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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas and I have joined in
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Speaker 1: Greg Rosen thought, what is a boys? Hey handon? Happy
Speaker 1: Sunday Night, Happy Sunday night. Week twelves here Thanksgiving? You
Speaker 1: know what they say? Dog football season does not start
Speaker 1: until left to Thanksgiving started. Why does West get a
Speaker 1: prescripted line to start every show? And then the rest
Speaker 1: of us are left searching for something to say. Well,
Speaker 1: West doesn't need to do that prep because he's got
Speaker 1: the locked in low That's what I'm saying catch phrase.
Speaker 1: You guys got to come up with either a a
Speaker 1: catchphrase or a little bit of pre show prep and
Speaker 1: think what do I want to talk about right off
Speaker 1: the top? If anything? I mean, I can lose that
Speaker 1: line after like sevenisode. I don't think anyone is asking
Speaker 1: for that. I just find the entire universe with collapse
Speaker 1: in to itself. If you stop saying how I am?
Speaker 1: I think you did a nice job setting And it's
Speaker 1: this part of the accent. It's the whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: the type Island accent. We got it, so Greg, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of those. It's like one of the two. Uh,
Speaker 1: come with the catch phrase or just you know, before
Speaker 1: the show, think what can I do? What can I add?
Speaker 1: Like China trying to I think this podcast that is
Speaker 1: at its best when you live in the moment, you
Speaker 1: just see where it takes you. You You never even know.
Speaker 1: It's always just a nice blank slate right there. All right,
Speaker 1: ROSA a lot of games to get to. This will
Speaker 1: be a jam packed episode of the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: podcast because we will hit the Thanksgiving shows near the
Speaker 1: bottom of the episodes, so stay tuned for that. UH
Speaker 1: and we will dig into all the UH Sunday action,
Speaker 1: including Sunday Night football with the Packers and the Vikings.
Speaker 1: A lot at stake there, obviously, but let's start with
Speaker 1: the games that we've played earlier today, Oh in a
Speaker 1: hum dinga in Charlotte from thirty yards out for the win,
Speaker 1: the tap, the kick is up, the kick hits through
Speaker 1: the Sahawks when hit Carolina Sebasti Jannetkowski from thirty yards
Speaker 1: out on the last play of the game, and the
Speaker 1: Seahawks have done what they need to do. Yes, they did,
Speaker 1: Steve rival k I r O with the call Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson through thirty nine yards. Two scores and seas still
Speaker 1: around after all these years that thirty one yard or
Speaker 1: as time expired. Uh, to lift Seattle to a thirty
Speaker 1: to twenty seven win over the Carolina Panthers. Uh. Like
Speaker 1: I said in Charlotte, come from behind win for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Three straight losses for Carolina and Seattle is alive and
Speaker 1: well in the NFC playoff picture West. Another gutsy win
Speaker 1: for a Seahawks team with serious mojo. Some of this
Speaker 1: is randomness, but credit them for making plays in the
Speaker 1: red zone. The Panthers should have been ahead by double
Speaker 1: digits in the fourth quarter. They were not because the
Speaker 1: Seahawks stopped them in the red zone, particularly in short
Speaker 1: yardage plays. Brandley McDougall had a great interception in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Um, but if Graham Gano doesn't miss a
Speaker 1: fifty two yard or who knows how this game ends.
Speaker 1: The Panthers had fourner and seventy eight yards of offense,
Speaker 1: which was most Seahawks gave up all year long. And
Speaker 1: for the second straight week, Seahawks win a game in
Speaker 1: which the other team just failed to capitalize. I could
Speaker 1: not agree more with us about how the beginning of
Speaker 1: this game went. Uh. The Panthers marching up and down
Speaker 1: the field really for most of this game against Seattle.
Speaker 1: They get stuffed on near the goal line. On a
Speaker 1: fourth and three carrier from Newton, I thought he got
Speaker 1: the first down west, they did not give the call,
Speaker 1: and upon challenge that did not go to the Panther's
Speaker 1: way either. They went down the field again and got
Speaker 1: stuffed on a McCaffrey run. Will get to McCaffrey in
Speaker 1: a second. So when instead of being up fourteen six
Speaker 1: or having a two score lead, they never were able
Speaker 1: to get any distance well, and the Seahawks defense did
Speaker 1: not play particularly well, but the offense made the big
Speaker 1: place Russell Wilson fourth and three to David Moore, who
Speaker 1: made a one handed catch in the end zone. Uh
Speaker 1: corn Elder was the cornerback on the play who never
Speaker 1: even looked looked back on the play around. Sounds like
Speaker 1: an ancient farmer. He's a three thousand year old farmer
Speaker 1: who was also the bass player in pavements. And then
Speaker 1: Wilson climbed the pocket on that last drive to hit
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett wide open on a coverage bust in the
Speaker 1: red zone and set up the game winner. But um,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks made the plays with the game on the line,
Speaker 1: given credit when I was lock it and really freestyling
Speaker 1: seeing something when the play breaks down, and Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: gave Locket credit and they're they're among the best in
Speaker 1: the league right now at doing that. Russell Wilson is
Speaker 1: certainly at quarterback. And this is the second straight week
Speaker 1: where you start out run run, and Chris Carson they're
Speaker 1: running back set after the game like they were calling
Speaker 1: out some of our plays in the first half thinking
Speaker 1: they were a little too predictable. And then you're counting
Speaker 1: on your quarterback to kind of save you and make
Speaker 1: plays on his own. But they have one of the
Speaker 1: only guys who can actually make that game plan work
Speaker 1: beyond today's game. That's a tough that's a tough loss
Speaker 1: for the old zeuser in the old lock up challenge.
Speaker 1: I thought they were going to come through on this.
Speaker 1: Go ahead Mark, Well, no, but I think you believed
Speaker 1: in the Panthers, and you know it's weird, and I
Speaker 1: now it's sounding like a broken record. I still do.
Speaker 1: I think they win this game eight eight out of ten,
Speaker 1: and I think they've hit a really a lull in
Speaker 1: their season, and once you get to three games you
Speaker 1: start to mess with screwing up your whole season. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I still think there's a team that could be around
Speaker 1: and make noise in January. But this is this is
Speaker 1: an ugly loss. In the last three weeks. I've been
Speaker 1: pretty they can be around because they allow enough teams
Speaker 1: into the playoffs to you know, some of them are
Speaker 1: not the equal of others. But if you want to
Speaker 1: believe in this Seattle and backing in the playoffs, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: they are backing in right now. I'm saying, now they're
Speaker 1: backing they can get out of this to me, they're
Speaker 1: the opposite of Seattle. You you get you respond to
Speaker 1: getting nipped by the Rams by five points by beating
Speaker 1: the Packers, the much ballly Hood Packers knocking off the
Speaker 1: much ballly Hood Panthers, and now you have four home
Speaker 1: games and you're remaining five. You play the Niners twice,
Speaker 1: you play the Cardinals to close the season, and you've
Speaker 1: got a tough one against the Chiefs, but they play
Speaker 1: the Vikings to a team they can beat. Compare that
Speaker 1: to the Panthers, who finish with two out of three
Speaker 1: against the powerhouse Saints, and they they've just they have
Speaker 1: some mojo. Whether they're can be quantified or not, they've
Speaker 1: they've become that team that you can't figure out how
Speaker 1: they won the game at the end of the at
Speaker 1: the end of the games, like how did we lose
Speaker 1: that game to Seattle. But after a while, that's almost
Speaker 1: becoming a repeatable skill for them, And it's strange that there.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's repeatable. I think it's completely random.
Speaker 1: I think it's random, but I think if that's what happened, sir,
Speaker 1: But they then they went and took advantage of it.
Speaker 1: They also had that touchdown from David Moore, who was like,
Speaker 1: like when they fell down in this game, they came back.
Speaker 1: They've they've found a way to stick in games that
Speaker 1: they really had no business winning. Uh. Two more Panthers
Speaker 1: points the Graham Gano, who has been a really great kicker.
Speaker 1: H that was a fifty two yard or so. It's
Speaker 1: not like he shank like a thirty six yard or
Speaker 1: it was a long kick. But that's a guy that
Speaker 1: you you come to depend on, and you knew they
Speaker 1: were in deep trouble as soon as you missed it,
Speaker 1: and they were. And we cannot forget Christian McCaffrey in
Speaker 1: this game. It's getting lost obviously because uh, Seattle pulled
Speaker 1: it out, but franchise record two thirty nine yards from scrimmage.
Speaker 1: He went for one and a touchdown on the ground
Speaker 1: and eleven catches for one fourteen in the air with
Speaker 1: another touchdown. That you won't get much more productive days
Speaker 1: in the league than that. One thing about defense. Carolina's
Speaker 1: defense needs to operate more soundly if they want any
Speaker 1: chance of doing anything. Seattle scores on its final five
Speaker 1: drives with no drive less than seven plays, one of
Speaker 1: them fourteen. I mean that's that's not by chance. That's
Speaker 1: not just magic happening. We've sited their front seven getting older.
Speaker 1: But it's also Eric Washington in his first year as
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. This is not a good first year for him.
Speaker 1: It's not a good debut. They really regressed on defense.
Speaker 1: Am I looking at this right? There's there's six fumbos
Speaker 1: in this game, and the Panthers picked up all six.
Speaker 1: I mean there there's a lot going on. Uh And
Speaker 1: one one more note, I driving into work right as
Speaker 1: games were kicking off. I've caught this a couple of
Speaker 1: times now. The Panthers radio network, mcmixon on the call,
Speaker 1: he does a bit of a brief monologue before immediately
Speaker 1: before kickoff, and it's clear a lot of working too him.
Speaker 1: I heard one involving the Giants game that was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Here's the one that that started today's game. Just to
Speaker 1: give you a little flavor of the mixing effect. After
Speaker 1: the win over Tampa Bay on November the fourth, the
Speaker 1: six and two Carolina Panthers went viral dripping with dripped
Speaker 1: the thumbs up emoji's tore it in. But then, like
Speaker 1: a millennial brain addicted to Facebook, we got a little distracted,
Speaker 1: controlled by the Steelers and then catfished by the Lions.
Speaker 1: The Panthers are now not accepting any more friend request. Instead,
Speaker 1: Carolina is cutting the cord, unplugging and focusing on the fundamentals.
Speaker 1: The semester is flying by, and if the Panthers don't
Speaker 1: get serious, buckle down, our devices will be taken away
Speaker 1: social media. That's what I'm talking about. And then they
Speaker 1: kick off. That's he's not at all. I'm all in, hey,
Speaker 1: old uncle at the at the Thanksgiving table, he said,
Speaker 1: dripping went Millennials set in the end zone, intercepted by
Speaker 1: Shelby Harris, the defensive lineman with the play of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Dave Logan ko A with the call nose tackle.
Speaker 1: Shelby Harris picked up Big Ben's two yard attempt. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was targeting Antonio Brown. But who knows what was
Speaker 1: going on with Ross's Brothelisberger on that throw in the
Speaker 1: end zone one oh three to play. Uh. It effectively
Speaker 1: ended the game, locked up seventeen win for the Broncos
Speaker 1: over the Steelers in Mile High. It's a big loss
Speaker 1: of the Steelers, the lost ground in the race for
Speaker 1: a buy in the a f C and a huge
Speaker 1: win for the Broncos, who got their Play of the
Speaker 1: Year greg from an unlikely source. This game had everything
Speaker 1: you mentioned in the game winning interception by a nose tackle.
Speaker 1: That's got to be the first time that's ever happened,
Speaker 1: ever happened before in NFL history. But before that, we
Speaker 1: had a field goal blocked by Justin Simmons, which he
Speaker 1: has a habit to do, and so I guess it's
Speaker 1: not that weird. A gay half ending fake field goal
Speaker 1: touchdown attempt that went to Alejandro Villa in a WAVA
Speaker 1: give him another Navy Federal Credit Union comer. So after
Speaker 1: that touchdown, I mean, I've never seen that. You had
Speaker 1: a ninety seven yard touchdown throw to Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: a beautiful play by Ben Roethlisberger. I mean, everything was
Speaker 1: going on in this game. You had a fake a
Speaker 1: fumble at the half yard line that went out the
Speaker 1: end zone, the worst rule in football that favored the
Speaker 1: Broncos in that situation because Xavier Grimble couldn't score. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what happens when the Steelers turned the ball
Speaker 1: over four times and the Broncos don't at all that
Speaker 1: the team that's getting pushed around a little bit in
Speaker 1: the game, found a way to win. I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you make of a game like that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's another example of Pittsburgh, you know, with Dan and
Speaker 1: I did a sky segment today asking which team we
Speaker 1: trust more, the Chargers of Steelers, and I confidently said
Speaker 1: that I'm starting to trust the Steelers because of what
Speaker 1: they pulled off last week when they should have lost
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville and turned it around, and then twenty minutes
Speaker 1: later you get this delivered on the platfort. I don't
Speaker 1: think that. I don't think this is a disgraceful loss
Speaker 1: by any stretch. Doesn't accept you've given up. Now you've
Speaker 1: thrust the Patriots back into the by scenario that is
Speaker 1: that's on my radar too. And this is for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: And now, well, the Steelers still have the Patriots, the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and the Saints left on the schedule. But they had
Speaker 1: one six straight games. This is not an easy place
Speaker 1: to be the way that they lost it. Mill and
Speaker 1: millions of others that don't want to see the Patriots
Speaker 1: gonna buy for a ninth straight year the idea of
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Now we'll go into Pittsburgh and lose next week,
Speaker 1: so they'll essentially cancel each other out and New England
Speaker 1: will take care of their business, which is you know
Speaker 1: all and then that's it. That's it. Well, the Steers
Speaker 1: and Patriots play each other, so the Steelers, Yeah, the Steelers.
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is win at home, and you
Speaker 1: can you can control that that situation. The Patriots have
Speaker 1: some tough games left too. But for the Broncos to
Speaker 1: win this game to end a six game winning streak
Speaker 1: a week after you ended another six game winning streak
Speaker 1: by the Chargers, which came a game after you were
Speaker 1: a field goal miss away from beating the Texans to
Speaker 1: aur on a five game winning streak. This team, even
Speaker 1: though they've been outplayed the last two weeks, I think
Speaker 1: they've been better than their record has shown for much
Speaker 1: of the season. They also had two games against the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and one against the Rams there five and six.
Speaker 1: They're only one game out of the wild card. They
Speaker 1: only play one team with a winning record the rest
Speaker 1: of the way, and and you can absolutely see a
Speaker 1: road to them having a relevant Week seventeen possibility to
Speaker 1: get into the play against the Chargers, and they they
Speaker 1: are your classic Berserker team where suddenly you don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with Denver, and you definitely don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with them on the road because they what they've
Speaker 1: done the last two weeks. The only scary situation for
Speaker 1: Broncos fans is you get a little frisky, you go
Speaker 1: eight and eight, maybe you even do something a little
Speaker 1: more than that, and you convince yourselves to keep fans
Speaker 1: Joseph around for another year. Where I feel like fans
Speaker 1: Joseph coaching decisions have cost this team at least two
Speaker 1: games this year, if not more. That's that's fair, but
Speaker 1: at least at least it's if you're at Broncos fan,
Speaker 1: you you got this rookie class, which is just awesome.
Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay third fourteen carries a hundred and ten yards.
Speaker 1: He's so fun to watch it. He was such a
Speaker 1: key in this game. And James Conner barely got the
Speaker 1: ball thirteen carries to only to fifty six throws for
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, and Connor had a killer fumble, one of
Speaker 1: many killer mistakes in this game by the Steelers, But
Speaker 1: you had to I still kind of like Philip Lindsay
Speaker 1: maybe as offensive rookie of the Year. I have not
Speaker 1: given that award to say Kwan Barkley. I don't care
Speaker 1: what the numbers are when you watch him, He's just
Speaker 1: such an impactful player. Ben Roethlisberg only threw one touchdown
Speaker 1: pass uh in this game one of the steel Did
Speaker 1: you mention the fake field goal? I did? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: just a wild game. But he was one of fifty
Speaker 1: and sixty. He made a lot of really good plays
Speaker 1: in this game. I feel like and and like you said,
Speaker 1: the ninety seven yard touched on was a throw out
Speaker 1: of the back of the end zone with a hand
Speaker 1: in his face and the defensive line coming down on him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not tracking this too closely, but
Speaker 1: I feel like he's on pace to throw for about
Speaker 1: seventy four thousand yards this year. I feel like it
Speaker 1: throws for four under at sixty two yards up the week.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. All right, let's move on from thirty two
Speaker 1: yards away, snap bull down, kick is up, It's got
Speaker 1: the distance, it's gone, it's done. The cult tip won it.
Speaker 1: The Coulttell wan it, Matt Taylor, w F and I
Speaker 1: with the call. Andrew Luck through three touchdown passes out
Speaker 1: of Vinetieri knocked through that thirty two yard or as
Speaker 1: clock ran out and the Colts beat the Dolphins. It
Speaker 1: is five straight wins for the team of West tl Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of West Hey Wes, Andrew Luck faced a ten
Speaker 1: point fourth quarter deficit in this one. He don't care.
Speaker 1: This was one of those games where playoff teams and
Speaker 1: the Colts hope to be one half the five in
Speaker 1: a way to win when the Brakes don't go their
Speaker 1: way and they've gotten outplayed, and the Dolphins made more
Speaker 1: big plays in the game, the Colts made more mistakes,
Speaker 1: and then the end of the game, you saw Adam
Speaker 1: Gaze elect to run the ball in third and ten
Speaker 1: with left pump the ball back to Andrew Luck in
Speaker 1: a tie game. And Luck, who we used to say
Speaker 1: when he was early in his career his pocket movement
Speaker 1: is the eighth wonder of the world. And we saw
Speaker 1: that on a miraculous play where he's he ducked under
Speaker 1: a sack and hit Chester Rogers, who after the game,
Speaker 1: Frank Reich says wasn't even in the progressions at all.
Speaker 1: It was just all Andrew Luck finding him and that
Speaker 1: set up the game winner. Um On a day where
Speaker 1: the Dolphins really played their hearts out. They really did,
Speaker 1: and Miami. We said downstairs that the culture doing God's work,
Speaker 1: because unless you're a Dolphins fan, this Miami team is
Speaker 1: not necessarily a team you want hanging around and playing
Speaker 1: a January playoff game because there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: juice around the Dolphins. But you have to give him credit.
Speaker 1: They really did find a way to hang around in
Speaker 1: this game, control of the game, but they couldn't close it.
Speaker 1: And that Greg, I think you kind of a different
Speaker 1: take on this. But the Adam Gays decision third and
Speaker 1: ten deep in his own end, I get that. But
Speaker 1: when you run the ball, you want to give up
Speaker 1: play when you're five and five and you're fighting for
Speaker 1: a playoff spot and you know, damn well on the
Speaker 1: road kicking it back to Andrew Luck who's gonna get
Speaker 1: it around midfield, that you're probably dead. What is that?
Speaker 1: What message does that send team you're the front office
Speaker 1: to the fans. That would drive me crazy, And I
Speaker 1: don't think it helps Adam Gaze come black Monday. I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with you more. I mean, that play said
Speaker 1: so much to me about what they think of their
Speaker 1: passing game. In Ryan Tannehill. I mean, I know he
Speaker 1: isn't Tom Brady, but he's yards in this game. It's
Speaker 1: not like he was bad in this game, right west
Speaker 1: And and it's just it's just setting a message you
Speaker 1: don't you would, you don't trust your quarterback at all.
Speaker 1: And it's not feeling the game because at that point
Speaker 1: of the game, the Dolphins defense was not getting stops.
Speaker 1: They had just given up to orange drives and the
Speaker 1: Colts did it by running two which is so different
Speaker 1: than old Colts teams that that the Colts came back
Speaker 1: in this game in the fourth quarter on one of
Speaker 1: those drives, basically by running the whole time, which which
Speaker 1: is pretty amazing. They don't have a passing game who
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. His numbers weren't that bad, but seventy five
Speaker 1: yards and that came on a fluke play to Laurente
Speaker 1: Carew where you want to jump ball and then just
Speaker 1: ran to the end zone after that. And that's what
Speaker 1: the Dolphins offense has been all year, these fluke big plays,
Speaker 1: and credit them for for actually going through with them
Speaker 1: and making them, but they're not you can't rely on
Speaker 1: them from week to week. I mean, they were banged
Speaker 1: up at wide receiver today to start. Absolutely, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: very big, they're very banged up. They talked about Tannehill
Speaker 1: throwing with significant pain and and he's better that he's
Speaker 1: certainly better than Osweiler. But they say they're not running
Speaker 1: a full offense with banged up receivers and Tannehill playing
Speaker 1: in pain. But that's stead though. You you have you
Speaker 1: have to feel like you're playing with house money when
Speaker 1: you've got to Andrew Luck picks by Vian Howard. So
Speaker 1: to your point, to punt the ball, you're we're in
Speaker 1: a league now where you already gave up the ten
Speaker 1: point lead in the fourth quarter. Right, We're in a
Speaker 1: league where you you go for it, you take chances,
Speaker 1: you you you risk everything. You don't give the ball
Speaker 1: back to Andrew Luck with three plus minutes when they've
Speaker 1: scored on the previous two marches. To me, it's just
Speaker 1: we're all sitting there watching it, and it's like, goodbye, Dolphins,
Speaker 1: because you don't deserve to be in this derby if
Speaker 1: you cannot make the decisions that winning teams, super Bowl
Speaker 1: type teams make, especially yet go ahead, No, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say it's got a hurt and I don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of sympathy for Dolphins fans as a
Speaker 1: Jets fan. But if you're in a near must win game,
Speaker 1: you pick luck off twice on two straight plays, you
Speaker 1: recover a fumble, you partially block a punt, and you
Speaker 1: have a ten point lead in the fourth quarter to
Speaker 1: not be able to close that game out, Uh, that
Speaker 1: is These are the type of losses that stick to
Speaker 1: your ribs and it makes you not want to be
Speaker 1: a football quick question. Had they won this, would we
Speaker 1: be giving them any credit as a as a team
Speaker 1: that we can trust anymore? I would have given them
Speaker 1: a lot of credit because they played there at They
Speaker 1: fought their ass off for three and a half quarter.
Speaker 1: They like that. I still, to me, there were a
Speaker 1: team that I kind of expected to just finish eight
Speaker 1: and eight. I'm not sure how it's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but I just well, we're seeing it. They were on
Speaker 1: that road. I do appreciate, though, um that despite the
Speaker 1: Dome being close today, they didn't make a rain there
Speaker 1: in Indianapos. We thought this game is going to be closed,
Speaker 1: and they got it done. For me, so that's why
Speaker 1: should have been thrown at the are we tracking all
Speaker 1: of your rainmakers? We're tracking I know. I think. Let's
Speaker 1: just we went to and we went to and one.
Speaker 1: This week it rained heavily uh in Philadelphia, lost by
Speaker 1: an extra point in Washington. So two and one. That's
Speaker 1: a great rate of returnment right there. Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 1: She's got the snap looks left. Can't lose choo and
Speaker 1: that's one. Don't talk much friends, give me a correct
Speaker 1: him Donovan with the call w c k Y. Hugh
Speaker 1: Jackson had a front row seat for Baker Mayfield and
Speaker 1: each of his career high four touchdown passes, including that
Speaker 1: five effort by tight end David and Juco and Juco
Speaker 1: Juco and Joko and Joco as the Browns roll over
Speaker 1: the Bengals. This was a game as twenty eight nothing
Speaker 1: before the Bengals even scored a point. Anyway, it's another
Speaker 1: slumpbuster for the Browns. Snap game road losing streak mark.
Speaker 1: The Browns like their rookie passer del dangerous. I couldn't
Speaker 1: help because they kept obviously flashing to Hugh Jackson on
Speaker 1: the sideline. What could be going through this man's mind?
Speaker 1: Because love him or hate him, it's been you get fired.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god. He's watching the players that
Speaker 1: he failed to maximize, devastating the defense that he was
Speaker 1: brought in to save in Cincinnati. He's got the magic touch,
Speaker 1: has no doubt about it. It's I I honestly felt
Speaker 1: for him a little bit because it was such a
Speaker 1: perfect storm of him looking like the utter fool. To
Speaker 1: the point at the end of the game, Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: who was a rookie, essentially refused to really give him
Speaker 1: a hug, gave him sort of a distant, awkward shake
Speaker 1: as they were partying. Ways you had, Damarius Randell. Let's
Speaker 1: hear what Baker Mayfield had to say about that. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like talking. You are me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Left Cleveland goes down to Cincinnati. I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: just somebody that was in our locker room asking for
Speaker 1: us to play for him and then goes do a
Speaker 1: different team we played twice a year. Everybody can either
Speaker 1: spen on it, but that's how I feel. I mean,
Speaker 1: I tweeted out that that comment from Baker Mayfield, and
Speaker 1: it starts this insane I just clicked off Twitter because
Speaker 1: it's all these people going back and forth. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not fair to critique Hugh Jackson. He's just looking
Speaker 1: for another opportunity. Well, I agree with you, and I
Speaker 1: think that Baker Mayfield's more sane. You went there, of
Speaker 1: all places, and it's probably more of a league thing.
Speaker 1: That feels like a conflict of interest to allow someone
Speaker 1: to do that. But he also said, Baker Mayfield, we
Speaker 1: have people we believe in calling plays now, and and
Speaker 1: that's not fiction either because whether it's Freddie Kitchens or
Speaker 1: whoever it is Kitchen, it is. They completely changed the
Speaker 1: game plan from last week where or two weeks ago
Speaker 1: against the Falcons, when it was all wishbone run oriented
Speaker 1: you think you can run against the Bengals to come
Speaker 1: out today with empty sets and filet Cincinnati, and they
Speaker 1: took their foot off the gas in the second half.
Speaker 1: And we should mention that Andy Dalton left the game
Speaker 1: with with a thumb injury on his throwing hand and
Speaker 1: did not return. Jeff Driscoll played, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what will happen with Dalton. There's no concluding evidence at
Speaker 1: the moment that it wasn't Marvin Lewis said it wasn't serious,
Speaker 1: but they're not sure what that means. Mark, that's three
Speaker 1: great Baker Mayfield performances in a row. Soup is pretty
Speaker 1: hot in that kitchens right now? Right? Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: still find this to be a completely humor free bit
Speaker 1: by you. But continue to pick it up NonStop. Don't
Speaker 1: you understand that that's what makes it funny? He looked sensational.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks with him, because he's grown leaps and bounds
Speaker 1: from some of his earlier performance. That's what's going on.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's so exciting to watch Mayfield
Speaker 1: and chub And and Joku, Like I know, there are
Speaker 1: four six and one. They're they're really not totally out
Speaker 1: of the wild curraes. But even even if that isn't
Speaker 1: part of the factor, just to watch these young guys
Speaker 1: play like this is has to be exciting. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better Brown's moment than like
Speaker 1: today in this decade. I know they were, you know,
Speaker 1: they had a winning record with Brian Hoyer and stuff,
Speaker 1: but to rub it in in Hugh's face while you
Speaker 1: now feel like you have a future quarterback and I
Speaker 1: know he's done it over the last few weeks against
Speaker 1: some of the worst defenses in the NFL, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna change over the next few weeks. He'll be tested.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's a beautiful thing. Your biggest road
Speaker 1: halftime lead, since that's getting it done. Hmm, agreed. Hot
Speaker 1: The Bengals just reeling joke. They went through a November
Speaker 1: swoon last year and then Marvin saved his job with
Speaker 1: back to back wins at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: But we their defense looked like this in November of
Speaker 1: last year and they're not the same they. I will
Speaker 1: say this unlike not unlike maybe the Dolphins of some
Speaker 1: degree A J. Green was out, Cordy Glenn was not
Speaker 1: in there that did have an impact on this game.
Speaker 1: They're missing people left, but they're also just look like
Speaker 1: you come out of that Saints disaster and this is
Speaker 1: what you do. There's someone that they're five and six
Speaker 1: and technically they're only one game out, but they really do.
Speaker 1: They do feel like a dead team walking and they
Speaker 1: have for a while. And spare me. The pregame insider
Speaker 1: reports that like whispers are you know increasing that that
Speaker 1: Marvin's just going to hand it off to Hugh at
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Like that's gonna depend on
Speaker 1: if if there is any thought that that could happen.
Speaker 1: That has to depend on how the season ends, and
Speaker 1: if it ends in any way that it's been going
Speaker 1: the last month. There's no way Mike Brown could do.
Speaker 1: You can predict what Mike Brown's gonna do even a
Speaker 1: sand grain of self scouting. You don't hire Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: as your as your head coach. Rank probably thirty seven
Speaker 1: on the list of bizarre things Mike Brown has done.
Speaker 1: Let's move on forty three yard attempt by Jack Elliots
Speaker 1: but kick is away and the kick is It's well done.
Speaker 1: Oh it's been a while since we heard Meryl Reese
Speaker 1: of w i P get that excited. Jake Elliott booted
Speaker 1: a forty three yard field goal through the uprights with
Speaker 1: just twenty two seconds to play. It was the deciding
Speaker 1: points in a win for the Eagles over who had
Speaker 1: a twelve twelve zero lead in this game. They're up
Speaker 1: nineteen three at one point in the second quarter. They
Speaker 1: had a nineteen fourteen lead in the fourth quarter, but
Speaker 1: the Eagles kept on coming and they overtook their rival uh,
Speaker 1: you got your luck, you got your wish of a
Speaker 1: quiet December and Gotham and the Eagles keep themselves alive
Speaker 1: in the NFC East. I don't know what happened in
Speaker 1: this game. The Giants came out and here's another nine set.
Speaker 1: They had their most first half yardage since nine against
Speaker 1: an Eagles defense that was without six of the eleven
Speaker 1: starters they had in their earlier matchup with the Giants.
Speaker 1: They were moving the bullet well that the Eagles had
Speaker 1: given up like nine yards over their previous six quarters
Speaker 1: entering halftime, and then the Giants had negative yards in
Speaker 1: the third quarter, completely went away from say Kwon Barkley.
Speaker 1: After the game, Pat Shermer said we needed to give
Speaker 1: him a spell, rest for a spell. They went away
Speaker 1: from him and he was their offense. The Eagles could
Speaker 1: not stop say Kwon Barkley in the first half. And
Speaker 1: then I have to go back and watch this because
Speaker 1: I honestly have no idea how the Giants blew it.
Speaker 1: I think Pat Shermer went in the tank on his
Speaker 1: play calling and ELI couldn't make plays in the second
Speaker 1: hand well. Odell Beckham had pointed remarks because as we know,
Speaker 1: the Philip Philly secondary's way banged up, and there was
Speaker 1: not a lot of challenging of that secondary in the
Speaker 1: second half. Uh. And maybe we'll learn that Sakon Barkley
Speaker 1: had an injury was dealing with because you're right, he
Speaker 1: was unstoppable in that game. What what before they went
Speaker 1: away from him? And I think the turning point uh
Speaker 1: in the game. And Eli had a nice first half
Speaker 1: and they were piling up the yardage, but he forced
Speaker 1: that throw into coverage over the middle, uh in the
Speaker 1: final seconds when he could have settled for a field
Speaker 1: goal got it back to a two score game. Instead,
Speaker 1: it was intercepted easily, and that kind of from that
Speaker 1: point on, it was a totally different game. I mean,
Speaker 1: here here are some of the First of all, you
Speaker 1: had Cravon LeBlanc covering Odell Beckham in the second half
Speaker 1: of this game. Here's some other people in the Eagles
Speaker 1: secondary or their defense in general. You had Shandon Sullivan
Speaker 1: and Cravon LeBlanc getting the most the most snaps. You
Speaker 1: got Trey Sullivan and uh DeAndre Hall. Even in the
Speaker 1: in the mix there at safety, you had Davante bo
Speaker 1: buzzby uh oar her back. I mean this is I mean,
Speaker 1: their entire secondary are are guys that basically couldn't make
Speaker 1: the team back in September. You also have like you coming,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to say Brugie Hill linebacker.
Speaker 1: It's like this is a mass unit. Michael Bennett went
Speaker 1: down in this game. They had some other injuries, and
Speaker 1: for the Giants not to put any points on the
Speaker 1: board in the second half is wild. Don't let their
Speaker 1: defense off the hook, you know. I said that Thursday.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure their defense is any better in their offense.
Speaker 1: I think their defense is worse than their offense, and
Speaker 1: the Eagles just went through them in the second have
Speaker 1: zach Ertz had a big game, but that's kind of
Speaker 1: like Carson went to season. The only thing predictable or
Speaker 1: reliable about this offense is zach Ertz. I do like
Speaker 1: Josh Adams. I do think that he gives them something
Speaker 1: to cling to down the stretch. Absolutely, he was impressive,
Speaker 1: and he had a fifty seven yard touchdown called back
Speaker 1: on a holding penalty on the opening drive. That was
Speaker 1: a big call in the game. Um, he looks good.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna keep that. He's he's already taken
Speaker 1: over as their leading rushing for the season with about
Speaker 1: three hundred yards, and I think he's gonna keep that
Speaker 1: job the rest of the year. Uh. The Eagles are
Speaker 1: five and six. Redskins and Cowboys, of course, tied the
Speaker 1: top the NFC East at six and five. Let's move on,
Speaker 1: Donny townsends point will be fielded by Cyrus Jones or
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Thirty brings it along the numbers to the forty.
Speaker 1: He's got a blocker, he's a mid field down on
Speaker 1: their sideline. Forty alta thirty like Grace twenty ten five
Speaker 1: touchdown Ravens seventy yard punt return for Cyrus Jones. Jerry
Speaker 1: Sandusky w b L with the call. Cyrus Jones big
Speaker 1: return put the Ravens ahead for good. Gus Edwards and
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson combined for a hundred eighty nine rushing yards
Speaker 1: as the Ravens took care of the Oakland Raiders thirty
Speaker 1: four seventeen him ball, Mar Greg you were bubbly all
Speaker 1: day watching l Jackson here in little sounds from you
Speaker 1: from your cubicle area. Why, because he's a fun player
Speaker 1: to watch. You know that they came out in the
Speaker 1: first half almost trying to prove a point that hey,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson can be a drop back passer, we can
Speaker 1: run a very conventional offense. There was an really even
Speaker 1: any threat of Jackson running any fakes anything like that.
Speaker 1: And he made some throws. He also had two interceptions,
Speaker 1: both of which were tipped, but we're not uh great throws.
Speaker 1: And then the second half you come out and it
Speaker 1: was like, all right, enough of trying to prove a point,
Speaker 1: let's try to win the game. And they basically ran
Speaker 1: the type of offense that they did a week ago.
Speaker 1: Thirteen played drive touchdown, Gus Edwards and Lamar Jackson get
Speaker 1: it going on the ground and Jackson makes some night throws.
Speaker 1: Seventeen played drive touchdown and it those took up so
Speaker 1: much time that it was essentially over after that. And
Speaker 1: I found it very telling after the game that they
Speaker 1: asked John Harbaugh, you know, if Joe Flacco gets his
Speaker 1: job back if he's healthy, and John Harbaugh went out
Speaker 1: of his way not to answer it. And I think
Speaker 1: this is Lamar Jackson's team. It wasn't perfect, but I
Speaker 1: think they want to ride this out and see what happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, and John Harbaugh's name is being whispered about
Speaker 1: for the USC job this morning, hours before they kicked off.
Speaker 1: My one question with the Ravens, because no doubt, Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson is arguably the most electric player in the league
Speaker 1: outside of Sequon Barkley. And last week they run for
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty seven yards. This week, it's what
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty two. We're in a league. We're
Speaker 1: all we're talking about is forget the running back for
Speaker 1: the most part outside of four or five of them,
Speaker 1: and throw the ball left and right and defenses don't matter.
Speaker 1: And the Ravens are coming at this in a completely
Speaker 1: different way. Is that something that the next Ravens coach
Speaker 1: or even Harbaugh is going to try to sustain long term?
Speaker 1: Is this how you play offense with your quarterback rushing
Speaker 1: the ball twenties something times over well? And I'd be
Speaker 1: concerned if he only rushed there once in the first
Speaker 1: half and he ended up with eleven overall and ran
Speaker 1: it well in the second half. You need to have
Speaker 1: a better defense than the one that they've shown lately
Speaker 1: for this to work. They're not really playing game changing
Speaker 1: defense where they have to do The Panthers formula where
Speaker 1: you need the quarterback to move the sticks on third
Speaker 1: downs especially, But it looks like Ozzy Newsome's rookie classes
Speaker 1: saving John Harball's job. You've got Lamar Jackson, Gus the US,
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown's taking over the right tackle. You're starting to
Speaker 1: see Hayden Hurst at tight end. Now this is a
Speaker 1: completely different offense, and I think you don't mess with
Speaker 1: a winning streak. You have to keep playing. Is it
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world. And I know that.
Speaker 1: And we just came up the week where everyone was
Speaker 1: saying football is different. Now football has changed. But the
Speaker 1: idea of those two run heavy drives you you mentioned
Speaker 1: Greg in the second half covered almost sixteen minutes of
Speaker 1: clock time. When defenses can't stop offenses anymore, it's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing to have a team that tries to
Speaker 1: control the clock and keep these offenses off the field.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the Ravens way to win. Maybe it's their
Speaker 1: only way to And it's just so hard right now,
Speaker 1: at least it's so hard to They've turned third and
Speaker 1: five to a running down. It's so hard to stop
Speaker 1: the mess play with Gus Edwards, who had a hundred
Speaker 1: and eighteen yards in the first half. They weren't even
Speaker 1: trying that on third and long or third and five.
Speaker 1: In the second half, it was just easy for them.
Speaker 1: It was either Edwards or Jackson running to the edge,
Speaker 1: moving the ball, and and Jackson's passing numbers don't look great,
Speaker 1: but he had some nice throws. He also had a
Speaker 1: fifty yard dime to John Brown that was called back
Speaker 1: by a holding penalty, So he If anyone who watched
Speaker 1: him in college knows he can throw some pretty passes,
Speaker 1: they just got to kind of figure it out. They've
Speaker 1: had some nice, easy matchups to start out well. He
Speaker 1: also turns the ball over. My one thing is I
Speaker 1: can remember other quarterbacks and we were all fawning over
Speaker 1: mesh points and players running for eight yards from from
Speaker 1: under center, and it's like, you're they have two weeks
Speaker 1: of tape on Lamar Jackson in a bunch of you know,
Speaker 1: scattered plays here and there, And I'm not bemoaning it
Speaker 1: if it works. To Dan's point, it's fine to be
Speaker 1: a different type of offense, but I I I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be concerned about any attack where your quarterback is being
Speaker 1: put out there ten times a game for as a runner.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't love that one. One thing
Speaker 1: he was good at today was pretty much avoided almost
Speaker 1: any hits. There's maybe one play, but it was basically
Speaker 1: a lot of running not of bounds on six yard
Speaker 1: six yard games. Shout out to Matt Juden, by the way,
Speaker 1: who had a forced fumble that turned into a touchdown
Speaker 1: for Terrell Suggs and wound your boy Terrell sucks, I mean,
Speaker 1: not my boy from it sounded like a downstairs. It
Speaker 1: was a great play. But as all Suggs post, that's
Speaker 1: not true at all. I was saying he was not
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player. People got to calm down
Speaker 1: with the future Hall league. Maybe they'll read up on
Speaker 1: Trell Suggs. He's yeah, thank you, that would be my point.
Speaker 1: So next next drive, Judean gets sacks on the first
Speaker 1: next to plays. So three sacks in three plays, which
Speaker 1: almost never see and he celebrated by running into into
Speaker 1: the tunnel thinking it was fourth down. Perfect, it was
Speaker 1: only third down, a time out wound up like he
Speaker 1: came back and you could see a mouthing, oh, I
Speaker 1: thought it was fourth The game was no longer in
Speaker 1: doubt though. That was but you also a shout out
Speaker 1: to you had a nice Uh you like to call
Speaker 1: on the CBS telecast. Oh yeah, I mean when you
Speaker 1: can find word play like this, you gotta let Tim
Speaker 1: Posty cut it up and play it. They love crafts
Speaker 1: share in Baltimore Crabtree touchdown. I mean you got You
Speaker 1: gotta know that he was worked shopping that for a while.
Speaker 1: You gotta know that there are multiple meanings attached to
Speaker 1: that potentially. Gotta be careful. Let's let's isolate that for
Speaker 1: future Ravens use by the way, let's go. Rick Brady
Speaker 1: takes the staff late pressure of throat on the middle
Speaker 1: for a crockpen, lunches, catch, absorb the contact, and fools
Speaker 1: in the young zone for a touchdown. Patriots to what
Speaker 1: you get the big boy back? Oh god, you know
Speaker 1: what that was? Bob Soggy and human gait raaide bottle
Speaker 1: Scott Zolak with the call h W b Z, Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski. They do something that they hadn't done since
Speaker 1: week one, which is hook up on a touchdown. It
Speaker 1: opened the scoring for the Patriots in the end. They
Speaker 1: pushed past the Jets thirteen at the meadow Lands. Uh.
Speaker 1: If this is your thing. Some people it's their things.
Speaker 1: Some people they're not. It's not. Brady is now the
Speaker 1: NFL's all time passing yardage leader, So congrats on that.
Speaker 1: TV twelve fluting playoffs, which to me is how stats
Speaker 1: should be. I agree with you on that. Uh. This
Speaker 1: one followed a very similar script when these teams play
Speaker 1: in Jersey, especially uh in the Todd Bowls era, which
Speaker 1: could not end soon enough by the way, the Jets
Speaker 1: hang around for two or three quarters before the Pats
Speaker 1: pull away. Uh. Same deal here, and um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: I was. I came out of this game. Really, if
Speaker 1: you're a Patriots fan, you're you're okay. But Brady he
Speaker 1: had a cut on his thumb that I think affected
Speaker 1: his accuracy, so maybe he wasn't as sharp or maybe
Speaker 1: that also goes back to hashtag gradual decline. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a thing. But today was a good day because Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle was running through massive holes in the Jets defensive
Speaker 1: line and the and in general. The Pats had no
Speaker 1: problem uh carving up the Jets, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: hired a defensive head coach. And this is what they
Speaker 1: get about five yards of total offense for the Pats
Speaker 1: So the Patriots are eight and three, and like we said,
Speaker 1: with that Steelers loss, Greg, they are now in position
Speaker 1: for that second bye, and uh, this is what they
Speaker 1: gotta do. They just and this is what they're so
Speaker 1: good at Greg in November and December. They just pile
Speaker 1: up wins while other teams go through highs and lows
Speaker 1: and they If you're a Patriots fan like me, you're
Speaker 1: looking for, Okay, what can they be building off of?
Speaker 1: The essentially at nine offensive drives in this game and
Speaker 1: they got five yards, So it was a really good
Speaker 1: offensive game, even if if they struggled a bit in
Speaker 1: the red zone, they moved the ball. You get Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle back healthy. It looked like he was banged up,
Speaker 1: but to me, he makes such a difference in their offense.
Speaker 1: They just really need him, and I think he plays
Speaker 1: to the strength of that offensive line. And Gronk is
Speaker 1: back healthy, makes one big play, not an efficient thing.
Speaker 1: Looks okay, he's still looked like the clothes somebody trying
Speaker 1: to get an ecrow for a tweet I had last
Speaker 1: week that we're in the post Rock era. We are
Speaker 1: in the post Rock era, but he's still capable of
Speaker 1: making plays. And he did here with three valuable though, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, And so if you have him and Gordon
Speaker 1: cut off five of his targets for seven years, and
Speaker 1: that's a game to build off. It's nothing crazy, But
Speaker 1: this is what the Patriots should do to the Jets'
Speaker 1: Is Jamal Adams the only reason to watch Jets games
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, And isn't that sad? Because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a safety a reason to watch. As
Speaker 1: much as I love Jamal Adams and he really is
Speaker 1: a player, and maybe even at all pro um he is,
Speaker 1: there's there's no playmakers on the Jets defense. Well, you're
Speaker 1: Todd Bowls. You've had a thousand days to fix what
Speaker 1: the previous coaching staff struggled with is you can't rush
Speaker 1: the passer and they still have no one to do it,
Speaker 1: and you're getting gashed on the ground. And to your point, Dan,
Speaker 1: I mean everything that Todd Bowls would try to sell
Speaker 1: an ownership group on what he adds, he no longer adds.
Speaker 1: So the season cannot and then quick enough for the
Speaker 1: Jets who need a coach to come in and enough
Speaker 1: with this nonsense where you do not develop offense like
Speaker 1: it's been so long in New York. Come on, who
Speaker 1: else can get out of New York fast enough? Is uh?
Speaker 1: The offensive coordinator um who I'm so disgusted with I've
Speaker 1: cast his name out of a name out of my mind.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bates, who called like fifty five like passing attempts
Speaker 1: or something absurd of that in that nature for a
Speaker 1: forty five passing attempts or Josh McCown in this game
Speaker 1: against the Patriots run defense that you could have moved,
Speaker 1: You could have moved the ball on. He doesn't know
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Bowls is completely lost and worse than
Speaker 1: worse than worse than all It's like this was a
Speaker 1: game it had circled on the calendar. These were the
Speaker 1: fun games, and oh now I got Sam Donald and
Speaker 1: we get to see him go against Brady. But here
Speaker 1: we are. The Jets are boring, They're irrelevant, and that
Speaker 1: there's nothing to be learned or gleaned from the rest
Speaker 1: of the season. Uh. And I'm just waiting for the
Speaker 1: season then, and I'm sick of it. I'm sick and
Speaker 1: waiting until January one and then hoping for a brightens.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible reality as a fan, and like I'm
Speaker 1: very happy for you, Mark, but it like it doesn't
Speaker 1: make it any better that I see other teams. It's
Speaker 1: not pleasurable like starting to see prog Us And I'm
Speaker 1: really happy because I was sick of the Browns being
Speaker 1: bad too, But like the Jets, is just another wasted
Speaker 1: season in this game, I get. I derive no pleasure
Speaker 1: from watching the Jets, least at least though the one
Speaker 1: ray of hope is that you didn't draft Ryan Leaf.
Speaker 1: The quarterback isn't the reason that that they're crumpling. It
Speaker 1: would be nice to see him back on the field.
Speaker 1: But you're right, and you would love to see him
Speaker 1: do some positive things. Sam Donald, that is down the stretch,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna ultimately be for a staff that he's
Speaker 1: not working for next year. Anyways. It's just get it
Speaker 1: and I don't need to see Josh McCown anymore. I
Speaker 1: love the guy. I hope he ends up in a
Speaker 1: booth or on a coaching staff. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't care to watch him play for three hours on
Speaker 1: a Sunday. Patrioch go down on his career. Patriots spend
Speaker 1: a lot of their season trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: their guy who their guys are, and they do feel
Speaker 1: like they have sort of a pecking order here on offense,
Speaker 1: with Edelman now looking a little more like himself, with
Speaker 1: Hogan making a couple of plays as a fourth receiver.
Speaker 1: They're healthier than they have been on defense. If you're
Speaker 1: a Patriots hater they like it doesn't surprise me. They
Speaker 1: came out of the bi and beat the Jets here,
Speaker 1: But I think there's a legitimate reasons to think that
Speaker 1: they can play better down the stretch. They're healthy. Hey, Erica,
Speaker 1: first of all, congratulations. Second of all, Um, eighteen straight
Speaker 1: seasons with a five hundred record or better for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: So that would mean you were probably like five or something. Uh,
Speaker 1: two thousand two. I was in second grade. Tough year.
Speaker 1: The second grade must have been tough. You were born
Speaker 1: with Mark and I were starting college. Do you remember
Speaker 1: all that? You know, like a lot of people just
Speaker 1: wondering whether Bledsoe really mixed with Bellack or what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like Greg trying to cook up his early
Speaker 1: nine nineties memories that he actually does not possess of
Speaker 1: the Patriots not being good. What does that mean? What
Speaker 1: it means? Exactly? What I just you're saying the Patriots
Speaker 1: were good in in the nine nineties or the nine eighties,
Speaker 1: Rod Rust and Dick McPherson. I mean I can look
Speaker 1: up their coaches names two on Pro Football Reference if
Speaker 1: I want to. Um, that would cut deep. Um. One
Speaker 1: last note before we move on, Cordurel Patterson. Um decided
Speaker 1: to grab my boy Henry Anderson's balls. I love Henry Anderson.
Speaker 1: He's a nice little pick up by Mike mccagnan, who
Speaker 1: you're also on my list, buddy watch out. Uh you
Speaker 1: also said you're gonna come on our show, Mark, Uh, well,
Speaker 1: he did not officially officially haven't been on the show yet.
Speaker 1: That doesn't help you pursue him. An, I sure did, Mark.
Speaker 1: I reached out to the Jets, did I did? I
Speaker 1: mean he's listening to any of these episodes. He knows.
Speaker 1: It's just he's gonna come in here and get lash.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, man, I'm hitting out anyway. Cordell Patterson, UM, Wow,
Speaker 1: was caught on CBS. I haven't seen you this, Matt
Speaker 1: since like the Rainmaker sound drop about twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 1: You're really inflating your sense of importance if you think
Speaker 1: I have an issue with the Rainmaker. I just wish
Speaker 1: you would. What I do wish you would do with
Speaker 1: the Rainmaker is just it's just to really get the
Speaker 1: bit right, pick a Rainmaker and one ramaker. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you you said, like the bit
Speaker 1: of it, that it's making you upset, that that it's
Speaker 1: what's the most fine. I have no problem with the Rainmaker.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help you, you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: with the Rainmaker. I think one focused Rainmaker would make
Speaker 1: everyone happy. But that's not Greg's aim here, right exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: if that's the aim, that's fine. Just we're just gonna
Speaker 1: have fun here at Seasons. You're having fun, Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: be fun. Being that you were just talking about high
Speaker 1: level gambling ring behind the scene, I mean, I wish
Speaker 1: I was actually making money off of any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to do that, so we're not allowed
Speaker 1: to tell us you're doing that. So Cordy Patterson grabbed
Speaker 1: the Jets players junk and uh, this is what Patterson
Speaker 1: said when questioned after the game. I'm a grown man.
Speaker 1: I don't need no one's ass and censored and censored
Speaker 1: in my face, which is fair, but maybe don't grab
Speaker 1: the guy's junk that's also fair. It feels like we
Speaker 1: canna agree on both of those statements. Sure, let's move
Speaker 1: on Jacksonville. Second and ten from the two to the
Speaker 1: snap board, is gonna throw it fires down the middle,
Speaker 1: it has tipped. It is intercepted by Jordan Poyer up
Speaker 1: around the eighteen. Are vying Warrior goes down there. The
Speaker 1: Bills pick it off on second down, and now they're
Speaker 1: in field goal range with five oh one left to play. Oh,
Speaker 1: John Murphy w g R. With the call, don't you
Speaker 1: look past those Buffalo Bills. Josh Allen's whore the go
Speaker 1: ahead touchdown fourteen yard run in the fourth quarter. The
Speaker 1: Bills handle the Jaguars one. Oh my goodness, Jacksonville. Greg.
Speaker 1: The thing most people will remember about this game, assuming
Speaker 1: they recall anything at all, will be the fight and
Speaker 1: injections of Leonard Fournette and shock lawsuit. It was part
Speaker 1: of an incredible sequence if this game, you know, had
Speaker 1: a little more lasting impact that involved a great touchdown,
Speaker 1: near touchdown catch being nullified, a fight, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: with some Haymakers at least being attempted by Fournette and
Speaker 1: laws and they're both kicked out. The fight continues into
Speaker 1: the into the alley, or not the alley would have
Speaker 1: been great, saw check lawsuit having to be held back.
Speaker 1: Then another Jaguars touchdown being nullified, then a terrible sack
Speaker 1: that Blake Bortles takes, Then a missed field goal by
Speaker 1: Josh Lambeau which Sean McDermott celebrates like they just won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It's a tie ball game here at
Speaker 1: the end of the third quarter, and then Josh Allen
Speaker 1: making a play and uh, this this game was really
Speaker 1: out of throws seventy four runs and it's very telling
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars treat Blake Bortles just like the Bills
Speaker 1: treat Josh Allen, which is that they don't really let
Speaker 1: him throw the ball. What do you think of Josh Allen?
Speaker 1: I think he had a fun game to watch. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know he I'm not gonna get carried away when
Speaker 1: he I think he completed eight passes in this game,
Speaker 1: but a couple of them were beautiful throws, and he
Speaker 1: ran the ball for almost a hundred yards and I
Speaker 1: like that after his first run of the game, he's
Speaker 1: talking trash right in the Jaguars his face, and when
Speaker 1: he scored a big touchdown to go ahead touch down,
Speaker 1: he does the Jalen Ramsey touchdown celebration. So I like
Speaker 1: that he's out there at least feeling himself. Jaguars are
Speaker 1: now three and eight. They've dropped seventh straight. It's their
Speaker 1: longest losing streaks since they lost nine straight in sixteen.
Speaker 1: When that happened, Gus Radley got canned and replaced by
Speaker 1: Doug Moron. Doug's gotta watch out if this thing is
Speaker 1: starting to really get ugly. Now. I think he'll be okay.
Speaker 1: I think he'll survive no matter what. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: You gotta win a game. Alan had a hundred one
Speaker 1: yards on the ground before two kneel downs and yeah
Speaker 1: eight for nineteen throwing the ball. The boardles thing is crazy, though,
Speaker 1: that they just that you're watching this game. I see
Speaker 1: Alan as a rich man's boardles and boardles. It has
Speaker 1: not made any progress in the five years that he's
Speaker 1: in the league. He still looks like a poor man's
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. They've got some Redskins level offensive line issues
Speaker 1: to Eric Flowers played left tackle today, Andrew Norwell their
Speaker 1: big off season signing hit an ankle injury today. They
Speaker 1: lost their center and right guard in the two weeks before,
Speaker 1: so they are really and and they lost four Nett,
Speaker 1: who was running very well and is the key to
Speaker 1: their offense. Let's move up. Rivers under center, fakes the handoff,
Speaker 1: rolling to his right, standing the play still rolling to
Speaker 1: his right, throws to the end zone, caught touchdown Keenan Allen.
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers stage perfect it throws his third score of
Speaker 1: the day. Nothing there initially, and I'm sitting here thinking
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers about to throw his first incompletion, You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to throw the ball away. But he never gave
Speaker 1: up on the play, No he didn't. DJ moved those sticks,
Speaker 1: Matt Money and Daniel Jeremiah with a call for k
Speaker 1: f I. Philip Rivers tied the NFL record for consecutive
Speaker 1: completions that throw a Keenan Allen. It was also great
Speaker 1: played by Alan who kept on moving and moving and
Speaker 1: finding a little window. These guys have are are locked
Speaker 1: in right now anyway, So Rivers tied the record for
Speaker 1: most completions to start a game and the highest percentage
Speaker 1: in the game. As the Chargers whooped up on the
Speaker 1: Cardinals the stub or at the hub, we're at the
Speaker 1: center Rivers. Probably is there some m VP Levet too, right, Mark?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, he's always forgotten and it doesn't
Speaker 1: help that he's playing in a city where he's absolutely
Speaker 1: playing second fiddle to everything that the Rams are doing
Speaker 1: right now. Yes, I mean, how many fiddles can there be?
Speaker 1: Because that stadium Clippers fiddle is like playing louder A
Speaker 1: little bit louder, a little bit louder. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I want to get to the stadium thing in a second.
Speaker 1: But they're one concerning issue. Melvin Gordon, who came in
Speaker 1: with knee and hip issues, left with a injury on
Speaker 1: his other knee, which the LA the latest time seen
Speaker 1: here is that Eric Williams of ESPN thinks it's an
Speaker 1: m c L, which is much obviously better than an
Speaker 1: A c L, and they feel like he could return
Speaker 1: but may miss the Steelers game next week, which is critical.
Speaker 1: They do have one of the more deeper, intriguing backfields
Speaker 1: in the league and those in Austin. Ekeler came in
Speaker 1: later and played fantastically. They did everything you could ask
Speaker 1: for on offense, and Joey Bosa made a couple of
Speaker 1: big plays. The Cardon is to me are an absolute
Speaker 1: lost cause. But if you want to pull one thing hopeful,
Speaker 1: I thought their first drive with Rosen and David David
Speaker 1: Johnson was promising, but it's more of the same. It's
Speaker 1: just a flatlining team that has to question that they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep their coach around. This was a Chargers game
Speaker 1: for me because they got down early where they bounced
Speaker 1: back well after that lost to Denver, and I do
Speaker 1: I do, I do think that they can go into
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and beat them, but I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can do that without Melvin Gordon. That was my biggest
Speaker 1: takeaway from watching the game. When they fall behind ten
Speaker 1: nothing after what we saw in the fourth quarter of
Speaker 1: the previous Sunday, you're like, oh, man, of this, the
Speaker 1: charge is gonna charge her here. And then they just
Speaker 1: what They roll forty five straight points out and they
Speaker 1: just score every time they have the ball, and it's
Speaker 1: just another reminder. I mean, this is you shouldn't you know,
Speaker 1: not get lollipops for beating the Cardinals at home, but
Speaker 1: for a Chargers team that has demons and a and
Speaker 1: a game that in past years could easily been a
Speaker 1: trap game for an organization like this. With the Steelers
Speaker 1: on deck, you gotta give them credit for that. They
Speaker 1: had one one one series and I thought absolutely showed
Speaker 1: that they are not previous Chargers teams where z and
Speaker 1: through an absolutely awful and sometimes you see this from
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, like the decision on a throw, it's just
Speaker 1: an absolute bad decision. And he threw a terrible pick
Speaker 1: in this game to Derwin James, and then right away
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon shotguns for a touchdown. It's like, that's what
Speaker 1: this team can do. They're so explosive. So I am
Speaker 1: concerned if Gordon's not in there. I'll give him a
Speaker 1: little lollipop at least for blowing them out for allowing
Speaker 1: essentially no yards after those first two drives. Dumb dumb
Speaker 1: one of those, yeah, like one of the dentist. Maybe
Speaker 1: a bank lolly, which months old? Good teams do they
Speaker 1: blow up bad teams? You know, I gotta sneaky hot take.
Speaker 1: The dumb dumb is way up there in the lollipop rankings.
Speaker 1: The mystery one, well, I like the cherry and it's
Speaker 1: like the apple crazy Now Scotch number one in my
Speaker 1: ring back set. Come on, butter Scotch out there like
Speaker 1: that number one by far, I'll take blow pop right there. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's a good picktpop lasts longer. I mean it's got
Speaker 1: come inside. Please let's move. Once someone has protection that
Speaker 1: starts to break down. Rolling to his right, he throws
Speaker 1: the ball against his body. Whine open, Panna, harpers of
Speaker 1: the chan to the five companies only to one top
Speaker 1: stop Tampa Bay Breeze, Father Carnage. If the sound of
Speaker 1: Jean Decker off of f you asked, Davis wit the
Speaker 1: through for three twelve and two touches. The Bucks easily
Speaker 1: handle the wretched Niners seven to nine. That snaps a
Speaker 1: four game skid for Tampa Bay. The Niners. Meanwhile, at
Speaker 1: two and nine, they seem to be gunning for that
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. Good luck to them, Mark. Life
Speaker 1: is better for the Bucks when the quarterback isn't constantly
Speaker 1: throwing it to the other team. Yeah, if you this
Speaker 1: is a Greg Rosenthal special, because this may have been
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston's best game of the year. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: not turning the ball over like a wild you know,
Speaker 1: interception robot. He thought he played pretty well. I know
Speaker 1: what my name associated with this game as a GREG,
Speaker 1: but why would one build an interception? Right? Yeah? Like, well,
Speaker 1: some teams seem like that's exactly what they want to do.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you can find a low, like to
Speaker 1: middling game that's gonna be last on your game path rankings,
Speaker 1: that's your GREG. If you were to isolate just Winston's game,
Speaker 1: you could, I think you could come out with something
Speaker 1: to bolster your argument that Winston is a quarterback to
Speaker 1: stick around too. I overall I don't buy into that.
Speaker 1: But one question I come out of this with the
Speaker 1: forty Niners there, so they all they were so banged up,
Speaker 1: No Pierre Garson, no Marquis Goodwin. Today they had nothing
Speaker 1: and so Nick Mullins was totally exposed against a terrible defense.
Speaker 1: But they just couldn't get anything. I cannot help but
Speaker 1: wonder because they also had to waive Reuben Foster after another,
Speaker 1: you know, charge of domestic violence. So that's that's another
Speaker 1: draft class going a bit wayward. The overall build above
Speaker 1: the Niners that if they had Jimmy g this entire year.
Speaker 1: One thing that keeps lingering last couple of games is
Speaker 1: would there be much more fierce criticism for a Niners
Speaker 1: team that might have maybe four wins, because I don't
Speaker 1: see them suddenly ripping off nine wins just because Jimmy
Speaker 1: G's in the lineup. This is not a very good team.
Speaker 1: That's fair. They deserve some criticism. Well so that those
Speaker 1: draft picks, I mean, Stalomon Thomas and Ruben Foster in
Speaker 1: the first round. I mean that's Solomon Thomas is not
Speaker 1: on the field in key situations. He's not really adding much.
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's a run stopper that plays half
Speaker 1: the snaps and isn't standing out. And Foster, I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, that's the most significant thing. Had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this game. But as you mentioned, released over
Speaker 1: the weekend, after you know, another arrest, and the fact
Speaker 1: that they took they took him back over the summer,
Speaker 1: and that that was Lynch's first class, you are wondering
Speaker 1: where the criticism is, and I think it's gonna it's
Speaker 1: coming right now. I think in the Bay Area at least,
Speaker 1: this is kind of the inflection point. Also that you
Speaker 1: weren't competitive with a Buck with the total pass. I
Speaker 1: think he's getting one because there's no question that everyone
Speaker 1: or should this team be more. Here's the one thing.
Speaker 1: If you say that Kyle Shanahan's asset is that he
Speaker 1: coaches quarterbacks, well he has done that this year. I
Speaker 1: mean he creates offense. Matt Breed is leading the league
Speaker 1: in yards from scrimmage. They've had so many injuries. I
Speaker 1: think he's a great offensive mine and he's shown it.
Speaker 1: That's like a John Harboe situation. To me, what do
Speaker 1: you gonna do. Let Kyle Shanahan go and watch someone
Speaker 1: else scoop him up and start winning with a great offense.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a Shanahan issue. It's just you're
Speaker 1: two years into this and the talent on the team
Speaker 1: is there's a long way to go, and maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they inherited They inherited junk. We know that it was
Speaker 1: a problematic franchise when they arrived, So it's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, to the state to you know, burn them
Speaker 1: at the stake kind of thing. But it's just that
Speaker 1: it is an ultra free pass because you lost your quarterback.
Speaker 1: The Reuben Foster situation, it's ugly and he did nothing
Speaker 1: this season on the field. Uh, they stuck with him.
Speaker 1: We'll see how this new case pans out, but there's
Speaker 1: a chance that this is a first round pick that's
Speaker 1: done in the league because, Uh, it's just there's a
Speaker 1: different viewpoint on how these things, how they come off
Speaker 1: now that it wasn't like this five or ten years ago.
Speaker 1: And you wonder if he done playing, and if so,
Speaker 1: I mean, what a waste, what a waste of potential. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's something that's I mean, everything about it is unsavory
Speaker 1: and disappointing, but there's something a little extra that he
Speaker 1: played extremely well as a rookie and then they make
Speaker 1: excuses to keep him and then he's struggling this season
Speaker 1: and then you cut him right away. Let's before we
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Speaker 1: second out of ten and here's the snap to Daniel
Speaker 1: back on a play fake looking right, throws right, got
Speaker 1: called up and makes the Cats of the Ends tuckxdown Bears.
Speaker 1: Let's spend through these Thanksgiving games, starting with the Bears
Speaker 1: Chase Daniels, starting from Mitch Robisky through a queer high
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, the Bears keep rolling the team of a
Speaker 1: t n A over the Lions of Mark Daniel did
Speaker 1: his job, but a lot of the credit has to
Speaker 1: go to the Bears defense, which stifled and Undermann Detroit attack.
Speaker 1: Oh Man Eddie Jackson five touchdowns on defense in two seasons,
Speaker 1: and it seems like if you play the Bears, you
Speaker 1: almost have to factor in that they're going to score
Speaker 1: on you with their defense, probably once a week because
Speaker 1: it happens over and over. And to me, this was
Speaker 1: another argument for Chicago's coaching staff because this is not
Speaker 1: a team that goes high and low the very consistent
Speaker 1: week to week. This was a rather blase game. But
Speaker 1: you were able to coach up Chase Daniel to do
Speaker 1: what we've we should expect backup quarterbacks to do, but
Speaker 1: you often don't get is come in and just deliver
Speaker 1: a rather vanilla performance. But he also I thought he
Speaker 1: showed great chemistry with his running backs. There was a
Speaker 1: great wheel route. Who was the guy that caught and
Speaker 1: he missed calling on what would have been another touchdown,
Speaker 1: But there was another guy that got a touchdown too.
Speaker 1: I forgot who was, but I had it. Mizzelle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like that. He just seemed to be He seemed
Speaker 1: to run the offense well. I thought that Allen Robinson
Speaker 1: had a great watching this game. Taylor Gabriel is part
Speaker 1: of it, so you didn't see a huge fall off.
Speaker 1: It's a well coached team and you got the result
Speaker 1: that you thought you would and someone got their luck.
Speaker 1: M hmm, that's right. Well it was not me because
Speaker 1: I'd switched to the Browns, but that was me and
Speaker 1: watching watching this game in the fourth quarter, and I
Speaker 1: know Daniel moved the ball pretty well. His numbers look great,
Speaker 1: seven for thirty seven to thirty and two. I think
Speaker 1: if you watched, you know, you could see the reasons
Speaker 1: why he's a backup, but he did his job. When
Speaker 1: it was mid fourth quarter, I'm watching it, the Lions
Speaker 1: have the ball and I'm thinking, like the defense here
Speaker 1: for the Bears is going to have to make a
Speaker 1: play I think for them to win this game. Like
Speaker 1: that's that. It just felt like that's kind of what's next.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it was special teams, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they do, and that's that's what great defenses can do.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're a shutdown group by any means.
Speaker 1: The Lions still move the ball pretty well, but it's
Speaker 1: amazing that in a game where they sort of needed
Speaker 1: their defense to make a play at the end. They
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, can you get Matthew Staffords and
Speaker 1: playmakers around him? Let's hit there, hard watch right now,
Speaker 1: and a good job by the Bears on eighty five
Speaker 1: hours rest to win another football game. But it's hard
Speaker 1: watching Stafford on the field with a bunch of Hammondaggers.
Speaker 1: They have been a hard watch for twenty years. Carry on,
Speaker 1: Johnson and Marvin Jones are dynamic, and they're missing, and
Speaker 1: their backups are a huge step down the Bears. Car
Speaker 1: Blunt played pretty well in this, he did, but I
Speaker 1: still think it's a He's a huge step down. The
Speaker 1: Bears need to fix their running game though, to go
Speaker 1: into Denver and run the ball with their two running
Speaker 1: backs ten times for twenty seven yards, and that this
Speaker 1: is not necessarily a new problem. They've been pretty up
Speaker 1: and down. That that could get getting the way of
Speaker 1: winning some big games. You met Detroit, I meant Chicago,
Speaker 1: Tarik Cohen and just into Denver. He sure did, he
Speaker 1: met Detroit. Let's move on. He looks the throw pockets
Speaker 1: clean over the middle. He's got Cooper. Cooper cuts back
Speaker 1: into there. He goes across the fifty. It's a fun
Speaker 1: rice forty forty twenty really get their ten. He reaches
Speaker 1: out and he's into the ends. Touchdown down. Brad Sham
Speaker 1: of Sham God of k r l D with the call.
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is making Jerry Jones look like a very
Speaker 1: smart football man. He scored two touchdowns, including that ninety
Speaker 1: yard romp in a three Cowboys win over the Redskins
Speaker 1: moves Big D into a first place tie in the
Speaker 1: NFC East West. Is Dallas, once left for dead at
Speaker 1: three and five, now have a favorite in this division.
Speaker 1: I think they've been the favorite for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: They're playing better than the other two teams. I think
Speaker 1: the Redskins, not only over the last few weeks, have
Speaker 1: seen their season dealt a severe blow. They've seen their
Speaker 1: franchise delt a severe blow. Their franchise quarterback, who uses
Speaker 1: his athleticism as his major calling card, has a spiral
Speaker 1: fracture and might not be ready for the start of
Speaker 1: this season. And at age thirty five, you wonder if
Speaker 1: we'll ever be the same. This is beginning to feel
Speaker 1: like a lost season and a lost few years. The Cowboys,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you know they I thought people
Speaker 1: jumped on the Amari Cooper trade way too early, were
Speaker 1: too quick to say it was a bad trade, and
Speaker 1: you've seen transforms this offense. I don't like giving up
Speaker 1: a first round pick for a guy whose contracts about
Speaker 1: to run out, So you're forced to pay big money
Speaker 1: to a MARII Cooper even if you got B minus results.
Speaker 1: But he absolutely has been a game changer. I thought
Speaker 1: this last game he actually helped create one of the
Speaker 1: only celebrations that I've enjoyed, which was that foul shot
Speaker 1: through the uprights after he scored. I think you can
Speaker 1: see that for years though he had the Marquelle Folks
Speaker 1: thing going. I I actually I sensory like turn off
Speaker 1: to most of the celebrations, so if it's been out
Speaker 1: for years, I might have missed it. But I thought
Speaker 1: that was the camera angle to look nice. That did
Speaker 1: a good job with it. I was the nine touchdown
Speaker 1: is the one that gets the juice. But uh, Cooper
Speaker 1: his first touchdown where he just kind of ran away
Speaker 1: from the secondary. It just showed how especially is his
Speaker 1: athleticism is great. Uh. And the Cowboys get another big
Speaker 1: game out of Zeke Elliot, who's getting the ball a ton,
Speaker 1: but he keeps on saying feed me. He does the
Speaker 1: spoon thing. And but that's been working because he's putting
Speaker 1: up about a hundred fifty don a touchdown to two
Speaker 1: every week. You spare me the okay? Now, is Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott in the m v P going to have to
Speaker 1: call this game? So many different ways he's he said,
Speaker 1: people are gonna be talking about the Amari Cooper trade
Speaker 1: is a good trade, absolutely, and that Zeke is an
Speaker 1: m v P K give you a break, Like, in
Speaker 1: what world is Ezekiel Elliott even remotely close to as
Speaker 1: valuable as Patrick Mahomes or Drew Brees. So those are
Speaker 1: the only two guys that even need to be in
Speaker 1: the conversation. But even if you extended it out to
Speaker 1: five or six, which you shouldn't. This isn't the NBA.
Speaker 1: You don't vote for five guys like he's nowhere near
Speaker 1: Breeze or Mahomes. He wouldn't even to me, he's not
Speaker 1: even close to Philip Lindsay more valuable than Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: Now that's a different the way that they take that
Speaker 1: award and it and it's not called the most Valuable
Speaker 1: Rookie it's called offensive rookie there. Maybe that changes it,
Speaker 1: but to me, Zeke is nowhere near a franchise quarter.
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily an average seventy five yards a game
Speaker 1: until the end of the season. He still wouldn't win
Speaker 1: well when I don't could be without Zeke Elley right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not r for m v P. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like he's pretty right, he's pretty valuable. He's one of
Speaker 1: the valuable running backs. And I'm not ready to say
Speaker 1: he's pretty bad. He's up there with Tyreek Hill as
Speaker 1: the most crucial skill position players on their teams. And
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that the Cowboys are playing that
Speaker 1: well offensively with Marie Cooper. They got two big plays.
Speaker 1: They won this turnover battle three to nothing. This you know,
Speaker 1: the Redskins had a lead fairly late, and this looked
Speaker 1: like two fairly even teams. But one is extremely banged
Speaker 1: up right now. And the Cowboys, if they don't beat
Speaker 1: the Saints on Thursday night, they're gonna be tied for
Speaker 1: the lead with either the Redskins or the Eagles going
Speaker 1: going into the last four weeks, and we're I do
Speaker 1: think they're the best team, but I don't think that
Speaker 1: the other two teams are a hot garbage right now
Speaker 1: right and they're playing each other, so one of them
Speaker 1: gets a win. I don't think Das really played very
Speaker 1: like his best football the last couple of weeks. Like
Speaker 1: the offense is still very hit or miss Thursday Night football.
Speaker 1: We're just looking to throw, have some mad open toward
Speaker 1: the end zone. Touched on New Orleans. Tommy Lee Louis
Speaker 1: just activated tonight, put some points on the board for
Speaker 1: the Saints. So twenty eight yard toss it's six nothing
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I felt like that, Zach Streep w W.
Speaker 1: I felt like the Saints are just messing around on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Night. Tommy Lee Lewis and Austin Carr each catch
Speaker 1: touchdown passes their second career touchdown passes for both of them.
Speaker 1: Rookie tight end Dan Arnold there he is, Dan Lauria,
Speaker 1: rookie receiver Kirk Keith Kirkwood also got touchdowns their first,
Speaker 1: both of them. Saints their ten. They've won ten straight
Speaker 1: now over the Falcons, and that's even pushing it about
Speaker 1: how close this game really was. Greg This looked like
Speaker 1: an easy one on paper for the Saints and it was.
Speaker 1: It was especially because the defense keeps making plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: the the Falcons moved the ball pretty well. But what
Speaker 1: you're you're you have no chance to win a game
Speaker 1: that has such a small margin fair error when you
Speaker 1: go to New Orleans, when Matt Ryan los the fumble,
Speaker 1: Julio Jones loves a fumble on the way into score,
Speaker 1: and Vin Ridley loses the fumble on the way into score.
Speaker 1: So the Falcons shot themselves in the foot. But like
Speaker 1: you said, Dan, even if they hadn't and they hadn't
Speaker 1: made those mistakes, you got the sense that Saints had
Speaker 1: another gear that they could have gone offensively in this game,
Speaker 1: and they didn't even need it. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: a second half picked by Matt Ryan. Two. You're so
Speaker 1: right like that that No, he he He's played well
Speaker 1: every game, but like the turnovers, you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: get out of each of these with no points. That's right,
Speaker 1: and you have to take more chances when you're playing
Speaker 1: the Saints in New Orleans too. I mean, threw the
Speaker 1: ball really well, he did, and he's been doing that,
Speaker 1: but he also had that interception fumbled three times. That
Speaker 1: fumble was the play was designed for him to fake
Speaker 1: inside and by the time he turned around, the ball
Speaker 1: was out of his hands. Here of speaks to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Unlike some of these other teams that are buying for
Speaker 1: buys and stuff, they can rush the passer. In some
Speaker 1: of these games. They're getting pressure six sacks. I mean that, Well,
Speaker 1: come on, I know Greg has said they are. You
Speaker 1: can't say that they're not as good on the road
Speaker 1: as at home. I I just can't disagree with that more.
Speaker 1: They are much better at home the Saints. They are
Speaker 1: a much better home team than road team, and their
Speaker 1: defense plays so much faster at home. I have them,
Speaker 1: I don't. I think they're obviously more dangerous at home.
Speaker 1: They've just been a good road team. They've been better
Speaker 1: on the road this year, haven't lost the game, and
Speaker 1: they've bat some good teams, right They've got They got
Speaker 1: lucky to beat the Ravens, and you know, the Vikings
Speaker 1: outplayed them for about twenty minutes in the first quarter
Speaker 1: or first half of that game. I just think their
Speaker 1: defense at home, the Bears are the only defense I
Speaker 1: trust more than the Saints defense. Right now. Wow, they
Speaker 1: are so watch that game again. They are so fast
Speaker 1: on defense, and they pressured Ryan all games. Well, they're
Speaker 1: getting better and Seloni is getting better. Sheldon Rankins is
Speaker 1: getting better. Davenport came back for this game and he
Speaker 1: adds so much juice to them. So there it's a
Speaker 1: defense that's in. Lattimore is getting better. Started off the
Speaker 1: season pretty slow and playing well. Now they're playing really fast.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, the Falcons aree in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get over the hup last year in the
Speaker 1: NFC four and seven. This year, gotta win. When you
Speaker 1: get there, you don't know if you'll ever get back.
Speaker 1: That's true. Another last year for the Falcons to Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football the Cousin's Room, So spaw Matthews fires will
Speaker 1: be the first time more and stealing? Did he get in?
Speaker 1: Stuck down? Oh? Al Michael's with the call. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: versus Aaron Rodgers. Who wins? It's Kirk Cousins And it
Speaker 1: wasn't close. The Vikings quarterback through for three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty yards three touchdowns, was not intercepted in the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings a huge home win seventeen over the Packers, who
Speaker 1: are now four and six and in a free fall
Speaker 1: out into nothing, As Tom Earl Petty once said, Greg, Well,
Speaker 1: that was very Chris Berman. I got a classic rock
Speaker 1: raff in there. Uh on a night where you thought
Speaker 1: the Packers won't one last stand, it just isn't there.
Speaker 1: There's no juice, and the Vikings came to play and
Speaker 1: got it done. They did. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: watch this game in and have any takeaway other than
Speaker 1: the better team won. I mean that the Vikings had
Speaker 1: four hundred sixteen yards to two fifty four for an
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers led Packers team. The Packers came in banged up,
Speaker 1: they got more banged up throughout the game, and the
Speaker 1: best Vikings players showed up, including Stefon Diggs. In the
Speaker 1: last moments, this game was not over yet, and the
Speaker 1: Vikings decided to throw the ball on third and long.
Speaker 1: Pretty surprising and it would have been a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism if it didn't work out. Kirk Cousins does not
Speaker 1: deliver a good throw, but Diggs reaches behind him for
Speaker 1: a wobbler and ends the game once again. Situational football
Speaker 1: is the bugaboo for the Packers. That fourth in one
Speaker 1: play where they got stuff. I thought that was huge.
Speaker 1: Tremont Williams trying to catch a ball that bounced over
Speaker 1: his head. That was huge. And then once again we
Speaker 1: ought to call this on McCarthy. When your team only
Speaker 1: has one time out left when you're trying to come
Speaker 1: back in the two two minutes drill, they always have one.
Speaker 1: I'm out. They like to start every half with one
Speaker 1: time out, and knowing they put them on Prime time.
Speaker 1: Three of the last four games, they've lost all three.
Speaker 1: And I get the lost to New England acceptable, But
Speaker 1: you have Seattle in Minnesota, two teams that float in
Speaker 1: your world. If you're the Packers, that you need to
Speaker 1: come out and show us we can take care of
Speaker 1: Seattle and then we can take care of the division
Speaker 1: opponent that we know so well. You can't do either.
Speaker 1: You don't belong in the playoffs. The difference from me
Speaker 1: with this game compared to all these other games, because
Speaker 1: it did follow similar script as all these losses have,
Speaker 1: is that someone whether it's the defense or special teams,
Speaker 1: messes up and doesn't even give Aaron Rodgers a chance.
Speaker 1: And in this case, they weren't able to get the
Speaker 1: third down stop. But you know what, this game is
Speaker 1: different to me because I don't think it matters if
Speaker 1: you know Aaron Rodgers gets the ball back. And I
Speaker 1: never want to doubt Aaron Rodgers, but the way this
Speaker 1: team looked on offense, they just seemed dysfunctional and frankly broken.
Speaker 1: There's no the magic that was on display early in
Speaker 1: the season. Member when we are in London or hotel
Speaker 1: rooms were watching that Bears game and how fun that
Speaker 1: was with Rogers. By the time we've gotten out to
Speaker 1: late November, there's just just that seems to be absent
Speaker 1: now and they're owing six on the road, which and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has to take some uh credit for the
Speaker 1: blamers take some of the blame here too. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody is blameless in what's happened in since that
Speaker 1: Bears game. Your wins, precious Green Bay Packers are against
Speaker 1: the Pills, forty Niners and Dolphins. What a night. If
Speaker 1: another team had this script, we'd be killing them. We
Speaker 1: are tonight. Took till this night, Yeah, but other teams
Speaker 1: killed him last week weeks ago. Don't have one of
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks in NFL history, so you're always gonna
Speaker 1: give them a chance. But to dance point, you're right,
Speaker 1: they haven't developed anything throughout the season. They're backing up
Speaker 1: like abow this scantling we were excited about for a while.
Speaker 1: You had three yards in this game. You know Econymius st.
Speaker 1: Brown is their number two receiver. You never got Cobb back. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of it. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: key injuries to Nick Perry Daniels. These are core guys,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if they could have figured it
Speaker 1: out anyways. It is as dark as it's ever been
Speaker 1: in the Mike mccar, this finally does here's your hope.
Speaker 1: You have the Cardinals, Falcons, Bears, Jets, and Lions. Are
Speaker 1: we gonna start hearing about the run the table nine
Speaker 1: and only if they win two or three straight? And
Speaker 1: guess what, Mark, I know you root against Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Not rooting against Aaron Rodgers. I just this tonight. This
Speaker 1: is what you don't root against Aaron Rodgs is reality
Speaker 1: to me. Let's pull up some of the audio during
Speaker 1: this game. It's not just Aaron Rodgers, it's the it's
Speaker 1: the whole thing surrounding the Packers. If Aaron Rodgers run
Speaker 1: a different team, dealt with differently, I would not point
Speaker 1: at all. I'm not going to stop rooting for Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers even though it's a bad team. That's not what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, by the way, Okay, just your that's a narrative. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep rooting just because it's more fun.
Speaker 1: I think it's fun when he's involved with in the
Speaker 1: in December and in January. And what's what sucks about
Speaker 1: this especially I have nothing else to root for. Is
Speaker 1: it seems like they are just not going to be players.
Speaker 1: And I mean, but here's my question, not like five
Speaker 1: or six other really amazing teams to root for, why
Speaker 1: why not? Like not the Packers. But I think Rogers special.
Speaker 1: That's why it's a bummer that he's not going to
Speaker 1: be around. He looked in the mirror this week. He
Speaker 1: promised changes, he said, I have to play differently, and
Speaker 1: this was more of the same. I didn't see anything different.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a better Rogers. And I think, to
Speaker 1: Mark's point, this is not a fun team to watch.
Speaker 1: They broke me in that Seattle game, and I I'm
Speaker 1: with Greg. I'm ready for the McCarthy era to be
Speaker 1: over so Rogers can work magic and someone else. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get our wish and I think
Speaker 1: the time is still going to tell about this Vikings team.
Speaker 1: This was an important, important step forward for them, and
Speaker 1: they did some of the things that you want them
Speaker 1: to do. Cousins played a very clean, excellent game feeling,
Speaker 1: and Diggs looked like stars. Cook looks like he has
Speaker 1: more juice even though they still can't run the ball
Speaker 1: at least in the passing, he looks like it is
Speaker 1: more juice. And more importantly, Richardson, I think this team
Speaker 1: is gonna go as far as Richardson, Griffin and Hunter
Speaker 1: take them. I mean, some of the moves that Hunter
Speaker 1: put on uh and a key sack Richardson's played great
Speaker 1: are year. If those three can dominate in Linval Joseph too,
Speaker 1: then I think this team has a shot to really
Speaker 1: make some noise. I don't they haven't really all put
Speaker 1: it together too often as a total team, but they
Speaker 1: got the pieces to do it. They have tough games
Speaker 1: at New England at Seattle, but to use marks phrase,
Speaker 1: the Vikings live in that world. It's not like the
Speaker 1: Patriots are some kind of juggernaut this year, and the
Speaker 1: Seahawks aren't either, so they can win those games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great win for the Vikings, I'm a little bit worried,
Speaker 1: and I know all Vikings fans are the same way.
Speaker 1: Two more mrs for Dan Bailey in this game, uh
Speaker 1: and them are lost trust And you gotta yeah, and
Speaker 1: you gotta wonder. They went for it on fourth down
Speaker 1: when they had a chance to really put the game
Speaker 1: away or make it a seventeen point game or thirteen
Speaker 1: point game, and they decided to, uh go for it.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out. And who knows? Is Dan Bailey
Speaker 1: on this team and this Vikings curse at the kicker position.
Speaker 1: This team is gonna play with close games. They're try
Speaker 1: don't win a Super Bowl? What happens there. That's one
Speaker 1: negative I would think from Sunday night, and that they've
Speaker 1: got quite a bit of ground in my mind to
Speaker 1: catch up. I mean in the standing certainly with the Bears.
Speaker 1: A game and a half is significant this late in
Speaker 1: the season, and just the Bears seemed like a better team.
Speaker 1: So they are fighting uphill to get a wild card spot,
Speaker 1: which is which is a tough route to in a
Speaker 1: very loaded NFC, but it's still a big to The
Speaker 1: Vikings feel like a team that's gonna get into the
Speaker 1: wild card round and rip off three wins against all
Speaker 1: these other teams in the NFC. Absolutely not they, but
Speaker 1: but the differences. Had they lost tonight, we'd be burying
Speaker 1: them and they would be by They haven't shown it,
Speaker 1: but they have the pieces that you would think that
Speaker 1: they can play better, and different parts of the team
Speaker 1: have played well like tonight. If you have the defensive line,
Speaker 1: if you have that good of pass rush and that
Speaker 1: good of a passing game, you're gonna have a chance
Speaker 1: to win any game. Well, well, when what we what
Speaker 1: we want to see the rest of the year is
Speaker 1: fix the offensive line in the running game, then we'll
Speaker 1: take you. Seriously. Two hundred and fifty four yards of
Speaker 1: total offense for the Pack is in a game they needed.
Speaker 1: What a mess. All right, that's it for Sunday. We
Speaker 1: have one more Monday Night football, one more game. It's
Speaker 1: on Monday Night. It's a matchup between who was Titans
Speaker 1: and Texas. Your team you're Houston Texans. I know it's
Speaker 1: my team. I knew the matchup. I was just wanting
Speaker 1: to giving us a little but a little pop Dans
Speaker 1: Texans against the Tytoons. Somebody's team, whoever it is. I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that. It's kind of like your
Speaker 1: anti team. Uh. And then uh for us Tuesday, Uh,
Speaker 1: we'll be our Twitter show and then Wednesday and late
Speaker 1: Thursday night to podcasts, and then we just keep going
Speaker 1: as we head towards December. That's it. This is Dan
Speaker 1: hans Is signing off four Quiet Storm The Mail, met
Speaker 1: the Old Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. Hey Ricky?
Speaker 1: How is monial? Thanksgiving? It was really fun? Nice? Thanks
Speaker 1: until Tuesday