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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast takes place entirely inside a
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler fever dream. Welcome back to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Jansas.
Speaker 1: I'm joined in a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up buise? Hey? Dan? Oh?
Speaker 1: What week is it? Week? He thought it was Week
Speaker 1: thirteen after I got excited for uh, it is week eleven.
Speaker 1: It is the Sunday Flagship Show where we recap every
Speaker 1: game that was played on Sunday from the early kickoff
Speaker 1: through Sunday night football Vikings Bears. If this is the
Speaker 1: first time you've ever listened to this podcast, here's a
Speaker 1: here's a breakdown. You got the zany one, the unpredictable one,
Speaker 1: the guy that who knows where he's coming from. He's
Speaker 1: the quiet storm. And then you got you got West.
Speaker 1: He's the guy. He's argumentative, he's smart, he knows his football.
Speaker 1: Don't cross him. He was a male man's Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: And there's also Greg. He's like, oh, he's he thinks,
Speaker 1: he's a thinker and he'll cut you down if he
Speaker 1: has to. And he also likes to go down to
Speaker 1: the lab. He's Greg Rosenthal. What's the lab? It's where
Speaker 1: all the football heads go to study things. Who's behind
Speaker 1: the glass? Erica? She is on the hunt for a
Speaker 1: new relationship and we might have something cooking for now. Cool?
Speaker 1: What a performance, it's good. We we usually just assume
Speaker 1: all these listeners they've been around for a while, but no,
Speaker 1: we're picking up new ones in your house. You go,
Speaker 1: and what's my role? I'm the maestro? What one thing
Speaker 1: before we go here? This is that I can already
Speaker 1: see where this is going. Greg has shown up with
Speaker 1: his boutique coffee drink in a can. Dan drinks his
Speaker 1: little drink with a straw. I don't know why we
Speaker 1: need the straw. So so now West and I are
Speaker 1: under pressure to show up with our own like like
Speaker 1: hideously overpriced like beverage offshoots to keep pace with this
Speaker 1: non This is a dollar fifteen coffee and a can.
Speaker 1: It'll change your life. I'm gonna I see what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna I've got it. We're going to clip it
Speaker 1: off and tweet it out and you're gonna get like
Speaker 1: a creative it sent to your desk the ninth straight week.
Speaker 1: I thank it off right now. Mark looks like that
Speaker 1: frog meme right now with this cold who knows what
Speaker 1: we're gonna get? Marks got a hood on. It's exciting
Speaker 1: to think over his hat, over his hat. So yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through all the games, including an early
Speaker 1: slate of games today that we're among the most exciting
Speaker 1: and uh hard fought we've seen all season. So you
Speaker 1: want to get into it. Yeah, we're a little worried.
Speaker 1: We ate dinner before before we did the show. We
Speaker 1: usually do it after, and a little some fears of sluggish, Right,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make you sluggish or is it gonna give
Speaker 1: you energy? Answer? Energy? Yeah, I feel like, uh I'm
Speaker 1: on fire, Like you put me out of a sensor.
Speaker 1: Damn Caton, let's go, let's get to the game. Our
Speaker 1: grandfathers can really appreciate the struggle that we're going through
Speaker 1: right now. Ben gets safro, he looks he run minor,
Speaker 1: He's in. He's in, he's in. He's kind of touchdown.
Speaker 1: Has a touchdown, right, but a quite call. That's the
Speaker 1: I mean that was Phil Hillgrove, but I think that
Speaker 1: was touch ilkin. Somebody was clapping press box in the
Speaker 1: Steelers radio booth. There is the network. Uh with the call.
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger rumbled, stumbled toward that end zone, reached out
Speaker 1: just far enough with the football, the nose crossing the
Speaker 1: goal line. The winning score with five seconds to play
Speaker 1: lifts the Steelers to a win over the jab Wars
Speaker 1: at the Big Chlorine Tank. The Jacks y aked up
Speaker 1: a sixteen zip lead, and this one they are losers
Speaker 1: of sixth straight greg that's seven straight wins for the Steelers,
Speaker 1: who got some revenge for their playoff oust. They did,
Speaker 1: and after a start that you would have never expected
Speaker 1: fifty six yards. I don't know. Ben Braethlisberger didn't have
Speaker 1: any passing yards in the first three quarters in this game,
Speaker 1: and then they took it over Mark Sessler. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they their first six drives punt punt, punt, interception,
Speaker 1: punt interception, eighteen plays for thirty one yards. That is
Speaker 1: when this game became a narrative. Did I call that
Speaker 1: was not aimed at you? I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: What is happening in the studio? I don't know. Keep going, Mark,
Speaker 1: eight team plays for thirty one yards and then suddenly
Speaker 1: it became a narrative buster this game because it's the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I thought they're gonna go on the road at least
Speaker 1: once or twice a year, lay a total egg. And
Speaker 1: this is days after they destroyed the Carolina Panthers and
Speaker 1: we were talking about them as one of the A
Speaker 1: f C offenses. They could hang with the Saints, and
Speaker 1: this happens. But then they absolutely collected themselves and Jacksonville
Speaker 1: playing this sort of hang on type football where we're
Speaker 1: gonna run and we're gonna just ignore our quarterback and
Speaker 1: not even attempt to do anything through the air. And
Speaker 1: over the final sixteen minutes, Pittsburgh does what they often do,
Speaker 1: score three touchdowns with a huge player from Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster was fantastic. Down the stretch and they
Speaker 1: escaped the game that normally in years passed they would
Speaker 1: have lost. They've won sixth straight. James Conner had a huge,
Speaker 1: huge drop of what it would have been the go
Speaker 1: ahead touchdown minutes before Roethlisberger got in the end zone.
Speaker 1: So you just kinda you gotta give your you know,
Speaker 1: tip your cap to the Steelers who once they finally
Speaker 1: did get rolling, they just wouldn't been denied. And a
Speaker 1: lot of that goes back to Roethlisberger, who is just
Speaker 1: I mean, he's such a great guy. I I a
Speaker 1: great guy to have on your team. I I tweeted out,
Speaker 1: I think last week, how great it must be. Two
Speaker 1: be Steelers fan send out the same tweet this week.
Speaker 1: It just see was fun to be following this team
Speaker 1: right now because they scored points, they played dramatic games,
Speaker 1: and they're winning a lot of football games and the
Speaker 1: Jaguars are they're over. And it was another game where
Speaker 1: Big Ben came out of this one saying that this team,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars talked trash from the minute the game started,
Speaker 1: and that's they're good at that. They're good at talking,
Speaker 1: but they're not good at winning these games. But they
Speaker 1: they should have the defense talked and they backed it
Speaker 1: up for three quarters and if they were giving anything
Speaker 1: else but a totally inept offense for the last two
Speaker 1: and a half quarters, they win that game going away.
Speaker 1: After this, Jaguars went up sixty nothing. They had eight
Speaker 1: more drives. In those eight drives, they had six three
Speaker 1: and outs and a total of fifty six yards. They
Speaker 1: are basically trying to move on from the Blake Bortles era.
Speaker 1: While Blake Bortles is still their quarterback. There was one
Speaker 1: there was one drive where he didn't throw the ball
Speaker 1: the whole time. He threw one path and they're running
Speaker 1: on third and ten. It's like, yeah, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: win that way. What a lost year in Jacksonville. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: all the loss of six game losing streak. Bordles regresses
Speaker 1: or turns out to be the guy that the Jaguars
Speaker 1: probably feared. He was the four this game West, the
Speaker 1: report came out that Jalen Ramsey could be on the
Speaker 1: trade block. Who would trade arguably the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the league in the prime of his career, maybe a
Speaker 1: team suddenly at the crossroads. Well, they came out and
Speaker 1: just and denied that said it was just flat out false.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they also leaked it for a wake
Speaker 1: up call to He had two interceptions in the game
Speaker 1: and was having a great performance and then in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter Ben Roethlisberger was five of six throwing it
Speaker 1: in his direction. Not a good year for him. Some
Speaker 1: big plays. Wow, what a win for the Steelers. This
Speaker 1: could be a game that really gets them buy. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things to to go here, but
Speaker 1: could help a lot. Let's move on. So it's forty
Speaker 1: two for the win, operation good, forty two away her
Speaker 1: for the operation forty two yards what minister extra point?
Speaker 1: Brat sham And that was the Babe. I'll just call
Speaker 1: him the babe. Babe Laufenberg of the Cowboys Radio Network
Speaker 1: with a call. Yes, Brett Maher missed an extra point
Speaker 1: and a forty two yard or earlier on Sunday, but
Speaker 1: he came up big when it counted. He shot one
Speaker 1: through the upright just to the right of the right
Speaker 1: upright or to the left of the right upright. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was the difference in a two to nineteen win
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys over the Falcons. It's a second straight
Speaker 1: big road win for Big D suddenly just the game
Speaker 1: behind the first place Redskins, with the two rivals facing
Speaker 1: off on Thanksgiving, Greg, this ain't but these cowboys they
Speaker 1: got some fight. How about them Cowboys? They are getting
Speaker 1: it done and they have a chance here to take
Speaker 1: first place five days from now. I don't really feel
Speaker 1: any different about their team after watching this game. They're
Speaker 1: starting to win some of these close games. They play
Speaker 1: a style that invites these close games. But give a
Speaker 1: little of to Dak Prescott there there was a couple
Speaker 1: of sequences where his ability to run the ball in
Speaker 1: short yardage, run over a defender on the goal line
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Another time on a third and
Speaker 1: two where they basically had the right defense called, they
Speaker 1: could have had him stopped, and he runs them over.
Speaker 1: And you combine that with two hundred and one yards
Speaker 1: from Ezekiel Elliott from scrimmage of three D and twenty three.
Speaker 1: Their O line is is definitely playing well. It was
Speaker 1: a game with very few possessions in Jason Garrett almost
Speaker 1: invites these close games, and I don't think he covered
Speaker 1: himself in glory at the end, but they found a way.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get too excited about the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: still think they are what they are, eight or nine
Speaker 1: one team, but I do think there's a big difference
Speaker 1: in these last two weeks because this offensive line, which
Speaker 1: has been much blind. I don't know if the coaching
Speaker 1: change did it, but all of a sudden, Zeke Elliott
Speaker 1: is destroying teams back to back weeks. I think he's
Speaker 1: got like four hundred total yards are close to it,
Speaker 1: uh and two wins, and I think that's a big difference.
Speaker 1: If that line is back to what it was. Cowboys
Speaker 1: can play in this division. Yeah, they're playing on offense,
Speaker 1: it's like they did the last couple of years. And
Speaker 1: on defense. You know, we we used to see shan
Speaker 1: Lee as a Jena piece. They are four and one
Speaker 1: with Late Late and Vanderesh starting in place of shaan Lee.
Speaker 1: Vander Esh started out as a part time player this
Speaker 1: year and he already is a hundred tackles. I've had
Speaker 1: a huge interception today too, Yeah, huge making play and
Speaker 1: made a big play in the running game two. I
Speaker 1: mean they have stars, guys playing at the very top
Speaker 1: of their position. I would include Vanderesh and that I
Speaker 1: mean he's playing bad as well as anyone. DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: I think might be playing better this year than a
Speaker 1: year ago. They really dominated the Falcons offensive line up front.
Speaker 1: You have Byron Jones is playing great obviously, Zeke. So
Speaker 1: you have all these stars all on one team. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a great team, but you put that
Speaker 1: all together and it's a little better than the Falcons
Speaker 1: who just keep letting down Matt Ryan, who played a
Speaker 1: really really good game overcoming his offensive line. They refused
Speaker 1: to run the ball in some key situations, even though
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman when they gave him the rock had a
Speaker 1: pretty good game. And then once again at home, he
Speaker 1: caps a really really nice comeback with a beautiful throw
Speaker 1: to Julio Jones. He was money in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: He had a receiver also, Calvin Ridley, drop a pass
Speaker 1: that turned into an interception. And what does his defense do.
Speaker 1: They give up a quick field go to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They've lost some heartbreakers at home. This can we fork
Speaker 1: them at the Saints next week? That's about that. I
Speaker 1: think they're done. Yeah, We're gonna fork the Falcon. I
Speaker 1: feel like they we might not have an official for
Speaker 1: committee coming together this year. It sounds like maybe we're
Speaker 1: in a brief hiatus this year, but we can still
Speaker 1: talk about which teams are done. And I think this
Speaker 1: lost um paired with what happened last week in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: It's just hard to get behind the Falcons. Is a
Speaker 1: team that's gonna put it together. You have to believe
Speaker 1: that they can go five and one down the stretch,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing we've seen from them since that suggests
Speaker 1: that's about to happen, especially when you you're going to
Speaker 1: New Orleans next week. Yeah. You they've had all these games,
Speaker 1: and you have an offense and a quarterback playing about
Speaker 1: as well as as any So I think they'll be
Speaker 1: in every one of these games. But it sports sixteen
Speaker 1: and nineteen points the past two weeks. The Saints are
Speaker 1: scoring forty eight every but this wasn't This was a
Speaker 1: game of very few possessions. And that's what I'm talking
Speaker 1: about with Garrett. I mean, their offense is not with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs the Saints in the fair because because of
Speaker 1: the running game. And by the way, Jason Garrett, you
Speaker 1: might have won this game, but I saw what you did.
Speaker 1: You were essentially playing for overtime, and Dan Quinn took
Speaker 1: a time out with about a minute and ten left here,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna kill Quinn for it, because he
Speaker 1: was trying to be confident in his defense. It was
Speaker 1: third and five. Dan Quinn takes the time out. Otherwise
Speaker 1: that clock's running and I think we're going to overtime.
Speaker 1: He takes the time out. They pick it up, and
Speaker 1: then they get to a forty seven yard field goal
Speaker 1: for Brett Marr and then and then he just stops
Speaker 1: trying to gain yard. So this is gonna haunt you.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett employed by an arm of the
Speaker 1: NFL longer than all of us, You're just gonna stick around.
Speaker 1: I think if if you're in there this division, here's
Speaker 1: what you want them to give Jason Garrett an extension,
Speaker 1: Give Dak Prescott an extension, and just keep this whole
Speaker 1: train of eight and eight moving for year after year.
Speaker 1: Let's will make your head explode. The ball looks looks
Speaker 1: looks plenty of time. Now pressure comes new protenso it
Speaker 1: is sounding why it did complete the Linons hang onto
Speaker 1: the league. He was looking for Jerry's right, who come
Speaker 1: whine off? Just sailing? Why nice call there by Dan
Speaker 1: Miller with Lomas Brown on the assist Lions radio Cam
Speaker 1: Newton through an incomplete pass on a two point conversion
Speaker 1: with one oh seven to play. Yes, he did sail
Speaker 1: it over an open receiver, allowing the Detroit Lions to
Speaker 1: hold on a twenty to nineteen win over the Panthers.
Speaker 1: The Lions and proved the four and six keep those
Speaker 1: playoff hopes um on life sport was four and six
Speaker 1: worth they five and six? There are four and six.
Speaker 1: Thank you four and six. The Panthers have lost two
Speaker 1: straight for the first time this season, and gentlemen will
Speaker 1: start here since that was the play we just heard.
Speaker 1: I I get it. I get it's fun, and I
Speaker 1: enjoyed the excitement of watching the play. But I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing, uh with Rabel and Tennessee against the
Speaker 1: Chargers and that London in game, And I'm thinking the
Speaker 1: same thing in this game. When you have the momentum
Speaker 1: and you're scoring the touchdown and have a chance to
Speaker 1: tie the game and try to win this game, why
Speaker 1: get crazy and and be the cowboy and go for two?
Speaker 1: And if it works, he's a genius. If it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: he looks bad. I get it, but I just this
Speaker 1: is a first guest for me. I didn't love the
Speaker 1: call when it happened, and I didn't love the variable call,
Speaker 1: and I didn't love the Rivera call. In both cases
Speaker 1: the teams lost because of it. Maybe they lost because
Speaker 1: of it. Maybe he would have missed the kick or
Speaker 1: the defense would have given up the field goal. Anyways,
Speaker 1: there was three time outs in a minute seven. I
Speaker 1: do think that was a factor in Riveria. And there's
Speaker 1: a better team than the lines get to stop. Don't
Speaker 1: You have no faith in yourself and so when it
Speaker 1: feels like you have to try to steal a win,
Speaker 1: That's why I don't like that. Wasn't there a moment
Speaker 1: on that play where you thought Cam Newton run with
Speaker 1: the ball take off? He didn't. He seemed he got injured.
Speaker 1: I will throw this out there. He got rolled up on,
Speaker 1: I believe in the third quarter and he and and
Speaker 1: because he's he seems to be indestructible Cam Newton, he
Speaker 1: wasn't even really showing ill effects. He wasn't necessarily limping
Speaker 1: around the field. But I wonder if that to be
Speaker 1: played into it. Maybe wasn't feeling good, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: really moving. Uh. The offense with his legs at all
Speaker 1: in this game. It's been an absolutely there's a couple
Speaker 1: of teams that are in a bad place right now,
Speaker 1: but in awful ten days for Carolina because you were
Speaker 1: utterly exposed against the Steelers. And this was the one
Speaker 1: that we talked about on Thursday as the stamp it
Speaker 1: sort of get right game, get back on track, and
Speaker 1: this happens. Well, the Lions were reeling. You can't lose
Speaker 1: this game if you're the Panthers. But he here's the thing.
Speaker 1: He missed an open throw. I mean, it was an
Speaker 1: easy throw. And he said after the game, that's on me.
Speaker 1: I can't miss that throw. So that's why I don't
Speaker 1: mind the call your best player. Yeah, you let your
Speaker 1: best player try to win the game. And and he
Speaker 1: blew it. And I do think this is a loss because,
Speaker 1: especially because you didn't see it coming, that has some
Speaker 1: impact on the NFC race. And that's what I was
Speaker 1: talking about that where these teams like like the Eagles,
Speaker 1: or the teams that are four and six like the Falcons,
Speaker 1: they feel at least in it because a team like
Speaker 1: the Panthers are back at six and four. You know,
Speaker 1: right now, the six spot at six and four, six
Speaker 1: and four and and suddenly we're asking questions about them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think part of the reason laughed against
Speaker 1: the Saints too, right, the part of the reason they
Speaker 1: Graham Gano, typically very reliable this season, flubs a thirty
Speaker 1: four yard field goal and and missed the extra point.
Speaker 1: I mean, suddenly, if you're a head coach, you're a
Speaker 1: little freaked about your kicker. But I I'm and I
Speaker 1: still would think that you have to believe they can
Speaker 1: punch in the extra points. That they asked Rivera after
Speaker 1: the game about that, and I think it was kind
Speaker 1: of like attack on what did the misses by Gono?
Speaker 1: And he met he kind of repeated what the reporter said.
Speaker 1: But is one of the best kickers in the league.
Speaker 1: Are you really gonna just count on him having a
Speaker 1: yip so you're gonna bail on an extra point? I
Speaker 1: wouldn't with a kicker that. I mean, he just did
Speaker 1: have the hips and his last is two previous kicks Panthers,
Speaker 1: What do you know when the y I think part
Speaker 1: of it it was happening on the road. It's like,
Speaker 1: let's get out of here with a win, and you
Speaker 1: hope you punch it in. And it does not happened.
Speaker 1: I think the Panthers have to become Rams fans the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. They need that Week seventeen game
Speaker 1: against the Saints to mean something or to not mean anything, right,
Speaker 1: They need not mean anything the opposite of what everything
Speaker 1: I just said. Well, they will mean nothing at the Saints.
Speaker 1: You know, wipe them out next time they play. So
Speaker 1: Lyon's last carry On Johnson to a knee injury, and
Speaker 1: that's a disappointment with them. Coming up in the old
Speaker 1: nine thirty am on the West Coast Thanksgiving time slot, Greg,
Speaker 1: this was your your Rainmaker of the week. That's true.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have probably that listened to the
Speaker 1: show that lean on you for your advice. In this
Speaker 1: realm we actually have we have we actually have some
Speaker 1: audio from Santa Monica. Dr Gregory H. Rosenthal. This is
Speaker 1: your final foreclosure notice. We have your house surrounded. Come
Speaker 1: out with your hands up. Okay, boys, I mean did
Speaker 1: they leave when they saw the second Rainmaker pick of
Speaker 1: the weight come through in the afternoon to act like
Speaker 1: you threw it out there? And I said that counts.
Speaker 1: This was the one that you were telling the people about, though,
Speaker 1: Greg safely at work well, the the heat descend on
Speaker 1: his family. One and one. We're moving, We're moving forward.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's a progress. That's the process. The rain
Speaker 1: Maker just just a tough start for the Rainmaker segment
Speaker 1: on this. And it looks time you've ever killed your
Speaker 1: own segment data Monica police, Uh, you got some something
Speaker 1: else to do. Give me a break, it's apparently not.
Speaker 1: How about like the you know, the homeless people humping
Speaker 1: the parking meters right near my house. They're going to
Speaker 1: use it. There's a Baker issue out there, no doubt.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Smith looking firing to the
Speaker 1: end zone and it's intercepted, brought out by Read and
Speaker 1: he takes it right side across the forty, the fifty,
Speaker 1: the forty of Washington. No one's gonna get him up.
Speaker 1: Pick six coast to coast, picked it off of the
Speaker 1: end zone, shot out of a cannon and takes it
Speaker 1: for over a hundred yards for six h m hmm.
Speaker 1: Mark Vandermere, Texans Radio with a call on a quiet
Speaker 1: day for the Texans offense. Justin reads one d and
Speaker 1: one yard. Pick six was huge in the Texans three
Speaker 1: to twenty one win over the Redskins. That's seventh straight
Speaker 1: wins for Houston, that ties the franchise, Mark Uh, Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler Uh. The Texans win another close game and a
Speaker 1: gruesome injury for Alex Smith may change the complexion of
Speaker 1: the NFC East Redskins fall to six and four, and
Speaker 1: you know when when Alex Smith goes down, the teams
Speaker 1: that can complain of the teams that lose their starting
Speaker 1: quarterbacks with the old thing is, this was an awful
Speaker 1: game by Alex Smith before he was injured, and he
Speaker 1: he really put the Redskins in a tough position with
Speaker 1: two bad picks, the one that we heard right there.
Speaker 1: I wondered down the stretch with what we've gotten from
Speaker 1: Alex Smith on tape. In general, is Cult McCoy a
Speaker 1: huge drop off? I don't. I think Colt McCoy is
Speaker 1: sort of similar to Alex Smith in certain ways, and
Speaker 1: he fits in this offense, which is to say, not
Speaker 1: a dynamic offense on any level, one that runs through
Speaker 1: its tight ends and needs a big day from Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line injuries showed up a little
Speaker 1: bit more today. Alex Smith was pressured from the minute
Speaker 1: he was in there at the beginning until he got injured,
Speaker 1: and you said the Texans like, here's the thing I
Speaker 1: can give him credit for. They won an ugly game.
Speaker 1: This was by far from a dynamic performance by Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson and he this Redskins defense is good and they
Speaker 1: and they played, they played well today. I think Lamar
Speaker 1: Miller probably played one of his best games of the year,
Speaker 1: which is I just don't love this backfield. But he
Speaker 1: he made plays for them and they move on to
Speaker 1: a huge game next week against the Titan Oh. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did lock that up. I'm riding hard with my
Speaker 1: Texans right now and I'm coming for you us. Just
Speaker 1: be just be aware of that. You can just lock
Speaker 1: that up right away now that the Titoons on Monday
Speaker 1: night staying away, Let's make an interest in picking up
Speaker 1: when I put him down, I'll go with me and
Speaker 1: the Colts, and you go with you in the Texans. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. We'll get to that. I know
Speaker 1: you seem to like the Colts. That's sneaking out, but
Speaker 1: I think the Alex Smith injury is it's so sad
Speaker 1: because not reveal the score of the Colts came west. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I've never I've I've never in all the years that
Speaker 1: we've been doing the show together. And I say this
Speaker 1: with peace and love. I think it's good. It shows passion.
Speaker 1: We'll get to it. But West, your excitement for Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck and the Colts, I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 1: seen you who was excited about any team in the
Speaker 1: non Patriots sector than the Colts right now. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up,
Speaker 1: all right. But the Alex Smith injury. Uh, it's terribly
Speaker 1: He broke his fibia and tibia. Uh. It is on
Speaker 1: the thirty three years of the day that Joe Eisman
Speaker 1: did the same thing. Joe Eisman was in the building,
Speaker 1: a Redskins quarterback. He had a surgery today, just to
Speaker 1: give you an idea of how serious the injury is.
Speaker 1: And it is certainly something that could be uh, something
Speaker 1: could put his career in doubt. Uh, and you just
Speaker 1: hope that that's not the case. But uh, that's the
Speaker 1: stomach punch. As bad as uh Smith or is kind
Speaker 1: of ineffective or mediocre. He was in his first year
Speaker 1: in Washington. That's a tough thing to put down on
Speaker 1: a team. An injury of that level, and you gotta
Speaker 1: give him credit for fighting back with McCoy. Jake Gruden
Speaker 1: believes that Courte McCoy is perfectly suited for his offense,
Speaker 1: and the Redskins gave him a new contract this past
Speaker 1: offseason that reflects the belief that they think he is
Speaker 1: the best quarterback, best backup quarterback in the NFL. But
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna have the same Even if that was true,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the offensive line that they thought they'd have.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the receivers. I mean, you have Trey
Speaker 1: Quinn was the number two receiver. Today you're throwing a
Speaker 1: Michael Floyd in the first quarter. And even even if
Speaker 1: you're play even great at quarterback, there's so many other
Speaker 1: issues on this team. Well they they're featuring. It's Jordan
Speaker 1: Read and like Vernon Davis dropped an awful wide open,
Speaker 1: would be touchdown reception. It's like these guys that this
Speaker 1: is gonna be the focal point of your offense. Someone's
Speaker 1: got to make a place. So it is a it's
Speaker 1: an unfavorable, you know, looming prospect for Colt McCoy to
Speaker 1: do much more than Alex Smith did. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: uncanny that Tisman was there. The final score was the
Speaker 1: exact same twenty one. They were both on the forty
Speaker 1: yard line. For what it's worth, they both finished with
Speaker 1: three attempts on the season. It's a little so is
Speaker 1: does that mean? Call McCoy is J Schrader? Yes? What
Speaker 1: did J? Strader do? I believe he guided them to
Speaker 1: the playoffs and then Doug Williams took over the next
Speaker 1: year in a quarterback tussle with J. Strader? Then they
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl? How about these texts? How did
Speaker 1: the Texans win every game like this? They've got some
Speaker 1: They've got some magic luck. I was gonna make is
Speaker 1: that the Cults are definitely looking more impressive as a
Speaker 1: team and their shredding teams right now, and they're they're
Speaker 1: on a winning streak themselves. But the Texans, they got
Speaker 1: a little juice to him, little magic. Uh. Seven straight wins.
Speaker 1: They're the first team, this is West, your historian, the
Speaker 1: first team since the nineteen New York Giants to win
Speaker 1: seven or a a row after starting three. And oh, I
Speaker 1: don't think they'll go thirteen and three, but these these uh,
Speaker 1: and maybe the there the regression to the mean is
Speaker 1: going to haunt them in the end. But they are
Speaker 1: winning close games and they do because they know how
Speaker 1: to close them out. I'd be concerned about one thing.
Speaker 1: They lost both guards today. They had one point, had
Speaker 1: only five active offensive lineman and the interceptions by Watson
Speaker 1: were on Watson right and and McCoy had a chance
Speaker 1: there to win and win it at the end. They
Speaker 1: ended up setting up a Dustin Hopkins sixty three yard
Speaker 1: field goal, which was a long shot. But this is
Speaker 1: the second straight week. I don't know if they really
Speaker 1: know how to close it out. It's the second straight
Speaker 1: week they watched the game in because the opposing kicker missed,
Speaker 1: I mean the guy, he barely reached the end zone.
Speaker 1: They were able to get the stop where they didn't
Speaker 1: give him makeuple field goal. Would would you believe that
Speaker 1: their first road win over an NFC team in six years? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I believe the j S Raider thing.
Speaker 1: I hope believe. Why are you lying with let's move?
Speaker 1: If the Ravens can stop the Bengals here, they can
Speaker 1: claw their way back into the playoff conversation. Game is
Speaker 1: on the line, fourth and three, Dalton Necrow is passed
Speaker 1: here sideline is broken up incomplete and won one two
Speaker 1: left play back Hatty's in the bar. I always enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Jerry Sandusky, justin Farrette uh and Kirk mcew and f
Speaker 1: W b A l called the Ravens got to stop
Speaker 1: they needed, as well as one hundred seventeen rushing yards
Speaker 1: from rookie Lamar Jackson and his first NFL start. One
Speaker 1: win over the Bengals ends at three game losing streak West.
Speaker 1: The Ravens also got a hundred fifteen ground yards from
Speaker 1: a human named Gus Edwards. Grounded pound lives in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards is better than Alex Collins, and he's been
Speaker 1: showing it. But is he better than Gus Barrott, who's
Speaker 1: the best Gus in NFL history? Well, Gus, it's not
Speaker 1: a wild place to get to as an NFL player.
Speaker 1: Performance was Gus the Mule? Remember that old movie where
Speaker 1: the mule kicks the football? I don't remember that for
Speaker 1: the record. Who has now reveals himself to be a
Speaker 1: year old wizard. My dad used to watch this movie
Speaker 1: where there was a mule named Gus who used to
Speaker 1: kick football sounds riveting. I hope they came up with
Speaker 1: a sequel to that. What else in this game was
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson looked good? I mean, he did throw an
Speaker 1: interception which the Bengals capitalized on, but then he led
Speaker 1: the Ravens on two scoring drives to take the lead
Speaker 1: and the most rushes by a quarterback in a game
Speaker 1: since at least nineteen fifty seven carries, which made me
Speaker 1: at first think would they give him that kind of
Speaker 1: workload if they thought he was going to be the
Speaker 1: quarterback the rest of the way. But it's interesting because
Speaker 1: Marty morning Weigg has really struggled with the run pass
Speaker 1: ratio and establishing a ground attack. Um, and I think
Speaker 1: this might actually help Marty morning wagg like get out
Speaker 1: of his own way. Look at their scheduled down the stretch.
Speaker 1: I don't think they face a run defense that ranks
Speaker 1: in the top half of the NFL. Oh who's got this?
Speaker 1: Oh as son of a gun? Oh like you didn't
Speaker 1: know by the way this run past ratio, He's still
Speaker 1: got a problem. They ran fifty seven times, weren't doctor Rainmaker.
Speaker 1: Let me in open up this, Dore, I want my
Speaker 1: money now, I let pipe as a date with your
Speaker 1: knees if you don't come out here, you and your
Speaker 1: bozo friends done for you. Hear me open this door.
Speaker 1: That is actually that was Louis, the legbreaker. That's Louie.
Speaker 1: That's Louis. You don't want to know how it works
Speaker 1: in Okay, Louis, that's what you thought. So we forked
Speaker 1: the Bengals and they ran fifty seven times. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's insane. Well, I don't twenty four twenty one game.
Speaker 1: You don't see that too much. You can't think they
Speaker 1: trusted Lamar to run a like some heavy NFL aerial
Speaker 1: attack in this game. I think John Harbor would loves
Speaker 1: the fact that Lamar Jackson was his quarterback. He just
Speaker 1: seems like he had a pep in his step the
Speaker 1: whole week. He was excited to unleash this plan. They
Speaker 1: didn't throw the ball once on the first draft. I
Speaker 1: don't know. That almost makes me buy into this team
Speaker 1: because I think he he's feeling like some crazy mad scientists,
Speaker 1: like on his last chance, and he's loving it. You're
Speaker 1: rust You're right. Their scheduled in terms of defensive teams
Speaker 1: are playing the Raiders, Falcons, Chiefs, Bucks, and then the
Speaker 1: charge was there good but does this plan work week
Speaker 1: after week? Can they just go on unfurled the same
Speaker 1: scheme next Sunday. I don't think you can ask your
Speaker 1: your quarterback to run the ball twenty times a week.
Speaker 1: I mean, how's he gonna stay healthy? Concerns? At least
Speaker 1: they're a more interesting team with Lamar Jackson. Um. I
Speaker 1: feel like these two teams are exactly where they should be.
Speaker 1: Yes to five and five, which means they are both
Speaker 1: they are meaningless. You asked if we could fork the Bengals.
Speaker 1: I'm usually the guy that says anything can happen. You
Speaker 1: want to keep all thirty two teams on the five
Speaker 1: that they're they're a bad team and they're not gonna
Speaker 1: make the playoff. They're bad, they're boring, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really believe any of these teams. Somebody had
Speaker 1: to win. It was the Ravens on Sunday. Let us
Speaker 1: move on fourth down and seven, coming up an empty
Speaker 1: backfield for Breeze. Breeze takes the snap, he crops back,
Speaker 1: he looks to his right, wocks one down the sideline.
Speaker 1: I'm a come here. Taught it to ten Alvin coming
Speaker 1: up yards and the Saints continue the dance and the
Speaker 1: Superdome who Zach stream w w L. They do Drew
Speaker 1: Brees past for three sixty three and four touchdowns, including
Speaker 1: a cruel, brutal fourth and seven bomb to Alvin Kamaro
Speaker 1: when the game was already out of hand. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Saints are filling themselves. Nine straight wins, seven over
Speaker 1: the Eagles. My goodness, Greg They say it's put a
Speaker 1: clown suit on the defending champs. They did, and in
Speaker 1: a season of unbelievable Drew Brees performances, this might be
Speaker 1: at the top. And yet I'm gonna focus on three things,
Speaker 1: not Drew Breese, because that to me, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: longer stay in power. The fact that their defense has
Speaker 1: absolutely man handled two straight opponents. I know it's Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and in Philly, although Philly wasn't struggling that bad before,
Speaker 1: really bodes well. Lattimore is traveling with Alshon Jeffrey. That's
Speaker 1: a good sign. A lot more man coverage. I think
Speaker 1: the Eli Apple trade has has really helped them. Sheldon
Speaker 1: Rankings is owning people. They lose their left tackle, Thrown
Speaker 1: Armstead for three or four weeks. Jermon bush Rad comes
Speaker 1: in there. They won the battle up front, they really
Speaker 1: dominated Philly's aligne and then tray Coon Smith comes out
Speaker 1: out of nowhere with for ten catches and a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty seven yards and a touchdown. So if you're
Speaker 1: getting plays out of these supporting cast members and the
Speaker 1: defense helping breeze, watch out. The Saints have scored on
Speaker 1: over six of their offensive possessions this year. The record
Speaker 1: is by the two thousand seven Patriots, so they are
Speaker 1: blowing that out of the water. They're also on pace
Speaker 1: to have the fewest fewest punts ever in a sixteen
Speaker 1: game season. This is the best offense in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and they're growing stronger every single week. They had scored
Speaker 1: on nineteen of twenty possessions before Teddy, starting in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that Rams game, until Teddy Bridgewater came in,
Speaker 1: and they basically just you know, ran it three times
Speaker 1: nineteen out of two thousand seven Patriots two thousand thirteen Broncos.
Speaker 1: This team is right there, I mean, and they even now.
Speaker 1: You got guys like rookie tray Kuan Smith. He goes
Speaker 1: off for ten and one fifty seven in this game.
Speaker 1: It's almost Kevin Arnold making diving playld Kevin Arnold's dad's
Speaker 1: making plays, Dan Lauria, And it's like it's almost as
Speaker 1: if the Saints when you're watching these games. Every time
Speaker 1: I looked up when I was working today, the Saints
Speaker 1: are first and goal at their opponent's fourteen yard line,
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and it just seems
Speaker 1: like they have like fourteen guys on the field on
Speaker 1: offense and the other team has eleven, and it just
Speaker 1: it seems almost unfair. The Eagles to me, and we've
Speaker 1: mentioned this before, they miss Frank Right, I think they
Speaker 1: missed John d. Filippo. They missed essentially what was the
Speaker 1: chemistry they had week to week building game plans last
Speaker 1: year and this is you know, this is an utter embarrassment.
Speaker 1: This is the worst loss by a defending Super Bowl
Speaker 1: champion ever. I think it goes behind beyond the coaching
Speaker 1: staff though. I think this is the classic Super Bowl
Speaker 1: hangover season for a team, and they just from the
Speaker 1: quarterback coming back from the knee injury and not being
Speaker 1: quite himself, even if his numbers are comparative at least
Speaker 1: until today. Today, today he had one of them, maybe
Speaker 1: his worst game as a pro. But everything about the
Speaker 1: Eagles just seemed off the season and this was obviously
Speaker 1: been the deer well. The offense scoring seven points was
Speaker 1: the shock to me. Carson Wentz struggling is the shock.
Speaker 1: It doesn't shock me that the Saints offense went up
Speaker 1: and down the field. The fact that the Eagles were
Speaker 1: essentially dominated. I think they had a hundred in sixty
Speaker 1: yards until the last, you know, second drive, and they
Speaker 1: had the ball. They got plenty of chances they could
Speaker 1: not of the ball. Wentz was missing receivers, just a
Speaker 1: little late on things. It wasn't quite accurate. And at
Speaker 1: four and six in this division, just looking at it,
Speaker 1: if you had a good performance today that you could
Speaker 1: feel good about, you know, the I don't think they'd be.
Speaker 1: They're out of it, but they're springing new leagues every week.
Speaker 1: The East is the one division where if you got
Speaker 1: something out of Philly today that you had any sort
Speaker 1: of faith in four and six wouldn't scare me. But
Speaker 1: it also feels like a team somewhat veering off a cliff.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have gave up five hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: yards sixty nine plays for the Saints at nearly eight
Speaker 1: yards per play, and and that's the Saints. But it's
Speaker 1: just that the Eagles have also looked unimpressive in many
Speaker 1: other weeks. It's not just the blowout in the nature
Speaker 1: of the loss, it's that you lost Avante Maddox from
Speaker 1: your secondary after you had already lost two or three
Speaker 1: important pieces in that secondary. Lost Jordan Hicks. I don't
Speaker 1: know how serious he's his injury is, but the starting
Speaker 1: middle linebacker, the center went out, Jason Kelsey. They are
Speaker 1: springing new injuries every every week, right because they have
Speaker 1: thence next week, and in theory, you win that game
Speaker 1: and you might only be one week one game out
Speaker 1: of the out of the it's really one game behind
Speaker 1: the Eagles. I don't think the Eagles should be given
Speaker 1: any passes or any kind of gimmes at this point
Speaker 1: or layups. There just seems something wrong. I would go
Speaker 1: as far as I view them similar to how you
Speaker 1: guys view the Bengals. I think they're done. I think
Speaker 1: their seasons over. I don't care what's going on in
Speaker 1: the end. I'm with you, but the only the only
Speaker 1: thing that is favorable in their schedule is you have
Speaker 1: the Giants, Redskins twice, and Cowboys. You have a chance
Speaker 1: to impact what happens in the East, but you also
Speaker 1: have the Rams and the Texans, and it's like, handle
Speaker 1: your own business, please before we get concerned about your schedule.
Speaker 1: It is amazing, though, to see a defending champ like
Speaker 1: that just get steam rolled. I mean where Wentz was
Speaker 1: just thrown up Hope balls early and it just felt
Speaker 1: like the whole he could feel like it was all
Speaker 1: caven in Ons. You're ready excited? Oh yeah, the time,
Speaker 1: it's time. Let's do it. You got goose bumps, I
Speaker 1: do actually, all right, let's do it. Andrew Luck going
Speaker 1: for a home run deep down field looking for t
Speaker 1: Y Hilton. Hilton makes a catch piece of the ten
Speaker 1: five stumbles in the touchdown touchdown tea why help from
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck to te why and the Colts leading sixteen
Speaker 1: and nothing, Happy times in Lucas Oil Stadium. That's tailor
Speaker 1: Colts Radio Network. Andrew Luck on fire, the Colts quarterback
Speaker 1: through three more touchdown passes, never took a sack. That
Speaker 1: offensive line is out of its mind too. Right now,
Speaker 1: as the Colts cruise to a thirty eight to ten
Speaker 1: win over the pretender Titoons, don't even come at me.
Speaker 1: Luck is now a perfect tenant oh in his career
Speaker 1: against Tennessee West, frank Wright said after the game that
Speaker 1: Luck was quote unbelievable and guessing you agree with that assessment. Yes.
Speaker 1: His fourth straight game with a passer rading over one twenty.
Speaker 1: His seventh straight game with three or more touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: which only Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have ever done,
Speaker 1: is the second longest streak of drop backs without a
Speaker 1: sack in twenty five years. This offense is rolling and
Speaker 1: the Colts to me, like I know the Texans have
Speaker 1: a better record, the Cults are the better team, and
Speaker 1: nobody in the a f C wants to face them.
Speaker 1: If they make it to the playoffs in January, they
Speaker 1: could conceivably go eleven and five. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they're better than every team. That would be a ten
Speaker 1: game winning streak. They have a very favorable schedule. There's
Speaker 1: not much left that they have to face that they
Speaker 1: can't take down the way they're playing. Fairness, when they
Speaker 1: were one in four and even even after that, like
Speaker 1: we were saying, this is a team that is absolutely
Speaker 1: capable of making and run. Do you think the defense
Speaker 1: West today, I guess it is starting to come back
Speaker 1: to the September form because they looked okay early in
Speaker 1: the season before looking pretty awful for a while. I
Speaker 1: want to say that it's a great sign that, you know,
Speaker 1: they have four sacks in the last five games, and
Speaker 1: today they have five um within the first thirty five
Speaker 1: minutes of the game, So that seems like a good sign.
Speaker 1: But they exploited a Titans team that struggles on third
Speaker 1: downs and Mariota has the highest sack rate in the league.
Speaker 1: Luck has the lowest sack rate in the league, and
Speaker 1: I think they picked on that that propensity from Mariota
Speaker 1: to take bad third down sacks. This is your argument
Speaker 1: for nothing really mattering until around Thanksgiving, because I think
Speaker 1: that they've been figuring out who they are week after
Speaker 1: week and they have a very good coaching staff. Darius Leonard,
Speaker 1: by the way, the favorite for defensive Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: an interception, a force fumble, and a sack in this game.
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariotta left this game correct Us with an elbow injury.
Speaker 1: Did come back. He did not come back. Mike Rabel
Speaker 1: said after the game that Mariota was fine when he
Speaker 1: got injured. It was twenty four to nothing, and I
Speaker 1: think they just figured, hey, it's halftime and we're not
Speaker 1: in it. Let's let's just keep him healthy for next week.
Speaker 1: And this was such a Tennessee performance of the last
Speaker 1: i'd say five years, where they get people sucked in
Speaker 1: and they have a couple of nice wins and then
Speaker 1: they just lay a total leg in a big game
Speaker 1: that meant a lot for playoff positioning. They just didn't
Speaker 1: show up. Was I think the Titans are one of
Speaker 1: those jekylin high teams where you could say you could
Speaker 1: convince yourself they're as good as the Colts going into
Speaker 1: this game, and then within a few minutes of the
Speaker 1: game starting, it's like the Cults are are just a
Speaker 1: better team, and then may be the better team than
Speaker 1: the Patriots too. Maybe part of that Tennessee thing was
Speaker 1: New England, let's move on, think come on, pick to one,
Speaker 1: snapping placement kick on away out of Havana is just
Speaker 1: the Silencers death. There done, it's over. Denver celebrates like
Speaker 1: I've rarely seen in a regular season game, and unbelievable
Speaker 1: comeback victory for these Broncos. Log koa Mark, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get back to your point in a second with the call,
Speaker 1: Randy McManus kicked at thirty four yard field goal as
Speaker 1: time expired, giving the Broncos to win over the Chargers
Speaker 1: in Carson at four and six. The Broncos remained in
Speaker 1: the Hut, a playoff spot, but for the Chargers, this
Speaker 1: was a loss straight out of the same Sad Bolt's
Speaker 1: handbook mark what are you doing in this game? We'll
Speaker 1: get to this game in a second. It is Greg's
Speaker 1: ultra hubris that will steer the Patriots into darkness this season.
Speaker 1: That is one of the most That comment you flippantly
Speaker 1: through out there before the end of the last segment
Speaker 1: is the end of the Patriots from you. You have
Speaker 1: been living in ease for too long. As my point
Speaker 1: is over, we talked about the time like you don't
Speaker 1: over react too much to one game in general, and
Speaker 1: I would say that I get it. Every team is great,
Speaker 1: every team is gonna make the playoffs. Don't worry. I
Speaker 1: say about the Titans too, They're going out. The Titans
Speaker 1: have shown that they're capable of winning games. They crushed
Speaker 1: the cow We've heard enough. They crushed the Patriots. You
Speaker 1: can't go crazy off of one game on the bath crazy.
Speaker 1: No one thinks that the Titans are better than the
Speaker 1: Patriots this year on the on the body, I think
Speaker 1: it just exposes the fact that New England's not just
Speaker 1: going roller coaster in the Playoffs Bowl. No one thinks
Speaker 1: they're even one of the two teas that the Titans
Speaker 1: are as good a team. I mean, mark it down.
Speaker 1: In the minutes, Erica marked out plays Yeah. Patriots Dynasty
Speaker 1: ended on the show to wait, what about the seven?
Speaker 1: We're going to be right in the end. This feels yeah,
Speaker 1: Darth Vader over there this hood on saying that this
Speaker 1: is the end I mean the top of by some podcaster,
Speaker 1: some podcast bozo. Yeah, back to this game, Okay, Broncos Chargers, Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: good job for the Broncos, a nice win mark for
Speaker 1: the Broncos, a nice comeback that even with a lot
Speaker 1: of fans, it's almost a glorified home game. But the Chargers,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? This is so same sad Chargers.
Speaker 1: This was the game where, you know, offensive mistakes which
Speaker 1: have been rare for them, forced the defense to play
Speaker 1: up until the end, one of its better games. They
Speaker 1: they at one point, I think it was case Keenum
Speaker 1: at the end of the third quarter had about fifty
Speaker 1: nine yards through the air, and Joey Bosa was back
Speaker 1: on the field and made some game changing plays, but
Speaker 1: it was more Philip Rivers throwing two ugly picks and
Speaker 1: the offense outside of Melvin Gordon looking absolutely awesome, Like
Speaker 1: they make these big plays, but they could not close
Speaker 1: at the end. And you can't let Den for hanging
Speaker 1: around like this way, not with Philip Lindsay running the
Speaker 1: way his and I know maybe this Chargers team is different,
Speaker 1: but doesn't this sound familiar? Through two big Rivers picks,
Speaker 1: fourteen penalties, ten in the first half, and the kicker, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is an extra point in the game. They lost
Speaker 1: my point. I'm so happy for you. Damn, what a
Speaker 1: day for you. The a f C East is off.
Speaker 1: You don't have to watch the Jets and the teams
Speaker 1: you've been skeptical of for the last few years, the
Speaker 1: Titans and Chargers back to back. You know what, it's
Speaker 1: the Patriots had lost that, you know. I don't believe
Speaker 1: in the Titans. I liked this Chargers team and I
Speaker 1: still think they're set up well to make a playoff
Speaker 1: run potentially, but this is the type of loss that
Speaker 1: they got to shake this out of their system at
Speaker 1: some point. It's a lost opportunity because I think they
Speaker 1: have Arizona next week, and then you had Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: if you could have gotten to that game nine and two,
Speaker 1: you could have taken command you know of the second
Speaker 1: by in the a f C. And this is this
Speaker 1: is i I everyone says, someone shouted on NBC, how
Speaker 1: can you lose this game at home? One of the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing things happening in the NFL right now is
Speaker 1: their home field. It's it's a nice place to play,
Speaker 1: it's it's a fun game to go to. Went to
Speaker 1: one last year, but it's like you it this week
Speaker 1: after week. We don't have to we don't have to
Speaker 1: blame the Chargers for this if you don't want to.
Speaker 1: But the stadium was like six people dressed in orange
Speaker 1: going literally nuts, Like you don't have a home field advantage.
Speaker 1: It's a shame. I mean, the Charges are having this
Speaker 1: great season, and I think returning back home was a disadvantage.
Speaker 1: That's one reason when you put me on the spot
Speaker 1: as the rainmaker, do I want to double up? Do it?
Speaker 1: That's why I said, yeah, there's no way I'm taking
Speaker 1: seven points with the Chargers. What was that that cash
Speaker 1: register up? Like the Rainmakers, I feel like a true
Speaker 1: rainmaker just drops the rain once it doesn't try to like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, multiple rain maker, that would be that would
Speaker 1: be a wise way to to to dr rainmaker. Let me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that could be a worse
Speaker 1: financial way to do things than put everything on one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm out here fighting them off and if you get
Speaker 1: us killed because we One of the reasons too, why
Speaker 1: I don't think you can trust the Chargers as some
Speaker 1: huge favorite is the way they manage the end of games.
Speaker 1: Sometimes with Anthony Lynn and two minutes left, third and seven,
Speaker 1: you're across midfield, Broncos have no time outs left. I
Speaker 1: expected them to call a run there. If you've got
Speaker 1: to call a pass, it has to be something very
Speaker 1: safe because you're just giving forty seconds back to the Broncos.
Speaker 1: If you have an incomplete von Miller makes a great
Speaker 1: play to recognize the screen gets in the way and
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers throws the ball in the dirt. I mean, Philip,
Speaker 1: they gotta have that conversation before that play with Rivers
Speaker 1: that if it's not there, you just take a knee
Speaker 1: or you you slide down. They gave the Broncos forty
Speaker 1: extra seconds and they absolutely needed it on that That's
Speaker 1: how this happened. And you know, it is a nice
Speaker 1: win for Van's Joseph, but the Broncos escaped here because
Speaker 1: he is I think he would be. This would be
Speaker 1: a storyline. He did not throw out the red flag
Speaker 1: on a two point conversion attent by case Keenan where
Speaker 1: the replace shows him scoring that two pointer and then
Speaker 1: the whole game changed on that and they're lucky to
Speaker 1: escape with the wind. One thing and this is it
Speaker 1: stops with the head coach. But he is at the
Speaker 1: mercy of the people that are paid to tell him
Speaker 1: to throw that flag. If he can't see it, it's
Speaker 1: better that he's listening to people that can and they
Speaker 1: I think they failed. I agree with that, But then
Speaker 1: that that's again all the one report we had from
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport was that the management was observing how everything
Speaker 1: ran with the Broncos, everything that tied into game day management.
Speaker 1: Here we are in late November and you're having issues
Speaker 1: because your replay guys can't get in front right. So
Speaker 1: I think it's just it's an organizational failure, but they
Speaker 1: escape with the win. Let us move on. Oh, before
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Speaker 1: wrowned manning rolls, right rows, right warde open Barkley touchdown
Speaker 1: and the Giants on the opening drive of the game
Speaker 1: take the lead six nothing. Barkley with his third touchdown
Speaker 1: catch and you can see why the Bucks have the
Speaker 1: worst red zone defense in the NFL. He was wide
Speaker 1: open car Pa Papa dunking on the box for the
Speaker 1: Giants radio network, se Kwon Barkley ran for a career
Speaker 1: high one forty two yards. He scored three touch jots.
Speaker 1: Give him that Offensive Brookie of the Year award right now.
Speaker 1: The Giants held off the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty thirty five.
Speaker 1: That's two straight wins. Will will dream who have consecutive
Speaker 1: victories for the first time in almost two years. Greg
Speaker 1: the Giants stumbled too badly to have a chance in
Speaker 1: the muddled n NFC East right Not if you listen
Speaker 1: to some honkin Giants fans on Twitter Jason harts Uh
Speaker 1: who works for the network, because people are getting Giants
Speaker 1: fans are getting excited. They don't think it's over yet
Speaker 1: in this division. Were there three and seven the division
Speaker 1: that will probably probably nine wins will win the division,
Speaker 1: so you never even know. Yeah, they might even need
Speaker 1: eight do it at eight. But Odell Beckham's been talking
Speaker 1: about running the table. They've won two in a row.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see their playmakers just being allowed and
Speaker 1: able to make plays. O d b had an incredible
Speaker 1: touchdown catch, also had a very nice play down the
Speaker 1: field on a really good throw a dime by Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepard had one of the most impressive routes I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, and then beat another receiver. Barkley's doing his thing.
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram had a fifth yeard place. So it's that
Speaker 1: group of players that you like to see, and this
Speaker 1: is what happened sometimes when you play the Bucks defense.
Speaker 1: But so what they took advantage well in the final
Speaker 1: crowning achievement for a Giant's team that has put forward
Speaker 1: one of the worst unwatchable seasons in a long time
Speaker 1: is to somehow get out of all this with like
Speaker 1: the sixth, seventh or eighth draft pick, so that you
Speaker 1: cannot fill one of the deepest quarterback black holes we've
Speaker 1: seen in New York in decades. Much much better to
Speaker 1: get five and eleven or four and twelve and pat
Speaker 1: yourself on the back as we head into December. I'm
Speaker 1: happy for Eli Manning because there's a lot of Eli
Speaker 1: haters out. There's an army of him. There's a couple
Speaker 1: in this room too, who uh you know, good games
Speaker 1: in a row. I'm having a lot of fun dancing
Speaker 1: on this guy's grave, hoping he was going to go
Speaker 1: out as a race. Don't you have an accountable hot tag?
Speaker 1: Did he gets yanked? Yeah? And you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: happy I'm gonna lose that because I didn't. But you
Speaker 1: can't be too You can't have too much conviction if
Speaker 1: you literally were predicting that he was gonna. I thought
Speaker 1: he was done, but I wasn't celebrating it like a
Speaker 1: lot of other people seem to be doing. And I
Speaker 1: don't think there should anything Eli can do? Should keep
Speaker 1: him as the quarterback next year? I do like I think,
Speaker 1: Oh I think it could. I mean I do, I
Speaker 1: don't think personally, I'm not saying with the Giants. I
Speaker 1: would never put it past the Giants. But well, we'll see.
Speaker 1: He they still have a bunch of division games left.
Speaker 1: They have the Eagles next week, and the Bucks have
Speaker 1: the Bowl. Aren't They're gonna be the Patris since Super Bowl? Aren't?
Speaker 1: I mean that would have the Patriots are done. I
Speaker 1: already heard it. So they're they're not They're making their way.
Speaker 1: They're making to They're gonna have to somehow live with
Speaker 1: like a eleven and five division championship year. Put a
Speaker 1: tent over the buck circus. I mean, we gotta start
Speaker 1: playing circus music every time we talk about them. How
Speaker 1: did Tom Mokin get thee right? Dirk Cutter gives us
Speaker 1: weeks performance, he gives, he gives the play calling back.
Speaker 1: I mean, what leadership by Cutter this year? What the
Speaker 1: size of this? And and he and he I don't
Speaker 1: blame him for going back to Jamis Winston in this game,
Speaker 1: which they did. They bench Ryan Fitzpatrick after three interceptions.
Speaker 1: They also had another trip inside the five where where
Speaker 1: they turned the ball over on downs Fitzpatrick had to
Speaker 1: pick six. I mean, he just seems snake bit. He's
Speaker 1: moving the ball and then making a bad interception. Jameis
Speaker 1: Winston came in and started to bring out some wins Magic,
Speaker 1: which I tried to sell on Twitter. Wins Magic four possessions,
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. But the books are always in catchup mode
Speaker 1: and the first tould ever get negative retweets like I
Speaker 1: did get I knew people would hate it and They've
Speaker 1: got a lot of thumbs down, but wins. Magic is back.
Speaker 1: You're not mentioning at the interception of the fumble also,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like you're talking about the Eagles. The
Speaker 1: interception was just the last play of the game where
Speaker 1: they were just you know, throwing the ball up in
Speaker 1: the magic right. Yeah, that they're gonna You would think
Speaker 1: they go back to Winston. It doesn't really matter. This
Speaker 1: is this is a circus. Let's move on. Thirty five
Speaker 1: yard Carlson masures it out, snap whole care. He's mad,
Speaker 1: he's maided wins the game three one. How about that?
Speaker 1: The second win of the year, both at the expensive
Speaker 1: and a few quarterbacks. I was saying, how come we
Speaker 1: haven't heard Brent Musburger because he calls the radio games
Speaker 1: for the Raiders and they never win. But there he
Speaker 1: is for KGMZ. Daniel Carlson kicked the thirty five yarder
Speaker 1: as the game ended, the Raiders steal a win over
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. It was a showdown of teams jockey for
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the twenty nineteen draft. So
Speaker 1: who really won this game? Anyway? Snaps a five game
Speaker 1: losing street for the Raiders, who wanted. Despite some sidelines
Speaker 1: squabbling between John Bruden and Derek carr West, the Cardinals
Speaker 1: needed to get inventive to blow this one. Well, I
Speaker 1: saw you Dan down in the lab. We we sort
Speaker 1: of passed each other, yead. We'll gave a little like
Speaker 1: knowing look like, hey another day grindings grind thirty. You
Speaker 1: were down there during your homework on the David Johnson
Speaker 1: fifty fifty seven yard run that got called bill due
Speaker 1: to a holding penalty and allowed the Raiders to have
Speaker 1: that drive. Before that play, there was a terrible call
Speaker 1: on Jermaine Gress from personal foul in which Carl Joseph
Speaker 1: was laying on top of fits and all Gresham did
Speaker 1: was pool Carl Joseph off. They got him for fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: which made it third and twenty three before the David
Speaker 1: Johnson run, and that really put the Cardinals in a
Speaker 1: hole on that drive. But they also Josh Minds missed
Speaker 1: an easy interception to drive before that. They could have
Speaker 1: sealed it. They had so many opportunities of seedless game.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much more needs to be
Speaker 1: said about this game, but the Cardinals blew it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had a chance before that personal foul. It was
Speaker 1: heading toward the two minute warning. The Raiders had just
Speaker 1: used their last time out. I think they would have
Speaker 1: gotten the ball back with about a minute and probably
Speaker 1: deepen their on territory. The way it ends up working out,
Speaker 1: they get set up well and then Car leads him
Speaker 1: down the field. Were you tracking the car Gruden soap
Speaker 1: opera on the sideline? Yeah? What was that? Remember the
Speaker 1: report way back in January, even before Gruden got hired,
Speaker 1: that there was concerns that these two personalities and I
Speaker 1: might not mix well. I don't think they're mixing well.
Speaker 1: I I was tracking it and one of their sideline
Speaker 1: reporters really when vehemently said this was way overblown. Everybody
Speaker 1: was smiling just a few minutes later. It's a non
Speaker 1: issue and people are making too much out of it.
Speaker 1: That said, I think that this is what Gruden does
Speaker 1: with all of his quarterbacks ever had Gruden. Gruden got
Speaker 1: into sideline dust ups with rich Gannon all the time,
Speaker 1: Brad Johnson, I mean that it's kind of what Gruden does.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make I would say the play on the
Speaker 1: field is more concerning in terms of their relationship, although
Speaker 1: they're also down their top three receivers. They lost Brandon Fell.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sad that Brandon Fell is one of
Speaker 1: their top three receivers. You got Marcel eight men. Is
Speaker 1: that how you say his name as their number one
Speaker 1: wide out? Now? It is the only thing. The one
Speaker 1: thing I'd say is because when you whenever you see
Speaker 1: the old specials on Bill parcels that he was a
Speaker 1: master at knowing different personalities on his team and how
Speaker 1: to flip the switch on each of them. And if
Speaker 1: Gruden's gonna treat all these quarterbacks the same way, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work with many of them, and hasn't worked
Speaker 1: with Derek Carr at all. This doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 1: gonna go on for two or three more years. One
Speaker 1: positive for the Cardinals, David Johnson went for one thirty
Speaker 1: seventy would have been close to two touchdown if not
Speaker 1: for that whole So Byron Leftwich that change. It seemed
Speaker 1: to help his season. But the Cardinals fall again on
Speaker 1: to Sunday night football Mancusin is looking this way gross
Speaker 1: as intercepted. There goes Headie checks into the ten. Fun
Speaker 1: it's up touch pitch six. Wow, this defense is playing
Speaker 1: magnifficent at Soldier Field. Call it the Orange crushed tonight
Speaker 1: because they are crushing of Vikings. Oh the Bears radio
Speaker 1: network with the call Andie Jackson's fourth quarter pick six
Speaker 1: basically decided this ballgame for the Chicago Bears, a five
Speaker 1: to twenty win over the Minnesota Vikings at home. This
Speaker 1: was the signature win that Bears supporters were looking for.
Speaker 1: That people in this room, the team around the NFL supporters,
Speaker 1: we were waiting for the Bears and show it's a bigger,
Speaker 1: bigger opponent, and the Vikings we think qualifies. Greg the
Speaker 1: Bears big w four wins in a rowther seven and
Speaker 1: three absolutely qualifies. I think that that the moment jack
Speaker 1: and made that pick, that was sort of the moment
Speaker 1: they really became the team of the Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: We exploded. And it does kind of put into light
Speaker 1: that all the focus on Trabinsky in the offense, it's
Speaker 1: not all about that. This is a team sport, and
Speaker 1: the defense won this game for them, forcing turnovers and
Speaker 1: when the offense did have to do something late in
Speaker 1: the game, they got a field goal drive when they
Speaker 1: absolutely need to. And they've played complimentary football over the
Speaker 1: last five weeks. Now they're a game and a half
Speaker 1: up on the Vikings and the belief two and a
Speaker 1: half on the Packers. They're going to run away with
Speaker 1: this division. And it creates a fork in the road
Speaker 1: for the Vikings to who now have to go play
Speaker 1: next Sunday night the green Bay Packers, with a chance
Speaker 1: for those two teams to try each other up at
Speaker 1: the record that's green Bay's. That is a must win
Speaker 1: game for green Bay. But the Vikings suddenly this loss
Speaker 1: changes their fortunes entirely. Top seat turvy year for the Vikings,
Speaker 1: and you know, you wonder now how they react when
Speaker 1: they went cold earlier in the year, they responded with
Speaker 1: a hot streak. And again I don't. I have a
Speaker 1: good buddy from back home was a big Vikings fan
Speaker 1: and he on a weekly basis in our our text
Speaker 1: chain with friends, does not trust Kirk Cousins. Feels like
Speaker 1: he is not a guy that has earned the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt this season despite having some good numbers.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I've seen that on Twitter. That's
Speaker 1: a little bit out in the air with Vikings fans
Speaker 1: and this is not gonna help because you could, you know,
Speaker 1: you had a late touchdown there to to salvage his
Speaker 1: day statistically a little bit. But I think cousins in
Speaker 1: the Vikings offense was not ready for the Bears on
Speaker 1: Sunday night. I think that's a little unfair, But I
Speaker 1: do think it's fair to point out that's unfair to
Speaker 1: put that criticism on Kirk Ok. He's had a very
Speaker 1: good year. I think he's had a good year. He's
Speaker 1: put as many great passes out there as just about anyone.
Speaker 1: But I think it's fair to put point out that
Speaker 1: the Vikings offense really isn't any better than the Bears offense.
Speaker 1: And if these are two a matchup between two defensive teams,
Speaker 1: and the Vikings offense isn't any better than it was
Speaker 1: under case Keenum. That works better, but the offense is worse.
Speaker 1: And if this is a matchup of two great defenses
Speaker 1: and pass rushes, the Bears pass rush showed tonight, and
Speaker 1: I think their playmaking show they're better than the Vikings.
Speaker 1: They're the team of Detales, so we're we were rooting
Speaker 1: for them, but also I just see them as the
Speaker 1: one team in this division that should and could pull
Speaker 1: away from the rest all the Packers had a chance
Speaker 1: on Thursday night. They couldn't handle their business and the
Speaker 1: Vikings couldn't tonight. And you want one of these teams
Speaker 1: to separate. And if the Bears would on Thanksgiving against Detroit,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll be in the process of doing that. Then
Speaker 1: they played the Giants the next week before facing the Rams.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that they have the the Vikings have
Speaker 1: the Packers next week, but then the week after that
Speaker 1: at New England, at Seattle the next three weeks Vikings, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, I think. And when you meant your your
Speaker 1: friend who is a little worried about Cousins. There was
Speaker 1: one difference between him and Drabinsky. You could see tonight
Speaker 1: first drive of the game, Trabisky makes a play out
Speaker 1: of nothing on a third and long to extend the drive.
Speaker 1: They get three points. He did that a couple of times,
Speaker 1: also hit a couple of nights there to Nates in
Speaker 1: the second half, Cousins when the play is breaking down,
Speaker 1: you don't have much faith that he's going to be
Speaker 1: able to make a play on his own. But that's
Speaker 1: not his game. You know who's uh oh, Mark Sesler, Mark,
Speaker 1: what do I need to say that? Sound effects said
Speaker 1: at all. Nice job. I believe Dan and I are
Speaker 1: tied still chasing West coming after him though. You know
Speaker 1: who you know who's on board, by the way, with
Speaker 1: the team of a t L buddy, Chris. This has
Speaker 1: been a stunning attention getting wake up NFL. The Bears
Speaker 1: ain't bad kind of performance side. We said it on
Speaker 1: Thursday in the preview show. We're supporting the Bears. And
Speaker 1: if it was, if we didn't seem like we were
Speaker 1: overflowing with emotion, it's because we haven't had a signature win.
Speaker 1: Big win for the Bears, and if they keep winning,
Speaker 1: they're gonna win this division. They're gonna have a home game.
Speaker 1: Khalil Max back to being Khalil Mack. This team has
Speaker 1: a chance to make some noise in the NFC. Lions
Speaker 1: and Giants the next two weeks. Two very beautiful teams.
Speaker 1: Twenty yards rushing by the Vikings. I mean, that's you
Speaker 1: go to Iago, You're not gonna be able to run
Speaker 1: the ball team Hicks putting it on him. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be nine at three. I like it. All right. That
Speaker 1: is it for UH today's show. UH thank you to
Speaker 1: everybody for listening, and remember that UH a little bit
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