Speaker 1: Mariota gives it to Henry Henry Fouson is it outside
Speaker 1: five ten fifty stiff arm, twenty thirty forty stiff arm
Speaker 1: fifty forty thirty. He's on his feet back Chase Floody
Speaker 1: fifty ten five tightness running franchise history. Forget franchise history,
Speaker 1: that's NFL history. The second nine nine yard run. This
Speaker 1: respect that Derrick Henry showed the Jacksonville Jaguars defense on
Speaker 1: the way to four touchdowns a thirty to nine victory
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night football by the Titans over the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm with Chris Wesley, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to previewing all the week fourteen games in just
Speaker 1: a minute. But how do you feel West on a
Speaker 1: night we watched the play that I'm gonna remind find
Speaker 1: you about at your son's high school graduation. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: do you remember that Thursday night? We were, you know,
Speaker 1: at work, and Derrick Henry ran for ninety nine yards?
Speaker 1: I told you i'd remind you about it in twenty
Speaker 1: something years. I'm gonna hope that in twentysomething years, when
Speaker 1: we run into each other, we're not gonna talk Titans Jaguars. No. Well,
Speaker 1: my point is I'm gonna say this game, if nothing else,
Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna get on a Thursday night.
Speaker 1: It provided one play that I think you will remember.
Speaker 1: And now that I've said it in in our listeners,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be still doing this podcast at that point.
Speaker 1: By the way, we're gonna be in our late We're
Speaker 1: gonna be in our late sixties, and all of our
Speaker 1: listeners that are listening to me now just put like
Speaker 1: a little reminder and say, hey, remind Greg to remind
Speaker 1: Wes about that touchdown when old Barnaby Westling is graduating
Speaker 1: high school with I can't imagine the paramore going for
Speaker 1: Barnaby Westling. I mean, hey, I mean, that's what more
Speaker 1: could you ask from from Titans Jacks, which I was not.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta ask for the same Jaguars defense
Speaker 1: from last week to show up, but that didn't happen. No,
Speaker 1: you could have asked, yeah, for a close game, but
Speaker 1: at least you've got an exciting performance. Doesn't make you
Speaker 1: feel any different about the Titans. To see him have
Speaker 1: a game like this, We've seen a couple where they
Speaker 1: put it all together. No, it doesn't. I think that
Speaker 1: that was a very poor defensive effort by the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: and I think this Jaguars defense tends to go as
Speaker 1: the offense goes. And when Leonard Fournette got stuffed at
Speaker 1: the end of a four team play drive that would
Speaker 1: have given Jacksonville a chance to take the lead even
Speaker 1: though they were being outplayed by the Titans, it just
Speaker 1: felt like they packed it in for the night. I
Speaker 1: get yeah, but that's a tough one because in You're right,
Speaker 1: but people said that when they were in Buffalo, they
Speaker 1: the defense kind of gave up. Well, it's shut out
Speaker 1: four or five days ago. I know it was at home.
Speaker 1: Well that yeah, this is on the road on a
Speaker 1: short week and you know, in the middle of by
Speaker 1: the way, in the last month of a lost season. Ye,
Speaker 1: it's all fair and it's a it's a tough spot
Speaker 1: they were in. But I don't think a j boyer
Speaker 1: at the beginning beginning of that play with that Henry
Speaker 1: made the ninety nine yard run, which is one play
Speaker 1: after the Dighton's defense stuffed Leonard four Nette. As you mentioned,
Speaker 1: he's trying to not tackle Miles Jack I mean Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry once he gets going, he's a tough man to
Speaker 1: bring down, not run. I'm I'm referring to the back
Speaker 1: to back jaunts through the heart or lack there of
Speaker 1: of the Jaguars defense in the middle of the third
Speaker 1: quarter that sealed the game and turned it into a laugher.
Speaker 1: And you're right, the uh the Jaguars defense, who I
Speaker 1: thought overall has played pretty well since since thereby didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot going on because it was a night.
Speaker 1: Even Marcus Mariota had a killer interception, didn't really have
Speaker 1: to do much, but the Titans defensive line one up
Speaker 1: front on both sides. But I mean they crushed poor
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler. I don't think Cody Kessler, you know, as
Speaker 1: a future star or anything, but he did not have
Speaker 1: much of a chance tonight with the lack of a
Speaker 1: running game and the total lack of offensive line play
Speaker 1: that the jack they now have one touchdown in his
Speaker 1: eight quarters. And I thought that the sequence with that
Speaker 1: Fournette and stuff that the goal line really represents the
Speaker 1: futility of this offense, especially the offensive line. Right they're
Speaker 1: running behind Eric Flowers and Patrick oh Mama, who were
Speaker 1: released by the Giants, Like a month ago, like that's
Speaker 1: that's the left side of the Jaguars line. They used
Speaker 1: to be the right side of the Giants offensive line
Speaker 1: when the Giants were considered to have the worst offensive
Speaker 1: line in the league. That reminds me because there was
Speaker 1: a play where both of those guys missed their blocks
Speaker 1: and Carlos Hide absolutely blown up. And how do you
Speaker 1: pronounce his name? Omaha? I don't know. He tried to
Speaker 1: go help Hide up, and Hide was so annoyed at him.
Speaker 1: He just kind of glared at him and stood up
Speaker 1: on his own. Because everyone's annoyed with the offensive line.
Speaker 1: The Titans are are a frustrating team to watch. They're
Speaker 1: not exciting, and yet they have the Giants next week,
Speaker 1: and then the reeling Redskins, and then the Redskins, and
Speaker 1: then they closed with the Colts at home in a
Speaker 1: game that both the Colts and the Titans will hope
Speaker 1: things break enough that it would be like a winner
Speaker 1: go home type of game, right, But that wouldn't that
Speaker 1: would involve the Ravensta. You don't know, there's not many
Speaker 1: really other than the Ravens. None of these a f
Speaker 1: C wild card contenders get me too excited, especially after
Speaker 1: the injuries in Denver, so I don't know. We might
Speaker 1: see another Marcus Mariott to play, you know, in the
Speaker 1: playoffs this year. We'd be remiss if we didn't mention
Speaker 1: that Henry broke Chris Johnson single game rushing yards record
Speaker 1: with two hundred thirty eight yards on seventeen carries, the
Speaker 1: fewest ever carries to get that many yards. He gave
Speaker 1: us something to cheer about, and hopefully Week fourteen has
Speaker 1: has more of that in store and to look ahead
Speaker 1: to it all on a nice beefy show. Let's send
Speaker 1: it over to Danny Hansas be Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: Still don't know the difference between intro and Welcome to
Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name
Speaker 1: is Dan Ass and I've joined in a room belt
Speaker 1: with heroes Mark Sesler, Chris Westling and Greg roseltal What
Speaker 1: is up? Boys? Hey da were back at the top
Speaker 1: of the show. You heardst and Greg Rosenthal breakdown Jags Titans.
Speaker 1: But we're not through. We're just getting started. All the
Speaker 1: Week fourteen action, Mark, and I know you're pumped. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see how I wonder if he still even
Speaker 1: knows who I am? But I assume he does. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see how long ago without talking this show?
Speaker 1: And you you blew up my my plan brought in
Speaker 1: that always an interesting strategy for an audio podcast. Greg,
Speaker 1: you have your glasses on today? Yeah, my contexts are
Speaker 1: bothering me. And Uh, the reason you can't really wear
Speaker 1: glasses in l A Is it's always sunny but not today, rainy,
Speaker 1: no sun. I love this miserable weather reminds me of home,
Speaker 1: cold and rain, and nobody wants to be outside. Everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of in a bad mood. Yeah, but you like
Speaker 1: you essentially just walked to your car. Like for those
Speaker 1: of us that uber the West and I often do that,
Speaker 1: you get stuck and then suddenly the uber that tells
Speaker 1: you it's three minutes away, it's it's sitting in a
Speaker 1: parking lot, and so it's actually like nine minutes away
Speaker 1: and you are a soaking hot mess one hundred feet
Speaker 1: from the workfront door. Sounds pretty from inside. Why would
Speaker 1: you call outside in the rain. That's a fair point. Uh.
Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Oh that's the siren, you know.
Speaker 1: The air horn means the twenty six hour window. Uh,
Speaker 1: to negotiate who gets to be closest to West as
Speaker 1: a groomsman has expired, so I will I will take
Speaker 1: that vacancy. I will be closest to West that we
Speaker 1: are a part of the wedding party. West was so
Speaker 1: nice to to to offer it to us yesterday. We
Speaker 1: we accepted, and now that that window is closed, it's
Speaker 1: all a first come, first serve. So I will be
Speaker 1: closest to West. In terms of the heroes in this room,
Speaker 1: I mean the assumption that you have any control over this,
Speaker 1: because there's probably four or five handlers, including uh the paramore,
Speaker 1: who is going to be very hooked into, like the
Speaker 1: line needs to be done by height. Well first of all,
Speaker 1: all right, well then first of all the best man.
Speaker 1: My argument is you know first, so that's been confirmed
Speaker 1: who that is. I said, only in this room. I
Speaker 1: want to be closest. I want to be better than
Speaker 1: you guys when the West the most important moment in
Speaker 1: West's life. I mean, I do remember. I do remember
Speaker 1: as as an impending groom, what I liked are like
Speaker 1: friends or family or just anyone else that wants to
Speaker 1: tell me anything about how to do the wedding. Like
Speaker 1: those are the friends and them that I really appreciated,
Speaker 1: like super high maintenance Brunsman that West a month from
Speaker 1: now is alory regretting involving in this. I'll probably get
Speaker 1: in trouble for this, but I am all for Dan's
Speaker 1: philosophy of just do things the way you want them
Speaker 1: and we don't have to be by height or match
Speaker 1: with the women in in the party or whatever. I'm
Speaker 1: going to get into the rules. Yeah, let's just have fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you look over and I'll just just a little awake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like not like not Dan, And like it would
Speaker 1: never even cross my mind that that's better to be
Speaker 1: closer or not, right, isn't that how most humans think? Well, also,
Speaker 1: you are, you're in a tough spot because you know
Speaker 1: you're in scenario. You're either going to be closest or
Speaker 1: furthest because your height, so you you're not going to
Speaker 1: be in them. But why would I give a censor
Speaker 1: either way? I don't know, I mean, why would anyone
Speaker 1: give it? It sort of sounds like in your mind
Speaker 1: the airhorn. It's official, but it feels slightly like this,
Speaker 1: this one day that West Lakisha have been waiting their
Speaker 1: entire lifetimes for, in your mind has a little bit
Speaker 1: more to do with you and how you're presented in
Speaker 1: front of a large crowd of people. That's I'd find
Speaker 1: that concerning. Well, yeah, everybody gets to put on a show,
Speaker 1: not just right anything West made him a groomsman. Look
Speaker 1: how close we are right now. It's gonna be just
Speaker 1: like the podcast. Let's see talking. We should all be
Speaker 1: putting on a show all the time. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get to the games. We'll start with the one o'clock games.
Speaker 1: UH and UH an a f C showdown of epic proportions.
Speaker 1: It is my three and nine New York Jets riding
Speaker 1: a six game losing streak up against the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: who UH found a way to lose mark last week
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins, but have been competitive in recent weeks
Speaker 1: and even spank the Jets three weeks ago by thirty
Speaker 1: points at thirty one point win at the Meadowlands. The
Speaker 1: only difference between that game and this, other than Kelvin
Speaker 1: Benjamin not being around, is Sam Donald is going to
Speaker 1: play for the Jets. Well, and I'd like to see
Speaker 1: that make a big difference, and I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: it will, because I get that this Jets team is
Speaker 1: a a raging disaster at this point. But you know,
Speaker 1: when these guys got drafted, this is what you wanted
Speaker 1: to see in the NFC East. You wanted to see
Speaker 1: Sam Donald verse Josh Allen. I think Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: carved out this fascinating little niche for himself where he's
Speaker 1: essentially just an insane runner who has outgained Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: Sequon Barkley, Ezekiela Elliott, and Todd Gurley over the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. I mean, he's an incomplete product through the air,
Speaker 1: but does some great stuff. But come on, how about
Speaker 1: Jets do something to stop the bleeding and pour Dan's
Speaker 1: dad who having to listen to his last wrap up.
Speaker 1: I feel concerned for his well being out there on
Speaker 1: the East Coast having to deal with this product week
Speaker 1: after week. You're gonna clean everyone out. It's a tough
Speaker 1: order to deal with Buffalo's defense in Buffalo, But come on,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bates, take the handcuffs off and show us something
Speaker 1: down the stretch with Sam Donald gives give you something
Speaker 1: to go into the off season with. It irritates me
Speaker 1: how they run this offense when Donald's been in there.
Speaker 1: It's been Uh. Bates isn't coming back. This is not
Speaker 1: gonna be a Jim Bob Cooter situation where the coach
Speaker 1: gets fired but the o C stays. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a total house cleaning. So you wonder, even even as
Speaker 1: a Jets ven, you want Donald back in the line,
Speaker 1: if you want him to continue to get reps and
Speaker 1: hopefully Uh and the and the season on on a
Speaker 1: good note. But I don't know how much carry over
Speaker 1: there is because the whole thing is gonna be blown up.
Speaker 1: I'm at the point now where it's like, just don't
Speaker 1: get hurt, please, no serious injury. And that's the most
Speaker 1: I can ask for, which is not a couple of
Speaker 1: games can change so much. Four games is a is
Speaker 1: a long time in the NFL, so you you could
Speaker 1: you could feel a lot different if he starts Sam
Speaker 1: Darneld making the progress that I think, I'm not being
Speaker 1: too optimistic to believe that Josh Allen started to make
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. I'm not saying he looks
Speaker 1: like a future star or anything, but I think you
Speaker 1: can see some incremental progress, not just that he's making
Speaker 1: some plays, but that he's he's doing some things you
Speaker 1: would expect an NFL quarterback to do a little bit better.
Speaker 1: And if you're a Bills fan, I think you have
Speaker 1: to be happy because unlike uh, Jeremy Bates and the
Speaker 1: Bill in the Jets, I think this Bill staff is returning.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. You can never know about the offense.
Speaker 1: But I remember early in the year you were wondering
Speaker 1: Dan if McDermott could be gone. There's no way he's nobly. Uh,
Speaker 1: lets move on. Uh. The six and six Carolina Pathers,
Speaker 1: losers of four in a row, travel to Cleveland to
Speaker 1: face the Browns. The Browns, uh, after two straight wins,
Speaker 1: kind of got smacked down by the Texans. Uh. So
Speaker 1: they were humbled a bit. They fall to four seven
Speaker 1: and one, and they are Are they in the hunt? Are?
Speaker 1: Would they be? In your in the hunt? The Browns
Speaker 1: at this point they are no longer in the hunt.
Speaker 1: They had a chance to get into it if they
Speaker 1: won last week and now they're done in the hunt.
Speaker 1: And then, um West on the Panthers side of it,
Speaker 1: who do you is who's the most to blame for
Speaker 1: this four game losing streak that has really turned the
Speaker 1: season upside down? Well, I would say in three of
Speaker 1: the four losses, or at least two of the four,
Speaker 1: bad luckist is to blame, but also Cam Newton's sore shoulder.
Speaker 1: The chickens are coming home to roost here. He his
Speaker 1: passer rating has dropped precipitously over the past four weeks,
Speaker 1: and under pressure situations and um sideline throw those and
Speaker 1: throwing on the run in almost every category where you
Speaker 1: can measure arm strength, his passer raiding his dropped, and
Speaker 1: it matches what we saw on film this week. Did
Speaker 1: he can't make some of these throws, especially when the
Speaker 1: pocket is muddy. He needs to be able to step
Speaker 1: into the throw, get his whole body into it in
Speaker 1: order to make the throws. This is a major injury
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, there's questions about offseason surgery. He
Speaker 1: had this shoulder operated it on a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and so is it one more loss in the Panthers
Speaker 1: potentially shut him down or you're gonna try to keep
Speaker 1: him in there hoping to salvage what certainly appears like
Speaker 1: a lost season to begin with. I think eight. I
Speaker 1: think they would wait until they're out of contention, especially
Speaker 1: with Ron Rivera fighting for his job. I don't think
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera should lose his job, by the way, because
Speaker 1: I think that North turners onto something here and that
Speaker 1: they should continue on that path, and that over the
Speaker 1: last six seven years, Rivera is about as good a
Speaker 1: difference making defensive head coach as there is, or at
Speaker 1: least he's up there. And I just don't think it's
Speaker 1: worth blowing it up unless you're this new owner that
Speaker 1: has like a great idea of what to do. But they,
Speaker 1: I would say the biggest problem is that they don't
Speaker 1: create pressure. I'm thinking of a couple of plays in
Speaker 1: their loss. Who is it to Seattle where they blitz,
Speaker 1: which is not something you know they're known to do,
Speaker 1: And they still couldn't get pressure and Russell Wilson picked
Speaker 1: him apart early in last week's game, could not get
Speaker 1: pressure on Jamis Winston. Uh. And ultimately they're not a
Speaker 1: good pass rush team, and that's what they've been over
Speaker 1: the years. They're not the Panthers we knew, and keep
Speaker 1: an eye mark to your point on Carolina here if
Speaker 1: they can't beat the Browns, and it is no no
Speaker 1: shame now to go to Cleveland and lose. The Browns
Speaker 1: are a team on the rise. Inconsistent, but they could
Speaker 1: beat a lot of teams in their building. If they
Speaker 1: lose this week, they go six and seven. I agree,
Speaker 1: unless Newton is hurting more has a setback, he'll probably start.
Speaker 1: But then you got New Orleans the next week. If
Speaker 1: they don't win that game, if they dropped to six
Speaker 1: and eight, I would imagine they would shut Newton down
Speaker 1: and begin what could be a really tough and UH
Speaker 1: offseason filled with question marks. Because they twice operated on shoulder.
Speaker 1: That's like Chad Pennington situation for a quarterback, and you
Speaker 1: wonder if we'll ever get it back. The one UH
Speaker 1: bright spot that I see in this matchup for Carolina
Speaker 1: is watching the way that Cleveland was gashed on the
Speaker 1: ground early on by the Texans on the run. They
Speaker 1: just I don't know if it was the scheme. They
Speaker 1: had these deep safety thing going on, but they was embarrassing.
Speaker 1: You haven't real they haven't really had that happen to
Speaker 1: them that way, even though they run defense. It was
Speaker 1: an embarrassing first half the way that they played defense
Speaker 1: last week, and Christian McCaffrey's on fire. UH. Let's move
Speaker 1: on to two of the more disappointing teams in the NFC,
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons four and eight, losers of four straight,
Speaker 1: and the Green Bay Packers four seven and one. Uh,
Speaker 1: they have lost five of six and that slump cost
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's job. So it's Joe Fieldman's first game Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthal as interim coach. There has been this idea you
Speaker 1: see it on Twitter, that Aaron Rodgers might take off now,
Speaker 1: that this could be a change of scenery that sends
Speaker 1: the Packers off and running. But at what point did
Speaker 1: we just give up the ghosts of the Packers this season?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's because Joe Philban is
Speaker 1: gonna walk in there and inspire the troops or anything.
Speaker 1: If anything, it could happen because Aaron Rodgers is amazing,
Speaker 1: and he threw a ball seventy two yards last week
Speaker 1: and no one even noticed in an actual game, and
Speaker 1: that he gets to play one of the way the
Speaker 1: ball traveled seventy two yards out of his hand in
Speaker 1: an NFL game, I don't know if I've ever seen
Speaker 1: that in my life. Even it was, he was sort
Speaker 1: of doing the thing where like if it was intercepted,
Speaker 1: it would have been an arm punt. He was just
Speaker 1: trying to throw it as far as he could. It
Speaker 1: almost felt like he was taking out all the aggression
Speaker 1: from the Mike McCarthy era on that throw and just
Speaker 1: saying screw you. But he could. It could be a
Speaker 1: nice little Philbin narrative after this game, because he's playing
Speaker 1: a team that's bad at so many different things, especially
Speaker 1: on defense, and that's why I'm going with this nonconsequential
Speaker 1: game to lock it up for the Packers. For the Packers,
Speaker 1: that's right, everything's just a little bit sloppy with their
Speaker 1: offense right now. Rogers himself wasn't setting his feet last
Speaker 1: game too often, fading away as he throws a lot
Speaker 1: of balls at his receiver shins. Josh Cohen on Twitter
Speaker 1: has a video of Jimmy Graham putting forth absolutely no
Speaker 1: effort whatsoever in his blocking assignments. It's in one of
Speaker 1: the most embarrassing lot of pain. It's one of the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing films you'll see Jimmy Graham just not even trying. Uh.
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers wide receivers running very lazy routes, sloppy routes,
Speaker 1: no crispness to them whatsoever. Dan Orlowski has a tweet
Speaker 1: on that there's a lot going on about this Packers offense. Well,
Speaker 1: and on the flip side, I mean, Matt Ryan took
Speaker 1: an absolute beating against the Ravens last week, and there's
Speaker 1: can they're talking about the everyone from the head coach
Speaker 1: on downs like we've got to find a way to
Speaker 1: protect him better. I mean these speaking of guys who
Speaker 1: can be shut down. He's on pace to be sacked
Speaker 1: more than he ever has in his life. He doesn't
Speaker 1: miss a game. Matt Ryan is in that type of quarterback.
Speaker 1: But with some of these teams, and let's say Greg
Speaker 1: does lock this up there four and nine and and
Speaker 1: this guy gets sack four or five more times, he's like,
Speaker 1: he's still your quarterback the next five years. When do
Speaker 1: you just take the l this offense. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many offenses I've seen that were so lively earlier
Speaker 1: in the year. It feels totally dead to me. Their
Speaker 1: offensive line is terrible at pass protection, they can't run
Speaker 1: the ball, they can't stop the run. They're really not
Speaker 1: much of and then there's almost nothing they do well
Speaker 1: other than they have Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and
Speaker 1: Julio Jones is beat up. He's coming off his worst game,
Speaker 1: one of the worst games of his career. In fact, statistically,
Speaker 1: this was my NFC title game prediction. Might be more
Speaker 1: more people in this room's title prediction. I don't remember
Speaker 1: we all had the Falcon. It's amazing. This games doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything. I mean the Falcon score it. It is
Speaker 1: very much like that offense that was driving people crazy
Speaker 1: last year sixteen, nineteen, seventeen sixteen. They just don't get
Speaker 1: in the end zone anymore. Let's move on. The Indianapolis
Speaker 1: Cults humbled in in Jacksonville last week, the big chlorine
Speaker 1: pool shutouts nothing uh and that dropped him to six
Speaker 1: and six and snapped the five game winning streak. So
Speaker 1: they have to get back in it, and they are
Speaker 1: in the race in the a f C, but they
Speaker 1: can't give away another loss here, especially against the Texans
Speaker 1: who are very close to wrapping things up here in
Speaker 1: the a f C. South, Mark, what do you think
Speaker 1: I like this as the comeback Player of the Year Bowl.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, now got a little J J. Hot action,
Speaker 1: Sam Andrew Luck, Deshaun Watson. I think you know the
Speaker 1: Cults issues go back? Mark, I thought it was a
Speaker 1: good idea. UM, I don't know if you can sell
Speaker 1: it that way alone. I I don't. I'm not giving
Speaker 1: up on the Cults yet. But their issues go back
Speaker 1: prior to last week. There the earlier the game before that,
Speaker 1: they were not hot on offense, and I don't I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: This Texans defense is one of the reasons that Houston
Speaker 1: feels like a team kind of peeking at the right time.
Speaker 1: They're finally getting turnovers. It was you know, Zack Cunningham
Speaker 1: had a pick six last week against the Browns. They've
Speaker 1: victimized the Browns in the first town four turnovers, and
Speaker 1: Justin Reid had a that huge pick six two weeks
Speaker 1: ago or three weeks ago. And then I had a
Speaker 1: huge fumble recovery against Antonio Callowie last week that I
Speaker 1: thought really sort of sealed that game. Right, He's like
Speaker 1: the twelve rank safety by PFF. So their secondaries playing well,
Speaker 1: and you know last week they didn't really even need
Speaker 1: major highlight players from j. J. Watt or Jadeveon Clowney.
Speaker 1: They did it in other ways and so another tough
Speaker 1: matchup for Indianapolis. Yeah, their defense, the front seven is
Speaker 1: swarming right now, and I think their secondary hits as
Speaker 1: hard as any secondary in the league. They lay the
Speaker 1: wood Tyrone Matthew and Kareem Jackson especially. This is a
Speaker 1: must win game for the Cults, and they're really banged up.
Speaker 1: T Y Hilton is dealing with a shoulder injury. Eric
Speaker 1: Ebron hasn't practiced this week, dontrelle In Men has an injury.
Speaker 1: Jack Doyle's out for the season. Ryan Kelly's not gonna
Speaker 1: play in this game. So you're locking it up, I'm
Speaker 1: not locking it up. I don't feel as a Cults supporter,
Speaker 1: I do not feel good about this matchup because the
Speaker 1: Texans continue to get better and better every week. Mark,
Speaker 1: you already mentioned they're running game, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that was just Cleveland scheme. I think it's the Texans
Speaker 1: are running really well right now. It's been weeks in
Speaker 1: a row. A little bit bummed West. I was a
Speaker 1: little bit excited for a team of westl versus team
Speaker 1: of Zeus tel lock off. I've got too much at steak.
Speaker 1: I got I got Mark hot on my trail, I
Speaker 1: got the subreddit board hot on my trail. I've got
Speaker 1: you coming up through I can't here now, Uh, you're
Speaker 1: asking us marks one back marks only one back got it.
Speaker 1: We'll have to the subreddit will have to see if
Speaker 1: they I mean, I'm bounded. They very stupid. Soon I
Speaker 1: was told that they went to home depot, they went
Speaker 1: to bed, bath and beyond. They shopped around for the right.
Speaker 1: They got it one of those full length mirrors, you know,
Speaker 1: like the flattering ones where it's like, oh, I'm looking
Speaker 1: good in this mirror. Yeah, all you know all this
Speaker 1: work in the Pelton it's full length mirror. You look
Speaker 1: good depending on who you are. It's not not everything
Speaker 1: that's good, right, But it's one of those, you know,
Speaker 1: they're flattering mirrors, and that they got one of those,
Speaker 1: and that's good. And I don't know who they locked
Speaker 1: up this week, but if they, if I respect their
Speaker 1: lock up, I will basically save them into a suicide mission.
Speaker 1: I did not that was that, Hey, you take the
Speaker 1: Browns on the road against the hottest team in the league.
Speaker 1: That's your thing. Don't put that on. There was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a listener verse Dan heat on the
Speaker 1: reddit point up, that's fine, we love each other. Just
Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta be honest. I am gonna lock
Speaker 1: up the Houston Texans because I've been doing it. I've
Speaker 1: been on this team for weeks and weeks and and
Speaker 1: I haven't been locking them up every week, and I
Speaker 1: feel like it's time to sink that up a little better.
Speaker 1: Can I help the sub breddit out here with one
Speaker 1: little piece of information? The hanging onion is a totally
Speaker 1: different concept than the lock up. You don't need to
Speaker 1: put both of them together. I think there's some confusion
Speaker 1: on that board that every lock has to be hanging. No,
Speaker 1: it does not. It does not. And they were on you,
Speaker 1: I think because you picked the Patriots at home, which
Speaker 1: I thought I thought took that as more of a
Speaker 1: bit on your part on some level. Well not really.
Speaker 1: I do the mirror tests, but I factor in Greg's
Speaker 1: uh Vegas test as well that it did pass. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something to consider, and I'm surprised coming into this game.
Speaker 1: I okay, I know. One of the most fun things
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now is Deshaun Watson developing. I
Speaker 1: think week after week. There was the first drive of
Speaker 1: last game, this third and fifteen throw he threw from
Speaker 1: the pocket into a tight window. Some of the ways
Speaker 1: he's changing protection. Dan Orlovsky had a good h tweet
Speaker 1: about that, like Watson's getting better each and every week.
Speaker 1: But I I'm kind of I'm almost shook that West
Speaker 1: is so shook. Maybe he's maybe he's too close to
Speaker 1: the Colts. That last week's performance, which was terrible. It
Speaker 1: was almost like the Jaguars had read all the nice
Speaker 1: stories about the Colts offensive line and they're watching Baldi's
Speaker 1: breakdowns and whatnot, and they're like, please, we're gonna destroy
Speaker 1: them for one week. But it was only one week
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, as like Tom Brady one said,
Speaker 1: are you gonna lay down? You're gonna fight? Well, if
Speaker 1: this podcast was recorded on Saturday and night him from
Speaker 1: information to t Y Hilton and Eric Ebron and Dontrell
Speaker 1: Edman were healthy, I would feel a lot different. But
Speaker 1: that's you're already without Doyle. And if you if all
Speaker 1: three of those guys are are so banged up that
Speaker 1: their game time decisions, I'm not I'm not putting myself.
Speaker 1: I mean, my supports with the Colts, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be more than people realize. I think
Speaker 1: because of he was it wasn't just pass catching. It's
Speaker 1: the way he helped in the run games. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When these teams played, they've been very close. They were
Speaker 1: close earlier in the season, and I think the Colts
Speaker 1: have shown over a long enough period of time that
Speaker 1: we shouldn't give up on them this week. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, like you know, I don't know what you know.
Speaker 1: There's no owner there right now, like what they're thinking
Speaker 1: in terms of the roof or whatever. But I think
Speaker 1: that rain is traveling from Los Angeles to Houston. At
Speaker 1: least you're taking now, Eric, just surprising me. That's a
Speaker 1: field goal game at worst week right now? I did poor.
Speaker 1: I did poor. We're at three and four of the season.
Speaker 1: But how did you do last week? Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: I mean the listeners should know this. No. Yeah, by
Speaker 1: the way, listeners, don't hit me with like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: putting on I'm putting up real cash. But do you
Speaker 1: think this is That's exactly what the segment is. You're
Speaker 1: giving advice to gambler. Well, you know what, you're idiots.
Speaker 1: I'm not even a coin would be doing better than
Speaker 1: I can. And you can pick favorites on best bets.
Speaker 1: We're just trying to have some fun. We're bringing some rain,
Speaker 1: but it's a small sample size they're gonna come. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they're gonna cover this. I think shook
Speaker 1: a little bit. You don't have to. You seem not
Speaker 1: to have the confidence in the rain right now. No,
Speaker 1: I feel fine. It's a it's a long thing. I
Speaker 1: I do, you know, I I do. I feel fine,
Speaker 1: But I would never never. It's kind of like fantasy football.
Speaker 1: Never listen to anyone else's but it's not a fantasy.
Speaker 1: It's real money, Yeah, involving real human lives. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: so's you're a grown man. Make your own decisions. If
Speaker 1: you want salty, if you want it from other be
Speaker 1: on some tips. I've been having a good season picking games.
Speaker 1: I think for the health. I think for the healthy,
Speaker 1: you need a nice little two in a week here
Speaker 1: if you're gonna also inferl a second one of these
Speaker 1: at some point during the show, I think, I think
Speaker 1: the bit is more just about like life short, like
Speaker 1: could I could get I could die in the rain
Speaker 1: on the way home tonight, Like would I want to
Speaker 1: keep those rain makers? And then that fun in my pocket?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find on the subreddit by the way,
Speaker 1: who the who they locked up? I can't even figure
Speaker 1: it out. Anyway, Let's move on the Ravens seven and five.
Speaker 1: They've won three straight coming out of there by all
Speaker 1: three wins with Lamar Jackson behind center. But here is
Speaker 1: the biggest test for the kid. And we got the
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco situation going on here to Chris Westling, uh,
Speaker 1: he's practicing with that hip issue. But here is a
Speaker 1: real test. Not a great defense again, Lamar Jackson doesn't
Speaker 1: hit up great defense, but a game where they're got
Speaker 1: the score points and it's this is not gonna be
Speaker 1: seventeen fourteen. I I love listening to Tony Romo because
Speaker 1: I learned something from him every time. And what I
Speaker 1: learned last week was he said the Ravens defense, the
Speaker 1: way they run their system, they are the best marriage
Speaker 1: of scheme and talent in the NFL. And this game
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs is gonna be an unbelievable test for
Speaker 1: their offense because the Ravens put more heat on quarterbacks
Speaker 1: than anyone else. According to Tony Romo, he thinks this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a good matchup. Um and I do too.
Speaker 1: I think it's a contrast in styles like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and Saints. And the real problem with the Chiefs defense
Speaker 1: is they are dead last and run d v o
Speaker 1: A from Football Outsiders metrics. They don't stop anybody on
Speaker 1: the run. And the Ravens have about seven fifteen yards
Speaker 1: rushing in the past three weeks compared to I think
Speaker 1: one sixty six for their opponents. Unreal, that's one of
Speaker 1: the most lopsided stats I've seen lately. And they just
Speaker 1: they just made Doug Martin and Jalen Richard look like
Speaker 1: a nice little one to combo. So you're right, I'd
Speaker 1: be a little I was surprised coming out of minus
Speaker 1: the multiple fumbles, but yeah, he's running back the phone
Speaker 1: all of them. That's fair. But they ran the ball
Speaker 1: well against like that defensive performance was concerning because they
Speaker 1: had been trending upwards and that was one of their
Speaker 1: very worst of the season. I love this is sort
Speaker 1: of this ideological tussle because the Ravens the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. So the obviously not a Ravens fan, but
Speaker 1: I can get into a team when suddenly they're doing
Speaker 1: something real freaky, like what this team is doing. But
Speaker 1: I'd still see a lot of mistakes from Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: when they try to do something other than have him
Speaker 1: be one of the more fascinating guys to watch run
Speaker 1: the ball of our entire lifetime. Found it interesting that
Speaker 1: Football Outsiders tweeted that they're actually down in d v
Speaker 1: O over the three weeks that Lamar Jackson has played,
Speaker 1: and yes, and their way up in defense and special team. Well,
Speaker 1: part of that is he turns. He's been turning the
Speaker 1: ball over and bumbling a time, even when he doesn't lose,
Speaker 1: lose the ball, and some of them he's missed some
Speaker 1: open receivers. But as Rama pointed out, a lot of
Speaker 1: the reason the receivers are open is because of Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: because teams are trying to stop the run on third
Speaker 1: and five so you can scheme up plays, and they're
Speaker 1: coming up with cool stuff each and every week that
Speaker 1: defenses really don't have UH an answer for, at least
Speaker 1: right away. Like it's putting a lot of pressure on
Speaker 1: this raven staff to kind of come up with new
Speaker 1: things every week. But they've been doing it, and I
Speaker 1: that's what makes football phone it is And I agree
Speaker 1: with you. It is such an interesting UH matchup when
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have the ball because because the Ravens are
Speaker 1: blitzeeing every day, like they'll come after you first down,
Speaker 1: second down, it doesn't matter if they get you, as
Speaker 1: Romo was saying, kind of the second and eleven, like
Speaker 1: they're coming, and the Chief's offensive line has been up
Speaker 1: and down. I mean, they haven't been any great shake.
Speaker 1: So if you're not getting any running game with Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt no longer there and you're into some long yarded situations,
Speaker 1: you could see Mahomes make some mistakes like he did
Speaker 1: in the Rams game. And I kind of like the
Speaker 1: Ravens to keep this one real interesting. They're a little strange.
Speaker 1: I think they miss Kareem Hunt through the air too, obviously,
Speaker 1: But I wonder, is this the kind of game where,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about all the time, the old
Speaker 1: Madden or Techno game where you're you're playing your brother
Speaker 1: and you decide to get a like a ground heavy
Speaker 1: offense and just milk out the entire first quarter and
Speaker 1: then oh, by the way, there goes the second quarter
Speaker 1: and you keep the ball out of the other team's hands.
Speaker 1: It's harder said than done, but this is a better
Speaker 1: option to keep the Chiefs off the field. And a
Speaker 1: lot of other teams. Well, they've been doing it. They
Speaker 1: have the most ten plus played drives the Ravens do
Speaker 1: of any team in the NFL by decent margin. They've
Speaker 1: scored points in insecutives quarters. I believe, which is that's
Speaker 1: the goal, right, but is probably gonna give it to
Speaker 1: one of you. I want this game. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: requesting that that ball. That ball control strategy that works,
Speaker 1: But don't fall behind fourteen nothing? Right, Well, you know
Speaker 1: you've got to control the game. You cannot fall behind.
Speaker 1: I think that if this game is close after a quarter,
Speaker 1: I think it will be a fun game. But I
Speaker 1: don't know the Chiefs at home, I can see this
Speaker 1: is a nice little muh potential moment here from the
Speaker 1: homes because you you take care of the Ravens. After
Speaker 1: the week he had last week where he's throwing up
Speaker 1: just an insane amount of people. Hey, people ask us
Speaker 1: which game pass games to watch? Sometimes go watch that.
Speaker 1: Just watch the Chiefs on offense. It was so you
Speaker 1: guys have both, and I think Mark has Well have
Speaker 1: been saying Drew Brees is your m VP pick. But
Speaker 1: after week thirteen, he had to have closed the gap
Speaker 1: the way he played, combined with I totally agree with
Speaker 1: you because I'll always stick to the fact that it's
Speaker 1: it's a story more than like a real scientific study,
Speaker 1: especially factoring in who votes. But it's like if you
Speaker 1: put that Saints game back in Week two and they
Speaker 1: just kept doing what they were doing, no one would
Speaker 1: even remember. But because it happens on Thursday Night football,
Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, Drew Brees isn't the m v P leader.
Speaker 1: Now potentially it's just it's I think I think they're
Speaker 1: one A and one B. I would probably it's also
Speaker 1: a great race, is a great I think, the best
Speaker 1: setting records, and he's doing things that you also just
Speaker 1: your eyes have never seen. So I think he's right there,
Speaker 1: one A, one B. Yeah. And I don't think you
Speaker 1: can just off the cuff keep saying that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is the most talented quarterback in the NFL anymore, because
Speaker 1: Patrick Patrick's homes talent is there up there with anyone.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. The New England Patriots nine
Speaker 1: in three first place in the a f C East.
Speaker 1: They currently have the second seed in the a f C,
Speaker 1: which would mean a bye for the ninth n row.
Speaker 1: I believe Greg, if they can hold onto it. They
Speaker 1: travel to Miami to face the Dolphins. The Dolphins got
Speaker 1: by uh the Bills barely last week. Greg, But Pat's
Speaker 1: this is Pats season, you know, and and the kids
Speaker 1: they do as z and that season December football. They
Speaker 1: take care of business in this spot typically they do,
Speaker 1: except not in this spot specifically being my it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: This is the one team that seems to get under
Speaker 1: New England's skin in this trip. Right. They had a
Speaker 1: few big losses in the early Pats dynasty area era,
Speaker 1: and they had they've now lost four or five there
Speaker 1: down in Miami. That left laughed because it's around this
Speaker 1: time every year that we have remember Ronnie Brown in
Speaker 1: the Wildcat, Well, they also knocked New England. How did
Speaker 1: the playoffs or at least it was in that two
Speaker 1: thousand and two seasons, There's not much to point to,
Speaker 1: although Rio Pats fans will also remember, I think this
Speaker 1: is kind of in Miami was almost where the dynasty started.
Speaker 1: A Week five game where Troy Brown scored an overtime
Speaker 1: kick started that two thousand three season. Eric or remember
Speaker 1: she was six years old back then. Uh, but I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about this game at all. I don't care
Speaker 1: about the Ford, Oh I'm not. I it's weird. Patriots
Speaker 1: fans are super panicky because their offense clearly isn't as
Speaker 1: good as it's been the entire decade. It's the worst
Speaker 1: Patriots offense since probably oh nine, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's relative. It's still pretty solid. But I like
Speaker 1: that the way that they've changed gears and they've been
Speaker 1: way more aggressive defensively in terms of their blitzes. They're
Speaker 1: playing a little more of a defensive ball control game
Speaker 1: because they know it's a little bit of smoking mirrors
Speaker 1: that it's all around the running backs. But it's okay.
Speaker 1: There's different ways to win games. Patriots won a lot
Speaker 1: of games last decade doing that that sort of style,
Speaker 1: and I think they're doing it well right now. One
Speaker 1: thing that happening with the Dolphins. This came out today
Speaker 1: that Xavieran Howard has been awesome. We talked about him
Speaker 1: on Sunday's Show is out it sounds like, but there's
Speaker 1: talk that he may have undergone or will undergo surgery
Speaker 1: on his knee. It's for the Dolphins. As good as
Speaker 1: I felt about the Patriots since Week one, the way
Speaker 1: they're playing, and I don't think he can just like
Speaker 1: shut down the short passing game or just shut down
Speaker 1: the running game, and then you shut down the Patriots.
Speaker 1: That's why you can. You can win several ways with
Speaker 1: this all. That's why I'm gonna take the Patriots and
Speaker 1: lock him up. Now, I'm not all right, I don't
Speaker 1: do that. That was funny. I like that Dan's hair
Speaker 1: was like fire. I didn't say anything, it was just okay, listen,
Speaker 1: it's a mirror. I can't see what that would not
Speaker 1: not look in the mirror that would not pass the
Speaker 1: the point spread test there. I don't care about that mirror,
Speaker 1: but I the one of just you know, varied self respect.
Speaker 1: It doesn't pass that. There is something to watch, I
Speaker 1: think like about the Dolphins. Yeah, the Dolphins. They've only
Speaker 1: had a losing record one week all season. They're about
Speaker 1: to have it for two. Um bye bye. Oh one
Speaker 1: other one other question, Greg, I read and I enjoyed
Speaker 1: your qbat and thank you, and uh you got tammy boy.
Speaker 1: I believe it nine, the number nine quarterback. It's been
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks since uh, the whispers of gradual
Speaker 1: decline and we're really starting to percolate. What are you
Speaker 1: feel about Tommy right now? I didn't feel about the
Speaker 1: same as I felt with him all season that it's
Speaker 1: not quite I don't think it's the offenses on an
Speaker 1: upward trajectory. I think he's doing some some things you
Speaker 1: would you know, most teams would love out of their quarterback.
Speaker 1: But the vision and that certainly any plays down the
Speaker 1: field are not quite there. But that's okay, Like if
Speaker 1: you remember that, I mean, they won super Bowls in
Speaker 1: two thousand three, two thousand four, and he wasn't really
Speaker 1: making those sorts of plays. They're they're more of a
Speaker 1: team that's getting a little tough, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Does have the sub I mean prior to two thousand
Speaker 1: seven or more, what numbers are right now? Like that
Speaker 1: that that period where he wasn't a dynamic like producer
Speaker 1: in terms of statistic numbers, and then things blew up
Speaker 1: into the part of it is Gronk is coming off
Speaker 1: what Greg Bdard called his worst game maybe in like
Speaker 1: a decade old. He looked, he was terrible. Blocking doesn't
Speaker 1: look right Edelman is seems to be playing through an injury,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it doesn't matter. Sometimes it's not about one,
Speaker 1: it's about fifty three. And that's that's why, like I
Speaker 1: almost noticed it. It was like it was like I
Speaker 1: came into the studio today and it was just like
Speaker 1: leaking a little bit, Like was it was it leaking?
Speaker 1: Making it right on this game downstairs? I don't care.
Speaker 1: That's nine Patriots go in there in the role. Alright,
Speaker 1: forget his story. You need a couple of wins. I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for you. What I love it. I like this segment,
Speaker 1: but what I know you don't think there's accountability on it.
Speaker 1: But you need a couple of wuts this week. At
Speaker 1: least one give us one. I'm doctor Rainmaker's gotta go one.
Speaker 1: Some wins, not win, you need multiple. That's also we're
Speaker 1: told each each week that one of our game previews
Speaker 1: has put on YouTube. And I just realized that was
Speaker 1: that one where I spent the entire time like leaning
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Speaker 1: Let's move on NFC South matchup to say it's at
Speaker 1: tenant to travel to Tampa to face a frisky Bucks
Speaker 1: team mark five and seven. They've won two straight drew brees.
Speaker 1: Though I buy into some people say, oh, these are fake,
Speaker 1: made up sports narratives. I like teams that are angry,
Speaker 1: and they just got kind of humbled after a hot
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Speaker 1: after they got shut down for the first time in
Speaker 1: two and a half months. Good luck to you, Bucks.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of games like that this week, and
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I have kind of been short
Speaker 1: of just dismissing the Bucks here and there as a
Speaker 1: bit of a disaster. But I thought they played one
Speaker 1: of their more complete games last week and they you know,
Speaker 1: it came down to the end against Carolina, but they
Speaker 1: also in that game fumbled the ball at the goal line.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been nearly as close as it may
Speaker 1: have been at the end had that not gone Carolina's way. Still, though,
Speaker 1: despite the turnovers, that was a nice change for Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay to you know, to wreak havoc against the Panthers
Speaker 1: with all the with all the takeaways. But they still
Speaker 1: remain the team that is allowing the highest complacent percentage
Speaker 1: in the league, the highest QB rating and has gone
Speaker 1: and here comes Drew Brees and who was completing his
Speaker 1: passes roughly been better though over the last monthly. Part
Speaker 1: of it is their opponents. But I got back last week,
Speaker 1: and Gerald McCoy came back the week before that. I
Speaker 1: think they flipped the script a little bit MVP of
Speaker 1: that game, and that was I agree with you, that
Speaker 1: was their best game overall. You know, I thought Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston actually played a clear the things should kill him on.
Speaker 1: It was a different time of type of performance from him.
Speaker 1: And so I don't think it's just to go in
Speaker 1: and blow out the Bucks type thing. I don't really
Speaker 1: see much of a home field advantage in Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: at all, and that the road is where maybe you
Speaker 1: can get Drew into Drew Brees is mind, I guess.
Speaker 1: But this isn't like, hey, here's what the Cowboys did,
Speaker 1: let's go copy that formula because we're the Bucks. No yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fall into the regency recency bias trap here.
Speaker 1: The Saints should win by double digits in this game.
Speaker 1: About outcome bias, well that's I mean, yes, I like
Speaker 1: things that actually happened versus things that happened in other
Speaker 1: people's heads. Okay, they should, they should, But but this
Speaker 1: is a tough matchup and some matchups within the division
Speaker 1: because the Bucks have beat them too straight. They beat
Speaker 1: him in Week seventeen last year in a pretty big
Speaker 1: spot for the Saints, and the Saints couldn't get that done.
Speaker 1: That was the game of the century. No, they're not.
Speaker 1: But Dirk Cutters four and three or three and two
Speaker 1: against Sean Payton. I'm just saying they've struggled against the Bucks.
Speaker 1: They lost their one of their losses this year is
Speaker 1: against the Bucks. Should it's outally different team than they were, remember, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I would say the Bucks defense is better and
Speaker 1: if the Bucks can avoid turnovers, which they have the
Speaker 1: last two weeks, and this is a much tougher matchup
Speaker 1: for them, I think the Saints's eyes because of those
Speaker 1: recent results, are wide open that the Bucks are are
Speaker 1: a dangerous team for them. That's all is there? Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's say some division matchups like Dolphins Pats. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: it's just it's insane that Dirk Cutter has a winning record.
Speaker 1: Againstean Paine did also might mean nothing. Is there any
Speaker 1: shot if they ever pulled this upset over New Orleans
Speaker 1: that Dirk Hutter keeps his job? Is there any way
Speaker 1: we move into another year of dirt, if they go
Speaker 1: eight and eight or something, he would have a shot.
Speaker 1: Don't you think. I don't think that's gonna have this
Speaker 1: his uh saying this is if you're listening to the show,
Speaker 1: you're probably aware this is for almost every fantasy league
Speaker 1: the opening of the playoffs, and you're feeling good if
Speaker 1: you got album Kamara because the Bucks get tore up.
Speaker 1: Now McCoy's back, and that's that's important to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: But they are on a really bad streaks seven straight
Speaker 1: games or their opponent has over a hundred yards uh rushing.
Speaker 1: So Camara is set up well to do some death
Speaker 1: and mark Ingram mark Eric is like it is already
Speaker 1: the weekend in my world. What is she doing? She's
Speaker 1: like wiping right back writing in her diary. I'm left, Uh,
Speaker 1: let's putting social up for the broadcast. The New York
Speaker 1: Giants are four and eight. They've won three or four,
Speaker 1: but well, when you start one in seven, it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, or does it. They traveled to d C.
Speaker 1: Landover to be specific, to face the Redskins who are
Speaker 1: skidding their six and six and oh my goodness, Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: They have Alex Smith. He breaks his leg and by
Speaker 1: the way, there's news, not great news. We don't know
Speaker 1: how bad it is, but there was a news today
Speaker 1: that came out that he's dealing with an infection in
Speaker 1: the area of where he suffered that broken leg. It
Speaker 1: was one of those gross injuries where the bone goes
Speaker 1: through the skin, and I think that is complicating things,
Speaker 1: perhaps in a spiral fracture down there. And I do
Speaker 1: remember going back to Tom Brady in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: he had an infection after his surgery. Remember, there was
Speaker 1: a lot about that, and he ended up fine. So
Speaker 1: hopefully the same thing with Alex Smith. It's just a
Speaker 1: part of the recovery process and a little bit of
Speaker 1: a setback, but that's something to keep. By the way,
Speaker 1: he's in a hospital room next to Cult McCoy. I
Speaker 1: mean that to be pretty much a picture of the
Speaker 1: Redskins seas. Yeah, that was part two of this is that?
Speaker 1: Then Colt McCoy two weeks later breaks his leg. Not
Speaker 1: as ghastly an injury, but it ends his season. So
Speaker 1: now it is Mark Sanchez against the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, how you feeling well? I thought about locking
Speaker 1: this up in the giants favor, but I couldn't look
Speaker 1: myself in the mirror. They're a much better team than
Speaker 1: the Redskins are right now with Mark Sanchez and half
Speaker 1: a playbook and their offensive line had another couple of
Speaker 1: injury or that strong. You should be making it rain
Speaker 1: this week because you know it's a pretty close, little,
Speaker 1: uh close little spread. I'm saying, no, we're not. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if he's feeling I annoint you as my rainmaker,
Speaker 1: and um, let's get like Lucinda Williams playing for west
Speaker 1: when he does his rainmaker. I like that Land and
Speaker 1: Collins to I r out for the year. But really,
Speaker 1: what I really want to talk about the lines. Dan
Speaker 1: is the reigning Special Teams Player of the Week, and
Speaker 1: you know that ever since Graham Gano took a turn
Speaker 1: for the worse, there's a vacancy right there at the
Speaker 1: number two spot in the kicker rankings, right behind Justin Tucker.
Speaker 1: And I want to nominate Aldrich Rosas. Built like a linebacker.
Speaker 1: He kicks him from fifty seven, he kicks him from forty,
Speaker 1: He kicks him from anywhere. He'll tackle you on special teams.
Speaker 1: This guy's money and the players and coaches love him
Speaker 1: there and he doesn't miss kicks. Dan just like reclined
Speaker 1: and unbuttoned the top of his pants. Uh. Very nice kicker.
Speaker 1: A guy that's gonna be, you know, in a lost
Speaker 1: year for New York football. Uh, the kickers have been
Speaker 1: good for both the New York teams. Uh, so you
Speaker 1: have that going for you and the kicking the elements.
Speaker 1: I do enjoy the section of the season where Eli,
Speaker 1: Manning out of Spike, continues to ruin the draft picked
Speaker 1: of the man that will replace him. It's like it's
Speaker 1: just like a fun part of the year. Worse and
Speaker 1: he's not as bad as you want him to be.
Speaker 1: And his and he's you know, he has like the Giants,
Speaker 1: he's the twenty three or fourth best. They didn't win
Speaker 1: last week. They're going to regret these I think they're
Speaker 1: going to get their quarterback, and I think there is
Speaker 1: a chance um that they'll keep Elie though in draft
Speaker 1: and draft someone there's a chance. Well, I'm fine as
Speaker 1: long as Part two happens, and not in round three
Speaker 1: and not Kyle Aletta again. Another guy who's gonna stop
Speaker 1: flying off the highway and week getting upset at least
Speaker 1: and running away from cops. And I talked that that's
Speaker 1: how you build around. I talked on her Twitter show
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't get rid of j Gruden, who I
Speaker 1: think has done a good job overall, and it's an
Speaker 1: offensive coach. But by the way, the Redskins defense, which
Speaker 1: has been pretty bad overall, is not that injured, and
Speaker 1: it's still a bad defense as it's been throughout the
Speaker 1: Gruden ea, so he doesn't deserve a pastor that. I
Speaker 1: have a deeply unpopular hot take, especially in this room.
Speaker 1: And it's even a little hard for me to say because, uh,
Speaker 1: because my team's quarterback. But I don't think the Giants
Speaker 1: got their draft pick wrong. Who's the who's the best?
Speaker 1: Not on the that's not unpopular in this room. I
Speaker 1: thought it was. I thought, well, I don't to the
Speaker 1: theory that you have to take a certain position at
Speaker 1: a certain I think that's a mean thing, though I
Speaker 1: would I would rather if I'm a Giants fan, But
Speaker 1: a lot of Giants fans disagree with this, so I
Speaker 1: think and Barkley is having a historic rookie season. I mean,
Speaker 1: Mayfield has been as good as advertised and maybe better
Speaker 1: with Cleveland. Uh they but the Giants didn't have a
Speaker 1: choice to get Mayfield. They took sae Quon Barkley, and
Speaker 1: who knows with Sam Donald or the other rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But what we've seen so far is that Barkley is
Speaker 1: the best case scenario generational superstar talent. I don't think
Speaker 1: they I would just say this, I think you can
Speaker 1: make you can make the differently, if Sam Donald turns
Speaker 1: into who you think, it's so early you almost can't
Speaker 1: say it. So I I think they should have taken
Speaker 1: a quarterback there, Sam, you need time to those it does.
Speaker 1: It looks better now that it did in August, especially
Speaker 1: because they seemed to put the message out there that
Speaker 1: we were in on Baker, but if we couldn't get Baker,
Speaker 1: then we weren't going to take a quarterback. And so
Speaker 1: they thought Baker that there was a significant uh gap
Speaker 1: between him, and if it turns out that they were right,
Speaker 1: then you're right. It also looks better because Darnold's been
Speaker 1: injured for a while and we've forgotten about some of
Speaker 1: his better moments and he's trapped in the Jets offense
Speaker 1: where we have no idea what he One thing that's different,
Speaker 1: which I wrote about on QB Index this week, there
Speaker 1: aren't there many teams that are looking for quarterbacks this offseason,
Speaker 1: so it might not be as hard for them to maneuver.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the draft all of that. It's
Speaker 1: really just the Giants, the Redskins, and the Jaguars that
Speaker 1: I think are like, absolutely desperate, and the Giants have
Speaker 1: the worst record of those and I have the same
Speaker 1: as as where I grew up in. One of the
Speaker 1: frustrations of growing up as a Jets fan in Giants Country,
Speaker 1: which is what uh uh. The neighborhood and in the
Speaker 1: town I grew up in, was all Giants fans. They
Speaker 1: see they usually seem to get it right, and it
Speaker 1: would get me so mad that the Giants always seemed
Speaker 1: to make the right decisions and the Jets always mess
Speaker 1: it up. So we'll see maybe they won't get a
Speaker 1: quarterback and it will be an abyss there for a decade.
Speaker 1: But let's see how it plays. Barkley is one of
Speaker 1: four running backs right now on pace for two thousand
Speaker 1: yards from Scrimma there that that's never happened, I don't think,
Speaker 1: and it's ever been three even Girly Zeke, McCaffrey and
Speaker 1: s Quan. Let's move on the Cincinnati Bengals or five
Speaker 1: and seven? Uh, they went into their buy at five
Speaker 1: and three and they've lost every game since. And then
Speaker 1: now they traveled to the stub Hub Center, it might
Speaker 1: get loud. Hey, we might actually have a majority Chargers
Speaker 1: fans at the StubHub Center because who from Cincinnati has
Speaker 1: traveled to see this Bengals team? Greg Or? It could
Speaker 1: they could be masquerading his empty seats, but they they
Speaker 1: they're not even showing up in Cincinnati, those Bengals fans,
Speaker 1: and why would they? This is a dead team walking.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about these these Chargers. We we did
Speaker 1: the Sunday night game last week and we enjoyed. But
Speaker 1: one thing I don't think we really talked about during
Speaker 1: the recap was in a season full of special Derwin
Speaker 1: James Games. I mean that was a great statement for
Speaker 1: defensive Rookie of the Year. I thought that was his
Speaker 1: best game of the year. He did a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. And competition. Darius Leonard, Layton Vanderis Bradley Chubb
Speaker 1: to in this lander. Vanders is rugged downhill thumping linebacker
Speaker 1: who sits atop an Eric list for defensive Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year. Tall drink of water, shot up. I'm doing
Speaker 1: something football related that was amazing to me. It's Derwin
Speaker 1: jameson Vanderish are the two? Oh? Come on, you cannot
Speaker 1: leave Darius Leonard out of the conversation. Conversation Tell me
Speaker 1: why how you doing? Tell me why? Tell me why?
Speaker 1: He leads the Naville tackles, He leads all these linebackers
Speaker 1: and sacks. He leads them all in big plays. How
Speaker 1: can he not be in the discussion? Down, Greg, go back,
Speaker 1: Adam Harder, Let's go to the lab. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: How can you just take a guy out because you
Speaker 1: don't think he could be in it? But you only
Speaker 1: get one vote? And in my heart in mind, these
Speaker 1: two are among the best that their positions, rookie or not.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure I would pute I wouldn't put
Speaker 1: Leonard there. Why? Okay, I don't really know. Is Greg's
Speaker 1: still in the wedding party now? Yeah, just like what
Speaker 1: you can't just remove a good player because you don't
Speaker 1: watch or something. I don't know. I mean, I watched
Speaker 1: the Cults every week. To me, okay, he's been great.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's been as big of an like
Speaker 1: first team all probably type of difference maker that Derwin
Speaker 1: James has been in. Vander Esh has been a shooting star.
Speaker 1: It's only been five or six games, but he hasn't
Speaker 1: been at that level. And there Darius Leonard's been at
Speaker 1: Vanderesh's level all year. It's just Vanderesh who's catching up. Now,
Speaker 1: I would disagree, Yoma Vendor. I mean, I love Vanderesh
Speaker 1: as much as anyone, but you know that is what
Speaker 1: you're doing to Darius Leonard isn't right? That's that's that's
Speaker 1: fair prediction. Chargers win that. I think that's the star
Speaker 1: of the game. Guy that we liked a lot last
Speaker 1: week will be Justin Jackson on offense. But I predict
Speaker 1: a Joey Bosa explosion. Get the case with this win,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't lose get without losing this game, and we can.
Speaker 1: Everyone is He's gonna Jeff Triscoll about five or six
Speaker 1: times everywhere. Everyone's patting the Chargers on the helmet as
Speaker 1: they as they should after that great comeback in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: but not do not do the Chargers thing and below
Speaker 1: this game going to call a business. No, Green haven't
Speaker 1: done school. I'm a little worried long term about their
Speaker 1: offensive line, but their matchups coming up, it might not
Speaker 1: hurt them. They're they're starting to look a little more
Speaker 1: like those old Chargers offensive lines. Once upon a time,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling fell in love with the Colts. That affair
Speaker 1: is over. He is now in bed with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's not true anymore either, because Emmanuel Sanders
Speaker 1: blew as Achilles in practice yesterday. I wasn't in bed
Speaker 1: with the Broncos. Since now it's just like him and
Speaker 1: it's just him and Darius Leonard under the sheets having
Speaker 1: a conversation. You're in my conversation those middle school relations
Speaker 1: for like three or four weeks, and you feel like
Speaker 1: you've had like a real love affair. This is it
Speaker 1: is one of you know, we know each other so
Speaker 1: well by now when Greg's a little bit annoyed about
Speaker 1: forty five seconds and two minute passes, and then he'll
Speaker 1: come back at you with oh he was in his
Speaker 1: his head was the brain was working on how to
Speaker 1: come back, how like unseat Westlings And yeah, just trying
Speaker 1: to get the last word because I'm a jerk. The
Speaker 1: Broncos anyway, six and six. But yes, the Sanders news,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it because the forty Niners are
Speaker 1: playing out the string. As we discussed on Wednesday's podcast,
Speaker 1: the Emmanuel Sanders injury is not uh, but I do
Speaker 1: think since all that vance, Joseph is is under fire business.
Speaker 1: Right before that Cardinals epic blow out over the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: they lost to the Chiefs by its touchdown. They lost
Speaker 1: to the Texans by two points on the last second
Speaker 1: missfield goal. They knocked out the Steelers and Chargers and
Speaker 1: shredded the Bengals and Cardinals. And I feel like, if
Speaker 1: you're John Elway, or if you guys for John Elway,
Speaker 1: would you keep fans Joseph or not? Is that doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with the coaching being improved or
Speaker 1: is it No, this cannot work. We have got to
Speaker 1: move on. Then the last month of the season has
Speaker 1: to play out in order to say that if they
Speaker 1: create or if they just fed, the season magically ended
Speaker 1: today and you had to make the decision today. I
Speaker 1: don't know, because he's done a good job getting the
Speaker 1: defense to turn around, but his his strategy at the
Speaker 1: end of halves and at the end of games is
Speaker 1: so bad that that I don't know. It seems to
Speaker 1: kill him with the decision almost every week. And when
Speaker 1: fifth and D v O A. Right now, the Broncos are,
Speaker 1: which is wild like that, and there's a decent amount
Speaker 1: of a decent gap between them and the next group,
Speaker 1: which is the Steelers, Bears, and Patriots. So they have
Speaker 1: been to your point, they've played good teams tight, they've
Speaker 1: been unlucky with injuries. I mean, they're missing three fists
Speaker 1: of their offensive line. I do think, though, this is
Speaker 1: a matchup where it is fair to criticize John Elway
Speaker 1: because the man that he most strongly considered for that job,
Speaker 1: other than Vance Joseph or at least thought about it,
Speaker 1: was on the other sideline, Kyle Shanahan, and I think
Speaker 1: that would have been the way to go, And there
Speaker 1: was some thought that Kyle Shanahan is gonna want to
Speaker 1: do things his way and have a little too much
Speaker 1: say in personnel, and Elway didn't want to give up
Speaker 1: that control. A lot of hirings are made that way,
Speaker 1: trying to preserve your own power. But maybe that's not
Speaker 1: what's right for the whole organizations. Regrets for John. Let's
Speaker 1: move on the Detroit Lions four and eight. Uh, they've
Speaker 1: lost five of six. Uh. They traveled to Arizona to
Speaker 1: face the Cardinals. Got that win in Green Bay last
Speaker 1: week probably helps Steve Wilkes, Chris Wesling. It definitely helps
Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes. Who's who? Who probably is the leading one
Speaker 1: and done contender at head coach in the league. But
Speaker 1: these are two rookie head coaches that have struggled in
Speaker 1: their first years. Yeah, good luck guessing who's going to
Speaker 1: score in this game. The Lions loan touchdown last week
Speaker 1: came on a coverage bust where Levine to Loilo set
Speaker 1: up a tackle eligible touchdown to left tackle Taylor Decker.
Speaker 1: That was the Lions offense last week. The Cardinals offense
Speaker 1: was Josh Rosen with happy feet behind an offensive line
Speaker 1: that has five players on I R one release and
Speaker 1: another one not playing because he's injured. They're basically playing
Speaker 1: two rookies and three cast offs on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: These are two of the worst offenses in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and I imagine Dr Rainmaker might think it's gonna there's
Speaker 1: gonna be drought conditions in this game. I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure what that means in the context of no offense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no rain coming. I thought I would. I
Speaker 1: would take the lines on the road. People come down.
Speaker 1: Dr Rainmaker, ever consider unders? I don't know, doctor, that
Speaker 1: is an aspect of what you're what you're all involved
Speaker 1: in here, your wagering, endless wagering. Mark. You sound like
Speaker 1: you had a final thought on this game. Well, I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more with the West that I thought the
Speaker 1: Lions defense gave the Rams trouble and Jared Goff trouble
Speaker 1: early on, but they couldn't get out of their own way.
Speaker 1: They were two for eleven on third down. Awful, awful
Speaker 1: watch job a third down by the Lions last week?
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, but no, it's it's a fact.
Speaker 1: It's good to get that final point in um before
Speaker 1: we struggling over the last couple of semes before we
Speaker 1: hit the home stretch of today's show, I did want
Speaker 1: to do a little housekeeping on the show. It sometimes
Speaker 1: the Thursday show, it's tough, and then really the schedule
Speaker 1: of this podcast is tough because we don't get time
Speaker 1: to take care of some things. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that we need to take care of, because I
Speaker 1: think it's only fair he has reached out to Davially
Speaker 1: because he came on this podcast multiple times in fact,
Speaker 1: and pitched himself as the best man. And on Wednesday's show,
Speaker 1: not only did he not Um was not Enum among
Speaker 1: the people named as groomsman, as is the case for myself,
Speaker 1: Greg and Mark, we also learned the best man has
Speaker 1: been selected. I don't know if that's public, but I
Speaker 1: can tell you that it's not Davially. Davially not in
Speaker 1: the wedding party, So we should speak with him on
Speaker 1: that subject. Is that all right with us? I think
Speaker 1: he deserves the forum at the very least. Let's let's
Speaker 1: style him up. Erica. I got a call down to
Speaker 1: the news NFL David, Hey, how's it going. Uh? Um,
Speaker 1: it's going fine. Actually, Um, I know what this is about,
Speaker 1: and I have a speech prepared UM, so, if you
Speaker 1: don't mind, I'd like just to get my statements out
Speaker 1: of the way first and setting this up, I said,
Speaker 1: it's only fair that you do get this forum because
Speaker 1: obviously this is a crushing personal setback. Go ahead the latest.
Speaker 1: Earlier today, I congratulated Lakisha and West and offered to
Speaker 1: work with them on behalf of our country. I hope
Speaker 1: that was his best man will be successful best man
Speaker 1: for all Americans. This is not the outcome I wanted
Speaker 1: or we worked so hard for, and I'm sorry we
Speaker 1: did not win this competition for the values we share
Speaker 1: and the vision we hold for West and Lakisha's wedding.
Speaker 1: I know how disappointed you feel because I've of the
Speaker 1: two and to do maybe five other people on Twitter
Speaker 1: who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. This
Speaker 1: is painful and it will be for a long time,
Speaker 1: but I want you to remember this. My campaign was
Speaker 1: never about one person or even one wedding. It was
Speaker 1: about the country we love and sparkling rose for any
Speaker 1: in all occasions. A famous person once said, it sucks
Speaker 1: not to be What's his best Man, but it was
Speaker 1: an honor to be considered, even if it only has
Speaker 1: a bit for a podcast and then that quote that
Speaker 1: gives me solids right now. May God bless you and
Speaker 1: may God bless the Around the NFL podcast. God, I
Speaker 1: wish we had a leader like you, Dave, that was
Speaker 1: sitting in the big chair. That was sort of like
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy esque performance by David Eally, like Bobby Kennedy,
Speaker 1: like at the end of a long night. My takeaway
Speaker 1: from this is I've seen Dave leadership up close and personal.
Speaker 1: It's something to behold. And for that reason, I am
Speaker 1: not surprised that he had four people along with him
Speaker 1: on Twitter for this, for this venture, I'm impressed that
Speaker 1: you've got four people. The Dave really hive runs deeper. Well.
Speaker 1: I I would consider myself maybe a sixth in this,
Speaker 1: uh not to you know, make probably there, okay, a
Speaker 1: seventh with you, with you, Dan and Mark, because I
Speaker 1: think people forgot early on. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: best man talk, but I took um. I got involved
Speaker 1: in another conversation. I was taking plus three fifty. He
Speaker 1: doesn't even get invited, And I mean, are we do
Speaker 1: we have a do we have a resolution on that?
Speaker 1: We don't have a resolution. I'm not good. I'm not
Speaker 1: done with the save debates. Those odds are dropping. Really,
Speaker 1: I would try to get there as someone's date. Well that,
Speaker 1: I mean that brings up another question because you just
Speaker 1: you look at at the Setbax for Dave. I mean
Speaker 1: you look at the college sweetheart and she left him behind,
Speaker 1: and then Cam Newton and the Panthers, the bed in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl camp gives up in that game. They've
Speaker 1: never been the same, And then you just have to wonder,
Speaker 1: after this latest setback, at what point, what does Charlie
Speaker 1: Brown kick the football? Is that from? That? Is that phetorical?
Speaker 1: Are you asking me no? But it's like if your
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend that dumped you, really, if she invited you
Speaker 1: to her wedding, would you go? I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like you would say no and wouldn't be the same
Speaker 1: way with West wanted would be too hard to see
Speaker 1: him up there at the altar um. I mean that
Speaker 1: think slightly different circumstances. All right, it would, um, she
Speaker 1: really hurt you, that's true. I mean, all right, Dave,
Speaker 1: you gotta wrap this up. The pain with this one
Speaker 1: is more fresh though. Yeah, it's it's like ripping off
Speaker 1: a band aid. It does bear the whiff of what
Speaker 1: happened with you and her though I guess so, I
Speaker 1: mean it. You are the expert there. All right. We
Speaker 1: love you, Dave hanging there and hopefully you do end
Speaker 1: up on that invite list. All right, Well, be checking
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Speaker 1: I was so amazed by that performance. I had to
Speaker 1: go back and watch it, and they're like, there's nothing
Speaker 1: magical about it. This is Rod Marinelli's vision come to life,
Speaker 1: which is not a fancy It's not an offense where
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat the opponent with scheme, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: it with fundamentals, you're gonna do it with filling gaps
Speaker 1: with clean with all eleven guys like flying to the ball.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just late in vander Esh although there was
Speaker 1: one play that was amazing where it was a total
Speaker 1: busted coverage. He knew it before the snapp He was
Speaker 1: trying to tell his his teammates. No one knew, and
Speaker 1: so he just filled the gap on the other side
Speaker 1: of the field by himself. I mean, Alvin Kamarra could
Speaker 1: not get to the outside against this guy. He's incredible.
Speaker 1: But it was all eleven guys. Noah Brown had a
Speaker 1: great game, Byron Jones had a great game. De Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence eight, Ryan ramcheck for lunch. That's a potential All
Speaker 1: Pro what he wasn't picking on the other side of
Speaker 1: uh tackle. So it's everyone playing well. And I just
Speaker 1: can't believe that they're gonna give up more than sixteen
Speaker 1: points to this lackluster Eagles offense, and I feel like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will finally. How are you feeling about Rodner
Speaker 1: and ellis Assistant Coach of the Year Honoree. Well. I
Speaker 1: heard on the broadcast last week that Chris Richard is
Speaker 1: the one who actually calls the defensive plays on the
Speaker 1: broadcast Erica's podcast, on the actual NFL broadcast of the game,
Speaker 1: he is getting eve getting some uh some love. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so that that's a good Well, So, I think the
Speaker 1: answer is Rod Marinellius not even in the running, not
Speaker 1: even close. But here's the thing. You've watched this defense
Speaker 1: for seven years. They kind of play the same way
Speaker 1: every year, and this is what he's counting on your
Speaker 1: county on good like great players to kind of play free.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't look like Sean Lee is gonna be
Speaker 1: back for this game, but I don't think they need him. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles offense there's some real improvement there
Speaker 1: with Josh Adams and Golden Tape had his best game
Speaker 1: by far. Yep. That's why I don't know about Camu
Speaker 1: Grugier's Hills defense. And I don't know who this guy
Speaker 1: is to be calling Zekiel Elliott and de Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith chokers. Well, you know what, Camu Grugier Hill,
Speaker 1: I'm blocking it up. Cowboys win. Take that nice lock up.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Cowboys as well, And now
Speaker 1: I feel even better about it, because then I can't
Speaker 1: make up a game. I gotta make up a game
Speaker 1: on you. I looked at this and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, all three guys might lock this game up.
Speaker 1: It feels Mark was saying he likes the Eagles in
Speaker 1: I almost locked the Eagles, not because I think they're better.
Speaker 1: I just think that this is how to see is
Speaker 1: and works out. Sometimes there's no reason the Eagles couldn't
Speaker 1: win like a seventeen to sixteen type game. They haven't
Speaker 1: put together the complete performance yet. And I guess as
Speaker 1: someone and maybe I'm almost acting like a fan here
Speaker 1: because I want the Eagles to be good, and I've
Speaker 1: been so I've been frustrated watching it week after waiting
Speaker 1: for that complete perform, even from the offense last week.
Speaker 1: That was a little disappointing. What that the weekends for.
Speaker 1: I know they came out on the second half, but
Speaker 1: I have not seen the complete game during the two games.
Speaker 1: But if you if you did want to make the
Speaker 1: argument for them, you know the weakness is absolutely in
Speaker 1: the secondary, which is still really banged up, really in
Speaker 1: the back seven, and and do the Cowboys have the mindset,
Speaker 1: in the in the talent to take advantage of that. Well,
Speaker 1: sometimes the secondary affects the run game. When you blow
Speaker 1: assignments and an Adrian Peterson goes for ninety yards, this
Speaker 1: would be an epic lock up. I'm very tempted, but
Speaker 1: I think that there will be an epic lock up
Speaker 1: down the line. Very exciting East podcast there. Let's move
Speaker 1: on to Pittsburgh Steelers seven four and one, uh licking
Speaker 1: their wounds a little bit, uh after two straight losses,
Speaker 1: including that uh meltdown, unprecedented meltdown in the history of
Speaker 1: that team in the second half. I think they had
Speaker 1: won straight games when they were up by the amount
Speaker 1: of points they were against the Chargers sixteen and then
Speaker 1: and the Chargers came back and got him. Well, here's
Speaker 1: a nice recipe to get healthy. Go well, you gotta
Speaker 1: fly across the country and Pittsburgh doesn't travel. Well. It's
Speaker 1: one of those weird stats. But still Mark, it's the
Speaker 1: Raiders and they stink. Oh, I mean this, there would
Speaker 1: be there would be no excuse for Pittsburgh to lose
Speaker 1: this con that's not an excuse. This is a Raiders
Speaker 1: defense that's given up forty two, forty and thirty four
Speaker 1: points twice over the past five or six weeks. Derek
Speaker 1: Carr is getting killed. They put they did some okay
Speaker 1: stuff against the Chiefs, but they also can't get out
Speaker 1: of their own way. We talked about the three fumbles
Speaker 1: by three different running backs, which was a killer in
Speaker 1: that game. I still never felt for any minute that
Speaker 1: they were gonna have any chance to be in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: So the Steelers get right in a messy, sexy blood
Speaker 1: bath in Oakland. You love those blowouts. That was, I
Speaker 1: like a nice, gigantic blow out here, like a nice
Speaker 1: I don't know if that you're gonna get that, but
Speaker 1: something like thirty five to three. That was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite, like Nick Mullins reprisals, favorite showtime, you know,
Speaker 1: Originals back in the early nineties. Sexy, messy blood bath.
Speaker 1: Bring it on. Any other thoughts about this game? Gentleman
Speaker 1: Jalen Samuels, who had more catches than carries in college,
Speaker 1: is expected to start at running back with Stephen Ridley
Speaker 1: in the mix. Evan Silva from Rhoda World compared Jalen
Speaker 1: Samuels to Marcel Reese, the former Raiders like fullback slash
Speaker 1: h back. Mark Davis once called the one player that
Speaker 1: they were building around the franchise building blow. I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about no, not at all. I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: the Steelers at all. They're still really good up front
Speaker 1: and ball sides. Both of the last two games have
Speaker 1: been a little flukey in what's happened. I will say
Speaker 1: that Doug Mark and even Jalen Reshard to It's like
Speaker 1: my guilty pleasure right now is watching old Dougie. I've
Speaker 1: always liked, not kind of well, I'm I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm always biased. I like his style and everything. He's
Speaker 1: run pretty well last couple of weeks Dougie Martin and
Speaker 1: John Gorden says he wants him back next year. Have
Speaker 1: our fetishes enjoy and the two losses have killed the
Speaker 1: Steelers who are trying to get um a buy in
Speaker 1: a home game. They gotta win out to get to
Speaker 1: eleven and four and get help, and they can't help
Speaker 1: themselves a little bit if they could beat the Patriots.
Speaker 1: But even even if they went out eleven and four
Speaker 1: and eleven four and one might not be good enough.
Speaker 1: With the Chiefs, the Chargers and the Pats all and
Speaker 1: the Texans. Yeah, and the Texans. Excuse me, So we'll
Speaker 1: see how that plays out. But they should get to
Speaker 1: eight four and one. Let's move on the Rams. They've
Speaker 1: lost just once this season. They're eleven and one. Uh
Speaker 1: and this, gentleman, oh, this is good. This is Sunday
Speaker 1: Night football, Chris Westling. This is the two thousand seventeen
Speaker 1: team of a t L against the two thousand eighteen teams.
Speaker 1: Time of it all mits Trabinsky and not a moment
Speaker 1: too soon. Was is gonna be back on the field
Speaker 1: for the Bears. Oh you said that right, because they
Speaker 1: need him. You had to throw out last week's game
Speaker 1: for evaluation purposes. Chase Daniel's offense looked like Matt Castle.
Speaker 1: The defense had had no respect for anything going on
Speaker 1: beyond ten yards or whatsoever. He can't really do much
Speaker 1: other than the wheel route to Tariko and uh. You
Speaker 1: get Trabinsky back and that opens up the whole field.
Speaker 1: He is one of the most aggressive downfield throwers this year.
Speaker 1: His running is a lot better than Chase Daniel. This
Speaker 1: is a good matchup. And Jared Goff, coming off his
Speaker 1: worst game of the season, now facing an even better defense.
Speaker 1: Is there any concern about golf and the Rams offense?
Speaker 1: That was one of the more mystifying performances. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know once I once I got a chance to see
Speaker 1: it ran on Sunday night, and I can and I
Speaker 1: and I think it probably understand he wasn't taken too
Speaker 1: seriously because the final score two. But they really did
Speaker 1: get to golf in the first half. Then that that
Speaker 1: the wheels fell off the lines defense in the fourth quarter. There.
Speaker 1: H Well, it's not like this is a theme for
Speaker 1: the last few games or something. It's just a one
Speaker 1: game thing. So I know, until I see it happened
Speaker 1: more than once. It was just interesting kind of coming
Speaker 1: off of Bye. I thought they'd play well. They also didn't.
Speaker 1: Who knows. They've tried different strategies in terms of not
Speaker 1: practicing practically at all for two straight weeks. Maybe that
Speaker 1: hurt them. Who knows, that is an interesting strategy. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't practice during the whole by and
Speaker 1: then leading up to the Lions game nearly as much
Speaker 1: as like most film. But yeah, they were. They were
Speaker 1: meeting and doing all that stuff. But they've had a
Speaker 1: lot of different ideas and for the most part. You
Speaker 1: know it's worked, but this is I mean, this is
Speaker 1: as good in eleven on eleven match because you can
Speaker 1: have because the Rams barely substitute the Bears barely substitute.
Speaker 1: They have guys who just know what they're doing and
Speaker 1: play the Bears defense and the Rams offense about as
Speaker 1: well cohesively as a group as any and they're gonna
Speaker 1: be going up against each other. We gotta start this
Speaker 1: podcast early so we can watch this thing. I think
Speaker 1: that the idea that's Dante Faller trade is starting to
Speaker 1: look good for the Rams. I thought he had the
Speaker 1: best game of his career last week. I sacked two stuffs,
Speaker 1: two tackles for loss. I mean, this guy was all
Speaker 1: over the line of scrimmage. Like you need the Rams
Speaker 1: to play and their their offensive line has been really
Speaker 1: great this year. The game of the year, and then
Speaker 1: they'll take care of business and the other thoughts on
Speaker 1: this match. Let's pick this game, Mark Rams, you know,
Speaker 1: nail biter. I think like a twenty five to twenty
Speaker 1: two type game. Yeah, I hate picking against the team
Speaker 1: of at L, but I have picked the Rams every
Speaker 1: time I've been asked to pick a Rams game. This year,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, continue that. I just trust their coaching staff.
Speaker 1: You're one. Yeah, I think I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a close game. I think we're all on the same
Speaker 1: page on this, and I think the Rams are gonna
Speaker 1: rip out Chicago's heart at the end. Uh, let's call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I was, I wasn't even I wasn't even sure
Speaker 1: and listening to listening to you guys do it. It's
Speaker 1: tough that we don't actually believe in the team of eight. Oh,
Speaker 1: I believe in them as a team. I told you
Speaker 1: this is the best favorite there and I hate, I
Speaker 1: hate to do it, but I do think they're that
Speaker 1: a super Bowl team in Los Angeles. And even though
Speaker 1: like my uncle Dr IRV Miller is going to be there,
Speaker 1: you know, rooting on the Bears, there's another doctor in session.
Speaker 1: It's Dr Rainmakers going for the Ram. We gotta make
Speaker 1: an odd number. You got me thinking, who needs one
Speaker 1: and one? You gotta have one? All right? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean one would also suffice. That would be just trying
Speaker 1: to guarantee at least one win. So now I yelling
Speaker 1: it just be on the heat. I'm loving it. I
Speaker 1: feel good. It's like a long process. It's kind of
Speaker 1: problem if you're if you're gonna if you're gonna jump
Speaker 1: on board. It's eat enough about fourteen minutes of this episode,
Speaker 1: which is bloating its way towards like eighty nine minutes
Speaker 1: at this point. That's not far off, by the way.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite uh sages in this week's research
Speaker 1: notes that we get handed out internally is a section
Speaker 1: titled tarik on fleek? Nice Cohen, Who's uh to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on? Factually on fleet? Like? Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: think like, who is really on top of, you know,
Speaker 1: trends in terms of like being young and cool, it's
Speaker 1: our research department. Wait, didn't see that shot? Waited jump
Speaker 1: on fleek? Whoa time? Alright? Finally Monday night Football? Sorry research?
Speaker 1: You kid? You kid? Who you love? You know? Jeff
Speaker 1: Greenholtz listens to our show religiously, We love you most
Speaker 1: Office of Video will send it out from the NFL's account.
Speaker 1: See how this goes. Sorry, Jeff, Jeff did not come
Speaker 1: up with the on fleek line. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that that's probably but you know what I say. It's like,
Speaker 1: if you burn all your bridges, no one can touch
Speaker 1: you. You You also, can you either you know what did
Speaker 1: you say? Don't say that. I've heard that. I just
Speaker 1: made it up. I love it. It's alright. Finally, the
Speaker 1: Viking six by in one. Couldn't They just didn't step
Speaker 1: up to the plate against that. That's simple as that.
Speaker 1: That's how I break that down. That Sunday night game
Speaker 1: was a big stage for that Vikings team and they
Speaker 1: didn't get it done. They lose. Now they travel to
Speaker 1: Seattle and this is a tough ask. It's a tough
Speaker 1: ask Greg for the Vikings, who can enter the season
Speaker 1: with a lot a lot of optimism and the belief
Speaker 1: that they had the quarterback and they had the rest
Speaker 1: of the team to get over the hub. Well, if
Speaker 1: you don't win this game, you're a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 1: You are in. And for a team that had Super
Speaker 1: Bowl hopes, you have to kind of look in the
Speaker 1: mirror and really understand that you've made no progress throughout
Speaker 1: the year. You've looked like a eight and eight type
Speaker 1: of team for the most part, and that it's not
Speaker 1: headed in the right direction. Because last week in New
Speaker 1: England they got out schemed. They turned Kirk Cousins into
Speaker 1: a check down master, and you're going up to Seattle
Speaker 1: at lea yeah, I mean the four or five yards
Speaker 1: and you're going up to Seattle. It's not a great defense.
Speaker 1: But I actually think they could have some trouble with
Speaker 1: the Seahawks off right now. The Seahawks offense, to me,
Speaker 1: is better than the Seahawks defense. So you can flip
Speaker 1: whatever you thought about this team coming into the year.
Speaker 1: They're an efficient team on offense that can make big plays.
Speaker 1: That's just got a defense that's okay. They really miss
Speaker 1: kJ right. They will get Michael Kendricks back this week,
Speaker 1: back from insider trading. That's never j thirty years. Someone's
Speaker 1: got the story. Did he go to jail and he's
Speaker 1: out or with the jail he got he got a
Speaker 1: prison sentence, like a sturdy prison, just suspension. I think
Speaker 1: it got suspended suspension. I mean I hope that's the case.
Speaker 1: I think that it takes a little weird when these
Speaker 1: guys get buried for the insider trading. I get that
Speaker 1: it it's messing with the financial system of our country
Speaker 1: and it's very tricky business. But it's like a guy
Speaker 1: cheats on his taxes and then he gets sent to
Speaker 1: the pokey for like fourteen years and it's like, let's
Speaker 1: calm down a little bit, come back to US justice system.
Speaker 1: I like the idea that you think that the justice
Speaker 1: system wrapped this case up in like ten days before
Speaker 1: he was It's gonna take like month now he was.
Speaker 1: Now he was guilty though, I mean that was why
Speaker 1: they suspended him. He pled guilty and I were not
Speaker 1: aware of the details. I mean, yeah, we are waiting
Speaker 1: into territory. You can find out. But clearly he's not
Speaker 1: in jail. He's gotta be on the field and they
Speaker 1: need him because they got a little too much often
Speaker 1: coll Etra. They got a little too much County on
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner to do everything. I do think they're vulnerable
Speaker 1: if they played a good offense. I don't think the VIC.
Speaker 1: I do know nothing about financial district and inside of
Speaker 1: training business, but I do know something that the Vikings.
Speaker 1: You run out of time to tell us that you're
Speaker 1: something more than you are. You're about to go six
Speaker 1: six and one, which is fitting because that's the record
Speaker 1: that you own. Because the Seattle Seahawks are gonna lock
Speaker 1: it up for me, right And I said, allows you
Speaker 1: to duck out of the Sunday business as well. That
Speaker 1: is my new trend. Yes, Um, a little update on Kendricks.
Speaker 1: He's facing up to twenty five years in prison, but
Speaker 1: he will most likely this from this came from Adam
Speaker 1: Schefter more likely to serve thirty to thirty seven months.
Speaker 1: But he's not being sentenced still January. So he's going
Speaker 1: to the slammer. Uh. My analysis was totally wrong. It's
Speaker 1: just a matter of time. Next month, he's going to
Speaker 1: prison for two to three years. Greg. I know you
Speaker 1: were on on the other side of the field from
Speaker 1: his brother this week. I know you were on the
Speaker 1: broadcast last night. I'm sure West and Dan will be
Speaker 1: set the show like the Game in America and Emma
Speaker 1: the broadcast broadcast. I you listened to the one that
Speaker 1: I was on. I believe or you did not. Who knows.
Speaker 1: You can pretend you did. But which episode do you
Speaker 1: think went better? Which episode was more entertaining to the listener?
Speaker 1: I would say year years. I would always take you
Speaker 1: as like you're kind of that guest that everyone wants you,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna come in. You're gonna be a little
Speaker 1: out of left Fiel. You're gonna bring your own little
Speaker 1: temperature it's gonna be great. Mark changes the temperature of
Speaker 1: the room. And that was a very organic question that
Speaker 1: I came up with on my own America. Who who
Speaker 1: did better? Just be honest, be totally honest. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a it's not a judging thing. Who.
Speaker 1: You'll have to listen and let me know, will you
Speaker 1: tell me after the show? Dan? Dan would rather, you know,
Speaker 1: go see like the latest period drama then listen to
Speaker 1: either one of them. I texted Dan to ask him
Speaker 1: if he wanted to come on, and he just ghosted.
Speaker 1: He didn't even text him back. That was a mistake,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry about that, and I apologized for that,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that was fair for you to
Speaker 1: bring that up again. I'm sorry. All Right, we gotta
Speaker 1: get out of here. This is a ridiculously long show.
Speaker 1: Um great stuff, though I know how we could shorten it.
Speaker 1: People love it and uh west oh yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: the only little added. I love your twenty five minute
Speaker 1: plus segment. That's that's that's started in the episodes. It's
Speaker 1: like twenty seconds, you know. I like that. You thought
Speaker 1: I was the one you had to worry about with
Speaker 1: the race Yeah, that's true, but we're gonna ask quiet story.
Speaker 1: I'm out of time, alright, mail Man, the Old Boss
Speaker 1: and Ricky Hollywood behind the class closest to West me
Speaker 1: wedding day till Sunday night. M