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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast Kills It at Trivia Night. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan hanss joined in a room filled
Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What
Speaker 1: is a boise? Hey, Dan, that's actually a good point.
Speaker 1: I feel like if we never did this right now,
Speaker 1: it's twenty five cabs locations, what's a good point. If
Speaker 1: we all came together as a foursome and went to
Speaker 1: uh the local trivia night down at the Motor? Is
Speaker 1: that what it's called again? The garage garage and we
Speaker 1: uh only been there, Like we pull the we pull
Speaker 1: the intellect of the four of us, perhaps we would win.
Speaker 1: I think we might. We kind of cover all the
Speaker 1: bases of kind of different basis most places, but not
Speaker 1: the garage. That is a very crowded field of trivia
Speaker 1: minds in that on that trivia night. I've been on
Speaker 1: a couple of teams that came close in that room,
Speaker 1: and yeah, but you didn't. I would not count us
Speaker 1: out as what I'm saying. There's also like five other
Speaker 1: taverns within walking distance that have trivia nights. Those taverns
Speaker 1: we can dominate. That's the that's that's big fish, small
Speaker 1: pond though, Right, we're gonna do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Who's in I'd be It's not a hard sell. I
Speaker 1: think you can't go in with nine or ten drinks
Speaker 1: and you've got to go in, you know, cognizant. We
Speaker 1: need to do that. We need to diversify. I mean
Speaker 1: you asked, Yeah. I mean even when I did have
Speaker 1: all the time in the world, I was not looking
Speaker 1: to spend it at trivia night with a bunch of jamoks.
Speaker 1: All Right, there you go, very on brand, big show
Speaker 1: coming up, and I can't four of us just go
Speaker 1: out and enjoy each other. That seems like more more
Speaker 1: fun to me. Dan is trying to stress the option
Speaker 1: of a group activity. Maybe achieving something together would be
Speaker 1: enjoying each other. That would be fun. Maybe I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: there's only so much time left on earth? How much
Speaker 1: do you want to spend it at trivia and what
Speaker 1: a lot? Let me come on everyone, right, I don't
Speaker 1: want to spend it, you know, at mits Key concerts whatever.
Speaker 1: Exactly true. We all have our own, we all have
Speaker 1: our own. Well I tried. All right, Well, the three
Speaker 1: of us will go. Well, come next to you and
Speaker 1: they'll send a photo and tell you how it went. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's key coming. We'll have fun, guys. Oh do you
Speaker 1: want to jump down? Yeah, she's going with me. He's
Speaker 1: going with me to the Mitsky concert. She's just coming
Speaker 1: back around. All right, big show coming up today. Um.
Speaker 1: Teams Mark hates. In fact, I will, I will, I
Speaker 1: will add a word there. Good teams Mark hates, or
Speaker 1: I could. I couldn't even add a few, which is
Speaker 1: more like teams Mark hates. But we don't understand why
Speaker 1: that's a lot our words. Yeah, but that is because
Speaker 1: you because you hate even more teams. But these are
Speaker 1: the ones that confound us that you hate. I like
Speaker 1: to call it the latest things on Mark's radars. See,
Speaker 1: all these things are right here, Mark, do you agree
Speaker 1: with all these. I think you're getting closer and closer
Speaker 1: with each retitling of the segment. Also, we are going
Speaker 1: to hit the TNF preview. We've had a series of
Speaker 1: dogs um bad games on Thursday Night, but maybe the
Speaker 1: streak ends on Thursday night in Seattle Packers Seahawks to
Speaker 1: too evenly matched teams, and I feel like we're getting good,
Speaker 1: a good one. I feel good about this, Greig. I
Speaker 1: I every time these two teams play in Seattle, it's
Speaker 1: a good one. Alright. For that opener you went to,
Speaker 1: I don't really remember that was a one side of
Speaker 1: blowout of defending champions. But still, you know, too high,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever Aaron Rodgers is in Seattle and the
Speaker 1: crowd's going nuts fun well not according to Mark. We'll
Speaker 1: get to that. We'll get to anything. Also, if we
Speaker 1: have time, we're gonna hit up the mail bag. But
Speaker 1: before we do that, let's start the way we always
Speaker 1: do with some news up here. Take the nikto niktok
Speaker 1: start stop baby niktok dots see senor tremendous work up salofatos.
Speaker 1: All right, that's that's okay. We have the Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football Crew. We would you know we should um clip
Speaker 1: that off. By the way, attitude in the running for
Speaker 1: top calls of the year. It's a great idea. Dawn
Speaker 1: the Spanish broadcast calling Nick Chubbs ninety two yard new
Speaker 1: yard touchdown, longest play at the from scrimmage all year
Speaker 1: by any team. Can we get that broadcast on Monday
Speaker 1: night football? I think it's impossible. Tell the mundo. I
Speaker 1: think you have to move to another area of the world.
Speaker 1: It might be worth it. All right, let's start with
Speaker 1: all right, so Nick Chubb running back on the rise,
Speaker 1: running back completely out of play for this year and
Speaker 1: we won't see him again until twenty nineteen. Is Levan Bell?
Speaker 1: Because the months long saga around whether Bell will report
Speaker 1: to the Steelers is no more. The deadline on Tuesday
Speaker 1: came and went. He did not sign his franchise tender. Uh,
Speaker 1: which means he foregoes the full fourteen point four or
Speaker 1: five million. And I like, this is a new row.
Speaker 1: This has been an annoyingly reported um story all along,
Speaker 1: and the most recent one was and two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in benefits. All right, Well we got you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen four or five million. That's enough. That's fine. Just
Speaker 1: tell us that eight quarters falling out of his pocket exactly. Uh.
Speaker 1: So he he kicks that money. Uh, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: he has his reasons and he's deciding, don't touch me.
Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert. Uh, the GM of the Steelers issued a
Speaker 1: statement I to confirm that Leve Bell did not sign
Speaker 1: his franchise tender today and as a result, he won't
Speaker 1: play this season. Uh. The Steelers greg still have some
Speaker 1: semblance of leverage when it comes to player. It's not
Speaker 1: like this totally uh cuts ties between the two sides.
Speaker 1: But this has to be the end, right. It sure
Speaker 1: sounds like the Steelers are happy to let him go
Speaker 1: and test the free agent market without making any real effort,
Speaker 1: even though that there's some talk that the relationship is
Speaker 1: fine and who knows, they might even make some sort
Speaker 1: of offer like they did going into this season, which
Speaker 1: which was aggressive. They did not seem to want Bell
Speaker 1: to show up this season, and at least by the
Speaker 1: time they got to mid October, this was the result
Speaker 1: they were hoping for, which is amazing to think about
Speaker 1: when you think that Bell is you know, averaged over
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards from scrimmage over the last two years. Well,
Speaker 1: I know finger wagging football. Twitter has decided nobody's allowed
Speaker 1: to have an opinion on Levy on Bill's actions, but
Speaker 1: this seems like one of the most feudal holdouts I've
Speaker 1: seen in sports. He claims to be doing it to
Speaker 1: help other non quarterbacks. I don't see how it helps anyone,
Speaker 1: including Levan Bell. On the other hand, I understand it's
Speaker 1: important to have principles, taking a stand on things that
Speaker 1: are more important than money. I've done that in my life,
Speaker 1: so I totally get it. Go follow your own path.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with him doing what he wants. What what
Speaker 1: when the story turns tedious because it's been going on forever.
Speaker 1: At this point is when you're getting bullied by sportswriters
Speaker 1: on Twitter too. Don't don't have anything to say about
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to. This is his business. But from
Speaker 1: a football standpoint, I know there's gonna be two or
Speaker 1: three teams. I don't think it's gonna be six to
Speaker 1: eight or ten. It's I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: handful of teams that are going to be willing to
Speaker 1: potentially give Levy on bella massive contract. The Jets have
Speaker 1: been talked about as one of these teams. I don't
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, all these guys that are drafted
Speaker 1: and give you a low cost James Conner option, a
Speaker 1: very successful option running back. Do you really want to
Speaker 1: go pay Levan Bell this massive amount of money that
Speaker 1: he's demanded. You can make You can make the case
Speaker 1: that the holdout achieved the exact opposite, because all did
Speaker 1: was show that the Steelers were probably right not to
Speaker 1: give this guy Uh entering his late twenties a huge
Speaker 1: contract when you could always look inside in house, find
Speaker 1: the young guy the chief that can give you the
Speaker 1: same production. Greg. You can say that this is the
Speaker 1: opposite of what leve Bell was trying to do. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I go, If I go that far,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's happy. He wouldn't have looked to
Speaker 1: be out for the season to begin with. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: James Conner doing well. Heard that last year he did
Speaker 1: say he was not playing under the tag and he's
Speaker 1: not going to play in the season if it's under
Speaker 1: the tech, and so he's stuck with that. I still
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get paid well. I still think it's
Speaker 1: not a disastrous move in his career, and he has
Speaker 1: a long time moving forward, and I do think he's
Speaker 1: still a really special player who deserves a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And people don't need to be so dogmatic about this
Speaker 1: position deserves money and this position doesn't. It's like Trumaine
Speaker 1: Johnson was the most paid player in free agency what
Speaker 1: a matter of the franchise tag. Partly, yeah, because it
Speaker 1: raised what do you mean he was? He got paid
Speaker 1: because of the franchise tag, but he was two years
Speaker 1: in a row. He was an unrestricted free agent, and
Speaker 1: the Jets decided to pay him a huge amount of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money because after he had gotten more than he
Speaker 1: would would have gotten on the open market from the
Speaker 1: franchise tag. I guess, but that shouldn't really if anything,
Speaker 1: that makes levy on Bells you know, floor even higher
Speaker 1: for him because he's just gotten paid a lot under
Speaker 1: these two franchises. Someone's gonna pay him. I just saying
Speaker 1: from a team building perspective, I trust the Steelers because
Speaker 1: the Steelers have been one of the best team building
Speaker 1: operaations around. And if they decide not to pay levy
Speaker 1: on bell this huge contract they did, I mean they
Speaker 1: him a long term deal, right. Todd Gurley got paid
Speaker 1: David Johnson got paid. Levy and Bell will too. Great
Speaker 1: players should get paid, and he's a great player, and
Speaker 1: a lot of players that aren't great in the NFL,
Speaker 1: like Nate Soldier, get paid. So okay, you can tell
Speaker 1: me that you would have got paid. Hattie accepted the
Speaker 1: Steelers all right, exactly, and any will in the end.
Speaker 1: My point is, yes, everyone's saying, don't you know, there's
Speaker 1: some finger waggon you can't have an opinion, But there's
Speaker 1: just as many people kind of on the other side
Speaker 1: that's just saying it's such a stupid thing, what a
Speaker 1: horrible mistake he made, like or that we won't know
Speaker 1: if it's a good idea or not until we see
Speaker 1: the contract. And I don't really see it that way.
Speaker 1: I think he made the decision that he thought was
Speaker 1: right for him. It's not just about money, because if
Speaker 1: it's if you're just waiting to see if he's going
Speaker 1: to get a better contract and whether that makes up
Speaker 1: the money, that's not really the way he's looking at it.
Speaker 1: And I agree with Mark that I think from the
Speaker 1: Steelers side, I have no problem and it makes sense
Speaker 1: everything that did it. It's almost something where I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone made a crazy mistake. It just was a
Speaker 1: confluence of a lot of different part So that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. I wonder, and there's no way to know this,
Speaker 1: but I wonder if Inten, twenty years late on Billboard
Speaker 1: will get giving up almost fifteen million dollars in the
Speaker 1: prime of his athletic life to play football. But I'm
Speaker 1: not judging him. I'm just wondering if when he looks
Speaker 1: back a lot of money, well he regretted it wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna make him underpaid and to take that money, it
Speaker 1: was gonna make him the highest paid running back in
Speaker 1: the NFL for two straight years. The the career that
Speaker 1: he's had in the in the toll that he's taken,
Speaker 1: like taking a year off from getting slammed, you know,
Speaker 1: from other defenders. I don't know. No one knows what
Speaker 1: effect that's gonna have. Whether he thinks that's a positive
Speaker 1: in the end, to take a year off of your career,
Speaker 1: like if any could be a negative, could be a
Speaker 1: positive to take a year off in the middle of
Speaker 1: his career. But I don't know. I do like though
Speaker 1: that in all these situations, we always assumed the player
Speaker 1: is going to come back, and this is one time
Speaker 1: where it's like, I guess there is another outcome, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we we always just assumed, well,
Speaker 1: this is gonna eventually end. And another when's the next
Speaker 1: time someone's gonna give up that much effing money. That's
Speaker 1: it's just amazing that it came to this. I'm old
Speaker 1: enough to remember Sean Gilbert doing it for about what
Speaker 1: two or three right, that traded for two number one
Speaker 1: draft picks. That's a time and he'll get paid. Maybe
Speaker 1: there won't be a ton of teams like the Jets
Speaker 1: as an exempt there they'll back up the brinkstruck for left.
Speaker 1: The Jets are for what it's worth, the betting favorite. Well,
Speaker 1: let's find out the general manager. It's not worth the march,
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Jets are the betting All this talk
Speaker 1: like he won't be accepted into locker rooms and teammates men,
Speaker 1: I mean, and Vincent Jackson went to the Buccaneers and
Speaker 1: was held up as like one of the best community
Speaker 1: players they ever had after he had done that in
Speaker 1: San Diego. And the thing I think just that has
Speaker 1: been lost. I know he's a running back, but he's
Speaker 1: a guy that Chris talked about and we all talked
Speaker 1: about in this podcast. Was unlike any running back we've
Speaker 1: we've practically ever seen, and he was one of the
Speaker 1: best running backs I think that we've seen in the
Speaker 1: last two decades. So it's like that, and he had
Speaker 1: a great Steeler's career. He sure did. Moving on big change,
Speaker 1: the NFL is taking great efforts to expand the sport
Speaker 1: beyond the United States UH, and one of their showcase
Speaker 1: games this year, in addition to the London series, was
Speaker 1: their UH game slay It for Monday night in Mexico
Speaker 1: City at a Stadios Teca. It's not happening because the
Speaker 1: chiefs and rams um over issues of the quality of
Speaker 1: the field and whether or not it was playable. It
Speaker 1: had been beaten up bad weather. A Shakira concert, which
Speaker 1: I don't know if I, UH, would I go see Shakira?
Speaker 1: Maybe she seems like she put on a good show.
Speaker 1: I'd go. Beautiful up, beautiful woman and talented, talented. First, Greig,
Speaker 1: why do we need why do you need to not
Speaker 1: only aware of one of her songs? That's not true,
Speaker 1: but we don't have time for that right now. You know,
Speaker 1: at least three Shakira songs. I bet that's not got
Speaker 1: the one with don't Lie. The league announced Tuesday that
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and Ramps to nine and one teams a
Speaker 1: potential a Super Bowl preview, we'll be playing at the
Speaker 1: l A Calcium this upcoming Monday because of the issue
Speaker 1: with the playing surface. Uh this. Mike Garifolo of NFL
Speaker 1: Network reported earlier Tuesday that the league was monitoring the situation.
Speaker 1: We had some players or we had some reporting that
Speaker 1: bubbling up about players saying they might sit out of
Speaker 1: the game, and that probably feels like a tipping point.
Speaker 1: Once the players were putting it out there that their
Speaker 1: safety was in danger, it kind of in some ways
Speaker 1: potentially forced the NFL's hand. So the game now goes
Speaker 1: from Mexico City to l A. The one thing in
Speaker 1: the in the NFL never gets credit for things, but
Speaker 1: I think they did the right thing that getting it
Speaker 1: out of Mexico City if their field wasn't good as
Speaker 1: big of a pain in the s that is for
Speaker 1: our poor friend Handsome Hank and everyone else to put
Speaker 1: in months of planning for this. Also, they smartly kept
Speaker 1: the l A Calcium vacant for this week in the
Speaker 1: in the event that this could something could happen, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly how it played out. I mean, with all
Speaker 1: the London games to that stadium has to be available
Speaker 1: if if needed, and it came in handy here. You
Speaker 1: just you just think about in either such different events,
Speaker 1: but just think about what an insane couple of weeks
Speaker 1: this is for the RA organization. You know, more than
Speaker 1: twenty players were evacuated out of their house they don't
Speaker 1: really have a home. A lot of the and even
Speaker 1: more of the support staff. You know, we know that
Speaker 1: the PR director was evacuated from two different two different places,
Speaker 1: this house than than the next place. He went to
Speaker 1: a hotel with their family. One of the reasons, uh,
Speaker 1: when they went to Colorado this week, that was to
Speaker 1: prepare for the Mexico game at altitude. So the entire
Speaker 1: RAMS organization is in Colorado this week preparing it altitude,
Speaker 1: when now their game is actually in Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: they took another plane of family members and support staff
Speaker 1: with them to Colorado because so many of them are
Speaker 1: outside of their home. And it's not that you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people suffering because of these wildfires
Speaker 1: and everything in Los Angeles, but it's just like a
Speaker 1: wild like couple of strange weeks for an NFL team
Speaker 1: to go through, or just not that they're not that
Speaker 1: their struggles are somehow comparable, but just it's a strange
Speaker 1: thing because there's nothing more logistically complicated than suddenly they're
Speaker 1: moving this home game to Los Angeles and it's just
Speaker 1: a it's a cluster. Yeah. As you mentioned on our
Speaker 1: Twitter show yesterday, this is the last thing the NFL
Speaker 1: wanted years go into planning something like this. It's the
Speaker 1: showcase game of the season, one of the best regular
Speaker 1: season games we've had in years. This is the last
Speaker 1: thing they wanted. And kudos to the NFL for putting
Speaker 1: player safety ahead of anything else. The one thing I
Speaker 1: mean to have this game at a neutral site gave
Speaker 1: it more of almost of a super Bowl field because
Speaker 1: you would have had a real mixed crowd, and this
Speaker 1: this completely changes that. It's an obvious competitive advantage for
Speaker 1: the Rams to play back at home. I do like
Speaker 1: that the Rams are giving a major amount of tickets
Speaker 1: to first responders from all those fires, and they're using them.
Speaker 1: They're not using this as some sort of cash grab.
Speaker 1: They're using it the right way. Good for them, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. Uh and good for Greg who owes me
Speaker 1: a sandwich off of this. Let's talk about that. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about that, um, Mark, you said that you're you're
Speaker 1: prop paid off here. I would. So this is from
Speaker 1: the preseason. Why don't we do someone who have what
Speaker 1: the thing was? Whether is is listed right, I'll do.
Speaker 1: I'll do you one better because I really do believe
Speaker 1: this is going to happen. There's a lot of issues
Speaker 1: in the States. Um. Some of them are natural, some
Speaker 1: of them are man made. We will find out at
Speaker 1: least one NFL game will be relocated to another city
Speaker 1: this season. This has happened before one. Okay, due to
Speaker 1: either inclement weather and that doesn't mean a light shower,
Speaker 1: that means something large, UM, a natural disaster type issue,
Speaker 1: also large or massive civic unrest. Okay, so I got
Speaker 1: way too specific there, but I will say that this
Speaker 1: statement from NFL Executive VP of International Affairs Mark until
Speaker 1: very recently, we had no major concerns, but the combination
Speaker 1: of a difficult rainy season and a heavy multi event
Speaker 1: calendar of events at this stadium have resulted in significant
Speaker 1: damage to the field that presents unnecessary risk to player safety.
Speaker 1: Rain is a major reason this field got junked up
Speaker 1: the way it did. It is a major reason they
Speaker 1: had no concerns at all until a significant rainy season.
Speaker 1: A weather event altered the conditions of the field. I mean,
Speaker 1: but Shakira altered it more. You said this can't just
Speaker 1: be right. You literally said, this can't just be like
Speaker 1: regular old rain. This needs to be a major weather event.
Speaker 1: And I was to the very beginning again, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is going to happen. There's a lot of issues in
Speaker 1: the states. Um, some of them in the States. Al Right,
Speaker 1: have your way. I don't care in the States. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. You know, it's just like
Speaker 1: it's it is not going to get past this crowd anyways.
Speaker 1: So I don't like a small town sheriff about this.
Speaker 1: I think you nailed the spirit of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I'm fine not getting it. Think he got it right.
Speaker 1: I mean, think I'm I'm tempting. I'm leaning towards just
Speaker 1: letting Mark have the sandwich. You know what. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna do a bunch of props from here on out
Speaker 1: about guaranteed money player acts, only more guaranteed. But here's
Speaker 1: the mother. Here's the thing. You said, it's gonna be weather,
Speaker 1: natural disaster, massive unrest. There's no way that That's not
Speaker 1: why it's a movie. It's because they didn't take care
Speaker 1: of the stadium at it. But it was mostly because
Speaker 1: Shakira and they combined. They didn't they they didn't say
Speaker 1: it's mostly because they had a ton of soccer soccer
Speaker 1: events and all this other Mexico city is not in
Speaker 1: the United States. Those two things. I will not take
Speaker 1: the sandwich, but I find it absurd. But we don't
Speaker 1: really even at this point, we haven't exchange sandwiches. It
Speaker 1: is highly absurressing. Let's move on. We Mark, maybe we
Speaker 1: could talk about this more. I would rather not. All right,
Speaker 1: the bills say goodbye to Terrell prior. I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose Mark for the rest of the episode. Now
Speaker 1: you can have the sandwich. I don't want it a
Speaker 1: sense to take it at this point because it's just
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. If we can have you back,
Speaker 1: we'll give you this. This is my job. I have
Speaker 1: to get the baker. You got the baker when you
Speaker 1: got this. I am just going to essentially the props
Speaker 1: so hardcore from here on they're gonna be so vague
Speaker 1: and so soft. You bend the language to whatever you
Speaker 1: wanted to be, you'll win every prop. So, congratulations, I
Speaker 1: have a new strategy. Now let's move on. The Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills on Tuesday waved wide receiver to we're all Prior
Speaker 1: after just two weeks with the team. Prior's twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Now this could be we're getting near the end of
Speaker 1: the road. Now, for this guy played two games of
Speaker 1: the Bills after signing a one year deal. I barely
Speaker 1: I forgot he was on the team. He the Bills
Speaker 1: destroyed my team, and I didn't remember seeing him on
Speaker 1: the field in a game in which the Bills went
Speaker 1: off on offense. So that tells you a lot. And uh,
Speaker 1: he played starter snaps. That's it. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: I mean because it doesn't even make an impact. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I will say this about Tarrell Prior
Speaker 1: and Mark. You saw it in Cleveland the Redskins. He
Speaker 1: was never healthy, but he was able to gain some
Speaker 1: separation in his time with the Jets. He had some
Speaker 1: touchdowns at the Jets. He can play, So once again,
Speaker 1: there's something missing here. Why was he jettisoned almost immediately
Speaker 1: when the guy can play a little bit. Well, this
Speaker 1: is overdue. But we used to have a segment I
Speaker 1: think Mark inspired, where we would shoot news makers in
Speaker 1: a out of a cannon off the show permanently. It's
Speaker 1: a time. It's this is enough for terrelle prior why
Speaker 1: are we it's going over this? Goodbye Terrell. But as
Speaker 1: I said off to Terrell, I will say that, Um,
Speaker 1: you know I had in the theory that he comes
Speaker 1: in and cleans up locker rooms. I did because I
Speaker 1: was radar. It was on my radar. Well, what happened
Speaker 1: there last game before he got cut? They stomped on
Speaker 1: his former team. I got the locker room audio of
Speaker 1: right after he was signed. What happened in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to this, all right. People who really want
Speaker 1: to have a good time won't come to a slaughterhouse.
Speaker 1: And we've got entirely too many troublemakers here, too many
Speaker 1: a forty year old adolescens, felons, power drinkers, and trustees
Speaker 1: of modern chemistry. He's going to change it sounds like
Speaker 1: our London trip. So there is he cleans up another
Speaker 1: locker room. I mean he's put his fingerprints all over
Speaker 1: two of the worst teams in the n FC. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's job accompanied I need to see roadhouse. You have
Speaker 1: to see roadhouse. I think you would appreciate it. I
Speaker 1: actually think you would. Uh. He came in there, he
Speaker 1: told the Bills get your act together. After team he's
Speaker 1: half on the road. He's in his Mercedes. He's driving
Speaker 1: to the next slaughterhouse. He galvanized the troops. Were they
Speaker 1: using him for Jet specific information, because that would explain
Speaker 1: a very surprising rump. That's that's potential. Although judging off
Speaker 1: what we're hearing about Rrel prior, was he paying attention
Speaker 1: when he was on the Jets? Are Uh? Let's move on.
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns are coming off their best win of
Speaker 1: the season. However, they're doing it with an interim coach uh,
Speaker 1: Greg Williams UH and John Dorsey the general manager. His
Speaker 1: job is to figure out who is the next guy
Speaker 1: who is going to be in a full capacity. UH.
Speaker 1: To take this as you will, but he is keeping
Speaker 1: Greg Williams in mind, at least publicly, he said. When
Speaker 1: asked if the list includes Greg Williams, Uh, Dorsey responded,
Speaker 1: I think he deserves that, and UM, there's not too
Speaker 1: much to make of that, but it does get back
Speaker 1: to what a huge decision mark this is coming up
Speaker 1: for the Browns, but just don't hire Greg Williams. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd be kind of shocked if the answer was anything
Speaker 1: other than a very keep the piece. Yes, he'll get
Speaker 1: an interview, because every interim coach, for the most part,
Speaker 1: is thrown into the interview cycle and then usual almost
Speaker 1: always quickly. Ever been an interim coach who didn't get
Speaker 1: an interview right right, and I and I listen, I
Speaker 1: don't think Jovi has ever Well, that was that was
Speaker 1: a different type of it had a couple of different interims,
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, j Dan Campbell, Cambell. They did give him
Speaker 1: an interview. Campbell got pop. Greg Williams will never be
Speaker 1: the head coach of this team. But I I do
Speaker 1: think that the one thing I've heard a few times
Speaker 1: that their practices when when Hugh Jackson went to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and it was described to some of the
Speaker 1: worst practices the Senior Bowls ever had, that they were
Speaker 1: disorganized in a big mess, which was a red flag
Speaker 1: to me. They have talked about and I don't even
Speaker 1: know what does this even mean, we don't even know
Speaker 1: on the outside, but their practices have been much more
Speaker 1: organized and much more focused, and the players have and
Speaker 1: gotten more out of them. So it's just to go
Speaker 1: to from here to the end of the year. I'd
Speaker 1: rather have that than what was going on before. Finally,
Speaker 1: in the news, UM, Joe Flacco has a hip injury
Speaker 1: that seems troublesome. UH. It seems like something that could
Speaker 1: shelve the quarterback for an extended amount of time. He's
Speaker 1: not practicing to start the week, and it seems like
Speaker 1: a possibility that he's gonna miss time, maybe extended time.
Speaker 1: This injury is that at the end of the Joe
Speaker 1: flacar on Baltimore, we shall see Robert Griffin, the third
Speaker 1: who has really been a off the radar UH in
Speaker 1: the NFL for a couple of years. Now. There's a
Speaker 1: chance he even starts greg the next UH in the
Speaker 1: next week or so, or even on Sunday. That is
Speaker 1: very much a play. And Lamar Jackson was you know,
Speaker 1: when this story first popped up during the Ravens bye week,
Speaker 1: the thought was immediately, Okay, it's it's time to fly
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson. We're gonna see what happens. But The
Speaker 1: Athletic reported on on Wednesday that the Ravens have been
Speaker 1: mentioning r G three as as a possible starter, and
Speaker 1: so we don't know if they're just trying to keep
Speaker 1: it vague so that you know their opponents can't prepare.
Speaker 1: But when this flack Old story first popped up, I
Speaker 1: gotta admit my my antenna was up. It just seemed
Speaker 1: a little it seemed a little strange and convenient that
Speaker 1: suddenly Flacco has this injury that came out of nowhere
Speaker 1: right during the bye week. I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: something that's going on. Something what's going on is I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. Is he's injured, and their
Speaker 1: coach says, if he can play, he's gonna be out
Speaker 1: there normally. If you're normally, if you're just trying to
Speaker 1: push push him away, you're not gonna say now if
Speaker 1: he's capable of planing in is it's something that he's
Speaker 1: been playing through. And they're just like, look, Joe, you
Speaker 1: need to get this, you need to get this ready,
Speaker 1: You need to get this right before you play again,
Speaker 1: because you're playing through it and and it's not helping us.
Speaker 1: And in mind, hey week, right, and in their mind
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we have our bye week, gra at
Speaker 1: four and five, this is our last stand. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the thing to get r G three
Speaker 1: in there. Well, here's my other thing. I thought you
Speaker 1: were going in a different direction. My antenna raised a
Speaker 1: little bit because I was like, why wouldn't the obvious move,
Speaker 1: uh be to put in the number one pick? And
Speaker 1: I think the same reason at the end of the
Speaker 1: preseason when they came out publicly and said, if something
Speaker 1: happens to Flacco, it will be RG three under center,
Speaker 1: not Lamar jacks Well, I don't necessarily buy that r
Speaker 1: G three is this would be the starter Sunday. I
Speaker 1: first of all, I would kind of expect they would
Speaker 1: both be out there if r G three played, and
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't know right now. It's it's competing reporting.
Speaker 1: If I would just say, you, rookie quarterbacks playing all
Speaker 1: over the league, that's why, what's why not put Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson in there here in late November and give him
Speaker 1: a shot. He's had plenty of weeks of practice in preparations.
Speaker 1: You're trying for a playoff run, right, If he's not
Speaker 1: ready to run the offense, which is a lot different
Speaker 1: than taking a trick play every so I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say his last time we saw RG three
Speaker 1: play a major role on the team, he was nothing special.
Speaker 1: It's not like they somebody saw both of these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: playing in the preseason. R G three was much better
Speaker 1: than Lamar Jackson, who didn't look like he could run
Speaker 1: the Ravens offense. It's it's fascinating, right, I mean, you
Speaker 1: either can run the offense or you can't. It's also
Speaker 1: been too it's been two months, so we don't know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's different. It is a fascinating moment though,
Speaker 1: for John Harbaugh and just this raven staff, because you
Speaker 1: really do feel like if they don't make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: he's probably gone. And and he's keeping a good attitude.
Speaker 1: He did the whole like, uh, animal house. You know,
Speaker 1: was it over when Germans bomb Pearl Harbor bit at
Speaker 1: his John press conference this week? And you know, so
Speaker 1: he's keeping a light tone, but it's it's big. It's
Speaker 1: ten times. Uh. Mike Francesca used to call that whistling
Speaker 1: past the Graveyard. I believe that was a song. There's
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the Patriots fan in me. But there
Speaker 1: is something about the Ravens that I I sort of
Speaker 1: expect they will find a way that it's not over
Speaker 1: for them, and they they're gonna they're gonna be in
Speaker 1: the mix. It'll be over in weeks seventeen or maybe
Speaker 1: it'll be over soon enough. Are they one of the
Speaker 1: teams on I mean, we had that conversation about the
Speaker 1: Ravens every year. I if I had to pick who
Speaker 1: gets that sixth seed, I think it's either. I think
Speaker 1: it's either it's one of those AFC South teams or
Speaker 1: it's the Ravens. Those are the favorite. If was if
Speaker 1: what you're saying, which makes sense and you're basing it
Speaker 1: on where we when we saw these guys in action,
Speaker 1: Um that r G three is the better option. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. But if you're John Harborne, you kind of
Speaker 1: need a Hail Mary to say your job a little bit.
Speaker 1: Is r G three the better solution? Or do you
Speaker 1: throw this kid that's a fantastic talent in the fire
Speaker 1: and see if he gets hot. Uh. I don't have
Speaker 1: enough information to say if that makes sense, but just
Speaker 1: logically you would feel like for a team that's fading
Speaker 1: inject some energy and youth and Steve Crazy, who would
Speaker 1: scare you more if you were an imposing defense having
Speaker 1: to prepare. I thank RG three. I just think there's
Speaker 1: a difference between running trick plays and running an offense.
Speaker 1: And I don't know which one of these guys is
Speaker 1: more ready. But what the Ravens all, everything the Ravens
Speaker 1: have given us suggests to me that RG three would
Speaker 1: be the guy. That's what's happening in the news. Okay,
Speaker 1: before we get to the t NF preview. Uh, this
Speaker 1: is something that came up. We were watching Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1: Just to pull back the curtain. We record the bulk
Speaker 1: of our Sunday Night show h leading in as the
Speaker 1: Sunday Night game kicks off. We usually finish the hour long,
Speaker 1: hour long taping around halftime, and then we we stay
Speaker 1: in the studio together and we watched the re of
Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football, and we use that time not only
Speaker 1: to watch the games and converse and and greg to
Speaker 1: four guys hanging out. You like, yeah, you don't need that.
Speaker 1: Trivia's trivial, that's what you're saying. Uh. We also sometimes
Speaker 1: we'll talk about plans for the show, and and Mark
Speaker 1: was getting fired up about the Packers. I believe what
Speaker 1: was the game we were watching. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: the context of how we got into it. What was
Speaker 1: the sing Eagles Cowboys? Okay, but anyway, the Packers came
Speaker 1: up with the Rams came up, and there there's certain
Speaker 1: teams that really Mark hates. They're honest radar and and
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna talk about. These are teams that
Speaker 1: are in the mix, that are getting coverage, that are
Speaker 1: in the playoff fight, but Mark don't like them. So
Speaker 1: let's get going, Mark, what do you got? The Packers
Speaker 1: are the obvious starting point because I feel like the
Speaker 1: three of you adore the Packers and you have your
Speaker 1: own reasons and you can we can next time do
Speaker 1: the segment on why you love this team so much?
Speaker 1: I and and this segment. It's probably happening in this segment.
Speaker 1: I just it's this year especially. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: Packers teams, no matter what happens to them, they are
Speaker 1: viewed as like, just send the train ticket straight to
Speaker 1: the NFC title game. Well, I'm not buying it. This
Speaker 1: year your four four and one, you're one three and
Speaker 1: one against winning teams. You can't win on the road,
Speaker 1: and everyone's just waiting for Aaron Rodgers to save the
Speaker 1: day with a bunch of half milk toast parts around him.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. The Packers to me do this
Speaker 1: every year. You have not won of Super Bowl since
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, and I do not need to
Speaker 1: to be part of this fantasy to just assumes they're
Speaker 1: going to topple all these better teams in the NFC.
Speaker 1: But you don't like them when they're good too. Whether
Speaker 1: they're good or bad, you don't like them. I also
Speaker 1: think that it's a fan base that's had excellent quarterback
Speaker 1: play for decades, and it's I don't know, there's something
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. But we let Mark explain why
Speaker 1: he's angry angry about the team. Then we step in
Speaker 1: and we try to diagnose what really is the root
Speaker 1: cause of this. And I think you're hitting at it here.
Speaker 1: The back to back five Rodgers thing has always annoyed
Speaker 1: stuck in your crawl. It's just the whole experience that like,
Speaker 1: I love Aaron Rodgers, he's a great player, it's not
Speaker 1: there's nothing about There's there's nothing about that I'm not
Speaker 1: critiquing this play. It's just this is just this. Have
Speaker 1: you ever like when you were in school and every
Speaker 1: guy in class like the same girl, and you're just like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying this one. Like I do not need
Speaker 1: to be a huge Aaron Rodgers fan the way that
Speaker 1: other people are. I just don't find this team. I
Speaker 1: don't need this team on prime time as much as
Speaker 1: they are. I am an outlier here. They annoy me
Speaker 1: for some reason, and I am self trying to self
Speaker 1: diagnose it half the time myself. I just don't buy
Speaker 1: the strongman NFC title game argument, Like, are we not
Speaker 1: supposed to cover any team unless they can make a
Speaker 1: title game? We've seen with this team whenever Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is healthy, they go to the playoffs, whether it's re
Speaker 1: lax or run the table. And this team is no
Speaker 1: worse than those teams. I think they're being to relax
Speaker 1: all their way to eight seven and one of you.
Speaker 1: The other thing, they lose in the playoffs when they should,
Speaker 1: and also they go in with these stacked teams. I
Speaker 1: think this started for me when they had that fifteen
Speaker 1: in one campaign and got taken out by the Giants.
Speaker 1: Go handle your business right, it happened. They they've had
Speaker 1: at Patriots don't stumble in big spots in general. That's
Speaker 1: not They've had an ornament amount of bad playoff losses,
Speaker 1: but in their best seasons where they finished off the best,
Speaker 1: they look terrible around week ten. So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if we can tell anything right now. There
Speaker 1: is an argument to me. And I don't even think
Speaker 1: of the Packers as like one of my five favorite
Speaker 1: teams if I'm making a list. It's just that like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is, you know, maybe the best player I've
Speaker 1: ever seen and want. Maybe it's up there with the
Speaker 1: most fun players I've ever got to watch. So I
Speaker 1: like to watch them the most captivating, right So I
Speaker 1: so I like them, And so yeah, I do root
Speaker 1: from a little know how you always said West you
Speaker 1: needed your women to have faults and flaws. He's too
Speaker 1: perfect for me, Like I'd rather see him go through
Speaker 1: some stuff. And it's just like I don't know he
Speaker 1: has He's went through a lot. He's going through a lot.
Speaker 1: There's an argument that I don't cry for me, argentity.
Speaker 1: I was thinking while while the Packers were struggling with
Speaker 1: the Dolphins for a little bit watching that game. There
Speaker 1: is an argument to be made that non Packers fans
Speaker 1: that are Rogers fans, which I would consider you meet
Speaker 1: Dan and West, that we just like watching play There's
Speaker 1: an argument to be made you should almost root against
Speaker 1: them this year to finally get the stink of McCarthy off,
Speaker 1: because I'm just I want to see I've been saying
Speaker 1: this for a few years. I want to see him
Speaker 1: with another coach and only missing the playoffs my accomplish.
Speaker 1: They went halfway with dom Capers. My um. My final
Speaker 1: thought is that if I had to make a list
Speaker 1: of the top ten top twenty games in the last decade,
Speaker 1: whether it was a win or loss for the Packers,
Speaker 1: they're probably on that list more than any other team. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is my part, all right? Who
Speaker 1: else you got? Oh? The Rams? Okay? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Look it are they good? Yes? They are good, They're great.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go right to the super Bowl. But I
Speaker 1: for me, it reminds me when I was young and
Speaker 1: at you live on the East Coast and the only
Speaker 1: game you get at the four pm slot was that
Speaker 1: Joe Montana or Steve Young Niners beating teams up forty
Speaker 1: five to twenty every week, and so the Rams are
Speaker 1: now the same thing every single week. Todd Gurley a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards and two touchdowns. Oh, Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: you threw for three touchdowns and zero interceptions. Again you
Speaker 1: win twelve games, thirty eight to twenty four. I mean,
Speaker 1: I telling you something. Are they good? Are they? Are
Speaker 1: they equality team? Yes? But of course here because we
Speaker 1: live in l A and an NFL network is super
Speaker 1: cozied up to the Rams, We're gonna be working inside
Speaker 1: their building a couple of years. We have to sit
Speaker 1: here and lavish them with NonStop attention and love. And
Speaker 1: I like going to their games too and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But how about go through some adversity before I buy
Speaker 1: a second of this? This is I want to see
Speaker 1: a team go through some some downs. And every Rams
Speaker 1: game is the same. I've covered like twelve of them
Speaker 1: for the sight. This counterpoint, the last six Rams games,
Speaker 1: five lost, that was tied, thirty five and the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter and thirty one wins. Right, let me ask you,
Speaker 1: is actually the opposite of them. It's like, why can't
Speaker 1: the Rams win by more than one score? Is what
Speaker 1: most people are at. How many Rams games have you
Speaker 1: sat there and you're shivering, thinking they're gonna lose They
Speaker 1: if anything could pour on another ten or fourteen points
Speaker 1: and they could have lost either of them. They that's
Speaker 1: There's one game like that, which was the Broncos. They
Speaker 1: could have lost either of the Seahawks games. They could
Speaker 1: have lost the Packers. They happen to win them. The
Speaker 1: Vikings game we went to is a good example. The
Speaker 1: Vikings hung around. There was not a single second that
Speaker 1: night when I thought, oh, Minnesota's gonna win this thing.
Speaker 1: Not at all. It's like their defense has some issues.
Speaker 1: Like a ton of defenses in the NFL. The Rams
Speaker 1: are constantly up here and then they're giving up a
Speaker 1: little bit here, a little bit less, and they win
Speaker 1: these games by they look looser than they are. The
Speaker 1: scores they've all been down in the last possession. I
Speaker 1: agree with some of what you're saying, and I remember
Speaker 1: growing up having the same feeling about those Juggernaut forty niners.
Speaker 1: Teams got boring after a while. But but nobody in
Speaker 1: this podcast studio was cozying up to the Rams just
Speaker 1: because they're in l a right. It's because he took
Speaker 1: over Jeff Fisher, the worst offense in NFL history according
Speaker 1: to Football Outsiders, and then had the best one in
Speaker 1: one year. And he's doing things like that. We haven't
Speaker 1: quite seen Sean McVeigh that is, and it's exciting to
Speaker 1: watch like a team do it in a different way.
Speaker 1: For a team to turn Robert Woods into an afterthought
Speaker 1: into one of the best receivers. They play an entertaining
Speaker 1: brand of football? Why not like that? I gotta get
Speaker 1: annoyed when teams are good for too long. The Patriots
Speaker 1: the utmost obvious example, the Warriors in the NBA, and
Speaker 1: other example maybe the Rams. They've literally won no playoff
Speaker 1: games with this with the Rams become that team down
Speaker 1: the line in a couple of years. But I see
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, Mark, I just don't know if
Speaker 1: they're there yet where you could kind of eight on
Speaker 1: them for being too good because they really haven't accomplished anything.
Speaker 1: I want to die. Can I doctor that act? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's probably a few doors. Yeah. My
Speaker 1: uncle he's Dr Milner, but you know, uh, he's a psychotherapist.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it stems from the
Speaker 1: NFL networks impending move down to Inglewood and even some
Speaker 1: of the relationship between the network and when the Rams
Speaker 1: first moved here. Uh, that really bore out on NFL Network,
Speaker 1: where we covered it quite a bit because it's in
Speaker 1: our in our backyard, and it's a big deal for
Speaker 1: the NFL, and there's something about that that really grinds.
Speaker 1: It does and again that is that is absolutely it,
Speaker 1: and there's something else happening. I can walk to NFL
Speaker 1: Network in eight minutes from my house. And now now
Speaker 1: it's like I have to uproot. That's I have to
Speaker 1: uproot the entire family, or are like, I don't even
Speaker 1: own a car right now, I had to go buy
Speaker 1: a car. Now I had to go buy a car
Speaker 1: and drive twenty eight minutes through ridiculous l A traffic
Speaker 1: fair to some gigantic right I it's that's that's the
Speaker 1: by car, and that is twelve minutes more than it's
Speaker 1: taking me to get up and leisurely walk. You can
Speaker 1: put a book bag on and take a bird. It's
Speaker 1: just the development I did not need. All right, that
Speaker 1: was diagnosed well, all right, I wish we got straight
Speaker 1: to that, But that's not how psychotherapy takes. Time. Another one.
Speaker 1: The last one is the Panther, and the Panthers to me,
Speaker 1: all right, look, they represent a bunch of teams. And
Speaker 1: this is when Greg and I get into it too often,
Speaker 1: I know, But the Panthers to me, were totally and
Speaker 1: utterly exposed last Thursday night. And here it is. This
Speaker 1: team that we bandy about is a Super Bowl spoiler.
Speaker 1: It's just a slow, steady march to failure. We're gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and deal with them for the next six weeks.
Speaker 1: Are gonna go on the road in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: get totally whacked. I guarantee it. I guarantee they will
Speaker 1: not achieve anything beyond the playoff loss. And we're just
Speaker 1: sitting here and waiting for it to happen. It's a Now,
Speaker 1: there's sixty days of dealing with this team. There's a
Speaker 1: bunch of teams like this, and it gets me highly annoyed.
Speaker 1: We want to go straight to the diagnosis. Yeah, le'
Speaker 1: let's hear the diagnosis from doctor. Are all right? When
Speaker 1: when the Steelers, especially are playing in a big primetime game.
Speaker 1: You could maybe throw the Ravens, but especially the Steelers
Speaker 1: in a big primetime game. Mark wants that opponent to
Speaker 1: show up. He thinks he's seen it too many times
Speaker 1: over the years, the same story as the season moves along,
Speaker 1: that the Steelers end up starting rolling and it's another
Speaker 1: a f C North nightmare. And so when the when
Speaker 1: the Panthers showed up on Thursday night and didn't really
Speaker 1: show up, that hurt you. And now the other fury
Speaker 1: like the Sessler's score. The other thing was that I
Speaker 1: had to sit in this office and watch that half
Speaker 1: of it because we had to come up here for
Speaker 1: ninety eight seconds to recap the game, which I could
Speaker 1: do from my house on the phone. If I wanted
Speaker 1: to imagine doing it next year from Minglewood, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to. I mean, I would see I was part
Speaker 1: of I was part of this. So you why weren't
Speaker 1: you able to watch it at the house. There was
Speaker 1: something going at the house, wasn't there. It's there's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's not easy to It's fun to watch
Speaker 1: games if I don't have to, really, if I can
Speaker 1: kind of like let them go with my kids, I'm
Speaker 1: really start to enjoy that. Actually, but that night we
Speaker 1: got to focus and take notes and stuff. It's like,
Speaker 1: so you gotta clear out. It's the sun's down, you
Speaker 1: already put in a day of work, you're in the office,
Speaker 1: and now you're sitting at your cubicle alone while everyone
Speaker 1: else in your mind you're thinking, this is my Friday
Speaker 1: night because that's where our schedule breaks. Eric is up
Speaker 1: in West Hollywood like in her fourth martini, and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here watching the Panthers not show up on Thursday
Speaker 1: night football, and you're sitting at your cubicle and you're
Speaker 1: watching this game slip away and just want to get
Speaker 1: games just a waste of time for me. It was
Speaker 1: mad that you your Friday night essentially is being impacted
Speaker 1: that may so I wanted to be clear in in
Speaker 1: the parlance of our social media times, the Steelers have
Speaker 1: been sunning the Browns and Bengals for forty five freaking years,
Speaker 1: and you want somebody to knock them off. So to
Speaker 1: be clear, though, you said you gart because the Panthers
Speaker 1: fans are a vindictive bunch, and you guaranteed a play
Speaker 1: play it only has anything in the playoff last did
Speaker 1: you mean like they won't even win a playoff game.
Speaker 1: It's an immediate playoff loss. What I'm guaranteeing is that
Speaker 1: they are. They're going to hit January and be an
Speaker 1: ultra non factor when we look back on what ultimately
Speaker 1: happened in the playoffs. The Panthers are like last season
Speaker 1: where they went out in the first round, not meekly.
Speaker 1: But I think they're better than last year. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think they have a shot. I think they're better
Speaker 1: teams in the NFC than last ye think they have
Speaker 1: a shot to make some noise. I don't better teams,
Speaker 1: and then the Panthers could win a game, and then
Speaker 1: who knows what can I don't know, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get your point. I don't know, uh
Speaker 1: if I'm really allowed to say this, but I am
Speaker 1: with most of the players and saying I do not
Speaker 1: like Thursday night football, especially don't like when there's really
Speaker 1: good games like that should have been a good game
Speaker 1: and Mark, you've made a point of it on Thursday,
Speaker 1: that probably would have been a great game. Last week's game, Um,
Speaker 1: it was a Panthers and Steelers. Steelers would have been
Speaker 1: a great game on Sunday at on CBS or or Fox. Instead.
Speaker 1: Sometimes these teams don't show up, especially the road teams
Speaker 1: and That's why I don't even put a ton of
Speaker 1: stock into that game. Like, I don't think they were exposed.
Speaker 1: I think they got they the ball started rolling on
Speaker 1: THEIM gonna turn into a snowball, and I just I
Speaker 1: just say screw it. That game's gone, and I bet
Speaker 1: they make a deep run in the p I like
Speaker 1: this team a lot. I I think like the Thursday
Speaker 1: night thing had a huge impact. I don't think that
Speaker 1: result ever would have occurred. That's on Sunday at one
Speaker 1: o'clock in Pittsburgh. But but they were exposed, though, I
Speaker 1: don't just give them a free pass. That's two football
Speaker 1: teams that played each other and they were exposed. Steelers
Speaker 1: have housed their last five opponents. It hasn't always showed
Speaker 1: up on the scoreboard, but they've just they've been the
Speaker 1: best team in football the last five weeks. They've been
Speaker 1: as good as the Chiefs in the rain. But I
Speaker 1: really believe just for five weeks St. St. St. Saints
Speaker 1: are in the least. But I'm saying the Steelers to me,
Speaker 1: just for that five weeks stretch are in that in
Speaker 1: that league, you play five straight opponents and you physically
Speaker 1: dominate all five of them that that's hard. Let's see
Speaker 1: how Carolina does against New Orleans. Steelers are playing with
Speaker 1: three downs, Saints are playing with four? You good, Mark,
Speaker 1: I actually feel a lot better. Alright, good, Let's move on, Kay,
Speaker 1: I can't find this ad? Oh but looking for like
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Speaker 1: but this is a community. Greg the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: who we just spoke about, and a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on the Packers to prove Mark wrong four four and
Speaker 1: one spank the Dolphins last week. But here's a challenge.
Speaker 1: They're going to Seattle to face the Seahawks. Seahawks who
Speaker 1: are playing for their season right now. West Let's just
Speaker 1: keep it real. They've lost two in a row. Their
Speaker 1: four and five in a loaded NFC four and six
Speaker 1: means goodbye. They are playing for their season. This is
Speaker 1: a team that Greg has said repeatedly he views as
Speaker 1: a playoff team, and they can run on anyone. He
Speaker 1: saw they ran for almost three hundred yards and a
Speaker 1: loss to the Rams. I think they're gonna run on
Speaker 1: the Packers. Question is gonna Packers keep up with them?
Speaker 1: I think they can because the Packers play a style
Speaker 1: where they lean on their quarterback, and the Seahawks play
Speaker 1: a style where they're trying to hide their great quarterback,
Speaker 1: where Russell Wilson is such a secondary player in this offense.
Speaker 1: I think they've gone too far. They're they're too in love.
Speaker 1: That with the fact they've run for a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty yards six straight games, which is wild, like the
Speaker 1: Seahawks are basically the best running team in football right now.
Speaker 1: Even when Chris Carson was out I mean just by
Speaker 1: the numbers, but I don't think I think over time
Speaker 1: and you saw it. I think in last week's game,
Speaker 1: and I know they ended up keeping it close with
Speaker 1: the Rams. Russell Wilson had about fifty nine yards passing
Speaker 1: going into the fourth quarter. I just think that's that
Speaker 1: makes your margin for air on third downs very tough.
Speaker 1: It's a tough place to play, but I would rather
Speaker 1: have the team where you're relying on your quarterback. And
Speaker 1: I think that the Seahawks are are a little too
Speaker 1: in love with this run run past when their defense
Speaker 1: is just okay, it's good. It's not great, it's it's
Speaker 1: a fine defense. I like it if it's if it
Speaker 1: operates the way the Cowboys did in years past, where
Speaker 1: you're taking Green Bay off the field by controlling thirty
Speaker 1: five plus minutes of the game. I don't see Seattle
Speaker 1: doing that effectively week after week. They are running well,
Speaker 1: but it's like you're not gonna just be able to
Speaker 1: play keep away from the Packers. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: the Chargers won is because they started selling out and
Speaker 1: they paid no respect to the receivers whatsoever after the
Speaker 1: first quarter and just sold out knowing it was gonna
Speaker 1: be run the whole game. I think you have to
Speaker 1: mix it up just for predictability sake. Last week I
Speaker 1: thought the Packers maybe it was just because they were ahead,
Speaker 1: but they hit on an offense that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones getting of the snaps, Davante Adams getting quite
Speaker 1: a bit of targets. Focus on your best players. Keep
Speaker 1: Jones on the field. I mean that guy, he kind
Speaker 1: of defined shot out of a cannon. They we hear
Speaker 1: you hear shot out of a cannon a lot. When
Speaker 1: I hear shot out of a cannon. Right now, I
Speaker 1: think Aaron Jones, well, hell to that ball when you
Speaker 1: come out of the cannon, though, helps and he's he's
Speaker 1: facing lighter boxes in any running back in the league
Speaker 1: earlier than am in. But I'm gonna lock it up
Speaker 1: for the Packers. Another road team for Greg. I like it.
Speaker 1: You need this. It's goes home. I went home, and
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go. I'm home and I'm rooting. I
Speaker 1: found out that that I win a sandwich if if
Speaker 1: anyone but Mark, and so now I'm just rooting for
Speaker 1: west Or or Dan. I guess if Dan gets in
Speaker 1: the mix, I am in the mix and two games out.
Speaker 1: All right, fans in it well too, Yeah, I'm I
Speaker 1: have the same record as Dance, so by technicality alone,
Speaker 1: I'm also in it. Yeah, everyone's in the mix. Everyone.
Speaker 1: We just made that pick from his home. This feels
Speaker 1: like a juicy spot for a lock off, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I can it is it is very tempting.
Speaker 1: Is this a Jimmy Graham revenge game? And there's no
Speaker 1: logic to it that the there's no logic. The Packers
Speaker 1: are banged up, it's a short week, they're missing two
Speaker 1: of the players in their secondary uh aren't traveling for
Speaker 1: this game. Nick Perry is not traveling for this game.
Speaker 1: Why because he played He's struggling because Reggie Gilbert is
Speaker 1: a much better player than Nick Perry at this point
Speaker 1: in their careers. But I just I just have I
Speaker 1: just do believe that the Packers. It's just a gut
Speaker 1: feeling that they are gonna start magic on the road
Speaker 1: in prime time. I don't think that's a I mean,
Speaker 1: let's it's also a must win game for them. You
Speaker 1: can't go four or five and one in the NFC
Speaker 1: right now. They they would have probably lost to play
Speaker 1: with but I don't think you. I don't say they're
Speaker 1: definitely dead at four or five and not definitely dead,
Speaker 1: but it's like, what are you What are you selling
Speaker 1: us at that point? We've already been down this shrow,
Speaker 1: but your four or five and one? What are you
Speaker 1: selling us? West? Yeah, you could be two and a
Speaker 1: half back if the Vikings win that Sunday night. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty big deficit. Um, Jimmy Graham, I may not
Speaker 1: win the sandwich prop that we have because I think
Speaker 1: I set the yardage too low. But I stand by
Speaker 1: the fact that he's just not the same Well you
Speaker 1: said it would be. He have to go under seven hundred,
Speaker 1: you got a shot at that. He's his pace is
Speaker 1: a little over seven. But I just don't think he's
Speaker 1: the same guy anymore. Greg nailed this one. Throughout the
Speaker 1: off season. Aaron Rodgers is giving him so many chances
Speaker 1: to make plays and he hasn't made the plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one one last thing I wanted to mention that the
Speaker 1: just because sometimes you get really good players and then
Speaker 1: you just assume they're good and then they don't get
Speaker 1: mentioned for a while, Like Bobby Wagner is playing as
Speaker 1: well as Bobby Wagner has ever played. I think he's
Speaker 1: the best middle linebacker in football. If you had to
Speaker 1: pick one, he would be the one I would pick.
Speaker 1: And he he's the number one reason why their defense
Speaker 1: has not fallen off too badly. Everybody wants to stick
Speaker 1: their claim to Bobby Wagner or Luke Keakley and then
Speaker 1: change their mind the next week. That's fine. I mean
Speaker 1: they're both, that's true. I guess whatever. They're both unbelievable
Speaker 1: but never misses a tackle. All right, there you go. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's pick this game. So Greg obviously has the Packers
Speaker 1: my NFC Super Bowl team. I'm so tempted to lock
Speaker 1: this up, but I just I don't know. It feels
Speaker 1: too right now, it feels too a motion based and
Speaker 1: I always getting whacked on those. I'm gonna pick Seattle though.
Speaker 1: To win, Packers America needs score thirty one. I had
Speaker 1: thirty seven for the Packers late field goal with the dub.
Speaker 1: All right, before we go real quick, let's send out
Speaker 1: a mailbag prompts. Have some fun. In fact, let's use
Speaker 1: a little eight o'clock to light the keep. Because Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy out the Packers missed the playoffs. Marcus Dilley asks, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he go, Yes, Craig will make sure of it. Eleanor
Speaker 1: ied last year. They should have listened Eleanor West. That
Speaker 1: Selman asked, why did you fork the fork? It was
Speaker 1: honestly my favorite segment. I love the fork doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be we we haven't ruled that officially it died.
Speaker 1: It died a natural death. The better forks are kind
Speaker 1: of starting around this time of year, so we could
Speaker 1: still we could still talk about not only the fork,
Speaker 1: but Dan's funeral dirges. Jesper Waalburgh has to ask, or
Speaker 1: chooses to ask, Aaron Rodgers plays his career under Belichick?
Speaker 1: How many Super Bowls do they win? More or less
Speaker 1: than Brady Belichick? All of them less, exactly the same amount?
Speaker 1: Was that four or five? I don't even like I
Speaker 1: don't like this question. Tom Marshall asking for a friend
Speaker 1: who was a Jets man. Are we seeing evidence of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Decline wes, Yes, I don't. I actually
Speaker 1: think it's inarguable he's I'm not saying this is the end.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a liability. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: past too. You know he is he's just declined. He's
Speaker 1: he's not the best quarterback in football anymore. And I
Speaker 1: think you see it in his mobility, his arms cranked,
Speaker 1: his unwillingness to take a hit. He's he's had his
Speaker 1: worst stretched since. You know. Then he bounced back. He's
Speaker 1: made a career out of slaying dragons, and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me to see him slay another one. Mark Rich asks,
Speaker 1: if we don't really die at the end, then what well?
Speaker 1: I mean? I I've thought that question my whole life.
Speaker 1: I think you'd probably move on to like it's a
Speaker 1: computer sim or something, and you wake up to like
Speaker 1: a everyone that you were in life with. You're in
Speaker 1: some room and everyone's kind of shaking hands. Christopher, I
Speaker 1: don't have an answer to that one, saying for the day,
Speaker 1: who delivered some amazing Baco shop yesterday, Thanks Chris, best
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving side dish. I like mashed potatoes, man, I'd love
Speaker 1: potatoes stuff. He says, you gotta get rid of that.
Speaker 1: How about Chardonnay a communist? Now you just gotta get
Speaker 1: rid of the turkey and have a real nuffing stuffing solid.
Speaker 1: I go with mashed potatoes as well. I think you
Speaker 1: could put some spices. It's up to the It's up
Speaker 1: to the person cooking the turkey. If you just want
Speaker 1: to go boring, throw it at the Avid. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be bored. What do you think, Erica spice it up?
Speaker 1: Definitely mashed potatoes? Bang, Greg from Chad Wicked? Is Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford good? Candy d ms are underrated? Yes, Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: is good. I define good as better than average. He's
Speaker 1: better than average starting quarterback. Absolutely, He's probably about in
Speaker 1: that twelve to fifte Mark Corey German, as is Nathan Peterman.
Speaker 1: Actually the worst quarterback of all time? No time now
Speaker 1: he's he's in the conversation, but no recency bias West.
Speaker 1: If we don't really die at the end, then what man,
Speaker 1: I've struggled with that one. I have really struggled with that. Alright,
Speaker 1: well what you think? It's okay not to know the answer?
Speaker 1: To save it for the Theology podcast will be back
Speaker 1: uh on what is Today? What's Happen? Wednesday? We're doing
Speaker 1: another show tomorrow. Tomorrow is like the can we can
Speaker 1: we get one week where we can stop talking endlessly
Speaker 1: about it? Has taken me thirty nine years but I'm
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Speaker 1: football stuff. Let's go Seahawks, Putter and Michael Dixon. That's
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