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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansens and I am joined in
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Right away?
Speaker 1: Another example of machiavellian lever polls by Cam who is
Speaker 1: sitting in Ferica to proper up in a bit right there,
Speaker 1: just because you knew we'd react negatively to that. He's brilliant,
Speaker 1: You're very wise, and I'm scared of you. He's playing chess,
Speaker 1: is what he's playing, you know, and we're all Rooks
Speaker 1: or tam Posey was like, you have to put this
Speaker 1: in now. I cannot let the listeners forget my name
Speaker 1: for one show or else you're gone another distinction. Uh
Speaker 1: this is our Wednesday show. We got a lot for
Speaker 1: you this uh hump Day as they call it. Uh West,
Speaker 1: You're All Pro Team? Oh yeah, West Diggs into the tape.
Speaker 1: West gets out the old laptop, at least the one
Speaker 1: he hasn't destroyed yet, and he types up a great
Speaker 1: breakdown of his All Pro team, and you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be legit when the mailman is behind it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get into that. Um. Also, we're gonna spin around
Speaker 1: the league a lot of coordinator UM news, a lot
Speaker 1: of announcements, some other big news involving UM players as
Speaker 1: well and quarterbacks. So we're gonna get to that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And also in just a couple of minutes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have rap sheet joining us to talk um NFL landscape.
Speaker 1: But before any of that, you've probably seen it UM
Speaker 1: online at this point on Twitter if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of the podcast. But we have a big, big live
Speaker 1: show coming up, our second live show in the history
Speaker 1: of the podcast. The first one was in London last September,
Speaker 1: was a big hit, so we said we want to
Speaker 1: do it state side. Why not do it super Bowl Week?
Speaker 1: So Thursday, January thirty one, eight pm, doors open at
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Speaker 1: a studio audience, not quite a studio, but a big audience,
Speaker 1: a big one. I mean they said it, they said
Speaker 1: it couldn't be done. I think the NFL um you know,
Speaker 1: higher ups, they say we suck or whatever. We we
Speaker 1: gotta prove them wrong. We need the podcast listeners out
Speaker 1: there to come out in full force. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: an awesome show. It was a great experience. I mean selfishly,
Speaker 1: it's a great experience for us, but I think the
Speaker 1: listeners had a blast two in London. So we hope
Speaker 1: as many of you that are anywhere in the area
Speaker 1: can come out. The information is on our Twitter page.
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Speaker 1: is gonna be the dream will be flowing. Starts at
Speaker 1: eight pm. Should be a fun night. We need a
Speaker 1: lathered up, raucous crowd because hey, I want to tell
Speaker 1: you one thing. The last time we did a live show,
Speaker 1: the man sitting in my right, Chris Wesley, brought not
Speaker 1: only just an a game, but a mysterious a game
Speaker 1: where I think he threw all of us for a
Speaker 1: bit of a loop with his five wire at Let's
Speaker 1: paint the picture dice Man two thousand four Dane Cook
Speaker 1: that level or it's just like saying the crowd alright, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the crowd is better than a Cook crowd. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm giving you even more credit than being Dane Cook,
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that. I'm more men and how
Speaker 1: that it. Let's go, Chris, Chris Rock two thousand four.
Speaker 1: You want to you want, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: to the owner of Huka Poo's about getting a bus
Speaker 1: to just bust half of Tybee up up the freeway
Speaker 1: to Atlanta and get them there for that Thursday night. Well,
Speaker 1: with that in mind, knowing that half of Tybee Island
Speaker 1: could show up, get your tickets because they will not
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Speaker 1: Greg said, pinned to top the around the NFL Twitter
Speaker 1: page at around the NFL all the info you need.
Speaker 1: So we're excited, hit me up on the d M
Speaker 1: front on Instagram saying that they've already bought tickets. I mean,
Speaker 1: people are actively picking this up. It's not just just
Speaker 1: sit around for four days wondering, Hey, maybe I'll decide
Speaker 1: to do this. I would act now, or you will
Speaker 1: be on the outside. We were, Yeah, we were. That
Speaker 1: was almost a threat and I like we ran out
Speaker 1: in London. It became a tough one. It was a
Speaker 1: tough people get sneaking in. It was unbelievable and it
Speaker 1: turned into a Woodstock ninety nine situation in London, just
Speaker 1: carnage after the show, fires, riots, looting. Uh, that's what
Speaker 1: we're hoping for in Atlanta as well. The post show
Speaker 1: is pretty impressive. It was we had a good time
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the same thing would happen. So we
Speaker 1: love to meet as many of you as possible who
Speaker 1: are in Atlanta that week during Super Weeks. So there
Speaker 1: you go, big announcement. All right, so let's get started
Speaker 1: as promised. I mean, the guy, he's making waves in
Speaker 1: the industry. What else can I say? It's Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: rap sheet on Twitter, the definitive information man for NFL media.
Speaker 1: What's up. I'm surprised you guys are having me on
Speaker 1: considering I have a competing podcast now. That is I
Speaker 1: would say, threatening your fans, your fan base and your base.
Speaker 1: Competing is a it's a cute word. That's that's what
Speaker 1: all said. He definitely just broke the record for plugging
Speaker 1: your podcast, Like in terms of the time you've been
Speaker 1: on the show, you got it in within fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1: That's impressive. So I think you could have a future
Speaker 1: in this business. And I reached out friends. It's available
Speaker 1: on iTunes really anywhere you can go on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I reached out to one as an old friend and
Speaker 1: I go way back, uh to the early auts, and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, would you say that about you? You
Speaker 1: got that podcast going the rap Sheet and Friends. How
Speaker 1: about a little Home and Home and you come on
Speaker 1: our show. I'll come on yours now do I am
Speaker 1: I certain that Ian is gonna hold up his end
Speaker 1: of the deal in my mind that I think maybe
Speaker 1: I should go on his show first and then Ian
Speaker 1: comes on our show. Yeah, it did go through my mind.
Speaker 1: But ultimately I'm gonna see if rap Sheets a man
Speaker 1: of his word and if I will appear on rap
Speaker 1: Sheet and Friends. But right now rap Sheet is on
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. Yeah, I think you'll be
Speaker 1: invited on my podcast. Um. I thought about doing it
Speaker 1: in the Jet Hired Gaze, um, but then you know,
Speaker 1: everything got to two books. Freddie Kitchens took up a
Speaker 1: lot of time. It's a savvy move by for a
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't have friends to create a podcast where
Speaker 1: you like hire friends to be there. Now, to be fair,
Speaker 1: not actually making any money off there, it's not really hiring.
Speaker 1: It's that's too. It feels even weirder to say and
Speaker 1: friends when you have to pay them to be on
Speaker 1: the show. So this does help in terms of the
Speaker 1: argument that Ian does have friends. I just like the
Speaker 1: dynamic of rap Sheet coming on our show providing in
Speaker 1: depth breaking news and information, and then Dan going on
Speaker 1: his show and doing some thing I'm not sure what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean to be fair, I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people probably wondering what Dan actually does. So if
Speaker 1: he gets on the podcast, my podcast, I think the
Speaker 1: first question will be like, what would you say you
Speaker 1: actually do here? Well, if people want to know the answer,
Speaker 1: you'll have to tune in in enough of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: go to Apple, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 1: For a rap Sheet and Friends, it's fine. I've checked
Speaker 1: out a couple episodes. Let's talk some NFL because you
Speaker 1: are an information merchant a pirates, some people say, and
Speaker 1: we want to talk to the man that knows things
Speaker 1: about some topics in the NFL, And why don't we
Speaker 1: start where we're at with the NFL coaching hires. Of course,
Speaker 1: we just have two teams now, um that have not
Speaker 1: officially made a move in Cincinnati and Miami. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get to them in a bit, but why don't we
Speaker 1: start with what's going on Uh in New York with
Speaker 1: my Jets. The Adam Gaze hiring. Uh, this was an
Speaker 1: interesting move in and one that wasn't necessarily popular at
Speaker 1: the fan base. Not exactly. Um, Adam Gaze you wouldn't
Speaker 1: say won the press conference, but UH, at the same time,
Speaker 1: you hear better marks from when you talk to people.
Speaker 1: Talk to Gaze about the game itself and his abilities
Speaker 1: to make Sam Donald a start, because that's ultimately his job,
Speaker 1: isn't it. I don't understand why the reaction was the
Speaker 1: way it was. I mean, the I thing on Twitter.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's not cool to make fun of
Speaker 1: appearance like that. I don't understand when that became normal.
Speaker 1: But um, I don't understand why the higher was treated
Speaker 1: like it was. I mean, he his record in Miami
Speaker 1: wasn't great. I mean, his record is what it is,
Speaker 1: but he took the Offins to the playoffs in his
Speaker 1: first year. He spent the second year with the Corps
Speaker 1: of J. Coulor Um, who I mean basically went from
Speaker 1: his couch like the laid the production of his reality
Speaker 1: showed his career as a Fox announcer to come hang
Speaker 1: on the NFL for a little bit though, I mean
Speaker 1: Gates is the one that brought him in. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean as opposed to what I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he chose Color over David Fails. You know, Foles
Speaker 1: had failed, UM, and I think that was I mean,
Speaker 1: he was the best option they had. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else they would have done. UM. And then the
Speaker 1: next year this year, obviously it didn't go exactly as
Speaker 1: they wanted, but they also didn't have their quarterback for
Speaker 1: like six weeks again. And when they do have their quarterback,
Speaker 1: he's you know, bottom third of the league I think
Speaker 1: when it comes to starters. So you know, I have
Speaker 1: a hard time understanding how we judge his Miami tenure anyway.
Speaker 1: But for the Jets, I mean, he's his work with
Speaker 1: the quarterback has been great, from you know, Tim Tebow
Speaker 1: getting him to the playoffs, to Peyton setting the NFL
Speaker 1: scoring records, to j Color getting him to play like
Speaker 1: a normal human. Um. To me, he's the perfect hire
Speaker 1: for the Jets. In his press comments, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't want to be there. Um, those press comments
Speaker 1: is are terrible. UM one on one just talking football,
Speaker 1: like Dan said, he is a million million times better
Speaker 1: and the yeah, the that's all people seized on. And
Speaker 1: that's as a Jets fan, that's something that you have
Speaker 1: to live with that people are gonna hone in on
Speaker 1: stuff and then just oh, this guy's a joke because
Speaker 1: he's attached to the Jets. Oh and look at the
Speaker 1: way he's looking around the room. Everyone look at My
Speaker 1: mentions were a disaster. Had to stay off Twitter for
Speaker 1: a couple of days because everyone was having fun of
Speaker 1: the guy's expense. And I get the Jets fans that
Speaker 1: have some issues with the higher because it's it's not
Speaker 1: a slam dunk higher in my opinion, But I'm open
Speaker 1: to it. And it's the first time they've went after
Speaker 1: a um offensive minded head coach uh in almost twenty
Speaker 1: five years. So let's let's give it a shot and
Speaker 1: shut out all these idiots on the outside and all
Speaker 1: the cheap shot artists and market. But we're among those
Speaker 1: cheap shot artists. I mean when a when a guy
Speaker 1: fails in and then stay is in the division and
Speaker 1: gets another job, we're often among the people that are
Speaker 1: just we're talking about two different topics. This is boring.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just saying like that. It makes sense
Speaker 1: to me that there's skepticism because his track record wasn't good,
Speaker 1: including on defense. I mean, I think that's important that
Speaker 1: they were a terrible defense and his hires didn't work
Speaker 1: out there, so he has a lot to prove, specifically
Speaker 1: with gays. We've been in support of the move at
Speaker 1: least wanting to see how it works out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: meant cheap shop artists and the physical digs on him.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about uh, the Browns and who uh Freddy Kitchens.
Speaker 1: This has been quite a meteoric rise for Kitchens. I
Speaker 1: mean it went from after they fired Hugh Jackson finally
Speaker 1: when when was in October, Uh, there was like, oh,
Speaker 1: who are they even gonna make the interim coach? And
Speaker 1: then went with Greg Williams, which led to a lot
Speaker 1: of laughter at the time. Uh, And and Freddy Kitchens
Speaker 1: wasn't even an option then. And now Freddy Kitchens goes
Speaker 1: from guy that nobody knows about two o CEE the
Speaker 1: head coach to a guy that's already been coordinated as
Speaker 1: the next Rex Ryan in terms of this guy is
Speaker 1: the guy the breath of fresh air that this city needs.
Speaker 1: It's been quite a rise, it's been amazing. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've known Freddie for a long time. I'm almost positive,
Speaker 1: almost positive, he was there the night where my wife
Speaker 1: and I had our first real date in Starkville, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: What was he doing he was cooking or what was
Speaker 1: he doing he was cooking? Well, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: said he was there at your first dinner, Like what
Speaker 1: was his role? Kind of looks like a short art
Speaker 1: of cook I mean, just geez. No, he was a coach.
Speaker 1: He was a running backs coach in Mississippi State UM
Speaker 1: under Sylvester Crum on the staff that had Shane Biemer,
Speaker 1: whose Frank's son, that had Else Johnson who then went
Speaker 1: to be Southern miss coach Amos Jones was a obviously
Speaker 1: specially him coach formerly the Browns um Woody mccorby, who
Speaker 1: was climbing out some good people. But anyway, Freddie was
Speaker 1: there um and so I've known him for a long
Speaker 1: time and he's always been, in my mind, a really
Speaker 1: good coach, and I know he did incredible things resurrecting
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer's career that Bruce arians gets all the credit
Speaker 1: for UM, And he's always been someone that has been
Speaker 1: respected in the you know, in the rooms he's been in,
Speaker 1: like in Arizona, you know, before they all got run
Speaker 1: out of there when Bea retired. He was a guy
Speaker 1: that the ownership really thought highly. Evan I thought would
Speaker 1: have considered for the head coaching job, and then in
Speaker 1: Cleveland they almost made him the interim coach, and then
Speaker 1: but anyway, all these things didn't happen, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I was wrong listening to the people. I listened
Speaker 1: to them. Maybe he's not as good as I thought.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not as good as I was told. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just missing it because I happened to you know,
Speaker 1: really liked the guy UM. And then he went out
Speaker 1: and did what he did on offense, and it became
Speaker 1: clear that everyone else was just missing it. I'm excited
Speaker 1: for what he's gonna do. Uh. He's never promoted himself,
Speaker 1: he's never sold himself. He's missed out in a lot
Speaker 1: of opportunities because he's fine existing in the shadows. And
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool with everybody with a
Speaker 1: good guy in that sense he is countercultural in the
Speaker 1: in the NFL, because I'm sure you're getting pelted left
Speaker 1: and right by um core you know, coordinators and assistants.
Speaker 1: You know, Ian, how do I get to the next level?
Speaker 1: Is this is the way this search went down? Because
Speaker 1: when it started, there was all this whispers that you know,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning has Haslem's ear and it's gonna be Adam
Speaker 1: Gaze because there's all that going on, or it's gonna
Speaker 1: be there's gonna roll in Mike McCarthy because the front
Speaker 1: office has Packers ties. And with the way it shook out,
Speaker 1: does it tell you with the one concerning Cleveland Times
Speaker 1: is the ownership? Have the Haslem's turned the corner? Is
Speaker 1: there any evidence that that's part of how all this
Speaker 1: shook out? It's a good question, and I think that's
Speaker 1: the you know, of all of these highers, the main
Speaker 1: thing is like can you trust ownership? Can you believe
Speaker 1: in ownership? And you know, they came out and said
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens was the unanimous choice. I believe he was
Speaker 1: the unanimous choice at the time they announced the decision.
Speaker 1: I know there was some intense discussion about different options,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't I think any of it
Speaker 1: is negative because you need to discuss all this as
Speaker 1: an organization. But you think some of the analytics people
Speaker 1: like Kevin Stefanski, his background, especially as as it relates
Speaker 1: to you know, analytics and I guess math and whatever
Speaker 1: all that stuff really is um. But I what I
Speaker 1: believe is that he's great at Alghab. John Dorsey wanted
Speaker 1: to hire and the ownership listened to him that I
Speaker 1: think that is unbelievably important in Cleveland. One quick compliment
Speaker 1: to you that you were on a first date and
Speaker 1: you won the woman when you were surrounded by what
Speaker 1: I would imagine to be a flock of alpha male
Speaker 1: NFL assistance to coaches. Nice job. Now to be fair, Um,
Speaker 1: my wife, who then at the time was clearly not
Speaker 1: my wife, didn't really care about football in general. So
Speaker 1: when I mentioned to her that this is where I
Speaker 1: would sometimes have a beer with coaches, she did not care. Um,
Speaker 1: let's spend through uh some more like NFL topics that
Speaker 1: are fun. Hey Kubiak in l Way was up. But Dad,
Speaker 1: there's supposed to best buddies. What happened there? Yeah? Well
Speaker 1: I would best friends the best buddies again? Like not
Speaker 1: as close as you know, the the immortal bond you
Speaker 1: share with Tom Pellicero, but close and Garreto, my own
Speaker 1: rep unpaid podcast co hosts, well, I'm not paid. I
Speaker 1: mean swag sometimes, but um, anyway, I would say that
Speaker 1: relationship will probably get better again, it was not going
Speaker 1: to work with Sanjio. I think one thing with Kubiak is,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a great coach and has been a
Speaker 1: great coach on various levels, but he has a way
Speaker 1: that he wants to do things. And bringing in his
Speaker 1: guys like Rick Denison and his son Quint to b
Speaker 1: QB coach was something, um that you know, was a
Speaker 1: prerequisite for him. And when Denver didn't do everything he wanted,
Speaker 1: I think it's very quickly was like, all right, this
Speaker 1: is just not gonna work. Lay kind of made assumptions
Speaker 1: that Kubiak would be cool with the set up, and
Speaker 1: then Gary was like, by the way, sometimes you sleep
Speaker 1: on that his name is Gary, Gus, Gary, Gary out
Speaker 1: there gonna love this. Yeah. Gary was like, hey, actually,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a Gary less guy. Actually, Gary wants
Speaker 1: to see what else is out there. Well, I think
Speaker 1: people call him generally just Kubiak, which makes sense. Who
Speaker 1: has to be called Gary? Honestly, my favorite Gary Kubiak
Speaker 1: memory experience existence was I was in an Apples for
Speaker 1: training camp when the Ravens were playing and he was Ravens,
Speaker 1: so see, and I hadn't seen him and talked to
Speaker 1: him since he had that mini stroke on the sideline
Speaker 1: remember that, Yes with the Texas. My grandmother would say,
Speaker 1: he took a stroke. Old people used to say, you
Speaker 1: take a stroke. Oh, he took a stroke. Yeah, it's weird,
Speaker 1: go ahead. He certainly took the heck out of one then,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen him, and so like, I kind
Speaker 1: of walked around the corner in the stadium getting there
Speaker 1: and him oh, and he goes yep, still alive. I
Speaker 1: laugh at mortality. You're right there. So definitely, what's what
Speaker 1: I would say that relief people probably I didn't like
Speaker 1: by the way, how there was a little I felt
Speaker 1: like there was a smear campaign against Kubiak the second
Speaker 1: that he didn't take that job. I noticed a few
Speaker 1: different reporters you were one of them me, and that
Speaker 1: like noted that Kubiak didn't really have great, uh you know,
Speaker 1: numbers the last few years. It felt like a calculated
Speaker 1: smear job, such his life, What's what's how we're gonna
Speaker 1: do at quarterback? He doesn't seem to like Keenum anymore. Um,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're open um and they, I mean
Speaker 1: Keenan last year was obviously a disappointment. I think that's
Speaker 1: fair to say. I mean, they you know, you could
Speaker 1: sort of argue they got what he has given every
Speaker 1: other team except for Minnesota, right, I mean, and Evensota's
Speaker 1: talent was very very good. So maybe that's some of it. Um,
Speaker 1: But they really signed them and he was exactly what
Speaker 1: they should have known he was. But they do see
Speaker 1: him open to it. I think, you know, the main
Speaker 1: question is like are they going to get someone better?
Speaker 1: And you know when Kubia, when we thought Kubiak was
Speaker 1: going there, it was like, all right, we are they
Speaker 1: going to get Placo? But are you like a hundred
Speaker 1: percent sure that Flacco is better than Keno. It's a
Speaker 1: fair question who actually, you know, Like I think Folds
Speaker 1: is better, but his Portals Folds is better, Teddy's worth
Speaker 1: a shot. Maybe Portals is definitely not Teddy's worth the shot.
Speaker 1: Portals isn't worth it. And before we go on that's
Speaker 1: my thing, So we'll see if they can get someone better.
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, an early peak of free agency.
Speaker 1: Last topic here and something that came up between us
Speaker 1: uh in the newsroom. What is Nick Foles market going
Speaker 1: to be? Where? Does I mean is this guy again
Speaker 1: get a mega box? Or is he gonna get case
Speaker 1: Keena money? What are we talking here? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: get less? He should get more than case Case got
Speaker 1: what two for thirty six? Right? So team a year? Um?
Speaker 1: I It's the weirdest thing about Folds is if you
Speaker 1: literally forget that the rams ever happened, If you just say,
Speaker 1: all right, Jeff Fisher just ruined him for a year.
Speaker 1: His numbers are unbelievable, like top of the lead. But
Speaker 1: in the minds of NFL people, it's hard for them
Speaker 1: to just forget that that happened. So I don't see
Speaker 1: anyone treating him like Kirk Cousins, where he's like the belt.
Speaker 1: We're still gonna be a big story, but he's not
Speaker 1: going to be that. Have you heard any like teams
Speaker 1: associated or is it too early for that? I mean,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are hiring John D. Philippo, Is there o
Speaker 1: c They need a quarterback, Like that's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks they're going to explore. But as far
Speaker 1: as his contract, you know, my guess is it's somewhere
Speaker 1: between Keenom and the franchise tag. So that's franchise. Keenom
Speaker 1: was eighteen, so maybe in the three range something like that,
Speaker 1: and a lot to your children. You have two little boys.
Speaker 1: Do they understand what an in cider is? That's a
Speaker 1: good question. Absolutely, yes, we talked about it. When when
Speaker 1: I get beat on a story, they will ask me
Speaker 1: why I didn't break that news factor and break that news? Um?
Speaker 1: They will. I'm like they know, they will ask like,
Speaker 1: did you break any news today? And they know what
Speaker 1: they're all about. It is your doesn't fall from the tree.
Speaker 1: I think they're already getting that competitive that it is
Speaker 1: your wife more. Does she get annoyed with how much
Speaker 1: you stare at your phone? Or is she more like
Speaker 1: a Lady Macbeth type where she's pushing you harder and
Speaker 1: harder to take down the shifters and the glazers and
Speaker 1: all the others to be the true king of information mountain. Um.
Speaker 1: I have become a lot better at not mindlessly staring
Speaker 1: at my phone with nothing's going on, so there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of like, why are you looking at your phone?
Speaker 1: Nothing's happening. So either I'm working and looking at my
Speaker 1: phone and she totally understands and I'm in my office,
Speaker 1: or like taking a call and she knows it's important.
Speaker 1: But I have in life, I have improved at not
Speaker 1: like putting the boys to bed and looking at my
Speaker 1: phone while I'm reading, like you know the little engine
Speaker 1: that could or well, and you have a podcast to
Speaker 1: tend to as well at this point, so there's that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And what happens often is I have the podcast equipment
Speaker 1: in my office and I'll walking at Jude, who's my
Speaker 1: four year old, will be just standing here wearing the
Speaker 1: headphones talking to people. Very good. Hey, Ian, rap Sheet
Speaker 1: and Friends podcast um special episode coming up very soon
Speaker 1: will be rap Sheet and Best Friend starring Dan Hansis
Speaker 1: with Ian Rappaport. That's going to be a great show.
Speaker 1: We're all excited for that. See yeah, well we'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll make sure to get you on the schedule of
Speaker 1: that absolutely all right, check it out on Apple podcast
Speaker 1: wherever you get uh your podcast. Ian, keep grinding, buddy,
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on bye guys. Not really. There you go,
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport joining us. That was nice. We got a
Speaker 1: lot more to get to in the news, So why
Speaker 1: don't we just spin through what's going on in the
Speaker 1: legal start with the Eagles. So we just talked about
Speaker 1: Nick Foles obviously and what's going on with him. The
Speaker 1: reason we didn't even bring up another option in terms of, oh,
Speaker 1: with the Eagles keep him well, the Philly has already
Speaker 1: made it clear with their next step is behind center.
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson uh said it in a matter of fact
Speaker 1: manner on Tuesday told the media Carson is the quarterback
Speaker 1: going forward. Carson Wentz, who missed the final five games
Speaker 1: of the Eagles season, including the playoffs, with a back injury.
Speaker 1: Of course, last season West two thousand seventeen, he had
Speaker 1: the a c L tear which opened the door for
Speaker 1: Nick Foles becoming a legend. But the team is devsitively
Speaker 1: stating right off the bat, Carson Wentz is still the man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a few weeks ago I would have said
Speaker 1: to anyone this season, even in discussion, stopped blowing it
Speaker 1: out of proportion. Of course, they're going with Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: Um By December of two thousand seventeen, he was the
Speaker 1: single most valuable entity in the NFL from a player's perspective,
Speaker 1: and he was the lead m VP candidate at the time.
Speaker 1: He's got all of that potential, He's got all the
Speaker 1: physical tools, he has all the mental tools. This is
Speaker 1: your rock, this is who you build around. And then
Speaker 1: Nick Foles goes out and you know, basically approximates what
Speaker 1: he did last year, except for the super actually hoisting
Speaker 1: the Lombardi Trophy. So I think it is a discussion,
Speaker 1: But to me, you have to go with the younger
Speaker 1: guy who's super talented. I think the details of folds.
Speaker 1: His contract situation has gotten a little lost in the shuffle,
Speaker 1: which is that the option in his contract which they
Speaker 1: would have to pick up, is due three days after
Speaker 1: the season, so they would have to guarantee they would
Speaker 1: have to be willing to pay him twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: And then even if they were willing to pay him that,
Speaker 1: and this is a team that's gonna already be over
Speaker 1: the salary cap, and there's just tons of veterans, uh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to think about and doing new contracts.
Speaker 1: And there's other ones that they would love to resign.
Speaker 1: They have as many free agents, I think as any
Speaker 1: team in the league. Fools could have brought back his
Speaker 1: free agency. Anyways, what this move, the way that they
Speaker 1: said it so publicly, I think they're just gonna do
Speaker 1: him the solid of just letting him go free, not
Speaker 1: make him pay two million dollars back. And the reason
Speaker 1: he got that contract in the first place was because
Speaker 1: he had so much leverage after the Super Bowl MVP
Speaker 1: season that hey, let's do it for one year and
Speaker 1: we'll revisit it. And Foals made it clear in his
Speaker 1: comments that he wants to go lead a team. I
Speaker 1: love the way he when you listen to Nick Foles
Speaker 1: speak and you see how his teammates speak about him,
Speaker 1: you really do think he's learned a lot over the years.
Speaker 1: And he's said as much that he thinks he's learned
Speaker 1: on how to lead a team and how what's important
Speaker 1: to him about being a quarterback. And he's ready to
Speaker 1: go be someone's starting quarterback. And I think the Eagles
Speaker 1: will say thanks you, You've got the statue, and we'll
Speaker 1: see you later. And who knows, maybe he'll end up
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars. As Asian mentioned, makes sense special statue.
Speaker 1: It is, Well, that's technically not the play. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of them talking on the sideline, just chopping it
Speaker 1: up on the sideline. We don't even have confirmation that
Speaker 1: that's what they were talking. Well, you're gonna find out
Speaker 1: that you will have confirmation because everyone listening to this
Speaker 1: knows how absurd the situation is. I invite them to
Speaker 1: tweet what situation. I mean, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Because you're the only one who really cares. You're you're
Speaker 1: still holding on to some I invite all these fifteen
Speaker 1: year olds who have never seen the helmet catch to
Speaker 1: tweet at me me as well. Moving on the Panthers,
Speaker 1: they have a big issue at quarterback. My goodness, um
Speaker 1: cam Newton dealing once again, as we know, with a
Speaker 1: what could be a serious shoulder injury that would require surgery.
Speaker 1: And the team's new owner, David Tepper addressed local media
Speaker 1: and he could not um say with any um certainty
Speaker 1: that Cam Newton would be ready for en And it
Speaker 1: leaves the door open mark that Cam Newton could miss
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen if he as another shoulder surgery. The door
Speaker 1: is open for that as a scenario and um, that
Speaker 1: would be an incredibly big setback for this franchise. I
Speaker 1: mean it's important to note that he wasn't offering facts.
Speaker 1: He was speculating because there is a wide degree of
Speaker 1: possibilities of what could happen if as we approach February
Speaker 1: and then beyond, your quarterback is pulled into a shoulder
Speaker 1: surgery of some sort and it does you know, there
Speaker 1: are like remnants of what happened with Andrew Luck there
Speaker 1: and other stuff. Um, but if that were to happen beyond,
Speaker 1: the biggest loser being Cam Newton, Uh, I think it
Speaker 1: would be a very tough situation for Ron Rivera to
Speaker 1: have to go into next year with something other than
Speaker 1: Cam Newton under center. You know, more to be seen,
Speaker 1: hey might be you know, they would suddenly be in
Speaker 1: the quarterback market for I think guys like Bridgewater that
Speaker 1: could be a one year solution or something, because because
Speaker 1: you would have to you would have to not want
Speaker 1: to throw away the season. This is a team that's
Speaker 1: been a little under the radar, is in dramatic overhaul.
Speaker 1: Thomas Davis. Uh, they announced that he's not going to
Speaker 1: be resigned. I mean, this is one of the franchise Pillars.
Speaker 1: Ryan Khalil is expected to retire one of the franchise pillars.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Julius Peppers might not be back. And
Speaker 1: then you have this Cam Newton news. It's just a
Speaker 1: team with a lot of change going on right now. UH.
Speaker 1: The let's head over to UH coordinator corner. Starting with
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, who UM have their head coach and
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens, but they also have a new O C.
Speaker 1: Todd Modkin, who was in the running for UM several
Speaker 1: head coaching jobs UH did not land a job, but
Speaker 1: he lands UH in Cleveland as the O C with
Speaker 1: the Browns, and he this guy has a lot of
Speaker 1: respect in the league. Mark Freddie Kitchens obviously an offensive
Speaker 1: minded guy. I believe he's calling the plays, but Mankin
Speaker 1: is a good guy to have in the room. I
Speaker 1: think if there's one encouraging overall result from the Kitchens
Speaker 1: hires that he's hired so far, a very strong staff.
Speaker 1: And I think the Todd Monkin, if you look at
Speaker 1: his roots, he's got air raid roots, he's got m
Speaker 1: he's dipped in college concepts as his Kitchens, and it's
Speaker 1: another added mind to go with Baker Mayfield. It's not
Speaker 1: someone that's going to press to take them in a
Speaker 1: different direction. He's going to add elements and add to
Speaker 1: Mayfield's game in that entire attacks game. This was a
Speaker 1: guy I really thought was gonna get a coaching head
Speaker 1: coaching jobs, So you maybe don't have them forever if
Speaker 1: they continue to impress as an offense. But it's nice
Speaker 1: for this season. When's the last time an offensive guru
Speaker 1: at head coach handed over play calling duties to his
Speaker 1: subordinate and then the subordinate actually improved on what the
Speaker 1: offensive minded head coach was doing as a play caller.
Speaker 1: That's what happened in Tampa Bay this year. I was
Speaker 1: really impressed with how open they're tight ends and wide
Speaker 1: receivers were throughout the season because Todd Monkins offense ran
Speaker 1: so smoothly outside of the quarterbacks turning the ball over.
Speaker 1: It's a good sign that Kitchens too, as kind of
Speaker 1: the confidence to hire a guy that you know you
Speaker 1: would thinking theory could be a potential replacement was a
Speaker 1: hot coordinator. That was the hang up in the Jets
Speaker 1: hiring Matt Rule reportedly that the Baylor head coaches that
Speaker 1: he didn't want to hire a monkey I like a
Speaker 1: guy like Freddie Kitchens who's confident in himself, comfortable in
Speaker 1: his own skin. He should do like jeans ads or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, he fills them out like wranglers. Yeah, interesting
Speaker 1: comments for sure. The Jets we're talking about with Ian
Speaker 1: as well, they have Uh it looks like they're hiring
Speaker 1: Greg Williams. I don't know if it's official. Official is
Speaker 1: official now? Greg Williams who last year, of course was
Speaker 1: with the Browns in the year before that, he takes
Speaker 1: over his defensive coordinator. Um, and it's a interesting set
Speaker 1: up for the Jets. You got Adam Gaze, who is,
Speaker 1: as we know, an intense individual and has the ability
Speaker 1: to say what's on his mind and be blunt as
Speaker 1: we understand it, and that behind the scenes can rub
Speaker 1: people the wrong way. And Greg Williams, who you know
Speaker 1: might be a crazy person. So how did what is
Speaker 1: the dynamic between Gaze and Greg Williams. As far as
Speaker 1: the higher goes itself, UM, I'm okay with it. He's
Speaker 1: an aggressive four three time guy. The Jets need to
Speaker 1: mix things up, I think on defense after very down year.
Speaker 1: But I do have legit concerns about what happens behind
Speaker 1: the scenes with us. I like the set on the
Speaker 1: Twitter show you you were kind of tired of the
Speaker 1: balls Arrow was a little boring, and then that this
Speaker 1: is gonna add some spice, Give a little spice, Gregg
Speaker 1: Williams saying weird things. The last thing we need is
Speaker 1: the New York media covering Greg Williams. Why not? Why
Speaker 1: because it's all gonna be nonsense. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: twenty four hours soap proper. It's gonna be a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff that doesn't involve football, and that's gonna be
Speaker 1: headlines for years. It puts a lot just because if
Speaker 1: the way that it is there, if they're losing quickly,
Speaker 1: you can just they're just gonna pick Williams apart. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't just see him taking one little thing that
Speaker 1: he says in a Friday prescott like they used to.
Speaker 1: I remember going down to New Orleans after they won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They would have Greg Williams speak on
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon at about three pm, and it was to
Speaker 1: effectively bury him from the news cycle. This is after
Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl. Sean Payton and it was
Speaker 1: very transparent. Didn't want Greg Williams making news that would
Speaker 1: kind of be in the be in the air all week,
Speaker 1: so they would put him as late as possible on
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon just to kind of screw over. You know,
Speaker 1: the newspapers have Greg Williams make news. I wonder if
Speaker 1: when you're a coordinator and Greg Williams and you only
Speaker 1: have that one little window to speak a week, that
Speaker 1: maybe more is coming out, because when he was like
Speaker 1: doing a lot of head coaching stuff with Cleveland over
Speaker 1: the last half of the season, there was really nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's like he gets if you bottle them
Speaker 1: up too much, then he's gonna explode with all these
Speaker 1: you know, hot quotes. Who knows West. You're a coastal
Speaker 1: guy now you live in l a uh coastal cities.
Speaker 1: I know you're a Midwestern or at heart, but time
Speaker 1: to let go some of this anger you have toward
Speaker 1: New York. I just feel let it go. Bro. I
Speaker 1: feel like the media could do their jobs better. Well
Speaker 1: that's all there is doing. Do your jobs better, they would.
Speaker 1: They are a very passionate group, the New York media.
Speaker 1: It's one of the only places that newspapers are still
Speaker 1: thriving a little or at least surviving because they so
Speaker 1: much crap. I mean, what do you mean make up?
Speaker 1: I didn't want to name names, but they're that just
Speaker 1: makes stuff up. But I'm not gonna name names. But
Speaker 1: of course there are guys that just make I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't see that in Kansas City, you don't see
Speaker 1: that in Atlanta. And maybe you know, maybe they are
Speaker 1: more entertaining at pervading News, but they just make crap
Speaker 1: up New York. You are picking a couple or perhaps
Speaker 1: even one bad apple and painting a big broad brush
Speaker 1: of an entire industry in New York. Perhaps I'm not
Speaker 1: I would argue that the idea that that's exclusive to
Speaker 1: New York is that's right. It's not exclusive. It's definitely more. Um,
Speaker 1: it's more. It's something you see way more often in
Speaker 1: New York, and it really controls the entire industry what's
Speaker 1: going on in New York. And I mean, look, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a situation. This is an especially combustible
Speaker 1: combination in in a year and a half, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, why did anybody think Adam Gaze and Greg
Speaker 1: Williams we're gonna work? Well, there you go, I got
Speaker 1: I got some input out of you there, So you
Speaker 1: don't think this is gonna work out. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone thinks it's gonna work out. I do. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be leading to many Super Bowls. That's where
Speaker 1: I come down, and I'm sure it will be covered
Speaker 1: in depth by the you know, outstanding New York media.
Speaker 1: Moving on the Jaguars, higher X vikings O c John D.
Speaker 1: Filippo as offensive coordinator. Wes, you love the Jacksonville media,
Speaker 1: Why don't you break down that market for us? The
Speaker 1: Jacksonville media, I'm not sure they exist. That's so, that's
Speaker 1: so unfair. I would go as far to say Florida
Speaker 1: Times Union has one of the best track records and
Speaker 1: legacies of great football writers who have come out of there,
Speaker 1: and they have great coverage on at that paper. It's underrated,
Speaker 1: top top pre underrated football newspapers in the league. You've
Speaker 1: got a rating of underrated news going to Journal Sentinels
Speaker 1: number one, but they're rated highly. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how that would work. The Filippo, of course, was with
Speaker 1: the Eagles and he flamed out with Minnesota. This, like
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze in New York, seems like kind of a
Speaker 1: buying low stock moved by the Jaguars and hoping they
Speaker 1: could restore a guy's lost luster after a bad year.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it works out. It seems like they
Speaker 1: didn't get some of the first people that they wanted,
Speaker 1: and I think this will ended up being a good
Speaker 1: a good fallback plan because d Filippo seems like he
Speaker 1: deserves another chance, and it really does connect them two
Speaker 1: falls immediately. You just think like that, it just makes
Speaker 1: sense because I was I really believe if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for Blake Bortles his injury last year which kind of
Speaker 1: locked them into that fifth year option and then they
Speaker 1: gave a terrible kind I believe they would have gone
Speaker 1: after kirk Cousins. Everyone believed that they would have gone
Speaker 1: after kirk Cousins, but they were kind of stuck with
Speaker 1: stuck with Bortles, and now it just thinks like they're
Speaker 1: going to go after the top the top guy available,
Speaker 1: which is for I mean, there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a scapegoating situation with Don John d Filippo, but the
Speaker 1: Jaguars know that well because they did the same exact
Speaker 1: thing to Nathaniel Hawthorne. Finally, in the new Hawthorne. A
Speaker 1: lot of people Nathaniel Hawthorn operating in different circles, writing circles.
Speaker 1: Maybe you read he's been scapegoat to a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean I was coming with for a message there
Speaker 1: about you know his books have been treated a certain way.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. You don't hear enough about the old
Speaker 1: scarlet letter these days. Finally, news, you don't see this
Speaker 1: off in a professional NFL player going on a morning Um,
Speaker 1: the Morning Show on national television in New York West,
Speaker 1: What a horrible place that must be, uh, and detonating
Speaker 1: his own career. Cody Parkey somehow ends up on the
Speaker 1: Today's Show with his wife also miked up to talk
Speaker 1: about the setback um that he suffered on Sunday, missing
Speaker 1: the short field goal leading to the Eagles win. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it led to a conversation between Matt n Aggie
Speaker 1: and Ryan Pace. They speak in a press conference and uh,
Speaker 1: they say this, we always talk about a wee and
Speaker 1: not a me thing. We win as a team and
Speaker 1: we lose as a team. I don't ness seraily think
Speaker 1: it was a wee thing. So Park, he was already
Speaker 1: on the ropes, did himself in and I just want
Speaker 1: to play one clip from the Today Show Savannah Guthrie,
Speaker 1: because this is playing in my house in the morning.
Speaker 1: My wife watches the Tips. She does a nice job,
Speaker 1: but also it's it's coming from a different angle, a
Speaker 1: different spin when it's on the Today Show, when it's
Speaker 1: Savannah and Hodah interviewing a place kicker. Here's what she
Speaker 1: had to say. They have m v P s. I
Speaker 1: think they should have NHP most really, so that was
Speaker 1: the whole interview basically propping up Cody Parkey as a
Speaker 1: class act. It wasn't his fault, Oh oh yes, it
Speaker 1: was because you have to understand what the interview is
Speaker 1: going to be, and what it was was a man
Speaker 1: standing up in the face of adversity. His wife was
Speaker 1: there to talk about how Cody does his best and
Speaker 1: tries hardest, and this is not going to go over
Speaker 1: well with the Chicago media, with the fans and management.
Speaker 1: Very clearly. We have proof of that. This is this
Speaker 1: is the first time I've ever I've only thought positive
Speaker 1: things about Matt Maggie. I was I thought that I
Speaker 1: was disappointed by the way that they talked about party.
Speaker 1: I understand that I can understand why football guys wouldn't
Speaker 1: like how it went down, but the fact that the
Speaker 1: party has decided to say yes to an interview, and
Speaker 1: I watched it and it was, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: Today Show doing their thing, and in part in Parky
Speaker 1: was there. I thought they're being incredibly unfair and scapegoating
Speaker 1: because if it was basically any other position on the
Speaker 1: field that did a similar thing, they wouldn't cut him.
Speaker 1: They're cutting him because he had a bad year and
Speaker 1: because he missed a big kick and the fact that
Speaker 1: he went on the Today Show to me seems very
Speaker 1: small of them, and they're almost like kind of punishing
Speaker 1: him and not like I. I just didn't get its
Speaker 1: decision to go on to Today Show. But you don't
Speaker 1: need but you don't either cut or had to be
Speaker 1: way more aware there was. It was kind of spinning
Speaker 1: his situation. I see what you say, only in that
Speaker 1: game because of Cody park because he had a great
Speaker 1: game before that. Matt, he wasn't cut before, absolutely, but
Speaker 1: I think absolutely. But I think in that game he
Speaker 1: played well like he had a good game if that
Speaker 1: was your average. He missed the game winning kick, but
Speaker 1: he also had a number of kicks. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: the games on the line. His job is to make it.
Speaker 1: You're an NFL kicker made, we should be yet three
Speaker 1: or four including what a fifty yard that's not good
Speaker 1: enough in the NFL. You have to make your kicks.
Speaker 1: My point is their defense gave up a huge drive.
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about we not he defense
Speaker 1: on us and you're kind of pointing him out here
Speaker 1: in this is this the only athlete that goes has
Speaker 1: an individual interview, it's somewhere else. And Ramsey, like forty
Speaker 1: five days in a row after he blew the biggest
Speaker 1: game of the year, does he go on, I don't know,
Speaker 1: here's my one thing, and I get, I get, I
Speaker 1: get both sides. But it's like part of part of
Speaker 1: the Cody Parking message coming out of it was the
Speaker 1: fact that he went openly and spoke and answered every
Speaker 1: question like by media, by the by the tough, hard
Speaker 1: hitting Chicago media who are all flamed up in flames
Speaker 1: about what happened with that game. And he's basically telling
Speaker 1: I think people to watch the Today Show or children anywhere.
Speaker 1: When you fail, you can either run into a foxhole
Speaker 1: and disappear, or you can answer to it. Did you say,
Speaker 1: did you watch it? I watched. I watched like eclipse
Speaker 1: of it. You watch the whole thing. Will I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem without his fault necessarily, but what happened
Speaker 1: the way I think he might have even realized that
Speaker 1: halfway through they were kind of raising him up repeatedly
Speaker 1: and saying what a great guy in class act he was,
Speaker 1: and it just was bad optics at a certain point.
Speaker 1: But you have been know enough to West's point, maybe
Speaker 1: just stay we I did my media duty on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay low for a little while because that
Speaker 1: that's the way. I just don't pay him as some
Speaker 1: sort of villain. That's all I show. And that could
Speaker 1: have been the taste he left in everyone's mouth. Hey,
Speaker 1: you handled this really well as a stand up guy.
Speaker 1: It's like you would never think about the firing just
Speaker 1: about a coach or anyway for emotionally like the way
Speaker 1: they emotionally handle press and so that to me does
Speaker 1: not really make sense that you're gonna fire a guy
Speaker 1: based on it. It shows how emotional, and understandably so
Speaker 1: Naggy and and Pace still were that that pissed them
Speaker 1: off enough that they're well and they want to move
Speaker 1: on at that position very clearly. Can I say something
Speaker 1: about New York. It's the city in America, the Big Apple.
Speaker 1: It is the most impressive city I've been in this country.
Speaker 1: It is the number one city, It's the Big Apple.
Speaker 1: I just think they cover football poorly, that's all. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fun. I am going to, you know,
Speaker 1: defend my city and where I'm from. It's a great,
Speaker 1: wonderful city and I had the time of my life
Speaker 1: when I was there, and I'm dying to go back
Speaker 1: to some of my favorite like sportswriters and reporters and
Speaker 1: people on air or from New York to Like, I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying that things get blown up into
Speaker 1: a soapbarb, But if you I like that personally, maybe
Speaker 1: it's because that's where I'm from. That makes sports more
Speaker 1: fun to me, Like what's going to be the back
Speaker 1: page of the Post and the daily news and then
Speaker 1: being really plugged in on the Greg Williams Adam Gays
Speaker 1: dynamic Like for me as a sports fan, I'm into it.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that's how everybody likes sports. Fair Enough,
Speaker 1: I think we're in a good place now. Fair Enough,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. I want to go
Speaker 1: for a walk together. Sure, we can maybe run into
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper. Well that was a cheap shot the deep cut.
Speaker 1: But I'm just sitting here over here, just quietly sitting
Speaker 1: over here, waiting for the next, you know, portion of
Speaker 1: this show, and just outcomes Scott missile right in between
Speaker 1: the eyes by Mark and Greg went for a jog
Speaker 1: at the owners meetings like five years ago, and then
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper I think that was when I was still
Speaker 1: living in New York came up. It was definitely not
Speaker 1: you have your your your memory on your lifetimeline is
Speaker 1: one of the most mystifying things in my life. But no,
Speaker 1: we we ran into Anderson could not have been nicer
Speaker 1: to us. And then we saw him later on that
Speaker 1: evening and he said hello again. So I consider us
Speaker 1: fence with a major meet do you figure he said
Speaker 1: hello again? There was a large, gigantic party and he
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Speaker 1: All Right, Chris Westling an interesting thought exercise occurring over
Speaker 1: at NFL dot com. It doesn't happen a lot, and
Speaker 1: it happened here and I enjoyed it. It was the
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen NFL All Proteins I test, which is
Speaker 1: what west Vous supports. That's what he stands by versus
Speaker 1: next gen stats, which mark real quickly ten seconds or less.
Speaker 1: What is next gen stats? Next generational statistics? Apparently? I
Speaker 1: mean no, it's it's it's you're down to four seconds.
Speaker 1: It's the new wave of football analysis that we never
Speaker 1: could see before. Some wide receiver ran a hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty yards on this route and then dropped the ball.
Speaker 1: Advanced analytics. Yes, that's that's just about right. They put
Speaker 1: a chip in each player's shoulder pads that tracks all
Speaker 1: these different things, and that's where we get a lot
Speaker 1: of the next gen feel satanic UH speed, quickness, how
Speaker 1: hard they're working, separation, separation, ability to close on a
Speaker 1: ball amazing, Mark, Greg, you love it. You're a guy,
Speaker 1: you know. Get me to that Sloan conference. Let me
Speaker 1: dig into the data. So you love next JET. I
Speaker 1: I like some more than others, some stats more than others.
Speaker 1: Certainly I think they would admit, especially the next gen portion,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different antalectics. Football Outsider has been
Speaker 1: doing it for a long time and I think has
Speaker 1: a lot of great UH insights. Next Gen has so
Speaker 1: much info. It's like any scientific endeavor has so much info,
Speaker 1: and it's so early in its infancy. They're figuring. They're
Speaker 1: very early in the process of figuring out the best
Speaker 1: way to use it, but teams do it. Teams use it.
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Some of the cornerback stuff is
Speaker 1: pretty great, especially in man coverage, like how close they are,
Speaker 1: who's throwing into tight windows, who's completing tough passes versus
Speaker 1: like easy passes. Almost like think I'd love to work
Speaker 1: there and be kind of a mole where like I
Speaker 1: could put out some crazy stat that is totally not true,
Speaker 1: but like, who's going to disprove it? Who's going to
Speaker 1: disprove Oh? Next Gen Stats says that Ezekiel Elliott actually
Speaker 1: ran for eight hundred forty two yards in this game,
Speaker 1: and here's the field with long red line show and
Speaker 1: what's like, who's gonna sit down and just put your
Speaker 1: nailed it? Your colleague exact next Gen Stats are gonna
Speaker 1: be like Mark, you can't just make things up. No,
Speaker 1: But I would be like, this guy is grinding, he's
Speaker 1: often that you're wildly you're giving us a that name.
Speaker 1: You're so fired you don't even understand. It doesn't even
Speaker 1: sound like that fun of a project. So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Yeah, it doesn't all right West, So
Speaker 1: breakdown you and Shook, our buddy Nick Shook uh when
Speaker 1: I test versus next gens stats and what was your
Speaker 1: big takeaways? What were your big takeaways from this exercise?
Speaker 1: I think the positions that were really hard to pick
Speaker 1: um that was my biggest takeaway. The tight end was
Speaker 1: almost impossible to pick. I went back and forth between
Speaker 1: Kelsey and George Kittle. And you can even throw Zach
Speaker 1: Ertz in there. Who is you know, the most surehanded
Speaker 1: possibly guy in the league? Record breaking? Yeah? And and
Speaker 1: that was one running back. I went back and forth
Speaker 1: on Ezekielt and Todd Gurley. I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at my notes, and halfway through the season, I've got
Speaker 1: girly as the ends down all pro, and then Zeke
Speaker 1: played better in the second half of the season. Even
Speaker 1: punter was hard this year. We can't just give it
Speaker 1: to Johnny Hecker. Every year. You and Shook both came
Speaker 1: down on the same side with tight end. Ultimately, um
Speaker 1: uh going with Kelsey and you also both came down
Speaker 1: at Zeke. Where's the where's this position where you and
Speaker 1: Uh Shook We're not on the same page. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at quarterback right off the top. I would say that's
Speaker 1: the most obvious one that I if you asked me
Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving, I would have had Drew Brees in this spot.
Speaker 1: But then the rest of the year, like Drew, Breeze
Speaker 1: did not play that well. And I think you saw
Speaker 1: in the game against the Eagles why Mahomes would be
Speaker 1: the pick of a Breeze Because Breeze his arms, arm
Speaker 1: limitation is real. He doesn't throw balls more than thirty yards,
Speaker 1: whereas Mahomes allows his play caller to do so much more.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things I was lost in
Speaker 1: breezes first twelve weeks is he made almost as many
Speaker 1: or maybe more, low percentage plays his Homes. He wasn't
Speaker 1: getting credit for that, like really tough throws, beating the
Speaker 1: perfect blitz, all of that. But Mahomes didn't have anywhere
Speaker 1: close to the sluggish final month that Breeze had. In
Speaker 1: a month is a huge time, so I don't think
Speaker 1: that was that close. What other positions was I was
Speaker 1: surprised Wes you didn't have to Marcus Lawrence Um at
Speaker 1: defensive end that which is just a loaded position. And
Speaker 1: so you had what and who did you have um
Speaker 1: in Khalil mac that's they give you two edge spots.
Speaker 1: And I did want to put the Marcus Lawrence on
Speaker 1: on he. I had he and um Jalen Smith and
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh on my second team All Pro, all
Speaker 1: three of those guys. I just thought that Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: was a legitimate, you know, number two behind Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: That's the guy you want. And J J. Watt, I
Speaker 1: mean was J J. Watts. I would have given Lawrence
Speaker 1: a slight edge, and I thought it was interesting Um
Speaker 1: Shook went with Von Miller, who under the radar had
Speaker 1: another great, like just Hall of Fame caliber type of year.
Speaker 1: I also asked that we not invite Shook into this
Speaker 1: segment to freeze him out and to magnify West's Is
Speaker 1: there something weird and in uh like football right now
Speaker 1: that cornerback? Cornerbacks seemed very difficult to even figure out
Speaker 1: who is a standout because Gilmore is getting a lot
Speaker 1: of love, and I think he's had a great season,
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't feel like there's cornerbacks right now
Speaker 1: that are dominating because they make the almost like the
Speaker 1: position so hard and so few play man coverage. You
Speaker 1: went with Kareem Jackson, who had a great year. I mean,
Speaker 1: Chook went with Brandon Carr and Kyle Fuller, So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not guys that you're thinking or having these
Speaker 1: drell revus or you know, even Patrick Peterson type of
Speaker 1: like dominant years. Yeah, my thought process was, there's no
Speaker 1: real shut down guy right now. It's too hard, So
Speaker 1: there's no drell revas. So do you go with coverage, tackling, um,
Speaker 1: big playability. Kyle Fuller's your guy if you like interceptions
Speaker 1: and past deflections. UM. I like the way Karen Jackson
Speaker 1: hit people this year. I thought he played exactly like
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield used to play with the Vikings. He leveled
Speaker 1: so many wide receivers and tight ends and really set
Speaker 1: a physical tone for that secondary. There were games, the
Speaker 1: game against the Broncos that I saw him play was
Speaker 1: one of the most impressive defensive back games of the year,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, Okay, this guy is just
Speaker 1: hitting people. I think with your looking at you know,
Speaker 1: going through both sides the ball, what you and Shook did.
Speaker 1: And I love this article because it's packed with information
Speaker 1: and not just information pulled from you know, uh statistics,
Speaker 1: but a year's worth for both of you guys are watching.
Speaker 1: I know Shook watches a ton of film too, But
Speaker 1: if the article and it is I test first next
Speaker 1: Gen Stats, I would say that you guys had similar
Speaker 1: results on maybe more than eight percent of the players.
Speaker 1: What is your takeaway When the eye test and the
Speaker 1: next Gen stats are so similar, doesn't that mean that
Speaker 1: next gen stats is legit? I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a positive for next Gen Stats. I mean also,
Speaker 1: I think Shook is part of Shook's eye test too.
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's not just him leaning on their
Speaker 1: results data. Yeah. I think if you want to evaluate
Speaker 1: players to the best of your ability, you use your
Speaker 1: eyes first. Always in any sport, trust your eyes, and
Speaker 1: then you back it up and check yourself with analytics,
Speaker 1: advanced analytics, and whatever data you can get your hands on.
Speaker 1: I think you also throw in anecdotes from throwing quotes
Speaker 1: from players and coaches, and you know, endorsements from a
Speaker 1: guy like Bill Belichick. Throw all that into the stew
Speaker 1: and then this is what comes out. And I think
Speaker 1: that's sort of why next Gen and the eye test
Speaker 1: are similar, because you're checking yourself with each of them.
Speaker 1: Very good you and again, does this have a this
Speaker 1: needs a vanity of r L. Does it have one?
Speaker 1: Because we gotta get on it because I can't even
Speaker 1: send people to NFL dot com Westling or NFL dot
Speaker 1: com Shook because it's a code by line. It's somewhere
Speaker 1: in between. Let's see. Last year it was under NFL
Speaker 1: dot com all pro I think are all pros. Let's
Speaker 1: hope that's what it is. This year it is really nervous.
Speaker 1: Not oh my god, all right, let's get on. Let's
Speaker 1: talk to programming. Uh check out West is a Twitter
Speaker 1: account and Shook. You could get the links there, absolutely
Speaker 1: the all protein vanity you r L, NFL dot com
Speaker 1: slash all Pro team. You can also get there with
Speaker 1: hot pot in the clothes Horse'll thank you right there.
Speaker 1: How come? How come Shook its first billing? I don't
Speaker 1: know talk to the you know, the original content department, clothes,
Speaker 1: cloth hose. I mean, your body is nice too, but
Speaker 1: you're up against Come on, come on, all right, there
Speaker 1: you go. So check that out. Great work by West
Speaker 1: and Shook. Uh finally, Uh, this is fun to check
Speaker 1: in every once in a while because you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're a football podcast, but we're people too. We got
Speaker 1: lives outside, not great ones, but like we have lives
Speaker 1: outside of Why why are you Mark? Do you have
Speaker 1: a great life outside of the podcast? Like? Is it
Speaker 1: like a dynamic Indiana Jones with some issues? But I
Speaker 1: mean in the vet compared to vast majorities of people
Speaker 1: that are truly struggling, I think it's pretty easy. I
Speaker 1: was kind of basing it off you at the Dark Lake.
Speaker 1: Now I think, like, I mean, if you want to
Speaker 1: focus solely on oneself, we all could find negatives if
Speaker 1: you wanted to. I'm not. I tried not to today,
Speaker 1: just for today, Okay, anyway, the point being, that's my favorite, man,
Speaker 1: What is going on? What are what are we? What
Speaker 1: are we into? In fact, I like to call this
Speaker 1: segment content ingestion? All right? So that I mean, that's
Speaker 1: pretty self explanatory, isn't it. Greg? The Internet got thrown
Speaker 1: in there. I like that. Well, that covers a lot
Speaker 1: of bases. I wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything.
Speaker 1: So we'll start with you, Greg. What is the content
Speaker 1: that you're ingesting the most right now? Well? One, not one,
Speaker 1: just that I enjoyed the most was the favorite? This
Speaker 1: is like, what is that it's a movie starring Rachel Weiss,
Speaker 1: an emmistone too Great and uh two great and one
Speaker 1: of some of their best roles. And then Olivia Coleman,
Speaker 1: who's gonna win all the awards, I think, who played
Speaker 1: the queen in this. It'd be like if it's the
Speaker 1: one of the funniest, like kind of body like cold
Speaker 1: blooded movies I can remember, very dark humor. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like a queen, you know, pride and prejudice setting
Speaker 1: or something. If it had like the script of Reservoir Dogs,
Speaker 1: like it's just people going at it and it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Sold I'm and I feel like people see it and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, a queen movie set in the eighteen hundreds, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a slog, but it's the opposite. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like raw and hilarious. Dan. Every time I
Speaker 1: go over to your house, you always have a nice
Speaker 1: period piece of three or four hour sometimes those b
Speaker 1: b BBC mini series is wherever? What I where with this?
Speaker 1: Has he attracted you with this description to go see
Speaker 1: it in the theater? Like it's a comedy. It's one
Speaker 1: of the funniest. I I trust Greg's judgment with popular
Speaker 1: culture pretty much in all cases I do. I think
Speaker 1: he has a good radar for it. I'll check that out,
Speaker 1: all right. Well, after not reading any books for five months,
Speaker 1: they're back in my life, so I have that going on.
Speaker 1: But what I would tell other people, I think they'll
Speaker 1: get more out of the show you on Netflix, funny,
Speaker 1: all right, keep going because of because of your feedback.
Speaker 1: I watched the pilot last night. In fact, go on um.
Speaker 1: I was worried after the pilot that we were getting
Speaker 1: sort of a Dexter knockoff, that it was going to
Speaker 1: be too derivative. And after sitting through Lakishan, I watched
Speaker 1: this in about four different sittings, so we've watched two
Speaker 1: or three episodes at a time, and after every sitting
Speaker 1: I would have a different like confidence about where the
Speaker 1: show was going, and I was wrong every time. It
Speaker 1: keeps you guessing. I thought it was really smartly done
Speaker 1: and good acting. And there was at least two or
Speaker 1: three times in the first season where I had to
Speaker 1: leave the room and walk away because mentally, psychology, psycho psychologically,
Speaker 1: I couldn't take the show. I mean, Penn Badgley's back,
Speaker 1: he thought he was gone. He's an o C legend,
Speaker 1: I mean offense co between Uh the o C. You
Speaker 1: know the classic TV show mid two thousand's, uh Fox
Speaker 1: show that changed the game. Uh, And he hasn't been
Speaker 1: in the mix that much. He's back. I watched the
Speaker 1: first episode. I haven't I haven't actually seen the show,
Speaker 1: but I just like that he's around. You convinced me
Speaker 1: to go back in. Oh good, good. Did you have
Speaker 1: the same thing that you thought it was a little
Speaker 1: too close to dexter? Yes, and a lot of times,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in the married situation, trying to
Speaker 1: find a show that you can both watch together. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Simone was in the married A roaring
Speaker 1: fan of the first episode, So maybe we will try again. UM,
Speaker 1: I'll throw it up. But damn, what was your reaction
Speaker 1: to I liked it. I thought it was I thought
Speaker 1: Badgeley was good, as I knew Greg would want to
Speaker 1: hear that. Um, the actor that is in the first episode,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's the star of the show also,
Speaker 1: but she's awesome. I'm way into her. And um, Yes,
Speaker 1: there was some concerned about the way the episode ended,
Speaker 1: and my wife watched it with me. She was on
Speaker 1: the fence. I said, let's give it three episodes and uh,
Speaker 1: and we'll see where I wrap. But I I am
Speaker 1: in on you. I can't figure out. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's the sopranos. Like I'm not saying it's that
Speaker 1: well done. But it's certainly gripping. Yes, it's it's funny,
Speaker 1: it's got um a good vibe to it, and I
Speaker 1: could be underselling it. Maybe it will end up being soprano.
Speaker 1: Let's remember it was David Eliot that rolled through our
Speaker 1: our news room, not to you necessarily, but days ago
Speaker 1: made the recommendation. Well where did get that information from?
Speaker 1: Probably from Lakisha or West. I'll throw out, I'll throw
Speaker 1: out another TV show. Uh, this is basketball a love story? UM.
Speaker 1: ESPN really ambitious, hyper ambitious. Dan Klarez Um was the
Speaker 1: mastermind behind it. He's done thirty thirties in the past
Speaker 1: for ESPN. But if you're an NBA fan, UM, this
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. It's a twenty hour series, sixty two short stories,
Speaker 1: and I have not gotten through all of it, but
Speaker 1: I've I've been watching. I've watched probably half of it
Speaker 1: now and UM, the um vignettes or the short stories
Speaker 1: on the first draft lottery, the dream Team, m J
Speaker 1: and Phil Jackson, the Lakers dynasty, and of the early
Speaker 1: two thousand's And the one that I really really enjoyed
Speaker 1: and cannot recommend enough is uh the study of the
Speaker 1: Decision the Lebron James disaster from two thousand ten, which
Speaker 1: really digs into the whole history of it. Even though
Speaker 1: ESPN was the major machine behind making it as obnoxious
Speaker 1: as it was, they pull no punches in breaking down
Speaker 1: what went wrong and why it was such a bad idea.
Speaker 1: And it also served as a reminder that, um, even
Speaker 1: if you're Lebron James, you can make horrible mistakes in
Speaker 1: your early to mid twenties. And they have Lebron James,
Speaker 1: they can get every big basketball name involved that you
Speaker 1: can imagine, other than really m J to speak on
Speaker 1: camera for the series. So let me think, Oh, I
Speaker 1: wish the NFL had something that was this dynamic. So
Speaker 1: a Basketball Loves Story. I'm sure ESPN is re airing
Speaker 1: it and it should be landing on streaming services at
Speaker 1: some point if it's not already there. That is my suggestion.
Speaker 1: Why contemn J did not It was not unwilling to
Speaker 1: be part of this. I mean he's m J. He
Speaker 1: was either probably held a grudge against Claraz or just
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. Because they're doing aren't they
Speaker 1: doing a huge, huge like O j le They are
Speaker 1: doing Jordan's one, and so maybe he's sort of committed
Speaker 1: in trying to screw everyone else to that. I've been
Speaker 1: looking forward to this one, and um, I I noticed that,
Speaker 1: like you said, just breath breathlessly ambitious to do that much.
Speaker 1: My one concern was how much new stuff are we getting?
Speaker 1: Is it just a lot of hashed over stuff? I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of stuff is gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: the Dream Team for instance, We've heard about that a
Speaker 1: million times, but it's done in such a really um
Speaker 1: well done way in terms of the amount of effort,
Speaker 1: the people that they talked to, Um, it's just you
Speaker 1: could tell is a project that took years to accomplish,
Speaker 1: and the guy has enough context to get all the
Speaker 1: people that were involved on the record talking about it
Speaker 1: looking back and you're going to check out that. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Um alright, thanks, all right, Mark, close us out.
Speaker 1: Mine is falls into the book category box. There we go.
Speaker 1: And I one thing about living in Los Angeles is
Speaker 1: that I love true crime, and l A is underrated
Speaker 1: on that front compared to I think sometimes people just
Speaker 1: think it's New York and Chicago with the mafia and
Speaker 1: whatever else is happening. But l A has some incredible
Speaker 1: that l is the best for. I don't think I
Speaker 1: knew that before I moved here, but there are You
Speaker 1: can drive down any street in the city and uh,
Speaker 1: there's history attached to it, and it's the mix of
Speaker 1: crime mixed with Hollywood to all of it is a
Speaker 1: bizarre cocktail. And yesterday was the seventy second anniversary of
Speaker 1: the uh Black Dahlia murder. Elizabeth Short was her name,
Speaker 1: And I am not seventy two years old, and I
Speaker 1: would not do such a thing, but I will say,
Speaker 1: whoever that lady is, it sounds like fantastic. Well. Um,
Speaker 1: this book that I have read, I read partially and
Speaker 1: I've circled back and finished it, called The Black Dalue Avenger,
Speaker 1: is written by a decades long retired l A police
Speaker 1: detective who covered some of the biggest cases ever and
Speaker 1: rose up through the ranks and had a father. His
Speaker 1: name was Steve Hodel and he had a father named
Speaker 1: George Hodel, doctor George Hodel, who was like a child
Speaker 1: genius who like, at age sixteen was henning insane columns
Speaker 1: for the Old l A not even the La Times,
Speaker 1: whatever else it was the l A Mirror or something,
Speaker 1: and he would ride around in the night and cover
Speaker 1: crime and wrote these incredible vignettes and then just dropped
Speaker 1: it and became like a doctor and then would drop
Speaker 1: that and become something else. He was like, he couldn't
Speaker 1: stay with anything for long. And Steve Hoddell, after his
Speaker 1: father's death, learned through various other family members, um and
Speaker 1: I won't get too deep into it, but also through
Speaker 1: records and research that his father and this is the
Speaker 1: biggest unsolved case in l A history, the Black Dahlia Murder,
Speaker 1: that he is convinced and it's not just you know,
Speaker 1: his mind just thinking this out of than air, that
Speaker 1: his father was the Black Dahlia murderer. And the book
Speaker 1: I went in, I was, I'm gonna be super like
Speaker 1: suspicious going in because no one solved this thing. There
Speaker 1: are now because because the l A p D will
Speaker 1: not allow anyone to be named the killer because it
Speaker 1: was an embarrassment to the l A. P D for
Speaker 1: so long. But there are multiple retired policemen and multiple
Speaker 1: retired like district attorneys who basically say case Saw and
Speaker 1: if you're into this stuff, read this book. It is
Speaker 1: incredible how he paints it. But it's not just that
Speaker 1: he goes on to trace him to stuff when he
Speaker 1: lived in Chicago and stuffed up in the Bay Area
Speaker 1: that has elements of the zodiac because he lived also
Speaker 1: that time. There is so many commonalities that you kind
Speaker 1: of think, oh, there's all these millions of these people
Speaker 1: out there doing this. That's sometimes it's not millions of people,
Speaker 1: and it is. It is a book that very few
Speaker 1: books has scared me. There is one. This is one
Speaker 1: of them where I had to put it down because
Speaker 1: it got into my head a little too much because
Speaker 1: it's it's happening right here in l A. It's a
Speaker 1: great read. Oh my god, Mark, stop it. That's a
Speaker 1: ringing endorsement. Mark. If Mark has to put the book down,
Speaker 1: I want to pick it up. I love the soundclips
Speaker 1: that sounds like it sounds like a little thing on
Speaker 1: the back of the book, a little sleeve. All right,
Speaker 1: there you go. That's our content. Ingestion update for January
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. That's uh it for today's show. Yes
Speaker 1: Again Live show. Thursday night is Super Bowl Week in
Speaker 1: Atlanta at the City Winery. UM, come join us. We'll
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun stuff planned for the show already and more to come.
Speaker 1: So check that out and we'll be back tomorrow Thursday
Speaker 1: with our Championship Sunday preview. There's only three games left
Speaker 1: in the season and we're gonna preview two of them
Speaker 1: on tomorrow's show, so check that out. Stan handsas stand
Speaker 1: hands a signing off for the cam. He's gonna take
Speaker 1: over the world for a quiet storm. The mail Man,
Speaker 1: the Old Boss, and the Melina Man, the magic Man
Speaker 1: behind the Glass. He's got a plan.