smoking everybody? For
Speaker 1: a This was a major contract, major, major, major contract,
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of all it. So why would we
Speaker 1: jeopardize that by going out and just laying waste to everybody? Okay?
Speaker 1: Even the Muratis would have been like, hey, dude, we
Speaker 1: didn't hire you be murderers. Okay, and they were to
Speaker 1: pull that contract in a second. That's not how it works, Okay.
Speaker 1: There was an incentive for us, you know, a monetary
Speaker 1: incentive to keep it safe, okay and do the right thing.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, there's a political reason for that
Speaker 1: as well. And uh, and as far as I'm concerned
Speaker 1: and the other guys, there was a moral reason to
Speaker 1: do it, to do it properly as well. Um, we
Speaker 1: are not We're not murders, Okay, by far, we're not murders.
Speaker 1: We're soldiers, were professionals, and we did a professional job
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. The one thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to follow up with you on and and I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe you know nothing about this stale, but it's in
Speaker 1: the article about this former seal named Corbett, who apparently
Speaker 1: went to Serbia with goal On and got hemmed up
Speaker 1: over there and is still in prison. I just wondered
Speaker 1: if you knew anything more about that. Um. I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what happened there or the circumstances
Speaker 1: behind it. But I do know I do know Dan
Speaker 1: um and uh he is quite a character, and uh
Speaker 1: he's the guy you want on your left or right
Speaker 1: side if you getting a firefight, that's for sure. But
Speaker 1: I was not there when all that happened to him.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I walked out of the desert and
Speaker 1: I never looked back. Um, those guys continue whatever they
Speaker 1: were doing. I guess they. I don't know Dan end
Speaker 1: up in survey. I'm certaty sure he didn't go over
Speaker 1: there on vacations, so um, you know he got there somehow,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't I really don't know
Speaker 1: the details because I've never I've never really followed up
Speaker 1: with those guys. And uh, you know, I've had a
Speaker 1: very limited communication with Abraham. He's doing his own thing
Speaker 1: wherever he's doing it. And uh, you know, the way
Speaker 1: I look at the past of the past, you know,
Speaker 1: I got you know, I got my own business, my
Speaker 1: own life to worry about now, So that's what I
Speaker 1: do worry about that. Well, Dale, we really appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on the show today, and you know, I mean
Speaker 1: really putting yourself out there in some ways, man to
Speaker 1: tell this story, to tell your side of it, um,
Speaker 1: to get the other, the other side of the story out. Um,
Speaker 1: do you want to tell us a little bit about,
Speaker 1: you know, what you're doing in Indonesia, about the security
Speaker 1: company that you're running now and some of your current activities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so I came so back in time a
Speaker 1: little bit about six years ago. I went to Hong Kong. Um.
Speaker 1: I was over there actually working for the same guy,
Speaker 1: Um Abraham and his company, UM running a security detail
Speaker 1: for a very very wealthy investment banker and then Um anyways,
Speaker 1: I ended up going from there coming to Indonesia, and Uh,
Speaker 1: I came here to visit my girlfriend basically, and then
Speaker 1: after hanging around for a while, I saw I think
Speaker 1: there was some opportunities for security here. There were no
Speaker 1: other American companies here other than one pulled some security
Speaker 1: out of like a gold mine, but not definitely not
Speaker 1: in my space. So anyways, I decided to uh really
Speaker 1: long story short, um start a company here and uh
Speaker 1: I got involved in Canaine. So I'm in Bali right
Speaker 1: now and I provide explosive detect dog uh interdiction dogs
Speaker 1: for the resort hotels here. Um I've already I'm already
Speaker 1: expanding the business throughout Southeast Asia. Um. This is what
Speaker 1: I do. Man. I go out and I play with
Speaker 1: dogs all day and they go find bombs and stuff
Speaker 1: and and uh, I mean living in Bali, living the dream.
Speaker 1: So um, it doesn't get any better than that. You know,
Speaker 1: I've heard the scuba diving game, and I can tell
Speaker 1: you that I've heard the scuba diving out there is badass,
Speaker 1: just like the best in the world. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful here. I mean it's really clean. Water is clean.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things you can do here, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever you're into, fishing, scuba diving and whatever. Man, it's
Speaker 1: it's all here. There's so much to do on this
Speaker 1: little island. And uh, it really is a little piece
Speaker 1: of heaven. You know. I've been Uh, I keep telling you,
Speaker 1: I've been in over seventies seven countries in my life,
Speaker 1: either work there, travel there, lived there, and by far,
Speaker 1: Bally is my favorite place, Bally in Hong Kong. But
Speaker 1: for sure, if I had to live between the two,
Speaker 1: I would live in Bali and which I'm doing obviously.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm doing here. So I'm running here
Speaker 1: any company. Uh, I'm still involved in some other things.
Speaker 1: I'm writing another book. Um, you know, I'm still involved
Speaker 1: in the movies and and uh. You know, I got
Speaker 1: my hand in a lot of other projects and I
Speaker 1: don't want to give up too much stuff. But there's
Speaker 1: I'm still busy and I'm one of the things I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed doing that I do now I've been doing
Speaker 1: it for about a year on my own time, is
Speaker 1: um optimal performance coaching. So I have a lot of
Speaker 1: clients that come to me and they want to know,
Speaker 1: you know, how to be a badass and uh, and
Speaker 1: so I have to correct him. It's not about being
Speaker 1: a badass, it's about being a good ass and uh.
Speaker 1: But what I do is I mentoring coach people on
Speaker 1: peak performance you know. Um, you know, I give him
Speaker 1: my perspective on life and and how I arrived at
Speaker 1: where I am today and was able to, you know,
Speaker 1: achieve as many things that I have done. Um, and
Speaker 1: I kind of give them, you know, my secret sauce,
Speaker 1: so to speak, the formula for success. So looks pretty good.
Speaker 1: I actually have a guy right now that uh an
Speaker 1: international speaker. He's also a coach. Um. He is ranked
Speaker 1: as in the one top one percent of incomers in
Speaker 1: the world. And uh he's actually one of my clients.
Speaker 1: He comes to me for coaching, which is really cool. UM,
Speaker 1: so you know it's doing okay, I do it on
Speaker 1: my own time. UM. It gives me. I feel the
Speaker 1: gap in my you know, my free time, which I
Speaker 1: don't have any I sleep about four hours a night.
Speaker 1: But I enjoy doing that, and I enjoy helping other people,
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to help them improve their lives.
Speaker 1: So um, that's kind of where I'm at and what
Speaker 1: I'm doing now. I still have a place in Tama
Speaker 1: City Beach, Florida. Mine actually didn't get wiped out my
Speaker 1: home by the hurricane. Um, it's actually still standing and uh,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go back. But I actually have a
Speaker 1: friend him and his family. They lost their home and
Speaker 1: so I basically let him move into my apartment. So
Speaker 1: they're staying at my apartment until they get on their
Speaker 1: feet and then once they're gone, I'll come back. But
Speaker 1: I do travel back and forth between Florida and in
Speaker 1: Bali about every three or four weeks, UM to see
Speaker 1: my little girl, my baby girl back in Florida and
Speaker 1: then come back here and you know, my girl here
Speaker 1: and baby girls here and dogs here. So I got
Speaker 1: two lives on two sides of the world. So I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that video that's on YouTube of
Speaker 1: you from like the early nineties with Jim West training,
Speaker 1: you know, fighting, doing those demonstrations in that bar, and
Speaker 1: it's so funny. You look at the comments there, they're like,
Speaker 1: is that del Comstock And it is hard to believe
Speaker 1: it's you, Like you look like a totally different person.
Speaker 1: At that point. I was a little gangly nerves. I
Speaker 1: was about a pounds UM and Uh, I was there
Speaker 1: with Jim. We still remember the bar, everything, the whole
Speaker 1: scene and everything, and then a remote butler, General Butler,
Speaker 1: he was also UM and a girl named Judy Mayran.
Speaker 1: She at the time she was a captain in the
Speaker 1: Air Force. So it was the four of us and
Speaker 1: we went there and UH and we made that we
Speaker 1: made that series UM, which was kind of cool. As
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, you know, and I still work
Speaker 1: for that company, by the way. In fact, I produced
Speaker 1: quite a few training DVDs through them fight Fast dot
Speaker 1: Com Jim does a lot through them still, I'm sorry, Jim,
Speaker 1: Jim still does a lot through them. Yeah. I've actually
Speaker 1: made quite a few products through them, and uh in fact,
Speaker 1: I've just made another series of DVDs on training canines
Speaker 1: from Supernuts. Um. So that should probably be coming out
Speaker 1: about the next four weeks, four to six weeks. It
Speaker 1: took me almost a year to make it all, um,
Speaker 1: but that's coming out. I've got my bulletproof backpack. Um.
Speaker 1: It's been selling really well for about the love ye
Speaker 1: and I'm coming with a coming up with a new
Speaker 1: version at a new improver. Uh. So I've got you know,
Speaker 1: I've got quite a few potidential These are the types
Speaker 1: of things I'm still working on now. And I do
Speaker 1: that because I want to like making things, and uh,
Speaker 1: I like teaching and moreover, you know, it's a residual income,
Speaker 1: you know. So, um, I have money coming in and
Speaker 1: I don't have to do any more work. I should
Speaker 1: do all the work up front, which you know, it's
Speaker 1: not a bad way to live. It allows me to
Speaker 1: stay here in Bally. Anyways, I dig it, man, And
Speaker 1: if you guys want to follow Dale on Twitter, it's
Speaker 1: at del com Stock Instagram at official American Badass. The
Speaker 1: first book you pet up put out was American Badass
Speaker 1: The Tree Story of a modern day Spartan. That's actually
Speaker 1: how I met Dale when he was out promoting that.
Speaker 1: It's serious. Um, the previous episodes you were on, as
Speaker 1: Jack said, if you want to go back and visit
Speaker 1: Dale's history episodes twenty two and twenty four, which is
Speaker 1: before I was even here, it's like five years ago.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. It's hard to believe. Dale. We're
Speaker 1: now almost an episode four hundred, So twenty two and
Speaker 1: twenty four that's a while back. And like we got
Speaker 1: to have you back on for something just like positive
Speaker 1: going on in your life. Yeah, it's great to have
Speaker 1: you on for this type of thing. But like, don't
Speaker 1: be a stranger. We love having you on, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well thanks for having me on your man. Give me
Speaker 1: an opportunity to kind of give my uh my start
Speaker 1: of a story, because what's really important to me Again,
Speaker 1: I want to emphasize it's you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: people out here thinking that, uh, you know, we're a
Speaker 1: bunch of cowboys, that we didn't know what we're doing. Um,
Speaker 1: that we're out wrecking people's lives. You know, that we're reckless.
Speaker 1: That's not what we did. Um. We were all constant professionals, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and when we did the right and responsible thing,
Speaker 1: and we made sure that you know, we were going
Speaker 1: after legitimate targets and that was it. So um, you know,
Speaker 1: people go all about the money. I can tell you what.
Speaker 1: It's not about the money, because you know I can
Speaker 1: make money doing a lot of other things. Um. Hell,
Speaker 1: then I just say I have a security coming in Asia,
Speaker 1: so you know, it's not all about the money. The
Speaker 1: money just pays for my time. But really it was
Speaker 1: the mission. The mission is to win the war on terrorism. Man,
Speaker 1: that's it. And let's say people's lives. Everybody all comes
Speaker 1: down to for me. And and I can tell you
Speaker 1: that's what the other guys were thinking. They feel the
Speaker 1: same way I do. And by the way, these guys, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know if their names will ever come out,
Speaker 1: although they've given me permission to speak, um, you know
Speaker 1: on their behalf and mension their names. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: they're all consummate professionals. I mean, they're the kind of
Speaker 1: guys that you would expect, you know, in the military
Speaker 1: when you know a special operations team, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: it pulls their weight to take care of each other.
Speaker 1: They'll take a bullet for each other. Um, there's no
Speaker 1: shenanigans except for that one guy that we who have
Speaker 1: already talked about. Um. You know, there's a true brotherhood
Speaker 1: there and to this day there's still that bond between us. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you know, we have one person that really
Speaker 1: disrespected that and uh and you know, and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm here today because you know, I don't appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and I don't appreciate, uh, you know, the drama that
Speaker 1: some of us are going to have to go through.
Speaker 1: And I feel for the other guy in the military.
Speaker 1: UM and who's who knows what's still you know, what's
Speaker 1: still gonna come. But uh, Um, I'm confident that we
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong. UM. So you know that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about it. And then if people want to
Speaker 1: judge as well, you know, go up, go for it.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't when you pay my bills, then
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be concerned about it. Dale, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining us today. There's been fascinating to say the least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be more coming out. You know, I get
Speaker 1: to be the reader's digest so um. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of good things happened to you know, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't always you know, it wasn't just a negative thing. Um,
Speaker 1: there's some really good positive that came out of it.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm sure that, uh, that story will come
Speaker 1: out eventually as well, you know, in more details, so
Speaker 1: we'll see. Appreciate it, man, Like I said, our door
Speaker 1: is always open, so you hit us up anytime. All right,
Speaker 1: thanks again for having me out here. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dale, all right, take care of bye bye, right
Speaker 1: and that on that end, um Man, great, great interview.
Speaker 1: There's a story you don't hear every day. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: And the fact that he gave us that exclusive is excellent.
Speaker 1: And you know it's important to get at least what
Speaker 1: he would say is the true story out there. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure that there's gonna be other guys
Speaker 1: will come out and maybe dispute some of this stuff,
Speaker 1: but this is this is Dales perspective. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: Dales perspective. It's uh from his point of view, and
Speaker 1: I mean I don't say this to undermine anything Dale said.
Speaker 1: It's just that, Um, there are things that probably the
Speaker 1: ground pounders, the shooters like Dale, probably weren't told. Um,
Speaker 1: there were probably and just in a firefight, different people
Speaker 1: see different things from different perspectives. So it will be
Speaker 1: interesting to see. As Dale said, you know, more stuff
Speaker 1: will probably come out about this and it would be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how all that pans out. Um. I
Speaker 1: think Dale is pretty candid though about his role in
Speaker 1: it and what he experienced. UM. I said, Man, that's
Speaker 1: a story you don't hear every day. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: wild wild ship over there. Yeah. I want to recap
Speaker 1: a little bit more, but as always, I do want
Speaker 1: to let you know we have going on here at
Speaker 1: Hurricane Media. Uh. First of all, I want to mention
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Speaker 1: dot com. The SOFTWAREP Radio app is now up if
Speaker 1: you have an iPhone, so check that out. UM. I
Speaker 1: think I know you're an Android guy. I think the
Speaker 1: Android version should be up in the next coming days.
Speaker 1: Softwarep radio dot com is up. We're doing these um
Speaker 1: recordings on video that some of you were watching. Those
Speaker 1: are up on YouTube on the soft rep YouTube channel. UM.
Speaker 1: But like I said, it was it was interesting to
Speaker 1: have Dal on for the first time in ages. I mean,
Speaker 1: we did have him on really briefly um at an
Speaker 1: inside the team room years ago, but it's just been
Speaker 1: way too long. And you know, you don't want someone
Speaker 1: on in these circumstances where they're under high pressure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think it's a high pressure situation. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a reason why in my opinion, you know, Dale
Speaker 1: kept repeating I don't think we did anything wrong because
Speaker 1: I do think he's feeling stressed. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I saw an article it wasn't this morning or was
Speaker 1: it last night, um, and it was written by a
Speaker 1: you know, one of these national defense lawyers, and he's
Speaker 1: saying d O J needs to prosecute all of these
Speaker 1: guys like, holy sh it, you know, and there's there,
Speaker 1: you know, the term war crimes is thrown around and um,
Speaker 1: I cannot you know, speak to you know whether or
Speaker 1: not what happened there was illegal. But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: this much. I mean, you get into some gray areas
Speaker 1: very quickly. And um, I've had conversations with a lawyer
Speaker 1: who specializes in dealing with the eye trs and private
Speaker 1: military companies overseas, and I was asking them questions. I
Speaker 1: was like, so, you know, if someone's to go overseas
Speaker 1: and um, you know, provide training to this or that,
Speaker 1: you know organization or a militia in Syria? Is that
Speaker 1: is that illegal? And the answer, this is the best
Speaker 1: answer he could possibly give, was is long as it
Speaker 1: doesn't violate any norms, you should be okay. Now, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: should be okay. But also what the funk is a norm? Um?
Speaker 1: And I understand what norms are? We talk about that?
Speaker 1: You know in college, you know, when you study political science,
Speaker 1: you know about political norms and social norms and so forthwar,
Speaker 1: But if you get prosecuted, if someone decides to prosecute
Speaker 1: you're being charged in a court of law, not a
Speaker 1: court of norms. And you look at the judge and say, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't violate any norms. He's gonna be fucking care
Speaker 1: that say, we're not talking about norms, are talking about
Speaker 1: the law. So there are a lot of gray areas,
Speaker 1: and um, honestly, it's it's also incumbent on our government
Speaker 1: to be clear about where the lines are and what's
Speaker 1: right and what's wrong and what gets prosecuted what doesn't.
Speaker 1: And as long as you have a guy like Eric
Speaker 1: Prince who's running around the world, um, it seems like
Speaker 1: he does basically whatever the funk he wants and he
Speaker 1: hasn't been prosecuted, DJ hasn't brought any charges against him.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if what they're doing is they're sending
Speaker 1: the messages, okay, that's the new norm. That's what's norm now,
Speaker 1: is that you can go and do that. So of course,
Speaker 1: you know when this guy Abraham go On and Dale
Speaker 1: Comstock are like, well why can't we do this? You
Speaker 1: know everyone else is doing it right, so that then
Speaker 1: it becomes a norm. So and now you have to
Speaker 1: distinguish between a norm versus the law, and if the law,
Speaker 1: if you have a law, but it isn't being enforced,
Speaker 1: then what use is it and what does it really mean?
Speaker 1: So these are all these gray areas that exist, and um,
Speaker 1: it's anything but clear. I'm assuming every guy who is
Speaker 1: on this operation must be just furious with this seal
Speaker 1: right now, because this would have gone completely unreported, would
Speaker 1: have gone completely under the radar if not for this guy. Probably.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, we're we're just and I think
Speaker 1: we commented on this last time that it's just harder
Speaker 1: and harder to hide these types of things when we
Speaker 1: live in a such a technological world where everyone has
Speaker 1: a camera phone in their pocket that's connected to a
Speaker 1: digital network. Um, I mean, maybe it would have come out,
Speaker 1: maybe it wouldn't have, but you know, really the part
Speaker 1: that would chat my ass is that, you know, he
Speaker 1: gave up the names of all the other guys and
Speaker 1: their pictures and everything else. Like that's kind of crossing
Speaker 1: some lines. I mean, it's it's one to give up
Speaker 1: the name of day he did to the journalist, and
Speaker 1: the journalists chose not to publish those names. Uh. Now,
Speaker 1: it's one thing to go to a journalist I suppose,
Speaker 1: or a Hollywood producer and say this is what I did,
Speaker 1: and this is what I experienced. But it's another thing
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I went there and I was also
Speaker 1: with this guy and this guy and this guy and
Speaker 1: this guy and this guy, and here's their here's their pictures.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something totally different. Yeah. Absolutely, But nonetheless
Speaker 1: they must be absolutely furious with him, I would think,
Speaker 1: especially if as Dale was saying that I was being
Speaker 1: done for like fame, Hollywood type of it's such a
Speaker 1: seal thing to do that, that would be the stereotype.
Speaker 1: I guess, um, But but no, and you know what
Speaker 1: I actually I was gonna say, I do um. Encourage
Speaker 1: everybody to read the full BuzzFeed article and then there's
Speaker 1: also the video on there and the drone footage from
Speaker 1: the operation that Dale was talking about where he was
Speaker 1: putting the i E. D On the door. But people
Speaker 1: are wondering, is that Dale? That is Dale? That is Dale?
Speaker 1: That not? That is Dale on the drone footage placing
Speaker 1: the charge on the door. And if you go to
Speaker 1: the BuzzFeed article and you watch that drone footage, the
Speaker 1: guy can run into the door is Dale. So if
Speaker 1: you go to software radio dot com, I know I
Speaker 1: can't attach articles on um, you know all the apps.
Speaker 1: But if you if you read the full article attached
Speaker 1: to this episode at software radio dot com, I will
Speaker 1: link to the BuzzFeed article or you just look up
Speaker 1: the title and should come right up. Which is monarchy
Speaker 1: hired American? A Middle East monarchy hired American ex soldiers
Speaker 1: to kill its political enemies? Could this be the Future
Speaker 1: Awards by A ram Roston? Um? So give it a look.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not we have we have nothing attached
Speaker 1: to this article, but I think it's worth people reading.
Speaker 1: It's very in depth, UM. And you know, after listening
Speaker 1: to that interview, if you haven't read it already, you
Speaker 1: might want to. Yeah, I think Uh. I don't think
Speaker 1: Dale and the author of this article are necessarily disputing, um,
Speaker 1: the facts of what had happened as much as they're
Speaker 1: disputing the context and the morality of it. And I
Speaker 1: would also disagree with the author of the article some
Speaker 1: of the things he says about private military contractors and mercenaries.
Speaker 1: I mean, he blurs a lot of lines and it's
Speaker 1: not a very nuanced argument that he makes. I mean,
Speaker 1: in some senses he conflates um, you know, being a mercenary,
Speaker 1: like and like these guys were with being a private
Speaker 1: security contractor working for the United States government. Say you're
Speaker 1: working for UM, your a ground branch or g R
Speaker 1: s C I a contractor. You were working for the
Speaker 1: US government, and it's it's just not the same thing
Speaker 1: as being a mercenary working for a foreign power in
Speaker 1: a third country conducting direct action operations. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are just I understand like it confuses the public sometimes,
Speaker 1: but there's just a world of difference between these two
Speaker 1: types of contracting. Well, you know, give it a read.
Speaker 1: Hope you guys appreciate UM this episode. Love having Dale on.
Speaker 1: We will definitely have Dale back on leave a review
Speaker 1: for us on Apple Podcasts. As we always mentioned UM.
Speaker 1: And then the last thing I wanted to mention actually
Speaker 1: is we've had on Philibonti from all that remains, And
Speaker 1: yesterday we heard about the death of their guitar player,
Speaker 1: Alie Herbert uh So rush in peace to Ali. And
Speaker 1: I saw Phil posting about an Instagram and and just
Speaker 1: it wasn't even like memorial stuff. He was just like
Speaker 1: fun this day sucks with the picture of his you know,
Speaker 1: longtime guitar player. They were the two founders of the
Speaker 1: band all that remains and we all have having fill
Speaker 1: on here. So it just sucks to hear that news. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then you know what else I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I am no longer going to tease out who the
Speaker 1: next guest is because every time we've done it the
Speaker 1: past few shows, we've been wrong. We're gonna have the
Speaker 1: authors of Like War, which we are going to have
Speaker 1: one of the authors of Like War. Um a week
Speaker 1: I should say, because it might change a week from today.
Speaker 1: You know, we were supposed to have my wife, your wife,
Speaker 1: Benny on, and then we changed that my my wife,
Speaker 1: I mean, Benny is great, but she does come second
Speaker 1: to Dell com Stock in a time like this. This
Speaker 1: is this is breaking. Yeah, this is breaking. And Benny
Speaker 1: was actually kind of happy because she's still jet lagged
Speaker 1: from the coming back from Italy. Yes, she was happy
Speaker 1: to hand it off the dye. Yeah. I think sometime
Speaker 1: either the day of our before the premiere of her film,
Speaker 1: which is no I had the revolution very psyched to
Speaker 1: see it. I hope to be at the premiere. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I also teased out that we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a certain general on I guess I can mention it now.
Speaker 1: I mean General mccrystal's people reached out we thought would
Speaker 1: get General McCrystal on, and it's just like I've been
Speaker 1: going back and forth with them, and he's going to
Speaker 1: be in the city and then they're like, oh, he
Speaker 1: can't do this date maybe a phone or in the future,
Speaker 1: and I gave him a bunch of dates and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't do those. So I don't know, we're not
Speaker 1: important enough that That's what I think is maybe in
Speaker 1: the future. General McCrystal. I mean, i'd love to have
Speaker 1: him on the podcast. They sent out books to us,
Speaker 1: UM and I went back and forth for about a
Speaker 1: month to get him on, so I was kind of
Speaker 1: confident that we would, and you know, sometimes these things
Speaker 1: fall through, so I would I'd be happy to have
Speaker 1: him on. Of course, who wouldn't be. But this was excellent,
Speaker 1: UM and I'm sure we'll have Dale back on his
Speaker 1: Dale said he's working on a new book, so um
Speaker 1: and and his last book was kind of short, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned. Yeah, I mean Dale is a busy, busy
Speaker 1: bee gets into so many things. Yeah, all right, Well,
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