Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast is seventeen point six. Gene,
Speaker 1: Welcome to and I won't another edition of the Around
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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined in the
Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: What's up boys? Hey Dan? And if you know why
Speaker 1: we're presented by No One west because no one's listening, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope not. I hope people are listening.
Speaker 1: How about remember the old old They'll make Greg and
Speaker 1: we're beholding to no one exactly. That's how you you
Speaker 1: turn lemons into lemonade. We're be holding to about seven
Speaker 1: different people right now. We are so beholden. There's like
Speaker 1: seven layers of holding. We are max beholding, We're beholding
Speaker 1: to uh. This is the Wednesday edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. I hope everyone is caught up on
Speaker 1: the uh on the old docket because we had the
Speaker 1: Sunday Week twelve recap show on Sunday late Sunday night
Speaker 1: that went up on Tuesday. We had our live Twitter show,
Speaker 1: which you know, I think we're doing a nice job
Speaker 1: with I think we're having fun. Oh yeah, with Reggie
Speaker 1: and Connie. If you if you need your Connie fix,
Speaker 1: that's where you go to get it. Connie on Skype
Speaker 1: from her apartment in West l A. I won't say
Speaker 1: exactly where it is, but here's the address. Fourteen Maple Boulevard,
Speaker 1: Apartment six C, not three. Is a real place that
Speaker 1: that's not where she lives in Santa Monica. You could
Speaker 1: just mean, Greg, there is the there is the option
Speaker 1: to play along with Dan's there. I won't do it
Speaker 1: doesn't check out for me. Incorrect. Um. Anyway, So we
Speaker 1: got Connie, we got Reggie. We have fun on that show.
Speaker 1: And here's the Wednesday show. What's coming up today? How
Speaker 1: about a little T and F preview? I like that, Greg.
Speaker 1: It's a good It's a good one this week. Saints
Speaker 1: Cowboys to first place teams Thursday Football. They you know,
Speaker 1: they went into a little bit of a slump there, uh,
Speaker 1: And I got a feeling they're gonna close strong with
Speaker 1: some good games, including well, can we talk ourselves into
Speaker 1: this being a good game? We will see. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about it later in the show. Also, the trade
Speaker 1: deadline was a month ago tomorrow something like that is
Speaker 1: about a month ago of October and tomorrow is what
Speaker 1: the it binds up? Just so, what if? What if
Speaker 1: you extended the trade deadline by one month? That's what
Speaker 1: we did in our in our imaginations. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: go around the horn a couple of times and throw
Speaker 1: out some um extended trade deadline offers or as you
Speaker 1: called it, West trade lifeline. Very nice. I learned a
Speaker 1: few things from this exercise. Oh good, Okay, we'll get
Speaker 1: into that too. But before any of that, last time,
Speaker 1: let's get let's get caught up and do some news.
Speaker 1: Let's do please. As of two eighteen, this NFC North
Speaker 1: team had never even made the Super Bowl, much less
Speaker 1: one it. But by gotta happen, right, Jay? Who are
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions? Yes? I mean, by the way the
Speaker 1: Bunsen burner blowtorts the Lions. Trebeck on the Lions, I
Speaker 1: kind of like that. I will say that on television.
Speaker 1: I don't notice this as much. But his voice I
Speaker 1: cannot take him seriously. He sounds like some sort of
Speaker 1: like elegant, like pampered prints from like deep Europe. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I find it incredibly soothing and for my entire life
Speaker 1: I have until that moment. If that sounded incredibly pretentious,
Speaker 1: I have been rolling through old Jeopardy episodes on Netflix,
Speaker 1: which is a great addition by the social, the streaming giant.
Speaker 1: I love it. But Alex Trebeck is not a human.
Speaker 1: He is very awkward in his interactions with other humans.
Speaker 1: What about like a road trip with Alex Trebeck and
Speaker 1: Roberts Stack. I kind of, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think what you're saying, but I mean when they were alive,
Speaker 1: it checks out. You know. I don't want to paint
Speaker 1: paint too broad and brush if if any you know
Speaker 1: hosts out there are listening, but I think there there's
Speaker 1: a there's some type of hosts like a game show
Speaker 1: host off and you know it's just missing, like a
Speaker 1: little humanity chip I would agree little about thirty five
Speaker 1: years now. They have to try to make up for
Speaker 1: that by connecting through the people in the teles. Their
Speaker 1: similarity with stand up comedians, I think a different type
Speaker 1: of a different type of ft up. Yeah, that's different
Speaker 1: and not fun facts. I believe Jeopardy tapes right down
Speaker 1: the street. That's Sony. So there you go. Let's get
Speaker 1: to the news. So if we ever want to confront
Speaker 1: axtra back about his lack of humanity. Good jeopardy, uh,
Speaker 1: Reuben Foster, let me take a hard left turn um
Speaker 1: to the dark side here. Ruben Foster the former forty
Speaker 1: Honors linebacker who was released by the team or sent
Speaker 1: to waivers by the team after his third arrest, another
Speaker 1: domestic violence issue. So the Niners put him on waivers
Speaker 1: and one team claims him. And there was a little
Speaker 1: mystery at first on Tuesday about which team it was,
Speaker 1: and then it came out that it was the Washington
Speaker 1: Redskins who make the claim. Uh, Foster, who has this
Speaker 1: criminal issue hanging over him, will not be able to
Speaker 1: get on the field, either because he's not permitted or
Speaker 1: to practice or playing games for the Redskins because the
Speaker 1: NFL has placed him on the Reserve Commissioner Exempt list.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that while the league reviews his arrest, uh,
Speaker 1: Greg Redskins were the only team And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people were surprised and frankly a little disappointed.
Speaker 1: This is how it played out. Very surprised just because
Speaker 1: of the timing and because of the acrobatics that it
Speaker 1: took for them to justify it. Through their statement. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a team that also y Junior Galet after
Speaker 1: um some of the probably worst off field behavior that
Speaker 1: any players had in recent NFL history, and they were
Speaker 1: quick to sign him. And I like, whip a guy
Speaker 1: on the beach. I mean that that was a part
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, that was the least of his But
Speaker 1: but similarly, you know, four years ago they made a
Speaker 1: statement saying they condone domestic violence when it had to
Speaker 1: do with players on another team. And and just kind
Speaker 1: of the hoops that Doug Williams. I almost felt bad
Speaker 1: for Doug Williams, who was the man named, you know,
Speaker 1: the executive named in the statement that the Redskins had
Speaker 1: to make trying to justify it, trying to say he's
Speaker 1: going to have to go through all these steps before
Speaker 1: he gets on the field. And that also they consulted
Speaker 1: a lot of Reuben Foster's teammates from Alabama who happened
Speaker 1: to be on the Redskins roster. It's like, okay, so
Speaker 1: you're you're asking his college buddies to be character references.
Speaker 1: What what do you expect him to say? It has
Speaker 1: a very Bruce Allen feel to it. Who is you know, pulling,
Speaker 1: pulling the levers in Washington still and maybe mean Doug
Speaker 1: Williams out there as the mouthpiece. I grow your own talent.
Speaker 1: I just don't know why this is a move that
Speaker 1: could be perceived by the Redskins as they were cooking
Speaker 1: this up as anything other than, you know, a PR
Speaker 1: disaster waiting to happen, and this this is not. There's
Speaker 1: two separate parts of this. It's obviously, uh, the the
Speaker 1: upsetting realities of what's going on Foster off the football field,
Speaker 1: but it's also a little surprising. I know he's a
Speaker 1: first round talent, but he did nothing for the Niners
Speaker 1: this year. If this guy was some type of stud,
Speaker 1: if it was like a situation like with Alden Smith
Speaker 1: when it's a top rate pass rusher, you could see
Speaker 1: why one team would kind of go through those acrobatics
Speaker 1: and make this movement and eat the PR hit. But
Speaker 1: Foster has not shown anything this year. Was well, there's
Speaker 1: no question he can play. He was really impressive last year. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was a little bit behind the eight ball this
Speaker 1: year and then came in and lost his position to
Speaker 1: Fred Warner Um who was really impressive in September. For
Speaker 1: he can play and to me, the Redskins can't be
Speaker 1: expecting him to play this year. He's on the commissioner's
Speaker 1: exemp list. Even when they made the claim they have
Speaker 1: two good starting inside linebackers so he wasn't gonna play.
Speaker 1: To me, it just seemed like they figured someone else
Speaker 1: was gonna claim him. If anybody's gonna have him on
Speaker 1: the roster for future, if he ever straightens himself out,
Speaker 1: it might as well be us. But even then you
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself is it worth it? Well, and
Speaker 1: just that there they they say they fully understand the severity,
Speaker 1: but that that sort of at odds with with claiming
Speaker 1: him because and because I've heard the argument, well, you know,
Speaker 1: does this mean he can never you know, work again?
Speaker 1: Does this mean uh that if the Chargers are eventually dropped,
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't be in the league. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you want to see how it plays out, like,
Speaker 1: let that happen. You don't need to employ him in
Speaker 1: the meantime, you can, you can let that go out.
Speaker 1: There was a report that the Eagles did called Tampa
Speaker 1: police and investigated themselves. They didn't put any claim on it.
Speaker 1: It sounds like there was nothing that the Redskins have
Speaker 1: done other than waiting for the legal process to check out.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. The Jacksonville Jaguars are making changes during
Speaker 1: a deeply disappointing season in Duval. That's a thing. Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles is headed to the bench. Doug Maron announced Monday
Speaker 1: that the veteran passer is UH on the sideline, will
Speaker 1: be on the sideline in week thirteen. It will be
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler UH playing UH quarterback for the Jags, who
Speaker 1: have lost every single week UH dating like about two months,
Speaker 1: dating back about two months now. The switch comes after
Speaker 1: the Jags lost to the Bills UH seven straight losses.
Speaker 1: They they were expected to compete for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen this year. And in addition to
Speaker 1: the decision West to lose Bordles and send him to
Speaker 1: the bench, Nathaniel Hackett, UH, the offensive coordinator, also sent packing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a long fall for a team
Speaker 1: that came close last year. I get with SCAPEGOATD. He
Speaker 1: drew up some impressive game plans last year, specifically against
Speaker 1: the Steelers and Patriots in the playoffs, very impressive game plans,
Speaker 1: and things weren't going this well, this year, I understand.
Speaker 1: But you know all these people who say, who look
Speaker 1: at Blake bordles numbers and say they're very similar to
Speaker 1: last year, save it you are not watching Jaguars games,
Speaker 1: and that's a deck giveaway. The guy's throwing motion, which
Speaker 1: has been varying degrees of awful throughout his career, right
Speaker 1: now is just broken. It is more pronounced, the hitchen
Speaker 1: is wind up, and he cannot make simple throws. The
Speaker 1: game he had against the Bills. When I watched that,
Speaker 1: I just thought that the Jaguars have to pull this guy.
Speaker 1: They cannot keep playing it because the other fifty two
Speaker 1: guys on the roster see a quarterback who can't play
Speaker 1: at an NFL level. Right now, I think I think
Speaker 1: though that you know and I and I've mentioned the
Speaker 1: numbers are similar. It just reminds me of that's exactly
Speaker 1: what we were saying at this point last year about Bordles.
Speaker 1: If you remember, he kind of went on a late
Speaker 1: season streak in December where he played some of his
Speaker 1: best football, but just before that we were having this
Speaker 1: exact same conversation that his mechanics are totally out of
Speaker 1: he's totally ruining the team, they need to bench him
Speaker 1: at a very similar time of the year. And then
Speaker 1: that gets back to Tom Coughlin, who I want to
Speaker 1: thank for signing Borders to this contract and you know,
Speaker 1: expecting Borders to become a player that he hasn't been
Speaker 1: for the last five years, and hamstringing this team because
Speaker 1: it's gonna deliver me some sandwiches, because I said, they're
Speaker 1: not making the playoffs and you guys are gonna hand
Speaker 1: them over and and it's crazy to me to waste
Speaker 1: really the last three years, I would say two thousand, sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen and eighteen after you should have been able to
Speaker 1: self scout and make a better decision on boards. Well,
Speaker 1: part of the part of it is you have the
Speaker 1: general manager still in house who used a third overall
Speaker 1: pick on boardles, and I think there was this let's
Speaker 1: not give up right away on him, and it got
Speaker 1: I think the worst thing that can happen sometimes is
Speaker 1: when a bad player overperforms from what they really are,
Speaker 1: which had happened to him in the playoffs, and it
Speaker 1: gave them this idea that we can maximize Blake Borders.
Speaker 1: But for me, if you're Nathaniel Hackett or any coordinator
Speaker 1: attached to a bad quarterback. You have to be wondering
Speaker 1: when this day is going to come. I mean this
Speaker 1: to me makes no sense to fire him. Well then
Speaker 1: you right now we made a good point to that
Speaker 1: you can't tell what was wrong if you fire the
Speaker 1: coordinator and the quarterback. But this is this tells me
Speaker 1: that Doug Marone is under fire inside the building because
Speaker 1: this is one of his most loyal lieutenants. They were
Speaker 1: together for years in Syracuse. Doug Marones helped grow his
Speaker 1: career and turn him into an offensive coordinator in college,
Speaker 1: brought him along to Buffalo, brought him to Jacksonville. It's
Speaker 1: not unlike one of us working together for ten years,
Speaker 1: if there was some sort of power structure and sending
Speaker 1: someone out when when trouble gets that hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a friend and someone that he whose career.
Speaker 1: That's the message tam Posey needs to be, you know,
Speaker 1: operating at high levels at all times. One thing I
Speaker 1: would say, if you're trying to get inside the jaguar
Speaker 1: he has, but he has the arm strength, has the
Speaker 1: mobility to be a star quarterback. If you can fix him,
Speaker 1: then you've got your answer. So I can see why
Speaker 1: the lead was long. To me, what's indefensible is never
Speaker 1: bringing in legitimate competition when you've told the other fifty
Speaker 1: two players on the roster you gotta compete. I've been
Speaker 1: there five years, and but it's amazing how that one
Speaker 1: bad decision taking him and and then unlike I think
Speaker 1: good organizations who would have cut bait earlier, can infect
Speaker 1: everything that's happened since. The only reason Doug Maron is
Speaker 1: the head coach right now is because he made Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles look better in a mirage of a two game
Speaker 1: streak at the end of two thousand sixteen, Maron and
Speaker 1: Hackett basically convinced ownership that hey, look, we we had
Speaker 1: these two games with him, Let's let's stay with Bordles,
Speaker 1: stay with us, and now they there's two years later
Speaker 1: and they still don't have a quarterback. Hackett, who was
Speaker 1: shocked by the way he didn't think this was coming.
Speaker 1: He did a fine job. When Maron wanted to meet
Speaker 1: with him, he thought it was about the quarterback change,
Speaker 1: and he was stunned. And his quote to Ian Rappaport,
Speaker 1: they had a conversation. I guess the football gods had
Speaker 1: it out for me. Uh, so hack it will land
Speaker 1: on his feet. We'll see what happens with Bordles. But
Speaker 1: changes coming in Jacksonville. Uh. More quarterback news in the
Speaker 1: a f C, another disappointing season for Andy Dalton has
Speaker 1: come to an end, shortened by an injury. Uh. The
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Glowing Ginger Man Uh is heading to
Speaker 1: injured reserve because of a right thumb injury suffered in
Speaker 1: Sunday's loss to the Browns. It's the same thumb that
Speaker 1: really sent Dalton's career, the injury that sent Dalton's career
Speaker 1: in a different direction. It feels like forever ago. But
Speaker 1: when the Bengals are ten and two and back in
Speaker 1: and they were cruising and looked like they were gonna
Speaker 1: get a by he breaks his thumb, it was cure.
Speaker 1: It was pure Bengals luck, Uh, and he his season
Speaker 1: ended and they really have never been a team since then.
Speaker 1: So he heads to the sideline for the season and UH,
Speaker 1: is there any chance West that that's the last time
Speaker 1: you see Andy Dalton playing quarterback for the Bengals. Someone
Speaker 1: asked me that yesterday on Twitter, and in my response
Speaker 1: was I out it, because what's the alternative? I don't
Speaker 1: think Jeff Driscoll. I mean, I liked watching Jeff Driscoll
Speaker 1: play in garbage time. He's he's somewhat more fun than
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton because he's really mobile and he probably has
Speaker 1: a stronger arm. But he threw a lot of passes
Speaker 1: up for grabs that will get intercepted. To me, Jeff
Speaker 1: Driscoll doesn't seem like a viable option. And unless you
Speaker 1: have someone in house, how are you gonna let Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton go his two non guaranteed years left on that
Speaker 1: six year exten To me, that's a positive, though I've
Speaker 1: seen people kind of conflating or you know, mentioning Bordles
Speaker 1: and Dalton in the same breath. Bortles is contract is toxic.
Speaker 1: They owe him six and a half million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 1: next year. They're gonna eat one of the biggest dead
Speaker 1: money um totals in NFL history if they release Bordles Dalton.
Speaker 1: On the other hands worth, he's do sixteen million, not
Speaker 1: a dollar in guaranteed money, no signing bonus. Still, the
Speaker 1: payoff sixteen million dollars seems like a nice price in
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen for Andy Daltons. Andy Dalton's a fine
Speaker 1: and about quarterback. That's why he's the Dalton scale. And
Speaker 1: in the middle, it all depends who's there next year,
Speaker 1: because if it's if it's Marvin Lewis and it's everyone's
Speaker 1: surrounding Marvin Lewis. There have been there's been evidence and
Speaker 1: in reasons to move on from Andy Dalton and get
Speaker 1: him competition and a competition, and they've done literally nothing
Speaker 1: on that. I would guarantee if the Bengals don't want
Speaker 1: to pay Andy Dalton sixteen million next year, it's several
Speaker 1: teams will want to. M uh And by the way,
Speaker 1: it's called Dalton they find NFL quarterback. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's important how you stress that he's fine. He's fine.
Speaker 1: He's not like a fine quarterback, but fine, it's very important.
Speaker 1: But fine quarterbacks get more than sixteen million dollars, right.
Speaker 1: I liked the value at this point. They they signed
Speaker 1: him to a six year contract, which at the time
Speaker 1: people probably if we listen back to our podcast, we
Speaker 1: might have we might have raised their eyebrows at that
Speaker 1: the money. And now it looks like a little forward thinking.
Speaker 1: They're they're ahead of the game in terms of quarters
Speaker 1: one the whole thing on Dalton. I do think in
Speaker 1: the last couple of years what he's done with in
Speaker 1: terms of him being fine. I don't think he's super
Speaker 1: attractive fine, I mean, but there's an aspect of his
Speaker 1: attractiveness that's upticked in the real in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. He's done something with his hair. He's kind
Speaker 1: of shorn in the sides a little, and he looks
Speaker 1: kind of bizarre but kind of tough. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He kind of looks like like, oh no, well that's
Speaker 1: different too. That's fine. Fine. Finally, in the news, uh,
Speaker 1: the a a F, which is the Alliance of American
Speaker 1: Football UM, held its draft for its inaugural two thousand
Speaker 1: nineteen season. I wasn't aware of this is a thing
Speaker 1: until Mark on our on our Uh, what is a
Speaker 1: conversation client direct messaging? Yeah at three one am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mark sending ideas for the show at three thirty, which
Speaker 1: on one hand looks like, oh man, this is On
Speaker 1: another hand, it sounds like a major medical issue that
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. I have like the worst insomnia, literally
Speaker 1: probably four out of seven days a week. Do you
Speaker 1: ever have you ever tried to I guess this is
Speaker 1: a conversation maybe for not on the podcast, Well why
Speaker 1: go why say? Why prevent that? And you tried to
Speaker 1: treat it? Have you tried to treat it in any
Speaker 1: different you know? No, I'm just saying it. I have
Speaker 1: tried it. Maybe you know nothing, maybe not. According to
Speaker 1: the medical science, they do say that people some people
Speaker 1: have sleep patterns where because I'll fall asleep at like
Speaker 1: eleven and wake up at two in the morning and
Speaker 1: be up until five and then sleep till five until
Speaker 1: serious similar to we can two blocks of you ever
Speaker 1: tried this illicit drug use? Yeah, that sounds weird. Explain
Speaker 1: what Dan was attempting to mimic putting a syringe on
Speaker 1: his I did nothing of the sort. Actually, you could
Speaker 1: take this sound wherever you want. I couldn't help you
Speaker 1: go to sleep? I see why do we Why does
Speaker 1: this always happen to me on this show? Just the
Speaker 1: a f draft um allocated thirty two quarterback? What a
Speaker 1: what a setup thing got going on here? Allocated thirty
Speaker 1: two quarter This is from Kevin Seafort, ESPN. This is
Speaker 1: my source here uh thirty two quarterbacks on Tuesday Night
Speaker 1: and includes former uh NFL pastors such as Scott Tolzine
Speaker 1: for him. Uh, Zach Mettenberger, you remember old net Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and remember when Mark wrote a letter asking for him
Speaker 1: to come be Len Brown's Yeah. Now now he's been
Speaker 1: taken by the Memphis Express, so he's working his way there.
Speaker 1: And uh, finally, uh, we can't really say this name,
Speaker 1: but this player was also taken. I think we blasted
Speaker 1: that name out of the podcast. We decided that we
Speaker 1: weren't going to mention it. Yeah, yeah, no, let's stick
Speaker 1: to that rule. But that person was also taken. The
Speaker 1: league begins play on February nine, which I believe is
Speaker 1: one week after the Super Bowl. Greg, Yeah, no, I'm
Speaker 1: really like, okay, we're all having our fun. It's like
Speaker 1: kind of some names we haven't heard in a while,
Speaker 1: like Mettenberger and joshtown. Now. I'm really excited to see
Speaker 1: how the Atlanta Legends coaching staff, led by Brad Childress
Speaker 1: as the head and Michael Vick as the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: works with Justin Holman, Peter Pouhas, Matt Sims, and uh,
Speaker 1: Aaron Murray at quarterback. I think that's an interesting quarterback
Speaker 1: room and an interesting offensive mine with vic as the coordinator,
Speaker 1: Like mart Is on board here. They have some names.
Speaker 1: There are literal names. Yes, I mean it's I I
Speaker 1: remember the World League and thought it was fun and
Speaker 1: NFL Europe and all that stuff, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: not the worst thing to have if the if there's
Speaker 1: people in there that you've heard, I've invested some emotional
Speaker 1: and in time, you know, energy into some of these
Speaker 1: leagues that have popped up over the years. Has been
Speaker 1: about four or five of them, but they never lasts
Speaker 1: a year or two, so it's tough to really One
Speaker 1: thing on their site of like tickets is seventy five dollars,
Speaker 1: I think you might. You're not going to get a
Speaker 1: lot of people to pay seventy five dollars games. That's
Speaker 1: what it says on this I will say one thing
Speaker 1: that because when I was I got the secondary market.
Speaker 1: Guys they're like their Twitter feed is it sounds like
Speaker 1: some of the people that are employed by you know,
Speaker 1: NFL and just very exuberant about themselves and like that.
Speaker 1: Some of these tweets got on my on my on
Speaker 1: my radar, I was like one of the most it's
Speaker 1: the fourth round, everybody hold up before fourth quarter finished? Strong,
Speaker 1: We're making history. Here, it's like and then and then
Speaker 1: well then the up no no, But then the up
Speaker 1: shot was they were trying to get everyone and log
Speaker 1: on to watch this um streaming quarterback draft, but it
Speaker 1: was couched away on some app that no one could
Speaker 1: have had access too. So they were like every response
Speaker 1: to every one of these braggadocious tweets was loved to
Speaker 1: be a part of this. Can access the actual history
Speaker 1: making segment here with your drafting Scotts Tolzen in France,
Speaker 1: so a f social media team on Mark's radar. Where
Speaker 1: sold are? Yeah, I've got I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: cracking the top ten lists there, but there I want
Speaker 1: to see like some winners and losers, some grades. I
Speaker 1: think I think they got Quinn mcquerie in the third
Speaker 1: round the Arizona hot Shots pretty value the Arizona hot set.
Speaker 1: People thought he wouldn't go until until that, he'd go
Speaker 1: earlier around one or two. No, they got him. They
Speaker 1: also they did the thing where this you know this
Speaker 1: is the mind sound like population. I just want to
Speaker 1: sound like sensors, by the way, but go on, well,
Speaker 1: but more than usual, I'm gonna give them. I'll give
Speaker 1: them a chance. They have to. They had. They did
Speaker 1: the Miami heating where they have to two team names,
Speaker 1: San Diego Fleet in Birmingham Iron and what they can
Speaker 1: do like the the Fleet. I believe it was protected
Speaker 1: Josh Johnson, who has been on the compion teams because
Speaker 1: he played college in that area. You're allowed to protect
Speaker 1: the local hero to be on your team. Well, that's
Speaker 1: how most of these league started. Territorial picks, you know,
Speaker 1: like the old Cincinnati Royals in the NBA got Oscar
Speaker 1: Robertson because he played for university. Gave any publicity. Dan's
Speaker 1: good publicity. We're talking about it. I'm we're gonna watch.
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch this entire no more about it now.
Speaker 1: And I did a book report on the state of
Speaker 1: Utah in night, so I will support the Salt Lake Stallions.
Speaker 1: It will be my team. That's what's happening deep roots
Speaker 1: there for in the news. I actually I remember to
Speaker 1: this day. It was a brilliant move by an eight
Speaker 1: year old old Zeuser. Young Zeuser at the time. Um
Speaker 1: it had the report had to be I think like
Speaker 1: six pages. So I did a little arts and crafts
Speaker 1: and I, uh, you know, the general shape of the
Speaker 1: state of Utah. I cut the loose leaf into the
Speaker 1: state shape and presented that, which cut down on the
Speaker 1: size of the page, which made less less writing also
Speaker 1: had a visual effect to it that led to I
Speaker 1: believe a high mark six pages for an eight year
Speaker 1: olds a lot district in the town of friendly people.
Speaker 1: They were definitely not getting six year old reports and
Speaker 1: five panamonic districts. All right, let's move on. Okay, so
Speaker 1: trade deadline last month. UH, we're doing our own trade
Speaker 1: ladline deadline here because the trade deadline is too soon.
Speaker 1: They got to change that rule, and hopefully maybe they will.
Speaker 1: For now, we're going to live in the world of
Speaker 1: uh fantasy and UH offer some deals or propose some trades.
Speaker 1: That makes sense right now, because let's face it, it's
Speaker 1: a very different landscape in the NFL on November than
Speaker 1: it was on oct Um. Mark get us going, all right,
Speaker 1: I I feel like there's a team before the trade
Speaker 1: deadline that kind of put up signals that they were
Speaker 1: willing to sell almost anyone but not this player. But
Speaker 1: now this is happening in my reality. The Indianapolis Cults
Speaker 1: send a first round and second round pick. They have
Speaker 1: two second rounders after that deal with the Jets and
Speaker 1: rounder to the New York Giants in exchange for Odell Beckham. Wow,
Speaker 1: why would the Giants trade Beckham? They just gave him
Speaker 1: a giant new contract. I get that. I get that.
Speaker 1: There's all these factions probably in the Giants fandom too.
Speaker 1: They would say this would never happen, and they just
Speaker 1: ice them up. I just don't see this relationship as
Speaker 1: a long term success for the Giants. And uh but
Speaker 1: but maybe more it's wish casting that the cults could
Speaker 1: go and add someone for Andrew Luck to throw to.
Speaker 1: You just want West to not be able to stand
Speaker 1: up right now. That's what you're going for right now.
Speaker 1: That's I mean. Odell Beckham's name was was in trade
Speaker 1: talks all off season and not the deal they got
Speaker 1: the deal. Don Finally, I don't feel like an enormous
Speaker 1: price for for a sever at least just compared to
Speaker 1: what the market value has been. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think it'd be a crazy because Odell Beckham is that good.
Speaker 1: Can I hear those terms again? The terms were, and
Speaker 1: you know, and I have to like I I will
Speaker 1: say that if I had skills around the world of football,
Speaker 1: like trade terms or maybe not in the top five,
Speaker 1: but um first rounder, second rounder and under that's reasonable
Speaker 1: and for that kind of talent, that's reasonable. And the
Speaker 1: Coolts have the Jet second round pick this year, I believe, right,
Speaker 1: so they would still have their second round picks one.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I got me my quarterback, so I'm cool
Speaker 1: with it, all right, Uh okay, I mean it's fun,
Speaker 1: it's a It would be a lot of fun to
Speaker 1: see Andrew Luck with the best wide receiver tandem in
Speaker 1: the league potentially. I just think the Giants probably look
Speaker 1: at their setup and like this is the last year.
Speaker 1: But if we do figure out the quarterback position in
Speaker 1: the draft, and we improve our offensive line, we're gonna
Speaker 1: score thirty five points a game with O'Dell s Quan,
Speaker 1: a quarterback who can play, and why would we trade
Speaker 1: that away? And he's also the most popular player. My
Speaker 1: one art, here's my one argument. Because the Giants, and
Speaker 1: we've learned this from teams that finished with the fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth pick, you don't get that quarterback. You don't
Speaker 1: and there aren't There aren't seven quarterbacks in this draft
Speaker 1: from what little we know now, that could change that.
Speaker 1: If you add this ammunition, you can make the move
Speaker 1: to get up and get the quarterback. And yes to
Speaker 1: the expense of a wide receiver, but wide receivers can
Speaker 1: be found. I mean, I I know he's not. I
Speaker 1: know he's not. That's why the costs would be very high.
Speaker 1: You would probably go to the file if you got
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you would have to go into the following
Speaker 1: draft to find someone that's half as good as Odell Becka.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know why the Giants would do that.
Speaker 1: I just look at the cults and say, I know,
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton's having a nice year, but in general,
Speaker 1: the cults are thriving on offense without a lot of
Speaker 1: stars around. Andrew luck Wes, what do you got? Can
Speaker 1: I tell you my two takeaways that I learned from
Speaker 1: this assignment? What's that one? I think we assumed that
Speaker 1: more teams would be willing to trade guys away and
Speaker 1: and I didn't get that sense at all. Like teams
Speaker 1: like the Browns and Broncos are back in it. Seahawks
Speaker 1: are are probably in better shape now than they were
Speaker 1: a month ago. I think there's several teams like that.
Speaker 1: And the teams that were bad are just still bad.
Speaker 1: So there's a few. There's a few. I think the
Speaker 1: Jags could be one. The Bucks maybe have given up
Speaker 1: on staying in it. But you're right. I also think
Speaker 1: the teams that would be the most aggressive are the
Speaker 1: ones and two seats, the teams that just need one
Speaker 1: more thing to put them over the top. Versions the
Speaker 1: other good teams and the teams that are on the
Speaker 1: would probably be a little more more reluctant to give
Speaker 1: anything away, like especially like a team like the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: when you have holes potentially to to fill. Uh, my trade.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been resistant to put Larry Fitzgerald in
Speaker 1: any trades because he's sort of an institution in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Came down on hard on me when we did this exercise,
Speaker 1: I know, which is why why I I put a
Speaker 1: high standard. I really have to. You have to sell
Speaker 1: this to Larry Fitzgerald. How about returning to his college
Speaker 1: city Pittsburgh. The Steelers need a third receiver and have
Speaker 1: all year because James Washington has not played up to
Speaker 1: his ability, has not come in. We saw against the
Speaker 1: Broncos he had a couple of plays, including a play
Speaker 1: where he dove for a ball that he could have
Speaker 1: scored standing up if he would have just ran and
Speaker 1: caught the ball, gave him grief about it that he deserves.
Speaker 1: He has the right to criticize James Washington at this point.
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, if he stays in Arizona, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: want any part of this rebuilding project. He's probably just
Speaker 1: gonna retire. I think. So he's got like six more games,
Speaker 1: five more games left, we go. We America wants to
Speaker 1: see Larry Fitzgerald in the playoffs one more time, and
Speaker 1: I think he might even be able to sell him
Speaker 1: on play another year and you got two playoff runs
Speaker 1: in you and then going back to Arizona the very
Speaker 1: same James Washington a second round pick who's got talent,
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals need wide receivers. So James Washington for
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald straight up? Wow? I like that, straight up.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it. I feel bad enough coming back
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals legend conditional fourth round picks. I feel
Speaker 1: like the Cardinals would take a huge pr hit on that, right.
Speaker 1: What's yeah? We almost like, what's the what's the point?
Speaker 1: The Cardinals also have a big problem. What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do with your wide receiver room? Next? Year, because
Speaker 1: it's maybe the worst in the league. We're throwing you
Speaker 1: a second round pick. I mean, you might have Larry
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald as a solid contributor next year and the best
Speaker 1: player in franchise history, but he's he's a shadow of
Speaker 1: For myself, I don't know if the bid wills Zona.
Speaker 1: Mark's really cracking up. I don't know if h if
Speaker 1: you offer Juju for Fitzgerald, I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Cardinals would pull the trigger. Really somebody I would take
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, But that's not what it's about. It's
Speaker 1: it's great. I agree with you that that this is
Speaker 1: about a legend and keeping him in town. But somebody's
Speaker 1: got to build a wide receiver room for the Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals next year. All right, I'll throw another wide receiver,
Speaker 1: not at the level of Larry Fitzgerald to the four
Speaker 1: people in this room, but to the person behind the glass.
Speaker 1: It's someone that shines and towers above Fitzgerald and anyone
Speaker 1: else that's ever played the position, really has played sports. Period.
Speaker 1: Uh what are the Dolphins? What are they right now?
Speaker 1: At five and six? Their playoff hopes pretty much shot,
Speaker 1: and as things stand right now, the Dolphins are neither
Speaker 1: a win now team or really a win tomorrow team.
Speaker 1: That feels like the last twenty years in my right,
Speaker 1: they I mean, they just exist. Okay, it's time to
Speaker 1: pick a lane. And uh, this is not something that's
Speaker 1: going to to put them on the path to getting
Speaker 1: back to the super Bowl. But Dolphins trade Danny playoff
Speaker 1: a Mandola back to the Pats for a fifth rounder.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why this makes sense, because, first
Speaker 1: of all, Amadel has zero future in Miami. I know
Speaker 1: he loves it down there. He's getting he's getting busy
Speaker 1: pool side, being a philanderer. And I know you're happy
Speaker 1: about that. Can you be a philander if you're not married?
Speaker 1: Not really? Is there evidence of oh there's direct evidence
Speaker 1: on his girlfriend, the supermodel. It's all I know about it.
Speaker 1: That's beside the point anyway. Uh, he's thirty three years old,
Speaker 1: he's in the first year of a two year, twelve
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. He's do six million nineteen. Yes, the
Speaker 1: Patriots walked away from Amdola essentially after the last year,
Speaker 1: but uh, that was a different time. Now they're they're
Speaker 1: thinking to themselves, we are as win now as we
Speaker 1: have ever been. We decided to go to Tommy Boy,
Speaker 1: who might even be in decline right now. Uh we
Speaker 1: need a guy that literally his nickname was Danny playoff
Speaker 1: Amund Dola given to him by Gronk. And you have
Speaker 1: Philip dor Set there who has not made an impact.
Speaker 1: In fact, they've really decreased his snaps and I don't know, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means that they're they're changing
Speaker 1: that how they're running their offense. Greg, maybe you can
Speaker 1: help me out with that. But they have Josh Gordon,
Speaker 1: they have Edelman, they have Gronk. I feel like am
Speaker 1: and Dola could carve out a role there and make
Speaker 1: an impact, assuming he's healthy. He's got a knee issue now,
Speaker 1: but let's keep that out of the mix. So anyway, No,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, but I don't know if it's a serious
Speaker 1: issue or not. Uh So there you go Amadal back
Speaker 1: to the back to the paths and they could decide
Speaker 1: if they want to eat the six million or keep
Speaker 1: him around. Next to the one thing, they're the they're
Speaker 1: the one team. Belichick feels like the one guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't have an issue. Sometimes when the player leaves a team,
Speaker 1: you know they're they're never gonna ever come back to
Speaker 1: that team, you know, la Garrett Blunt goes to Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: totally melts down. You know, weeks later he's back in
Speaker 1: New England. Like Belichick doesn't have a problem bringing back.
Speaker 1: They would have happily had Damn and Danny Amendola back
Speaker 1: if he took a pick up for the seventh straight year.
Speaker 1: Poor Danny. You know, that's the thing that they want
Speaker 1: his contrast night, I'm just saying that he has, but
Speaker 1: he's been He's up there in terms of underpaid players
Speaker 1: of the last five years or so. He you know,
Speaker 1: those uh those bar tabs that uh live don't pay
Speaker 1: for themselves. Yeah, I mean, you don't want your your
Speaker 1: girlfriend making that much more money than you. He had
Speaker 1: to go take the money. Doesn't make sense as a
Speaker 1: as a Dolphins, I don't see. I don't see why
Speaker 1: the Dolphins would want to help out the team in
Speaker 1: their own division. Mike tannin bomb and what because they're
Speaker 1: nor there they just I guess, but it would just
Speaker 1: be it would not be annoying. I think if there,
Speaker 1: if there was a pink pony situation going on, and
Speaker 1: I'm starting to buy this, you know this theory that
Speaker 1: Mark has been selling that other, investigating, not investigating that other.
Speaker 1: You know, there's operatives out there. I think it would
Speaker 1: make a lot more sense for his old buddy Matt
Speaker 1: Patricia to send him Ziggy Anza in the last month
Speaker 1: of his contract for like a fourth round pick, because
Speaker 1: Patriots love sending these fourth or fifth round picks. They
Speaker 1: get a little negotiating window to talk to Antsa at
Speaker 1: the end of next year. He's starting to He hasn't
Speaker 1: played very well this year, but he has looked healthy
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. What are the Lions doing?
Speaker 1: They they're a team that's kind of fallen out of it,
Speaker 1: and Antsa could actually give you some juice here in
Speaker 1: the last month. If we're gonna have a little pink
Speaker 1: pony action ride that, I'm saying, ride that pony, let's
Speaker 1: lean into it this time. It's time is ending. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't even need to pony. I mean Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: forty one. Let's just let's maximize what we got. You
Speaker 1: guys are saying every the walls are crumbling here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're an eight and three team that's in the top.
Speaker 1: They're one of the six or seven best teams in
Speaker 1: the league like, that's another year, let's go for it.
Speaker 1: But I think next year this time, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if I am and Dola doesn't get me too excited.
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to have him though. It'd be nice
Speaker 1: to have him in the mix. He is playoff Danny.
Speaker 1: I think he would make it bigger impact on the
Speaker 1: Patriots and a playoff run they could use. They could
Speaker 1: use a pass rusher pretty badly. They could use some
Speaker 1: more depth up front. What is it? How excited would
Speaker 1: you be ada came back to the Paths? I would
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I would do. I would
Speaker 1: probably add on and not the trade part, just because
Speaker 1: I don't know Miami. But it's easy to imagine like
Speaker 1: him or Legarrett Blunt, just like coming back from having
Speaker 1: two touchdowns in the a f C title game. Totally
Speaker 1: can see it all right, one more time around the horn. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a deal that would be done in secret
Speaker 1: on right before the deadline. There is a team in
Speaker 1: Cleveland looking for a leader. There is a coach out
Speaker 1: there who would be a perfect fit for Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: a coach with a shot to win one more Super
Speaker 1: Bowl before exiting stage right at the ideal time, a
Speaker 1: coach you can work with general manager John Dorsey, so
Speaker 1: not a power hungry guy that also needs to be
Speaker 1: the GM. A guy that can work with the general manager.
Speaker 1: We've seen him do that in New Orleans with a
Speaker 1: general manager that runs multiple proteins, totally absurd. And a
Speaker 1: coach who has gone to his own ownership and said
Speaker 1: he's open to this deal because he's always had a
Speaker 1: little bit of a wandering eye for other jobs around
Speaker 1: the league. Which is Cleveland sending two first round picks
Speaker 1: this year and next to the New Orleans Saints for
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Deal effective the minute the Saints season raps.
Speaker 1: So it's effective because I was gonna say, if he
Speaker 1: if he's looking to get another title, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: deal he does A deal has done crew in New
Speaker 1: Orleans this year that might have a chance. Deal can't
Speaker 1: be done in March with the new league year has
Speaker 1: to be salted away before the deadline. And at Cleveland
Speaker 1: it absolutely is because I didn't get I did research,
Speaker 1: and you are still even despite all the whispers that
Speaker 1: you can trade for a coach, I mean for a
Speaker 1: coach at a later date, that little, that little Nook
Speaker 1: and Cranny. I'd have to look up, but you can't.
Speaker 1: But you can trade a coach, and so you can.
Speaker 1: You can you can trade high executives or coaches under
Speaker 1: the league's tampering rule. I don't know about the timing,
Speaker 1: but it feels like this in my dynasty fantasy a
Speaker 1: couple of times, right. I mean, I feel like, I
Speaker 1: know you thought I was gonna go Belichick, but because
Speaker 1: you just tweeted last night, it's a night, and this
Speaker 1: is the second tweet just like this that's been sent
Speaker 1: out on a random night, it's an ideal time for
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick to fly full circle back to the Brown
Speaker 1: I think that makes nobody. That makes sense too. I
Speaker 1: think that makes sense too. But I don't think that
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft would ever ever play party to that at
Speaker 1: all unless Belichick has an outclause. And I don't think
Speaker 1: Belichick will go to Cleveland. Yeah, well, I would say
Speaker 1: it would be fine if you let Belichick be the owner,
Speaker 1: just give him the team, because he would work for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslum as soon as he would, you know, work
Speaker 1: for what. That's why I don't see that. I just
Speaker 1: don't see that as realistic. I do think though, if
Speaker 1: you're Sean Payton, You're you go from do you want
Speaker 1: to sit there with year forty two? Or do you
Speaker 1: suddenly have Baker Mayfield the third most cap space in
Speaker 1: the league, another like ten near leven draft picks and
Speaker 1: one of the more talented rosters on the rise, like
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. Go from winning a title potentially with New
Speaker 1: Orleans to Bill Parcels used to do this with Super
Speaker 1: Bowl while you're negotiating with other teams on the phone
Speaker 1: during Super Bowl Week. It's fair well because I think
Speaker 1: Sean Payton could in this in this world, Sean Payton
Speaker 1: goes and says, look, I've won you two super Bowls.
Speaker 1: I've been here for twelve years. I want to make it.
Speaker 1: But my takeaway from this is the Bruce Arians does
Speaker 1: not excite you. I mean he does, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that the Browns necessarily are excited by Bruce Arians. Really,
Speaker 1: I just don't know, but that Sean Payton would excite
Speaker 1: me more. These are high times, uh, for the Sean
Speaker 1: Payton fans, But it wasn't that long ago that he
Speaker 1: was like seven or nine, three years in a row.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a lot to give up the Browns.
Speaker 1: What did you give up? Again? It was to first
Speaker 1: because I just don't think. I don't, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think. I think if you get the coach that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have for ten more years, who cares about
Speaker 1: two first? John Payton's worth more than Odell Beckham. I
Speaker 1: think Sean Payton has engineered a top five offense every
Speaker 1: single year, so every even though there's but now Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield and he's recreated himself. You're right about the seven
Speaker 1: and nine, But then he doesn't just flatline and get
Speaker 1: words a defensive guy. Dan doesn't like it at all. No,
Speaker 1: it's we just gotta keep moving west. You're up. That
Speaker 1: was a good That was a good, A good conversation,
Speaker 1: this one on both sides. This one is in a
Speaker 1: closer atmosphere um and not nearly as exciting and minor
Speaker 1: like you gotta Cowboys need one more weapon on offense
Speaker 1: and their tight ends are hurt. Team. They need a
Speaker 1: guy who's played at a Pro Bowl level this year
Speaker 1: for a team going nowhere. Jared Cook of the Raiders,
Speaker 1: who's a free agent after the year, to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: for a fourth round pick. See, that's very believable. It
Speaker 1: might be a little high price, but that is the
Speaker 1: type of trade you would see. I think on December first.
Speaker 1: Jared Cook, who's playing great. It's had a great year
Speaker 1: for the Raiders, and if I'm him, I'm not resigning
Speaker 1: to play for that. What's going on in Dallas now
Speaker 1: at the tight end position, Jeff much starter, he just
Speaker 1: had surgery on his wrists, So they've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of nobody's in there. They need another. They won't play Ricos,
Speaker 1: They've had almost no production there. I mean, I never
Speaker 1: saw I thought i'd see a season where Jared Cook
Speaker 1: is easily the number one receiver on his team. But
Speaker 1: he's done a nice job with it in Oakland, including
Speaker 1: one kind of an under the radar one of the
Speaker 1: best touchdown catches of the entire season last year last week,
Speaker 1: I mean, and falling backwards, and an underthrown throw one handed.
Speaker 1: He's been great. One of the best playoff catches of
Speaker 1: the last ten years, Aaron Rodgers, probably the best throw
Speaker 1: of the last ten years. Yeah, well, and that came
Speaker 1: against these very cowboys. There you go, yeah, go get
Speaker 1: the guy who beat you. Revenge. Just if you can't
Speaker 1: beat him, go get him. Uh, that's a great one.
Speaker 1: I don't know who says no there. I think that
Speaker 1: that happens. We gotta put this is an approval. That's
Speaker 1: a lifeline. Right there is that our first trade, I
Speaker 1: feel like makes a lot of sense. Alright, so the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: I think the Pats accepted that ziggy ansa deal. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm word with him. Patriots, Yep, they said yes, Damndel
Speaker 1: as well. So we got three. Oh wait, Sean Payton
Speaker 1: is gonna be the head coach of the Browns. That
Speaker 1: one worked too. We're on fire. The Jaguars. They had
Speaker 1: their shot windows open, they couldn't get through. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: they got dang by Operation Pink Pony in the title game.
Speaker 1: But that's that's what's done is done. Now they have
Speaker 1: that defense that's regressing. They have the worst quarterback mess
Speaker 1: in the league. And yes, could they circle the wagons
Speaker 1: on d next year and get back to an approximation
Speaker 1: of their two thousands, sixteen or seventeen level. Perhaps, But
Speaker 1: are they gonna be able to pull off a trade,
Speaker 1: uh to bring in a quarterback who can get the
Speaker 1: job done? Um, that's hard to do. I don't know
Speaker 1: who you would even target in that scenario. So you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna go to the draft, and then you're looking
Speaker 1: at kind of a soft reboot for this team as
Speaker 1: close as they came. Soft reboot. Yeah, it's a soft one, uh,
Speaker 1: knowing Tom Coughlin and Tommy's upset. Tommy's upset Greg, And
Speaker 1: you like it because you've got all this rage built
Speaker 1: up about Tom coughlind those two Super Bowls. So you're
Speaker 1: enjoying what's happening right now with Coughlin. And what did
Speaker 1: he say in the media this week? He said, he
Speaker 1: said he put on some he'll he'll put on the
Speaker 1: gloves and defend all the decisions he made and he
Speaker 1: does not regret giving Blake board as a monster contract.
Speaker 1: So he's putting on the gloves, and you want he
Speaker 1: seems like a guy that's gonna shake it up. And
Speaker 1: I think you know where I'm going on this one, right,
Speaker 1: big shake up? No, because they're good players are in defense.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, uh is a wildly talented, you know, diva
Speaker 1: but wildly talented cornerback, and he might not want to
Speaker 1: be there anymore. And and I've I saw this with
Speaker 1: my own team with Keyshawn Johnson. This becomes a major
Speaker 1: issue when the star that's very outgoing, charismatic talks a lot,
Speaker 1: can't stop talking. Maybe not the best guy when things
Speaker 1: are going bad. Sometimes it doesn't. It's not the worst
Speaker 1: idea to to move that guy if you can really
Speaker 1: get an offer that makes sense. Allen Ramsey and a
Speaker 1: second round pick in and a conditional fifth round pick
Speaker 1: in to the Chiefs for a first round pick in,
Speaker 1: a first round pick in, a third round pick in,
Speaker 1: and a sixth round pick in. Holy smokes, And if
Speaker 1: you were tracking that those are the same terms of
Speaker 1: the deal that sent Khalil Mack to the Bears. And
Speaker 1: like Mac, I'm motivated and re energized. Jalen Ramsey could
Speaker 1: have a transformative effect on any defense. He joins, Ramsey
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs and let's go to the Lombardi Riser.
Speaker 1: That's a lot to give up to. So I just
Speaker 1: don't think I thought I was telling. The Jaguars released
Speaker 1: a statement right after that those trade rumors popped up
Speaker 1: that they just wouldn't even consider it. They they he's
Speaker 1: in the third year of his rookie contract, though, so
Speaker 1: that this would be a logical time if you're gonna
Speaker 1: move it. And I do think the Chiefs in this
Speaker 1: exercise should be the team that are pushing all the
Speaker 1: chips in. And if you're looking at the Jaguars, I
Speaker 1: think Malake Jackson would maybe be up for Rabs right now,
Speaker 1: not sure he's gonna be back with that team next year.
Speaker 1: And Class Campbell would be a guy that you know
Speaker 1: I'd be calling in. So this would be an advantage
Speaker 1: of December first trading deadline because I think you could
Speaker 1: maybe get one of those defensive linemen not sure about Ramsey.
Speaker 1: That would be tough. I had a different cornerback going
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs from Dan's very own Jets, Mo Claiborne,
Speaker 1: a free agent m to the year to the Chiefs
Speaker 1: for a more reasonable like mid round pick. I would
Speaker 1: love to see the Chiefs if the Patriots can't make it.
Speaker 1: I just think it'd be a great story. So we
Speaker 1: all had similar ideas here. I think Jalen Ramsey needs
Speaker 1: like a month with a DOLLI Lama more than he
Speaker 1: needs to trade get rid of all that hatred Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll maybe it'll be a story this offsee possible.
Speaker 1: Do you think Mac and Ramsey are similar in terms
Speaker 1: of how they can change the defense. No, I think
Speaker 1: Maxworth Moore. Yeah, I think Maxworth because I you know,
Speaker 1: a absolute top tier cornerback if you believe in j
Speaker 1: Ramsey at that level, can really change things. Hey mean
Speaker 1: he's in the same conversation. I'm not. I'm not putting
Speaker 1: him in the Darrelle Revis top level cornerback half the field.
Speaker 1: I think he's a great if one half that fields gone.
Speaker 1: He's been truly dominant one season out of three. He's
Speaker 1: a really great player. But you're putting him in the
Speaker 1: level of Hall of famers. I don't think he's played
Speaker 1: at that level except for last year. You're banking on
Speaker 1: the potential a little bit too sure, Okay, close it out, great,
Speaker 1: had some chiefs and jag stuff. Let's let's go with
Speaker 1: the one that, yeah, I got a lot of trade.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's add one that not only is
Speaker 1: it made, the trade has made this week. Um, but
Speaker 1: they they work out a deal where no one even
Speaker 1: knows about it until the pregame introductions on Sunday, forty Seahawks.
Speaker 1: They're introducing the Seahawks legion. Who's Who's the last name
Speaker 1: that they call, oh wait a second, Oh no, is
Speaker 1: that is that Richard Sherman's music coming out? He's not
Speaker 1: with the Fortyers anymore. They're in the visiting locker room.
Speaker 1: He's coming out with the Sea Hawks. They bring him
Speaker 1: back because now they're in the playoff race. They know
Speaker 1: it and Shermans playing at such a high level waste
Speaker 1: kind of wasted away on the forty Niners. We don't
Speaker 1: need him anymore. There were some tough things said, but
Speaker 1: ultimately Sherman is a Seahawk. He knows that the fans
Speaker 1: love him, and let's go make a fun last playoff
Speaker 1: push and I don't you know, costs a let's say
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick that reminds me of There was
Speaker 1: a lot of uh, some back talk from Sherman, who
Speaker 1: really was It seemed to be It's funny how life
Speaker 1: can come back to bite you in the old buttocks
Speaker 1: because he's he thought he was on the rising NFC
Speaker 1: West team and he was taking shots at what he
Speaker 1: thought was a declining giant. And here we are entering
Speaker 1: December and the Seahawks are still a player in the
Speaker 1: NFC and the Niners are one of the worst teams
Speaker 1: in football. The problem is like then the Seahawks will
Speaker 1: get eliminated like fourteen days later, and you've got Richard
Speaker 1: Sherman back on your roster going playing the off season.
Speaker 1: It's like asking for a new contract here. Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: doesn't want another go round with Richard Sherman, and that
Speaker 1: they like Shaquille Griffin and Trey Flowers, Well, they should,
Speaker 1: they should. They should like Richard Sherman because he's a
Speaker 1: much better player than either of those guys right now.
Speaker 1: But they've been winning all year with these guys and
Speaker 1: they want to keep winning with him. And I think
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, both the front office, Schneider and Carol feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good about themselves that they were able to purge
Speaker 1: some of these big dramatics of it. It's like when
Speaker 1: the rest you know in arrest it turns that heel
Speaker 1: to a hero or even goes from like W C
Speaker 1: W two W didn't you didn't see it coming? Sure?
Speaker 1: This was the A yeah that would work bro Uh
Speaker 1: good trades guys. Sean Jackson I thought was gonna get dealt,
Speaker 1: but he he hasn't made a plan about two months.
Speaker 1: Not all his fault, but I would like to add him.
Speaker 1: Didn't he go to a specialist this week to check
Speaker 1: out his thumb. Yeah, he's got a thumb issue as well.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to catch pass. It's even Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham can't do all right, there are the trades before
Speaker 1: we go Thursday night football. We got a good one.
Speaker 1: It's the Saints writing a ten game winning streak. Uh.
Speaker 1: And here's a nice challenge. They go to a big D.
Speaker 1: Connie on the Twitter Show, it's not gonna suggested that
Speaker 1: it's time to move on from the term big D.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that big day. Um. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that's where they're going for this game.
Speaker 1: I respect. I kind of like that one. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to her no longer say okay, that's fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Um, But here we are the Redskins. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are on a three game winning streak. But here,
Speaker 1: um Mark Sessler is the test of their season. The
Speaker 1: Saints unstoppable, scary in prime time. Yeah. I I keep
Speaker 1: hearing how great of a game this is, and you
Speaker 1: can make an argument for it. But my my concern
Speaker 1: number one would be if Tyrone Smith is not available
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys because when he's not been in the
Speaker 1: lineup that offense, that offense is a completely different operation.
Speaker 1: And Dak Prescott has been sacked as much as any
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. And so that you're playing a
Speaker 1: Saints defense that everyone talks about the offense, can Jordan
Speaker 1: Sheldon Rankin's the way that they're operating up front. They're
Speaker 1: very dangerous. They haven't allowed you know, they're allowing less
Speaker 1: than twenty points per game. I I don't really see
Speaker 1: this as a game that's going to be close potentially
Speaker 1: at all. This is gonna be the unmasking of the Cowboys. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm covering it, so I'd like it just to be
Speaker 1: a big old romp as always just but I I
Speaker 1: also but you know what, I'll say this, I love it.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the Saints a game though. On
Speaker 1: My one thing about the Saints versus other teams is
Speaker 1: the Saints winning forty two ten is exciting to me
Speaker 1: versus other teams winning to forty to ten. And I
Speaker 1: think we've taught someone else made a similar comment. I
Speaker 1: I want the Saints to get home field advantage. I
Speaker 1: want them to go to the Super Bowl. And I
Speaker 1: want them to continue to take care of business and
Speaker 1: this and the Cowboys don't feel like the team to me,
Speaker 1: that is the antidote here. Not to labor the point,
Speaker 1: but what's more exciting to Saints or SATs forty to here? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: Because sometimes I like to see it's not every team.
Speaker 1: I like to see a team drop a mega hammer,
Speaker 1: and they are in that mode right now of just
Speaker 1: dropping hammers every week. I often would be unhappy with that,
Speaker 1: but I like it with the Saints. Okay, you don't
Speaker 1: need to. But if you were a tavern, if you
Speaker 1: were in a tavern, you want I honestly love blowouts.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I like to see big massacres. I don't need.
Speaker 1: There's every game is thirty one in the NFL right now?
Speaker 1: A bomb? Alright? Okay, uh, well, the Cowboys have scored
Speaker 1: They scored thirty one points on the Redskins last week.
Speaker 1: That's a nice job in two NFL get to that
Speaker 1: thirty mark. But they've only done it one time all
Speaker 1: season before that. I mean, what's the absolute minimum number
Speaker 1: of points that the Saints are going to score? What?
Speaker 1: Thirty four? They're averaging thirty seven I think this season.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys are gonna have to score points and
Speaker 1: and Wes, you were right on Cooper that he could
Speaker 1: have a big effect on this team. The Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna have to come out and Zeke Elliott's gonna have
Speaker 1: to go nuts, and Cooper is gonna have to have
Speaker 1: a touchdown or two. It's asking a lot, but at
Speaker 1: least they're in their building. You can make a case
Speaker 1: that they can hang around here. They need to score touchdowns.
Speaker 1: On offense, you need to control the ball, and when
Speaker 1: they get in the red zone, you don't settle for
Speaker 1: field goals. You get Zeke Elliott, Amari Cooper, whoever into
Speaker 1: the end zone. Um, that's that's how it starts. And
Speaker 1: then your defense, which to me, the Saints and Cowboys
Speaker 1: have two of the most fun defenses in the league,
Speaker 1: and they're not traditionally known as defensive powerhouses. But outside
Speaker 1: of the Bears, I think I trust these two defenses
Speaker 1: as much as anyone in I do. I think the
Speaker 1: way the Saints are playing on defense right now, either
Speaker 1: people aren't paying attention because of the offense, well, I
Speaker 1: mean their defense. They were in Matt Ryan's grill the
Speaker 1: entire game last weekend. He's still through. For well, he's
Speaker 1: still through because he's good. That's what happened. But Layton
Speaker 1: vander Ish to me is one of the most fun
Speaker 1: linebackers in the league to watch right now. DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: is an All Pro candidate. Jalen Smith has been every
Speaker 1: bit what the Cowboys hoped they would be when they
Speaker 1: took a chance on him. This is a really good defense.
Speaker 1: And if they can get after Drew Brees and force
Speaker 1: a few turnovers, that's your recipe. Score deep, score touchdowns
Speaker 1: on offense and get after Drew Brees on defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: NFL Networks excited, Foxes excited, the Cowboys are winning. It's
Speaker 1: like everyone has this Cowboys fever lately, and I feel
Speaker 1: like only like a prescription from Dr Rainmaker is gonna
Speaker 1: because again because because I'm not firing it, I'm not
Speaker 1: fighting this Cowboys team. There, I didn't know a long.
Speaker 1: Do we have permission from Annie Lennox to use that
Speaker 1: in a gambling Just let's keep it on the down.
Speaker 1: This is just if you're in a competitive, no money
Speaker 1: at stake league. I could can I hear that acapella?
Speaker 1: Then if that was your voice, didn't do anything getting
Speaker 1: four more of these propositions during tomorrow's preview show. I
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll have to. It's not about it's not
Speaker 1: about making rules, about having fun, and it's about it's
Speaker 1: about a feeling like you can't control the rain. It's
Speaker 1: you're feeling either gonna come or not. The lawsuit. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, I really, I really do believe that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been overrated the last few weeks. Okay, DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence has been an unbelievable player. If he's going to
Speaker 1: be the defensive Player of the year type of guy,
Speaker 1: and he's played at the level like make a bunch
Speaker 1: of plays to win this game with Ron Armstead hurt.
Speaker 1: But I I don't see defenses doing that in key
Speaker 1: spots this year. Uh Byron Jones make some plays covering
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. This it came out as about a touchdown,
Speaker 1: a touchdown spas hoping it would maybe go down for that.
Speaker 1: It was hoping it would go below that. It's not right.
Speaker 1: It's right at seven and spread. It's here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: they could keep it close for two and a half quarters.
Speaker 1: Couldn't you see that? Do you really see them stopping them? Uh?
Speaker 1: Drive after driving. And actually I agree with Mark. The
Speaker 1: Saints are better than every team in the league. They
Speaker 1: are a blowout team. And as much as I want
Speaker 1: this to be a game, and I do, I do
Speaker 1: respect the Cowboys. I think they're the best team in
Speaker 1: the East. They're not even in the same league I
Speaker 1: did see right now, But I don't yet respect their
Speaker 1: passing game. Dak Prescott has in PFF has a stat
Speaker 1: for it. So we agree we are going to blow
Speaker 1: them in which sacks? Which which quarterbacks have been at
Speaker 1: fault for the most sacks of on their own team
Speaker 1: where it's not the offensive and it's stacked by far
Speaker 1: and and I don't and you may not have your
Speaker 1: left tackle and you and you're watching that game against
Speaker 1: the Falcons that the passing game to me is still
Speaker 1: very rudimentary. They're that old, old school team and they're
Speaker 1: gonna make face the future. Bad news you're gambling, and
Speaker 1: bad news for you, Mark, No gambling, but that's it's
Speaker 1: not bad news like this will be invested. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't really care. To be clear, there's no
Speaker 1: there's no there's nothing going on here that's against league rules.
Speaker 1: And uh, anyone anyone's taking my advice. You know, be warned,
Speaker 1: I can not only un personal demon for Greg. That's
Speaker 1: gonna tug all of us down because now without any
Speaker 1: sort of consultation, he's just using music that we're not
Speaker 1: allowed to use to sell his little segment that he's
Speaker 1: gonna use four more times during tomorrow's show. Didn't win
Speaker 1: by at least ten points, was six weeks ago. Well,
Speaker 1: that they're due for a close game, and that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, or you get your money back, everybody. I'm covered.
Speaker 1: There's no money in can get Greg's money. We'll be
Speaker 1: back on Thursday night with a recap of what's gonna
Speaker 1: be obviously either a blowout or a barn burner with
Speaker 1: no in between, and then we'll preview all of the
Speaker 1: week thirteen games. We're coming down the stretch now, uh
Speaker 1: so make sure you follow along. This is Dan hands
Speaker 1: Is signing up Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The Old Boss,
Speaker 1: and Ricky Tampos, Finn Glass, Ricky Hollywood, the Loose Cabbage.
Speaker 1: Is a lot of things still Thursday Night, m HM.