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Speaker 1: I am extremely excited that Peter Gidrion, who was seen
Speaker 1: in the Chris Bell documentary A Leaf of Faith about
Speaker 1: creat Um. I mistakenly said Mark Bell a few episodes ago.
Speaker 1: I think Mark is his brother who's featured in pretty
Speaker 1: much all his documentaries. But Chris Bell is a documentary filmmaker. Um,
Speaker 1: before we get to him. Biggest news is the suicide bomber,
Speaker 1: which is being covered at the news rep dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and mon Beach yesterday it was uh, you know, ostensibly
Speaker 1: isis although it's you know, these groups all kind of
Speaker 1: like run together at a certain point, but probably it
Speaker 1: was isis Um and they hit a restaurant in mon
Speaker 1: bees and in northern Syria the Kurdish held areas, and
Speaker 1: it uh, it killed one Green Beret. Um. There were
Speaker 1: three other American fatalities. UM. My understanding was one was
Speaker 1: an interpreter. One was an intel guy and the other
Speaker 1: with civil affairs. And then there were also additionally two
Speaker 1: guys who were wounded UM and both of them were
Speaker 1: Green Berets as I was told to the two w
Speaker 1: I A s. So that was pretty horrific. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: we lost four people yesterday. As some of you probably saw,
Speaker 1: footage emerged of this UM very interesting helicopter that flew
Speaker 1: in and evac the casualties. UM. Appears it was probably
Speaker 1: one of the clandestine helicopters that UM Jaysack has at
Speaker 1: their disposal. UM. So some information came out about that also,
Speaker 1: but we're just we're still reporting on that and covering that. UM.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, from my perspective, the timing
Speaker 1: is not an accident. ISIS wants us there. They want
Speaker 1: to keep us there. You know, Trump is trying to
Speaker 1: withdraw it appears from Syria even though we're seesawing on that.
Speaker 1: But it does seem that he wants to pull us
Speaker 1: out of there. Uh. These groups like ISIS and al
Speaker 1: Qaeda there there stated strategy in many cases is to
Speaker 1: bait us into attacking them. That's why a lot of
Speaker 1: Taliban elements in Afghanistan rebranded themselves as isis Is to
Speaker 1: keep us there because they as long as we're there,
Speaker 1: they can claim some sort of legitimacy by saying we're
Speaker 1: fighting these foreigners, these outsiders trying to colonize our country.
Speaker 1: You know, we're fighting the West, we're fighting imperialism, we're
Speaker 1: fighting the Christian Crusaders or whatever the fuck um bullshit
Speaker 1: stories they want to spend. So it's it's it behooves
Speaker 1: these terrorist organizations to bait America in and keep us there,
Speaker 1: and when we leave, they have less legitimacy because now
Speaker 1: they're just fighting their fellow Muslims, their fellow Arabs, um.
Speaker 1: And that's how I would perceive that attack, that they
Speaker 1: were trying to send a message, no Isis is not dead,
Speaker 1: don't go running away quite yet. Obviously, some really unfortunate
Speaker 1: news and really sad news, um. But what you're saying
Speaker 1: on foreign policy actually is reminding me of something I
Speaker 1: took a screenshot of and I forgot all about it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you reminded me of kind of the
Speaker 1: infighting going on in the Republican Party over um foreign
Speaker 1: policy right now. In that fighting over everything right now, Well,
Speaker 1: I saw that Rand Paul tweeted, he was like, you
Speaker 1: own and Rand Paul was not exactly a Donald Trump
Speaker 1: then when he was running for president, but he was like,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is keeping his campaign promises. We need to
Speaker 1: declare victory in these areas, um, you know, basically that
Speaker 1: type of thing. And then I saw and I think
Speaker 1: you're probably not going to agree with this, But a
Speaker 1: former guest of the podcast, Dan Crenshaw, tweeted at Rand Paul,
Speaker 1: at Rand Paul is giving the president bad advice. There
Speaker 1: are those of there are those of us who have
Speaker 1: sacrificed for our nation who know the importance of this
Speaker 1: terrorist threat and the need to stay vigilant. We go
Speaker 1: there so they don't come here. It's that simple. It's
Speaker 1: really not that simple, though. I mean, these are very
Speaker 1: complicated countries, and we're waiting into cultures and conflicts that
Speaker 1: we don't we're not really stakeholders in, and the local
Speaker 1: population knows that, and we don't necessarily understand the drivers
Speaker 1: for these conflicts. And even if we do, we're certainly
Speaker 1: not prepared to address them. I mean, we're not going
Speaker 1: to stay there and institute some of Marshall plan for Syria.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like We're gonna rehabilitate that place
Speaker 1: like we did to Berlin after World War Two. Like,
Speaker 1: get fucking serious here. Um, So yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to disagree with Dan. And but I mean
Speaker 1: Dan also did not really elaborate too much there. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's a very blanch statement. I was going to
Speaker 1: add to this too. So that was a post on
Speaker 1: Twitter because I realized I remembered there was more to it.
Speaker 1: This was. I mean, it's not much more, but this
Speaker 1: was the caption he wrote for that, you know, screenshott
Speaker 1: post on Instagram which is at Dan Cranshaw t X.
Speaker 1: Thus far, the President has found the right balance for
Speaker 1: our wars, avoid nation building while keeping a special operations
Speaker 1: presence to maintain pressure on a very much alive enemy.
Speaker 1: Please do not veer from this course, Mr President. Our
Speaker 1: troops sacrifices must not be in vain. Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure it's so much Donald Trump's position. I think he
Speaker 1: inherited these wars. I don't think he feels any obligation
Speaker 1: to sustain them because you know it's Donald Trump. You know,
Speaker 1: he was the outsider. He ran on that. Um, he
Speaker 1: never made these he was not a politician previously to this,
Speaker 1: so he wasn't making these decisions like let's invade this
Speaker 1: country to that country. So I don't think he feels
Speaker 1: um morally or ideologically tethered to these wars in the
Speaker 1: same way. Um that maybe somebody like you know, a
Speaker 1: George Bush or a Bill Clinton might um. But that said,
Speaker 1: I think Trump inherited these wars, and he is to
Speaker 1: some extent a victim of the institution he works for.
Speaker 1: He's a president, he's not a dictator, and I think
Speaker 1: he would pull us out if he could. But he's
Speaker 1: finding out what a quagmire that is. Yeah. And also
Speaker 1: when I read that caption, it's one of those strange
Speaker 1: things because Dan Crenshaw is a guy who's fought in
Speaker 1: these wars. Dan Crenshaw is a guy who nearly made
Speaker 1: the ultimate sacrifice. He lost his eye. And you know,
Speaker 1: it does make wonder from that perspective, is it, you know,
Speaker 1: was the idea of was it's all done in vain?
Speaker 1: That that hits home? Well, I mean that's the sunk
Speaker 1: cost fallacy, the idea that we have already poured so
Speaker 1: much into it, so we need to keep pouring more
Speaker 1: and more into it. I mean, it's like Vietnam, you know,
Speaker 1: just keep sending more and more troops and in the
Speaker 1: end it's a strategic defeat. Anyway, do how many American
Speaker 1: lives do we keep throwing away on a hopeless endeavor?
Speaker 1: At some point you have to make the mature decision.
Speaker 1: Even though we served in this conflict, um, Dan and
Speaker 1: I both did. We both have you know, our hearts,
Speaker 1: our hearts in it. We we know our blood, sweat
Speaker 1: and tears invested in it. Um. But how many generations
Speaker 1: of future Americans do we condemned to the same fate
Speaker 1: simply because we we have trouble letting go? You know?
Speaker 1: You know It's kind of interesting to me is that
Speaker 1: Dan Cranshaw's position, at least from that tweet and Instagram post,
Speaker 1: is actually I think almost the opposite of a guy
Speaker 1: like Mark Boyott, who we had on who's like, we
Speaker 1: need to nation Bill that I feel like that was
Speaker 1: a position we need to stay there for several generations. Um.
Speaker 1: But in the same way, we've had a presence and
Speaker 1: in other places, and Dan Crenshaw is saying we need
Speaker 1: to be there, but we don't need the nation, right,
Speaker 1: which means the problem goes on forever because these insurgencies
Speaker 1: will go on forever until the local issues are resolved.
Speaker 1: Issues of corruption, poverty, all all of these things that
Speaker 1: involved the nation state has to resolve or at least
Speaker 1: attempt to address for people. So if you're not going
Speaker 1: to resolve those issues, that just means the insurgency goes
Speaker 1: on indefinitely. So my question for someone like Dan Crenshaw
Speaker 1: would be, what is America's national interests in each of
Speaker 1: these countries where we have troops deployed, and what is that?
Speaker 1: What is your strategy, what is your plan, and what
Speaker 1: is the end game that you're hoping to accomplish? Here um,
Speaker 1: and by the way, here us this on the podcast
Speaker 1: with us. You know, it's been a while since I
Speaker 1: heard it before making that best of, But while I
Speaker 1: was making the Best of, uh, you know, he made
Speaker 1: the same exact argument with you. And when you said,
Speaker 1: like how long do we stay? There? Are we there forever?
Speaker 1: And I remember Dan's responsors like, yeah, we've got a
Speaker 1: presence in Germany, We've had a presence in Japan. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's a little it's a little different, though, is that
Speaker 1: I would agree where you have stable first world nations
Speaker 1: with experiences in governance and democracy and freedom and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff, all that jazz and and and well
Speaker 1: developed countries like Korea, Japan and Germany. And we have
Speaker 1: formed an international partnership or an alliance to work with
Speaker 1: one another. Okay, that's one thing, But occupying by force
Speaker 1: foreign countries in the Middle East and with this sort
Speaker 1: of haphazard strategy like maybe we'll stay there for five
Speaker 1: hundred years and they'll turn into a Jeffersonian democracy, Like
Speaker 1: that's not a strategy, Like we need We owe it
Speaker 1: to ourselves in our country and we owe it to
Speaker 1: our troops to offer something better than that. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I see that we've connected actually with Peter's wife, Kelly
Speaker 1: on on Skype. I think it'll just be Peter on
Speaker 1: with us, but although they're both the co founder of
Speaker 1: this organization, both Air Force vets, so let's get right
Speaker 1: into it. On with us is Peter Gidrey, former Security Forces,
Speaker 1: Air Force airman and co founder of Forgotten Not Gone,
Speaker 1: which is a veteran for purpose organization out of Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Their mission is to stomp out veterans suicide and find
Speaker 1: alternative therapy for veterans. UH The other co founder of
Speaker 1: Forgotten Not Gone is Peter's wife, Kelly, also former Air Force.
Speaker 1: We just got to speak to for a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes before bringing on Peter. Um. The main thing I
Speaker 1: really want to get into today is creat him because
Speaker 1: the way that I became familiar with you was from
Speaker 1: the documentary A Leaf of Faith, that Chris Bell documentary. Um.
Speaker 1: But before we do, I would love to just get
Speaker 1: into your background in the Air Force and where it
Speaker 1: all began. Yeah, went in the Air Force. It was
Speaker 1: just a childhood dream. Both of my grandfather served and
Speaker 1: a few of my uncles served in the military, and
Speaker 1: so I had the privilege of being a Security Forces
Speaker 1: member and that's where I met my beautiful wife. She
Speaker 1: did Security Forces as well, and that's how initially everything
Speaker 1: just started from our our military service. But during that
Speaker 1: whole process, I had got injured, you know, doing that
Speaker 1: that line of work, and my after care of you know,
Speaker 1: leaving the military, that's when things starting to spiral out
Speaker 1: of control. And that's where you know, brings us to
Speaker 1: today and the story behind that. And could you tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about your injuries? Well, uh, security Forces.
Speaker 1: So my primary specialty in beginning with an M sixty
Speaker 1: machine gunner, and we worked in the restricted areas guarding
Speaker 1: the Priority A resources, nuclear weapons of the nature, and
Speaker 1: so just the day to day grind carrying a forty
Speaker 1: four pound weapon rucksack, the different things that was detailed.
Speaker 1: Your knees break down, your back from that experience, Uh
Speaker 1: my door and dirt car can't even pronounce it. Uh.
Speaker 1: My internal system was all throwing off the hormone levels
Speaker 1: and things like that. But my body just spired out
Speaker 1: of control. And all I ever got, uh during the
Speaker 1: military service, was narcotics to be able to deal with
Speaker 1: the disabilities. I didn't get you know, physical therapy, rehab,
Speaker 1: things of that nature. And so I started having side
Speaker 1: effects from the actual medicine as well, start throwing up
Speaker 1: blood and literally I just started getting sicker and sicker
Speaker 1: for a period of time until you know, finding crowdile
Speaker 1: and how do you get hooked up with Chris Bell
Speaker 1: when he started this documentary. One of our actually our
Speaker 1: neighbors who has urban Ice owns that company, Mr Kelly Dunn.
Speaker 1: You know, he had saw our nonprofit in his same
Speaker 1: ability where we were running our nonprofit out in nor
Speaker 1: Fellows days and he just always saw us riding their bikes.
Speaker 1: And one day he got locked out of his place
Speaker 1: and he ended up knocking on our door, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I end up telling him he saw the products,
Speaker 1: and end up telling him I was taking that, and
Speaker 1: he told me he was the owner, and it was
Speaker 1: just it was just a blessing to be able to
Speaker 1: meet him. But just the way we met him was just, uh,
Speaker 1: it was weird. Just again he got locked out of
Speaker 1: his house. But from from that period of time, I
Speaker 1: was able to meet the owner of organic Ice and
Speaker 1: I was already taking his product a year prior to that.
Speaker 1: And so since that point he started donating to our
Speaker 1: our local veterans. Uh, the Urban Ice Organics has been
Speaker 1: given us a lot of free samples for our veterans
Speaker 1: to try. And uh two years later, that's how that
Speaker 1: documentary you know came to be. Was that initial meeting,
Speaker 1: I was doing a little bit of research myself because
Speaker 1: I had never heard of creatim until Ian was telling
Speaker 1: me about it. Actually, I was wondering if you could
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what that actually is,
Speaker 1: because it correct me if I'm wrong. It comes from
Speaker 1: a leaf from a plant out of Thailand, right, yes, sir, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's just a natural product. You know, they capitalize it.
Speaker 1: The particular brand that I take is triple tested, and
Speaker 1: that was the difference of some of the other brands
Speaker 1: that you may have. You heard about some of the
Speaker 1: people other people that are you know, buying in bulk
Speaker 1: the same product, you know, they're making out of their basement,
Speaker 1: you know, and had some contaminants of things of that nature.
Speaker 1: But because it's because it's completely unregulated, right, isn't that
Speaker 1: the reason why some people are just making it left
Speaker 1: and right? Yeah, just like you know many other natural selplements,
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna order in bulk and repackage them
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. But the particular one that
Speaker 1: we have, and with the leap of faith that I've
Speaker 1: been taking, is actually in the laboratory, you know, pharmaceutical.
Speaker 1: Then it comes already packaged to the company. So nobody's
Speaker 1: actually making it in their house or you know, at
Speaker 1: a local store. Since you're based out of Vegas. Is
Speaker 1: this like a big thing there right now? Because I
Speaker 1: could tell you in here in New York, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to see a few um gas stations here and there
Speaker 1: that's that's say like we sell create them, but it's
Speaker 1: far and few between. However, when I was in South Florida,
Speaker 1: you cannot go anywhere without seeing Kaba bars, which is
Speaker 1: you know, based out of cretum and create um. And
Speaker 1: I think it's because unfortunately, that is like the place
Speaker 1: that people go to to recover from opioid addiction, and
Speaker 1: you know, they're looking for any alternative they could find.
Speaker 1: Is has it caught on in Vegas? It still knew,
Speaker 1: you know how, I actually admit it was a local company.
Speaker 1: It's called Pure Health mom and pop stores probably square
Speaker 1: foot place and they had to display there. So I
Speaker 1: wasn't a person to go to a smoke shop or
Speaker 1: anything of that nature. And so I made it through
Speaker 1: a regular you know, supplement store of you know what
Speaker 1: five years ago now when I start taking it. But
Speaker 1: the same people that a MoMA pop team they work
Speaker 1: owns that store. They taught me about juicing prior to that.
Speaker 1: So I learned about the Gershon juicing that helped me
Speaker 1: stop throwing up the blood and help me start bouncing
Speaker 1: back for these disabilities that I had. So I entrusted
Speaker 1: them to least, you know, try the crowdam from the
Speaker 1: from the beginning, because they had helped me with some
Speaker 1: other disabilities I was working through. But to expand on that,
Speaker 1: because I was asking what creedum is, but I still
Speaker 1: don't really understand, like why would you take it? Like
Speaker 1: what's it do? That's a natural pain reliever, basically the
Speaker 1: same type of category you were saying as pain relief
Speaker 1: and maybe as an asker into that nature. But like
Speaker 1: for myself, I had g I issues and so all
Speaker 1: the other medicine they were given me was caused me
Speaker 1: to throw a blood even further. And again that's why
Speaker 1: I wasspired out of control. So the crowdam is allowed
Speaker 1: me to come off the oxy code on all that
Speaker 1: zombie dope and now I'm just getting ahold of my
Speaker 1: pain just enough to be able to use my recome
Speaker 1: and trike and then get that release that I need
Speaker 1: to get. You know, I'm really angry a lot of
Speaker 1: times because I'm just like when I woke up this
Speaker 1: morning having the sciatic pain I'm having his spasms, took
Speaker 1: to Crowdham pills. It was uh just enough just to
Speaker 1: relieve that burden for me so I could start moving
Speaker 1: forward my life. And that's what Cradham has been for me,
Speaker 1: just that that that little bit of hope to you know,
Speaker 1: allow me to get out the house without that that
Speaker 1: deadening effect that comes with opio opiates. I suppose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the actual particular one I take, I got behind me, uh,
Speaker 1: the Magda one this is has a little bit of
Speaker 1: energy behind this particular bloin right here. But this is
Speaker 1: my favorite strand. And like I said, Pure Health is
Speaker 1: originally who introduced me to this product before I knew
Speaker 1: about organic guys. It's just a regular mom and pop
Speaker 1: store here in Las Vegas. And so I assume you're
Speaker 1: on Creative right now as you're talking to us. You
Speaker 1: seem completely coherent. So it's not it's not something that
Speaker 1: gets you high. It's not. It's not, you know, like
Speaker 1: an arcotic or anything. No, far from it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it says kill the pain, not the patient, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole thing where we're educating as far
Speaker 1: as our nonprofit as well. We gotta educate our veterans
Speaker 1: better how to manage and better manage their pain. It
Speaker 1: doesn't always go away the actual physical pain. If you
Speaker 1: think about our Vietnam era veterans, Vietnam is fifty plus
Speaker 1: years ago. But those guys are still suffering from the
Speaker 1: same disabilities that they received back in the seventies, right,
Speaker 1: And so how do we help our veterans be able
Speaker 1: to maintain on a daily function without being drugged up
Speaker 1: on their narcotics? And like, in my instance, the same
Speaker 1: medicine they were giving me to control the spasms I'm having,
Speaker 1: it says right there it causes vomiting. So if I
Speaker 1: already have issues with vomiting blood, I mean literally I
Speaker 1: lost twenty pounds throwing up blood, why would you give
Speaker 1: me a medicine to control spasms? But I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: throwing up blood, you know? And it really and this
Speaker 1: is the first time since leaving the military, I was
Speaker 1: medically separating No. Two and who I found crowding with
Speaker 1: forgot had not gone. My life was absolute mess. And
Speaker 1: so that's what CRAWDA has done for me, not necessary
Speaker 1: worry about the pills so much. Is is what it's
Speaker 1: allowed me to actually do because now I'm controlling my
Speaker 1: pain a lot better. So what's crazy about the whole
Speaker 1: situation and and watching a leaf of faith, is that
Speaker 1: we're talking about this. This is a natural supplement. It
Speaker 1: doesn't get you high. It seems to be having a
Speaker 1: positive effect on people like yourself, and yet there are
Speaker 1: politicians that want to make this completely illegal. And it's
Speaker 1: it's confusing because from what I saw the documentary at least,
Speaker 1: and of course Chris is like an advocate of this,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna say it's a completely unbiased documentary.
Speaker 1: But there's I think one case of of that kid
Speaker 1: who committed suicide, what was on a plethora of other stuff,
Speaker 1: some antidepressants, and so it just unless there's you know,
Speaker 1: tons of documented stuff there there's people dying for more
Speaker 1: cigarettes alcohol, Like why it's my kind of mind bogging
Speaker 1: of why they would want to ban this completely unless
Speaker 1: it's just all about the government making more profit, um,
Speaker 1: you know, regulating it. I could understand, because as you're saying,
Speaker 1: people are making this in their basement, and the supplement industry,
Speaker 1: as we all know, it's very unregulated, so they could
Speaker 1: just mix this with all types of fillers and who
Speaker 1: knows what's in it. So that's why you got to
Speaker 1: go to a reputable source. But the idea of making
Speaker 1: it illegal, I really don't get. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: last time when they have made it a Schedule one
Speaker 1: UH control supplement a few years ago that within that
Speaker 1: same thirty days they had came out with some type
Speaker 1: of pharmaceutical product that had a component of the of
Speaker 1: crowdom in there. I guess just the difference is the
Speaker 1: fact that it's not FDA regulate so ian you know,
Speaker 1: doctors can't prescribe this. But if it's having positive effects,
Speaker 1: why why not have people tried this out before they
Speaker 1: get them on opioids or something. Sounds similar to the
Speaker 1: debates we've had about, you know, medical marijuana over the years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: except the only difference is it's not impairing you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I assume right now you can go ahead, drive a car,
Speaker 1: you know, do whatever you wanted you during your day
Speaker 1: on freedom and wouldn't be any different. You can follow
Speaker 1: our progress. We have a Strada app and you can
Speaker 1: see where we're riding in Las Vegas, where we're all
Speaker 1: over the place. I mean, we're literally we're controlling our pain.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we have some things
Speaker 1: we're embarrassed about and disabilities limitations. I want to move
Speaker 1: forward with my life though, I don't want to sit
Speaker 1: in a v a hospital talking about all things wrong
Speaker 1: with me. Crowding is allowing us to control the pain
Speaker 1: and get out the house, you know, And that's what
Speaker 1: it's all about. That's our actually slogan, get out the
Speaker 1: damn house. What are some of like the other stories
Speaker 1: you've seen, the veterans you're working with who have had
Speaker 1: a positive experience using it, well, our our local uh
Speaker 1: you know, teammates that ride with us, they use it
Speaker 1: as well. In the same stories. Particular, young lady had
Speaker 1: just posted on her social feed about it. We're leaving
Speaker 1: her mind grain headaches and she was depressed, you know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of doom and gloom stuff of story
Speaker 1: that she had. But the crowd Um has been able
Speaker 1: to help her. Now just finished, she just graduated you
Speaker 1: l V the college as a sociology degree and December
Speaker 1: over here. So I got a control over pain two
Speaker 1: years ago using Crowdham. Now graduating with your bachelor's going
Speaker 1: to your master's degree. That's what we need to do.
Speaker 1: We need to find solutions to help, you know, our veterans,
Speaker 1: but also our community move forward. And that's what Crowdham
Speaker 1: has been really able to do, has been able to
Speaker 1: help some of those people control the pain. That's causing
Speaker 1: you to want to, you know, inject yourself with heroin
Speaker 1: or something of that nature, and now you would find
Speaker 1: enough relief from the crowdham to worry. Hey, I don't
Speaker 1: need all these other self destructive measures I was fighting
Speaker 1: comfort in before. That sounds excellent to me. So let's
Speaker 1: get into your organization forgotten not gone, As you were saying,
Speaker 1: you guys are riding all over Vegas. What what? Because
Speaker 1: I've seen the videos. What exactly is that stuff that
Speaker 1: you guys ride? And it's it's interesting what they called
Speaker 1: velomo bills. Velimo bill recumbent trikes. So just like I'm
Speaker 1: sitting right now, you're in a recumbent position and so
Speaker 1: the pedals are actually in front of us. And so
Speaker 1: it allows me to overcome the spasms and the pain
Speaker 1: I have with my back because I'm sitting down. And
Speaker 1: then now I don't have to worry about my vision
Speaker 1: issues and things because I have three wills, so I'm safe.
Speaker 1: I'm secure in the bike. We have the shell on them.
Speaker 1: So even like it's raining right now, I'm getting outside,
Speaker 1: I got electric assists on the bike. So even when
Speaker 1: my knees go out, everything that's wrong with me I'm
Speaker 1: able to overcome that one pedal at a time, and
Speaker 1: as they're just incredible, uh bicycles and you so you
Speaker 1: guys ride around on the it's not just you like
Speaker 1: several people I guess have other you know, similar issues. Yes,
Speaker 1: so we're just we're a veteran peer support network, just
Speaker 1: fellow veterans serving one another. It's really just that simple.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you know, we we
Speaker 1: got a doom and gloom story to tell you, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to bore you. We're just moving forward
Speaker 1: right now. And this is how we're moving forward. To
Speaker 1: crowd them got me out of the bed, off the couch,
Speaker 1: the bike, and who was gave me something positive to
Speaker 1: do instead of you know, going to the local bar
Speaker 1: and self medicating. I would veterans all day long, we're
Speaker 1: riding bikes and this is the first time since leaving
Speaker 1: the military that it feels life feels like worth living
Speaker 1: another day. And what are you guys doing with forgotten
Speaker 1: not gone? You know, because I know it's a veterans organization?
Speaker 1: Five O one C three what exactly do you guys do?
Speaker 1: So we're actually moving up posts, have our grand opening
Speaker 1: of our new location on February three, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: be located right across the street from the North Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Airport at a commercial center run by a Army
Speaker 1: veteran over there. We won't hold that against are they
Speaker 1: still good people? But uh yeah, they were generous enough
Speaker 1: to give us a space in there so we could
Speaker 1: run our kids programs and have a meeting spot because
Speaker 1: since the last February we lost our original location that
Speaker 1: we've been in the operating now the last thirty months,
Speaker 1: and so we got over forty bikes right now, but
Speaker 1: they're stuffed away in shipping containers and we have to
Speaker 1: pull them out and you know what, they're transport them
Speaker 1: to the local parks to meet every body, which is
Speaker 1: a chore. And so we're just looking to expand this
Speaker 1: uh coming month, start getting our program to be able
Speaker 1: to have our weekly rides again. If you go to
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel Forgotten Not Gone Org, you can see
Speaker 1: it actually visually see us riding the bikes. We had
Speaker 1: something called our Saturday Night Survivor's Ride, and every Saturday
Speaker 1: night for over three years, we would meet up at
Speaker 1: the last location and whoever is riding that day Forgotten
Speaker 1: Not Gone provided a free recombing trite for that veteran
Speaker 1: or their family, and we get almost bikes. We go
Speaker 1: downtown Las Vegas instead of us necessarily going to bars
Speaker 1: and you know, having fun. We're right next to the bars,
Speaker 1: pedaling next to it. We're on Las Vegas Boulevard Freemont East.
Speaker 1: You know the same thing that tours come spending thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars to our community. See, we're able to experience
Speaker 1: that on our recombing trikes, just having fun and that's
Speaker 1: just the opposite of being depressed. We just keep it simple,
Speaker 1: you know, keep it simple, stupid. That's what they taught us, right,
Speaker 1: and I would assume with the logo you know, on
Speaker 1: all these bes, it also just raises awareness for the
Speaker 1: main cause, which is veteran suicide, which is alternative therapy
Speaker 1: for vets. And I would think people see that they
Speaker 1: want to get I mean, if I just saw you
Speaker 1: guys riding around on these trikes, I'd be like, what
Speaker 1: the heck is going on here? It raised his interest,
Speaker 1: that's right, and that's what's helped me overcome the labels
Speaker 1: at the v A placed on me. You know, when
Speaker 1: I went to like the war related Illness Center. They said,
Speaker 1: you've got PTSD and this and that. Uh, And just
Speaker 1: six months ago, I lost my mental health provider that
Speaker 1: I had for over, you know, three years. Just all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I showed up to my appointment. She
Speaker 1: no longer with the V anymore. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody at least called me or something. And so this
Speaker 1: new doctor I had to see over there and they're saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know you've got PTSD, you gotta take these pills.
Speaker 1: And uh, it was just a horrible experience just six
Speaker 1: months ago. And uh, you know, I praised the Lord
Speaker 1: and my wife was able to come to the next
Speaker 1: appointment and talk to her enable articulate a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But from that point, I want to say, may until today,
Speaker 1: I've just had some post traumatic growth. I would say
Speaker 1: I understand that those people over there, that's their best
Speaker 1: advice that they can give a veteran, and they that's
Speaker 1: the best advice because they didn't serve or do the
Speaker 1: things we do. What I need and what I experienced.
Speaker 1: Now in the last six months, I need to be
Speaker 1: around other veterans, and I'm around in a team of
Speaker 1: incredible veterans, people far better than me and everything, and
Speaker 1: they've inspired me to live another day. This is the
Speaker 1: actual therapy that I needed the whole time. I could
Speaker 1: have saved you know, ten fifteen years of doom and
Speaker 1: gloom stories had I been around the same type of
Speaker 1: veterans I am today, veteran peer support. That's what it's
Speaker 1: all about, veterans, servant veterans. I couldn't agree more. And
Speaker 1: I think we've always preached that on here. Um. The
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting with the documentary, and I do think
Speaker 1: people should see it. The Crisp Beled documentary Relief of Faith.
Speaker 1: Is that so he talks about And I followed all
Speaker 1: this guy's documentaries. I mean they're all amazing, but yeah,
Speaker 1: Trophy Kids was great. He Um. He talks about how
Speaker 1: previously when he did prescription, thought he was on all
Speaker 1: these opioids and he got off them during the making
Speaker 1: of this documentary and he had to, you know, go
Speaker 1: to the Malibu rehab center where he would usually visit
Speaker 1: and tell them, hey, I'm on creatum like, but I'm
Speaker 1: completely sober. Is this accepted here? And it's weird because
Speaker 1: a lot of people are unaware of what it is,
Speaker 1: so they can't really give their take on it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some people are like, hey, if it's helping you, that's great.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering when you go to the v A and
Speaker 1: you say, hey, I'm not going to take these pills,
Speaker 1: but I'm using creatum, Like, what's their response. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of backlash and using just any type of
Speaker 1: all from alternative therapy. You know, even though if we
Speaker 1: want to get into the topic of cannabis, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. They had a close mind. You know,
Speaker 1: if we put this label on you, you need to
Speaker 1: take these uh drugs as FDA approved, even though they're
Speaker 1: going to have side effects you're throwing up blood. You
Speaker 1: need to take it because their FDA approved, And if
Speaker 1: you don't take them, that means you're not disabled. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a challenge instead of helping these veterans
Speaker 1: again when they're getting out the military, we're just drugging
Speaker 1: them up. And that's just trying to bad medicine, Like
Speaker 1: across the board, that's just bad medicine. Yes, you have
Speaker 1: these negative side effects, and then they tell you all,
Speaker 1: if you stopped taking them, you're not disabled. Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1: It was the veteran peer support being around my fellow
Speaker 1: veterans that helped me live uh without the medicine. I've
Speaker 1: been around a lot of Vietnam mirror veterans, and I
Speaker 1: understand that they suffered worse than I've ever suffered. But
Speaker 1: because of that, I've I've been able to better manage
Speaker 1: my life because of that, and I'm just a huge
Speaker 1: opponent again of veteran peer support and again now I'm
Speaker 1: able to help other veterans, even educate them about the
Speaker 1: crowd them that they could find some relief. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna get high, We're not going to have a good time.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna promise you all this, you know pinus
Speaker 1: sky thing, but I can assure you that this is
Speaker 1: what I've done to come off all the zombie dope
Speaker 1: and to leave that worthless state of feelings that I
Speaker 1: felt so worthless about my life for so long. And
Speaker 1: you know, just being here in front of you guys today, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just filled with joy because that's what that Crawdham
Speaker 1: has been. Give me a little bit of hope physically
Speaker 1: now of all those drugs, and my mind is starting
Speaker 1: to come back. I can articulally words better. But prior
Speaker 1: to this I was stuttering I had. It was like
Speaker 1: retardation going on. It was just a horrible experience, you know,
Speaker 1: my life. Did your wife have any type of similar experience,
Speaker 1: because as we mentioned, she's an Air Force bet, she's
Speaker 1: the co founder of the organization um has creative helped her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, she found comfort in alcohol. So, and that's
Speaker 1: what we're understanding. Different people choose different self destructive measures.
Speaker 1: You know from my g I issues, I couldn't drink,
Speaker 1: so I didn't have that hurdle that I had overcome alcohol.
Speaker 1: But at that point, from she's leaving the military, having
Speaker 1: the things wrong with her, uh internally as well, that
Speaker 1: was damaged to her, she felt comfort and uh you
Speaker 1: know oxy code on things of the nature she got
Speaker 1: caught up in. Now that CREWDHAM does help, you know
Speaker 1: actually too for a lot of women should tell, especially
Speaker 1: when they're on their mentorals. That actually gives women a
Speaker 1: lot of relief in the stomach region all that and
Speaker 1: you know when you're taking some of the other medicine
Speaker 1: it calls this stomach irritation. But Crowdham has allow you
Speaker 1: to be able to give that relief. Well, the website
Speaker 1: is forgotten not gone dot org, which has a link
Speaker 1: to all the social media. If people are in the
Speaker 1: loss Vegas area, you know, it's interesting back actually is
Speaker 1: that I think next week is shot show, right, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would make sense. Yeah, I would think there'd be
Speaker 1: some vets who want to hook up with you guys,
Speaker 1: probably by the time this is up. But if people
Speaker 1: are in the area or live in the Vegas area,
Speaker 1: you know, um, how could they get hooked up with you?
Speaker 1: And also what do you have on the horizon? Well,
Speaker 1: moving into our new location to build out as happening
Speaker 1: as we speak. So February third is supposed to be
Speaker 1: the actual, uh you don't launch of the new location.
Speaker 1: We have three different veteran organizations in there. It's called
Speaker 1: the House of Fame Las Vegas, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing some great things for our community and we're
Speaker 1: just excited. We're expanding, getting a few more bikes, and
Speaker 1: we're expanding our our kids program and when that's what
Speaker 1: we're fighting as well. In order to be able to
Speaker 1: reach the veteran, you gotta take care of his family,
Speaker 1: and sometimes that veterans in a certain mindframe. But if
Speaker 1: you could help their family get out the house as
Speaker 1: well help their spouse. And that's what we do with
Speaker 1: our recoming trikes. Helped the whole family, and that's how
Speaker 1: it helped the veterans move forward. And and what is
Speaker 1: the kids program exactly. We have the same bicycles that
Speaker 1: we have the three wheels. They're they're just smaller versions,
Speaker 1: but they're recoming trikes. And we also have four wheel bikes.
Speaker 1: Were actually a burg bicycle dealer, so we have these
Speaker 1: far we got an Army Jeep model UH four wheel bicycle.
Speaker 1: We have one that fits actually up to a two
Speaker 1: fifty pound person to design for a kid. But it's
Speaker 1: fun when we take the kids bikes and we also
Speaker 1: race those as well. Kids love that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm always reminded, or at least it reminds me of
Speaker 1: when I was, you know, I remember getting it was
Speaker 1: either like a birthday present or a Hanuka President of
Speaker 1: the UH, the like miniature Jeep that I remember my
Speaker 1: grandpa got me. There was like video of me screaming,
Speaker 1: Pa got me the Jeep. It was it was like
Speaker 1: the greatest gift I ever got in my life. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a VHS somewhere like my parents house to that,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure like these kids love it. And then
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, I think kids understand
Speaker 1: more than we uh sometimes realize, and you can make
Speaker 1: them aware of like, hey, you know, this is what
Speaker 1: these guys do to sacrifice for our nation and guys
Speaker 1: who are amputees and all that there's a reason that
Speaker 1: they made that sacrifice and it's important to what kids
Speaker 1: know that that you know, there's people protecting our freedoms
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, and the kids they need to help,
Speaker 1: you know, when their dad's uh you know, working on
Speaker 1: themselves going to the different treatments or meetings that they
Speaker 1: need to overcome their disabilities. The kids gotta be somewhere.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't always bring your kids to the
Speaker 1: v A with you and go to your mental health appointment.
Speaker 1: But you know that's what we're doing here now. You know,
Speaker 1: you can bring your families over to us. We're a
Speaker 1: family organization. You'll see other veterans with their families and
Speaker 1: we're just working on overcoming our self luminity beliefs, and
Speaker 1: our disabilities. I also would assume if you're a veteran
Speaker 1: with uh, you know, who's predisposed or any of that
Speaker 1: to alcohol or you know, any substances like that, people
Speaker 1: would assume Vegas like not exactly the best place to live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that and and that's what you know, we all get
Speaker 1: caught up here when I was medically separated, instead of
Speaker 1: getting the help that I need, you find that help
Speaker 1: in the streets. And that's why we're aspiring out of control.
Speaker 1: That's why we're saying we're ground zero. You know, they
Speaker 1: say that we're Vegas Strong. They raised over twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars for that community when that incident happened. Right, look
Speaker 1: at our veteran community. We're dying daily. We're one of
Speaker 1: the highest suicide rates in the nation. Where's our where's
Speaker 1: our nonprofit? You know? A housing center? You know, we
Speaker 1: we don't have the resources we need at this point.
Speaker 1: We got a billion dollar h you know, a new hospital,
Speaker 1: but there's not even a swimming pool. Where can I
Speaker 1: go for aquatics therapy? Where where can I go? As
Speaker 1: far as personal training, rehabilitation to start overcoming these films,
Speaker 1: physical limitation, it just doesn't exist. Well, well said, Visit
Speaker 1: the website Forgotten not Gone dot org. It's got a
Speaker 1: link to all the social media on there. The YouTube
Speaker 1: so you could see you guys riding around and what
Speaker 1: it's all about. I don't know if you have anything else. Um,
Speaker 1: it's been good though, I mean it's it's been educational
Speaker 1: to hear about creative and to hear the testimony from you,
Speaker 1: and and it's just a positive story. I'm glad to
Speaker 1: see that you're doing well and that you diner off
Speaker 1: of all that, because there's way too many veterans we
Speaker 1: hear about. Who are you know, in a via hospital
Speaker 1: somewhere or not leaving bed or just you know when
Speaker 1: you see the guys on social media just honestly complaining
Speaker 1: all of that, and it's it's yeah, it's good to
Speaker 1: just for my own edifit actian to find out that
Speaker 1: there's this um alternative medicine, because when people come and
Speaker 1: ask me about it or get into conversations about it,
Speaker 1: I can point them in that direction as as maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that's something that can help them. Yes, certainly, I'm
Speaker 1: working on as we speak. I I just talked to
Speaker 1: the people that are Urban Nice last week, so I
Speaker 1: know they're coming out with a CBD blend. But I'm
Speaker 1: looking to a partner up and figure out how we
Speaker 1: can get something for our veteran community at a better
Speaker 1: pricing point, something that we can market on our website
Speaker 1: to our our our local veterans and make it more
Speaker 1: affordable and attainable for the guys as well. We give
Speaker 1: out samples now, but I like to be able to
Speaker 1: make it more affordable as well for our veterans though.
Speaker 1: And you know, last question, actually, you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like you have your bias because you're an advocate for this,
Speaker 1: but is there any experience you have of someone that
Speaker 1: you introduced to creative and they said this It just
Speaker 1: isn't for me. I know, you know personally haven't had it.
Speaker 1: But again we uh the way that we uh speak
Speaker 1: of Crawdham is in a different light, you know. Again,
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is for you know, over you know,
Speaker 1: four years now, I've taken two pills and rode my bike.
Speaker 1: I've experienced some joy in my life, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, I couldn't tell you that I didn't
Speaker 1: do that in an oxy code on I did some
Speaker 1: other self destructive measures on that, but this has allowed
Speaker 1: me to start getting some joy and some respect back
Speaker 1: in my life. And uh, I'm just grateful that been
Speaker 1: able to get access to a better quality of medicine. Now,
Speaker 1: have you ever gotten off of it for a little
Speaker 1: bit and said, hey, let me see if this is
Speaker 1: all just PU see about? Well, I don't have to
Speaker 1: take it every day. I usually reserve it for the
Speaker 1: actual times that I'm writing, and sometimes, like now, I've
Speaker 1: actually taken you know, four caps. At one time, I
Speaker 1: was real cautious and nurse you know about that, you know,
Speaker 1: hearing all the doom and gloom stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: even up to now, when I'm in a lot of pain,
Speaker 1: I'll take four caps and go ride my bike. But
Speaker 1: that's specifically when I'm taking medicine or I have to
Speaker 1: take it. I want to do something after that, you know.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people now, I know crowdam
Speaker 1: is now at the bodybuilding show Mr Olympia, they had
Speaker 1: a booth over there, and a lot of people start
Speaker 1: to use it as a pre workout. I guess you
Speaker 1: know that that's like the latest buzz, But I've been
Speaker 1: doing that four years ago. Just two pills and get
Speaker 1: on my bike and go ride with my fellow veterans.
Speaker 1: It's literally that simple. I've done the same thing over
Speaker 1: and over and here we are since November two thousand thirteen,
Speaker 1: so it's been a dream come true. Awesome man. Well
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on with us, and thanks to your
Speaker 1: wife for setting this up for us. And you know,
Speaker 1: if there's any advancements or anything going on in Vegas
Speaker 1: you want a lot us know about, feel free to
Speaker 1: get in touch anytime. All right, thank you guys for
Speaker 1: your time. I appreciate it. And uh made uh made
Speaker 1: a lord. Bless you guys, and have a wonderful day.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Peter. Thanks Peter, appreciate it. Keep the faith.
Speaker 1: That was good man. You know. Um, I was talking
Speaker 1: to Joe la Faith, who we just had on recently,
Speaker 1: and he heard me mentioned the creative thing on the show,
Speaker 1: so he was like, let's creative. I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about it, and he's like, I've been seeing it around
Speaker 1: ever since you mentioned it. I want to know more.
Speaker 1: And all I could say is like, oh, I saw
Speaker 1: the documentary, but I have no experience with it. I've
Speaker 1: never taken it. I can't speak of it positively or negatively.
Speaker 1: I'm aware that I saw a documentary of a guy
Speaker 1: who's an advocate for it. You know, if someone puts
Speaker 1: out a documentary for someone who's against it. I will
Speaker 1: watch that as well. But you really can't argue with
Speaker 1: a guy who, like as he said, it was on
Speaker 1: these opioids, was throwing up blood and it is now functioning,
Speaker 1: is active, is meeting with other veterans. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just hard to argue with. Well. I mean I made
Speaker 1: that comparison to you know, medical marijuana, because the same
Speaker 1: thing is that marijuana can be used medicinally to help
Speaker 1: people have conditions who are adversely effects by taking pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 1: So I mean this is something to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe, uh, you know, instead of taking painkillers
Speaker 1: or some thing, maybe this is an option. I don't know. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: But the crazy thing that he said is the idea
Speaker 1: that the v A say, oh, well, you're no longer
Speaker 1: a disabled better and if you're finding alternative ways to
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's the case, I mean that that's
Speaker 1: fucking criminal. That's so wrong it's it's not even funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe we could investigate that further. I mean that sounds
Speaker 1: like a good investigative piece to me, because that that
Speaker 1: definitely makes I doubt I doubt they would fess up
Speaker 1: to that. Um, if that's what a v A councilor said.
Speaker 1: But if there's other guys out there with Peter's experience
Speaker 1: or people that he could refer us to, uh, you
Speaker 1: know and kind of validate that this is happening widespread,
Speaker 1: then that's certainly an issue. Yeah. I mean I had
Speaker 1: the when I went to VA for the first time
Speaker 1: actually to get treated for lines disease UM, because I
Speaker 1: caught lines UM not long after I came out of
Speaker 1: the army, and UM, there's a mandatory meeting you have
Speaker 1: to have with a social worker and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: really okay. So I went in had this meeting with
Speaker 1: her and she was all like, how did you feel
Speaker 1: the first time you took a man's life? And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm done here, Like I'm not. Like it was just
Speaker 1: too much. She thought I was like fucking Johnny Rambo
Speaker 1: or something um, And that kind of turned me off
Speaker 1: to v A for quite a while. I've heard similar
Speaker 1: stories from other people who are veterans of actually kind
Speaker 1: of the the opposite type of thing. There's a guy
Speaker 1: who's a the son of a family friend of mine
Speaker 1: who was former military and he had to go to
Speaker 1: some therapy and he from what I heard, I was
Speaker 1: talking to his father, you know, they he was around
Speaker 1: with these other guys talking about their issues, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I can't relate to these people, like they
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything near what I've seen. But then eventually
Speaker 1: he went to another therapy group and someone talked about
Speaker 1: killing a kid while in combat, and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I've never done anything like that, but at least like
Speaker 1: these people have an idea of what yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were in the ship. Um. Well, and I mean
Speaker 1: when I did, I did give v A another chance,
Speaker 1: uh and went and talked to the shrink at the
Speaker 1: Manhattan Via office here, and um, when I told her
Speaker 1: that story about my first experience of the Social worker VA,
Speaker 1: she was like horrified. She's like, oh my god. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but but things went much better the second time around.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the CEO of this company, Brandon Wabe,
Speaker 1: like he's talked about that yoga has helped him out
Speaker 1: for his back problems. You know, I see guys at
Speaker 1: the gym pretty regularly where I go who are amputees.
Speaker 1: I have no idea if their former military. I haven't
Speaker 1: really talked about it. But you know, they maybe if
Speaker 1: there's anything that's going to help you out, you know,
Speaker 1: that's not an opioid, that's not physically addictive, that's that's
Speaker 1: not claiming the wife of people every day. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: all for it. Whatever you want to do, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: worth giving it a shot. See if it works for you.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a tremendous amount of back pain
Speaker 1: when I came out of the military those first couple
Speaker 1: of years, and um, I went to the caropractor once
Speaker 1: a week for a year maybe, and then and then
Speaker 1: some more off and on the next year or two,
Speaker 1: and um, I don't really have any problems anymore. That's great.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you got to find out what works
Speaker 1: for you, what's going to get you where you need
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, and uh, as I said, I've never
Speaker 1: tried this, but at least from what I've seen, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything negative that could happen. I'm certainly
Speaker 1: not convinced that, um, you know, a suicide of a
Speaker 1: guy who was taking creative was necessarily connected. I mean,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of when I was a teenager and
Speaker 1: they put me on accutane for acne and I had
Speaker 1: just signed some release about that this causes like suicidal thoughts,
Speaker 1: and it was because one kid in college who was
Speaker 1: taking an accutane and killed himself. I certainly didn't feel
Speaker 1: any different. Well, taking correlation is not causation, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: But if someone has a successful lawsuit, then you know,
Speaker 1: everybody taking this drug now is to sign a release
Speaker 1: for him because just to cover their asses. And you know,
Speaker 1: this morning I was watching to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of research prior to this UM, I was watching uh
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan podcast where they're talking about creat um and
Speaker 1: they're saying, like, like, the creatum is not going to
Speaker 1: kill you. You know, it's not dangerous in that regard
Speaker 1: for sure, UM. But the the guy he had on
Speaker 1: the guest he was saying, he's like, you know, when
Speaker 1: we set that bar, like will it kill you or not?
Speaker 1: He's like, man, every anything can kill you. Like you
Speaker 1: can die having sex, you can die taking a crap.
Speaker 1: You get you get to the same point. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess if you fucking kicks back and smokes create
Speaker 1: um or pops create um pills for a week straight
Speaker 1: and did nothing else, But I mean, maybe it would
Speaker 1: kill you. I don't know. I mean, who knows. YEA
Speaker 1: marijuana can't it can't physically kill you. So he was
Speaker 1: actually actually brought that up and he said, for marijuana
Speaker 1: to kill you, you you would have to smoke your own
Speaker 1: weight in marijuana. So it's just not physically possible. No
Speaker 1: one's ever overdoes it's not. It's not going to kill you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm just glad to bring awareness, uh you
Speaker 1: know about this issue. Speaking to Joe Rogan, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear Mike Tyson on the Joe Rogan podcast.
Speaker 1: Is that he's having him. Yeah, he's been teasing that
Speaker 1: out and I'm excited to hear Mike Tyson on his podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to hear Kanye West on his podcast.
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson has fucking crazy stories. I read his book.
Speaker 1: It was it was an experience. So even remember when
Speaker 1: he I think maybe he went on Howard Stern and
Speaker 1: he was talking about prison sex. Yes, he did talk
Speaker 1: about there was a teacher there that he was like
Speaker 1: banging and when they have that, when the guests the
Speaker 1: visitors come and they don't check you for cratchlets panties,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy fuck. And Mike Tyson was like
Speaker 1: treated like a celebrity in jail, so he got away
Speaker 1: with ships. Um. But if you're if you watch that
Speaker 1: documentary and it's on Netflix as well, Tyson, it's a
Speaker 1: really good documentary. I would uh, I would definitely recommend it.
Speaker 1: But the crazier stuff happened to him after that documentary. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's just had a string of some
Speaker 1: bad walking and a lot of poor decision making. But
Speaker 1: remember his his young daughter I think, who was probably
Speaker 1: maybe four years old, Um, getting choked by the extinction
Speaker 1: cord on a treadmill and dying. Shit. That was shortly
Speaker 1: after that documentary. So it's just like it was one
Speaker 1: thing after the other for Jesus Christ. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: seems like a you know, for a guy who was
Speaker 1: so violent and so aggressive, and you know, people have
Speaker 1: their opinion on on whether he is a rapist or
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he went to jail. He was convicted,
Speaker 1: but he was certainly, without a doubt, like a sexually
Speaker 1: aggressive guy. He would say that himself in his book, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and inappropriate he's he he doesn't he proclaims
Speaker 1: his innocence, but he's definitely a very overly aggressive guy
Speaker 1: in that manner if you see him now and in
Speaker 1: interviews he seems to have gone like the completely other directions.
Speaker 1: He was like very peaceful guy. He doesn't if it's
Speaker 1: actually why I suggest all you watched the documentary. I
Speaker 1: hope I'm not uh ruining anything here. I guess if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen this, he could. This might be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a spoiler alert. But they show his
Speaker 1: last fight and his interview after, and you know, he
Speaker 1: he gets beat by some like basically an amateure no
Speaker 1: one's ever heard of, and they're doing the post interview
Speaker 1: fight and he's just like, yeah, I don't have it
Speaker 1: in me anymore. I did this strictly for the money.
Speaker 1: I have some bills to pay. I don't have the
Speaker 1: fight in me anymore. You know, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this anymore. It's it's embarrassing for the sport.
Speaker 1: And it's like you almost watch just a guy be this,
Speaker 1: you know, admittedly like complete animal too. This that's like
Speaker 1: a level of honesty you don't see though, Like you
Speaker 1: don't see like UFC fighters today or boxers today, like
Speaker 1: just come out and say ship like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I mean, the guy has made
Speaker 1: between having a manager, Don King, who at least according him,
Speaker 1: stole a great deal of his money. Um, and he
Speaker 1: talks about like in his book, like literally throwing him
Speaker 1: out of a limo, like imagine physically like while the
Speaker 1: limo's driving. Um. But between that and then also living
Speaker 1: a ridiculously extravagant life where he's like, I want to
Speaker 1: buy a tiger. I want to buy this from my
Speaker 1: like ship that no one else would even think of buying.
Speaker 1: Who was the other boxer you tell me about? Who?
Speaker 1: Like people on Instagram would be like, why don't you
Speaker 1: go to Dubai, bro? And he'll just get on a
Speaker 1: plane and go. I'm trying, I don't know a super
Speaker 1: famous guy he fought many was that you're telling Mayweather? Mayweather? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather? Uh wasn't it you though? Telling me that?
Speaker 1: Like he's like just like his fans on Instagram will
Speaker 1: be like, oh, why don't you go to you know
Speaker 1: this country of that country? And he'll get on his
Speaker 1: private plane and go. Just I mean, I I don't
Speaker 1: think I have no one who mentioned it, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't find that hard to believe. He's just got like
Speaker 1: stacks of cash. Yeah, and he's very he flaunts all
Speaker 1: of it. You know, that's what a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys do. I mean, if I it's weird, we've talked
Speaker 1: about it before. The guy, he is one of those
Speaker 1: guys who's worth insane amounts of money. But most of
Speaker 1: the guys at least I've met in my life were
Speaker 1: worth that type of money are the opposite. They're extremely
Speaker 1: low profile. They don't they don't flaun it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the big examples I could think of, or when I've
Speaker 1: met Steve Forbes, you would think he is a random
Speaker 1: guy walking the street. He does not have an entourage
Speaker 1: or prior to all the stuff that came out, I
Speaker 1: got to board up Harvey Weinstein and came in by himself.
Speaker 1: Was a very normal guy, seemed to be at least
Speaker 1: seemed to me before all you knew what Harvey Weinstein
Speaker 1: has done. But well, I mean, I had this conversation
Speaker 1: with with my wife a while back. I was like,
Speaker 1: look like, if we hit the lottery, like we're staying
Speaker 1: in the same apartment, and first off, we're going to
Speaker 1: claim the winnings through a private trust. Like no, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to talk to anybody about it. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing the normal stuff I do because like
Speaker 1: you get that money, you like, I was raised in
Speaker 1: a normal middle class household. You know, Um I wasn't
Speaker 1: raised that way. Like like having a butler, having someone
Speaker 1: who like does your dry cleaning, carries your bags, like
Speaker 1: it just makes me feel weird, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: that lifestyle, and I wouldn't want it for my daughter either.
Speaker 1: And you know, not the people hit the lottery, but
Speaker 1: I could tell you around where I live, like them
Speaker 1: in uh you know, Nashal County, Long Island, but like
Speaker 1: Sands Point, which is right near me, which is like
Speaker 1: all those like mega mansions of Long Island. I see
Speaker 1: a lot of those people every day on the how
Speaker 1: I r are, and like they do not see them happy.
Speaker 1: They're like out of shape. They're working themselves to that
Speaker 1: they're miserable, and they don't even really get to enjoy
Speaker 1: this massive house that they have or you know, it's
Speaker 1: like when you have all of that, then you have
Speaker 1: to maintain it. And I think that a lot of
Speaker 1: those people there's just this constant fear of like losing
Speaker 1: it all. Yeah, Bernie made off, Well, that's an extreme example. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but like I think I was saying on another podcast
Speaker 1: about how like there's all these hedge fund bros and
Speaker 1: stuff who are all into their like preppers, They're all
Speaker 1: in a survivalism and having their like uh nuclear bunker
Speaker 1: out in the Pacific Northwest or whatever I think really is.
Speaker 1: It's like this fear that like you're just gonna lose
Speaker 1: all of it, Like the whole facade is just gonna
Speaker 1: come crumbling down out from under you. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: when I look at um, I don't know if we've
Speaker 1: ever seen, I mean, google at like Oprah Winfrey's house.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people would aspire to have
Speaker 1: something like that. But when I look at it and
Speaker 1: you have like a you know, full sized movie theater
Speaker 1: in your house, full size gym in your house, full
Speaker 1: sized tennis court, basketball court, and you have no reason
Speaker 1: to go anywhere, it's kind of weird. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty introverted. I spend a lot of time alone,
Speaker 1: but like seeing you when I come in here, going
Speaker 1: to the gym, talking to people that I regularly get
Speaker 1: to see and catch up with, Like it's an important
Speaker 1: part of everyday interaction to have all this in my
Speaker 1: home and just have a staff of people who work
Speaker 1: for me. Would you know they're all probably essentially yes men.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be a weird I don't envy that. Turning
Speaker 1: to Howard Hughes, you know, yeah, like like Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you're surrounded by people are telling
Speaker 1: you how great you are all the time, how awesome
Speaker 1: you are, all your decisions are so smart. I mean
Speaker 1: that I will go to your head, and I mean
Speaker 1: it'll go to anybody's head because there's nobody there to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, dude, you're kind of fucked up right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't want to do that. But even just
Speaker 1: seeing other people every day it's you know, and here
Speaker 1: and what they're up to, it's motivating for me. Uh
Speaker 1: you know if I like, part of of the inspiration
Speaker 1: I get for working out and being able to, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, push myself is seeing other people push themselves.
Speaker 1: If if I did this in my house all the time,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it'd be totally different going going to
Speaker 1: a movie theater. The part of the experiences you get
Speaker 1: to go to dinner with your friends and talk and
Speaker 1: catch up. Having all of this in my house I
Speaker 1: just I couldn't really imagine and having a good ball.
Speaker 1: So I do agree with you. I think if I
Speaker 1: hit the lottery, I would keep a pretty uh low profile,
Speaker 1: but it would be a lot of security. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know who wouldn't be tempted to buy some
Speaker 1: pretty cool ship, not not Mike Tyson style and buy
Speaker 1: like a tiger from my house. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: if I had the disposable money, it'd be pretty tempting
Speaker 1: to buy a really awesome car. You wouldn't have the
Speaker 1: baby giraffe, no, uh never land ranch like Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: There's some you know, there's some little perks sure that
Speaker 1: i'd go for make my life a little bit better,
Speaker 1: a little bit easier. Uh, probably buy a nice vacation
Speaker 1: home somewhere, you know, maybe get the apartment in Paris,
Speaker 1: you know why not like to travel. But um yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine just living that kind of life. Man,
Speaker 1: it'd be too weird for me. And the things I buy,
Speaker 1: like the things I get like excited about buying is
Speaker 1: like like books, like music, stuff Like there's nothing like
Speaker 1: I like buying a Rolls Royce, Like what the funk
Speaker 1: am I going to do with it. You don't even
Speaker 1: really drive that much. I know you do have a
Speaker 1: car a little. We do have a car and we drive,
Speaker 1: you know, once in a while. I mean, not not
Speaker 1: like daily commuting or anything. Though. Yeah, Brooklyn is kind
Speaker 1: of weird like that, man. And I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like living in Manhattan. You know, Brandon's talked about it before.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny how he's like, I own these planes,
Speaker 1: who don't own a car living in the city. I mean,
Speaker 1: I it wasn't my decision. My my wife got the car,
Speaker 1: um if it was up to me, but probably we
Speaker 1: wouldn't even have it. I mean, it's good to have
Speaker 1: to get outside the city and go here to do
Speaker 1: this and that, but you really don't want to drive
Speaker 1: around New York City if you don't have to, you know,
Speaker 1: I would agree, man Um wrapping things up here, actually,
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