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Speaker 1: the best hair in the network's just confusing to me.
Speaker 1: It's a math guy. Welcome to the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I'm joined in a
Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: What's up, boys? I believe that was a compliment on
Speaker 1: my hair. It was, and then I saw Marks kind
Speaker 1: of reaction and it did bring back some bad memories
Speaker 1: of last Wednesdays. I had nothing to do with that
Speaker 1: hair bit. Just now, I'm not towdy my own hair.
Speaker 1: I think that there when Greg is on television, his
Speaker 1: hair looks pretty good, so I think they're kind of
Speaker 1: not doing any help there. That's on inaccurate. West. I
Speaker 1: can't fight for you on this one. But when I
Speaker 1: was eight years old, I had golden locks. Erica has
Speaker 1: nice hair. She's getting ignored in this so I don't
Speaker 1: know right. Erica is the producer of the show though,
Speaker 1: still has nice hair. Yeah, wait, what, well you don't
Speaker 1: like my hair? Money's no what money is? The four
Speaker 1: of the four of us, Stay in your lane, don't talk,
Speaker 1: Just stay back there, trying to bury you in a
Speaker 1: well and then fart on you, fart on your corpse?
Speaker 1: Whoa fart? You know it? Happy Halloween, everybody who got
Speaker 1: some Halloween music? It is the thirty first. We we
Speaker 1: have six children amongst this west. Only a matter of
Speaker 1: time before you put one in the old oven, the
Speaker 1: old butt in the oven. What are the what Lucan
Speaker 1: Colton being for Halloween? Luke is dressed up his Iron
Speaker 1: Me and Colton is Spider Man and they've been out
Speaker 1: trick or treating like five times at this point. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: there's that a thing's You've already had a weekend event.
Speaker 1: They have an all day school thing. So tonight is
Speaker 1: it being a very truncated scenario? Are so they've been
Speaker 1: using the same coustoms over and over again. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: with that takes away some of the magic of October
Speaker 1: thirty one with different friend groups. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's fresh to the people about your kids. Walker is
Speaker 1: Percy from Thomas. You know the tank engine. Ellis is
Speaker 1: a fairy, some sort of fairy. It's very it's very elaborate.
Speaker 1: We already had two, just like your dad. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: Halloween parades. Uh, this morning it was it was fun,
Speaker 1: very nice parade. What about your offspring. Jack is going
Speaker 1: to be Optimist Prime. He's gonna be Jack the Ripper,
Speaker 1: weird meta thing. No, he's gonna be Optimist Prime from
Speaker 1: the Transformer series. Pretty big into that. And Harrison will
Speaker 1: be Batman. He's very excited about that. Oh I saw
Speaker 1: a preview of that the other night. It's nice. Alright,
Speaker 1: So we got a lot to get into today the
Speaker 1: Wednesday Show. If you didn't see our Tuesday uh podcast,
Speaker 1: Tuesday video show, the Twitter show, check that out. Uh
Speaker 1: you could find it on the top of our Twitter
Speaker 1: handles the link. Also, if you missed out on our
Speaker 1: emergency podcast on Monday, that covered all the Browns madness,
Speaker 1: So catch up if you haven't done so already. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hit the trade deadline winners and losers. Uh? And
Speaker 1: then uh are a t N mid season Awards. That's fun.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: news to hit. So we got a pack show, so
Speaker 1: why don't we get right to it and the deadline
Speaker 1: that we have to get out of this studio by
Speaker 1: we do? What is it? Right? Isn't it noon? I
Speaker 1: think we just covered this that there apparently is no deadline, right?
Speaker 1: That was the conversation. Yeah, where were are you doing that?
Speaker 1: Tuning everyone out? Like this happening more and more. I
Speaker 1: feel like with Greg just tuning us out. It's just
Speaker 1: like white noise is all around him the strength thing.
Speaker 1: Uh in this case maybe not, but we do have time,
Speaker 1: no no, uh, no issues. Let's get to the trade
Speaker 1: deadline winners and losers. All right, Let's see five notable deals, right, yes?
Speaker 1: Or five deals period right on the deadline? Yeah, a
Speaker 1: few last week, but but yeah, five exactly? All right,
Speaker 1: So let's go. Let's go around the horn here. I'll
Speaker 1: start with you, Greg, Um, what who is your big winner?
Speaker 1: And I'm a big winner from trade deadline Tuesday? I'd
Speaker 1: take Carson Wentz and in the Eagles fans because Golden Tate,
Speaker 1: to me, was the most impactful addition that any team made.
Speaker 1: They were so thin that wide receiver. They're not getting
Speaker 1: good production Adam Nelson Aghilar and they never found a
Speaker 1: third receiver. And I think Howie Roseman said it well
Speaker 1: in his press conference that they're going for it. They
Speaker 1: were in their championship window. I see no reason why
Speaker 1: they can't get it going. In the second half of
Speaker 1: the season. Golden Tate was the Lions leading receiver in
Speaker 1: yards and receptions this year. He's a thousand yards ninety
Speaker 1: catches every single season, and it's just gonna make that offense,
Speaker 1: which has not been very explosive, harder to defend. Nelson
Speaker 1: Agol is a little bit of an interesting case to
Speaker 1: me because he seemed to really make the leap last
Speaker 1: year and came on as a difference maker in that offense,
Speaker 1: and he did go extremely quiet when Alshon Jeffrey was out.
Speaker 1: He didn't step up, and he just hasn't had the
Speaker 1: same impact on his offense. That's a fair point. He
Speaker 1: hasn't had a good year and what he's been in
Speaker 1: the league, what three or four years now, and he's
Speaker 1: had one good year, right and he's not gonna lose.
Speaker 1: Snaps will be on the outside more and Tate will
Speaker 1: probably be on the inside. I think it's just gonna
Speaker 1: make their their rotation, especially when they go four receivers
Speaker 1: and you have Art's and got her, it just gives
Speaker 1: them a lot more option. I mean, Colton Tate's one
Speaker 1: of the best slot receivers in football, has been for years.
Speaker 1: Nothing's changed, one of the best free agent signings in
Speaker 1: Lions history. Checked with patra and now he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. I mean, he's one of the better
Speaker 1: free agent signings in the NFL the last decade, thirty
Speaker 1: two years old, exactly for a win now team, which
Speaker 1: the Eagles certainly are. He's a He's a perfect fit
Speaker 1: for them on pace for a hundred receptions yards. Uh, West,
Speaker 1: what do you got Here's a winner? NFC NFC East fever.
Speaker 1: Let's have a Pennant race. Baby. Nice. They're all like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Amari Cooper the Cowboys made that trade,
Speaker 1: the Eagles make the Golden Tate trade. The Redskins answer
Speaker 1: with haha, Clinton Dix. I think the biggest weakness in
Speaker 1: their secondary was probably the safety next to d J.
Speaker 1: Swearringer who's having an all pro type of year. Uh
Speaker 1: Monte Nicholson, so they move him out of the starting lineup.
Speaker 1: Put ha ha Clinton Dixon. There you're five and two
Speaker 1: Redskins are rolling. That's one of the benefits of being
Speaker 1: in a division that's wide open, because if you're in
Speaker 1: the NFC West, you might be thinking, well, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna win the division here with the Rams above us,
Speaker 1: but everyone in the East, and it's a nice surprise
Speaker 1: that the Redskins are at the top of this thing
Speaker 1: right now when I fully counted them out before the year,
Speaker 1: that they're all around and we're gonna go. You always
Speaker 1: get all these NFC East primetime games down the stretch,
Speaker 1: which can be a high annoyance if the team's royal,
Speaker 1: he suck. But instead they're all sort of in the mix,
Speaker 1: and why not as long as we don't get any Giants.
Speaker 1: Well there is there. There is the case of the Giants.
Speaker 1: But you can almost maybe enjoy the massive calamity unfurling there.
Speaker 1: It's unfurling for a few years. Not even fun as
Speaker 1: a calamity though. They're just a boring watch. How about
Speaker 1: a winner from you? Mark Seessler a winner for me
Speaker 1: is anyone uh, any fan or analyst who wants it
Speaker 1: both ways, Because you can look at the Dante Fowler
Speaker 1: move and say, you know what, the Jaguars won that
Speaker 1: deal because they fair enough, they dumped they dumped his salary,
Speaker 1: they got rid of a guy that they're not fully
Speaker 1: on board with, and it's a great move that they
Speaker 1: got something back for Dante Fowler. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: we can say, while the Rams filled this need for
Speaker 1: this edge rusher, and we can look past the fact
Speaker 1: that he was essentially a bust in Jacksonville and say
Speaker 1: this is exactly what Los Angeles needs to go to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So this is that time where we
Speaker 1: can cook it up either way and say, yes, my
Speaker 1: argument is correct. Say it about the teams too, because
Speaker 1: it's one of the you know, Dave Caldwell has made
Speaker 1: a lot of bad picks in the first round, Luke Joco,
Speaker 1: Blake Bordles, Dante Fowler. But if you if you're called
Speaker 1: not so well, yeah, if you if you're they've called well.
Speaker 1: In a Jaguars fan, it's like you gotta be happy
Speaker 1: getting a third and a fifth to make up for
Speaker 1: one of these bad picks. I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: miss Dante Fowler. I don't think he's gonna make that
Speaker 1: big of an impact, but you never know. With Wade Phillips,
Speaker 1: he can cook up. He can cook up sacks. I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Jeremiah who I think it's podcast part
Speaker 1: of the work works on the network. He remembers going through,
Speaker 1: like you know that Sean Merriman's Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Year season and realizing that more than half of his
Speaker 1: sacks were just Wade Philip sacks. That almost any outside
Speaker 1: linebacker could have gotten those sacks in that season. And
Speaker 1: that's what they're hoping at least Dante Fowler can be
Speaker 1: because with all that other talent inside, you would think
Speaker 1: you would get some sometimes where he gets a free
Speaker 1: look at a quarterback. Well, Bridget that send ser did
Speaker 1: not like my well it's a computer that censored censored
Speaker 1: whoa Bridget did not like my trade of Shane Ray
Speaker 1: to the to the Rams. But the Rams they actually
Speaker 1: went out and got the better pass rusher of the two.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to find a great edge rusher at
Speaker 1: this time of year without paying a ton. He's going
Speaker 1: to step in and be their best edge jealous both
Speaker 1: of you just because she's in my garage under my
Speaker 1: lock and key. I wasn't making a judgment. I like,
Speaker 1: I'm into it. Oh okay, good, Yeah. I also what
Speaker 1: I called her, I think scenes appropriate, but based on
Speaker 1: what you're telling us her activities, Bridget, let's Bridget have
Speaker 1: to say Dan is hot and masculingdlissor. I think bridget
Speaker 1: ability to verbalize fresh new ideas is what I like
Speaker 1: about her best. Remember, she was recovered in a dumpster,
Speaker 1: a nineties dumpster was like an old parts collected at
Speaker 1: like an office building that was abandoned, and people just
Speaker 1: happened to come clean it out years after the fact.
Speaker 1: So she's made up of a lot of time. It's
Speaker 1: a real miracle. Anyway, I'll go throughout a loser. You guys,
Speaker 1: the losers for coming after my Bridget joke, um the
Speaker 1: Packers super Bowl chances. You know, I don't understand. I
Speaker 1: don't understand this trade. We talked about it on the
Speaker 1: Twitter Show, and West, I want to hear your side
Speaker 1: of this as well, because you have an opinion in
Speaker 1: the other direction. But ha ha, Clinton Dicks. I looked
Speaker 1: it up and I know pro football focus isn't the
Speaker 1: be all end all, But this guy is a every
Speaker 1: snap type guy in their in their secondary Hacklinton Dicks. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's ranked number five amongst safeties on PFF UH and
Speaker 1: he is a piece of that defense. And you send
Speaker 1: him away, you send him to Washington, UH for a
Speaker 1: draft pick again in the season where we can't everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about the same thing. The Packers better not blow
Speaker 1: this with Aaron Rodgers in a super Bowl window. Then
Speaker 1: they moved time on Grontgomery. And I understand that he
Speaker 1: had been lessened, his his role in the offense has
Speaker 1: been lessening, but that just that just smacked me of
Speaker 1: kind of an overreaction to what happened on Sunday. He
Speaker 1: was probably he was a useful guy. It wasn't long
Speaker 1: ago where they were thinking he was a solution in
Speaker 1: the backfield. Uh. So you dump him for round pick,
Speaker 1: you lose a big piece of your secondary. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you're right in the middle of things
Speaker 1: in the ENDFCY, I don't see how the Packers are
Speaker 1: better on Wednesday than they were on Tuesday. And I
Speaker 1: don't like that. It feels like an overreaction to me.
Speaker 1: Time Montgomery. To me, that's a net game because it
Speaker 1: helps clarify a backfield that needs less time Montgomery in
Speaker 1: it and more Aaron Jones in it. That's good to me. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also depth. I know he may not be the guy,
Speaker 1: but he gives you another option. Injuries happened all the time.
Speaker 1: He's been a solid role player for them. He's not
Speaker 1: It's not a small thing that he came out and
Speaker 1: said I can't trust people in the locker room. Now,
Speaker 1: that's but the more Aaron Jones the better. To me,
Speaker 1: this is a very good thing. Uh ha ha. Clinton
Speaker 1: Dix pff isn't the only one grading players and Packers
Speaker 1: fans will tell you ha ha. Clinton Dix has been
Speaker 1: a liability this year. He has missed too many tackles,
Speaker 1: taking some poor routes um And like I said on
Speaker 1: the Twitter shore yesterday, I think they have a lot
Speaker 1: of intriguing young talent there that is getting healthy and
Speaker 1: is deserving of snaps and they want to take a look. Now.
Speaker 1: If ha ha, Clinton Dix wasn't gonna be a free agent,
Speaker 1: I don't think this trade would have happened. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it's already set in Stone that they're gonna
Speaker 1: have a worse secondary. In fact, I think with JayR
Speaker 1: Alexander healthy, with Josh Jones healthy, with Josh Jackson playing more,
Speaker 1: with Bashad Brelan perhaps playing more, this could be an
Speaker 1: even better secondary than It's a mixed it's a mixed
Speaker 1: message because he literally played every snap of the season
Speaker 1: so far, so the coach has certainly trusted him, and
Speaker 1: I think it was some of his comments where he's
Speaker 1: talked openly about figuring this his time in Green Bay
Speaker 1: is coming up, and they figured they get a pick
Speaker 1: fromm We're talking about a solid starter, not a difference maker.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and there is some There is
Speaker 1: some way to look at it though. If you're Packers
Speaker 1: in that like, you're probably gonna get a compensatory pick
Speaker 1: unless they're a team that gets active in free agency
Speaker 1: for many ways. So he might be like a third
Speaker 1: round compensatory pick. And I think that's part of the
Speaker 1: equation when you're Philadelphia or Washington, if you don't sign
Speaker 1: these guys in free agency, that goes into your compensatory
Speaker 1: pick formula. Now, people like doesn't assume you're gonna get
Speaker 1: those picks. You don't necessarily get them because you might
Speaker 1: be very active in free agency. But either way, that's
Speaker 1: something Philadelphia is absolutely taken into account. And Washington might
Speaker 1: get a great pick for Clinton Dix. They might get
Speaker 1: eight games for him and a pick. It just won't
Speaker 1: be too I thought the compensatory picks works where they
Speaker 1: just give the Ravens about eighteen of them and then
Speaker 1: everyone that's part of it. Ravens get a bunch of
Speaker 1: the Patriots and then there's a formula in your words
Speaker 1: with Clint Dix might not be a difference maker, but
Speaker 1: he's a solid starter. It's good to have solid starters round.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. Here's the prediction. Josh Jones, the
Speaker 1: guy they drafted in the second round last year, the
Speaker 1: guy who's been unhealthy for the first two months of
Speaker 1: the season and looks poised to step into the lineup,
Speaker 1: is the best athlete on their defense. And I predict
Speaker 1: you will be impressed by the way he played and
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the things that gay
Speaker 1: Are Alexander did, who last week looked like the best,
Speaker 1: you know, slot cornerback in the league for one week.
Speaker 1: And Mike McCarthy, I thought was very interesting, said this
Speaker 1: guy can be the best player on our defense period,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty strong statement considering Mike Daniels on
Speaker 1: that defense. He can do a lot of the things
Speaker 1: that Clinton Dix did. Greg, you wrote a Winners and
Speaker 1: Losers did column on NFL dot com. So if you
Speaker 1: want to do a deep dive concept testing it out
Speaker 1: and let me know what you guys think the revolutionary
Speaker 1: piece of writing. But why don't you throw us a loser?
Speaker 1: We got time for two more. Hit us up, Greg,
Speaker 1: you want us to come back, and we've covered well,
Speaker 1: we've covered covered a lot of the topics. I was
Speaker 1: trying to think of, Hey, um Streets talking about this Henley,
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, I think it's great value. West. You
Speaker 1: gotta you got a loser? Yeah the lines, yeah who
Speaker 1: last week went out and traded for Damon Harrison and
Speaker 1: he's under contract for next year. So it's not like
Speaker 1: they were saying, you know, this is only about this year.
Speaker 1: But it looked like they were a team that thought
Speaker 1: they had a chance in that division and then they
Speaker 1: go out and trade their leading receiver. The next week,
Speaker 1: they're behaving like that. Seahawks loss was almost like they
Speaker 1: lost a breakup, like They're sitting on a couch eating
Speaker 1: fruity pebbles at three in the afternoon and their underwear
Speaker 1: right now and they don't really have it. Something thought
Speaker 1: fell in for them. They have T J. Jones. It
Speaker 1: was it was a strange move. They're talking about Brandon Powell,
Speaker 1: who's an undrafted free ag. I wonder if it was
Speaker 1: person not personal, but just like, here's someone that we
Speaker 1: don't mind trading. We're gonna get four years of a
Speaker 1: third round pick, we're not gonna win the super But
Speaker 1: I think Dan's theory that maybe Golden Tate wasn't on
Speaker 1: board with the map Patricia experience. But Area Detroit reporter
Speaker 1: who went after Patricia about this trade, like we have
Speaker 1: some sound here. This did not go well for this
Speaker 1: report of this journal. Why do you think this? Um, well,
Speaker 1: you know, do me a favorite. Just kind of sit
Speaker 1: up and just like you have a little respect from
Speaker 1: the process. Every day you're come and ask me and
Speaker 1: you just kind of like, you know, give me this,
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, just just be a little respectful.
Speaker 1: Just I'm asking just to be a little respectful in
Speaker 1: this whole process. Okay, So ask me a question professionally
Speaker 1: and I'll answer it for you. Oh my god, journal takedown,
Speaker 1: I'm not cold. Wait wait a second, for for posture.
Speaker 1: He buried the guy for posture. I don't know which was.
Speaker 1: I think it sounds like someone that's probably been harping
Speaker 1: on him, kind of probably been on his November almost
Speaker 1: somewhat negative question. I thought. Like the reaction I've seen
Speaker 1: on Twitter though, is it's like, calm down, reporters. Your
Speaker 1: entire job is basically telling someone who has greater expertise
Speaker 1: than you that, like some decisions that you think that
Speaker 1: they could have done better. Here's Patricia just being being upfront,
Speaker 1: saying to his face, you know, be a little more respectful,
Speaker 1: like being an honest person instead of just like talking
Speaker 1: about it or writing about it. It's like, calm down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a somewhat hard question, but that's
Speaker 1: what the big chair, that's you get in the big
Speaker 1: Chang answered the question. I know, but he said it
Speaker 1: was talking about his the way he was sitting as well.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's a good
Speaker 1: practice if he treats every question he gets with reporters
Speaker 1: that way. I know, I know he comes from the
Speaker 1: beltic school. But I mean, they're that's not how you
Speaker 1: want to handle this company. Just use in Detroit, of
Speaker 1: course not. But if this is a guy who's been
Speaker 1: annoying him for a while and he's just kind of
Speaker 1: like sitting there being like all right, how does this
Speaker 1: make the Lions better, It's like fine, I'm totally fine
Speaker 1: with him going at him like a third as hard
Speaker 1: as that guy has probably gone Patricia in the media
Speaker 1: or on some radio show or whatever. You don't know,
Speaker 1: but that comes with the job. That's why you're getting
Speaker 1: paid guaranteed four year contract as a coach to deal
Speaker 1: with that. But I'm fine with that. Like how many
Speaker 1: times have we mocked Mac Patricia for his dress, for
Speaker 1: his like how he looks or whatever. We're doing it
Speaker 1: with fun, but this show or any show we've we
Speaker 1: haven't been to, people were like Bobby he is and
Speaker 1: just like I don't know, it's fine, just be a
Speaker 1: man like Zac. It's fine, like a five. We're not
Speaker 1: like in the Lions newsroom on on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of those like this, it's an
Speaker 1: icebergs blow the surface and we can't see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'd just love to know what was going
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes there. Uh, any more losers, anybody,
Speaker 1: I would go with another winner. We haven't at the
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. That Demerius Thomas trade, that just makes the
Speaker 1: Texans better. I don't think Damarrius Thomas is a huge
Speaker 1: difference maker right now. I think, as West pointed out,
Speaker 1: Golden Tate to me, it was was a much bigger move.
Speaker 1: But it makes them better. They don't have guys who
Speaker 1: can move the chains. Uh, They're you're They're They're counting
Speaker 1: on a rookie slot receiver Kiki q Ta, who is
Speaker 1: injured right now. They are just played well when he's
Speaker 1: played well, but they are thin, so they need an
Speaker 1: outside guy. Thomas helps. It opens up time for Courtland,
Speaker 1: Sutton and Denver. It's a win win all around. They
Speaker 1: are better than they were Friday morning and worse than
Speaker 1: they were Thursday last Thursday afternoon because Will Fuller is
Speaker 1: better than Damarius Thomas right now by far, read and Uh,
Speaker 1: I do like the move because it does keep the
Speaker 1: positive momentum going for them. That was a big setback
Speaker 1: to lose Fuller, but now you're plugging in a former
Speaker 1: pro bowler who might have something to play for, maybe
Speaker 1: a little chip on a shoulder. The way things that
Speaker 1: in Denver, I like that one quick loser. All these
Speaker 1: people like a Demerius Thomas. How many people in Denver
Speaker 1: now have Demerius Thomas jerseys that go back into a
Speaker 1: closet and sit on a hanger until two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty six, unworn again because the guy because players, that's
Speaker 1: a great investment. That guy was on the team for. Like,
Speaker 1: what if you just bought a Monte Nicholson jersey and
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to be on the teams you
Speaker 1: I've shared my theory. I've shared my my theory on
Speaker 1: this that with the jerseys. Do not buy a jersey
Speaker 1: unless it is a stone cold lock. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be Oh nobody should wear jersey because
Speaker 1: you guys are big boys. But what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna buy a jersey, make sure he's a stud,
Speaker 1: a quarterback you're building on st Kwon Barkley somebody Like
Speaker 1: I think you've done well with the Thomas jersey. I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's a it's a treasured piece of clothing that
Speaker 1: now goes deep into the closet like my Mondola jersey. Right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got nine seasons out of Thomas, you
Speaker 1: got ten playoff games. That's almost another season entirely. And Bronco,
Speaker 1: your management has already announced that he's a Ring of Famer.
Speaker 1: Maybe you keep years aware of that whenever that maybe
Speaker 1: that wasn't the best example when you could wear it
Speaker 1: this week as a final send off when he visits
Speaker 1: the Broncos using that one weird move. So maybe these
Speaker 1: guys are winners, not losers. The Damerius Thomas jersey. If
Speaker 1: they got the jersey one time ago, this guy is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest wide receivers in franchise history. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of people that probably got it a
Speaker 1: year ago and thinking that was hideous and here's a
Speaker 1: sneaky losing We were still talking in my mind. I
Speaker 1: just spent the past a minute trying to muster up
Speaker 1: empathy for Monte Nicholson Jersey Bobbies, and there was just nothing.
Speaker 1: Just the Niol's out. Another Lozard Joe Flacco, because Marty
Speaker 1: morning Weeg is already coming up with a lot of
Speaker 1: ways for him to be at why receiver and not
Speaker 1: touch the ball in situations. Now that time Montgomery's on
Speaker 1: the team a wide receiver slash running back. You put
Speaker 1: him out there with Lamar Jackson. It's like, forget it, joke.
Speaker 1: Be some craziness going Flacco Flac. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a bit. I think it's true. Flacco. Blaco got
Speaker 1: another weapon. That's good. He's gonna be on the outside,
Speaker 1: just like watching everyone else do like Rngland brother Laco,
Speaker 1: by the way, is approaching Jay Cutler levels of apathy
Speaker 1: when he lines up on the outside. Nobody will ever
Speaker 1: top Jay Cutler doing it last year in Miami. But
Speaker 1: Flacco has got a chance. He doesn't. He says his
Speaker 1: wife has gotten on him about it. All right, let's
Speaker 1: do some news. Booker get out of a freaking way.
Speaker 1: You know. The ESPN officials backed down and uh perplexiglass
Speaker 1: replaced the big flat screen TV, which is an absurd
Speaker 1: thing in retrospect that they thought that was the solution
Speaker 1: to put an a flat screen on the bookermobile for
Speaker 1: Monday night football. They now remove that plexiglass, so now
Speaker 1: you can look at Booger's giant head, uh instead of
Speaker 1: the giant screen. Yeah. I still don't see a winner
Speaker 1: here in this winner column or loser. Colum, let's start
Speaker 1: with a loser in the news. The losers such a
Speaker 1: strong word, but you know that this is sports, Greg,
Speaker 1: you know, sack up. That's what I'm saying. You're You're
Speaker 1: they're big boys, eat it Lions reporter. You're the loser today. WHOA.
Speaker 1: I hope this guy I don't know who this guy is,
Speaker 1: but I hope he confronts you with the combine and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there with the I'm sure the word
Speaker 1: will get directly to him and he'll he'll like put
Speaker 1: me up on a list that I've been trying to
Speaker 1: find out. I've been trying to find out. You've had
Speaker 1: some guesses. I had one was already disproven. It's not
Speaker 1: a huge group. You could use an insider. We had
Speaker 1: somebody from the Detroit beat on the show that got
Speaker 1: Piste off about something that I said about him. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that was a los long time ago. You're
Speaker 1: not thinking of the Browns reporter that we took the
Speaker 1: task and the Detroit line. We'll figure it out, Okay,
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of un answered questions anyway. The
Speaker 1: Losers Jameis Winston because he is going back to the bench.
Speaker 1: Dirt Cutter announced Monday that Ryan Fitzpatrick returns to the
Speaker 1: starting lineup week nine against the Panthers, and Cutter said,
Speaker 1: it's week to week. It's week to week. His quote,
Speaker 1: it's not my nature to change quarterbacks. Uh Winston seven
Speaker 1: turnovers in the last two weeks. Chris Westling making an
Speaker 1: easy decision? Is it the wrong decision to make it
Speaker 1: a week to week announcement to the press. I feel
Speaker 1: like you got to just ride or die with Fitzy
Speaker 1: at this point, right. I think you're sort of damned
Speaker 1: if you do, damned if you don't. Considering Ryan Fitzpatrick's history,
Speaker 1: are you gonna really give him the rest of the season?
Speaker 1: And if he goes in the tank, what do you do?
Speaker 1: But I would say that in all the years following football,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen a quarterback plane at
Speaker 1: the level of Ryan Fitzpatrick benched. I just don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever seen anybody playing that well sent to the bench.
Speaker 1: Um he has roughly the same number of attempts as
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston and has about four hundred more passing yards.
Speaker 1: That is a sizeable difference, And I think this is
Speaker 1: a move they had to make, and if if Fitzpatrick struggles,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if they go back. It's almost
Speaker 1: like Winston had some sort of break just before overtime
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, because before that, like Winston's only started two games,
Speaker 1: and in those two games, pretty you were no. Right three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at that point though, he had only started two games,
Speaker 1: and at that, you know, for about seven quarters he
Speaker 1: basically it was the Jamis Winston experience. He was racking
Speaker 1: up a lot of yards, his team was scoring points,
Speaker 1: they were in close both close games, leading most of them,
Speaker 1: you know, making mistakes, and then like that overtime was rough.
Speaker 1: I mean, his head, it seemed like his head was spinning.
Speaker 1: He ended up making a game winning throw, but his
Speaker 1: head was spinning. It was a terrible performance. And then
Speaker 1: the next week he comes out and just has a
Speaker 1: kind of a mind far I mean, the whole the
Speaker 1: whole game was those interceptions were so roly. It was
Speaker 1: like it was in his head. It was as if
Speaker 1: he understood that these next few games besides his entire
Speaker 1: future in Tampa Bay, and that some of his teammates
Speaker 1: maybe don't love him, and that he's had this off
Speaker 1: field trouble which goes totally against the leadership that he's
Speaker 1: been trying to do for a franchise, and as if
Speaker 1: all that way is coming down on him and he's
Speaker 1: feeling it and he's playing about this. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that is that's almost what it looks like. And three
Speaker 1: fart references in today's podcast. If you're dirt cutter one thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have you are? You know that you're
Speaker 1: on a nine game you have nine games left in Tampa.
Speaker 1: You're three and four. You're not out of it. That's
Speaker 1: the argument to ride the hot hand. You don't just
Speaker 1: say we're gonna ride with one guy till the end
Speaker 1: because you're doing everything you can and it's it's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but you're hoping that there's some chance that
Speaker 1: you somehow get into wild card contention in the last
Speaker 1: week or two and make an argument for yourself. But
Speaker 1: that's the only move to make. That's why I'm saying
Speaker 1: you don't say we're just sticking with Fitzpatrick now to
Speaker 1: the end. You have to say, if Fitzpatrick has a
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick like meltdown, you go to Winston, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: flip PLoP again, right, and it all has helped distract
Speaker 1: from the fact that they were the worst defense in
Speaker 1: the league last year and probably the worst defense in
Speaker 1: the league this year, two years in a row. And
Speaker 1: I don't think it would. He's the one running the show,
Speaker 1: so to me, he's barring them going eleven and five.
Speaker 1: He's going to be good considering the talent on this offense.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would surprise anyone if he has
Speaker 1: a very good final two months of the season and
Speaker 1: keeps the job. More quarterback news. October will roll into November. No,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. We got a bunch of gets too,
Speaker 1: can people demanded, I mean mostly just surprised you. But
Speaker 1: only about twelve hours left in the month, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Yeahber it's coming in. You have to be tired after
Speaker 1: the after these I don't want to do it. It's
Speaker 1: like the incredible whole where it's like I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to do it. But once my skin starts
Speaker 1: turning green and like my clothes are ripping and I'm
Speaker 1: turning into the monster they saw. That took a few
Speaker 1: days off your life there, brock Osweld will start again.
Speaker 1: For the Dolphins on Sunday against the Jets. H Adam
Speaker 1: Gates said Wednesday the Tannehill Ryan Tannel has already been
Speaker 1: ruled out this week due to a lingering shoulder issue.
Speaker 1: Not a good thing. It's his fourth game missed and
Speaker 1: suffering the injury. The timetable is unknown, Gaye said Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Surgery has not been brought up to me. It's a
Speaker 1: rest type things. Will be the fourth start for Osweiler,
Speaker 1: who's been up and down. Not a total disaster mark,
Speaker 1: but still not a guy that's a solution for a
Speaker 1: team that's trying to hang around in the wild card race.
Speaker 1: I think Adam Gates has done is good of a
Speaker 1: job with Brock Osweiler as you could ask for, and
Speaker 1: he's not been the reason that they've lost in recent weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean the Dolphins, I don't know this, this feels
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, he was up there against the Texans.
Speaker 1: He was terrible the game before. I thought he played well,
Speaker 1: played well the two games before. I also think that
Speaker 1: that he's thrown the ball better than he has but
Speaker 1: that's not hard to do because he was one of
Speaker 1: the worst in the league in past seasons. But what
Speaker 1: do you do You still you're stuck with him, and
Speaker 1: the Tannehill thing, to me feels like this his career
Speaker 1: is over in Miami. He's he turned back into a
Speaker 1: pumpkin at midnight last week. You know that you can
Speaker 1: coach around him, but it's it's not like I think
Speaker 1: if Adam Gates had a great team, he could actually
Speaker 1: coach brock Osweiler up enough that they wouldn't kill him.
Speaker 1: But they don't have a great team. Their defense has
Speaker 1: been terrible the last two weeks, and they're they're still
Speaker 1: trying to figure out a lot at the receiver and
Speaker 1: they have other problems. You have to go They're not
Speaker 1: gonna be too many games this year where defensive past
Speaker 1: card which is as bad as Miami's was on Thursday
Speaker 1: out against the Texas. I mean there was some out
Speaker 1: of defense has been atrocious lately, um and I think
Speaker 1: you probably won't see Tannehill until Thanksgiving. They have the
Speaker 1: Jets this week. He's not playing this week and then
Speaker 1: they only have one more game until they're by They
Speaker 1: have a late by week eleven. So and that's the
Speaker 1: shoulder response. It's right there, there's a there's a chance
Speaker 1: it seems under the undercurrent of this is that he
Speaker 1: might have a serious surgery coming up that you know,
Speaker 1: changes his chances of even getting any sort of contract
Speaker 1: or playing next year. That that at least seems like
Speaker 1: it's possible. That's that's what we're not saying. More grim
Speaker 1: quarterback news. Nathan Peterman is starting in the NFL again.
Speaker 1: A ga't believe this keeps happening. Uh. It was reported
Speaker 1: originally by ESPN's Adam Schefter. Peterman expected to start for
Speaker 1: the Bills week nine, UH against the Bears. The Bears uh,
Speaker 1: Derek anders and back in first place. They went from
Speaker 1: last place to first and by the way, another reason
Speaker 1: and why they should sit another week, because you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about the Bills at all with Derek
Speaker 1: with UH, Nathan Peterman, who just is not a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: Derek Anderson started a concussion laid against the Patriots. So
Speaker 1: the worst quarterback situation and in the league, Greg keeps
Speaker 1: on taking grim turn after grim turn. The worst offense
Speaker 1: UH in since nine seven according to Football Outsiders, What
Speaker 1: was that? What was that previous one? Maybe the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: of that year. I mean, you can not I'm not
Speaker 1: putting you on the spot. You can look it up.
Speaker 1: But did put him on the spot? He did. Apologies. Actually,
Speaker 1: the internet doesn't seem to be working in here today.
Speaker 1: I feel like eighty seven was when Testaverty, Vinny Testaverdy
Speaker 1: was a rookie through like a billion interceptions. It was
Speaker 1: not a good rookie campaign for Vinny t Bills fans
Speaker 1: deserve better. I mean, I know they get a little
Speaker 1: wild here before the game, but this is a depressing
Speaker 1: season to follow your first playoff trip. And absolutely, by
Speaker 1: the way, things are okay though, because Matt Barkley is
Speaker 1: signed with the team as a depth insurance and in
Speaker 1: the and the signing that I've never I've never been
Speaker 1: more convinced, really since Kenny Britt signed with the Browns
Speaker 1: that something will go poorly and will not last than
Speaker 1: Terrell prior signing with the Bills. So you're gonna send
Speaker 1: that dude who all we hear about all the time
Speaker 1: is he can't get along with anyone. He's kind of
Speaker 1: got a bit of an attitude, a diva type. Send
Speaker 1: him to Western New York just as winter approaches on
Speaker 1: the worst team in football with the worst quarterback situation
Speaker 1: in football. Yeah, that's gonna go well. I give it
Speaker 1: four weeks. You know, there's another reason why I won't
Speaker 1: go well, because Terrell Prior is gonna land in Buffalo
Speaker 1: knowing that he's the best quarterback on the roster, maybe
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I think, I think what you're out overlooking though,
Speaker 1: when you like it's some teams, Yeah that makes sense,
Speaker 1: But I think in a locker room led by Lashawn
Speaker 1: McCoy and Calvin Benjamin and Nathan Peterman, I think then
Speaker 1: he falls in line and there's accountability there for sure.
Speaker 1: And Sean McDermott. You know, you know, not since Phil
Speaker 1: Jackson and his heyday has a guy been able to
Speaker 1: get a big time stars to buy into a program
Speaker 1: that's that's part of coaching then the justice So, uh,
Speaker 1: it's so mysterious and he's able to do it. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have made a change at offensive coordinator excuse the
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. They fired uh Awl Alexanderer Bengals after
Speaker 1: a three and four start for the Cowboys. Uh, they
Speaker 1: make that move, and it's a surprising move because uh,
Speaker 1: we're not a surprising move. But a year ago, no
Speaker 1: one would ever expected this. This is an offensive line
Speaker 1: that was humming maybe two years ago, but things have
Speaker 1: not gone as smoothly. A lot of an injury related Greg,
Speaker 1: So maybe this guy is getting banged a little bit.
Speaker 1: But take us through the trenches, Greg. Well, they made
Speaker 1: a surprising move to fire their offensive line coach after
Speaker 1: last year, and so now they're doing it again. I
Speaker 1: guess they have regrets and they've got old Cowboys great
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo leading the charge. Now the Bengals and Cowboys
Speaker 1: essentially traded line coaches, and the Bengals line got a
Speaker 1: lot better, right and the cow his line had been
Speaker 1: great for years. I don't know if it was a
Speaker 1: personal thing and they felt like they needed to make
Speaker 1: changes at the end of last season. Was disappointed, but
Speaker 1: it hasn't worked. Let's move on to some injury news.
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson, the right tackle of the Eagle, suffered an
Speaker 1: MCL spray in Week eight. UH. It will cost him
Speaker 1: several weeks. UH. M c L sprain, MCL sprain. It's
Speaker 1: basically like a small tear, so it's it's an issue
Speaker 1: that's going to keep him on the sideline, but not
Speaker 1: end his season. UH. And UH. Another injury news. Kyle Long,
Speaker 1: who is the you know, great guard for the Bears.
Speaker 1: He suffered a foot injury late in their win against
Speaker 1: the Jets. He's gonna be out six to eight weeks.
Speaker 1: So those are two big hits, uh, two um contenders
Speaker 1: in the NFC's offensive lines. Longs had had a chance
Speaker 1: to be one of the you know, the best offensive
Speaker 1: linemen in the league here for this decade, but injuries
Speaker 1: have really kind of crushed his career over the last
Speaker 1: three years, and you you do wonder if he's ever
Speaker 1: going to be able to stay healthy. They should be
Speaker 1: in decent shape there. They can plug in second round
Speaker 1: pick James Daniels, who has been coming off their bench
Speaker 1: this year. Moving on, we have a one more injury,
Speaker 1: by the way. Marcus Davenport, UH, the first round defensive
Speaker 1: end of the Saints, expect expected to miss about a
Speaker 1: month with a toe injury. Injured in the final play
Speaker 1: of the game against the Vikings. That sucks, that's a
Speaker 1: loss for them. He played great in that game, so
Speaker 1: that that's an issue, UH for the Saints in their depth.
Speaker 1: Davenport on the shelf for a month. Moving on, Dominique
Speaker 1: Rodgers Carimarti, who had a really solid career, UH, landed
Speaker 1: with the Raiders this season, he has announced his retirement.
Speaker 1: Um West, your thoughts about d r C Let's run
Speaker 1: for him? Yeah, I think he saw the writing on
Speaker 1: the wall there that they weren't going to play him
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. I was wondering, what uniform
Speaker 1: do you see him in when I pictured hen retire.
Speaker 1: He played for so many teams, the Eagles, the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the Broncos for a year. I think the
Speaker 1: Broncos just because that was the Super Bowl and he
Speaker 1: announced that there. There was a report at the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that he was going to retire after that year,
Speaker 1: and that was five years ago. I think of the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and that those Kurt Warner teams that really got
Speaker 1: close and Cardinals part of that. I think Cardinals nucleus
Speaker 1: there he had four interceptions returns for touchdowns and three
Speaker 1: years in Arizona. He was a playmaker. He was up
Speaker 1: and down. But after that point where he won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and you know, almost retired, he had a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl appearance and a second team All Pro in
Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen, and so he spread it out because
Speaker 1: he had a Pro Bowl and I think oh nine
Speaker 1: as well. It's very very good career. I don't like
Speaker 1: losing players with these hyphenated long last names like Roger's Cremardi.
Speaker 1: I will always remember typing that in stories and there
Speaker 1: he's gone. I actually like it. Like that. You said
Speaker 1: you didn't like no. I like strange names like that.
Speaker 1: Scantling is a nice addition, so you do like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. I hated it because I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: about dominique, the spelling Roger's is there D in there?
Speaker 1: And then the hyphen Crimarti I had because I knew Antonio,
Speaker 1: but it was always a tricky name for me. It's
Speaker 1: been a great run for the Cromarty family. I mean
Speaker 1: pretty much this center. We're losing the Cromarty. There's a
Speaker 1: chance for more. There's like twenty seven children between the
Speaker 1: chances that one of the Cremarti children Antonio and his
Speaker 1: wife are not in the NFL. It's like nil, we're
Speaker 1: gonna see it. Least Rogers even want to sneaky, annoying
Speaker 1: name because of that D. You never know whether the
Speaker 1: d's in there or not. Killer what's us? Brandon Marshall
Speaker 1: to the end of the road for the veteran wide
Speaker 1: receiver most likely The Seahawks released Marshall on Tuesday. He
Speaker 1: uh he made the Saints fifty three are the Seahawks
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster with a strong summer, and was
Speaker 1: a big part of their rotation or their three wide
Speaker 1: receiver sets early on. But as you might imagine a
Speaker 1: thirty four year old wide receiver who's two or three
Speaker 1: years past his best day, he was not making plays.
Speaker 1: He eventually got unseated, uh by David Moore, and now
Speaker 1: he's on the street and Greg this has to be
Speaker 1: the end. Uh. Brenda Marshall another long, uh winding road
Speaker 1: of a career, but quite productive, so much fun to
Speaker 1: watch early in his career, one of my favorite, just
Speaker 1: kind of those physical receivers. He could do, He could
Speaker 1: do everything. He could have had a hollow I think
Speaker 1: he would have had a pretty decent Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: candidacy if he had a little more luck with the
Speaker 1: teams that he was on, never played a playoff game,
Speaker 1: Like if he had just been on a couple of
Speaker 1: dominant teams. I think, you know, it would help him
Speaker 1: because people just would view him differently. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for him now, but he has a lot has
Speaker 1: great numbers, never could stay in the locker room more
Speaker 1: than a few years. No. I talked with his mom
Speaker 1: for a Mother's Day peace and she told some incredible
Speaker 1: stories about how tough their childhood was. That they would
Speaker 1: have to at times walk six or seven miles to
Speaker 1: go to a store with their mom and she'd be
Speaker 1: so tired on the way back up. With Mike sims Walker,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's think they're cousins. There were
Speaker 1: multiple brothers, and like he just I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the issues he had early on the way that
Speaker 1: he flipped his career around to make light of that
Speaker 1: and help other people. That doesn't happen often. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's tough. I remember every year, just when I was
Speaker 1: at Rhodo World, be like, well, this is the year
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall doesn't get it done because he just had
Speaker 1: hip and back surgery this offseason. He he had more
Speaker 1: surgeries per year and then just would be amazing the
Speaker 1: next year anyways than any player I can think of.
Speaker 1: Remember he was here, that was one of the best
Speaker 1: pieces out with us in this studio. Remember that he
Speaker 1: was one of our best guest and he was great.
Speaker 1: He was a very nice guy. And I give him
Speaker 1: a ton of credit for turning his life around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And um, his last big season was with
Speaker 1: the Jets. Um, Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker are probably
Speaker 1: the best one two combo of wide receivers in my
Speaker 1: years as a Jets. Van Kurbett and Keyshaw back in
Speaker 1: the day were also great. But those guys were beasts
Speaker 1: that season. Brandon Marshall, didn't They set the record for
Speaker 1: most games in which both of them scored a touchdown. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was. It was like it was nine games. It
Speaker 1: broke the Randy Moss Chris Carter record. His consistency was
Speaker 1: incredible at both of them that season. Finally, a little
Speaker 1: London talk. We just wrapped up the London games in
Speaker 1: uh two thousand eighteen. Next year there were three this year.
Speaker 1: It will be four in twenty nineteen, two at Wembley
Speaker 1: Stadium and two at Tottenham Hotspurgs. I would love to
Speaker 1: go see one of these games. Maybe they'll send us
Speaker 1: as there's some percolations behind the scenes about another around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast trip to London, and nothing is set
Speaker 1: in stone. It's gonna happen, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it would happen during these the London Games next year.
Speaker 1: But good for them. And speaking of the Jets, so
Speaker 1: the Daily News reported as a good chance the Jets
Speaker 1: will play in one of those games, which makes sense
Speaker 1: because their owner is the US ambassador to the UK.
Speaker 1: Is that his role? Yeah, he's there. Uh so there
Speaker 1: you go four games and they're serious about this thing.
Speaker 1: Mark your down on it. Privately, you've told me that
Speaker 1: is absolutely opposite from true. That's what's happening in the news.
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Speaker 1: NFL Mid Season Awards. A little early for the timper.
Speaker 1: I was thinking maybe some music to welcomes into the
Speaker 1: into the ward show. There it is. Hey, Greg's still
Speaker 1: recovering from that adread. Aren't you spake me up? Greg's
Speaker 1: not quite with us today. There's something going on behind
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Speaker 1: So what are we gonna do this is, let's bring
Speaker 1: that music back, because that was We're gonna go through
Speaker 1: a bunch of categories. West got a little bouncing a
Speaker 1: step and and we're gonna we're gonna go through it
Speaker 1: and pick what who's who's really stood out so far?
Speaker 1: Who is not? Who is withered? Who who needs to
Speaker 1: sack up? As Greg says so often. So we'll get
Speaker 1: to the first category, and it's you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go through a bunch of categories, but the first category
Speaker 1: is m v P. Alright, but a little twist on it,
Speaker 1: and we're mark, We're gonna throw it to you on
Speaker 1: this one. Who is in the m v P race
Speaker 1: outside of the holy trinity of Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees
Speaker 1: and Todd Gurley? Is there anyone else that is even
Speaker 1: the hunt? Right now? Jared's off Jared Goff? Interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Jared Goff continues to do what he's done in
Speaker 1: the rams, go fifteen and one or sixteen and no,
Speaker 1: he's a quarterback. He doesn't make mistakes, he put ups,
Speaker 1: he puts up big numbers, and so who wouldn't be
Speaker 1: my vote? But you're saying outside of those guys, that
Speaker 1: would be someone who would be your vote period for me. Uh,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is my m v P pick without any
Speaker 1: questions at all. Wow, no questions, not thinking questions from
Speaker 1: the crowd and basically just I have made my decision. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahons is your Offensive Player of the Year. And
Speaker 1: I've I've discussed this a thousand times. They do they
Speaker 1: give one to one, one to the other, just an
Speaker 1: oscar race thing. Just get you just spread out the award.
Speaker 1: Have to coordinate that though you know it's fifty different people,
Speaker 1: the legal stepping if they need to. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: also mid season. I'm a little annoyed about, like after
Speaker 1: week five getting tweets about like, how what do you
Speaker 1: think this you know, did for Todd Gurley's chances in
Speaker 1: the m v P race, Like they the MVP race
Speaker 1: hasn't started, mostly a December thing. At this point, it
Speaker 1: would be shot. You know, Breeze and Mahomes are clearly
Speaker 1: ahead of the pack. I think Curly Curly is right
Speaker 1: there with him. He has the numbers. In my mind,
Speaker 1: He's it's tricky, it's it's almost unfair to throw running backs,
Speaker 1: and with any of those quarterbacks. Alright, Chris west Home
Speaker 1: is playing better than anyone we've ever seen. Just oh,
Speaker 1: come on, stop, all right, So there you go. The
Speaker 1: m v P is clearly Drew Brees and there will
Speaker 1: be no question. That's my opinion. The coach of the Year,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling. Let's got a little tippany drum for this one.
Speaker 1: You know what you gotta do here was vamp If
Speaker 1: you have to, just gotta wait for that Trump the
Speaker 1: coach of the year eight weeks. I mean, you say
Speaker 1: eight weeks. Just it's for the next decade. Sean McVeigh.
Speaker 1: Just keep give it to him every you he's running
Speaker 1: circles around the league. Well, that hasn't worked for Belichick.
Speaker 1: I wonder if sometimes these things are not. It's another reward.
Speaker 1: I don't love where the where it goes. Winner was
Speaker 1: the people though, for writers and everyone to be excited about.
Speaker 1: People love like the overachieving four and three team, like,
Speaker 1: let's give it to Matt Naggy. No, Sean McVeigh, Like
Speaker 1: you're coaching also starts in the off season. In everything
Speaker 1: that you do to prepare your team. There's no one
Speaker 1: better than Sean McVeigh. Is it a Sean verse, Shawn Race,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton feels like he could be in this conversation.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Sean Payton will throw it to the crowd.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. We're in l So that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sun. Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. They don't give
Speaker 1: Coach of the Years to Bill Belichick anywhere, but it's
Speaker 1: early enough that I would put those too. It does
Speaker 1: he really need it? Feels fun. Bill's got seven rings,
Speaker 1: He's got a boat literally called seven rings. I mean,
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year doesn't guarantee you much. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of Coach of the years that got fired pretty
Speaker 1: soon afterwards. Jim Mora, Dick Geron. Well, because it's usually
Speaker 1: these it's these pretty comeback stories. It's not usually the
Speaker 1: best coach. And Pete Carroll is a dark horse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could come up that if you could beat the
Speaker 1: Rams in their second game and make that division a
Speaker 1: little tighter. All of the good coaches are coaching. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what tends to happen. All right, we got another
Speaker 1: one for you. Greg, you're up. Give us a offensive
Speaker 1: Rookie of the year, non s Quon Barkley division. You
Speaker 1: gotta keep Sake Kwan out of the mix. I got
Speaker 1: one for you. Well, this is Greg what you can
Speaker 1: get involved with the conversation. I'll let West answer. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I know where West is going. And m
Speaker 1: guy averaging about six yards per carry for an offense
Speaker 1: that's leading the league at five point three yards per
Speaker 1: carry for the entire backfield. Philip lindsay, Yes, that's that's
Speaker 1: the right answer. You might take him over Barkley at
Speaker 1: this point. The yardage is pretty similar. Right, I couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. I want to, but I couldn't. Barkley is
Speaker 1: too good. You got anybody right, No, those would be
Speaker 1: the guys the quarterbacks have played themselves out of us
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. Ridley would have been in the mixer, all right.
Speaker 1: How about trying to think of a receiver because the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I think Mayfield still would have a chance if he
Speaker 1: can bounce back in the second half of the season.
Speaker 1: I think Mayfield has played way better than the numbers say,
Speaker 1: and then people are acting like he hasn't played well
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. He still looked like the best
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback in the league last two weeks, even when
Speaker 1: people are getting on on the Browns. I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting that the four worst completion percentages in the NFL,
Speaker 1: or the four first round rookie starting quarterbacks, some of
Speaker 1: those guys are dealing with a lot of drops to
Speaker 1: there's definitely growing pains. Mark, here's a category. Will be
Speaker 1: near and dear to your heart. The biggest issue with
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football Award the nominees Joe test It Tour,
Speaker 1: Jason Witten Booger Mobile, and the commercial free Genesis halftime show.
Speaker 1: Mark your answer. I know I am not the only one.
Speaker 1: It is to me, it is Joe Testator. Listen, whoaing upsets.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not very professional and very versatile, and
Speaker 1: you came in with a with a resume that suggested
Speaker 1: this would go well. It is a soup of all
Speaker 1: of them that I find disagreeable. I I am more
Speaker 1: enjoy watching than Monday Night Football on condensed mode, which
Speaker 1: is troubling because it was always something that I loved
Speaker 1: on Monday Night. After you get through that Sunday and
Speaker 1: you get through all the bum rush of news on
Speaker 1: Monday and all the stuff that we have to do,
Speaker 1: you get to sit down and watch this game, and
Speaker 1: I have not enjoyed Monday Night football this season. The
Speaker 1: test taking taking the trophy home it is, but I
Speaker 1: think it would have been a smart Um pick ahead
Speaker 1: of time because you're getting the longer odds and you're
Speaker 1: also getting some real offensive moment throughout the season. I mean,
Speaker 1: we acted like Mason Crosby hitting the field goal was
Speaker 1: like landing on the moon or something. It's the hyperbole.
Speaker 1: Here's here's an upset pick everyone above the three people
Speaker 1: in the booth where the three people involved the executives
Speaker 1: that decided Jeff Triplett was a good higher, Jason Witten
Speaker 1: was a good higher booker. McFarland belongs in the mobile
Speaker 1: the way, way too much production going on, the prepackaged
Speaker 1: stuff involved in that thing. Oh, I like that the winner,
Speaker 1: and it's here's John Gruden because I missed John Gruden
Speaker 1: a lot. Jason Witten, by the way, just pops from
Speaker 1: Champagne because he cannot believe he didn't take on the
Speaker 1: troph here. You like you didn't like John Gruden last year?
Speaker 1: I like about the time. No, no, no, I like
Speaker 1: Gruden as the an announcer. I'd love to study the
Speaker 1: tape on that I feel like you're all over. I
Speaker 1: didn't like him until I saw this. I think the
Speaker 1: contrast is certainly part of it. But Gruden was not
Speaker 1: that was not real. I watched every single Grooden Monday
Speaker 1: in a football game. He was never my big I
Speaker 1: mean Sean McVeigh, I mean Sean McDonagh every Monday night
Speaker 1: has definitely opened up that red bottle of line and
Speaker 1: just kind of watching the world west. The Hot Bot Award.
Speaker 1: We've already lost one head coach to dismissal, of course,
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson on Monday. Who's got the hottest butt amongst
Speaker 1: the remaining coach? Not an award you want to win,
Speaker 1: But who is the winner? I want to say Pat Sherman,
Speaker 1: but off the top of my head is gonna be
Speaker 1: Dirk Cutter, just for how he's handled that quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: We have a commercial break. I mean it's they were
Speaker 1: the finalists when we did the bracket before the season,
Speaker 1: Dirk Cutter and Hugh Jackson. They played each other in
Speaker 1: a game that had a lot of mistakes in it,
Speaker 1: I think from coaching on both sides, and then the
Speaker 1: you know, the loser of that game lost his job.
Speaker 1: I think it probably could have gone the other way
Speaker 1: if if the Browns won that game, and over time,
Speaker 1: that's a good that's good music to play. By the way, Erica,
Speaker 1: if someone started to go on too long and just
Speaker 1: play them off, play them off. All right, here's a
Speaker 1: big one. Greg, You're gonna like this one. The free
Speaker 1: agent bust award, Sam Bradford quarterback Arizona Carter Allan Robinson
Speaker 1: wide receiver, Chicago Bears, Case Keenom quarterback Denver Bronco, Nate
Speaker 1: Solder tackle New York Giants, Malcolm Butler cornerback Tennessee Titans,
Speaker 1: tough competition in the quote unquote winner is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go with Nate Solder. Ate Solder with the win,
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford's getting paid a lot of my not twenty
Speaker 1: million like everyone's saying, because they're saving three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars every week by benching them behind Mike Glenn. And
Speaker 1: how insulting is that you could have seen that coming
Speaker 1: with a little bit with Sam Bradford, whereas Nate Solder
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars a year to protect the ELI manning
Speaker 1: an average to this year below average league tackle. Sorry, Nate,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think take that money though good job.
Speaker 1: I think I'd go Keenham because it means more. Keenum
Speaker 1: though like he's had, like of the eight weeks, he's
Speaker 1: probably been exactly what you expect for four or five
Speaker 1: of them, whereas the others have, you know, Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: especially has been kind of an unmat a game. I
Speaker 1: think Keenam to me is the most mismanaged situation because
Speaker 1: you could have done more if you were l way
Speaker 1: to find one of the young quarterbacks and have some
Speaker 1: future hope and you're right back where you started. Where
Speaker 1: for me with Solder, it's just hard to find a
Speaker 1: left tackle and they did the best they could with
Speaker 1: the options out there, and it's not worked they did,
Speaker 1: but they also could have probably done the same production
Speaker 1: without giving you know, seventy two million dollars. But then
Speaker 1: you're getting filayed if for not getting Nate Solder, it's
Speaker 1: or someone if you go get a know Namer all
Speaker 1: right now, moving on Chris Wesling to the best free
Speaker 1: agent bargain. Here are the nominees. Eric Ebron two years
Speaker 1: fifteen millions and Domkin Sue one year fourteen million. Frank
Speaker 1: Gore running back Dolphins one year one million, rue Brees
Speaker 1: Saints two years fifty million, Adrian Peterson Redskins one year,
Speaker 1: one million, and Gino Smith quarterbacks one year. Veterman mineral
Speaker 1: sixteen people and the winner is Adrian Peterson in the landslide.
Speaker 1: He is the Redskins right now. M you didn't think
Speaker 1: about Gina. I mean, but I would say that Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson is made up for their um. They're so far
Speaker 1: very underwhelming trade for Alex Smith. M hm. Any any
Speaker 1: other thoughts sort of just may and I think that
Speaker 1: when we watched the America's game about the Rams going
Speaker 1: question and afraid to get played off there, that's why
Speaker 1: he was very short and succinct with his words, Oh,
Speaker 1: it'll happen to me. I'm sure I would go. I
Speaker 1: think no domic can sue because they're gonna win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Hm. That is he's been I'm just saying
Speaker 1: in the open fairly paid though, and that's in the
Speaker 1: category alright. We're running out of time. So Gino, by
Speaker 1: the way, you can you can laugh while you want.
Speaker 1: There's one quarterback in the league with I don't think
Speaker 1: that's ever happened on this soon. The Chemist dream too
Speaker 1: to attenion. Alright, anything that can get her out of
Speaker 1: her current depression. I'm I'm all for thanks. UH two
Speaker 1: more awards. This is the Scorpion Award for a new
Speaker 1: UH major network pro gramming that's funny and in an
Speaker 1: unintentional way. And the winner is I feel like I
Speaker 1: know that voice. Twelve celebrities go undercover Grammy winners, Emmy winners,
Speaker 1: and Hall of Fame players in television's biggest guessing game ever.
Speaker 1: This show is messing with my mind. The Masked Singer
Speaker 1: premiers Wednesday, January second. I have a feeling I know
Speaker 1: who you are. Fox, The Masked Singer with the big
Speaker 1: win man that you said unintentional though, they are trying
Speaker 1: to be stupid. I don't know. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: never heard of me. I think there's there's a it's
Speaker 1: a Korean show. You said, there's an element of you're
Speaker 1: trying to be stupid. It doesn't translate exactly. Well. I
Speaker 1: give Fox credit that the one network that is not
Speaker 1: afraid to, you know, just go nuts. Oh, they deserve
Speaker 1: a ton of credit for producing this show. Thank you, Fox.
Speaker 1: Final ward it's it's a Scientist Award. So I don't
Speaker 1: know who wants to grab this one. Well, you're down
Speaker 1: in the lab a lot lately. I've been in the left.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to come up with this award
Speaker 1: if I wasn't. You know, Greg, I'll throw it to
Speaker 1: you on this one, but I want West's input as well.
Speaker 1: And Mark, good to see you over there. I will
Speaker 1: not be saying a word during this the PFF darling.
Speaker 1: This is the uh, the player that maybe is not
Speaker 1: a household name, but according to PFF, should be. Here
Speaker 1: are the nominees. Austin Ekeler running back, Chargers the number
Speaker 1: one ranked running back according to PFF. Robert Woods wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Rams the number five ranked wide receiver. O J. Howard
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers the number one ranked tight end according
Speaker 1: to PFF. Best grade. I don't know if it's number one, right,
Speaker 1: but it's the best grade. Byron Jones cornerback, Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: number one quarterback. And Greg, this one is just for you.
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers, edge rusher, Patriots, number one ranked edge rusher
Speaker 1: in the NFL according to PF. The PF darling is
Speaker 1: you give me a chance to give Trey Flowers an
Speaker 1: award I'm Gonna do It by Byron Jones is a
Speaker 1: great pick because I think that's that's someone who's been
Speaker 1: under the radar, who is playing outstanding. It's good for
Speaker 1: PFF to recognize. I would say Trey Flowers is the
Speaker 1: worst pick possible of those He's even missed games and
Speaker 1: to be the number one edge rusher, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the number one d dresser. I
Speaker 1: think he's playing at a very high level. It's not
Speaker 1: too different from what he normally plays it. I would
Speaker 1: I love I love the way Robert Woods is playing
Speaker 1: this year alright in the final Award, the only around
Speaker 1: the NFL previous guests to be on that list. Robert Woods,
Speaker 1: that bump that dudes he joined us. Howard has been
Speaker 1: great too. I think he's a big reason why that offense.
Speaker 1: He's a stud putting up yards and points. The Final Award,
Speaker 1: it's the granddaddy of them all, and it's got to
Speaker 1: be Mark Sessler deciding it. The Assistant Coach of the
Speaker 1: Year a little timpani and the assistant coach of the
Speaker 1: Year for the midpoint of the season. This is Marks
Speaker 1: Meelhouse coach Wade Phillips what if do is that Wade?
Speaker 1: I hope? So what if he could split this with bones?
Speaker 1: Not to be amazing as a special teams cordiner ever won?
Speaker 1: Is this a real award? Do they give out an
Speaker 1: assistant coach at the end? Yes? He always specials, but
Speaker 1: like reading Peter King's column and seeing the responsibility that
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh gives him like a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of it is what head coaches Scarneckia got some votes
Speaker 1: last year. Didn't but I did see that you got
Speaker 1: so it doesn't have to be a coordinator. I bet
Speaker 1: I wonder if Wade Phillips would be not disappointed but
Speaker 1: thinking that they need to do better than they've done
Speaker 1: because they haven't really improved despite adding a lot of talent.
Speaker 1: They're They're good, good, not great. These awards are not
Speaker 1: not dis awards ship. The way they do this is
Speaker 1: largely hysteria fueled and overall team success fueled and utter hyperbole.
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, and you don't know how much long you're
Speaker 1: gonna get Wade Phillips. He's a perfect winner based on
Speaker 1: all that, and people see the best assistant coaches here?
Speaker 1: Who knows? I think he's pretty good Uh. And that
Speaker 1: brings to a close another awards show. So that was nice.
Speaker 1: It's it's Halloween. Good job everybody with the awards this year. Uh.
Speaker 1: We will be back. Uh, this is frightening. We'll be
Speaker 1: back tomorrow with our preview show. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody's tracking this, but it will be our fifth show
Speaker 1: in five days. You want content, We're giving you content.
Speaker 1: Take the content. One sack up. By the way, Colleen
Speaker 1: Wolf Gonzo were on the latest broadcast. Best episode yet.
Speaker 1: You gotta listen to it. Really excellent episode, Colleen and John.
Speaker 1: It was fun. Excellent episode. Not got my invite yet,
Speaker 1: but that sounds like it's it's gonna go on for years. Gonzene,
Speaker 1: this is Dan Hanson or excuse me damned hands of
Speaker 1: signing off for Dark Sessler, Crypt Westling, Greg Rosenoul and
Speaker 1: Erica tom Posey til Thursday Night.