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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Ands,
Speaker 1: and I'm joining the room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Roosevelt. What is up? Boys? And
Speaker 1: then have it for the record, have a zero right?
Speaker 1: Where did I come? Second thoughts or whatever that even means. But, uh,
Speaker 1: the Jet suck and I have to deal with that
Speaker 1: reality for another year, and we're gonna get to them
Speaker 1: a little bit later, maybe longer. The uh probably many
Speaker 1: years longer, it would be my guess. We have a
Speaker 1: lot to get to today. This is gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the busiest Sunday shows of the year because not
Speaker 1: only do we have to talk about all the teams,
Speaker 1: nobody's Greg. It's nice. That means we're in the stretch run.
Speaker 1: We are on the stretch run. There's also some big
Speaker 1: NFL new us in a couple of different locations, including
Speaker 1: where we will start today, Uh to Green Bay. Here's
Speaker 1: the snap placement kick end over end to the uprights
Speaker 1: and it is no good. Oh no, And the Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals have defeated the green Bay Packers twenty to seventeen.
Speaker 1: M M. There is the voice of Wayne Laravy and
Speaker 1: Larry mccaron, Packers Radio Network. The disappointment in their voices
Speaker 1: matches the disappointment of the two thousand and eighteen Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, who lose again uh, this time at home
Speaker 1: to the Arizona Cardinals seventeen the final. This was as
Speaker 1: low as it gets for the Packers, and it led
Speaker 1: to some hashtag breaking news that Mike McCarthy is no
Speaker 1: longer the head coach of the green Bay Packers, and
Speaker 1: in a move that shocked a lot of people. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Packers this too, you know, do away with the
Speaker 1: farce of just letting the season play out. They knew
Speaker 1: McCarthy was no longer their guy, so they make the
Speaker 1: decision with Greg Rosenthal to move on. McCarthy had a
Speaker 1: fantastic starting Green Bay, but a really tough finish and
Speaker 1: now Joe Filman takes over for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: It's an offseason of change coming it's the head start
Speaker 1: to find the next coach. So why go on with
Speaker 1: the charade of of making Mike McCarthy go through what
Speaker 1: would inevitably be a painful month, because if you can't
Speaker 1: beat the Cardinals at home, you probably gotta lose some
Speaker 1: more games, and it would just be miserable for a
Speaker 1: guy who has won a lot of games there since
Speaker 1: he got hired. Only the Patriots have had more ten
Speaker 1: win seasons. Uh, then McCarthy and the Packers, And so
Speaker 1: I think that was the frustrating part of the McCarthy
Speaker 1: eras that they were always in the mix. But his
Speaker 1: game management, his inability, I think to evolve with the time.
Speaker 1: At the time he was hired, he was kind of
Speaker 1: thought of as a forward thinker, a guy who was
Speaker 1: very past happy. People thought to pass happy Sean Payton disciple.
Speaker 1: But it worked for a while, but it has not
Speaker 1: worked for the last few years. It feels like this
Speaker 1: was bound to happen. But if you look over the
Speaker 1: course of the season, there was there was some bad
Speaker 1: luck and some poor football in key situations, but this team,
Speaker 1: it wasn't bound to happen. Clay Matthews had those plays
Speaker 1: and the Vikings and Redskins games that turned against the Packers.
Speaker 1: H Crosby missed some big kicks, He had the fumbles
Speaker 1: in the Rams and Patriots game that We're big. Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones wasn't playing enough. You had the injuries at wide
Speaker 1: receiver and defense. It was a lot of events that
Speaker 1: conspired against the Packers, who were in most of the
Speaker 1: games issue. I also think that last year's team revealed
Speaker 1: that as soon as Aaron Rodgers is not in the
Speaker 1: mix and capable, the Green Bay Packers were not a
Speaker 1: very good football team, and they continued to not be
Speaker 1: a very good team around Aaron Rodgers this year. And
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers turned thirty five today, and Mike McCarthy for
Speaker 1: all his wins and he did do overall, U he
Speaker 1: if you could have known that you would have had
Speaker 1: that many intriguing winning seasons and a Super Bowl title.
Speaker 1: It's not just on Mike McCarthy, but you now have
Speaker 1: a thirty five year old Aaron Rodgers and a coach
Speaker 1: that spent his entire career in Green Bay with Brett
Speaker 1: Farve and Rodgers and won one Super Bowl. I view
Speaker 1: that as a disappointing result with the endgame being winning
Speaker 1: Super Bowl makes no mistake. This is going to be
Speaker 1: probably the top job. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are gonna say uh in the off season because you
Speaker 1: get to go to a historic franchise with an all
Speaker 1: time quarterback and you get to be the guy that
Speaker 1: potentially turns things around. But the other thing, don't mistake
Speaker 1: this to be a situation. They're gonna go bring in
Speaker 1: a new guy and all of a sudden, the Packers
Speaker 1: are gonna be okay because this has not been just
Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy or just about Aaron Rodgers not having
Speaker 1: his greatest season this year. There's a lot of rotting
Speaker 1: rotting the foundation in Green Bay, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of work that needs to be done. I I don't
Speaker 1: think this is a bad roster though, at least going
Speaker 1: into it's okay. But if he's going into the year,
Speaker 1: I thought it could be a super Bowl type type
Speaker 1: winning roster. And we you saw with Sean mcbig. If
Speaker 1: you have the right person with the right vision and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I mean, there's certainly no worries about rebuilding
Speaker 1: or anything this They should be a team that can contend.
Speaker 1: I've already seen Josh McDaniel's thrown out, but the next
Speaker 1: the next coach cannot wait four years to make it happen.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is thirty five years old. We we had
Speaker 1: this similar discussion a couple of years ago. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, what's wrong with Mike McCarthy. And to me,
Speaker 1: it always comes down to trust. I think the trust
Speaker 1: between the two of them has dissolved over the last
Speaker 1: two years. I think Aaron Rodgers didn't like it that
Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelt was replaced by Frank Signetti p I
Speaker 1: as the quarterbacks coach. He didn't like it when Jordy
Speaker 1: Nelson was sent packing and this offense because of the
Speaker 1: style in which he plays, that improv style. He doesn't
Speaker 1: always execute Mike McCarthy's offense, which means he has to
Speaker 1: have a lot of chemistry and trust with the offensive line,
Speaker 1: the running game, and the wide receivers. And when Jordy
Speaker 1: Nelson's gone, randall Cobb's out, Geronimo Allison's out, you can
Speaker 1: mixing in all these rookie quarterbacks. There's not that trust
Speaker 1: level when the play breaks down. He needs a new
Speaker 1: voice that it'll be it'll be exciting to see. I
Speaker 1: think for football fans to see a new voice, they
Speaker 1: just did it a year too late. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not so you're not celebrating guy getting fired, but I
Speaker 1: think last the end of last season was the logical
Speaker 1: time to do it. They wasted this year And this
Speaker 1: stuff is always kind of funny to me, the way
Speaker 1: sports works. But Mason Crosby, uh mr is a forty
Speaker 1: nine yard or that would have put the game in overtime.
Speaker 1: So he makes that kick. You know you don't file
Speaker 1: fire Mike McCarthy. So I guess have the team internally
Speaker 1: decided we're going to keep this guy around until we
Speaker 1: lose one more game? Is that? I think? Maybe? So?
Speaker 1: I think to Greg's point that it had gotten negative
Speaker 1: enough and in ways we don't even know. And into
Speaker 1: the Cardinals is different than a normal at four point
Speaker 1: four yards per play against the Cardinals, who have a
Speaker 1: very good defense, but that's you're an offensive team. You
Speaker 1: can't do the outside of that. Bears winning when we
Speaker 1: were in London and Week one the opener, I mean,
Speaker 1: they have the wins over the Bills, Niners, and Dolphins.
Speaker 1: There's nothing to point to to keep Mike McCarthy around.
Speaker 1: Beyond this season, So make it happen and get the
Speaker 1: search going. And this is probably a B or even
Speaker 1: a C story connected to this game. But Steve Wilkes,
Speaker 1: who there were reports entering Sunday's play that his seat
Speaker 1: is very hot even though he just took the job.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty nice win for Steve Wilkes. So
Speaker 1: perhaps the game that gets McCarthy fired buys Wilkes another year.
Speaker 1: We'll We'll have to see. Is that a good thing
Speaker 1: if you're Cardinals. I wonder that that. That's an interesting
Speaker 1: report because it makes you wonder about Steve Kim too.
Speaker 1: Is he going to be allowed to fire and hire
Speaker 1: another coach? Well? Rap Sheet reported Sunday morning that both
Speaker 1: of those guys are on the hot sea and Come
Speaker 1: they actually it looks like the draft class isn't bad.
Speaker 1: It's more an issue that's not happen off the field
Speaker 1: with Come and and that was a stain. It's why
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals draft class is that good.
Speaker 1: It's wild, though, that the Cardinals have won three games
Speaker 1: and the Packers have won four. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: not wild when you keep the buck and here's one
Speaker 1: more games in the Packers. Let's move on like the Packers.
Speaker 1: Giants bring pressure glists, a deep ball down the middle
Speaker 1: of the field, best beat it away and complete generous
Speaker 1: Jackens knocked it away in The Giants will win the
Speaker 1: ball game thirty seven and over time. One less fun
Speaker 1: fact the first Cardinals winning lambo since nineteen forty night.
Speaker 1: Who was the presidents? Taft? Taft Truman? Harry Truman? They
Speaker 1: would have been to Chicago Cardinals. Then are you a
Speaker 1: Russian operative one? No, I you know, I just threw
Speaker 1: out the first old president that came to mind, and
Speaker 1: Taft was an absurd answer. I will be leaving early
Speaker 1: Genares Jakins broke up a chase Daniels passed on fourth
Speaker 1: and long, the final play in a while thirty three
Speaker 1: to thirty win over the Bears at the Metal Lands,
Speaker 1: and the Bears wiped out a ten point deficit with
Speaker 1: less than two minutes to play in regulation. They kicked
Speaker 1: the field goal, then they recovered an onside kick, only
Speaker 1: the fourth on side kick recovered all season. By the way,
Speaker 1: streets are topped by the Bears, by the Bears, by anybody,
Speaker 1: Is that any higher or lower than any of the
Speaker 1: lower that the new rules people believe has made it
Speaker 1: more difficult. Okay, I'm not. I don't feverishly tracked that
Speaker 1: stat typically wake up spel and the Bears scored on
Speaker 1: a trick play throw his time expired from Tariko and
Speaker 1: too Anthony Miller. But it wasn't meant to be for
Speaker 1: the team of around the NFL, and they'll be fine
Speaker 1: four and uh and the Vikings and the Packers and
Speaker 1: the Lions. Everyone in the NFC North lost in fact
Speaker 1: this week. Uh so the Bears don't lose any ground,
Speaker 1: but uh still uh this is not a great uh
Speaker 1: day for Chicago. But it's a reminder that it's time
Speaker 1: west for Mitch Drabinsky to get back onto the field
Speaker 1: because Chase Daniel ultimately, even though he made some plays
Speaker 1: and kept this game in the and kept the Bears
Speaker 1: in the mix, he's a limited quarterback. And the sooner
Speaker 1: you can get Rabinsky back, the better you can feel
Speaker 1: about the team of at n Absolutely, I think Rabinsky
Speaker 1: is a little underrated and Chase Daniel became a little
Speaker 1: overrated last week after that game against the Lions. And
Speaker 1: Rabinsky from all reports, looked really good throwing the ball
Speaker 1: before the game on Sunday, and he's fully expected to
Speaker 1: play next week in a big game against the Rams.
Speaker 1: You need you need offense. I mean, you can't count
Speaker 1: on your defense to win games on their own. And
Speaker 1: you look at the final score and you think, wow,
Speaker 1: the Bears defense maybe not their best game. But then
Speaker 1: then you look, it's like the Giants had seven drives
Speaker 1: in the first half, you know, seven or eight more
Speaker 1: in the second. When you when you have an offense
Speaker 1: with the Bears that are having these short drives that
Speaker 1: are turning the ball over. They did it three times.
Speaker 1: There's only so many times you can stop a team
Speaker 1: in two thousand in seventeen like they had sixteen drives.
Speaker 1: The only the only eighteen what year is it's like
Speaker 1: they only had three? Podcast do not have a grasp
Speaker 1: over basic facts. That's what you're learning about twelve minutes
Speaker 1: in uh, Greg, you're right, by the way. You've said
Speaker 1: this a couple of times, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: The Giants who showed some life. They blew that game
Speaker 1: against the Eagles last week. But the only thing really
Speaker 1: separating Big Blue from these other NFC East teams is
Speaker 1: a couple of games that they blew. I mean the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are. The Cowboys are playing better now. My point
Speaker 1: on the Giants is, I think when you look at
Speaker 1: them on bound, they're more of a six and ten team.
Speaker 1: They're not like, they don't look like a three or
Speaker 1: four win team. There are six or seven win team,
Speaker 1: and they'll probably end up there there. Now. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're not good. I'm just saying they're they're like the
Speaker 1: twenty second there's two most talented players on the field
Speaker 1: every time. They take the day exactly and that helps.
Speaker 1: And and even in a quiet game sake, se Kwan
Speaker 1: Barkley went over well over a hundred yards from scrimmage.
Speaker 1: He is getting closer and closer to just locking up
Speaker 1: that Rookie Year award. And one last note from the
Speaker 1: Giant since you brought up back Beckham Uh. He caught
Speaker 1: a lot of heat and even the owner kind of
Speaker 1: came after him a little bit in the press. But
Speaker 1: week after week, this guy is producing. In this game,
Speaker 1: he had a really fun touchdown pass uh to another shepherd,
Speaker 1: which I'm way down on two of the same two
Speaker 1: shepherds on the same the same yeah, and and with
Speaker 1: the spelling too. And we calmed down a little bit
Speaker 1: with that, and he also had a receiving a touchdown
Speaker 1: on fourth down. So yeah, if the UH West, you
Speaker 1: are very lucky. You're very fortunate that the Giants blew
Speaker 1: that game last week. Can you imagine what would be
Speaker 1: own on in New York? Well, there's already one last week,
Speaker 1: there's already talked. Ralph Facciano had to report last week
Speaker 1: a source close to the team saying that you know,
Speaker 1: they certainly haven't ruled out Eli Manning starting again next year,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't I mean that actually makes sense. Right
Speaker 1: until you have somebody better than him, you can't rule
Speaker 1: him in one quick thing on the Bears, like I know,
Speaker 1: we can just look past us and say they'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Everything's okay. I this this division number one is the
Speaker 1: most underwhelming division around. I mean, does anyone want to
Speaker 1: make a statement go on the road and the NFC North,
Speaker 1: I said, this division? Have they been great? You have
Speaker 1: the Rams, Packers and Vikings left. I'm not gonna kill
Speaker 1: One concern is that if the Cowboys are going down
Speaker 1: some sort of road where they're peaking, you're not assured
Speaker 1: a home playoff game necessarily. I'm just saying they split
Speaker 1: games with their backup quarterback, Terek Cohen's out there catching
Speaker 1: and this hype videos. But I'm telling you this, I said,
Speaker 1: the division is under is an underwhelming he subjunct the arts.
Speaker 1: Seen some of these teams that you didn't like, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them have fallen off the radar. You
Speaker 1: should be happy. Is the team of a t N
Speaker 1: now in your site? No, but I do think that
Speaker 1: you need to show you can go on the road
Speaker 1: and beat the giants. It's it's concerning you have your
Speaker 1: backup quarterback though. I'll give you that. I got you that,
Speaker 1: but I just hey, they're fine, Everything is great. They
Speaker 1: don't get a pass. I give him a pass? Why
Speaker 1: didn't I don't give him a pan? On their own way?
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Brady takes yourself, drops back under press
Speaker 1: the slides, throws a little passed by corder. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: touchdown Patriots and number five seventy nine. Can the career
Speaker 1: of clomb Brady? Feet the man come? They're there. I'll
Speaker 1: code in the outside the place. Are there? Credit Prady
Speaker 1: for haging in the pocket. There's a little pressury. It's
Speaker 1: just too much of this on the back side to
Speaker 1: Charles Gordon, that's enough. That's enough of you. So back,
Speaker 1: Oh there's on the outside, like as if Tom Brady
Speaker 1: doesn't see if it's scotty z season. I mean he
Speaker 1: proved in New England and he did see a whole
Speaker 1: lot on the field. So Bob Sochi and Zolac of
Speaker 1: the Pagriots Radio network with a call Tom Brady past
Speaker 1: for three eleven and a touch, the Pasts defense tightened
Speaker 1: up in the crunch in New England, kept on, kept
Speaker 1: churning to that inevitable thirteen and three over the Vikings
Speaker 1: that Greg disapproving glare at me. Greg. It took the
Speaker 1: Pets some time to figure it out on offense, but
Speaker 1: they did a nice win there, really good win. I
Speaker 1: mean it didn't feel inevitable a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: This studio thought this year felt different. And we get
Speaker 1: it both ways. For the right, I know that it's
Speaker 1: like when they win, it's of course they won. When
Speaker 1: they lose, the dynasty is that you bear. But I've
Speaker 1: tried to save in koh Oh. Well, this is pressure.
Speaker 1: I got to be a Patriots fan for a week
Speaker 1: and I love double do it, I know, but you
Speaker 1: said double do it. I'll accept that all right, and
Speaker 1: there's the lock this week. Just yes, good win for
Speaker 1: the Pats. Oh, this just feel you can't argue it.
Speaker 1: Let them. It was really funny. Bad root for them,
Speaker 1: But now that the now that West and Marcus turned
Speaker 1: against them, it's good to have. I'll give I'll give
Speaker 1: them credit. They are certainly they're six and oh at
Speaker 1: home and they look like when they play at home
Speaker 1: they are one of the best teams in the n
Speaker 1: Guys went out on a limb with that. They're not.
Speaker 1: They're not the best Patriots team, but they're getting healthy
Speaker 1: at the right time. And what I really noticed last
Speaker 1: few weeks, the coaching has done an incredible job. McDaniels
Speaker 1: came in with a very set game plan today of
Speaker 1: what he wanted to do. Had a lot of tricky
Speaker 1: plays adjusted well, I would say during the game. But
Speaker 1: more importantly, Brian floor Is, their defensive coordinator, is dialing
Speaker 1: up a lot of blitz is. They confused Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: They made him, uh checked the ball down again and
Speaker 1: again he ended up you know, below five yards per
Speaker 1: empt in this game. Uh. They seem to confuse him.
Speaker 1: A lot of free rushers getting at him. I like
Speaker 1: what they're doing on defense. Good analysis, Gregg, but you
Speaker 1: totally buried the lead, Erica, what really happened in this game?
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Speaker 1: Thank you next one thousand dab times ten. It was
Speaker 1: well done, very like, very precisely like lanky. Not one
Speaker 1: of my favorite, uh Twitter subplots of the even though
Speaker 1: it's a Pats fan for a day, greg and felt
Speaker 1: great and it was so rewarding. It was just it
Speaker 1: was easy. It was just felt inevitable, all of it.
Speaker 1: Um but the all the all the bits, both from
Speaker 1: Twitter and the major publications of the New England era
Speaker 1: area having fun with a thousand Russian arts of Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a real football point on it. That
Speaker 1: was a great play that points out why Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is Tom Brady. That three yard gain he had um
Speaker 1: he had a hard count before the snap that got
Speaker 1: the Vikings to show their blitz. He realized it was
Speaker 1: gonna be a free rusher right at him and they
Speaker 1: was gonna ruin the play. He decided to run the
Speaker 1: ball the second he got it. Would you almost never
Speaker 1: see It was basically a quarterback sneak he so he
Speaker 1: knew what the play was gonna be before it and
Speaker 1: he picked up a key first down because of it. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is also Vikings side. If you
Speaker 1: this this another NFC North team that I do not.
Speaker 1: I cannot buy them in the playoffs. There's no way
Speaker 1: they're gonna roll at home. They're going to go on
Speaker 1: the road, and this is what you're gonna get. They
Speaker 1: need to be more, they need to be more of
Speaker 1: an offensive team, and they just aren't getting it done.
Speaker 1: They were able to the Patriots were able to shut
Speaker 1: down Digs and feeling they've gotten worse under Cousins and
Speaker 1: d Filippo on offense for whatever reason. Uh, it's just
Speaker 1: the fact they have to go to Seattle next week.
Speaker 1: You might be after paying a king's ransom Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: six six and one heading into your final three games,
Speaker 1: and and you know everyone wants I get why everyone
Speaker 1: wants the Patriots to take a dirt nap and everything,
Speaker 1: But you look at the four teams that made the
Speaker 1: conference championship or at the divisional the conference championship last weekend, like,
Speaker 1: where are they right now? You know, the Eagles are
Speaker 1: probably not gonna make the playoffs, the Vikings we just
Speaker 1: saw this, The Jaguars are not going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So even in a down year, it's like, I appreciate
Speaker 1: how that they can stay in the mix and you
Speaker 1: can lock up you can lock up New England against
Speaker 1: Miami next week and continue That's what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: it's like that hard to do that. The final four teams,
Speaker 1: they're the only one that's back in it, and all
Speaker 1: we're talking about this year or a lot of it
Speaker 1: is that they're not at the same level. They're not,
Speaker 1: but they're figuring out when That's something I brought up
Speaker 1: on this podcast and the scientists you guys have kind
Speaker 1: of shot me down on it. Kirk Cousins, I guess
Speaker 1: he's having a great year, but in this game getting worse.
Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm getting ready to see them steal a
Speaker 1: game in New Wagland and he shows he doesn't show us.
Speaker 1: It was not an impressive showing. He's had a couple
Speaker 1: of his worst games in the last few weeks. Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins and cracks me up. It's like only what happens
Speaker 1: when you're watching the game matters and last week because
Speaker 1: we're recording a podcast while he's out playing Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: like nobody pays attention to it. He had a great
Speaker 1: game last week. Yeah, two of the last three weeks.
Speaker 1: He struggle about the record. It is the Patriots just
Speaker 1: on Cousins. Either Rex Burkhead returning helps this team. The
Speaker 1: backfield of White, Michelle and burke Head is really strong.
Speaker 1: They've kind of become a run first team that wants
Speaker 1: to play a little heavy and I think that that well,
Speaker 1: we know they like the Whites, so a lot of
Speaker 1: James Delvillin. They're looking strong, they're looking healthy. They got
Speaker 1: they got big wins when attrition had said in a
Speaker 1: month or two ago, and now they're rulling eighteen straight
Speaker 1: winning seasons for the Patriots, the only team that has
Speaker 1: had more. This surprised me a little bit. The Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys went twenty straight five. Let's move on, kill brand Prespective,
Speaker 1: he hit us, he closed the ball off center sething
Speaker 1: tchecked off on the twelve yard line. Tampa Bay. Fucking
Speaker 1: here's at fort today. One an interception diving for it,
Speaker 1: Tapas again and Andrew Adams hands drink today. That is
Speaker 1: this third of the ball game. That's a dreamer Buccaneers
Speaker 1: Radio and network Cam Newton's fourth the interception of the
Speaker 1: afternoon doom the Panthers, who continue their surprise freefall seventeen
Speaker 1: loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That is four straight
Speaker 1: losses for the Panthers. Jamis Winston was the better quarterback
Speaker 1: in this one, thrown for two forty nine and two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and that's two straight winds since Winston got his starting
Speaker 1: job back. Greg they're hanging around at five and seven.
Speaker 1: But let's start with the Panthers. What happened to this team?
Speaker 1: This was the bizarro Panthers game, and it does not
Speaker 1: bode well for the rest of the season. Greg Olsen
Speaker 1: announced after the game that he injured his foot again.
Speaker 1: He's done for the year. Cam Newton had to be
Speaker 1: taken out on the final play of the game because
Speaker 1: Tyler Hanke now has a Heineke has a stronger arm
Speaker 1: than him and can actually reach the end zone on
Speaker 1: the hill mary, which Cam Newton could not. On the
Speaker 1: play before you could see he wound up. He only
Speaker 1: threw it about forty five yards. And it was just
Speaker 1: a bizarro game where the Panthers actually got the ball
Speaker 1: four times in the fourth quarter, down by a touchdown.
Speaker 1: It was the Buccaneers defense who kept stopping them over
Speaker 1: and over. So we've said that this is an offense
Speaker 1: first team, but it was really the offense of the
Speaker 1: Panthers that had chance after chance when when their defense
Speaker 1: finally stood up, uh late in the game and they
Speaker 1: couldn't get it done. Four sacks, four picks, nine hits
Speaker 1: on Cam Newton. Since I decried against this Panthers team,
Speaker 1: they were owing four and I was dumb enough on
Speaker 1: Thursday to say that I was wrong about that. Well,
Speaker 1: I was not wrong. That was the most sessler I know.
Speaker 1: Because I watched that. I have no idea how it
Speaker 1: ended up, but in the end, you look, I wanted
Speaker 1: the Gawks watched that Seahawks game, and I don't even
Speaker 1: know what you were what. Hell, I hold myself to
Speaker 1: a higher standard. I admit when I'm wrong, apparently, but
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. Huh you said you're not wrong. I
Speaker 1: was wrong, but I was not wrong initially. So I'm
Speaker 1: as I'll use one of your rewords. I'm recusing or
Speaker 1: taking away the little comment I made on the other show.
Speaker 1: And I happening right. I don't know, by the way, sources, Um,
Speaker 1: I have some sources within the television industry. Oh do
Speaker 1: you yeah that Let's say in the Hunt graphics next
Speaker 1: week they might have to put the bucks back in there.
Speaker 1: You have a great point in the Hunt. These producers
Speaker 1: should not feel compelling three and seven. Now they've won
Speaker 1: two straight there, five and seven, and that wild card
Speaker 1: keeps getting, you know, the floor for it gets lower
Speaker 1: in the hunt for what the idea seven of the
Speaker 1: idea of what the playoff picture looked like three or
Speaker 1: four weeks ago, what it does now in the NFC,
Speaker 1: because the Green Bay and Carolina free fall has opened
Speaker 1: up some wild possibilities for teams that yes, Mark No One,
Speaker 1: none of these teams are gonna win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a successful season for a lot
Speaker 1: of franchise just to get to the playoffs and be
Speaker 1: playing relevant games in January. Can I add a little perspectively,
Speaker 1: The Buccaneers next opponent is a piste off New Orleans
Speaker 1: Saints team, and then they go at Baltimore at balance. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the bucks of the team, but there
Speaker 1: are other teams like the defending champion Eagles, who all
Speaker 1: of a sudden are feeling a lot better about themselves.
Speaker 1: It is funny, though, Jamis Winston is almost like he's
Speaker 1: playing now. He's playing the role of like the quiet leader,
Speaker 1: where he's trying to turn down the raw ra He's
Speaker 1: definitely playing more conservative, which seems to be working for him.
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin when god Mode today, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: young guys in the league. They were fun to watch.
Speaker 1: You can't wait till Jamis Winston is right back where
Speaker 1: he belongs, the nineteenth best quarterback in the that's my
Speaker 1: second favorite. Like um humble like story that I've heard
Speaker 1: today that while watching the Ravens game, I was told
Speaker 1: by the announcers that you know, in the quarterback room,
Speaker 1: he's not r G three anymore. He's robbed, right, what
Speaker 1: right that there? There there, he's stripped away. He's robbed. Now.
Speaker 1: The bigger story for me out of this game is
Speaker 1: there's some whisper there was before a national report that
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera could be on the hot seat. And if
Speaker 1: you think about the fact that they have a new owner,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of times when coaches and GM's get
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get out and there six and six,
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't go well down the stretch, it
Speaker 1: is disarming to see a defense this bad week after
Speaker 1: it was that the owner wanted to make massive sweeping changes.
Speaker 1: So this fan base has had enough of Ron Rivera
Speaker 1: for the past few att surprised by that, but he too.
Speaker 1: Let's move on Mahomes. The opening John touchdown, City press
Speaker 1: ch only on the catch as Mahomes fires a strike
Speaker 1: right over home plate and in a little heart of
Speaker 1: the Raiders, nice word play, Mitch Holtness from the Chiefs
Speaker 1: radio network, playing in their first game without Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a little bit. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: got four more touchdow passes from Patrick Mahomes, including including
Speaker 1: that game I served to Chris conn The Chiefs hold
Speaker 1: off a stubborn Raiders team for the final the chief
Speaker 1: The wind proves the Chiefs record of tenant to keeping
Speaker 1: them a top of the A f C for another week.
Speaker 1: And now we welcome back Nick Shook after a few
Speaker 1: weeks away from the studio. Hey, Shookie, Uh, this one
Speaker 1: was not as easy as we thought it would be
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs now, surprisingly because this is a Chiefs
Speaker 1: team that has been explosive all season, and this is
Speaker 1: a Raiders team that has been one of the worst
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL all season. And for a moment
Speaker 1: in this game, it looked like it. But the Raiders
Speaker 1: fought back, and I gotta give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 1: They played their butts off today. I know this is
Speaker 1: is a long time divisional rival, this is a team
Speaker 1: that they do not like, so of course they're gonna
Speaker 1: get up for this game. But they really played above
Speaker 1: their heads and for a moment there it looked like
Speaker 1: they might have tied this game, but they couldn't finish
Speaker 1: it off. Of course, but the Chiefs their main problem
Speaker 1: being they can't run the football. Uh, no surprise, they're
Speaker 1: considering what happened this week. Yeah, so Kareem Hunt had
Speaker 1: an incident last February and Cleveland staying. Uh he was living,
Speaker 1: I guess in a hotel in Cleveland. Uh was at
Speaker 1: the background? Was he living there anyway? Was from that?
Speaker 1: From that? Okay? So he was at a hotel in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: There was an incident involving a woman. Uh. And it
Speaker 1: turns out TMZ, once again, just like with ray Rice
Speaker 1: years ago, unveils the video of the incident which shows
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt physically assaulting uh, the woman, which leads to
Speaker 1: his release by the Chiefs one day after being put
Speaker 1: on the Commissioners Exempt List. So a massive, massive situation
Speaker 1: unfolding in Kansas City in a big void. Uh in
Speaker 1: that back you know, Spencer, We're only fourteen attenpts for
Speaker 1: forty seven yards. And it was a situation where the
Speaker 1: Chiefs had a lead in this game and they couldn't
Speaker 1: sit on it because they just couldn't keep the ball
Speaker 1: on the ground. And yeah, Grant, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of time left, but they went to the air a
Speaker 1: lot considering how much of a lead they had, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them ended up being Mahomes missiles down
Speaker 1: the field where he's just taking shots to Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: and to other guys and not completing those passes. One
Speaker 1: of them, Tyreek Hill dropped. But it was just kind
Speaker 1: of an uncharacteristic game offensively for the Chiefs, who still
Speaker 1: put up forty points, but for about two and a
Speaker 1: half quarters didn't quite like that team. Well, they still
Speaker 1: had plenty of yards rushing in the end, they had
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy four yards. They gave up, you know,
Speaker 1: scoring drive on six of the last seven drives the
Speaker 1: Raiders had, So the defense seems to be the bigger issue.
Speaker 1: But the decision to cut Hunt, I think surprised a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the moment, just because of the
Speaker 1: swiftness of Okay, this story pops up and he's no
Speaker 1: longer on the team, and it just kind of caps
Speaker 1: a pretty rough couple of weeks here for the NFL,
Speaker 1: between Reuben Foster and Kareem Hunt, and for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: to to make that decision, and the questions of how
Speaker 1: did you not get the video at the time, it
Speaker 1: just feels like it's it's four years ago all over again.
Speaker 1: And the last thing kind of that the NFL wants
Speaker 1: to be dealing with, or that the Chiefs were dealing
Speaker 1: with I thought Hunt in his you know, interview today
Speaker 1: on ESPN was pretty I don't know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to get give him a pat on the back for
Speaker 1: how he was in the interview, but the way he
Speaker 1: spoke on that interview, I think he'll wind up being
Speaker 1: in the NFL again, and the Chiefs just moved on.
Speaker 1: The only thing I'd say is that I know there's
Speaker 1: the Commissioner's exempt list and he's probably not going to
Speaker 1: see the field this year. But the idea that you
Speaker 1: just just someone can pick you up on Monday and
Speaker 1: jump right back intto a new opening your career after
Speaker 1: this where at least he'll be suspended for a long
Speaker 1: time because this is a multiple incidents that he had
Speaker 1: in its six in theory, it's six games, you know
Speaker 1: for the first incident, and so you would think that
Speaker 1: this is nu would be longer, but it raises it
Speaker 1: just raised a million questions that are not easiest solve
Speaker 1: for the NFL or for anyone else, for like society
Speaker 1: of Like when this popped up in February, it's not
Speaker 1: like this is a secret. We wrote stories about this
Speaker 1: in February, but the but there was an element of
Speaker 1: dishonesty on his part. There was an element of not
Speaker 1: going farther enough to get the tape to find it out.
Speaker 1: It's so you're right that it sets the NFL back,
Speaker 1: and if anything else, it shouldn't be a surprise to us,
Speaker 1: hopefully down the road when a team like the Chiefs
Speaker 1: cuts the player no matter who it is, because there
Speaker 1: needs to be consequences and a zero tolerance policy, not
Speaker 1: how can we wiggle around this depending on who the
Speaker 1: player is and how much he means to our team
Speaker 1: as we're practicing to play the Raiders, and I don't
Speaker 1: think you'll see a shift in that, And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll ever see this kind of shift in
Speaker 1: professional sports until a team values I think maybe I
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's it's image or just honesty
Speaker 1: and being morally right in a situation like this overwinning,
Speaker 1: which I don't think he's going right because I mean,
Speaker 1: you want to have the same standard across the league
Speaker 1: and every team and every player. But it's easy to
Speaker 1: say it gets a little complicated. I mean, you think
Speaker 1: of Tyreek Hill, who's on this team. You think of
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, you think of a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are playing in the league, and so how do you
Speaker 1: how do you kind of make that standard that all
Speaker 1: the teams to follow the The NFL clearly hasn't figured
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, there's no book on something like this.
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts on the game show, Um, Derek Carr
Speaker 1: probably had his best game that he's had as a
Speaker 1: part of the John Gruden Raiders, and that was an
Speaker 1: encouraging side to see spread the ball really well. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, like I said before, you know, they they
Speaker 1: really played their butts off and you gotta give them credit.
Speaker 1: It's it's a game that they'll feel good about even
Speaker 1: though they lost. If you're a Chiefs fan, just football wise,
Speaker 1: the defense coming out with a stinker like that after
Speaker 1: the bye week has to be kind of concerning. You
Speaker 1: thought you were trending up a little bit. And the
Speaker 1: race for the number one overall pick. Now it's the
Speaker 1: two Bay Area teams with two wins, So keep a track,
Speaker 1: keep keep an eye on that as we head down
Speaker 1: the stretch. Let's move on. Matt Ryan hit and sacked
Speaker 1: on first down balls, Louis Rivers recovered Tavanian touching it
Speaker 1: touched down Raven all out blitz weet Martin Dell. Smell
Speaker 1: blood in the water and he's bringing the house. First play,
Speaker 1: got a free runner, got the ball out, put down Ravens.
Speaker 1: Jerry Sandusky and Rick McEwen of w B A L
Speaker 1: with the call. Hey, remember that dominating Ravens defense was
Speaker 1: back on Sunday, holding Annie mcfalcon's offense to a hundred
Speaker 1: thirty one total yards. Wow in a to sixteen win.
Speaker 1: Uh in Atlanta, Right, Chuck Yeah in a town. Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson ran for a score in this game, but Nick,
Speaker 1: this game was all about what Baltimore's d did to
Speaker 1: that once bearso Atlanta attack. Yeah, held Atlanta to under
Speaker 1: two hundred yards of total off It's a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty one total, which is mind blowing to think of
Speaker 1: in today's age of of the NFL and and how
Speaker 1: they can move the ball. And this is Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: who's thrown for a decent out of yards this year,
Speaker 1: and this is not some slouch back there at quarterback,
Speaker 1: but the count they can't protect him. They couldn't protect
Speaker 1: him today, and they couldn't really utilize any of their weapons.
Speaker 1: They had offense, non game one dimensional offense. Now and
Speaker 1: to think where we were the beginning of this season
Speaker 1: where it looked like same issues as last year, and
Speaker 1: then they seemed to find it the Falcons, and now
Speaker 1: they're right back and maybe even worse than ever under
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator who you wonder if Sarkasian is gonna
Speaker 1: have a job after I feel like these are the
Speaker 1: last final weeks of Steve sarc in Atlanta. Man. Their
Speaker 1: offensive line I think is struggled, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: personnel wise, I think they have to look at the
Speaker 1: you know, the decisions that they've made there certainly, and
Speaker 1: you can't like, okay, I looked at that number and
Speaker 1: I got and I thought, a hundred thirty one yards, like,
Speaker 1: what is the defense doing? Because that that has to
Speaker 1: be a team effort. I mean, the Ravens might have
Speaker 1: had the best nine point offensive half in NFL history.
Speaker 1: Four drives that took five minutes, eight minutes, six and
Speaker 1: a half minutes, four minutes. It ends up with three
Speaker 1: field goals and a clock killing drive to end the game.
Speaker 1: I mean that just means the Falcons basically didn't have
Speaker 1: the ball in the second half. And the greater problem too,
Speaker 1: is when they did have the ball, all it became
Speaker 1: was Matt Ryan running for his life or heaving the
Speaker 1: ball to Julio Jones who was covered by multiple guys.
Speaker 1: I mean there were multiple times where he just roll
Speaker 1: out and chuck it high, because well, if there's somebody
Speaker 1: on my team who's gonna have a better chance to
Speaker 1: catch the ball than anybody else, it's gonna be Julio.
Speaker 1: And a lot of those ended up in incompletions. It's
Speaker 1: a huge win for Baltimore because you are isolated in
Speaker 1: that sixth spot in the a f C playoff chase,
Speaker 1: and you know you have the Rams next week, so
Speaker 1: they have the Kansas City and that's a good sign
Speaker 1: for your defense playing that way. With that matchup on
Speaker 1: the horizon, and UM rap Sheet reported that there's a
Speaker 1: sense in Baltimore Joe Flacco and Lamar Jackson will be
Speaker 1: splitting snaps in that game. I have a hard time
Speaker 1: really co signing anything like that. Now. Lamar has got
Speaker 1: a long way to go with throwing the football, and
Speaker 1: his strength is running obviously. Uh. Third time in his
Speaker 1: career where you know in his career and starts that
Speaker 1: he's had eleven or more rushes uh and and he
Speaker 1: had you know, seventeen carries for seventy five guards in touchdown.
Speaker 1: That's his greatest threat. He runs the speed option better
Speaker 1: than anybe else have ever seen in the NFL, primarily
Speaker 1: because it's not ran in the it's running the NFL.
Speaker 1: So what do we learn from Bull Durham? You don't
Speaker 1: us with a winning streak, that's true. I mean, when
Speaker 1: did we learn from Friday Night Lights. You can't be
Speaker 1: splitting the snaps between Vince Howard and j D McCoy.
Speaker 1: You gotta just learn from necessary roughness. I'm just naming football, right.
Speaker 1: What do we learned from Rudy or is that just
Speaker 1: a report that's utter nonsense that they're continuing to try
Speaker 1: to play the soft pr Harba is like playing two
Speaker 1: different games right now. He's playing the like we're gonna
Speaker 1: win and and he he believes he has the best
Speaker 1: quarterback situation in the league. And he's playing this weird
Speaker 1: media game too. He's loving He's a bad liar. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're doing, They're on I wouldn't put it. I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by that game, the LaVar Jackson in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: the way the Ravens are playing something. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: I think with the Flacco thing, and we all have
Speaker 1: some fun with the Fluco, but he's kind of the
Speaker 1: most decorated, uh important quarterback in Ravens history. Which stretch
Speaker 1: you have to write, which which remember how Harriballs talked
Speaker 1: about him in the past two like he has said,
Speaker 1: even when it was laughable at the time, that he'd
Speaker 1: rather have Blacker than any other quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Well when the owner felt that the owner either feel
Speaker 1: or felt feels that way or felt the way as well.
Speaker 1: And sometimes yeah, sometimes in the same thing with the
Speaker 1: with the mess with the Giants and Eli last year.
Speaker 1: From the outside it might all seem so silly, but
Speaker 1: on the inside, these quarterbacks are the face of the
Speaker 1: franchise and there it's really a tricky balancing act when
Speaker 1: you're trying to move on from them. At the point,
Speaker 1: the wildest thing in this situation with this team is
Speaker 1: I don't think he I don't think either makes the
Speaker 1: team significantly better or worse. They just make them different, right, Really, yes,
Speaker 1: I want to see Jack the schedule that lamar Jack.
Speaker 1: I totally hold that against them, just that they're they're
Speaker 1: executing their doing kind of their their plan. You're right,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see it against a better defense. But
Speaker 1: how could you go away from it? Is my quest?
Speaker 1: I mean, they're winning games, so I can't disagree until
Speaker 1: they lose a game. And don't forget when he says
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh that he's got the best quarterback situation league.
Speaker 1: Rob Griffin the third as well. Rob, of course please
Speaker 1: two for four. I was always branded let's move on
Speaker 1: Watson under center, one back to Sean with a mini
Speaker 1: boot looking firing rightside of the end zone and got
Speaker 1: him and talking Thomas touchdown heston. They made it look easy.
Speaker 1: Mark Vandermere, Texans Radio with the call. So yes, the
Speaker 1: Ravens win. The Browns have flickering playoff votes that they
Speaker 1: go into Houston and it goes sideways. The Shawn Watson
Speaker 1: threw one touchdown pass, Baker Mayfield intercepted three times in
Speaker 1: the first half win for the Texans, who have now
Speaker 1: won nine straight. Uh, they're nine in three. Remember they
Speaker 1: started going three pretty wild during command in the ANFC
Speaker 1: South for four weeks to play. Mark. Texans were unable
Speaker 1: to sack Mayfield in this one, but they still managed
Speaker 1: to make his life difficult. They did. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know everyone wants to come out of this game talking
Speaker 1: about the interceptions. But the tone was set in a
Speaker 1: very ugly way for Cleveland in a very positive one
Speaker 1: for Houston by the Browns plane is this deep safety scenario,
Speaker 1: too deep safeties that allowed Houston just to gash them
Speaker 1: with the run out of the gate. Watson through the
Speaker 1: air hit his first eleven passes, and it was the
Speaker 1: Browns right away were put on their heels, and then
Speaker 1: Mayfield came out. I think the one thing about Maker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is that he no matter what happens, he'll throw
Speaker 1: the ball down field with aggressiveness and he's not gonna
Speaker 1: shy away from that. But the first pick was a
Speaker 1: bad throw. The second one kind of felt a little
Speaker 1: bit like trying to make something happen when it wasn't there.
Speaker 1: And then on the third pick, and this is why,
Speaker 1: this is how you go down twenty three nothing at
Speaker 1: the half, he threw a deep shot into the end
Speaker 1: zone that was taken away obviously interception, but it was
Speaker 1: a play where he could have probably ran for like
Speaker 1: yards and kept the drive alive, which I looked at
Speaker 1: not it's not a rookie mistake because I liked the aggressiveness,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, a better decision could have
Speaker 1: been made there. He did come back in the second
Speaker 1: half and throw it for three hundred and fifty one yards,
Speaker 1: and the offense looked like it had in recent weeks.
Speaker 1: I put this one on the defense. I think the
Speaker 1: Texans are I think three weeks ago the Texans I
Speaker 1: was like, I get it, this nice little winning streak,
Speaker 1: but it's like, I need to see more. They in
Speaker 1: the with their with what they did on Prime Time
Speaker 1: and what they did today, they are rounding into shape.
Speaker 1: They're peaking at the right time. You're getting Lamar Miller,
Speaker 1: who had completely written off as a real force on
Speaker 1: the ground. He's not the only person that can run
Speaker 1: the ball in Houston right now, and Deshaun Watson is
Speaker 1: making plays and their defense. You know, we can spend
Speaker 1: all our preview show because every previous shows like oh
Speaker 1: J J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney, they were not even
Speaker 1: in the box score. Today they found a way to
Speaker 1: do it without those guys. So and very impressive performance
Speaker 1: by the Texans. To me, the most important aspect of
Speaker 1: their winning streak has been, for the most part, they've
Speaker 1: gotten better every week that. I was skeptical all along
Speaker 1: that they hadn't really played good teams and they hadn't
Speaker 1: played a complete game. And now they're starting to get
Speaker 1: the running game together. Their defense is legit, Deshaun Watson's
Speaker 1: playing well. It seems like they're it's all coming together
Speaker 1: for them down the stretch when they can get because
Speaker 1: they're not a team that's turned the ball over gotten
Speaker 1: takeaways the last four weeks. I think they haven't had
Speaker 1: a single game other than maybe one in four or
Speaker 1: five weeks where they had to to do what they
Speaker 1: did today. When you can force mistakes, they're pretty unbeatable.
Speaker 1: I think back to the last time when I saw
Speaker 1: them getting multiple takeaways, and it was the final Night
Speaker 1: Peterman game against the building, and and then that turned
Speaker 1: that game around immediately. But they've they've recognized they are
Speaker 1: not a good pass blocking team and they are a
Speaker 1: really good running blocking team. I think going back to
Speaker 1: about week five or so, you see holes for this guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, Albert Blue isn't running thirteen for fifty four
Speaker 1: unless you're opening up some holes. He's kind of the
Speaker 1: get what you're blocked for type of running back. So
Speaker 1: is Lamar Miller. I think he's he's a solid starter,
Speaker 1: but he's a get what you block for. And so
Speaker 1: some of these teams, if you look at who's playing
Speaker 1: well right now, have kind of zagged while the rest
Speaker 1: of the NFL is zigging and established a little bit
Speaker 1: of a running identity between the Patriots. I would include
Speaker 1: in that mix the Ravens, the Seahawks. You have to
Speaker 1: do a lot more than that, but I think it's
Speaker 1: those teams at least seen that's what they do well,
Speaker 1: and they're leaning on it running identity and something that
Speaker 1: the Jaguars built on best year, especially with their defense.
Speaker 1: And this is a Houston team that if they play
Speaker 1: good defense and they do that, then they don't get behind.
Speaker 1: They can beat anybody West. That this is what it's,
Speaker 1: you know, good times for the team of Zeus TiO.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not a thing. Well, so you're not
Speaker 1: allowing and that's the team of West til for a
Speaker 1: long time. That's kind of like your own little Actually,
Speaker 1: you didn't like that initially, the team of West. Now
Speaker 1: you have I p on it or something. Well, that's
Speaker 1: because you guys refused to take my advice on the
Speaker 1: Chargers thing. When you UNI laterally made them the team
Speaker 1: of four years ago. Let's make this boring Chargers team
Speaker 1: the team of I would have thought that, like about
Speaker 1: with cancer would let you let go of that, But
Speaker 1: you're still Here're the one who brought up the team
Speaker 1: of West til hows like, how does that happen? By
Speaker 1: the way, how do you decide this? They shook um,
Speaker 1: that was great having you here, Thanks for having me
Speaker 1: and uh, maybe come back next week. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 1: really filling out that shirt. Almost made it the whole
Speaker 1: show without you saying some I mean, look at him.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you haven't asked if I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to the gym after this? You get a puppet? No,
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Speaker 1: receivers in the game. Tune each side. Ball in the
Speaker 1: far Hash takes a shotgun Snap again, He'll throw fires
Speaker 1: right side. The ball is caught and the receiver for
Speaker 1: the cultures out of bounds. Now they're gonna say he
Speaker 1: stays inbounds. It was caught by Eric Swamper. They're gonna
Speaker 1: say swamp stays in founds and the game clock runs
Speaker 1: out and the Colts lose. How is he not out
Speaker 1: of bounds? Right downs? That was a terrible call by
Speaker 1: the side judge. His whole body landing on no chalk
Speaker 1: but white of the out of bottles life and he
Speaker 1: called him about that's mad. That's man. Matt Taylor and
Speaker 1: Jim Sorgie of the Colts Radio Network with the call.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey stacked up tight end Eric Swoop on the
Speaker 1: sideline with eight seconds to play, and uh they ruled
Speaker 1: that swoops forward progresss swoops forward progress had stopped. He
Speaker 1: was moving backward enough that even though he was pushed
Speaker 1: out of bounds, you run the clock in that scenario
Speaker 1: when he's going backwards, and that explains it. It was
Speaker 1: the decisive play in the Jaguar studding six to sip
Speaker 1: win over Andrew Luck at the Big Chlorine Tank. The
Speaker 1: Colts entered Sunday averaging more than thirty three points per
Speaker 1: game over their previous eight outings West. How did the
Speaker 1: Jacks pull it off well. First of all, the Colts
Speaker 1: didn't deserve to win, and even if that call had
Speaker 1: gone their way at the end, they still would have
Speaker 1: needed a prayer to tie the game or to take
Speaker 1: the lead. Would have been around the thirty yard something
Speaker 1: like yeah, with not much time left it one, I'm
Speaker 1: enough for one throw. You know. Credit to you and
Speaker 1: your Texans love, because the Texans look like the better
Speaker 1: team than the Colts. And if you were of the
Speaker 1: opinion all along, hey, West is too high on the Colts. Um,
Speaker 1: they've been building this record against bad teams. Uh, Frank
Speaker 1: Reichs Scheming and Andrew lux talent are covering up a
Speaker 1: lack of skill position talent. You would be right in
Speaker 1: this game. Uh, they missed starting center Ryan Kelly. They
Speaker 1: missed Jack Doyle at tight end. Eric Ebron is really
Speaker 1: good in the red zone, at jumping and boxing. Now,
Speaker 1: as we said Thursday, he's not good at beating Telvin
Speaker 1: Smith and Miles Jack in the middle of the field
Speaker 1: or their safeties. He's not that kind of speed. And
Speaker 1: Ryan Grant is one of the worst starters in the NFL.
Speaker 1: At wide receiver, Dontrelle Edman would not be a second
Speaker 1: or third receiver for most teams in the NFL. The
Speaker 1: Jack team earlier this year. The Jaguars cornerbacks and safeties
Speaker 1: just put the clamps on these guys and did not
Speaker 1: let them get open. Yahnick and Gokwa and clay As
Speaker 1: Campbell controlled the trenches and this was similar to what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did to the Saints the other night. They've
Speaker 1: basically imposed their will and made everything difficult for the
Speaker 1: Colts offense. And Colts have to go into Houston next
Speaker 1: week another good defense, and I think you might see
Speaker 1: their skill position talent doesn't match up all that well
Speaker 1: against them. Either are you are you? Are you jump
Speaker 1: on the off the Colts. I'm conceding that the a
Speaker 1: f C South is the Texans. It goes to Houston.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Culture are a playoff team? I
Speaker 1: would not roll them out for the playoffs, but I
Speaker 1: do have the tiebreaker over Denver. I do think this
Speaker 1: game exposed some things and the Jaguars defense from two
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen showed up. Look, they've won a lot of
Speaker 1: close games. I mean the Jaguars game was down to
Speaker 1: the to the last play when it was in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: The last week's game against the Dolphins. I think the
Speaker 1: Colts have been a great story and I think they
Speaker 1: have a chance to make the playoffs. But they're playing
Speaker 1: because of what West said at a talent deficiency. They're
Speaker 1: playing with small margins here. This is not a team
Speaker 1: that has necessarily been building. At least the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: It feels like they've they've flatline a little bit, and
Speaker 1: it's because of the town. Credit credit to Jacksonville defense.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you guys watch this game, you're going
Speaker 1: to say this is the two thousand seventeen Jaguars, and
Speaker 1: I think it has a lot to do with Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles being on the bench like the end, like they
Speaker 1: were though for three plus quarters against the Steelers the
Speaker 1: last home game that Jacksonville had, I mean, they looked incredible.
Speaker 1: That was about as three as good at three quarters
Speaker 1: as we've seen from a defense all year. Their offense
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything for him this time they didn't need
Speaker 1: it from Cody Kessler. So congrats Cody. First NFL win
Speaker 1: in the journey of being a fan. Though if this league,
Speaker 1: well he had he had that set that long losing
Speaker 1: streak with the Browns what's up? I mean, if we
Speaker 1: were continuing a thought, that's all. That's fine. You got upset,
Speaker 1: don't get upset just asking you about the Cody Kestler thing.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fine. Okay, go ahead, I think my point
Speaker 1: has completely passed. To move on to your next chatterbox topic.
Speaker 1: What just happened? Don't know what was your point going
Speaker 1: to be. I honestly have forgotten nine career starts for
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler. So he finally if you ask him to
Speaker 1: score six points, I think you can do it. That's
Speaker 1: that's basically the kind of game that Cody Kessler had.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he threw beyond five or six
Speaker 1: yards more than a handful of times. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just there was a lot of dump ups to
Speaker 1: t J and the Colts defense played almost as well
Speaker 1: as Colts defense was on fire. Denico Autry controlled the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. There, let us move on. They tossed
Speaker 1: it left to Lindsay. Lindsay with behind Garrett Bowls and
Speaker 1: Lindsay is Lucy. Here we go, feed race Fort Philip
Speaker 1: Lindsey down the sideline, five touchdown, Denver, the longest play
Speaker 1: from scrimmage this year. By the Broncos, and wouldn't you
Speaker 1: know who did it? Philip Lindsay, Dave Logan and friends
Speaker 1: of ko A with the call oh one of West's
Speaker 1: boys dating back to the summer. Rookie Philip Lindsay ran
Speaker 1: for a career one fifty seven and two scores, including
Speaker 1: that sixty five yards sexy junt. The Broncos continued their
Speaker 1: playoff over the Bengals in Cincinnati West. Everyone wants to
Speaker 1: play the Bungles these days, especially when a j Green's
Speaker 1: getting carded off the field, which which is what happened today.
Speaker 1: But credit work, credits due the Broncos. They're bawling out
Speaker 1: right now. I hate myself. This game was close for
Speaker 1: a while, and the Bengals defense was healthy for a while.
Speaker 1: Um Nick Vigil returned, Drake kirk Patrick returned, Vantes Perfect
Speaker 1: was there until he concussed himself with a hard hit
Speaker 1: on another player um and knocked himself out of the game.
Speaker 1: It's happened like fourteen times. Well that's the way he plays.
Speaker 1: But the Broncos in the end, it's the rookies again.
Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay, who's now on pace for about fifty rushing yards,
Speaker 1: which would shatter Dominic Rhodes marked for most by an
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie UM running back, so Lindsay Cortland Sutton had
Speaker 1: a great thirty yard touchdown catch and then um the defense.
Speaker 1: I think you the one takeaway from the Broncos this
Speaker 1: is this is a costly victory because Chris Harris is
Speaker 1: easily their top cornerback. He fractured his fibula, or it's
Speaker 1: believed that he fractured his fibula, will be out at
Speaker 1: least a month, and that's a big loss. Derek Wolf
Speaker 1: also injured the defensive end, and Josie Jewel linebacker injured
Speaker 1: in this game. I know the Bengals have a backup
Speaker 1: quarterback in there, and that's fine, but I do not know,
Speaker 1: and I know that they are change a verse from
Speaker 1: the top down. What is the argument to keep this
Speaker 1: regime around? It is this is every year there's an
Speaker 1: argument to move on, and they continue to stick with
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis. They are one and six in their last
Speaker 1: seven games and look like one of the worst teams
Speaker 1: in the league. And if you possibly think about drifting
Speaker 1: into another offseason and keeping the band together, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're telling your fan base, or Cincinnati is
Speaker 1: a city. It was a balmy in Cincinnati today and
Speaker 1: about forty four thousand people showed up for a sixty
Speaker 1: five Will that get the ownership's attention? To me? Like,
Speaker 1: not only is it a last season, but if you're
Speaker 1: a Bengals fan, you have to be frustrated at hearing
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson might have a chance to take over this team.
Speaker 1: We joke around a lot on this podcast about the
Speaker 1: Bengals and how they're they're verse to change, and but
Speaker 1: this is Marvin Lewis's sixteenth season and they've never won
Speaker 1: a playoff game. It's unbelievable. Need to make a move.
Speaker 1: What is going on? What are the photos that ownership?
Speaker 1: This is another rap sheet was busy this morning. He
Speaker 1: reported that it's believed Marvin Lewis's second year on his
Speaker 1: contract next year is not guaranteed and the Bengals can
Speaker 1: part ways with him. I like that the fact that
Speaker 1: whether his contract is guaranteed or not, would like decide
Speaker 1: whether he's the coach. Well what the Bengals, It might,
Speaker 1: it really might. Philip lindsay, by the way, six point
Speaker 1: one yards per carry on the season, I mean we're deep.
Speaker 1: We're going into Week fourteen. That is a wild numbers
Speaker 1: to have this late? Is this? Do we give John
Speaker 1: all the credit for this pick up? Well, I believe
Speaker 1: have to. I believe another team one of him. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was the Dolphins and his mom convinced him to
Speaker 1: stay home because he's a he's a local. No, he
Speaker 1: was actually a little miffed the Broncos for drafting him.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna know, I'm saying I'm disappointed for Harris. He's
Speaker 1: a great player that he broke is like and it's
Speaker 1: disappointed for this defense because I would have liked to
Speaker 1: see what this team could do down the stretch. They
Speaker 1: were interested were you're writing them off. Now, that's a
Speaker 1: tough loss. But they won the game if and they
Speaker 1: still even easy surprise Greg, because you like to, you know,
Speaker 1: move around here. I'm not saying they're done. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying losing Chris Harrison, we'll see on Derek Wolfe and
Speaker 1: Joe Lower is the bar of of how good they
Speaker 1: can be. Let's check it in with another wild card
Speaker 1: contender in the a f C. The snapp looking firing
Speaker 1: Hot Davis comes, He gets him. C D makes the catch. Yes,
Speaker 1: is that thick body ankle his way between two defenders
Speaker 1: and hit Peter for the Titans first lead at the game.
Speaker 1: With thirty six seconds to get home. Mike Keith Titans
Speaker 1: Radio with the call Marcus Mariotta doing eleven yard touchdown
Speaker 1: passed Corey Davis. That's c D with thirty six seconds
Speaker 1: to play. Josh McCown picked off A couple of minutes
Speaker 1: after that in the Tennessee Titans rally back from a
Speaker 1: sixteen point deficit to beat my New York jetso uh
Speaker 1: in Nashville. That snaps a two game losing streak for
Speaker 1: the Titans, and the Jets have lost sixth straight, a
Speaker 1: game in which, yes, they scored the first sixteen points,
Speaker 1: they had to pick six, they had a blocked punt,
Speaker 1: but because they have a washed up a very nice man,
Speaker 1: and I keep hearing week after week because I'm probably
Speaker 1: the only person, me and my dad watching Jets games
Speaker 1: at this point. What a competitor Josh McCown is. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know the one thing you gotta know about Josh
Speaker 1: mccount is he's a competitor. Oh really, the professional quarterback
Speaker 1: playing as a competitor. Okay, thank you announcers, but he
Speaker 1: can't play. He can't move this team. And it's not
Speaker 1: even if it we hate to see Dan turning as
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not Josh mccount's fault, but the idea.
Speaker 1: They had the ball inside the Titans uh in the
Speaker 1: red zone time after time, and they're settling for all
Speaker 1: these field goals, and every Jets fan knows it, every
Speaker 1: jetsman knows it. UH that once you get to half time,
Speaker 1: as long as you're not down about thirty points of
Speaker 1: the Jets of the half, which doesn't happen, you're gonna
Speaker 1: come back, because that's what happens on Todd Bowles teams.
Speaker 1: How how lucky are the Titans to still be in
Speaker 1: the playoff hunt in this game? I had an eye
Speaker 1: on it at the end there. And Marcus Mariota not
Speaker 1: only does he have a really questionable sense for how
Speaker 1: close the pass rush is to him when he tries
Speaker 1: to flee the pocket like he tries to flee when
Speaker 1: it's too late, he also failed to get down at
Speaker 1: the end of a run, kept fighting for yards, fumbled
Speaker 1: the ball and got really lucky that it landed in
Speaker 1: the Titans hands. On that game winning drive. There was been,
Speaker 1: there was fumble luck. Marcus Mariotta credit where it's do.
Speaker 1: He led them on three touchdown drives, including the one
Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter because the Jets were going
Speaker 1: three and out repeatedly, and he took took advantage of that.
Speaker 1: But I just don't buy in. At one point, the
Speaker 1: same announcing team, I wish I could tell you who
Speaker 1: it was because I'm blanking at it right now, but
Speaker 1: they said that the Titans have to take the training
Speaker 1: wheels off Marcus Mariota, Well, I mean, what are we
Speaker 1: doing with that? But Mark Mariotta, you had Kevin Harland
Speaker 1: and Rich Well. They always look like the Toddler version
Speaker 1: of a real offense. They're they're a tough watch. There's
Speaker 1: six and six now, these six and six teams, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Broncos, Dolphin, Titans take them out,
Speaker 1: every one there. They're in there. And yeah, and and
Speaker 1: spare me tytoons fans coming after me after the game.
Speaker 1: You want a lollipop because you were able to hold
Speaker 1: off the New York Jets in your own building, wasn't there.
Speaker 1: There's something going on before the game they wanted you
Speaker 1: to agree to call. I don't know what you didn't
Speaker 1: agree to that are terrible. The Jets stink. You want
Speaker 1: a lollipop, I'm not even gonna give you one. One
Speaker 1: guy came that came to me on Twitter over the
Speaker 1: weekend and said, how about this, man, If the Jets lose,
Speaker 1: then you'll never call them the tytoons? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That's where your bar is. Come back to me, tytoons
Speaker 1: fans come back to me. Nice Keith Hansas, let's hear
Speaker 1: from you. I'm sure you're happy. His name is Keith.
Speaker 1: He stands, He'll doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan.
Speaker 1: What is he going to say that the game to day?
Speaker 1: What is he going to to say? Today's loss was
Speaker 1: the worst this year? A sixteen nothing lead that was
Speaker 1: fading away slowly and painfully, that we sort of knew
Speaker 1: what was going to happen at the end, an offense
Speaker 1: that cannot close, and a defense that keeps fading game
Speaker 1: after game in the third and fourth quarters. The coaching
Speaker 1: and the players don't seem to be on the same page.
Speaker 1: It was again another terrible game by the Jets, and
Speaker 1: another very disappointing game to any Jet fan. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's the voice when when Danny, uh, you know, came
Speaker 1: back with some homework reports, just to send homework reports
Speaker 1: in middle school if you need to do your homework,
Speaker 1: and I'd get home, and if I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: intercept the homework report in the mailbox before Mom or
Speaker 1: Dad saw it, that would be the voice that I
Speaker 1: would get from. That was such a rough time in
Speaker 1: childhood when you knew that a heat seeker was heading
Speaker 1: towards your house and I'd have to try to intercept
Speaker 1: our mailbox was like a mile up the street. Don't
Speaker 1: ask that to try to get that thing three or
Speaker 1: four days in a row, and one time I did
Speaker 1: and buried it in my yard. Well then they get
Speaker 1: you though, because this happened to me. But you're right
Speaker 1: where you intercept him. But then you get about a
Speaker 1: month later, Uh, this is Danny's seventeenth homework report of
Speaker 1: this of the and they're like, wait, we only got three.
Speaker 1: Well you can always, you know, listen, mom, and you
Speaker 1: guys are busy, like I'll go pick up the mail today.
Speaker 1: Let me go get the mail. You guys do too
Speaker 1: much around here, and then it doesn't show up art.
Speaker 1: I gotta come back tomorrow and do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Let's let's move on. It was tough be the kids
Speaker 1: to actor throw Allan being a jet fence staff for
Speaker 1: around it alway goes Luke to Luke, the other ways
Speaker 1: to look it down field, frozen, it's go for it comes.
Speaker 1: Clay was as wide open as you could possibly be
Speaker 1: in the end zone. I feel like we need to
Speaker 1: explain that play because broadcast, Yeah, they didn't quite pull
Speaker 1: it off. Does that the Dolphins call? Yeah, because they
Speaker 1: were and Bob greasy with the call. Josh Allen nearly
Speaker 1: pulled off the greatest play of his young career. Why
Speaker 1: would they be upset? They well, they were. They were
Speaker 1: anticipating Josh Allen making that they are the wide open guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he saw the wide open Charles, he saw the play
Speaker 1: develop and he thought we're gonna lose, and but now
Speaker 1: we won because I do. Eve don't need to unpack
Speaker 1: these calls to this extent. Butts scrambles buys a little
Speaker 1: bit of time. Sorry, keep it going, Let's get that
Speaker 1: music back. Josh Allen scrambles buys time. Actually a nice
Speaker 1: job buying time, but because of his positioning, did not
Speaker 1: get enough on the throw, so he put it down
Speaker 1: about thirty yards downfield and Charles Clay, let's be fair,
Speaker 1: big time players make that play. He dove for it
Speaker 1: and couldn't corral it. That was fourth down. That was
Speaker 1: the last chance for the Bills. Uh again, Dolphins escaped
Speaker 1: within in Orchard Park. Greg The Bills had multiple chances
Speaker 1: to take care of business and win this game, but
Speaker 1: bad teams find a way and the Dolphins uh find
Speaker 1: a way to six and six somehow in a game,
Speaker 1: in a game. This was like the classic two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight They are nothing if not consistent. The two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen Dolphins are kind of the same. Every week
Speaker 1: they got out gained four fifteen to one seventy five
Speaker 1: against against the Bills, and they somehow they somehow one
Speaker 1: because of some big plays, some special teams. It was
Speaker 1: more special teams gas and there was a big personal right.
Speaker 1: There was penalty. There's some penalty. I gotta say, though,
Speaker 1: I've learned this was the perfect game to be your
Speaker 1: backup game. You know how we each have two games
Speaker 1: in the morning we're watching and Josh Allen is kind
Speaker 1: of the perfect guy to be your backup game. QB
Speaker 1: that I've now watched two games in a because you
Speaker 1: don't see every single drive, but you look up at
Speaker 1: you know, you missed some places, and you look up
Speaker 1: every once in a while and he's doing some crazy
Speaker 1: fun stuff. He's, you know, rushing for a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty five yards in this game. He had a couple
Speaker 1: of rushing He had a couple of nice throws like
Speaker 1: they are somehow moving the ball with plays like that
Speaker 1: last one that seemed completely improbable and not really repeatable,
Speaker 1: but just kind of fun to watch. So I like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm reserving Josh Allen as my backup second game
Speaker 1: ten am quarterback. That's smart I had that I had
Speaker 1: because I don't want to. I used that. I know
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like this because you love this player, but
Speaker 1: I enjoyed having Lamar Jackson as my backup guy today.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a primary guy, but I see checking
Speaker 1: it out and I was enjoying it at different points,
Speaker 1: you know, any other thoughts on this game? Xavi and
Speaker 1: Howard put him in the Pro Bowl. Another another insane interception.
Speaker 1: It really it struck me though, kind of They went
Speaker 1: back and forth where Alan threw an interception in Tannehill
Speaker 1: through an interception, and I just thought, like this off,
Speaker 1: this passing attack with Tannehills no more advanced than the
Speaker 1: Bills right now. So that really just the contrast of it.
Speaker 1: He threw the ball twenty four times for a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty seven yards. There's nothing down the field, and
Speaker 1: it struck me just in year, what is it five
Speaker 1: for Tannehill? They're not any more advanced passing the ball
Speaker 1: than the Bills with Josh Allen or picks in two
Speaker 1: weeks for Xavien Howard. Gotta wonder if the Dolphins coaching
Speaker 1: tof might be a little They won the game, though,
Speaker 1: I mean they won the game. They're gonna find Henry
Speaker 1: said it, well, what's the direction? The ring about the
Speaker 1: Dolphins is just they feel directionless to me, and I
Speaker 1: know Dolphins fans are gonna go crazy. I think they agree.
Speaker 1: He called called eight and eight like seven weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and it is lining up for that. One last thing
Speaker 1: is was Jerry Hughes yelling uh and threatening an official
Speaker 1: who he says called him a bit sensor during the game,
Speaker 1: and then Hughes told the official that's what Jerry Hughes said,
Speaker 1: and there's video of Hugh was yelling at the official
Speaker 1: that he's going to find him in the streets and
Speaker 1: take care of him. That so that like some discipline,
Speaker 1: probably interesting. Moved for a ref, he said, he wait
Speaker 1: till he sees him in the streets. Feels like a threat.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. That's really the single through the right side.
Speaker 1: The five on touch cuts down With six fifty three
Speaker 1: to go in regulation, the Rams are out to west.
Speaker 1: Is that voice you sometimes here in your backyard? J
Speaker 1: kespn with the call. Jaund Todd Gurley had a quiet
Speaker 1: night in the Rams. Epic shootout with the Chiefs a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks back, but the Girly of old was
Speaker 1: back on Sunday. They running back went for a buck
Speaker 1: thirty two and two touchdowns in the Rams is thirty
Speaker 1: sixteen win over the Lions. Mark This was not a
Speaker 1: vintage day for the Rams offense, but they still crack thirty.
Speaker 1: They looked like a team that had not played since
Speaker 1: nearly mid November. I mean that Chiefs game is a
Speaker 1: long time ago, and they that I give the Lions.
Speaker 1: The Lions are There's two things happening with the Lions.
Speaker 1: One their defense today, because every once in a while
Speaker 1: they pop up with an effort where you're kind of
Speaker 1: con see where they're going on defense. They played a
Speaker 1: nice game today and kept they coaxed Jared Goff into
Speaker 1: a bad interception into a fumble, and they hung around.
Speaker 1: My problem with the Lions and I'm in and there
Speaker 1: are fans agree that if you go watch this, and
Speaker 1: I suggest you sit down and watch not the condensed
Speaker 1: mode of this game, but the three and a half
Speaker 1: hour version to really get the new every game, every
Speaker 1: one of them, but the crowds go please but coach.
Speaker 1: This film is silent though, because this is an audio
Speaker 1: note where the where the stadium was going literally nuts
Speaker 1: with booze at this offense. That is a field goal
Speaker 1: offense in a league that needs to score time, they
Speaker 1: could not get out of their own way. One example,
Speaker 1: with an up with an opportunity to put points on
Speaker 1: the board before the end of the first half. There
Speaker 1: this is their version of a two minute offense, which
Speaker 1: is your deep in your own territory territory and for
Speaker 1: the eightieth drive in row, it's run run your third
Speaker 1: and long up Look at this here comes here comes
Speaker 1: an unchecked defender coming right through the line and dropping
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford to the ground. I get that they don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of weapons right now, but it is
Speaker 1: an unwatchable attack for the most part. They tried to
Speaker 1: use an on size kick early in the second half
Speaker 1: that didn't work. They had a tackle eligible play where
Speaker 1: they but they threw the touchdown a Taylor Decker. But
Speaker 1: it's like sad for the Detroit Lions pout these little
Speaker 1: these little trinkets that they attempt to do, and then
Speaker 1: the thing is the Rams just get it done by
Speaker 1: the end. And you did not succeed in selling me
Speaker 1: on the idea of spending three hours alone, because I
Speaker 1: would suggest that you never ever do that with this game.
Speaker 1: This was the anti backup game. Lines are four and eight.
Speaker 1: They've lost five of six. How about the Rams eleven
Speaker 1: and one? After all that, you I didn't even hear
Speaker 1: about Aaron Donald with the really cementing his defensive player
Speaker 1: there and maybe uh maybe even getting into the m
Speaker 1: v P convo with a key strip. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: I didn't mention that not protect Stafford and he's part
Speaker 1: for lost. I know. I'm just saying it's it's amazing
Speaker 1: how Donald has he does seem to have a knack
Speaker 1: for timing those strip sex that it always feels like
Speaker 1: it's at the biggest part of the game. Don't you
Speaker 1: feel like ever since you heard von Miller say that
Speaker 1: stop hitting quarterbacks, just go for the strip sex, like
Speaker 1: there's way more strip sex in the NFL good strategy
Speaker 1: that it feels like other pass rushers have taken that lesson.
Speaker 1: But what are you saying? I feel like there are
Speaker 1: a fewer hits on the quarterback and more hits on
Speaker 1: the arm and the ball change the game. Yeah, von
Speaker 1: Miller changed the game, but it shouldn't that have been
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom years ago that all sacks are not created
Speaker 1: equal and the ones that end up with a fumble
Speaker 1: are worth a lot more than the ones that aren't.
Speaker 1: Good point was I don't know uh. Next week in Chicago,
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Speaker 1: out across the party. Good forty midfield, the far sideline.
Speaker 1: This is gonna I want everybody. He is Stoyer, the
Speaker 1: cold one. He lays down of the somebody bringing oxygen.
Speaker 1: Nice ball of Steve Rival Seahawks broadcasting Bobby Wagner's yard
Speaker 1: pick six. But the finishing touches on a dominant effort
Speaker 1: by the Seahawks cruise past the Niners. At the clink,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson threw four touchdowns without a pick. So you
Speaker 1: have a cruise despite surrounding four hundred, surrendering four d
Speaker 1: fifty two yards of total offense. I want I presume
Speaker 1: a lot of that with the garbage time mark. The
Speaker 1: Seahawks look as dangerous as any team in the wild
Speaker 1: card race right now. Right for all the teams. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's some people that get wildly annoyed that it
Speaker 1: seems like I've knocked down every team we discussed left
Speaker 1: and right, But there's only like five or six you
Speaker 1: can really buy into the Seahawks that were climbing into
Speaker 1: that world where I wouldn't want to play them down
Speaker 1: the stretch, and they have who is it next week?
Speaker 1: Let's take away they have Minnesota at home. That's the
Speaker 1: game Minnesota. I think Minnesota is in hot water with
Speaker 1: that one. Seattle is playing just so well right now.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know what to take too
Speaker 1: much of this affair on the fact that they dropped
Speaker 1: an epic bomb on a Niners team that really is
Speaker 1: direction list completely and the whole Nick Mullins thing was
Speaker 1: a very nice evening on television a couple of weeks ago, right,
Speaker 1: it is utterly over at this point. They they could
Speaker 1: not get out of their own way with a couple
Speaker 1: really bad. They had a punt return fumble when they
Speaker 1: were up thirteen, when they were down thirteen nothing, and
Speaker 1: then they could proceed to have a Malcolm Smith helmet
Speaker 1: hit on Wilson. They have a p I at the
Speaker 1: goal line and the scoped twenty nothing. There's still more
Speaker 1: than half the game left, and you know it's over,
Speaker 1: and you knew it was over about ten minutes in.
Speaker 1: And I feel a little bit for for Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: because twenty of twenty eight games that he's coached have
Speaker 1: been with total no name Hammond Eggers under center. You
Speaker 1: know the Jimmy g Energy injury, obviously, but it's like
Speaker 1: all of last season and then all of last this season.
Speaker 1: He's trying to maximize these noboddies and they're really just
Speaker 1: a lost team right now. You talking about the the
Speaker 1: number one pick, they are absolutely in contention for that
Speaker 1: with the Raiders the worst record of the league. I mean,
Speaker 1: Wagner had a pick, six, sack, a force fumble, a
Speaker 1: fumble recovery, a couple of tackles for loss, a couple
Speaker 1: of passes defense. He is insane. I mean he Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald's gonna win Defensive Player of the Year. But I
Speaker 1: feel like Tony Dungee is probably already voted for Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 1: F you get if Wagner's getting MVP three years ago,
Speaker 1: he's getting the vote from dodgee this year. So the
Speaker 1: Seahawks keep ticking off wins. They beat the Packers, the Panthers,
Speaker 1: the forty Niners, and in my mind in the NFC,
Speaker 1: they have moved during that time. You move ahead of
Speaker 1: the Vikings, the Panthers, the Redskins, the Eagles, all those
Speaker 1: teams in the pecking order. And now you'd be surprised
Speaker 1: if they don't make the playoffs. And they should be
Speaker 1: the favorite for the number five seeds. They are the
Speaker 1: five seed right now. And yeah, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: think they'll lose it here after that Vikings game. They do.
Speaker 1: They do have the Chiefs, but you also have another
Speaker 1: forty Niners contest and the Cardinals. Yeah, you close out
Speaker 1: the year with the Cardinals when some other teams have
Speaker 1: tougher competition. In Week seventeen, that's a big boost for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I mean, the game was over and Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson had three touchdowns on four completions. That's like Brian
Speaker 1: Shotton timer Nirvana right there is he is. It's like
Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer's vision of football back. I mean, and this
Speaker 1: room and maybe not you. Greg, you did a pretty
Speaker 1: nice job with the Seahawks this year. But a lot
Speaker 1: of people had a lot of fun at the expense
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks in the direction of the team, including
Speaker 1: the hiring of Shaddy who does not have a great
Speaker 1: track record in this league. But they are proving people wrong.
Speaker 1: But one thing, and I should say this, he cares
Speaker 1: a game coach out of respect for uh the former
Speaker 1: team of a t N Seattle who win the rest
Speaker 1: of their games this year, and they still would not
Speaker 1: win the NFC West because the Rams clinched that title
Speaker 1: for the second straight year with their win today. It's impressive,
Speaker 1: first back to back in thirty years for them. Mark,
Speaker 1: this is your corner. Does Schottenheimer have a chance to
Speaker 1: win Assistant Coach of the Year. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: To Sunday Night Football, thirty nine yards, Mike Winter's the
Speaker 1: snapper Donnie Jones, who is the holder to win the
Speaker 1: game in Pittsburgh, and he does it. That was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Artie Burns was off side again. He'll go good. They
Speaker 1: were offside three straight times. There it is Mike Badgeley
Speaker 1: with the game winner from twenty nine yards out three
Speaker 1: consecutive offsides calls on the Steelers. The first two resultant
Speaker 1: in blocks that got waved off. The third time he
Speaker 1: makes the kick badually penalty declined in the Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Chargers and one of the biggest wins regular season wins
Speaker 1: in many, many years for this Chargers team, thirty three
Speaker 1: to thirty over the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field. If
Speaker 1: you would believe it, Greg Rosenthal, my goodness, this game
Speaker 1: looked well in half of the Steelers, who were up
Speaker 1: seven at the half, but the Chargers, led by Phil
Speaker 1: river Verse, kept charging. Sometimes you gotta have an incredible
Speaker 1: event happened to shock some people out of the dull
Speaker 1: drums and let them know that this is not every
Speaker 1: other Charger season. That's not the same old Charges. The
Speaker 1: same things need to happen to them, just because it's
Speaker 1: happened before. They come into this game without Melvin Gordon.
Speaker 1: They get a great effort from Justin Jackson in the
Speaker 1: second half of that game, a huge reason why they won.
Speaker 1: And they get some breaks and they take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: The play where the Steelers should have intercepted Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: in the end zone, it pops up, they get a
Speaker 1: touchdown out of it was where this game really changed
Speaker 1: for me. They get a big break, but you know
Speaker 1: what good teams do, they take advantage of their break.
Speaker 1: After that, they hit a two point conversion, Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: gets after Ben Roethlisberger. They go right down the field
Speaker 1: for two more touchdowns, including the two point conversion to Gates.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you get a little break, but they were
Speaker 1: by far the better team in the second half, and
Speaker 1: when they got that ball at the end, I felt
Speaker 1: good that they were going to go down in the
Speaker 1: field and score. And that's what they did. This is
Speaker 1: what you wanted to see from a Charger's team that
Speaker 1: at halftime had me very much in despair that they
Speaker 1: were simply one of these another another one of these
Speaker 1: ghost ships. They're gonna surprise you until December, and then
Speaker 1: fade away that justin Jackson drive a seventeen yard huge
Speaker 1: run followed by a nineteen yard catch, a great catch
Speaker 1: by Keenan Allen, and then the eighteen yard touchdown. That
Speaker 1: is I think a psychic shift for the Chargers in
Speaker 1: this game. Two more breaks, the missed block in the
Speaker 1: back call and Desmond Thing's punt return touch that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was obviously pushed. It was a mild call, and
Speaker 1: it was at like the yard that was one of
Speaker 1: the most obvious right there, right when he was avoiding him. Okay,
Speaker 1: and give him the ball at the thirty five and
Speaker 1: I'll take I am in the middle of making a
Speaker 1: football point. Yes, yes. Also the other break was after
Speaker 1: they get done playing Renegade in the stadium and everybody's
Speaker 1: hyped up. The defense comes out with energy. They lay
Speaker 1: the wood on Austin Nekeler and he doesn't get the
Speaker 1: third foot down for a football move. So it's not
Speaker 1: a fumble. It's just an incomplete pass. That was a
Speaker 1: big play in the game to West locked up the Steelers.
Speaker 1: That was that sound that you heard, and if you
Speaker 1: were following our periscope account, um a heart wrenching loss
Speaker 1: for the leader and the picks West. But you'll be okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little disturbed because ever since I said
Speaker 1: I'll take the Colts in me and the Locks against
Speaker 1: you and the Texans Dan, and then since then, the
Speaker 1: Texans have won twice in seven days. The Colts have
Speaker 1: lost and you won in the Locks, and I lost
Speaker 1: in the Locks. But he didn't even take the Texans
Speaker 1: and he ended up making a wrong twice. But we're
Speaker 1: away off topic, right back back to the exactly hey,
Speaker 1: but um the catch Keenan Allen that changed the game.
Speaker 1: That was a great point, Greg and Keenan Allen, who
Speaker 1: started this season a little bit slow out of the gate,
Speaker 1: and he's been able to stay healthy all season, which
Speaker 1: has been another issue in his career. But this was
Speaker 1: a huge, huge career highlight game for him. Fourteen for
Speaker 1: one and a touchdown and the two point conversion on
Speaker 1: nineteen targets. This game. As great as Phil Rivers is,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen seems to get lost in the shuffle a
Speaker 1: lot when talking about the best wide receivers. He had
Speaker 1: a money game when the team he needed him the most.
Speaker 1: Desmond King's made a lot of plays. It's just if
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a team that's trying to get a
Speaker 1: bye like the Chargers are, and now I think you
Speaker 1: have to look at them as a serious contender for
Speaker 1: the a f C West and to buy because this
Speaker 1: was this was kind of that game and they have
Speaker 1: another tough one against the Ravens, but this was that
Speaker 1: game they needed to get before they go to Kansas City.
Speaker 1: To stay in the mix where they have a chance.
Speaker 1: You gotta get contributions from a lot of different players,
Speaker 1: like Jackson, like Desmond King. And if you're the Steelers,
Speaker 1: not only do you lose the game, but you lose
Speaker 1: James Conner to what looked like um could be a
Speaker 1: significant injury, and you have a tough stretch coming up
Speaker 1: with the Saints and the Patriots coming up. In Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: like he has a season, plays really well overall, but
Speaker 1: just has that one throw that you can't forget about
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, and this was the
Speaker 1: first half throw where Derwin James picked him off on
Speaker 1: a pop fly when they could have really put that
Speaker 1: game away. I mean, your hope would be, we don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what's going on with James conn right now.
Speaker 1: You do have the Raiders in Oakland next week. Maybe
Speaker 1: James Conner, depending on the situation, gets right for that stretch,
Speaker 1: that evil stretch against the Patriots. And then into new words,
Speaker 1: well if yeah, if you're looking at the bye picture,
Speaker 1: I mean the Texans move up a slot for sure,
Speaker 1: because even in the Patriots are an even better position.
Speaker 1: If the Patriots went out in the a f C East,
Speaker 1: the Steelers can pass. Even if the Pittsburgh beats New England,
Speaker 1: they are now two games behind the game and a
Speaker 1: half behind the Patriots. So they need to beat New
Speaker 1: England and hope the Patriots stubbed their toe another game
Speaker 1: like next week in Miami, and I can't imagine the script.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I've experienced before where
Speaker 1: the Steelers have a nice hot season and then have
Speaker 1: to go deal with the Patriots and suddenly they're starting
Speaker 1: running back. It's hurt. It doesn't happened like three or
Speaker 1: four times. And it did. Just give me the thought
Speaker 1: when you think about this great a f C West race,
Speaker 1: the tenant to Chiefs, the nine and three Chargers, some
Speaker 1: a f C teams reward for winning their division is
Speaker 1: gonna have gonna be one of these two teams coming
Speaker 1: to their building in the wild card round. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's probably a challenge, could be the Steelers. It's
Speaker 1: it's either the Steelers, Texans or Patriot. And we know
Speaker 1: five teams are in the playoffs. We don't need we
Speaker 1: don't need to do a bunch of playoff picture or whatever.
Speaker 1: The Patriots Chiefs, Chargers, Steelers, and Texans are in. It's
Speaker 1: not official, but they're all getting in there, all nine
Speaker 1: five to ninety six plus percent chance to get in.
Speaker 1: And we're just playing the rest of the a f
Speaker 1: C for seating and to figure out who number six is.
Speaker 1: You haven't even mentioned this yet, but the Ravens are
Speaker 1: only a half game behind the Steelers. That's another one. Well,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Speaker 1: But a big win for the Los Angeles Chargers, who
Speaker 1: have lost tough games throughout their history in the regular
Speaker 1: season and got a big spotlight tonight and they come through.
Speaker 1: How about what's the opposite of the you know what whatever?
Speaker 1: The opposite of a curse of Matt Money Smith and
Speaker 1: DJ Daniel Jeremiah's that's what the Chargers got going on.
Speaker 1: You put them as your radio broadcast cast crew. Suddenly
Speaker 1: you're flying drags all fired up about that. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see. All right, that's it. This is Dan Hansis
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