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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast, a special edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hands. I'm joined in
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Cessler, Chris Westling and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenhal. What is up, boys, Dan? And Well we
Speaker 1: talked about on Sunday Show, and check out the week
Speaker 1: seventeen recap that we rolled out late last night for
Speaker 1: the latest in the NFL, uh in terms of the games.
Speaker 1: But what we're talking about today is listen. Internally, it's
Speaker 1: been told stay away from Black Monday. Don't use the term.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of sensitive issue. Oh that's right.
Speaker 1: But even um I mentioned that this is a special episode. Mark,
Speaker 1: you told me on Sunday Show. Special maybe not the
Speaker 1: word to use in the circumstances. Dog Mark wouldn't see.
Speaker 1: So let me just you know, say we and we
Speaker 1: coined this on our Twitter show, which you could also
Speaker 1: check out a lot of content. But this is not
Speaker 1: our Black Monday podcast, Greg, it is our New Horizons
Speaker 1: Past New Horizons Monday. It feels like I'm being sent
Speaker 1: away against the actually a new a new UM podcast
Speaker 1: that we're starting called the New Horizons Podcast, another revenue stream,
Speaker 1: more advertisers, and we're going to explore the mind and
Speaker 1: the body. So yes, this is something of a mini
Speaker 1: pod or we seek seek to have it be a
Speaker 1: little shorter than a typical pod. But what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do is spin through each of the teams that are
Speaker 1: involved with comings and goings uh in the big chair,
Speaker 1: UM and talk about what what's the latest as of Monday, UM,
Speaker 1: mid afternoon here on the West Coast. Also at the
Speaker 1: end of the show, UM, we will throw it to
Speaker 1: a good back and forth conversation we had with NFL
Speaker 1: Networks Mike Kara Folo on our Twitter show when we
Speaker 1: talked about UH, some teams, some vacancies, a little talk
Speaker 1: about Nick Foles. He's at the Eagles facility, Uh, Mike.
Speaker 1: So that will come up a little later in the show.
Speaker 1: But let's get to it. Let's stag in right now
Speaker 1: and start with the news that West we thought really
Speaker 1: would never come because of the way the the organization operates, UM.
Speaker 1: And frankly the reports ahead of time that UM, the
Speaker 1: Bengals were leaving it up to Marvin Lewis whether he
Speaker 1: wanted to return for what is it? A well, Marvin
Speaker 1: Lewis is an idee season? Is that what it would
Speaker 1: have been? That was what was out there? And then
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and there it is. Marvin
Speaker 1: Lewis and the Bengals decide uh mutually to move on
Speaker 1: once and for all, after sixteen years no playoff wins,
Speaker 1: a conscious uncoupling. You could call it Mark Seler Apple
Speaker 1: uh minus Apple West, Marvin Lewis and the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 1: once and finally no more. Well, as Solomon Wilcots once
Speaker 1: told you, for your pain, rankings are cool. Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: raised the Titanic in Cincinnati. I think newer football fans
Speaker 1: would not believe how sunk this Bengals franchise was before
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis arrived. The previous coaches under Mike Brown from
Speaker 1: two thousand three had a winning percentage of to seventy.
Speaker 1: That is almost unprecedented, maybe unprecedented. This is this not
Speaker 1: even a good batting average in baseball. This organization is
Speaker 1: sort of a vanishing breed as a family run operation
Speaker 1: in a business that hopes to be breaking in billion
Speaker 1: annually by two thousand seven. No one. This is unique
Speaker 1: to the Bengals. No one knows the organizational structure. You
Speaker 1: can't say that about any of the other thirty one
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. No one really knows who's calling
Speaker 1: the shots and what shots are being called, and what
Speaker 1: sort of the flow chart is there. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why that's one of the reasons why Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: stuck around for so long. He had a lot of
Speaker 1: influence in the draft room, a lot more than most
Speaker 1: coaches do. And I think that that organization has not
Speaker 1: been confident they could find an upgrade on Marvin Lewis. Well.
Speaker 1: He he rebuilt them. It was one of the great
Speaker 1: rebuilding jobs of the last decade and it's unfortunate they
Speaker 1: couldn't get over the hump to just win one playoff
Speaker 1: game to get that off their back, because I love
Speaker 1: those mid two thousands Bengals teams. They were fun to
Speaker 1: watch and what you're talked about with the organization. Bengals fans,
Speaker 1: I know have a complicated relationship with Marvin Lewis and
Speaker 1: it definitely went on too long. But what he did
Speaker 1: was make Mike Brown, their owner, start to modernize. They
Speaker 1: basically didn't have a scouting department. They didn't have a
Speaker 1: personnel department. Like he made them start hiring as part
Speaker 1: of even staying with the job back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven. He made them say, hey, we gotta update,
Speaker 1: we need a scouting department, we need to do this
Speaker 1: and that, and and I think he did a good job.
Speaker 1: He was there too long. But if you kind of like,
Speaker 1: look at what he accomplished compared to what the other
Speaker 1: five coaches who lost their jobs in the last two
Speaker 1: days of companies, like, there's no comparison. And it's almost
Speaker 1: a bit of a shame that I think he's been
Speaker 1: used as a punchline over the last few years, including
Speaker 1: by us. Well, I'll admit it's that's all well and good,
Speaker 1: but I also feel like he's someone that was given
Speaker 1: a endless string of rope to not achieve nearly as
Speaker 1: much as you would want someone that if you were
Speaker 1: a Bengals fan back in two thousand and three and said,
Speaker 1: we've just hired Marvin Lewis and here's the good news.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do enough to stick around for sixteen years,
Speaker 1: you would have to think, not only are we gonna
Speaker 1: win a playoff game, or two, but you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: get a Super Bowl appearance in there, because coaches don't
Speaker 1: stick around that long. But this is a different team
Speaker 1: to West's point, and they're perfectly willing and capable and
Speaker 1: patient enough to a fault to stick around with Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton when other teams are urgently looking to upgrade at
Speaker 1: the most important position there is. And they had one
Speaker 1: of the a f c's most talented rosters a couple
Speaker 1: of seasons ago, and you still can't win a playoff game.
Speaker 1: I don't know what more Marvin Lewis needed to do
Speaker 1: to not have this job at this point. Here's neatly
Speaker 1: sums up your point. There are two coaches in NFL
Speaker 1: history to twelve years without a Super Bowl appearance and
Speaker 1: not be fired, Marvin Lewis and Chuck Noll. And it
Speaker 1: happened for Chuck Noll after he had that leeway of
Speaker 1: going winning four Super Bowls. Marvin Lewis had leeway of
Speaker 1: raising the Titanic. UH. For what it's worth, Marvin uh
Speaker 1: Lewis in his press conference today, UH endorsed Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: as his replacement. Here's what Lewis had to say. I
Speaker 1: think he's more than qualified. Um, I think he's been
Speaker 1: in a couple of difficult situations and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and and that's tough, and and it hasn't broke his way.
Speaker 1: But I think he's an excellent football coach. He's a
Speaker 1: great motivator and uh uh you know, he's detailed and
Speaker 1: and so I think he, you know, he deserves an opportunity.
Speaker 1: If not here's somewhere else. So Hugh Jackson, if he
Speaker 1: got another job, you wouldn't think he could get another
Speaker 1: job anywhere else. But maybe Cincinnati is again West, the
Speaker 1: one operation that runs itself so differently that Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: impossibly gets another chance in the big chair. You have
Speaker 1: asked me many times on this podcast if I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for Bengals fans, if I take their feelings into consideration.
Speaker 1: I've never felt sorry for Bengals fans, because I think
Speaker 1: they do it to themselves. If they hire Hugh Jackson,
Speaker 1: I will feel sorry. That the vibe doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they will. They're interviewing Darren Simmons, their special teams coordinator,
Speaker 1: Bill Laser, offensive coordinator. They've asked to interview Zack Taylor.
Speaker 1: I don't know just the way that Marvin Lewis was
Speaker 1: talking about it. I think I don't know if Mike
Speaker 1: Brown is as big a fan of Hugh Jackson as
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis. Can we spread a wider net than just
Speaker 1: simply the people already on the payroll. This is so
Speaker 1: Bengals like that. I want to see what's going in
Speaker 1: their rams. Quarterbacks coach Josh McDaniels. They requested, I can't
Speaker 1: a job Josh McDaniels would want to take it. Don't
Speaker 1: do it, don't do it. I feel bad for the Cincinnatians.
Speaker 1: I don't think Hugh Jackson has earned that, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the issue is not just the
Speaker 1: football acumen. It was the person still experience of Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 1: Cleveland to sell it, Mark, everyone knows there should be
Speaker 1: no Hugh Jackson gets another head coaching. That was a joke.
Speaker 1: You're free, Mark, you're saying still damaged. The Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: also made a move on Monday. They fire Adam Gaze
Speaker 1: here on Bright Horizons Monday after three seasons. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the coaches would agree with this title, but
Speaker 1: Horizons is the name reportedly looking into broadcasting. Maybe front
Speaker 1: office who knows those are new horizons for him. UM
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze out after three years and UH the Dolphins
Speaker 1: for the fourth time this decade will look for a
Speaker 1: new head coach. UH. The team also promoted GM Chris
Speaker 1: Greer to oversee the football operations. A tough day for
Speaker 1: friends of you Around the NFL podcast, Mike Tannebaum reassigned.
Speaker 1: He had been the e v P of football operations.
Speaker 1: So tan Obam has been on our show. Adam Gaze,
Speaker 1: who was on our show in March, both swept out
Speaker 1: in Miami and Greg, I know you got takes on this.
Speaker 1: You think this is the worst job out there right
Speaker 1: now because Da've showed no long term vision. They never
Speaker 1: replace everyone at once. They always keep one guy. At
Speaker 1: one point they kept their GM, then brought in Tannebomb
Speaker 1: above him, then fired the GM and brought in another
Speaker 1: fake GM kept their coach. But then GM Chris Chris
Speaker 1: Greer when he was hired was not did not have
Speaker 1: anything that Yeah, it was fake GM. He had no
Speaker 1: decision and now he does because he's won some political power.
Speaker 1: Strip Serena Williams. Fake GMS like shared a little office
Speaker 1: with two computers facing the opposite Wait for Gloria Stefan
Speaker 1: was like the fake UM football operations head Venus William
Speaker 1: Hergie was in analytic it was it's always these little
Speaker 1: internal battles that different people are fighting to try to
Speaker 1: keep their jobs. That's number one. So I don't have
Speaker 1: any faith the organization will make a good choice or
Speaker 1: that it's a good setup. And the number two of
Speaker 1: the rosters bad. That you're gonna have to have all
Speaker 1: this dead money with Ryan Tanna and then what do
Speaker 1: you have? You have Xavian Howard and Laramie Tunzil and
Speaker 1: not a good home crow. Just there's not there's nothing
Speaker 1: really to like. I totally agree with either, and I
Speaker 1: guess you could have viewed it as a bit of
Speaker 1: a couda ta When they got Adam Gaze, who years ago,
Speaker 1: not long ago, was seen as the next great mastermind.
Speaker 1: They called him the next Don Shula to come to Miami.
Speaker 1: And now it's names like Eric b Enemy and Mike
Speaker 1: Munchak and Vic Fangio that they're going to interview. It's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you just had this next Bix the
Speaker 1: Bex big thing, and you couldn't make it work. And
Speaker 1: this is so all the people were talking about today
Speaker 1: they get hired with all these spells and whistles and
Speaker 1: parades and draperies, they're all gonna be gone to three years.
Speaker 1: A lot of loves still. I mean, he's he's got
Speaker 1: relationships with the media and and a media, some of
Speaker 1: them close to us, I'm sure. But immediately it's a
Speaker 1: talk that he's got an interview and the Browns is
Speaker 1: the most common common jobs. Quake me up Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: or Adam Gaze, Adam Gaze. It's a good it's a
Speaker 1: good upgrade ultimately over Hugh Jackson. And yes, that's not
Speaker 1: an extremely tough question. At the time, you were pretty
Speaker 1: excited about h of course I was to case in point,
Speaker 1: who's the next guy we're all excited about talk to
Speaker 1: me seven days from now. Mark, you're very intense right now,
Speaker 1: Well because because because you know what a big part
Speaker 1: of this is. When we're when you're in this thing
Speaker 1: and we're watching NFL Network for six am, and tell
Speaker 1: me everything is the sky is falling left and right
Speaker 1: all over the place. All of this is the biggest
Speaker 1: news ever. But the rate of these coaching hires suggests
Speaker 1: that the vast majority when you hire eight, six or
Speaker 1: seven or and go totally south. It's kind of depressing. Well,
Speaker 1: which takes us to um the Arizona Cardinals. They make
Speaker 1: the decision and this is something that we kind of
Speaker 1: knew was coming, but it's also now official. Steve Wilkes hired.
Speaker 1: He gets one year, he takes over team. Remember what
Speaker 1: we talked about men? Uh man, I call you usually
Speaker 1: call you boys. Well, we've we've matured on this day.
Speaker 1: I mean we've either sired multiple children or overcome cancer.
Speaker 1: I think we deserve the title men, kids having kids
Speaker 1: having kids? Is this the most masculine podcast? Erica? Oh yeah, alright, anyway,
Speaker 1: echo chamber. So no, what was I talking about? I'm
Speaker 1: so caught up with Steve. When Steve Wilkes got hired.
Speaker 1: I remember we were all at the scouting combine in
Speaker 1: February and we all kind of had a conversation. I
Speaker 1: think we talked about on this very pod that Steve
Speaker 1: Wilkes was the guy where you kind of felt a
Speaker 1: little sorry for him because a lot of these other teams,
Speaker 1: even Jon Gruden, who got a lot of attention to
Speaker 1: the combine, there was there was excitement around the team
Speaker 1: and the idea of a new horizon, uh and a
Speaker 1: lot to build on potentially, and and Wilkes it never
Speaker 1: had that, and and they do when they went and
Speaker 1: they got Josh Rosen, which I thought was the right
Speaker 1: move at the time, but nothing really came of that
Speaker 1: um at least in his first year. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like Wilkes kind of got a raw deal here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was the guy or not
Speaker 1: the guy, but he got written off by about eight
Speaker 1: games into the season. And these guys deserve more time
Speaker 1: to mature into the job. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: that's how you do business. They've also fired Byron Leftwich,
Speaker 1: who was the second offensive coordinator they had the season
Speaker 1: after firing Mike McCoy and Byron left which was meant
Speaker 1: to be someone that they could build around and a
Speaker 1: young coach that they could grow. And the Cardinals are
Speaker 1: a good example of zero patients, a situation where why
Speaker 1: are we giving an NFL coach one year to take
Speaker 1: over a bad organization. I look at it was it
Speaker 1: was a hard to watch team. There wasn't a lot happening.
Speaker 1: There's like one of the one of the coaches that
Speaker 1: wants to fit players into his you know scheme that
Speaker 1: is immovable, and that is he's got to learn from that.
Speaker 1: If you're Steve Wilkes at the same time and he
Speaker 1: never even got a chance, I agree. I just something
Speaker 1: about it seems very unfair. I think you shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: That's the job of a coordinator. You should be you
Speaker 1: should know what you're doing. And you're NFL when you
Speaker 1: get the it's your first job. I don't care what
Speaker 1: that's what the coordinating position is for president of the
Speaker 1: United States. There's a learning curve to every job you
Speaker 1: work in, and you and you if you are running
Speaker 1: a hub NFL level offense for sixteen games, which he
Speaker 1: was when he said all offseason everything we're gonna do
Speaker 1: is based on the run and the offensive line, and
Speaker 1: he had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear from your coach in two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, everything we're gonna do is based on the run,
Speaker 1: one of the worst five offenses in the Football Outsiders
Speaker 1: era according to their numbers. That I think part of
Speaker 1: the factor here was Steve kim Their GM is very
Speaker 1: much on the hot seat, but is allowed to keep
Speaker 1: his job. And I you just get the sense they're
Speaker 1: almost giving Time one chance to take a mulligan, because
Speaker 1: Wilkes wasn't his first choice by any means according to reports,
Speaker 1: and like whatever, this new tandem is Time and the
Speaker 1: new coach is gonna have a short show and it
Speaker 1: real quick. It's not a good look that Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 1: name was floated out. There is the Cardinals being very
Speaker 1: interested and wanting to give him a lot of power
Speaker 1: to come in and have personnel power, and Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: from what we're hearing, has no interest in going there.
Speaker 1: Not a good start. So here's the other way to
Speaker 1: look at it, Because I do I do you think
Speaker 1: give me a coach one year is not good business?
Speaker 1: But Steve will vance Joseph in Denver. They the Broncos
Speaker 1: had not had back to back losing seasons since the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, early in the nineteen seventies, which is a
Speaker 1: remarkable achievement, uh in any era, but especially in the
Speaker 1: salary cap era. Well, Joseph comes and they just can't
Speaker 1: get it together. And you remember there were a lot
Speaker 1: there was a lot of whispers that Joseph was maybe
Speaker 1: a one and done candidate last year they gave Joseph
Speaker 1: another season to get it going, they gave him a
Speaker 1: better quarterback in case Keenum, but Greg, ultimately they just
Speaker 1: cannot get anything going in the way they ended the season. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe just so solidified that it was time for him
Speaker 1: to move on. There's not much to to like about
Speaker 1: this situation again because you don't have a quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have Von Miller, so I would take it over
Speaker 1: the Dolphins job. You have Chris Harris, you have a
Speaker 1: couple of players. You have uh, a guy in John
Speaker 1: Elway who I don't think really is struggling for job security. Uh.
Speaker 1: You wonder if Gary Kubiak would listen to to becoming
Speaker 1: a head coach again, it sounds like he wants John Elway,
Speaker 1: would love Gary Kubiak to be the coordinator and they
Speaker 1: bring in someone with Well, there are reports out there
Speaker 1: that John Elway would really love to somehow trade for
Speaker 1: John Harbor. That's that's the next Broncos. Yeah, Mike garafolo
Speaker 1: Ian Rapport have kind of thrown that out there as
Speaker 1: the Dolphins for Broncos as two teams that that would
Speaker 1: love to go after John Harper. But why would I
Speaker 1: don't think the Ravens are gonna do. I also found
Speaker 1: it interesting that Elway came out and said that Adam Case,
Speaker 1: who was their offensive coordinator and someone that Elway thought
Speaker 1: that was not ready to be a head coach some
Speaker 1: years back, is saying no, he's not a candidate at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't love that. No, I just think
Speaker 1: that's it's a it's just not the only one. Okay,
Speaker 1: what was that, Eric? I don't know it was it appropriate?
Speaker 1: It was way inappropriate totally, especially on New Horizons or
Speaker 1: spot on um. Yeah, So it's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: tough job. It's a defense that is underperformed. And Joseph
Speaker 1: was a defensive guy. So the the and that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing too. With all this West there's eight head
Speaker 1: coach openings and everyone wants to go in the new
Speaker 1: direction in the NFL, which is get an offensive minded guy.
Speaker 1: And I would think Elway is the same way. But
Speaker 1: there's not I mean, there's a lot of openings and
Speaker 1: maybe not a lot of guys even capable for the gig.
Speaker 1: It's a good time to be an offensive coordinator with
Speaker 1: some pedigree, it is. I mean, I I totally agree
Speaker 1: that you don't know where they'll turn. There are tons
Speaker 1: of candidates who are offensive minds. Nobody knows if they're
Speaker 1: gonna be good head coaches. And I have no problem
Speaker 1: with Vance Joseph being out after some of the coaching
Speaker 1: strategy he's used throughout games. But I think that John
Speaker 1: Elway is getting off easy. And I'm not sure exactly
Speaker 1: what Joe Ellis does are responsible for. He seems to
Speaker 1: be running the whole operation. I mean, there's essentially of
Speaker 1: an ownership vacuum because of what's happening with the Bowland
Speaker 1: family and fight over inheritance. But Joe Alice is running
Speaker 1: the business. He's essentially running like an owner would. His
Speaker 1: His and John's fingerprints are all over these disappointed seasons.
Speaker 1: Think of how many different coaches and quarterbacks Elway has
Speaker 1: had in his time. And there's a great stat it's
Speaker 1: a little unfair, but a great stat that Elway was
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty eight in the three years, you know,
Speaker 1: before Manning arrived, in the three outside yeah, and outside
Speaker 1: of Jerry Jones, John Elway is the closest there is
Speaker 1: to a GMA. Simply would have to fire himself to
Speaker 1: be removed because he's you know, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: If he has another advanced Joseph and another brock Off,
Speaker 1: I would think you're gonna fire him. Who fires John
Speaker 1: Elway in ten for that? Does he? I mean it
Speaker 1: helped that he had a very good um draft and
Speaker 1: broad in he did good talent. However, yes, the quarterback position,
Speaker 1: which is ironic obviously because of what he did for
Speaker 1: a living before he went into car sales and then
Speaker 1: uh into the front office. But well worn path, yeah,
Speaker 1: well worn path. But you just you get the feeling
Speaker 1: that he has no idea what to do a quarterback
Speaker 1: because again, we don't have a strong quarterback class. You
Speaker 1: have Case Keenom, I think under contract for one more year,
Speaker 1: seven million dollars guaranteed next year. So right, it's almost
Speaker 1: And then they have a bunch of guys on the
Speaker 1: who's on the market. It's guys that are kind of
Speaker 1: in the case Keenom tier of quarterbacks, so they're kind
Speaker 1: of caught in between. Meanwhile, Von Miller, who's one of
Speaker 1: the great defenders of this era, is gonna continue to
Speaker 1: get older and get paid a ton of money. It's
Speaker 1: a tough situation in Denver, not high up on the
Speaker 1: list of best jobs, is it Let's say number six,
Speaker 1: number six of eight. Number wait, let me just go
Speaker 1: through this. Bengals, I have them eight, I would have
Speaker 1: them probably seven. This is a weird way to mark.
Speaker 1: What do you have? Where do you have the Dolphins?
Speaker 1: I had the Dolphins above the Bengals. I would say
Speaker 1: Dolphins seven, Bengals ages. Yeah, they're in the middle somewhere
Speaker 1: because they got a pen I like Rose, and they
Speaker 1: have the number one pick. They have some recent track.
Speaker 1: This is taking some mental energy to go backwards on
Speaker 1: all I don't even have a list. So well, that's good.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the Jets. Todd Bowls
Speaker 1: officially out. He was let go on Sunday night. This
Speaker 1: was the worst kept secret in the NFL. We knew
Speaker 1: Balls was gone once the Jets season spirals. He loses
Speaker 1: forty games in four years. That's not a good average.
Speaker 1: No playoff appearances. Uh well, there was a report that
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh that the Jets would shake the tree and
Speaker 1: see if maybe they could get Jim out of Michigan. Um,
Speaker 1: but there's now the idea that Jim is not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: And beyond that. In a press conference, today Chris Johnson,
Speaker 1: who is the acting owner while Woody UH is overseas
Speaker 1: as the UK ambassador UM. He is going to keep
Speaker 1: UM general manager Mike mccagnen aboard. They are going to
Speaker 1: the new head coach, whoever it is, and mccagnet will
Speaker 1: both answer to UH ownership. So Jim Harbaugh, Typer, anybody
Speaker 1: that is UH, you know, a CEO type, one of
Speaker 1: those big names, is not gonna want that arrangement. So
Speaker 1: it does give you pause as a Jets ven. You
Speaker 1: always get nervous because you want the gym to hire him,
Speaker 1: don't you. You do and you and you wanted to
Speaker 1: answer the gym. But the Jets part of these teams
Speaker 1: that struggle year after year after year, they like we're
Speaker 1: talking about, don't always have the right set up and
Speaker 1: they're sticking with Big Mac, but they're going to have
Speaker 1: a structure. That makes me nervous that they're gonna end
Speaker 1: up with a rough set up, just like it was
Speaker 1: when they paired Rex Rex Ryan with John Iszic, which
Speaker 1: was a disaster. And then they had our boy Castle
Speaker 1: Lee Charlie Castle Lely UH lead the search that led
Speaker 1: to Todd Bowles and mccagnet being paired. They didn't even
Speaker 1: know each other beforehand. I just want there to be
Speaker 1: some type of level of competence with this search. And
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to get excited because I'm I'm
Speaker 1: worried that this team time and time again does not
Speaker 1: do that. Greg mentioned the Dolphins. Uh, the paradigm. That's
Speaker 1: so confusing for anyone outside to understand what's attractive about it.
Speaker 1: These things where you have coach and GM both reporting
Speaker 1: to the owner almost invariably lead to you know, in
Speaker 1: fighting and one trying to win favor and often a
Speaker 1: power struggle. And I would say, outside of Mike mccagnen
Speaker 1: making a savvy trade that led to Sam Donald all
Speaker 1: credit due, this roster is in rough shape. Yeah, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's that was your move. But what is your What
Speaker 1: is it about Mike mccagnen. But that, to me is
Speaker 1: like that's not enough. He did a great job getting
Speaker 1: that trade done, But it is about roster. It's the
Speaker 1: one position that can save your job if you make
Speaker 1: a trade. And that turned out to be an incredibly
Speaker 1: savvy trade with the Cults, and he got lucky too.
Speaker 1: There's luck that's involved as a component, but that's how
Speaker 1: sports is. But this is still the man you're leaning
Speaker 1: on to build the rest of roster around your young quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's I'm not gonna say mccagnon is the right guy.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if he is. Follow the
Speaker 1: Jets is well as Dan does. But Christopher Johnson, everything
Speaker 1: I've read and seeing from him, I trust him. He
Speaker 1: seems to have a good head on shures, he seems
Speaker 1: to know what he's doing. I would have way more
Speaker 1: confidence in him picking a coach than that. He's not.
Speaker 1: He's not the owner. He's the acting owner. But for
Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, the current owner is kind of
Speaker 1: who knows, you know, he's the right now the ambassador
Speaker 1: U to the UK. Not a lot of people in
Speaker 1: that administration have kept jobs for too long, and we're
Speaker 1: about halfway through what it sounds. It sounds like Chris Johnson,
Speaker 1: it's his it's his gig. They haven't they have confirmed
Speaker 1: or there's been multiple pull reports that they've requested to
Speaker 1: talk with Todd Monkin, who's kind of fun, Eric b
Speaker 1: Enemy from the Chiefs, and Chris Richard from the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and they were turned down by Matt Campbell, who's the
Speaker 1: Iowa state coach, who's gonna who's probably turning down any Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not just a ch I mean it's the Eric
Speaker 1: b Enemy should be not new news. That was mentioned
Speaker 1: on our Twitter show just a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Insider marxis soh you mentioned it? Yeah, nice little Phil
Speaker 1: in the blank game. Oh yeah, A lot of the
Speaker 1: things just felle twenty days ago. Let's move on to
Speaker 1: the Bucks. Dirk cutter out after three seasons, three lost
Speaker 1: seasons in Tampa. There is no progress, no growth, and
Speaker 1: maybe Chris Westling a lot of that can be attributed
Speaker 1: to getting into bed with Jamis Winston is the face
Speaker 1: year franchise who was suspended to start the season, who
Speaker 1: was benched. But it sounds like the Bucks as an
Speaker 1: organization are still behind uh, their former first overall pick.
Speaker 1: So whoever takes this job is gonna have to figure
Speaker 1: out how to make that work. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: really that much behind Jameis Winston. I think they're saying
Speaker 1: we're going to foot the twenty million dollar bill for
Speaker 1: next year to give him a one year audition on
Speaker 1: top of the four years we've already seen. But he's
Speaker 1: not a part of the coaching search like you would
Speaker 1: expect from a number one overall draft pick, and fans,
Speaker 1: I'm with you that I don't even know if he's
Speaker 1: guaranteed to make the t It almost just makes sense
Speaker 1: to keep him on a one year contract. They have
Speaker 1: the number five pick in the draft, and you would
Speaker 1: think they'll be looking at the quarterbacks. I know it's
Speaker 1: not a great class, but they have to be looking
Speaker 1: at a quarter and that pick comes one one pick
Speaker 1: before the New York Giants, so you know that that
Speaker 1: could become a very important moment in the draft. Not
Speaker 1: a terrible roster, I know they this is one of
Speaker 1: the worst franchise in the league. I think they have
Speaker 1: one winning season and in a long stretch, but not
Speaker 1: the worst roster out there. James light the GM who
Speaker 1: is sticking around, said today of Winston, he has done
Speaker 1: some amazing things. There's a lot to like about Jamis
Speaker 1: and he'll be here next year. So yeah, let'sn't say
Speaker 1: anything beyond next year. But for me, if you're the
Speaker 1: head if you take the head coach job with the
Speaker 1: understanding that that's your guy, you gotta have a plan.
Speaker 1: And it is interesting how many of these gms on
Speaker 1: the hot seat all kept their jobs. David Caldwell and Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: Steve Kim in Arizona, Jason Light and Tampa, and Mike
Speaker 1: mccagney in New York are for off the top of
Speaker 1: the firing season for gms is different than coaches. I
Speaker 1: mean the deep in draft and scoutings they give fired
Speaker 1: throughout the off season in March June May. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't see coaches getting firing fired, I haven't. You're
Speaker 1: gonna think this is a joke question, It honestly is not.
Speaker 1: I have a serious question. If you are a coach
Speaker 1: with two or three offers, and you are someone that,
Speaker 1: like I, have a physical, nauseating response to the Buck's uniform,
Speaker 1: would you go to a completely different organization where you
Speaker 1: love the look of field, the stadium, the way it
Speaker 1: looks on television, the uniforms from top to bottom. Or
Speaker 1: is am I being utterly insane? I think that you
Speaker 1: have to trust your instincts and if you're and if
Speaker 1: you don't like an area, if you're not gonna find it.
Speaker 1: Would keep me in bed here. I mean it happened
Speaker 1: to be we're talking about him dirt Cutter is considered
Speaker 1: the front runner for the Falcons offensive coordination. Yeah, that guy.
Speaker 1: I got really nervous there. I thought, it's like, this
Speaker 1: is this whole thing is gonna be a stressful process.
Speaker 1: So air Cutter is going back to Atlanta possibly. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the heavy front runner. According to de Orlando Ledban,
Speaker 1: We've seen Daryl Bevil's name with the Falcons and Gary Kubiak.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about another big hiring on Monday, or not
Speaker 1: a firing here on New Horizons Monday, but a hiring
Speaker 1: on New Horizons Monday. It is a new horizon for
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock, the draft guru who has anchored the NFL
Speaker 1: network coverage of the draft in the process leading up
Speaker 1: to the draft for years and has really built a name,
Speaker 1: is one of the more knowledgeable UM College talent scouts
Speaker 1: there is, at least on the on the old boob tube.
Speaker 1: Well the Raiders, they say, hey, bro, you wanna go
Speaker 1: work in the front office. You want the highest post
Speaker 1: that we have. Uh, you're the general manager. Now you
Speaker 1: are replacing Reggie mackenzie. So uh And Mike Mayex says, okay, Bro,
Speaker 1: I will take that job. That's that's not a bad gig.
Speaker 1: I like going on TV or being rich. Uh, I
Speaker 1: mean eyes and we get a long Well that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's all good. But you're gonna give me a GM spot,
Speaker 1: get a nice office, get a parking spot. I'm the
Speaker 1: GM of an NFL team now, Mike Mayock. The parking
Speaker 1: spot turned the tides here. It didn't hurt I One
Speaker 1: thing is with the Niners when they went and hired
Speaker 1: John Lynch and people thought, how can this work? It's
Speaker 1: it's someone with no developmental skills, like that's a former
Speaker 1: player who's in the media. I think it's it's an
Speaker 1: outside the boxy of like temper tensions and stuff like
Speaker 1: who like eight crayons and stuff. John Lynch just that
Speaker 1: he was not he didn't come from that background. Maybe
Speaker 1: a term from like a preschool like that enough parallel
Speaker 1: what term even? Oh well, no, I mean just that,
Speaker 1: you know, the background was not syncd up with the
Speaker 1: league thinks the same way about all these people. It's
Speaker 1: like Mayok to me is an interesting higher and I mean,
Speaker 1: who's who deserves more of a shop from the media
Speaker 1: than like Mayok. It's an interesting pairing with John gruten Well,
Speaker 1: who their friends who has been scouting you know, college
Speaker 1: players more. Obviously people inside the Enda fell are doing
Speaker 1: it as well, but they're looking for a specific skill
Speaker 1: set and Mayok has been looking for every team. He
Speaker 1: is known to be very close with Paul Gunther, who's
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator, and he mentioned that may Octed in
Speaker 1: his press conference saying I know exactly what Paul is
Speaker 1: looking for and I and you know, I know how
Speaker 1: to find those you know types of players. I think
Speaker 1: it's cool. He's a sixty year old guy who it's
Speaker 1: who probably thought like this is my chance, Like you're
Speaker 1: only gonna live one life, and it's it's an interesting
Speaker 1: setup and everything, but it's like, do you wanna if
Speaker 1: you're in his position and as an analyst, do you
Speaker 1: want to do that your whole life? Or do you
Speaker 1: want to try to be in the game? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? If you want to go for you
Speaker 1: want to risky? But why not it's and year after
Speaker 1: year do the same thing and just live a cycle
Speaker 1: year after year after year and nothing ever changes and
Speaker 1: it's different season, but it's the same thing over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. Or do you want to go well?
Speaker 1: Join as a GM somewhere. I like that, But there's
Speaker 1: a flip side to that. Dan, that was a dark
Speaker 1: look into your psyche. I don't know where this is.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening here. Well, that was making
Speaker 1: a reference to our our lives. No, I do not
Speaker 1: want to suddenly necessarily they would be attached to the
Speaker 1: success of the Oakland Raiders a year from now, where
Speaker 1: every draft season, if you're Mike Mayock, you're put out
Speaker 1: there as this mastermind that has these massive media calls
Speaker 1: with everyone clutching to you and your information, and you
Speaker 1: put out there's a hero and you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know he does. I'm just saying that there's a
Speaker 1: flip side of this, and asked John Gruden is the
Speaker 1: first person asked, like a year ago, you're John Gruden,
Speaker 1: television guy that everyone wants, and now you're John Gruden wants.
Speaker 1: It's a challenge. It's a challenge, and I think, hand
Speaker 1: up for it. And like Parcels, it's like he always
Speaker 1: talked about, you want to go to the one and
Speaker 1: fifteen team. I mean, you're not gonna get worse. And
Speaker 1: it turns Daniel Jeremiah into the most powerful figure at
Speaker 1: our network and someone who is a generally nice guy
Speaker 1: who is probably going to turn into an absolute nightmare
Speaker 1: now that he's been given their new power. I think
Speaker 1: the real under the radar breaking news from that whole
Speaker 1: segment was Dan's trying to bring boob to back my
Speaker 1: dad when I was like nine years old, and it's
Speaker 1: on the old boob, the old boob. Do hey get
Speaker 1: the clicker? Alright? How about your Cleveland Browns Mark Um? Obviously,
Speaker 1: um Greg Williams is formally interviewing for the for the
Speaker 1: head coaching job. He was the interim and did quite well, uh,
Speaker 1: taking over for Hugh Jackson. So he interviews on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Um Freddie Kitchens does he get an interview himself in
Speaker 1: the process. I Actually, the one thing that that encourages
Speaker 1: me amidst certain some gossip and rumors that have me
Speaker 1: highly concerned, as you know, is that they have announced
Speaker 1: more than double any other team of the people that
Speaker 1: they're interviewing. It sounds like they're gonna take their time.
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, Matt Eperflus, Brian Flores, Mike Munchak, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, Kevin Stefans, Cults so seen x Sirianni and
Speaker 1: Jim Colwell. I mean, it's just like, at least you're
Speaker 1: I hope, because my concern was they're going to interview
Speaker 1: two people and someone's just gonna hire Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: not think about it. I hope that they're open minded
Speaker 1: enough ownership, front office, all of them to be wowed
Speaker 1: by someone different than we expect. I want John Dorsey
Speaker 1: to make the decision. I absolutely think that is how
Speaker 1: it must go, and I'm not convinced that's how it's
Speaker 1: going to go at all. It's the only thing around
Speaker 1: the Browns. It's a great desirable job with the best
Speaker 1: up and coming quarterback in the league and a ton
Speaker 1: of UH talent on the roster, and they already proven
Speaker 1: in the seven eight in one season they can hang
Speaker 1: with anyone. A lot of people WI pick him as
Speaker 1: a playoff team. But will they get out of the
Speaker 1: way upstairs in ownership because they have mettled time and
Speaker 1: time again in the last seven or eight years, however
Speaker 1: long has um has been there. Will they stay out
Speaker 1: of the way. Dorsey deserves a wide birth because he
Speaker 1: had a nice first year with this team. Will he
Speaker 1: get it? I think the the one concerned lingering with
Speaker 1: and look at who knows that Adam Gaze couldn't go
Speaker 1: to another team and do a good job, But it is.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslam and Peyton Manning are legit very very close friends,
Speaker 1: to the point that years, for years there were rumors
Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning was going to become high up in
Speaker 1: Cleveland's front office. That they're super tight because of their
Speaker 1: Tennessee ties, and Peyton Manning is is in ownership's ear
Speaker 1: saying Adam Gaze is the guy, so he's gonna have
Speaker 1: from top down. You're gonna have to be wowed by
Speaker 1: someone else for a change of direction if that's how
Speaker 1: this is actually playing out behind the scenes. Um. Lastly,
Speaker 1: the packers, what are you hearing? Greg? Well? My sources
Speaker 1: on the ground, that's nice. Josh McDaniels is one of
Speaker 1: the names. When I say what are you hearing? I'm
Speaker 1: talking about what you're you're watching on the boob tube
Speaker 1: of yourself. Yeah. Josh McDaniels was requested for an interview
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, who's kind of like the next I guess
Speaker 1: people are wondering if he's the next McVeigh because he's
Speaker 1: worked under McVeigh. He's in his twenties. I believe still
Speaker 1: is was requested for an interview. It sounds like they're
Speaker 1: going to go through a pretty long list. Pat Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: the Northwestern coach who once was very close and worked
Speaker 1: under Mark Murphy, who is essentially their acting owner. It
Speaker 1: seems like the favorite just because of that relationship. Well,
Speaker 1: so I know that you every Saturday sit down and
Speaker 1: watch Northwestern on that special cable package you have. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the coach? Well, I do have
Speaker 1: a friend from Tybee Island who's a chiropractor and his
Speaker 1: close friends with Pet Fitzgerald. Wow, so they like they're
Speaker 1: from the same area. They've known each other since childhood.
Speaker 1: And he speaks in glowing terms to get him on
Speaker 1: the show. Doug Bisbie's his name, Gerald, I don't care
Speaker 1: about Sorry, sorry, Dr don Um. All right, And we
Speaker 1: think that the Packard job is the let's go through
Speaker 1: the rest of it, all right? The Jet job, where
Speaker 1: do you put that? I think that's like in the
Speaker 1: top three because of Sam Dorne. But and it's a
Speaker 1: good challenge and you could be the first coach in
Speaker 1: a long time to make the Jets a success. I'd
Speaker 1: go three, just exactly because of that Browns all right
Speaker 1: about the Bucks, I have the Bucks six there in
Speaker 1: the middle. I don't think there is that bad and
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Winston. Then then a couple of these
Speaker 1: other teams situations Winston and the number five I haven't
Speaker 1: I have like five teams between six and seven. So
Speaker 1: that's Jamis Winston versus Marcus Mariotta battle between West. I'd
Speaker 1: rather have a vacancy than Jamis Winston Packers. I think
Speaker 1: that's the number two I'd put it. That's where I
Speaker 1: have them. Maybe one. The one thing i'd say, if you,
Speaker 1: I would take number one because just because of the
Speaker 1: Brown's history. I know, but it's a short termly we
Speaker 1: keep talking about. You know, in two thousands sixteen, they
Speaker 1: fired or they hired seven coaches. Only one of them
Speaker 1: still has a job. So I'm worried about the next
Speaker 1: three years. Aaron Rodgers I think going and win in
Speaker 1: some Super Bowls with Aaron Rodgers plenty. Both for me.
Speaker 1: I think it's a challenging job too, because it reminds
Speaker 1: me it's not that it's the Raiders, but it's a
Speaker 1: little Groodenesque, where like when you hit Green Bay with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback eight and Nate is gonna
Speaker 1: get you flamed. You better be eleven and five or
Speaker 1: twelve and four or people are gonna come calling. He's
Speaker 1: also the quarterback that in this room has been stated
Speaker 1: many times the best. Ever, how many coaches get the opportunity? Well,
Speaker 1: ask Jimmy Johnson about working with Dan Marino. That could
Speaker 1: not have gone worse. Like these things don't always go well.
Speaker 1: But there's also something we said for unlocking a mystery
Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield, what are the possibilities? Absolutely, it's a
Speaker 1: great debate. Also great was our conversation with Mike Garifolo
Speaker 1: of NFL Network outside of the Eagles facility. We did
Speaker 1: it on our Twitter show earlier today and now we
Speaker 1: will present it to you in full. Take it away us.
Speaker 1: That's a great segue. Mark Sesser said, is a lot
Speaker 1: of hot air coming from NFL network air waves now
Speaker 1: joining us from the Eagles content. Uh in Philadelphia is
Speaker 1: the great Mike Gara follow Mike your thoughts on Mr
Speaker 1: Cessler's comments. Let's start there. Uh, they were checking me
Speaker 1: in and I was catching up with one of my buddies.
Speaker 1: Matt Schneider from my Fox day. So frankly I didn't
Speaker 1: catch any of it. If you don't want to know
Speaker 1: right now, I'd be happy you don't want to know.
Speaker 1: You guys could take it offline. But Mike, thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us here on the A, T and Twitter show.
Speaker 1: You're outside, by the way, and you know at this point, Mike,
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost two thousand nineteen. That little green screen.
Speaker 1: We could get away with the technology and you'd be
Speaker 1: feeling good in a corridor somewhere. I'd have no problem
Speaker 1: doing this show from the comforts of my home, which
Speaker 1: I was doing until late last night when they said
Speaker 1: we need to update on Nick Foles in his ribs
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, and I thought, uncle, when I gotta get
Speaker 1: I could do it from home. We've got the phone.
Speaker 1: No we wanted to, which was great though, because I
Speaker 1: got an eyewitness account of Nick Foles walking into the
Speaker 1: building here today and when he was asked how he
Speaker 1: was doing, he literally tapped his ribs and he said,
Speaker 1: I'm good. That's what my eyewitness source told me. You're
Speaker 1: a real journey that kind of color from homesting that
Speaker 1: from his basement. Give me a break. No, he's not
Speaker 1: from Don Draper's office. You ever notice how his his
Speaker 1: his home set is like Draper, and it's like later Draper.
Speaker 1: It is. It's late period Draper. When I think of Tom.
Speaker 1: When I think of Draper, I think of Tom Pellicero.
Speaker 1: So there's a high parallel there between those two late
Speaker 1: period Draper. Yeah, I said, is that John Ham? One
Speaker 1: day I put a post up on my Instagram story.
Speaker 1: My wife was like, it better not be because she
Speaker 1: has never met Jon Ham. And yeah, I know that's
Speaker 1: that's something kind of lofty to throw out in the universe.
Speaker 1: But the thing is he was at the NFL Honors
Speaker 1: twice and I didn't take her either year the one
Speaker 1: because I just never thought like, oh, she wants to
Speaker 1: go see John Ham he's hosting. The second time, I
Speaker 1: didn't know he was presenting, so she wanted to kill
Speaker 1: me both times. Anyway, we're way off tracks. Bruce Ribbs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no need. There's really no need for you to
Speaker 1: introduce your wife ever to a John Ham type. I mean,
Speaker 1: whether it's actually him or it looks like that. Um alright,
Speaker 1: Mike told me I love you. Hold on, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is an important point she's told me I love you.
Speaker 1: But if he ever walks into a place where I
Speaker 1: am and says you you're with me, She's gone. I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it makes sense. So falls walks
Speaker 1: into the or does he levitate into the facility, because
Speaker 1: at this point that man is gold. Somebody sent me
Speaker 1: a tweet today was a picture of Nick Foles and
Speaker 1: a picture of Jesus Christ, and he said, I can't
Speaker 1: tell the difference between these two pictures. So if you're
Speaker 1: into that, I guess you know. They are building shrines
Speaker 1: to him here, and Chris Long said, maybe it was
Speaker 1: the shrine that allowed him to get up from that
Speaker 1: hit against your debbion clowney uh a couple of weeks ago. Well, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it was the shrine that made sure that his
Speaker 1: ribs didn't crack. Now they're bruised, and that is a
Speaker 1: painful thing. You know. I kept saying on air today,
Speaker 1: it's just bruise ribs. I've never had bruise ribs. I
Speaker 1: know it does hurt. I mean cracked ribs and fracture ribs.
Speaker 1: That's the stuff that's going to prevent you from play.
Speaker 1: And that's not the case with Nick Foles. He got
Speaker 1: that full battery of tests. Everything looks good. Uh And
Speaker 1: as I explained a little bit earlier, it was a
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollar round of tests there. Because that
Speaker 1: too dollar per game starting thing that he got during
Speaker 1: the year, it doubles in the postseason. He gets five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand if he plays of the Snaps on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and then another five thousand if you saw a million
Speaker 1: for every playoff game that he wins, up to four
Speaker 1: million if he should win all four of them. He
Speaker 1: is Jesus um, Mike, you cut your teeth in the
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey metro area. Uh so, And you
Speaker 1: know I'm a Jets fan. So what do you got
Speaker 1: from me? Mike? Where are we at? Are they going
Speaker 1: to get this right? And what names are you hearing
Speaker 1: out there? Help me? Let me? Let me let me
Speaker 1: just undercut my own credibility here and say I was
Speaker 1: the guy that said Steve Wilkes in Arizona was going
Speaker 1: to be a fantastic higher Now I called the foul
Speaker 1: on myself today on Twitter. And I could argue that,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't get a fair shake there, but
Speaker 1: I screwed that one up. So are they gonna get
Speaker 1: it right. I don't know if they're gonna get right,
Speaker 1: but I will tell you this, Uh, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: an interesting search because I believe and we we've already
Speaker 1: seen Eric b enemy out there. I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: get them looking at a couple other unproven not unproven,
Speaker 1: a couple other guys who maybe don't have the same
Speaker 1: pedigree as some of these retread head coaches. I know
Speaker 1: that they would love to get a crack at Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: That has been my understanding, and I mentioned that a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. However, I I don't know that
Speaker 1: McCarthy has them at the top of his list. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the last I heard, the possibility of McCarthy sitting
Speaker 1: out a year was a strong one for him. Now
Speaker 1: he's kind of keeping things under wraps the best. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna hear a whole lot about that. I do
Speaker 1: expect that he will interview, but the teams are gonna
Speaker 1: have to court him, and he's gonna have to court teams,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to go a little bit of
Speaker 1: both ways here on McCarthy. Yeah, I do. When did
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy become the bell of the ball who you know,
Speaker 1: you would think Sam Donald that what better coaching job
Speaker 1: could you get than being able to work with a
Speaker 1: guy like Sam Darnell. I'm I'm surprised. Do you think
Speaker 1: other teams are looking at McCarthy the that way like
Speaker 1: the Jets are too. He's gonna have to fully investigate
Speaker 1: this Jet situation because I know a lot of times
Speaker 1: some coaches will look at it and they'll say, new York.
Speaker 1: Do I really want New York? You know what, It's
Speaker 1: not even really New York. It's so far Western Jersey
Speaker 1: you don't even feel the hot breath of been hatting
Speaker 1: on your neck. Trust me. I mean it's it's it's
Speaker 1: the market, I get it. But it's a little bit
Speaker 1: different lifestyle living out there. And the other thing is
Speaker 1: the bar is so low. You go in and make
Speaker 1: the playoffs, you're gonna be carried off as a hero.
Speaker 1: At this point, this this this franchise, like we keep
Speaker 1: getting these like restarts where you think, okay, okay, now
Speaker 1: it's it's the time. You know, you come in there,
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of success, and and Darnald
Speaker 1: has shown some flashes and uh, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: a lot to work on still, but he's showing some
Speaker 1: flashes early and you think it's a guy that you
Speaker 1: would like to work with you all right? And then
Speaker 1: on the Brown side, Uh, we've been talking, we're talking
Speaker 1: at the top of the show that that feels like
Speaker 1: it's the best job to have out there. Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: one is far to throw his own name into the
Speaker 1: mix a few weeks back. I haven't really heard much
Speaker 1: on that, and I don't if you've heard anything about Bruce,
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on what's going on with
Speaker 1: the Browns right now? Now? And then Bruce Arians expanded
Speaker 1: to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers today by texting I and
Speaker 1: Rappaport saying, you know, yeah, now I consider that one
Speaker 1: as well. You know what, while you're at hey Bruce
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals, Yeah, sure, I go back there. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's it's a moving target sometimes
Speaker 1: for these guys. I get it. It's an attractive job,
Speaker 1: and I buy into and I I tweeted this out earlier. Uh,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is a Adam Gay supporter, and Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: is close with Jimmy and d Haslem, so I fully
Speaker 1: expect the possibility of Gaze landing in Cleveland. Uh to
Speaker 1: be a strong possibility here. Now you know we mentioned McCarthy. Uh,
Speaker 1: Steve White said a couple of weeks SOO, he doesn't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna wind up being the head coach. But
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't be shocked if they talked to McCarthy
Speaker 1: and brought him on a formal interview. But Gays is
Speaker 1: the guy that I'm looking at here because you know,
Speaker 1: he and Ryan Tannehill did never really quite clicked. But
Speaker 1: through the whole period I covered this team closely a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I had their playoff game against
Speaker 1: the Steelers as well. Nobody stands by their quarterback more
Speaker 1: than Adam Gaze. It's just no matter what the guy
Speaker 1: is doing, Gays is always supporting him, never negative, regardless
Speaker 1: of who it is, and always feeling like he can
Speaker 1: get that guy moving in the right direction. So I
Speaker 1: think his confidence paired with Baker Mayfield's dangerous cockiness, I guk,
Speaker 1: it's a good combination. I mean, Mike kind of one
Speaker 1: question though, because it was interesting here, John Dorsey say
Speaker 1: during his press conference that he hoped ownership would listen
Speaker 1: to essentially their search committees recommendation, and it certainly sounds
Speaker 1: like a Peyton manning into Haslem channel for Adam Gaze.
Speaker 1: I don't get the sense necessarily that John Dorsey feels
Speaker 1: that way. And there's also a star wide receiver on
Speaker 1: the Browns who doesn't get along and has a bad
Speaker 1: history with Adam Gaze and Adam Gays in general. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to like, but there's a era,
Speaker 1: an aora of sort of cantankerous nous with Adam Gayson.
Speaker 1: Why after the Dolphins experience, do the Browns say this
Speaker 1: is the best we can do Marcus never us just
Speaker 1: about I don't, I know, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: they sit there and say, boy, he's gotta be Adam Gays.
Speaker 1: If not, we're in some serious trouble right here. I
Speaker 1: I just believe in his candidacy for this job. And
Speaker 1: you know, listen, once you sit down with guys, you
Speaker 1: know they have an idea who their favorites are and
Speaker 1: who they certainly have a list in the order of things.
Speaker 1: But I tend to allow these processes to play out.
Speaker 1: I mean, these interviews really are important, and I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of situations where you know, Hey, this guy
Speaker 1: moved himself up on our list during our interview. Really
Speaker 1: hit it off, especially with the owner. I mean, the
Speaker 1: owners are the kinds of guys that they go into it.
Speaker 1: They don't understand the xs and ohs per se the
Speaker 1: way that maybe the general manager does. So, so they're
Speaker 1: relying a lot upon the interview. And if he can
Speaker 1: go in there and he can wow, Jimmy has them great. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and if those guys in there, as far as
Speaker 1: John Dorsey, Elliot Wolf, Alonso Highsmith, all those guys who
Speaker 1: certainly know their football there, if they can come to
Speaker 1: an agreement there, I could see gays coming in. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. I he's he's a guy who's going
Speaker 1: to get a lot of support from Peyton Manning and
Speaker 1: other folks around the league as well. Though it guess
Speaker 1: it depends on who you talk to, because John Elways
Speaker 1: not bringing him in, and John Elway was the guy
Speaker 1: that said he didn't think he was ready a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago when he moved on when he was
Speaker 1: the Broncos offensive coordinator. We've got eight openings. We're hearing
Speaker 1: all these names bandied about. Some are being reported. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are names that aren't even being reported about
Speaker 1: that you probably here. Is there a name that may
Speaker 1: not be reportable but has shocked you or surprised you
Speaker 1: that this person is getting interest. Yeah, he's not reportable
Speaker 1: to anybody from I gotta good one. Oh, come on,
Speaker 1: he's from college. I'm I'm I'm possibility. Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: want to talk about another guy that surprised me today.
Speaker 1: How about that Josh McDaniels, because he is getting some interests.
Speaker 1: You know, Bob Bob Lamont, who is a coaching agent
Speaker 1: to the stars. I guess you could say. Uh talked
Speaker 1: last year after he terminated his relationship with Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: when he left the Cults to the author and he said,
Speaker 1: you're committing professional suicide here. Uh. And he said, I
Speaker 1: never go back on my word. My word is my bond,
Speaker 1: all that stuff that Lamont said publicly. Uh. And he
Speaker 1: felt like McDaniels was never gonna get a shot again.
Speaker 1: It was gonna have to be him succeeding Bill Belichick. Well,
Speaker 1: McDaniels getting some looks. And I guess I'm a little
Speaker 1: surprised because you know, if you're another team and look,
Speaker 1: we're in a league now where a player could do
Speaker 1: something on the field, in the locker room, even off
Speaker 1: the field, and a team will cut him, and another
Speaker 1: team will say, I had no problem. He didn't do
Speaker 1: that in our presence, so let's bring him in here.
Speaker 1: Let's give him a shot here. So it's a similar
Speaker 1: type of thing with Josh McDaniels, where you know, the
Speaker 1: Colts would never even think about the possibility of bringing Josh,
Speaker 1: but because the Packers didn't have that done to them,
Speaker 1: they'll say, well, let's bring him in. If he wants
Speaker 1: to coach here, great, we don't care what he did
Speaker 1: to the cult. So well, I guess I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit surprised by that, the fact that he is getting
Speaker 1: some interest this year. Two things, uh, Mike. First of all,
Speaker 1: if you want to get back to Hoboke and there's
Speaker 1: a car there with the engine running, turn around, get
Speaker 1: in the thing and HI tell it, get on the
Speaker 1: turnpike and fly. Well, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: a player's car. There's a player, and it's so dark
Speaker 1: here that I can't see it. Might be it's it's
Speaker 1: a bearded fellow. It is, but I think you could
Speaker 1: take much Hey, Jackson. He's still in a painting. Why
Speaker 1: is that man steal in a painting? That's not that
Speaker 1: quick tweet? Quick tweet before we say goodbye to my
Speaker 1: there goes half the full run? Uh right here it
Speaker 1: is my careful is my hero. I'm watching the show
Speaker 1: and my Nick Foles Jersey and my god, I've never
Speaker 1: heard happier news. I don't know that hashtag means b
Speaker 1: d N, but I can tell you, Mike that people
Speaker 1: are excited and philly about that quarterback. You know, I
Speaker 1: know exactly what that hashtag. Let me just say you
Speaker 1: your friend Colleen Wolf, she's not as innocent as you think. Okay.
Speaker 1: And during the show on Saturday and Sunday, boy was
Speaker 1: she trying to get me on that one hashtag b
Speaker 1: d and she was dancing around that you ask her
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, that's funny because on this show she
Speaker 1: said that we should ban the term big D when
Speaker 1: discussing the Cowboys. But that's for another show and another time. Mike,
Speaker 1: what to face follow Thank you, buddy get Dry and
Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us here on the Twitter show.
Speaker 1: You gotta guys, thank you. Happy to year? All right,
Speaker 1: that was great Before we go um hashtag that's been
Speaker 1: on Twitter hashtag when Marvin Lewis was hired January fourteenth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. If you'd believe that, So when
Speaker 1: Marvis Marvin Lewis, by the way, I started that, you
Speaker 1: started it. Letty you Chris West, since I have no
Speaker 1: idea if it's taken, well, let's make it a thing. Um.
Speaker 1: You started since you started started at Dalton Scale, you
Speaker 1: started this. Don't you tell when Marvin Lewis was hired?
Speaker 1: Where were you was? I was living in Cincinnati. I
Speaker 1: was in my seventh year as the records manager, Keatie
Speaker 1: new Thing and Cleek Camp Law firm, playing softball four
Speaker 1: nights a week, playing hoops in the backyard with spice
Speaker 1: rack spicy, dreaming of Tybee Island, drinking entirely too much beer,
Speaker 1: getting in trouble. Um probably had just broken off an
Speaker 1: engagement with a girl who engaged herself to me. That's
Speaker 1: what I was doing in two thousand three. How about
Speaker 1: you mark what was the day January or something like that?
Speaker 1: January January, that is, nine days after the Browns lost
Speaker 1: a horrific playoff game to the Steelers. Tommy Maddox in
Speaker 1: the Steeler absolutely Kelly Holcomb and the Browns big lead
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians is the offensive coordinator. The backsdrop to this.
Speaker 1: I was living in Denver. I watched that game alone
Speaker 1: because I was so nervous about it, despite having a
Speaker 1: bunch of Browns fans who were friends, and was living
Speaker 1: with um, a young female who uh quite an up
Speaker 1: and down relationship to put it that, to put it
Speaker 1: no other way, And we left town about a week
Speaker 1: or two later in a yellow VW camper van attempting
Speaker 1: to go to Los Angeles. The van, after stopping at
Speaker 1: multiple National parks, broke down in uh Arizona in Phoenix,
Speaker 1: where suddenly she told me after about being there for
Speaker 1: about a week or two, where we were living in
Speaker 1: a van in a in a parking lot, essentially you
Speaker 1: were homeless. We were very close because I also this
Speaker 1: was this's a nice person, but this is one of
Speaker 1: those special girlfriends in your twenties that costs about twelve
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and put me into massive debt. And so
Speaker 1: I was on the outs big time, and she she
Speaker 1: started well, and you know it was not exactly how
Speaker 1: that went, but she was telling me suddenly, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a desert person. I just think we should stay here,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I amn't, I am not a desert person. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, there was a year or two of tumult.
Speaker 1: That's that that materialized from that, And then I moved
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles in the van. You just had two years?
Speaker 1: Did you stay? No? No? I I I got an
Speaker 1: apartment along the highway above what was UM, one of
Speaker 1: the larger meth labs in Phoenix. It is the dark
Speaker 1: of all those stories that I've heard, Mark, and I've
Speaker 1: heard them all from you. That is the darkest story,
Speaker 1: your Arizona story. Nothing tops the Arizona story. It was
Speaker 1: a rough period, but I emerged suddenly in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: two years later. UM January two thousand three. I had
Speaker 1: just been hired by the Journal News and I and
Speaker 1: I met it on my first day. Another new hire
Speaker 1: who drove to work in a green Mustang was Ian Rappaport.
Speaker 1: Uh So we're two twenty three year old journals. I
Speaker 1: was in a long distance relationship with my college girlfriend,
Speaker 1: driving back and forth between New York and Boston, a
Speaker 1: highly doomed relationship. Sometimes you just got a note to
Speaker 1: break up. When senior year is over, but instead I
Speaker 1: went the route that led to like multiple years of heartache.
Speaker 1: Uh So this was a growing period in the life
Speaker 1: of the old Zeuser then the young Zeuser. This was
Speaker 1: build up to see if Greg existed in two thousand times.
Speaker 1: Know this, It sounds like it was a dark time
Speaker 1: for all of us. That was one of the least
Speaker 1: happy times of my life. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: I was doing. I was working at Fox Sports on
Speaker 1: the weekends, which was great. I had was working out
Speaker 1: here out here in Los Angeles. I was living in
Speaker 1: West Hollywood. I was working on either Mouse Outrageous game
Speaker 1: show Moments five or six, or Significant Others, and underrated
Speaker 1: pilot that eventually did go to series at Bravo. But
Speaker 1: the personal life, something just didn't feel right. This was
Speaker 1: not the path that I should be on at that time,
Speaker 1: and I bailed. You were twenty four, right. I would
Speaker 1: not call it a dark time, but I think all
Speaker 1: of us probably had that angst that we should have
Speaker 1: been doing something else with our lives at that age.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely. I probably shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: covering the swimming and diving championships in Upstate New York
Speaker 1: at that time in my life, and it's something that
Speaker 1: haunts at you. I was like an HR coordinator and
Speaker 1: Wells Fargo that I could walk to from my apartment
Speaker 1: along the highway and had no car. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was not actually like a high point. All right, there
Speaker 1: you go, Black month, excuse me, new horizons Monday in
Speaker 1: the books here from Culver City. Where was Erica two? Yeah,
Speaker 1: eleven years old? Yeah I was. I was Backgirl number
Speaker 1: three in my fifth grade play. Also, also you would
Speaker 1: say it an emotional dark time for you, potentially I
Speaker 1: really kind of felt like I should be doing something different,
Speaker 1: should have been back Girl number two. Yeah, what's up
Speaker 1: with you being the third in line? There? It's not third,
Speaker 1: it was first. I don't know number three, number three
Speaker 1: with a certain it was a dark period. She she's
Speaker 1: buried it. Step, it's step. You were in the chorus
Speaker 1: as they say, Yeah, I didn't have any lines. Um
Speaker 1: all right, UM, thank you everybody. UM, we'll be back
Speaker 1: on Wednesday with another show. So UM check that out.
Speaker 1: And if you didn't check out our week seventeen, recapt
Speaker 1: checked that out. Um. And that's it because Dan Hands
Speaker 1: is signing off for Quiet Storm. The Mailman the old
Speaker 1: Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass, Happy, bring it.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins wearing a skirt